| RadioDaDa 12.02.2018 21:29 |
Let me apologize before hand . It seems when you write a post that may have been discussed here in the past it angers some. With that being said, a few people here in other forums said Barbara had bad mouthed Freddie in the press. I have searched and haven’t seen anything. Can someone please tell me where, when and what was said? |
| runner_70 12.02.2018 21:35 |
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| runner_70 12.02.2018 21:36 |
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| runner_70 12.02.2018 21:37 |
She was the first to sell her Story to the press after Freddie died. And she lead him on a bad path in MUnich too. never liked her |
| c.jory 12.02.2018 23:10 |
In a 1990s Daily Mirror interview, she claimed Freddie tried to throttle her in a trance, while she was asleep. The only source for it is here, and unfortunately, the photos of the real article have expired: link Later Valentin retracted this in Lesley Ann Jones' book, but replaced it with tales of them having drug-fueled orgies together. She has also been quoted claiming he tried to drown her, because he was jealous of the man shampooing her, but then later changed her story to say he slapped her, that it was 'wonderful' and like 'a bunch of roses'. All this despite the fact nobody close to Freddie believes they were sexually involved. Again this is not a primary source, merely someone's transcriptions from a collection of BV articles, but it shows the 'shampooing story' - with the slap instead of the attempted drowning in the previous version(!) and also a fresh claim that he sometimes throttled OTHER people, as well as her, complete with crazy eyes and 'blue' skin LMAO!: link Also Peter Freestone mentions in his second book, 'Freddie Mercury: What He Left Behind' the reason why Freddie temporarily cut Barbara out of his life from '85-'87: she was telling her gossip columnist friend she was getting married to him, among other stories and he was sick of it; he felt he couldn't trust her anymore. People get annoyed with her because kiss-and-tell stories to tabloid hacks after someone's died is disrespectful. Also her stories tend not to fit with other witnesses'. Personally I think she was a narcissistic fantasist, whose mind was addled by drugs. |
| c.jory 12.02.2018 23:11 |
Reinhold Mack can't stand her also. He often makes comments about the negative impact she had on him in interviews. |
| RadioDaDa 13.02.2018 00:51 |
Thank you All |
| fullstop 13.02.2018 04:06 |
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| people on streets 13.02.2018 07:20 |
captainjory wrote: Personally I think she was a narcissistic fantasist, whose mind was addled by drugs.My thoughts exactly |
| RadioDaDa 13.02.2018 12:05 |
Captain. I love Freddie. But to play devils advocate here for a moment , throughout his life he has been surrounded by good people as well as bad. I think he liked the combo of both. I know people hate barbera but she was a part of his life. Close enough to be part of that garden lodge group of personal friends. Whatever she did afterwards is a shame but I also know not to believe tabloid papers. Every interview I’ve ever seen of her, most of them after death was all about the love for him. |
| Jazz 78 13.02.2018 15:42 |
She was at Garden Lodge when he celebrated his last big birthday in 1990 so there was still some sort of contact at least at that point. |
| RadioDaDa 13.02.2018 15:53 |
Yes jazz. Besides the tabloid paper posted here, you can’t find anything of barbera bad mouthing him. I’m not saying it didn’t happen but it’s not very well documented |
| c.jory 14.02.2018 00:27 |
What about the interview she did for the Lesley Ann Jones book? That is not a tabloid. Not much of an upgrade to be honest, but it's not from a gossip rag. Also the things Peter Freestone says she did were not from a tabloid. I said Freddie 'temporarily' cut her from his life from '85-'87, which is why there are would be photos of them together from '87-'90. But she wasn't one of the people he wanted to share his last months with, which she explains herself in an interview in the week following his death (it's on Youtube but it's in German) and she wasn't invited to the funeral. I'd argue she wasn't that significant in his life because their close friendship barely lasted two years before a falling out, then after that, she seemed to be demoted to a casual friend, who occasionally came to stay. She wasn't one of his inner circle and he never discussed having AIDS with her. He didn't even leave her his half of a flat he helped her purchase in his will. She was basically a female Paul Prenter. I always wonder why people rip into Paul, but not her, when they essentially did the same thing to Freddie (bad influence, going to the press blah blah). At least Paul had a job and function within his management circle. She was just there to party and do coke with. Oh and not call an ambulance when he was ill. Irresponsible heap. |
| reesefallon 14.02.2018 00:41 |
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| musicland munich 14.02.2018 01:25 |
captainjory wrote: But she wasn't one of the people he wanted to share his last months with, which she explains herself in an interview in the week following his death (it's on Youtube but it's in German) and she wasn't invited to the funeral.I 've translated that bit here link And you know how QUEEN fans do best - A YT user already ripped me off :) |
| RadioDaDa 14.02.2018 02:45 |
Thank you for that musicland!! Captainjory- im still reading Peters first book and have to get the other books. Seen some interviews Peter gave of her, I haven’t herd him say anything bad |
| runner_70 14.02.2018 05:48 |
I dont know if Peter is much better. He is msking a living out of his kissandtell stories about Freddie |
| kokax 14.02.2018 09:36 |
Hi RadioDaDa, Freestone has a chapter on Barbara Valentine ( and Mary Austin ) in his second book : Evans, David; Freestone, Peter. FREDDIE MERCURY - What He Left Behind: The Story of What Happened after the death of Freddie Mercury (Kindle Locations 1007-1011). Tusitala Press. Kindle Edition. (excerpt) " ...I would like to start by examining two of Freddie’s most significant relationships in greater depth to try and shed some light on WHY he liked certain people and WHAT was important to him about a friend’s character and personality. I refer to his life with two women friends, Barbara Valentin and Mary Austin. ....Barbara made Freddie feel instantly at home, never a stranger in this strange city in the same way that James Arthurs and Tony King did in New York......." |
| RadioDaDa 14.02.2018 11:38 |
Kokax- I will for sure order this book and read it once im done with the first. Runner- I have to respectfully disagree with you about Peter, even though alot of people feel the same way you do. Were talking about a man who devoted a chunk of his life to Freddie. Yes it was a job and he was paid for it, But a job like that i feel can not be done unless your totally dedicated to that person, especially someone like Freddie. . Today, yes Peter is out there and im sure continues to make his living talking Freddie business but the crazy thing is there is still a demand to hear about him. This forum, the Montroux experience , even direct contact to Freddies friends, its all still relevant and wanted. I messaged Peter 5 times and asked questions. He responded to 3 of them. I wasnt expecting him to respond 1 time. The guy cares. Comparing him to anyone who negatively affected Freddies life i think is a pretty bad comparison. |
| c.jory 14.02.2018 12:46 |
Peter didn't do a kiss and tell. I've never read him claiming to have had sex with Freddie, unlike Barbara, Runner_70... |
| Star* 14.02.2018 18:15 |
I wonder why other friends of Freddie have not came out of the woodwork to make money out of knowing him, like Peter Straker for example? I did read about Freddie turning up at Barbara's house all upset asking her to help him when he found out he was HIV Positive. But basically what we read in the press and in magazines maybe false. Other stories i read about Freddie was that he had a three some with Barbara and Jim, but i find that strange as Jim always looked uncomfortable in here company. |
| RadioDaDa 14.02.2018 19:06 |
Happystar.. There is a lot of crap written. Of all i seen i really have a feeling that Peter Freestone and even Thor and Lee in these Forums are genuine people who are speaking truthful and from the heart. And if they happen to make a few bucks now or down the road speaking of Freddie then who cares as long as its true and from the heart. One story i recently seen is Freddie cutting Straker out of his life his last year. I dont know if this is covered in Freestones book but every interview ive ever seen of Straker hes never said that |
| c.jory 14.02.2018 21:18 |
happystar wrote: I wonder why other friends of Freddie have not came out of the woodwork to make money out of knowing him, like Peter Straker for example? I did read about Freddie turning up at Barbara's house all upset asking her to help him when he found out he was HIV Positive. But basically what we read in the press and in magazines maybe false. Other stories i read about Freddie was that he had a three some with Barbara and Jim, but i find that strange as Jim always looked uncomfortable in here company.It wasn't Jim! Also Jim said Freddie and Barbara were not sexual in any way. This comes from someone I know who knew Jim. It was implied by Barbara that she was involved in threesomes with Winnie and F, but why not one gay man but TWO would want someone like her in their bed, doesn't make much sense. Seeing as according to Jim, F didn't even like the cats in the room with them, when they were getting down. |
| Freddielove4ever 14.02.2018 22:51 |
Freddie didn't see Barbara for 8 months (until June 1986). He went to Munich to talk with her and to see her. Phoebe wrote in his book that Barbara was in a coach after a concert (July 1986). Peter Freestone - Freddie Mercury - An Intimate Memoir by the Man Who Knew Him Best (Chapter one): "On July 11 and 12, 1986, the band returned to Wembley with A Kind Of Magic under their belts. Freddie had flown the New York Daughters specifically to see one of these shows. He knew it was going to be something to be proud of. He hired a coach for the show which left Garden Lodge with all his guests including Straker, Mary Austin, Wayne Eagling, Gordon Atkinson, Gordon Dalziel and Graham Hamilton, Barbara Valentin and Trevor Clarke. It was my job to ensure that the coach was laden with goodies for the trip out for the guests and on the trip back when Freddie himself joined in. This was to be the start of one very long party. I don’t think there are many stars who would indulge in this kind of behaviour. I don’t know that there are that many of his equivalent status who would have that many friends who would come together at one time to celebrate their friend’s success. And they certainly wouldn’t have travelled on a bus!" In fact, Freddie kept the distance from very close friends including Barbara during his decline. Is this "evidence"? Quite possibly he didn't want Mack (he told it in an interview), Barbara, Montserrat, Straker & Co - friends and colleagues who spent considerable time with him) - see how much he was suffering . Could the distance be evidence that they weren't " real" friends? Certainly not! Phoebe's words in his first book "Peter Freestone - Freddie Mercury - An Intimate Memoir by the Man Who Knew Him Best "(Chapter five): "It does seem strange that in his final year both Barbara Valentin and Peter Straker who were amongst the most important figures in his life were sidelined. There are reasons that I know of for this. There could be many more. The first is that Freddie really did not want people he was close to watching his deterioration. He didn’t want to put people he loved through the pain of watching him die and being unable to do anything about it. He had spent many wonderful hours with these people going out enjoying themselves, giving them a great time and he didn’t want to have these people seeing him frail and tired. These people also reminded him of what his life used to be like, a life which he could no longer enjoy." RadioDada, I read a lot of books about Freddie and I also read Phoebe's second book but I always read positive comments about Barbara...Phoebe liked her a lot :) Barbara has never said bad things about Freddie and not all that we read in the articles is the truth. There are a lot of fake news. About Straker there are two different versions of his story during Freddie's last period of life. Phoebe wrote that Freddie didn't want to see him because he didn't change his lifestyle during Freddie's last period of life (he drank, he was a clown) so Freddie suffered a lot because he thought about and there you will can find Straker's version link . |
| kokax 14.02.2018 22:51 |
Radio DaDa, HappyStar, “There is a lot of crap written” Definitely….and crap recycles and gradually turns into “ facts” multiplied over and over again .... |
| Freddielove4ever 14.02.2018 23:02 |
he thought about his past* sorry I accidentally deleted a part of the sentence :) |
| RadioDaDa 15.02.2018 01:17 |
Freddielive4ever. Thank you for that great response. Reading all these forums it’s hard to separate fact from fiction which is why I plan on reading these books from people that lived with him rather than people that just wrote about him. Kokax- who knows what’s true or not. I tend to believe the actual people speaking in these documentaries. There is no turning back from that. Something written in an article, who knows. I’m personal friends of a high profiled family here in NY and know the truth about certain things in their lives. When articles were written I knew certain things were bullshit just to sell the papers. Every interview I seen Barbara in, she never said anything outlandish or raunchy regarding Freddie. |
| SmokyQuartz 15.02.2018 01:29 |
Peter Freestone also said somewhere (maybe you tube, I remember watching it) that Peter Straker came along to a restaurant one lunchtime to meet Freddie and was drunk and over doing the dramatics. Freddie was embarassed. For all the bad press Straker has had about this, I actually get the impression that Freddie would be friends again with him in a heartbeat, if he was brought back to us. He was good friends with him for a very long time. And Straker does care. I watched an interview with him, Phoebe and Mike Moran. It was obvious Straker cares and by all accounts, Freddie was loyal to those who cared. I think it was probably a case of Freddie was too sick to patch things up and Straker didn't catch on quick enough to change his approach and be more helpful as a friend at that time. |
| RadioDaDa 15.02.2018 01:38 |
Smokeyquartz. I’ve never herd that before. I would think something like that would be patched up quick. They were like family. |
| kokax 15.02.2018 13:53 |
Hi RadioDaDa “ who knows what’s true or not …” Fully agree ? I was referring more to "non-fact-checked" tabloid articles being quoted on forums, here and there mixed with personal opinions. There’s no turning back from actual people.... Of course not. As for BV : Perhaps she provokes quite a bit of jealousy among certain women fans, hence these bouts of deliberate distortions. lol :) |
| kokax 15.02.2018 13:54 |
sorry, I meant "Fully agree" without a question mark ! |
| RadioDaDa 15.02.2018 19:07 |
Kokax.. I mean if B.v said these things that was in that article, then i agree with folks here. But if you try and google search BV allegations on FM all you get back is good loving things. Freddielove4ever had it right and it makes sense . Freddie kept the closest friends away in the last months because he didnt want to change their normally outrageous happy personalities into a sad event with every visit . I never understood but i get it now |
| Freddielove4ever 26.02.2018 23:28 |
You are welcome RadioDaDa and I totally agree with you kokax :) |