A couple of questions.
QI and QII
When John came along, QI was basically ( from what I understand) a finished product song wise and a chunk of the ideas for QII had already been thought of and were just about to be worked on. For QI it was just a case of waiting for a bass player John. and a deal as a "singed band" to record the songs for the coming album.
With Queen I how much of it had been rehearsed by Mike Grose, Barry Mitchell and Doug Ewood Bogie (lasted one show) and what credit/changes did John bring to the songs that the other three bass players had played to. Did he follow a blue print to his predecessors bass parts or did he add his own flair/have his own input to how his bass parts should sound on the QI album that was not heard from Mike, Barry or Doug.
Are there any takes or any recordings, studio or live in the vaults that have Mike, Barry or Doug on bass? any songs that extend/cross over to QII songs or other songs that they were apart of? What could that mean to them financial/royalty wise if a live concert were to ever be released by Queen with the three previous bass players on it or more to the point. Would Brian, John or Roger allow it?
QII
From what I understand, QI was the most 'creative from a combined sense' Queen was as a
group until The Miracle, how much of that extended to QII or was QII basically the true beginning of Queen working independently as a song writing band in studio? If there was still a combined effort writing songs, was there any creative involvement from John in studio during the creation of QII and did he bring any ideas. to Queen song wise during QII session? any song ideas that were either written or actually recorded in part or in full that has yet to see the light of day credited to JD?
And for both albums QI and QII and lets include SHA. Was there much in the way of recordings of other songs completed or half completed that has yet to see the light of day? For example... Did Son and Daughter ever have a studio recording with the intended guitar solo or is the live at the beep the closest thing we have to a full 'studio' recording
It's been well documented that Queen 1 was well out of date by the time they released it but a necessary release to get material out rather than hang around for a year and debut with Queen 2 material. Studio stuff with the original bassist? I doubt it as they only seemed to hang around for a few gigs. I'm sure rehearsal tapes might be lurking somewhere. The irony is that when John joined they basically stopped gigging.
One thing I did read from Brian.. either qI or QII "by the time the album came out it felt like we had moved on from that period and the album felt real old..." Sure that was QII with the oil crisis.....
Love the theorizing...... here is one Dysan..... if John had joined a year earlier and they had got these two albums out to the shelves..... would we have one or two more albums from them or at least one more album based on Freddies fantasy world... an album a year from QI to Jazz... could have been the Game had they completed it by 1979...
Live at the beeb was a awesome album that gave me ammunition to show my mates how heavy they were.... Great cover too. Basically the latest releases of Queen Bbc session albums
fras444 wrote:
what credit/changes did John bring to the songs that the other three bass players had played to.
Credit: None. Changes: Only they would know.
fras444 wrote:
Are there any takes or any recordings, studio or live in the vaults that have Mike, Barry or Doug on bass?
Studio: No. Barry cleared up that there were no plans to record when he was in the band, they were still quite raw. The very first recording sessions they did were in December 1971 and, by then, John'd long joined them (well, 'long' compared to what the others had lasted).
Live: Possibly, yes.
fras444 wrote:
any songs that extend/cross over to QII songs or other songs that they were apart of?
Possibly. Michael Grose said Brian had come up with (at least part of) 'Father to Son' as early as 1970. There's also, of course, 'See What a Fool I've Been' (technically not 'Queen II' but still closely associated with that album).
fras444 wrote:
What could that mean to them financial/royalty wise if a live concert were to ever be released by Queen with the three previous bass players on it
It'd mean a release without any of their hits... it's highly unlikely they'd do that. They'd re-re-re-re-re-re-issue Wembley first.
No one knows.
Ask John. He'd probably be the most objective about it all. If you can't find him, then who else would know, but the original bassists. (*if still living
As for another album there is no way at all to quantify something that never happened as it has no simple direct corollary.
I.e. Gosh we'd be able to get QUEEN I on the shelves earlier if John had a macguffin.
I bet there is loads of unfinished songs from every Queen studio album, and i am sure May & Taylor will scrape the bottom of the barrel when they cannot walk and unearth these songs.