anderssteen 25.04.2018 13:47 |
I'm am going to give a short talk at my college - which is a music conservatory in Denmark. I will talk about the importance of being aware of ones own motivation as to avoid a sudden and unexpected absence of it. I would like to use Freddie as an example of very strong motivation and perseverance, and I would like to know if anyone here has given the subject some thought. What I would like to hear your views on are: 1) What motivated Freddie to pursue his dream of becoming rock star and legend? 2) Dis his motivation for giving it a 100% on stage and in studio relate to what made him live his life as he did ~ giving it a 100% at the night clubs? 3) Did his motivation grow or recline during his career or was it 100% from beginning to end? Or other angles on the subject. Every view will be appreciated! |
oligneisti 25.04.2018 14:26 |
After reading a lot and going through documentaries my theory is that Freddie was simply bullied at school, being called Bucky probably wasn't fun. This would explain why he ignored people from his past and avoided talking about it. So, trying to be bigger and better in everything was a way the show the bullies that they were wrong about him. |
pittrek 25.04.2018 14:50 |
1) He wanted to 2) I don't get it. Are you suggesting that all gay people are good at their work? Or what are you suggesting? 3) You can clearly see from his interviews that he was at least thinking about leaving Queen in the early 80's, but wanted to get back as soon as his album came out and Queen fans hated it. After he found out he had AIDS he wanted to be as creative as possible, so you could say his motivation grew during the last 2 years of his life |
anderssteen 25.04.2018 14:56 |
pittrek wrote: 1) He wanted to 2) I don't get it. Are you suggesting that all gay people are good at their work? Or what are you suggesting? 3) You can clearly see from his interviews that he was at least thinking about leaving Queen in the early 80's, but wanted to get back as soon as his album came out and Queen fans hated it. After he found out he had AIDS he wanted to be as creative as possible, so you could say his motivation grew during the last 2 years of his lifeI am looking for views on his motivation. If you don't have any, don't waste your time replying. |
Vocal harmony 25.04.2018 15:04 |
I would say he was very creatively driven, but that creativity fed off what the band did in the early days In the early 80's at the point he signed a solo deal it was power. The power not to have to work within four equals and the power of a huge advance from his record company. As Pittrek says after the failure of his solo career and after the onset of his illness his motivation came from what he knew and where he felt at home, back to beginning in a way. But remember none of us really know, you need to ask these questions amongst the people he knew and worked with |
anderssteen 25.04.2018 15:05 |
oligneisti wrote: After reading a lot and going through documentaries my theory is that Freddie was simply bullied at school, being called Bucky probably wasn't fun. This would explain why he ignored people from his past and avoided talking about it. So, trying to be bigger and better in everything was a way the show the bullies that they were wrong about him.Yes, off course. I never thought about Bucky being a negative nickname - would it be referring to his teeth or? The interesting thing is also that he is always portrayed as being very kind and a good friend, as I imagine having a rough childhood could produce quite the opposite adult as well. |
anderssteen 25.04.2018 15:07 |
Vocal harmony wrote: I would say he was very creatively driven, but that creativity fed off what the band did in the early days In the early 80's at the point he signed a solo deal it was power. The power not to have to work within four equals and the power of a huge advance from his record company. As Pittrek says after the failure of his solo career and after the onset of his illness his motivation came from what he knew and where he felt at home, back to beginning in a way. But remember none of us really know, you need to ask these questions amongst the people he knew and worked withAgain I'm looking for views NOT answers. But thank you very much for your views. |
dudeofqueen 25.04.2018 16:13 |
Should be a short talk. "Good evening. Freddie Mercury's personal motivation - for becoming a legend - was that he had a talent as a singer and was able to develop that to make something of his life, as opposed to gambling on a career as an artist or a market trader in the highly competitive melting pot that London was in the late 60's. Thank you for coming." |
aristide1 25.04.2018 16:29 |
From every angle of the subject the perspective is the same. Getting dick was Freddies main motivation. Are you prepared to talk about it or just ask people to invent fashionable motivations fitting your purposes? And repeating 100% three times does not add scientific value to your dumb questions. |
Invisible Woman 25.04.2018 16:35 |
My opinion is this: he knew how good he was as a singer and as a musician. He used his talent, fortunately. It would be a pity if he didn't.And he liked to sing and make music. Who is really worth can becomes a legend, who doesn't worth, no. Simply. |
anderssteen 25.04.2018 18:25 |
aristide1 wrote: From every angle of the subject the perspective is the same. Getting dick was Freddies main motivation. Are you prepared to talk about it or just ask people to invent fashionable motivations fitting your purposes? And repeating 100% three times does not add scientific value to your dumb questions.Interesting view. I have absolutely no problems talking about sexual preferences. What makes you think that I am looking for fitting replies of a fashionable character? And once again I'm NOT asking questions. Are you dumb? |
anderssteen 25.04.2018 18:30 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Should be a short talk. "Good evening. Freddie Mercury's personal motivation - for becoming a legend - was that he had a talent as a singer and was able to develop that to make something of his life, as opposed to gambling on a career as an artist or a market trader in the highly competitive melting pot that London was in the late 60's. Thank you for coming."As the original post states, the talk will not be about Freddie, but I would just use him as an example, so maybe it can be a bit longer. I do not agree with you view that talent comes before motivation (if that's what you are saying). Actually I believe the directly opposite. |
anderssteen 25.04.2018 19:16 |
Invisible Woman wrote: My opinion is this: he knew how good he was as a singer and as a musician. He used his talent, fortunately. It would be a pity if he didn't.And he liked to sing and make music. Who is really worth can becomes a legend, who doesn't worth, no. Simply.Do you think that his motivation was that "it would be a pity not to"? |
Saint Jiub 26.04.2018 00:41 |
anderssteen wrote:I believe that talent can help provide motivation. However, I do not believe that talent comes before motivation, nor do I believe talent comes before motivation, and I'll use myself as an example:dudeofqueen wrote: Should be a short talk. "Good evening. Freddie Mercury's personal motivation - for becoming a legend - was that he had a talent as a singer and was able to develop that to make something of his life, as opposed to gambling on a career as an artist or a market trader in the highly competitive melting pot that London was in the late 60's. Thank you for coming."As the original post states, the talk will not be about Freddie, but I would just use him as an example, so maybe it can be a bit longer. I do not agree with you view that talent comes before motivation (if that's what you are saying). Actually I believe the directly opposite. When I was a lad I wanted to be a good basketball player, I always hustled, but I still sucked. I was highly motivated to improve as a basketball and even attended a weekend Milwalkee Bucks NBA basketball camp. It didn't matter. I still sucked. I continued to enjoy playing basketball later in life, but ceased to care that I sucked at basketball. |
Jimmy Dean 26.04.2018 01:46 |
i don't think he *wanted* to become a legend. he worked at being the best. he always had a great voice, but he chiseled it into the greatest voice. he learned how to write songs like everyone else - listen, interpret, copy, and then give it his own spin. but he worked at it.... he wrote BohRhap, then we Are the Champions. Interestingly enough, Freddie could not have become a legend without support. He didn't make people support him - support came from different levels... those that supported him for personal gain... those that supported him genuinely and those out of mutual support. If Freddie never met Brian and Roger... If they had better management from the get go and started making money with Sheer Heart Attack... If they wrote Duck Soup after ADATR instead of NOTW.... If John Deacon didn't come up with the baseline for Another One Bites The Dust or Roger to craft Radio Ga Ga... Freddie would probably not be a legend. Whether he wanted to be a legend or not is no different than any 5 year old wanting to be a legend too. Freddie had a great work ethic, great voice, and an open mind. That along with a lot of luck were the keys to his success. That is my view. |
Saint Jiub 26.04.2018 02:00 |
The following is my opinion ... In the late 60's, Freddie had a mostly undeveloped talent for music, despite being in several bands over the years, including The Hectics when he was a lad at St Peter's school in Panchgani India. The following article might have some perspective as to what motivated "Young Merc" before he met Roger and Brian: link Freddie was fortunate to be a devout follower of the three-piece called Smile which included Tim Staffell (later known for "Thomas the Tank Engine"), Brian May, and Roger Taylor. Freddie had very strong creative ideas as to how to improve Smile as he famously told them "If I was your singer, that's what i'd be doing" (see below link for full quote). I believe the below link might also give you some insight into what motivated Freddie after he met Roger and Brian. link |
Invisible Woman 26.04.2018 07:25 |
anderssteen wrote:I actually don't think that's important what was his motivation.Invisible Woman wrote: My opinion is this: he knew how good he was as a singer and as a musician. He used his talent, fortunately. It would be a pity if he didn't.And he liked to sing and make music. Who is really worth can becomes a legend, who doesn't worth, no. Simply.Do you think that his motivation was that "it would be a pity not to"? I think most important thing is that whole world had the opportunity to hear that wonderful voice and his music. It would be a pity that is never happened. That's what I meant. Did he think same, I don't know. |
Sebastian 26.04.2018 14:12 |
He wanted to meet Paul Rodgers, his favourite singer. |
Supersonic_Man89 26.04.2018 17:32 |
He doesn't want answers. Just opinions. hahaha Sebastian stay away from this thread - move along :P |
Sebastian 26.04.2018 17:39 |
Why should I? It's Frederick's favourite thread! |
anderssteen 26.04.2018 18:44 |
Thank you Jimmy Dean and Panchgani. |
anderssteen 26.04.2018 18:50 |
Sebastian wrote: He wanted to meet Paul Rodgers, his favourite singer.Yes very funny, but to be honest I was actually hoping to get a serious reply from you. |
The Real Wizard 26.04.2018 19:00 |
Freddie had the same dream as millions of other musicians - to become famous and successful, because he was good at what he did. In the beginning he had excellent artistic vision, and his musical capabilities developed later after meeting musicians he gelled with and could help bring his creative fruits to life. The band architected a unique brand of sound that was suitable and commercially viable for the time they were in, and (largely by luck) they made all the right business connections that were available at the time to make such success happen. Anything beyond that is psychoanalyzing and guesswork, because it isn't anything he or anyone surrounding the band ever spoke publicly about. |
anderssteen 26.04.2018 19:20 |
I foresaw all the rubbish replies that I was going to get for my request. I put it here anyway as I am genuinely interested the topic. To raise above mediocrity requires effort and effort needs motivation. Freddie Mercury, who I regard as the greatest singer ever, must have had an enormous amount of motivation. I'm thinking about the unbelievable effort and energy he was able to put in EVERY SINGLE NOTE HE SANG - studio or live. I'm also thinking about the fact that he kept on doing just this practically until he died. The amount of motivation he must have had scares me to be honest. But not all motivation is healthy. Wanting to be the greatest (not saying that that was what Freddie wanted) will sometimes make people do ugly stuff to others. In my almost seven years studying music (no, I'm not a hopeful singer of pop music) I've encountered many different types of motivation. Both in myself and in people I've come across. The topic of personal motivation is hardly an exact science - just try to put words on your own... And that is why I'm asking for VIEWS NOT ANSWERS The shitposters must have been put off by something in my original post. Probably the fact that I, with only 38 post, has got the nerve to come here and ask users (of which some post 38 times an hour) for help. Maybe you people should regard your own motivation for just a minute. Thank you to all who replied in a serious manner! |
anderssteen 26.04.2018 19:22 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Freddie had the same dream as millions of other musicians - to become famous and successful, because he was good at what he did. In the beginning he had excellent artistic vision, and his musical capabilities developed later after meeting musicians he gelled with and could help bring his creative fruits to life. The band architected a unique brand of sound that was suitable and commercially viable for the time they were in, and (largely by luck) they made all the right business connections that were available at the time to make such success happen. Anything beyond that is psychoanalyzing and guesswork, because it isn't anything he or anyone surrounding the band ever spoke publicly about.I agree with you last comment, but I really don't mind guesswork. Many other things in this Queen-digging business is as well. |
Sebastian 26.04.2018 22:46 |
anderssteen wrote: to be honest I was actually hoping to get a serious reply from you.Ask me about geography, history or maths and you'll get a serious answer (or no answer at all, if I don't know it - which is often the case). Ask me about what the personal private motivations were for a man whom I never met and whose mind we could not read and you'll get something sketchy and lame. |
Jimmy Dean 27.04.2018 01:50 |
Sebastian wrote: Ask me about what the personal private motivations were for a man whom I never met and whose mind we could not read and you'll get something sketchy and lame.like an opinion! |
Sebastian 27.04.2018 03:46 |
Not just an opinion: Frederick's favourite opinion. |
ANAGRAMER 27.04.2018 06:03 |
Yes, the nightclubs were definitely an influence Especially the sugar shack in Munich!... And don't overlook his stage presence; he knew he was the best and went for it at Live Aid which cemented his status |