| splicksplack 20.01.2018 03:34 |
I'm anticipating a release of a 2 disc version (NOTW and Frankenstein versions). I imagine the box sales were not that great. But even if they were QPL would have no moral qualms about flogging a cheaper version once the 'buy everything' idiots have had their day. I might buy that out of curiosity .Certainly not because it is a valid piece of Queen history. From what I've read the tracks seem to be a nasty amalgam of genuinely interesting pieces. But what next? With the recent losses of Tom P, Prince and Bowie I think it's not unreasonable to expect a loss sooner rather than later of Brian, Roger or Jim. Who will then take over and control the releases? And could that herald a golden era of releases? Grim subject I know, but we're all getting on and it would be nice to know that the vaults could be opened at last. |
| ANAGRAMER 20.01.2018 08:52 |
You, sir, are an idiot |
| brians wig 20.01.2018 11:01 |
There won't be a 2 CD release of NOTW. QPL are testing the water for unheard archive material through the expensive boxset alone. If very few people buy it because of the fact that the contents aren't really worth the price, it will satisfy them that they can use the excuse that no one is interested in unheard material and they can breathe easy once again. Of course, were the unheard tracks to be released as a £15 or £20 2CD set, they'd sell hundreds of thousands of copies around the world to fans and Joe Public alike and then QPL would feel obligated to continue raiding the archives which is obviously not what they want to do.... |
| Star* 20.01.2018 11:23 |
The Future of Queen? Well to be honest Queen do not have any future as they have covered everything a band possibly could. The recent tours with Adam Lambert in my opinion have been a waste of time when Brian & Roger could have been doing something much more creative with there time, maybe record an album together or work with other select artists. To be touring the world doing Queen karaoke hits with an American idol nobody is a waste of precious life considering that May & Taylor are getting on in years. Still for me it will always be the original four that brought inspiration and joy to the masses. Lambert does not toss my salad and never will. |
| Star* 20.01.2018 11:23 |
The Future of Queen? Well to be honest Queen do not have any future as they have covered everything a band possibly could. The recent tours with Adam Lambert in my opinion have been a waste of time when Brian & Roger could have been doing something much more creative with there time, maybe record an album together or work with other select artists. To be touring the world doing Queen karaoke hits with an American idol nobody is a waste of precious life considering that May & Taylor are getting on in years. Still for me it will always be the original four that brought inspiration and joy to the masses. Lambert does not toss my salad and never will. |
| oligneisti 20.01.2018 11:49 |
Everyone will die in the future. Resistance is futile. |
| splicksplack 20.01.2018 12:24 |
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| splicksplack 20.01.2018 12:25 |
Aggressive Mr. Anagramer. On what grounds do you perceive me as an idiot? |
| TomP63 20.01.2018 12:37 |
Spicksplack, you're not an idiot, but I must react, I'm still alive, a bit under the weather, but still ailve. With the recent losses of Tom P, Prince and Bowie I think it's not unreasonable to expect a loss sooner rather than later of Brian, Roger or Jim. I'm only kidding ofcourse....... TomP |
| aristide1 20.01.2018 14:31 |
The anticipation of the inevitable only to access their possessions it's just disgusting. You must be 50+, since you saw the 1981 concert. "It's not unreasonable to expect" you will die first. |
| Vocal harmony 20.01.2018 14:53 |
happystar wrote: The Future of Queen? Well to be honest Queen do not have any future as they have covered everything a band possibly could. The recent tours with Adam Lambert in my opinion have been a waste of time when Brian & Roger could have been doing something much more creative with there time, maybe record an album together or work with other select artists. To be touring the world doing Queen karaoke hits with an American idol nobody is a waste of precious life considering that May & Taylor are getting on in years. Still for me it will always be the original four that brought inspiration and joy to the masses. Lambert does not toss my salad and never will.Hardly karaoke when you have live musicians playing to a live audience. Tickets sales counter your waste of time claim. They are now capable of playing to the same sized audience that they were playing with Freddie in most countries and have also won back an American audience. Not a waste of time when Brian, Roger and Adam Lambert appear to be enjoying the experience and getting on with one another. Having "covered everything a band could possibly do" you might expect them to do nothing, but it's not what they or a huge number of fans want. They have no need to prove anything as song writers and recording artists, and I have the feeling that if they wanted to they would. They seem to have made a decision to do what they enjoy (playing live) for the people who enjoy hearing the music continue to live. As for where Adam Lambert came from, so what we are now living in a very different world and he came to light through TV so what. |
| Star* 20.01.2018 16:24 |
Yeah Lambert came to the large stage thanks to Queen with no experience of been a rock n roller ! Paul Rodgers was so much more worthy of playing with Queen, where Lambert is so west end musical orientated with his singing abilities, ok everyone has told me he aint trying to be Freddie so how dare he wear that crown and black finger nails and leather outfits which are very Freddie. Many may not be bothered who fronts Queen but i do and i am not impressed with Lambert he is a total embarrassment in the rock n roll world to some of us purist Queen fans. Lambert is a lucky person making millions of pounds out of a rock legends genius but i tell you something he would be nothing if Brian and Roger never picked him out. As a solo artist he is dust. When May & Taylor die Lambert will be on the bones of his camp little ass. |
| Ivo-1976 20.01.2018 17:47 |
Future of Queen? Maybe, if they really go for it, they have one good album left in them, worthy of the Queen name. Not a fan of Lambert, but Brian or Roger on lead vocals doesn't do the trick either. I liked the tours with PR, it had a nice buzz with it and it had been so long since they played live. Now, it's become a commodity, same songs, same tricks, slower tempo, the magic has faded a bit if you ask me. With all respect for Roger and Brian, BTW. They don't have to do it. The 70's and 80's were a great ride, great albums, a lot diversity, creativity and awesome live shows. Thank god for Youtube and all the great releases of the Freddie/Brian/Roger/John area. Splendid stuff. |
| Saint Jiub 20.01.2018 17:53 |
I too, am hoping for a two disk set ... perhaps by x-mas. |
| mooghead 20.01.2018 20:55 |
The Future. Cannot get any worse. Just have a think. The present is horrific. |
| Star* 20.01.2018 21:19 |
Lets face it Queen are humiliating themselves working with Lambert, for they should be working with someone who can supply the half a Queen band with a flicker of interest. I remember May & Taylor against reality shows like X-factor and American Idol years ago, as they were moaning about Simon Cowell destroying the music industry, also Elton agreed. Now what did they go and do well they appeared on both shows with that joke Adam Lambert who believes he is great ! Mr Lambert can not write a decent song or play any instrument, he looks lost on that stage at times with May & Taylor and his dress sense would make the scissor sisters so proud! For gods sake Queen use to be a powerful rock n roll band fronted by the greatest lead singer ever Freddie Mercury! Just look at them now, gone from been high powered rock n roll band to a soft as ice cream mush. This does not work and i bet May & Taylor are saying to each other, we got away with it and still making millions of pounds. Some fans accept trash well i am not one of those people and i never wanted to see them live ever again after Lambert decided he was the big thing in Queen. |
| Ivo-1976 20.01.2018 22:47 |
@happystar I'm quite sure Roger and Brian don't need the millions, they have plenty of them. |
| mcgroom 20.01.2018 23:13 |
I still think despite the fact that yes the NOTW boxset was expensive it still had some great content on it, especially the Raw Sessions. Despite the fact that some of the products could have been handled better and could have had more content on them, this has still been a pretty good decade for archival Queen material and we should at least be grateful for what we have gotten so far, especially if you compare it to last decade. Hopefully more interesting products will come, especially content like the NOTW Raw Sessions and the Rainbow box from 2014. |
| Vocal harmony 20.01.2018 23:49 |
happystar wrote: Lets face it Queen are humiliating themselves working with Lambert, for they should be working with someone who can supply the half a Queen band with a flicker of interest. I remember May & Taylor against reality shows like X-factor and American Idol years ago, as they were moaning about Simon Cowell destroying the music industry, also Elton agreed. Now what did they go and do well they appeared on both shows with that joke Adam Lambert who believes he is great ! Mr Lambert can not write a decent song or play any instrument, he looks lost on that stage at times with May & Taylor and his dress sense would make the scissor sisters so proud! For gods sake Queen use to be a powerful rock n roll band fronted by the greatest lead singer ever Freddie Mercury! Just look at them now, gone from been high powered rock n roll band to a soft as ice cream mush. This does not work and i bet May & Taylor are saying to each other, we got away with it and still making millions of pounds. Some fans accept trash well i am not one of those people and i never wanted to see them live ever again after Lambert decided he was the big thing in Queen.I believe Gerry has returned! |
| rockchic65 21.01.2018 00:34 |
Happystar Lambert has worn black nail polish and leather since long before American Idol, nothing to do with trying to be Freddie. Maybe the fact they changed their mind about reality shows is because Adam is far from the usual reality show contestant. What difference does it make anyway how someone gets their break, talent is still talent. Clearly it does work, since their tours are a huge success and people are asking for more. Brian and Roger aren't wasting their time, they're having a blast and the fans are too, and they aren't the least bit humiliated by any of it. |
| ANAGRAMER 21.01.2018 08:43 |
splicksplack wrote: Aggressive Mr. Anagramer. On what grounds do you perceive me as an idiot?"Loss sooner rather than later...." - completely unnecessary and in bad taste...think before you post |
| jrd1951 21.01.2018 08:46 |
I like the passion 'happystar' .....I am also one of those big fans and I was there from the very beginning,November 24th 1991 was one of the bleakest days in history,but the show must go on! Many people assumed that Queen were finished that day,which must have inspired them to carry on,they are great musicians after all.They obviously love playing live,so if they want to ham it up with Lambert then that is their bag.It is still one of best arena shows in Rock,and the reviews mainly in the States seem to be great,in converse to the hammering they got in the Freddie days.No,you can't compare Freddie to Adam.Freddie was(on a good day) the greatest performer in history. I sat through a recent Queen show and then watched 'Rock Montreal'....Adam is a good singer,and very brave! but could not come close to the power,emotion and ability of Freddie,but he knows that too.As for the future,I would reach for the sick bag if they choose to make an album(just NO Rog and Bri),would love to see some glorious remasters of the Freddie shows(Montreal was great),and those'lost' News of The World tracks are just brilliant as well.Just be thankful that at least they are doing something,are relevant in the States again,and are FINALLY being recognized as being what we knew for years,the best band in history! X |
| ANAGRAMER 21.01.2018 08:54 |
Saw then recently on UK tour; yes, the set list was a bit safe and new material would be nice but, on face value the show was fantastic! Freddie is sadly long gone and, that accepted, AL does a fantastic job, vocally and presentation-wise. Tongue firmly in his cheek, IF he had been part of the original line-up, we would all be elated with the current tour and the level of success they've reclaimed worldwide It takes a VERY brave man to stand in FM's shoes, hats off to him for having the sheer guts to do it and capture at least some of the essence of Queen at their prime ***** |
| aristide1 21.01.2018 09:53 |
Nobody expects "power, emotion and ability of Freddie" but the so frustrating live appearances are the result of Brian's bad management of the Queen brand, and of Spike Edney - the worst musical director alive. Queen today is no longer a band it's an act requiring a good musical director, and the presumed intelligent leader which is Brian should be able to successfully pull this project. I don't see much intelligence or leadership, just the same huge ego wrapped in politically correct attitudes. |
| NickiP 21.01.2018 09:57 |
What Anagrammer said. It was a great show. I was very reluctant to see them with Lambert but when the opportunity presented itself (a £10 wristband for the IOW festival) I couldn't turn it down. Fast forward to the last tour and I had to go. It's a great show. The best part is that Brian and Roger look like they're having a ball. Just like on the tours with PR. Or with FM. For me the artist enjoying what they do is s vital part of the spectacle. I bought my ticket knowing it wasn't Freddie up there. Knowing it would be a safe set. Knowing Lambert has a West End style. Knowing the continuing half of Queen are old blokes. Also knowing that this would be a proper live performance and maybe the last opportunity. I'd love to see an album by Roger and Brian of new stuff. Hell I even enjoyed TCR! (Yeah I know...) But what it all boils down to is choice. They have a choice (and a right) to do what they like. And I have a choice ( and a right) to partake of their offerings or not. Nobody is compelling me to shell out my hard earned on any of their products. If you don't like it don't buy it. I've head the Raw sessions on you tube. I don't need to have physical product to hold. Others like that. We all make our choices. Arguing on an Internet forum about whether Roger and Brian are right to do what they do is a waste of time and energy. But it's quite fun to sit back and watch ?? |
| Star* 21.01.2018 11:32 |
Well at least John Deacon is not having any of this crap he is a wise wise man not to get involved and too faithful to Freddie. If you look at the poll on here the haters are slowly catching up to the guys who like anything put under there noses! Queen are lost without Mercury & Deacon and it shows greatly. They do not have a conscience at all what they re doing, as long as they get the last chance to rake in the money before one of the two is dead. No Queen /Adam album will ever happen because they would not dare for been ridiculed and they do not have the balls to take that chance of a massive flop. |
| Vocal harmony 21.01.2018 12:57 |
happystar wrote: . . . . leather outfits which are very Freddie. . . . . . .Just like it was very Elvis Presley, Suzie Quatro, Alvin Stardust, and Rob Halford before Freddie jumped on the idea. Stop singling Freddie out as some kind of creation who was at year zero of everything in music. He wasn't. He borrowed, stole and created just like any other artist. Progression is the result of building on what is already there. He was brilliant, some of the time (more often than not) but he also wrote and recorded some crap especially as a solo artist. He was also not a consistent live performer, when he was good he was the best. At least Lambert and Rodgers before him deliver very consistent performances. |
| Holly2003 21.01.2018 13:45 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Consistency. Paul Rodgers had a consistent nasally tone that I found irritating; in Lambert's case, it's a consistently thin and shrill timbre in the higher register that is unattractive. These are consistent flaws. Fred wasn't perfect by any means: he was up and down on certain nights on almost every tour. But he had the advantage of singing his own songs or at least the songs produced by his band. It didn't matter if he could not consistently reproduce the studio sound as he usually made up for it in other ways, by rearranging the songs, improvising, or just basically not giving a fuck -- another rock star attribute. Rodgers and Lambert are on a hiding to nothing. They will always be compared unfavourably to the original. Nothing wrong with that as long as it's recognised for what it is, and fairly done. But they have their own flaws and when they consistently reproduce them every night then it isn't necessarily something to crow about.happystar wrote: . . . . leather outfits which are very Freddie. . . . . . .Just like it was very Elvis Presley, Suzie Quatro, Alvin Stardust, and Rob Halford before Freddie jumped on the idea. Stop singling Freddie out as some kind of creation who was at year zero of everything in music. He wasn't. He borrowed, stole and created just like any other artist. Progression is the result of building on what is already there. He was brilliant, some of the time (more often than not) but he also wrote and recorded some crap especially as a solo artist. He was also not a consistent live performer, when he was good he was the best. At least Lambert and Rodgers before him deliver very consistent performances. |
| kosimodo 21.01.2018 14:40 |
Happystar clearly hasnt seen the concerts with Paul and Adam. Adam can sing and has his own star quality. Paul is just a bluesy rocksinger. Though he was Freddies favorite, i have been told. |
| Star* 21.01.2018 15:09 |
I get that a lot where people say "Have you seen Adam live then" no i have not because i have seen him on tv many times and his voice is nothing to be amazed by, he is so "west end musical" and that is it basically. He is no better than Michael Ball. He could not rock a fart, and i much prefer Paul Rodgers. To me Lambert looks fake, and why does he think he needs to wear that crown for? What has he done to be able to earn that sort of respect, he never wrote the greatest single in existence (Bo Rhap) He only sings the songs and makes money from doing so. So tell me if Lambert has so much respect for Freddie then he should get some of those millions into "The Mercury Phoenix Account" and prove that he respects Fred. |
| Vocal harmony 21.01.2018 16:20 |
happystar wrote: . . . . So tell me if Lambert has so much respect for Freddie then he should get some of those millions into "The Mercury Phoenix Account" and prove that he respects Fred.So because of your huge respect for Freddie I take it you pay large amounts to the Phoenix Trust! |
| Star* 21.01.2018 18:09 |
Listen i am not the one making millions of pounds out of a dead Legend, Lambert is though! Furthermore this character would be nothing on his own. May & Taylor have furthered his failing career. His solo albums never actually set the uk charts on fire did they and he never wins best male vocalist awards! Half a Queen band have helped him to get noticed. |
| Invisible Woman 21.01.2018 19:40 |
I don't now how many people will listen to Queen's music in the future. But I think that next generations will not start listening to Queen's music because of the touring with Adam Lambert, but because of the recorded songs and albums with Freddie. And about the work of the band (the next tour, the new material) time goes bay and people don't become younger. |
| Star* 21.01.2018 20:42 |
Yes i agree with your comments. Queen as a band is about the four original members and all the studio albums that still interest the world. The last 8 or so years with Queen + whoever is irrelevant as far as i am concerned because it was not Queen it was half a Queen band with backing musicians and a bland boring American boy who got luck through Brian May's desperation to get back on the road. I would have attended many live shows to see Brian & Roger but Lambert stopped me because those songs do not sound right with somebody else singing them. I hope the powers that be will release something exciting this year and not rip us all off again. It seems Queen productions enjoy ripping the fans off and not giving us better products. Beatles fans get treated to all sorts of archive material and bonus tracks and i have my suspicions that Brian & Roger have many better archives on tape and film of the band that they aint willing to share with us all. Just look how long it took to get The News of the world raw sessions, 40 years! |
| Vocal harmony 22.01.2018 17:27 |
Believe what you want, you've said all this before Gerry |
| mike hunt 23.01.2018 01:29 |
Oh vocal harmony....you still going on how imperfect Freddie was. No one, even Hendrix, Page and any other great weren't perfect, but they were originals who wrote and played their own music. Ground breakers like Freddie Mercury. You're really trying too compare what Freddie did for Queen with Adam? Are you really going there? I agree with the poster who said they should be playing with proper rock musicians and being more creative rather than playing the hits over and over again. Embarrassing after a while. |
| mike hunt 23.01.2018 02:34 |
Invisible Woman wrote: I don't now how many people will listen to Queen's music in the future. But I think that next generations will not start listening to Queen's music because of the touring with Adam Lambert, but because of the recorded songs and albums with Freddie. And about the work of the band (the next tour, the new material) time goes bay and people don't become younger.Queen put out their first album In 1973, That's 45 years ago. People still listen and love Queen. Even In the States where they're not as popular as the rest of the world they have over a dozen songs that are voted in the top 1000 best Rock songs of all time, with 4 songs in the top 100, Bo Rhap in the top 5... Believe me when I say it has nothing to do with Lambert. Ever since Wayne's World they been relevant again in The States. Sadly, if Freddie was healthy when Wayne's world came out they would have made a nice comeback. |
| Vocal harmony 23.01.2018 16:51 |
mike hunt wrote: Oh vocal harmony....you still going on how imperfect Freddie was. No one, even Hendrix, Page and any other great weren't perfect, but they were originals who wrote and played their own music. Ground breakers like Freddie Mercury. You're really trying too compare what Freddie did for Queen with Adam? Are you really going there? I agree with the poster who said they should be playing with proper rock musicians and being more creative rather than playing the hits over and over again. Embarrassing after a while.Absolutely not, I agree with your point that many artists had/have inperfections and that ground breaking artists who perform their own material are streets ahead of the rest. My post was in answer to the the person who is rubbishing almost everyone in comparison with Freddie. I only pointed out that as live singers both Paul Rodgers and Adam Lambert are more consistent than Freddie was. Holly brought up the subject of vocal sound (Rodgers nasal tones as he puts it for example). Again thats not what I was talking about, vocal ability and technical performance is different to personal taste which is what Holly brought to the sudject. My point was simply if you take one hundred live Freddie performances and one hundred each from Lambert and Rodgers the two Queen+ members hit the right notes more consistently. As far as how the band want to present themselves is up to them, they have a huge legacy which they seem to enjoy performing and people enjoy being part of. If they decide to be creative and record that's up to them but I don't think any of us should tart saying what they can or can't do. I'm just pleased to see and hear half of my favourite bands still out there playing. As for the argument that Lambert shouldn't be out there with them and Roger ad Brian should be fronting the show themselves, do you really believe that they could cover a two show vocally, to at least Lamberts standard, and play their instruments? |
| aristide1 23.01.2018 17:51 |
He was consistent with himself, and "the solo crap" was another facet of his brilliance. Since he sang his own music he could afford to be inconsistent, the others can't because consistency is all they got. Anyway, it's one of the dumbest comparison I've heard. |
| mike hunt 23.01.2018 19:07 |
aristide1 wrote: He was consistent with himself, and "the solo crap" was another facet of his brilliance. Since he sang his own music he could afford to be inconsistent, the others can't because consistency is all they got. Anyway, it's one of the dumbest comparison I've heard.I know, the reason I sought out Harmony is because he/she say's how imperfect Freddie is over and over. If it was Just once I wouldn't think nothing of it. And I also think his music outside of Queen can't really be Judged, it was short and in between Queen albums and Tours....music is subjective, right? So in my opinion most of his side stuff is good. Mr. Guy was poor. Barcelona in my opinion was one of my favorite Records he made. A real highlight for me. The cover songs I like as well, Pretender, my Defense, Time.... As far Rodgers, great singer for Bad Company and Free, but hearing him sing Queen songs was cringe worthy. I watched a performance recently with him singing The Show Must Go on and was reminded how bad he was singing Queen. |
| mike hunt 23.01.2018 19:12 |
mike hunt wrote:aristide1 wrote: He was consistent with himself, and "the solo crap" was another facet of his brilliance. Since he sang his own music he could afford to be inconsistent, the others can't because consistency is all they got. Anyway, it's one of the dumbest comparison I've heard.I know, the reason I sought out Harmony is because he/she say's how imperfect Freddie is over and over. If it was Just once I wouldn't think nothing of it. And I also think his music outside of Queen can't was short and in between Queen albums and Tours....music is subjective, right? So in my opinion most of his side stuff is good. Mr. Guy was poor. Barcelona in my opinion was one of my favorite Records he made. A real highlight for me. The cover songs I like as well, Pretender, my Defense, Time.... As far Rodgers, great singer for Bad Company and Free, but hearing him sing Queen songs was cringe worthy. I watched a performance recently with him singing The Show Must Go on and was reminded how bad he was singing Queen. |
| Holly2003 23.01.2018 19:23 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Nasal whining aside for now ("radio what's new, someone still loves yew") Rodgers was anything but consistent: he rarely tried to sing the songs as they were on the albums, he didn't try to hit the high notes, and in his phrasing he was often ahead of or behind the beat in every song. He rarely sung a song the same way twice. You can debate the merits of that, good or bad (IMO sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't) but Rodgers was not consistent even two nights in a row!mike hunt wrote: Oh vocal harmony....you still going on how imperfect Freddie was. No one, even Hendrix, Page and any other great weren't perfect, but they were originals who wrote and played their own music. Ground breakers like Freddie Mercury. You're really trying too compare what Freddie did for Queen with Adam? Are you really going there? I agree with the poster who said they should be playing with proper rock musicians and being more creative rather than playing the hits over and over again. Embarrassing after a while.Absolutely not, I agree with your point that many artists had/have inperfections and that ground breaking artists who perform their own material are streets ahead of the rest. My post was in answer to the the person who is rubbishing almost everyone in comparison with Freddie. I only pointed out that as live singers both Paul Rodgers and Adam Lambert are more consistent than Freddie was. Holly brought up the subject of vocal sound (Rodgers nasal tones as he puts it for example). Again thats not what I was talking about, vocal ability and technical performance is different to personal taste which is what Holly brought to the sudject. My point was simply if you take one hundred live Freddie performances and one hundred each from Lambert and Rodgers the two Queen+ members hit the right notes more consistently. As far as how the band want to present themselves is up to them, they have a huge legacy which they seem to enjoy performing and people enjoy being part of. If they decide to be creative and record that's up to them but I don't think any of us should tart saying what they can or can't do. I'm just pleased to see and hear half of my favourite bands still out there playing. As for the argument that Lambert shouldn't be out there with them and Roger ad Brian should be fronting the show themselves, do you really believe that they could cover a two show vocally, to at least Lamberts standard, and play their instruments? |
| Vocal harmony 24.01.2018 00:28 |
aristide1 wrote: He was consistent with himself, and "the solo crap" was another facet of his brilliance. Since he sang his own music he could afford to be inconsistent, the others can't because consistency is all they got. Anyway, it's one of the dumbest comparison I've heard. |
| darrell 25.01.2018 20:31 |
The Future? Queen Extravaganza will put Lambert in the shade. |
| cmsdrums 25.01.2018 21:52 |
Holly2003 wrote:very much agree - whilst Rodgers has some credit for helping Roger and Brian to tour again, this inconsistency in delivery showed a real lack of respect to Queen’s music and the fans; those songs are so recognisable, that to expect people to hear those songs sung with such massive variances in melody - in some cases so much so that Brian and Roger struggled to realise where in the song they were - just didn’t cut it for me.Vocal harmony wrote:Nasal whining aside for now ("radio what's new, someone still loves yew") Rodgers was anything but consistent: he rarely tried to sing the songs as they were on the albums, he didn't try to hit the high notes, and in his phrasing he was often ahead of or behind the beat in every song. He rarely sung a song the same way twice. You can debate the merits of that, good or bad (IMO sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't) but Rodgers was not consistent even two nights in a row!mike hunt wrote: Oh vocal harmony....you still going on how imperfect Freddie was. No one, even Hendrix, Page and any other great weren't perfect, but they were originals who wrote and played their own music. Ground breakers like Freddie Mercury. You're really trying too compare what Freddie did for Queen with Adam? Are you really going there? I agree with the poster who said they should be playing with proper rock musicians and being more creative rather than playing the hits over and over again. Embarrassing after a while.Absolutely not, I agree with your point that many artists had/have inperfections and that ground breaking artists who perform their own material are streets ahead of the rest. My post was in answer to the the person who is rubbishing almost everyone in comparison with Freddie. I only pointed out that as live singers both Paul Rodgers and Adam Lambert are more consistent than Freddie was. Holly brought up the subject of vocal sound (Rodgers nasal tones as he puts it for example). Again thats not what I was talking about, vocal ability and technical performance is different to personal taste which is what Holly brought to the sudject. My point was simply if you take one hundred live Freddie performances and one hundred each from Lambert and Rodgers the two Queen+ members hit the right notes more consistently. As far as how the band want to present themselves is up to them, they have a huge legacy which they seem to enjoy performing and people enjoy being part of. If they decide to be creative and record that's up to them but I don't think any of us should tart saying what they can or can't do. I'm just pleased to see and hear half of my favourite bands still out there playing. As for the argument that Lambert shouldn't be out there with them and Roger ad Brian should be fronting the show themselves, do you really believe that they could cover a two show vocally, to at least Lamberts standard, and play their instruments? Regardless of any individual view over Lambert’s suitability for the role, he at least delivers a true enough rendition of the songs to recognise them! |
| mike hunt 26.01.2018 00:55 |
The only parts of Queen/Rodgers I liked was Rogers drum solo, and last Horizon. The Bad Company songs sounded good with Brian adding his touch. But, yea Rodgers was consistent singing Queen songs. Consistently bad. |
| Togg 26.01.2018 10:56 |
I think you have to look at Rodgers as something of an enigma, don't forget like it of not he WAS a massive star in his own right and back in the 70's he was right up there, Free, Bad Company were staple hits for radio and Discos alike, so don't you think he would try to put his own stamp of anything he's asked to sing? I don't consider it to be disrespectful to the songs or band that he didn't sing them the same way Freddie did. Had the situation been reversed, I can't see Freddie trying to emulate Rodgers in singing style, Freddie would have out his own slant on it, just as Rodgers did, if you don't like it fair enough, but I think it's easy to forget just how bog he was in his day, those of us old enough to have bought the records first time around did view him as a big star |
| Negative Creep 26.01.2018 12:04 |
Anyone that thinks Rodgers had/has a nasal vocal sound doesn't know was nasal means. |
| dysan 26.01.2018 13:26 |
I was getting really annoyed that people were spelling Roger wrong in this thread. |
| mike hunt 26.01.2018 13:48 |
Togg......Check what I said, I said Rodgers is a legend and was great with his bands. I'm not saying he sucked, but he sucked singing Queen songs. I agree he put his own take on those songs, but that doesn't mean it was good. |
| mike hunt 26.01.2018 13:58 |
The one point I disagree with Holly on is Rodgers disrespecting Queen by not sounding like the Record. Freddie didn't sound like the Record either, but unlike some people I like that about him. In some songs the lower raspy voice sounds better. Freddie had his ups and downs live, but overall I really like his live voice. Live At The Rainbow is an example how his imperfect voice made some of those heavy songs sound better than the studio, or at least kept them interesting. Like Freddie said, just put the records on if That's what you want. |
| Togg 26.01.2018 14:35 |
I wasn't specifically pointing that at you, but rather a general comment. When I read these type of topics I often am amused by the number of folk that simoly ignore that Freddie wasn't perfect 100% of the time, he came on stage drunk, he missed notes forgot lyrics and was known to storm off stage, Rodgers did a pretty good job IMO, notthe way I like to hear Queen tracks all the time, but he put an interesting slant of songs and speaking as a musician I can say it was interesting to watch amd hear how someone else handled the tracks, I think Adam is a much better choice for Queen and I was simply blown away by his performances, he was good the first time I saw hiom, but now he's amazing, if you are simply cross with teh fact he sings a couple of lines differently....get real, thats the way he is interpriting the songs, a bit like "You can't stop the rock"... who cares Freddie didn't sing them identical to the recorded version, Brian NEVER plays the same solo twice..... get over it. Adam is much closer to the Freddie 'spirit' than Paul and I think that works, it's just a flippin band for gods sake, they are just songs we are not talking about LAWS or the succession to the thrown, Freddie didn't care what happened to them after he'd finished with them, as he said they are disposable.... i think folk should remember that, we are just talking about a bunch of songs, you can go listen to the albums watch the DVDs but if you want live and the excitement it generates then they can certainly still cut it judging by the last tour, and so what if Freddie is dead, and John has left? They are still one of the best live acts on the planet |
| mike hunt 26.01.2018 15:26 |
No thanks! They played the Garden on the last tour. I had my chance and decided too pass on It. Nothing against Lambert, but It feels off for me. I'll stick with the records. I'll listen to Queen2 and SHA...you could go and listen to Ghost Town. Try some new bands since Queen are no more. Try a band call Power Trip....youtube the song "Swing Of The Ax". |
| mike hunt 26.01.2018 15:26 |
No thanks! They played the Garden on the last tour. I had my chance and decided too pass on It. Nothing against Lambert, but It feels off for me. I'll stick with the records. I'll listen to Queen2 and SHA...you could go and listen to Ghost Town. Try some new bands since Queen are no more. Try a band call Power Trip....youtube the song "Swing Of The Ax". |
| Holly2003 26.01.2018 17:55 |
mike hunt wrote: The one point I disagree with Holly on is Rodgers disrespecting Queen by not sounding like the Record.I didn't say that. |
| Vocal harmony 27.01.2018 12:55 |
Whether or not you like Rodgers, or what he did with Queen, it can't be claimed that he sang out of tune or badly from performance to performance. Yes he interpreted the songs in quite a loose way in some cases, but he was never going to be a carbon copy of the recordings. The point I was trying to make, that has nothing to do with liking or not liking a singer because of his style is that Freddie, within his chosen style was not as on the ball, as a lot seem to wish to think he was, as either PR or AL. Lambert particularly seems to be able to nail quite difficult vocals (eg Who Wants To Live Forever) every night. Freddie couldn't, it's a simple fact. Rodgers too, although sometimes with little effort to perform the original melody still managed not to go sharp, flat or for his voice to break. I think Toggs post just about sums it up. |
| mike hunt 27.01.2018 16:02 |
I'll pass...but thanks for your insightful Info....Mercury is still a legend while you type all your nonsense. |
| mike hunt 27.01.2018 17:24 |
I went through the same thing when Rob Halford left Priest and they hired Tim Ripper Owens as the new singer. That's all I heard was how Owens hit all the notes Halford wasn't. His version was better than Halford on this song and that song. Meanwhile Owens put out 2 forgettable albums with Priest and nowhere to be found these days. Same with Mercury. When the dust clears he will be always be mentioned in the top 3, sometimes at #1 as far as Frontman In Rock, while Lambert will be known for singing Mercury songs. Unless you think Ghost Town is this generations Stairway to Heaven. I think not! |
| Vocal harmony 27.01.2018 20:17 |
I seem to remember Gillan leaving Purple and being replaced, Fish leaving Marillion and being replaced, a string of singers going through Rainbow, each bringing something different, Brian Johnson joining AC/DC, Steve Perry being replaced in Journey. In the middle of all the nonesense you write you seem unable to face the fact, like Luckystar, that Freddie wasn't perfect. Some of us can see that, aren't afraid to comment on it and have been Queen fans from way back and were at those amazing shows, even the ones Freddie fucked up in! And I've never claimed him not to be a legend! New bands, I listen to them all the time Sons Of Apollo are on in my car today, but I also like seeing some of the bands I enjoyed back in the 70's with or without the original singer. Howmany people buying Kiss tickets are missing half the original line up, or Maiden fans ELO or Status Quo. . . Just one you mentioned Priest, strangely enough the return of their singer has brought them deminished ticket sales, and less commercial success now than with Ripper Owens. At least the current Queen line up still pulls in the same sized audiences that most of their late 70's and 80's tours did. |
| mike hunt 27.01.2018 21:28 |
Me admitting Freddie wasn't perfect? I already said he wasn't perfect. You got me confused with someone else. Find a post I wrote where I said Freddie was perfect? Or anyone for that matter, but I don't go on and on and on and on about it. Also, Priest diminished success since Halford came back? Their last album was their highest chart position. Your comparing what ACDC did with their new singer compared with what Queen did in the last 27 years? ACDC are not a favorite of mine, but Back In Black is one of the most popular Rock albums of all time. What did Queen do? TCR sold 500 thousand Records. No one cared. I have no problem with what Brian and Roger do, but I'm allowed too not like Queen + Rodgers/Lambert. Believe me I tried. Why do you get so defensive when someone doesn't like Adam Lambert. Kind of hypocritical of you. Bashing anyone who doesn't like Queen +, but goes on and on and on about every Freddie flaw. |
| mike hunt 27.01.2018 21:34 |
Vocal harmony wrote: I seem to remember Gillan leaving Purple and being replaced, Fish leaving Marillion and being replaced, a string of singers going through Rainbow, each bringing something different, Brian Johnson joining AC/DC, Steve Perry being replaced in Journey. In the middle of all the nonesense you write you seem unable to face the fact, like Luckystar, that Freddie wasn't perfect. Some of us can see that, aren't afraid to comment on it and have been Queen fans from way back and were at those amazing shows, even the ones Freddie fucked up in! And I've never claimed him not to be a legend! New bands, I listen to them all the time Sons Of Apollo are on in my car today, but I also like seeing some of the bands I enjoyed back in the 70's with or without the original singer. Howmany people buying Kiss tickets are missing half the original line up, or Maiden fans ELO or Status Quo. . . Just one you mentioned Priest, strangely enough the return of their singer has brought them deminished ticket sales, and less commercial success now than with Ripper Owens. At least the current Queen line up still pulls in the same sized audiences that most of their late 70's and 80's tours did.When they write something of substance you could mouth off about Queen+ all you want, but I don't see that happening. |
| Vocal harmony 27.01.2018 22:56 |
I have, that's the beauty of the forum. They don't have to write anything anymore. At their age and level of career they are doing what they enjoy and world wide they have an audience who agree. |
| Negative Creep 28.01.2018 12:33 |
Amazing that in 2018 this still needs pointing out, but - an active band with a fluid lineup changing singers is *somewhat* different than half a band resurrecting a band years later and that band having been fronted by one of the most icon frontmen of all time. DUH!!! The sad thing is is that the nostalgia market is fucking massive, and they could have literally anyone fronting them now and they'd sell the same amount of tickets. If McCartney and Ringo announced they were doing a world tour with Gareth Gates fronting - people would buy tickets and it'd be huge. They aren't selling tickets because people think Lambert is great, they're selling tickets because of the brand. DUH! |
| Vocal harmony 28.01.2018 14:22 |
Negative Creep wrote: Amazing that in 2018 this still needs pointing out, but - an active band with a fluid lineup changing singers is *somewhat* different than half a band resurrecting a band years later and that band having been fronted by one of the most icon frontmen of all time. DUH!!! The sad thing is is that the nostalgia market is fucking massive, and they could have literally anyone fronting them now and they'd sell the same amount of tickets. If McCartney and Ringo announced they were doing a world tour with Gareth Gates fronting - people would buy tickets and it'd be huge. They aren't selling tickets because people think Lambert is great, they're selling ticket's because of the brand. DUH!So a band like Metallica who have a long history going back to the earl mid 80's and don't have their original line up intact and release albums with a ten year gap but tour constantly are not a nostalgia act and not a brand either. DUH! Get over the fact that music is an industry and the current Queen line up are a success. DUH! If the guy fronting it makes no difference why are they selling more tickets than with PR and in America, more than with Freddie in 82 DUH! |
| mike hunt 28.01.2018 20:35 |
Negative Creep wrote: Amazing that in 2018 this still needs pointing out, but - an active band with a fluid lineup changing singers is *somewhat* different than half a band resurrecting a band years later and that band having been fronted by one of the most icon frontmen of all time. DUH!!! The sad thing is is that the nostalgia market is fucking massive, and they could have literally anyone fronting them now and they'd sell the same amount of tickets. If McCartney and Ringo announced they were doing a world tour with Gareth Gates fronting - people would buy tickets and it'd be huge. They aren't selling tickets because people think Lambert is great, they're selling tickets because of the brand. DUH!Best comments on this thread...Thank you for that! |
| Star* 28.01.2018 20:50 |
Mike Hunt, Respect to you and a great post, yes Queen is a brand name and no matter if the cat over the road fronts Queen they will sell out in 20 mins ! Adam Lambert is a total embarrassment for Queen, i was watching a clip on you tube last night of Lambert sat on a couch with massive stiletto heals and been a proper ponce fanning himself and i am thinking what the f*ck has happened to Queen having this jerk front what was once the greatest rock n roll show on earth in the 70s and 80s ! At least Paul Rodgers was talented and had a good musical pedigree, something that Lambert will never have. I am like you Mike in that i will never go and see Queen live ever again for it is too painful and embarrassing. |
| mike hunt 29.01.2018 01:39 |
Rodgers was right though when he wanted the band called Rodgers/May/Talyor Instead of Queen +. If they got an old time Bass player it would have been a proper supergroup. Even If they didn't last, and obviously they were out of ideas by 2008 as far as writing new material. I did see them In concert, I figured it would be my last and only chance too see a Queen related show and I respected Paul, even though I wasn't crazy about how he sang Queen songs. I thought it was worth it. Lambert and Queen I really don't like. He could sing in a Broadway style, but when I see him sing some of the Rock stuff like Dragon Attack I actually feel embarrassed to be a Queen fan. The rocks songs sound really bad. |
| aristide1 29.01.2018 12:31 |
Sons of Apollo isn't a "new band". Their music was new 20 years ago, now it's another metal jam act recycling the same generic shit. Really, a Sons of Apollo listener complains about the "inconsistent and sometimes crappy" Freddie who "borrowed and stole like any other artist"? |
| Thistle 29.01.2018 13:33 |
I don't like Adam Lambert. I'd prefer they played Queen stuff on their own. BUT...if that's what they want, and people want to see it, so be it. I attended ONE of the shows a few years ago just to see Brian one last time. I wouldn't go again. Despite not liking AL, I feel that some of the comments here are not just wrong, but completely unfair. His style was like that before he joined Queen. He was also one of the highest earners before Queen, so he's not merely "making millions from a dead legend". In fact (I need to find the exact source) I hear that AL earned more than Queen last year. It is what it is. It polarises people. As for the future, I can only ask for what everyone seems to want: archive material, demos etc. I don't want Brian to die for it, though. |
| RS_Protos 29.01.2018 14:33 |
For me it's embarrassing what they are doing now, not telling them what to do etc, it's their right. The couch thing is pathetic........ |
| mike hunt 29.01.2018 19:19 |
I never even seen the couch thing, That's how interested I am in the whole thing. When I watched Dragon Attack I never put that crap band on again. He sounded awful. In my humble opinion. |
| Vocal harmony 29.01.2018 20:46 |
aristide1 wrote: Sons of Apollo isn't a "new band". Their music was new 20 years ago, now it's another metal jam act recycling the same generic shit. Really, a Sons of Apollo listener complains about the "inconsistent and sometimes crappy" Freddie who "borrowed and stole like any other artist"?It doesn't matter what style of music, or who is in the band. It is a new band. I understand that you have problems understanding that concept. As for calling a type of music shit, sums you up really, all popular music has generic roots no matter what its style. If you're going to pick fault, learn about what your talking about. Anyone can call something shit, but that doesn't lay a solid foundation for an argument for what you believe. Borrowed and stole, yes and you can not prove any different. You seem to have taken what I've said as a criticism of Freddie. It wasn't it was a criticism of the type of person who posts on hear that Freddie was untouchable. There's a difference between that's shit and that's no good or good because. . . . |
| aristide1 30.01.2018 11:13 |
Your narrow mind is the only solid foundation I need in the argument about this ordinary Freddie of yours - the one armed with Aretha Franklin's records and dressed in Suzie Quatro's leather pants. About misunderstood concepts. Are you familiar with the concept of fanzone - people sharing admiration, not criticism marketed as "proves and facts"? |
| Vocal harmony 30.01.2018 14:38 |
aristide1, narrow mind? I don't think so, but believe what you want. As for Freddie being ordinary, I didn't say that. Aretha Fanklin, I didn't use her in any of my posts Dressed as Suzi Quatro, I didn't say that either. Go back and read the facts. Someone (Happystar) posted on here that Adam Lambert had stolen the leather look from Freddie because that was his thing. I counted that by pointing out that a number of people had done the leather thing before Freddie, back to that borrowing ideas from earlier artists. Yes I fully understand what a "fan zone" is. Unlike you I understand what an open view and a broad outlook is too. I have shared plenty of admiration for the members of the band on hear through the years. What I won't do is claim that anyone of them is untouchable as singers or musicians or that everything they created had no influence from any outside source,because that view is a million times more narrow minded than anything you can claim of me. |