QueenZone discussion #1504879

Sealion wrote: Interesting post and I mostly agree with what you said. I can only add, that I didn‘t witness the kind of behavior of Adam-fans, that you described, at my shows in London. A few screamers, but they „behaved“, when their idol wasn‘t on stage. ;-)

pankakesnotstellar wrote: I came back to this pussy pit assuming that this post was directed at me and my kind. Fact of the matter is that besides Adam joining Queen Two Fux was probably the best thing happen to the band since Freddie's death. Having trouble taking your meds I reckon....

TwoFuxSux wrote: Let me begin by saying that I have neither written this to fan the flames, nor do the group of Lambert zealots I refer to belong to the majority of the Q+AL fanbase. In all honesty, these people I speak of are a vocal minority that probably don’t even live in harmony with the rest of Adam’s core fan base. And in fairness, there exist Queen fans on the opposite side of the spectrum that congregate on websites such as this. I have only put this discussion here because it is fresh in my mind and because I think it should be on the record. I’ve been a Queen fan since 1977 and I have never held any collaboration for which the band has chosen to partake in contempt. Please keep all this in mind before contributing to the discussion. Thanks in advance to all those willing to partake in a fair-minded conversation. The “zealots” I am referring to are pro-Adam, anti-Freddie-at-all-costs folks – and they are people I have witnessed firsthand, in the flesh, on several occasions. These people truly take pleasure in screaming “READY ADAM!” in hordes during CLTCL. They boo loudly when Adam makes his spiel about “not being Freddie.” They play on their cell phones during LOML but are singing loudest, and chastising others who don’t, during Two Fux (I’m not a fan of the song myself, hence my handle, but I certainly didn’t deny others’ enjoyment when it was played). They complain when Freddie makes his (or “made his”, now that this practice has largely changed since the last tour) appearances on tape. And, mind you, these instances are representative of situations that I have witnessed in-person and not even including the trolls on the web who slander nostalgic fans as “pussies” for saying they miss the past, or that WWTLF is anyone’s song but Adam’s. We, as members of the Queen fan sites, may be direct observers of anti-Lambert sentiments on here, but to say that the opposite doesn’t exist is reasonably disingenuous. Yes, in arguably most folks’ minds, the voice of Queen belongs to one person: that man tragically passed away over 26 years ago. The music certainly hasn’t died and has been the soundtrack to a lot of people’s lives, including mine and most likely to many of yours. Brian and Roger have found an avenue to keep Queen an active touring entity. Surely Adam’s presence has introduced the music to some of a generation’s worth of fans, but he is not single-handedly responsible for it either. The choice for Brian and Roger to tour with anybody besides Freddie, legend or otherwise, will undoubtedly be met with polarized responses; frankly that is the nature of the legacy this band left. Adam may not be responsible for carrying “British rock in the royal tradition” by himself, but he should not be written off for his role either (and the same goes for Paul Rodgers). If you and your contributions to the real world or the internet simply exist to chastise the people who disagree with you, then I highly suggest you heed the advice of a certain prolific Bulsara. There must be more to life than this.

pankakesnotstellar wrote: I came back to this pussy pit assuming that this post was directed at me and my kind. Fact of the matter is that besides Adam joining Queen Two Fux was probably the best thing happen to the band since Freddie's death. Having trouble taking your meds I reckon....

pankakesnotstellar wrote: I came back to this pussy pit assuming that this post was directed at me and my kind. Fact of the matter is that besides Adam joining Queen Two Fux was probably the best thing happen to the band since Freddie's death. Having trouble taking your meds I reckon....

GrowUpGlamberts wrote: I'm genuinely curious as to what SweetCaroline would say about this. And it's not that I want to see her get flamed in this thread, I just want to honestly know what she thinks about this group of people (i.e. pankakesnotstellar and her ilk).

Freddie Jupiter wrote: I blame Brian and roger for going on tour with a fat karaoke singer in the first place. Should have retired in 1991 like deaky did.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Don't bring out the limited knowledge card. For all intents and purposes he retired in 1991. End of.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Whatever, I'm not interested in a 20 page discussion on the semantics of the word "retired". At the end of the day he's not touring with a fat karaoke singer and that makes him a winner in my eyes.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: @vocal harmony, You're the one who tried to discredit what I said by insinuating that I don't know shit. Do you honestly believe that I don't know that John did the FM tribute concert, and that he worked on the made in heaven album etc? If there is one thing I loathe, it is having discussions with people who are intellectually dishonest, and you are intellectually dishonest.

The Circle of Eidolon wrote:

snifflese wrote: There is nothing about you that is not repulsive. I doubt anyone would ever date a nasty critter such as yourself. That is why you are always here trying to start a fight as you have nothing else to do. I am sure in real life people must avoid you like the plague, as I would very much doubt that your real life persona is any different than the misguided nasty creature you appear to be on here. You can laugh at Qal fans all you like but I have never met any as base as you and a few other critters on here. Your behavior is appalling.

snifflese wrote: There is nothing about you that is not repulsive. I doubt anyone would ever date a nasty critter such as yourself. That is why you are always here trying to start a fight as you have nothing else to do. I am sure in real life people must avoid you like the plague, as I would very much doubt that your real life persona is any different than the misguided nasty creature you appear to be on here. You can laugh at Qal fans all you like but I have never met any as base as you and a few other critters on here. Your behavior is appalling.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

The Circle of Eidolon wrote:

Isn’t it hilarious that Freddie had an overbite and Adam has an underbite? An underbite is something that I’ve always been repulsed by. I wouldn’t date anyone with an underbite. I bet he gives great blowjobs, though.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

The Circle of Eidolon wrote:

Isn’t it hilarious that Freddie had an overbite and Adam has an underbite? An underbite is something that I’ve always been repulsed by. I wouldn’t date anyone with an underbite. I bet he gives great blowjobs, though.

Get yourself some glasses you clearly need them if you think he has an underbite, smdh.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

The Circle of Eidolon wrote:

Isn’t it hilarious that Freddie had an overbite and Adam has an underbite? An underbite is something that I’ve always been repulsed by. I wouldn’t date anyone with an underbite. I bet he gives great blowjobs, though.

Get yourself some glasses you clearly need them if you think he has an underbite, smdh.

Don’t play blind. That chin is always sticking out.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

The Circle of Eidolon wrote:

Isn’t it hilarious that Freddie had an overbite and Adam has an underbite? An underbite is something that I’ve always been repulsed by. I wouldn’t date anyone with an underbite. I bet he gives great blowjobs, though.

Get yourself some glasses you clearly need them if you think he has an underbite, smdh.

Don’t play blind. That chin is always sticking out.

Yes on purpose when he's on stage but anyone with eyes can see he doesn't actually have an underbite, you only need to see him in interviews to know that.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

The Circle of Eidolon wrote:

Isn’t it hilarious that Freddie had an overbite and Adam has an underbite? An underbite is something that I’ve always been repulsed by. I wouldn’t date anyone with an underbite. I bet he gives great blowjobs, though.

Get yourself some glasses you clearly need them if you think he has an underbite, smdh.

Don’t play blind. That chin is always sticking out.

Yes on purpose when he's on stage but anyone with eyes can see he doesn't actually have an underbite, you only need to see him in interviews to know that.

But why does he keep sticking his chin out? He used to never do that often, now it’s like he can’t stop.

SmellyCaroline wrote: Can you post a specific video or photo of Adam sticking his chin out? I haven’t seen that in his recent performances.

SweetCaroline wrote: You are sick — Adam is gorgeous: link

SmellyCaroline wrote: You are sick — Adam is gorgeous: link

SweetCaroline wrote: There is nothing gorgeous about feet and a hairy chest! Not lusting, just posting the truth!

SmellyCaroline wrote: Shut up, icy. It’s okay to tear down Adam, but if he is complimented, that is bigging him up. YOU are the grade schooler. I know 8 year olds who are smarter than you. Here, have your forum back, insane crybaby!

TwoFuxSux wrote: Let me begin by saying that I have neither written this to fan the flames, nor do the group of Lambert zealots I refer to belong to the majority of the Q+AL fanbase. In all honesty, these people I speak of are a vocal minority that probably don’t even live in harmony with the rest of Adam’s core fan base. And in fairness, there exist Queen fans on the opposite side of the spectrum that congregate on websites such as this. I have only put this discussion here because it is fresh in my mind and because I think it should be on the record. I’ve been a Queen fan since 1977 and I have never held any collaboration for which the band has chosen to partake in contempt. Please keep all this in mind before contributing to the discussion. Thanks in advance to all those willing to partake in a fair-minded conversation. The “zealots” I am referring to are pro-Adam, anti-Freddie-at-all-costs folks – and they are people I have witnessed firsthand, in the flesh, on several occasions. These people truly take pleasure in screaming “READY ADAM!” in hordes during CLTCL. They boo loudly when Adam makes his spiel about “not being Freddie.” They play on their cell phones during LOML but are singing loudest, and chastising others who don’t, during Two Fux (I’m not a fan of the song myself, hence my handle, but I certainly didn’t deny others’ enjoyment when it was played). They complain when Freddie makes his (or “made his”, now that this practice has largely changed since the last tour) appearances on tape. And, mind you, these instances are representative of situations that I have witnessed in-person and not even including the trolls on the web who slander nostalgic fans as “pussies” for saying they miss the past, or that WWTLF is anyone’s song but Adam’s. We, as members of the Queen fan sites, may be direct observers of anti-Lambert sentiments on here, but to say that the opposite doesn’t exist is reasonably disingenuous. Yes, in arguably most folks’ minds, the voice of Queen belongs to one person: that man tragically passed away over 26 years ago. The music certainly hasn’t died and has been the soundtrack to a lot of people’s lives, including mine and most likely to many of yours. Brian and Roger have found an avenue to keep Queen an active touring entity. Surely Adam’s presence has introduced the music to some of a generation’s worth of fans, but he is not single-handedly responsible for it either. The choice for Brian and Roger to tour with anybody besides Freddie, legend or otherwise, will undoubtedly be met with polarized responses; frankly that is the nature of the legacy this band left. Adam may not be responsible for carrying “British rock in the royal tradition” by himself, but he should not be written off for his role either (and the same goes for Paul Rodgers). If you and your contributions to the real world or the internet simply exist to chastise the people who disagree with you, then I highly suggest you heed the advice of a certain prolific Bulsara. There must be more to life than this.

SweetCaroline wrote: Shut up, icy. It’s okay to tear down Adam, but if he is complimented, that is bigging him up. YOU are the grade schooler. I know 8 year olds who are smarter than you. Here, have your forum back, insane crybaby!

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SmellyCaroline wrote: Shut up, icy. It’s okay to tear down Adam, but if he is complimented, that is bigging him up. YOU are the grade schooler. I know 8 year olds who are smarter than you. Here, have your forum back, insane crybaby!

You sound like a crybaby. Every time someone says anything negative Adam, there you are posting links, tweets, and praising him as much as Trump Worshippers worship Trump.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SmellyCaroline wrote: Shut up, icy. It’s okay to tear down Adam, but if he is complimented, that is bigging him up. YOU are the grade schooler. I know 8 year olds who are smarter than you. Here, have your forum back, insane crybaby!

You sound like a crybaby. Every time someone says anything negative Adam, there you are posting links, tweets, and praising him as much as Trump Worshippers worship Trump.

She is a deluded, bratty crybaby who has the only response for me to shut up. That says everything. And some Glamberts wonder why they are said to be annoying. When Glamberts can't help but to big up AL in every way possible on Queen boards, that is annoying. But its tit for tat for SweetCaroline, and it's why she's annoying...she does it on purpose.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s a very hairy man. I’m not sure why SmellyCaroline doesn’t think so. Here’s a photo of Adam TAKING A DUMP. I’m sure SmellyCaroline has seen this photo, but you can’t act like he has a hairless chest. I’m sure SmellyCaroline got her fingers smelly over this photo, and will again.

SweetCaroline wrote: There is nothing gorgeous about feet and a hairy chest! Not lusting, just posting the truth!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s a very hairy man. I’m not sure why SmellyCaroline doesn’t think so. Here’s a photo of Adam TAKING A DUMP. I’m sure SmellyCaroline has seen this photo, but you can’t act like he has a hairless chest. I’m sure SmellyCaroline got her fingers smelly over this photo, and will again.

LOL. I wonder if she clutched her pearls about that chest? More likely she passed out in a pool of drool out after seeing it.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s a very hairy man. I’m not sure why SmellyCaroline doesn’t think so. Here’s a photo of Adam TAKING A DUMP. I’m sure SmellyCaroline has seen this photo, but you can’t act like he has a hairless chest. I’m sure SmellyCaroline got her fingers smelly over this photo, and will again.

LOL. I wonder if she clutched her pearls about that chest? More likely she passed out in a pool of drool out after seeing it.

I wonder if she realizes some of the song writers Adam uses, also write Britney Spears’ lyrics. Looking at Adam’s new album’s track listing, again the loser couldn’t write a song by himself. Most of the song writers on the album write bubblegum pop music. Adam hardly writes anything, I’m sure he comes up with some ridiculous concept and then gets a credit. Remember when SmellyCaroline claimed Adam wrote one of his songs by himself, but it had like five song writers on the track?! She can’t even be honest about Adam. She resorts to lying to make him look better. Who can believe anything SmellyCaroline says?

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s a very hairy man. I’m not sure why SmellyCaroline doesn’t think so. Here’s a photo of Adam TAKING A DUMP. I’m sure SmellyCaroline has seen this photo, but you can’t act like he has a hairless chest. I’m sure SmellyCaroline got her fingers smelly over this photo, and will again.

LOL. I wonder if she clutched her pearls about that chest? More likely she passed out in a pool of drool out after seeing it.

I wonder if she realizes some of the song writers Adam uses, also write Britney Spears’ lyrics. Looking at Adam’s new album’s track listing, again the loser couldn’t write a song by himself. Most of the song writers on the album write bubblegum pop music. Adam hardly writes anything, I’m sure he comes up with some ridiculous concept and then gets a credit. Remember when SmellyCaroline claimed Adam wrote one of his songs by himself, but it had like five song writers on the track?! She can’t even be honest about Adam. She resorts to lying to make him look better. Who can believe anything SmellyCaroline says?

SweetCaroline, soursmellingcaroline has been doing this type of thing on Queen boards for years, making it seem AL is more important and better than he actually is. Seriously, it's a delusion...rather a whole lot of delusions. I've seen teens on the internet who behave better than SweetCaroline does. Now, let's wait to see if she will answer me about AL's hairy chest, but she will likely tell me to STFU again, instead of answering.

Saint Jiub wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s a very hairy man. I’m not sure why SmellyCaroline doesn’t think so. Here’s a photo of Adam TAKING A DUMP. I’m sure SmellyCaroline has seen this photo, but you can’t act like he has a hairless chest. I’m sure SmellyCaroline got her fingers smelly over this photo, and will again.

LOL. I wonder if she clutched her pearls about that chest? More likely she passed out in a pool of drool out after seeing it.

I wonder if she realizes some of the song writers Adam uses, also write Britney Spears’ lyrics. Looking at Adam’s new album’s track listing, again the loser couldn’t write a song by himself. Most of the song writers on the album write bubblegum pop music. Adam hardly writes anything, I’m sure he comes up with some ridiculous concept and then gets a credit. Remember when SmellyCaroline claimed Adam wrote one of his songs by himself, but it had like five song writers on the track?! She can’t even be honest about Adam. She resorts to lying to make him look better. Who can believe anything SmellyCaroline says?

SweetCaroline, soursmellingcaroline has been doing this type of thing on Queen boards for years, making it seem AL is more important and better than he actually is. Seriously, it's a delusion...rather a whole lot of delusions. I've seen teens on the internet who behave better than SweetCaroline does. Now, let's wait to see if she will answer me about AL's hairy chest, but she will likely tell me to STFU again, instead of answering.

Shut up, Cosmic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... LOL

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, the mental juveniles will carry on for another 10 pages! They will probably crash this site, too, like they did at QOL with their pages and pages of anti Adam crap, bashing of Brian and Roger, closing down and deleting threads, banning new posters and on and on! I don’t think Freddie would approve!

snifflese wrote: Why don't you take your own advice and grow up, Icy. Your behavior, and on a Queen board no less!, is moronic at this point. And Cosmic has some kind of smelly fetish, Phew!! Both of you were made for each other obviously!!

Saint Jiub wrote: I wanna be a Toyz R Us kid.

rockchic65 wrote: It's like some kind of toddlers tea party where they've just discovered a naughty word and are gonna repeat it endlessly as toddlers do. They do usually grow out of it though, I guess some dont and spend their lives on message boards making idiots of themselves.

snifflese wrote: I think it is you and Cosmic to whom she is referring. No one else on here has the smelly fetish and you agree with him all the time. Funny you would think it was me and SC. You couldn't see yourself even if you were looking in the mirror.

snifflese wrote: You are describing YOUR behavior perfectly! All you do is make up stuff, twist and write unhinged, dirty diatribes like above. What normal person writes crap like your last post and what is the garbage about Trump and Adam? I can tell perfectly well the difference between banter and joking around. What you do is make nasty mean comments with your buddies and try to pass it off as banter. It is, perhaps, what passes for banter between you people, but it is always at someone else's expense and you demean or make fun of that person or group of people. That is not banter, nor is it sarcasm. You guys are just plain nasty.

MisterCosmicc wrote: “You know, if it weren’t for these fans, I wouldn’t have gotten as far as I did. Sometimes they’re a little sweaty, a little smelly.” - Adam Lambert Those old ladies need to learn to shower. Phew!

snifflese wrote: Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me. I think nowadays there seem to be a lot more women as new fans and they must be shallow just like me.

Saint Jiub wrote: It is extremely pathetic that sniffy and SC are so extremely shallow that they cannot appreciate or tolerate Freddie's musical talents because they are disgusted by his chest hair.

SweetCaroline wrote: There is nothing gorgeous about feet and a hairy chest!

Saint Jiub wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: There is nothing gorgeous about feet and a hairy chest!

snifflese wrote: I doubt Freddie, were he here, would be on board with the crap his so called fans post on here. No one would ever want fans like you people.

smellysniffy wrote: I doubt Freddie, were he here, would be on board with the crap his so called fans post on here. No one would ever want fans like you people.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

smellysniffy wrote: I doubt Freddie, were he here, would be on board with the crap his so called fans post on here. No one would ever want fans like you people.

If Freddie were alive still, your God, Adam ‘Lost-Every-Fucking-Record-Label’ Lambert would be an American Zero. Most of his American Idol fans are long gone. Most of his fans don’t even buy his damn stupid music, only stream the songs. He had to downsize on his house and property. Queen fans? They buy anything LP/CD/CASS, and they also stream. You pathetic idiots do nothing to help Adam. You praise the songs Freddie wrote more than the ones Adam wrote. And then you act stupid and say Adam sings better live. Impossible. 95% of the songs Adam’s sings live weren’t even recorded. You are stuck on worshipping him, that you can’t even be honest about him. Why are you even on Queenzone? The majority here hate Adam. The majority voted John Deacon as a better singer, and John hardly sings. Adam is a talentless loser who not once has written a song by himself. His screaming is a turn-off to hardcore Queen fans. Please get out of here and go to Adamtopia.

MisterCosmicc wrote: He had to downsize on his house and property

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: He had to downsize on his house and property

Can't even be bothered with the rest of your bs but this is hilarious, he bought his first house for just less than $3 million then bought a $6.5 million house in 2018 while still owning the other one which is currently listed for $3.35 million so how is that downsizing exactly?

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: He had to downsize on his house and property

Can't even be bothered with the rest of your bs but this is hilarious, he bought his first house for just less than $3 million then bought a $6.5 million house in 2018 while still owning the other one which is currently listed for $3.35 million so how is that downsizing exactly?

Queen's music paid for most of that house, I dare say his solo career didn't. I doubt 2 million...if thst much...of that money came from his solo career. Must be nice riding on coattails.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: He had to downsize on his house and property

Can't even be bothered with the rest of your bs but this is hilarious, he bought his first house for just less than $3 million then bought a $6.5 million house in 2018 while still owning the other one which is currently listed for $3.35 million so how is that downsizing exactly?

Queen's music paid for most of that house, I dare say his solo career didn't. I doubt 2 million...if thst much...of that money came from his solo career. Must be nice riding on coattails.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Notice I said so much, but the only thing she was in doubt on was the house? Hilarious!

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: He had to downsize on his house and property

Can't even be bothered with the rest of your bs but this is hilarious, he bought his first house for just less than $3 million then bought a $6.5 million house in 2018 while still owning the other one which is currently listed for $3.35 million so how is that downsizing exactly?

Queen's music paid for most of that house, I dare say his solo career didn't. I doubt 2 million...if thst much...of that money came from his solo career. Must be nice riding on coattails.

More BS, he was already worth more than $6 million by 2011 and he's earned plenty since then doing solo stuff alongside QAL. Aside from that he's not riding any coattails he works hard and gets paid accordingly regardless where from. If he's riding coattails then so is everyone who's not self employed, if you didn't start the company you work for and don't own it then you're riding someone else's vision and creativity and business know how.

snifflese wrote: The other stuff was garbage and opinion. That house statement was the only one that was a fact and easily refuted. Adam was worth millions before the bigger tours with Queen. I believe I read 10 million somewhere, but regardless, he has earned every penny with Queen, as he has done all the singing and there would have been no fabulous concerts without him. He makes up 1/3 of the principals of the group and it is hard work to tour as they do. So shut up about riding on coattails, Icy. Tons of singers and musicians have taken over spots from original singers (and some are not even dead!). You are the only person I see blabbing on and on about the coattails. I am sure that no matter what, it is way more than you do in your life, so I would be careful about whom I am criticizing. Adam works his butt off and no one, including you, can say otherwise. That man has been nothing but super busy for years. Your jealousy of him singing with Queen knows absolutely no bounds. I just don't understand your pathological need to criticize Adam to somehow "big up" Freddie all the time. Freddie's legacy is set in stone and doesn't need any polishing, as it shines brightly. Recognizing Adam for his contributions doesn't in any way diminish that. So why this bother you so much is a real puzzle.

Iron Butterfly wrote: How do you know what he was worth before 2011? Yea, when he tours more for nearly a decade and is known more for his cover songs than even his own music , that's riding on coattails. I bet if his upcoming solo shows go ahead, he would fit a Queen cover, or another cover in there.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: He had to downsize on his house and property

Can't even be bothered with the rest of your bs but this is hilarious, he bought his first house for just less than $3 million then bought a $6.5 million house in 2018 while still owning the other one which is currently listed for $3.35 million so how is that downsizing exactly?

Queen's music paid for most of that house, I dare say his solo career didn't. I doubt 2 million...if thst much...of that money came from his solo career. Must be nice riding on coattails.

Notice I said so much, but the only thing she was in doubt on was the house? Hilarious!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Notice I said so much, but the only thing she was in doubt on was the house? Hilarious!

I know, some gotta defend his money now? LMAO.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Notice I said so much, but the only thing she was in doubt on was the house? Hilarious!

I know, some gotta defend his money now? LMAO.

Nothing to do with defending his money just pointing out the complete rubbish he posted was factually incorrect. The rest of the BS was just opinion and not even worth reading much less commenting on.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Remember... the people in despair are listening to Freddie as they drift into eternal sleep (check the charts). Adam’s music would just bring even more complications. If Adam didn’t your with Queen, his latest album wouldn’t have existed. He spent more than he made on sales... by far. You’d think those Adam Worshipper losers would help support him and his income by actually purchasing his music... then again, maybe they think his solo tracks are shit, too. Streaming songs that you think are shit just keeps pushing Adam to make the same generic electronic crap.

SweetCaroline wrote: Why does Adam get such grief? He is a great, caring guy and has done nothing to hurt or disrespect the original Queen band and their legacy. The current group of performers and crew work hard and get much joy from what they have accomplished together. That night recently when they carried on in a torrential downpour in Australia turned out to be a special occasion when the performers and the audience formed a special bond because of what they had been through. Hope the last leg of their Rhapsody Tour does not get cancelled so that they can finish their fantastic and successful collaboration in a happy, upbeat, celebratory way!

MisterCosmicc wrote: Where’s SmellyCaroline?

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Remember... the people in despair are listening to Freddie as they drift into eternal sleep (check the charts). Adam’s music would just bring even more complications. If Adam didn’t your with Queen, his latest album wouldn’t have existed. He spent more than he made on sales... by far. You’d think those Adam Worshipper losers would help support him and his income by actually purchasing his music... then again, maybe they think his solo tracks are shit, too. Streaming songs that you think are shit just keeps pushing Adam to make the same generic electronic crap.

His latest music isn't electronic. His fans do buy his music. You've zero idea what he spent and what he's made on his new music so that's just pointless speculation. Who gives a damn what people are listening to, just because more people listen to Queen (they have a huge fan base) doesn't make any difference to fans of other bands and solo artists, they all listen to who they like.

Iron Butterfly wrote: [ If Freddie was still here, I doubt there would be any need for Q+AL. Some of the Glamberts who stream all day long, it doesn't do much to help AL...if it helps at all. As for AL being worth that much money in 2011, I've never heard that claim before. Sure, I will say AL works his ass off, but these last few years it's been more for Q+AL than his solo music. Look at the tour dates he has coming up, that's nowhere near the amount of shows for Q+AL. That's if those dates go ahead, it's likely to be cancelled.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: [ If Freddie was still here, I doubt there would be any need for Q+AL. Some of the Glamberts who stream all day long, it doesn't do much to help AL...if it helps at all. As for AL being worth that much money in 2011, I've never heard that claim before. Sure, I will say AL works his ass off, but these last few years it's been more for Q+AL than his solo music. Look at the tour dates he has coming up, that's nowhere near the amount of shows for Q+AL. That's if those dates go ahead, it's likely to be cancelled.

link If Freddie were here Adam wouldn't have been touring with Queen and would have been doing his own thing, doesn't matter since Queen fans wouldn't have known or cared one way or the other if that were the case, but it's not. The tour and the QAL tour are likely to be cancelled and the reason there's not that many solo ones is he hadn't finished announcing them, the USA tour was still to be put out but it's unlikely he'll do that at the moment for obvious reasons. So what if he tours more with QAL, he's a singer doing a job, makes no odds whether it's with his solo stuff or with Queen who he loves to tour with and they clearly love touring with him, the fans love it so why wouldn't he want to do that, no idea what difference it makes what he chooses to do and he has the luxury of being able to do both, any artist would love to be in that position.

MisterCosmicc wrote: I’m not going to support that untalented, ugly, loser until he starts making real music and stops with all of those horrible, ugly, dumb faces. His chin sticks out a mile, maybe we should call him Bubba Lambert like Bubba in Forrest Gump. His fans can’t even support him by buying physical copies of his album, they probably don’t like his solo work. His fans act like #1,200 on an iTunes chart is a hit! Loser digital chart positions are updated on that loser site, Adamtopia, home of Adam Worshippers. There’s reasons why Adam only attracts old, smelly, sweaty women (his words not mine). Where’s that loser, SmellyCaroline? Did she speak up about the chest hair belonging to Adam? Isn’t that pathetic? For SmellyCaroline to insult Freddie’s chest hair, when she damn knows Adam has as much chest hair as Freddie, perhaps more. SmellyCaroline is so infatuated with Adam, so patriotic, that she will lie about him to bug him up. She’s no different than the Loser Trump Worshippers that she’s always whining about. Look at the fool on YouTube begging for people to support that horrible music belonging to an ugly man.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: [ If Freddie was still here, I doubt there would be any need for Q+AL. Some of the Glamberts who stream all day long, it doesn't do much to help AL...if it helps at all. As for AL being worth that much money in 2011, I've never heard that claim before. Sure, I will say AL works his ass off, but these last few years it's been more for Q+AL than his solo music. Look at the tour dates he has coming up, that's nowhere near the amount of shows for Q+AL. That's if those dates go ahead, it's likely to be cancelled.

link If Freddie were here Adam wouldn't have been touring with Queen and would have been doing his own thing, doesn't matter since Queen fans wouldn't have known or cared one way or the other if that were the case, but it's not. The tour and the QAL tour are likely to be cancelled and the reason there's not that many solo ones is he hadn't finished announcing them, the USA tour was still to be put out but it's unlikely he'll do that at the moment for obvious reasons. So what if he tours more with QAL, he's a singer doing a job, makes no odds whether it's with his solo stuff or with Queen who he loves to tour with and they clearly love touring with him, the fans love it so why wouldn't he want to do that, no idea what difference it makes what he chooses to do and he has the luxury of being able to do both, any artist would love to be in that position.

snifflese wrote: Icy knows better than Forbes and the other financial reports that have got net worth pretty much figured out. She knows better about the bond that Freddie had with the guys and knows Adam can't have any kind of a bond with them. She knows exactly what Freddie's orientation was, better than Adam, who I am sure had long discussions with the guys about it. Icy knows all and has an opinion on everything, usually one that is definitely not mainstream!

Iron Butterfly wrote: How on earth do people find the details of a car he purchased? That link seems awfully invasive o.O. Him touring for 12 months raked him in that much money? Sorry, I doubt it. I think AL's upcoming shows will likely be cancelled...and it will be hard for him to reschedule those, especially the Vegas run. This actullay scary, because I've not seen anything like this in my lifetime. Say what you want about me, but I don't anyone to come down with illness, so it's project better if it's gonna be cancelled. AL says he can do both, it's a luxury etc, but it's obvious he's spent more time touring with Q+AL than his solo career for nearly a decade. If not for Feel Something and that letter, I'd think he is doing his solo career because he has to. I can tell New Eyes and Coming In Hot were maybe the laziest songs and videos he has ever done, IMO. One is a copy of another song, at least vocally.

SmellyCaroline wrote: Whatever happens in the future I’m happy and grateful for the five Adam solo and four QAL shows I have been able to experience over 10 years. They were all fun and totally enjoyable!

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: How on earth do people find the details of a car he purchased? That link seems awfully invasive o.O. Him touring for 12 months raked him in that much money? Sorry, I doubt it. I think AL's upcoming shows will likely be cancelled...and it will be hard for him to reschedule those, especially the Vegas run. This actullay scary, because I've not seen anything like this in my lifetime. Say what you want about me, but I don't anyone to come down with illness, so it's project better if it's gonna be cancelled. AL says he can do both, it's a luxury etc, but it's obvious he's spent more time touring with Q+AL than his solo career for nearly a decade. If not for Feel Something and that letter, I'd think he is doing his solo career because he has to. I can tell New Eyes and Coming In Hot were maybe the laziest songs and videos he has ever done, IMO. One is a copy of another song, at least vocally.

You can doubt it all you like but it's fact, he was doing three and four shows in a row with just one or two days in between and did other stuff as well, it wasn't 12 months touring it was six, He's hardly been a slouch in the money earning dept since then either, he'll have got a fair whack for the X Factor gig plus he's done private shows for birthday's etc and other stuff it's far from all QAL. And how do you think the media get hold of any information, celebs get no privacy their lives are fodder for the journo's that's how they know which house he's sold, which he's bought, how much for etc, when you list your house for sale it's online for anyone to find, not difficult for a journo to do that. Not difficult to work out the cost of a car you drive either. You obviously can't work out how much time QAL actually spend touring if you think he's done more with them and certainly not in the last two years, most of last year wasn't with QAL at all and a lot of this year is free for his own stuff as well. He's managed to fit tons of stuff in between because he loves to be busy, it's not a case of needing to do solo stuff he wants to do it and no doubt he'll be gutted when the shows are cancelled but he's in the same boat as everyone else regarding this situation so it is what it is.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SmellyCaroline wrote: Whatever happens in the future I’m happy and grateful for the five Adam solo and four QAL shows I have been able to experience over 10 years. They were all fun and totally enjoyable!

Why do you say hairy chests are ugly? Why do you ignore everyone pointing out that Adam has a hairy chest? Are you that deranged that you don’t notice his hairy chest?

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s the type who has paparazzi on speed dial so that he can notify them of his every move.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s the type who has paparazzi on speed dial so that he can notify them of his every move.

As comments go that's the most ridiculous yet, he's no fame whore and he doesn't need to be, there's paparazzi at places he goes when it's an event, the rest of the time he doesn't get papped virtually at all and is happy about that.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s the type who has paparazzi on speed dial so that he can notify them of his every move.

As comments go that's the most ridiculous yet, he's no fame whore and he doesn't need to be, there's paparazzi at places he goes when it's an event, the rest of the time he doesn't get papped virtually at all and is happy about that.

So he does this ‘just because’? Get real.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SmellyCaroline wrote: Whatever happens in the future I’m happy and grateful for the five Adam solo and four QAL shows I have been able to experience over 10 years. They were all fun and totally enjoyable!

Why do you say hairy chests are ugly? Why do you ignore everyone pointing out that Adam has a hairy chest? Are you that deranged that you don’t notice his hairy chest?

Why are you so obsessed with hairy chests yourself? Who cares whether someone likes them or not, does it matter in the scheme of things? I love them personally but I know people who can't stand them, so what, hardly a crime is it.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s the type who has paparazzi on speed dial so that he can notify them of his every move.

As comments go that's the most ridiculous yet, he's no fame whore and he doesn't need to be, there's paparazzi at places he goes when it's an event, the rest of the time he doesn't get papped virtually at all and is happy about that.

So he does this ‘just because’? Get real.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam’s the type who has paparazzi on speed dial so that he can notify them of his every move.

As comments go that's the most ridiculous yet, he's no fame whore and he doesn't need to be, there's paparazzi at places he goes when it's an event, the rest of the time he doesn't get papped virtually at all and is happy about that.

So he does this ‘just because’? Get real.

So posting something on an instagram story, something everyone on instagram does is having the paps on speed dial lol. He does stuff like that for his fans and to have a laugh, there's not much else to laugh at currently, jeez you'll make something out of absolutely every little thing the guy does, wtf is wrong with you?

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: How on earth do people find the details of a car he purchased? That link seems awfully invasive o.O. Him touring for 12 months raked him in that much money? Sorry, I doubt it. I think AL's upcoming shows will likely be cancelled...and it will be hard for him to reschedule those, especially the Vegas run. This actullay scary, because I've not seen anything like this in my lifetime. Say what you want about me, but I don't anyone to come down with illness, so it's project better if it's gonna be cancelled. AL says he can do both, it's a luxury etc, but it's obvious he's spent more time touring with Q+AL than his solo career for nearly a decade. If not for Feel Something and that letter, I'd think he is doing his solo career because he has to. I can tell New Eyes and Coming In Hot were maybe the laziest songs and videos he has ever done, IMO. One is a copy of another song, at least vocally.

You can doubt it all you like but it's fact, he was doing three and four shows in a row with just one or two days in between and did other stuff as well, it wasn't 12 months touring it was six, He's hardly been a slouch in the money earning dept since then either, he'll have got a fair whack for the X Factor gig plus he's done private shows for birthday's etc and other stuff it's far from all QAL. And how do you think the media get hold of any information, celebs get no privacy their lives are fodder for the journo's that's how they know which house he's sold, which he's bought, how much for etc, when you list your house for sale it's online for anyone to find, not difficult for a journo to do that. Not difficult to work out the cost of a car you drive either. You obviously can't work out how much time QAL actually spend touring if you think he's done more with them and certainly not in the last two years, most of last year wasn't with QAL at all and a lot of this year is free for his own stuff as well. He's managed to fit tons of stuff in between because he loves to be busy, it's not a case of needing to do solo stuff he wants to do it and no doubt he'll be gutted when the shows are cancelled but he's in the same boat as everyone else regarding this situation so it is what it is.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam hasn’t appeared on stage topless or in a onezie with his chest prominently displayed. The photo of him that was posted here previously was from a photo shoot. His hair is very light, probably strawberry blonde-ish. Freddie seemed to be very proud of displaying his dark hairy chest while performing. Adam is more modest.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: How on earth do people find the details of a car he purchased? That link seems awfully invasive o.O. Him touring for 12 months raked him in that much money? Sorry, I doubt it. I think AL's upcoming shows will likely be cancelled...and it will be hard for him to reschedule those, especially the Vegas run. This actullay scary, because I've not seen anything like this in my lifetime. Say what you want about me, but I don't anyone to come down with illness, so it's project better if it's gonna be cancelled. AL says he can do both, it's a luxury etc, but it's obvious he's spent more time touring with Q+AL than his solo career for nearly a decade. If not for Feel Something and that letter, I'd think he is doing his solo career because he has to. I can tell New Eyes and Coming In Hot were maybe the laziest songs and videos he has ever done, IMO. One is a copy of another song, at least vocally.

You can doubt it all you like but it's fact, he was doing three and four shows in a row with just one or two days in between and did other stuff as well, it wasn't 12 months touring it was six, He's hardly been a slouch in the money earning dept since then either, he'll have got a fair whack for the X Factor gig plus he's done private shows for birthday's etc and other stuff it's far from all QAL. And how do you think the media get hold of any information, celebs get no privacy their lives are fodder for the journo's that's how they know which house he's sold, which he's bought, how much for etc, when you list your house for sale it's online for anyone to find, not difficult for a journo to do that. Not difficult to work out the cost of a car you drive either. You obviously can't work out how much time QAL actually spend touring if you think he's done more with them and certainly not in the last two years, most of last year wasn't with QAL at all and a lot of this year is free for his own stuff as well. He's managed to fit tons of stuff in between because he loves to be busy, it's not a case of needing to do solo stuff he wants to do it and no doubt he'll be gutted when the shows are cancelled but he's in the same boat as everyone else regarding this situation so it is what it is.

It's not just journalists is it? Some of his fans dig for info and share it, it even happens here from time to time. Yea, let's see how much he has for his solo music concerning the way things are now, with so muche risk and so much being cancelled...already three of his major TV appreances have been cancelled. Q+AL has been the main thing for AL's career for nearly a decade now. It's been what has been filling his pockeys more than his own solo music, that's for sure.

MisterCosmicc wrote: He gets all dressed up like that just for his Instagram story? Obviously then he does it for attention.

Iron Butterfly wrote: What makes you think I'm obsessed with hairy chests? Deflecting I suppose. Thing is Freddie had a hairy chest, and AL had a hairy chest at least some of the time. SweetCaroline thinks there is nothing gorgeous about a hairy chest, even though AL had it...and showed it some of the time. So I decided to ask SweetCaroline what she thinks about AL's hairy chest...hardly an obsession. But do deflect the on me, says it all ; -).

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: What makes you think I'm obsessed with hairy chests? Deflecting I suppose. Thing is Freddie had a hairy chest, and AL had a hairy chest at least some of the time. SweetCaroline thinks there is nothing gorgeous about a hairy chest, even though AL had it...and showed it some of the time. So I decided to ask SweetCaroline what she thinks about AL's hairy chest...hardly an obsession. But do deflect the on me, says it all ; -).

Might not be an obsession if you asked once but you've repeated it over and over when it was clear she wasn't gonna answer. I've no idea what SC thinks of Adam's chest and I really don't care, it's hardly a big deal one way or the other but you seem intent on making it one it seems.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well read above and she has said what she thinks LMAO.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well read above and she has said what she thinks LMAO.

When people constantly badger you for an answer to something that isn't really answerable that's what you get. The truth is likely (and I'm just guessing here) that she finds Adam attractive but doesn't find Freddie attractive, and so what, there's tons of people in the world who are attractive to someone and not others, it's called personal taste and isn't explainable in any logical way, that's why it's called attraction and that's why you can like a feature on one person and find it a turn off on another (like a hairy chest) just like I'm sure Adam has fans who hate freckles or did before discovering him but now love them (on him) but probably still hate them on other people.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well read above and she has said what she thinks LMAO.

When people constantly badger you for an answer to something that isn't really answerable that's what you get. The truth is likely (and I'm just guessing here) that she finds Adam attractive but doesn't find Freddie attractive, and so what, there's tons of people in the world who are attractive to someone and not others, it's called personal taste and isn't explainable in any logical way, that's why it's called attraction and that's why you can like a feature on one person and find it a turn off on another (like a hairy chest) just like I'm sure Adam has fans who hate freckles or did before discovering him but now love them (on him) but probably still hate them on other people.

It really was a simple question I asked her. Not as if I asked for her personal details like she did about me, three or four times asking if I had a son. See, the difference between that? Yes she finds AL attractive...and she has a big issue about Freddie’s hairy chest. Fact, the both have shown their chests at times. She wants it your seem all is more modest than Freddie, sorry not buying that hypocrisy at all. She's clutched her pearls many times about Freddie showing his bare chest, and tries to excuse it when AL showed his. It's hypocrisy and stupid. Not really a surprise though.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well read above and she has said what she thinks LMAO.

When people constantly badger you for an answer to something that isn't really answerable that's what you get. The truth is likely (and I'm just guessing here) that she finds Adam attractive but doesn't find Freddie attractive, and so what, there's tons of people in the world who are attractive to someone and not others, it's called personal taste and isn't explainable in any logical way, that's why it's called attraction and that's why you can like a feature on one person and find it a turn off on another (like a hairy chest) just like I'm sure Adam has fans who hate freckles or did before discovering him but now love them (on him) but probably still hate them on other people.

It really was a simple question I asked her. Not as if I asked for her personal details like she did about me, three or four times asking if I had a son. See, the difference between that? Yes she finds AL attractive...and she has a big issue about Freddie’s hairy chest. Fact, the both have shown their chests at times. She wants it your seem all is more modest than Freddie, sorry not buying that hypocrisy at all. She's clutched her pearls many times about Freddie showing his bare chest, and tries to excuse it when AL showed his. It's hypocrisy and stupid. Not really a surprise though.

I was referring to cosmicc badgering her over and over about it actually.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SmellyCaroline wrote: Whatever happens in the future I’m happy and grateful for the five Adam solo and four QAL shows I have been able to experience over 10 years. They were all fun and totally enjoyable!

Why do you say hairy chests are ugly? Why do you ignore everyone pointing out that Adam has a hairy chest? Are you that deranged that you don’t notice his hairy chest?

Why are you so obsessed with hairy chests yourself? Who cares whether someone likes them or not, does it matter in the scheme of things? I love them personally but I know people who can't stand them, so what, hardly a crime is it.

SmellyCaroline wrote: Adam hasn’t appeared on stage topless or in a onezie with his chest prominently displayed. The photo of him that was posted here previously was from a photo shoot. His hair is very light, probably strawberry blonde-ish. Freddie seemed to be very proud of displaying his dark hairy chest while performing. Adam is more modest.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well read above and she has said what she thinks LMAO.

When people constantly badger you for an answer to something that isn't really answerable that's what you get. The truth is likely (and I'm just guessing here) that she finds Adam attractive but doesn't find Freddie attractive, and so what, there's tons of people in the world who are attractive to someone and not others, it's called personal taste and isn't explainable in any logical way, that's why it's called attraction and that's why you can like a feature on one person and find it a turn off on another (like a hairy chest) just like I'm sure Adam has fans who hate freckles or did before discovering him but now love them (on him) but probably still hate them on other people.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam hasn’t appeared on stage topless or in a onezie with his chest prominently displayed. The photo of him that was posted here previously was from a photo shoot. His hair is very light, probably strawberry blonde-ish. Freddie seemed to be very proud of displaying his dark hairy chest while performing. Adam is more modest.

In public at an event. Black hairy chest. Deliberate visibility.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SmellyCaroline wrote: Adam hasn’t appeared on stage topless or in a onezie with his chest prominently displayed. The photo of him that was posted here previously was from a photo shoot. His hair is very light, probably strawberry blonde-ish. Freddie seemed to be very proud of displaying his dark hairy chest while performing. Adam is more modest.

In public at an event. Black hairy chest. Deliberate visibility.

I'd get yourself an eye test if you think that's black. Not sure why SC thinks he's modest though.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam hasn’t appeared on stage topless or in a onezie with his chest prominently displayed. The photo of him that was posted here previously was from a photo shoot. His hair is very light, probably strawberry blonde-ish. Freddie seemed to be very proud of displaying his dark hairy chest while performing. Adam is more modest.

In public at an event. Black hairy chest. Deliberate visibility.

I'd get yourself an eye test if you think that's black. Not sure why SC thinks he's modest though.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well read above and she has said what she thinks LMAO.

When people constantly badger you for an answer to something that isn't really answerable that's what you get. The truth is likely (and I'm just guessing here) that she finds Adam attractive but doesn't find Freddie attractive, and so what, there's tons of people in the world who are attractive to someone and not others, it's called personal taste and isn't explainable in any logical way, that's why it's called attraction and that's why you can like a feature on one person and find it a turn off on another (like a hairy chest) just like I'm sure Adam has fans who hate freckles or did before discovering him but now love them (on him) but probably still hate them on other people.

The biggest problem here is that you can’t stop speaking for SmellyCaroline. You defend her even when she’s being a moron.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam hasn’t appeared on stage topless or in a onezie with his chest prominently displayed. The photo of him that was posted here previously was from a photo shoot. His hair is very light, probably strawberry blonde-ish. Freddie seemed to be very proud of displaying his dark hairy chest while performing. Adam is more modest.

In public at an event. Black hairy chest. Deliberate visibility.

I'd get yourself an eye test if you think that's black. Not sure why SC thinks he's modest though.

It's more auburn, and this is from someone who is looking at it via phone. Of course swre6bthinks it's modest...because she thinks for some strange reason AL is more modest than Freddie. That's joke, surely?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SmellyCaroline wrote: Adam hasn’t appeared on stage topless or in a onezie with his chest prominently displayed. The photo of him that was posted here previously was from a photo shoot. His hair is very light, probably strawberry blonde-ish. Freddie seemed to be very proud of displaying his dark hairy chest while performing. Adam is more modest.

In public at an event. Black hairy chest. Deliberate visibility.

I'd get yourself an eye test if you think that's black. Not sure why SC thinks he's modest though.

You think that hair looks blond? And you always know she thinks he’s attractive. And you know she contradicts herself when she complains about Freddie showing his chest.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well read above and she has said what she thinks LMAO.

When people constantly badger you for an answer to something that isn't really answerable that's what you get. The truth is likely (and I'm just guessing here) that she finds Adam attractive but doesn't find Freddie attractive, and so what, there's tons of people in the world who are attractive to someone and not others, it's called personal taste and isn't explainable in any logical way, that's why it's called attraction and that's why you can like a feature on one person and find it a turn off on another (like a hairy chest) just like I'm sure Adam has fans who hate freckles or did before discovering him but now love them (on him) but probably still hate them on other people.

The biggest problem here is that you can’t stop speaking for SmellyCaroline. You defend her even when she’s being a moron.

Not defending her as such I just don't see the big deal and most adults would just ignore those comments but you and butterfly are like a dog with a bone constantly questioning every little thing she says and even finding old posts in long gone threads to prove some childish point, it's tedious and IMO is done just to derail every thread. Now we have Papa fckn dickwad back here with his idiot trolling the board is just utterly fucked. And on that note I'm done, you can troll to your hearts content, won't change anything and in another year it will still be the same shit posted over and over.

snifflese wrote: I believe she says he is modest because Adam always wears layers of clothes. It is something his fans have complained about forever. He never wears anything skimpy. Even in the concert when it is hot, he has layer upon layer. The chest picture recently was a big deal, since he never really shows his body. He might wear tight pants, but there are always shirts under jackets and weird layering items. I think in all the years I can only think of one or two pics at the beach or on the water where he has long shorts on with a sleeveless tank top. There was also one of a work out kind of outfit. Then at concerts he has all the leather jackets or funny length tops with tank tops and shirts underneath. He really never shows his body for whatever reason.

SweetCaroline wrote: What a hunk !!! LOL Not lusting, icy! I think you and Mr. Cosmic are, though!

SmellyCaroline wrote: What a hunk !!! LOL Not lusting, icy! I think you and Mr. Cosmic are, though!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: What a hunk !!! LOL Not lusting, icy! I think you and Mr. Cosmic are, though!

And there you how again, you can't help it can you? You do lust over AL, you even started a thread about how good looking you think he is? What is that, if not lusting? What about all the times you have gone on about how he looks? I don't lust over any celebrity...I like who I like because of their talent...I don't think you do.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: What a hunk !!! LOL Not lusting, icy! I think you and Mr. Cosmic are, though!

And there you how again, you can't help it can you? You do lust over AL, you even started a thread about how good looking you think he is? What is that, if not lusting? What about all the times you have gone on about how he looks? I don't lust over any celebrity...I like who I like because of their talent...I don't think you do.

Can you imagine it? She’s probably got SMELLY fingers right now due to the photo you just posted! LOL. Old SMELLY Caroline!

snifflese wrote: This is officially the loony bin. I have never seen anything more pathetic and sad.

snifflese wrote: You must live in some kind of an alternate reality.

SmellyCaroline wrote: Were there people fainting at concerts when Freddie performed sans shirt? I think that would happen if Adam ever did that! LOL

SweetCaroline wrote: Were there people fainting at concerts when Freddie performed sans shirt? I think that would happen if Adam ever did that! LOL

Freddie Jupiter wrote: A fat, shirtless Adam lambert is truly the stuff of nightmares. What is wrong with some people?

Freddie Jupiter wrote: A fat, shirtless Adam lambert is truly the stuff of nightmares. What is wrong with some people?

Freddie Jupiter wrote: What makes you think that I don't like roger? Actually I've got nothing against roger, and John. My main issue with Brian is his poor behaviour, and the way he ruined his and the band's mystique with his sometimes insane social media posts and by employing a fat karaoke singer to sing Freddus' songs while telling everyone how much better he is than Freddus. Plus the way he depicted Freddus and the entire band dynamic in the movie also irks me. That's pretty much it.

AngelR wrote: Roger's got a closer relationship with Adam than Brian.

snifflese wrote: I read somewhere that they actually play more of Brian's and Roger's songs than Freddies in the show.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: I read somewhere that they actually play more of Brian's and Roger's songs than Freddies in the show.

Around 50/50 Freddie and Brian. No different than before. Roger gets around 3 of his compositions in per concert... hardly what I’d consider more songs than Freddie. You don’t know who wrote what?

snifflese wrote: If you add Brian's and Roger's songs together (and maybe John's also) they amount to more than half of the concert. I have read that in several places last year. I haven't bothered to check, as I don't care, but I did read this and it wasn't just a poster's comment, so I assume it is true. Why does it bother you that my fav songs are ones that Brian wrote? I didn't necessarily know, but I have looked up some of them and oddly enough quite a few of my all time favs are Brian's. The band wasn't just Freddie, just so you know. It sounds as if you guys think the whole catalog and everything good about Queen was due to Freddie. I happen to disagree. The other three had lots of input and Brian wrote a lot of songs and they all worked together to make them Queen music. Freddie was not a solo act and when he was, that wasn't the greatest! It took all four of them to become what they are today. I bet if any one of them had been missing, it wouldn't have been Queen.

Young Music Fan wrote: Adam haters "there's nothing you can do no there's nothing you can do about it". I really don't know what you are trying to achieve or change but AL has been with Queen for nearly nine years, and now their biggest tour to date has sold out showing there is huge demand this time compared to their other tours. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others do too. He's the bloody singer, you wouldn't go to a two hour concert if you didn't like the singer. Just deal with the fact that there's more support for AL than disapproval. Many fans probably wouldn't want to admit they are fans because they wouldn't haters to give them stick for it. Who blames them? Some of you are being absolute twats and are posting some idiotic, childish images and text just to prove you hate him which we already know about several hundred times.

snifflese wrote: If you add Brian's and Roger's songs together (and maybe John's also) they amount to more than half of the concert. I have read that in several places last year. I haven't bothered to check, as I don't care, but I did read this and it wasn't just a poster's comment, so I assume it is true. Why does it bother you that my fav songs are ones that Brian wrote? I didn't necessarily know, but I have looked up some of them and oddly enough quite a few of my all time favs are Brian's. The band wasn't just Freddie, just so you know. It sounds as if you guys think the whole catalog and everything good about Queen was due to Freddie. I happen to disagree. The other three had lots of input and Brian wrote a lot of songs and they all worked together to make them Queen music. Freddie was not a solo act and when he was, that wasn't the greatest! It took all four of them to become what they are today. I bet if any one of them had been missing, it wouldn't have been Queen.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Sniffy keeps coming in here replying to posts 10 days later, acting as if it's old news, when it was posted currently. She also keeps claiming people are saying things which they did not. Her Adam Worshippers behavior is getting the best of her. Which is terrible during times like these.

Young Music Fan wrote: Adam haters "there's nothing you can do no there's nothing you can do about it". I really don't know what you are trying to achieve or change but AL has been with Queen for nearly nine years, and now their biggest tour to date has sold out showing there is huge demand this time compared to their other tours. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others do too. He's the bloody singer, you wouldn't go to a two hour concert if you didn't like the singer. Just deal with the fact that there's more support for AL than disapproval. Many fans probably wouldn't want to admit they are fans because they wouldn't haters to give them stick for it. Who blames them? Some of you are being absolute twats and are posting some idiotic, childish images and text just to prove you hate him which we already know about several hundred times.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

snifflese wrote: If you add Brian's and Roger's songs together (and maybe John's also) they amount to more than half of the concert. I have read that in several places last year. I haven't bothered to check, as I don't care, but I did read this and it wasn't just a poster's comment, so I assume it is true. Why does it bother you that my fav songs are ones that Brian wrote? I didn't necessarily know, but I have looked up some of them and oddly enough quite a few of my all time favs are Brian's. The band wasn't just Freddie, just so you know. It sounds as if you guys think the whole catalog and everything good about Queen was due to Freddie. I happen to disagree. The other three had lots of input and Brian wrote a lot of songs and they all worked together to make them Queen music. Freddie was not a solo act and when he was, that wasn't the greatest! It took all four of them to become what they are today. I bet if any one of them had been missing, it wouldn't have been Queen.

Gosh, the amount of twisting you do, you must be in knots. Oh you haven't bothered to check, but try to defend anyways right. Who has said Queen was only Freddie? No one I remember has ever posted that. Was Freddie a huge, driving force of Queen, yes he sure was and always will be. I wonder if you every heard Freddie's Barcelona album? I doubt it, because if you did, you would know that's great. The amount of times you harp on about AL and opera, maybe you should listen to Barcelona, before you spew that Freddie's solo music wasn't that great. Ofor course, you try to knock Freddie down to make AL and Q+AL look better.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

snifflese wrote: If you add Brian's and Roger's songs together (and maybe John's also) they amount to more than half of the concert. I have read that in several places last year. I haven't bothered to check, as I don't care, but I did read this and it wasn't just a poster's comment, so I assume it is true. Why does it bother you that my fav songs are ones that Brian wrote? I didn't necessarily know, but I have looked up some of them and oddly enough quite a few of my all time favs are Brian's. The band wasn't just Freddie, just so you know. It sounds as if you guys think the whole catalog and everything good about Queen was due to Freddie. I happen to disagree. The other three had lots of input and Brian wrote a lot of songs and they all worked together to make them Queen music. Freddie was not a solo act and when he was, that wasn't the greatest! It took all four of them to become what they are today. I bet if any one of them had been missing, it wouldn't have been Queen.

Gosh, the amount of twisting you do, you must be in knots. Oh you haven't bothered to check, but try to defend anyways right. Who has said Queen was only Freddie? No one I remember has ever posted that. Was Freddie a huge, driving force of Queen, yes he sure was and always will be. I wonder if you every heard Freddie's Barcelona album? I doubt it, because if you did, you would know that's great. The amount of times you harp on about AL and opera, maybe you should listen to Barcelona, before you spew that Freddie's solo music wasn't that great. Ofor course, you try to knock Freddie down to make AL and Q+AL look better.

Well before Freddie died, Mr. Bad Guy alone sold more in those few years than Adam's entire catologue in his past eleven years of album making.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

snifflese wrote: If you add Brian's and Roger's songs together (and maybe John's also) they amount to more than half of the concert. I have read that in several places last year. I haven't bothered to check, as I don't care, but I did read this and it wasn't just a poster's comment, so I assume it is true. Why does it bother you that my fav songs are ones that Brian wrote? I didn't necessarily know, but I have looked up some of them and oddly enough quite a few of my all time favs are Brian's. The band wasn't just Freddie, just so you know. It sounds as if you guys think the whole catalog and everything good about Queen was due to Freddie. I happen to disagree. The other three had lots of input and Brian wrote a lot of songs and they all worked together to make them Queen music. Freddie was not a solo act and when he was, that wasn't the greatest! It took all four of them to become what they are today. I bet if any one of them had been missing, it wouldn't have been Queen.

Gosh, the amount of twisting you do, you must be in knots. Oh you haven't bothered to check, but try to defend anyways right. Who has said Queen was only Freddie? No one I remember has ever posted that. Was Freddie a huge, driving force of Queen, yes he sure was and always will be. I wonder if you every heard Freddie's Barcelona album? I doubt it, because if you did, you would know that's great. The amount of times you harp on about AL and opera, maybe you should listen to Barcelona, before you spew that Freddie's solo music wasn't that great. Ofor course, you try to knock Freddie down to make AL and Q+AL look better.

Well before Freddie died, Mr. Bad Guy alone sold more in those few years than Adam's entire catologue in his past eleven years of album making.

And Freddie did all that without his fans sitting on their asses streaming and streaming just to try to boost the numbers. Some Glamberts should really STFU before they mouth of about Freddie's music not being great. I don't think snifflese has any clue about Freddie’s solo music. She really it clear as ,long as it's Lambert singing thread songs, is what matters the most to her. She doesn't care about who wrote what, or any history of Freddie and or Queen. Freddie's Mr Bad Guy album, is IMO, over land beyond anything AL ever managed to do solo wise. Likely career wise too, Freddie had the guts to step away and do his own thing with a very different type of music. AL has been riding coattails of Queen's and Freddie's music for nearly a decade now. Being asked to do covers and doing covers of other people's albums with mediocre music, that's not so great, in my opinion. We will see how AL's music does or have some idea of how things are by this time next week. I'm sure it will be the same old Glamberts begging and nagging fellow fans to spin, spin, spin to try to boost his numbers. Even that won't help him long term. Snifflese is herehere want to come by and post Freddie was off putting and his solo music wasn't all great, ehIle trying to big up Lambert? GTFO.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: When a song is credited to him as a co-writer what that reality means is that he employed people to write a song for him to sing.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: The reason Adam never wrote a song all by himself is because he can't. When a song is credited to him as a co-writer what that reality means is that he employed people to write a song for him to sing. Adam is not a writer, or a composer; he's a glorified karaoke singer -- also he's fat,

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Bullshit. He pays people to write songs for him. If he is such a great songwriter/composer why doesn't he wrote a whole song from scratch all by himself like Freddus did many, many times. Don't be naive, and don't fall for modern marketing tactics. Lamebird is nothing more than a glorified karaoke singer -- also he's fat.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam spent millions and millions of dollars on his album and videos, that's normal. It costs millions per song, especially with Adam's co-writers. I've always noticed with Queen fans enjoy collecting physical product. Why can't Adam fans do the same? I mean, I feel like buying Adam's album when it's on vinyl just to help support him. It's that crazy. Freddie wrote his whole Mr. Bad Guy album by himself. Not one co-writer. Adam to this day has never released a song written by just him. The worst of it is that Adam Worshippers says, "The people who write songs with Adam are his friends." No, they are acquaintances, and they charge him for the time.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam spent millions and millions of dollars on his album and videos, that's normal. It costs millions per song, especially with Adam's co-writers. I've always noticed with Queen fans enjoy collecting physical product. Why can't Adam fans do the same? I mean, I feel like buying Adam's album when it's on vinyl just to help support him. It's that crazy. Freddie wrote his whole Mr. Bad Guy album by himself. Not one co-writer. Adam to this day has never released a song written by just him. The worst of it is that Adam Worshippers says, "The people who write songs with Adam are his friends." No, they are acquaintances, and they charge him for the time.

You've no idea how much he spent so it's utterly pointless to keep saying that. A lot of adam's fans do buy physical copies of his music but you seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that most of the top charting artists have very few actual physical sales but their streaming numbers put them in the chart anyway, it's not about what they earn as everyone knows it's peanuts but streaming is the way things have gone so to keep going on about why people don't buy physical copies is equally pointless when tons of people never buy music except as downloads. A lot of the co-writers are his friends but regardless I'm sure he pays them just the same and what difference does it make anyway, why do you keep harping on him writing something totally alone, what difference does it make who writes the songs? Who cares if Freddie wrote Mr Bad Guy on his own, why should that make any difference to what Adam does on his own music?

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL writes with his friends, so much for branching out, I guess. What I'd love to see AL do, is write a song by himself and his own...and only his own...thoughts and emotions on paper to see what he may come up with. I'd have more respect for him if he tried that.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Bullshit. He pays people to write songs for him. If he is such a great songwriter/composer why doesn't he wrote a whole song from scratch all by himself like Freddus did many, many times. Don't be naive, and don't fall for modern marketing tactics. Lamebird is nothing more than a glorified karaoke singer -- also he's fat.

Vocal harmony wrote:

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Bullshit. He pays people to write songs for him. If he is such a great songwriter/composer why doesn't he wrote a whole song from scratch all by himself like Freddus did many, many times. Don't be naive, and don't fall for modern marketing tactics. Lamebird is nothing more than a glorified karaoke singer -- also he's fat.

The bullshit is all yours. You obviously have no idea how royalty payments work and song writing credits are divided. If he had paid a flat fee for a song from a writer he would become the owner of the song so could credit the song to himself. To my knowledge he never has. If a songs credits say Lambert/Smith it mean Lambert and Mr Smith wrote it. Now take your bullshit and throw it around somewhere else.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Vocal harmony wrote:

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Bullshit. He pays people to write songs for him. If he is such a great songwriter/composer why doesn't he wrote a whole song from scratch all by himself like Freddus did many, many times. Don't be naive, and don't fall for modern marketing tactics. Lamebird is nothing more than a glorified karaoke singer -- also he's fat.

The bullshit is all yours. You obviously have no idea how royalty payments work and song writing credits are divided. If he had paid a flat fee for a song from a writer he would become the owner of the song so could credit the song to himself. To my knowledge he never has. If a songs credits say Lambert/Smith it mean Lambert and Mr Smith wrote it. Now take your bullshit and throw it around somewhere else.

Songwriters tend to bill artists for their time in the studio while writing and recording the track, and then they get royalties after that as well. It’s crazy that the ones Adam hires also write songs for Britney Spears. You don’t have to be honest with credits, either. Considering Adam needs so many writers on most of his songs, they work on the lyrics too. I’d bet anything that Adam’s job in terms of song writing is the concept and then approval of new lyrics.

rockchic65 wrote: Why should he want to do that when he's not a musician? (...)

Sealion wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: Why should he want to do that when he's not a musician? (...)

Lambert is a singer. Every singer is a musician. Ergo Lambert is a musician. That’s a fact.

rockchic65 wrote:

Sealion wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: Why should he want to do that when he's not a musician? (...)

Lambert is a singer. Every singer is a musician. Ergo Lambert is a musician. That’s a fact.

Well I meant he doesn't play any instruments but yeah I class singers as musicians but many don't.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL writes with his friends, so much for branching out, I guess. What I'd love to see AL do, is write a song by himself and his own...and only his own...thoughts and emotions on paper to see what he may come up with. I'd have more respect for him if he tried that.

Why should he want to do that when he's not a musician? He'd have to write it on computer without real instruments alone in a room, doesn't sound much fun for someone who's essentially an extremely social person who loves nothing more than spending his time with friends. He's a collaborator, it's his favourite thing to do, he likes to be around people that's what inspires him, no idea why it matters which way he writes the songs and what's "so much for branching out" supposed to mean? He previously worked with big names like Max Martin and a team of writers he'd never met before, hardly the same as writing with friends who he has a relationship with or people hand picked because he admires their previous work and can collaborate with on his own terms. He spends long periods of time on the road away from family and friends, why should he spend time away from them when he's home as well? He's living his life the way he wants, working the way he wants and having fun doing it, that's how he puts his own thoughts and emotions into the songs, they're his real experiences or experiences he's seen friends go through. There's no right or wrong way to be creative and no one should be held to someone else's idea of what they should be doing. And I'm assuming you have no respect at all for Elvis or Frank Sinatra if you base respect on writing their own songs since neither wrote their own music.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Oh, he is not a musician...your words not mine ;-). I doubt AL would be able to write a song by himself, let alone put it on an album.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Oh, he is not a musician...your words not mine ;-). I doubt AL would be able to write a song by himself, let alone put it on an album.

I actually wrote he's not a musician knowing it would be jumped on if I called him one but refer to Sealion's post above as you can clearly see from the definition he is, he's not an instrumentalist which is different. Either way he couldn't write a song by himself unless done on computer which is clearly not what he wants to do. What's the big deal about writing songs on your own?

Iron Butterfly wrote: Why does he need a computer to be able to write a song? Sheesh, what did Queen do before the internet etc, , writing on rocks or something *sarcasm*. AL couldn't write a song unless done a computer so you say.that's how reliant he is on technology, pen and paper not good enough, I guess.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Why does he need a computer to be able to write a song? Sheesh, what did Queen do before the internet etc, , writing on rocks or something *sarcasm*. AL couldn't write a song unless done a computer so you say.that's how reliant he is on technology, pen and paper not good enough, I guess.

Well darn lets see now, oh yeah that's it, the guys in Queen all play instruments and at the risk of repeating myself yet again Adam doesn't ergo to write a song you need a melody and music ergo you need to be an instrumentalist or use computerised instruments. Just how do you think someone can fit words into a song without any kind of melody line or composition? He could sit and write songs all day long but once he tried to fit music to them he'd soon see they wouldn't work and have to rewrite them. In case you don't believe me watch the Queen vid making of One Vision, see Freddie trying to fit Roger's words to the music and see how much the song ended up being changed.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have extended family members who are in bands, write songs. The one who usually writes the songs doesn't need computers to be able to write songs. You said all needs a computer not me, and you can't tell me that he has been reliant on technology for most of his music so far.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have extended family members who are in bands, write songs. The one who usually writes the songs doesn't need computers to be able to write songs. You said all needs a computer not me, and you can't tell me that he has been reliant on technology for most of his music so far.

And does this family member write songs without any music whatsoever and doesn't play an instrument or write on a computer program? I didn't say he needs a computer at all I said if he wanted to write MUSIC and not just lyrics he would need to use computerised instruments since he doesn't play any, which part of that do you not understand? He hasn't been reliant on technology since he hasn't written music on his own, the whole point of collaborating is to get musicians together and not use a computer. Yes there's some EDM on his older songs but that's not the same thing and is done by producers.

SweetCaroline wrote: Yes, the mental juveniles will carry on for another 10 pages! They will probably crash this site, too, like they did at QOL with their pages and pages of anti Adam crap, bashing of Brian and Roger, closing down and deleting threads, banning new posters and on and on! I don’t think Freddie would approve!

snifflese wrote: It is def. in the realm of possibility. She doesn't name you specifically, so do you have a guilty conscience? Geez, Icy, leave well enough alone and find something else to chat about. No one cares about your s... stirring, as you do most of the heavy lifting yourself. To blame it on others is beyond ridiculous.

snifflese wrote: It is def. in the realm of possibility. She doesn't name you specifically, so do you have a guilty conscience? Geez, Icy, leave well enough alone and find something else to chat about. No one cares about your s... stirring, as you do most of the heavy lifting yourself. To blame it on others is beyond ridiculous.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: It is def. in the realm of possibility. She doesn't name you specifically, so do you have a guilty conscience? Geez, Icy, leave well enough alone and find something else to chat about. No one cares about your s... stirring, as you do most of the heavy lifting yourself. To blame it on others is beyond ridiculous.

Speak for yourself and the other four Adam Lambert worshippers in the world. Plenty people care about what she writes, and it’s not shit stirring.

snifflese wrote: I never make a remark that is fun to read or informational

snifflese wrote: Nobody cares about stupid crap like this. Go fight your windmills somewhere else as it is not at all interesting. Can you ever make a remark that is fun to read or informational?

snifflese wrote: You are just too clever for your own good, but not really that clever or you wouldn't be Icy's little sycophant!

snifflese wrote: Nobody cares about stupid crap like this. Go fight your windmills somewhere else as it is not at all interesting. Can you ever make a remark that is fun to read or informational?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: Nobody cares about stupid crap like this. Go fight your windmills somewhere else as it is not at all interesting. Can you ever make a remark that is fun to read or informational?

Speak for yourself for the hundredth time.

snifflese wrote: As long as someone like you is never on my side, I will be just fine. Truthfully, I cannot recall ever seeing or hearing people talking about others being on their side. No wonder you get into fights with everyone. Little kids worry about who is on their side, but I have never really heard that from any adults unless they were in politics or something. You don't have to be on anyone's side, the best thing to do is get along as well as you can with everyone. But that concept is not in your wheelhouse I guess. You simply like to fight with everyone, snicker at them and just derail any conversation that might get started here. Then you get on the bigging up, s.. stirring, gloating, lying and lusting train. Do you see a weird pattern here, because I sure do.

GrowUpGlamberts wrote:I'm genuinely curious as to what SweetCaroline would say about this.

brENsKi wrote:

GrowUpGlamberts wrote:I'm genuinely curious as to what SweetCaroline would say about this.

she's too busy replying to herself in the Trump Thread