| John Lemon 15.05.2018 22:25 |
Hello everyone! I'll soon have to give an oral presentation in one of my University classes. My topic is the comparison of the song the fairy feller's master-stroke and the painting of the same title. Sadly, I only have 2 books about Queen and in none of them, the song gets mentioned and I can't afford buying all books about Queen just to see if they contain some information for me. If you have any books about Queen which contain some information about the song, could you please send send me pictures of the pages of the books in which the song gets mentioned either here on the thread or via pm. Thank you in advance! |
| Nick Browning 15.05.2018 22:26 |
fuck off |
| John Lemon 15.05.2018 22:32 |
Fuck off yourself if you just came here to tell me to fuck off. I hope the other answers will be a bit more serious since I asked a serious question. |
| Nick Browning 15.05.2018 22:46 |
John Lemon wrote: Fuck off yourself if you just came here to tell me to fuck off. I hope the other answers will be a bit more serious since I asked a serious question.go fuck yourself, and do the university work yourself |
| John Lemon 15.05.2018 22:50 |
I didn't say I wanted somebody else to do my work. All I asked for is some sources from which I could take information. Since it's obvious that you don't want to help, I suggest you just ignore this thread. Goodbye! |
| MemeOverlord69 15.05.2018 23:14 |
Gotta side with Nick here. After you baited us with the Lund recording, kindly fuck off. |
| OhioMustapha 15.05.2018 23:57 |
heres some information Mercury was inspired to write "The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke" after seeing Richard Dadd's painting The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke. For the intricately arranged studio recording, Mercury played harpsichord as well as piano, and Roy Thomas Baker played the castanets. Taylor called this song Queen's "biggest stereo experiment", referring to the intricate use of panning in the mix. The song, like most of the songs on the album, features medieval fantasy-based lyrics, and makes direct reference to the painting's characters as detailed in Dadd's poem, such as Queen Mab, Waggoner Will, the Tatterdemalion, and others. Apparently whenever Queen had spare time, Mercury would drag them to the London's Tate Gallery, where the painting was, and still is today. The complex arrangements are based around a backing track of piano, bass guitar and drums, but also included harpsichord, multiple vocal overdubs and overdubbed guitar parts. The lyrics follow the claustrophobic atmosphere of the painting, and each of the scenes are described. The use of the word "quaere" in the lyrics (in the repeated line "What a quaere fellow") has no reference to Mercury's sexuality, according to Taylor. The song was performed only a few times during the Queen II Tour. There was thought to be no recording of the song live until 2014, when it was released on Live at the Rainbow '74. |
| blueroom 16.05.2018 01:35 |
^ copy-pasted from wikipedia |
| OhioMustapha 16.05.2018 02:51 |
Yeah |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 08:14 |
Thanks for the effort but I've already read the wikipedia article about the song and as you might know, Wikipedia is not the kind of source that one should trust completely and it shouldn't be the main source. Does anyone have any books where the song gets mentioned? |
| mooghead 16.05.2018 08:20 |
Wow, you are doing a University talk on something you know nothing about and cannot find research sources for. Bizarre. |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 08:26 |
I do know stuff about the subject but I have to support my claims with sources and there are other sources that I've found that are helpful for me. The only thing I'm asking for is additional sources. |
| pittrek 16.05.2018 09:19 |
I'll soon have to give an oralGood for you, congratulations |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 09:27 |
Lol there are probably many people here who enjoy giving an oral if they're honest :D But seriously, would you guys be more willing to help if I gave the first person to provide me with some helpful information a reward? |
| thomasquinn 32989 16.05.2018 09:34 |
John Lemon wrote: I do know stuff about the subject but I have to support my claims with sources and there are other sources that I've found that are helpful for me. The only thing I'm asking for is additional sources.If you decide your position first, and then look for sources to back it up, then you do not belong in university. And you've done yourself no favors with your Lund wind-up. |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 09:45 |
I don't decide my position before looking for sources. all I meant is that I can't for example include the fact that Roger said that the word "quaere" is no referrence to Freddie's sexuality if I can't find any other source than wikipedia about it. I'm currently searching for interviews where thesong gets mentioned and I'm willing to invest time on my research. But I just can't invest 100€ to buy all books about queen which might contain some information about the song. |
| Chopin1995 16.05.2018 10:18 |
Oh dear... |
| thomasquinn 32989 16.05.2018 10:28 |
Ok here's a hint - start by using Google Books and, especially, link (yes, this is a serious hint in case you're unable to tell the difference between serious hints and snarky jabs) And no, we would not be more helpful if you offered a reward - we would be more helpful if you showed a little decency and didn't go around creating wind-ups like your little Lund-escapade. Because respect is a two-way street. |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 11:00 |
Thanks, I'll see if I can find something there. BTW I didn't mean money with the reward but either Queen posters, some fan articles of other artists or if I think that someone here who deserves it - I got a surprise (which is Queen related). The surprise would be a recording of a show that has been on qz for quite a few years but I have the CD of it and it would be nice for sollectors. |
| The Ghost of Lester Burnham 16.05.2018 12:14 |
There's this wonderful thing called a library. I suggest you check one out. (Ha! See what I did there?) |
| Vocal harmony 16.05.2018 12:47 |
John Lemon wrote: I don't decide my position before looking for sources. all I meant is that I can't for example include the fact that Roger said that the word "quaere" is no referrence to Freddie's sexuality if I can't find any other source than wikipedia about it. . . . . .Sorry haven't you just said it IS a fact. The info having appeared in Wikipedia isn't questionable according to what you've stated. It's either a fact or not. Your wording is questionable and as such I don't fancy your chances of conducting an educated and informative "oral" Surely your wording should be, the claim that Roger said. . . . Not, the fact Roger said. You now not only have to find evidence that Roger said that but also that Wikipedia only posts facts. |
| dysan 16.05.2018 14:13 |
Quaere - old Irish Railway navvy slang for odd |
| Sebastian 16.05.2018 15:28 |
Frederick's comment about having been inspired by the painting and attempting to depict it via the song comes from the famous BBC interview first broadcast on 24th December 1977. It's not a book, but you can hear him actually saying the words (far better evidence than a second-hand quotation) and you can find the audio interview on a number of official sources. That's also the interview where Roger said it'd been their first major stereo experiment. Brian confirmed that the song'd been inspired by the painting on his website, on the 3rd of September 2004 (chances are, that no longer exists but perhaps an archive or something can help you out). Again, not a book, but still a direct comment from a live witness who was actually there. Brian also commented on the 'duet' effect and why they refused to pan each vocal on opposit sides of the stereo spectrum. A further comment from Brian on the painting and how it relates to the music (or how the music relates to it, to be more accurate) comes from Classic Rock magazine, published in February 2014. Yet again, not a book - but still a printed source quoting a witness recollection. Roger's insights on the word choices and the complexity of the music can be found on a Mojo interview published in April 2004. As usual: not a book, but still a printed source by a reputable magazine quoting a live witness. That's, presumably, where whoever edited that Wikipedia article took it from. A couple of Classic Rock interviews (published in March 2011 and February 2014) also feature Roger briefly mentioning the song and talking about its musical craftsmanship. |
| dudeofqueen 16.05.2018 15:37 |
mooghead, re: >Wow, you are doing a University talk on something you know nothing about and cannot find research sources for. Bizarre. Universities have to fill their spaces somehow. Recruiting people that can't think for themselves is standard patter these days....... A 2:1 to keep the pass rate high awaits........ |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 16:32 |
The Ghost of Lester Burnham wrote: There's this wonderful thing called a library. I suggest you check one out. (Ha! See what I did there?)How stupid do you think am? I have checked the library. While it does contain some books which mention the painting of Richard Dadd, there are no books about Queen at all. And yes, I also check online databases like jstor and I could find some information on other websites. Hypothetically, I wouldn't need the additional background information since I could just focus on analizing the lyrics and painting but I thought a few background information would make it better/more interesting. For your information: 1. I study English as a FOREIGN language so my wording won't be always 100% correct on an informal chat like this one and I don't proofread each of my posts 6 times on here 2. Concerning my ability as a student: I'm only in my second semester and so far have received As and Bs, so I don't think I'm that stupid 3. I never said anyone of you should do my work for me, but if you had some additional information, it would be nice |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 16:34 |
Oh, and thanks a lot Sebastian, your post contains some really interesting information. I'll check the sources out. |
| gambri 16.05.2018 18:28 |
Can you confirm that in Lund they have played Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke? Thank you Irony mode on :) |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 18:35 |
Of course they did, They even played Nevermore :) |
| dysan 16.05.2018 19:35 |
I like this: link |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 19:44 |
Yeah, I've seen that one before. Helps focusing on certain aspects of the rather chaotic picture |
| dysan 16.05.2018 19:59 |
ok |
| John Lemon 16.05.2018 21:10 |
Anyone else got books about Queen that mention the fairy feller's master stroke? |
| dysan 17.05.2018 06:16 |
You're a rude little chestnut aren't you? |
| John Lemon 17.05.2018 08:40 |
No, I'm not. I just asked if somebody else can contribute with material (from books). I'll tell you what books I already have access to (thanks to the library), so you don't come up with information I already have: - Freddie Mercury: A kind of magic by Mark Blake - The fairy feller's master-stroke by Harry Edwin Eiss I don't really need additional information on the painting (there are are lots of sources on the internet/online databases, but maybe someone has some more books that at least mention the song. Thanks in advance! |
| Sebastian 17.05.2018 12:29 |
'The Ultimate Illustrated History' by Phil Sutcliffe (the 2009 edition, at least) only mentions that the song was inspired by a painting. It doesn't say anything else. 'The Early Years' (by Mike Hodkinson) and 'The First 12 Years' (by Mike West) only mention its title and say nothing about it. David Minns, George Tremlett, Larry Pryce, Lesley Ann Jones, Peter Freestone and Rupert White don't metion the song at all. Georg Purvis certainly does, as his (fantastic) book has a section going through each and every song, but I can't find my copy and, off the top of my head, it doesn't mention anything 'new' about this song, only the stuff I already told you about from audio and magazine interviews or Brian's website. No idea about 'As It Began' since I lost my copy a decade or so ago... and 'Is This the Real Life' probably also regurgitates the same info you can find elsewhere (e.g. Wikipedia). |
| John Lemon 17.05.2018 12:47 |
Thank you! |
| princetom 17.05.2018 20:33 |
why the hate regarding the poster ? i think it's alright to ask the experts for some help on a certain topic. and srsly ? he's doing some about a queen song! wish him all the best. and... btw... regarding the picture... there ARE references. but it's legitime to ask about references about the song. |
| princetom 17.05.2018 20:37 |
princetom wrote: why the hate regarding the poster ? i think it's alright to ask the experts for some help on a certain topic. and srsly ? he's doing some about a queen song! wish him all the best. and... btw... regarding the picture... there ARE references. but it's legitime to ask about references on the song. |
| John Lemon 17.05.2018 21:25 |
Thank you for wishing me luck, princetom! |
| The Real Wizard 18.05.2018 03:17 |
princetom wrote: why the hate regarding the poster ?Because he has been busy threatening and slandering other members of the forum to the point that law enforcement has been involved. The moderator here said in another thread that the only reason why this person's account hasn't been deleted is so that a record of all the dialogue can be maintained. Never a dull moment here. |