adamatt 13.06.2018 15:41 |
Once heard an audio of Roger screaming 'I'm happy at home are not fucking rock and roll lyrics" while, it seems, producing the You're My Best Friend track. Any ideas where this audio can be found? Thank you. |
Golden Salmon 13.06.2018 16:10 |
"From Rags To Rhapsody" documentary: That line, "happy at home"... I can remember Roger going: "I don't want that fucking line on here! We're not singing 'happy at home', for fuck's sake! It's rock and roll! What is this? The Women's Institute?" |
people on streets 13.06.2018 17:24 |
adamatt wrote: Once heard an audio of Roger screaming 'I'm happy at home are not fucking rock and roll lyrics" while, it seems, producing the You're My Best Friend track. Any ideas where this audio can be found? Thank you.And he's damn right. I never liked it either. But that's the beauty of Queen. Four individual song writers that all had their say in how a song came about. I suppose Queen woud've been far less interesting if they haven't been as democratic as they were. |
Star* 13.06.2018 18:16 |
What does Roger know now eh! "Your my best friend" is a classic Queen song written by the underrated John Deacon, a true hero in the band. Mr Taylor has spewed out some crap in his time too, mostly solo work i recall. |
The Real Wizard 13.06.2018 19:03 |
people on streets wrote: But that's the beauty of Queen. Four individual song writers that all had their say in how a song came about. I suppose Queen woud've been far less interesting if they haven't been as democratic as they were.Bingo. Mercury hated Gimme The Prize May hated Don't Stop Me Now May, Deacon, and Taylor hated most of Hot Space And who knows what else. They all had songs they didn't like. That's what happens when there are four strong personalities in the band and no pushovers. The result is a ton of compromise. No doubt theirs was a complex dynamic throughout the years. |
mike hunt 13.06.2018 23:54 |
Funny I think Best Friend has simple and beautiful lryics, While I'm In Love With My Car is much weaker....Best Friend is a classic, especially In the US. Just four wheeled friends now.....brilliant! |
Jimmy Dean 14.06.2018 02:50 |
pretty sure roger wouldn't say he hates it now - lots of his latest stuff wasn't "rock n roll"...in fact happy at home is quite the statement compared to plenty of lines from fun on earth. 1975 Roger would kick the shit our of 2013 Roger. I just wanna be with you I just wanna have you here Be with you Where you are in the world (it's a sunny day) It's a sunny day (it's a beautiful, wonderful day) yeah Oh yeah Be my partner Be my pal Be my gal In comes the sun And light will shine In every place Because you smile |
Jimmy Dean 14.06.2018 02:57 |
The Real Wizard wrote:great point... also would help explain how some of the spottier album's got their tracks chosen. particularly on Jazz and Hot Space. or even Coming Soon on The Game.people on streets wrote: But that's the beauty of Queen. Four individual song writers that all had their say in how a song came about. I suppose Queen woud've been far less interesting if they haven't been as democratic as they were.Bingo. Mercury hated Gimme The Prize May hated Don't Stop Me Now May, Deacon, and Taylor hated most of Hot Space And who knows what else. They all had songs they didn't like. That's what happens when there are four strong personalities in the band and no pushovers. The result is a ton of compromise. No doubt theirs was a complex dynamic throughout the years. |
fras444 14.06.2018 03:23 |
I remember reading that John also hated Gimmy the prize |
mike hunt 14.06.2018 04:30 |
I like Gimme The Prize |
runner_70 14.06.2018 05:12 |
Deacon hated Hot SPace? Guess not as he was a fan of the black/funky stuff. Brian and ROger did hate it I guess |
The Real Wizard 14.06.2018 06:19 |
runner_70 wrote: Deacon hated Hot SPace? Guess not as he was a fan of the black/funky stuff.He was. He just didn't like Queen's version of it. |
Golden Salmon 14.06.2018 07:32 |
Roger also really despised "Delilah", right? He probably didn't have any input in it. And what about the guys criticizing their own songs? I read something about Roger disliking "A Human Body". Brian probably never said anything like this though, since he's mentioned that all his songs are like his children. |
Dr Magus 14.06.2018 09:48 |
Freddie also hated The Call. Whe Brian first played the demo Freddie's response was "I'm glad I won't be around when you're playing THIS fucking shit." |
Chopin1995 14.06.2018 10:37 |
runner_70 wrote: Deacon hated Hot SPace? Guess not as he was a fan of the black/funky stuff. Brian and ROger did hate it I guessHere you go (listen from 8:11): link |
Sebastian 14.06.2018 12:05 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Mercury hated Gimme The Prize May hated Don't Stop Me Now May, Deacon, and Taylor hated most of Hot Space And who knows what else.Mercury, Deacon and Taylor hated 'I Go Crazy', though that may have been because of its context rather than its contents. Taylor hated 'Delilah', as others have mentioned. Interestingly enough, he seemed to like 'Body Language' - he just thought that wasn't really Queen (and it wasn't). May has claimed to quite like 'Don't Stop Me Now', but not to be fond of what it represented in the sense of Mercury's separatism and hedonistic lifestyle at the time. Perhaps he was just being polite and he does/did hate it n_n I'd happily take your word over mine for this particular one. Lennon hated 'Run for Your Life' and I think it was quite a nice song. Of course, the lyrics are really non-politically-correct at all, but they work for the character - they're, alas, realistic. And the music's simple but effective. runner_70 wrote: Deacon hated Hot SPace? Guess not as he was a fan of the black/funky stuff.I love Queen, but that doesn't mean I automatically love everything they did or everything a tribute act does. Same for Beatles, Bee Gees, One Direction, Lang Lang, Spice Girls, Pink Floyd, Kurt Moll, Pentatonix, Home Free, Daniel Barenboim or any other act I'm fond of. As a matter of fact, my love for opera (for instance) makes me more nitpicky about it, and makes me cringe when somebody doesn't do it justice (including myself, of course - especially myself). Deacy's case could've been similar: as a fan of those styles, he may have felt 'Hot Space' was a lacklustre half-arsed attempt at it, and hated it even more for it than if it'd been a metal album or a prog-rock album. |
The Real Wizard 14.06.2018 17:52 |
Sebastian wrote: May has claimed to quite like 'Don't Stop Me Now', but not to be fond of what it represented in the sense of Mercury's separatism and hedonistic lifestyle at the time. Perhaps he was just being polite and he does/did hate it n_n I'd happily take your word over mine for this particular one.In the last decade or so, it has become one of their most popular songs, so maybe Brian decided to tone it down and let people embrace the surface positivity of it. But at the time it came out, he saw the implications of what it represented. I recall numerous interviews where he's pretty hesitant about it. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 14.06.2018 23:14 |
I think, talking with Reinhold Mack about that, John liked the album, but not liked the reception....like a failed goal. Mack told me John and Freddie were the most members who wanted to do an album like that....perhaps at the end, John didn't like the result. Is only a theory, in my humble opinion. And everybody knows Mack said to Freddie....if you finish the album before I have my next son, you and John will be the godfathers...finally they did the album before, and Freddie and John were the godfathers of John Frederick Mack. And we can't forget there are demos with more guitars and less electronic, funk elements. Taylor Hawkings told me it was the album Freddie wanted. I think is the album John and Freddie wanted, but it was a failure in the charts, and they didn't like it at the end. As I said before, is only my theory. Peter Freestone told me something similar about Mr. Bad Guy. Freddie liked until he knew it was a failure in charts. About Don't Stop Me Now Brian hated what represents the song. About the music, I don't know. Another thing, last week a friend gave me an interview he did with Malcolm Young (R.I.P.), and Malcolm said Brian always said to them Queen would be a rock band always, being like in the 70's, he didn't like it the change in the 80's into more pop and disco music. |
Sebastian 15.06.2018 01:13 |
When it comes to what John liked, John's a far more reliable source than you or me or Mack or anybody else. If John said John didn't like it, John didn't like it. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 15.06.2018 01:45 |
link Here's the quote when John said he didn't like Hot Space? Only want the info Sebastian. You must be true. I was only saying theories...nothing more, nothing less. You know, there is a lot of things....I mean, reading the book by Brian May, 3d, he said again Hot Space was an influence in Thriller...and I never found a quote by Michael Jackson said Hot Space was an influence. |
Sebastian 15.06.2018 03:06 |
I've given you the links before, there's no need to go through it all over again. But, anyway, the best one is the one where you can actually *hear* him saying so: link |
Apocalipsis_Darko 15.06.2018 04:03 |
Thanks Sebastian. |
Holly2003 15.06.2018 07:30 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: I think, talking with Reinhold Mack about that, John liked the album, but not liked the reception....like a failed goal. Mack told me John and Freddie were the most members who wanted to do an album like that....perhaps at the end, John didn't like the result. Is only a theory, in my humble opinion. And everybody knows Mack said to Freddie....if you finish the album before I have my next son, you and John will be the godfathers...finally they did the album before, and Freddie and John were the godfathers of John Frederick Mack. And we can't forget there are demos with more guitars and less electronic, funk elements. Taylor Hawkings told me it was the album Freddie wanted. I think is the album John and Freddie wanted, but it was a failure in the charts, and they didn't like it at the end. As I said before, is only my theory. Peter Freestone told me something similar about Mr. Bad Guy. Freddie liked until he knew it was a failure in charts. About Don't Stop Me Now Brian hated what represents the song. About the music, I don't know. Another thing, last week a friend gave me an interview he did with Malcolm Young (R.I.P.), and Malcolm said Brian always said to them Queen would be a rock band always, being like in the 70's, he didn't like it the change in the 80's into more pop and disco music.Good info. Yes it's quite possible John liked Hot Space up until the moment it was released. Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. |
The Real Wizard 15.06.2018 13:14 |
Holly2003 wrote: Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.Man, that's a great quote. |
Sebastian 15.06.2018 13:23 |
Holly2003 wrote: Yes it's quite possible John liked Hot Space up until the moment it was released.Unlikely: - Staying Power: He's barely featured. - Dancer: He's not featured. - Back Chat: He had to compromise (i.e. it wasn't as he wanted it). - Body Language: He's not featured. - Action This Day: Probably not featured, or barely so. - Put Out the Fire: Subdued role. - Life Is Real: Nothing special when it comes to what he did there. - Calling All Girls: Ditto. - Las Palabras de Amor: Subdued role. - Cool Cat: Probably the only song which was as he wanted it to be. - Under Pressure: One of his favourite moments (as well as Roger's, but that doesn't change the fact both John and Roger hated the album). Now, let us see 'The Game': - Play the Game: Interesting role, supporting but gorgeous bass-line. - Dragon Attack: Key role, including a solo. - Another One Bites the Dust: Key role, and massive hit which made him (and them) even wealthier. - Need Your Loving Tonight: Supporting role, but way more interesting than what he did on all of 'Hot Space'. - Crazy Little Tihing Called Love: Key role, big hit, he seemed to enjoy the song a lot. - Rock It: Supporting role but not as subdued as that on most of 'Hot Space'. - Sail Away Sweet Sister: Key role, even taking the lead at some points. - Coming Soon: Supporting role but not as subdued as that on most of 'Hot Space'. - Save Me: Supporting role but not as subdued as that on most of 'Hot Space'. Frederick himself admitted he'd forced 'the other three' to do it, so it wasn't a matter of Jeddie vs Maylor, it was Frederick vs Brijohnger. |
Holly2003 15.06.2018 14:55 |
Most of this is subjective and some of it irrelevant. If he played bass as normal on a song, how is that a "subdued role"? How is his bass playing on Life is Real "nothing special" and even if that's true and not just your subjective opinion, how does it prove John didn't like Hot Space? How does the success of AOBTD affect whether or not John liked Hot Space? Maybe if he played less of a role on HS than on some previous albums, that was simply due to the strained atmosphere in Munich. It doesn't necessarily mean he disliked the album before it was released. Roger and Brian are on record now as disliking Hot Space. yet, when it was released they both defended it. Only after that initial wave of publicity was over did they disown the album. If it was successful like The Game, I'm sure they would all express their love for it, including John. |
mike hunt 15.06.2018 16:18 |
Good points Holly.....I'm not sure how a guy, in Freddie who everyone say's wasn't the leader of the band, but was only equal to the other 3 could force them into writing an album they didn't want to record....If John and Roger were freds equal than why allow it to happen? They all had their own songs, and usually the writer of a particular song has the final say of the final product. I think it's kind of messed up that after Freddie died the blame of the album's failure was put on Mercury and only Mercury....Roger wrote the first crap dance song with Fun It.....of course we know Dust came out before Hot Space. Going in a dance direction wasn't the only problem with that album, the more traditional Queen songs also didn't do them Justice. Put out The Fire? Life Is Real? Calling all Girls? I think Back Chat and Cool Cat were better than the Queen sounding songs. |
Holly2003 15.06.2018 16:31 |
I agree about Back Chat. It's not my favourite style of music but it's a perfect song for that genre, punchy, catchy, sung well by Fred, and with one of Brian's better solos. Sorry to say I've never liked Cool Cat, but can appreciate again how well executed it is. Fred's falsetto is amazing. But for me there's not enough going on in the song to make it interesting. Roger's songs on the album were poor. Body Language is dross -- easily the worst song Fred has ever written. The lyrics to Put Out the Fire are of noble intent, but the song is just dull. Brian's solo, apparently recorded while he was drunk, sounds just like it, but it's still the best part of the song. It always disappoints me when someone of Brian's skills writes such a dull and simplistic riff. |
Star* 15.06.2018 16:57 |
Mike: Back Chat, Cool Cat & Las Palabras De Amour were brilliant Queen songs, nothing wrong with them in my opinion, and they gave Queen a fresh new direction. Why people slate Hot Space is a mystery because As Freddie quoted they were only trying a few new sounds. |
Vocal harmony 15.06.2018 17:35 |
happystar wrote: . . . . . because As Freddie quoted they were only trying a few new sounds.Which broadly speaking failed, even most of the band didn't like it |
Star* 15.06.2018 18:05 |
The songs are still loved to this day, and as i recall a lot of Rogers solo stuff has failed too ! |
Thistle 15.06.2018 18:57 |
Bowie and Jagger's version of Dancing In The Street is loved to this day by some - doesn't mean it's not shite. Justin Beiber is loved by many - doesn't mean he's not shite. We like Hot Space - doesn't mean everyone else does, or that it's not shite. Music is subjective - you need to understand and accept. |
mike hunt 15.06.2018 19:04 |
That's the point happystarr is trying too make.......Just because an album is a failure and most fans hate it doesn't mean someone who enjoys an album like Hot Space is wrong....VH keeps saying the album was a failure everytime happstarr say's he enjoys it. I agree with happystarr in that it doesn't matter if it was a failure as long as you enjoy it. Me personally, a few songs I like....a few middle of the road songs and some terrible ones. I heard worse albums by big bands. Metallica lu lu and St. Anger for example and many others. |
Thistle 15.06.2018 19:39 |
I agree with a lot of what Happystar says - he just goes about it the wrong way. He states his opinion as fact. We three like Hot Space, but that doesn't make it "loved to this day" lol. I have noted that VH likes to niggle (he's never done me a bad turn though, tbf) - but so does HS. They both need to stop haranguing each other. That said, HS has had a lot of bile deleted, whilst the majority of responses have been respectful in their disagreement. He needs to accept that rather than bang on that his opinion is disrespected. |
mike hunt 15.06.2018 20:12 |
I wouldn't say I like the album, but it's not horrible in my opinion. I do think it's they're worst album. At least The Works, Magic and The Miracle have songs I always go back to....Hot Space doesn't have anything like Princes and who wants to live Forever, Hammer To Fall, Hard Life. Except for Under Pressure. It's all subjective of course. |
Thistle 15.06.2018 20:24 |
There is no Queen album I dislike (I used to hate Flash, but recently "re-discovered" it) and don't get the bad rap that Magic and The Miracle get. But the one that puzzles me most is Hot Space - I think it's got lots of nice tracks lol. I go back to every album sooner or later! |
Sebastian 15.06.2018 20:32 |
Holly2003 wrote: It doesn't necessarily mean he disliked the album before it was released.It doesn't necessarily mean he liked it, either. The point is, if his role suffered from the new approach, if things didn't go as he wanted them to from a musical perspective, if the one song he got full credit for wasn't true to his original vision... then why would he like it? Holly2003 wrote: Roger and Brian are on record now as disliking Hot Space. yet, when it was released they both defended it. Only after that initial wave of publicity was over did they disown the album.Roger, yes. But Brian's never disowned it per se. He's even gone as far as saying that without it there'd be no 'Thriller', which is ridiculous and exaggerated even for Queen. Holly2003 wrote: If it was successful like The Game, I'm sure they would all express their love for it, including John.Not necessarily. 'Dust' was a success and Roger still didn't like it. He liked the money he earned thanks to it, but not the song. In a parallel universe where 'Hot Space' had been a 'Thriller', that wouldn't necessarily stop John from disliking it. |
Saint Jiub 15.06.2018 20:36 |
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Saint Jiub 15.06.2018 20:38 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: I agree with a lot of what Happystar says - he just goes about it the wrong way. He states his opinion as fact. We three like Hot Space, but that doesn't make it "loved to this day" lol.BINGO! |
mike hunt 15.06.2018 20:56 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: There is no Queen album I dislike (I used to hate Flash, but recently "re-discovered" it) and don't get the bad rap that Magic and The Miracle get. But the one that puzzles me most is Hot Space - I think it's got lots of nice tracks lol. I go back to every album sooner or later!Me too, I go through my Hot Space stages as well.... |
Vocal harmony 16.06.2018 11:39 |
mike hunt wrote: That's the point happystarr is trying too make.......Just because an album is a failure and most fans hate it doesn't mean someone who enjoys an album like Hot Space is wrong....VH keeps saying the album was a failure everytime happstarr say's he enjoys it. I agree with happystarr in that it doesn't matter if it was a failure as long as you enjoy it. Me personally, a few songs I like....a few middle of the road songs and some terrible ones. I heard worse albums by big bands. Metallica lu lu and St. Anger for example and many others.A certain person has stated in the past that it's a better album than Inuendo, which they claim was hurried and just not as good. We all have our favourite albums and tracks. I'm not one of those people who claims everything was better than anyone else because it had the name Queen on it. I actually like Hot Space because some of it went in different directions, I like it more than The Works and A Kind Of Magic although both those albums had some great songs on them. Despite liking Hot Space I'm very aware that it didn't sell as well as they or the record company thought it would, and both Milton Kynes and Leeds were not sold out either was the American tour, they also played less dates at MSG and LA forum. So in many respects, compared to previous releases, the album failed. |
mike hunt 16.06.2018 12:39 |
Can't argue with that post.....It did fail, but it's not all bad. Some good stuff on it. Innuendo I love, I feel the strength of the band Freddie's vocals and The guitar work by Brian were highlighted Again. Freddie was focused on his work instead of partying...Roger came up with 2 good songs, though his drum work on that album was flat compared with his older stuff from the 70's. |
Star* 16.06.2018 15:43 |
Mike : Yeah i agree Rogers drums were flat on innuendo and as VH pointed out i prefer Hot Space more because it was more uplifting and innuendo was quite dark and depressing ,to me the atmosphere was serious when i listen to that album, maybe its a pre - doom and gloom feeling as what was ahead was Freddie's death and you get hints of sadness in those songs! Queen had entered into some form of black tunnel and it showed in that album. |
Thistle 16.06.2018 18:11 |
Happystar - in terms of music, yes Hot Space is more fun and uplifting. I get why you think Innuendo is dark, but the way I see it is that it's beautiful. It's Freddie saying goodbye, and the fact that his vocals are so strong is testament to the man, who worked right up until his body could take no more. |
Star* 16.06.2018 18:46 |
Yes i know Freddie worked so hard right up until the end, but if he had been healthy there would have been a lot of those songs that he would have rejected or changed. He was a man of perfection but because he was gravely ill, he just wanted to sing anything and "Delilah" is proof of that and it could be the worst Queen track ever! |
emrabt 16.06.2018 18:58 |
I'm pretty sure If he had been healthy Queen would have split up. |
mike hunt 16.06.2018 20:00 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: Happystar - in terms of music, yes Hot Space is more fun and uplifting. I get why you think Innuendo is dark, but the way I see it is that it's beautiful. It's Freddie saying goodbye, and the fact that his vocals are so strong is testament to the man, who worked right up until his body could take no more.That's why I love Innuendo and to a lesser extent Made In Heaven...The party eventually ends for all of us and we're dealt with real life issues. As we older we could relate more to songs like slightly Mad, Don't Try So Hard and TSMGO or the deepness of Innuendo compared with Staying Power and Dancer.....so the darkness is what makes The album beautiful...It's called reality. |
dysan 16.06.2018 20:08 |
I'm trying to make the reality of Hot Space last as loooong as possible :) |
mike hunt 16.06.2018 21:06 |
Lol, yea, Jazz, The Game and Hot Space are fun albums when you feel good and have that fun party feeling. That's what I love about Queen, they have songs and albums that fit whatever mood your in, or where you are in life at a particular time...some bands, like Grunge are mostly about the dark times, so that's why I only like a few of those bands. I like bands that mix it up, obviously Queen did that. |
Thistle 16.06.2018 23:33 |
^ yip! |
dysan 17.06.2018 08:28 |
Strangely the opposite is true for me. I like bands rather than genres - I'm more of a 'I'll listen to so and so today' rather than 'I need something uptempo' or 'sad'. That said, 'Queen' is pretty much a genre in itself. |
Sebastian 17.06.2018 11:55 |
Myself, I like pieces (or songs or numbers or tunes or ditties) rather than bands/soloists/duos or genres/styles/fusions. |
ggo1 18.06.2018 00:48 |
Surely the point of art is that it is irrelevant how 'successful' it is, if it touches you in some way. One of my favourite ever albums is by Alexander Robertson, who was previously Brian Robertson and went on to become the successful B.A. Robertson. It's called Shadow of a Thin Man and sold about 200 copies worldwide. After News Of The World and A Night At The Opera it's probably the 3rd most played album in my collection. I love it, very few people have heard it and the truth is most people who did hear it would think it was terrible. But it touches me and if Hot Space touches you then fair play. I haven't played HS in years, it is possible I will never listen to the whole album again. My Queen weird crush is side two of Flash Gordon. I play that loads. |