| Sebastian 21.07.2018 19:10 |
Comments, corrections, etc., are all welcome. |
| Saint Jiub 21.07.2018 19:45 |
I enjoyed the testimonies at the end of the article. I skimmed the rest of the article, as my understanding of music theory is lacking. "Chromatic progression" did ring a bell from my college days, but I lack knowledge of what that term means, Also, I am not capable of learning the meaning of this term, because I am half brained in that my "right" brain is a shrivelled raisin. |
| mooghead 21.07.2018 21:31 |
Who the fuck is gonna read that? It is a song on a Queen album about the time distortion effect. End. (That is about as clever as I need to be) |
| Sebastian 21.07.2018 22:32 |
mooghead wrote: Who the fuck is gonna read that?A couple of people already did. So there. |
| Saint Jiub 21.07.2018 22:51 |
Sebastian wrote:... but did they read every word?mooghead wrote: Who the fuck is gonna read that?A couple of people already did. So there. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 21.07.2018 22:52 |
Great article. Congratulations. |
| Sebastian 21.07.2018 23:08 |
Haemophilia Love wrote: ... but did they read every word?Probably. It's not that hard. Anyone with an IQ over 50 can do it. So, yeah, I can understand how hard it may seem to some, but still... |
| Wiley 21.07.2018 23:29 |
This is great. Painstakingly detailed and exhaustive, like all of your writings but I must say I skimmed through some of the more detailed analysis. I'll get back to it later to read it in full when I have more time. Great job. Is this part of a bigger piece? I know you had (still have?) a Queen music analysis website. PS: I know he supposedly changed his name legally to Frederick and you're technically correct in calling him that but I find it super annoying. No disrespect intended. |
| Saint Jiub 21.07.2018 23:45 |
So far, at least 3/4 of the documented responders have an IQ of 50 or less. |
| Sebastian 22.07.2018 01:25 |
Wiley wrote: I'll get back to it later to read it in full when I have more time.Thanks. There's no rush. Wiley wrote: I know you had (still have?) a Queen music analysis website.It's not mine. I only contributed a little bit to one of the sections in there, but most of what I wrote there is now outdated. Another one of my tasks for later. Wiley wrote: PS: I know he supposedly changed his name legally to Frederick and you're technically correct in calling him that but I find it super annoying. No disrespect intended.Best cure for that is exposure. Haemophilia Love wrote: So far, at least 3/4 of the documented responders have an IQ of 50 or less.Not really. All they've said is that they haven't read it all, not that they *can't* read it all. They're different concepts. |
| GAP 22.07.2018 01:49 |
A pretty much interestingly-deep space & travel time Queen song analogy. Well-done Sebastian. ’Just fly away, far away’. |
| Saint Jiub 22.07.2018 02:03 |
Sebastian wrote:So ... if I manage to read the whole thing, but don't understand it, is my IQ irrevocably under 50?Wiley wrote: I'll get back to it later to read it in full when I have more time.Thanks. There's no rush.Wiley wrote: I know you had (still have?) a Queen music analysis website.It's not mine. I only contributed a little bit to one of the sections in there, but most of what I wrote there is now outdated. Another one of my tasks for later.Wiley wrote: PS: I know he supposedly changed his name legally to Frederick and you're technically correct in calling him that but I find it super annoying. No disrespect intended.Best cure for that is exposure.Haemophilia Love wrote: So far, at least 3/4 of the documented responders have an IQ of 50 or less.Not really. All they've said is that they haven't read it all, not that they *can't* read it all. They're different concepts. |
| Sebastian 22.07.2018 02:06 |
Not necessarily. That's not how it works. |
| Rami 22.07.2018 08:15 |
Thanks, Sebastian, for this great article! |
| Dim 22.07.2018 09:14 |
It's a very good article with some interesting and informative stuff. Keep the good hard work. |
| n.smile 22.07.2018 17:22 |
Felicitation. Your article isn't on my level besause I never study classical music (you speak about baritone, tenor...). But you give me the envy to study tone and other things you speak about in this article. So thank you very much. When (or if) I will understand it, I will take time to let you know my definitve appreciation. ;-) |
| Barry Durex 22.07.2018 18:11 |
I am writing an article about Sebby. |
| Saint Jiub 22.07.2018 18:40 |
Ok ... so i read the whole article and understood some of it, so perhaps I have an IQ over 50. It was definitely worth the 10 page read despite my lack of understanding of music theory. |
| Sebastian 22.07.2018 20:11 |
The overwhelming majority of it has nothing to do with music theory anyway. |
| Vocal harmony 22.07.2018 20:57 |
Brilliant and informative, as always. |
| Golden Salmon 23.07.2018 11:37 |
Wow, amazing detail. Such rigour is so welcome. Thank you! So, when are you publishing your book? :-P You could pick up a few tracks from every album and it could be one of the best releases ever. |
| Wilki Amieva 23.07.2018 13:51 |
As a musician, I loved it. As a space engineer, I think it misses the point completely. |
| Cyborg 23.07.2018 18:42 |
Thanks for the article. Just one question: on page 7, referring to Freddie's nodules, you wrote "he eventually sought a voice coach for a brief period". Where did you find this info? Or is it just an educated guess? |
| Dr Magus 23.07.2018 19:25 |
Cyborg wrote: Thanks for the article. Just one question: on page 7, referring to Freddie's nodules, you wrote "he eventually sought a voice coach for a brief period". Where did you find this info? Or is it just an educated guess?It's what some voice coach said in an interview a couple of years ago i think. Doesn't mean it's true though. |
| Sebastian 23.07.2018 22:15 |
Cyborg wrote: Or is it just an educated guess?Everything's ' just an educated guess' if you wanna be pedantic enough. Can we be sure Shakespeare existed? Napoleon? Henry VIII? Hitler? Can we be certain Brian wrote and sang that song, or is it just speculation? Can we be positive Roger did that high falsetto, or perhaps someone else did it and gave him the credit? |
| dysan 24.07.2018 08:00 |
This is great. Well done! |
| Chopin1995 24.07.2018 09:38 |
Very insightful article. I especially like the page 6 when you included sheet music of vocal harmonies so I can try it on my piano. I have 2 qustions. 1. What is the 'unique tt0' chord (page 2)? How does it look like? 2. 'For the final mix, the song was slightly sped up and it sounds a semitone higher than it was recorded' How do you know it? Where did you learn that? |
| Sebastian 24.07.2018 12:42 |
A diminished chord whose root is a tritone apart from the tonic. In the key of G Major, that chord would be dbdim; in C Major, it'd be gbdim; in E-Flat Major, it'd be adim, and so on. Speeding songs up or down a semitone was common practice. It probably still is. Queen did it occasionally (Sheer Heart Attack, Another One Bites the Dust). There are quite a few points suggesting that's what happened with ''39' as well, including a quote by Brian (which I vaguely remember but couldn't find so I didn't include it in the AT/WT section). Is it a 100% certainty? Of course not - but then again, can we be certain Brian wrote the song? What if Kerry Ellis did and they decided to give him credit instead? I know there are sources claiming she was born in 1979, but how can we trust them? What if her birth certificate was forged? Can anyone prove that wasn't the case? The point is, I go with the best temporary conclusion based on the available evidence. If one day it turns out there's, say, footage of Roy Baker singing the flying falsetto, and it can be somehow demonstrated not to be forged or staged, then I'll change the article accordingly. Until then, the fact's it sounds like Roger, it's been claimed to be Roger and the timbre's strikingly similar to what Roger did in live versions (though he didn't hit the top note), and that's enough for me to claim it's Roger. Same for the song having been varisped, Frederick having briefly taken lessons from Benvenuto Finelli, the 'Love of My Life' harp having been recorded at Sarm, John playing the 'Misfire' guitar solo, 'Bo Rhap' not having a 180-piece choir, etc. |
| Chopin1995 25.07.2018 09:17 |
Thanks, got it! |
| Bohardy 26.07.2018 07:32 |
Great article Seb, with your trademark exhaustive research and detail. Sorry to nitpick, but I do feel the structure and flow of the article could be improved. It jumps around a bit with little explanation. One other thing: there is no diminished tritone chord, ie, C#dim, anywhere in the song, is there? There's a D#dim (functioning as a secondary dominant), but no C#dim. Or am I going (slightly) mad? One of us is, at least! |
| mooghead 27.07.2018 20:33 |
"A diminished chord whose root is a tritone apart from the tonic" I like turtles. I am not even being pretentious. I really do. I hope my words make me liked amongst the turtle/turtles/dimished turtle world. I rule! |
| Sebastian 27.07.2018 21:17 |
Turtles are nice indeed. Way nicer than you, and way cleverer. |
| Saint Jiub 28.07.2018 04:19 |
Sebastian wrote: Turtles are nice indeed. Way nicer than you, and way cleverer.... but not as nice or as clever as me? Right??? |
| tomchristie22 30.07.2018 06:59 |
Making my way through this now - real nice. Never knew that Brian considered calling it 'Wreck of the '39' - seems possible or even likely that he got the idea from 'Wreck of the John B', which was also part of the skiffle movement as recorded by Lonnie Donegan in 1960. |
| tomchristie22 30.07.2018 07:05 |
mooghead wrote: "A diminished chord whose root is a tritone apart from the tonic" I like turtles. I am not even being pretentious. I really do. I hope my words make me liked amongst the turtle/turtles/dimished turtle world. I rule!Really odd. By the same token, was Brian May pretentious to use that harmonic device? In-depth musical analysis isn't for everyone, but I don't really see what's pretentious about it. I'd much rather see more content like this rather than all the tired old speculative stuff about Freddie's personal life. |
| Sebastian 30.07.2018 13:36 |
Moreover, this is not in-depth at all... and using a term like 'tritone' is as 'pretentious' as knowing the difference between 'turtle' and 'tortoise'... again, you don't need a 50+ IQ or a PhD to get any of that... or to write it! |
| Galileo1564 30.07.2018 18:32 |
Thanks for this article Sebastian. I greatly enjoyed reading it. '39 happens to be one of the songs I listened to a lot in high school. For those who don't want to look at the chord chart, you can just skip over it and get to the chart that details who sung what. That stuff is accessible to anyone. |
| vadenuez 01.08.2018 04:03 |
Fascinating and really insightful! |