Supersonic_Man89 25.03.2018 19:48 |
Post your own Queen Mysteries for others to solve (Most probably Sebastian) Was A Kind of Magic before One Vision? So the story we were told was that, inspired by Live Aid... Freddie rang the band up in July/August 1985 and said let's record... Roger brings the idea of One Vision to the table, they work on it and then release it a couple of months later, having recorded the video for it in September 1985. They then watch the early version of Highlander, Roger likes the phrase 'A Kind of Magic' and writes a song based around it in or after September 1986. However, the 2011 deluxe edition shows a hybrid A Kind of Vision...which although doesn't contain the aforementioned lyric - it does a huge skeleton of the 1986 song featured. Basically, it's a hell of a lot closer to AKOM rather than One Vision. So does this suggest that Freddie rang the band up excitedly, and Roger brings essentially AKOM to the table...which for whatever reason, doesn't really work...so then they abandon it, essentially go back to the drawing board and then develop One Vision with an entirely different riff, structure, lyrics etc. but they keep one thing and that's the words 'One Vision'. Which is possibly why the band credited the song to themselves as a group because although Roger brought to the table One Vision...those words were meant for an entirely different song, and he couldn't claim writing credit for a song because of two words? Then after the Highlander showing, Roger remembers the abandoned One Vision reject song and adds 'A Kind of Magic' to it, goes away on holiday and Freddie adds a few things to it and eventually makes it the song it is today over the next few months? Sorry if this is kind of 'well....duh' info, i just never really thought about it before and felt it was interesting that AKOM was the original 'Live Aid' inspired song. |
mooghead 25.03.2018 20:37 |
The version of Under Pressure on Classic Queen? Who? Why? When? It is amazing. Make those people do the same thing to Jazz! |
Golden Salmon 26.03.2018 10:59 |
What if it's just a coincidence? I think Roger tends to say "a kind of" and "fun" a lot, and when he heard "A kind of magic" he of course loved it :-P Then they probably had some rough musical ideas that they finally built around newly composed lyrics. |
The Ghost of Lester Burnham 26.03.2018 19:40 |
My mystery is, who's playing bass on the acoustic take of 'Who Needs You'? If John is on acoustic guitar, and Brian is playing maracas (as he does on the released recording), is that Roger? |
antiden 26.03.2018 19:42 |
I always wondered, why Freddie had changed the last line of "Brighton Rock" final segment for live performances? Instead of "If my lady should discover how I spent my holiday" he always sang "If my MOTHER should discover how I spent my holiday"... |
Golden Salmon 26.03.2018 20:25 |
antiden wrote: I always wondered, why Freddie had changed the last line of "Brighton Rock" final segment for live performances? Instead of "If my lady should discover how I spent my holiday" he always sang "If my MOTHER should discover how I spent my holiday"...That's easy! He didn't have a lady :-P |
Cruella de Vil 27.03.2018 01:06 |
The Ghost of Lester Burnham wrote: "My mystery is, who's playing bass on the acoustic take of 'Who Needs You'? If John is on acoustic guitar, and Brian is playing maracas (as he does on the released recording), is that Roger?" No, Roger is on maracasa. So, it could be either Brian on acoustic with John on bass, or, John on acoustic and he then laid down his bass guitar after the basic track was laid down. |
Jimmy Dean 27.03.2018 04:31 |
mooghead wrote: The version of Under Pressure on Classic Queen? Who? Why? When? It is amazing. Make those people do the same thing to Jazz!more than 25 years have passed... no one's figured it out? keep me posted!! |
thomasquinn 32989 27.03.2018 05:28 |
Golden Salmon wrote:The "lady" refers to the employer of the Jenny-character, who appears to be a domestic servant.antiden wrote: I always wondered, why Freddie had changed the last line of "Brighton Rock" final segment for live performances? Instead of "If my lady should discover how I spent my holiday" he always sang "If my MOTHER should discover how I spent my holiday"...That's easy! He didn't have a lady :-P |
dysan 27.03.2018 06:39 |
A little Little people peephole magic. |
Barry Durex 27.03.2018 13:19 |
mooghead wrote: The version of Under Pressure on Classic Queen? Who? Why? When? It is amazing. Make those people do the same thing to Jazz!What's different about that version then? |
Holly2003 27.03.2018 13:31 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: The "lady" refers to the employer of the Jenny-character, who appears to be a domestic servant.Maybe. But the song is written mainly from Jimmy's pov. I think the "lady" is Jimmy's stay-at-home girlfriend who would be shocked to read Jenny's love letters. So BR has a sting in the tail: Jimmy's a love rat! |
*goodco* 27.03.2018 17:14 |
Barry Durex wrote:from queenvault.commooghead wrote: The version of Under Pressure on Classic Queen? Who? Why? When? It is amazing. Make those people do the same thing to Jazz!What's different about that version then? [This remix is very close to the final album version. The bass lines seem to be a bit more prominent in the mix and the overall sound is a little less muddy. Freddie singing "that's okay!" has been removed right before Bowie sings, "it's the terror of knowing..." It is unknown who did this remix. It is rumored that this is actually an old mix from around the Hot Space time period.] link There is also a more pronounced 'people on streets' near the end.....and yes, it does sound better than the album version. Indeed, 'Jazz' would benefit from this type of 'fix' |
Barry Durex 27.03.2018 17:25 |
Ah, right. I was thinking Classic Queen VHS release. |
dysan 27.03.2018 17:45 |
It would be nice to know it's history. A contemporary HS remix would be very interesting - as would a new mix to freshen it up after Ice Ice Baby was a hit. Either way I think I'm right in saying it was included, perhaps erroneously, with no fanfare. I'd say Bowie wanted it remixed if it was going to be on a new release. It's telling that his early releases to include it only include the remix. I'm guessing the clue is in the guitar part - Brian played a new line on the 1991 innuendo tour while jamming which is not on the original, but does appear on the remix. Maybe it was remixed ahead of GH2 with a view to releasing it as a single but not included for whatever reason - Freddie's Death made sure Bo Rhap was reissued - in the same way the Rah mix was done for GH3. This was, of course, the early days of Queen jumping on every opportunistic cash in they could think of. Ice Ice Baby was still very much fresh in the minds of their accountants when GH2 and GH3 rolled around. |
ggo1 27.03.2018 17:45 |
The Classic Queen version also has rogers voice quite high in the mix at the end doesn't it? |
Ivo-1976 27.03.2018 19:36 |
@dysan 1991 Innuendo Tour? I missed that one. |
FinalDestination 27.03.2018 20:18 |
@Ivo I think dysan means the US Radio Tour made by Brian to promote Innuendo in the US. He played some very nice jams on those...and Under Pressure was one of the songs featured. |
dysan 27.03.2018 20:55 |
Yes indeed |
Martin Packer 28.03.2018 09:19 |
The One Vision / AKOM discussion just reminds us how mucky and untidy creating things is. Fascinating, of course. |
dysan 28.03.2018 15:25 |
Yep - we should be very happy that stuff like that is available from such a normally guarded band. |
IanR 29.03.2018 04:57 |
A few questions to ponder over: -- Did Mike Crossly play the keyboard parts for the MIH version of 'My Life Has Been Saved'? The opening piano part sounds, to my ears, similar to his playing on 'Happiness?'. Seems to me Deaky may have liked the track enough to have it on 'The Miracle', and given MIHs theme of 'birth, life, love & death' it fitted here perfectly. I'd wager it was one of the tracks worked on in 1993. ____________________________________________ -- Was Keep Yourself Alive written (lyrically at least) as early as 1966 (or even earlier)? Fred's introduction in the March '73 suggests so: "Right now, we'd like to do a number written by Brian when he was a little teenage boy. Do you know what that one is? It's a little message to all of you that have come here tonight. All it says is. Keep Yourself Alive!" ____________________________________________ -- Did John re-record the bass part of 'Heaven For Everyone', based on Erdal Kizilcay's part for the Shove It! version? Or did the original line survive through to the final MIH reworking? |
dysan 29.03.2018 07:19 |
All good questions. RE KYA - I think they always exaggerated the past, especially in those days. I think it was a tongue in cheek reference to the fact it was an old one in their set? You never know though it certainly could've been that old. Brian would always reference the first album when they did songs off it in the mid 70s along the lines of 'years ago' or 'I hope you remember..'. Well yeah Brian we do, the first album was only 3 years ago. Good evidence that time is speeding up these days. |
Dr Magus 29.03.2018 10:27 |
Is there a version of The Call with Freddie on vocals? Is there a version of Lambert's Lament with Freddie on vocals? Is there a version of Freddie On Vocals with Freddie on vocals? I can only dream. |
blueroom 31.03.2018 01:29 |
Re: Lady vs mother in Brighton Rock: If you sing "mother" instead of lady it pairs well with the rest of the line (if my MOTHER should disCOVER how I spent my holiday...) Maybe Freddie just decided it was more fun to sing that way? |
Supersonic_Man89 04.04.2018 00:22 |
Why does Freddie claim the band never followed trends....when they clearly did. Obvious examples being NOTW, Hot Space and The Miracle...but i think nearly every album had tracks which you can tell were influenced by what was popular at the time. Why did Roger slam Delilah as much as he did, saying that he hated the cat song and that it shouldn't feature on the album in public interviews whilst promoting the album and whilst his friend was months away from passing? I love it for his honesty, but i also feel bad because he knew the state Freddie was in at the time. |
dudeofqueen 04.04.2018 08:56 |
Supersonic_Man89, re: >Why did Roger slam Delilah as much as he did Because it's a complete and utter pile of *SHIT* that has no place on anything other than a solo project. |
Golden Salmon 04.04.2018 10:42 |
IanR wrote: -- Did John re-record the bass part of 'Heaven For Everyone', based on Erdal Kizilcay's part for the Shove It! version? Or did the original line survive through to the final MIH reworking?I can't look at the credits right now, but my best guess is that they pretty much re-recorded anything done by any other musicians. No idea what guests might have played in MIH since I never really looked at the credits, so I might as well be wrong, but then again they wouldn't want to pay for someone else's work when they could do it just fine or better. dudeofqueen wrote: Supersonic_Man89, re: >Why did Roger slam Delilah as much as he did Because it's a complete and utter pile of *SHIT* that has no place on anything other than a solo project."Let the dying man have his song about his f*cking cat" is probably the thought that went through everyone back in the day. I don't hate it or anything, but I can understand the cynicism. |
bucsateflon 04.04.2018 19:37 |
Why Freddie did not want to sing "Mustapha" on tours? when clearly the audience wanted. Why John threw his bass guitar at the end of Kneborth '86? Where is the missing fourth Bugatti Atlantic? |
*goodco* 04.04.2018 21:02 |
bucsateflon wrote: Why Freddie did not want to sing "Mustapha" on tours? when clearly the audience wanted.They did during the entire 'Game / (Flash Gordon) ' tour link |