| The Real Wizard 16.07.2018 23:28 |
Queen London, England Empire Pool May 13, 1978 Here is a delightful surprise - a second generation copy of the last show of the News Of The World tour. The cassette was obtained in the early 1990s. And as is to be expected when it's a recording that now has five different copies, all of which have little to no transparency on where they came from, and all of which have been clearly watermarked and altered purposely by the tapers, there is a sordid tale about an assembly line of people beginning with someone in Europe who demanded it not to be spread. But with the help of a rogue tape trader way back when and a recent fortuitous encounter at a music store, about 25 years later this version is finally able to come out. As per the previous copies, a few issues remain, as the show still isn't complete, nor does it have the same sound quality throughout. But this tale is a far less complicated one than the previous merge I posted a couple months back: link The guitar solo is missing from this copy, so I've used the one from the previous merge. It is a combination of three different copies of the show, as they were all incomplete, but cut in different places. I did seamless crossfades in and out of it, and the flow of the show isn't interrupted. It is still cut part way through for a tape flip (the Three Blind Mice bit only exists on the worst-sounding of the five copies of the tape), and then the sound greatly improves by the Frere Jacques bit and becomes stereo. The newspaper review of the show is not wrong in pointing out how the venue's sound was very boomy, which this stereo portion certainly clarifies. The last ten tracks still have a bit of distortion, just like the 104 minute mono copy. But here they sound much nicer overall. It is now clear that the first 79 minutes of tape were reduced to mono on purpose, and considering the difference in sound for the last 39 minutes, one naturally wonders if the former portion really is as low generation as purported. There are 15 seconds of tape before Bohemian Rhapsody that needed to be filled in with another copy - undoubtedly yet another watermark. And now on four different versions, there are 10 seconds of The Millionaire Waltz with digital noise (likely from a bad 1990s CDR), which are painstakingly fixed here. It's interesting that this digital issue appears on numerous copies with different amounts of analog tape hiss on each. Some of us may be aware of Mike Millard and his classic tapes of Zeppelin, Stones, and Yes shows. In the 1980s he sent out copies of his tapes to his "trusted" friends, but each copy had different watermarks so that if one was sold to bootleggers or leaked to tape traders (which is obviously inevitable) he would know exactly who betrayed his trust. This Queen show isn't much different. All of these watermarks done by this group of territorial and paranoid superfans to track which degraded copy goes to whom are the fingerprints of a bunch of kids kicking and screaming because they don't want the other kids to play in the sandbox with them. But I guess this kind of behaviour isn't entirely abnormal if you're willing to spend a decade following a band around to 300 concerts all over the world. So there are now five versions of this audience tape, all of which have differing quality and completeness issues. But it's a wonder that all this effort was undertaken in this case, since all of these Royal Family tapes are pretty average sounding. At least with Millard's tapes you were getting quality. The first two songs are still missing, but 90% of what we hear here is certainly an upgrade of what has circulated before, making this worth a listen for sure. I doubt the master tape will ever show up, so this is probably the best we'll get. This is an excellent Queen show, and the last ten tracks certainly are worth the price of admission alone. * AUD > Master > 2nd Gen Cassette > CDR (?) > WAV (GoldWave speed correction) > FLAC level 8 ** AUD > Cassette (x) > WAV (GoldWave speed correction) > FLAC level 8 *** AUD > Cassette (x) > WAV (GoldWave speed correction) > FLAC level 8 **** AUD > Cassette (x) > WAV (GoldWave speed correction) > FLAC level 8 More info here: link 1) Somebody To Love * 2) White Queen * 3) Death On Two Legs * 4) Killer Queen * 5) Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy * 6) I'm In Love With My Car * 7) Get Down Make Love * 8) The Millionaire Waltz * 9) You're My Best Friend * 10) Spread Your Wings * 11) It's Late * 12) Now I'm Here * 13) Love Of My Life * 14) '39 * 15) My Melancholy Blues * 16) White Man * 17) The Prophet's Song * 18) guitar solo [cut] **/***/**** 19) The Prophet's Song (reprise) * 20) Liar [cut] */**** 21) Bohemian Rhapsody * 22) Keep Yourself Alive * 23) Tie Your Mother Down * 24) Sheer Heart Attack [cut] * 25) Jailhouse Rock * 26) We Will Rock You * 27) We Are The Champions * 28) God Save The Queen * link Enjoy, keep it lossless, and don't bootleg this ! |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2018 23:30 |
Can anyone figure out what happens before Liar? It sounds like Mercury asks the crew to make a change to the stage ...? He mentions a backdrop or a prop, and then Gerry Stickells. Even in the improved quality, the reverberation of the hall makes much of what he says barely audible. |
| Chinwonder2 16.07.2018 23:31 |
Awesome! Thanks for your hard work and dedication! :) -Chin |
| Kamenliter 17.07.2018 02:15 |
Thank you!! |
| gbmaster 17.07.2018 05:57 |
Awesome, Sir. Thank you very much :) |
| Kiwi Magic 17.07.2018 07:47 |
Thank you so very much. Really appreciated. |
| Chinwonder2 17.07.2018 08:15 |
I think I hear Freddie mention something along the lines of "extending the stage". That's all I've managed to pick up. -Chin |
| pmatsynot 17.07.2018 09:11 |
Thank you RW for your hard work on this and other shares |
| Sam99 17.07.2018 09:27 |
Thank you Bob for sharing and of course the love and attention you have put into making this share as good as possible. |
| Chopin1995 17.07.2018 10:12 |
Thank you!!!!! P.S. Bigger thank you! |
| The Fairy King 17.07.2018 11:38 |
Great work Wizard! Thanks! |
| cmi 17.07.2018 13:19 |
Thanks a lot for another upgrade! |
| dudeofqueen 17.07.2018 13:35 |
The Real Wizard, re: >All of these watermarks done by this group of territorial and paranoid superfans to track which degraded copy goes to whom are the fingerprints of a bunch of kids kicking and screaming because they don't want the other kids to play in the sandbox with them. But I guess this kind of behaviour isn't entirely abnormal if you're willing to spend a decade following a band around to 300 concerts all over the world. Wonderfully benevolent of you, thank you. But....... Your point above being that, because it's been taped, it should be given away? Why would you begrudge someone that HAS followed a band around and made huge effort / sacrifice to do so, keeping a tape that they shared amongst a close set of friends who have also, very probably, done the same thing? Paranoid? Territorial? Abnormal? You have an AMAZINGLY ridiculous sense of entitlement. |
| The Real Wizard 17.07.2018 14:06 |
dudeofqueen wrote: But....... Your point above being that, because it's been taped, it should be given away? Why would you begrudge someone that HAS followed a band around and made huge effort / sacrifice to do so, keeping a tape that they shared amongst a close set of friends who have also, very probably, done the same thing? Paranoid? Territorial? Abnormal? You have an AMAZINGLY ridiculous sense of entitlementFair enough that you see it that way, but naturally I respectfully disagree. These people went out of their way to watermark a single recording at least five times when they sent it to "friends", decreasing the quality so that their "friends" could have a worse version of a tape. This is a foundation of "trust" for friendships? Clearly they wouldn't even play their masters for their friends. These are the same people who would then go to each other's homes, steal their tapes, and then destroy them because they weren't "good enough" quality. Classic shows will never be heard because of petty and childish behaviour. If you want to side with them over people who want to spread what music is left for others to enjoy, that is, of course, your prerogative. But before you do that - just assume that there is far more to this story than you know. The prestige of having something nobody else has will lead to behaviour most people can't even fathom. Check out the "Freezer's Revenge" thread on TTD if you want to see 500 pages of what it looks like. Obviously we should be grateful to anyone who taped shows, but there wasn't an ounce of generosity in their bones when it came to distributing shows like this one. If someone else didn't want their recordings to get out, then they shouldn't have sent them to anyone to begin with. This section of the forum is called "sharing the music", not "hoarding the music". If you want to sympathize with hoarders, you're welcome to do it - but this isn't the place for it. Thanks for reading the entire description, though. Most people glaze over that stuff. |
| Art Lawyer 17.07.2018 14:57 |
Thank you very much! |
| dudeofqueen 17.07.2018 15:05 |
The Real Wizard, re: >Fair enough that you see it that way, but naturally I respectfully disagree. These people went out of their way to watermark a single recording at least five times when they sent it to "friends", decreasing the quality so that their "friends" could have a worse version of a tape. This is a foundation of "trust" for friendships? Clearly they wouldn't even play their masters for their friends. If that's what they were all doing to each other, the general rule of thumb must have been "what's good for the goose is good for the gander". Whether you like it or not it was acceptable behaviour amongst them. >These are the same people who would then go to each other's homes, steal their tapes, and then destroy them because they weren't "good enough" quality. As above. No issue with it. >Classic shows will never be heard because of petty and childish behaviour. If you want to side with them over people who want to spread what music is left for others to enjoy, that is, of course, your prerogative. But before you do that - just assume that there is far more to this story than you know. But isn't that just petulance on your behalf that you just don't have access to something that once existed that you'd LOVE to have had in your collection? Them against you; you're no more or less benevolent than they were when taping and sharing whatever it was that they decided they would do. I can't imagine that any of them ever believed that the tapes wouldn't be shared more widely given the apparent "state" they WERE shared in. >Obviously we should be grateful to anyone who taped shows, but there wasn't an ounce of generosity in their bones when it came to distributing shows like this one. But sharing is by extension, generous in whatever state. >This section of the forum is called "sharing the music", not "hoarding the music". If you want to sympathize with hoarders, you're welcome to do it - but this isn't the place for it. Thus exempting yourself from criticism because you're sharing? Aping the behaviours of the territorial and childish people you've tried to illustrate. |
| The Real Wizard 17.07.2018 15:13 |
dudeofqueen wrote: >These are the same people who would then go to each other's homes, steal their tapes, and then destroy them because they weren't "good enough" quality. As above. No issue with it.Then there really is no point in continuing this dialogue. If you see destroying tapes and sharing tapes as equivalent "evils", then we're not going to make any progress here. Maybe you should just ask yourself why are you even browsing this section of the forum if you clearly don't care about the preservation of music to begin with. Enjoy the show. |
| dudeofqueen 17.07.2018 15:27 |
The Real Wizard, re: >Then there really is no point in continuing this dialogue. If you see destroying tapes and sharing tapes as equivalent "evils", then we're not going to make any progress here. Queen were disposable to them; the fact that they saw no value - historical or otherwise - in the tapes just goes to show how they possibly valued being at the shows FAR more than a reasonably poor (or otherwise) audience recording and whether anyone would be interested in it 40 years down the line. >Then there really is no point in continuing this dialogue. Choosing to opt out; hope it helped. |
| The Real Wizard 17.07.2018 15:37 |
dudeofqueen wrote: The Real Wizard, re: >Then there really is no point in continuing this dialogue. If you see destroying tapes and sharing tapes as equivalent "evils", then we're not going to make any progress here. Queen were disposable to them; the fact that they saw no value - historical or otherwise - in the tapes just goes to show how they possibly valued being at the shows FAR more than a reasonably poor (or otherwise) audience recording and whether anyone would be interested in it 40 years down the line.If they saw no value in them, then why destroy them before distributing them? Cutting out ten seconds as a watermark is one thing, but distorting them to the point of being inaudible is another. But if you're right, then they probably won't care that the tape came out after all, since they don't matter. So let's just enjoy it for what it is. Cheerio. |
| dudeofqueen 17.07.2018 15:51 |
The Real Wizard, re: >If they saw no value in them, then why destroy them before distributing them? Cutting out ten seconds as a watermark is one thing, but distorting them to the point of being inaudible is another. Their property, their choice. |
| The Real Wizard 17.07.2018 16:07 |
dudeofqueen wrote: The Real Wizard, re: >If they saw no value in them, then why destroy them before distributing them? Cutting out ten seconds as a watermark is one thing, but distorting them to the point of being inaudible is another. Their property, their choice....yet you condone them breaking into other people's houses to destroy their property. Interesting set of morals you have there. |
| dudeofqueen 17.07.2018 16:24 |
The Real Wizard, re: >...yet you condone them breaking into other people's houses to destroy their property. I didn't condone "breaking in" at all. If that's what they choose to do then fine, deal with any consequences that come your way either legal or otherwise. >Interesting set of morals you have there My morals have nothing to do with it. You're setting YOURSELF up as morally superior by sharing a recording and bitching about other people. Interesting to know why you'd bother....... |
| The Real Wizard 17.07.2018 16:39 |
dudeofqueen wrote: I didn't condone "breaking in" at all. No issue with it.These two statements don't coalesce. You're a hypocrite. To you "property" is a disposable entity, and only important when it's convenient for your argument against someone posting an old tape that you yourself suggested the tapers don't even care about. A tangled web you weave. Interesting to know why you'd bother.......Because I've spent 20 years tracking down Queen tapes so that people can enjoy them. where is the gratitude? QZ never fails to amaze me when things are made available FOR FREE that are NEVER going to come out officiallyI guess you've changed your tune. What's your MO? |
| dudeofqueen 17.07.2018 17:00 |
The Real Wizard, re: >I guess you've changed your tune. I have indeed..... |
| vivaqueen 17.07.2018 17:29 |
always a great work MERCI BEAUCOUP |
| onedunpark 17.07.2018 18:05 |
Many thanks Bob and also to those involved in bringing this here. |
| people on streets 17.07.2018 18:13 |
The Real Wizard wrote: But it's a wonder that all this effort was undertaken in this case, since all of these Royal Family tapes are pretty average sounding. At least with Millard's tapes you were getting quality.Indeed. So far it seems the best sounding Queen tapes out there are certainly NOT made by the Royal Family... To me it seems more and more the Royal Family had absolutely no clue how to tape a show... I don't think they used decent equipment. It's all so bad sounding... Crazy. Even for the 70s the "Royal Family tapes" that came out so far are incredibly bad sounding. Think about it: amazing sounding mics like Nakamichi mics were already very available and widely used in the taping community. It was very well possible to have amazing sounding tapes in the 70s. Makes you wonder what kinda equipment the Royal Family was using... To me it seems these kids weren't really tapers. Tapers as in: people recording shows knowing what they are doing and having the right equipment to do so. It seems to me the Royal Family were more a bunch of superfans doing all these shows (and rightfully so, must have been great!) and occasionally record some of it with bad equipment that regular tapers wouldn't even consider using at all. But hey. What do I know? Maybe I'm all wrong and JJ and co. taped everything they saw with good equipment and they have some amazing sounding tapes collecting dust...Time will tell I suppose. As always Bob: Thanks for all the work! |
| Unniendo 17.07.2018 19:19 |
Thanks for this upgrade! |
| QSMJohn 17.07.2018 22:20 |
Thank you! :) |
| Ale_Pisa 17.07.2018 22:33 |
thank you |
| Rami 17.07.2018 22:54 |
Thank you very much indeed for your efforts! |
| Saint Jiub 18.07.2018 00:56 |
I side with the carrot danglers and braggarts that intentionally vandalize their tapes and trade (or share) worse copies in bad faith ... NOT ... LOL |
| Makka 18.07.2018 02:05 |
Thanks for your efforts on this. Nice work and thanks for sharing! |
| pittrek 18.07.2018 09:32 |
Upgrades are always welcome, thanks |
| tassilo 18.07.2018 14:35 |
Thanks a lot for this one. |
| Mrmarioanonym 18.07.2018 15:04 |
thanks. another upgrade is always good news. |
| pittrek 18.07.2018 15:21 |
What's the thing with Liar? Is it a cut? If so, I never heard such a cut before |
| The Real Wizard 18.07.2018 16:06 |
pittrek wrote: What's the thing with Liar? Is it a cut? If so, I never heard such a cut beforeIt's just a short repeating slap back delay. Clearly that's there to obscure a cut made after the fact. It kind of makes me picture low budget 1980s documentaries where they cut from one scene to another. |
| Mrmarioanonym 18.07.2018 16:19 |
so that's probably a "marking". |
| Mrmarioanonym 18.07.2018 16:19 |
so that's probably a "marking". |
| Barry Durex 18.07.2018 16:45 |
I haven't downloaded this, so I have no need to thank anyone. Forgive me for thinking the "facts" behind all of these London '78 shares to be a load of old cock though. |
| Harry_queenrecordings 18.07.2018 20:33 |
Huge thanks Bob ! Will listen to it when I get home from holiday :) |
| The Real Wizard 18.07.2018 21:32 |
Barry Durex wrote: Forgive me for thinking the "facts" behind all of these London '78 shares to be a load of old cock though.This kind of stuff is more common than you may think. Compared to Zeppelin and Floyd collectors/tapers, these Queen tales are actually pretty tame. When you dig deep and collect old tapes for 20 years, you'll come across it all too. |
| Barry Durex 18.07.2018 22:25 |
Just because someone told you it happened, doesn't mean it happened. It's a ludicrous tale. |
| The Real Wizard 18.07.2018 22:35 |
Barry Durex wrote: Just because someone told you it happened, doesn't mean it happened. It's a ludicrous tale.How much experience do you have with collecting music? How many people have you run into at record shows and spoken about the old days of analog tape collecting? How many collecting communities outside of Queen have you engaged with? If you don't want to believe this stuff (and tales far more crazy than it) can be true, then I guess that's your prerogative. But it's all so common. |
| Barry Durex 18.07.2018 22:37 |
Yep, if you say so it must be. |
| The Real Wizard 19.07.2018 07:02 |
Barry Durex wrote: Yep, if you say so it must be.Spoken like a true luddite. |
| BETA215 19.07.2018 08:50 |
The Real Wizard wrote: [...] Thanks for reading the entire description, though. Most people glaze over that stuff.Funny that you say this, I love reading these stories, sometimes even more than listening the tape (when it sounds bad). Keep up the good stuff, thanks!! |
| Barry Durex 19.07.2018 08:54 |
File under fiction. |
| dudeofqueen 19.07.2018 09:53 |
The Real Wizard, re: >How much experience do you have with collecting music? How many people have you run into at record shows and spoken about the old days of analog tape collecting? How many collecting communities outside of Queen have you engaged with? > >If you don't want to believe this stuff (and tales far more crazy than it) can be true, then I guess that's your prerogative. But it's all so common. If that can be an open question then I'll chime in at 35 years across 4 different bands - one of which takes in the full 35 years (NOT Queen). Never ONCE have I heard about anyone breaking in to someone's house to do anything other than steal car keys or money and jewellery; audience tapes are NOT that important to ANYONE. Unless, of course, the inhabitants of Liverpool's criminal community changed it's focus from the high demand of crack and heroin to souvenirs of blokes on spandex and leather. Also not come across it in those other hotbeds of crime the USA, Italy, Holland, Germany, France, Wales, Scotland, Mexico, Brasil, Argentina, Australia and Japan where I've traded widely. Your getting close to Greggy Brooks-style misogyny here old bean. |
| Barry Durex 19.07.2018 10:33 |
^ This. |
| dudeofqueen 19.07.2018 10:57 |
And Barry, I suppose the perpetrators have to aim to hit that, ever so elusive, life-affirming 21000 post count. I wonder if "whoever smelt it, dealt it" comes to play here? |
| The Real Wizard 19.07.2018 15:39 |
So then for future reference, I'll have to run any story by you two guys, no matter how many sources corroborate it, because your limited experience encompasses all possibilities. Thanks for your input. |
| dudeofqueen 19.07.2018 16:48 |
The Real Wizard, re: >So then for future reference, I'll have to run any story by you two guys, no matter how many sources corroborate it, because your limited experience encompasses all possibilities. Limited experience? Don't think so oh tape trading deity that you believe you are. No one said that you have to run anything by anyone, but, do please try as hard as you can not to make your stories (which remain uncorroborated, despite what you say and in the absence of any other evidence than YOU) fact. If you'd be ever-so kind. |
| Nitroboy 20.07.2018 02:49 |
To the naysayers, I hand you this: |
| tilomagnet 20.07.2018 17:40 |
Hey Bob, this is a great post of an important show and I think its the first time Ive ever really listened to this show, as the old version was quite mangled and hard on the ears. Anyway this is still a bit boomy but perfectly enjoyable for bootleg ears! The highlight for me was BoRhap and SHA -> JR sounds really wild. As for the tape stories, its easy in the internet age to ridicule this behaviour but back in the snail mail days when there was real trading going on, such things were very common. Myself, like probably everyone back then, was guilty of holding back some good stuff for "special trades" though I never degraded any tapes on purpose! This was just the way to get the rarer stuff. Of course some guys were going too far and took these things way too seriously but everyone shouldnt forget that many great tapes were sourced when some freak traders went door to door and asked "....did you tape Led Zeppelin/Queen/Floyd whatever back in '77...?" ;-) All this stuff just didnt fall from the sky but often there was a lot of leg work, money and a bit of backstabbing involved! |
| The Real Wizard 23.07.2018 06:08 |
tilomagnet wrote: As for the tape stories, its easy in the internet age to ridicule this behaviour but back in the snail mail days when there was real trading going on, such things were very common. All this stuff just didnt fall from the sky but often there was a lot of leg work, money and a bit of backstabbing involved!Precisely. Glad you enjoyed the recording. Indeed, for trained bootleg ears it's definitely worth a listen. |
| Barry Durex 23.07.2018 19:21 |
tilomagnet wrote: As for the tape stories, its easy in the internet age to ridicule this behaviour but back in the snail mail days when there was real trading going on, such things were very common.Did anyone ever break into your house and mess with your tapes though? |
| paulosham 23.07.2018 20:49 |
Hey Bob, Regarding the spoken part before Liar this is what I can make out. Fred: "The last, the last couple of nights we've been here there's been this ridiculous trough, black trough or whatever. I don't know what you actually think do we come across that we might maul you or take your clothes off or something. We need to extend the stage c'mon do something, somebody do something. Come on Gerry Stickells. C'mon." (Crowd voice girl "What's this? What? Crowd voice guy " he's gettin' a bit of wood put out so he can walk on) "The lovely Chris Lamb everbody, He's very very practical. Well that's much better. See what you make of this" |
| Barry Durex 25.07.2018 20:15 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Precisely what? Is this supposed to be confirmation of your preposterous tale of breaking and entering? Let a bit of air out of that over inflated head of yours before it explodes.tilomagnet wrote: As for the tape stories, its easy in the internet age to ridicule this behaviour but back in the snail mail days when there was real trading going on, such things were very common.Precisely. |
| The Real Wizard 26.07.2018 00:38 |
Barry Durex wrote:Nice ad hominem argument there.tilomagnet wrote: As for the tape stories, its easy in the internet age to ridicule this behaviour but back in the snail mail days when there was real trading going on, such things were very common.Did anyone ever break into your house and mess with your tapes though? |
| The Real Wizard 26.07.2018 00:38 |
paulosham wrote: Hey Bob, Regarding the spoken part before Liar this is what I can make out. Fred: "The last, the last couple of nights we've been here there's been this ridiculous trough, black trough or whatever. I don't know what you actually think do we come across that we might maul you or take your clothes off or something. We need to extend the stage c'mon do something, somebody do something. Come on Gerry Stickells. C'mon." (Crowd voice girl "What's this? What? Crowd voice guy " he's gettin' a bit of wood put out so he can walk on) "The lovely Chris Lamb everbody, He's very very practical. Well that's much better. See what you make of this"Thanks for that. Although it still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. |
| Barry Durex 26.07.2018 05:14 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Perhaps just answer the question I put to YOU at the end of the last page, rather than opting to answer one I put to somebody else?Barry Durex wrote:Nice ad hominem argument there.tilomagnet wrote: As for the tape stories, its easy in the internet age to ridicule this behaviour but back in the snail mail days when there was real trading going on, such things were very common.Did anyone ever break into your house and mess with your tapes though? |
| Thistle 26.07.2018 14:41 |
Have heard similar stories tbh. Have even heard of police raids, and the police actually keeping the items for themselves (rather than for evidence). Thanks again for the share! |
| dudeofqueen 26.07.2018 18:44 |
Thistleboy1980, I think that was a story relating to bootleggersthat were SELLING discs and making an income. In over 30 years of trading this is the first time I've heard of anything as ridiculous as people risking arrest and imprisonment for breaking and entering over concert audience recordings. Will NEVER hear the like again. Unless, of course, this Wizard character comes up with something equally as wallyish. |
| Thistle 26.07.2018 21:09 |
True, but the agenda was just to get stuff they wanted for themselves, and using their position to do it. Not intended as "corroboratory" but just an add-on to some of the mad things you hear as a collector. In this instance, it definitely happened. But that only addresses part of my post - you've skipped over the bit where I say I've heard stories similar to what Wizard suggests, i.e breaking and entering (all for stuff that was rare at the time but freely available now). I've also heard stories of "friends" visiting and just lifting what they want from houses. Of course, there's no proof to back what I've heard up (on some of it, anyway) - but because it all sounds far-fetched doesn't mean it didn't happen. I guess that's an argument that works both ways. |
| Barry Durex 26.07.2018 23:27 |
This is still the best evidence of the breaking and entering into the home of a Queen collector link |
| Thistle 27.07.2018 00:17 |
Just like there's nothing to support it didn't happen. Just because some twat says it didn't happen, doesn't mean that twat's right. I don't give a shit either way, it doesn't affect me - it's just some of the bizarre things you hear whilst trading and it was an interesting tale, regardless of how tall it may seem. Just because you've never heard of something is not to say that you never will. |
| Saint Jiub 27.07.2018 01:19 |
This link indicates that The Real Wizard's claims are partially true: link Thus, I think that apologies to The Real Wizard are needed to atone for these treasonous and baseless attacks. |
| Viper 29.07.2018 10:21 |
thx! |
| dudeofqueen 01.08.2018 11:40 |
Saint Jiub, re: >treasonous and baseless attacks. You sound like Chancellor Valorum......... Does the following return indicate something further: Sorry, the website link cannot be found. ........like it's all a figment of an overactive imagination, perhaps? |
| Nitroboy 01.08.2018 12:19 |
To the people calling the stories bullshit.... There are worse things going on right now in the Guns N' Roses community. |
| dudeofqueen 01.08.2018 14:14 |
Nitroboy, Such as........? |
| Barry Durex 01.08.2018 16:39 |
I'd like to know too, any proof of breaking and entry incidents, court cases or even newspaper articles would be greatly appreciated. |
| The Real Wizard 01.08.2018 17:12 |
If you really want to learn, you can go to a GnR forum, message people, and find out for yourself. But even then you'll probably be doubting them too, the same way you've doubted everything here. Tape collecting goes back to the 1970s, and there a million great stories and a million ugly stories. Nobody is going to type them all out for you. You just have to trust that the world is more complex than your limited life experience seems to allow for. Personally - I don't care what either of you think, and nobody else should, either. Your opinion doesn't change any of this. So you can stop trolling now, both of you. |
| Nitroboy 01.08.2018 19:02 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Nitroboy, Such as........?2 trolls (who call themselves fans), abusing a fake company account to strike YouTube channels sharing bootlegs. Even common ones. Assuming to be acting on behalf of the band and band's management. Harrassing users and even people close to the band members: link Making fake accounts of people on Facebook, sharing private information of said people. Threatening with physical violence against people posting bootlegs on YouTube etc. The list goes on. You can come over to a GnR forum and see it for yourself. It's been going on for a couple of months now, and the band's management is only just getting involved. |
| Barry Durex 01.08.2018 21:09 |
The Real Wizard wrote: If you really want to learn, you can go to a GnR forum, message people, and find out for yourself. But even then you'll probably be doubting them too, the same way you've doubted everything here. Tape collecting goes back to the 1970s, and there a million great stories and a million ugly stories. Nobody is going to type them all out for you. You just have to trust that the world is more complex than your limited life experience seems to allow for. Personally - I don't care what either of you think, and nobody else should, either. Your opinion doesn't change any of this. So you can stop trolling now, both of you.Spoken like a true narcissist. All this is completely unrelated to the breaking and entering fairy tale I find so amusing. I also find it quite hilarious that you call me a troll at every opportunity, and yet use information I have provided to enhance your website. You are a hypocrite of the highest order, with delusions of grandeur. It might interest you to know that some others are of the same opinion, just in case you weren't aware. |
| Saint Jiub 02.08.2018 04:14 |
Barry Durex wrote:Narcissist????The Real Wizard wrote: If you really want to learn, you can go to a GnR forum, message people, and find out for yourself. But even then you'll probably be doubting them too, the same way you've doubted everything here. Tape collecting goes back to the 1970s, and there a million great stories and a million ugly stories. Nobody is going to type them all out for you. You just have to trust that the world is more complex than your limited life experience seems to allow for. Personally - I don't care what either of you think, and nobody else should, either. Your opinion doesn't change any of this. So you can stop trolling now, both of you.Spoken like a true narcissist. All this is completely unrelated to the breaking and entering fairy tale I find so amusing. I also find it quite hilarious that you call me a troll at every opportunity, and yet use information I have provided to enhance your website. You are a hypocrite of the highest order, with delusions of grandeur. It might interest you to know that some others are of the same opinion, just in case you weren't aware. Well, maybe you are right ... in my humble opinion. |
| Saint Jiub 02.08.2018 04:17 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Saint Jiub, re: >treasonous and baseless attacks. You sound like Chancellor Valorum......... Does the following return indicate something further: Sorry, the website link cannot be found. ........like it's all a figment of an overactive imagination, perhaps?I have no idea what you are talking about ... You must have had a browser error ... :) |
| aristide1 02.08.2018 13:54 |
The story is plausible as a punk subculture expression: sneaking recording gear, breaking houses, destroying tapes, degrading audio. Queen and music in general are an accidental presence in this defying authority (and common sense) story about extreme individualism. Being a narcissist is not a bad thing if 99% of people recognize your qualities. |
| The Real Wizard 02.08.2018 19:19 |
Barry Durex wrote: Spoken like a true narcissist.Ad hominem attack. Nicely done. This is now your last resort, all because you're choosing to think a story told by multiple sources is a fairy tale. This is your problem, and you're choosing to make it everyone else's problem by persisting on to page 4 now. Is this how you treat every story that isn't a direct reflection of your life experience? Man walking on the moon? Teenagers who eat Tide pods? I guess they didn't happen since you just can't get out of your own head and what you think the world should be. Maybe it's YOU who's the narcissist. After all, it's you who thinks your interpretation of this story matters so much. And it's classic narcissism to project one's own behaviour onto others. Someone not caring about what you think doesn't make them a narcissist. It just means they don't care about what YOU think, not what everyone thinks. I also find it quite hilarious that you call me a troll at every opportunity, and yet use information I have provided to enhance your website.A broken clock is right twice a day, I guess. Thanks for your contributions - they're always appreciated. Maybe you should focus more on being helpful instead of trolling people, and you'll find your experience at places like this to be a whole lot more enjoyable. |
| Barry Durex 02.08.2018 20:37 |
Is bullshit becoming your speciality? |
| Barry Durex 02.08.2018 20:40 |
You really do speak a lot of tiresome old drivel and I really don't care what YOU think either. |
| Barry Durex 02.08.2018 20:47 |
I broke up the paragraphs so it's easier for you to reply. |
| Saint Jiub 02.08.2018 22:09 |
aristide1 wrote: aristide1 - Being a narcissist is not a bad thing if 99% of people recognize your qualities.Does Real Wizard meet your subjective 99% criteria? A better, more scientific tool might be a clinical diagnosis for "narcissistic personality disorder" as detailed b y the Mayo Clinic: "Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special treatment React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior" ... link |
| The Real Wizard 02.08.2018 22:56 |
This forum is a disgrace. |
| Thistle 02.08.2018 22:56 |
Saint Jiub wrote: React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior"Hmmmm. That explains the problem of some of the twats I've encountered in life. |
| RStanton 03.08.2018 10:42 |
It is blatantly obvious that "Barry Durex" is in fact "The Kurgan" and this thread is just a continuation of the long running dispute between the two of them. |
| dudeofqueen 03.08.2018 12:14 |
The Real Wizard, re: »This forum is a disgrace All the Forum sections have been in the main but certainly not just becasue you're being called out. Just stick to running a great website and give up on the fan fiction. |
| The Real Wizard 03.08.2018 18:33 |
dudeofqueen wrote: give up on the fan fiction.Because you were there and you know something we all don't? Why don't you fill us in with "the truth" instead of being a trolling contrarian? |
| people on streets 03.08.2018 23:44 |
Nitroboy wrote: To the naysayers, I hand you this:Seen this one before. It's a great documentary about videotaping in the 80s and 90s. |
| Another Roger (re) 31.08.2018 20:47 |
Dudeofqueen: Have you ever heard of earning your respect? The Real Wizard has built his status and good reputation over many years contributing in a positive way. Your only contribution (as far as I have seen) is rude responses and negative posts towards certain members on this board. You are of course allowed to disagree in matters, but I have yet to see you respond in a polite and respectful way when you discuss with him. How difficult can it be? Then again, maybe your intent is not a good discussion? |
| I Like Trains 27.10.2018 23:49 |
The thing about all the shit going behind the scence concerning sharing/trading "new" recordings of concerts is: A "normal person doesn't even have a clue about what's going on back there. The only way to find out such things is a.) you're the person involved with the owner of the recording b.) you have to literally fuck(!) either the owner of the recording or the person being involved with the trade (nope, being friends with them is not enough, believe me) so all the other people never really get to know what's going on in the back until the recording get published which is quite sad and it shows that people generally tend to mistrust each other rather than be open about things (at least to their friends) |