thundergod 30.11.2017 20:11 |
Forum Opening December 10, 2017 |
stevelondon20 30.11.2017 22:47 |
Can we discuss earlier? |
thundergod 01.12.2017 00:16 |
Actually, no. We have a good reason not to start until Dec. 10th. Sorry friend. |
stevelondon20 01.12.2017 10:58 |
No worries mate. Look forward to it. |
dysan 01.12.2017 11:15 |
Could we have a concise appendix thread of facts found in the other thread? It's a little to large for a browse. |
SmokyQuartz 01.12.2017 18:42 |
Looking forward to it Thor and Lee! |
matt z 01.12.2017 19:50 |
PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE They're probably trying to decide on the best conjunction: Thorlee (sounds like an adjective) Leethor (Lex Leethor) Arnolin (sounds like a cleaning solution) Nolinnold (sounds like a factory additive/preservative/paint remover) Joking aside. Thank you two for offering to participate in this. Said beforehand. |
slightly mad 22 02.12.2017 16:06 |
Can’t wait |
people on streets 02.12.2017 19:50 |
Whats the use of all this? Not too sure Freddie would've appreciated a bunch of gossiping 'friends' talking about his life on a Queen fan forum. |
thundergod 02.12.2017 21:58 |
people on streets, Sorry you are so bitter about a site that has not yet started. I hope you can get a lot more love and caring from those important to you. I do and I feel great! |
YAWN 02.12.2017 22:59 |
@People on the streets Well, you didn't know Freddie. Thor and Lee did. And gossip isn't what they're doing. They're stating facts. Which is miles better than flipping through pages of bullshit made up by tabloids. Relax and give it a chance, friend. Or don't. Either way, we'll be here enjoying it. |
Iron Butterfly 02.12.2017 23:07 |
Thank you Thundergod and all who made the other thread such an enlightening and encouraging place to read and taking part in. Looking forward to more. |
Rainbow61 03.12.2017 05:30 |
@ People on Streets, It may be that your comment is due to a concern over the accuracy of information being exchanged on this thread. If so, then I appreciate that you care. However, when I hear the word "gossip", I think of something that is disrespectful...gossipers don't care about facts and they often do not care about the subject of their gossip...they care about the attention their words generate. It seems that the majority of people who have been drawn to this thread are here to honor not only Freddie's music, but the person he was outside of music. If this thread had a "National Inquirer" tone to it, then I bet most people would not be interested in participating. I'd like to think that Freddie is smiling in amazement that his fans, old and new, are still interested in his life, and that his good friends, Thor (and soon Lee) are taking time to honor that legacy by keeping it real. |
SmokyQuartz 03.12.2017 20:37 |
@ people on streets I respect that you are probably trying to protect Freddie, but why don't we give this a chance? It's not started yet... I think Villiers hit the nail bang on, this is going to be more respectful and a better tribute than the rubbish in the tabloids. :-) |
matt z 09.12.2017 03:19 |
link Just thought I'd share this bit of info. As you'd referenced in the other thread, Freddie was a fan of the film THE WOMEN. Well. This place i always go to; The Egyptian Theater in Hollyweird is screening it on January 28th along with a prior presentation about historical Hollywood. Their screenings typically use original prints or restored prints; from the best available sources. They screen both classics and ludicrous cult flicks/trash. Very often with guest stars, directors Q&A and/or discussions Some belong to directors, some belong to historical libraries etc. ...tickets go on sale next Monday, and as it's a VERY prominent popular film for a certain bunch I'm guessing the early sales are in anticipation of high ticket demands. Just trolling ur thread again, apologies. :) Carry on... Speaking of CARRY ON. ...i enjoy those silly trashy flicks. Think I'll watch one. |
Invisible Woman 09.12.2017 10:32 |
"Freddie was a fan of the film THE WOMEN". This is proof for LR1 that Freddie wanted to become a woman. I'm joking a little.:D |
thundergod 10.12.2017 02:15 |
COUNTDOWN TO NEW FORUM: 18 HOURS |
Rainbow61 10.12.2017 02:52 |
YEAH!!! |
SinkingIsland 10.12.2017 18:57 |
Hello! Looking forward to joining in. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:02 |
Hello One and All, I am hoping that you will enjoy this joint effort between Lee and myself to answer questions and celebrate Freddie's life. He was a one of a kind, creative genius but it was his genuine caring about his friends made him so much more special to Lee, John and Joe and then even Brandon. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:03 |
"friends that made him" |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:05 |
Lee will join in shortly, I am sure. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 20:09 |
Greetings everyone. Here we go. I should light the fruit hat in celebration. Freddie would SO laugh at that. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:11 |
HaHa...ah, the fruit hat. I am laughing already at that. |
miraclesteinway 10.12.2017 20:15 |
Hello Thor and Lee, I didn't join in the last thread because by the time I noticed it, it was already larger than the Torah.... Thanks for this thread, it's better than any biography written by a journalist! OK you have to tell us all what the fruit hat is! |
SinkingIsland 10.12.2017 20:23 |
I only found the previous thread yesterday. I was up, literally, all night reading. I finally found the last page, read that it was all over and was terribly disappointed until I read further to realize this would take its place. Perfect timing. I am mostly at a loss for words over my amazement and joy in Mr. Arnold's kindness and openness. Freddie found an intelligent and loyal friend. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:24 |
Lee was the creative source behind the whole making and displaying of the fruit hat. I will let him tell you about that. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:26 |
Welcome SinkingIsland, Thanks so much for the kind words. I am glad you found our new thread. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 20:26 |
Hey MiracleSteinway. Not to start with a story about me, but here goes. #1 Freddie’s got a huge kick out of the fruit hat. I brought it with me the last time Thor and I visited the Garden Lodge together, and put it on after dinner one night when we went up to say goodnight to Freddie. I had it left over from when I use to direct Singing Waiters on Cape Cod. It was my version of the fruit hat Carmen Miranda wore in The Lady with the Tutti Frutti hat.......except that mine lit up. I had to attach the girl singing to a 20 foot extension cord, as she re-enacted the song before amazed diners. It was upgraded to a battery pack for the visit to London in 91. I’ll try and find a photo of Ms Miranda on line to post. Then, when I have the guts, I’ll post one of me in it. HA! |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:30 |
And Welcome miraclesteinway ! Glad to have you participate. |
Sheldon 10.12.2017 20:39 |
I don't really feel like asking anything right now, but I would like to say that it's really fantastic that you guys are doing this. I'm sure this thread will bring lots of joy to dozens (or, hopefully, hundreds) of people. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 20:50 |
Welcome Sheldon, (or are you young Sheldon...lol), Thanks so much for your support. When you do have a question, don't hesitate to ask. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 20:56 |
Thanks Sheldon. This COULD be a spectator sport, though chime i at any time. |
SmokyQuartz 10.12.2017 20:59 |
Hi Thor and Lee....and Welcome to Lee! It's great to have the opportunity to talk to you both. I have a question that may have got a bit lost on the last thread.....so here goes: Freddie once said in an interview that he was petrified of being alone. It was a snippet of an interview and he didn't elaborate. I'm curious whether you got that impression with him, or whether you'd have any ideas as to what this was about. I always thought creative people have to be alone to create, lol. That said, he also said in an early interview that he locked himself away to write. Thanks! :-) |
miraclesteinway 10.12.2017 21:06 |
I have a question, it's a bit silly. Did you ever visit Karaoke bars with Freddie and did he ever sing in them? Were they even a thing then? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 21:11 |
SmokyQuartz. Hi, and thanks for the question. It's my opinion that petrified is a strong word, but if he actually said it I guess it was in his vocabulary. There wasn't that much of an opportunity for him to be completely alone, so solitude might have been cherished from time to time. Perhaps, in this interview, he was referring to having that number one person in his life, as in a significant other. I don't doubt that his childhood was filled with lonely moments, as he was away at school, and not around his family as much as most people are through their childhood. I'm confident that a situation like that can make you more aware of those around you throughout your life. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 21:15 |
Hey miraclesteinway, Oh no, Freddie would never want to do karaoke. In New York, he wanted to be a "musician named Fred." His voice would have betrayed him in that endeavor. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 21:26 |
Thor.......could you JUST imagine had Freddie done that? What a hoot. I DO think that was a great question. Keep em coming MiracleSteinway, Imagine him doing a 30's standard or something? |
thundergod 10.12.2017 21:31 |
That would have been fun for sure, but it would not have been Freddie at all. He never sang for or with his friends when he was off-stage. |
SmokyQuartz 10.12.2017 21:32 |
Thanks Lee for your response, petrified is a strong word and I'm going on memory, but as I recall, Freddie wasn't saying it with strong emotion, rather it seemed to be just used descriptively, for emphasis. The interview is on You Tube somewhere and if I ever come across it again I'll link you to it. :-) |
Katydyd5 10.12.2017 21:39 |
I'm so glad you are both here. I have a couple of questions, but I'll get to them later. In the meantime, Lee, you must post a picture of you in the fruit hat! |
miraclesteinway 10.12.2017 21:39 |
I'd love to have heard him do a '30's standard, and in fact had he still been here today, that's something I could picture him delving in to, like Annie Lennox did recently (well, 5 years ago). Of course, I can't remember a time when Freddie wasn't famous, and in the UK there was no chance that he wouldn't be recognised a few times while out and about so it's funny to me that in NYC he wanted to be "a musician named Fred" - but then I do remember on some of the documentaries it was said that he could be more anonymous there. I could imagine Freddie standing up in a Karaoke bar and someone going "hey, that sounds a bit like.... oh...." Did he ever talk about music with you? I mean in terms of the creative process of making the music, or was his friendship with you more detached from his work? There are things I'd love to ask him - like how exactly did he think a rock band would get away with a 19th Century Viennese pastiche called "The Millionaire Waltz" and for it to actually not just work, but be totally excellent! Did he talk about the influences on his music? Did he ever mention about the process behind say, Seaside Rendezvous, March of the Black Queen, or the original version of Love of My Life? Those would be the things I'd want to talk about with him, to sit in a room with two pianos and have a little jam and he could sing whilst talking through some of his compositions. I'd love to know exactly how he worked out his vocal harmonisations - some of it is incredibly complicated, and even more so when one considers he had little or no formal training, and certainly not in species counterpoint (unless he read through numerous books on the subject, which given most of the first four albums, I wouldn't be surprised if he did a little research....) Also, in interviews, he talked a lot about Mr Bad Guy, the LP I mean, and how good it was going to be. Of course it wasn't a commercial success and although it contains some strokes of genius (the Mr Bad Guy track itself is beautiful), it's probably not overall his best work. Did he talk about the album with you, before or after its release and did he ever mention what he thought of it as a piece of work? I'm kind of drivelling, but when I think about Freddie, I can't help but absolutely geek out over the way his music is composed, and be bewildered by exactly where it came from within him. I mean, it's fun to read about the parties and some of the antics.... Finally, for now anyway, as I see it Freddie was a genius - his creativity that he displayed particularly on the early albums was off the scale. Did he realise he was a genius? I don't really take any quips or off-the-cuff remarks from his interviews as being all that serious (the things like "I always knew I was a star and now the rest of the world seems to agree"). Or was he just Fred? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 21:41 |
SmokyQuartz That would be great. Thor That comment about Freddie is an understatement. Other than an occasional vocal ease to clear his thought or a smattering of something he might have been working on with Ms. Caballe, or something, he NEVER broke into song as I recall. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 21:58 |
MiracleSteinway. It's clear you are a musician. I don't remember the last time I heard someone use "counterpoint" (at which I was AMAZING, LOL) in a sentence. My degrees are in the Performing Arts, with an emphasis on Music. Advanced Theory gave me a run for my money, but I completely loved Counterpoint Class. I think that's because it's based on theorems, like Geometry vs Algebra. I aced Geometry but Algebra, yuck. That being said, having spent as much time as I did in Music classes, and appreciating what a genius Freddie was at what he did, I would NEVER embark on a discussion that would in any way question his choices. I DID often have a "How the hell did you come up with that" feeling about his work. I have in the past googled the questions you have.......the Bohemian Rhapsody story is very interesting. |
miraclesteinway 10.12.2017 22:12 |
- oh I wasn't questioning his choices at all, I just wondered how he came up with what he came up with. My guess is that throughout his youth he put his favourite music on repeat until he worked out every part - or it just went into his brain by osmosis. I can imagine him sitting at the piano trying to work out exactly what was going on in his favourite records. God knows I did that with Queen albums in my teenage years (and still didn't find everything). I suppose his influences were quite complicated, and I hazard a guess that his time in India must have influenced him in at least some way. I am a musician yes, I've just finished recording the 6 partitas of Bach for a small label in Italy, and I'm playing third Rachmaninoff concerto with my local symphony at easter, but I've very little patience when it comes to sitting down to compose (something I'd like to change) despite being able to sit for hours in piano practice mode. What's your instrument Lee? |
beemack74 10.12.2017 22:50 |
Hello again Thor, and Hello and welcome, Lee. I don't have any questions yet but I would just like to echo other's comments in saying it is fantastic to have the both of you here and I am very much looking forward to reading some more wonderful stories about the man who has brought us all together here, Mr Freddie Mercury! |
YAWN 10.12.2017 22:52 |
Hi Lee! After glancing through Peter Freestone's first book again recently, he says one of the things that was different about the New York Daughters (that Freddie wasn't used to) was having to wait on them as they had jobs and lives of their own. Freddie was accustomed to having people drop everything to hang out with him, and it turns out Freddie really liked that about you. He felt like just one of the guys, instead of "Freddie Mercury- superstar". Did you guys ever know that something as simple as a call saying "No Freddie, I can't get there until I'm off work." made him happy? You guys made him feel normal and accepted. I think that's great. Also, were you both familiar with Bill Reid? Any thoughts you'd like to share on him? Peter made it pretty clear what kind of a guy he was, but I'm wondering if either of you have any stories about him or if Freddie mentioned anything to you guys. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 23:05 |
MiracleSteinway. I was a voice major. Though classically trained, I didn’t have anything along the lines of a big voice. In grad school they let me pick a focus that included Operetetta and “meatier Broadway”. I eventually ended up pursuing a career in New York theatre, but that was short lived. |
miraclesteinway 10.12.2017 23:10 |
Thanks Lee: So as a voice major, I can ask you, on this forum and in many other places online there has been much discussion about the changes in Freddie's voice over his 20 year recording career. Did Freddie ever talk about his voice changes or did he just get on with it? I know voices change over time, but people talk about for instance the difference in tone between A night at the opera and A kind of magic, and then Innuendo. I've a friend who went to pursue a career in NY, he was in the Book of Mormon, I haven't seen him for a few years sadly but we're still in touch. Actually he worked with Brian May on something for some reason, but he doesn't actually know him beyond that project. I couldn't tell you what it was he did, it was about 7 or 8 years ago. |
thundergod 10.12.2017 23:13 |
I guess Lee is out for now, but I will let him answer the comments by miraclesteinway and Villiers.just above. Also, I know this thread has just started but unfortunately I start jury duty tomorrow (Monday) morning. The first day usually lasts about 8 hours and is a full day but if I do not get assigned to a case, this could be my first and last day for two more years. Anyway, I'll keep you all informed at about 7pm PDT (California time). Thanks, Thor |
Blenkolove 10.12.2017 23:18 |
Merry Christmas!!! And Great Big Welcome to Lee and of course Thor!! How exciting is this?????? The previous thread was Sooooo helpful in making Freddie out to be the true and authentic person I always felt he was......compared to the way many biographies n such made him out to be!!! The way YOU Thor described Fred's thoughts, actions and loyalties Jive SOOO much better with what my 'gut' was feeling......I look SOOO forward to what else this thread will reveal about the 'real Freddie!! During this week interlude....i found 'Ask Phoebe' and That too is also very very enlightening!!!! THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS MAGICAL GIFT!!! |
YAWN 10.12.2017 23:24 |
Thor, as an attorney, I thank you for your time and doing your civic obligation. But as a normal person, I feel for you lol. Nobody likes having to do it. Let's hope you aren't stuck there for too long. Yikes :( |
thundergod 10.12.2017 23:35 |
Thanks Villiers, I don't mind doing it, but I hate the first day with all the hanging around. Thank God Lee lent me his "Freddie Mercury by Peter Freestone with David Evans" book.which I intend to read more thoroughly than I did years ago. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.12.2017 23:58 |
Lots of thoughts to care, so I apologize for the rambling. JURY DUTY!!!!!! YUCK!!!!! For some reason I have been spared that treat. DON'T know how, but I've never had to go. I think they should have a different process by which they choose who is called, but that's just me. Bill Reed.........hhhhhmmmm.........Villiers, Bill Reed has been accurately described on all accounts that I have seen. Let me say something about the New York Daughters. From Day 2, we were an immediate entity in Freddie's life. We....Thor, Joe, John, and myself, traveled in a pack great deal of the time. In fact some people referred to us as the Rack Pack, as in the Famous Las Vegas Rat Pack, that consisted of Dean Martin, Shirley McLaine, Sammy Davis, Jr., etc. When were showed up we didn't enter a room we sort of "arrived" someone once said. We had four distinctively different personalities. We didn't have to visit en masse to hang with Freddie. We all had to be at our jobs, but so often had the chance to arrange our schedule to have special play time with Freddie. Because of that, I'm not sure that Freddie's men took kindly to any attention he gave us, as it meant, as in this case Bill, less attention was sent in their direction. I got the same inference when we met Jim Hutton, thought he was much more the gentlemen, at all times. We DID have time with Bill in our company, though often their bickering caused him to be eliminated from our play time.........something he brought about himself. One of my FAVORITE Freddie quotes, of which we have have dozens, came when Freddie was REALLY angry with Bill about something or other. Bill and I were both originally from New Jersey, and once when Freddie was REALLY angry with Bill he blurted out........."I'M GOING TO BUY NEW JERSEY............AND BURN IT DOWN.............EXCEPT FOR KATHLEEN'S MOTHER!!!!!! We roared. Blenkolove I wanna check out the Ask Phoebe thread. We are still in touch via Facebook, and it's always a thrill to see his name cross my Facebook Page. It can't be said enough.....Phoebe was and is, Charming, kind, thoughtful, likable, lovable, giving of himself, and all around a wonderful man, There's no surprise that he shot of has his own fan base. MiracleSteinway In regards to Freddie's voice changing......hhhhhmmmmm......other than gaining strength and character as he got older, irregardless of any medical issues that have been intimated over the years, I can't really say I noticed any other change in his vocals. I don't want anyone to flat line here........but........though I MUST have heard Bohemian Rhapsody and other numbers I wasn't familiar wit Queen, and I had no idea who Freddie Mercury was when they said we were heading out to meet up with him. (I was locked in a practice room, or in a dance class for most of the 70's, and was pursuing my Broadway goals. ) I immediately realized I was making a new special buddy when we met for the first time, and we would soon connect on many levels, Did I miss any subjects?........Fair warning..........Verbosity has never been a shortcoming of mine.......LOL |
c.jory 11.12.2017 00:05 |
I'm screaming - that's the third quote I've read where Freddie's threatened to buy a place/venue and destroy it hahaha! Love it! One is in Brian May's photo book where he threatened to buy a place because the bouncer turned him away for wearing the wrong clothes! Freddie wasn't even rich yet at that time! I remember Phoebe's book had something like that about Bill getting jealous of his friends. RE: Jim Hutton, Phoebe gave the impression he sometimes got irritated he didn't have enough one-to-one time with Freddie, cos he always had people over! |
YAWN 11.12.2017 00:51 |
Lee, thank you. I loved that bit about Freddie threatening to buy NJ and burn it down. That's my kind of petty LOL. Sounds like everyone agrees on Bill. I'm left wondering what Freddie liked so much about him. Jim seemed much more relaxed and non aggressive. Sounds like you guys had a blast together. I'm personally thankful that my hero found some genuine people like you guys that made him laugh and brought him joy. It can't be easy for a celebrity to real friends. You gave him that :) btw, I'm sending a private message your way, Lee |
Catus 11.12.2017 01:13 |
It is so great to have BOTH of you here! Thank you so much for doing this for all of us, I am looking forward to following this thread. |
matt z 11.12.2017 01:23 |
@Lee Kathleen Nolan It could be worse, you could be terse. |
Blenkolove 11.12.2017 02:14 |
Freddie was quoted as saying he was going to be a Legend.........and in fact...Became a Legend!!! But one can't help but wonder if he had ANY IDEA JUST WHAT KIND OF LEGEND HE IS TODAY?????!!!!!! My three and four year old grandaughters are his BIGGEST FANS!!! His music....most of which is New to me (with the exception of Boz Scaggs and Billy Joel....i was a Greatest Hits and Now that's what I call music consumer) calms me, energizes me, gives me the strength to make it thru my worst day, rocks my world when I'm on my way to ANOTHER day at work.....He AND HIS VOICE JUST CAPTIVATES AND MESMERIZES ME!!!! To know how HARD he fought to record EVERYTHING HE COULD......FOR US.....makes me quit whining about all the crap in my life, suck it up, and face the world with All I have....because Freddie's Strength and his music make it all bearable and beautiful!! To me......FREDDIE IS LOVE |
thundergod 11.12.2017 02:26 |
Wow Blenkolove, Well said! BRAVO. |
Katydyd5 11.12.2017 02:29 |
"a musician named Fred" fascinates me. I know I could find this info in several books, and Thor probably covered it in the first thread, but I got to that thread late. Could you recount the story of how you met? Who was he with in the bar? Did he call himself Fred and tell you he was a musician? I've read that he often found a dark corner to sit in so he could survey the scene and then send his friends out to meet people he might be interested in and then bring them back to him. Did that happen with you? I appreciate that both of you are willing to share your lives with all of us. It's really been fun to see Freddie through your eyes. |
Stop The Madness 11.12.2017 02:30 |
Good I'm glad this thread is finally happening. I watched the Thor pages for months and I was disgusted. I'm hoping this one will be better. The man I looked up to wasn't a gay. He could not have been a gay man. Lee what kind of women did Freddie go for? Did you see him get women? I think everyone lied about him not going for girls and I think they probably just burned the photo proof to keep the gay story going for fans. Peter Freestone was with him all the time and still says that a man that talented and that handsome wasn't interested in women. I know he's your friend but I think he's a liar too. |
Dustin Zimmerman 11.12.2017 02:35 |
I was bummed to see the old one ended but this new one is great. It probably was a better idea to start a new thread entirely. I joined in around page 40 and even I never finished reading the whole thing. Is it cool to ask questions that's have already been brought up in the other post? To get Lee's views on stuff that is |
Dustin Zimmerman 11.12.2017 02:42 |
@Stop The Madness Try to remember that opossum isnt brain food. |
thundergod 11.12.2017 02:44 |
Of course Dustin Zimmerman. I will be glad to repeat stories from the old thread and Lee will too. |
thundergod 11.12.2017 02:50 |
Well MADNESS...you sure live up to your name. So let's STOP it right now. If it is too difficult for you to even imagine that Freddie would not be attracted to your private parts...keep hating, maybe someone will listen to you or better yet...go away. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 11.12.2017 02:56 |
Dear Stop the Madness. Thanks for your input....NOT STOP THE FUCKING MADNESS. Freddie left the last 12 plus years of his life as a gay man. G....A......Y........GAY man.....homosexual.....liked men for sex........didn't like pretending he wasn't. You don't belong here if you can't speak in intelligent sentences. I pity your mentality. |
Stop The Madness 11.12.2017 02:57 |
Well THOR. I'm a man so that's not an issue. Im a man who loves women and you're telling me my idol was a gay. Are you saying that because it's true or because you WANT it to be true? He was too talented and too handsome to stick to just men. |
Stop The Madness 11.12.2017 02:59 |
I can't respect a gay man. If Freddie was a gay I'm no longer a fan. So fine he was gay. Anyone want to buy my queen records? I don't want gay shit in my house. |
thundergod 11.12.2017 03:02 |
S the M, Even worse that you are a man. Because YOU love women sexually does not mean anyone does or should. Lee and I were only his friends for 11 years but you think you know him better. Sad |
thundergod 11.12.2017 03:03 |
Bye,bye now! |
YAWN 11.12.2017 03:03 |
As a fellow member of the LGBT community, let me just say: fuck off, STM. I'm not straight and I managed to become a lawyer. Thor isn't straight and he saved lives. Freddie was gay and he changed the face of music. We aren't beneath you. You're a sad little man in desperate need of some therapy. Piss off- you won't be missed. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 11.12.2017 03:07 |
be gone Stop The Madness. Be gone before someone drops a house on YOU! There, I just sent something a little gay to your house See ya Wouldn't wanna be ya |
thundergod 11.12.2017 03:09 |
You go Villier's |
thundergod 11.12.2017 03:13 |
correction:" because you love women sexually, it does not mean that everyone does or should" |
Dustin Zimmerman 11.12.2017 03:19 |
Stop The Madness, this next question is for you. Hope you like it. Lee Peter talked about Freddie's type of man. Cab driver type lol. Thor told us he helped Freddie bag a guy he had his eye for a while. Did you guys all help him out in that department? I have a buddy who FREEZES in front of people he likes. He totally shuts down and it took myself and my other friend John to introduce him to the person he ended up staying with for 6 years. Was Freddie that way? Did he approach men himself or was he too shy? There always seemed to be two Freddies. The larger than life legend and then there was the shy guy that kept his eyes down. I'm guessing he was outgoing on stage and in groups of people he felt comfortable with but perhaps was more reserved in the company of those he didn't know too well |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 11.12.2017 03:27 |
I think a lot of Gay men have two sides as you just described. Sometimes they are right out there going after who they want, and sometimes their shyness takes over and their friends help. Thor, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember two kinds of hookups with which we helped Freddiie. On occasion it might be "hey my friend likes you but is very shy". My friends did that for me,on occasion, and shy I'm not....... and there was the situation where we would say "I have a special person who thinks you're hot. Come say ' HI' ". That's how I remember it anyway. I could be wrong in that memory, but I think when it came to that Freddie was a normal Gay man...........they see what they like, but rejection ALWAYS sucks. |
thundergod 11.12.2017 03:30 |
Hey Dustin, I think you are right on on everything you just said. Freddie the gregarious showman and friend but very shy about meeting strangers. I think he was made fun of when he was a child (probably due to his teeth)...buckie is a horrible nickname for anyone while growing up. By the way, most of the time when out together, I noticed this and would try to introduce him to people. He never asked me to. |
YAWN 11.12.2017 03:40 |
Funny you guys say that, because it's something I noticed as well. Jim Hutton was approached by Freddie pretty boldly (lol) while Peter also told stories of Freddie asking Joe or Paul to approach men for him. Then again, he also said for weeks after Freddie first met Jim, he asked Joe to run into certain bars and see if Jim was there. Lol my friends and I do the same. I asked my friends to check to see if someone I had my eye on was a regular at her bar for a few weeks. I dated her for a year. She was bat sh*t nuts, but it was a fun year LOL. Thor, I'm glad you guys were around to introduce him to people. I think you're right that he was bullied at school, and although it may have given him some tough skin, it's never easy to get rejected or laughed at. Seeing as he still covered his teeth with his hands when he laughed up until he died, I think it's something that was still always in the back of his mind. |
Dustin Zimmerman 11.12.2017 03:46 |
Thor good point. I'm sure being picked on at school followed him into adulthood. He seemed to have a sense of humor about it in certain situations but deep down it was probably something that still bothered him a little. His teeth that is. Lee that's great that you guys got together to help each other our like that. Reminds me of the first time my older brother tried to hook me up with someone from school. He told me he would play it cool. He walked up to this girl, pointed at me, said something, then she made a face and walked away. I asked him what he said to her and he replied "I told her you were shy but you wanted to ask her....baby, did you fart? Because you blew me away." I sure hope you guys had better pick ups lines for Freddie and his men lol |
Blenkolove 11.12.2017 04:20 |
I know this is gonna sound weird.........and I admit I myself...am a little weird......BUT I LOVE FREDDIE'S TEETH!!!!!!!! I WISH I COULD FIND MORE PICTURES OF HIM SMILING WITH HIS TEETH AND NOT PUTTING HIS HAND UP TO COVER THEM. HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE SMILE WITH HIS TEETH. The few pictures I have seen just make me smile more!!! I've worked in the Dental field for over 20 years and while Veneers and crowns make Lots o'money for the practice.....i HATE the homogeneous facade that this 'plastic ' society has thrust upon the masses!!!!! I encourage my patients to embrace their individuality!! If they have gaps in their teeth but their teeth are healthy.....why not embrace it.....it adds charm and character!! Whiten teeth??? Well, ok if your teeth are healthy....but NOT TO THE POINT THAT THEY ARE AN ARTIFICIAL WHITE!! I remember a time when 'capping one's front teeth just became a 'thing'....but Even then...you didn't want too perfect teeth As others would assume u had DENTURES!!!!!!!! Anyhoo......Freddie's teeth are one of his features that I REALLY LIKE and it makes me a little sad that he felt so insecure about them. Plus...they looked to be very strong and healthy teeth!! I also really like the slight speech impediment you can hear from time to time that his Overbite GAVE him. After all my Freddie research these last eight months or so......my science nerd kicked in and I couldn't help but wonder if Fred"s Overbite contributed to his vulnerability to contract AIDS as you can see in some photos just how deep his overbite/overjet were And that allowed his lower anterior teeth to Supererupt.....and my experience with this kind of bite allows the lower teeth to penetrate into the soft tissue of the palate....therefore providing a direct route for infection by this open port????????? .....just a thought....... |
Rainbow61 11.12.2017 07:00 |
Hi Thor and Lee, Thor, it’s great to have you back…and Lee, so excited you have decided to join us. I knew this revised thread would prove to be popular! Every now and then we are fortunate enough to meet people that we immediately know are destined to be our friends. Finding those people is one of life’s magic moments…Kismet! It sounds like you both had that with Freddie as he had with you. That so many people feel connected to Freddie who have never met him is testament to an immensely appealing quality he had. I was wondering…was the social climate such during the early 80’s in NYC that you could be open in public about who you were dating? Apart from the relative comfort zone of the bars or Freddie’s apartment, would a person who saw Freddie out in a restaurant or walking along the street with Bill Reid have surmised they were a couple or did the need to remain private about his life preclude that possibility, even in NYC where he enjoyed a fair amount of anonymity? (Feel free to include what it would have been like for you during that time as well if that doesn’t seem too nosy) Lee...you will enjoy the "Ask Phoebe" column. He always seemed like a gentle soul to me. |
miraclesteinway 11.12.2017 08:18 |
"Stop the Madness" is just a troll..... |
miraclesteinway 11.12.2017 08:24 |
I do want to ask about Freddie's attitude to public knowledge about his sexuality. It's widely thought that Freddie somehow hid his sexuality from the public, and it's true there are a few photos of him at events well into the 1980s when he has Mary beside him and Jim Hutton perhaps in the background. But from watching Queen videos, interviews, any available footage, it seems to me that Freddie didn't hide his sexuality per se, he just didn't come out publicly in the media. In fact there is an interview from the mid-1980s where a journalist asked him if "I want to break free" was written for the "gay world", and he answers that to start off with, it wasn't written by him, it was written by John who is married with 4 children. While it seems Freddie valued his privacy, how concerned was he that the public would find out he was gay? Or did he not mention it? |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.12.2017 08:52 |
Hi Thor and Lee. Where were the Freddie favorite clubs in New York and why? I also see a photo with Heaven famous discoteque in London. Do you think cruising was an insult to gay community? |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.12.2017 08:52 |
Cruising the film, I mean. |
Dustin Zimmerman 11.12.2017 09:23 |
Miraclestinway Freddie hinted at his sexuality on stage wearing gay club shirts and such but he was terrified of being outed. I've spoken with Freestone about it in the past. He used Mary and Barbara as beards but Barbara was just a friend, never a lover and Mary stopped being a lover in the mid 70s. He actively hid being gay in the press by holding Mary or Barbaras hand if press were around and making his boyfriends walk behind them. He also asked David Wigg specifically NOT to print that he was in a relationship with a man in the 1987 Ibiza interview when Freddie was talking about how happy he was with Jim. David asked "Can I say that its with a man?" And Freddie replied "NO! You mustnt say that!". That audio can be found in The Untold Story doc. It was one thing to hint about it, it was another to be outed. Remember that according to David Minns, Freddie's parents knew he was gay and confronted him which made him very upset and he also had to take the band into consideration. So he was made to feel some shame about it while also trying to explore it. It had to be hard. I believe it was Brian that said the band once had to tell Freddie to tone down the gay vibe in some song or album he was working on because they felt like it excluded their straight fan base. So he tried to venture out and was left trying to find a balance. He came out to John Reid and someone who ran the Fan Club years ago and said "I'm gay and I'm in love with a man but I can't tell anyone because it would ruin everything". That tells you right there.. |
Dustin Zimmerman 11.12.2017 09:24 |
I know that was for Thor and Lee to answer but I thought I'd toss that info in. Sorry |
YAWN 11.12.2017 09:33 |
To add to Dustin's comment, I'm just gonna leave this photo here. Lol. Like Peter Freestone said, Freddie never denied being gay. But I do believe he was very aware of what coming out would do to his career. Glam rock was all about the bisexual image, but being gay wasnt as accepted. Which is stupid, but that's how it was. Freddie was just not comfortable with coming out as gay at the time. I do wonder if he had made it to 2017, if he would have came out. It's a different time now...but I guess we'll never know. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.12.2017 09:43 |
Remember Villiers the glam artist in Elektra Jobriath. He said he was gay, and all US denied him everything....very sad and horrible story. Jobriath deserved being a star and not being insulted by his sexuality. At least, to me is the same proud being gay, heteresexual or bisexual. No matter that, matter the person in my humble opinion. |
YAWN 11.12.2017 09:51 |
Yes, and that's the sad part of it. Back then, if you came out as gay it could ruin your career. Imagine working as hard as Freddie and the boys did in the beginning, just to be slammed by the press because you arent bisexual, but gay. It make no sense, but that's just how It was back then. Such a shame because many a gay entertainer have had to cover it up. Their sexuality shouldn't have had any effect on their legacy. Poor Liberace denied it his entire life (although LESBI-HONEST, we all knew LOL). The man even sued a mahazine for trying to out him once. His estate still claims he didnt die of an AIDS related illness when he definitely did. All because of the fear of whay it would do to his career. I'd like to think that the majority of the world is more open minded these days...excluding Stop The Madness, of course. |
raucousmonster 11.12.2017 11:05 |
I love the idea of Freddie being too shy to approach someone in a club. It's just one more endearing thing about him. Mind you, as someone else pointed out here already there's nothing shy about walking up to Jim and demanding to know how big his member was. Maybe the showbiz sherbet gave him extra confidence that night. ;) But I can imagine rejection would be hard for Freddie - if nothing else he might have envisioned some guy telling all his friends that Freddie Mercury asked him out and he rejected him. On the subject of sticky rejections I was at a wedding in Scotland on Saturday and the best man shared a story about how the groom worked in the Virgin megastore and really fancied a girl who worked alongside him. He never had the nerve to even talk to her as she was so beautiful but a few years later he bumped into her again and decided to just go for it. She asked how he was doing and he innocently replied "I'm still at Virgin". The girl blushed and assured him that he'd meet somebody special one day and then hurried away. I know that's not Freddie related but I'm still chuckling about that and thought you'd get a kick out of it. :) |
Rainbow61 11.12.2017 14:26 |
As far as my question about Freddie being open about who he dated in NYC, I was referring more to subtle social cues. Often you see two people in public who give off the "couple vibe" If you are really paying attention you can just tell they are" together" even if you don't see the typical overt signs. So I was wondering if Freddie even allowed himself even those subtle forms of affection/expression in public or did his responsibilities to the band...family considerations etc. overrule such displays? |
Rainbow61 11.12.2017 16:35 |
Thor, Will be interested to hear about your jury experience. About a decade ago I did grand jury duty. It was a couple times a week for over a month. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Not only was it interesting, but I was pleasantly surprised how seriously the grand jury panel took their duty. Much discussion...nothing the DA presented was rubber stamped. I wonder how jury duty works in other countries? Would Freddie have ever received a notice to report for jury duty?.... "Sorry, I will be unavailable at that that time...will be in the middle of a world tour with my band!" |
Invisible Woman 11.12.2017 17:51 |
Hi Thor,Hi Lee Thanks for the new thread, I think this will be interesting as the previous one. Lee, we have already asked Thor for this and I would like you to tell us which Freddie's and Queen's song,album and music video you like most? Question for both of you: we know about the female nicknames he called his male friends. How many Freddie called you with your real names and how many with nicknames? When did you talk with him did you used more Freddie or more "Melina"?Have you ever been bothered by these female nicknames? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 01:02 |
Dustin That was funny. I’d like to think we were clever and inviting. LOL |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 01:02 |
Dustin That was funny. I’d like to think we were clever and inviting. LOL |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 01:30 |
Lots of comments to catch up on today. I checked the thread a couple of times today, and then WOW...........the participation is fantastic. Where should we start? The first thing I wanna say will cover several subjects. One thing that struck me about Freddie is that when we went out, if he was recognized, he was recognized. In the gay bars there might have been some whispering when they saw him, but I don't remember anyone being offensive. They were very respectful. Thor, do you remember any "crazies" when we were out and about? I don't remember ANY time that his being spotted made it to the tabloids. It was a non issue almost. Freddie enjoyed going to see Thor at work, the leather bars, Studio 54, and the Saint. The Saint might have been where I first met him........or it might have been Uncle Charlie's Video Bar. I found him to be himself when we were out, but a bit more reserved. He never made a scene. There WAS a night out that I'll never forget. We went out in Chicago after the concert, and as we were dancing, Freddie got into it, and all of a sudden he was being lifted into the air by others on the floor........people that we didn't know. I don't remember if they knew it was him, or they were just helping someone having a good time to have a better time........he had a HUGE smile on his face. As far as Freddie and Bill being out together, Bill was pretty low key, unless he was starting an argument The nicknames.........for some reason Peter and I were always Phoebe and Kathleen. As proper daughters we referred to him as Mother. I don't think I ever called him Melina. Friends of his that we would meet, DID call him Melina, and he referred to himself as Mother most of the time. I got a kick out of it, but as a rule when I talk about Freddie and our Friendship, I pick and choose who I tell about the Kathleen saga. Joe and John weren't around as much, and more often than not they were Joe and John.........and who would want to mess with the name Thor? LOL It doesn't get better than that. HA ! One time he referred to himself as Melina sticks in my mind as my favorite. It is actually a video used in Freddie's Loves. He was in a REALLY good mood, and when the camera got to him he sang, "EVERY NIGHTS A PARTIE.......AND MELINA'S MANSION". I wish we had audio here, as his inflection was hysterical. If Freddie had lived a full life WOULD he have eventually come out. Hard to say. Queen would still be going strong, that's for sure. I'm jumping around here..........what have I left out? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 01:37 |
Apocolipsis_Darko I'm gonna ask Thor about accuracy here, but I think Cruising showed it how it was........maybe only the "darker" aspects, of course, but all that WAS going on. As far as the gay population being offended..........somebody is always offended by something, but the gay population on New York knew that this scene was prevalent, AND they also knew there were many other scenes through the city in the late 70's and early 80's. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 01:57 |
Bienkolove That thought line about susceptible tissue in the mouth would truly be a conversation starter. It is not unusual, that when discussing safer sex, that it is suggested that one doesn't brush their teeth, there by exposing delicate tissue to invasion. That brings the conversation to the subject of kissing. My Doctor in L.A., who I will not give up even though I now live in Palm Springs, is brilliant, and has had many AIDS patients in his practice. Speaking as a gay man HE once told me "if you got it from kissing, we all would have it." I have remained HIV Negative, I am tested regularly, and I have been tested over 40 times since the test started in 1986. Whatever I'm doing, I'm doing the right thing. |
Katydyd5 12.12.2017 02:00 |
Lee, you are a born storyteller! I'm having so much fun reading this thread. I could be way off on this, but I thought I remembered Thor saying Freddie wasn't a very good dancer. Am I imagining that? What did you think? He moved so well on stage that it's hard to think of him as anything but great on a dance floor. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 02:11 |
LOL Kaydyd5 I was JUST going to answer your question from page 4. I said Freddie was getting "into it"........I didn't say he was dancing well......LOL LOL That's probably why he was smiling when they lifted him up and started throwing him around........ His concerts speak for themselves. That man could move.......disco dancing? John Travolta would have had nothing to worry about LOL DO ask Thor to tell the first night story again. I always enjoy hearing it. I try to get him to give actual dialogue, which would register to me as I know their voices, speech delivery, and attitude. You made me smile, PS. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 02:16 |
Villiers You are an attorney? Did you say that? |
matt z 12.12.2017 02:36 |
An ordinary question : That you know of....aside from maybe a great big feast procured by Phoebe and maybe a tree...did Freddie do the "Christmas" celebration thing each year? Mass... broadcast or anything like that. I'm non religious, just trying to get my mind rolling. Also....if ever. ...was Freddie a prankster? I've never heard any such story related. Closest thing I've read was Thor's story regarding backstage food selections and his demand for abundant hot food items. (*only to never have a bite) ...but that hardly qualifies as an intentional feat |
Katydyd5 12.12.2017 02:39 |
LOL! I wonder why there was a difference between moving on stage and dancing in a club. I'll be honest and admit that his go at ballet was, shall we say, courageous. I think it's fun, and even sweet, but not exactly gifted. However, he's mesmerizing on the rock stage. Why didn't it translate ? Thor, you see that Lee suggested you tell the first night story again complete with dialogue! I'm all ears. : ) |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 02:46 |
My favorite Freddie .......videos/songs Anything Monseratt and Barcelona I was born to love you Fat bottomed girls I'm going slightly Mad Bad Guy CD His very last video All later stuff after I knew him........ Bohem Rhap goes without saying |
YAWN 12.12.2017 02:54 |
Lee, yes sir! I come from a long line of lawyers too. My father, grandfather, uncles and 2 aunts. All sharks lol. I only just saw your response via private message by the way. Responding soon! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 03:01 |
ok Matt Z i'm gonna let you out me here I..... Kathleen Kodak..... joker....... too kind for his own good......... TROUBLE MAKER (obviously........LOL.......NOT).......was the cause of that problem. I think it was the Chicago concert. We got backstage.......we were always invited back before the cool down was done........we were family..... Freddie says....KathLEEN ( which is how he said it), why aren't you eating.....? I said....."I'm good....kinda want something warm........." OOOOMMMMGGG was THAT the wrong thing to say. Began the tirade about there not being hot food. Mother's voice was raised and off it went..... They were supposed to have hot food, but I was REALLY ok........ everyone froze..... Brian, Roger, and John were WTF..............LOL Off Freddie went on his rant The next night?.......LOTS of hot food........................................and no one ate...............OUCH Won't do that again...............were ONLY I was given the chance now .........SAD FACE....... |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 03:02 |
Villers What is your professional focus? What type of law? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 03:13 |
PS on the hot food story........ after the rant Freddie turned to me and said something along the lines of "Fun to see Mother go off Darling?....LOL" |
YAWN 12.12.2017 03:13 |
Family law for me, Lee. I'm brand new, and loving it so far! |
thundergod 12.12.2017 03:16 |
Oh-oh I am back from jury duty...but exhausted! This was my day, Up at 6:15am....parked at the trolley stop...rode the trolley to NEAR the courthouse. Walked 8 blocks to the actual courthouse...patted down because I have a metal knee...entered the jury room and waited, waited, waited until my name was called at 10:30AM...went to the assigned courtroom...waited, waited, waited...called in at 11:15am along with 49 others. Each person was asked a set of printed questions...by # 18 it was lunch time. We were warned not to be late and be back at 1:30pm SHARP. We waited and waited and the judge became available, 20 minutes late! being a smart aleck, I announced after we all were kept waiting outside the courtroom in a loud voice. "Now I see why we were told to show up exactly on time." Many laughs. So they finished interviewing the rest of the 49 possible jurors, it was time for a 15 minute (don't be late) break at 3:15pm. At 4:15pm we were admitted back to the courtroom. 15 more minutes about the accused changing his plea from "not guilty" to "guilty" and we were dismissed! |
YAWN 12.12.2017 03:17 |
Oh, and I meant to ask you if Freddie ever talked about his time in boarding school or his family? I once read about him changing the subject when people would bring it up. Also wondering what would have happened is someone dared to call him by his real name LOL. "Farrokh!" Something tells me he wouldn't be too pleased. Did he ever talk about his life before he became Freddie Mercury or Mother? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 03:19 |
Matt Z I don't remember having a special Christmas Dinner, but I DO remember the gift exchange at the holidays. So much fun....... We didn't need a reason to celebrate. Any get together was a celebration. We would celebrate a "TUESDAY" were it to present itself. Whenever a drink was poured we toasted.......Freddie always lead the toast. We toasted life, toasted fun, toasted friendship. CHEERS DEARS!!!!!! |
thundergod 12.12.2017 03:23 |
ALL, I promise to write the first meeting with Freddie ....tomorrow! Signing off! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 03:25 |
oh Thor........that's why i WON'T do Jury Duty...............................if i don't have to LOL |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 03:36 |
Villiers DO NOT remember any stories about his childhood... odd....huh? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 03:54 |
Buon Sera Kidandos. Beauty Sleep Time LOL |
Rainbow61 12.12.2017 05:12 |
Lee, You mentioned the documentary "Freddie's Loves" in one of your responses. I know Thor was extremely disappointed with the final product and the way he was represented. (Thor...hope I summarized this correctly) Lee, I was wondering what your opinion of the video is? |
Apocalipsis_Darko 12.12.2017 09:27 |
any funny story from Haloween Lee? What was the best birthday party in New York and why? How was the time after the concert with all the adrenaline in his body? Did he need rest a little before go with the family(i man, you guys)? And thanks for the answers. |
LOTV 12.12.2017 11:03 |
@Thor - hello and welcome back. @Lee - Welcome indeed. I've asked Thor what he thinks on the criticism that Fred should have done more for AIDS awareness when alive so I won't go over that again. Lee, did Freddie ever talk to you about Prenter and what a total arsehole he was? Lee, did you ever sense the man was a wrongen? To be honest I didn't know much about Prenter until a couple of years back, I remember some of the latter year hounding and it still angers me. I prefer to remember the years prior to that and still love the more outrageous stories about Freddie, even some may not be PC or indeed embellished. Lee any thoughts on Queen with Lambert? Sorry to ignore you Thor, I've picked your brains enough. Cheers |
LOTV 12.12.2017 11:40 |
Seems I can't reply directly to posts, have my rights been curtailed? Interesting the debate about Freddie and his open sexuality (or not). From what I remember and I was only a kid so it wasn't discussed in great detail with me everyone knew he was gay or 'bi' as it was termed sometimes. Must admit at the time I presumed he slept with men and women at the time, being such a vivacious character, but that clearly wasn't the case for his latter years. Looking back now I find it hard to argue that he in any way hid his sexuality, he adopted gay looks and he wore Heaven and Mind Shaft t-shirts for God's sake, how much more blatant could he be? Am I right that the arm-band he wore for Live Aid was a nod to the gay community watching? Also it's quite clear from Lee and Thor that he was quite open in New York as he was in Munich. I wonder in the age of cameraphone would he have been? He was also a shrewd business man and very commercially focused, as well as being a musician with integrity (quite a conflict in some ways) and I think it's pretty clear one of the reasons he didn't want to 'come-out' was for professional reasons. And you know what, why should there be a standard way of coming out? I wrote this on Thor's forum, I'm not obliged to tell the world I prefer women am I, so why should Fred have been for men? It's right there in how the individual behaves. There's also an interview with him talking about IWTBF we've all seen a million times when he says of dressing in drag "People presume it's all my idea, because you know, I'm what I am but.." OK he's stopped short of saying he's gay but not far. My take is that he didn't hide it and for those that knew - fine, for those who hadn't worked it out - who cares? On the question of would a 70 year old Freddie be 'out', in this day and age I don't know how he'd have been able to hide it. Just my twopenneth, for the little it's worth. |
noorie 12.12.2017 18:37 |
Hello, I am Noorie’s uncle. I am not planning to make an account because I am an old codger (born few days after Freddie) and I do not participate in internet forums or any social media. My niece has been badgering me to write about my time with Freddie at St. Peter’s. I am doing this just this once to make her happy. Freddie and I were in school together since we were both very small lads. I only know him as Farrokh, and then later as Fred Bulsara. Not Freddie Mercury the superstar. He was a really friendly and good-natured chap, and we were very good friends. We both had some family in Mumbai, so we spent our holidays there, and he came over to our place very often, so we spent quite a lot of time together. It was quite a normal childhood. At school, nobody teased him any more than they teased anybody else. (All these references to Bucky and other horrors at school are pretty much nonsense.) We were a great group of friends, getting up to mischief, bunking class and sneaking out to Tableland (a big plateau close to our school). The food was atrocious and the teachers very strict. Corporal punishment was quite normal, but that was the case in most places. Freddie was even then an extremely generous lad. We used to get ‘tuck’ from home or from visiting family friends from time to time. Once he received a box of very fancy chocolates – a rare treat. Normally the rule was that we offered all our friends some of our tuck, but kept the lion’s share for ourselves. But Freddie shared these very special chocolates equally with everyone, and then gave me a couple more for my sister (who was studying at Kimmins, our sister school across the street). He was always like that. Fred was always the peace-maker. He hated it when anybody in our group fell out with one another, and always tried to get everybody to be friends again. He’d joke around until we had to laugh and give up our silly fights. One thing about Fred - he loved to win! Whether at sports or studies (not a very strong point), he loved collecting his cups and trophies and certificates, and getting photographed with them. And Freddie loved his mother very much. We were all made to write letters home by our teachers. Most of us just wrote a few lines – we were fine, were they fine, we missed them… things like that. But Fred always wrote his mother long letters telling her in detail about everything that was going on. He also kept all her letters to him very carefully. They shared a very strong bond. I think around grade 10 or 11, he moved full time with his aunt in Mumbai, and went to St. Mary’s School there. After that I lost touch with him. I went back to my home in Scotland, and he went on to become Freddie Mercury. I never saw or heard from Freddie again except for one time I was in London in 1974, I think, and ran into my old friend Farrokh Bulsara from school. Noorie has written about that meeting in detail on another thread, so I won’t bore you all by going into it again, but I am so happy that with me he was still Fred Bulsara – never once mentioned who he was, and I had no idea either, as I was not and am not into rock music, and there was no internet back then to keep everybody informed about everything.. We just chatted for a few minutes about our families, a couple of school chums, and that was all. It was much later that I realised my school friend Fred was now a famous rock star! It was a very happy experience. Okay folks, that’s all. Noorie will now hopefully keep her promise and not pester me about Freddie every time I see her. |
noorie 12.12.2017 19:24 |
Noorie's uncle again. I wanted to add that I was very upset to hear about his painful agonising illness and death. It was unbelievable that he suffered so much. A couple of years after that when I went to India for a visit, a couple of us got together and toasted our friend Farrokh Bulsara. |
thundergod 12.12.2017 20:02 |
Wow noorie's uncle, What a fascinating story. I am so glad she pushed you to tell us about your early friendship with "Fred." I am so glad to hear that he WAS NOT made fun of in school but actually admired. Thank you again. I know so little about Fred's early life. What a breath of fresh air on the subject! Again I say...WOW! |
thundergod 12.12.2017 20:05 |
LOTV, Lee will answer your questions, but give him time, the poor guy has just started his work week today until Sunday. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 20:18 |
Rainbow61 Freddie's Love........hhhhmmmm.......here goes. The TV station contacted me after Thor told them I was the guy with the photos of our adventures. They found my sister on line, and relayed the message to her. My sister is kinda quiet, so when all of a sudden she was in the middle of a communication of a London TV station searching for me, she frantically tried to reach me. I was vacationing at the time, and remember calling them from the deck of my cabin on a ship in Hawaii. Yay for cell phones........anywho...... I spoke to the director or assistant for a few minutes, and we set up a time to chat when I returned home to the L.A. area. We were on the phone for over an hour, as I answered random questions, and spoke about the things I knew Freddie loved. Mary, Art, his homes, and his friends to mention a few........the chat went well. The next thing I know, Thor and I were being treated to lunch at a hotel in Beverly Hills, prior to the taping of our segments. I was somewhat suspect as to their goal here with the show, and found myself a bit concerned of misspeaking, and giving away too much personal info. Little did I know that it would mean, they would barely show me in the show.......LOL........my photos, however, DID play an important part in the final product. I'm taking a moment to set this up as I feel we were lulled into what we thought was going to be a positive declaration of all things love and Freddie. Thor was a bit more comfortable in sharing some private stuff........nothing over the top........ When we saw the final product, which we didn't see until they sent us the finished copy, we were WT.........They didn't really twist our words or anything, but they seemed to be so focused on anything "tabloid worthy". Suffice it to say, we weren't as happy as we could have been. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 20:22 |
Apocolipsis_Darko Don't remember a Halloween, but the Easter Bonnet Party, was a blast. I'm sure you've seen the photos. We would often catch up on celebrating everything when we saw each other, as getting up to 8 people together when everyone is working, traveling, or playing was tricky. As I have mentioned, we didn't need a special occasion to celebrate being together. One birthday celebration for me DID fall ON my birthday. We headed up to Freddie's place around midnight for a little celebration before we went out on the town. I actually have a photo of that night. Fun, fun, fun |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 20:25 |
LOTV and Noorie GREAT posts............i have a couple of appointments.......will address all when I return........ Again, thank you to everyone for making this a special place to recall special times....... |
Rainbow61 12.12.2017 21:20 |
Noorie, Please pass along a BIG thank you to your uncle. His recollections were amazing! Freddie's pre-fame school days are far less documented then his Queen days, so it was a joy to read about Freddie during that time period. I'm not surprised that he was a kind and generous person even then. Loved reading again about your uncle's encounter with Freddie and how Freddie didn't need to be the "rock star" with him. I find Freddie's genuineness and lack of star arrogance very heart-warming! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 21:28 |
Noria's Uncle I have to quote Thor here......."WOW" I don't believe anyone has written anything like that about Freddie. I hope you get to see our responses as I, for one, was thrilled to hear even the smallest of details revolving around his child hood. Thanks you sir.......and thank you Noorie for being just enough of a pest to get Uncle to fill us in. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 21:30 |
Rainbow 61 sorry.......a typo.....Freddie's Loves, plural |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.12.2017 21:46 |
LOTV I'm not sure that Freddie DIDN'T contribute to the AIDS issue in some way. His friend, Sir Elton certainly did and does. Maybe it was one of those things that he kept private.......didn't choose to speak of...... I suppose only Mary, Phoebe, and Jim may have known. Our encounters with Paul were brief and seldom, as I recall. As Thor has mentioned he had a thing for our friend Joe (another "Liza" as his last name was Scardili). Joe was quite handsome, and Paul fell slave to his charms, so he probably had something to do with us being asked for on so many an occasion, like Thor said. I DO remember Paul and Freddie "coming to blows" one evening in Freddie's hotel suite. Doesn't matter which hotel. Doesn't matter what it was about........I don't remember. Paul was VERY unhappy, and I'm sure embarrased and marched off to his room.....followed by his trick du jour, who clearly would have rather stayed and played with us. I like your attitude to proclaiming or should I say NOT proclaiming one's sexual orientation. Good for you. About Freddie not being able to stay in the closet were he still to be around? Sir Elton certainly never suffers because of his candidness. Freddie could very well have oozed out of the closet in a very class, sophisticated way, or rumors might have just become stronger and stronger until people didn't need to ask. it IS 2017. That being said, I must quickly add, that there are still people who live in another world like that troll who joined us for a moment on Sunday. Who thinks like that.........?........and he claimed that Freddie was his idol. |
Stop The Madness 12.12.2017 22:34 |
Call me a troll if you want but that story about Noorie's uncle is false. Before you jump down my throat keep in mind that he said the Buckie thing never happened. Have any of you seen the untold story? Freddie's own letters home to his mother admit he was called Buckie all the time. The boys who were interviewed for it have proof that they knew Freddie at the time and they said it happened. This guy just comes on here and says he knew Freddie with contradicting information from official documentaries that Freddies family and Peter Freestone supported and he's believed. Come now. You guys should know better than that. Noorie does your uncle have any proof of his claims? I'm just wondering why his story is so much different from the ones Freddie wrote home and those from the friends who really knew him. I also followed the entire Thor thread and never once did you ever mention anyone in your family knowing Freddie. You even discussed Freddie in boarding school once and still never said your uncle knew him. I find it really odd that suddenly your uncle who has no photos of proof of knowing him back just pops up. |
Dustin Zimmerman 12.12.2017 22:44 |
Stop The Madness Although I think you're an asshole for your first post I have to admit that I agree here. I read it earlier and I too found it odd. I have The Untold Story on DVD so I can confirm what Maddness said about THAT is true. But who knows maybe he has pics with Freddie. There are tons of pics of Freddie with friends at St.Peters on The Untold Story. Someone had a camera. Also all of them called him Freddie and not Fred because apparently Freddie didn't like that. The band called him Fred that was about it. When he signed their year books at St.Peters it was always signed either Farookh or Freddie. Never Fred. |
thundergod 12.12.2017 22:56 |
Stop The Madness, My only hope is that you live in Alabama and have voted for Roy Moore because after all I am sure EVERYONE would rather have a pedophile as a Senator from Alabama than some queer or Democrat. By the way, you promised to leave the site in disgust. This will be my last communication to you. Your madness should be stopped! |
Dustin Zimmerman 12.12.2017 23:03 |
Thor Agreed but at least he had a point this time. |
thundergod 12.12.2017 23:06 |
That's cool Dustin, maybe you and Stop The Bigotry- I mean Madness -can Private Message each other. I have no reason to not believe noorie nor her Uncle...Perhaps The Untold Story could use a little fact scrutiny. After all the man Freddie introduced himself as FRED, a musician. His privacy name was Alfred Mason when I met him. |
The Squirrelly One 12.12.2017 23:09 |
I found the new thread! It took my long enough. I thought it had it bookmarked but I guess it didn't take....I have been reading and catching up on it and it's great so far! I'm just going to ignore Stop's first post because it was hateful and ugly however I too had the same questions about Norrie's uncle's story. Lee welcome! Will you be uplaoding any of your lovely pictures here to share? I hope so! Thor has been a sweetheart and we've been very lucky to have him |
Dustin Zimmerman 12.12.2017 23:13 |
Thor why is it that when you disagree with someone you get defensive and jump to conclusions? We saw it a few times on the last post. First of all the Fred thing wasn't from the untold story. It was from Peter Freestone. Secondly why would the untold story need to be fact checked when the information came from Freddie's mothers mouth on video? And Peter Freestone. And his sister. And Mary. And the band. And a million other people who knew him for years and years. And Freddie's own letters. His mother kept his letters and they WERE read in the doc. And yeah they do say he was called that for years. I politely agree with this guy on this ONE thing and you assume I'm a dick too? |
YAWN 12.12.2017 23:15 |
Lol Dustin I think Thor was just trying to keep the peace. |
c.jory 12.12.2017 23:18 |
RE: Freddie's name. He used to sign himself as Fred Bulsara on college artwork, so maybe he just didn't like people who didn't know him that well calling him Fred. I guess if he took a liking to you, he'd allow 'Fred'. Roadies called him it too. |
The Squirrelly One 12.12.2017 23:19 |
Yes everyone leave it be! We had enough bickering on the last post. Let's leave this one as nice as possible. I'm still dying to hear about the first time you guys met Freddie in detail! |
YAWN 12.12.2017 23:26 |
Yes and the band called him Fred. Well, Brian did at least. Makes me think about that audio of queen arguing and Brian huffing "I'm playing it exactly how it is on the record, Fred." And Freddie exploding back with "Well, you're expecting us to be PUUURFECT before you'll even ATTEMPT" LOL |
YAWN 12.12.2017 23:29 |
link this lolol |
thundergod 12.12.2017 23:31 |
Hello again The Squirrelly One, I'm glad you found the site and thanks for your support. Just remember, Madness called Peter Freestone a liar. I knew Phoebe pretty well. He lived with Freddie for at least eleven years. He is one of the kindest, supportive, and a true gentleman who became our friend as well as Freddie. For someone who never knew Freddie nor Peter Freestone to make such an assertion is truly ridiculous. I'll trust noorie's Uncle before I take as fact ANYTHING that this LOONEY TUNE has typed. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 12.12.2017 23:39 |
Thor, don't give more chance to Madness. Guys, you are better than this homophobic guy. |
thundergod 12.12.2017 23:40 |
Sorry Dustin, No offense made toward you but I just don't want another "gay basher" on this new thread. He said he would never listen to Queen again if freddie was gay. Sounds nuts to me. You are fine Dustin. |
The Squirrelly One 12.12.2017 23:43 |
Yes i saw that ridiculous post from him and im sorry someone so rude found their way to this page but I trust peter very much and it's worth noting that peter was in The Untold Story and supports it and it's facts so although it was coming from a very rude person [Madness] I have to side with Dustin in that he had a point for this topic alone. I would not have brought it up myself but to be fair it is valid. Some of the things her uncle said in fact do not match was has been proven from Freddie himself his family and Peter. But i personally will never call someone a liar. Perhaps he did know Freddie and Freddie just showed him a different side of himself that his other friends didn't see. I think the topic is better left where it is. I can see this going to a very bad place and it's not fair to everyone else. |
Dustin Zimmerman 12.12.2017 23:50 |
Thor I would hope you know by now that I'm a huge supporter of Freddie being gay. Because I agreed with his views on something that was stated in an official documentary about Freddies early years (not his sexuality) does in no way mean i support Madness himself and his anti gay views. Freddie's time at boarding school and his being gay are two completely different things. Looks like squirrelly understood what I was getting at. |
thundergod 12.12.2017 23:50 |
Agreed Squirelly, Lee and I have decided to just ignore from now on. Noorie always presented herself to be honest and caring. It does not make sense to me that she would make up this story...And with that, enough said. We will leave it as a mystery. |
thundergod 12.12.2017 23:51 |
ignore Stop, I mean |
thundergod 12.12.2017 23:57 |
OK Dustin, I apologize if I made you uncomfortable and was singling you out as a "Stop" fan. As I knew you on the other thread, you have always presented yourself as very open minded. I think I may have transferred some of my anger at "stop" onto you. I am so sorry. |
thundergod 13.12.2017 00:01 |
Correction of an earlier post: Lee's work week starts on Wednesday, not Tuesday...sorry Lee. |
YAWN 13.12.2017 00:03 |
Oh good, it's all settled. In the spirit of moving on (and admittedly because i will use any excuse at all to post this picture of freddie because it cracks me up) Cleanse the palate with this lovely photo of Mother. Lol enjoy. *I don't remember if I posted it in the other thread but I'm hoping Lee and Thor will get a kick out of it if they haven't seen it * |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.12.2017 00:05 |
Thanks Thor. It's all good |
Rainbow61 13.12.2017 00:08 |
Hi Lee, So what did you do after your "short-lived" theater career in the 70's? Did Freddie take an interest in your former musical endeavors? Do you still like to sing and play piano? Thor and Lee, Did Freddie ever solicit your feedback after the concerts you attended? Is there a concert moment that stands out..either because of something outrageous Freddie said or did, or maybe just the audience reaction to a particular song? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 00:23 |
VILLIERS!!!!!!! I JUST saw that photo on Pinterest. had NEVER seen it before and here it is........it defines "Camp". a favorite word of Freddie's, Rainbow61 I sang in a club for a few summers, but left the grind of pursuing theatre in New York. After going to a TON of auditions and basically begging people to listen to 30 seconds of a song, which you think you do pretty well, as they eat, and talked, and giggled.........(thank GOD there were no cell phones back then)..........I decided I sorta kinda wanted to have a normal life. By normal I mean making money, and living life, and not leaving town every three months for some kind of touring. NOW.......that being said, those who are talented enough to make a REAL living out of a theater career, with an UBER talent have my envy. An UBER talent, I obviously wasn't. I did give it a go. NEVER would I sing or play the piano in front of Freddie....LOL.......what a woose I was. HA! My goal these days is being an UBER kind person. Much better use of my energies. |
matt z 13.12.2017 00:25 |
FIRST I find out that Freddie was Gay! And THEN i found out he was a MASON! !! (Alfred) Good God .. i think i can sell this to the DAILY MAIL! What a secret life he led! Now I've gotta go home and doctor up some Freddie/Masonic images... This sounds like a job for Raymond Burr.... also a mason. Speaking of Raymond Burr and celebrity types. Did Freddie ever encounter the guy? Did he ever meet Rob Halford of Judas Priest? Rob continues to talk highly of Freddie. ..was even quoted when asked what's on his ipod....he said "Every Queen album" |
noorie 13.12.2017 00:30 |
Wow! Seriously? I am really very sorry I made my uncle post his childhood memories. Especially when he did not want to. 1. I have seen the Untold Story many times (naturally being a Freddie fan), so if I had made up my uncle's story, naturally, I would have stuck to those facts!!! I am not an idiot. These are the memories of somebody else, and you can either read them or not. It does not matter at all to anybody either way. 2. "Stop...', I had posted a story about my uncle on another thread (not Thior's) previously. Thor and Lee, I thank you sincerely for your kindness and for sharing your memories with us. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 00:33 |
Matt Z that was very funny.............. RE: Rob..........I sounded just like him when I sang..............that was a joke. Don't know if he and Freddie ever met or partied |
Stop The Madness 13.12.2017 00:46 |
Noorie I'm sorry you posted it here too since we caught you in a lie. I'm still waiting on those pictures or literally any proof at all that he knew Freddie. I can say my uncle knew Freddie. You say you posted about it in another thread but I haven't seen anything. Please send me the link and the proof he knew Freddie. Im also srill left wondering why when everyone was discussing Freddie at boarding school in the Thor thread you never mentioned your uncle. I find that off because you were very active in that conversation at that point. Why didn't it cross your mind to ever mention this uncle before? So you saw the untold story and still decided to make up things that don't match it? Weren't you the same person who said Freddie calling people dear and darling wasn't a gay thing but a parsi thing and everyone did it? And people there called you out too because again it's in the untold story. His teachers and friends were actually asked about it on camera and they all said it was odd and that nobody else did it. Your stories never seem to match proven facts. Don't waste your breath telling me to go away. I'll continue posting if I please. |
thundergod 13.12.2017 00:55 |
Hey norrie, Even if I am the only one, I want to thank your Uncle profusely. Why bother making that stuff up...ridiculous! |
noorie 13.12.2017 00:56 |
^^^ I have been active on QZ for quite a few years now, and it is really because of a very few people like you that I do not post anything personal. But, Thor (and now Lee) have been infinitely kind in so many ways, that I overcame my reluctance to share somebody's memories with Freddie. I am so sorry you feel the need to challenge everything and everybody. And I am not asking you to go away. You have the right to post here as often as you like. Please scroll down. End of page 2. This was in August. link And now, I am done with this topic. |
noorie 13.12.2017 00:58 |
Oops Thor. Thank you. I did not realise you had posted as well. I was replying to 'Stop.... ' Thank you so much. Actually it was YOUR kindness to me that made me take an active role on your thread. Thanks for that. :) |
thundergod 13.12.2017 01:05 |
Thank you noorie....I believe you. |
thundergod 13.12.2017 01:12 |
Lee and I both think that since this is our thread we have no right to ignore someone disagreeing with us or anybody's opinions , but we DO have the right to avoid, isolate and ignore haters and so do all of you. |
Stop The Madness 13.12.2017 01:15 |
Uh huh. So let me talk about my uncle that knew freddie too. He met Freddie on 1976 and they were close friends. I don't need to post any proof because I just said it online so it must be true. I can't believe you're really trying to get people to buy that. You're either lying about your uncle entirely or your uncle lied. I'm going to guess you don't have an uncle who was there at all and you're just typing as him. Either way the stories you have are crap. RE why someone would lie:for attention. Just like she did on the last post claiming to know Freddie was calling people dear and darling at boarding school because she's parsi too and she knows it's their thing when people who were actually there said it was NOT common and NOT what anyone else did. She's trying too hard. Where are the photos of him with Freddie? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 01:16 |
ditto, my friend |
YAWN 13.12.2017 01:23 |
Oh! Just thought of another one. Was there ever a time when Peter wasn't around and Freddie needed to get some food or drive somewhere that you can remember? There's this story about Freddie that Roger Taylor told once about them before they got big. They were practicing or something and Freddie announced that he was hungry and he was going to boil an egg. He turned on his heel and came back in the room to ask "Roger, how does one boil and egg?" To which Roger replied "......I don't know". LOL. I remember reading somewhere that Freddie was very rarely without someone to look after him but was sometimes left in a position where he had to figure things out on his own. Someone had a story about him a few years back. He was trying to get somewhere in New York and was without Peter. His friend said "How the hell are we going to get there without a limo?" And Freddie responded "Well, dear...They have these things here....They get you from one place to another...i think they're called cabs!" |
thundergod 13.12.2017 01:29 |
LOL Villiers, great story |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 01:31 |
i wanna make sure that my response "ditto my friend" was in regards to Thor's comment not STM STM please go away.......you would get so much further if you weren't so bitter and homophobic. Everyone's opinion is welcome, but when it comes from such a hateful demeanor, nobody hear wants to listen. Does EVERY conflict in your life end this way? I am SO sorry. A little more compassion would get you a lot more of an audience. Peace........... As this is my site, may I ask that nobody encourage him...........he can go troll somewhere else........please ignore him........ This entire thread has turned to a question as to what happened over 60 years ago........60 years..........let it be. |
thundergod 13.12.2017 01:36 |
When we knew Freddie, Peter was not just his "man Friday" but literally his man Mon,Tue,Wed,Thur, Fri, Sat.and Sun. Villiers memories that she read were probably before we knew him. Peter Freestone would have taken a bullet for Freddie and Freddie knew that! Their relationship was beautiful.and I can't remember one time that Phoebe was not with us. |
YAWN 13.12.2017 01:42 |
Yes, Thor I think you're right! The cab thing was in the 70s, I think. Peter joined Freddie's personal team in 79 or 80. I was so glad to hear you mention Peters boyfriend Patrick in your last thread because I was always curious about peter getting enough free time of his own to date. I know he adored Freddie and I'm sure he didn't mind working as much as he did (especially since lots of it seemed like fun!) but everyone wants a little alone time at some point. It sounds like peter did manage to find a balance there of personal time and Freddie time |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 01:47 |
Villiers Patrick ws very fun, and an attentive buddy to Peter. We spent a great deal of time with him. The three of us visited in the early 90's I believe, when Phoebe was visiting Patrick in L.A. It was fun reminiscing. Patrick has since passed.....I don't know if Thor mentioned that. I have a couple of fun photos of him. |
YAWN 13.12.2017 01:57 |
Oh no, I didn't know he had passed. I'm sorry to hear that. The pictures we have seen of you guys all together with him and Peter all looked like a blast! You guys really did look like a family. A very close circle of friends, and you could see it in the photos. Speaking of photos (yes, after this one I swear I'm done hogging the thread LOL), I've always wondered what the heck was in that gift on the table in the top photo here. Maybe someone remembers? Looks like a sausage! Wrapped in white. Looks like he's holding a vhs, too? I love that shot at the bottom. That's what I mean I say they looked like a family. Very close and genuinely happy. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 02:03 |
I loooooove those photos from Phoebe's book. Maybe what he was holding was a frame of photos? The firecracker like wrapped time is a mystery. I'll check my photos. The bottom photo is us carrying on when we visited Freddie in Bel Air. FUN TIME |
Katydyd5 13.12.2017 02:11 |
Nudging Thor to tell the story of the first meeting! Lee, will you eventually post some of your pictures? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 02:22 |
Katydyd5 I WILL share some teasers, but i'm not sure what i'm going to do with the photos. I want to share, and have it be special........ |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 02:39 |
Hi!!! HAPPY Tuesday Everybody!! I would LOVE to see a picture I haven't seen before!!!Maybe it could be a Christmas present from u to All of us......No pressure though!! lol I have studied Every picture in every book I have Plus all the ones I could find on Pinterest, google...... What I see in many pictures appears like a "Great, fun, fab kinda "boys club"?? Then as Freddie's home, Garden Lodge, takes center stage the people surrounding Freddie along with his friends, the look seems to morph into a FAMILY!!! It's Lovely to see his Chosen Family......to know the love was shared and reciprocated!! Good to know Fred was never ALONE ALONE!!!! |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 02:47 |
I would REALLY like to see the photo collage Freddie kept by his bed as his illness took over. I believe from previous thread....you Lee had the framed collage made for Freddie!! If it's tooo personal, we could all understand you not wanting to share. |
Saint Jiub 13.12.2017 02:52 |
thundergod wrote: Stop The Madness, My only hope is that you live in Alabama and have voted for Roy Moore because after all I am sure EVERYONE would rather have a pedophile as a Senator from Alabama than some queer or Democrat. By the way, you promised to leave the site in disgust. This will be my last communication to you. Your madness should be stopped!I would not mind having a queer as a senator ... but only if he or she lived in a log cabin ... |
Katydyd5 13.12.2017 02:56 |
Lee, I didn't mean to push about the photos. I would respect whatever you choose to do with them. Ever thought of writing a book? |
thundergod 13.12.2017 03:00 |
OK Katydyd, On August 21st, 1980. Joe S. John M and myself met up at about 1:30am at one of our favorite watering holes. Lee N. was still at his job on Cape Cod, so it was just the three of us. At about 3:00 am we decided to move on to a nearby after-hours bar called The Anvil. It had a reputation of being a sleazy bar but I like the upstairs which had enough light to actually see people. As many waiters, bartenders and managers of restaurants and bars that stayed open late. It was a fun place to unwind after work for these evening/night workers and of course that meant some really good-looking guys.were often there. The downstairs was very dark where the sleaziness went on but I and my friends did not like the free-for-all, dark, dark area where you could not see anyone very well. We stayed upstairs at first together and then we broke away from each other to cruise a bit. I had noticed this guy earlier who was my type....dark short hair, mustache, thin build and so I decided to approach him. We exchanged names and this guy introduced himself as Fred. When I asked him what he did for a living he said "I'm a musician" I said something like "oh great" but asked no other questions. I had no idea who he was and just assumed he was an English musician named Fred. When we decided to go home together, I invited him to my house, not too far away. He said he had to go back to his hotel.I asked if he had a car and he said that he would rather go back in my car. "No problem" I said. He was staying across on the east side of the city and we were in the west side. In my rear view mirror, I noticed a limousine following ever turn I made which followed us all the way to the Berkshire Place Hotel a very upscale hotel. I finally had to ask him, "are you a musician or a famous musician. He finally let on that he was Freddie Mercury from Queen. Of course I knew Queen but I did not know the names of anyone in the group. We spent the night after some strong drinks and cocaine and actually spent more time chatting than doing the deed. Freddie invited me to hear his concert in Philadelphia the next evening August 22nd. I politely said no, because I had to work. I left the hotel but I did know the name of the hotel in Philly and his "hotel name" Alfred Mason. We'll when I got home and thought about this, my roommate said "Are you crazy...call in sick." So I found somebody to work for me and decided that since I did not have a phone contact for Freddie, I would just drive to Philadelphia, go to that hotel and try to contact him knowing his fake name. I managed to get Alfred Mason's room number (unheard of today in these times). So I went up to his room and knocked. Peter Freestone answered the door obviously waking up from a nap. Freddie was in bed but invited me in and was actually excited to see me. I later found out from Peter that he was thrilled to have someone go through so much effort to see him. The concert that night was my first Queen concert ever and I was given a backstage pass. After the show, we went out to the bars and Freddie was in great form. We had a lot of fun but maybe had done a little too much coke. The bedroom did not go too successfully on either of our sides but we still had a fun time. After that day, Peter had given me his address in London which I held on to. I decided to send a thank you note to Peter for being so kind and attentive. He wrote back and invited me to meet up again. I asked if I could bring my three best friends along and he said YES! The rest is history. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:03 |
Katydyd5 Really? Should Thor and I do that? Tell me more about your thoughts on that. I would be interested in everyone's opinion. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:12 |
Latydyd5 I was referring to the book idea. DIDN"T realize Thor had gotten all that in, in the meanwhile. Fun story, huh? |
Apocalipsis_Darko 13.12.2017 03:17 |
I have one anecdote with I did an interview with Russel Mullcahy. I became friends. Especially with Freddie and Roger. The only 2 anecdotes I can share (it was the 80’s!) are, one night in the studio, Freddie taught me a few cords on a piano and I am in one of the songs somewhere…and also one night, I was in Earls Court, London, I think I was a little drunk, and I knocked on Freddie’s door. He put me to bed in a guest room and the next morning I woke and he was making a full English ‘hangover’ breakfast for me. It was a breakfast I will never forget! Bless Freddie Mercury. And Queen forever! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:19 |
Apocalipsis_Darko Whoa whoa whoa .......did that happen.......VERY cool....... what great breakfast company THAT must have been! |
YAWN 13.12.2017 03:19 |
Omg. YES you should do that, Lee! You guys were a bright spot in Freddie's life. You knew him in a way his fans never will. It would be great if you wrote a book! Lee, have you seen This Was The Real Life by David Minns (Freddie's first bf) and David Evans (who also wrote a book with Peter)? If not, please please click this link and download it on you phone or kindle. It's a great read filled with stories of friends and David gave details about his time with Freddie and Freddie's family that nobody else knew. It was very interesting and it's something I think you and Thor could do that would be even more exciting! David and David knew Freddie for years but didn't stay close for as long as you did. Here's the link. If you'd decide to check it out, please be sure to for load it only online for kindle (the app) as it's the only version that includes the extra bits from David Minns about his time with Freddie and Freddie's struggle regarding his sexuality in the early 70s. Fascinating stuff! link Actually, I think you can even just click "read for free" and the sample it gives you includes all of David's extra bits after David Evans completes his introduction. The full version includes all the stories and pictures from friends. It's something Id love to see you guys try! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:22 |
Villiers WOW you think so? you're brilliant AND adorable......I'm biased cause you're Facebook friend. LOL |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:23 |
......not biased in the "you're adorable" category You ARE adorable |
YAWN 13.12.2017 03:27 |
Oh shucks! LOL And yes, I do think so! You guys would be great! That (and idk how you guys feel about it), but Queen conventions. It might sound odd, but every year or so Queen fans pay to take part in conventions that the fan club puts together. The money goes to the fan club and Freddie's AIDS charity. Peter is usually there to answer questions and take part in the fun. Drinks, jokes, and stories all around. I could see MANY a queen fan lining up to see a Q&A session with you, Thor and Peter. Just saying! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:29 |
OH MY What should I wear? ok.......now you know my sense of humor.......LOL |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:30 |
Villiers..... where does this take place? Maybe Thor and I could preview our anticipated book there........ another joke.........................................or not...........................hehehehehe |
YAWN 13.12.2017 03:34 |
Lol I love your energy! No wonder Freddie enjoyed his time with you guys! I'll tell you like I told Thor, if either of you are in the Houston Texas area, drinks are on me! You two are a hoot, and the Montrose area out here is fantastic. Everything from those sleazy bars Thor was talking about to wine tasting and classy clubs. It's nearly all owned by LGBT people as well. I go nearly every weekend for a few drinks with friends |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:35 |
Viillers DEAL! Havent gotten there in years, but you never know XOXOXO |
YAWN 13.12.2017 03:36 |
Lee, it happens in two places, actually! It usually happens once a year in England and they also hold an American one. I haven't been to one yet but I've been tempted. If the NY Daughters are there, I may HAVE to grab a ticket! I think the American one happens in Boston? I don't recall for sure but Jacky Smith of the fan club would be thrilled to get you two involved if you were really interested! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:37 |
Villiers Interesting |
YAWN 13.12.2017 03:40 |
Just floating the idea out there, no pressure! But the book, that is something I do wanna twist your arm about lol Think about it! Sounds great! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.12.2017 03:42 |
Wiiiiilllll do Thanks, gal Sleepy time here.....LOL.....early morning. Ciao, special peeps |
The Squirrelly One 13.12.2017 03:43 |
I agree with Villiers about the book and the convention! The book is something that could not only be a joy to read but could help clear up some rumors going around. Thor let us know that John Murphy was never a lover of Freddie's but a recent book not only told people that they were lovers but that John was the one that gave Freddie AIDS because he was exposed to patient zero. How awful was that! To drag the name of that poor man through the mud to sell copies of their poorly informed book. That book is very popular with fans right now and I don't understand why. |
YAWN 13.12.2017 03:44 |
See ya! |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.12.2017 03:47 |
Yep and a group of Italian fans who keep trying to get people to believe Freddie wasn't gay but bisexual made some videos on YouTube my friend showed me a few days ago called Freddie's Secret Lovers. They tossed in women he never slept with and oh Lee, did you know that you were a secret lover of Freddie's too? Lol some of these fans man... |
Rainbow61 13.12.2017 05:27 |
Lee, Thanks so much for providing the background on your music career. |
Rainbow61 13.12.2017 06:23 |
Thor and Lee, For every active participant on this thread, I wonder how many silently follow along?...the number would probably astound us! It is amazing that 26 years after his death, Freddie still captivates the imagination of so many people. That you both shared a part of Freddie's remarkable life gives you a unique perspective that biographers will never have. I think an homage to your good friend would be as warmly received as this column has been. Go for it!!! Have you ever thought about attending the annual Freddie birthday party in Montreux that is held every September? I bet they would love to have you as special guests. I have never been...but it sure looks like a blast! |
LOTV 13.12.2017 10:45 |
@ Lee and Thor, thanks for your time. As written earlier I can't directly quote in this forum now for some reason. Annoying. Lee, with regards to AIDS awareness the criticism I occasionally have to fend off regarding my music hero is that had Fred spoken about his illness earlier in his life he could have done a lot for AIDS awareness due to his fame. As I wrote with Thor I can 100% understand his reticence, especially back then when the world was even more pig ignorant. Of course what the critics aren't often aware of is that his last ever performance singing live was at a show for an AIDS charity, and he was pretty far down the line unfortunately. It was a fantastic performance and typical of the man's courage and commitment to his art. Can't be a Queen / Freddie fan on the planet who doesn't go to bits when watching the video for Days. Lee, has Thor told you what Mary has done to Garden Lodge? The tribute wall is gone and it's all been sanitised. Miserable cow. @Noorie(Uncle). Thanks so much, how amazing to read something genuinely new and first hand. |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 11:10 |
Yeah!!!!! Roy Moore is defeated!!!!! There's hope still....... |
LOTV 13.12.2017 11:43 |
@TSO. Funnily enough I broke my self imposed rule of not reading books on Freddie for Somebody to Love, I'd read some good reviews. I found it quite a depressing read, had to read something light after it. I had no knowledge of Patient zero and any of the background to the virus. Must confess I was skeptical from the off when it talks about HIV coming from a bloody carcass. In it's defense it does also rebuff the Dugas as patient 0 theory and doesn't present all as fact, rather hypothesis. Perhaps a slightly thicker skin required with regards to the book? On that note, do I bother with This is the real life? I honestly don't think there's an anecdote I haven't heard on Fred, indeed even the gentlemen on here who knew him back up the consistent narrative that he could be immensely private and in some ways nobody knew him. With regards to Freddie's Loves, I've written this before I don't mind it. Yes it's trashy old nonsense but come on lets not re-invent the man as a saint. As written before I think Thor comes across fine on it. It's not to be taken too seriously, surely? Freddie liked fun. And hey I'd be well chuffed if after my death the size of my appendage is still talked about, sadly I think this will not be the case ;-) Btw I was told something about Freddie's death by someone in the music industry a year or two after which I'm not even sure I want to ask opinion on, I'm worried it could potentially be controversial. It's not insulting or anything though. |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 11:56 |
Lee and Thor..... I vote YES for the book!! As been said before.......but also because what I Personally reaped from these threads.......THIS "FREDDIE" needs to be revealed!!! There is still SO MUCH INTEREST IN FREDDIE OUT THERE!!! Plus.........the Movie will drum up even more interest and intrigue in a whole new generation. I said this previously but it's true.....i'm not sure How I ended up at Thor's thread....i think I clicked a link from comments in YouTube.....but finding this forum has been a Godsend!!!! And I thank you All so much!!!! It truly confirmed to me that Freddie was the Kind, Warm, Loyal, Thoughtful GENIUS I KNEW HE WAS DESPITE ALL THE "CA-CA" IN MANY OF THE BOOKS, TABLOIDS, AND DOCUMENTARIES! Let me explain what's going on w me.....i am 55 yrs old. I HAVE LOVED AND BEEN MYSTIFIED BY FREDDIE (AND QUEEN) since as far back as I can remember. I clearly remember every time I walked into a Barnes n Noble or Boarders I would head right to biography section looking for BOOKS about Freddie.....then I'd head to music section to see what was available on Queen but especially Freddie!!! Usually I'd end up empty handed and disappointed; ( Fast forward to 2016..........a last minute Christmas gift kinda Forced me to use Amazon to obtain this particular GIFT (EVEN THOUGH I'D PAID FOR PRIME FOR 3 YRS.....I'D NEVER USED IT MYSELF...THE PRIME WAS REALLY FOR MY KIDS (MILLENIALS....UGH) PURCHASING THAT ONE GIFT OPENED THE DOOR For me to then see that I could order ALL the books on Freddie THAT I HAD ALWAYS WANTED!!!!@!!! By about the fourth book.......my husband asked me if "there's something going on with me that he should know about?" Too funny.....but I was engrossed in FREDDIE!!°NEXT I ORDER ALL DOCUMENTARIES I COULD get my hands on!! Then onto YouTube...Now I'm Here;) I've been ordering all the music cd's I overlooked in my youth!!!! IT'S BEEN A BLAST!!! NOT TO MENTION A GREAT ESCAPE FROM THE AWFULLNESS OF THE DONALD DUMP POLITICS!!!!!! SO PLEASE PLEASE WRITE YOUR BOOK!!! I WANT IT FOR MY COLLECTION!!! |
The Squirrelly One 13.12.2017 12:17 |
LOTV I dont even think it's about having a thick skin to read Somebody To Love. I think it's just another tabloid wrapped in a pretty cover. It had all kinds of misinformation and also tried to say Freddie was gay "until" he was bisexual with Barbara Valentin which is just Lesley Jones bull. It never happened but that didn't stop this book from "gay erasing" Freddie as others have put it. I personally think books like that are not only spreading false info but are slapping the gay community in the face by claiming Freddie wasn't one of them. Not to mention Freddie. Yes he was very private but he also told Peter Freestone that if something was to be written about him he wanted it to be honest. Honestly he was not bisexual and I honestly I think all information in books should (ideally) come from close friends and family only. That's why I would like to see Thor and Lee come out with one. At least theirs would be an honest first-hand account. The symptoms it claimed Freddie had also didn't match some of the stuff Peter has discussed. Btw LOTV were you the one who was going to see the concert the other day? How was it? |
c.jory 13.12.2017 12:18 |
LOTV wrote: @TSO. Funnily enough I broke my self imposed rule of not reading books on Freddie for Somebody to Love, I'd read some good reviews. I found it quite a depressing read, had to read something light after it. I had no knowledge of Patient zero and any of the background to the virus. Must confess I was skeptical from the off when it talks about HIV coming from a bloody carcass. In it's defense it does also rebuff the Dugas as patient 0 theory and doesn't present all as fact, rather hypothesis. Perhaps a slightly thicker skin required with regards to the book? On that note, do I bother with This is the real life? I honestly don't think there's an anecdote I haven't heard on Fred, indeed even the gentlemen on here who knew him back up the consistent narrative that he could be immensely private and in some ways nobody knew him. With regards to Freddie's Loves, I've written this before I don't mind it. Yes it's trashy old nonsense but come on lets not re-invent the man as a saint. As written before I think Thor comes across fine on it. It's not to be taken too seriously, surely? Freddie liked fun. And hey I'd be well chuffed if after my death the size of my appendage is still talked about, sadly I think this will not be the case ;-) Btw I was told something about Freddie's death by someone in the music industry a year or two after which I'm not even sure I want to ask opinion on, I'm worried it could potentially be controversial. It's not insulting or anything though.One thing I had a problem with in the STL book: the claims he had hairy leukoplakia, which he had seen a NYC doctor about in 1982 (in the middle of a US tour) Their source? A barman who knew Kenny Everett. That is not good enough. I don't buy it. Also with photographs, tour footage and plenty of eyewitnesses, no one has yet mentioned him having anything of the sort. Until then, it stays in the bullshit bin. I had no problem with Freddie's Loves in general, I don't know why people get upset that Phoebe and Thor made 'well-endowed' comments because anyone with eyes can see it wasn't small. LMAO It's a light-hearted insight into the fun he had in the gay clubs and nice to hear from his friends etc. My only issue with it is it feeds into the Lesley Ann Jones biography nonsense with the 'he suddenly flipped his sexuality and went with a big ugly woman' narrative. I have lost count of sources that say the Barbara stuff is nonsense and doesn't fit with reality. Even her friend was on it saying 'maybe - if he wasn't homosexual [they would have been together].' She wasn't a lover, so was pointless being there. All it's done is throw petrol on the sexuality debate, which shouldn't even be a debate. |
The Squirrelly One 13.12.2017 12:18 |
LOTV now I'm curious about what it was you heard about his passing! |
The Squirrelly One 13.12.2017 12:21 |
Captianjory my thoughts exactly. Someone had explained all the issues with the Somebody To Love book on the facebook weeks ago and you have hit everything they covered! |
c.jory 13.12.2017 12:23 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: LOTV I dont even think it's about having a thick skin to read Somebody To Love. I think it's just another tabloid wrapped in a pretty cover. It had all kinds of misinformation and also tried to say Freddie was gay "until" he was bisexual with Barbara Valentin which is just Lesley Jones bull. It never happened but that didn't stop this book from "gay erasing" Freddie as others have put it. I personally think books like that are not only spreading false info but are slapping the gay community in the face by claiming Freddie wasn't one of them. Not to mention Freddie. Yes he was very private but he also told Peter Freestone that if something was to be written about him he wanted it to be honest. Honestly he was not bisexual and I honestly I think all information in books should (ideally) come from close friends and family only. That's why I would like to see Thor and Lee come out with one. At least theirs would be an honest first-hand account. The symptoms it claimed Freddie had also didn't match some of the stuff Peter has discussed. Btw LOTV were you the one who was going to see the concert the other day? How was it?THIS YESSSS, I agree so much I'm shouting. It was good insofar as it shows what it was like for a gay man living in 60s/70s Britain, how they had no role models, were seen as comedy stereotype figures on TV and there were quotes from contemporary gay people about how life was for them. Very interesting. THEN suddenly it copy/pastes Lesley Ann's book into it, all the Barbara stuff is there without question, no fact checking or critiquing done: suddenly he was a bi man, after all that 'gay men have to hide it' plus quotes where Freddie DIRECTLY CALLED HIMSELF GAY (to multiple people) are kind of swept away and gay is replaced with bi. They just erased the struggle he had in the late 60s - early 70s and that is kind of disrespectful. It was a long journey for him to get to the point he was happy to be gay. |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 12:35 |
There is a radio interview out there where Freddie had to postpone due to illness and a few days? later when he actually does the interview...the Broadcaster claims he wasn't sure if Fred was Really sick.......until Fred shows him his tongue...which the Broadcaster claims Fred's tongue looks to have a Duffel Coat on it!! I work in Dentistry.....and while I didn't see his tongue personally.....the description fits hairy leukoplakia! |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 12:37 |
Which...by the way can be a symptom of a depleted immune system....and Even HIV |
The Squirrelly One 13.12.2017 12:38 |
Captianjory I agree 100%. My family have been in-person autograph collectors for years and my uncle Charles met Freddie and the band 2 times to grab autographs. He was by no means close to Freddie or knew him personally but told me that even on those very brief meetings it was "obvious" that Freddie was gay in the way he carried himself and above all he told me over and over that Freddie was one of the only musicians out of the hundreds he met that left him feeling like he was " in the presence of greatness". If a total stranger could tell he was gay how could "biographers" not look into those Barbara claims and see how fake it was? Being gay didn't define him but it was a part of his story and it's wrong to erase it or mislabel it imo! |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 12:40 |
It could have also been Candida....... |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.12.2017 12:45 |
I have been googling it. The only way to control it to be on meds constantly. Freestone never mentioned Freddie taking any meds during that time. During one of the conventions he was asked about Freddie taking medication. Peter said he was asked to get absolutely everything for him even a Tylenol for a headache. He would have known if Freddie was taking any meds for anything like that hairy thing. He said before he had AIDS in 87 Freddie never took any meds at all outside of the odd headache pill. He didn't have that stuff they claim he did. There would have been photos and Peter would have remembered it. In photos of him in the mid and even late 80s he didn't have it on his tongue so if he did have it then he would have been on meds. That peter would have known about. That radio interview was probably from a cold. My mom's been a nurse for years. It's a common thing. |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.12.2017 12:48 |
Candida... yeah that's pretty nasty too lol. |
c.jory 13.12.2017 12:57 |
Blenkolove wrote: There is a radio interview out there where Freddie had to postpone due to illness and a few days? later when he actually does the interview...the Broadcaster claims he wasn't sure if Fred was Really sick.......until Fred shows him his tongue...which the Broadcaster claims Fred's tongue looks to have a Duffel Coat on it!! I work in Dentistry.....and while I didn't see his tongue personally.....the description fits hairy leukoplakia!Yeah I know the one you mean, but that is 1985, between Japan tour and Live Aid. The book was talking about 1982. Also it wasn't curable. The 1985 thing wasn't permanent. It could be a yeast infection. Sorry if this topic is grossing people out hahaha. I'll stop |
Blenkolove 13.12.2017 13:03 |
Hairy leukoplakia......depending on the cause....can be reversed w a round of medication..in dental..we use a compound call MIRACLE MOUTH RINSE Wa steroid,antifungal,antibacterial mix Thor????Chime in plz |
c.jory 13.12.2017 13:06 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: Captianjory I agree 100%. My family have been in-person autograph collectors for years and my uncle Charles met Freddie and the band 2 times to grab autographs. He was by no means close to Freddie or knew him personally but told me that even on those very brief meetings it was "obvious" that Freddie was gay in the way he carried himself and above all he told me over and over that Freddie was one of the only musicians out of the hundreds he met that left him feeling like he was " in the presence of greatness". If a total stranger could tell he was gay how could "biographers" not look into those Barbara claims and see how fake it was? Being gay didn't define him but it was a part of his story and it's wrong to erase it or mislabel it imo!Yes! Villiers and I often talk about this! Every mannerism is that of the archetypal gay queen. The way he walked, stood, things he said. Everything. Unfortunately when you point this out to some fans, they yell that stereotypes are bad, how 'it's wrong to make blanket statements about ALL gays being camp'. The fact is, the stereotypes exist for a reason and Freddie fits so many of them and it's not a bad thing. Someone said Freddie was hyper masculine at all times. Links were thrown their way depicting him shrieking in his own home, and dancing gayly across the stage. Well...they got blocked for it! I have a few gay friends who are camp and effeminate and their intonations when they're being sarcastic make me scream with laughter. From people's descriptions, Freddie comes across the same. I think that's why I like him, I reckon I'd have got on with him! |
c.jory 13.12.2017 13:07 |
Blenkolove wrote: Hairy leukoplakia......depending on the cause....can be reversed w a round of medication..in dental..we use a compound call MIRACLE MOUTH RINSE Wa steroid,antifungal,antibacterial mix Thor????Chime in plzDid treatment exist in the early 80s though? I don't believe Freddie had it. The source in the book was a London barman friend of Kenny Everett's. What the hell would he know? It's not a good enough source; it's hearsay that doesn't fit with footage of the time. If he had it, you'd see it in his mouth at the Milton Keynes concert and the many photos from the tour. soz for blank post below. oops |
c.jory 13.12.2017 13:09 |
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Dustin Zimmerman 13.12.2017 13:11 |
Blenkolove do you normally treat people that have it and also have HIV though? The article I read said those with HIV have reoccurring issues with it. Which...would mean he was taking meds that Peter would know about and even if he wasn't taking meds he would know if Freddie went to the doctor. Remember Peter said he knew that Freddie didn't have any symptoms or odd physical stuff until much later. The book said it happened in 1982. |
LOTV 13.12.2017 13:22 |
@TSO. My review of the gig is in the QAL section. Sadly it left me feeling a little flat, but didn't stop me seriously considering going to see them tonight. When I saw them in Chicago 14 and Nottingham 15 they were superb, but that's a different discussion. I don't remember much on the Valentine stuff in STL but as I've written before it's impossible to conclusively prove that nothing happened at all, although it would seem unlikely. Don't call me a bi-washer or whatever, I'm not. As I wrote earlier at the time when I was younger I found it plausible he was bi but clearly on the whole for most of his adult life he wasn't. To me, it's not really important. Sorry. Does seem like there may well have been a heap of shit in STL, I should have stuck to my guns but then I didn't take it as gospel so no harm done. @TSO PM me if you want. I really don't want to attention seek and foster mystery but I'll share with you if you want. |
c.jory 13.12.2017 13:23 |
LOTV wrote: Btw I was told something about Freddie's death by someone in the music industry a year or two after which I'm not even sure I want to ask opinion on, I'm worried it could potentially be controversial. It's not insulting or anything though.SPILL |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.12.2017 13:28 |
lotv not to cut in but Freddie told 2 different people on two different occasions that he never had sex with Barbara so I think we can say for a fact that nothing happened. Freddie would have no reason to lie about it. I dont remember Crystal Taylor's exact quote anymore but he was one of the people that asked Freddie directly about it and Freddie said no. I also wanna know what you heard about his death. Can I get a PM too? I'm just nosy. |
LOTV 13.12.2017 13:33 |
DZ, fair enough. As long as he wasn't too off his tits that he may not have remembered it ;-) But enough of her, she really is just a footnote. |
c.jory 13.12.2017 13:35 |
That is true ^ a relatively brief friendship with a big gap in the middle that has been blown way out of proportion. But if drugs stop him getting it up with an attractive person like our Thor here, then they're gonna prevent him from banging a[n ugly] woman. Okay that's it. I am happy to pretend she didn't exist from now on! I WANT TO KNOW TOO, LOTV so...send me a message as well |
The Squirrelly One 13.12.2017 13:43 |
Right again captianjory. It makes no sense at all that drugs would stop Freddie form being able to have relations with Thor who he was attracted to but it allowed him to be off his head enough to have sex with a woman and not remember it. LOTV sending a message to you now about the rumor you heard! |
Katydyd5 13.12.2017 14:05 |
Thor, thanks so much for telling your story again. I'm assuming Freddie wasn't alone in the club, so who was with him? Personally I think he's one of the most beautiful men I've ever seen, so I can understand your attraction. : ) Lee, a book??? Yes, yes, yes! Put me on your pre-order list immediately! I think it would be met with great enthusiasm by everyone. Is this still just an idea in preliminary stages or have you two actually started something? You both know how to tell stories, and that combined with pictures would be fantastic. I've never been to any of the conventions, but YouTube has many interviews led by Peter Freestone at the Montreaux convention. You would be received most enthusiastically. Actually that brings up another question. Thor, I'm curious about what made you decide to open up your lives now? Whatever it was, I'm so happy you did. I'm having so much fun reading both you and Lee. |
LOTV 13.12.2017 14:08 |
Dunno what's going on rockers n rollers - I seen to be persona non grata. Seems I can write as LOTV but that's it. I can't see PMs or reply directly to posts. Am I going slightly mad? |
noorie 13.12.2017 15:10 |
LOTV, just one of the new glitches on QZ. Just let your cursor hover around the spot where the 'reply' etc icons used to be, and you will be able to use them. Weird, but it works... :) |
LOTV 13.12.2017 15:38 |
aha, how poor. Cheers |
noorie 13.12.2017 17:49 |
Thor and Lee, first of all, please let me apologise a thousand times for hijacking this amazing thread. And to thank you for your support. It is just that it is extremely frustrating and upsetting to be branded a liar by somebody sitting behind a machine. And to be told that being a Parsi, I don’t understand Parsi behaviour! Here is an article on the internet about an old age Parsi home. Please check the heading (Hi, Darling!) and scroll down to this paragraph. link “Parsis from cities across Gujarat and Mumbai are choosing to settle in Navsari, Surat’s twin city, in the company of new-found friends, some bedridden, some just elderly. Even though almost each one of them nurses the sadness of loneliness, their voices light up in loud, crisp and cheerful greeting, “Hi, Darling!”, at the chance of a conversation with a stranger.” Naturally, it does not explicitly mention that Parsis refer to each other as ‘darling’ and ‘dear’ quite commonly – that is not the subject of the article, but the very heading should point to the fact. Not 100% proof, I grant you, but an obvious indication. Freddie’s school had tons of non-Parsis in it. They may have found it odd to hear him speak like that. But, to any Parsi it is not odd at all – that was my point. There are only around 60000 Parsis in the world, with about 50000 of them in India, mostly in Mumbai. The rest of us who live in other countries, have loads of distant (and near) family in Mumbai. So every Parsi is connected in some way; we don’t require 6 degrees of separation, 3 is all it takes. ?? We have Parsi colonies (baugs) all over Mumbai and other places in India, where most Parsis tend to live, Parsi schools, Parsi colleges, Parsi sports clubs, Parsi hospitals, 3 Parsi magazines and news-papers (apart from many smaller ones), so believe me, for people of any one Parsi family to know people from another Parsi family is no big deal! Our grand-parents, parents, cousins, etc. most likely went to school or college with one another, or lived in the same neighbourhood. Whenever I come across another Parsi, within 5 minutes, we have discovered common connections (That too is a Parsi thing to do – find common connections! ??) Before Freddie became a rock star, his family was just like any other Parsi family, so for my uncle to have gone to India for his schooling and met him there is not a big deal at all. It only becomes a big deal because of who Freddie became in later life. (Btw, most Parsi boys go to Billimoria school (a Parsi school) in Panchgani, very few go to other schools - mainly expat kids) In any case, once my uncle calms down, with his permission, I will give Thor and Lee his name and other details. Now, with another thousand apologies and a promise not to mention this again, on with Thor’s and Lee’s fantastic thread…. |
thundergod 13.12.2017 19:05 |
The idea of a book would take a big commitment from both of us. I will discuss it with Lee when I see him during Christmas in 10 more days. I am retired but Lee still works so we will have to discuss this idea. |
thundergod 13.12.2017 19:11 |
By the way, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your comments and replies to each other. Thank you all (well, perhaps minus one bigot). If I ever miss a question please feel free to remind me.of it and also anything you were not able to read on the other thread.I do not mind re-telling a story again on this new site.. |
thundergod 13.12.2017 19:19 |
Hey Katydyd, Phoebe was, of course, with him in the club but since I didn't know him I was a bit oblivious to him and gave all my attention to Freddie. I'm pretty sure Peter backed off while we were chatting but I now know was aware of everything that went on. It was just Phoebe and the driver in the limousine so I think they were just out together that night (ah...morning). |
thundergod 13.12.2017 19:27 |
Also, I get occasional leukoplakia as well, but it is limited to my inner cheeks as a response to the trauma I put my oral cavity to while grinding in my sleep. I never heard of the "hairy" version of it. If this happened in 1982, I would have probably known because Freddie would have asked for my opinion of it as I was by then a practicing Nurse. |
Tonya 13.12.2017 21:18 |
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Stop The Madness 13.12.2017 23:47 |
Noorie for God's sake WHO CARES about your uncles name and details?? I asked for PROOF. Photos. Let's see photos of him with Freddie in school. Otherwise your story is still just fiction. All you would have to do is go online and look up the signed photos of year books and things from Freddie's time in school and pick out one of those names. No I want PROOF. I don't give a rat's ass what his name is or where he came from or whatever else you spent your desperate time putting together to keep your lie going. I want photos. I can tell you my uncle was from England and type up a bullshit story too about how he was old chums with Paul McCartney. Unless I had proof everyone with half a brain would assume it's fake. Especially when I claim all the known facts about him at the time were wrong. You re trying to come off like you have some deep insight to Freddie because you're parsi. You're full of it. He called people dear and darling because he was gay. You're claiming your uncle went to school with him and that's not odd BUT only parsis call others dear and darling and it was really rare for other parsis to be in the school and that's why evert one at the school that it as strange? You can't even keep up with your lies. If he was so close to you parsis then why did he change his name? He was going by FREDDIE well before he left India. He was super parsi so he called everyone dear all his life but he also changed his name because he was just SO proud of being a parsi he needed to hide it? Come on. You weren't close to him and your family wasn't either. You don't have any deep insight. You're making stuff up to feel closer to him. |
SmokyQuartz 14.12.2017 00:16 |
Thor and Lee, I will send a pm to you both re my thoughts on a book, as Lee has invited this. :-) I'll catch up with this thread later this week and read properly, things have been a bit hectic here. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 00:19 |
Hi noorie, No reply necessary. I wanted to say thank you once more for your Uncle's honest words on this thread. After relating your knowledge of the Parsi community and that of your uncle's recent message.I was able to find many characteristics that you described in Freddie himself and it makes perfect sense. |
Katydyd5 14.12.2017 00:21 |
Thor, thanks again for telling the story of your meeting. I assumed Phoebe was with Freddie at the club, just wanted to know for sure. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 00:21 |
Welcome Tonya, Please try your message again, blanks happen to everyone once or twice. We'd love to hear what you have to say! |
thundergod 14.12.2017 00:23 |
You are very welcome Katydyd. |
Blenkolove 14.12.2017 01:29 |
Noorie, Thank you for the info on ur culture!! As soon as I read that Freddie and his family were Parsi's and Zoroastrianism was their religion.....i immediately googled it and learned much about ur beautiful and peaceful ancient religion/culture!! My favorite part was that Parsi's believe that Life and the GIFT of living was to be celebrated!! Sooo Beautiful, and it seems that that too was Freddie's philosophy!!!! THANK YOU for taking the time to 'teach' us about something so valuable and precious!! (Sorry but I couldn't stomach reading the HOSTILE reply from u know who....reminded me too much of my morning commute w/all the angry road-rage drivers out there) |
noorie 14.12.2017 01:47 |
Thank-you everybody for your kindness. I think that Thor has created this really kind and friendly thread on QZ. Attracting all the nicest people on QZ (with a couple of exceptions). And giving us so many fun insights into Freddie's life. It is a good thread to visit. And share. Thank you Thor. And now Lee as well. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 01:47 |
Nicely stated Blenkolove. I'm really happy that most of the good people on this site support her. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 01:51 |
Norie, you are one of the best and we all love you here (with a couple of exceptions)...LOL |
Katydyd5 14.12.2017 02:11 |
Noorie, thanks so much for the info on Parsi life. I'm always looking to learn new things. |
The Squirrelly One 14.12.2017 02:13 |
I just got back from the from Home Depot and the gentleman that was helping me was built like a Greek god! I said 'My goodness aren't you a muscle man!' just joking with him and he said 'haha yes my name is pretty fitting. I'm Thor. You know like....with the hammer?' L o l! I told him I have only ever known of one other gentleman with that name and he laughed and said people ask him if his name if real or not all the time! He said he goes by John now but his first name is Thor and of course I thought of you. Are all you thors muscle men then?? Lol |
Saint Jiub 14.12.2017 02:16 |
SmokyQuartz wrote: Thor and Lee, I will send a pm to you both re my thoughts on a book, as Lee has invited this. :-) I'll catch up with this thread later this week and read properly, things have been a bit hectic here.Thor & Lee - I think a book by you and Lee would come with an independent and unique perspective from "typical blokes/friends" that do not have professional ties to the music industry. Your friendships with Freddie appear to be more relaxed when Freddie can get away from the music business and be with you guys for a few casual hours now and then. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 02:27 |
Hi Squirrelly, I was born with the name and was lanky during childhood. I started working out at age 16 and didn't stop until I was 49. Now at 62, I let my muscles go. I figured enough was enough. I always get the same question as your Home Depot Thor "What's your real name" Some I have to show my driver's license, but most always add "what a cool name". I give thanks to my parents for the name. I was born in a major thunder and lightning storm in New York City and my Father came up with the name as a sign from the god's (he had been drinking with his Irish buddy Jimmy Kelly) from across the street. I'm just glad it was not snowing!!!...LOL |
thundergod 14.12.2017 02:29 |
Thank you Panchgani we will see what happens. |
The Squirrelly One 14.12.2017 02:44 |
Well thor don't forget I have seen your recent picture so I can attest mucles or not youre still as handsome as ever! Did Freddie ever ask you for any workout advice? Did he ever express any desire to be buff himself? I heard an interview with him once where he talked about not having enough time to workout. Perhaps he just enjoyed sitting back and appreciating muscles on other men vs workingout himself? I know we talked about this before but it's been weeks! |
Blenkolove 14.12.2017 02:51 |
Noorie.... I may be off...but I thought Fred's mom stated on a documentary that Freddie was born on the Parsi New Year's Day....Do Parsi's celebrate Christian holidays...ie Christmas, Easter??? Any "special days you celebrate that we might not know about??? I'd love to hear more about you and Paris customs!!! Oh....and HAPPY CHANUKAH to All our Jewish friends@!!! |
thundergod 14.12.2017 03:00 |
HaHa Squirrelly, When Freddie moved into his New York City Condominium, he or more probably Phoebe, bought a beautiful sparkling exercise system. He did not use it once and gave it to me when he moved out of New York. I stored it at my sister's house but her son kind of took it over without my permission. Once while visiting I asked to look at it, but it was nowhere to be found because my nephew sold it off for heavier equipment. I'll never forgive him! |
Catus 14.12.2017 03:09 |
Hi Noorie, I have been so amazed by your uncle's story and by your insight into your culture! Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us. |
Catus 14.12.2017 03:40 |
Thor and Lee, I have a question that you might have answered already but I could not remember if Thor mentioned it in the previous 100-page conversation... :) How did Freddie come up with this whole business of calling you guys "daughters"? Do you know if he had this "Mother" idea when he met all of you, or did he play this game with his other friends as well? And I just wanted to say that I LOVE this thread! It is such a treat being able to read it, so thanks a lot!! |
thundergod 14.12.2017 04:01 |
Hey Catus, Well, Freddie had played this game before we met him. The idea behind it was to come up with the first name of a B rated actress, based on the real last name. There were exceptions. For example Joe Fanelli and Joe Scardilli got Liza of course and she was an A actress but because of the great fit of names they got it. Before I knew Freddie, he would be called Melina due to Melina Mercouri by his friends and for some reason, Elton John was nicknamed Sharon. Was there an actress named Sharon John in Britain? Lee Nolan was given the name Kathleen in "honor" of Kathleen Nolan the co-star of an 1960s era American TV show called "The Real McCoy's" John Murphy got the name Delia, based on an old Irish singer named Delia Murphy. I got the name P.P. based on a singer on British TV named P.P. Arnold. She was partially famous for the British version of the song"Angel of the Morning" The only name that stuck was Kathleen. We other three were rarely called by our Freddie nicknames. |
Catus 14.12.2017 04:11 |
Hey Thor, Thanks a lot, I imagine how much fun he had finding an actress that would match the last name! And how did you guys come up with the idea that you are his daughters? |
thundergod 14.12.2017 04:20 |
Well Catus, He referred to himself as Mother, so we were Daughters as decided by Freddie. We thought it was all in good fun! |
Catus 14.12.2017 04:34 |
Thank you so much Thor! |
matt z 14.12.2017 06:19 |
Reiterating a past question since Lee is here. Dainty lee angry lee normal Lee formal Lee ...ever hear those? Anyways. The question: Freddie was in college as an art student. Do you have any examples of Fred's drawings/work? Did u guys ever witness him and his artwork. ..had he ever talked about the subject? (*as in how did these 4 very different people come together and become this legendary band) They're seldom seen, I'd seen a few featured briefly in the UNTOLD STORY doc....and though it'd be wonderful to have them compiled and EXHIBITED on a tour someday. ....i don't think anybody cares to work towards it. Thor had expressed that this subject would be more your specialty or Mary's I've always thought it'd be a great Labour of love to compile those existing works that were made or even sold at Kensington market. I wonder how many survive? It's a VERY neglected facet of the man's life (*although I'm pretty sure he'd just call the stuff ordinary and scholastic) |
LOTV 14.12.2017 11:29 |
Fred was fit as a fiddle for world tours from 82 onwards. He said himself one of the reasons he couldn't do it forever was because he had to keep himself fit so he must have done some fitness work. Maybe he bench pressed Phoebe and did laps of the ludicrous sized hotel suites he used to stay in! |
Martin Packer 14.12.2017 13:44 |
"Sharon" relates to the "Sharon from Pinner" cliché. Pinner is a suburb in North West London - not as far out as the Watford that Elton John is from. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 14:44 |
Hi LOTV, Freddie always had a lot of energy and a fast metabolism. However, I never witnessed any regular exercise or muscle building. He looked great but always remained very slender. I believe that he remained physically fit by the nearly two hour long antics and constant running around the entire stage during tours. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 14:51 |
Hey Martin Packer, I've always wondered where that name for Elton John came from. Thank you for the information. I don't know anything about the "Sharon from Pinner cliche." Perhaps you could explain how that cliche came about when you have time. |
noorie 14.12.2017 15:54 |
Blenkolove wrote: Noorie.... I may be off...but I thought Fred's mom stated on a documentary that Freddie was born on the Parsi New Year's Day....Do Parsi's celebrate Christian holidays...ie Christmas, Easter??? Any "special days you celebrate that we might not know about??? I'd love to hear more about you and Paris customs!!! Oh....and HAPPY CHANUKAH to All our Jewish friends@!!!Blenkolove, Parsis celebrate everything!! Christmas (Christmas tree and all) and Halloween, and Diwali (with beautiful diyaas), and Easter (Easter egg hunt with tons of chocolate!), and every festival that comes along. Growing up, my family even celebrated Hannukah, eating latkes -courtesy our Jewish neighbours! But we have 2 of our own. One is on the 21st of March - a spring celebration called Navroz, meaning new beginning. The second falls between mid-August to early September (the date changes slightly each year as the Parsi calendar is different from the Gregorian calendar. There are 10 gathas - days of special prayers, followed by Pateti (last day of the old year, and the next day is another Navroz (very unimaginative people, couldn't figure out 2 names, called both festivals Navroz) which is our New Year and the start of the Parsi calendar. I guess in 1946, this must have fallen on September 5. So Freddie was a New Year's baby! Naturally! :) :) Back to Thor and Lee. About the book... I just thought, that if you are going to write a book, you should try and get it out in the stores around the time the Freddie movie is released. The movie will generate a lot of fresh interest in Freddie, and hopefully a best seller for you!!! And Thor, you must have had very imaginative and interesting parents to have named you Thor! The kind of name every guy longs to have! And a Happy Hanukkah to all our Jewish QZers. :) |
Katydyd5 14.12.2017 16:45 |
link Stick with me just a little longer. Clearly I'm stuck on the club dancing issue, but I promise this is the last question. I attached the video for Back Chat. I've always supposed that Freddie danced lke this in clubs. I think it looks pretty good, but what do I know? Is this like anything you guys experienced with him in clubs? |
Katydyd5 14.12.2017 16:49 |
Nevermind. Apparently my techdweeb has reared its head and I don't know how to post a link here. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 17:10 |
Katydyd, All one has to do is copy and paste in a new window. I just did! |
thundergod 14.12.2017 17:18 |
Wow, That was good dancing! I have no idea then why he was so shy about dancing. Maybe he had a choreographer for his videos and followed the steps but could not come up with them himself and felt awkward. If Freddie could not control how he came across on a random dance floor, perhaps he was not interested |
MiracleTour1989 14.12.2017 18:00 |
Lee, welcome to the thread. Thanks so much for sharing your personal knowledge of Freddie. You, too, Thor. Did Freddie ever see any of the big films of the 80s like Ghostbusters or Gremlins or ET? Did he ever share any information about the state of the band in the early to mid 80s when there reports of friction and breaking up? Did he ever weigh in on the topic of AIDS in the early to mid 80s? How did he tell you he was ill? Thanks for sharing, Lee and Thor. Really quite amazing that you're a part of this community. |
noorie 14.12.2017 18:14 |
Thor, please check your pm. :) Info sent. :) |
thundergod 14.12.2017 18:47 |
And noorie, please check your PM |
noorie 14.12.2017 18:53 |
Sorry Thor, for some reason your pm has not come through. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 19:00 |
OH NO noorie It was long so be patient while I rewrite it. |
noorie 14.12.2017 19:13 |
Please take your time, Thor. No rush. Thank you so much. I am just glad I could send you the info. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 20:01 |
noorie, I am not getting the "message sent" notification. There must be a problem. I may have to share my response to your message on the thread and don't worry, what is private will remain private. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 20:03 |
But after two long message attempts, I will wait until later or tomorrow. |
noorie 14.12.2017 20:19 |
Thor, I absolutely trust your discretion in posting what you'd like to. And please take your time. I really don't want to monopolise your attention! :) |
thundergod 14.12.2017 20:24 |
At least if my time is monopolized it is with a wonderfully kind and caring and most of all, honest individual We all love you noorie and your uncle! |
noorie 14.12.2017 20:40 |
Awww!!!! Thanks. :) He looks scary, doesn't he???? Lol! |
SmokyQuartz 14.12.2017 21:49 |
Noorie, I hadn't got around to saying thanks for your posts and your Uncle's. I enjoyed your first post on Thor's thread about the Parsi community too. Sent you a pm. :-) |
noorie 14.12.2017 21:54 |
^^^ SmokyQuartz, thanks. pm-d you back. :) |
thundergod 14.12.2017 22:23 |
Hey noorie, I am going to condense my private comments to you. I feel you would make the perfect ambassador to represent the Parsi community. I know that your community is not evangelical and not prone to explaining their religious beliefs. It seems and judging by your uncle point of view, that you are a proud people who do not need fanfare from others. To tell you the truth, your culture seems to represent something near a Utopia. Imagine if all cultures were non-judgemental, kind to everyone, loving, and are joyful and fun loving. It shines such a light on why Freddie was so kind and real to his friends. I hope your uncle may understand that what you two have done is explain why Freddie was so kind and friendly. The information about the Parsi community (unknown by many until now) helps us finally understand Freddie's true nature. I thank you so much for allowing us to have insight into your people. It so helps explain Freddie's personality and why we still love him so. |
noorie 14.12.2017 22:45 |
Thor, wow! I'm going to let my mother read this! I have no words to express your kindness, or the kindness of most everybody (we still have our exceptions.. :) ) on this thread. When you first started your thread, I thought 'Thor is so lucky to have had a friend like Freddie'. Now I also feel, 'Freddie was so lucky to have a friend like Thor'! And to me, that says it all. Now, please Lee and Thor, let's hear about Freddie, before everybody is totally sick of me!!! |
thundergod 14.12.2017 22:50 |
Probably, many of you know this interview, but I read it for the first time and wanted to share it with those who didn't. By Angela Levin9:00AM BST 08 Sep 2012 Freddie Mercury’s mother was watching the Olympic closing ceremony when her adored son’s image suddenly appeared on a vast screen. “I cried out: 'Oh my dear boy, where are you?’” she tells me. “I miss him so much.” A cheeky smile then spreads across her face. “They showed John Lennon too, but there was much more applause for my Freddie.” Freddie, born Farrokh Bulsara, the frontman of rock band Queen and charismatic solo performer, died in 1991 of Aids-related pneumonia. He was 45. Jer Bulsara, who is 90 next month, has found immense consolation in his continuing popularity, yet when talking about him her voice still cracks with emotion. “His passing doesn’t seem more than 20 years ago,” she says. “I still feel he is around because his music is played so often. It reassures me that he is still loved by people all over the world, but of course, none of them love him as much as his mother.” Mrs Bulsara, who lives in a purpose-built three-bedroom bungalow in Nottingham, is tiny, immaculate and rather stooped, but her brain is sharp and her kind eyes sparkle when she talks about “my boy”. She is a practising Parsee, a religion that follows the prophet Zoroaster which arrived in India from Persia in the 7th century. She is also deeply private and this is the first in-depth interview she has given. The reason is a lavish new book: Freddie Mercury, The Great Pretender, A Life in Pictures that is full of wonderful photographs, including several never-before seen images, that span the rock star’s life. One can only imagine how hard it must have been for Freddie’s devoutly religious parents to come to terms with their firebrand son. Fortunately, the love flowed both ways and Freddie seems to have tried to protect them from his excesses. Related Articles India's dwindling Parsi population to be boosted with fertility clinics 16 Oct 2012 Freddie Mercury becomes Angry Bird on a bicycle 03 Sep 2012 Donny Osmond: 'I was washed up by 21' 10 Sep 2012 In pictures: Freddie Mercury 24 Nov 2011 Indeed, Mrs Bulsara reveals a very different Freddie to the exotic, bisexual, wild-living, supremely talented performer the public knew. “Freddie kept a strict division between his work and his home all his life,” she says. “If I ever asked he would say, 'Mum that is business, and this is family.’ He was kind and very respectful both to myself and his father.” Her husband, Bomi, a former cashier in the British Colonial Office, died nine years ago aged 95. His sexuality was not a subject Freddie ever discussed at home. Nor did he tell her that he was HIV positive or dying of Aids. “He protected us by never discussing these matters,” Mrs Bulsara reveals. “It is quite different now, but back then it would have been very hard for him to tell us and we respected his feelings.” Did she visit him when he was dying? “Of course,” she whispers. “He didn’t have to say anything. I knew he was very ill.” Freddie was born in Zanzibar in 1946 and went to an English-style boarding school in India when he was eight. “We tried to instil good values into him, like respecting the family and giving 100 per cent to whatever he did and although he wasn’t religious, he respected our ways.” The Parsee faith believes in one invisible God and is founded on the three tenets of good thoughts, good words and good deeds. “Freddie always loved to sing and set up a school band when he was 12. In 1964, as a result of the Zanzibar Revolution, the family, including Freddie’s younger sister Kashmira, now 60, fled to the UK and settled in a four-bedroomed terraced house in Feltham, Middlesex. Mrs Bulsara and her husband found it hard, not least because of the weather, but Freddie thrived. Like most parents they wanted their only son to have a safe job. “Most of our family are lawyers or accountants, but Freddie insisted he wasn’t clever enough and wanted to play music and sing,” she laughs. “My husband and I thought it was a phase he would grow out of and expected he would soon come back to his senses and return to proper studies. It didn’t happen.” It was an excuse, of course, and instead Freddie went to Ealing Art College where he studied for a diploma in art and graphic design. “I felt particularly sad when Freddie decided to leave home and move to a flat in west London,” his mother continues. “He was always playing music and an elderly neighbour complained about the noise so he said it was time to go. I told him I understood. “He first had a flat and then a big house, also in Kensington, but when he wasn’t away on tour, he would come home regularly. He always liked my cooking, especially my dahls, sweet and sour mince and cheese biscuits. When he was famous and had people to dinner he’d sometimes ask me to make them for him. “He was so generous, too. One day he bought me a complete set of antique silver cutlery to apologise for not turning up for a meal. I didn’t like to use it as it was so posh, so only put it out when he came. He also invited us for meals prepared by his cook and made a big fuss of me. When I went into the kitchen out of habit to help, he’d insist I sat down and relax.” Freddie had countless male lovers in his life, but the individual he called the love of his life was a woman. Freddie met 19-year-old Mary Austin, who was a PR for the Biba boutique, in the early Seventies. They were together for seven years and he later described her as his common-law wife. He said she was the only person he truly loved and left his mansion, most of his wealth and recording royalties to her. He even took her home to meet his parents. “She was lovely and used to come to us for meals,” Mrs Bulsara recalls. “I used to wish they had got married and had a normal life with children. But even when they broke up, I knew she still loved my boy and they stayed friends right to the end. I haven’t seen her since he died.” Did she approve that he left her the bulk of his estate? “Why not?” she replies firmly. “She was just like family to us and still is.” Mary had two sons; Richard, who Freddie knew, and Jamie, born shortly after his death. Her relationship with their father didn’t last and she later married a London businessman. She still lives in Freddie’s splendid mansion. Within a couple of years of Freddie’s death, there were significant medical advances in the treatment of HIV and Aids. Some believe that if he had lasted a little longer his life could have been saved. Mrs Bulsara has a more philosophical approach. “It was a very sad day when he died in November 1991, but according to our religion when it is the right time you cannot change it. You have to go. God loved him more and wanted him with Him and that is what I keep in my mind. No mother wants to see her son die, but, at the same time, he has done more for the world in his short life than many people could do in 100 years. “After he died my husband and I missed him so much we decided to move to Nottingham, where Kashmira was living with her husband, Roger, so we could be close to our two grandchildren. I have settled in and I am happy up here. I take great comfort today in all the things that happen around Freddie. There are so many tribute bands and I have been about six times to see We Will Rock You [the Queen musical in London]. “I was also very happy with the Freddie for a Day event,” she adds. This annual event, which takes place on or around Freddie’s birthday (Sept 5), involves individuals dressing up as Freddie to raise money for the Mercury Phoenix Trust, founded by members of Queen and which helps Aids charities around the world. Mrs Bulsara is particularly keen on the new book, containing finely reproduced photographs of Freddie from the time he was six months old until shortly before his death. It shows a goofy-toothed tee |
thundergod 14.12.2017 22:55 |
continuing: Mrs Bulsara is particularly keen on the new book, containing finely reproduced photographs of Freddie from the time he was six months old until shortly before his death. It shows a goofy-toothed teenager – “I tried to sort it out with braces but he didn’t bother wearing them. Later he didn’t want to do anything that might affect his voice” – a flamboyant rock star and cross dresser. It also includes a CD of an interview with Freddie from the Eighties. Mrs Bulsara’s face lights up as she tenderly turns the pages, putting the photographs in context and commenting, not always favourably, on his hair and clothes. “As a mother you think, 'what is this?’” she laughs pointing at a particularly garish outfit. “I often told him I didn’t like his clothes and dresses, and tried to get him to cut his hair, but he would explain it was something you have to do when you are in the pop world and gradually I learnt to accept it. She pauses for a minute, then smiles. “Whatever he did or wore I always saw in him the same child I knew, he would tell us lots of jokes and I could always connect with him.” Not every mother could say that about their famous son. |
thundergod 14.12.2017 22:57 |
WOW |
Blenkolove 14.12.2017 23:07 |
WOW!! PERHAPS 'LOVE OF MY LIFE" WAS WRITTEN FOR HIS MUM!!! THAT WAS SO BEAUTIFUL....I HAVE TEARS???? |
thundergod 14.12.2017 23:09 |
Hey Blenkolove, That is exactly how it affected me as well. Thanks for your thoughts. |
Catus 14.12.2017 23:43 |
It's so beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time... Thanks for sharing this interview with us... |
Catus 14.12.2017 23:49 |
I recently watched a documentary that I really liked, it is told from a perspective of a British opera singer who regards Freddie as his hero and inspiration. Trying to find out more, he talks to Freddie's friends and family, including his mom and sister. If you don't mind, I'll share this little bit here just in case anyone's interested. link (starting approx. from 8min 30 sec) |
thundergod 14.12.2017 23:50 |
Catus, You are very welcome, are you starting to see why his culture undoubtedly helped make him, Our Freddie. He was always so happy and full of life. |
Catus 15.12.2017 00:01 |
Thor, yes, it is a great insight for me; I really did not know much about this culture before and I think now I can understand his origins much better. And even through I've never seen him live I feel a lot of support when I'm listening to Freddie's and Queen songs, in a very real and substantial way. |
Katydyd5 15.12.2017 00:24 |
On the PM topic, I found out fairly early that if your PM is long, it simply gets cut off at some point. I switched to email contact with one new friend from QZ and since both of us are long-winded, it works better for us. |
Katydyd5 15.12.2017 00:26 |
Noorie, I agree with Thor. The information you are sharing opens a window to Freddie that we might not have had without you. I had Googled Parsi and Zoroastrian when I first started on this journey, but you have made things so clear. Thank you! I know there must be a way to reply directly to a post, but I haven't figured it out. |
noorie 15.12.2017 00:30 |
Katydyd thank you. To reply to any post, just let your cursor hover over the empty space next to the date over that post.. where the icons used to be. You cannot see the icon, but you will be able to read 'reply to quote'. Just click on that invisible icon! :) |
Katydyd5 15.12.2017 00:32 |
Wow, thanks Noorie! |
Katydyd5 15.12.2017 00:36 |
Thor, I had read that interview with Freddie's mom before, but I never tire of it. There is so much love and longing in her words. As the mother of two sons, I cannot imagine losing either of them. Her pain must have been so deep. Her words are another door into his personality and the reasons why he is still so loved today. I sometimes wonder what he would think if he knew how loved he is and how enduring his legacy is across the world. I have the book she references and it is beautiful. Though I had seen many of the pictures before, having them in one big beautiful book is a treasure. I have a nice library of Freddie/jQueen books and would be delighted to add another. (hint, hint) |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 00:44 |
Noorie........ I've been slammed at work and want to go back and re-read the latest posts!!! ! Didn't want u to think I wasn't Absolutely Positively Grateful for : 1st YOUR TIME 2nd YOUR WILLINGNESS TO OPEN UP TO US (Strangers Really.....w common Love for ALL THINGS FREDDIE) and 3rd.YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT!!!! TTYS?? |
noorie 15.12.2017 01:10 |
Enlightenment? I would not go that far Blenkolove!! :) But would love to talk to you whenever.. .... :) Wow! Thor has brought so many people to this thread.. Amazing! Thor, I now have the book mentioned in the beautiful interview you reproduced on my 'to buy' list. Somebody who has it told me it was very beautiful and very beautifully laid out. Has anybody here read it? Freddie Mercury - The Great Pretender - A life in pictures. |
Katydyd5 15.12.2017 01:31 |
I have the book Noorie. It's lovely and well worth owning. |
YAWN 15.12.2017 01:31 |
I have a few copies of it. My family know im a Freddie fan so every year I get buried beneath Freddie books and DVDs as gifts. I usually end up with a few extra of everything. It's ok. It's a collection of photos most of us have seen before, put together nicely. |
YAWN 15.12.2017 01:37 |
Also where the heck is KathLEEN?? Lmao. Did he say he was taking a break or did we scare him off already? Lol |
thundergod 15.12.2017 01:40 |
Villiers, He is working tonight until 10pm PDT. |
YAWN 15.12.2017 01:46 |
Ah ok. He may have even posted that and I just didn't see it. I've been meaning to catch up on the thread for a while. I chime in from time to time but I just started my Christmas break from work (No calls to my phone and no freaking emails lol) so I've been spending most of my day getting reacquainted with my old friend Jack Daniels. I say friend....I love him, he doesn't love me lol. I've got some Janis Joplin on and am currently attempting to wrap gifts. What kind of records did Freddie play around the house? Was he into Joplin by any chance? |
The Squirrelly One 15.12.2017 02:02 |
Villiers that takes me back to my college days. Shots of Jack and fun nights! I can't do it now unless I mix it with something. I've gone soft! I tend to stick with just wine these days. Did Freddie ever branch out from vodka and wine? Perhaps a bit of tequila? Everyone likes a good margarita sometime right lol |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 02:42 |
HEY Everybody!!!! The US Government wants to Hijack OUR INTERNET!!! IF WE ARE STILL A DEMOCRACY.......WE ALL NEED TO CONTACT ALL OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND THE FCC AND LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD........THE US IS RAPIDLY BECOMING an AUTOCRACY!!!!! |
Rainbow61 15.12.2017 02:42 |
Hi Thor and Lee, I think this question got lost...unless I missed the response. :) Was wondering if Freddie ever asked what you thought about his performance after any of the shows you attended? Did he seem to need your feedback? Did you ever hear him mention anything (positive or negative) about his own performance or that of the others in the band? Was curious if he was ever self-critical. (Maybe all post-show discussions were between the band members only?) You might have mentioned this before, but can you talk about a specific moment/moments during any show that really stands out for you? I'm sure there were many. When I watch Queen concert videos, I am completely enthralled by what a dynamic and powerful singer Freddie is....it never gets old watching him perform...oh, to have seen him live!!! |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 02:59 |
SORRY SORRY SORRY!!! I LOATHE POLITICS.......BUT I HATE WHAT'S HAPPENING TO AMERICA MORE. The main reason I've spent Months engrossed in Freddie......is to AVOID the AWFUL that's been happening. But if Gov't gets control of internet...WE may not be able to do what we are ALL DOING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!!! I THINK?We American's still have a VOICE.... Just saying: ) |
Dustin Zimmerman 15.12.2017 03:06 |
Sorry blenkonlove but whats this got to do with Freddie? Did I miss something? Just seems really random and with no backstory. Did I miss a post about it before and how it goes to Freddie or? What's going on |
thundergod 15.12.2017 03:26 |
Hi Rainbow, Freddie never discussed if he was disappointed in any particular concert. As I have said before, he never wanted to talk about work when he was away from work. Also, I loved the smoke screen, the high powered moving colorful lights, and the power of Freddie no matter what he sang. No offence to Brian May but Lee and I always went for a beer during his guitar solo....except when his parents were behind us...LOL |
YAWN 15.12.2017 03:34 |
We all do, Thor. Don't feel bad. Lol. |
Fireplace 15.12.2017 03:40 |
Thor, a bit late in the game but I loved the story how you got your name. God knows every man should have an Irish drinking buddy named Jimmy Kelly. |
thundergod 15.12.2017 03:40 |
He is a genuinely a good person. I just like songs with lyrics, not instrumental heavy metal. sorry. |
thundergod 15.12.2017 03:42 |
Hey Fireplace, I agree...LOL |
thundergod 15.12.2017 03:55 |
Hello Blenkolove, I used to blurt out political statements too, but you have to remember that this thread has people on it from all around the world, I agree with you, but please Private Message me with political viewpoints. Thank you friend! |
Katydyd5 15.12.2017 03:55 |
I've seen YouTube of Brian's solos and I think that beer sounds pretty good. I like Brian a lot, more so the more I read, but I'm not into the heavy metal either. Wasn't that a welcome break for the rest of the band though? Oh shoot, I can't think what the closed off area on the stage was called............doll's house? That sounds wrong. But didn't they disappear in there to regroup, catch their breath, etc? Did Roger do extended drum solos? |
thundergod 15.12.2017 04:04 |
Hi Katydyd, According to what I have read and heard, there were drum solos also, but I don't think that happened during the two American tours. I would have remembered that (I hope) because I had good feelings about Roger. |
YAWN 15.12.2017 04:06 |
I've been to 4 Queen and Adam shows and I have gone to the bathroom or gotten nachos during every single one of Brian's solos lol. Tons of people do. My brother is a big drum fanatic so he always stays put for the Roger drum battle but even he gets ups and stretches a bit when Brian goes solo. Brian even joked once that he knew people left to get refreshments when he played. I don't think he takes it to heart lol. He's a massive talent but I can't do 11 minutes of instrumentals either. |
Dustin Zimmerman 15.12.2017 04:22 |
Thor and Lee did either of you ever see Freddie party hard enough to get sick? My cousin called me today and told me about his weekend adventures that left him puking out of a car window thanks to unlimited free drinks at a party. Peter Freestone talked about the very first time he ever watched Freddie on his own. Freddie was usually being taken care of by Paul Prenter at the time but while at a club Paul got lucky with a man and left peter in charge. He was to let Freddie have fun and take him where he wanted and make sure Freddie got back to the hotel safely. Apparently Freddie voted for staying at the gay bar and drinking peppermint schnapps. Lots of schnapps. Peter said he didn't feel like he had the right to suggest Freddie slow down so he just let him drink and by the end of the night Freddie was stumbling around and nearly passed out in an elevator on the way back to his room. Poor peter got stuck cleaning up Freddie's puke by the end of the night. Such is the life of a rockstar though! Freddie slept it off and was fine the next day. But talk about a hard first day at work for Peter. |
Dustin Zimmerman 15.12.2017 04:25 |
As a man in my 20s in beautiful Cali, I am all too familiar with partying that hard. Which is why I ask |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 04:36 |
Thor, Lee, and ALL following this thread, Mea Culpa!! I'm New to Social Media....But I'm old enough to know better than to espouse Political opinions!!! I had just returned home from work, turned on a bit of News.......had a knee-jerk reaction!! It won't happen again!! *****not sure if I can PM?? I'm on a device and realize it has limitations***** And to Thor....THANKS for having my back <3 |
Rainbow61 15.12.2017 05:45 |
Thor and Lee, Thor, on the last thread you mentioned a fun trip to Jones beach, Freddie renting a limo, bringing beach toys and crazy costumes. Sounds like you had a blast (well maybe not for Peter as he mentions in his book he got sunstroke). Can either of you elaborate on that day a bit more? Did you guys spread out on towels and work on your tans....go swimming...walk up and down the beach? What beach toys...a volleyball, frisbee etc.? What kind of crazy costumes would you wear at a beach? I remember Peter saying that he never saw Freddie swim at any time he knew him. So did Freddie just walk in the water up to his knees? Just trying to get a picture of what that day was like. Thanks for indulging my silly questions!!!! |
thundergod 15.12.2017 05:50 |
Dustin, who wouldn't? This is a paradise! |
thundergod 15.12.2017 05:57 |
Hey Rainbow, I remember a delicious picnic lunch prepared by Peter Freestone. Also, we had some disguised cocktails. Jones Beach did not allow alcohol. Oh well! I don't remember costumes but I do remember beach blow-up toys. and silly glasses and neckwear. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 06:18 |
I just wrote about a 300 word response, and it was kidnapped by the internet, somehow......OMG.....and it WAS brilliant. I'll try again. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 06:19 |
i'll try again.....it went something like this............. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 06:28 |
OMG....it happened again. The internet just gave out as I was on another 300 page response. ggggggrrrrrrr I'll try again........... |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 06:31 |
Sooooooooooo Hiiiiiiiiiiiii It's nice to be missed and talked about. Old line............the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. Noorie, thanks for being Norrie. Villiers, thanks for missing me. One of my favorite lines from Freddie, came when I had just came off of a busy work week. He said "Kathleen, where have you been? You were conspicuous by your absence". It's a line I use to this day. I'm posting and replying before the message is stolen again. |
thundergod 15.12.2017 06:34 |
Lee, it's been happening to me too. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 06:41 |
OK.....SOOOOO Thor has outed us about our beer runs when Brian started his solo.........it IS true and we got such a kick pout of the tradition, except for the second night at Wembley when Brian's parents were sitting next to us the second night at Wembley Stadium..........we waited until an appropriate moment to get the beer......LOL We were in the friends and family section for the concert both nights. Mick jagger was BEHIND us for the second night, also. That made us feel special.....HA ! I absolutely do not remember Jim being there for the Wembley concerts. He avoided us when he could. Might have been a jealousy thing, or some strange assumption that he wasn't wanted around. Freddie had gotten a huge limo bus so we could all travel from The gArden Lodge together. There was along in the back where Thor, Freddie, Brandon, and myself planted ourselves........maybe Phoebe was there, because I have a great photo of the four of us that SOMEONE had to have taken. Maybe it was Jim, but he doesn't seem to remember us, as there is not a single word in his book about the New York Daughters, except of the line where John Murphy was assumed to be a lover of Freddie's, and probably passed the virus on to him because, he, John, had slept with patient zero........W T F ???????? Just because patient zero was a flight attendant did not mean that all flight attendants slept together. YIKES. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 06:46 |
It happened again...........i was tying away, and boom....gone |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 06:49 |
JONES BEACH Fun, fun, fun. Freddie's limo pulled up to my corner, and Mother sprung from the sun roof with his arms in the air. The usual suspects were there, including Freddie's New York chauffeur, with some strange zebra shirt on, cause Freddie had told him to wear something festive. Bill Reed was there, and behaved himself ALL day....... There were LOTS of photos, and a sweet one of Freddie and Bill on the ride home...... i don't remember Freddie going into the water. The cocktails were strong. I really, REALLY good time was had by all........ What have I missed question wise? |
thundergod 15.12.2017 06:53 |
Matt z had some questions for you Lee. |
thundergod 15.12.2017 06:56 |
On page 14 |
The Squirrelly One 15.12.2017 07:25 |
Wait wait Lee! You mean Jim Huttons book when you say he never mentioned the NY Daughters but said John Murphy gave Freddie AIDS? I have read the book at least 50 times over the years and knew Jim personally along with his niece who I still consider a dear friend. He never said that about John in his book. that John thing was stated as fact in the Somebody To Love book (which was lies) and a few other poorly informed books. Like I told Thor when I asked Jim about the NY Daughters he smiled and said he was thrilled Freddie had friends like them. When we talked about you guys he never once had a bad word to say. Just that he didn't know you guys very well. He loved that you were friends with Freddie. I think he probably just felt like he didn't fit in. He definitely didn't say the John Murphy stuff. Remember he was reporting back in his book calling out the lies that the press and Paul Prenter spread about Freddie at the time. He certainly never believed John gave Freddie AIDS as he told me himself that he didn't know who gave it to him and neither did Freddie. He also stated that in the book. Jim was closer to Freddie's England friends and the band but I think it's because he was around them more. He stayed in touch with Brian until he passed in 2010. Keep in mind that Freddie often flaunted other lovers in front of him to make him jealous all the time too. Peter confirmed that on many occasions. He never mentioned any of you being Freddie's lover at any point so I doubt jealousy kept him away in this case. He did tell me about Winnie though! Sorry just wanted to clear that up! I can see how you guys might have taken it a different way with Jim not hanging around. |
Dustin Zimmerman 15.12.2017 07:34 |
Huh? Are you sure that line from Jim's book about Murphy wasn't about what some tabloid wrote because I'm very familiar with Huttons book and he didn't say that to my knowledge. Also Jim didn't take the photo you're referring to. He didn't get to take much of anything from the house. As Peter said Jim and them were asked to leave Garden Lodge right after Freddie died and Jim didn't get to take any photos. He actually asked Mary if he could get some that he himself took of freddie and she said no. She also didn't let him take the cat he bought for Freddie. The stuff he had in his book was stuff he either managed to sneak out or stuff he already put away. Doubt he could even sneak anything out because Mary actually had security that wouldn't let them in after Freddie died. Jim Joe and peter were searched when they left the house every time theu stepped in for anything. If anyone took your photo from Garden Lodge it was Mary. The last time peter went in he mentioned all the photo frames still being there but the photos of his friends and Jim Joe and he were all removed. She also didn't let peter get all his belongings. He talked about a suitcase he never was allowed to get back. |
c.jory 15.12.2017 07:39 |
I went to a Queen + Adam concert on Wednesday night and loads of people walked out en masse as soon as the solo started! |
Dustin Zimmerman 15.12.2017 07:42 |
This is from Peters book. He was saying that Paul Prenter had gone to the press and claimed John was a lovers of Freddie's. "On May 4, Freddie was devastated by another story about him in the Sun. And so was I. His old friend, Paul Prenter had stitched him up. Aids Kills Freddie's Two Lovers, it declared, and the story was run across three pages. Tony Bastin, from Brighton, and John Murphy, an airline steward, had died from the disease in 1986. And Prenter claimed that Freddie had called him late one night and poured out his fears about Aids." |
Dustin Zimmerman 15.12.2017 07:42 |
Sorry my last post should have said it was from Jim's book not Peters lol. |
c.jory 15.12.2017 07:53 |
Yeah like Dustin says, it was definitely Prenter who started the John Murphy rumour and the STL book ran with it cos the authors didn't do good enough research. I worked out he hadn't slept with John cos Peter's book never mentioned it. |
YAWN 15.12.2017 07:56 |
Welcome back KathLEEN! Lol What was your impression of Mary? Hope I'm not opening a can of worms here lol. I've never met her, but the vibe I got from her character has never been....very good? I wont go too deep into my thoughts on her choices after Freddie's death but let's just say I was disappointed in what I read about some of ways she made Peter and Jim feel. She could have (and should have imo) handled that very differently. *sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong, I know LOL* Thor said she didn't seem very interested in joining in with the fun when you guys were around. Was that the vibe you got as well? Did you guys ever share any fun times with her? I'm assuming she was only seen when y'all were in London. I'm sure she meant a great deal to Freddie but I'm wondering if she ever reached outnto any of his friends at all because the general feeling about her from his gay friends was that she avoided them. At least that's what I got from some books and interviews |
Dustin Zimmerman 15.12.2017 08:07 |
Lol What did Thor say on his thread about Mary? "I might burst the Saint Mary image". It doesn't take much to do that when you look at the facts. Just read Freestone's second book. I don't think Thor was a fan of hers and I'm certainly not. Joe, Jim and Freestone weren't either by the end of things. |
YAWN 15.12.2017 08:11 |
Lemme just hop on here and clarify before it gets weird (Lord, nobody has time fo' that!): I don't mean for this to become a Mary slag fest LOL. I didn't know her personally so im just going off books and interviews (as I said). Just curious to see what Ms LEEN got from it at the time! |
Invisible Woman 15.12.2017 12:57 |
I read Jim's book, Jim wasn't said that in his book. I think Jim was a very good and modest man and he didn't want to impose his presence but he wanted that your group of friends to spend as much more time alone with Freddie. Maybe I'm not in right, but I think so. Question(s) for both of you. Thor and Lee,when would you get a chance to make a documentary about Freddie what would be the name of the documentary and who would you invite to talk about Freddie? And if you really would be publish a book about friendship with him, what would be the title of that book and what would be the cover of it , some photo, drawing or something else? Thanks. |
Rainbow61 15.12.2017 13:14 |
Thor and Lee, Thanks for your responses....That must have been a sight with Freddie standing up through the sun-roof with outstretched arms. Hope you snapped a picture of that! |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 14:56 |
Hi Noorie I sent u a pm |
noorie 15.12.2017 17:15 |
Blenkolove, check your pm-s please. :) |
noorie 15.12.2017 17:16 |
Blenkolove, check your pm-s please. :) |
noorie 15.12.2017 17:32 |
Just wanted to add 1 thing. Somebody (sorry, I've forgotten who) mentioned they'd love to see some of Freddie's original art work. Well, a lot of it was displayed at the Stormtroopers in Stilettos Exhibition held in 2011. Here is a link to the article and some of the pictures: link I loove Freddie's words on the front window - "Let's face it darlings, we're the most preposterous band that's ever lived" Sooo Freddie! |
noorie 15.12.2017 17:34 |
Lee, just to see all your photographs in a book would be most awesome! And yours and Thor's anecdotes about each photograph would be the icing on the cake. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 17:39 |
Sorry all. I didn’t mean to start a riot about John Murphy. I mid understood how it was stated. Also what I meant by Jim took the photo in the back of the bus lounge, I meant he might have snapped the shot. I’ll be more careful. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 17:46 |
MIS understood how the comment was stated. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 17:55 |
Matt Z When Freddie mentioned art school it was in passing, as I reccall. As far as his work, we were never shown any. MAYBE Mary might have something, but maybe not. Perhaps she might have done kind of art show of the work Freddie purchased when before he died. When we were there in June of 91 a LARGE amount of items arrived, and were strewn around the large lounge. Freddie said it was worth 3 million pounds. Maybe he thought his own work should be kept private with all the items he was purchasing. So many questions that only Mary could answer. Too bad she has never written anything, has she? I did read one interview about here. Has anyone here ever met her? |
noorie 15.12.2017 17:59 |
Lee, a lot of Freddie's original art was displayed at the Stormtroopers in Stilettos Exhibition held in 2011. Here is a link to the article and some of the pictures: link |
thundergod 15.12.2017 18:18 |
OMG noorie, That is a wonderful site. I really didn't know that Freddie was so talented in art as well as music. Thanks |
c.jory 15.12.2017 18:21 |
Some of his drawings are in the Great Pretender picture book I think, in the covers, signed 'Fred Bulsara'. I could double check but can't be bothered to get the book which is just 3 feet away from me. I am too lazy. I think Freddie's mum was the owner of his college work - and now it must have been passed to his sister. They presented some on The One Show a few years ago. link |
thundergod 15.12.2017 18:22 |
Hi Dustin, I think when Lee said Jim may have taken the picture, he meant Jim may have "snapped" the picture on Lee's camera, not his own. |
c.jory 15.12.2017 18:23 |
Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: So many questions that only Mary could answer. Too bad she has never written anything, has she? I did read one interview about here. Has anyone here ever met her?The only thing Mary's done are interviews for The Daily Mail, OK Magazine, The Untold Story and The Mysterious Mr Mercury (radio). There are also snippets from David Wigg interviews in various biographies but unsourced. ALSO: I've seen her walking about, but not met her. That probably doesn't count though does it! |
thundergod 15.12.2017 18:27 |
Hey captainjory, I read your comments about everyone going for refreshments during the guitar solo and had to laugh. Poor Brian. |
c.jory 15.12.2017 18:33 |
It's as if as soon as people realised what was happening they were like 'time for a piss and some popcorn!' He was up on a platform for it so maybe he didn't see! Haha |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 18:37 |
HEY Noorie....ck ur pm....ty |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 18:41 |
Re: Brian I saw something on YouTube where his wife Anita says (I'm paraphrasing) when Brian is getting down w/his guitar....he's in Another World!" So Brian probably doesn't even notice (or care?)Lol |
noorie 15.12.2017 18:45 |
Check yours Blenkolove! :) |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 18:45 |
And Ditto on Noorie's book idea!! That's Exactly what I was picturing in my mind as well!!! I LOVE JUST LOOKING AT PICTURES OF FREDDIE!!!! I STUDY THEM, LOOK AT THEM OVER AND OVER....AND CAN'T EVER SEEM TO GET ENOUGH!!! |
thundergod 15.12.2017 18:51 |
That good Blenkolove because as I have always thought he was a very talented guitarist (ala Hendricks) and SUCH a nice and genuine person! I may change my mind if the new movie carpets over Freddie's true nature during 1976 until 1991. Brian and Roger are the final say about how the movie portrays Freddie. |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 18:54 |
Plus 'the daughter's' perspective is so fresh and AUTHENTIC!! The world Needs to know!!! I was hoping Mary would write a book......however i think much Less about her now that I know she never talked to Jer...or invited her to Freddie's house after Freddie's death!!!! That ALONE SPEAKS VOLUMES!!! Plus.....a book by DAVID WIGG would be AMAZING!! |
c.jory 15.12.2017 18:58 |
thundergod wrote: That good Blenkolove because as I have always thought he was a very talented guitarist (ala Hendricks) and SUCH a nice and genuine person! I may change my mind if the new movie carpets over Freddie's true nature during 1976 until 1991. Brian and Roger are the final say about how the movie portrays Freddie.I am worried about that too. It's definitely going to be a saint Mary film though, judging by things Brian said. Ah well, as long as it doesn't go down the route of the freaky docu-drama on Ch5 with Munich female threesomes, it's all good. I think a sanitized film might be boring. He sounded a lot of fun. |
c.jory 15.12.2017 19:00 |
Blenkolove wrote: Plus 'the daughter's' perspective is so fresh and AUTHENTIC!! The world Needs to know!!! I was hoping Mary would write a book......however i think much Less about her now that I know she never talked to Jer...or invited her to Freddie's house after Freddie's death!!!! That ALONE SPEAKS VOLUMES!!! Plus.....a book by DAVID WIGG would be AMAZING!!True RE Wigg - he is withholding things Freddie said from the public and it would be nice if he released them. He has recordings where Freddie was discussing his sexuality and the nature of his relationships with his female friends. I've HEARD them and yet they have now disappeared from the internet. The "uncut" tapes on YouTube ARE cut. I know he has them, so it would be interesting. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.12.2017 19:39 |
Ray the film........just throwing this out there. Has a new director been chosen, since Bryan Singer was ousted.......?.......and has the reason surface as to why he was an show? Something about a personal illness, that his people wouldn't talk bout. Has there been an update? |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 19:40 |
OH REALLY???? I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IT ALL...ESPECIALLY NOW!! Hey....u all heard that the Director of Bo Rhap movie was fired ???? Bryan Singer I think....like 2 wks ago!!! THAT movie may Never see the light of day!!! |
c.jory 15.12.2017 19:42 |
Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: Ray the film........just throwing this out there. Has a new director been chosen, since Bryan Singer was ousted.......?.......and has the reason surface as to why he was an show? Something about a personal illness, that his people wouldn't talk bout. Has there been an update?Apparently it's Dexter Fletcher now... Since the sacking, news sites were flooded with the allegations levelled at Singer...!! So it makes you wonder if it has something to do with it... |
Blenkolove 15.12.2017 19:46 |
It's time 'they' let it All out of the vault!!!! Freddie's stored music, interviews...ALL OF IT!!! REMEMBER what Fred himself said......he didn't care...AS LONG AS HE WAS NEVER PORTRAYED AS BORING....AND BOY...THAT'S ONE THING HE'LL NEVER BE! :) |
Shvili 15.12.2017 23:47 |
Where is Joe Dare now? This is so genuine... just raw feelings. link Let me guess...... You Know Nothing About It. lol get the fuck out of here with your bullshit. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 01:58 |
Really Shvili, Could you sober up before you write. You seem to be one of those nasty kind of drunks. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 02:03 |
Person number two...ignore and isolate. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 02:05 |
It actually matters in the end! |
YAWN 16.12.2017 02:08 |
Thor check your PM |
thundergod 16.12.2017 02:16 |
I did Thank You |
Dean_ 16.12.2017 02:30 |
Thank you kindly for the great amounts of stories and insight on all things Mercury! I wish you both a wonderful christmas and new year when it comes. Live Aid was a defining moment in Queen's career and in the world of music. Most people I talk to, remember where they were the day of that massive event. I've not actually seen the American release, and if I recall correctly there was maybe interviews that cut into Queen's performance, but do you guys, Thor and Lee, remember where you both were on that particular day and were you aware that Queen were going to be playing? Regarding America, would it mostly be when Queen were on tour that Freddie would be able to hang out with you guys? Did he ever come over spontaneously/when he had time off? What was your personal opinion on Queen's music Thor? Thank you once again guys! All the best. |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 02:33 |
Ok.....HERE'S a change of topic.....i've been asking All my patients this and the answers are very interesting! Does Thor or Lee know if Freddie had a Favorite Christmas movie????? It's well documented Fred Cherished Christmas!! My ALL Time Fave is A Christmas Story!!!! 'I TRIPLE DOG DARE YA!!HEHEHE |
Katydyd5 16.12.2017 02:41 |
Thor and Lee, I've been curious about something, and though I think I may know the answer I'm going to ask anyway. When you were at Queen concerts where he was in full Freddie Mercury mode, did you ever have even a moment of being star struck? Maybe looking from afar and thinking, "My God, I'm that Freddie Mercury's friend!!!" I know that the fact that you treated him as Fred the musician, one of the guys, is what made your friendship special, but I wonder if who he was kind of snuck up on you at times. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 02:53 |
Welcome Dean, When that concert happened, I use to work 3pm to 1130pm. I'm not even sure if it was carried live in the US. I had to catch up with news reports on TV and after, video clips on the internet. Freddie did not invite us for this performance. We would have to wait for the Magic concerts at Wembley which we WERE invited to. Freddie would never just show up, although I wouldn't have minded it, and he would arrange everything over the phone. He liked my apartment in the West Village because of my having a large patio on the first floor and nicely done landscaping, as well as proximity to some of the most popular bars and restaurants. He loved it. My experience with Queen music was hearing "Killer Queen" on my car radio while driving to a Medical School interview in Virginia.I liked what I heard and then upon hearing Bohemian Rhapsody my mind was blown! Early Queen was not my thing besides these two songs but after meeting Freddie and going to my first concert in Philadelphia, I could not get enough of Queen music. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 03:00 |
Hey Katydyd, I was star struck for the first concert. After Freddie became a friend I admired his accomplishments as a friend would, not as a star. Freddie was so happy to meet people who were NOT star struck by him but became close to him because of him, not because of his star power. |
Shvili 16.12.2017 03:01 |
Hahahahahahaha.....ha you guys are too cute. carry on. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 03:06 |
Hi Blenkolove, I do not remember Freddie having a favorite Christmas movie. Mine is "A Christmas Carol" the 1951 version with Alistair Simms, Hermione Badeley and Kathleen Harrison...classic (I have no attachment to any other version, even the 1930s one or any of the new versions). |
Iron Butterfly 16.12.2017 03:25 |
thundergod wrote: Hey Katydyd, I was star struck for the first concert. After Freddie became a friend I admired his accomplishments as a friend would, not as a star. Freddie was so happy to meet people who were NOT star struck by him but became close to him because of him, not because of his star power.That's truly amazing :-). |
thundergod 16.12.2017 03:26 |
Thank you Bullet |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 03:30 |
Thanks Thor......i will have to watch That one!! I've seen the George C Scott one and thought that was the original??? It's ok......can't stand the Bill Murray version. For a good pull on the heartstings...It"s a Wonderful Life ROCKS!!.......Lee??? |
thundergod 16.12.2017 03:35 |
Blenkolove, Lee is working until 10pm PDT. I don't know if he will get online after work. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 03:38 |
link Blenkolove...this should help you. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 03:40 |
Blenkolove, let me know if you watch it and what you think. |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 03:43 |
I ADORE HERMIONE BADDELEY!!! Amazing, First Class Character Actress!!! Great Tastes Thor!!! |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 03:48 |
I Will watch it and let u know!! THANKS FOR LINK<3 |
thundergod 16.12.2017 03:48 |
Blenkolove, You must watch it then...she is fantastic and Alistair Sim is perfect for this roll. Kathleen Harrison is incredible! |
stevendabudgie 16.12.2017 04:10 |
Dear Lee, dear Thor, speaking of movies: In "Bicycle Race" there are the lines: "Jaws was never my scene And I don't like Star Wars" Do you now whether Freddie really disliked Jaws and Star Wars? |
thundergod 16.12.2017 05:33 |
Sorry stevendabudgie, I have no idea. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 05:37 |
Hey Thor. Did we ever go to the movies with Mother? |
thundergod 16.12.2017 05:42 |
I don't think so. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 05:43 |
Glad you are here Lee! |
thundergod 16.12.2017 05:46 |
I must tell our funny story when we got in line for "ET the extra terrestrial" The lady behind us said, "this used to be considered science fiction... man has walked on the moon...this is now science FACT!" |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 05:46 |
Hey you. Not to bring up s repeat story, or maybe I am......watching “The Women” on TV? That would be a flash back I would kill for. LOL |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 06:04 |
Blenkolove Fave holiday movie “The gift of Love. A Christmas Story. 1998 made for TV movie with Polly Holiday Miss “Kiss my grits” from the Alice show. Angela Lansbury and Lee Remick Star. Dunno why. Live that film. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 06:04 |
I meant LOVE that film. |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 06:12 |
Back to the Live Aid topic.....Honestly I can't remember sitting down to watch it. I think I clicked back and forth to it....vaguely remember some of the acts....But for some reason I DO remember the hoopla and ALL THESE fantastic musicians gathering together for "Do They Know It's Christmas" It's STILL one of my favorite Christmas songs. I am deeply sorry Queen/ Freddie wasn't included!! However....i do remember EXACTLY where I was and what I was doing the minute I heard Rock Hudson died of AIDS!!!!!!!! Weird huh?? |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 06:15 |
Gosh....i feel like I must live under a rock!! Never heard of that one either!!! THANKS Lee....i'll add it to my list!!!<3 |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 06:18 |
Sounds like there might be a story behind "The Women" movie????? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 07:10 |
I love the way Thor tells that story. Thor, you’re on. I’ll give it a try if you don’t want to. |
YAWN 16.12.2017 07:11 |
Freddie LOVED that movie, apparently. The first time I saw it, I was staying over at my friend David's house the night before he married his partner John Michael. I said "That movie looks old. Why tf are we watching an old movie instead of tossing dollar bills at a stripper named Big Boy?" He sat me down and showed me the cult classic. It's hilarious. I can picture Freddie screaming with laughter watching it. Making Peter dress up like the countless Lol. We did end up a male strip club later that night btw. LOL. |
matt z 16.12.2017 07:38 |
Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: Blenkolove Fave holiday movie “The gift of Love. A Christmas Story. 1998 made for TV movie with Polly Holiday Miss “Kiss my grits” from the Alice show. Angela Lansbury and Lee Remick Star. Dunno why. Live that film.Probably because of the LEE involved... ;-) (kiddin).. But man... Lee Remick... what a hot one... seen her in A FACE IN THE CROWD the other day on the big screen.... ::sizzle:: However.... Patricia Neal steals the show..even from Andy Griffith's thunderous performance (yes, Andy Griffith....Mayberry itself..he's a disreputable wild man if there ever was one in this film)... she grounds it all.. EIther way... thank you Noorie for the link... I'd always suspected that STORMTROOPERS IN STILLETTOS event was "under wraps" and tight security, cause I never found (when it happened) any posts of the photography online. Maybe one day soon it'll get a US exhibition. I'd love to see Freddie's artwork in person. Thank you, Lee for answering my inquiry. Sounds pretty amazing... I guess when you've got the dough that sort of collecting becomes a good hobby. (collecting). I HAVENT really...but I have my own collection of "stuffs" In a sense, the world is so much greater for his having passed on the art and design bit...and gone into music. You can hear in the early years (IBEX and SOUR MILK SEA recordings that came to light)...that he wasn't the refined vocalist that he became...it's very clear that the guy put in some hard work. Gotta admire that desire and direction. He recreated himself into that powerful persona onstage. sorry for the length, but Lee, you mentioned Freddie's art collection....it sounds like it was continually expanding. Beauty needs appreciation. Did Freddie have any sort of Hollywood/Film Memorabilia? I know I'd asked Thor already. Just wondering. BTW: I plan on seeing that screening of THE WOMEN when it hits hollyweird in January. I was almost a fan of Paulette Goddard via Charlie Chaplin...until I watched some of her other flicks. Crawford goes without question whether stealing the scenes or desperately trying to upstage others she'd always been a devoted actress. Lucille, one of the most gifted comedic females, gorgeous as well. I'm going to look for "The Gift of Love: a Christmas Story".... I love sappy stuff if it rings true. So much happens in life that we can all cherish. As an "agnostic" I don't practice any of these "holy days" but I understand the significance of reflection at the end of the year/seasons. Many thanks for your reflections and generosity in sharing these parts of your lives. Thanks gents |
FlashElephant 16.12.2017 13:25 |
This won't be popular, but I'm going to say it. Propably I'll be a homophobe, hater or another trendy nickname but I'm still going to say it. When the first Thor-thread was created it was incredible. It had something special and all the stories were intresting and you would always look forward to the new posts. Now, some months later it's more or less just a dumpster fire. If you remember that old YouTube-comment about lapdogs etc. Well, now it's more or less reality. I don't know what the "New York Daughters" were all about. Maybe when someone didn't agree with them or happened to have a different opinion the Daughters would turn into bitches who would talk you down and become very negative towards you. This thread gives me that vibe. The Daughters actually seem like a unfunny and conservative group. Hard to belive this guys were hunting for arseholes back in the day. That story about someone's cousin and Freddie was propably one the dumbest thing ever written here and almost everyone is believing that? And those who don't are instantly criticized. It's easy to guess what the reaction will be. I will be the biggest arse hole and disrespectful cunt for writing this. But that's all right. Just keeping it real. |
FlashElephant 16.12.2017 13:31 |
Not able to edit my post, but I meant the story about someone's uncle. Then again, it could have also been his cousin, aunt or grandpa. |
Katydyd5 16.12.2017 13:56 |
thundergod wrote: Blenkolove, Lee is working until 10pm PDT. I don't know if he will get online after work.OK, I'm waaaaay into Lee's personal business here so feel free to ignore me, but I'm curious as to what he does for a living. His late night ending time leaves me curious. I was so interested when he shared his early efforts to make it onto Broadway, so I wonder where he eventually landed. I apologize in advance if you've already answered this. |
Rainbow61 16.12.2017 16:37 |
Thor, I remember you telling a story about Freddie flying a friend of yours from Houston for the weekend during a time when there was a paralyzing snow storm in NYC. You were all invited to Freddie's place and you concluded the story with "All went out in the snow to have some winter fun" . So Thor and Lee....what was the "winter fun"? Snowball fights? LOL It didn't seem like Freddie was a fan of cold weather...do you recall anything he said about winter...snow? Did he appreciate the beauty of winter during a snowstorm? Watching it storm from the vantage of his high rise apartment and seeing snowflakes illuminated by the city lights must have been glorious! |
thundergod 16.12.2017 16:38 |
Hey Katydyd, Lee used to be the manager of catering for Dreamworks (Spielberg, Katzenberg, Geffen). He resigned from that job in LA and moved to Palm Springs. He is now the manager of the evening shift of a major, nationwide supermarket. He is well loved at his job because of his natural skills, friendliness and interest in his customers. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 16:47 |
Hi Rainbow, HaHa, you caught me. I said "all", but it really should have read "all except Freddie and Phoebe." Yes, Freddie hated the cold, but loved the view of the city from the windows of his warm apartment.. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 16:55 |
Flash Elephant, So sorry you do not like the new thread.But Lee and I like it a lot. |
Rainbow61 16.12.2017 16:57 |
Thanks Thor...although I was hoping you had some great story about Freddie making snowballs and playfully pelting you guys in the back. LOL. |
Katydyd5 16.12.2017 17:35 |
thundergod wrote: Hey Katydyd, Lee used to be the manager of catering for Dreamworks (Spielberg, Katzenberg, Geffen). He resigned from that job in LA and moved to Palm Springs. He is now the manager of the evening shift of a major, nationwide supermarket. He is well loved at his job because of his natural skills, friendliness and interest in his customers.Oh I'll bet that DreamWorks job was fascinating. I can imagine how well loved he is at the job now. He's got a great sense of humor and I suspect he can be fun on the job. Thanks for answering. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 17:38 |
Katydyd, Hopefully Lee can fill in more for you about Dreamworks. |
Blenkolove 16.12.2017 17:47 |
You know who Else could write a great book?? Jim Beach!! Or even JOHN Reid???? Still wrestling w the Mary angle........I get that she was his first Love, I get the mutual 'use of each other , Jim claims Guilt is what motivated Freddie"s Loyalty....But her demeanor post Freddie is most baffling!! Lee....any thoughts you'd like to share???? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 20:16 |
Morning All. Gonna try and catch up. The questions that were directed at the both of us? I agree with Thor. The first time I saw Queen I was like OMG. I hadn't seen a rock group since college days in the early 70's. The production values were ten fold by the 80's. After knowing Freddie before the concert, I was thrilled t see my friend up there making magic happen for thousands of people. I think my first concert was at the Arena in the Meadowlands outside NYC. The four of us traveled with Phoebe and Freddie in a limo. As we were were pulling in the back stage door garage, people were screaming "Freddie, Freddie, Freddie" as they were peering through windows, trying to decided which mustached person behind the darkened windows was Freddie. As we stepped out of the car, Freddie turned to me and said "Kathleen, Kathleen, Kathleen". Such fun. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 21:15 |
RE: The Queen Movie coming out 12/18, Dexter Fletcher is taking over the director's job, but alledgedly there is only a couple of more weeks of filming left. Has anyone googled the cast on IDMB.Com? There are some random individuals form the New York days listed, which makes it appear like they are summing up those few years with a couple of characters. It WILL be interesting to see what they do with the Mary character. A couple of you have asked my opinion about her. I found here to be quite aloof. Not rude or unpleasant in any way, and I didn't feel like she was avoiding us, but..........it wasn't the connection that we had with Joe and Phoebe. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 21:23 |
I don't remember the AIDS concert being shown in the states. Sounds like it would have been, right? A lot of it was staged during the daylight hours which means that it would have been morning here. Maybe not as popular a time to show it? Maybe they showed it in the evening at a later date? There was an American concert as well, as you know, and I remember that it WAS a big deal that Phil Collins was going to perform in London and one of the US venues. It was Phil Collins, right? I just read that the concert was viewed in 110 nations. I was working evenings as well, and VCR madness hadn't really happened in my world yet. |
thundergod 16.12.2017 21:28 |
Oops Lee, Live Aid (for starving people in the world), not AIDS concert. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 21:31 |
Blenkolove wrote Sounds like there might be a story behind "The Women" movie????? There is a fun story. Seeing Freddie really, laugh at something, or truly enjoy something common place was always refreshing. He LOVED that movie. It isn't hysterical in its entirety, and there is some drawn out exposition that is needed for the story, but when it is funny, it is VERY funny. Freddie would quote lines from it, and hit repeat to show us a scene again. This is gonna sound corny, but not every home had a VCR in the early 80's so it was a treat to have one to enjoy. There is a short version and a long version. There's a fun treat in the long version that George Cukor stuck in that is different. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 21:37 |
Rainbow61 Unfortunately our English Friends didn't fancy a romp in the snow.....LOL..... We did though. It was a HUGE storm, and the snow banks fro the plows made it impossible to cross the street. You literally had to climb up one somehow, and then find a way to get down the other side. New Yorkers REALLY got together, I recall, to make it a special day. Everyone was helping each other, and thrilled to have an adult snow day. People were spray painting little scenes on the side of the huge snowbanks. I MUST dig those photos out. The fact that we were able to get from Greenwich Village by subway made it easy for us to get to the Sovereign. That was the name of the Co Op building where Freddie lived. Actually, I don't remember if his place was a Cop Op OR a Condo. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 21:48 |
I'm flattered to have been asked about working at DreamWorks. After being a singing waiter for years.....(we would do four to five 45 minute shows a night, WHILE waiting tables). It was crazy but it was a money maker. I bring it up because that is how I got to know the restaurant business inside and out. Not having to perform AND wait tables made a waitering job a breeze in comparison, and let me have my free time, when needed to skip out of town for a break, and/or play with my friends. Thor and I use to go somewhere every 6 to 8 weeks, to get out of town. We finally decided to "get out of town" and moved to California. I told everyone, including myself that I was only going for six months. That was 1984. Other than a couple of years living in Provincetown MA., to get it out of my system, I am still in sunny California......but I'm digressing. More and more restaurant work lead to my fine dining stint at the best restaurant in San Diego, at the time, and later to my "Catering Career". DreamWorks was amazing. I was the Food and Beverage Director in charge of all things food. That involved 12,000 meals a week for the employees, and 26 Coffee Kitchens. YIKES. It was always fun to Cater to the stars, and I often wished that Freddie would have been able to come and visit. From Bradgelina to Jerry Seinfeld, they came and went, and everyone was great and appreciative. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 16.12.2017 21:50 |
SOOOOOOOO I guess I don't need another cup of coffee. LOL......I'll try harder to keep up with posts as they come in, instead of taking the thread prisoner when I'm not working. I got on a roll there. |
Rainbow61 16.12.2017 23:17 |
Lee, Freddie had such a great sense of humor... I can just hear him saying "Kathleen, Kathleen, Kathleen" with a big grin on his face! Such interesting stories...by the way, I love it when you get on a roll! You are still working, so however and whenever you choose to answer these questions is greatly appreciated. What kind of songs did you do as a singing waiter? Whew...Sounds challenging to both sing and wait tables. So if we look carefully at the credits rolling at the end of certain movies, might we possibly see your name roll by? :) |
Rainbow61 16.12.2017 23:30 |
Thor and Lee, Over the past few months as the two of you have discussed this thread, did you ever discover you had very different points of view or recollections about certain events? If so, do you care to share? Would you say you both spent roughly an equal amount of time with Freddie, or did career requirements or differences in schedules mean one of you was available more often than the other? Thanks again to you both for this delightful "conversation" you have allowed all of us to participate in. Everyday I look forward to new tidbits of info nestled in the truly remarkable experiences you both have shared with us... and for that I feel truly grateful! |
Kismet 16.12.2017 23:54 |
was freddie really as "well endowed" as people made out on "Freddie's Loves"? or is it a case of blowing it out of all proportion cuz he was a celebrity? both thor and phoebe freestone said it so I don't feel too ashamed about asking. |
c.jory 17.12.2017 00:00 |
Blenkolove wrote: You know who Else could write a great book?? Jim Beach!! Or even JOHN Reid???? Still wrestling w the Mary angle........I get that she was his first Love, I get the mutual 'use of each other , Jim claims Guilt is what motivated Freddie"s Loyalty....But her demeanor post Freddie is most baffling!! Lee....any thoughts you'd like to share????He'd definitely loved others before her! But yeah I agree with the fact they were mutually beneficial to each other...it's not the slushy love story portrayed in certain books and documentaries. You don't have to know them personally to work this out. |
noorie 17.12.2017 00:03 |
Lee, I would love to go to a restaurant with singing wait-staff. But so far, the only thing even close to that has been at The Hard Rock Cafe, where every hour, all the staff climbed on top of the bar and sang YMCA!!!! It was such a hoot, and everybody joined in and started clapping and dancing! One question - when you took care of the catering, did any of the stars you met mention Freddie at all? Any interesting comments? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 00:10 |
Hi Rainbow We mostly performed show music....we would do all the hits from popular Broadway shows that were crowd pleasers. We also did a 30's show of standards, a 60's music review, etc: but the biggest hit was always the 50's show, 'cause we would get dressed up. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 00:13 |
Captainjory makes a good point. I got the impression that Freddie and Mary were soul mates. They connected in a way that few do. As I mentioned in Freddie's Loves, Jim was the closest we ever saw to someone coming into Freddie's life, and becoming as special to him, as Mary was. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 00:13 |
Captainjory makes a good point. I got the impression that Freddie and Mary were soul mates. They connected in a way that few do. As I mentioned in Freddie's Loves, Jim was the closest we ever saw to someone coming into Freddie's life, and becoming as special to him, as Mary was. |
matt z 17.12.2017 00:14 |
noorie wrote: Lee, I would love to go to a restaurant with singing wait-staff. But so far, the only thing even close to that has been at The Hard Rock Cafe, where every hour, all the staff climbed on top of the bar and sang YMCA!!!! It was such a hoot, and everybody joined in and started clapping and dancing! One question - when you took care of the catering, did any of the stars you met mention Freddie at all? Any interesting comments?HARD ROCK cafe? YMCA? that sounds horrifying. Not even close to the genre. But hey. ...money money money. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 00:18 |
Jumping back a bit to Rainbow61 question. It was funny the catering department were NEVER mentioned in any of the credits. In Animated features EVERYONE is given a credit, who worked at the studio, whether or not they even came close to working on the film. I worked on over 20 films........definitely most of DreamWorks' repertoire, and though I had a fan base, my name never appeared. Never spoke to any of the "talent" about Freddie, but there sure was an audience for my Freddie experiences.........for sure. I worked with close to 2,000 people. That meant a LOT of fans. I'm off to my only Holiday Party for the season.......Its got an early start. More Later, of course. |
Katydyd5 17.12.2017 00:18 |
Thanks for sharing about DreamWorks. I think I would be star struck in that situation, but I guess you would get used to it. Lee, would you consider yourself a foodie? Do you cook? Was the singing waiter stint in Provincetown? I've been there twice for the ever famous whale watch tours, and I found the town charming. I remember one great independent book store with a really nice selection.. Obviously you must prefer the West Coast, but as an original East Coast inhabitant, now in the Midwest, I like the pace and progressive feel to the East. I've been to CA, and enjoyed it, but not sure I'd want to live there. Then again, right after my divorce, I wanted to skip town and open a shop in Mendocino, so who knows. I digress. Live Aid was so long ago, but I seem to remember it being live, switching back and forth from the US to Britain. Didn't Freddie choose the time they were to be on stage specifically so that it would be shown in t he US too? I introduced myself on Thor's original thread by saying the Live Aid performance woke me up to Queen. Of course I knew who they were, but seeing Freddie power on to that stage and own it was incredible. I still watch the YouTube video of the performance on a regular basis. The Kathleen, Kathleen, Kathleen story is cute. I love a good sense of humor! |
noorie 17.12.2017 00:42 |
matt z wrote: HARD ROCK cafe? YMCA? that sounds horrifying. Not even close to the genre. But hey. ...money money money.I know!!!! That's why it was so hilarious, and oddly a lot of fun! Perhaps it was meant to be ironic..? |
SinkingIsland 17.12.2017 00:50 |
Lee and Thor... What do you recall about the New York condo? I am curious about square footage and number of beds / baths, but would like to hear about anything prominent in your mind. Thor mentioned the presence of flowers previously. Do you recall any other decor tidbits? I also think Thor said everyone went to their respective homes after partying (not positive about that), but wonder if there was ever the occasional crash at Freddie's place. Thanks again for being here. I really appreciate everyone here who is kind and peaceful. |
BETA215 17.12.2017 01:15 |
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c.jory 17.12.2017 01:31 |
Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: Captainjory makes a good point. I got the impression that Freddie and Mary were soul mates. They connected in a way that few do. As I mentioned in Freddie's Loves, Jim was the closest we ever saw to someone coming into Freddie's life, and becoming as special to him, as Mary was.At least with Freddie and Jim there didn't seem to be the guilt thing going on. Phoebe heavily implies Freddie was constantly compensating Mary out of guilt and that was the basis of their long friendship. He basically said it wasn't healthy lol |
thundergod 17.12.2017 01:31 |
Well isn't THAT special. Ignore and isolate. |
thundergod 17.12.2017 01:33 |
Not you captainjory |
c.jory 17.12.2017 01:36 |
Thor, the vid above is quite amusing, whatever the poster meant by it - it's Freddie singing in his house and the title is just what he was singing! Click bait I guess! |
YAWN 17.12.2017 01:40 |
Yes it's Freddie singing exactly what the title says but TRUST ME the first time I saw that title on YouTube I was pissed too lol. But it's just Freddie joking around. I bet the sounds of his laugh in that video bring back some memories for y'all |
thundergod 17.12.2017 01:48 |
Oops, I guess I jumped the gun, I don't like to see the word "fag", sorry. |
YAWN 17.12.2017 01:51 |
Me either. My friends always joke around and ask if it's ok if they use the word, and I always say no. I know they don't mean anything by it, but it's still offensive to me. |
thundergod 17.12.2017 01:54 |
Thank you Villiers...I agree. |
thundergod 17.12.2017 01:57 |
Even in gay liberal New York, Fag was still occasionally yelled from passing cars. I HATED that! |
Blenkolove 17.12.2017 02:16 |
Lee and Thor.....(for Lee when he returns from party) Speaking of starstruck......do u remember if Freddie was ever starstruck....and if so..by who?? Or could u think of anyone who might possibly have made him feel that way?? And contrary to a Previous post....i think this thread is amazing!!! THANK you both for sharing!! Xoxo |
Katydyd5 17.12.2017 02:25 |
Actually that tape above is quite a bit longer in its entirety. It's Freddie, Mike Moran, Straker and a few others at Freddie's house. The first part of the tape is snippets from one show tune after another. I like when they get going on Summertime from Porgy and Bess. They seem to be challenging and trying to top each other with each song. I've only heard it once or twice because it does go on and on, but it is kind of fun. Lots of laughter. As for the word fag, I find it completely offensive, but could it be one of those instances where they can say it, but nobody else had better? |
thundergod 17.12.2017 02:50 |
I hate the "F" word as much as women hate the "C" word. If I took it out of context...oh well. |
Blenkolove 17.12.2017 02:52 |
It's funny......but I started re-reading Phoebe's first book today in a hot salt bath (my therapy) and it's reading sooooo different to me this time because Thor and Lee have such respect and kind words for Phoebe, I'm experiencing it in a Totally new light!!!!!! When I first read it a few months ago....i wasn't sure of Phoebe's m.o.......and seeing him in interviews he comes across as almost too Nice.....if ya get my drift. But these forums have cleared my vision and enhanced my perspective!! TY Also...Phoebe's book has many picture of NY daughters that i look at completely differently now....it's nice to be able to put a Person to the faces I'm seeing!! It's almost like I know you Both!!! |
thundergod 17.12.2017 02:55 |
Thank you Blenkolove, Much appreciated. A person could have no better friend than Peter Freestone. Freddie was quite lucky. |
Blenkolove 17.12.2017 03:20 |
No, THANK YOU!!!! I Think you Both have done a great service by clearing up so very many misconceptions that have apparently circulated for too many years!!!! As I've stated before.....it's almost like the more I read about Freddie....the More questions I had. But reading All your stories and accounts....i feel assured that the Freddie I saw intuitively IS the Freddie that existed.....And that feels right!!! |
YAWN 17.12.2017 03:24 |
Peter said the only 2 celebs Freddie was ever nervous about meeting were montserrat and Prince. He couldn't sit still waiting her to arrive the first time they met bc he admired her voice so much. And with Prince, he never met him because he was too nervous. According to Peter, once while Los Angeles or NY (forget which) Freddie found himself in the same parking lot as Prince. He spotted him and Peter suggested he go over and say hello. Freddie said no because he didn't know if Prince would even know who he was! Can you imagine! And after doing some research, turns out Prince DID enjoy Queens early work and probably would have enjoyed meeting freddie. According to Peter, freddie had a vhs tape of a Prince concert that they got VERY sick of hearing because freddie would play it on repeat for hours. Rewinding back to his favorite parts and making friends watch it over and over with him lol. Apparently he felt that he and Prince were similar in some things. I can't blame him for being a fan, as I myself think the world of Prince. After looking into him, how could I not be impressed- the man mastered every instrument he put his hand on just to spite his father (a musician who told him he wouldn't amount to much). That's my kind of petty! Lmao |
YAWN 17.12.2017 03:26 |
That was for whoever it was that asked if Freddie was ever starstruck with other celebs^ Sorry, I forgot who asked! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 03:29 |
Sinkingisland RE: freddie's Condo We were there many times.......the walls of the dining room and living room were lined with a taupe silk fabric. It came that way. Freddie's room was yellow.......the TV Media room was grey, I think. Thor? The chandeler in the dining room was VERY modern with column like crystal spikes about ten inches long hanging form it........if you unhooked one of the columns, and stick it in the flowers beneath, it was reminiscent of the scene from the Christopher Reeves Superman, where he did something like that with similar crystals at his home base. My memory is vague on the Superman scene, but Frediie got a kick out of me playing with the chandelier, on more than one occasion. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 03:33 |
GOD I hate the "F" word. I grew up being called it, and it sucked. It is now like the "N: word, and the "C" word as Thor mentioned. Some think.........and I'm saying some..........think that gay people can say the "F" word, black people can say "N" the word, and women can say the "C" word. I don't care who says it, it doesn't sit well with me..........just makes me remember how ignorant the world still is in regards to different lifestyles. Not everyone of course, but there is still those out there that will never get it. They don't have a clue, and just won't be swayed. |
Blenkolove 17.12.2017 03:34 |
I Love Freddie!!! ALWAYS HAVE!! Nothing I have ever read.or heard could change my mind!! I just didn't truly Appreciate his Musical GENIUS until I started my research!! I've mentioned my Freddie undertaking to a few of my close patients and friends....some bite, some don't ......but I always get a word in about what a Flippin' GENIUS he was musically, visually and even business wise!!! And then to combine that passion and talent with such a quick wit!!! What's Not To Love?????? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 03:34 |
P.S. Sinking Island I recently found a blue print of Freddie's place at the Sovereign on line. It is an exact replica of how the place was laid out. It was fun finding it, |
Shvili 17.12.2017 03:37 |
I sincerely apologize if i have offended anyone. These are my Georgians link |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.12.2017 03:40 |
Thor and I truly agree on many things when it comes to Freddie stories.........we might feed each other's memory by adding a specific date, time, or incident, but we pretty much match on all our stories...........I'm lucky that I have the photos to help me remember. Thor and I are gonna breeze through the photos next week when he is in the desert, but he has a better memory than he gives himself credit for...........I gotta say, Thor borders on brilliant.......no I take that back........he IS brilliant, and has a powerful grasp on all things kind and right. We REALLY agree on politics, but we decided to not talk about that stuff here, and I am SOOOO glad that rule was set. LOL |
YAWN 17.12.2017 04:01 |
Mhmmm. Thor knows I agree with him on that. He got a kick out of me getting handcuffed (no charges were pressed) at a rally against our latest Prez (lets just say im not a fan of his) AND THATS I'LL IM GONNA SAY ABOUT IT, I SWEAR, I SWEEEAR. lol Lee, I know DreamWorks isn't Disney or Pixar but I was wondering if you enjoyed the movies these companies make? Disney and Pixar just came out with the movie Coco, and after seeing it tonight I cried like a baby! The music was brilliant and message was so sweet. If any of you enjoy Disney at all and beautiful artwork, GO SEE IT!.....did I mention I cried?? Lol. I'm absolutely amazed at the animations they're able to make now. Freddie was into graphic design in college and as you know, that could lead to animation. Having seen photos of his artwork, I can't help but wonder what kind of great animations he might have come up with if given the chance. |
Rainbow61 17.12.2017 04:04 |
Thor and Lee, I agree with you about the name calling. All those words are extremely offensive. In fact, any word said with derision is offensive. That is why when people talk about Barbara Valentin and call her "Fat Cow" I cringe. If they find fault with her conduct or words in regards to Freddie, that's fair game. But how many women on this thread are Rubenesque or zoftig themselves? Are they "Fat Cows" too if they are built just like Barbara? I know that example does have the horrible historical significance of the the "F" or "N" words... but those types of comments do cause a lot of pain. As a former teacher, I can attest how much name calling hurts... One of the best things we can teach our children is tolerance. |
YAWN 17.12.2017 04:09 |
Sorry but I have to say it: those that call Barbara a fat cow call her that because it's what Freddie called her. He called her a whale too. Lol doesn't make it right but hey...it also wasn't right for her to make false claims about him trying to kill her either. Freddie was no abuser :) But the less said about her the better, imo. Sorry, I had to lol |
Dustin Zimmerman 17.12.2017 04:14 |
Pffffffft no way. Barbara WAS a fat cow. Call her what she was. A lying cow who happened to be fat. If she can call Freddie an insane woman killer who fell into psychotic traces, she can be called a fat cow. At least fat cow is accurate for her. That's more than can be said for the crap she called Freddie. |
Dustin Zimmerman 17.12.2017 04:16 |
I have friends who are heavy and built like her physically and I would never call them that. But then again they didn't try to claim that someone slammed their head into a sink tried to crack their skull or strangle them not their sleep. Barbara did so uh....No I'm not ever sorry for calling her a fat cow. |
YAWN 17.12.2017 04:18 |
So ANYWAYS, about DreamWorks, Lee?..lol. |
YAWN 17.12.2017 04:25 |
Also my friend and I were just talking about this photo. Best guess is 82 or 83, but the shirt looks like the kind of stuff sold in the stalls around California's beaches. You guys wouldn't happen to know anything about this 'cocky b' would you? Lol. Perhaps it was the beach outing?? |
miraclesteinway 17.12.2017 08:40 |
I've just watched the "Freddie's Loves" documentary from 2004, to try and put faces to your names - Thor and Lee, you guys are cute! |
c.jory 17.12.2017 10:03 |
Barbara Valentin is the sole cause of all the gay erasure of Freddie, the constant debates over his sexuality and has contributed to homophobia in the fandom. She deserves these names. Queen's producer said she was nothing but a drug dealer who he wouldn't touch with a stick! As has been said, she accused him of violence and went to the press about all the threesomes she imagines she had with him. Because of that, she's fair game I think. People come on here calling Paul Prenter all sorts for going to the press but The Whale gets a free pass even though she's created hatred and tried to blacken Freddie's name. She has nothing but contempt from me. Her name didn't need to be thrown back into this thread. |
Rainbow61 17.12.2017 14:41 |
I am not defending the kind of person Barbara was as I clearly said her words and actions were fair game for criticism! I am all for exposing any lies or misconduct she engaged in as they pertain to Freddie. I accept your contempt for her. But if the logic is: Barbara has done terrible things...so it is okay to call her a whale, then it would have been okay to have called Andrew Cunanan a "F" on the news because he was clearly gay and a murderer. He was a bad gay, so the "F" word is warranted. As for the comment "Her name didn't need to be thrown back into this thread" ...my initial response only followed the general discussion that Thor and then Lee had over name calling they disliked, so my comment dovetailed specifically with that and happened to be connected to Barbara, which is a relevant topic. I was just stating how I felt and thought this was a place I could do that. However, this is an extremely long thread and fully admit I could have missed the list of "banned topics"! |
miraclesteinway 17.12.2017 14:58 |
To be honest, whatever kind of person Barbara was, she's dead. While that doesn't make her a saint and nor does it change the past, there's little point about feeling angry about it now. |
Sponge Caves 17.12.2017 14:59 |
Freddie called her a whale. But I suppose it's okay for him to call his so-called friend (at the time) a whale cos he's people's god. Notice how if Freddie says something nasty, it's okay...like he called Peter a Rubens painting and called some fans UGLY in the audience. And he called some Spanish fans 'a bunch of fucking tacos'. But oh it's Freddie, he's just JOKING, it's not conveniently not body shaming and anti-fattist when it comes from the mouth of the Moustache God. I hate when people try to police a forum. Especially a forum about a man whom multiple people describe as being extremely bitchy and acerbic. |
c.jory 17.12.2017 15:00 |
miraclesteinway wrote: To be honest, whatever kind of person Barbara was, she's dead. While that doesn't make her a saint and nor does it change the past, there's little point about feeling angry about it now.I know, but it's hard not to be when nearly every day, someone mentions her and it causes a huge fight so it feels kind of current. I left all Queen social media groups because I was tired of fans forcing the Barbara sex thing down people's throats. It's all over blogs too so new fans are coming along and starting fights over her. It's probably the only Freddie related topic in which people get threatening and abusive over. |
Kismet 17.12.2017 15:07 |
There is loadsa quotes of freddie being nasty to be honest darlings, lets not tell fans off and be sycophants to freddie when he was worse lolololol |
Blenkolove 17.12.2017 15:11 |
Hey Rainbow......dont feel bad cuz I missed Obviously missed the banned list too!!!!jk I like the prev response that said she was just a footnote!!! |
SinkingIsland 17.12.2017 17:22 |
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BETA215 17.12.2017 17:29 |
thundergod wrote: Oops, I guess I jumped the gun, I don't like to see the word "fag", sorry.Ooh, sorry. I just wanted to post something that I thought would be funny to you. At least, it makes me laugh :D |
thundergod 17.12.2017 18:18 |
Hey BETA215, This is my 136th page. When I saw the words "die fags" I assumed you were one of the haters we want to avoid on this thread.. People and yourself have made me see the light about this clip. I sincerely apologize and welcome you to the forum. |
Dustin Zimmerman 17.12.2017 18:23 |
Sponge Caves Captianjory and Kismet are right. The reason people call her that is because Freddie did and it's true. Don't want to be called ugly names? Don't accuse people of abuse and change their life story to benefit yourself after they die. She deserved to be called much worse. People go on and on about Paul Prenter daily in the fandom. She did the same thing that he did but worse. Much worse. Paul got death threats. If all she got was fans calling her a fat cow she got off easier than she should have. Fans addressing her by the name Freddie gave her is hardly worth getting hurt over. |
SmokyQuartz 17.12.2017 19:05 |
When I saw the 'f*ck off and die....' link, I laughed, but that's because I knew the context behind it...I too had forgotten what that must look like to someone who doesn't know it's Freddie's version of Que Sera, lol. Thor I totally understand your reaction to it. Actually, on a more serious note, I wonder if he was 'joking' about something pretty harsh that was actually going on....it was his way of getting it out of his system maybe, by creating a joke. My dad was Irish and when all the Irish jokes came out he laughed right along with everyone else, it's a defence. On the subject of people calling people fat and whales, etc, lol, I usually decide on the basis of the person's overall personality. If they are warm, caring, generally good people, then I might turn a blind eye, as long as no one is hurt. But if the person is nasty in other ways, not joking, not in the right context, etc, doing it too often, then it would be a red flag. It's certainly frowned upon much more now than it was back in the 80's. |
Sheldon 17.12.2017 19:20 |
Villiers wrote: Peter said the only 2 celebs Freddie was ever nervous about meeting were montserrat and Prince. He couldn't sit still waiting her to arrive the first time they met bc he admired her voice so much. And with Prince, he never met him because he was too nervous. According to Peter, once while Los Angeles or NY (forget which) Freddie found himself in the same parking lot as Prince. He spotted him and Peter suggested he go over and say hello. Freddie said no because he didn't know if Prince would even know who he was! Can you imagine! And after doing some research, turns out Prince DID enjoy Queens early work and probably would have enjoyed meeting freddie. According to Peter, freddie had a vhs tape of a Prince concert that they got VERY sick of hearing because freddie would play it on repeat for hours. Rewinding back to his favorite parts and making friends watch it over and over with him lol. Apparently he felt that he and Prince were similar in some things. I can't blame him for being a fan, as I myself think the world of Prince. After looking into him, how could I not be impressed- the man mastered every instrument he put his hand on just to spite his father (a musician who told him he wouldn't amount to much). That's my kind of petty! LmaoSorry to hijack the thread, but maybe Thor or Lee have any similar stories about themselves or Freddie. I'm always fascinated when I read stuff like this. I love Freddie's music more than any other music in the world, but I really really dislike Prince's music. Same thing with Queen/Hendrix and Queen/Foo Fighters. It's really mind blowing that a person who made music you love enjoyed music you hate and the other way around :D |
Blenkolove 17.12.2017 19:27 |
Hey Thor!! I just came to your introduction in Phoebe's book and it is SOOO cool to know your backstory to it!!! THAT one decision on ur part to go track down Freddie and attend that concert was responsible for impacting So many lives!!!!......once Again...TY!! for sharing your time and experiences<3 <3 |
c.jory 17.12.2017 19:38 |
Sheldon wrote:I think I get what you mean - I spent a day listening to the artists Queen cited as influences and most (not all) did nothing for me. And it's weird, I feel like, 'how could they make their own stuff because they were inspired by that shite?' Freddie was mad about Jimi Hendrix but he's only got one song I like.Villiers wrote: Peter said the only 2 celebs Freddie was ever nervous about meeting were montserrat and Prince. He couldn't sit still waiting her to arrive the first time they met bc he admired her voice so much. And with Prince, he never met him because he was too nervous. According to Peter, once while Los Angeles or NY (forget which) Freddie found himself in the same parking lot as Prince. He spotted him and Peter suggested he go over and say hello. Freddie said no because he didn't know if Prince would even know who he was! Can you imagine! And after doing some research, turns out Prince DID enjoy Queens early work and probably would have enjoyed meeting freddie. According to Peter, freddie had a vhs tape of a Prince concert that they got VERY sick of hearing because freddie would play it on repeat for hours. Rewinding back to his favorite parts and making friends watch it over and over with him lol. Apparently he felt that he and Prince were similar in some things. I can't blame him for being a fan, as I myself think the world of Prince. After looking into him, how could I not be impressed- the man mastered every instrument he put his hand on just to spite his father (a musician who told him he wouldn't amount to much). That's my kind of petty! LmaoSorry to hijack the thread, but maybe Thor or Lee have any similar stories about themselves or Freddie. I'm always fascinated when I read stuff like this. I love Freddie's music more than any other music in the world, but I really really dislike Prince's music. Same thing with Queen/Hendrix and Queen/Foo Fighters. It's really mind blowing that a person who made music you love enjoyed music you hate and the other way around :D Also when I was younger people listened to "the holy trinity of Emo bands" - Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco and My Chemical Romance. P!ATD, & MCR list Queen as their influence and Fall Out Boy don't, yet it's FOB I like - the other two don't appeal much at all. Odd that. |
SinkingIsland 17.12.2017 20:17 |
Thanks, Lee, for the reply. |
Sheldon 17.12.2017 20:25 |
captainjory wrote:Yes, this exactly!Sheldon wrote:I think I get what you mean - I spent a day listening to the artists Queen cited as influences and most (not all) did nothing for me. And it's weird, I feel like, 'how could they make their own stuff because they were inspired by that shite?' Freddie was mad about Jimi Hendrix but he's only got one song I like. Also when I was younger people listened to "the holy trinity of Emo bands" - Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco and My Chemical Romance. P!ATD, & MCR list Queen as their influence and Fall Out Boy don't, yet it's FOB I like - the other two don't appeal much at all. Odd that.Villiers wrote: Peter said the only 2 celebs Freddie was ever nervous about meeting were montserrat and Prince. He couldn't sit still waiting her to arrive the first time they met bc he admired her voice so much. And with Prince, he never met him because he was too nervous. According to Peter, once while Los Angeles or NY (forget which) Freddie found himself in the same parking lot as Prince. He spotted him and Peter suggested he go over and say hello. Freddie said no because he didn't know if Prince would even know who he was! Can you imagine! And after doing some research, turns out Prince DID enjoy Queens early work and probably would have enjoyed meeting freddie. According to Peter, freddie had a vhs tape of a Prince concert that they got VERY sick of hearing because freddie would play it on repeat for hours. Rewinding back to his favorite parts and making friends watch it over and over with him lol. Apparently he felt that he and Prince were similar in some things. I can't blame him for being a fan, as I myself think the world of Prince. After looking into him, how could I not be impressed- the man mastered every instrument he put his hand on just to spite his father (a musician who told him he wouldn't amount to much). That's my kind of petty! LmaoSorry to hijack the thread, but maybe Thor or Lee have any similar stories about themselves or Freddie. I'm always fascinated when I read stuff like this. I love Freddie's music more than any other music in the world, but I really really dislike Prince's music. Same thing with Queen/Hendrix and Queen/Foo Fighters. It's really mind blowing that a person who made music you love enjoyed music you hate and the other way around :D |
SinkingIsland 17.12.2017 20:26 |
Blenkolove... Totally agree! I, too, am re-reading Phoebe's first book. I only discovered, about two weeks ago, that he wrote a second book. I bought it immediately, but decided it best to re-read the first before starting the second. BTW... I am a dental person, too! :) |
Blenkolove 17.12.2017 22:29 |
Sinkingisland, Me too!!!! ;)...... I didn't Realize Phoebe had a Second book until I joined this forum!! Plus....i wasn't too sure about Phoebe Until I joined Thor's and Now Thor n Lee's forum....so I highly doubt I would have sought it out?????....But Maybe?? I'M Really diggin' this Book the 2nd Time Around!!! I looked up Phoebe's 2nd book on PRIME but it's only available from 3rd party seller.....i prefer to stay w /PRIME. I'm gonna check Phoebe"s blog next....i remember he had a store......just don't recall if his books were there!! It's SOOO cool ur in Dental too!! So do u find yourself lovin' Freddie's teeth.....and studying them When u find them in picts???? |
Mier 17.12.2017 23:52 |
Hello Thor and Lee! Lady from Holland is calling :) I have read al the pages from Thor's previous topic and this one as well. Wanted to join in at the 10th..but my shyness held me under the carpet :D Love all the stories that I read about Freddie. Thank you so much Thor and Lee and everyone who's joining here. Maybe my English will be rubbish here and there, but I hope I can make myself a bit understandable if I want to ask a question. So I have one burning under my fingertips... Can one of u tell me which brand shoes did Freddie wore back at these days? Did he always had sneakers on? Was he devoted to Adidas? mostly white sneakers? or other colours as well? I'm asking this because I love sneakers :D A big warm wave from overseas! |
Blenkolove 18.12.2017 03:43 |
So Lee....So Thor....you've expressed you're views on watching Freddie giving live performances.......But WHAT was it like to Actually be in the recording studio w/Fred while he was Creating??? What were ur impressions of Rheinhold Mack??? He comes across on interviews as such a Calm and grounded soul???? |
LOTV 18.12.2017 13:07 |
People, just a thought. Don't you think it's a bit rich getting all prissy about a great candid audio of Fred getting hammered and arsing about with his mates but also being adamant (correctly) that the film should not sanitise him? We all know he was no saint and like all of us he could do and say shitty things. Because he was flawed is one of the reasons he's such a hero of mine, because he was imperfect. He could be rude, foul mouthed, aggressive and bitchy. All of which could be very very funny. Let us not forget he jumped into a crowd and punched a photographer (topical offence at the moment) and was known for telling fans to fuck off upon occasion. Some on here are desperate to cast Mary as the villain yet clearly Freddie wasn't, neither did he ever portray himself as a victim. "Do what you want with me, but for God's sake don't make me boring" "Remember me how you fucking well want Dear, but not as boring". And yes I get the "f" word is deeply offensive. It's not the first time I've heard recordings of Fred using it. Btw as an aside John was at that gathering, he was mixing the drinks. Thor and Lee thanks for your continued contribution. |
Katydyd5 18.12.2017 14:12 |
LOTV wrote: People, just a thought. Don't you think it's a bit rich getting all prissy about a great candid audio of Fred getting hammered and arsing about with his mates but also being adamant (correctly) that the film should not sanitise him? We all know he was no saint and like all of us he could do and say shitty things. Because he was flawed is one of the reasons he's such a hero of mine, because he was imperfect. He could be rude, foul mouthed, aggressive and bitchy. All of which could be very very funny. Let us not forget he jumped into a crowd and punched a photographer (topical offence at the moment) and was known for telling fans to fuck off upon occasion. Some on here are desperate to cast Mary as the villain yet clearly Freddie wasn't, neither did he ever portray himself as a victim. "Do what you want with me, but for God's sake don't make me boring" "Remember me how you fucking well want Dear, but not as boring". And yes I get the "f" word is deeply offensive. It's not the first time I've heard recordings of Fred using it. Btw as an aside John was at that gathering, he was mixing the drinks. Thor and Lee thanks for your continued contribution.Well said LOTV! The flaws are part of the package and I wouldn't want anything less. I don't want to get anything going on Mary, but I agree with you completely. Freddie was no victim. Thor and Lee, thanks so much for putting up with all of the fun and some of the nonsense that goes on here. I've got an actual list of questions for both of you, but I don't want to overwhelm. |
LOTV 18.12.2017 16:21 |
Regarding Freddie's loves, I just watched it again. I stand by that both our hosts come across as just fine and I really don't see why the furore, it's a bit of harmless fun. Tacky in places but on the whole it's very complementary and warm towards Fred. I think some on here are in danger of canonizing the man. Also, Phoebe says Freddie slept with both (although I do think that may just be mischevious editing ;-) ) |
noorie 18.12.2017 16:39 |
Thor, please check your pm when you have the time. :) |
Mier 18.12.2017 18:40 |
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Mier 18.12.2017 18:44 |
Sh*t, the site works really really great :D Absolutely awesome to write down 5 times my question. Let me do it one more time..because I can't get enough.. About Mary, If she was so protective and wanted to respect Freddie's wishes to keep Garden Lodge private, why did she do an interview including pictures inside the house? With her standing like a model in his art decor? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 18.12.2017 18:46 |
Hi All.......been very holiday busy. miss you Mier...welcome.......sneakers, huh, I'm seeing sneakers in my mind, but not to a point that it was too much. Blenkolove We were at the recording studio a couple of times. He unceremoniously took charge and definitely knew his way around. I think I told this story in the last thread.......Once we went to the studio, and I had a terrible hangover.......LOL.......it was in L.A., and let's just say that we had a very good time each night. Freddie ALWAYS "rallied" (his word) and was on his game. He looked at me, and said something like "Kathleen, you look green.........why don't you go nap in the car". He said it with complete kindness and caring, and I was THRILLED to take him up on his suggestion. I fell asleep in the car for a period, and everyone came out so we could go to dinner right next store to the studio at a place call Entourage. I have always meant to try and find it, so will finally do so. Freddie came and woke me up........HA!. We get inside and it's me, Freddie, Roger, and me at the table waiting for the rest to come.......I was a zombie........and Freddie asked me to tell Roger a Bette Midler joke that he LOVED. I do NOT know how I did it, but I "rallied" and was able to deliver the joke much to their enjoyment. Freddie laughed like he hadn't ever heard me tell the joke the many times I had. GOD, I love Bette Midler. I had a dog named Bette for a while. She was like half the size of Delilah. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 18.12.2017 18:54 |
Jumping back to Freddie's Loves for a minute........ Though I felt a little duped regarding the premise of the producer, they were very kind to us, and very appreciative of our input. There WERE some outlandish comments made in the project, but there were also a lot of loving caring thoughts coming from people who LOVED Freddie. We were, and I know Thor will agree, very proud to be two of Freddie's loves on the friendship level.......... P.S. We had NEVER heard about Barbara to the best of my recollection..........had we Thor? We were a bit taken aback with that story. I DID love the birthday party video......it one of my favorite Freddie videos. As you know, it took two nights of taping......one with Freddie alone, and one WITH the party revelers.......would have LOVED to have been there. |
thundergod 18.12.2017 19:16 |
LOTV, Go a little easy on me, ok? Since this site is visited by a few trolls, I just assumed this was some intolerant and trashy information. Both Lee and I have explained how the "F" word affects our feelings. I had never seen this link before and it didn't look like something I wanted to see.. I didn't know if Freddie had ever used that word with us but I'm pretty sure he didn't. I have already apologized as soon as I found out the truth. I am not prissy nor ever have been |
Sponge Caves 18.12.2017 19:55 |
LOTV wrote: Some on here are desperate to cast Mary as the villain yet clearly Freddie wasn't, neither did he ever portray himself as a victim. .He did play the victim a bit to be honest. Example 1: "No one wants to share their life with me". Granted he allowed traitors and users into his life but he was a serial cheat. Almost every relationship from Mary onwards. Phoebe said he didn't appreciate getting cheated on in return. He felt he could do what he wanted but they weren't allowed. Playing the victim example 2: All that melodramatic stuff about having no friends, that everyone in his life was fake and lying about liking him, when he obviously had many people in his life who adored him. |
Sponge Caves 18.12.2017 19:57 |
LOTV wrote: Some on here are desperate to cast Mary as the villain yet clearly Freddie wasn't, neither did he ever portray himself as a victim.When I first got into Freddie I thought he and Mary's friendship was sweet. But reading HER interviews in combination with others' opinions made me see this sweet love story isn't what it seems. She made herself the 'villain' by slagging off his friends, family and the band and being ungrateful. Plus all the contradictory stories and admitting she wasn't even in love with him at first. |
Sponge Caves 18.12.2017 19:59 |
LOTV wrote: Regarding Freddie's loves, I just watched it again. I stand by that both our hosts come across as just fine and I really don't see why the furore, it's a bit of harmless fun. Tacky in places but on the whole it's very complementary and warm towards Fred. I think some on here are in danger of canonizing the man. Also, Phoebe says Freddie slept with both (although I do think that may just be mischevious editing ;-) )Yeah...no one's ever denied Freddie had slept with women at some point. A lot of gay men do at first. You're lowkey a bi-screamer and it's boring. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 18.12.2017 21:13 |
Noorie please check your pm |
SmokyQuartz 18.12.2017 21:42 |
Is anyone else not able to quote on this forum at the moment? It's stopped me replying to 3 people...ah well Lee, I really love all the stories, along with Thor's. :-) |
noorie 18.12.2017 21:43 |
Lee, please check yours. :) |
noorie 18.12.2017 21:45 |
SmokyQuartz, please let your cursor hover next to the date of the post you want to reply to. There is 'edit post', 'reply to post' and 'reply with quote' - all invisible until you hover over them! :) Click on the 'reply with quote'. |
Invisible Woman 18.12.2017 21:55 |
This discussion of did Freddie was bi or gay going to never end it, as it seems to me. It's not that important to me.He didn't made music only for gay people or only for straight people but for all people. Why is it so important did he slept with both women and men? I think it is much more important that he found love and the person who loved him and whom he loved and that person was a man. My question on page 18 is still unanswered. If you want to give answer it would be fine and if you don't want to give answer thanks in that case too. |
SmokyQuartz 18.12.2017 21:56 |
Sponge Caves, something you mentioned about Freddie calling fans 'ugly,' I read that too but I believe it was in the early days, they were young and starting out and it was a private joke, amongst friends. The joke being that you can't have ugly people at a Queen concert. I agree with you and others here that Freddie should not be sanitised. At the same time I think some fans hang on to his 'bad' stuff because they think it makes their bad behaviour ok, and they take what he did out of context (I'm not saying you did). A lot of the examples given by people took place privately, with close friends who wouldn't take offence, etc. Also they were years apart, but when written in one paragraph make it look like he was doing that all the time. No one would want Freddie to be a saint, but I get the impression he was essentially a good person with morals. Far too many people have said that he was kind, warm hearted and generous. At the same time he took no shit from people and by all accounts you had to work hard to gain his acceptance. Good for him. He said in one interview that he lets his characters loose at the right times, I think there were many facets and he did let them loose when he felt it was appropriate. Someone mentioned he punched a photographer?? I've never heard that one....what happened? Why? (edited, LOTV, it was you and yes I agree re his imperfections, it allows others to have them too) |
SmokyQuartz 18.12.2017 21:58 |
noorie wrote: SmokyQuartz, please let your cursor hover next to the date of the post you want to reply to. There is 'edit post', 'reply to post' and 'reply with quote' - all invisible until you hover over them! :) Click on the 'reply with quote'.LOL, got it, they disappeared, thanks Noorie! :-) |
thundergod 18.12.2017 22:09 |
Hi Invisible Woman, Sorry we did not get back to you on your question yet. So far we are not 100% decided on doing a book. Doing a documentary is not even on our "things to do list". We'll let you know if a book is in the making after Christmas or in the new year. Thanks for being patient.. |
Dustin Zimmerman 19.12.2017 00:15 |
Lol yeah Lee you were probably taken aback by the Barbara story because it's ridiculous. Lets see.. In every interview he ever took his entire career when asked about who he was dating he only talked about Mary even when Barbara claims they were together. Peter said it never happened (multiple times he's had to say it). If he was bisexual why didn't he ever get back with Mary who he loved enough to leave so much to? If he was bisexual then why didn't anyone in his circle EVER see him show interest in women at all after Mary? There were plenty of men on record but peter said in all the years he knew Freddie, freddie never had sex with a woman or even showed interest in one sexually. Surely a bisexual with access to loads of women and cash could have and would have been seen showing interest in women at some point. He didn't. Gee wonder what could mean. Barbara herself said Freddie didn't tell her he had AIDS after he found out and even cut himself by accident near her and screamed for her to get away from him and not touch the blood. Yet he told Jim Hutton, and Joe Fanelli (who he had stopped having sex with some 7 years before that) to get tested. If he had any sexual relationship with Barbara why did he not tell her to get tested too? Why did he hide it from her when he told his ex lovers? Why did she have to find out about it over a year after he was diagnosed instead of him telling her? Why didn't he leave her anything in the estate? Why did he literally tell two separate people on two separate occasions that he never had sex with her? Why was she on the untold story (audio and video) NEVER claiming to have been his lover? On a documentary that just so happened to be fact checked. Lee, I don't blame you guys for thinking it was odd. It was odd because it never happened. It's also worded a certain way in the Freddie's Loves doc. Peter says he slept with men and women because before Mary, there were women. Peter also says he knows they shared a bed but had they ever had sex, freddie would have said something to him about it. Barbaras own best friend was on there saying literally "had Freddie not been a HOMOSEXUAL perhaps they could have been married". She was a beard in the 80s (not one he even took seriously because he never even mentioned her in interviews and just held her hand for for the press in photos). A beard who waited until he died to make bullshit claims and that's why it was so weird for you to hear it, Lee. Keep in mind that peter talks about the fact that Freddie used her as a beard for a while (like mary was at the time) but Barbara turned around and started telling the German press that they were getting married. Freddie started to realize that every time they left a restaurant or theater in Germany, there were suddenly press and media waiting for them so she had to grab his hand or kiss him for photos. He talked about how COINCIDENTLY all the press that showed up to take their photos and spread the marriage lie just so happened to be friends with Barbara herself. Freddie started to question how they always seemed to know where they would be- ready to take their photo. Freddie cut her out of his life for a few years for a reason. She tried using him while he was alive and he didn't care for it. So she waited until he was dead and a tabloid writer who wouldn't fact check came around to use his name again. This time he wasn't here to defend himself. She even tossed in some physical abuse and attempted murder for good measure. And invisible women it's important to know Freddie was gay and not bisexual because lgbt people (especially in that time) struggled with having to hide their sexual identity for fear of losing their careers. The man had to keep it on the DL for years. To ignore it or claim it isn't important (his story and his struggle) isn't important....Is disrespectful. It's part of who he was. That's why it's important. If you don't want to hear a Barbara rant again just skip over it. The can of worms was already opened. Lee mentioned his shock over the story when he heard it and I'm telling him why it was shocking. |
thundergod 19.12.2017 01:11 |
Well Dustin, The fact that Lee and I knew nothing about this woman and when we were in London, still did not hear of her, says something. Freddie never once since I've known him, ever pointed out a woman as his desire. I dated about five girls in High School in order to fit in with the crowd and cause no attention to myself. In the early '70s, you could not admit you were gay and especially if you could "pass" as straight. No name-calling, no shoves into the lockers and no bullying was just fine with me. So, the "beard" philosophy is definitely true. Also, a good amount of gays even went as far as marring and having children to ensure they could still become doctors and lawyers and professors. If you did not live as a gay man (or woman) in the 1970's you would just have NO idea of how it actually was then. |
Dustin Zimmerman 19.12.2017 01:45 |
Thanks Thor. Well said. It's a damn shame that so many people had to deal with that kind of bullying and abuse for being gay. |
Katydyd5 19.12.2017 02:14 |
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thundergod 19.12.2017 02:47 |
OK Katydyd, I hope people can understand this so I'll try not to go too far. When I was 6 years old I wound up in the playground behind a big tree and I put my hand down a very cute kids pants. He was wearing his cub-scout uniform and I thought he was dreamy. From age 9 to 14, the little old lady who lived nextdoor started to rent out her upstairs rooms to college students. I would turn out all my lights, pull up a chair and spent hours trying to catch this guy either coming out of the shower, having sex with a girl, or masturbating. Even if I stayed awake until 4AM with school the next day, it was WORTH it. I got such a secret thrill out of this. I guess my point is that I always knew I liked men but I had no idea what that made me. Finally I saw a David Susskind (popular in the late 60's) interview with a "homosexual." I was relieved that I had a new understanding of who or what But my preferences at such an early age had no name for it. I went the next day to the Hofstra University Library and spent the whole day looking up books on homosexual behavior well that was sort of a relief for me but I also became very disturbed.that I was something that people hated and despised. I was miserable until age 17 when I left home on Graduation Day and met and fell in love with a very special person. That was great and I was finally content with myself and happy. |
thundergod 19.12.2017 02:49 |
Katydyd, What happened to your question, I read it here, answered, and now the message is gone. |
thundergod 19.12.2017 02:54 |
Correction: "homosexual." I was relieved that I had a new understanding of who or what I was, but my preferences at such an early age had no name for it. |
YAWN 19.12.2017 02:56 |
Thor that happens sometimes when you're trying to edit a comment. But I saw what she asked. She asked Thor how young he was when he realized he was gay or how he knew. Thor, you and I have a similar story there. And apparently Freddie had his first experience with a boy at 14 at St.Peters. I assume his story was much like ours. |
thundergod 19.12.2017 02:58 |
Always a pleasure to hear from you Villiers, Thank you much. |
Katydyd5 19.12.2017 03:04 |
thundergod wrote: Katydyd, What happened to your question, I read it here, answered, and now the message is gone.I am so sorry. I decided it was way too personal, so I wanted to delete it, but it still left my name hanging there. I was kinda hoping it would look like a mistake. Thanks for answering though. I think you have a wonderful opportunity here to tell Freddie stories, and to educate at the same time. |
Katydyd5 19.12.2017 03:19 |
LOL Villiers, you were too quick for me! |
Blenkolove 19.12.2017 03:25 |
Thor.....you're very brave for putting your story out there!! But it sounds very Real!! Thank you for sharing such an intimate story. The atrocities that humans have put other humans through....whether it's in the name of religion, race, or sexual identity is a pox on our entire species!! Why humans can't just 'live n let live"???....i'll never understand. I've quite often stated that Humans are bad animals!! My dogs have taught me more about forgiveness, unconditional love, stoicism, living in the moment, and of course loyalty and undying affection!!! I haven't met too many humans w/as many good traits as these!! But Hopefully, as we evolve and grow......i do Think that a large majority of us humans are learning and practicing peace, tolerance, embracing differences, and loving ALL People!!! |
thundergod 19.12.2017 03:42 |
HaHa Blenkolove, Both my sister and myself as well as Brandon are animal lovers. She and he volunteer in Animal Shelters in their prospective states. My sister once drove from New York to Mississippi just to deliver a dog to a new owner at her own expense. We always comment on how most animals have much better personalities and love for all, than most of people. |
thundergod 19.12.2017 04:10 |
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thundergod 19.12.2017 04:12 |
Oh no...I'm right there with you Katydyd...but I didn't try to edit, or erase...LOL |
Tonya 19.12.2017 04:25 |
Rainbow61 - I have been one of the silent followers of these two threads. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all these stories and everyone’s input (well, except for a couple ??). As I closed the thread one night last week, I hit the reply button unknowingly. Imagine my surprise when I checked it again later and Thor had responded! Lol Thor and Lee (I am aware that I am posting this time! Ha) - I know you said you sat in the friends and family section with Brian’s mother and father at one concert. Did you ever see Freddie’s parents or any of the other band members’ families? |
thundergod 19.12.2017 04:42 |
Welcome Tonya, I have never met Freddie's Mom and Dad or his sister. I don't think we ever introduced to John Deacon's family nor Rodgers. Of course they may have been back stage but I just did not recognize them. Freddie was not all that interested in mingling with the band when his friends were around. I wish now that I had been introduced to all of them. |
Tonya 19.12.2017 05:28 |
Thanks Thor! |
Rainbow61 19.12.2017 06:40 |
Hello Tonya and welcome. Glad you are here! |
c.jory 19.12.2017 08:55 |
Thor, I'd been wondering if you'd had girlfriends to fit in in your youth too. I just never asked in case you thought I was too nosy! The bi screamers will be claiming you're bi because of this too. They have no concept of how necessary it was to fit in and act straight. It's all interesting to me to hear experiences of gay men in the 70s because I am writing a story about one. It's a challenge to write. I'm not a gay man myself obviously, but I've experienced homophobia against myself (!) As a teen, I wasn't feminine, I didn't really identify with other girls much or join in conversations about hot boys. As a result, kids speculated i was a lesbian and I was bullied severely for it. I had a whole class chant "dyke" at me once and people refusing to sit next to me in assembly. People shoving me up against walls and claiming they'd been "lezzed up" by me. Had i really been a lesbian, I'd have been suicidal about it. So I can totally empathise with gay people. I hate the gay erasure because I have had a taste of how homophobia feels and know how resilient they have to become. That's why I always step in when people simplify Freddie's life as "yeah well he liked women so his life was easier". It really wasn't in his youth. |
c.jory 19.12.2017 09:00 |
So when people say his sexuality doesn't matter, in terms of understanding him as a person it totally matters. In terms of his music of course it doesn't matter what he was. Though I think it did contribute to the campiness of some of the songs. Some are just like: a straight guy wouldn't have written that! |
LOTV 19.12.2017 11:10 |
Sponge Caves wrote:You know what's boring, a screaming Queen finding offence where there isn't any. See look, I can throw insults around too.LOTV wrote: Regarding Freddie's loves, I just watched it again. I stand by that both our hosts come across as just fine and I really don't see why the furore, it's a bit of harmless fun. Tacky in places but on the whole it's very complementary and warm towards Fred. I think some on here are in danger of canonizing the man. Also, Phoebe says Freddie slept with both (although I do think that may just be mischevious editing ;-) )Yeah...no one's ever denied Freddie had slept with women at some point. A lot of gay men do at first. You're lowkey a bi-screamer and it's boring. I couldn't give a shit about how many women he did or didn't sleep with. I couldn't give a shit. The only reason his sexuality is of slight interest to me is because it was part of who he was . This 'bi-screamer' nonsense is just paranoid bullshit. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 11:16 |
thundergod wrote: LOTV, Go a little easy on me, ok? Since this site is visited by a few trolls, I just assumed this was some intolerant and trashy information. Both Lee and I have explained how the "F" word affects our feelings. I had never seen this link before and it didn't look like something I wanted to see.. I didn't know if Freddie had ever used that word with us but I'm pretty sure he didn't. I have already apologized as soon as I found out the truth. I am not prissy nor ever have been@Thor, apologies, no offence intended. I understand how growing up and now living in a world that still thinks it's everybody else's business which gender an individual sleeps with has been and is harder for you. I appreciate the 'f' word has been hurled about to hurt and is synonymous with nonacceptance and homophobia. Well I understand in principle but of course I can never truly understand. The closest I have come is to have had to deal with mild racism. I certainly would never use the word. Clearly Fred felt in certain company he could own it. My general point is lets not sanitize him and understand and discuss all of his character. With regards to lamping the troublesome photographer I still think good for him, the bloke had it coming, but it's not exemplary behaviour. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 11:24 |
SmokyQuartz wrote: Sponge Caves, something you mentioned about Freddie calling fans 'ugly,' I read that too but I believe it was in the early days, they were young and starting out and it was a private joke, amongst friends. The joke being that you can't have ugly people at a Queen concert. I agree with you and others here that Freddie should not be sanitised. At the same time I think some fans hang on to his 'bad' stuff because they think it makes their bad behaviour ok, and they take what he did out of context (I'm not saying you did). A lot of the examples given by people took place privately, with close friends who wouldn't take offence, etc. Also they were years apart, but when written in one paragraph make it look like he was doing that all the time. No one would want Freddie to be a saint, but I get the impression he was essentially a good person with morals. Far too many people have said that he was kind, warm hearted and generous. At the same time he took no shit from people and by all accounts you had to work hard to gain his acceptance. Good for him. He said in one interview that he lets his characters loose at the right times, I think there were many facets and he did let them loose when he felt it was appropriate. Someone mentioned he punched a photographer?? I've never heard that one....what happened? Why? (edited, LOTV, it was you and yes I agree re his imperfections, it allows others to have them too)Smoky, I'd have to dig about because I can't remember which gig it was. Pretty sure it was in the UK. There was a photographer in the front row and Freddie asked him to stop the flash getting in his eyes. The bloke continued and an altercation followed with insults being thrown back and forth. Later in the gig Fred had enough and jumped into the crowd and belted him. He got in a bit of trouble for it I believe. There's an audio of it I heard years ago, maybe worth a search? Sorry that's all I can recall off the top of my head. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 11:30 |
thundergod wrote: Well Dustin, The fact that Lee and I knew nothing about this woman and when we were in London, still did not hear of her, says something. Freddie never once since I've known him, ever pointed out a woman as his desire. I dated about five girls in High School in order to fit in with the crowd and cause no attention to myself. In the early '70s, you could not admit you were gay and especially if you could "pass" as straight. No name-calling, no shoves into the lockers and no bullying was just fine with me. So, the "beard" philosophy is definitely true. Also, a good amount of gays even went as far as marring and having children to ensure they could still become doctors and lawyers and professors. If you did not live as a gay man (or woman) in the 1970's you would just have NO idea of how it actually was then.Thor, how did you muster up the ability to be sexual/intimate with women? Was it repulsive? There must have been an element of self hate, which I think is one of the most abhorrent aspects of having a sexually intolerant society. The secret pain and misery it causes. |
Sponge Caves 19.12.2017 11:31 |
LOTV wrote:You're the one who's brought up 'but he could have been on drugs and didn't remember' several times. In this thread and the last. You wouldn't mention it if you didn't keep thinking about it.Sponge Caves wrote:You know what's boring, a screaming Queen finding offence where there isn't any. See look, I can throw insults around too. I couldn't give a shit about how many women he did or didn't sleep with. I couldn't give a shit. The only reason his sexuality is of slight interest to me is because it was part of who he was . This 'bi-screamer' nonsense is just paranoid bullshit.LOTV wrote: Regarding Freddie's loves, I just watched it again. I stand by that both our hosts come across as just fine and I really don't see why the furore, it's a bit of harmless fun. Tacky in places but on the whole it's very complementary and warm towards Fred. I think some on here are in danger of canonizing the man. Also, Phoebe says Freddie slept with both (although I do think that may just be mischevious editing ;-) )Yeah...no one's ever denied Freddie had slept with women at some point. A lot of gay men do at first. You're lowkey a bi-screamer and it's boring. Can't stand people who deny caring about a topic they wade in on. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 11:39 |
thundergod wrote: OK Katydyd, I hope people can understand this so I'll try not to go too far. When I was 6 years old I wound up in the playground behind a big tree and I put my hand down a very cute kids pants. He was wearing his cub-scout uniform and I thought he was dreamy. From age 9 to 14, the little old lady who lived nextdoor started to rent out her upstairs rooms to college students. I would turn out all my lights, pull up a chair and spent hours trying to catch this guy either coming out of the shower, having sex with a girl, or masturbating. Even if I stayed awake until 4AM with school the next day, it was WORTH it. I got such a secret thrill out of this. I guess my point is that I always knew I liked men but I had no idea what that made me. Finally I saw a David Susskind (popular in the late 60's) interview with a "homosexual." I was relieved that I had a new understanding of who or what But my preferences at such an early age had no name for it. I went the next day to the Hofstra University Library and spent the whole day looking up books on homosexual behavior well that was sort of a relief for me but I also became very disturbed.that I was something that people hated and despised. I was miserable until age 17 when I left home on Graduation Day and met and fell in love with a very special person. That was great and I was finally content with myself and happy.What a candid response. What's great about this story is that it's a tail of young lust, the genders of all characters don't really matter. I really wish that everybody could see it like that. I remember seeing some pornographic playing cards when I was young. Remember those tacky things? I got stirrings looking at all the images including very well endowed men with fantastic physiques. I spent a couple of years wondering and worrying what that made me. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 11:49 |
Sponge Caves wrote:I can't stand people who find offence where there isn't any to reinforce a self created narrative of being oh so fucking liberal.LOTV wrote:You're the one who's brought up 'but he could have been on drugs and didn't remember' several times. In this thread and the last. You wouldn't mention it if you didn't keep thinking about it. Can't stand people who deny caring about a topic they wade in on.Sponge Caves wrote:You know what's boring, a screaming Queen finding offence where there isn't any. See look, I can throw insults around too. I couldn't give a shit about how many women he did or didn't sleep with. I couldn't give a shit. The only reason his sexuality is of slight interest to me is because it was part of who he was . This 'bi-screamer' nonsense is just paranoid bullshit.LOTV wrote: Regarding Freddie's loves, I just watched it again. I stand by that both our hosts come across as just fine and I really don't see why the furore, it's a bit of harmless fun. Tacky in places but on the whole it's very complementary and warm towards Fred. I think some on here are in danger of canonizing the man. Also, Phoebe says Freddie slept with both (although I do think that may just be mischevious editing ;-) )Yeah...no one's ever denied Freddie had slept with women at some point. A lot of gay men do at first. You're lowkey a bi-screamer and it's boring. He could have been on drugs and done gods knows what. It's possible, how do you know, you weren't there either. I've conceded based on what Thor and Lee tell us it's highly unlikely. I've never slept with a man, but how do you know I haven't? I've conceded to friends that in my younger sexually free days I may have 'done something' with a man if it had pleased a girl I thought was super hot. But I didn't, so I'll never know. In the moment, these things can be fluid, especially under the influence. I look forward to you now claiming I'm suppressed and a self hater, a homophobic homosexual. |
Stop The Madness 19.12.2017 11:50 |
Lotv you're asking Thor if he was repulsed by women because he was gay? Really? Aren't you the same dude talking about how much you don't care about gay and bi shit? You're also the same one that goes keeps claiming he could have had sex with women under heavy drugs and just not remembered it. For someone who doesn't care you sure bring it up every chance you get buddy. Careful. Your troll is showing. To answer your retarded question, even Adam gay Lambert had sex with a women and said it felt good but it wasn't his cup of tea. And IM being called homophobic here. Ironic! With love, from one troll to another. |
Sponge Caves 19.12.2017 11:54 |
LOTV wrote:Sorry to disappoint you but you clearly don't know what I'm about. I'm not some easily offended teenage tumblrina.Sponge Caves wrote:I can't stand people who find offence where there isn't any to reinforce a self created narrative of being oh so fucking liberal. I look forward to you now claiming I'm suppressed and a self hater, a homophobic homosexual.LOTV wrote:You're the one who's brought up 'but he could have been on drugs and didn't remember' several times. In this thread and the last. You wouldn't mention it if you didn't keep thinking about it. Can't stand people who deny caring about a topic they wade in on.Sponge Caves wrote:You know what's boring, a screaming Queen finding offence where there isn't any. See look, I can throw insults around too. I couldn't give a shit about how many women he did or didn't sleep with. I couldn't give a shit. The only reason his sexuality is of slight interest to me is because it was part of who he was . This 'bi-screamer' nonsense is just paranoid bullshit.LOTV wrote: Regarding Freddie's loves, I just watched it again. I stand by that both our hosts come across as just fine and I really don't see why the furore, it's a bit of harmless fun. Tacky in places but on the whole it's very complementary and warm towards Fred. I think some on here are in danger of canonizing the man. Also, Phoebe says Freddie slept with both (although I do think that may just be mischevious editing ;-) )Yeah...no one's ever denied Freddie had slept with women at some point. A lot of gay men do at first. You're lowkey a bi-screamer and it's boring. I'm just bored with your repetitive comments. |
Dustin Zimmerman 19.12.2017 12:03 |
LOTV let it go. You're the one that keeps bringing it up. For someone who "doesn't care" about the topic, you sure do hold on to it. "Lotv you're asking Thor if he was repulsed by women because he was gay? Really? Aren't you the same dude talking about how much you don't care about gay and bi shit? " Hate to agree with that guy, but true. YAWN. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:10 |
Stop The Madness wrote: Lotv you're asking Thor if he was repulsed by women because he was gay? Really? Aren't you the same dude talking about how much you don't care about gay and bi shit? You're also the same one that goes keeps claiming he could have had sex with women under heavy drugs and just not remembered it. For someone who doesn't care you sure bring it up every chance you get buddy. Careful. Your troll is showing. To answer your retarded question, even Adam gay Lambert had sex with a women and said it felt good but it wasn't his cup of tea. And IM being called homophobic here. Ironic! With love, from one troll to another.To credit you with an answer you don't deserve. It matters not to me whether an individual is gay, bi or straight. However I am interested in sexuality and experiences that are different to my own. I have a gay friend who has said the thought of sleeping with women is pretty repellent to him. He tells some very funny stories about his university encounters with beards. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:17 |
Typical, one can't ask questions or challenge perspectives without being accused of all sorts. You do get how that does nothing for equality don't you? Perhaps some aren't bright enough to understand the subtle difference? Or choose not to in the name of appearing liberal. Challenging is now apparently trolling. If you're not intelligent enough to understand the notion that I am tolerant of all sexuality yet still intrigued by 'the other' then I am onto a losing cause explaining it. |
The Squirrelly One 19.12.2017 12:17 |
In all fairness LOTV...You do say that you don't care what Freddie was and when his friends and people say he was gay, you keep saying that nobody knows for sure that he didn't have sex with women while on drugs and just didn't remember. So you're asking what he was and you're given the answer.....then claiming it's not certain. It sure does come across as you not wanting to accept Freddie for what he was. You want to know about it....He was gay. Most gay men have sex with women before coming to terms with it. I have had 3 gay friends in my life who have slept with women for years before coming out. One was married to my childhood best friend. Just my two cents. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:19 |
Sponge Caves wrote:Which is OK because I'm bored of your self serving evangelizing.LOTV wrote:Sorry to disappoint you but you clearly don't know what I'm about. I'm not some easily offended teenage tumblrina. I'm just bored with your repetitive comments.Sponge Caves wrote:I can't stand people who find offence where there isn't any to reinforce a self created narrative of being oh so fucking liberal. I look forward to you now claiming I'm suppressed and a self hater, a homophobic homosexual.LOTV wrote:You're the one who's brought up 'but he could have been on drugs and didn't remember' several times. In this thread and the last. You wouldn't mention it if you didn't keep thinking about it. Can't stand people who deny caring about a topic they wade in on.Sponge Caves wrote:You know what's boring, a screaming Queen finding offence where there isn't any. See look, I can throw insults around too. I couldn't give a shit about how many women he did or didn't sleep with. I couldn't give a shit. The only reason his sexuality is of slight interest to me is because it was part of who he was . This 'bi-screamer' nonsense is just paranoid bullshit.LOTV wrote: Regarding Freddie's loves, I just watched it again. I stand by that both our hosts come across as just fine and I really don't see why the furore, it's a bit of harmless fun. Tacky in places but on the whole it's very complementary and warm towards Fred. I think some on here are in danger of canonizing the man. Also, Phoebe says Freddie slept with both (although I do think that may just be mischevious editing ;-) )Yeah...no one's ever denied Freddie had slept with women at some point. A lot of gay men do at first. You're lowkey a bi-screamer and it's boring. |
Dustin Zimmerman 19.12.2017 12:23 |
LOTV are YOU not intelligent enough to see that you're spewing crap left and right with this? You claim you dont care what he was but you're being told he was gay and you're STILL sitting here trying to push that bullshit theory about him being fucked up on drugs and fucking chicks and just not remembering it and now you're claiming he may have even hid it from his gay and bisexual friends. Come the fuck on. You're not interested in others sexuality. You're interested in trying to make the man something he wasn't. He was homosexual. He had sex with chicks before coming out like most gays do. Build a bridge and get over it. Take your drug theory with you. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:24 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: In all fairness LOTV...You do say that you don't care what Freddie was and when his friends and people say he was gay, you keep saying that nobody knows for sure that he didn't have sex with women while on drugs and just didn't remember. So you're asking what he was and you're given the answer.....then claiming it's not certain. It sure does come across as you not wanting to accept Freddie for what he was. You want to know about it....He was gay. Most gay men have sex with women before coming to terms with it. I have had 3 gay friends in my life who have slept with women for years before coming out. One was married to my childhood best friend. Just my two cents.Squirelly, I accept your point of view and can see you case. However hopefully I have explained myself in recent posts. You have the ability to be succinct and engage properly in debate, unlike the moron on this thread. Thankfully you are far more pleasant than I am. I'll let that particular Devil's Advocate viewpoint die. |
The Squirrelly One 19.12.2017 12:29 |
I think the arguing does nothing but take away from the thread and it's a bit selfish to do it here when Thor and Lee are being so kind taking part in this for us. If anyone wants to continue it, can I suggest private messages instead of posting here? I think everyone here is better than that. |
The Squirrelly One 19.12.2017 12:30 |
Lotv I think we posted at the same time. I just saw your last comment. I'm sure everyone is on the same page now. Thanks |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:31 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: LOTV are YOU not intelligent enough to see that you're spewing crap left and right with this? You claim you dont care what he was but you're being told he was gay and you're STILL sitting here trying to push that bullshit theory about him being fucked up on drugs and fucking chicks and just not remembering it and now you're claiming he may have even hid it from his gay and bisexual friends. Come the fuck on. You're not interested in others sexuality. You're interested in trying to make the man something he wasn't. He was homosexual. He had sex with chicks before coming out like most gays do. Build a bridge and get over it. Take your drug theory with you.Dustin Zimmerman, the spokesperson for the Queen fan community. How could I dare speak out against one so worthy? You know no more about Freddie Mercury than I do. Yet you are happy to represent yourself as THE authority along with the arbiter of decency. Don't patronise me with your linear thinking bullshit, please. |
The Squirrelly One 19.12.2017 12:33 |
And we're right back where we started. That lasted all of about 30 seconds. |
Stop The Madness 19.12.2017 12:35 |
So there you have it folks! LOTV is a full-fledged retard. Is your helmet on too tight? Trollololololll |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:36 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: I think the arguing does nothing but take away from the thread and it's a bit selfish to do it here when Thor and Lee are being so kind taking part in this for us. If anyone wants to continue it, can I suggest private messages instead of posting here? I think everyone here is better than that.Duly noted. I will struggle to let inaccurate assumptions and accusations against my character go unchallenged though. To return to the music, whilst we wait for our hosts to return, what is your favourite live performance you've heard by Queen? For me the versions of PTG and SM from Queen on Fire are absolutely top notch, along with the DOTL from Live Killers. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:38 |
Stop The Madness wrote: So there you have it folks! LOTV is a full-fledged retard. Is your helmet on too tight? Trollololololll"Retard". Is that acceptable? True colours shown there. |
Dustin Zimmerman 19.12.2017 12:39 |
Are you still here bitching? You're bitching about me thinking I know more about him than others when YOURE the one sitting here claiming to know more than his friends who said he was simply gay? You can't really be that dense. It's not possible. You have to be trolling. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:39 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: And we're right back where we started. That lasted all of about 30 seconds.About 45 to be fair. Crossed threads. |
Stop The Madness 19.12.2017 12:40 |
LOL "true colours shown here" No shit! Ironic statement coming from you! |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:41 |
Regarding The Prophet DZ, in respect for TSO I bow and step off the mat on this matter. |
The Squirrelly One 19.12.2017 12:44 |
For gods sake someone be above all this and just stop commenting back. Everyone here is dangerously close to ruining this thread beyond salvaging. I'm logging out for a break. I'll try to put some positivity in here and start my day off by saying I hope you all relax, breathe and have a good day. Lifes too short guys. |
Sponge Caves 19.12.2017 12:44 |
thundergod wrote: OK Katydyd, I hope people can understand this so I'll try not to go too far. When I was 6 years old I wound up in the playground behind a big tree and I put my hand down a very cute kids pants. He was wearing his cub-scout uniform and I thought he was dreamy. From age 9 to 14, the little old lady who lived nextdoor started to rent out her upstairs rooms to college students. I would turn out all my lights, pull up a chair and spent hours trying to catch this guy either coming out of the shower, having sex with a girl, or masturbating. Even if I stayed awake until 4AM with school the next day, it was WORTH it. I got such a secret thrill out of this. I guess my point is that I always knew I liked men but I had no idea what that made me. Finally I saw a David Susskind (popular in the late 60's) interview with a "homosexual." I was relieved that I had a new understanding of who or what But my preferences at such an early age had no name for it. I went the next day to the Hofstra University Library and spent the whole day looking up books on homosexual behavior well that was sort of a relief for me but I also became very disturbed.that I was something that people hated and despised. I was miserable until age 17 when I left home on Graduation Day and met and fell in love with a very special person. That was great and I was finally content with myself and happy.This reminds me of something I read about Freddie. Now, a lot of people dismiss it as a bad source because it's from a rather tabloidy sensationalist author David Bret (I agree, he's kinda SHIT). And also because the informant remained anonymous, (so 'hmmm') but: this guy claimed he was also gay at St Peter's and he and Freddie used to spy on the older boys getting in the bath! It was the only way they could 'get their kicks'. There's a reason people are particularly keen to ignore this story and that's because there's a darker side to it. I'm going to write what it said anyway because it seems relevant. Okay basically one of the older boys was said to have bullied him into sex and Freddie was absolutely terrified of the consequences of being seen as gay. He didn't report this boy because the shame terrified him - but it wasn't the shame of being taken advantage of - it was the fact he had enjoyed it and he didn't want to admit his feelings. In spite of the dubious source, I do believe it, because it just seems likely. Freddie also alluded to things happening in school in a 1974 interview. He also fell in love with another boy at school and there's a theory he was expelled for it. In any case, his parents knew he was gay. So when he came to Britain, he dated girls for a while, because basically he was badly shamed for being a gay kid. That's why he didn't come out til he was thirty. |
LOTV 19.12.2017 12:45 |
Thor & Lee, it's well documented Freddie's love of Japan and most things Japanese, do you recall whether this extended to any interest in martial arts? We are lead to believe he was a competent boxer in his youth. |
Dustin Zimmerman 19.12.2017 12:47 |
TSO you're a gem. Consider it squashed. You have yourself a good day too. |
c.jory 19.12.2017 12:51 |
Sponge Caves wrote:It fits with his type too. The boy "Robert" was said to be "overweight, unattractive and reprehensible" ... lol reminds me of a few of his other boyfriends!thundergod wrote: OK Katydyd, I hope people can understand this so I'll try not to go too far. When I was 6 years old I wound up in the playground behind a big tree and I put my hand down a very cute kids pants. He was wearing his cub-scout uniform and I thought he was dreamy. From age 9 to 14, the little old lady who lived nextdoor started to rent out her upstairs rooms to college students. I would turn out all my lights, pull up a chair and spent hours trying to catch this guy either coming out of the shower, having sex with a girl, or masturbating. Even if I stayed awake until 4AM with school the next day, it was WORTH it. I got such a secret thrill out of this. I guess my point is that I always knew I liked men but I had no idea what that made me. Finally I saw a David Susskind (popular in the late 60's) interview with a "homosexual." I was relieved that I had a new understanding of who or what But my preferences at such an early age had no name for it. I went the next day to the Hofstra University Library and spent the whole day looking up books on homosexual behavior well that was sort of a relief for me but I also became very disturbed.that I was something that people hated and despised. I was miserable until age 17 when I left home on Graduation Day and met and fell in love with a very special person. That was great and I was finally content with myself and happy.This reminds me of something I read about Freddie. Now, a lot of people dismiss it as a bad source because it's from a rather tabloidy sensationalist author David Bret (I agree, he's kinda SHIT). And also because the informant remained anonymous, (so 'hmmm') but: this guy claimed he was also gay at St Peter's and he and Freddie used to spy on the older boys getting in the bath! It was the only way they could 'get their kicks'. There's a reason people are particularly keen to ignore this story and that's because there's a darker side to it. I'm going to write what it said anyway because it seems relevant. Okay basically one of the older boys was said to have bullied him into sex and Freddie was absolutely terrified of the consequences of being seen as gay. He didn't report this boy because the shame terrified him - but it wasn't the shame of being taken advantage of - it was the fact he had enjoyed it and he didn't want to admit his feelings. In spite of the dubious source, I do believe it, because it just seems likely. Freddie also alluded to things happening in school in a 1974 interview. He also fell in love with another boy at school and there's a theory he was expelled for it. In any case, his parents knew he was gay. So when he came to Britain, he dated girls for a while, because basically he was badly shamed for being a gay kid. That's why he didn't come out til he was thirty. |
The Fairy King 19.12.2017 13:15 |
Reading through this thread and also the one dedicated to Thor...i must say i enjoy the stories you (Lee and Thor) tell about yourselves more than the ones about Freddie (although Freddie is the main reason why we're here). The more this thread progresses it's getting more uncomfortable and creepy. These so-called "fans" that come out of nowhere that are sudden experts in every little private detail of Freddie's life. I like the stuff about being gay back in the day. What you guys went through. What it meant back then and what (gay/bi/trans) people had to deal with bears more of a social and historical significance than when and how he contracted the virus or he did or didn't pound the odd vadge here and there. |
Invisible Woman 19.12.2017 13:51 |
To better explain my post from yesterday. When I said that it doesn't really matter,I said that doesn't really matter TO ME.In music or in any other sense. If anyone thinks that Freddie was bisexual,I have nothing against that opinion. I think he was gay, but I don't think that's the only or the most important thing which identified him as a person! I think he knew exactly who was but he had no need to shout "I am gay!I am gay!" Of course, he also thought about his career,public image, other members of the band, band management... He wanted to protect his career,family and the people around him. Today is a different time,but even today people hide that they are gay. But I think no need to argue about such things and no need to insult each others.It doesn't make sense. |
Katydyd5 19.12.2017 13:53 |
Trying to get back on track here......................I've heard and read books and interviews where people, particularly Peter F., say that Freddie was easily bored and never still. Thor and Lee, did you find that to be true? Did he ever just sit and chill? |
Katydyd5 19.12.2017 14:04 |
thundergod wrote: Oh no...I'm right there with you Katydyd...but I didn't try to edit, or erase...LOLI apologize again. I left you out there hanging having posted a very personal and revealing response with no apparent reason for having brought it up. It was unintentional and I felt terrible. Hopefully I'll manage to figure out how to use this site at some point. I do need to thank Noorie for showing me how to find the little invisible buttons, but I need to get some boundaries before I post. |
c.jory 19.12.2017 14:14 |
Further to what Katydyd5 says, did you ever find you could have long and in-depth one-to-one conversations with him (real life, not including on the phone)?? Or did he keep getting up and changing the subject? I remember some college friends saying he'd randomly just sing when they were trying to talk to them and it was annoying lol |
LOTV 19.12.2017 15:19 |
Invisible Woman wrote: To better explain my post from yesterday. When I said that it doesn't really matter,I said that doesn't really matter TO ME.In music or in any other sense. If anyone thinks that Freddie was bisexual,I have nothing against that opinion. I think he was gay, but I don't think that's the only or the most important thing which identified him as a person! I think he knew exactly who was but he had no need to shout "I am gay!I am gay!" Of course, he also thought about his career,public image, other members of the band, band management... He wanted to protect his career,family and the people around him. Today is a different time,but even today people hide that they are gay. But I think no need to argue about such things and no need to insult each others.It doesn't make sense.Lets be honest Invisible Lady, he was mainly protecting his career and the band didn't want a major statement for commercial reasons. But as I wrote earlier I don't see it as he didn't come out, he just never made a statement in the press and he hardly tried to hide it. Not many straight rock n rollers would have heard of Anvil or Mineshaft let alone worn the t-shirt. |
Darren_1977 19.12.2017 21:42 |
Regarding Barbara valentin, I thought I read somewhere that Freddie bought her a flat in Munich and a year or so before he passed away he bought houses for those closest to him, namely Jim , joe and Peter and Trevor Clarke , there were other names mentioned but I’ve forgotten them or was this just one of the many stories made up by the press like the aids promo video he supposedly filmed |
c.jory 19.12.2017 21:51 |
He got her one in 1985; they were going to be flatmates, but he never moved in cos he found out she was leaking lies about the nature of their friendship to the press. But yeah I also heard he bought homes for a few people. Definitely the guys in the household, but I heard there were more. Nice dude. |
SmokyQuartz 19.12.2017 22:12 |
Darren_1977 wrote: Regarding Barbara valentin, I thought I read somewhere that Freddie bought her a flat in Munich and a year or so before he passed away he bought houses for those closest to him, namely Jim , joe and Peter and Trevor Clarke , there were other names mentioned but I’ve forgotten them or was this just one of the many stories made up by the press like the aids promo video he supposedly filmedAw...he bought a house for Trevor Clarke, he seemed like a really nice guy in the documentaries and Freddie was HIS mother too (as he'd lost his own, Freddie apparently offered to take on the role) |
SmokyQuartz 19.12.2017 22:19 |
LOTV thanks for that account you provided, I would have found it infuriating to have light shining in my eyes all the time, but there we are, I suppose none of us were there to see how the situation erupted. Lee, here's a question. I asked Thor previously about whether Freddie ever talked 'deep' or shared his philosophy on life. I'm wondering if he ever did with you. |
Obsidian Willow 19.12.2017 22:46 |
I don't really have a question for this thread, just popping in to say "Hi." I'm new-ish to the Queen fandom and I'm enjoying all the lovely stories you guys have about Freddie :) |
SinkingIsland 19.12.2017 22:51 |
Hi Obsidian Willow! |
Rainbow61 19.12.2017 22:52 |
Welcome Obsidian Willow...after a while, you will not be able to resist asking a question or two! :) |
SinkingIsland 19.12.2017 23:01 |
Blenkolove... I study everyone's teeth. I'll bet you do, too. :) I will rewind and / or pause programs for that reason. Only a fellow "toothie", like you, would understand. I do like character, as you mentioned before, and agree it is sad Freddie was embarrassed about his teeth sometimes. He was beautiful as he was. I remember what the old Prosthodontist said to the denture patient who wanted the straightest, whitest ones. He asked, "Do you want people to think you have nice teeth or nice dentures?" |
Obsidian Willow 19.12.2017 23:07 |
Yikes...I was browsing through up until the 'Noorie's uncle' debate and then skipped forward to see how long the thread was. Things seem to have taken a turn for the worse... |
Rainbow61 19.12.2017 23:13 |
Hi Thor and Lee, Did you ever hear a phrase or line from any song that Freddie wrote that you thought might be taken from an experience with Freddie that you were part of or witness to? Maybe one where other people would find the phrase/line obscure, but you guys understood the origin and would grin at being "on the inside"? It could be something as simple as a comment Freddie made that he later incorporated into a song. |
SinkingIsland 19.12.2017 23:29 |
Lee & Thor... What, typically, did Freddie wear for a night on the town? Also, did he use fragrance? I seem to have read somewhere that he did. |
SinkingIsland 19.12.2017 23:46 |
Thor... any thoughts to add to Lee's recollections regarding my question on page 23 (just before the 'F' bomb)? |
SinkingIsland 19.12.2017 23:55 |
Hi - I'm reading "Freddie Mercury: An Intimate Memoir by the Man who Knew Him Best" by Peter Freestone and wanted to share this quote with you. "August 17: Indianapolis, Indiana 18-19th (we stayed in NewYork) It was during this stay in New York that Freddie met up with his own personal Viking. Thor Arnold is blond and big and beautiful and we met him in one of our usual haunts, whether The Spike or The Eagle or The Anvil or wherever is immaterial. Thor is a genuine, all-American boy." |
c.jory 19.12.2017 23:58 |
lol aww Phoebe thought you were beautiful! <3 hehe |
thundergod 20.12.2017 01:35 |
A challenge does not have to be nasty and belittling. The occasional curse word is fine...but not directed toward another. TIT for TAT blow-up arguments with all the previous quotes is a pain to read and exhausting. I believe it was LOTV and Dustin who went through 3 or 4 pages of nasty comment throwing on the old site. ONCE AGAIN...please use the PM function to argue on and on. Really nobody wants to read it in the way it is presented on this thread. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 01:37 |
And with that I'll try to answer some of the questions on the last 4 pages...but tomorrow. |
Blenkolove 20.12.2017 01:44 |
Amen Thor!!! ....if I wanna experience That kinda rage.....i'll just get in my truck n head for some traffic congestion!!lol. And Thor...you are quite stunning!!! How's ur teeth??lmao ;) |
thundergod 20.12.2017 01:47 |
Just checked back...it was Dustin, LOTV and someone named day dop. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 01:50 |
Blenkolove, I need four dental implants for five teeth four of which were nearly falling out (lower fronts). |
thundergod 20.12.2017 01:51 |
Correction: I meant five implants not four. |
Blenkolove 20.12.2017 01:54 |
Ouch!! That's expensive!! I was just kidding...but implants are an amazing replacement for natural teeth!!!!! |
thundergod 20.12.2017 02:04 |
Yes, the expense would cut off too much of my retirement savings. |
Obsidian Willow 20.12.2017 02:44 |
Question for Thor and Lee-- Do either of you know if Freddie ever continued with visual art once he got famous? He designed the Queen crest, but that seems to be it. I saw a youtube video a while back about a museum exhibit about Queen's early years, and the curator was saying something about how he designed/sewed some of his early stage costumes. I know that was (probably) before you guys knew him, but is there any truth to the rumors? |
Obsidian Willow 20.12.2017 03:06 |
And for a part 2 to my question... Speaking of Youtube videos, are you aware of the Garden Lodge tapes? If so, what are your opinions on them? Personally, I think it's nice to see Freddie in candid unguarded moments, but some of them were a bit too private to be shared. |
LOTV 20.12.2017 10:32 |
thundergod wrote: A challenge does not have to be nasty and belittling. The occasional curse word is fine...but not directed toward another. TIT for TAT blow-up arguments with all the previous quotes is a pain to read and exhausting. I believe it was LOTV and Dustin who went through 3 or 4 pages of nasty comment throwing on the old site. ONCE AGAIN...please use the PM function to argue on and on. Really nobody wants to read it in the way it is presented on this thread.Don't believe I've engaged with The Spokesman before but I take the point. Moving on. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 21:10 |
I thought I would share with you all what I just read in Phoebe's first book that "One of the things he hated most was being called Fred." Although he introduced himself to me as Fred to pretend to be an average kind of guy, that was limited to one time on Sept. 21 1980. From then on, it was always Freddie. Interesting to note for some here who do refer to Freddie as Fred. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 21:14 |
Let me try to answer all the legitimate questions that some of you have asked between turmoil of the word-fight. It may take a little while. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 21:42 |
Hello LOTV, I appreciate your apology for insulting me with the word "prissy" Also, the old verbal fight between you, Dustin and one other can be reviewed somewhere around pg.82 of the old site. I also think I remember a long verbal fight somewhere around pg 45. I have not verified that one yet, but my point was made about wasted space with every quote over and over again. Quotes are great but readers can remember what was said by either backing up a page or just on their own memory. Using one quote if any would be much better for all readers. My experience shows that a large number of quoted thoughts, usually indicates a verbal fight. I hope we can agree on this. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 21:48 |
The above needs also to be said to Sponge Caves. Please try to limit the number of previous quotes in your present reply. People probably do not care to read all the quotes over and over and over. Too tedious. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 22:51 |
LOTV, Regarding how I was able to "perform" with girls in High School, you have to remember that this was 1967 to 1972. Sex among young straight boys and girls was discouraged and would cause problems in the families involved. I remember a 16yo boy from one of my classes who got a 15yo girl pregnant. They were ridiculed inside the school's boundaries and at home, even worse. The girl was forced to leave the school and the boy was forced to go, I believe, to finish his last two years in a Catholic school by his parents. Little did they know about what went on in some Catholic Schools and Churches. So, basically all I needed to do was make out with the girl in a friend's basement, parents out of the house, with the lights turned off. As I got older you were expected to cop a few feels of their breasts and longer French kissing sessions. None of my girlfriends ever reached for my crotch, so I had it made in the shade. A girl from 2017 would find this limit unthinkable. In the 60's most girls wanted love before sex and probably are on the pill at an earlier and earlier age every decade. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 22:57 |
LOTV, Favorite performances where I was in attendance would have to include my mind-exploding first concert in Philadelphia, and of course the Wembley "Magic" performance where the group was as outstanding as the Live Aid performance, which I did not attend. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 23:04 |
LOTV, no one is interesting in communicating with Stop TM. He proved himself to be argumentative, homophobic and very nasty. Please read his first couple of introductory statements if you haven't yet. END of subject. Feel free to PM him with my blessings. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 23:10 |
LOTV, In regard to Freddie"s sports history, as I have said, he never discussed his past with us and never talked about sports. If he was Boxing in school, it probably was mandatory that you pick SOME sport back then. Also, maybe he got a thrill out of hitting someone, in a controlled setting, even if he lost. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 23:13 |
Hey Fairy King, Thanks for your acknowledgement as to how it was in the past. Much appreciation friend! |
YAWN 20.12.2017 23:14 |
Thor, it sounds like you had a much easier time than Freddie did when it came to women. He tried for years to date them and did have sex with them but cried in the middle of it with his girlfriend Rose (before Mary) saying he needed a man. He wanted to be bisexual, but as a bisexual myself, I can assure you none of us NEED both genders. If I'm with a man, I don't need a woman and if I'm with a woman, I don't need a man. I certainly don't stop in the middle of the fun to cry about it, either. She left him and he moved on to Mary. And according to her, she noticed a difference in their sex life around 75 and put it together. She had to confront him twice about it. The first time, he told her he thought he was bisexual and she suggested he was gay considering their sex life had changed and had he been bisexual, he would have no problem with being with her physically. They stayed together for a while and she was forced to have that conversation with him again. She said in a radio interview that he came up to her in the kitchen and was trying desperately to say something but coukdnt get the words out so she asked him 'Are you trying to tell me you're gay?', and he smiled and sat down in relief. The poor guy couldn't even get the words out. I feel for him, because I too wanted to be something I wasn't at one point. I tried for years to be straight. Then I tried for 2 years to be a lesbian. In both situations I was wildly uncomfortable and depressed. I'm convinced that had I not come out about being bisexual, I wouldn't be here today. The depression was too much. Freddie didn't come out to the public, but even Brian May has mentioned how much happier he seemed once he started living as a gay man in his private life. |
The Squirrelly One 20.12.2017 23:21 |
Thor you May have been joking when you told LOTV to PM that Madness guy but for the sake of ending trolling here, I have to believe it's a better option to not stir the pot with that person. If we want him to stop commenting here, private messaging him after he stopped responding on the thread may result in him returning. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 23:30 |
Hello Invisible Woman, If somebody says that Freddie hated cats and the people who knew him say that isn't true, who would you believe. The same should go for Freddie's sexuality. If one wasn't with him for a large portion of his life like Peter Freestone and to a lesser degree Lee and myself, why doubt first hand knowledge. And if it's not important to any individual, we would suggest one might try trusting us- We are not fake biographers who never knew Freddie. We CAN claim to know a lot about Freddies personality, his generosity and his kindness to his friends and what we don't know can be found in Peter Freestone's book(s). He was truthful, not trying to make Freddie gay, he just was. No conspiracy that I've noted. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 23:45 |
Hi Sqiuirrelly, I was just kidding, but LOTV himself said he cannot let a smear of his character go .I suggested an alternate method, but let him know clearly that most of us don't want to read the nitty gritty of a NASTY argument. |
SinkingIsland 20.12.2017 23:57 |
I highly recommend the book Queen Unseen by Peter (Ratty) Hince for anyone who hasn't read it. He was a roadie for Freddie and John. Lots of laughs. |
thundergod 20.12.2017 23:59 |
Hello Villiers, I believe that many gay men nowadays could AS A NECESSITY, if being caught in a gay situation, might find some cover in saying, if he was compelled to do so, state that he is bi-sexual. As you know, back in the day, bisexuallity was not tolerated either. Homophobes, if they HAVE to these days will look the other way if it was bisexuallity that made him grope that other guy in the company's mensroom. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 00:03 |
Hey SinkingIsland, I will try to read it soon. I am still finishing Peter's first book. I thing you had some questions on an earlier page. If you don't get an answer today, we'll try for tomorrow. |
SinkingIsland 21.12.2017 00:06 |
Thanks! I was starting to think I did something wrong. I worry about everything, though. I noticed you, as I, hate to make mistakes with words and feel compelled to correct. You are not alone. :) |
thundergod 21.12.2017 00:06 |
correction: change "gay situation, might" to "gay situation, fund" ...not "might find"- sorry |
thundergod 21.12.2017 00:07 |
AY YAHY YAHY...... "gay situation, find" not fund. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 00:08 |
Agreed SinkingIsland...LOL |
SmokyQuartz 21.12.2017 00:10 |
thundergod wrote: Hi Sqiuirrelly, I was just kidding, but LOTV himself said he cannot let a smear of his character go .I suggested an alternate method, but let him know clearly that most of us don't want to read the nitty gritty of a NASTY argument.On that subject, speaking more generally, I think when we can't let something go, it's because something about it bothers us. So, say that person on you tube who called us all rat dogs, I actually found that funny. Not because it was, it was rude, etc, but to me it said more about the sad person saying it than it did about anyone else. How bothered by us must they have been to make that comment in the first place? When people defend anything vigorously they are not secure about that thing. Same when we defend ourselves IMO. LOTV this isn't directed at you, I'm making a general comment because I've seen quite a few people 'react' to stuff and actually, it's a shame, because they also have so much to offer. Every time we react, the crazy person doing the attacking is learning which buttons to press. |
YAWN 21.12.2017 00:19 |
"Every time we react, the crazy person doing the attacking is learning which buttons to press." Very true. Good point. |
c.jory 21.12.2017 00:20 |
I just had a look at the Youtube comment (Freddie's Loves pt 4) Funny how the first person to mention it on the old thread recently reappeared in this thread to mention it again...which just so happened to be on the same day the troll returned to YouTube with more insults. I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same person... Another one to be ignored from now? |
thundergod 21.12.2017 00:49 |
Hey Smoky, I'm not quite sure how your response applies to my reply on the subject of personal verbal fighting on this thread. This is for everyone, I am not singling you out Smoky, I was saying only that Lee's and myself, supported by many others don't care for long, winded arguments on this thread with so many repeated quotes (sometime 1/3 of a page) above their current reply... and it seem to inevitably get nasty. I'm not saying this should be a bleaching type of thread, but when it is a back and forth between only two or three members, what about the rest of us?. Again, it's certainly ok to disagree, but maybe without profanities being hurled at each other and name calling. Many have said they don't like that and we don't like it either. This is not a freedom of the speech issue. This is not a government, this is a thread of Lee's and mine. Please all, respect some common sense restrictions on prolonged nasty fights in order to keep this thread healthy If that request is unfair, I don't see it. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 00:59 |
hey captainjory, Thank for your comments.I agree but only when they state intolerance and hatred on the site, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. I've been burned before. |
SinkingIsland 21.12.2017 00:59 |
We all have something good in common here, so why not be kind to one another? Well said, Thor! |
SinkingIsland 21.12.2017 01:10 |
Do either of you, Thor or Lee, remember the number of the co-op in The Soverign or at least what floor? I just read it has 48 floors and it's an impressive looking building. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 01:22 |
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thundergod 21.12.2017 01:26 |
SinkingIsland, I believe it was on either 46th or 47th floor. I'm sure he would have preferred the penthouse, but it was occupied and not for sale. |
SmokyQuartz 21.12.2017 02:14 |
Sorry Thor, I didn't make it clear why I quoted you. I was just picking up and expanding on the subject of not being able to let things go that you'd mentioned in that quote. I'm totally in agreement with your position over the fighting that's been going on. Villiers, thanks. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 02:57 |
Sounds good Smokey! |
thundergod 21.12.2017 03:34 |
Hey Katydyd, Regarding Freddie being bored easily: As far as I've seen, this is 100% true. He was very much the hyperactive type of person. Sometimes, when there was a lull in our conversation, I would thank God Kathleen was there to keep him continually entertained. It took pressure off of me and enabled me to come up with even more entertainment and funny stories, even about the hospital I was currently working. Nothing funny about kids dying of cancer, but there was plenty of funny stories about the staff. In one of our visits to London, I remember telling a funny story about the San Diego hospital I was working in. For example... it was dinner time and because the room the nurse was in was close to the nurses station, so I heard every word of the following conversation: A very old lady said to the nurse, "What's for dinner dear?" The nurse answered , "Fish" "What honey, I can't hear you." to which the nurse shouted FISH" "Sorry dear, what is it?" The nurse opened the tray and displayed the fish. The lady finally said, "Oh hamburger" Freddie laughed hysterically and it's a hard story to tell with out laughing yourself. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 03:51 |
captainjory, Freddie did not often have long 1 on 1 conversations, except when it came to MEN!.He considered me an authority on the gay community and would ask for advice i.e. "Should I go after him", "Do you think he is goodlooking? " I never lied to placate him. I mostly would have to say, well he's a little heavy, not my type" to which Freddie replied "He's for me darling, not YOU." We would laugh and laugh. Now, the Uncle Charlies bartender, Ray, that I fixed him up with was drop dead gorgeous. He also always wanted to know what the best club or bar that had recently opened was.and any exceptional private parties happening in Greenwich Village. He always trusted my judgement. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 03:56 |
Hi Darren_1977, My group of friends were kind of left out of all of the Germany days. He probably would have felt uncomfortable about the old friends meeting the new friends. I think he realized the ice thrown our way from Peter Straker, et. al. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 03:59 |
I will try to answer all the questions from pg. 30 and 31 tomorrow. My arthritic fingers want to escape from the keyboard right now. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 03:59 |
I'm hoping that Lee might be available to help me. |
YAWN 21.12.2017 04:00 |
Thor, that's awesome! I have always wondered if I would share the same sense of humor as Freddie. Could I have made him laugh...that story about the fish cracked me up and it's good to know he found that funny- it's just my type of humor! |
Blenkolove 21.12.2017 04:17 |
So.....i think this was mentioned on Thor's previous thread??? And I can't remember who or how it was brought up (shoot! I can hardly remember what I had for dinner last night...ugh) but I just Ordered Struwwelpeter for my granddaughter!!!! I've been a bookworm all my life....and it appears my granddaughter is one too!! And of all the things I bought her for Christmas.....i may be Most excited about this story!!!!! I grew up with Hans Christian Anderson, The brother's Grimm, Aesop's Fables, Miss PiggleWiggle, The Hobit...and So much more!! But I never knew of this tale until Thor's forum!! So a BIG TY to those that mentioned it. Which leads me to wonder....If Freddie had a Favorite childhood book or fable????? Maybe Kash would know.....does anyone on this forum have communication w/her?????? |
YAWN 21.12.2017 04:49 |
To answer your question blenk, in the 70s he filled out a fan club questionnaire. He was asked what his favorite book was. He said Peter Rabbit. I like his answer to 'What's your dream?' "To remain the divine lush creature that I am." How camp! And yes, it was filled out by his own hand. So for those who aren't familiar with his handwriting in the 70s, have a look. Pretty cool. |
YAWN 21.12.2017 04:52 |
But according to Peter, the only thing he ever saw Freddie read entirely from front to back were the little books in New York that listed all the gay clubs and discos around the area. Thor, maybe you remember those. Freddie himself said he didn't read very often. He wasn't one to pick up books. I don't think he was patient enough to read a novel. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 04:59 |
Villiers, Yes that's true, but in New York as a bartender, I had the latest, greatest information. No need for the Bob Damron guide. |
Dustin Zimmerman 21.12.2017 05:02 |
Villiers! Under "special talent" he wrote "pouncing and poovery"! L O L I googled it and it means "male homosexuality". It's a term used in England. I'm laughing so hard lol. He was so outrageous. He came out on this questionnaire on the down low and nobody noticed LOL |
thundergod 21.12.2017 05:03 |
Benkolove, Wow, that is excellent. I hope you will read it to her. My sister and I remember the name as Strubbelpeter but we must not remember correctly, because even the spell check says Struwwelpeter...LOL |
YAWN 21.12.2017 05:06 |
Maybe Peter meant he read it before he met you, Thor. Its in his book. But yes, I too would be using you for knowledge about the community at the time. The internet wasn't a thing back then so if you wanted to be where the party was, you needed friends who were on the know! I'm so glad he had you guys. Sounds like Peter had his share of fun with you all too! |
YAWN 21.12.2017 05:08 |
Dustin Z omg i forgot about that lol. My friend from England brought it up once and I had to Google it too! |
thundergod 21.12.2017 05:29 |
That's hilarious Dustin, thank you. |
Blenkolove 21.12.2017 05:31 |
Villiers, Ahh Yes....the Spartacus Guide!! Thanks for Freddie"s Questionnaire....that's Really cool!! I believe Freddie was always telling us in one way or another about his true self.....always in our Face....so obvious we missed it!! That was a small part of his GENIUS....And what I love n admire about him most!!!!!! |
thundergod 21.12.2017 05:44 |
HaHa, there were two books, Spartacus guide (helpful in non-US/Canadian places) and Bob Damron for more accurate, up to date locations in the US and Canada. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 05:49 |
Don't worry pg 30 and 31. Some questions are multiple and if I go back a page to check for more, I lose what I have written in this box. So it is more difficult. i'll try to tackle it tomorrow. |
Rainbow61 21.12.2017 05:53 |
Hey Thor, Just wondering...does arthritis run in your family or do you think yours is related to your work? |
Rainbow61 21.12.2017 05:58 |
Villiers, Thanks for the fan club questionnaire. That was a lot of fun to read. For his weight Freddie put 8.5 stones. I had to use a conversion calculator I found online to figure out what that was...about 119 pounds. I know he was fairly slender, but wow, that seems pretty light! |
Rainbow61 21.12.2017 06:38 |
Thor and Lee, Do you recall what you did the last time you were with Freddie in NYC? Did you know it was your last get-together at the time? |
thundergod 21.12.2017 06:39 |
Hey Rainbow, My great grandmother had severe crippling osteoarthritis. My maternal grandmother died at an early age. My mother was spared this, but she was NOT spared from Parkinson's. I have it worst in most of my knuckles on both hands and my left knee. I had a knee replacement 10 years ago My right knee did not act up until this past July and my left shoulder has acted up in October. My sister has it in both knees (with replacements) and both of her knuckles. Just about the same time I felt it in my left shoulder, so did she. Genetic?...yes, unfortunately! |
thundergod 21.12.2017 06:50 |
Oh yes Rainbow, Lee and I were kind of distraught. Joe and John to a lesser degree because they both were pursuing their 1983 boyfriends. Freddie explain it to us as his time in New York was over because citizen and tax requirements in the UK. Had Freddie stayed, I think we would not have made the decision to move to San Diego. Without Freddie and Phoebe and with Joe and John never seeming to be available anymore for us, we knew the fabulous SIX would be dissolved. California was the best option to find new friendships and perhaps lovers. It worked out well for us. |
Rainbow61 21.12.2017 07:06 |
Thor, Gosh, that sounds quite painful! I greatly appreciate all the typing you do to keep up with these questions considering how uncomfortable it is. I type very slowly...I can't imagine the glacial pace I would post on this thread if I typed with arthritic knuckles! Are you thinking of getting the right knee replaced as well? |
Rainbow61 21.12.2017 07:23 |
Thor, Just to clarify, my last comment "that sounds painful" was in reference to the arthritis! Even with arthritic knuckles, you still respond much faster than I do! In regards to Freddie moving...thanks for sharing how that impacted you. Goodbyes are always so difficult. It seems like that couple of years with Freddie was a magical time of fun and friendship. Did you get the sense that this was difficult for Freddie also, or did he tend to keep his feelings inside? |
miraclesteinway 21.12.2017 08:07 |
Hi guys, I've been admiring this thread from afar, because I've been backed up with the lurgy and sleeping a lot this week, and because I was in London last week to see the Q+AL show at the O2 (which I unashamedly LOVED). Thor - that thing about Freddie not wanting to be called Fred is interesting. I'd read it before that he hated being called Fred, but Brian May frequently refers to him as Fred. Perhaps this is because before he was famous he was known as Fred Bulsara, and I'm almost certain that I saw on "The Untold Story" a painting or something signed "Fred Bulsara". I guess if you meet someone who refers to themselves as one name for a few years and then changes their name, sometimes it's difficult not to revert back to the name you originally knew them as. I must confess I've had to apologise to a couple of transgender friends of mine for using the pronouns I formerly knew them by, automatically (I know Freddie wasn't trans, but there was the transition if you like between Farokh, Fred, and Freddie. Perhaps there was even Frederick in there somewhere - I wonder if Mrs Bulsara called him Farokh until the end?). The other interesting and lovely thing in this thread is that it's clear now to everyone reading that Freddie was unashamedly gay, and out of the closet, in his personal life. Disregarding the fact that the public weren't told (and it's none of their business), it's great to know that Freddie lived knowing there was nothing to be ashamed of and that it's completely natural. To be fair that was one thing that Brian May said on TV the week after Freddie died - the question was something like, "what do you hope people learn from his death, Brian?" and Brian said something like "that there's nothing wrong with being gay". So obviously in his professional circle it was something that he didn't hide either. Elton John said he came out as bisexual because it was simply easier than saying he was gay, somehow it would be more acceptable if people thought he was just kind of experimenting. At the time he made that remark he was free to say what he wanted of course. We live in very different times now here in the west where largely we are able to come out without too many repercussions. Of course there are still problems in families which is always a very sad situation, and the political climate has lurched quite far to the right in recent years even in what we thought was liberal Britain (In 1997 Britain was portrayed as the coolest, most liberal place on earth. In 2017 it's.... a bit different, sort of like 1977 with the racism but not so homophobic). Freddie Mercury was never going to be revealed as an uncomplicated character, but the fact that he was Indian, gay, born an immigrant in Zanzibar, died an immigrant in London, and somehow in between those two points became the most revered rock musician of the late 20th Century is still pretty unfathomable. There are people who are born into the industry who can't do what he did. I do have one question. The others in the band seem to be more inside the industry - more in touch with what others are doing in the rock and pop scene, they have friends who are also rock musicians etc, but Freddie seemed to be an outsider. Have I got that right? |
thundergod 21.12.2017 13:37 |
Hi Obsidianwillow and welcome to the thread, I did not meet Freddie until 1980 .Lee met him in 1981 Neither of us would be the ones to comment on things from the early years. Some of our members know everything there is to know about Freddie throughout his life. Hopefully one will answer that question from pg 32.for you. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 13:39 |
Correction: Page 41...sorry. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 13:50 |
Obsidianwillow, Regarding the Garden Lodge videos:I only found out about these tapes recently from a participant on my old thread. I think they are a hoot. Sometimes the amateur video is too dark, but you still get the idea. The highlight was the Garden outdoor lunch where inside furniture and table settings were put outside. It was so wonderfully done by all the staff / friends of the Garden Lodge.. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 14:07 |
Correction: Change page 41 to 31.on the Obsidianwillow reply above. .I hate typos! |
Katydyd5 21.12.2017 14:19 |
Thanks so much for answering so many questions! This has become my new favorite stop online, well, after my addiction to FB. Sorry to hear about your arthritis Thor. I've had both knees replaced and they are great! I'm about to have a quick eye surgery to support an orbital fracture, so I'll be bionic before long. Life is still great, no matter what! At some point Lee mentioned that Freddie came to blows with Paul Prenter, and also shared the "hot food" story. I've read that Freddie could exhibit quite the temper, but I wasn't aware that he could get physical. Did you see the temper or the physical nature of anger/frustration often? This question is coming from someone who is no angel when provoked, though never physical. We are all human! Thanks also for answering the question about boredom and the need to keep moving. As a former teacher, I'm thinking I've seen a lot of kids like that over the years. I'm sure many of them grew up to be exceptional too. |
FlashElephant 21.12.2017 15:33 |
Captainjory is obviously refering to me as that Youtube commentator. Though she/he didn't even have the guts to use my name, only hinting who it could be. Should I take offence at your innuendo? First of all my writing style is no way near the style of that 753019 or whatever he is called. Secondly, I don't even have the same arguments as the YouTube commentator has and I have also asked here about some regular stuff. I just said that the YouTube commentator's point of view seems every day more understandable. His way of expressing himself maybe a bit rough, but I get his point. And my own argument was that this thread (or actually the previous one) is nothing like it was in the beginning. And others have said the same thing. At times it's not enjoyable to read. People who call themselves tolerant and call other people haters argue about everything and call people like Mary, Straker, Barbara whoever with all kind of ugly names. At the moment there are huge double standards in this thread. And like I said before who the hell is arguing with a straight (or a gay) face that Freddie wasn't gay? It's like saying water isn't wet or it's not cold in the south pole. And if some people don't buy any stories about uncle's or other relatives, well who can blame them! |
c.jory 21.12.2017 15:52 |
I merely thought it was a coincidence you both appeared at the same time. Calm yo tits. |
c.jory 21.12.2017 16:15 |
I am really nosy about what the fight was between Freddie and Paul Prenter! There are only a few times I've heard about him getting physical with other people, and it was mostly mutual. e.g Freddie and David Minns came to blows multiple times but frankly, they sound as bad as each other (Freddie socked him in the mouth after David smashed a clog over his head, which I shouldn't laugh about, but I do) Never read anything about him swinging punches unprovoked. Well, apart from the time he allegedly smashed a mirror over Pete Brown's head...aaaaand when he slapped a boy in school. So I'm interested. Also we all know Bill Reid bit him and was an angry sort of man, but did you ever see Freddie thump him back? Winnie and Tony Bastin were apparently violent/unpleasant to him too, so would you say he had bad taste in men or did he deliberately seek out volatile people for the thrill? It's well documented he would engineer conflict to get him fired up for a show. Sounds fucked up, but interesting all the same. |
Invisible Woman 21.12.2017 19:12 |
@Thor, Yes, that's exactly what I wanted to say, I believe what you say,what Peter Freestone say,what Jim Hutton said. But I think,if someone doesn't believe, let they believe in what they want. It's the choice of that persons. Someone mentioned comments from You Tube. I watched many of footage and read a lot of comments,there are very insulting comments, full of hate, about Jim. The other thing I noticed is that people who say that Freddie was bisexual and that Mary was his only and real love,as the greatest proof of the that is because she inherited the most of his wealth. For me that is no proof, on the contrary. I wonder what you think about this. What do you think, why his testament was so? Did you ever talk with him something about his will? Of course, I also want to read Lee's answer. Thanks. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 19:45 |
Flash Elephant, I'm glad you're enjoying the thread! |
thundergod 21.12.2017 19:57 |
Hey captainjory, I never witnessed Freddie being violent, but I saw the aftermath of it. Lee has a picture of the famous Hotel room in Vancouver B.C. with a champagne bottle smashed through the wall Freddie posed in this picture with a proud, big smile on his face. If Lee and I write a book, look for that picture...lol He had a quick temper but never toward his inner circle of friends. He usually saved that for anyone of his temporary lovers. As was stated many times, Freddie got creative energy after a "good" fight and almost thrived on it. |
Sheldon 21.12.2017 19:59 |
Thor, Lee, I have a rather difficult question. It is not by any means my intention to attack this thread. I've said before that this thread is simply fantastic and has brought so much joy to us fans. But do you think Freddie would be happy with stories about his personal life being discussed on a public forum online? If I have understood his character right from various documentaries and texts, he was a very private man. But now ordinary people, many of whom were not even born when he lived, can read about topics such as how he hooked up with guys, about his weaknesses and about various aspects of his life that were during his lifetime deliberately hidden from the fans. Perhaps his strive for privacy has been exaggerated? Perhaps if would be alive, he would tell us that he is fine with this thread (and still we could not be a 100% sure, because people often say that they are fine with something even if they are not)? |
c.jory 21.12.2017 20:04 |
OMFG I want to see that photo! I recently saw a copy of the tour manager's bill for that smashed up hotel room...nearly $900 for the wall to be plastered amongst other things. |
c.jory 21.12.2017 20:12 |
Sheldon, have you ever listened to the David Wigg tapes? Freddie was really open and frank in those, talking about how he was shit at relationships and admitting he was a big ho. Sometimes I wonder about the privacy too because sometimes he'd be open. Maybe he wanted the best of both worlds, to keep himself to himself yet also 'real' enough to make himself relatable to fans. It must have been a difficult balance. It's weird for, as cagey as he was over being in male relationships, he was always blurting out how promiscuous he was. E.g. Leiden 1984, he said sex was his hobby. 1982, he replied 'having a lot of sex' when asked what he'll be doing in 20 years time. And back to the Wigg tapes, he admitted he was 'very promiscuous', had slept with a lot of people around the world and had tired of it. So that part of him was definitely not hidden from fans. Just their gender really, but most people guessed anyway. Also Thor, I know you say you only saw the aftermath, but was Freddie retaliating with Bill? I can't imagine him not hitting him back. I mean, you would stick up for yourself and return blows wouldn't you? Well I would... |
thundergod 21.12.2017 20:43 |
Hi Invisible Woman, Oh NO, Freddie's Will was NEVER, EVER brought up. We had no business enquiring about that and he had no intent to share it with us. You are correct. There is no proof that Freddie continued a sexual relationship with Mary, but he trusted her above all. She knew him early on, spent a good deal of time working for him, including showing up at special events with him as a cover for his homosexuality and she was often his confident. A lifelong friend through thick and thin and a rock he could count on always was good reason to leave her a lot of his wealth- well perhaps not as much as she actually got. All that being said, I truly believe he would not have approved of her cutting herself off from his family, cutting herself off from his loyal fans. and sadly, the way she treated his in-house staff who besides her, were his closest and dearest friends. I did not know that Jim was hated. I can't imagine why. He provided love and comfort through the entire illness and that alone, in my understanding makes him a loyal (despite Freddies indiscretions), and giving individual, He kept the Garden Lodge property completely and perfectly landscaped which was such a tremendous source of peace and tranquility for Freddie, I think he was the absolute greatest partner for Freddie. Physically, he was very much Freddie's type. He had a modest upbringing, and a simplicity about him that Freddie loved. No, Jim should not be hated, he should be admired and THANKED for what he did for our Freddie! |
thundergod 21.12.2017 21:04 |
Hello Sheldon, I think Freddie would be VERY happy that this tribute forum, dedicated mostly to him, would be fine with him as long as he knew it was run by Kathleen and myself. We try to ignore and isolate certain haters and troublemakers and we try to keep it clean. Being gay should no longer be considered a flaw in one's personality profile. I think Michelangelo would be jealous that now he would not have to hide his homosexuality. Many creative and talented men are gay. Perhaps the more talented of us practiced the piano and listened to opera incessantly rather than playing or watching football incessantly. Lee and I mostly hope to reveal Freddie the man with his kindness, generosity, keen sense of humor and loyalty to his close friends. The fact that some people try to insult and degregate this thread is just part of having an open forum. I can hear Freddie say "oh Kathleen, oh Thor, thank you darlings for telling the story that could not have been said before. And darlings thank you for treating my fans so nicely and keeping them happy." |
thundergod 21.12.2017 21:12 |
Hey captainjory, I actually can't remember who was said to have thrown the champagne.They were both capable of it. I guess that it must have been Bill Reid, in Phoebe's book he describes the night that Bill appeared at his apartment in New York unexpected and banged on the door, breaking the view hole glass and shouting, "You won't get rid of ME, you won't get rid of me" |
Mr.Michael 21.12.2017 21:15 |
Thor, do you still remember how my question about Freddie's armpits was considered as disrespectful, really douchey and it was more or less the biggest disgrace of the first thread? To be brutally honest, I'd say it's not even top 50 material anymore. I have also a question. Do you have an estimate how many of the people you knew pretty well during '80-'83 later succumbed to aids? Freestone's book gave me the impression the number was pretty bad. Over 50%? Or even worse? |
thundergod 21.12.2017 21:17 |
Hi miraclesteinway, Nice to hear from you again. Yes, you are correct. Freddie left most of the business stuff to a few trusted friends like Mary and the other band members. BUT would always have the final say in any business transactions. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 21:26 |
Hey Mr. Michael, Yes, I certainly do remember you. As one of the first to make that kind of personal question about Freddie was NOT what I wanted to encourage. I apologize if maybe I came down too hard on you and that probably kept you away for continued participation. You are right, much worse has been since printed here. I still try to discourage it. Well, as all is forgiven, I sincerely hope that you give us another chance. Welcome back! |
thundergod 21.12.2017 21:32 |
Mr. Michael, As I worked in the gay bars and lived in New York's West Village, many, many of my more casual friends passed and three of my best friends also passed namely John Murphy, Joe Scardilli and Freddy Mercury. I would have to give you a high percentage rate of about 85%. By the time I left New York with Lee, there were few people to say goodbye to. Heartbreaking but true. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 21:35 |
LEE....WHERE ARE YOU? "You are conspicuous by your absence, darling" |
Sheldon 21.12.2017 21:44 |
captainjory wrote: Sheldon, have you ever listened to the David Wigg tapes? Freddie was really open and frank in those, talking about how he was shit at relationships and admitting he was a big ho. Sometimes I wonder about the privacy too because sometimes he'd be open. Maybe he wanted the best of both worlds, to keep himself to himself yet also 'real' enough to make himself relatable to fans. It must have been a difficult balance. It's weird for, as cagey as he was over being in male relationships, he was always blurting out how promiscuous he was. E.g. Leiden 1984, he said sex was his hobby. 1982, he replied 'having a lot of sex' when asked what he'll be doing in 20 years time. And back to the Wigg tapes, he admitted he was 'very promiscuous', had slept with a lot of people around the world and had tired of it. So that part of him was definitely not hidden from fans. Just their gender really, but most people guessed anyway. Also Thor, I know you say you only saw the aftermath, but was Freddie retaliating with Bill? I can't imagine him not hitting him back. I mean, you would stick up for yourself and return blows wouldn't you? Well I would...I think I've listened to some parts at least (Solo Collection, right?). Everything you say is true, but on the other hand, he gave much less interviews than other celebrities and if I have understood correctly, almost all of the information we have about his private life has been reported only after his death. |
thundergod 21.12.2017 21:49 |
I need to leave the thread from Dec. 22 until Dec. 28 or 29.to celebrate Christmas with Lee, Brandon and Chuck. Tonight I will be unavailable as I will be attending the San Diego Premier of "Call Me by Your Name" a highly acclaimed romance and love story of a younger boy (17) by his older male mentor (26) in 1980's Italy. I'll let you all know my opinion either after the movie or when I return at the end of December. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone. Enjoy yourselves! |
SmokyQuartz 21.12.2017 21:50 |
captainjory wrote: There are only a few times I've heard about him getting physical with other people, and it was mostly mutual. e.g Freddie and David Minns came to blows multiple times but frankly, they sound as bad as each other (Freddie socked him in the mouth after David smashed a clog over his head, which I shouldn't laugh about, but I do)captainjory, I read that David bashed Freddie's hand with the clog? Though my memory might not be correct. I laughed too because David wrote about it in a way that Freddie was so terrible, and yet he went first! And I can only imagine the pain from being hit on the hand by a clog, which could have ruined his piano playing as well. I think that David Minns was essentially a nice guy though, from the interviews and his writing. I got the impression it was two, young men, in a difficult situation with Freddie's career taking off and fame, etc. Not that it excuses either of them but it was not an ordinary situation. It made me laugh that the driver said he was always having to separate them, lol |
Sheldon 21.12.2017 21:55 |
thundergod wrote: Hello Sheldon, I think Freddie would be VERY happy that this tribute forum, dedicated mostly to him, would be fine with him as long as he knew it was run by Kathleen and myself. We try to ignore and isolate certain haters and troublemakers and we try to keep it clean. Being gay should no longer be considered a flaw in one's personality profile. I think Michelangelo would be jealous that now he would not have to hide his homosexuality. Many creative and talented men are gay. Perhaps the more talented of us practiced the piano and listened to opera incessantly rather than playing or watching football incessantly. Lee and I mostly hope to reveal Freddie the man with his kindness, generosity, keen sense of humor and loyalty to his close friends. The fact that some people try to insult and degregate this thread is just part of having an open forum. I can hear Freddie say "oh Kathleen, oh Thor, thank you darlings for telling the story that could not have been said before. And darlings thank you for treating my fans so nicely and keeping them happy."Thor, thank you for replying. I'm not really addressing the gay issue here, but the aspects of the man's private life in general. I remember reading somewhere here that Freddie was insecure when he had a crush on someone, for example, which was really cute and I loved reading this. I totally understand your point about him being thrilled that his story is told and I'm really happy that he is not forgotten in many ways and still in 2017 as relevant as ever. One topic that I have always thought should not be discussed in public is Freddie's last days/weeks and the health issues he was facing (or anyone's for that matter). This is the biggest reason why I think Jim's book is disgusting (same with some of Brian's comments). I have never read it, but it has been discussed and quoted here on QZ for years.We really should not know the embarrassing things that happened to the great man during his last days and we should certainly not be watching any private video tapes of him, even though he is in pretty good shape in the Garden Lodge tapes. However, if I see a link titled "Last Photo of Freddie Taken a Day Before He Died", I will click, because that's how most humans are, but nevertheless, that picture should not be made public. It is simply wrong. Same with some stories about whether he liked to be the mailman or the mailbox :D |
c.jory 21.12.2017 22:06 |
@SmokyQuartz In David Minns' book he just said he hit him with the shoe without specifying where, but Paul Prenter (in his Freddie betrayal expose) said he was hitting his head in a frenzy. (I no longer have the clipping that mentions it. Grrr.) I don't know which one to believe! It's hard to tell because so many tabloid stories twist words. But yeah there was another scene where Minns admitted launching an ashtray in Freddie's direction, that hit a window. But makes a big deal about Freddie hitting him with a candlestick! I agree, it was probably the wrong time for them to be together. What a situation though, with Freddie coming out at the same time he got really famous! A hot mess. It's kind of sad. You can see why they ended up that way. |
Ouzy 21.12.2017 22:24 |
Having been sitting back in the background reading this and the previous posts you have written. I'd like to thank you for your inside information into Freddie and your own life. I've found it all very interesting indeed. So thank you to you and to Lee for coming here and bringing a little Freddie facts in to all of our lives. I wish you a fantastic Christmas and New Year and I am so glad to read what a great friend Freddie had in you. :-) take care and see you here in 2018 |
noorie 21.12.2017 22:27 |
Thor and Lee, thank you so much for sharing your amazing time with Freddie with all of us. That is so very kind of you, and a pleasure for us. I wish both of you and all the wonderful QZers here a very happy Christmas and holiday season! |
SmokyQuartz 21.12.2017 22:56 |
captainjory.....Paul said David was hitting Freddie in a frenzy? Or the other way around? I don't think, from David's description it would have been Freddie, but just thought I'd check |
SmokyQuartz 21.12.2017 23:03 |
Thor, have a great Christmas! :-) |
YAWN 21.12.2017 23:05 |
About David Minns...to be fair, Freddie did put him through plenty of unnecessary crap to make him jealous and feel left out. Let's not forget how unpleasant Freddie could be. David shouldn't have hit Freddie, though. I just understand why he was upset and I do have a soft spot for the guy seeing as he was one of the only people with the guts to talk about Freddie from a realistic (and not always flattering) angle. Peters book was excellent and honest, but Minnsy's extra information really helped me to get a clearer picture of the man. Neither of them were free of sin but if I were in David's shoes, I think I'd feel the same way he did. I did feel that although he was angry with Freddie at the end of their relationship (what, with Freddie cheating and all lol), he still cared about him. Another thing I relate to. My ex husband and I can't stand each other but I still worry about him and I still love him. Minnsy and Freddie were able to become friends again toward the end of Freddie's life. I hope I can do the same with my ex someday. |
YAWN 21.12.2017 23:13 |
I know which Prenter thing CJ is referring to and it did say Minnsy had hit him multiple times. Minnsy did admit to hitting him, but as far as David going full ham sandwich on him with a shoe (lol), I wouldn't take Paul Prenters word for it. Paul had a way of exaggerating the truth and not being entirely honest (the time he came to Freddie claiming to have been mugged in NY and needed a few thousand bucks comes to mind). I figure Minnsy already admitted to hitting Freddie. He was already in the wrong for it, I don't see why he'd bother to lie about the number of times he hit him lol. But we'll never know! |
c.jory 21.12.2017 23:13 |
SmokyQuartz wrote: captainjory.....Paul said David was hitting Freddie in a frenzy? Or the other way around? I don't think, from David's description it would have been Freddie, but just thought I'd checkDavid hitting Freddie. Still laughing at the image |
YAWN 21.12.2017 23:13 |
And have a great holiday, Thor and Lee! |
YAWN 21.12.2017 23:16 |
CJ me too low-key lol |
SmokyQuartz 21.12.2017 23:23 |
Agree on all points Villiers. I like David, from what I've seen and read. Clearly Freddie did too when he called him up for, I think it was his 40th birthday party. I'm glad they were able to have peaceful times at the end of Freddie's life. Thanks CJ for reply, I had no idea of Paul's description of events. |
Catus 22.12.2017 03:57 |
Hi Thor and Lee, Merry Christmas! I hope you guys have a great holiday. Thank you so much for sharing all these amazing stories with us! And Merry Christmas everyone! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 22.12.2017 04:11 |
Hiiiiiiiiiii Where the HELL have I been? Couple of things.... I'm im full holiday work mode.....extra hours, extra shifts, extra crazy. I'll be catching up over the next couple of days, but the last few pages have been much more fun than the beginning of the week. I will ALWAYS be M I A when that arguing is going on, and it's time consuming reading through that babble. I read through it to convince myself I am right about those people, and to make sure I don't miss anything from good people. I agree with everything Thor said on that subject, and I wish they would go away. Thor has been handling the heavy lifting for the last couple of days, and I promise I will catch up. I'm going to reread the last few pages and take notes tomorrow, to make sure I cover all of the questions. Thor I apologize.......I have been meaning to text you to tell you my whereabouts, but time has gotten away from me. Til tomorrow night.........Happy Everything |
SinkingIsland 22.12.2017 05:41 |
I'm glad to see you have returned, Lee. You and Thor have been so amazing to all of us. Happy Everything to you, too! |
Rainbow61 22.12.2017 06:25 |
Thor and Lee, A blessed and very Merry Christmas to you both and to all other Queenzone folk. For those who don't celebrate Christmas, a peaceful and joy-filled December to you! |
Blenkolove 22.12.2017 22:53 |
Thor, Lee, and ALL QZ Friends, May everyone have a Safe, Happy and Healthy Christmas/Holiday ....w/Loads of Peace, Love and the warm company of family, friends n beloved furbabies!!! May there be Peace on Earth and Goodwill to mankind!! ......time to go catch up on all those Christmas movies I've been longing to watch!! |
Katydyd5 23.12.2017 01:09 |
Thor, I will be most interested to hear from you about Call Me By Your Name. I've read great reviews and have it on my Netflix list though I will have to wait for a while for it to be released through that medium. I'd like to see it in the theater, but my only hope in my area is that it might appear in the art theater downtown in the university district. Lee, I was glad to see you make an appearance again. You were missed! Wishing everyone a great Christmas and New Years. My family can't all be together for Christmas until the 31st, so it keeps catching me by surprise that it is this week for everyone else! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 23.12.2017 03:52 |
Hi All Gonna try and catch up here.... Gonna just ramble and see what comes up. If I miss someone's question, please ask again. I'm sorta brain dead from the holidays..HA! Thor's explanation to dating girls and being gay in the sixties is great. You were considered a nice guy if you didn't push the girls into something. WHEW....we had an out. MY problem is that I had a girl friend through Freshman year in college, and then another one my junior and senior year......where I remained a gentleman and didn't push. AHEM I was president of the Music Fraternity on campus, and they were SO concerned about bringing considered wimps, that they over compensated, and tried to act like a bunch of jocks.........try being president of THAT when you're in the closet. The hazing was right up there with the hardest on campus, and BOY did that suck trying to get into that group, but I managed. I came out just before graduation, to my first lover Alan, and spent Graduate school telling everyone I knew that I was gay. Everyone was kinda "tell us something we DON'T know"........duh. NO FRATERNITY BROTHERS WERE TOLD. HA! Sheldon........I think its thoughtful of you to wonder what Freddie's feelings would be about our story telling. I agree with Thor. One thing comes to mind. I don't remember the exact conversation, but once when I was taking pictures of an outing or an evening we we having, Freddie turned to me and said something along the lines of sharing the photos I was taken, but don't give them away. LOL NOW what do I do........ I have only seen one of the Garden Lodge You tube Videos........I guys I have some homework to do. I mean I was THERE, but I don't remember there being anything to personal being shown. Maybe Freddie smoking and relaxed? Works for me. I'll check them out. Freddie being violent?.......hhhhmmm......he certainly would not have been at a loss for words when confronted, and he sure could get mad when Bill was acting up, but that Vancouver hotel thing was a doozy. I told this story in the last thread, I think. We arrived at Freddie's hotel suite in the morning, not knowing what had happened, and Phoebe opened the door a crack. We heard Freddie say "let them in...they're family". THEN we saw what had happened to the room. Someone here mentioned a $900 bill for plastering.........I'm sure that was a fraction of the cost for repairs. Freddie told us what happened and then posed for some photos amidst the mess. Bill had already been sent on his way, and Mother and Daughters went off to continue the fun on our "West for A Birthday" visit. We had joined the group, and toured for a week with the band on the Lisa Marie. L.A., San Francisco, Vancouver, and Phoenix, and I think its fun that we have a story for each city..........LOL.......lots of stories.........many that you "had to be there", and many that I think would translate to clearly a good time being had by all. Though we were formally introduced to the band, and they were TOTALLY gracious any time they saw us, we never met Freddie's parents. That would have been a treat. I believe we met the significant others of the band members as they were on the Lisa Marie with us. The front section of the Lisa Marie was left in tact as First Class, and that's where Brian, Roger, and John put themselves, with their other halves while the six of us were in the back with Freddie and Phoebe. We had most of the plane......the middle section being a long and conference area, an the back of the plane was a bedroom with a QUEEN sized bed. I have given this description before, but I'm repeating myself for the sake of newcomers, and to give kudos to the band for letting us have the run of the plane. Those guys were amazing to be so giving to Freddie's buds. We were treated like KINGS by Queen. Freddie's Co-op was on the 43rd Floor of the Sovereign......a luxury high rise on 58th St......... 425, East 58th Street........not sure there was an apartment number as I think there were only two units on each floor.....A and B maybe? I remember arriving home one morning round 5:00 A.M., and entering the building going past the front desk, security, and the door man. They had huge grins on their face, totally appreciated our party stamina, and gave us a warm welcome. Several of us were in Black leather jackets, and we had had a GREAT evening....... You can see the blueprint of the Co-Op easily by googling it. I think I'm repeating myself again here, but someone asked about it. The photos you might see of the apartment are from after the makeover after Freddie sold the place. I have photos of the main room which gives you an idea of the feel of the place. GORGEOUS !!!!!! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 23.12.2017 04:14 |
I'm back.....needed a breather...........and a scotch....LOL Was Freddie easily bored? I don't think bored is the right word, but he DID like to have things going on. He would be very excited when he talked about a plan he had for an adventure, and the adventures were always fun. When we visited in June of 91, he had quieted down a bit for obvious reasons. One afternoon, Thor and Brandon went out on the town to spend some time together and "sort themselves out" which Freddie had sent them off to do. They were at that point, it turned out, transitioning form a boy friend relationship to a life partner relationship, which they continue to this day, and it is VERY enviable. Bravo guys!!!! Freddie and I relaxed in the TV/lounge area and just chatted.......a serious, fun, funny, psychological, examining, exchange of thoughts, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Delilah was with us, but chose to not interrupt as the adults were in heavy conversation. BUT......the early 80"s as Thor pointed out, was a different story. Chat was always energetic and fun and filled with laughs. Not that Freddie wouldn't take seriously, any issue we might be having with work or family.....he was always very kind that way. He was always a friend when called upon. In closing tonight, as my eyes are bleary, I wanna say one thing. I appreciate the gay or not gay subject is part of knowing Freddie, and I think that the consensus here is that people on this thread get it. Thor's analogy was GREAT. If someone said that Freddie hated cats, but those closest to him said he adored them........to whom would you listen.? We knew Freddie for the last 11 years of his life. We went out with him a LOT. We saw who he was interested in a LOT. Perhaps threads like this will help the haters of gay people realize what his story was. I met Freddie in the fall of 80.........I was away with a performing job during the summer of 80 when the Anvil encounter, and Thor's trip to Philadelphia took place, but I was brought into the fold in the fall when I returned, and it was a ride of a life time that I will never forget. Our last night together, in 84? as I recall, was a dinner at a place called Joanne's in.........Chelsea?.....Murray Hill? It was a difficult evening, as we didn't know when our paths would cross again. Wembley Concert was the next stop!!!!!! Stay tuned. Happy Holidays All, and God Bless. Talk to you next week. God Bless and Happy EVERYTHING, and every day. |
SinkingIsland 23.12.2017 05:01 |
Wow! This is amazing. I can't get over it. Thanks, Lee! Thank you both for gifting the fans with your memories. Happy Holidays to all on QZ! |
Katydyd5 23.12.2017 13:40 |
Thanks Lee for so many details. This thread is such a gift. |
Catus 23.12.2017 15:27 |
Lee, these stories are so precious and wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing them! |
SmokyQuartz 24.12.2017 00:41 |
Lee, love these stories too! Thanks for sharing and I will stay tuned. Wishing you and all Queenzone members a happy holiday period and for those celebrating Christmas, a very merry one. :-) |
smilefairyqueen 24.12.2017 08:17 |
What other funny moments/quotes can you remember from Freddie? Or memories you have of hanging out with him backstage, at Garden Lodge, or in New York City? I love hearing personal anecdotes from people that knew him. What was backstage like? Were you introduced to the roadies? Did Freddie ever mention his childhood to you? Sorry for all of the questions. |
pittrek 24.12.2017 09:36 |
Am I the only one who is absolutely DISGUSTED by this type of threads? |
Saint Jiub 24.12.2017 19:00 |
What is disgusting? Phoebe's books? There is no disrespect from the Thor and Lee, and certainly nothing disgusting from them. It is certainly better than gossip from any British tabloid. Except for a few interlopers, gay bashing is not the intent of this thread. Do we really need to be politically correct for Freddie? Is Freddie's family offended?. Jeez .. its been 25 years since he died. |
SmokyQuartz 24.12.2017 19:54 |
I suggest Ignore and Isolate anyone who throws inflammatory statements into this thread without concrete examples of what their gripe is. Lee has said he'll stay away every time there is arguing. Personally I think adults should be able to have a debate without it turning into a meaningless fight. |
Saint Jiub 24.12.2017 22:24 |
pittrek is predominantly a good poster on Queenzone. I suspect he equates this thread to a British tabloid, and sees this thread as nothing more than.gossip. I disagree, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. |
SmokyQuartz 24.12.2017 23:55 |
I agree everyone is entitled to an opinion, but to carry any weight, surely it needs to be backed up with a reason / example.. Pittrek, sorry if I jumped the gun, but you might see that earlier it was felt the best thing to do for negative posts was to ignore and isolate. That's obviously not the case with genuine discussion, but there were some bizarre posts earlier. |
Saint Jiub 25.12.2017 00:53 |
Happy Holidays ... from Calling All Girls (Hoffman Estates IL 1982) Peace on earth goodwill to the real girls |
matt z 25.12.2017 04:29 |
pittrek wrote: Am I the only one who is absolutely DISGUSTED by this type of threads?Not really. The thread is very well intentioned but tends to get side tracked by cattiness and derision and occasional butt kissing. I'm thankful these two fellas have volunteered their time to express responses and opinions on matters. I understand the music fan would see a lot of this as inconsequential, there have been many positive revelations from Thor and Kathleen....I'm thankful for the posts, haven't gathered my thoughts well enough to posit useful questions right now. Feel free to contribute pittrek. Maybe there are instances about the creationif certain works that could have some light shed upon Once again. Thanks, Thor and Kathleen! |
raucousmonster 26.12.2017 00:31 |
Hi guys, still lurking away in the background and wanted to send out some love and thanks for the continued stories. Despite some of the less welcome exchanges that have been clogging things up here from time to time. Don't be discouraged by the rants and ravings of the few - keep up the great work! And happy Christmas! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 26.12.2017 01:54 |
Thank you Matt and Raucous. Very thoughtful of you. Thor’s picking me up in 10. We’re on our way out for some holiday cheer. Been working all day. I’m fried. LOL |
Sheldon 26.12.2017 11:44 |
Thank you for taking your time to respond to all questions, guys! Here's something that I think has not been asked in either of the threads: link This is the Live Aid finale with everyone singing Do They Know It's Christmas (I wonder why I stumbled upon this song today...:D). I've always felt that Freddie looked like an almost total outsider in this performance. Especially towards the end he tries to interact with McCartney, but time after time there is no reaction from Paul. This has been discussed before on this forum and the reasons to Paul's cold behavior might be the following: 1) Queen performed in Sun City in 1984 and other musicians were very very angry with this. 2) Queen just stole the show at Live Aid and the big stars were not happy. 3) Paul simply doesn't notice Freddie. Also, during the whole performance Freddie looked really out-of-place. Perhaps he was shy and did not feel comfortable in such a large group of people? Did Freddie ever talk about Live Aid or the other artists involved or how he felt in situations similar to this? |
YAWN 26.12.2017 19:42 |
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c.jory 26.12.2017 20:53 |
Lol Villiers, you selling any? ;-) All I got Queen-wise was a calendar. Pffft. Everyone's sick of my obsession, they won't get me anything... |
YAWN 26.12.2017 21:04 |
CJ you know I got you! And I'll toss some 'strange American snacks' in there too lol |
Blenkolove 26.12.2017 22:43 |
Nice Christmas haul!!! I ordered myself Messengers of the Gods!!! Does anybody know what Peter Freestone's Second book is called???? I can't seem to find it on amazon?! ....or Phoebe's website. 'Hope all had Amazing n Restful holiday!! |
YAWN 26.12.2017 23:28 |
Blenk Here: link |
Blenkolove 26.12.2017 23:48 |
Oh Snap!! Thank you Villiers!! ;) |
Rainbow61 26.12.2017 23:50 |
Sheldon, I have watched that finale performance many times and I am always left with the same thought while viewing..."Could someone PLEASE hand Freddie the microphone?" I'm frustrated every time I watch it! |
c.jory 27.12.2017 00:10 |
Villiers wrote: This year's Christmas haul brought in 3 extra copies of Queen Unseen, 2 copies of Peter Freestone's 'Freddie Mercury', 2 more copies of Freddie Mercury: A Life In Pictures (bringing me to 4 now lol), 3 more copies of News of the world and an Innuendo, original first pressing I think my family knows I'm a Queen fan lol Hope everyone had a great Christmas! Lee, Thor mentioned a leather jacket you guys bought Freddie one Christmas. Do you have pics of him opening it? From the way Thor described it, it could have been one of the jackets he wore on stage over the years after that*holds hands out for a copy of NOTW* PS Hope everyone on the thread had a good Xmas! |
c.jory 27.12.2017 00:14 |
RE: Freddie at Live Aid singing the Xmas song. Lol at him clapping out of time and when he finally gets to the mic, he's louder than the others! Always somehow standing out. |
Catus 27.12.2017 03:15 |
Wow, Villiers, that's quite a load of Queen presents! But I've got Brian's "Queen in 3D". and I'm happy as a child! |
SinkingIsland 27.12.2017 06:22 |
Villiers... The book is link. FREDDIE MERCURY - What He Left Behind: The Story of What Happened after the death of Freddie Mercury Kindle Edition by David Evans (Author),? Peter Freestone (Author). Happy Holidays! |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.12.2017 13:25 |
Sinkingisland that's what villers posted lol. When I click on their link it brings me to a page that lets me download a sample or buy it |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.12.2017 13:31 |
Actually I think the link sinkingisland posted was for something else...I tried it and it just says sorry the page can't be completed. Maybe the link doesn't work for the US? The book is out of print so I would just use the link villers posted if you want to find Peters second book. You can get it through there for less than 3 dollars. |
SinkingIsland 27.12.2017 22:33 |
So sorry! It looks like I may have been Xanax posting after bedtime. The e-book was all I could find. It's available on iBooks and Kindle (United States). It was originally called, Freddie Mercury - The Afterlife. No offense to anyone else (or embarrassment to myself) intended. I messed up. |
Rainbow61 29.12.2017 01:11 |
Hi Thor and Lee, I hope you both had a wonderful Christmas! As New Year's Eve is coming up, I was wondering if you have any memories of celebrating with Freddie...like going to Times Square? |
thundergod 29.12.2017 20:23 |
Hello all, I am back from an outstanding, bright, warm and sunny Christmas in Palm Springs. I got to spend time with all of my three long-term friends. As a matter of fact, I enjoyed it so much that I've cancelled my New Years plans in San Diego and am returning to Palm Springs tomorrow afternoon. I spent a lot of time with Lee going through his photos and slides and I could not believe how many wonderful shots that I had completely forgotten about. A whole bunch of never seen before pictures of Freddie, the friend, as opposed to Freddie, the Rockstar. He looks like he is really enjoying himself in every shot! It's truly a treasure. Thank you Lee for meticulously preserving these gems. So, that brings me to the good news and the bad news- We have decided to go ahead with the book, overloaded with photos and written content!!!!!! Lee has so little time available and we have made a deadline for ourselves of coordinating it's release with the upcoming Bohemian Rhapsody movie. Therefore, due to the work involved in this project by two non-novelists, we feel we should end this thread. I attracted Lee to this thread based on my description of how much fun and informative my old thread was. In these 37 pages, the trolls and those that make "free speech" arguments in their defense is NOT FUN for him as I had promised. What we would like to do, as an option, is accept PMs by our friends ..and YOU know who you are. No NEW PMs will be considered, and any changed user names will not be considered. I know that Shivili, Stop the Madness and pittrek will probably want to congratulate us on the upcoming book, but OH WELL. Someone should make them look at ALL the photos of the book when it is available!!...LOL So, thanks to the 94% of good minded people here and on the old thread. expressing their ideas civilly and thoughtfully. To the haters and the nasty Freddie revisers., sorry, you will have to BUY the book to complain and bitch about it |
thundergod 29.12.2017 20:47 |
P.S. The new book will have many of the photos from the original slide show that Freddie requested us to bring to our farewell in London, in June of 1981. It is no wonder that he loved this show so much that he requested it for our good-bye to him. No sadness, no regrets, just great memories of fun as just one of the normal boys in our group of friends. AND, laughter, and more laughter so close to the end. God bless Lee's lighted fruit hat. There is a GREAT picture of it coming soon to a bookstore near you...LOL |
Rainbow61 29.12.2017 21:50 |
Hi Thor and Lee, Well this has been an amazing ride....so grateful for all your time and energy over these months. I will enjoy rereading many of these posts and I am beyond EXCITED about your forthcoming book. I was keeping my fingers crossed you guys would attempt this project...So glad it is happening! There is nothing I would enjoy more than getting in line at a bookstore someday, walking up to the table where you guys are sitting, and handing you your book that I just purchased saying "Hi, It's Rainbow 61... would you please sign this for me?" Okay...I most definitely would want to sneak in a big hug as well. :) Best wishes to you both and a fond farewell! |
SmokyQuartz 29.12.2017 21:58 |
Wonderful news about the book, Thor and Lee! I would like to pre-order now, lol. Seriously, I will be looking out for it and will be buying it. I will be sad to see this thread close, but understand that change happens. It's crossed my mind that there may be some other medium online for talking as a group that will exclude trolls and haters....and where you can pop in when you feel like it, without any pressure to answer every question...but I personally don't know of what that could be. Just a thought though. For now, so long...I may send a pm in the New Year to wish you both well and cheer you along with the book! Best wishes for a great New Year celebration! |
thundergod 29.12.2017 22:07 |
Rainbow61, SmokyQuartz, You are definitely TWO of the friends for PMs that I mentioned, both for myself and Lee. HaHa...is there such a thing as a NO HATER forum...I think not...LOL |
Katydyd5 29.12.2017 22:09 |
Thor and Lee, thanks so much for the time and openness you shared here. It has been so much fun and I am grateful I found this thread when I did. I'm so excited about the book and I will definitely be buying a copy. It sounds like it is exactly the format I hoped it would be. SmokyQuartz, as far as another medium online that could be exclusive, I know you can form invite only groups on FaceBook. I am in two, both political. I don't know how to create a closed group, and I don't know how many people here are on FB, but it might be worth thinking about. Hmmmmm though..........I don't know how we'd even locate each other because I use my real name on FB and only created Katydyd for QZ. I'd be open to any thoughts. While I am disappointed to see this group end, I do understand. It has become my first stop when I am online, and I'm grateful for the friends I"ve made here. Thor and Lee, you will be missed. |
c.jory 29.12.2017 22:10 |
Good luck with the book guys! Like others, I'm sad that you're going, but as a writer myself, I know you have to kind of isolate yourself from social media a bit to get things done. It takes dedication and willpower to complete something like that. I hope my stuff is written by the time of the biopic too (it's kind of Freddie related as well!) Don't be surprised if I message you sometimes though! I'm a really nosy person so I'd want to know how everything's going! |
c.jory 29.12.2017 22:13 |
I was gonna say a private Facebook group would be a good idea too. I run a few, so if anyone needs advice making one... Also you'd have full control to boot haters out |
thundergod 29.12.2017 22:21 |
captainjory and Katydyd, You both are another two I'd love to hear from every once in a while via PM for now, in order to stay in touch! Thanks for all of your well wishes and kindness. Kindness is something Freddie really appreciated! I only wish I could introduce you to him today. |
YAWN 29.12.2017 22:25 |
So sad to see you guys go! I hope I'm on the list for PMs because I've still got questions and you know I love your answers! All the very best, Thor and Lee. We love ya! |
Katydyd5 29.12.2017 22:28 |
LOL, I have a list of questions I was keeping so that I didn't overwhelm all at once. I got most of them in, but was working up to one in particular. I will miss these guys, but I know a book must take an enormous amount of time, so go for it. I hope you are feeling excitement over this new project and getting a small taste of how well it will be received. |
Blenkolove 29.12.2017 22:34 |
Thank You Both for Every Detail and Every Story!! This Has Been Amazing!! And I'm so thankful I accidentally found it!!! BEST OF LUCK W/THE BOOK!! I'M CERTAIN IT WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE HIT!!! AND I CAN'T WAIT TO OWN IT!!! HAPPIEST OF NEW YEAR'S TO YOU BOTH!... Thor I sent u a pm |
Blenkolove 29.12.2017 22:37 |
A HUGE SHOUT-OUT TO ALL THE FABULOUS CONTRIBUTORS TO THIS THREAD!!! MOST OF YOU ALL MADE THIS REALLY FUN AND EXCITING HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL XO |
SmokyQuartz 29.12.2017 22:43 |
Thanks Thor! I appreciate being able to pm you guys, that's an honour! Once in a while, if I have something useful to say, or ask, lol. Katydyd5, yes closed groups are possible, I run one atm, like Captainjory, there are for's and against's....and I'm no expert, but might be worth a discussion if Thor or Lee ever wanted to look into it in the future. (something I am wondering is whether we can just send a group pm to each other, if we want to include others in questions, etc, but I'll shut up now) Captainjory, you too?! I'm not a writer, but have a first draft of a book I'm working on....maybe I'll use the same deadline for mine, I like knowing others are working at the same time. (I should be writing now, lol) |
c.jory 29.12.2017 22:47 |
There are some Facebook groups where people wanting to join must answer a security question...so if it ever came to it, there could be a way we could identify ourselves to the admin. Lol jumping way ahead here, when they haven't even made it! But yeah I'm a writer too and I'm meant to be editing the final draft...but...here I am... |
thundergod 29.12.2017 22:48 |
Blenkolove, Villiers Two more PM guests and you are totally invited. For those with more questions...I'd love to hear them but please, only one question at a time...I have to write a book. LOL |
thundergod 29.12.2017 22:51 |
captainjory...if you would bless us with editing, that would be GREAT! Villier's, if you can represent us in court, just in case, that would be GREAT too...LOL |
thundergod 29.12.2017 22:58 |
For anyone who was interested in the movie "Call Me by Your Name," RUN do not walk to see this movie. Oh my God, it is so well acted and directed. It has some 'Brokeback Mountain' bisexual kind of stuff, which was not in my life experience, but that might interest some of the people that wish Freddie was bi and think it is SO easy to go back and forth. |
thundergod 29.12.2017 23:01 |
The only difference - Freddie was real life and this was a fictional movie. |
YAWN 29.12.2017 23:02 |
Lol I got your back, Thor |
noorie 29.12.2017 23:04 |
Thor and Lee, I guess all good things must come to an end, but there is a lovely book for us to look forward to. Thank you for your time, patience, kindness and inclusion on the 2 threads. It is incredible that you have made time in your busy lives to answer our incessant questions. It's been a privilege! |
thundergod 29.12.2017 23:14 |
noorie...you must use the PM list too. You have been consistently one of the most caring, smart and kind people along with the page 37 and 38 members who have special places in my heart. KINDNESS RULES! It makes life so much more wonderful! |
stevendabudgie 29.12.2017 23:15 |
Dear Thor and Lee, thanks for sharing your experiences with Freddie. Please put me on your PM list. Maybe I will cover something from Queen one day and i want to share it with you ;) |
thundergod 29.12.2017 23:16 |
Am I turning Parsi? I could only hope so! |
thundergod 29.12.2017 23:17 |
ABSOLUTELY stevenabudgie, my favorite German little bird...LOL |
c.jory 29.12.2017 23:30 |
thundergod wrote: captainjory...if you would bless us with editing, that would be GREAT! Villier's, if you can represent us in court, just in case, that would be GREAT too...LOLI SO would help...I'm not bad at structuring... ;-) |
Catus 29.12.2017 23:33 |
Dear Thor and Lee, I feel so privileged to having been able to chat with you in this as well as the previous thread. It has been an amazing experience. If someone would have told me many years ago (when I fell in love with Queen music) that in future I would be chatting with Freddie's friends I would have never believed that! I am so grateful that you guys spent some time here with us. Thank you so much for being so patient and generous, and best of luck with your new book! Please let us know when it comes out. And Happy New Year! |
thundergod 29.12.2017 23:35 |
Thank you captainjory on both Lee's and my behalf. What an asset that would be to our efforts. Anybody here in publishing?...lol |
thundergod 29.12.2017 23:38 |
Catus, you're so invited to PM us of course. YOU are one of the good ones too! |
Catus 29.12.2017 23:41 |
Thank you so much Thor! |
noorie 30.12.2017 00:02 |
thundergod wrote: Am I turning Parsi? I could only hope so!Thor, Parsis would be thrilled and honoured if that happened!!! :) |
thundergod 30.12.2017 00:13 |
Thanks noorie, Maybe at least just an honorary Parsi. I certainly believe wholeheartedly in your outlook on life! |
stevendabudgie 30.12.2017 00:40 |
Dankeschön, Thor! Ich wünsche dir ein gutes neues Jahr! |
SmokyQuartz 30.12.2017 00:45 |
Have sent you a pm Thor. Captainjory, I'll be interested to read your writing too, if ever it's available :-) |
Blenkolove 30.12.2017 01:00 |
A HUGE Thank YOU Thor for this thread introducing me to Noorie(blue flower!).....we have become 'penpals' and she is Truly a Beautiful Spirit!!! I'm so thrilled to be able to correspond w/her and look forward to all her emails!!! Noorie's stories and teachings of Parsi ways...not only helped us ALL understand Freddie better....but made us all see a spirituality So Kind And So Beautiful...i think we have All adopted a little Parsi to call our own ! I KNOW I have!!! (unfortunately not the haters....but one can always hope!!) A BIG Thanks to Noorie's uncle for sharing his personal Freddie Story w/us!!....and to Noorie herself....I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE THE PLEASURE OF GETTING TO KNOW YOU.....YOU MAKE MY WORLD A LOT BRIGHTERXXXXOOOO WITH GOOD THOUGHTS, GOOD DEEDS AND GOOD WORDS....THE WHOLE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE!! |
Tonya 30.12.2017 01:01 |
Thor and Lee - Thanks for sharing your wonderful memories with us. I’m ready to buy your book now,! Although I only asked one question, I still enjoyed these two threads immensely and enjoyed other posters’ contributions (especially Rainbow61 and Villiers). Thor, bet you didn’t think you’d be writing a book in retirement! Good luck with the book! |
thundergod 30.12.2017 01:08 |
Leiber Stevenabdugie, Danke für deine Neujahrswünsche. Das gleiche gilt für dich. PM mich jederzeit. |
Blenkolove 30.12.2017 01:10 |
Captainjory, SmokyQuartz, Villiers, Rainbow....and all other writers of the thread....include me in your writing review list!!! I've always been a voracious reader and am possibly a frustrated writer in my own mind!!!! I'D love to read whatever you write...or any recommended reading!! I get my booklists updated almost daily...by my fellow reading enthusiasts patients!!! HAPPY 2018 to all.....i'll miss u all!!:( |
noorie 30.12.2017 01:16 |
Blenkolove, wow!!! Thanks sooo much! I too thoroughly enjoy every single mail from you (each one puts a huge smile on my face!!) and the other charming QZers I have made friends with! Thor has really brought me some fantastic new friends!!! Love you all! Thor, look at the sunshine you have spread!!! Amazing! |
YAWN 30.12.2017 01:25 |
I'm no writer, blenk. That's all Captianjory! I've seen some of CJs work and it's great. I'd personally be really excited to know a huge queen fan and Freddie enthusiast like that is around to help thor and Lee with it if they wish. Kind of makes the book stand out imo. Made by those who loved Freddie with a little help from someone who genuinely admired him? Ideal! Happy New Year to all, and thanks for a great run. It's been fun! |
thundergod 30.12.2017 01:32 |
HaHa Tonya, You are completely right. This sort of happened RIGHT HERE on these two threads. They made us realize how many, intelligent and kind people and fans that there really are. They might appreciate and enjoy our unique friendship with Freddie through our personal photos that help tell part of the REAL Freddie story, along with commentary. But it is the photos of Freddie enjoying his life with some true friends that will please most people. Haters, bigots and Freddie sexual revisionists are welcome to read the Sun (UK) or the National Enquirer (US) instead of our book. I'll bet they'll take a look though to revive their negative spirits and then blast and deny that the pictures are even Freddie. |
Katydyd5 30.12.2017 01:36 |
Thor, thanks for the quick review of Call Me By Your Name. I've had my eye on it for a while, but as I said earlier, it's not likely to be in general release in my area. It might show up in the art theater in the university district downtown. Brokeback Mountain did play in general release here, but very limited. |
thundergod 30.12.2017 01:43 |
Katydyd, Whenever you get to see it, even in pay-per-view style, it will be worth it. I am expecting two Oscar wins for director and lead actor. Not sure if supporting actor will win. It will probably depend on the rest of the nominees in that category. |
SinkingIsland 30.12.2017 01:53 |
I am terribly sad to see this group disband, but I hope we could come back together after the book. I’m sure we would absolutely love discussing it. I do hope PMs from me would be accepted by all the kind people here. I will have to get my son to show me how to find PMs to me. :) I would like to hear from you. If there is a Facebook group, or some alternative, created, I would feel most grateful and honored to be included. I am elated to know a book is on the way soon. It’s going to be fantastic and I wish you great success. If called upon, I could help with editing. I hope you will allow us to order autographed copies! Thor and Lee... Thank you for the time you’ve spent here. I treasure the experience. I am Robin Robinson on Facebook and this is my FB photo. Please friend me if you’d like, QZ friends. I have separation anxiety and don’t want to say goodbye. Peace, love and happiness to all! R |
thundergod 30.12.2017 02:29 |
Hey SinkingIsland, I really do not participate on facebook unfortunately or any other sites. I got stuck on email years ago, it suits my purposes and I have no use for social media, except, of course, this site I like to text short messages or just pick up the phone. When your son shows you how to Private Message me, do so. I could give you my e-mail address if that works better for you but I don't want to give it here for obvious reasons. You look great in your picture by the way! |
thundergod 30.12.2017 02:50 |
OH-OH, Just got a text from Lee...For the second time I wrote 1981 instead of the correct 1991 for our last visit to London. Sorry about that Freddie.,. I'm getting old I guess. |
SinkingIsland 30.12.2017 03:21 |
I noticed the “1981”, but I knew what you meant. :) |
SinkingIsland 30.12.2017 03:28 |
Thanks, Thor! I will PM my e-mail address to you. I am like you about social media. I had been on Facebook several years ago and didn’t quite like it. I tried it again almost 2 years ago to fit in with the youngsters at my job. That didn’t work either, but I have a lot of family as friends, so that’s worth keeping. |
Blenkolove 30.12.2017 03:32 |
Hey Sinkingisland!!! I FEEL the same way too!! Real separation anxiety....i wanted to yell...'HEY THOR.....COME BACK!! I MISS U ALREADY!!!" LOL. If I can figure out pm....you can too!! I'll pm you.... But 1st....i was thinking the same...about a follow up thread after book.....fun!! But Thor n Lee will have All those morning talk shows n world travel promoting it.....they most likely won't have time for us ;(......JK |
SinkingIsland 30.12.2017 03:41 |
I can PM, but didn’t know how to find anything sent to me. I think I just learned when I PMed Thor. I saw an inbox. I look forward to hearing from you, Blenkolove! |
Tonya 30.12.2017 03:49 |
How do you even PM? I can’t find anything on here. |
Tonya 30.12.2017 04:20 |
Oh now I see it! Good grief... |
Tonya 30.12.2017 04:22 |
Oh now I see it! Good grief... |
Tonya 30.12.2017 04:22 |
Oh now I see it! Good grief... |
Tonya 30.12.2017 04:22 |
Oh now I see it! Good grief... |
Tonya 30.12.2017 04:22 |
Oh now I see it! Good grief... |
thundergod 30.12.2017 04:35 |
On my QZ site, I see a small "buddy" button and then a small "pm" button below each name just below where they record how many replies you have made and give you a little title like "newbie" or "bohemian" for example. |
thundergod 30.12.2017 04:36 |
LOL...I guess you see it..hehehe. |
Tonya 30.12.2017 04:38 |
Guess you can see how impatient I was when the darn thing “wasn’t posting”! Definitely wasn’t the operator. |
thundergod 30.12.2017 04:49 |
Tonya, if you press "post reply" only once, you won't get all those blanks. Just sayin on the last day...lol |
thundergod 30.12.2017 04:51 |
Everyone has had this happen when they were newbies...you are NOT alone.. |
SinkingIsland 30.12.2017 04:55 |
Noooo! (“Last day”) |
thundergod 30.12.2017 05:05 |
As I said SinkingIsland, I've got a BOOK to write!...LOL |
Tonya 30.12.2017 05:06 |
Think I’ve got the hang of it now! This ought to be extremely useful on the last day. Have fun in the warm weather- much better than these cold temps I’m in right now. |
thundergod 30.12.2017 05:14 |
Hey Tonya, feel free to catch up with the progress of the book by PM, or if you prefer, I'll give you my email address after you PM me. Sorry, you were late to the banquet but you can read both threads to catch up at your own pace. Thanks for your support. All the best in the New Year Tonya! |
thundergod 30.12.2017 05:15 |
Geez, did we just create 5 new pages today. Amazing. Thank you all. |
thundergod 30.12.2017 05:18 |
Lee said he would bid you all a proper goodbye I am driving tomorrow, so if you don't hear from him tonight, you will in the morning |
SinkingIsland 30.12.2017 05:28 |
It’s probably about time for you to get some rest if you’re getting up early to drive. (I am 2 hours ahead of you and 6 behind England.) I look forward to hearing from Lee. Be safe in your travels, Thor. |
Rainbow61 30.12.2017 05:35 |
A very Happy New Year to everyone! I hope 2018 brings you great joy. Thank you for your spirited conversation and thoughtful questions. I've enjoyed this time with you immensely and love the idea of regrouping after the book for further discussion and sharing. Until the next time.... Peace! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.12.2017 05:41 |
OMG. What a wonderful collection of well wishes and salutations. Thor and I are blessed to have your support. If we are half as successful with our book as the threads have been, I will be thrilled. Happy New Year to all, and I will look forward to the PM’s. I agree with all of Thor’s thoughts, compliments, and ideas as presented. I’m so glad we had this time together, just to have a laugh or ........wait.......sorry......I have this thing for Carol Burnett......oops.....sorry.......just watched her Special. God Bless and be in touch. Hugs!!!!! |
Catus 30.12.2017 05:46 |
Happy New Year everyone! Peace, love, and happiness to all of you! I hope we'll stay in touch. Safe travels, Thor, have a great time with Lee and others. |
thundergod 30.12.2017 05:49 |
To ALL a Happy New Year and to all a Goodnight! This is not goodbye, it's an evolution and we are so lucky to have the 94% along for the ride. Bless You All! You've made this thread WORK! |
thundergod 30.12.2017 05:50 |
As Freddie would say, "Well darling...there you have it!" |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.12.2017 05:55 |
LOL |
Invisible Woman 30.12.2017 08:05 |
I just want to say that it was interesting to read these two threads. I wish you a lot of success with the book. Listen as much of Queen music while you write a book.:) I wish a Happy New Year for all Queenzone members.:) |
c.jory 30.12.2017 13:10 |
thundergod wrote: Thank you captainjory on both Lee's and my behalf. What an asset that would be to our efforts. Anybody here in publishing?...lolWell, I've only tried self-publishing myself, because I like full control. It does work, you can make money from it, which surprised me. I have a few friends who went to "real" publishers. Not only did they have to do all their own painstaking editing over and over, AND their own publicity, they were badly ripped off. All they earned from it was a publisher's advance, around £200 and the rest of the earnings went straight into the pocket of the publisher, despite them reaching the top of the Amazon charts. So you have to watch out for that. Maybe contact others who have written Queen books and probe them to see what they earned from theirs. I've only used Amazon KDP for Kindle and Createspace for paperbacks. It's a faff lining up the margins etc but the product is good enough quality. |
c.jory 30.12.2017 13:12 |
SmokyQuartz wrote: Have sent you a pm Thor. Captainjory, I'll be interested to read your writing too, if ever it's available :-)I'll message you about it. I would post the links publicly but some freaky homophobic 'fans' got wind of it recently and tried to badmouth it...without ever reading it. Pfft. This fandom! |
SmokyQuartz 30.12.2017 13:54 |
Sorry to hear that CJ. People always bad mouth what they find a threat. I'll check my pm's later as I am just dashing out. Thanks for sharing with me :-) |
Katydyd5 30.12.2017 14:03 |
Happy New Year to all!! May 2018 hold blessings for all of you. I'm so glad Thor said this is not a goodbye but rather an evolution. What a perfect thing to say...........obviously from the mind of a writer. ; ) Who could have imagined this when the thread first began? I'm so glad I stopped lurking and started to participate. Thanks for the many great questions and discussions. It's been a pleasure to find people who will let me talk Freddie and Queen as much as I want to. Thanks especially to those who have become email friends. If you are in the US, stay warm!! |
Blenkolove 30.12.2017 17:01 |
Why can't we all just start our own thread....and keep hanging out......it could be like..."For the Love of Freddie"???.......it was just so Wonderful talking about Freddie w/other Freddie Lovers n Admirers!!! My husband and family are sick of me talking about Freddie.....and once the movie and book hit....there will be SO MUCH MORE TO DISCUSS N REMINESCE ABOUT!!! .....We are like a virtual Freddie Family!!! I don't want to loose you guys!! |
SinkingIsland 30.12.2017 17:07 |
Hey! That’s a good idea about speaking to someone about publishing. You two should talk to Phoebe!! |
c.jory 30.12.2017 18:46 |
Or Ratty the Roadie, he has a website and as a photographer, he might know about photo books and how to get them out there. This is his contact page: link |
Fireplace 30.12.2017 21:02 |
Thor and Lee, thanks for freely sharing your memories here and good luck with book. It'll be a hell of a read! |
matt z 31.12.2017 05:24 |
Ooh wow. I'm a little late to the goodbye party! Thor, Lee.... it's been much appreciated to have heard you two relate stories and info about your exceptionally famous friend. I'm glad you've kept the chats respectful. I'm certain you two can make a very pleasing and enjoyable book of remembrances. (*I DO hope it is available as a physical book. ..i do know that publishing can get costly) Considering the wealth of info and particularly EXCLUSIVE photos....i have no doubt you'd be able to secure credible backing if necessary. Might wanna peruse a book store and guesstimate what publisher you'd like to go with. Though I'm not a huge fan of hers. .. I'd recently purchased a book on Ava Gardner that wasn't very verbose, but focused on her glamour, appearance, with quotes and a general bit of references. The reason i mention it is because the photography and reproduction is very stunning. (*Although these are the work of mgm photographers for most) Also. It seemed to have been published by some young collegiate "kids" so i can imagine it's possible in every way. I hope you two know of someone in publishing that could assist you without trying to fleece you. May all the good graces be with you guys. It's understandable that you'd have to "save something for the book" AND to concentrate thoroughly and Thorly on the book itself. Thank you for your generous gift of these tidbits and witticisms. I hope the project is a success. You two have a perspective that could not only shed light on his personality, but also clear up those dodgy myths ahs creations of less respectable writers. Not certain what i could offer to the project. I've done artwork before. ..however in the general conversations and such...i hope I'm welcome in the loop. Do keep us posted if you ever do an in-store etc. Friends will be friends. Peace! |
SmokyQuartz 31.12.2017 22:22 |
Some beautifully written thoughts here. Just dropped in to say Happy New Year to everyone who was a part of this thread. A few of you I want to private message for one reason or another and will do when the celebrations are out of the way. :-) |
beemack74 01.01.2018 02:25 |
Happy new year Thor, Lee and all members of Queenzone. I'm really looking forward to the book! |
Blenkolove 01.01.2018 04:32 |
HAPPY NEW YEAR'S EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!! |
flo90 01.01.2018 05:10 |
Dear Thor and Lee: I read every page of both threads. Thank you very much for all your contributions to this forum and for sharing so much with us. You have been so generous with your time. I look forward to reading your book, can't wait. How wonderful of you both to do this! Thank you! |
Gingermourinho 01.01.2018 17:53 |
Hey All, Long time reader, first time poster :) A big thank you to Thor and Lee for an amazing insight, it’s been an amazing read over the last few months along with the input of others. Look forward to the book and a Happy New Year to All! |
Rainbow61 02.01.2018 01:41 |
To the Newbies, I often thought that you, the quiet readers, must represent the silent majority on this thread. Glad you jumped in to say thanks to Thor and Lee. Maybe if this thread picks up at a later date with a discussion about the upcoming Freddie book, you will actively join in at that point. Just wanted to say welcome! Happy New Year! |
Blenkolove 02.01.2018 02:03 |
Rainbow.....YOU'RE SO AWESOME!!! I Was always a silent one.........no Facebook, no tweet, absolutely No interest in social media whatsoever!!!!! Still don't really.....but once I stumbled on this site...You and Thor and so many others made it seem so safe, and SOOO comfortable I HAD TO LET MY GUARD DOWN N JUMP IN!!! ESPECIALLY TO TALK ABOUT FREDDIE MERCURY!!!!!!!!! That's why I hate to let this group go......it was my first, it was so much fun, and I grew to feel like we were a little family of Freddie admirers!! Keep in touch Rainbow!!! And Thank YOU and ALL the others(you all know who u are) for making this an AMAZING place to discover and participte in!!!! Mmmmmwah |
Saint Jiub 02.01.2018 02:04 |
This thread and the previous thread are only a few days short of 1/2 of year (July 7th 2017) ... time flies when you are having fun. Lee & Thor - Good luck with your upcoming book. |
Rainbow61 02.01.2018 03:06 |
Blenkolove, Thanks so much.... I was very hesitant to jump into this thread as well. Am not on Facebook, Instagram,Twitter or any other social media. The thought of posting a question or statement was honestly quite intimidating, so I was content to just follow along "in the shadows". Eventually, it was just too hard to stay on the sidelines....so I took the plunge when I was comfortable enough to do so...and I am so happy I did. |
FlashElephant 02.01.2018 10:08 |
A book about Freddie's life? Wow, what "a huge surprise". Joining the Freestone bandwagon. And this thing about haters and negativity. Oh for Christ's sake, there's been very, very little of that. Maybe some comments here and there and maybe some posters have been arguing about stuff but what do you expect? That will always happen everywhere. "The daughters" get upset very easily and it's very surprising coming from people who have lived through some serious times back in the day. One could imagine this stuff here is nothing. The original thread was good in the beginning. After that it was just one big butt kissing contest. |
SmokyQuartz 02.01.2018 20:23 |
Going through REAL serious stuff makes most people intolerant to trivial bullshit. As well as making them nicer people. |
Gingermourinho 02.01.2018 22:12 |
Hey Rainbow, Thanks for your welcome, I have read this forum over the last few months along side reading Ratty’s book which has been a good mix. It’s been good fun sitting back and reading some of the great and random comments. Hope you all had a good New Year! |
SinkingIsland 02.01.2018 23:45 |
I imagine the book will not be about Freddie's life, but rather the few years he lived in New York and the subsequent visits to England by the daughters. I also suspect and hope there will be a great amount of photographic content. I am really looking forward to it. If people such as Peter Freestone, Thor and Lee did not share their stories, those of us who love Freddie so dearly would never have the valuable insight only they can provide. Surprised? No. Happy? Hell yes! |
SinkingIsland 03.01.2018 02:06 |
Disclaimer: Confrontation and / or insult NOT intended. The views expressed are solely those of the writer. I didn't think the guys became easily upset. I think Thor did his best to moderate some really stupid stuff. I realize there are some passionate people here (and others who show up, drop a turd for kicks and move on), but adults should be equipped to "agree to disagree", although sometimes that doesn't happen soon enough. I did see what I considered butt kissing, but (myself included on all counts)... A) Most people are excited by "celebrity", so no harm done. B) People should look within themselves to realize the difference between perceived butt kissing and their own envy or insecurities. C) One can try desperately NOT to come off as a butt kisser and still be viewed as such by someone else (including the owner of the butt, although I saw no such evidence here). I get (sort of) what was said about the book being a "huge surprise". I'm not the brightest character, but I could see that coming a long way back, before it was even a notion to them. I hardly think this was all by design. We merely saw it before they did. Obviously, they just considered themselves Freddie's friends, not even realizing the potential for a book until it was pointed out to them. They didn't exactly have to share anything at all with us, but they did. I am grateful for it. I was, quite frankly, amazed. Why give it away when you can get paid for it, darling? (That's a joke, PC folks.) Besides, they deserve it and it appears the majority of us agree and wish them the best! Peace! |
LOTV 03.01.2018 12:44 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Hi guys, I've been admiring this thread from afar, because I've been backed up with the lurgy and sleeping a lot this week, and because I was in London last week to see the Q+AL show at the O2 (which I unashamedly LOVED). Thor - that thing about Freddie not wanting to be called Fred is interesting. I'd read it before that he hated being called Fred, but Brian May frequently refers to him as Fred. Perhaps this is because before he was famous he was known as Fred Bulsara, and I'm almost certain that I saw on "The Untold Story" a painting or something signed "Fred Bulsara". I guess if you meet someone who refers to themselves as one name for a few years and then changes their name, sometimes it's difficult not to revert back to the name you originally knew them as. I must confess I've had to apologise to a couple of transgender friends of mine for using the pronouns I formerly knew them by, automatically (I know Freddie wasn't trans, but there was the transition if you like between Farokh, Fred, and Freddie. Perhaps there was even Frederick in there somewhere - I wonder if Mrs Bulsara called him Farokh until the end?). The other interesting and lovely thing in this thread is that it's clear now to everyone reading that Freddie was unashamedly gay, and out of the closet, in his personal life. Disregarding the fact that the public weren't told (and it's none of their business), it's great to know that Freddie lived knowing there was nothing to be ashamed of and that it's completely natural. To be fair that was one thing that Brian May said on TV the week after Freddie died - the question was something like, "what do you hope people learn from his death, Brian?" and Brian said something like "that there's nothing wrong with being gay". So obviously in his professional circle it was something that he didn't hide either. Elton John said he came out as bisexual because it was simply easier than saying he was gay, somehow it would be more acceptable if people thought he was just kind of experimenting. At the time he made that remark he was free to say what he wanted of course. We live in very different times now here in the west where largely we are able to come out without too many repercussions. Of course there are still problems in families which is always a very sad situation, and the political climate has lurched quite far to the right in recent years even in what we thought was liberal Britain (In 1997 Britain was portrayed as the coolest, most liberal place on earth. In 2017 it's.... a bit different, sort of like 1977 with the racism but not so homophobic). Freddie Mercury was never going to be revealed as an uncomplicated character, but the fact that he was Indian, gay, born an immigrant in Zanzibar, died an immigrant in London, and somehow in between those two points became the most revered rock musician of the late 20th Century is still pretty unfathomable. There are people who are born into the industry who can't do what he did. I do have one question. The others in the band seem to be more inside the industry - more in touch with what others are doing in the rock and pop scene, they have friends who are also rock musicians etc, but Freddie seemed to be an outsider. Have I got that right?Roger Taylor pretty much exclusively refers to Freddie as 'Fred'. As do a lot of his old mates, peers and colleagues in the music industry. |
LOTV 03.01.2018 13:15 |
Rainbow61 wrote: Sheldon, I have watched that finale performance many times and I am always left with the same thought while viewing..."Could someone PLEASE hand Freddie the microphone?" I'm frustrated every time I watch it!You might be over thinking this a little. He wasn't on the original because nobody could find him remember. Think the chronology would have him lost in Munchen or even still hanging out with Thor and Lee? It was later something he and Queen openly regretted. In fact it was Freddie they had in mind for the line Bono eventually sang. So perhaps he didn't know the words hence no mike and a little sense of awkwardness? Not everything is a big deal or deep. Just my twopenneth. |
LOTV 03.01.2018 13:33 |
Thanks for sharing your memories chaps, most appreciated and interesting. Don't blame you for making a few quid either for yourselves or charity. Can't for a second believe the notion only just occurred, I imagine this thread has merely provided and indicator of appetite. On a general note just because some may not tow every party line and accept unchallenged all agreed narrative does not necessarily make them haters or bigots. There has certainly been an element of hypocrisy to this thread and not a small amount of arse kissing. King Mercury, long may she reign. |
The Squirrelly One 03.01.2018 18:59 |
VERY well said, SinkingIsland. |
LGBT Heroes 03.01.2018 19:41 |
Hello Mr.Nolan and Mr.Arnold. Please check your private messages. Logo TV is knocking! |
matt z 04.01.2018 02:04 |
^ and so it looks like this thread has got some exposure. ^ interesting. |
bucsateflon 06.01.2018 11:30 |
a summary is needed |
Saint Jiub 07.01.2018 00:33 |
Six months prior to today ... fresh air arrived at QZ ... link |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 09.01.2018 13:55 |
Dears Thor and Lee, I hope you are still reading. I arrived late for this thread, but, just like I did in the other one, I would like to thank you for all of the information that you made available to us about our dear Freddie. I read all of your posts. I wish you both all the best. Thank you once again. Cheers, Ogre- |
freddies bell end 11.01.2018 07:22 |
What did I miss? Can anyone summarize the 43 pages to help me know what was revealed? |
matt z 13.01.2018 03:57 |
^ to be honest; not much different was shared in this thread. It started and DID have its share of pandering. No strange disclosures. Though Thor did share some insight into knowing his sexuality atan early age. (*same here: knew i was hetero since being a child. Women are just amazingly beautiful. ) I don't think it ever kicked off, though some interesting insights were shared about everybody's lives. No "nuggets" of info on Fred if you're looking for it. Either way, it's only 43 pages. Read. READ! |
FlashElephant 01.02.2018 22:52 |
Okay, time to start up this classic again. Thor, I have some questions. 1. Do you know what Freddie drank during August 1982? 2. Did Freddie ever tell you what the second verse in Ogre Battle meant? 3. Was Freddie really gay? 4. Do you already have a publisher for your "book"? Is Freestone going to be one of the contributors? 5. Do you think Mary should get out of Garden Lodge and all of Freddie's 80's "daughters" should live there instead? 6. Did Freddie ever watch commercials during the evenings? 7. Did Freddie ever tell you where he bought his Live Aid-jeans? 8. Do you know where the Live Aid-jeans are now? 9. Are you still whining how the producers from "Freddie's loves" sucker punched you and made you tell some intimate details about Freddie? |
Dustin Zimmerman 06.02.2018 20:00 |
Hey FlashElephant how's that trolling YouTube account of yours going? Got a huge following yet? What about your Tumblr page? Looks like you're on there jacking off to Mercs. How many accounts do you have now? 3? YouTube has to be at least 4 by now. And your Facebook page is great reading too. You've really got this troll shit on lock. |
FlashElephant 07.02.2018 02:31 |
I have to quote the late Michael Jackson with his high voice "oh please", "oh please", "oh please". Yes, if I'm all those clowns you advertise then I guess your Dustin Hoffman? I haven't got a clue what your talking about, I only know that one 567199 or whatever his clever user name was. Weren't you the one who was spending hours and hours looking at some idiotic Facebook-arguments where some old ladies were fighting if Bulsara was gay or some kind of a womanizer? And then you were arguing about it here like it was World War III? Deep down you know I'm more or less spot on with my brilliant and ironic observations about Thor and his "buddy" and how they are already counting the money they will be making with poor Freddie's legacy. But well, what can you do? |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.02.2018 03:28 |
Yeah, and aren't you the one that rants on YouTube and pretends it isn't you when confronted here? You know you make it really obvious right? Funny how you're worried about how many "hours" i spent looking at idiotic Facebook rants (wasn't even an hour, btw) but you're the one starting bullshit here WEEKS after this thread ended. By the way it's spelled "you're". Who the fuck said they weren't in it for the money? Does that change the fact that mercury was gay as fuck? No. Does it change anything that happened in August 1982? No. Why bother trolling the page now? Why didn't you troll it when they were here? Go ahead and run to your Tumblr page and slander me. I'm looking forward to reading it. That, and your YouTube rants. |
The Squirrelly One 07.02.2018 03:31 |
Dustin don't give that idiot attention. It's what they want. Pathetic little loser. Such a shame their parents didn't give them enough attention as a child. |
FlashElephant 07.02.2018 10:58 |
Very kind of you to spare me so much of your time. We all can't be geniuses, now can we? Still haven't got a clue what you're ranting about Hoffman. But to be brutally honest it doesn't really matter. You don't even get my witty posts. Squirrely, don't you have some butt kissing to do instead of acting like some goody goody? |
Invisible Woman 07.02.2018 12:06 |
I think that would be nice from Thor and Lee to sometimes come to Queenzone, at least to say "hello" or to say how their book progresses. And I also think that this argument between members doesn't make any sense. |
LOTV 07.02.2018 16:26 |
Invisible Woman wrote: I think that would be nice from Thor and Lee to sometimes come to Queenzone, at least to say "hello" or to say how their book progresses. And I also think that this argument between members doesn't make any sense.Hi TIW, They can't make money by coming on here. You do realise it was market research don't you? I'm sure you do, you are a bright person. I wish them well with their endeavours. Be interesting to see whether it's for charity of personal gain. |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.02.2018 18:31 |
I doubt it'll be for charity. They haven't mentioned anything about it. I don't think any of the Freddie books out there go to charity either. I'd like to see at least some profit go to the MPT. If you're gonna write about Fred, it's only fair to give a piece to his AIDS charity. |
Saint Jiub 08.02.2018 01:18 |
Yawn. Please let Flash have the last word, and let this topic be retired as intended. |
LOTV 08.02.2018 11:04 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: I doubt it'll be for charity. They haven't mentioned anything about it. I don't think any of the Freddie books out there go to charity either. I'd like to see at least some profit go to the MPT. If you're gonna write about Fred, it's only fair to give a piece to his AIDS charity.I agree. I do hope that nobody is naive enough to think that the idea of a book is new to them. Where better to do market research and assess demand? A book, shit yeah, we could couldn't we? |
Dustin Zimmerman 08.02.2018 14:38 |
I have no doubt that what they'll print is the truth. However I do think it's shitty how they ended this. They couldn't have made it more clear that their focus was cash. Keep in mind Freestone has plenty of books out on his own. But even he still answers questions through his blog. They cut off all communication and the few people i do speak to who have gotten private responses from them have all said they keep responses short. I'm disappointed but at least there will be a fact checked book out there. Those are rare. |
Mr.Michael 08.02.2018 20:43 |
Very well said Dustin and I also agree with the other posters. I can't quite understand why are you arguing because you seem to have the same opinion? It feels like something happened during this thread? Like someone suddenly said "why are you telling those stories over there when you could make some money with it"? Everything happened so quickly. Many of Thor's anecdotes were nice and interesting but I kinda felt that the well was pretty dry at the end. At times it really felt more like fans educating them about Freddie. They are not obligated to post here or to tell us what's going on, but I honestly feel like this didn't end right. If that's true what Dustin is telling us, that they only give quick and short answers to their biggest admirers, then that also sounds pretty sad. |
noorie 08.02.2018 22:19 |
Honestly, why should we feel entitled to anything from anybody? Thor and Lee gave us so many amazing anecdotes about Freddie and freely shared their memories of him. They took a lot of time to patiently respond to each of our questions - even the silly ones. So, I am very grateful for whatever time they shared with us. And that is not called 'kissing butt' - that is called 'being appreciative'. Thor and Lee both send very lovely messages to most of us. But naturally they are busy with their lives, as are we. Here is something Thor wrote to me after seeing the negativity here these past few days. So, to set the record straight, here are Thor's own words (with his permission). "I arrived on QZ purely by accident after Googling my own name. I wanted to set the record straight that I was not Freddie's lover but close friend. To think that I was doing market research is absurd. Lee has preserved his pictures for over 30 years and we did not ever speak of making money off of them. We did the "Freddie's Loves" documentary because we thought it would shed light on the real Freddie namely the person and the friend who we wanted to share with the world. We did not make any money for our appearance, but we got one night stay at the Beverly Hilton and a lunch. We were disappointed in the finished product. After encouragement from some wonderful people, and the fact that I was spending many hours a day answering questions, Lee and I decided to give it a go and again attempt to shed light on the side of Freddie that most people probably don't know. The haters need conspiracy theories to spread their negativity and share their misery. We are considering a return to the thread in the future but as for now the LAST thing we need is discouragement about our project." |
Dustin Zimmerman 08.02.2018 22:46 |
Lee doesn't message anyone. You have to know how silly you sound when you talk about not kissing butt...you Noorie were the Queen of butt kissing here. With that fake uncle story, it did get old pretty quick. |
YAWN 08.02.2018 22:51 |
I'm amazed to see that this thread is still gaining comments. What's left to talk about? I'm excited for the book. Let's just look forward. Regardless of what you think the thread was, it's over now and there's a book coming out of it. Someone else said it best when they said at the very least we can all get pumped about there being another book that comes from a direct source to Freddie. Those are indeed very rare. Peace, all. |
noorie 08.02.2018 23:06 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Lee doesn't message anyone. You have to know how silly you sound when you talk about not kissing butt...you Noorie were the Queen of butt kissing here. With that fake uncle story, it did get old pretty quick.Hahaha!! Glad to hear I am 'Queen' of something on QueenZone. Btw, I have received 6 messages from Lee. Not that that makes any difference to anything. |
noorie 08.02.2018 23:15 |
Villiers is absolutely right. There is nothing left to talk about on this thread. So, peace to everybody. Enjoy your lives!! :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 08.02.2018 23:18 |
Lol so you count the messages from Lee like that makes you the special one? My friend villers here is on his personal Facebook page and he doesn't add strangers apparently. If you're playing a lame tit for tat game, I think you just lost with that fact. He messaged everyone a few times before he left the thread. You messaging him on your own to ask questions doesnt count as him reaching out to you to be his friend or confidant. You're not special Noorie. Your uncle never knew Freddie and you don't have any unique insight on Freddie because you claim to be Persian too. Nobody cares. |
YAWN 08.02.2018 23:23 |
Lol I've never bothered to count how many messages I got from Lee...not sure why anyone would care. Both of them have messaged nearly all of us. These are regular people, guys- not Christ almighty. Its not that crucial lol. I wish them both the best and good luck on the book. Now, it's 5pm here. Time for a cold beer and a spin of a good record. Thinking Bowie, tonight. See y'all |
The Squirrelly One 08.02.2018 23:47 |
Counting how many messages you got from Thor and Lee? That's a bit sad. Thor trusted me enough to send photos of me through his personal phone number and send me a photo of him in 2017. Yes I actually have Thors phone number. Does that win this pissing contest Norrie? Good thing this thread ended. Heres hoping the fans have a better reaction to their book than they had to his thread. Childish. |
Saint Jiub 09.02.2018 03:36 |
Does Dustin count cards? This pissing and moaning about noorie is worse than Flash Elephant. If Thor and Lee are smart, we've likely seen the last of them on QZ until they have a book deal. This drama is extaordinarily tedious. By the way, I have you all beat ... Thor and Lee have issued 17 restraining orders against me ... LOL |
The Squirrelly One 09.02.2018 04:13 |
Does he count cards? That makes no sense. Im afraid noorie brought it on herself this time. I think you're right. They likely won't be back until the book is a done deal. Last I heard from Thor he said they'd like to keep their stories and pics close to the vest until the book comes out. Understandable but I'm curious as to what else they can tell us that they havent already. Or will it be a collection of the stories they've already posted here? I guess we'll just wait and see. Either way, I'll be buying a copy. |
Saint Jiub 09.02.2018 04:47 |
I think you are assuming Noorie is bragging about six messages ... it is not hard to count to six. Dustin Hoffman of the movie "Rainman" counts cards playing blackjack with Tom Cruise |
The Squirrelly One 09.02.2018 05:04 |
Yes but the fact that she felt the need to give everyone the number of messages she received from Lee at all comes off as a desperate attempt at bragging. Which is likely what annoyed everyone. Myself included. Seemed childish. I think Dustin was just saying what we all felt. In a more blunt way than i ever would lol. |
St Pepper 09.02.2018 05:06 |
It did come off that way, squirrelly. I was going to say something as well and decided against it. I'll just say.... I too rolled my eyes. |
RadioDaDa 12.02.2018 05:21 |
Just read it all. Fascinating stuff. Thank you Thor and Lee |
SmokyQuartz 15.02.2018 01:00 |
Personally I think Thor got a lot out of this forum. He chatted about all sorts of things, not just Freddie and took the time to get to 'know' us a bit (as much as you can online). This thread started to feel quite cohesive. At the moment it's going the other way. I noticed someone mentioned that Thor might consider a return to the thread if / when he's up for it. I just think we should make it worth returning to. If he doesn't, the glass is still half full, he interacted with us and he gave more than would be given for marketing purposes alone. |
Freddielove4ever 27.02.2018 23:12 |
It's a very long and interesting thread! Wow!! Hey Thor, your insights are really fascinating... however I was wondering about something ... Peter Freestone - Freddie Mercury - An Intimate Memoir by the Man Who Knew Him Best (Chapter one): "On July 11 and 12, 1986, the band returned to Wembley with A Kind Of Magic under their belts. Freddie had flown the New York Daughters specifically to see one of these shows. He knew it was going to be something to be proud of. He hired a coach for the show which left Garden Lodge with all his guests including Straker, Mary Austin, Wayne Eagling, Gordon Atkinson, Gordon Dalziel and Graham Hamilton, Barbara Valentin and Trevor Clarke. It was my job to ensure that the coach was laden with goodies for the trip out for the guests and on the trip back when Freddie himself joined in. This was to be the start of one very long party. I don’t think there are many stars who would indulge in this kind of behaviour. I don’t know that there are that many of his equivalent status who would have that many friends who would come together at one time to celebrate their friend’s success. And they certainly wouldn’t have travelled on a bus!" All his close friends together!!! Wonderful!! Weren't you smitten to be sitting next to a Fassbinder Muse? You knew a lot of famous people!! You are a very lucky man!! Did you go to the party at the Roof Garden? |
Sponge Caves 28.02.2018 21:42 |
I'm thinking perhaps Peter Freestone was mistaken in his account of who was there, as much as I respect his p.o.v and believe most of what he says to be accurate... Thor and Lee closed this thread, so I'm taking it upon myself to answer. Thor and Lee both knew nothing about Barbara until they read it in a biography and Freddie didn't introduce them. She was supposedly quite a loud, larger-than-life person so I'm sure they would remember her if she was there. They've mentioned Mick Jagger though! Further to this, she does not appear in any backstage Wembley footage, nor is she in any of the Kensington Roof Gardens party photos on Getty Images. She doesn't appear in the Summer 86 Garden Lodge footage either. Surely if she was there, she would be staying in his house and hanging out with his New York Daughters. In fact there are no photos of them together throughout the whole of 1986, as far as I know, which supports what she said about them not speaking for just over a year. |
RadioDaDa 02.03.2018 17:14 |
Sponge.. Is it a possibility they were at different shows? Peter said July 11 and July 12. Its a good possibility the daughters went to one show and Barbera at the next show.. |
RadioDaDa 02.03.2018 17:15 |
Sponge.. Is it a possibility they were at different shows? Peter said July 11 and July 12. Its a good possibility the daughters went to one show and Barbera at the next show.. |
Sponge Caves 02.03.2018 23:53 |
Because the Daughters and Barbara were from different countries, it would seem weird if they just turned up on different nights then went away. They would all have been staying with Freddie and would have met. It makes more sense for Peter to be wrong. Especially if you add in the fact she doesn't appear in any photos or backstage video footage, and she said they fell out temporarily at this time. |
Freddielove4ever 11.03.2018 23:51 |
Maybe they slept in different places because Freddie bought the mews years later so he only had one room for the guests. Thor went to the party at the Roof Garden...Do you see him in videos or pics? No, we can't see him there...so? There were a lot of guests that day - he also invited a Japanese woman there (we have a video about that moment: link minute 4:33) - Do you see her in videos and pics during the party? No, we can't see her there (and if we didn't have this video we would never have known that she was there too!). So the fact that Barbara doesn't appear in any photos or backstage video footage is a proof? My answer is: absolutely not! |
Stop The Madness 12.03.2018 00:44 |
Freddielove4ever why are you so desperate to believe he fucked her? The guy was a fag. I can't even show my friends this thread as a joke anymore without seeing another desperate female trying to keep their image of a straight Mercury alive. The man only wanted cock. Accept it. I have. |
stevendabudgie 12.03.2018 17:36 |
"The man only wanted cock. Accept it. I have." link |
FlashElephant 24.07.2018 12:06 |
How is the book coming along? Will the "Daughters" make it in time for the Christmas season? Who was that guy who's uncle played badminton with Freddie in India, or something along those lines? |
thundergod 29.07.2018 04:53 |
FreddieMercury Bk w/ 50 unseen pics Share Tweet Be the first to share I am trying to publish a book with over fifty never-before-seen photos of Freddie Mercury's time in New York City (1981 to 1983) and in London visits(1986-1991). Also, I have written chapters that recount Freddie, the down-to-earth, generous and caring man enjoying himself with his close American friends (of eleven years) right up to his unfortunate death. In his real life, Freddie enjoyed fitting in and just being "one of the boys" Early 1980's New York provided this for him. The book is finished and being reviewed by a literary agent. Publishing this book as a "coffee table book" will cost a good amount of money. This book is timed with the opening of the new docu-drama "Bohemian Rhapsody" which is sure to reignite interest in everything Queen and everything Freddie. A free, autographed copy by the authors (I have a co-author who was also part of our group of close friends in New York and beyond) will be provided for any donation over $50.00. This book will definitely sell, but a refundable donation (once the book is published, available and selling) can be provided. The title of the book will be "Freddie Mercury in New York - Don't Stop Us Now!" I thank any donators in advance who might help us to make this project become a reality. YOU are the Champions! |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.07.2018 22:38 |
So....what happens if we make the donations and you still don't get enough to get it published? Have you considered Amazon? They print by demand. I saw a petition to get your book started online and it was posted to huge groups and pages. Think it only got like 200 signatures. I dont think it's likely that this go fund me route is going to work out. I know the girl who did the petition and she did it to get a rough number of how many people would be interested in the book and to prove you guys have support. Very nice gesture but I'm sorry to say I think it proves a go fund me would not be successful. Signing a free petition vs donating cash are two different things and the free petition didnt do too well. Sorry but the few people I've discussed this with have all agreed this is a bad route to take. If you want it out alongside the movie you guys are going to need to do it on your own. I don't think a go fund me is going to provide you with enough cash quick enough. |
The Squirrelly One 29.07.2018 23:17 |
My cousin also suggested Amazon. That might be something to think about.. |
The Squirrelly One 29.07.2018 23:46 |
@Thor I sent you 2 messages regarding this. Please check when you have the time sweetheart. Take care. |
thundergod 30.07.2018 01:10 |
Ouch...sorry guys, but a free book for a $50.00 donation did not seem to me too outrageous a proposal. |
Saint Jiub 30.07.2018 01:16 |
thundergod wrote: FreddieMercury Bk w/ 50 unseen pics Share Tweet Be the first to share I am trying to publish a book with over fifty never-before-seen photos of Freddie Mercury's time in New York City (1981 to 1983) and in London visits(1986-1991). Also, I have written chapters that recount Freddie, the down-to-earth, generous and caring man enjoying himself with his close American friends (of eleven years) right up to his unfortunate death. In his real life, Freddie enjoyed fitting in and just being "one of the boys" Early 1980's New York provided this for him. The book is finished and being reviewed by a literary agent. Publishing this book as a "coffee table book" will cost a good amount of money. This book is timed with the opening of the new docu-drama "Bohemian Rhapsody" which is sure to reignite interest in everything Queen and everything Freddie. A free, autographed copy by the authors (I have a co-author who was also part of our group of close friends in New York and beyond) will be provided for any donation over $50.00. This book will definitely sell, but a refundable donation (once the book is published, available and selling) can be provided. The title of the book will be "Freddie Mercury in New York - Don't Stop Us Now!" I thank any donators in advance who might help us to make this project become a reality. YOU are the Champions!Thor ... I am considering "wasting" $50 dollars on your book that might never be published. However, I need to talk to my wife at some point. I am a manic-depressive, and I am hypo-manic right now, and my judgement might be clouded. Thanks. |
thundergod 30.07.2018 01:22 |
That's ok...you don't need to your $50.00. |
thundergod 30.07.2018 01:24 |
Change that to "you don't need to send your $50.00" |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.07.2018 01:39 |
You didnt answer the question. What happens if we pay for the money you guys still don't have enough to publish the book? Do we get a refund or a rough draft or what? |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.07.2018 01:41 |
Sorry should read "what happens if we pay the money and you still dint gave enough to publish." |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.07.2018 01:43 |
Wow even my correction have hella typos. Well shit. |
thundergod 30.07.2018 02:03 |
Dustin....this is just a way of raising funds. I believe the book will be picked up and I already promised signed books for $50.00 donations as well as refunds once the book gets off the ground. But you know, this may NOT be something for you. If I believed these last eight months that the book would not get published, I would not have wasted my hours and hours of writing. Best advice for you...wait till it is out then decide whether or not to buy it. Trust me, not a problem. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.07.2018 02:07 |
M'k. I'll definitely buy once it's out. Are you guys going to stop answering questions here for now |
thundergod 30.07.2018 02:15 |
We will start a new thread on Queenzone when we have finished our Publisher search but only when it has been approved by our literary agent. The hundreds of Vanity Presses out there is frightening and made us employ a literary agent. Not inexpensive, by the way! |
Catus 30.07.2018 02:16 |
Hi Thor, It's so great to see you back here - I was thinking about you and Lee not long ago. Congrats on the completion of your project! I will be happy to share this info - did you consider link website? It would be easier to share over the social media, and also people would know how to donate without pm'ing you every time. As for me, I'm definitely in! |
thundergod 30.07.2018 02:23 |
Hi Catus Ha Ha, GoFundMe is already out there. It may not be too popular with some here. But tthat is more than ok. It was just an idea. |
Catus 30.07.2018 02:30 |
Oh, that's great, but could you post a link here? I did not find your project on gofundme website. Good luck, hope you'll get more support! |
thundergod 30.07.2018 02:31 |
Please check pg 45 Catus. |
Catus 30.07.2018 02:48 |
Thor, I can only see your announcement, but there is no link there. Could you please post it here? |
Saint Jiub 30.07.2018 04:37 |
Thor - If you choose a public corporation to publish your book, you will likely need to quit posting on Queenzone until the book is officially announced. You don't want to get me arrested for for inside information to buy stock? Do You? LOL |
Saint Jiub 30.07.2018 04:38 |
Catus wrote: Thor, I can only see your announcement, but there is no link there. Could you please post it here?Yes a GoFundMe link might be nice. LOL |
Saint Jiub 30.07.2018 04:47 |
Thor - Congrats on finishing writing your book. So many projects never get finished. Brian May's doctorate did not get finished until a few years ago. Good luck. I am sure you will be successful and get your money back if your book is published. I am sure I can convince my wife to "allow" me to "waste" $50. I am the major "breadwinner" in this household. By donating, it will make me feel like I am donating to something bigger than myself. |
thundergod 30.07.2018 22:03 |
link |
thundergod 30.07.2018 22:07 |
I submitted a photo with Freddie to GoFundMe, but I don't know how to bring it up. I do not have a Facebook account. |
The Squirrelly One 31.07.2018 00:33 |
Hi sweetheart. I followed the link you left for the GoFundMe to donate and it brought me to a blank page saying 404 error. Pic attached. |
The Squirrelly One 31.07.2018 00:37 |
I tried it a few more times and it brings you to this sign in page that wont let me sign in via facebook or google. I also dont see an option to sign up for an account for GoFundMe. What the h*ll.. I'm guessing it wont let us donate unless we create an account with them first but I don't see an option to. Pic attached. |
St Pepper 31.07.2018 00:45 |
I have a GoFundMe account. The campaign is not set up correctly. The link brings you to a sign in page. When you sign in and follow the link Thor provided it takes you nowhere. That means the campaign has not completed set up. I've used it a few times for our local church. One of two things happened here. Either the campaign has not been approved by the site yet or somehow the campaign setup steps were just not completed. GoFundMe isnt the easiest thing to use anymore. PayPal would be easier but that would probably rub people the wrong way. Sorry Thor. As of now nobody can donate to it. The site wont allow it. |
Catus 31.07.2018 01:09 |
Hi Thor, the link did not work but I figured out that I have to remove "manage." This is the working link: link |
Catus 31.07.2018 01:16 |
link Here it is, it worked for me. Good luck Thor and Lee |
matt z 31.07.2018 01:48 |
I'll definitely sign up for the $50 fund, i had just mentioned you guys and the book proposal on another page. I'm glad it's nearly reached the finish line. Looking forward to it, Thor |
Saint Jiub 31.07.2018 01:59 |
I posted the gofundme info to my timeline of my Facebook account. I have not donated yet but there have been two donations in the last half hour for a total of $150. |
thundergod 31.07.2018 02:16 |
I used my e-mail address thundergod2015@gmail.com, Maybe knowing this will help. Two people managed to get through. I am SO new to this, and probably made some mistakes. Hope you can get through with my e-mail account. Thank you all so much. Thor and Lee |
thundergod 31.07.2018 02:33 |
Thank you my first responder in July 2017, MattZ...I certainly appreciate you, although I did not always understand your highly complex way of writing. lol... You are the best! |
thundergod 31.07.2018 02:36 |
Thank you St. Juib...I don't really recall your participation in the two threads from last year, but I do appreciate your support for sure. |
thundergod 31.07.2018 02:37 |
Make that "Jiub" |
Saint Jiub 31.07.2018 03:01 |
Catus wrote: link Here it is, it worked for me. Good luck Thor and LeeThe above is the link that I used to visit the gofundme webpage. |
Saint Jiub 31.07.2018 03:04 |
thundergod wrote: Thank you St. Juib...I don't really recall your participation in the two threads from last year, but I do appreciate your support for sure.I was formally known as Panchgani until i changed my user name a few days ago. I only posted a few times. I think my most notable post was when I found and posted an audio of Freddie's dedication to the "Real Girls" in a concert in Chicago 1982. |
thundergod 31.07.2018 03:05 |
St. Jiub, did you still not get access for the site??? |
thundergod 31.07.2018 03:08 |
I certainly remember Panchgani..thanks for the clarification my friend. |
Saint Jiub 31.07.2018 03:13 |
This is approximately where I posted In november last year: link |
thundergod 31.07.2018 03:15 |
Thanks my prayer worthy Saint! |
Saint Jiub 31.07.2018 03:21 |
Here is Play the Game weblink from Chicago 1982. The "Real Girls" quote is at the tail end of Play the Game (before Calling All Girls). link |
Saint Jiub 31.07.2018 03:23 |
thundergod wrote: St. Jiub, did you still not get access for the site???Yes - I got access to the site (thanks to Catus). I will donate soon I hope. link |
Richard Orchard 31.07.2018 08:23 |
Good luck on the book - i just donated. Richard |
Hutchence 31.07.2018 08:59 |
I'm spreading the word (well, link to gofundme to be precise) via social networks. I wish you all the best with yor book- can't wait to buy it ! |
thundergod 31.07.2018 16:48 |
Hey Richard, Hope you received my thank you note on the GoFundMe site |
thundergod 31.07.2018 16:50 |
Thank you Hutchence. I am not very social media adept and appreciate your help. Wonderful |
matt z 31.07.2018 20:30 |
Well, thanks Thor. Owing to some purchases I've made and a book signing this week I'm goin to, I'll probably make payment next Friday. How long will the GoFundMe Be Up? |
thundergod 31.07.2018 20:43 |
MattZ I guess until we reach our goal. If for some reason the book does not get picked up (God forbid) by a reliable and honest publisher (no vanity presses please) all donations will be refunded. Also, none of the money will be touched until we sign on with a Publisher. We will cover the costs of our literary agent on our own, as well as legal fees to protect our pictures. Well, all except one, which I understand is circulating around after only a day. Thank for your support MattZ . And I will just mention it one more time...You were the first to enquire about my QZ thread way back last summer. Cheers to you my friend! Thor and Lee |
matt z 31.07.2018 20:49 |
Damn Straight! NUMBER ONE! NUMBER ONE! NUMBER ONE! ;-) I'll pass the word to another board in which the film and band are currently being discussed |
SmokyQuartz 31.07.2018 23:39 |
I'm in! With you guys all the way until the book is on my coffee table, lol. :-) |
Villiers2 31.07.2018 23:54 |
Hey guys, its Villiers from the old threads (had to make a new account since I had trouble logging back in today) but I'd like everyone who stops by here to know I also run a page on Instagram (still small but growing at 2.3K) and I am letting my followers and everyone here know that those of you who donate to the GoFundMe account for Thor and KathLEEN, are invited to join in on the giveaway I'm offering. If you've made a donation and would like a chance to win this LED Freddie Lamp, please send me a photo of your name on the GoFundMe page either here or on my Instagram Instagram.com/Queen_Memes.KL and you're entered for a chance to win! Freddie changes to 15 different colors and makes a great decoration (as you can see in the pics below). I will ship world wide. Thanks and good luck! Best of luck, Thor and Lee- "dahlings!" *Photo shows 2 of the 15 colors in both light and in total darkness* link |
Katydyd5 01.08.2018 01:09 |
Oh wow would I like a chance at that lamp Villiers, but I have no idea how to send you a photo of my name. I just donated. Would it require me to learn how to do a screen shot??? Thor, good luck with this. I'm excited the book has come so far! Thanks for keeping us updated. |
Villiers2 01.08.2018 01:31 |
Hey! I think you and I spoke thru Facebook not too long ago. I'll message you there! If you're who I think you are, I see your name on the GoFundMe page so you're all good and in the running :) |
The Squirrelly One 01.08.2018 02:00 |
@villiers2 I saw it on your facebook meme page. The photo for it on there was beautiful!! The lamp would look great on my desk. If I can figure out how to do the donation and get a photo can I just message it to your facebook page or is there an email you want us to send it to? |
thundergod 01.08.2018 02:04 |
I can't believe you guys. Thanks everyone for such great support. I can't wait to get books on your coffee tables. As I said a few times in the old thread, if the trolls and the neigh-sayers inevitably need to bark their comments again, we can choose to ignore them. They can flip through the pages in a bookstore and of course, not buy it. |
Villiers2 01.08.2018 02:08 |
Hi! Yes, you can just message the screenshot to me via facebook. Our page has a message option at the top. I'm surprised you managed to catch it on facebook. The algorithms or whatever the hell don't allow our posts to reach all our followers there anymore. It's really annoying, actually! Nearly 4K followers and the stats say only 50-100 people see each post. I've basically given up on Facebook these days lol. Instagram is more active, but I'll be checking both sites for any messages about the giveaway. Thanks. Heres Freddie up close in 3 different colors. He shines bright like diamond lol (corny, I know) |
Katydyd5 01.08.2018 02:23 |
I am who you think I am Villiers! Thanks so much! |
thundergod 01.08.2018 02:24 |
WOW! The Montreux statue image reproduced in such a clever way. Lee and I want one each too. How brilliant of you to create this great memento Luv ya. Thor and Lee |
Villiers2 01.08.2018 02:36 |
I got you, katydyd5 :) Oh I wish I could take credit for the lamp piece but its not my handiwork. Very cool little item, tho! |
The Squirrelly One 01.08.2018 02:48 |
Thanks for offering to give that Freddie away villers! You see how much love you guys have here Thor? Fantastic! I'll let my Facebook friends know. I would love a chance to win it Even if I don't win the little Freddie I will have a spot on the shelf for the book to take its place lol |
thundergod 01.08.2018 02:49 |
Could it be that this thread has come alive again?...please don't tell the trolls.....shhhhh. |
thundergod 01.08.2018 02:51 |
Thanks Squirrelly and Katy |
Catus 01.08.2018 03:19 |
Hey guys, it's so great to see y'all here, I missed this thread so much. And hurray, I see that some of my fb friends came to donate too! |
Catus 01.08.2018 03:23 |
Thor, can I ask you, who is sitting next to you and Peter on that photo? Is Lee there? |
thundergod 01.08.2018 03:43 |
From left to right, it is Freddie (of course), me, Phoebe, my date, Lee's date and Lee. This pic was taken on our Houston get-away. It was such fun! |
Catus 01.08.2018 03:48 |
Thanks a lot Thor! |
Villiers2 01.08.2018 03:57 |
Ooooo, I know you answered this before in one of the threads but it's long gone by now. Where in Houston would yall go? I live in Houston! Was Montrose still the gay center for Houston back then? You know how conservative Texas can be. You wouldnt happen to remember which hotel yall stayed at in Houston? |
Rainbow61 01.08.2018 04:41 |
Greetings Thor and Lee, What a wonderful development! Glad to make a donation. I loved the “teaser” picture you posted….can’t wait to see the others when the book comes out. Seems like the finish line is coming into view and we are happy to cheer you guys on to the end. A book and a movie all around the same time...a plethora of Freddie riches! The book signing party should be great! :) |
Rainbow61 01.08.2018 05:04 |
Villiers2, Lovely lamp...that is very generous of you. Like everyone else, I know exactly where I'd put it! Would love to read Thor and Lee's book by the soft glow of the Freddie lamp. Now, if I can only figure out how to do a screen shot. Am not on Facebook or Instagram. Thanks... |
thundergod 01.08.2018 05:40 |
How exciting is this? All of us celebrating Freddie. I only wish he knew all of you wonderful people as well as I have grown to love you all. I'm sure Freddie would approve. He always identified true kindness in people and was attracted to that - well, perhaps not in boyfriends. |
matt z 02.08.2018 00:10 |
Wow.... nearly half way there!.... One request, Thor. Keep the offer open (to myself- haha) so I can buy into this. Just happened to be around rent/cc payment/phone dates....so the funds r low until the 10th. I think you'll be at or surpass the goal this weekend when people get word of it and have spare time |
thundergod 02.08.2018 01:46 |
Don't worry MattZ, a special copy will be available to you! |
Saint Jiub 02.08.2018 04:25 |
thundergod wrote: Could it be that this thread has come alive again?...please don't tell the trolls.....shhhhh.Ha Ha ... too late ... Let the abusive trolls fuck off and eat cake. |
Saint Jiub 02.08.2018 04:39 |
Thor - I just donated $51 anonymously a few minutes ago (because my wife dislikes YouFundMe and wanted me to contribute anonymously). Hopefully, a special copy will be available for me as well as MattZ ... LOL |
thundergod 02.08.2018 05:16 |
Of course, thank you for letting me know your mystery identity. The goal is moving forward, Hopefully your book will be on the way soon. All my best, Thor |
Villiers2 02.08.2018 12:17 |
I got you, Rainbow. Sorry, it's refusing to let me message you back for some reason. The page wont load. But you're in the running |
Rainbow61 02.08.2018 20:35 |
Villiers2, YEAH! Thank you so much. |
RobbyBloodshed 05.08.2018 19:39 |
Long time lurker, first time poster, absolutely love the questions and stories being asked/told here! I have a question @Thor When you guys were hanging at a club/what have you in NYC, did Queen get played at the places you were hanging? That had to have been funny for Freddie to hear himself sing while you guys were partying away.. |
Katydyd5 06.08.2018 02:19 |
Welcome to the group Robby. I'm not sure Thor is back full time and answering questions yet, though I know he hopes to be soon. Your question is good and I'm hoping he'll share the story about Philadelphia and AOBTD. It's a gem. |
thundergod 07.08.2018 19:31 |
I'm back from scorching Palm Springs (118 degrees Fahrenheit). Here, back in San Diego, it is 78! Thank you Katydyd for addressing Robby's question in my absence. Robby, basically Katydyd is referring to the concert in Philadelphia (the day after I met Freddie in New York.) After his concert, Freddie wanted to check out the night-life in Philadelphia. The doorman at the big club of that time. was checking ID and at first, since Freddy doesn't carry ID with him, was not allowed in. In the background "Another One Bites the Dust" was pulsing from the dance floor up the staircase. Freddie, after about 5 seconds told me and Phoebe, "Darling it's time to pull rank!" He went up to the doorman and shouted, "That's my FUCKING song you're playing." We were then whisked in, to which Freddie said, "Fucking right!" |
Katydyd5 08.08.2018 01:10 |
I love that story. It's so Freddie. Your weather in San Diego sounds lovely. We are hot and humid here. I'm barely human in the summer. |
Katydyd5 08.08.2018 02:22 |
Thor, when you are answering questions again, I would like to hear more on Robby's question. Did you guys ever hear Freddie's songs while you were in clubs? If you did and Freddie was just "one of the guys", did he react? |
thundergod 08.08.2018 02:57 |
Other than that night of August 1980 in Philadelphia, we never encountered Queen songs in any of the clubs we went to while Freddie was in New York. My X and I freaked out when we heard "Born to Love You" blasting at a popular disco in Palm Springs called CC Construction Co. We had no idea about this song as this came out during his absence in Germany. To this day, It is still our favorite dance song, especially when they dropped a screen over the dance floor and played the video. We were in heaven. |
Rainbow61 08.08.2018 03:26 |
Thor, Every time you share one of those wonderful stories, it makes me even more excited for the book! "I Was Born to Love You" is also one of my favorites...both the song and the video. Okay...if Freddie had ever offered you the opportunity to have a small bit part in a video as an extra, would that have been something you would have considered doing? Just curious! |
thundergod 08.08.2018 03:29 |
YES...YES...and YES! but it never came up...oh well. |
matt z 10.08.2018 21:29 |
well... made my contribution as I'd said I would. Thanks, Thor |
SmokyQuartz 10.08.2018 22:37 |
Thanks for your lovely message Thor, but you and Lee are the generous ones for giving of your time to all of us. :-) (I donated anonymously as I was at work and couldn't decide what to do, lol, but happy to share my identity with those I 'know' here. :-) ) |
matt z 05.09.2018 15:42 |
Hey Thor! Happy Birthday to Freddie today! I hope I didn't accidentally SPAM your GOFUNDME page... if I have, could you please delete my comments? The site mapping kept saying "AN ERROR HAS OCCURRED WITH YOUR MESSAGE, PLEASE TRY AGAIN LATER" ....So I did... and the error persisted later as well... Until I got a comment stating "You have reached the maximum amount of comments for this time" Yikes! Wouldn't wanna look like an @$$#ole there! Anyways, Wish you success on this endeavor... I hope the project gains some steam at this time! |
thundergod 06.09.2018 23:11 |
Hey MattZ #1 Not a problem as far as I know. Nothing strange discovered when I just reviewed the site. Yes, wish I could have attended the big birthday celebration in Montreau, Switzerland. By the way, I am waiting for several publishers to review our material. Got a big turn-down from someone I really thought would like the book. She stated that although she sees a lot of good material, she only accepts projects that she is PASSIONATE about. Who is not passionate about Queen and Freddie Mercury? Anyway, we move on. Chances of getting published before November 2nd for the premier of "Bohemian Rhapsody" seems unlikely. We will persevere! All my best to you, Thor (and on behalf of Lee) |
Katydyd5 06.09.2018 23:47 |
That's disappointing Thor, but I'm glad to hear that you will continue to persevere. These publishers just don't know what they are missing. Matt, I see only one post from you on the GFM site. |
The Squirrelly One 07.09.2018 00:22 |
Thor I'm sure you've talked about this before but why not simply use Amazon? My daughter published her book there (now removed while she edits and attempts new add ons) and she said it's very easy to publish through and it costs nearly nothing for the authors to go through. If you're worried about promotion (or lack there of) without a big publisher, dont. You guys have thousands of people online who are already waiting for this book on different forms of social media. It only takes one to post it to a big group and the word travels fast. Amazon prints by demand. Seems like the route to take, no? |
thundergod 07.09.2018 01:32 |
Hi Squirrelly One, You may have a very good point there. I will contact Lee this week (I just left Palm Springs again yesterday). That may be a way we could go. I do have another good prospect who literally works for a company that is 1/8 of a mile from my house - walking distance. Thanks for your idea. . |
SmokyQuartz 07.09.2018 22:17 |
Oh dear......someone is going to find their passion alright.....but they'll find it too late! lol. Ah well, Thor and Lee....at least with her firm 'no' she's freed you up to find the right person who will say Yes. |
thundergod 07.09.2018 22:37 |
Hey Smoky, Thanks for the encouraging words of optimism...I think you are exactly right! |
Villiers2 08.09.2018 20:13 |
Hey Thor. A few of us found this never before seen pic of freddie with a lover he apparently dated for some time. My creepy overly obsessed fan knowledge tells me that background looks like his place in England before garden lodge so idk if you guys knew this fella or not. Does anyone know his name? Some folks tried asking the guy who posted it for more info and hes not responding. Probaboy creeped out by us lmao |
thundergod 08.09.2018 21:26 |
Wow Villiers I never heard of this man nor do I recognize him. It seems that he may have met Freddie during the Munich, Germany days where Freddie called us maybe only two or three times...and as it looks, was very busy! This could possibly be before he met that crazy Barbara woman. I'm sorry that I don't have more information about this. |
Katydyd5 08.09.2018 23:10 |
He's new to me too Villiers. And I have way too much creepy overly obsessed fan knowledge too. I always study the background in pictures because you can learn so much. |
Katydyd5 09.09.2018 02:10 |
I feel the need to explain my last post because I sound like a bleeping stalker. Not at all. I just like to learn about people and I do that with all pictures, not just Freddie. Shoot, I'm one of those people who will let you drag out your high school yearbook and I'll be fascinated by it. Family home movies??? I'm there. Maybe I'm just visual. |
MisterCosmicc 27.09.2018 19:40 |
Which dance moves were best in the clubs? |
runner_70 27.09.2018 22:40 |
who is that dumb to spend money on someone wanting to cash in on a short affair and publishing pix that were meant to stay private. Kudos to those that dont want to publish that kind of apalling books cashing in on someone who cannot defend himself anymore. During his lifetime Freddie would have sued the crap out of them. Too bad that Freddie's so called friends are that disrespectful. Hutton's book was annoying and shameful as well |
matt z 28.09.2018 07:22 |
^ trying to get an angry response, eh? I believe they have good intentions and will await the outcome. I hope the book comes out. There WERE some great insights into the man. I can understand another's opinion that things ought to remain private. I just don't believe this is as trashy as you're treating it. |
runner_70 28.09.2018 13:49 |
It is just treating your deceased friend (if he ever was one) like shit. Maybe it's just me ok.....No wonder Freddie kicked em out one by one in his last years..... If I have a friend I surely don't air intimate details and go on the internet and share them. Disgusting behaviour.... I read a few lines - maybe it is just a guy who wants to earn a quick buck (which he did by now). If this was a real "friend" then I pity him |
Iron Butterfly 28.09.2018 17:48 |
matt z wrote: ^ trying to get an angry response, eh? I believe they have good intentions and will await the outcome. I hope the book comes out. There WERE some great insights into the man. I can understand another's opinion that things ought to remain private. I just don't believe this is as trashy as you're treating it.I don't get a trashy vibe at all. More of a friend sharing me ories of a friend. |
runner_70 28.09.2018 18:43 |
Well I might be oldschool - if I wanna remember my deceased old friend I don't go to a messageboard and talk about private details in front of strangers. Seems like attenttion seeking and a moneygrab for this supposed book, which came only later on in the thread. I also find Phoebe and Hutton a disgrace. If I was Freddie and was still alive I'd surely be not amused if they made money from my private life noone is supposed to know..... |
RobbyBloodshed 28.09.2018 21:29 |
runner_70 wrote: Seems your money is gone. But who is that dumb to spend money on someone wanting to cash in on a short affair and publishing pix that were meant to stay privateYou have NO clue what you're talking about. I've had the pleasure of meeting Thor, he is beyond the nicest guy. He has no ill intentions with this book, it is to purely keep the Freddie Mercury legend alive and to keep adding great stories of Freddie alive/flowing. If you don't want to grab the book, good riddance, everyone else will enjoy. |
runner_70 28.09.2018 21:36 |
Yeah no ill intention but opening a pledge account to gather money to air his dirty laundry. I wish I never have such kinda friends. Sad and disgusting. And the majority ist lusting for more. Like watching a car crash.....sad |
RobbyBloodshed 28.09.2018 21:55 |
runner_70 wrote: Yeah no ill intention but opening a pledge account to gather money to air his dirty laundry. I wish I never have such kinda friends. Sad and disgusting. And the majority ist lusting for more. Like watching a car crash.....sadWhat dirty laundry though? You keep trying to make it out as if he's writing a gross tabloid. Which isn't the case at all. He's helping keep the memory of a kind and genuine person alive. Telling fun and great stories about the guy we all idolize. |
runner_70 29.09.2018 06:19 |
Surely you dont need a self called friend to keep his Memory alive by selling Photos which were supposed to be private |
runner_70 29.09.2018 08:22 |
pittrek wrote: Am I the only one who is absolutely DISGUSTED by this type of threads?No you are not...... |
runner_70 29.09.2018 08:27 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: You didnt answer the question. What happens if we pay for the money you guys still don't have enough to publish the book? Do we get a refund or a rough draft or what?your money was gone right from the start...spending cash in disgusting books like this is a shame... |
runner_70 29.09.2018 08:27 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: You didnt answer the question. What happens if we pay for the money you guys still don't have enough to publish the book? Do we get a refund or a rough draft or what?your money was gone right from the start...... |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.09.2018 16:58 |
Lol runner stop trying to twist my words. He answered my question. My money is fine. So is everyone else's. If you're going to troll, do a better job. You're a pretty shitty one so far. |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.09.2018 17:02 |
If you're so butt hurt about this thread and hate these guys so much then fuck off. You're talking out of your ass and have been since you've started here. If the book doesn't get going they already said they're refunding everyone. What's the difference between what they're doing and what Peter Freestone did? And shut the fuck up about Jim. I knew the guy for years and his book was not bad in any way. Trying to claim these guys weren't really friends to freddie LOL can you be any more jealous? And who told you they were cut out of his life at the end? Maybe before anymore retarded assumptions, read the thread. They were at Freddie's place visiting him at the end BY FREDDIE'S OWN REQUEST. Shut. The fuck. Up |
Villiers2 29.09.2018 17:07 |
LMAO Jesus Christ, this guy even spent the engery on creating an account to leave a nasty message on their GoFundMe page. How pathetic can you be, boo? Seek help and maybe...a blow up doll to occupy your time? |
runner_70 29.09.2018 21:52 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: If you're so butt hurt about this thread and hate these guys so much then fuck off. You're talking out of your ass and have been since you've started here. If the book doesn't get going they already said they're refunding everyone. What's the difference between what they're doing and what Peter Freestone did? And shut the fuck up about Jim. I knew the guy for years and his book was not bad in any way. Trying to claim these guys weren't really friends to freddie LOL can you be any more jealous? And who told you they were cut out of his life at the end? Maybe before anymore retarded assumptions, read the thread. They were at Freddie's place visiting him at the end BY FREDDIE'S OWN REQUEST. Shut. The fuck. UpHuttons book was not bad???? Talking about Freddie s pain and illness in every detail even how he peed himself? Is that really what you want to read???????? Well to each his own. Freestone is the same - making a living with intimate details from his employer. Sad. And these two guys seem to run out of money as well and now try to make a quick buck with some photos of their circle in the 80's. Sad as well. |
runner_70 29.09.2018 21:54 |
Villiers2 wrote: LMAO Jesus Christ, this guy even spent the engery on creating an account to leave a nasty message on their GoFundMe page. How pathetic can you be, boo? Seek help and maybe...a blow up doll to occupy your time?Not pathetic just the simple truth |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.09.2018 00:05 |
Jim and Peter didn't "run out of money" . Lol you sound so desperate to paint them as jerks you're grabbing at straws! How would you know Jim mentioned Freddie wet himself? You read that "horrible" book? You contributed to that "awful" thing by readin it? Lol shut up. Yeah, Freddie peed himself at the end. Like my dad did when he passed. They couldn't control that function anymore. Does it make me a money hungry sack of shit to talk about that? Should I lie about the way my dad died and claim his white washed "soulmate" best girl pal held his hand at the end of his life instead? Yeah you're right. Jim totally should have just lied and said freddie closed his eyes and fairy dust fell from the sky and he was lifted up by rainbows instead. Telling the truth is such a shitty thing to do. Telling people what AIDS does to someone is just awful and we should just lie about it. As a matter of fact let's just tell everyone AIDS is a fun time. You dude, are a massive jackass. And just in case you want to come back with "well Mary didn't sell a book" no she didnt. She just sat for multiple paid interviews and shat on his parents and the band after he died. Whatta saint. |
thundergod 30.09.2018 01:44 |
Dustin, Just wrote you a pm. |
RobbyBloodshed 30.09.2018 02:53 |
I had the pleasure of meeting and hanging out in Manhattan with Thor on Thursday night. I am very excited for this book. Thor is such a great dude, a very sincere person, and had some great things to say about his friend Freddie. link ... Runner70 movealong with the nonsense, you do not know what you’re talking about. Thor has nothing but positive intentions. |
runner_70 30.09.2018 10:30 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Jim and Peter didn't "run out of money" . Lol you sound so desperate to paint them as jerks you're grabbing at straws! How would you know Jim mentioned Freddie wet himself? You read that "horrible" book? You contributed to that "awful" thing by readin it? Lol shut up. Yeah, Freddie peed himself at the end. Like my dad did when he passed. They couldn't control that function anymore. Does it make me a money hungry sack of shit to talk about that? Should I lie about the way my dad died and claim his white washed "soulmate" best girl pal held his hand at the end of his life instead? Yeah you're right. Jim totally should have just lied and said freddie closed his eyes and fairy dust fell from the sky and he was lifted up by rainbows instead. Telling the truth is such a shitty thing to do. Telling people what AIDS does to someone is just awful and we should just lie about it. As a matter of fact let's just tell everyone AIDS is a fun time. You dude, are a massive jackass. And just in case you want to come back with "well Mary didn't sell a book" no she didnt. She just sat for multiple paid interviews and shat on his parents and the band after he died. Whatta saint.You're a fucking fan of tabloid headlines and dirty laundry. Going public with intimate details about your supposed friend/lover is the lowest of the low and so are you. And talking about those details for money in a book is something different. PS Mary never aired dirty laundry in public. And she surely was not a fan of his "circle" in his last years. Obviously well deserved. |
runner_70 30.09.2018 10:32 |
RobbyBloodshed wrote: I had the pleasure of meeting and hanging out in Manhattan with Thor on Thursday night. I am very excited for this book. Thor is such a great dude, a very sincere person, and had some great things to say about his friend Freddie. link ... Runner70 movealong with the nonsense, you do not know what you’re talking about. Thor has nothing but positive intentions.Yeah the main positive intention is to make some quick buck with his deceased friend. ASk yourself one thing: Would Freddie like these pix being open to the public? There you have the answer.... |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.09.2018 13:04 |
Message from Thor: Thanks for the info Dustin! We are near to our goal. Everyone who has donated gets updates on how it's going. They know that none of their funds are going to be touched until we get a publisher. All funds are in a separate account and all money will be returned if we don't get picked up by a publisher. That will probably be in April 2019. As a positive well-wisher told me, J.K.Rawlings was turned down by 50 publishing companies before she landed one. Who would care about a wizard boy's adventures? I'll bet they are regretting their decisions now! This last part of the book's realization is the hardest. We've gotten some good responses and praise for the writing and the pictures, but then we've heard too many times (just,SO FAR) that their company does not publish our type of book. I would rather not read the negativism but you have my permission to copy and past this message on QueenZone. Thor Arnold and Lee Nolan |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.09.2018 13:06 |
@Robby very cool thanks for sharing! Thor's still looking great. Did you get a chance to discuss Freddie with him or was that just a quick meet up? |
Katydyd5 30.09.2018 13:20 |
Thanks for sharing Thor's message Dustin. He is such a gentleman! Lucky you Robby!! I hope he's at a book signing some day and I can meet him then. |
RobbyBloodshed 30.09.2018 13:53 |
We did talk about Freddie for a bit, we hung out had dinner/drinks so we were able to hang for a while.
We’re all going to be in for a treat with his book, he’s a great guy, very positive so I’m sure that’ll reflect in the book!
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: @Robby very cool thanks for sharing! Thor's still looking great. Did you get a chance to discuss Freddie with him or was that just a quick meet up? |
SmokyQuartz 30.09.2018 17:17 |
My oh my.....just catching up. Robbybloodshed, great post on facebook! Thor, you look great in that pic! Personally I think it's Thor's (and Lee's) modesty that is the reason this thing hasn't gone viral......yet. They have always talked respectfully about Freddie and only engaged with those who did the same. They have every right to share some happy photos of a unique time in history with their famous friend. I can't wait for the book. |
SmokyQuartz 30.09.2018 17:49 |
Thanks Dustin for sharing Thor's message! |
thundergod 01.10.2018 01:26 |
Hey Smoky, Thanks for your never ending support of our project. AND...thank you for mentioning Robby! We had a few great hours together this past Thursday while I was once again visiting New York for my niece's 30th birthday. This dude at 21 has started his own band and tours the entire US. He laid-out his plans for the future and I definitely see a rising star in the making. He respects all styles of music (and even, as I learned, Broadway show tunes). We went to the first bar in New York that I worked for at 17 years old. It's a piano/sing- along bar in an historic building where Thomas Paine wrote the "Crisis Papers" called Marie's Crisis on Grove St. in the West Village. It still looked the same as it did 45 years ago. Robby and I had a blast! He struck me as a serious, yet humorous young man with maturity way beyond his years. Freddie would have loved him. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 12:48 |
"Freddie would have love...." seems to have become the synonym for shameful actions it seems....no Freddie would NOT have loved a book with private pix.... |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 13:07 |
Yeah, because you knew Freddie personally and knew what he would and wouldn't have wanted. Lol you're getting so upset that you're not able to ruin this for them. You're not changing anyone's mind, troll. A great way to spend your time. At the end of your life, when you look back, you can now proudly say "I tried and failed to make Freddie Mercury's gay friends look bad and stop a photo book from happening. What an honor." Then when you get up to the pearly gates, Freddie himself can tell you to fuck off. Well done. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 15:16 |
Dustin Zimmermann you are the most pathetic person on queenzone ever. And thats including the Glamberts. Now keep on asskissing your "friends". Everyone knows that most of Freddies so called friends were illoyal, dishonest and living on Freddies money. And now 27 years later they snub him again. You can twist and turn it as you want: Selling private pix of a man that cannot defend himself anymore is the lowest of the low. Maybe someone should inform Jim Beach |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 16:44 |
Jim Beach already knows. He gave the thumbs up alongside Peter Freestone and Brian May. You failed, bud. Nobody is going to change their mind here. The ironic part of your post is you calling anyone else but yourself pathetic. Which one of us is trying desperately to stop a Freddie Mercury book from happening? And failing miserably? That's you, friend. Notice how nobody here stood up and said "HEEEEEY! This guy hassa poooooint! I hate gays tooooooo! I'm not gonna buy this garbage!" Weird. Since you're so sure you're right. You'd think being right would mean someone here would support you, no? Hmmm It's almost as if you've come on here and made a complete ass of yourself. Funny, that. |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 16:52 |
Dustin, believe me we all agree with you but the best thing to do with kids like runner is to ignore them. Let him throw his little temper tantrum and don't respond. It's how toddlers learn. Seeing as he seems to have the intelligence of one, it's probably the best route to take. Do as his parents did and just pretend he doesn't even exist. Very cool pic with Thor! Thor the pic you sent me last year of you looked great but this ones even better. Time has been kind to you! |
runner_70 01.10.2018 18:38 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Jim Beach already knows. He gave the thumbs up alongside Peter Freestone and Brian May. You failed, bud. Nobody is going to change their mind here. The ironic part of your post is you calling anyone else but yourself pathetic. Which one of us is trying desperately to stop a Freddie Mercury book from happening? And failing miserably? That's you, friend. Notice how nobody here stood up and said "HEEEEEY! This guy hassa poooooint! I hate gays tooooooo! I'm not gonna buy this garbage!" Weird. Since you're so sure you're right. You'd think being right would mean someone here would support you, no? Hmmm It's almost as if you've come on here and made a complete ass of yourself. Funny, that.Still trying to be even more pathetic. YOu and your so called friends can do whatever you like. Those that hate tabloids dirty laundry and disrespectfulness have left already. Just read the threads. Can you show me the link where Jim Beach and Brian May (who HATED Freddie's circle of friends and tabloid stories) have sanctioned this book. Thank you! And I believe that Freestone gave his thumbs up as he belongs to those guys making a living out of Freddie's death. WTF needs to ask Freestone??? You are a total shipwreck with your non existant logic. And where did I say I hate gays you fuckwhit? I hate people calling themselves "friends" and instead of keeping their mouths shut they do a kiss-and tell book and make money of their so called friend. Still don't know what's so great about a book that is including PRIVATE pictures and the guy who is shown there is dead. Enlighten us plz |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 18:43 |
@Dustin were you the one I was messaging about knowing Brian a while back? My messages are not loading anynore |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 18:44 |
Jim Beach approved it via Freeatone. Peter talked about it at the convention in America. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 18:49 |
Nobody said they had to ask Freestone. He just listed the people who all approved of the book. You mentioned Beach and he listed him as one of the guys supporting it. Brian and Freestone too because they are behind it as well. There's no point in being nasty. Trust me it gets you nowhere. I was once like you. You don't need to be disrespectful to the guys if you disagree with them Runner. You can state your difference of opinion and walk away. I'm not sure why you're still here stirring the pot if you've already made your point. Seems pretty childish. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 18:52 |
Squirrelly no but you and I have spoken before privately. I know you knew Brian tho if I'm remembering correctly. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 19:01 |
Stop The Madness wrote: Jim Beach approved it via Freeatone. Peter talked about it at the convention in America.Sure JB is using Freestone as his spokesperson. How pathetic can you get guys? After reading you guys only in this section I have to assume that you are on this guy's payroll and do some promotion. Kudos to you but you fail miserably. Call me back when you sue em for the lost money. Freddie would have sued the shit out of anyone who tried to publish a book like that ....... |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 19:12 |
M'k. "Vis Freestone" means Freestone was the one to report back about Beach's response not that he was the one to bring it to Beach. Brian May told Beach. I'm sure you know since you read this thread that 2 of the members here know Brian personally. I know you're upset but it's plain not as bad as you're really trying to make it out to be. Not every person in his life was out to do the worst. I can tell you that you sounded a lot like me when I first started on this thread. You have a real problem with the gay people in his life and really love Mary Austin when if we're being honest she did the same thing. That's probably what they're talking about when they assume you hate gays. Mary didn't write a book but she got paid to do tons of interviews where she discussed the change in their sex life and so on. She is not without sin either. If she was a clean as all that she wouldn't have done any interviews and wouldn't have said anything about their life together. You can't claim the gays are wrong for their books whole Mary was right for doing paid interviews and magazine spreads about the man. I can't speak for anyone else here but I won't be responding to you anymore. It's just time to move on Runner. I've been in your shoes man it's not going to get you anywhere attacking this thread. You're just going to be shut out by everyone. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 19:18 |
TOns of interviews?????? I remember Mry doing 3 (!!!) lil interviews in 27 years. And there must be a reason why she threw Phobe and the rest out of the house soon after Freddie passed away.....She was nothing but respectful. She could have EASILY written a book about her Freddie story. She wasnt even involved in the movie. So stop you mad arguments that lead to nowhere |
Villiers2 01.10.2018 19:22 |
"Freddie would have loved to sued the shit out of anyone who published a book like that" How long did you know Freddie personally, runner? I guess I'm just wondering why (if Freddie would have been so pro-lawsuit over this book) he didn't sue anyone else who made books about him while he was alive? Plenty were out there. I've seen a few Queen books signed by him and the boys sold through Julien's auction house a few years back. He knew they existed. If he was so quick to sue, hell....why didn't he sue the one guy we all know for a fact screwed him over- Paul Prenter? Are you SURE he "would have sued" these guys for making a book with photos he himself loved showing people? A book that will not include dirty secrets or rude remarks? Seems highly unlikely to me. But since you're so sure of Freddie's wishes, I'd be really interested to know how long you knew Freddie personally and how you met him. It's one thing to have an opposing opinion but it's another to speak for someone else as a fact. |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 19:30 |
Well said Villers2. Anyone seen all the movie trailers so far? I'd be interested to know what Thor thinks about them. I think there's 2 or 3 out now? I didn't think Rami could pull it off but I have to admit I do get Freddie vibes off of him in some scenes. The young man playing Brian is the most shocking. He could be Brian's flesh and blood they're so similar! |
runner_70 01.10.2018 19:30 |
Villiers2 wrote: "Freddie would have loved to sued the shit out of anyone who published a book like that" How long did you know Freddie personally, runner? I guess I'm just wondering why (if Freddie would have been so pro-lawsuit over this book) he didn't sue anyone else who made books about him while he was alive? Plenty were out there. I've seen a few Queen books signed by him and the boys sold through Julien's auction house a few years back. He knew they existed. If he was so quick to sue, hell....why didn't he sue the one guy we all know for a fact screwed him over- Paul Prenter? Are you SURE he "would have sued" these guys for making a book with photos he himself loved showing people? A book that will not include dirty secrets or rude remarks? Seems highly unlikely to me. But since you're so sure of Freddie's wishes, I'd be really interested to know how long you knew Freddie personally and how you met him. It's one thing to have an opposing opinion but it's another to speak for someone else as a fact.You missed the irony then. Those guys claim "Freddie would have loved it...." as Brian said Freddie would have loved AL. Bullcrap. And show me the biographies about Freddie in his lifetime???99% of the Queen/Freddie books were released after his death. I know my Queen history my friend. As far as Prenter goes: He went to the tabloids and did a kiss and tell all story. Too late to sue as it is already out. Before you embarrass yourself even more just stay silent TY: Still waiting for the reason that a book of PRIVATE photos has any other reason than making a quick buck out of a dead guy.... |
Villiers2 01.10.2018 19:45 |
You smugly say you know your Queen history but dont know about the list of Queen books out well before Freddie died? Here's a list: An Official Biography plus Their Recent U.S Royal Tour Larry Pryce, 1976. Queen George Tremlett, 1976. An Illustrated Biography Judith Davis, 1981. Queen 'Greatest Pix' Jacques Lowe, 1981. Photo collection Guttons for Punishment - The South America Tours Photo Book 1981 Queen 'The First 12 Years' The First Ten Years Mike West, 1982. Revised and republished as 'The First Twelve Years' in 1984. Queen 'The New Visual Documentary' A Visual Documentary Ken Dean, 1986. I dont think I will take your advice to sit down and stay quiet because it seems you're the one embarrassing yourself here. As a lawyer I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that he had every right to sue after Paul sold the story. How does one sue BEFORE the defamation of character ever takes place? That....makes....no sense whatsoever. I'm still waiting to hear how you met freddie and how long you knew him for. See, when Brian or Thor or....idk even....Tim Curry say "Freddie would _____" it carries weight because...um...they KNEW him in real life. So again.....when did you met him and how long did you know him? You're slipping fast. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 19:49 |
LMAO WAIT did you just claim it was "too late" for Freddie to sue Paul after the story was sold? You don't even have a BASIC understanding of lawsuits do you? You're going on and on about people making themselves look bad and you're sitting here eating paste! LOL this is all gold! The fucking irony of this guy! There were books on top of books about Queen before he died! Maybe you were too busy playing your ABBA record for the umpteenth to notice. Put your Glambert cds away and pick up a Queen book. Educate yourself. |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 19:53 |
Hahaha! I know I was all a bout ignoring him this is too much! You know all about queen but dont know books were out on them when Freddie was alive?! You think it was too late for him to sue Prenter once he sold the story? Honey how do you think people sue other people? You sue someone WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING WRONG. Meaning: you sue them AFTER the bad thing occurs. You're really painting yourself into a corner here and it's got the be the funniest stuff I've seen online in a while! Take a page form your own book and sit down hahaha |
The Real Wizard 01.10.2018 19:56 |
thundergod wrote: Hey Smoky, Thanks for your never ending support of our project. AND...thank you for mentioning Robby! We had a few great hours together this past Thursday while I was once again visiting New York for my niece's 30th birthday. This dude at 21 has started his own band and tours the entire US. He laid-out his plans for the future and I definitely see a rising star in the making. He respects all styles of music (and even, as I learned, Broadway show tunes). We went to the first bar in New York that I worked for at 17 years old. It's a piano/sing- along bar in an historic building where Thomas Paine wrote the "Crisis Papers" called Marie's Crisis on Grove St. in the West Village. It still looked the same as it did 45 years ago. Robby and I had a blast! He struck me as a serious, yet humorous young man with maturity way beyond his years. Freddie would have loved him.Right on - loved reading this. Stick to the good, and toss the bad. This forum has virtually no moderation, so the trolls are rampant. Do not take them seriously or let any of their meaningless drivel live rent-free in your head. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 20:50 |
Villiers2 wrote: You smugly say you know your Queen history but dont know about the list of Queen books out well before Freddie died? Here's a list: An Official Biography plus Their Recent U.S Royal Tour Larry Pryce, 1976. Queen George Tremlett, 1976. An Illustrated Biography Judith Davis, 1981. Queen 'Greatest Pix' Jacques Lowe, 1981. Photo collection Guttons for Punishment - The South America Tours Photo Book 1981 Queen 'The First 12 Years' The First Ten Years Mike West, 1982. Revised and republished as 'The First Twelve Years' in 1984. Queen 'The New Visual Documentary' A Visual Documentary Ken Dean, 1986. I dont think I will take your advice to sit down and stay quiet because it seems you're the one embarrassing yourself here. As a lawyer I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that he had every right to sue after Paul sold the story. How does one sue BEFORE the defamation of character ever takes place? That....makes....no sense whatsoever. I'm still waiting to hear how you met freddie and how long you knew him for. See, when Brian or Thor or....idk even....Tim Curry say "Freddie would _____" it carries weight because...um...they KNEW him in real life. So again.....when did you met him and how long did you know him? You're slipping fast.How embarrassing can you get? Almost all those books were official QPL Products. After Freddies Death the Market was flooded with Biographies of socalled "inner circle" people. Then came Hutton and Freestones books. |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 20:53 |
She shut you down bad runner. How embarrassing can YOU get? She said queen books existed before he died. Tou said they didnt. She gave you a list of them and they years they were realised. All before freddie died. She proved you wrong. which wasnt hard to do. You still havent answered her question! When did you meet Freddie and for how long?? She just made a you into boo boo the fool hahaha |
runner_70 01.10.2018 20:57 |
So much for Prenter: He surely must have been an ass but most of his story was true (Freddie's friends dying from AIDS etc). It was just being illoyal. Same with this book advertised by you. Still waiting for an explanation why a book with private pix is worth a release. Especially when there are tons of books around. And why you lot never post in other qz sections???i mean it is clear you have no clue about Queen and Freddie but nonetheless |
runner_70 01.10.2018 21:04 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: She shut you down bad runner. How embarrassing can YOU get? She said queen books existed before he died. Tou said they didnt. She gave you a list of them and they years they were realised. All before freddie died. She proved you wrong. which wasnt hard to do. You still havent answered her question! When did you meet Freddie and for how long?? She just made a you into boo boo the fool hahahaI said 99%of Queen and FREDDIE Books were released after his Death. Which is true. Most of the books you mentioned are tourbooks (Gluttons/Magic etc) which document a tour. A FREDDIE ONLY book was not available. Especially no kiss and tell book. The books released on Queen and especially Freddie after 1991 are in the hundreds. Stop embarrassing yourself with your non existant Queen knowledge |
Villiers2 01.10.2018 21:07 |
Hmmm...it would seem as though Mr.Runner has no answer for my question and doesn't like the fact that he was wrong about yet another topic. This was fun. Thanks! Lol So let's summarize. Runner got upset and got rude about this book being made then tried to claim this whole thing is a money scam based on nothing but his own assumptions. In reality, both Thor and the site GoFundMe itself have a legal guarantee to return all donations to those who made them if the book does not come to be. With all of Runner's knowledge of the legal system I wonder if he knows what legal action can be taken against him for making the claim that this whole thing is a money based scam? I bet he didn't think about that before 'running' off the mouth. Maybe don't attempt to make false legal claims against a protected party who have done nothing wrong. But back to the summary- our friend Runner then claims to know for a fact that Freddie would have sued Thor and Lee for this book of photos that Freddie himself loved to show people. Hmm. Odd, seeing as he didn't sue any of the other books with info and previously unseen photos that were realised before he died. He didnt even sue Paul Prenter when he genuinely sold him out. According to Runner's vast legal know-how, you can't sue someone once they've done something illegal or wrong. As a lawyer and a woman with common sense, I can assure you...that's not the case. But anyway, once shown that books did exist while Freddie was still alive, poor Runner dodged my question for the 3rd time (How long did you know Freddie peronally since you're able to speak for him?) and has now resorted to...well, I'm not sure what this is. All he's doing now is repeating things other people have told him and acting as if he came up with the zingers himself. So Runner, I'll just be sitting back watching your responses from now on and not engaging. Screenshots of your claims about this whole thing being a money scam have been taken and I'd like to see what can be done about them legally if Thor or Lee so choose. Best |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 21:09 |
Tty again runner. SHE told you that freddie knew about queen books being released and signed. YOU claimed they didn't exist. Now you're claiming theu dont count because they werent made about just freddie alone. You really did fail majorly here. Do your ankles hurt from all that backpedaling? |
Villiers2 01.10.2018 21:18 |
From here on out, I would advise those of you thinking of engaging with Runner to avoid it. I've sent Thor a message and will contact Lee to let them know they have a right to take legal action if they want to. This isn't my field (family law) but I'd be happy to recommend them to someone who is looking to do a pro bono case before the end of the year. Take care all. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 21:22 |
The gofund me page was already almost taken down for legal reasons. It is well documented in the gfm page as well. Just plain facts that makes you wonder about the Motivation of this book. The genuine question is: Why release a book with PRIVATE pictures that never should be made public. The fact that Freddie showed those pix to friends doesnt mean that he wants the whole world to see it. Big difference. I also said it us completely shameful to issue a book about a dead guy which shows him in private. Not too much difference to Prenter. I also said that it is no coincidence that those posters in this thread advertising the book are nowhere to be seen elsewhere on qz. Says it all .... I stand by my Word that this book is just about making a quick buck on a so called friend who just happens to be a wellknown celebrity while movie is coming out about him and his band at the same time. And I certainly dont need no self proclaimed lawyers threatening me for my opinion about this.i would hsvethe right to sue those guys as well as rhey insulted me in the gfm page. But as i am not in kindergarden anymore i leave it as ut is as i have more important things to do |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 21:26 |
Villiers2 I got the screen shots of him saying the money was already gone if you need any more I can email them to you if you PM me your address. I have a feeling he might try to edit it remove comments. GoFundMe shows all the money there and what he tried to claim they did was pull the money out already. GoFundMe responded last night saying they have not touched the money if you need that screen shot of that email too. |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 21:32 |
I'm not responding to him but just saying to the general public that Villier's first account had been on the thread since it began and for over a year everyone here knew she was a lawyer. It's in the threads as far back as 2017. Some of us also had her facebook page. I'm happy to say I support her action here. And just to the general public....an opinion and "your money was gone right from the start....." are two very different things and boy am I sure glad I wasn't the one that made that statement. Back to the movie now! |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 21:36 |
Oh and again to general public (since some people like to edit comments after they've posted them) a question to Villiers2: can someone sue for harassing Thor and Lee on their GoFundMe page and then claiming harassment himself when Thor responded with a calm none threatening reply? |
Villiers2 01.10.2018 21:38 |
Dustin yes please check your PM, thanks. |
Saint Jiub 01.10.2018 21:39 |
Why waste time and taxpayer money to sue a lone idiot with absolutely no credibility or common sense? |
runner_70 01.10.2018 21:40 |
Spending money on this kinda crap is like flushing it right into the toilet. So the money is gone right from the Start is a fitting statement. There you have it again. Like spending 50p on the sun reading Prenters dirty laundry. Good luck sueing me. Gonna inform QPL as well. Maybe those pix are under Copyright Control and QPL might be interested.......if there are pix from Freddies own private collection they sure will...... |
Villiers2 01.10.2018 21:44 |
TSO please direct all further thoughts or comments on this to my PM. But to answer your question hypothetically, no. They could try to but would only end up losing and paying court and legal costs. The act of harassment and false claims came from the other party on two different websites. Thor and Lee's responses have been non threatening and within the legal space. Making false statements of where our money has gone is a very different matter all together. As I said, all original comments have already been captured. Please do not engage with him any further. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 21:45 |
Pretty sure she said pro bono. I don't think the guy will ever make it to court. He knows he wouldn't win. |
Villiers2 01.10.2018 21:56 |
Dustin pro bono means the lawyer is free, not the time of the judge and court costs for time, which would still be paid. That's what they mean. However, as Dustin said- it probably wouldn't even get to a judge (-would almost certainly be settled out of court). As someone in the legal field I can tell you having a party claim you're running a money based scam is no joke. It's not about wasting time or money. It's very much illegal to do and believe it or not can be punishable by heavy fees or time away. It wouldn't cost Thor or Lee anything to press charges should they choose to. Ultimately, doing anything would be up to them, but defamation of character and these claims is not something to take lightly. Not when money is involved. It's way more than a trolling situation, legally. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 22:00 |
Inform QPL of a book they already know about? Yeah I'm sure that'll get you far. And they aren't copyrighted by anyone but Lee. Lee took them. Lee owns them. Freddie never owned them and they are under no legal umbrella of Freddie's estate or QPL. You really screwed the pooch here, run. Hate to be you right now. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 22:05 |
Funny. He threatened to sue Thor and Lee and second ago and now hes claiming them suing him is a giant waste of money and would be stupid. Well it won't cost Thor or Lee a dime to sue you, friend. That's pro-bono for ya. You also wont waste a judges time either. The guy we sued 2 years ago for DC against my dad settled out of court within days and didn't cost us a penny. Not a pretty place to be, where you're standing. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 22:08 |
@squirrelly I agree I think Rami is coming around. The photos that came out before the official stuff was released didn't impress me at all but it's tightening up. The guy that plays Brian is Gwilym Lee. He has the right build for it alright. |
The Squirrelly One 01.10.2018 22:12 |
Ben ain't too bad either! My daughter has a real crush on him....and Roger! She's like me 30 years ago! |
c.jory 01.10.2018 22:24 |
LEE owns the photos and can do what he wants with HIS property. Why should Lee never release his photos because they include a person who has passed away? Yes he was private when he was alive, but he is not and therefore cannot be upset at them being revealed. They're just photos of him having fun with friends, it's nothing controversial. Why should these living men not share their past and photos with us just because Freddie was a part of it? It's their story too and they're fully entitled to do so. Not sure what the problem is. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 22:53 |
The Problem is they are selling their old deceased friend to rhe public. Illoyal and shameful for a quick buck |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:01 |
At least i am not the onky one who finds it shameful to cash in on your dead friend. The GFM auction stopped at 1700 Dollars. Surely they expected more thats why they changed their sound from being humble to openly insult critics. This book will never find a Publisher believe me.....some firms still have dignity left |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 23:01 |
According to your opinion. And thank God your opinion doesn't change or effect anything. The rest of us will be very excited to read the book. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:02 |
Stop The Madness wrote: @squirrelly I agree I think Rami is coming around. The photos that came out before the official stuff was released didn't impress me at all but it's tightening up. The guy that plays Brian is Gwilym Lee. He has the right build for it alright.Wrong thread???? |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:04 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: According to your opinion. And thank God your opinion doesn't change or effect anything. The rest of us will be very excited to read the book.What exactly gets you exited??? |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 23:06 |
Openly insult critics? They they should have thanked you for calling them money hungry shits? You do realize you started this whole thing off insulting them and claiming this thing is a scam right? And now you not only speak for Freddie Mercury (a man you never knew) but you also represent all publishing companies across the world? Impressive, considering you manage to screw up every comment and "fact" you tried to make. You're digging yourself into a deep hole here. I sure hope you have enough money to pay your legal costs. I'm sure it'll all be worth it because you got to be nasty online to a few friends of a legend one time. Neato. |
musicland munich 01.10.2018 23:08 |
Just calm down people :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 23:08 |
Seeing new pics of Freddie and friends enjoying themselves and reading new stories I havent heard yet about a man i admire. That's what we're all excited about. Doesn't it just burn you up inside that nobody agrees with you and you can't stop this train no matter how hard you cry online? You're a barrel of entertainment lol. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:11 |
Right thread, genius. I was responding to TSO who asked about the movie and Rami while you were still bitching about stuff you won't ever be able to change :) |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:14 |
I could sue you as well for threatening me my son. I never said it is a scam but it is wasted money thrown out if the window. Which it is. So i wonder what you wanna sue me for. Funny u will never reach me cause i am using an ip blocker.. but you can send me a pm any time . just because your common advertisement campaign does not work at all you dont have to threaten and insult critics who care a lot more for Freddie than their self proclaimed friends.. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:14 |
Oh he's panicking now! Deep in legal dog shit and still trying his darnedest to keep fighting. I'm watching with great interest. What will he say next? Another NY Daughters slag (number 300 for him now)? Perhaps another insult to everyone who supports them? That one never gets old. Oh! Maybe he'll tell us again how lawsuits don't work. I'm thrilled. Keep it up! I love clowns! |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 23:16 |
Ooooh no hes claiming I threatened him? Where? Where did I "threaten" you, "son"? Oh this is gonna be fun! Now you're claiming you use an IP blocker so nobody can find you? Lmao you didn't use one earlier buddy! |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:17 |
Lol you guys are Entertainment. Are you all Jobless? |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:19 |
Actually you made the statement "your money is gone right from the start" and claimed as a fact that they removed the money when GoFundMe said themselves they havent touched. You, buddy, made the mistake of stepping in legal shit. You made a statement trying to paint them as scam artists. We all saw you do it. You're in it deep now. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:20 |
Oh Dustin look! He avoided your question AND copied your response about being entertaining. This guy is a real sharp one! |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:22 |
Lol. I said the gfm was almost taken down for that reason. It is documented on the auction. In the end it wasnt. I also said that. And.. ? Their insult is documented as well |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 23:22 |
Lmao he stays failing, poor guy. I hope Thor and Lee do press charges. Won't cost anyone a drop of cash but this dude. Hope it was all worth it! |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:25 |
Too bad the auction stopped about 3 months ago at 1759 Dollar so you need someone to make responsible for your failed Campaign. I started Posting my opinion this week Sherlock I will always voice my opinion when it comes to disrespectfulness |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:28 |
"I will always voice my opinion when it comes to disrespectfulness" As you sit there disrespecting people Freddie Mercury (someone you never knew and who didn't know you existed) cared about. Hypocrisy is strong in this one! People are still donating. The last donation was just a few days ago by Hunter. It's not closed. It hasn't failed. And it's not an auction. Try again. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 23:31 |
I've never seen anything like this guy before. He literally makes stuff up out of the blue. Clear out of the blue and thinks nobody will go and check the facts. The campaign is still going. It was never "almost closed", it was misinterpretation of the site rules. And has not "failed". Man it must SUCK to want to ruin something that bad and not be able to. |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:37 |
It stopped 3 months ago and there were hardly any new donations after the Statement that a big Publisher rejected it. Guess there are a LOT more serious topics to Sponsor on gfm than a kiss and tell book sold on the back of a dead Legend. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.10.2018 23:39 |
Hey so what's "kiss and tell" about it, champ? Wheres your proof of that? You're upset over a book that isnt even what they're trying to print. Where did they say they were going to discuss Freddie's cock size or what he liked in bed? I must have missed that part! What page is it on? Hurry up! |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:43 |
Lol people are still donating. Does that just boil your blood, friend? Does it eat you up inside that people support this? As a matter of fact, I think I'll make a donation myself in the next few weeks after I sell my Harley. Hell, I might even close the gap for old thor and lee. And I'll dedicate it to you runner. "This donation is for my pal Runner so just couldn't stop talking about this project!" |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:45 |
You must think it will be up for an award right? Pullitzer maybe? The title alone is tabloid like. When i want ro read and hear about Freddie i wanna learn about his Art not about his intimate private Life. Thats why its called PRIVATE... Considering that it Is VERY likely that he contracted hIs illness during his NYC days makes it even sadder..... |
runner_70 01.10.2018 23:47 |
Stop The Madness wrote: And I'll dedicate it to you runner. "This donation is for my pal Runner so just couldn't stop talking about this project!"Lol i admit that was a good one. Kudos to you |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:50 |
Then why not just simply say "I dont agree with the book because i dont like Freddie's friends talking about their friendhip with him"? Why claim (without reason) that they are stealing money and insult their character? One does not equal the other. It's a massive and ridiculous jump to make. What's so private about a friendship? What's wrong with 2 dudes talking about the fun times they shared with their friend? It's not wrong, plain and simple. They arent talking about private affairs or sex. They're talking about JOKES and adventures they SHARED. That's not illegal or in poor taste. What is, is claiming they're up to scamming people out of money and have ill intentions against a man you dont know and never will. |
Stop The Madness 01.10.2018 23:54 |
So how about this- we agree to disagree and you move on. You are never going to like what they're doing and they're never going to stop doing it. You dont have to like all things freddie related. You've made your point (the way you see it) literally over 50 times here already. Can you agree that there is now no longer a reason for you to continue on instigating and replying to people who simply choose to like something different than yourself? |
The Real Wizard 02.10.2018 01:01 |
Stop The Madness wrote: So how about this- we agree to disagree and you move on.Because forum trolls don't do that. It's not in the job description. |
SmokyQuartz 02.10.2018 01:07 |
This book is already happening...that process has already been set in motion and there's no stopping it now. The book is written, the word is out.....it's only a matter of time. That Thor and Lee have not actively focussed on it's promotion says a lot about their intention, which is first and foremost to honor their friend and share that happy time with us. They could step up this campaign any time but I'm guessing they know that it will naturally promote itself. The public at large have not got wind of this yet.... runner_70 your frequent posting here is keeping the thread alive and bringing more publicity to this book, so you are helping to manifest something you say you don't agree with and are not excited about. Keep up the good work. Thor, you are welcome, it's a project worth supporting. I will check out Robby's pages too. |
Stop The Madness 02.10.2018 01:12 |
TRW what can I say lol I tried. But hey they're right. The more he comments here the more focus it brings to this thread so hey Thor and Lee still come out on top on the end either way. |
runner_70 02.10.2018 05:14 |
Yup coming out on top by selling pix from their dead friend who cannot defend himself anymore. Really classy. Ask yourself one question: would Freddie have published These PRIVATE PIX of his PRIVATE INTIMATE Life commercially? And there you have the answer. Disrespectful illoyal and rude to cash in on your deceased friend. I hope the money they make with this will be donated to Charity. But I havent heard that so far. So it is a quick cash grab. Sad again. A real Queenfan stays away from those shameful products. I will leave it with that now and hope that the Publishers out there have more respect for Freddie then his self proclaimed friends and will reject this Project . Thanks for listening. |
thundergod 02.10.2018 05:56 |
OK....as Freddie used to say "It's time to pull rank.... runner_07 : You are completely wrong about everything. Thanks for your nasty comment on GoFundMe. It was removed immediately and GoFundMe is waiting for you to show your ugly head again. They would just love to ban you completely should you write a second time. They said they do not take lightly your kind of behavior on ANY of their accounts.. You FOOL. I received a message from GFM that since they are "not a bank" they cannot hold on to the money over 30 days or you lose any contact with future donors. It was removed in whole and placed in a separate account I started that has NONE of my money, but all of the GoFundMe donations to the penny - the fee they charge. They have my credit card number and could sue me if the book falls through and I don't immediately return each donor's exact money (which means I must pay the percentage that THEY take for handling the site. I think it is about 10% . If donations reach $2000.00, that means I must be prepared to add $200.00 to pay everyone back in full. Would you STOP saying illoyal - .it is not a word. Disloyal is the correct one! Lastly, and then I'll be glad to forget you, Freddie loved all of our adventures and encouraged Lee to take pictures (in those days- slides). Lee had prepared a slide show set to music. Freddie loved it and requested it three times in New York.('82 and '83) It made Freddie as happy as a lark. As a matter of fact, Freddie asked Lee to please bring it to London for our last visit at the Garden Lodge in June of 1991, five months before his death. Lee and I were the only friends invited at that late stage of his life. So, fool, if you want to see sex pictures with Freddie and deathbed photographs, you WON'T see it in this book. Freddie never had YOU as a friend...But he had us and he loved our friendship, very much. |
runner_70 02.10.2018 06:27 |
I have no doubt that he liked those pix. I STRONGLY doubt he would have liked them to be seen by Joe Public let alone released commercially. He was very protective of his private life and he would surely be disgusted that his so called friends exploit their friendship to make pix meant to be private commercially available. That is the definition of being disloyal. Thanx for teaching me the right word. And calling the book "Dont stop us now" is the icing on the cake. A tabloid Headline of bad taste regarding the high possibility that without the NYC years he might still be alive.... |
Katydyd5 02.10.2018 11:49 |
Thor, I'm sorry you had to jump in on this, but in a way, grateful that you did. Your explanation is clear and shows you to be the gentleman we all know you are. I am happy Freddie had you as friends because he could be himself with you. I am eager to read the book and continue my strong support. |
runner_70 02.10.2018 12:29 |
I did not want to comment here anymore. But to say that noone was invited over to Freddie in his last months is a blatant lie. Diana Mosely came over so did Elton John and his best friend Dave Clark. His sister as well. And especially his bandmates. All those never felt the need to publish unseen Photos of their friend. So stop playing the Saints card. Those NYC times might have been fun but it was the beginning of the end for Freddie sadly....so you better stop acting as if you were Mother Theresa or Freddies only friend. There were far more important pple than the NYC guys in his life i assume |
kokax 02.10.2018 13:14 |
@runner_70 , each to their own ! There's are people in the post- Queen ( without FM & JD) generation who seem to be "creepily obsessed" ( I quote the "lawyer" from some pages ago) with a cartoonish FM and hence they will forgive any privacy concerns as they need to sniff around everywhere to satisfy their fantasies. He's dead, so what ? These over obsessed guys weren't alive and/or not interested during Queen's prime time , so anything is fine to them . Distort stuff, manipulate, insult, shout at people , everything is fine in the quest for more private info on FM. Best of lunatic obsessions are seen below and keep in mind these are the kind of people some of whom you deal with in this thread : "I attended law school and was late to the same class. Every. Day. But ya girl passed, and is now closing in on my first full year as a lawyer. QM Fact #3: Nobody at my firm knows I run a meme page for a band I'm obsessed with, nor do they know I was forever late for classes and I sincerely hope they never fucking find this page. k bye. link " Cracking up because while I was cleaning out the kitty litter, I realized Brian and Roger were there for some filming and what if they all just casually sat around sipping tea while Freddie got it on with a man 20 feet in front of them I'm crying" link [.. this is from a lawyer ??? :):) :)LOL ] " Freddie and Jim: a love story. I'm reading Mercury and Me again and it seriously cracks me up that freddie would get into a mood and snap at Jim and tell him to leave and the second Jim would leave the room freddie would be like: ???????????? "come back zaddy, I love you" Something tells me he really enjoys being ridden. DID I JUST SAY THAT link I fucking fell asleep at 430 in the afternoon when I got home and knocked out until 11 and the dreams I had, my guy? The dreams were SO fucked up, I'm concerned about my subconscious fr fr ?? and yo i checked my phone and I realized I text people in my sleep. The texts dont make any sense. One letter responses or like a ?? and I have zero memory of sending them jesus link Yes, I did take the time to Photoshop the actors into the band and yes I do hate myself and yes, I will get a life soon, I promise. link I know not all of you can make a donation, but for those of you who can, keep in mind that this book is being made to share 50 never before seen photos of Freddie and stories we truly have never heard before and it's being made by people who Freddie loved and trusted. It's worth considering and any donation amount is appreciated. Thor has promised all donations over $50 will receive a SIGNED copy of the book when it is released and if the book does not get printed for whatever reason, all donations will be refunded. So it's a win-win! link --------------------------------------------- -Even the Queen Fan Club's administration came in on Facebook when the "family lawyers"' buddy posted the link to this weird petition ( a petition for a book about the private life of a dead rock star next to human rights , environmental petitions ?????????) and explained among others, that certainly many fans would have privacy concerns. " I know fans want to know the ins and outs of their lives , but there's never a right ...to profess to know how they lived, loved or laughed. How would any of you feel if your whole life was discussed on social media ..by people who never even met you ?" Hey Villiers : do you usually make deals with the photographers' agencies or the photographers' directly when you use their work on your instagram page ? As a lawyer you certainly are aware of copyright infringement, right ? It's quite funny btw how little knowledge you have about privacy concerns as you stated you are a family lawyer. |
Stop The Madness 02.10.2018 13:20 |
You assume (again) that they weren't that important to Freddie (a man you refuse to admit you NEVER KNEW yet still feel the need to SPEAK FOR) but your fool ass hasn't put together that FREDDIE MERCURY wanted them out there in 1991 so badly that he asked them to be there. From America to England. I'm sorry DID HE ASK YOU TO COME VISIT HIM FROM DIPSHIT CITY? no? I'm SHOCKED! You two seemed so close, runner!! You have made a complete dipshit out of yourself over and over on this thread and the absolute beauty of it is that every time you comment back, you push this thread RIGHT back up to the top and give it even MORE attention! Thanks for helping to book out so much, runni. |
Villiers2 02.10.2018 13:29 |
Oh Kokax, I'm flattered that you're so intrested in my life that you spent all that time drooling over my meme page and my previous threads but you seem to have missed one major thing: the meme page is and always has been run by more than one person. All the quotes you seem to think were all me are in fact, multiple people. Still, I'm totally flattered you're that into my page that you'd go back months behind and copy all our descriptions. That's not lame at all. And to answer your burning question about the memes and what, copyright? Lol no, it's not illegal. Sorry to disappoint youn I know you really wanted to hang me for that one. I'm not sure what your problem is with me but don't start. You're not going to get any further responses, cowboy. |
runner_70 02.10.2018 13:54 |
Kokax thanks for the info. I knew sth was wrong with her but i surely did not expect that. Some disgusting pix and Comments on instagram from her. You are spot on with those obsessed Freaks not caring about privacy at all. Very weird and disturbing people it seems |
Stop The Madness 02.10.2018 13:58 |
Photos in me-mes fall under fair use unless they are being used to profit financially or to sell a brand. I don't know her page but unless she's using them to sell shirts or paintings or goods some kind then she's home free. You making a big profit off of those me-mes villers? So anyone who wants to see previously unsee photos of the Merc having a good time is creepily obsessed? Well blow me I'm a straight man in my 30s and I guess I've gone full obsessed with the man. I'll inform my wife. |
runner_70 02.10.2018 14:03 |
Who is the merc? Holy Batman what is wrong with you guys |
runner_70 02.10.2018 14:08 |
Kokax thought the same. Being a Family lawyer and having no problems with any privacy concerns is pretty strange. I wonder what she tells her clients? Maybe publish a book about your ex wife lol. Strange obsessed folks indeed |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 14:08 |
Oh shit the thread is poppin again lol. I wonder if that'll get the guys closer to their goal any faster. To whoever was asking about the movie yesterday apparently in some theaters they are now playing a full 6 minute trailer with supposedly never before seen parts. If it's true then I'd be shocked. I worked at a theater in my teens and unless things have changed they usually play the trailers for a few weeks and then stop playing trailers all together for each film a couple of weeks before the movie comes out. I had a feeling it was too late for a whole new trailer to be playing in the theater but who knows. If they give any more clips away we're not going to have anything new to watch during the movie itself. |
Stop The Madness 02.10.2018 14:09 |
Keep it coming runner! Any attention is good attention when trying to get the word out about the project. Thanks for helping the fight every time you comment. We appreciate you. |
Villiers2 02.10.2018 14:13 |
Stop The Madness, nope. Never made a cent but hey, if painting me out to be negative gets people commenting and gets this thread up and gets it attention again, let em talk! |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 14:15 |
Oh yeah Villiers you're just the worst lol. The absolute woy-st! Ain't she just a right stinker |
Villiers2 02.10.2018 14:20 |
Yes indeed. I, Villiers, must agree that Villiers is just awful. Also, she's tacky. Can't stand tacky people who dare to joke online. Let me just say, I hope Villiers gets her act together because I, Villiers, am so over her. |
Stop The Madness 02.10.2018 14:23 |
Dustin I went to see The Nun at an AMC about two weeks ago and they didn't play any trailer for Bo Rhap. I was under the impression that they play the trailers up until the day before it gets released. I've certainly never seen a 6 minute clip anywhere. |
Stop The Madness 02.10.2018 14:27 |
Oh yeah I agree villers is terrible. The baddest of the bad. The naughtiest of the naughty. How do you sleep at night villers you animal? |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 14:34 |
I haven't worked in a theater since around 05 but typically at least for the company I worked for they were given 1 to 3 different trailers and given dates to play each one and a date to stop playing all of them all together. They usually stopped playing them about 6 weeks before the movie came out. We were either told to pack up and ship the film for the trailers back to the studios or toss them out. Some guys clipped off frames of the film and kept them. I never saw much point in it. Now I think it's all digital. Flash drives instead of actual film. |
The Squirrelly One 02.10.2018 14:42 |
They are releasing new mini clips of it on the movie's official social media pages so if someone really did see a 6 minute trailer with new scenes it might it have just been that? I saw that there was an exhibition for the movie in Spain I think last week. Plenty of photos from the filming and their costumes all up on display. Although I think it was only for the press. |
Villiers2 02.10.2018 14:48 |
That could be it. The exhibit ran for a full weekend, I think. I saw someone mention they cast a 'little Freddie' as a young boy of 9 to 12 so some people think we're getting a flashback or something back to St. Peter's boarding school as well. |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 14:52 |
My friend told me theres going to be a red carpet event in New York too. I know the cast and the band minus John of course is going to the London premiere idk about NY. I'm wondering of John's kids will be attending. One of his kids has a YouTube channel and someone posted his trailer reaction videos a while back. He seemed really excited to see it |
The Squirrelly One 02.10.2018 15:05 |
He's a YouTube personality? |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 15:11 |
I haven't looked at his YouTube very closely but I did see the video of him reviewing one of the trailers. I'm not sure what his YouTube is all about though. He might be an artist or something. |
thundergod 02.10.2018 15:45 |
BTW, Elton John, Dave Clark did not NEED invitations. I said we were the only friends INVITED. It is well documented that Peter Straker and his crowd, as well as others were not allowed in to the Garden Lodge in the last months. Freddie trusted my medical/nursing knowledge and asked me to help him with certain physical procedures that June. It was my pleasure to help make him more comfortable at this time. |
runner_70 02.10.2018 15:53 |
thundergod wrote: BTW, Elton John, Dave Clark did not NEED invitations. I said we were the only friends INVITED. It is well documented that Peter Straker and his crowd, as well as others were not allowed in to the Garden Lodge in the last months. Freddie trusted my medical/nursing knowledge and asked me to help him with certain physical procedures that June. It was my pleasure to help make him more comfortable at this time.You forgot the "I can Walk on water too" Part...... |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 15:54 |
Thor, dont feed them. It's what they're hoping for. The same guy who was asking you questions about Freddie's personal life last year is now calling other people obsessed and is stalking their social media pages. Ironic. The other guy is just after your reaction. Drown them out. Don't give them any attention. They'll be buying the book along with everyone else. Regardless of what they say. |
Katydyd5 02.10.2018 15:55 |
John Deacon's son, Cam, does have a YouTube channel and has reviewed the trailers. He's cute because he gets so excited! |
The Squirrelly One 02.10.2018 15:58 |
Thor you're better than they are. Brush it off. As you said the real fans know the truth. Nobody is stressing over these guys. @Dustin I watched the review by John's son. He seems charming! He looked thrilled to see his dad on screen. I wonder if the kids of the band members watch old clips of the live shows and think the same as we do: damn that's cool lol |
The Squirrelly One 02.10.2018 16:00 |
Katydyd5 yes I just saw the clip of him reviewing it. He's got John's lovely smile. He seems young, too. I didn't realize how many kids John had until recently. I believe his last one was born sometime in the mid 90's. |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 16:05 |
5 or 6 kids, I think. John was *ahem* busy over the years lol. |
runner_70 02.10.2018 16:30 |
Oh those Queen Experts again. Why dont you contribute in other threads and share yiur wisdom. I guess the only Queen record you own is Greatest Hits |
Stop The Madness 02.10.2018 16:49 |
Ah! Some people have gotten to view a 30 minute screening of the film last month supposedly. I have to assume that's a sort of giant trailer then. All positive reviews from what I've seen. I hear the London premiere is sold out. Something about a Wembley show? Are they wheeling out a giant IMAX screen to put in the area or what? |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.10.2018 17:03 |
Yeah screenings are usually rough cuts of scenes that they piece together to give people an idea of what the feel of the movie is. They usually still have time to edit or remove scenes if the screening review points to it. As for Wembley, I don't know. I did hear about the premier having something to do with Wembley but I have no idea how that would work screen wise. I can guess that it's like any other giant arena used for concerts and sports events. Thise places can change pretty drastically if needed for whatever. Unless it's not in wembley itself but something adjacent to it. I didn't listen that closely when it was mentioned on the radio. This isn't the same building that was there during Live Aid, right? |
c.jory 02.10.2018 17:16 |
There's Wembley Stadium (where Live Aid was) and yes, not the original. But next door is Wembley Arena where they'll presumably use the same big screen they use for concerts. |
The Squirrelly One 02.10.2018 17:39 |
It seems to be promoted all over the place. I'm sure they will have a good turn out. I've got an older neighbor of about 70 who said she is going to see it and she isn't even a huge fan of classic rock. Her husband was a jazz musician (not big time but hobbyist) and it's about all she plays when I visit. Even she's intrested! |
Delilah546 02.10.2018 20:52 |
It's interesting how these sites are full of fake accounts, trolls and fanatics. I agree with you kokax and Runner70, It's a very strange page for a lawyer...she is a lawyer and doesn't know about copyrights - yes, sure and I'm Queen Elizabeth II LOL. I read a lot of comments written by the "lawyer" and her friends and I think that they want to get the attention and the women are very jealous about Freddie. And I agree with you again kokax - they manipulate a lot of things. It's very sad...we should listen to the words of Thor & Lee (they knew Freddie) and not to read fantasies...It isn't Harry Potter's site ahahah |
The Squirrelly One 02.10.2018 21:08 |
Thor check your pm when you get the chance please |
Villiers2 02.10.2018 21:53 |
Good luck, Thor! You've always got my support, and I'm sure everyone elses here who matter. I've got Lee's contact info but I'll pm you my email to discuss further promotion if you guys want to down the road or would like the contact info of my friend who is open to pro bono cases. It's pretty obvious that continuing to view or respond to anything on this thread will lead to nothing so I'm off for good. Have at it, fellas <3 |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 03:02 |
aaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddd the guys keep carrying on with the book. I think it'll be my personal favorite just because it was such troll bait to those 2. Keep on keeping on, Thor! |
runner_70 03.10.2018 07:21 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: aaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddd the guys keep carrying on with the book. I think it'll be my personal favorite just because it was such troll bait to those 2. Keep on keeping on, Thor!Keep on advertising yup. And maybe learn what Queen is all about. So far you have no clue. Maybe you should start to buy something else like Greatest Hits or a book wih indiscreet kiss and tell |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 14:19 |
And EVEN STILL the book will still be made! Every time he comments I look forward to it even more lol |
runner_70 03.10.2018 14:42 |
It won't - mark my words ;) |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 15:23 |
It's getting more and more exciting by the minute! I think I'll order multiple copies. One for the house one for the shop and one for my brother. Its gonna be a great read! |
LOTV 03.10.2018 16:05 |
Seems to me that anyone who challenges the status quo of ass kissing, for whatever reason, gets shouted down. It was very clear that Thor came on here to do some market research and when he achieved what he needed he buggered off. Remember who it was who talked about the siZe of Freddie's dick on Freddie's Loves ( conned my arse). If the pictures are theirs then they can what they want with them, but what's the motivation? It's a form of exploitation, unless of course the money would go to the Terrance Higgins Trust. If it does, fair play otherwise open your eyes people. If there's evidence of the band endorsing this potential project please share. And Christ knows the boys like a few quid. |
runner_70 03.10.2018 17:00 |
LOTV wrote: Seems to me that anyone who challenges the status quo of ass kissing, for whatever reason, gets shouted down. It was very clear that Thor came on here to do some market research and when he achieved what he needed he buggered off. Remember who it was who talked about the siZe of Freddie's dick on Freddie's Loves ( conned my arse). If the pictures are theirs then they can what they want with them, but what's the motivation? It's a form of exploitation, unless of course the money would go to the Terrance Higgins Trust. If it does, fair play otherwise open your eyes people. If there's evidence of the band endorsing this potential project please share. And Christ knows the boys like a few quid.LOTV you are spot on. I wonder who paid the cost for the flights when they visited him. It is no secret Freddie had a lot of so-called "friends" that exploitet him. YOu hit the nail on the head with the "market research". Kudos to you. "Freddie's Loves" was a disgusting film. Watched it once on youtube. Did not know that he was the guy with this comment...... Says it all.... |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 17:03 |
Yep it's all a giant scam. A huge rip off. Freddie had no real friends at all and every photo of him that anyone aside from Mary has should never be seen or released. Damn. What a shame. Too bad nothing we say here is going to change a thing. Too bad we cant just wave a magic wand and make it all disappear. Dang it. Dand it. Dang it. Dang it. DANG IT. |
runner_70 03.10.2018 17:23 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Yep it's all a giant scam. A huge rip off. Freddie had no real friends at all and every photo of him that anyone aside from Mary has should never be seen or released. Damn. What a shame. Too bad nothing we say here is going to change a thing. Too bad we cant just wave a magic wand and make it all disappear. Dang it. Dand it. Dang it. Dang it. DANG IT.You clearly have issues. YOu should seek help. Seriously.... |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 17:27 |
Because I agree with your thoughts i need help? Well...i guess you're right. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 17:27 |
DANG IT. |
runner_70 03.10.2018 17:44 |
Your attempts at being witty and funny are embarrassing. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 18:08 |
WELL, DANG IT! |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 18:09 |
DANG IT. DANG IT. |
runner_70 03.10.2018 18:23 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: DANG IT. DANG IT.You are just sad. How old are you? 5? |
runner_70 03.10.2018 18:26 |
LOTV wrote: Remember who it was who talked about the siZe of Freddie's dick on Freddie's Loves ( conned my arse).Not only the size of his dick but that he did not get it up the first night they met. What a f****n low life loser. And this guy is calling himself Freddie's friend? Really sad |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 18:32 |
4 actually...oh DANG IT! |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 18:33 |
Yeah really sad, dang it all. |
SmokyQuartz 03.10.2018 21:31 |
The reason for people being challenged when they are rude is just that, they are rude. Anything can be challenged respectfully, but no one here who's challenged stuff has done it respectfully. They've just attacked other people. If anyone had questions about Thor or Lee's motives it could have been respectfully asked, instead of the rubbish that has been posted which has led to him pretty much staying away. He didn't leave. I remember he was chatting on here once on some pretty informal stuff, and about what he'd been watching on tv. He was happy to be friendly, but there are always trolls to come along and try to spoil it. They are not skilled or sophisticated enough to ask a challenging question in a respectful way and allow Thor to answer, they just get a kick out of trying to tear people down. It makes them feel better about themselves. |
SmokyQuartz 03.10.2018 21:54 |
Trying to feel better about themselves is SO important to them that they continue commenting on a forum that is ultimately going to promote the book that they claim to disagree with. But that's not the primary motivation is it? It's not all altruism and morals. All I see are one or two people who just want to argue and try to tear people down because they get off on it. |
Saint Jiub 03.10.2018 22:31 |
... and they get off on the UNWARRANTED attention from the the sorry last 8 pages of this topic (including a pointless threatened lawsuit). |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 23:46 |
Yeah they totally should've just been ignored when they illegally claimed old dude was scamming cash. Why bother pressing charges when you could just ignore them and let them tear apart someone's reputation and let them tell everyone their money was stolen. Makes seeeeeense. Too bad I didn't see that sooner....DANG IIIIT. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.10.2018 23:48 |
They're going to make the book or they won't. Whatever happens happens. Who. Cares. ? In the meantime I think I'll just hang back and enjoy the breeze. Dang-gone it. |
runner_70 04.10.2018 04:13 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: They're going to make the book or they won't. Whatever happens happens. Who. Cares. ? In the meantime I think I'll just hang back and enjoy the breeze. Dang-gone it.Obviously you care dang-it-boy |
Saint Jiub 04.10.2018 06:34 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Yeah they totally should've just been ignored when they illegally claimed old dude was scamming cash. Why bother pressing charges when you could just ignore them and let them tear apart someone's reputation and let them tell everyone their money was stolen. Makes seeeeeense. Too bad I didn't see that sooner....DANG IIIIT.runner has a negative reputation and zero credibility. Who would take runner seriously? runner is incapable of destroying anyone's reputation. |
Saint Jiub 04.10.2018 06:36 |
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runner_70 04.10.2018 09:36 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Which reputation do you have loser? Never read any Postings with Substance from you so stfu.Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Yeah they totally should've just been ignored when they illegally claimed old dude was scamming cash. Why bother pressing charges when you could just ignore them and let them tear apart someone's reputation and let them tell everyone their money was stolen. Makes seeeeeense. Too bad I didn't see that sooner....DANG IIIIT.runner has a negative reputation and zero credibility. Who would take runner seriously? runner is incapable of destroying anyone's reputation. |
Dustin Zimmerman 04.10.2018 12:41 |
OH DANG IT! DANG. IT. |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:35 |
Hi I just discovered this wonderful thread yesterday. I'm so grateful to Thor and Lee for sharing their wonderful memories of this magnificent man. I'm so enjoying it (ignoring the ignorant, rude idiotic "troll" element!) Thank you both. I went to GoFundMe and donated to the book fund. I really hope it happens! ? How is it coming along ? Where will we be able to buy it? Amazon ? Kindest Regards and thanks to you. You were clearly great buddies of Freddie.?? |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:37 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:37 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:37 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:37 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:37 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:37 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:38 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:38 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:38 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:38 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:38 |
Don't know where those final question marks came from! Your friendship was certainly not in question !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 09:42 |
Oh dear! I do seem to be repeating myself! Sorry I'm a novice at this! ?? |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 11:14 |
Checking to see if my new avatar is displaying.?? |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 11:33 |
Avatar ? |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 12:25 |
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FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 12:29 |
it seems I'm not to be allowed an Avatar. :O( I uploaded one but it won't display for me. BTW did you all see last weeks Sun (news?)paper with the Mary Austin article ? Hey Thor or Lee! :O) Did Freddie have more of a sweet or a savoury tooth ? Thanks |
FreddieDarling 05.10.2018 22:59 |
Can anyone link me to the previous thread Thor did on Queenzone, please ? I'd love to read it.?? Thanks |
Saint Jiub 06.10.2018 02:47 |
google thor queenzone ... top of the list ... link |
MisterCosmicc 06.10.2018 07:44 |
Saint Jiub, I never understood why you side with the Republicans. |
FreddieDarling 06.10.2018 21:17 |
Thank you very much! I appreciate your response! ?? |
thundergod 11.10.2018 00:53 |
Hello to all the good and positive folks on QZ. We got our first, fully positive response from one of our desired sources to whom we offered our query, summary and proposal for the book last August. More work is required, of course, for any final approval. I will keep you informed as the process progresses. |
FreddieDarling 11.10.2018 07:42 |
Hi Thor and Lee, I am very excited at the prospect of this book! How lovely to see photos and read anecdotes about the fun times our Freddie spent with his good pals! Thank you both! I'm also looking forward to the biography that will HOPEFULLY materialize about Peter "Phoebe's Freestone! Two books I will definitely buy! Reading back over the old thread! Couldn't believe the underarm hair question! Dear me! Nothing wrong with a bit of hair! Freddie always seemed supremely clean and hygienic to me! To be it seems odd for men to shave anything other than their face. All this man-scaping nowadays! I don't know! Anyway, it seemed a rather crass question and not worthy of your time! Loving this threads thanks to you both for your insights! Hope to donate again soon! ? Kindest Regards Nicola |
Catus 11.10.2018 07:45 |
Hi Thor, Wow, these are exciting news! Can't wait to see your book! Please let us know if we could be of any other help. |
FreddieDarling 11.10.2018 08:06 |
BTW where will we be able to buy your book? Direct from you? Or another selling platform like Amazon ? I don't know what print run you are intending to have, but it I definitely want to make sure I get a copy!? Thanks |
FreddieDarling 11.10.2018 08:18 |
Does anybody know why Queenzone won't let me have an Avatar ? I uploaded it and it said uploaded and showed a little thumbnail piccy of it! Yet all that shows is the generic one! ???? Mystery to me! ?? |
Katydyd5 11.10.2018 13:04 |
Thor, I'm so pleased to see your positive post about the book. The film and publicity for it is going to generate a huge surge of interest for Freddie and Queen and it will be lovely to have new material like your book. I have so many friends who are planning to see the film just based on the trailers, not because they were huge Queen fans before. Sales of everything Freddie are going to explode. You know we are all eager to hear any news that you have my friend. |
thundergod 11.10.2018 20:56 |
Hello again most of all of you, Lee and I have plans for a Facebook page where trolls can't bother us anymore. This was an idea passed on to me by a very supportive QZ fan of Queen and Freddie. Another supportive QZ fan has volunteered to build and coordinate this Facebook site for Lee and myself. We are not yet sure when it will be up and running yet. Right now, we both have a lot of polishing-up to do of our entire manuscript to present to our source.They are pretty strict in what they require. Until we have a signed contract to publish our book, the GoFundMe goal of $2000.00 will remain the same. With the impact of "Bohemian Rhapsody", there may be increased interest in donating - and we want to stay positive - but should anything go wrong (God forbid), we want to stay within our means required to refund donors in full and pay-back the 10% already removed by GoFundMe for the use of their site. As always, thank you mostly all, for your continued support and well wishes about this project. It was started by your kind and thoughtful responses when I entered QZ in the early summer of 2017 by accident, to answer a wrongly informed QZ thread which claimed that I was Freddie's lover and not just a good friend after I googled my name. MattZ was the first to offer a response and wanted to know more. He wanted proof that I was who I claimed to be, which I provided. That started the ball rolling and soon the first thread became very popular and eventually led to the creation of the book with it's sole purpose to show Freddie as more than a Superstar and Rock Legend, but a caring, thoughtful, sincere, generous and fun-loving very close friend that he was to Lee, sadly departed John, Joe S.and myself. He really still is. He shines a brightly burning light on our thoughts, gratitude, and tributes from Lee, me and ALL of his loyal, loving fans and connoisseurs of musical genius and showmanship! Freddie has created his own immortality by remaining well-placed in the hearts of all fans, well-wishers and close friends. With grateful thanks and love to all, Thor and Lee |
thundergod 11.10.2018 20:59 |
Does anyone who keeps in touch with our Noorie have any information about her? Please PM me if you do.. |
Katydyd5 11.10.2018 23:31 |
Thor, check your email.... I think a private FB page is an excellent idea. The only issue is that several of the very supportive people here are not on FB. I am and would love to participate. I'm part of two other private pages (political) and it's wonderful to be able to talk and share without trolls. If and when this page is up and running, perhaps those who aren't on FB will reconsider, if only for your page. |
Rainbow61 11.10.2018 23:56 |
Hi Thor, This is such a positive development...nice momentum building for this highly anticipated book. We are rooting for you guys! Touching words about how "Freddie has created his own immortality by remaining in the hearts of all fans..." You really captured the feeling of those of us who who have been captivated and awed by this amazing man. Thank you! |
thundergod 12.10.2018 20:12 |
On the advice of a very special QZ friend, Lee and I have decided to keep the QZ site open and also go ahead with the more selective FB site. It makes sense to continue to communicate with those Freddie fans who like to read our thread but prefer not to make comments...and who can blame them, considering the last 9 pages prior to this current page. But our main goal of presenting very special moments with our dear friend is more important, and we will just deal with any troll invasions by keeping cool, calm and ignoring them right from the start if needed. I was guilty of engaging him and I am sorry I did. I understand Dustin's passion to protect his opinions and punch back, but the best trollicide proven time and time again is to ignore them. It seems they will tend to go away without the attention. Dustin, I love ya dude, but the back and forth with the last major troll wasted 8 pages and I have a feeling that the majority does not like to see that. Even that old nasty troll, kokax weighed in after a long absence hoping to stir the pot once again. Peace to all. Let's make this the positive, fun thread this and the previous thread used to be. By the way, I always consult Lee about what's happening here but with his full time job, it is easier for me, the retiree, to handle most of it. He's way involved, don't worry. |
Katydyd5 13.10.2018 00:59 |
I'm happy you are going to go with the FB site and continue to communicate here on QZ. I read this thread for quite a while before I actually jumped in and started posting. I suspect there are many who are like I was and prefer to read without posting. I always hope they will become comfortable enough to join in, and I think that's more likely if we can keep it positive. |
Rainbow61 13.10.2018 10:33 |
Hi Thor and Lee, Thank you for deciding to keep this QZ thread running! I suspect I am part of a rather small number of people who actually does not have a Facebook page, so I am grateful for your continued participation here! Now that you are done the book, can you share anything about the writing process? For instance, were you most inspired to do your writing in the morning, afternoon, evening, or at night? Did your writing time vary depending on the photo you were describing or did you try to work for a consistent number of hours each day? Having Freddie as your "muse" must have been truly inspiring. Best of luck to you both during this next important phase of the process! |
SmokyQuartz 13.10.2018 16:30 |
Lovely words Thor! Rainbow, great idea to ask about the process of creating the book, I too am interested in that! What an inspiring project is! I do hope others who have been reading but don't usually post on a forum will come and join in. I'll be back later and catch up properly on this thread. :-) |
SmokyQuartz 13.10.2018 16:31 |
What an inspiring project THIS is, it should say, lol. I can't see how to edit. :-) |
thundergod 13.10.2018 17:57 |
Well, I'll keep the development of the book simple. We started by organizing Lee's carefully preserved slides and snapshots into categories. As this book is about Freddie and our friendship, we relegated pics without Freddie in them to a category we have named, "The Cast of Characters" at the end of the book. Based on themes/adventures/get-togethers, etc., we divided the pictures into about 15 or so categories. These categories allowed me to come up with a table of contents of our chapters (which we are calling Vignettes to capture a sense of musicality). Then we shared writing these vignettes according to which subject we thought we could recall the best. With enough of these vignettes written, I created a query letter which I later found out must be re-written and tailored to fit each potential publisher's specifications. I was amazed at the differences in what they wanted. Some wanted very short descriptions and examples of writing and pictures while others wanted more writing, larger chapters and more pictures. They all wanted biographies of the author's, a current list of already published books that we might compete with our book, and a marketing strategy. Additionally, they all required writing and book writing experience information. It is exhausting work but with Freddie in our hearts, we did it. Our most positive (and coincidently, most desired) source now wants ALL of the chapters, a more formal and complete proposal, a formal table of contents, etc., etc. This is what I am spending hours on currently. This is a labor of love and dedication to the kindness, sincerity and fun-loving character of the real Freddie Mercury outside or along-side of his Superstardom. |
FreddieDarling 13.10.2018 18:17 |
Hi Folks, Thank Goodness! I thought the thread was winding up but It's not.??I always seem to climb aboard boats just as they are about to dock! The thread has been great, just wish the Trolls would return under their bridges and stay there (reference 3 Billy goats gruff!) I definitely think the best course of action is to ignore their posts entirely. They get bored very easily when not stimulated and move on! And good riddance! Fortunately there are far, far more genuine, intelligent, respectful Freddie fans out there than this other sort! I cannot wait for your book and as I say, will be contributing again (as soon at it's been pay day again!) I hope Villiers2 can be tempted back when the daft element have shuffled back under their rock! Noorie, to! Liked her!?? I'll keep checking in and hope more news and views are posted. Hope I can learn if and when you do get a Facebook page and hope I can use it too. I'm a bit flummoxed by Face Book.?? Thanks again Thor and Lee, and to all the GOOD people on QZ! You've brought a bit of brightness and interest into my life.?? |
FreddieDarling 13.10.2018 18:19 |
Just figured out why I get a lot of "?" ! QZ doesn't like emojis! |
thundergod 13.10.2018 18:20 |
By the way, Lee reminded me just yesterday that Freddie had told him more than once, "Kathleen, make these photos WORK for you!" This was said for one last time when he escorted Lee around his beloved garden in June of 1991. So it seems clear that Lee had/has his permission. Lee hated and was so let down by recently reading the eight page trollathon. Now, however, he agrees with our renewed "ignore" policy when dealing with trolls on both QZ and FB. As my beloved mother used to always say, despite of her worsening Parkinson's Disease over 10 years, "Better Days are Coming." |
Rainbow61 13.10.2018 18:24 |
Thank you Thor for the great description. I don't know any authors, so this background info on the writing process was quite fascinating. I was exhausted just reading about it! LOL. I like they way you are setting up the book, the use of vignettes. I didn't think I could be any more excited about this project than I already was, but WOW...this will be amazing. What a beautiful and lasting tribute this will be to your beloved friend! |
FreddieDarling 13.10.2018 19:11 |
Re formatting the book! Tell the publishers WE want loads of photos AND loads of stories (text) In other words! We want it all and we want it NOW! ?? |
FreddieDarling 13.10.2018 19:12 |
"??" Did it again ! Aarrgghh ! |
thundergod 13.10.2018 19:52 |
No worries FreddieD, Your enthusiasm is welcome and appreciated! |
Katydyd5 13.10.2018 22:05 |
Thor, I'm so glad you posted what Lee said about Freddie and the pictures. I remembered that statement from somewhere in the thread, but never could find it again. It sounds exactly like the Freddie I imagine! Lee, I understand how you might be discouraged by what's gone on here, but please hang in there. So many people support you, you have to know we are behind you to the end. Freddie loved you guys and we do too. |
Katydyd5 13.10.2018 22:15 |
Thanks Rainbow for asking about the writing process. I knew very little, so I'm being educated as this project goes along. I think it's probably a very good thing you are retired!! Did you ever reach a point where you wanted to forget the whole thing? There was a time when I wanted to write a childrens' book and I even had an artist friend who wanted to illustrate the book. But then an author came to my school, explained the publishing process to the children and I knew I didn't have the patience. I'm so glad you do. |
thundergod 13.10.2018 22:33 |
Give up the project?...no Wish that the publishing pursuit would progress more quickly?...yes Discouraged when only the vanity presses hounded me and the serious presses did not. Those that even bothered to reply however, still needed to be handled with kid gloves?...yes Lose our drive?...no Lose our eternal love and affection for Freddie?...NEVER |
thundergod 13.10.2018 22:38 |
Oops, I meant "those that DID NOT even bother to reply" Sorry about that. |
Katydyd5 13.10.2018 23:07 |
Oh, I NEVER doubted your love for Freddie. But this writing process has been so huge. I'm glad you are not ever discouraged. I can tell you that there were times when I thought we might lose you to the rough times. I couldn't be happier that I was wrong. |
thundergod 14.10.2018 00:06 |
Thank you Katydyd5 |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 17.10.2018 01:23 |
Hey Ladies and Gentlemen. I’ve been kinda busy. What have I missed! |
Catus 17.10.2018 03:16 |
I am so happy to see this thread up and running, and to see you both here! Fingers crossed that you find your publisher! (I've been listening to Made in Heaven album a lot, always remembering your story, Thor, about I Was Born To Love You, and how you heard it for the first time. Love this song very much) |
The Squirrelly One 17.10.2018 03:17 |
Hey Lee! It's good to see you boys back online.You didn't miss much but a bunch of tired slandering attempts by 2 guys out to tear the book down and your reputations. Unfortunately we seemed to have lost our friend villers due to the drama kicked up by trolls. They zeroed in on her for standing up for you guys. Maybe Dustin as well? That or he stopped commenting but still reads. I hear you guys are very close to completing the book! This must be exhausting for you two. I didn't realize how much work it takes to get a book published. Gives you a new found respect for authors doesn't it! |
thundergod 17.10.2018 03:38 |
You said it Squirelly, But the book is finished and I sent it out today. The lady said she was "intrigued" by the samples I sent her.Now she has the full manuscript and formal proposal, both perfected over the last week. Our fingers are crossed. |
The Squirrelly One 17.10.2018 03:50 |
We know it will be picked up sooner or later. If this publisher is smart she'll lock you guys in! Just be sure to remember your number one fans when you get on the best sellers list! Best of luck boys |
thundergod 17.10.2018 03:56 |
No one will be forgotten, least of all YOU my friend! |
Dustin Zimmerman 17.10.2018 05:24 |
I'm still here. Villiers will come around i'm sure. Thor will you and Lee go see the movie when it comes out in a few days? I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. |
thundergod 17.10.2018 05:39 |
Yay...Dustin is back. I thought you quit the thread. Welcome my friend. |
thundergod 17.10.2018 05:40 |
Yes, we are going to the preview in Palm Springs on Nov. 1st. |
Katydyd5 17.10.2018 23:05 |
Good to see Lee make an appearance!! I'll be anxious to hear what this publisher thinks now that you have sent the book out. I'll also be eager to hear your opinion of the film. I'm afraid I'm not going to get to go until it's been out for a few days. I won't mind spoilers though so I hope you'll all comment! |
thundergod 18.10.2018 00:20 |
Oh, don't worry, I will tell you guys everything without giving away anything that is surprising. I certainly won't be able to critique the portrayal of Freddie prior to 1980, but I will be able to see if post-1980 up until 1991 is truthfully accounted for. It will be interesting to say the least! I suspect there will be a lot of Mary in the movie and rightfully so. When Freddie was in London, Mary either lived next to him or actually with him. He valued and trusted her completely. What will be interesting is if they portray Mary as a very special friend (who knew Freddie was gay) or if they try to stir up straight or bisexual longings of Freddie which some fans still believe, even post their break-up.as a couple. Hey, I had girlfriends from 7th until 11th grade, but I knew who I really was behind this "attempt" at covering-up.for convenience of going to school hassle-free. |
Katydyd5 18.10.2018 01:37 |
I don't want to stir any pots here, but how many have heard Peter Freestone speak on about the movie? He makes such an important distinction and I wish everyone could hear and understand what he is saying. There will be inconsistencies, questionable timelines, etc, but he says it is so important to remember that this is a film meant for entertainment, it is not a documentary. I'm delighted that so many new people will be introduced to Freddie and Queen. They won't notice problems that die hard fans will see, but they will enjoy the movie and I'm happy for anything that keeps Freddie's legacy alive. I hope desperately that people will just enjoy this film and avoid nitpicking it to pieces. I think I was moved to write this post because I've just come from FB where people are arguing bitterly over timeline. Going back to my quiet corner now...…………. |
Saint Jiub 18.10.2018 03:42 |
My biggest hope for the movie is that neither John and Roger are portrayed as bit players, while Brian is portrayed as the other genius of Queen. |
runner_70 19.10.2018 19:30 |
thundergod wrote: By the way, Lee reminded me just yesterday that Freddie had told him more than once, "Kathleen, make these photos WORK for you!" This was said for one last time when he escorted Lee around his beloved garden in June of 1991. So it seems clear that Lee had/has his permission. Lee hated and was so let down by recently reading the eight page trollathon. Now, however, he agrees with our renewed "ignore" policy when dealing with trolls on both QZ and FB. As my beloved mother used to always say, despite of her worsening Parkinson's Disease over 10 years, "Better Days are Coming."Yeah right and Freddie had nothing better to do in June 1991 than telling you to publish a book with private pictures. How dumb do you chaps think we are??? And for "Not being Freddie's lover" you had a lot of indiscreet things about him to say in "Freddie's Loves" right? Remember that "he could not get it up" statement ? Give it up man.......it is getting far beyond embarrasing.... Same stupid statements like "Paul Rodgers was Freddie's fave singer" and "Freddie would have Loved Lambert": Pathetic. And why are all critics "trolls"? Because they refuse asskissing someone making money with private stuff from a so-called "dear friend"??? |
runner_70 19.10.2018 19:31 |
Saint Jiub wrote: My biggest hope for the movie is that neither John and Roger are portrayed as bit players, while Brian is portrayed as the other genius of Queen.YOu will get exactly that |
Rainbow61 19.10.2018 20:56 |
Hi Thor and Lee, You mentioned last year that you had Queen merchandise that Freddie had given you back in the early 80's. I am assuming you meant tour t-shirts. Did you keep any of those shirts? If so, are you wearing one to movie premiere or is that too "uncool" to do? I have a few Queen and Freddie shirts...and I am definitely NOT very cool...so I will proudly wear one when I see the film. :) |
Rainbow61 19.10.2018 21:01 |
Oops....left out a word....."to the movie premiere." |
thundergod 19.10.2018 21:39 |
Well sure I'll wear one of the teeshirts that Freddie gave me in the early eighties...it might still fit... ON ONE ARM!....LOL |
The Squirrelly One 19.10.2018 21:58 |
Oh Thor hush! You look great. You can probably still slide it on no problem. Your name is unique enough it would be interesting to see if they tossed a background character in there named Thor. Maybe at the party scene? |
Rainbow61 19.10.2018 22:27 |
Thor, So funny...that was my chuckle for the night! :) |
Katydyd5 20.10.2018 04:27 |
Snort, Thor, that was funny. Does anyone know if tickets for the movie are available for pre-sale in the US? I thought I saw a site where I could order some, but I wasn't able to find the link to do it. I know I can't go the weekend it opens because I have other stuff going on, but I want to see it as soon as I can and I think it is going to be hard to get tickets. Maybe we can go in the middle of the afternoon. Surely tickets would be available then. |
thundergod 20.10.2018 04:38 |
Katydyd5, Try googling FANDANGO. All you do is put in your zip code and they tell you the nearest theaters and the times it is playing. You buy your ticket right online. Lee and I are going to see the premiere in Palm Springs, on Nov. 1st. This won't be anywhere near festivities of the premiere in Los Angeles, but I am happy to see it with the two living other people who knew Freddie - Lee and my x, Brandon. It should be fun with all three of us there. |
thundergod 20.10.2018 04:43 |
Oops....it should read, "This won't be anywhere near THE festivities going on in Los Angeles OR NEW YORK,". |
Katydyd5 20.10.2018 04:48 |
Did you buy your tickets already Thor? I"m smack in the middle of the Mid-West, so no festivities here. But there is a lot of talk among my friends and my kids' friends, so I expect it to be very popular. Maybe I will try Fandango because I'm not going to be able to wait long. |
thundergod 20.10.2018 05:01 |
I did buy my tickets yesterday and they were not sold out yet, and believe me, if there is a city where there will be an immense interest in this film, it is definitely the residents of Palm Springs, California. |
thundergod 20.10.2018 05:03 |
sorry, again... a correction is needed. "definitely BY he residents of Palm Springs, California" |
thundergod 20.10.2018 05:04 |
Ay yay yay.. "By THE" |
Rainbow61 20.10.2018 05:18 |
No festivities where I live either! Very small city....only 2 theaters in town. One is Regal Cinemas...I looked at the site and it looks quite simple to order tickets ahead of time. Have never done that before. I am trying to decide if I want to see the movie during an off time...in the middle of the day when there will be fewer people in the audience and fewer distractions, or if it would be better to watch during a busy time to feel the energy of the crowd. |
thundergod 20.10.2018 05:24 |
I think feeling the energy of the crowd is worth it, but just make sure you don't wind up in the first row...total neck pain! |
The Squirrelly One 30.10.2018 15:24 |
Saw the movie last night and I must say I was not really impressed. I won't give any spoilers but to me it read like all things gay depressed him and he had no fun or enjoyment out of it unless he was high on drugs. He seemed a bit miserable in my opinion. I never got the notion that Freddie was a depressed and miserable being run by nothing but drugs and booze...I certainly didn't get the feeling that the real Freddie hated the gay lifestyle. For someone who hated it so much he sure did dove into it pretty hard.. Maybe that was just what I took away from it. Maybe others saw it and didn't get that feeling. |
c.jory 30.10.2018 19:22 |
I had the same impression, no gay positivity, other gay men felt like they were just background objects to represent the mindless debauchery. He might have felt like depressed in Munich, but the whole band did, while there. It felt homo-shaming. |
Katydyd5 30.10.2018 23:17 |
I'm sorry to read those two reviews. I will see it on Monday the 5th and I"m very excited. The reviews on all of the Freddie pages I follow on FB are overwhelmingly positive. |
FreddieDarling 01.11.2018 16:07 |
Hi Thor, I just made another donation via GoFundMe. ?? Hope the book is coming along well. I saw the film last Saturday. Entertaining , but I was a bit miffed at how Freddie was portrayed in certain aspects. Especially being a total sh*t to the rest of the band and them virtually breaking up in 1975 when in fact they'd been touring, and then him acting hostile (albeit only initially) toward the news of Mary's pregnancy (which in real life happened 3-4 years later!) When, in fact, from allI"be heard from Phoebe Freestone, he was nothing but delighted and supportive of Mary's relationships and her pregnancies. It's not a particularly nice way to paint the may they are meant to be memorialising! Just MHO ! Kind Regards to you and Lee, Thor, and to all the GOOD Queenzoners ! ? |
FreddieDarling 01.11.2018 16:11 |
Typos : allI'be = all I've may they are= man they are! Flipping predictive text! |
FreddieDarling 01.11.2018 16:11 |
Typos : allI'be = all I've may they are= man they are! Flipping predictive text! |
MisterCosmicc 01.11.2018 23:25 |
Have some respect, a little hard work will do it |
hotel_houman 04.11.2018 22:45 |
hi ! is the fb site on now? |
Saint Jiub 05.11.2018 02:23 |
link |
thundergod 05.11.2018 03:23 |
Just wrote a very long personal review of my two viewings of "Bohemian Rhapsody". Before I could save or send it, it was consumed by QZ purgatory. I will attempt to recreate it tomorrow, I am exhausted from the past week. |
MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 04:20 |
Thor, did you ever listen to 'Let Me In Your Heart Again'? What did you think of that? |
Saint Jiub 05.11.2018 05:24 |
Thor - I am sure your review will be better than this review from a distinguished journalist and university professor: "He falls in love with a young woman and marries her. He is then attracted to men, lots of them. It breaks up the marriage. He can’t let his wife go, though, and has her move into a mansion next door to his mansion. One of his male lovers moves in with him and ruins his career by keeping him way from his friends and getting him to leave the band." "The movie is a primer in music history of the ‘70s and ‘80s. You learn a great deal about how the music business worked then. I loved the story of the secret deal in which an American music company stole Freddie away from the band." link "Bruce Chadwick lectures on history and film at Rutgers University in New Jersey. He also teaches writing at New Jersey City University. He holds his PhD from Rutgers and was a former editor for the New York Daily News." |
oligneisti 05.11.2018 09:02 |
I'd be interested in your opinion since I really missed all of Freddie's friends from the gay scene. Of course he had a lot of hangers on like any rock star but there were also some great personalities and loyal people around. |
Katydyd5 05.11.2018 12:58 |
Looking forward to your thoughts Thor. I'm finally going today and am so excited. |
matt z 05.11.2018 17:31 |
Yeowch.. yeah. QZ makes it impossible to write a long post without it disappearing. Maybe write it up separately and paste it in here... I too, am curious as to your take on the film. The audience I saw it with seemed to eat it up and enjoy it. I thought it was kinda bizarre and a misstep. Full of potential but kinda weak for sucha tremendously bombastic band. |
Rainbow61 05.11.2018 22:43 |
I am thinking about Freddie’s supposed words to Jim Beach....“You can do whatever you want with my music, but don’t make me boring” (or some variation of that). No matter if you loved or hated the Bo-Rhap film or you fall somewhere in between, Freddie, without a doubt, is the most talked about musician in the entire world right now! For that I am glad. Dear Freddie...you were many things...but boring...IMPOSSIBLE!!! |
Blenkolove 06.11.2018 01:02 |
HELLO DARLINGS!!! WHAT THE HECK HAVE I MISSED?????? I WAS TRYING TO PM THOR RE; BOOK PROGRESS WHEN I DISCOVERED THE TROLL ATTACK!!!! Then again.....i guess I didn't really miss that much! Lol I have kept in touch with Noorie's Aunt....apparantly Noorie is still offline but her Aunt will be visiting Noorie shortly...so I asked her to tell Noorie that I miss her terribly and to please make contact as soon as possible!! I will send a quick note to her Aunt telling her how much Noorie is missed on this forum, and from Thor!! Hopefully she will reemerge soon!!!!!! Sooo good to see you all again!! I saw the movie friday...3pm showing and there was maybe ten of us viewing....i swear I was the only one miming, stomping, clapping, crying!!!! I left determined to go back with a FULL HOUSE so that we can partake in the energy and emotions together!!! Plus my beloved little Queenie granddaughter wants to see it with me!! There are a million innacuracies in the story....but it's a movie, not a documentary....so I get it!!! All the actors were brilliant!! Rami, most brilliant of all. I stayed until the lights came on.....but only wanted more!!! I'm positive I will see it many more times....and CANNOT WAIT TO BUY THE DVD!!!!! ....And also can NOT wait til Thor and Lee's book arrives!!!!!!...... I also don't do facebook.....but I will to stay in touch with you all!!....Again....so Good to see you are all here!!!! |
thundergod 06.11.2018 03:25 |
Hello All, I am going to give you my thoughts about “Bohemian Rhapsody” Anyone who disagrees with my review should feel free to comment as well and to present their differing views for all to read. My review is based on experiences with Freddie which were frequent from 1981 through 1983, very infrequent in 1984 through early 1985 and then again somewhat frequent from late 1985 through half of 1991. I did not know anything about Freddie prior to August 1980. I, therefore cannot make any first-hand comments on early Queen nor early Freddie. I can discuss much of Freddie’s long-lasting impressions on me, post-1980. Overall, for those who did not know him other than what has been shown and read in the many books about him, “Bohemian Rhapsody” it is Spectacular! I saw a somewhat fair basic portrayal of Freddie (Originally I was afraid that Freddie's gay side would be seriously downplayed) but as I will explain it was his good nature that was mostly downplayed. The music as one would expect is glorious. The gay internal part of Freddie is mentioned, but the viewer was not let-in on the wonderful side of Freddie off of the stage and outside of the band. Not too long ago a friend of QZ gave some of us vital information on the Zoroastrian people and religion as well as many of their traits. As this was shared with me, I could finally pinpoint where many of these basic, good, loving and, wholesome character traits I admired in Freddie, came from. This is where the movie goes wrong for me, Lee and even Brandon, who had only visited Freddie twice in 1986 and again in 1991. There is an obvious and sad lack of the consistent and deeply rooted, Freddie goodness, care, and happiness in this portrayal that Lee and I witnessed at every turn from 1980 until 1991 On the other hand, there was a bit too much portrayal of Freddie as the confused bi-sexual, being tempted and influenced by devious gays and who just could not, and never did, get over Mary. Believe me, in the eleven years that Lee and I knew him, he never once pined for Mary or any ladies at all. He actually LOVED being gay. He treated Mary very much like the ex-boyfriends, lovers, and very close friends (minus the hangers-on) that he loved and desired to keep in his life. He admired, quite lovingly, but perhaps with a dose of guilt, her long-term loyalty, her trustworthiness, her friendship, and then her first child. Yes, Richard was her over one-year-old baby boy when Freddie passed. Freddie was in fact, named the godfather by Mary, despite Freddie’s rapidly declining health. None the less, I know Freddie was very pleased with this and we watched him lovingly gaze at his godson playing on the swing Freddie had placed in a prominent place in the perfectly manicured greens, very near to the front door, at his beloved Garden Lodge. This was observed on the morning of our last day at Freddie’s house that June of 1991. Freddie was really too happy and too busy making music, making new friends and lovers to be lingering in the dark, desperately flipping that damn lamp on and off. I’m very sure this happened but probably did not last beyond the time of their fateful and absolute break-up. Due to the movie’s portrayal of Freddie in this manner, it is not surprising at all that the New York Chapter of his life was entirely left out. Even Phoebe, his constant companion was not mentioned in the movie but was given a consultant listing in the credits. It would have been entirely inconsistent with the rather melancholy, lonely, lost without Mary, poor soul idea. He was NONE of these! Certainly, it would have shown up during his time from 1981 through 1983, when we were nearly in communication, if not face to face, four to five times per week. Post-1985 (with Munich the exception) the communication via telephone from London and trips to the Garden Lodge. Now comes the interesting part of my review. On the first viewing with Lee and Brandon, we all felt similar but since we knew the real persona of Freddie we ignored the deviations and really enjoyed the movie. The next day I went with my young friend Andrew who barely knew of Freddie Mercury and only a small amount of familiarity with three hit Queen songs, including of course, “Bohemian Rhapsody.” During the movie, Andrew whispered to me, “God he is so bitchy” then later on, “He seems sooo unhappy.” Finally, he said, “wow he really loved Mary, and she really loved him. Why didn’t he go back to her even if he was gay? They could have made each other much happier. The gay guys in his life were all mean to him.” Enough said. Andrew really turned on to the music, but not very much to the personality of Freddie Mercury. This is all the more reason that OUR book needs to be read by the world. Love to you all QZoners from me and Lee. P.S. sorry this is so long. |
Saint Jiub 06.11.2018 04:04 |
thundergod wrote: Freddie as the confused bi-sexual, being tempted and influenced by devious gaysI was afraid that might be the portrayal ... One more reason not to see the movie ... Did Paul Prenter have a curly handlebar mustache with a constant malicious sneer and an evil laugh? |
thundergod 06.11.2018 05:14 |
Ha,ha St. Jiub...yes and everything wrong was blamed on him and once rejected, all could be happy again! The End. Go for the music that is REAL. |
oligneisti 06.11.2018 07:59 |
Thanks Thor, I am very happy to get a little insight from your side of Freddie's life. As always, very valuable for those of us who a like to get a deeper look at how Freddie really was. I almost want to reply with a thank you each time you post here. One thing I liked in the movie is Freddie always hinting that Roger sleeps around much more than he does. It points to the annoying double standard for gay vs. hetero rock star. It is perfectly fine for them to sleep with a lot of girls while sleeping with guys is somehow much worse. |
thundergod 06.11.2018 08:03 |
I agree with you completely oligneisti...and Thank YOU too. |
thundergod 06.11.2018 08:32 |
This is the short summary of the movie I sent to a QZ friend: In short, I think the theme of the movie was "Redemption." Freddie does Mary wrong, does his band wrong, apologizes to both of them, throws off the evil gays, and has the greatest concert ever! Only then, does Mary, the Band, and Freddie himself become extremely happy like never before..,. I think this theme is better used in fictional books and movies. |
Villiers2 06.11.2018 09:54 |
Thor, I asked Lee yesterday what he thought about it and he gave me quick rundown but this was so much more detailed and I have to say I am absolutely relieved to see that I wasn't the only one that viewed it that way. I only trust firsthand accounts of the man (Peter Freestone, Crystal Taylor, Jim Hutton) people who were there and have proof of being there- and from everything I've read about him via those trusted sources, that movie just wasn't Freddie. It was 'Disney Freddie'. The web is blowing up with joy over him being shown as a bisexual when the man was actually just gay and I do believe the movie attempted to show that, but screwed it up by making him seem jealous of Mary's boyfriend and leading the audience to believe their sex life before the breakup was great. (According to Mary and using common sense- it wasn't). The movie was a swing and a miss, imo. As always, your words are appreciated. More so than most as you were close to the man and your opinion holds real weight. You knew him. I really wish the world got to see a glimpse of the real Freddie in that film. They missed a great opportunity there. PS friends Mike Moran and Crystal Taylor gave the same review you did. Everyone who knew Freddie agreed. That's not the friend they knew and loved. Just had to pop back in to thank you for the review <3 |
runner_70 06.11.2018 12:35 |
Are the opinions of Moran and Crystal available online? I found tje film dreadful. Revisionist history and Maylor bigging themselves up while backstabbing Freddie. Most of the movie shows a sad drugged up unreliable Freddie who breaks up Queen. And I agree also that his lifestyle was sugarcoated and stigmatized. Hard to believe that everybody seems to rave about the Film |
Fmakne 06.11.2018 13:23 |
I'm so, so happy and relieved to see that a lot of you seem to share my exact same opinion about the movie. I think the world lost a great opportunity to celebrate Freddie's life, work and genius. Thank you, Thor, for your honest and candid review. |
Katydyd5 06.11.2018 13:58 |
Well, I'm going to stand alone. I loved it and am going again next week. I had read all the negatives before I went, but was able to leave all of that behind and just enjoy the music. I don't think the movie portrayed him as bi...……………...no, I'm going to stop myself right here. I don't want to get into some heated, ugly debate with anyone. There is so much political ugliness in my country right now that I have no desire to visit it in the escape I find with Freddie and Queen. Before anyone decides to jump on me for this, save your typing fingers. I'm going to step out for a while. |
Darren_1977 07.11.2018 07:24 |
After reading a lot of reviews of the film and Thor’s just now , I really think Sacha Baron Cohen would have done a fantastic job had he been allowed to do his interpretation, the real version of how Freddie was . Maylor and Beach didn’t want this as they wouldn’t have been the main focus of attention , after all the tag line in the trailers was “His Story” , something along the lines of it anyway . Really hope he goes ahead and does his own version of the film |
oligneisti 07.11.2018 07:55 |
Sacha Baron Cohen was too old, too pale and too tall to play Freddie. Just because this movie is deeply flawed doesn't mean he would have done it better. |
thundergod 07.11.2018 08:15 |
I almost agree, Darren_1977 but any actor, in this case, would be obligated to present this movie according to the producers, Brian May and Roger Taylor and their vision of it. I thought Rami did an excellent job. I did, however, wish they had erased the natural bags under Rami's eyes throughout the movie and not just during Live Aide portion. For me, that was the only segment where I thought Rami looked and moved almost exactly like Freddie. The body type was perfect. I think Sasha Baron Cohen might have been too tall and lanky to make a convincing Freddie. However, he did not want to work on a supposed DOCU-drama where there was not an accurate story behind the man who made the group what it was. True, the others are great musicians, but without Freddie's drive, exuberance, quirkiness, and flamboyance, Queen might have been the Supergroup that they were. Lee e-mailed me a long clip of Peter (Phoebe) Freestone being interviewed. He states clearly that this is not a documentary but a movie based on a rock band. He states that a lot of the detail was real with props, outfits and the personality portrayal of Brian, Roger and John. With Freddie, although he only started working with Freddie one year before I met them both in New York. Therefore he also excused himself from touching on the early years. It was great to see Phoebe again, if only on tape. He had his characteristic smile and soft voice with a feeling of confidence. Here it is: link Just copy and paste it onto your browser. |
thundergod 07.11.2018 08:18 |
Correction: "Queen might NOT have been the Supergroup that they were" |
thundergod 07.11.2018 08:21 |
Agreed Oligneisty, thanks for that comment. |
Katydyd5 07.11.2018 13:37 |
All right, I can't resist. If I am correct Roger and Brian are credited as music producers. Period. Phoebe was on the set every day and was so positive about what he was seeing, and he says that in Thor's link. The link is terrific. I heard it early on and agreed with him totally. He made the point several times that this was not a documentary and should be viewed only as entertainment. Of course I saw the errors and misrepresentations. I simply didn't dwell on them and allowed myself to be immersed in the entertainment. Many of my non-Queen friends have gone and loved the movie. They are now searching YouTube, etc to find out more about Freddie. They are asking me questions and I'm too happy to answer and share the whole Freddie with them. I haven't shut up since I saw the film on Monday and I'm going again next week. If this helps keep Queen and Freddie alive I'm happy. |
Catus 07.11.2018 14:55 |
Hi Thor, Thank you so much for your review! I was really looking forward to reading it, and I am happy that it resonates with my own thoughts about Freddie's character. Since I have watched a number of his interviews, and thanks to the fact that you and Lee have given us an insight into his life and character, I have always pictured him as a happy and easygoing person, loving his friends, and always surrounded by people who genuinely loved him. And because of that, I completely disagreed with the vision we were given in the movie, I thought it was too one-sided, too simple, if I may say so. Having said that, for me it was still a great experience. I loved Rami's acting, I thought he really did his best, and personally, I would rather have his vulnerable and gentle representation of Freddie than the way Baron Cohen wanted to depict him. I liked some mini-sequences (like the scene on a radio), and LOVED the Live Aid scene. It brought me to tears to realize that I could have never been there but yet in a way I was able to experience it. |
thundergod 07.11.2018 17:35 |
Hello Katydyd, Actually, I loved the movie too. My review may sound somewhat negative, but here is why: For over two years, I was preparing myself for a documentary/drama as it had been advertised. In my mind, a drama does not have to be fictitious and a documentary should never be. If I did not know Freddie, I would not have questioned anything about the movie and had accepted Freddie as overwhelmingly talented, but like many superstars, moody and basically unhappy. With Phoebe stating that the movie was never meant to be a documentary, I realized then, that I should be able to ease up on those expectations. Personally, I wanted to see the happy, caring, loving side of Freddie that Lee and I had experienced clearly in the early '80s and found steady and consistent later- on, even in the face of his AIDS diagnosis and failing body. |
Catus 07.11.2018 18:51 |
By the way, Thor, have you seen a recent mini-documentary posted on YT? There is a moment when Peter shows a picture of you, Freddie and other guys link I love that fact that the movie has attracted so much attention to Freddie and Queen |
thundergod 07.11.2018 20:27 |
Hi Catus, Thank you so much, I'd never seen that clip before. That picture Phoebe shows is me, John Murphy and Freddie (plus someone I do not remember) in the jacuzzi at the Hollywood mansion, he rented during the Michael Jackson collaboration. Unfortunately, as Phoebe points out, John was indeed, the first friend (non-sexual) of his to succumb to AIDS after John left New York to live with his boyfriend. |
stevendabudgie 07.11.2018 20:36 |
@thundergod a TV report on Freddie's time Munich link |
stevendabudgie 07.11.2018 20:36 |
@thundergod a TV report on Freddie's time Munich link |
stevendabudgie 07.11.2018 20:37 |
@thundergod a TV report on Freddie's time Munich link |
stevendabudgie 07.11.2018 20:37 |
@thundergod a TV report on Freddie's time Munich link |
thundergod 07.11.2018 21:06 |
Did somebody say a TV report?...LOL Don't worry stevendabudgie (aus Deutschland), I've made the same mistake a few times. I learned that you must only click "reply" once and wait. Sometimes it seems like your message did not go through, but be patient before you click reply again. |
Blenkolove 08.11.2018 01:53 |
Thor and Lee, It's so special to be able to learn your perspective, critiques and feelings regarding THE movie about your Friend!!! Very few people will have that special insight. I can't even IMAGINE what it must be like to be in your n Lee"s shoes!!!! You sharing private thoughts with all of us=PRICELESS!!!!! Here"s some thoughts I have had.....some have been ruminating around my crazy brain for a while; some are triggered by the movie.... What viscerally bothered me about Rami playing Freddie (beside the bug-eyes,not his fault of course) was that they didn't give him warm brown eyes!! I read on the net that actors sometimes have a difficult time wearing contacts....but what about CGI????? Idk....but of all the truths I could temporarily suspend.....this one stuck with me.(considering I'm in dental....one might think it would be the horrfic prosthetic teeth.......go figure!!) Since you and Lee were actually at Garden Lodge. How do you think it was represented visually/framed art, furnishings, etc??????? According to all written/oral accounts, Freddie was extremely proud of his art treasures!!!! Jim Hutton reported that one of the last things Freddie wanted to do was go downstairs to view his beloved collection. Do you have Any gut feeling that Freddie may have suspected he MAY be ill around the time of Live-Aid......I know what Phoebe states about the spring of 1987......i'm inquiring about your intuition????? I can't help but wonder How many who have seen the movie...did the first thing I did when I returned home...and that was to YouTube the actual Live-Aid Queen portion, and see it thru a new lense....even though I have previously watched it on my DVD and YT DOZENS if not Hundreds of times??!! The Best 20 minutes of Queen and Freddie......EVER!!!! Do you think Mary will give an opinion of the film??? And lastly, how do you think/feel it would have gone with Jim Hutton IF Freddie hadn't of been ill?????? Do you think Freddie might have married and had children, like Elton has done????????? Sorry this is so long......thanking you in advance for your and Lee's response!!! |
Blenkolove 08.11.2018 01:55 |
Oh yeah.....i watched Munich T V special....but all I understood was FM, America and Chicago!!! Lol....maybe I can get one of my German patients to translate for me!!!!!! |
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OMG...THAT MUST BE INTERNAL ERROR...CUZ I DID NOT HIT REPLY 3 TIMES!!!! SORRY! |
Catus 08.11.2018 02:30 |
Thanks Thor! It is a nice clip, and I was so glad to see you all there, Loved the picture, you all look so happy and relaxed. |
Katydyd5 08.11.2018 02:30 |
Thor, thanks for your reply to me. It made me feel a lot better. I would like to have seen the same things you were looking for about Freddie, but I went into it knowing I would not. I also struggled for a while before the movie with Rami's appearance. Frankly, I think Freddie was one of the most beautiful men I've seen, so I knew no one would be able to approach that ideal I have in my mind. Once I got used to seeing Rami's pictures all over social media, I was able to accept him as Freddie. I've also watched several interviews where he shows enormous respect for Freddie. I thought the music was incredible. I saw it in an IMAX theater and it was as if I was experiencing the music live as it pounded through my whole body. I wanted Freddie's sexuality to be treated honestly, and I felt they did the best they could with the rating they had. I respect your views on that issue. I am going again next week, with another friend who likes the music, but really doesn't know much beyond that so I'm excited to share my obsession. I really don't mind being in the minority here with my views, I simply didn't want to start a war of some kind, nor to be treated like the village simpleton. I've told you before that I'm fairly involved politically and it has been very stressful for two years now. I want my Freddie obsession to be my escape into joy. I don't mind sharing varying opinions at all, and I'm open to seeing something from a fresh standpoint. I just crave civility. |
thundergod 08.11.2018 02:39 |
Hey Katydyd, That's why you are so wonderful. Thank you for that. Go enjoy, enjoy, enjoy! I'd be interested in what your friend thinks about the Freddie persona that is displayed. I know they will love the music, you'd have to be from Outer Space not to. |
QueenFan76 08.11.2018 10:31 |
I know what Phoebe said but it is being called a biopic and many still act as if it's a documentary. Personally, I loved it. Thought all but Roger were balls to the walls accurate. I was bothered that his look never changes much throughout the movie. And aside from historical inaccuracies, it's amazing. I get the need to Hollywood up things but also puzzled that "right out of Hollywood" things like bad lovers like Bill Reid, the Death On Two Legs/Sheffield saga and Brian falling ill during the first US tour we're oddly left out. I'm just thrilled Queen is getting all this attention and finally have a movie on them. And I hope it leads to many more live releases and archival ones too. There's still a lot in those vaults! |
MisterCosmicc 08.11.2018 10:49 |
New Queen fans don't care about live releases or demos or extended versions or any of that... look at 'Let Me In Your Heart Again'... woah, so bad. Queen are totally controlled by their record labels and Jim Beach talks them into this crap. I wish Brian and Roger would honor the Queen fans that actually enjoy hearing their stuff aside from Greatest Hits tracks! Queen do nothing to promote their 82-91 stuff. Brian Wilson promotes Pet Sounds all the time. It reminds me of Queen promoting their 70's stuff. They surround themselves in an old era and are glad to be remembered by it. |
oligneisti 08.11.2018 11:48 |
I am trying to think of the chronology and path of real Freddie vs. movie Freddie. Movie Freddie: Confused about his sexuality, splits up with Mary, gets sucked into the gay party and drug scene, regrets his partying ways, gets diagnosed and decides to settle down. The problem with the movie version is that aids works as a catalyst for him settling down but real life Freddie had been searching for a meaningful lasting relationship longer. The fact that he was simply getting older and, as most people, got tired of the party life. Aids is of course significant in many ways, I would think, both the fear and also losing friends, but not the sole motivation for changing his lifestyle which was a part of a much longer process. The movie is so easily viewed as a morality tale about the promiscuous gay lifestyle. I would dare any heterosexual man (of which I am one) to say that he wouldn't have lots of sex if it was easy, free from the fear of pregnancy and you didn't know about any serious STDs while at the same time society didn't accept you committing to a long term relationship. If you were a rock star in that kind of situation of course you would have sex all the time, hetero rock stars have sex with a lot of a girls even though they know about STDs, the risk of pregnancy and live in a society that not only accepts long term hetero relationships but also celebrates and even reward you for them. The historical coincidence of aids, which could have started earlier or later, gives bigots such fuel for their condemnation that it is sickening to see how they use it. The movie, accidentally I hope, plays into the hands of these people. I would rather have liked to see a commentary about how the establishment, especially the Reagan government, tried to ignore aids instead of researching it and fighting it. It really took hemophiliac kids to get them to react since they were seen as "innocent" victims while gay people were "guilty" of having forbidden sex. So, yeah, missed opportunity. |
oligneisti 08.11.2018 11:59 |
And yes, I've seen people who've seen the movie wondering about who infected Freddie or if he infected Jim. As is if being the one who infects someone is guilty while the one who is infected is innocent instead of realizing that both people are victims of the disease. Reminds me of "And the band played on..." a well meaning movie which seemed to blame "Patient Zero" for the crisis. |
Queenfanrach 08.11.2018 18:46 |
Thank you to Thor and Lee for your fascinating memories of your time with Freddie I understand that you are or have written a book about it, do you have more details on that? |
thundergod 08.11.2018 19:35 |
Hmmm Queenfan1976, I originally heard this movie effort in the earlier days to be called a "Docu-drama" but the term "Bio-pic" is not much better as it suggests a biography which is also supposed to be factual and accurate. Perhaps the best term would be a " Movie- based on a true story." I love the music and the man and the music was real. I loved the credits with the real Freddie too! |
thundergod 08.11.2018 19:36 |
Sorry...QueenFan76 |
thundergod 08.11.2018 19:41 |
Hi MisterCosmicc, Thanks for making your comment. I agree with your "Pet Sounds" bit about Brian Wilson...what a fantastic album! |
thundergod 08.11.2018 19:51 |
Hey oligneisti, Wow..what a well-written response. You have great insight into that tragic period of time. Better insight than many gays now have. SO many have not learned the lessons from that awful time period. They may be healthy now with the medications Freddie never had access to, but with age comes a natural wearing down of the immune system. I worry about them carrying HIV for all those years despite it being kept in check. |
thundergod 08.11.2018 20:11 |
Yes Queenfanrach, We have written a "coffee table" style book with about 50 never before seen pics of Freddie enjoying himself with his friends when he lived in New York City in his own hi-rise condominium. Also, later, of our visits to Freddie and the Garden Lodge. The wonderful New York days '81 thru '83 are skipped over completely. They went right to the darker days of Munich in '84. The happiness with his group of American friends would not have fit in the plot of the movie. Our new book showcases this chapter of Freddie's life ...no brooding...no wild party-going. Yes there was cocaine and alcohol but not to any miserable, out-of-control and relentlessly addictive extent. |
thundergod 08.11.2018 20:26 |
Oh, almost forgot. We have a GoFundMe site at link. We are as of today, only $143.00 away from our goal of $2000.00 to help with publishing costs. None of the money will be used until we have signed a publishing contract. The publishing process has been long and tedious. We are still awaiting a final word, post submission of our entire manuscript, by an excellent publishing prospect. |
oligneisti 08.11.2018 23:35 |
thundergod wrote: Hey oligneisti, Wow..what a well-written response. You have great insight into that tragic period of time.Thank you. I was hesitant about posting this because I wasn't there but you saw it unfold. A positive note: The interest from the movie should help you with the book and you could even sneak in some fact-checking about the movie there. |
stevendabudgie 08.11.2018 23:51 |
@Blenkolove: About the "Chicago"-bit: (gay) leather clubs in Chicago raffled weekend tickets for "Deutsche Eiche", the restaurant that is being shown. It also mentioned that Rainer Werner Fassbender, a famous German director, frequented "Eiche" and fell in love with a waiter. Back then there were casements, but even when opened, you could not look inside inside, the window panes were plastered with pictures. The reason was homosexuality was illegal back then ("paragraph 175, or "gay paragraph")). The old guy guiding us through Munich is Peter Ambacher a performance artist and drag queen. He started playing "Miss Piggy" (on the photos) in t he bar that is being shown. That's where he met Freddie, a regular guest. Freddie seemed to feel quite cofortable there. The first seconds of the report Peter is showing the bar where Freddie met Winnie Kirchberger, "Freddie's big love", who was living on the seond floor of the same building. Somewhere in the middle of the report Peter states there were only 2, 3 of Freddie's Munich circle alive- all the others died. He remembers that they had this quirk they all together should travel to New York for one week- which "proved fatal": Peter's lover also died of AIDS, they were speculating that they contracted the virus in New York. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 01:15 |
I don't believe Freddie contracted AIDS in New York, but perhaps rather in Munich. Of course, I don't know this for certain but Freddie did not go to the sex bars such as "The Mine Shaft" or downstairs at The Anvil in New York and I knew or met everyone that Freddie dated. I think Phoebe would know better than me as he was with him every day in New York and Munich. By the way, didn't Winnie show signs of AIDS a while before Freddie? Stevedabudgie, I am not knocking Munich, I have been there three times (without Freddie) and I loved it. Nobody really knows how it was spread to him. |
Blenkolove 09.11.2018 01:30 |
Stevenbudgie, Thank You so much for taking the time to explain the clip to me!! How interesting!! I will now rewatch and understand it better!! I REALLY do have quite a few German patients (it's Florida....a true melting pot) who I am comfortable enough with to ask for a translation!!! Also, i appreciate your response.....as i haven't received ANY responses so I was starting to think my post weren't 'posting'!!! Side note....my mom had a blue parakeet (named Budgie) as a kid that she swears learned to talk by sitting on the handle of her toothbrush while she was brushing her teeth!!! Take care!!! |
Dustin Zimmerman 09.11.2018 02:05 |
@Thor Freddie did go to the mineshaft and the anvil according to freestone. Everything points to freddie getting it in late 79 or early 80. His boyfriend tony bastin he was with in 79 died of aids just a few years later around 85. Winnie died of it in 90 or close to freddie. Joe also had it and died after freddie. That's 3 he had sex with that had it but my money is on tony based on the dates. A sad story any way you slice it. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 02:36 |
Thanks Dustin for the info. So it possibly happened before he moved to New York. To tell you the truth, I really don't know any follow-up with Freddie's old boyfriends in New York since I moved to San Diego in December of 1984. Loved the budgie story Blenkolove! Stevedabudgie explained his connection with budgies in Germany a while back. |
Blenkolove 09.11.2018 03:23 |
Dustin, thanks for confiming what I had thought I read in one of the many books on Freddie going to those clubs. Plus he wore the Mineshaft t-shirt on one of his concerts....and I may have spotted an Anvil t-shirt also. I have so many books on him....i just couldn't recall which one off the top of my head. Phoebe's book sounds about right!! |
thundergod 09.11.2018 03:31 |
Don't forget, I met Freddie at the Anvil- but it was the clean, light, upper floor, not the dark, crazy lower level. |
Dustin Zimmerman 09.11.2018 03:59 |
I hope I'm not being too dark and feel free to tell me if I am Thor but I couldn't help but feel a flash of nerves piecing that timeline together and speaking with you. Tony was with freddie in 79 and died in the early to mid 80s. He's likely at least one of the people who gave him the virus. You met freddie in 80 or 81 (sorry I forget) and spent a night with them that happened to not pan out the way you expected. Again you can tell me if I'm being too crass but do you ever think about how close you were to a very different life had you and freddie not used protection and had a successful night? Now looking back and seeing it's very possible and most likely that he did have it by the time he met you..Jim said the only difference between him and Freddie was the date they were infected. Freddie found out he had AIDS in the late 80s and Jim got tested and found he had HIV. Because he was likely infected by freddie in 85 he never developed AIDS. So many people didn't make it just because they got it too early. And to think in 1980 you were right there. Sir I hope you dont mind me saying you're a very lucky man. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 04:17 |
You are correct Dustin, I am very lucky. But I think I can attribute my luck to wearing condoms with everyone including my 7-year relationship. Also, I've mentioned this somewhere I think - I've always been a pitcher and not a catcher if you get my drift. |
stevendabudgie 09.11.2018 04:27 |
@Blenkolove You're welcome. There are other aspects in the clip: The man in "Deutsche Eiche" gives some personal insight. He grew up with a strict father who beat him. He could not talk to anybody about his homosexuality and was very miserable and desperate, even suicidal. But when he moved to Munich for his studies he finally felt good because of many gay institutions in the quarter. The AIDS crisis is also adressed. In 1987 the Bavarian government had plans for compulsory HIV-test for "risk groups". Although "homosexual" was not explicitly mentioned the Munich gay community felt stigmatized. As a result many gays left Munich for Berlin or withdrew into a much more closeted life style. In 1994 the "gay paragraph" was repealed. The report ends with the statment that gays had arrived in mainstream, Peter mentions that today gay couples can walk the streets holding hands, back then they only could live everything out inside the bars. But still, in Freddie's times, it was also much more exciting. Many Gay bars have given way to shops or opened up to heterosexuals, only few bars from that time remained, "and the memories." By the way, happy belated Halloween! link |
Blenkolove 09.11.2018 05:31 |
TOO Funny!! Killer parakeets!! Birds only Hitchcock would adore!!! Ps....The Birds has left me freaked out by them my ENTIRE LIFE!!! GOOD BELLY LAUGH....THANKS FOR THAT!! |
Queenfanrach 09.11.2018 06:43 |
Thor I will be happy to pledge some money towards publishing the book :) Do you guys have a Facebook group as well? |
Charlies boy 09.11.2018 07:35 |
Hi Thor when you get a chance could you check your messages please. Just had a couple questions I would like to ask privately if I can. Have a great evening. |
Katydyd5 09.11.2018 14:04 |
Wow Thor, you guys reached your Go Fund Me goal! Congratulations! Is there any way you can restore the comments from donors? That disappeared at an earlier point. I always enjoyed seeing the words of encouragement being sent your way. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 15:54 |
Hey Stevendabudgie, Thank you for your translation of the salient points of the Munich video... AND of course, the killer budgies...hilarious! |
thundergod 09.11.2018 15:56 |
Will do Charlies boy. Thank you for your FIRST post! ...Welcome friend. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 15:58 |
Hello Queenfanrach, Thank you for your donation. Much appreciated. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 16:01 |
Hey Katydyd, I have no idea what happened to all the donation messages - there were many. I will ask GoFundMe for help on this matter. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 16:08 |
As Katydyd pointed out, WE HAVE REACHED OUR GOFUNDME GOAL! [Your support]..."and everything that goes with it...I thank you all" |
Katydyd5 09.11.2018 16:13 |
Thor, I don't know how GFM works. Can people continue to donate or does the door shut when the goal is reached? |
Catus 09.11.2018 16:30 |
Yay, you did it!! Congratulations, Thor and Lee!! |
thundergod 09.11.2018 16:31 |
Glad you asked Katydyd... DONATIONS ARE STILL ACCEPTED, even beyond the goal. I am going to increase it when we sign a publishing contract. I've set April 30th, 2019 as the last date for finding a trustworthy publisher. After that, we will look into self-publishing. We will NOT use one of the hundreds of Vanity Presses, some that hound me nearly every week. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 16:33 |
Thanks, Catus...we couldn't have done it without you and so many wonderful QZ people! |
Katydyd5 09.11.2018 20:09 |
"and everything that goes with it...……..I thank you all" Thor, that was absolutely perfect. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 20:27 |
Getting published is no "bed of roses" and "no pleasure cruise" dear Katydyd. |
thundergod 09.11.2018 20:31 |
"We are the unpublished writers of the world. And we'll go on fighting to the end!" |
thundergod 09.11.2018 20:33 |
Sorry Freddie..we'll "KEEP on fighting to the end" |
stevendabudgie 09.11.2018 21:05 |
Thor, your thunderbolt and lightening can very very frighten publishers. They need your hammer to fall ;) |
thundergod 09.11.2018 21:11 |
HaHa Stevendabudgie...isn't it funny that one can find a Queen song lyric for every need and occasion! |
Blenkolove 10.11.2018 02:47 |
You can save it for another day.....Don't Try So Hard!!!!! (My New All Time FAVE) |
queenbuzz 10.11.2018 02:58 |
I am new and just spend the afternoon and evening your two threads. All I have to say is WOW ! Thanks for taking the time Thor to answer the questions. I have a few but will save them for another day. Thank you for your contribution! |
Katydyd5 10.11.2018 03:05 |
Welcome Queenbuzz. This is a nice group of people and Thor is great about answering questions. Sometimes Lee pops in too. |
thundergod 10.11.2018 03:16 |
I second the welcome Queenbuzz. Lee has picked up extra shifts for Christmas money. I usually just speak for him. I have known him for 42 years and we usually agree on stuff. |
Blenkolove 10.11.2018 05:28 |
Welcome Queenbuzz! This site is AMAZING, Thor (and Lee) is a generous 'host'. I have learned so much about Freddie here. And since he is my main obsession, it's wonderful to have so many others to 'share the Freddie Love 'with!!!...... Looking forward to your views, comments, movie thoughts, Freddie questions...etc. Also...if you haven't checked out 'Ask Phoebe' yet...i recommend you do so. He has a wealth of information on Freddie also. |
queenbuzz 11.11.2018 04:40 |
Thank you all soo much for the most kind welcome I have ever received from joining a forum group. Thor..I was just so impressed with what a class act you are in telling your story! Your kindness to others with answering question after question. I am 49 years old and my memories of queen were sneaking it from my conservative parents. Had nothing to do with Freddie or Queen, just the type music but I listened to it whenever I could.Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Ozzy Osbourn ect had all of those backmasking hidden "Satanic" messages that my parents would have kicked me out of the house for. I read Jim Huttons book and the one questions I kept thinking of was was this a monogamous relationship on both sides? There were always other men in the house and Jim liked to go out and have a good time himself. Was everyone in that house platonic or did "things happen"? That might be a question for Phoebe. I also am curious of Freddies thoughts on America. Not politics, but way of life, the country itself. We know he enjoyed NYC but what about the other parts of the country? He probably never stayed long enough in one city to really "look around". Was America the ultimate for him for success or he really didn't loose sleep over it if he wasn't number one.? What was it like when the rest of the band traveled with their families? They all had children except for Freddie? Was the arrangements after the concerts much for subdued since there were kids running around? Thank you again for welcoming me to the forum! I have not seen the movie yet, I had to take my son to see Venon tonight and I could hear the music in the theater next door. Wish I was there instead. |
queenbuzz 11.11.2018 04:59 |
Oh and one more for Thor. What a truly giving and compassionate life to choose to work for Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in NYC. I often think of those who work with pediatric oncology and hospice nurses. How much of that heartache stays with you? What is the hardest think for you personally to have to go through with that kind of profession?. I hope that the families were touched by your kindness as you seem to be so compassionate. I know you are retired now but really wanted to ask you that personal questions. |
thundergod 11.11.2018 05:29 |
Hi queenbuzz, , I'll answer your last question first. Pediatric Oncology was definitely very challenging. In those days, patients and their mother and/or father would room-in with their child which could last sometimes up to a month or more. With this long and unheard of today, length of stay, I was able to make friends with the kids and their parent(s). One of my first patients was a little boy from Venezuela and his mother. They did not speak English but I could get by with my Spanish I had a simple marionette who we called Pepe. Through Pepe, I was able to teach him things about his current care and his future care in a fun way which he really enjoyed. He had liver cancer and there were no liver transplants back then. I.treated him for a month, and then came to work one day and he wasn't there. Pepe was put in a bag at the nurses station. I was a wreck and cried for about a half hour. As months went by, I never got used to children dying but immersed myself in my work and developed ways to cope. Very few survived in that time period and with every death, I felt a loss and gave a long hug to the family member, if it happened on my shift. . I burned out after 3 1/2 years and got into Acute Physical Rehabilitation when I arrived in San Diego. where I was eventually referred to as the Spinal Cord Expert although sometimes I was assigned to the Brain Injury or Stroke units. |
thundergod 11.11.2018 05:47 |
Well, I know Freddie enjoyed traveling through America from 1980 - 1983. However he loved New York City the most. At that time, not everyone could connect Queen with the actual Freddie Mercury, just like me at first. We could walk down the streets of New York without most people not recognizing him. In West Greenwich Village where we spent a lot of time together (I lived there). We all looked alike at that time in the early '80s with the way we dressed and, of course, the ubiquitous mustaches. He could not do this in London. He longed to just fit in. So, with my group of four pack-rats as friends and chaperones, he absolutely loved New York and was truly happy in the mansion in the sky that he bought. Although avoided in "Bohemian Rhapsody," those were a wonderful 24 months for ALL of us. |
thundergod 11.11.2018 05:53 |
Ha Ha, other than a quick hello, how are you, to the bandmates. Freddie always wanted to leave the venue as fast as possible and start our evening out together. Occasionally there were some children about, but we sailed right past them. Now, I wish we hadn't. Brian, Roger, and John were great people and I would have liked to have known them better AND their wives and children. |
Rainbow61 11.11.2018 07:17 |
Hi Thor, I am so glad Freddie enjoyed anonymity while living in NYC. That must have been a welcome break from the rock star attention he often received. On those few occasions when he was recognized, do you recall any particularly interesting run-in with a fan? Would Freddie sign autographs if asked? In regards to post-show activities, did Freddie ever need to talk about the concert with you, Lee and the guys, or was that all behind him once he left the venue? Just out of curiosity, did you ever meet Jim Beach? (I hope I'm not asking questions I already asked last year) |
Rainbow61 11.11.2018 07:35 |
A few job related questions... What do you miss the most about nursing? Now that you are retired, is your nursing license still valid? When you moved to California, did you need to take additional courses or other exams to be licensed there? I am always so grateful for people who choose career paths that I could never do...nursing is one of those occupations, especially in oncology...working for Child Protective Services is another just to name a couple. |
NickGreen 11.11.2018 12:33 |
Hi Thor Glad you reached the book goal, i just made a donation (or three..i decided to up the amount i hope this is acceptable to you :) . and to thank you for your insights here. |
Rainbow61 11.11.2018 14:40 |
To the Queen Zone men and women spread far and wide who served their country…a very happy Veterans Day to you all. I thank you for your service and for your sacrifice. To the many Queen Zone fans who are spread around the globe and also celebrate November 11…Happy Remembrance Day! |
Rainbow61 11.11.2018 15:12 |
Oops...I know Remembrance Day is a solemn day... |
thundergod 11.11.2018 20:40 |
Hey there Rainbow ("feel the rainbow") For those who do not know, that quote is from an American candy company with a product called "Skittles", little fruit flavored bites. So, last March I let my RN license go from "active" to "inactive". It could be changed back to active if I complete the required Continuing Education credits and a give up a bunch of money. (Just to keep it inactive, cost me $350.00). I have no current plans to work again. Keeping my yearly income smaller, I am able to pay less in taxes and get more of a discount on my health insurance premiums. I am |
thundergod 11.11.2018 20:41 |
delete the last "I am" please. |
thundergod 11.11.2018 21:12 |
Continuing Rainbow, There was a reciprocal license agreement between New York State and California. So, after another large fee (in 1984 terms), the change itself was easy. I miss helping patients. I always thanked my lucky stars to not be in their situation, but my entire heart was geared toward them. This was so rewarding, even if the complete recovery from their injuries was only about 25-40% of the patient population. The last few years, however, became more concerned with documenting EVERYTHING in our Nursing Notes so as to prevent any lawsuits against the corporation. This, of course, allowed for much less time with the patients. Nursing Assistant numbers were decreased to less than the bare minimum, which added even more work for the RN's. At every meeting, they were adding more and more work and more and more, pressure not to go into overtime. Even if you stayed after your shift, but punched out at the "required" time" just to finish up what you were responsible for, they started to tell you, "You know you cannot keep working after you punched out." Easy for them to say, as they did not have patient assignments. With all of this going on, our CEO was the second highest paid healthcare CEO in all of California, North and South. And they called themselves a "Not for Profit" institution. Times have certainly changed. As with everything else in our current American society, Greed rules! So disappointing compared to the earlier days! |
thundergod 11.11.2018 21:40 |
Welcome, welcome NickGreen, Thanks so much for your generosity and support of our book. Like all of us who care, we have to be very patient with the pursuit of a reputable publisher. They really take their sweet time, which is understood but still tiring to the soul. After the "Bohemian Rhapsody" portrayal of Freddie, our book became so much more necessary by encapsulating much of the away time from music which Freddie enjoyed equally as well as his creative and performance time. We show his real personality through our photos and narratives. What was obviously Freddie, the generous, loving, humorous, fun loving, (not so drugged-out) and the caring, true friend, who as I keep saying, just wanted to be one of the boys while in New York and then again after Munich, although so much more difficult for him in London. |
thundergod 11.11.2018 22:28 |
Hey everyone, I just discovered this, which shows some of the, ah, deviations from the truth in Bohemian Rhapsody. For what it's worth, it is still an exciting, great musical feast! link |
thundergod 11.11.2018 23:53 |
As I've said before, this movie should really have been called," A dramatization based on a true story." |
Katydyd5 12.11.2018 01:45 |
Thor, thanks for the link you shared. I've sent it on to several friends who have been asking me about the movie. As you know, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie as entertainment, but I've been happy to share a more realistic story with friends who had only surface knowledge before. Thanks also for sharing about your career. I've always admired nurses, but knew it was not a job for me. My DIL is a nurse in a nursing home/rehab center and some of her stories are heartbreaking. I can understand burning out in children's oncology. As a teacher, I lost three students in the course of a very long career, and they haunt me to this day. How you could deal with it on a daily basis is something I can't fathom. I think the rehab unit would also bring it's share of heartbreak, but also much joy in the successes. I think you are a most compassionate man, and I'm sure your patients were blessed to have you as their nurse. I think you were one of the lucky ones who found your niche in life. I also understand the way corporations can break your spirit. The same thing happened with teaching when everything became test and data driven, with documentation required for everything. I felt like I had no time left to enjoy the kids. While I miss the kids, I'm glad I'm out. |
Rainbow61 12.11.2018 06:44 |
Thor, Unfortunately your story is not uncommon in today’s work world…being asked to do more with fewer resources and less help. I think it is disheartening to many people, especially for those in the “helping professions” such as nursing. Thank you for sharing that important time in your life…what an amazing career! Since you were a nurse during the onset of the AIDS crisis, did you ever witness patients being treated with less care or compassion then they deserved? Did you receive any special training on how to work with patients who were HIV+ or had AIDS? |
stevendabudgie 12.11.2018 07:34 |
@Thor @Blenkolove The actor playin John Deacon is known as the Kid from the first "Jurassic Park". What is less is known is he almost played the lead role in planned Stanley Kubrick project. Watch second half link |
Blenkolove 13.11.2018 03:20 |
Stevendabudgie (Ha! Got it right this time!! .....), that was an interesting YouTube on Kubrick. ....honeststly, he was an intense director and I'm still not certain if I am a die-hard fan.....let's say I found Most of his movies 'interesting'.....but too bad he didn't choose to do his version of the WWII drama with Little Joe Mazzello!!! I actually never recognized him, not thru the trailers, YouTube interviews, and not even during the movie!! I discovered it after the fact....somewhere on YT!!! ....Then it clicked...ohhhh yeeeah....that WAS the little boy from Jurassic Park!!!!!! PROPS TO JOE.....He was PERFECT as Deaky!!! Side note; My young little family piled into our Isuzu Rodeo and watched JP at the local Drive-in movie theater!!!! Thank goodness the kids still remember this event....as the drive-in was leveled shortly after our viewing.....and became a Home Depot!!!!!! Gosh I miss Drive-ins!!!!!! Thanks 'Budgie'...... |
queenbuzz 13.11.2018 22:16 |
link Interview with Peter Freestone. Early in the interview is such an interesting take on Freddies home life and the fact that he didn't talk much about his time previous to Queen. Mr. Freestone spent time in a boarding school in India as well so he understood this. He was saying that Freddie compartmentalized his family life and didn't need to call his mom (family) every day possibly as a result of being separated in childhood. His friends were more like family and that the work and social life were separate entities from family and that he saw his family when his mother contacted him. Just thought I would share this if anyone is interested. |
thundergod 13.11.2018 22:27 |
Thank you queenbuzz...keep buzzing! |
queenbuzz 13.11.2018 23:11 |
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queenbuzz 13.11.2018 23:29 |
Thanks Thor! I will do my best :) |
thundergod 13.11.2018 23:29 |
Oops...queenbuzz' Your message did not come through...try again, please. |
thundergod 13.11.2018 23:30 |
Never mind, now it is showing! |
queenslegacy 13.11.2018 23:32 |
aahhhhh. i finally finished reading this thread. interesting stuff. im excited for your book, Thor and Lee!!! thank you for spending your time to share your experiences with Mr. Mercury. I’ve enjoyed reading them. |
thundergod 14.11.2018 00:12 |
Thank you queenslegacy, Welcome to our friendly blog that celebrates Freddie. Occasionally we get trolls, but our policy now is to ignore and isolate. They tend to leave if we do that. Great to hear from you. |
queenslegacy 14.11.2018 00:22 |
Exactly how I handle them! I pretty much skipped over the parts with everyone interacting with trolls. Seems pointless to engage with them. Glad to be here though. :-) |
A05 14.11.2018 07:56 |
Hi Thor, Lee, I don't know if you are answering questions about Freddie any more, but I'll give it a try. I am newbie on this forum and actually I came here after watching Bohemian Rhapsody movie. To leave a bad review. I think this movie humiliates Freddie (although he is certainly the one who just wouldn't be humiliated by anything this or that person did or said). But that's not the point of my question. I've read the previous thread and this one in an attempt to "get to know Freddie". By the way, thanks to everybody who recommended the books on Queen and Freddie. I've read Peter Hince's opus and David Evans/David Minns' book and it really explains a lot. I've watched numerous interviews I've never seen before (my favourite so far is the "Time" interview with Dave Clark). I have the following questions to Thor and Lee. If they interefere with anybody's privacy, please feel free to skip them. 1) I get it from your recollections that Freddie didn't have any of "stardom" habits. He was quite down to earth and generous and easy in his ways. Still I have the idea that he has this "out of the earth" quality. Sometimes a person is really sincere, kind, loving, but somehow alienated from others. Like he has trouble explaining himself and even when he acts like all others do (going to clubs, having a drink, chatting, taking meals), he stands out. Have you ever had a feeling when talking with Freddie that even with you, close friends, he is not on this Earth completely? Like he participates in conversations, but his mind goes places you do not understand. 2) Second question I guess follows the first one. You wrote before that Freddie was eagerly discussing his love life with you, and giving you a helping hand or cheerung you up when things were tough for you. Freddie seems to be this kind of person who is always getting into trouble himself, but at the same time gives really sound advice on relationship of others. Was it ever an occassion, when you acted on his advice towards your lover/friend/boss without actually understanding why, but trusting Freddie's wisdom, and then it turned out really the way you wished? Without going into details, of course. Thank you for sharing your precious friendship with us. This makes a difference! |
thundergod 14.11.2018 20:41 |
Welcome to our family AO5, My answers to your questions might be a bit underwhelming, but I will try to answer them. Question 1: Alienation was not observed in New York when we were the closest. (1981 through1983). He blended into my group of four close friends very easily. He liked meeting people who did not recognize him, or even those few that did but treated him with respect and kindness. Few to none hounded him for autographs or pictures, and of course, the press, the major ordeal that he did not care for in the UK. New York City was a well-needed respite for him - and he loved it! He became the sort of friend that one could only wish for to my whole group of 4 friends, who became HIS group of 6 friends - Freddie, Phoebe, Thor, Lee, Joe, and John. He was never sad and lonely like the movie portrays him to be when we were around Question 2: We did discuss relationships but other than the time in the winter of 1982-83 when he noticed I was a bit down and proceeded to fly my recently met friend from Houston to New York to cheer me up. That was during the famous New York City blizzard which Freddie turned into a white party at his skyrise apartment. From so high, New York looked very much like a winter wonderland! I would give Freddie relationship advice when he showed a great interest in my co-bartender, Ray, who was pretty muscular and gorgeous and even a bit intimidating to our Freddie who, as you said, does not intimidate easily. With boyfriends, however, he did get somewhat intimidated. Unknown to Freddie, I prepped Ray on Freddie's admirations. The outcome was a success, and they went out on several dates. Freddie liked my style of introducing him to people in the clubs, befriending them first and then introducing them to him. As he would say, "Fabulous, it worked darling!" |
thundergod 14.11.2018 20:56 |
Hi Rainbow, I just realized that I missed your last question. Remember, I was working in pediatrics and it was not until I moved to San Diego (1984) that I saw my first HIV+ 16 years old hemophiliac patient. Before it was understood that casual contact with these victims was not at all dangerous, anyone HIV+ was put on strict isolation. What a relief for all when just "universal precautions" became the standard which is used with any patient. No gowns, no masks, just gloves, and handwashing when handling any body fluids. Also, they developed safer methods to cap and dispose of needles to avoid needle sticks to the caregiver. |
Charlies boy 15.11.2018 01:25 |
I can't believe what I'm seeing after the movie and I have no idea how you or Peter Frestone can handle it. Thousands [actually thousands] of people on all sites of social media, articles, YouTube videos and comments saying Freddie was into women and was shown as a proud bisexual in the movie. An article I saw yesterday shunned Mary for "leaving him because she didn't understand his bisexuality". You've got to be joking. Everyone who knew him and Freddie Mercury himself said he was gay. They act like closted people didn't exist. How many men marry women and have kids before realizing they are gay and not bisexual? Freddie didn't marry her [because he knew he was gay] never slept with another woman after her, called himself gay, all friends say he was gay, but he's deemed a "bisexual icon who absolutely was not gay"? How do people not understand he said he thought he was bisexual to her and she said he was gay because she knew he couldn't have sex with her anymore. A bisexual can and wants to have sex with women too. Freddie didn't. The movie made him look terribly jealous and hurt by Mary's pregnancy and dying other men when that shit never happened at all. It only served to hide the gay in him. Absolutely disgusting. I actually wanted my money back for my ticket. I should have asked for a refund. |
Charlies boy 15.11.2018 01:28 |
Sorry that should have said "dating other men" |
Charlies boy 15.11.2018 01:35 |
Peter said Freddie told him that if a book or movie was to be made about him after death he would want it to be TRUTHFUL. I know Freddie didn't want the public to know he was gay but knowing Freddie wanted an accurate representation of himself after he was gone, do you think he would be annoyed that so many people are still desperately trying to make him into something he wasn't? I would assume he would have wanted the world to know he was gay and not into women in the one movie that was officially produced and made about him after his death. A movie that claims to be a biopic. |
thundergod 15.11.2018 01:47 |
Hey Charlies boy, Check out link if you missed it a couple of days ago. If you've already watched it, no problem. |
thundergod 15.11.2018 01:54 |
Also, Charlies boy, This is why our book is so important. It tells the truth about Freddie being very confident and comfortable with his sexual orientation. He never once eyed a female as a possible sexual relationship or was heartsick about Mary...she was a friend, albeit, a very close friend. He certainly did not want her back as a love interest. |
A05 15.11.2018 02:32 |
Charlies boy wrote: Peter said Freddie told him that if a book or movie was to be made about him after death he would want it to be TRUTHFUL. I know Freddie didn't want the public to know he was gay but knowing Freddie wanted an accurate representation of himself after he was gone, do you think he would be annoyed that so many people are still desperately trying to make him into something he wasn't? I would assume he would have wanted the world to know he was gay and not into women in the one movie that was officially produced and made about him after his death. A movie that claims to be a biopic. |
A05 15.11.2018 02:33 |
Charlies boy wrote: Peter said Freddie told him that if a book or movie was to be made about him after death he would want it to be TRUTHFUL. I know Freddie didn't want the public to know he was gay but knowing Freddie wanted an accurate representation of himself after he was gone, do you think he would be annoyed that so many people are still desperately trying to make him into something he wasn't? I would assume he would have wanted the world to know he was gay and not into women in the one movie that was officially produced and made about him after his death. A movie that claims to be a biopic. |
A05 15.11.2018 02:35 |
I apologize for double posting. The quoting tool seems to do tricks with messages. >Charlies boy wrote: >Peter said Freddie told him that if a book or movie was to be >made about him after death he would want it to be TRUTHFUL. Well, actually Peter Freestone was consulting the screenwriters. He was one of the consultants along with Brian and Roger. Thor, thank you so much for the answers. So Freddie's help was mainly doing things for his friends. By alienated I was not meaning in a bad way. Geniuses are in many ways alienated from people surrounding them, even close friends. Sometimes people mistake it for arrogance. But in fact they live in their own world, and when it shows (like in Freddie's case through his music and voice), this world is beautiful and powerful. But at the same time in everyday life they may be at a loss for words . I am glad that Freddie could genuinely relax and chat and laugh with his friends. |
Charlies boy 15.11.2018 02:45 |
Ao5 yeah I heard one of his interviews and I know he liked it as a not biopic. He talks to my friend on facebook and the convention and he told him it wasn't accurate but he didn't have total control and neither did the band. He said he was happy with it as a movie but not as a biopic for Freddie in the means of accuracy. If that makes sense. |
Charlies boy 15.11.2018 02:47 |
Thank you Thor I will watch it when I get home tonight. The comments from idiots thinking they knew better than his friends and Freddie himself was enough to turn me off all Freddie and Queen related videos on YouTube for a week. I do take some comfort in knowing Peter said it wasn't accurate and not to expect accuracy. |
thundergod 15.11.2018 02:49 |
My long response was once again eaten by the QZ monster. My fault because I did not save the message which I certainly should know by now. I will try to repeat it tomorrow. |
thundergod 15.11.2018 03:00 |
I love all the new people that are coming to this blog / thread. YOU are so welcome and vital for the continued success of this pro-Freddie site. We loved him then and so much more even now ! |
A05 15.11.2018 03:46 |
Charlies boy wrote: Ao5 yeah I heard one of his interviews and I know he liked it as a not biopic. He talks to my friend on facebook and the convention and he told him it wasn't accurate but he didn't have total control and neither did the band. He said he was happy with it as a movie but not as a biopic for Freddie in the means of accuracy. If that makes sense. |
A05 15.11.2018 03:47 |
>Charlies boy wrote: >He said he was happy with it as a movie but not as a biopic for Freddie in the means of accuracy. If that makes sense. I believe Phoebe was trying to be pollite. But what else is required from a biopic, if not accuracy? I think morals in the movie are even worse than what was actually happening in the 80ies with Freddie's need not to voice openly that he is gay. Freddie was delivering his message in his interviews and shows without actually proclaiming "I am gay and proud", and did it gracefully and cool. In the movie his "gay side" is shown as dark force leading him to the worst in his life, to betrayal of his colleagues, to disappointment of his family members. I am terrified that it is possible in 2018. No need to actually PRAISE it, but I believe things were far more complicated for Freddie. I am a heterosexual woman, but even I was offended as Freddie gave me inspiration, freedom, humour, the ability to stand in tough times with a wink or a smile. And part of it came from his accepting his sexuality and being happy with it. |
Charlies boy 15.11.2018 03:56 |
A05 I couldn't agree with you more. I just felt real disappointment in the movie's portrayal of his life and the negative connotations to his homosexuality. My friend John saw it the day after I did and not knowing anything about Freddie he said 'He looked like he wanted that Mary girl back pretty bad. And I don't blame him seeing as all the gays in his life looked like they used and abused him and kept him drugged up." I had to try to explain to him how far from the truth that all was. He also said he didn't know Freddie Mercury was that terribly sad and upset his whole life. 'Didn't he ever have a happy day after Mary?' That movie fell short for me. |
thundergod 15.11.2018 05:12 |
Wow Charlies boy and AO5, I certainly agree with your last thoughts. Our book will set things right! |
thundergod 15.11.2018 05:57 |
A good QZ friend sent me this privately, but I think it needs to be shared with everyone. It gives the feeling of being at a live concert! Visuals are not very interesting but the music is fantastic! link |
Blackvy 15.11.2018 07:43 |
That's great, Thor! It really sounds like a real live concert (by the way, Hi to everyone in this blog/thread!) I've been following this thread since the very beginning and I'm fascinated about all your Freddie's anecdotes, I would like to ask you some questions about him, but maybe another time :) . Also, I agree with Charlies boy and A05 (and with many more!) about the inaccuracies of the movie, I know it's not a biopic, but since it was officially produced and made I expected a reliable and true story. |
Sheldon 15.11.2018 09:10 |
"Also, Charlies boy, This is why our book is so important. It tells the truth about Freddie being very confident and comfortable with his sexual orientation. He never once eyed a female as a possible sexual relationship or was heartsick about Mary...she was a friend, albeit, a very close friend. He certainly did not want her back as a love interest." Could you please clarify his relation with Barbara Valentin? If I remember correctly, she did claim at various occasions that they had a physical relationship, but it has always seemed questionable to me. |
Villiers2 15.11.2018 10:53 |
Barbara's sex claim is absolutely Lesley Ann Jones' most annoying lie. Freddie said it never happened, Peter, Crystal, and Jim. Most importantly, her timeline proves it false. Freddie dated: Joe Fanelli- 1978-1980 Winniefred Kirchenberger (I know I butchered that spelling lol) -1983-1985 Jim Hutton- 1985-1991 Barbara claimed they had sex in 1984 and 85. Freddie was officially diagnosed with AIDS in 1987. He notified Joe, Winnie, and Jim immediately so that they could get tested. He told lovers from as far back as the late 70's, but Barbara herself admitted he hid the diagnosis from her. He didn't tell her he had it and never told her to get tested as he did with the people he did sleep with. "He cut his finger once and screamed at me to stay away from him. He did not tell me he had it." Barbara found out in 1989 that Freddie had it. To believe she and Freddie had a sexual relationship is to believe he willingly hid his diagnosis from a lover and friend, keeping her from finding out about her HIV status. Not only that, but you'd have to believe that from 1975 to 1984, a man who never enjoyed sex with women and never touched one or showed any interest in one those years, suddenly jumps into bed with a heavyset woman with a large chest. With his gay boyfriend. Who was horribly jealous but was somehow ok with sharing Freddie. Doesn't add up. Lesley Ann Jones printed that Barbara sex lie back in the 1990's. She calls herself Freddie's "official biographer" but she's been called out on lies by tons of people close to Freddie over the years, Peter Freestone will no longer work with her and Chris Taylor has gotten blocked by her for asking her why she printed this lie in particular. He asked Freddie himself if they had sex, and Freddie said no. Peter said no. But she printed it anyway. Barbara was also seen on The Untold Story on camera and never once claimed to have been more than a friend. Either Lesley made it up entirety (since now she's claiming to have lived with Barbara- something she never mentioned in her other books in the Barbara chapters), or Barbara knew better than to make those claims on fact checked documentaries. She did act as a beard for the press in the 80s just as Mary did. However, if you've read Peter's book, he talks about Barbara getting caught calling the press and telling them where she and Freddie's group would be each night so that she could get her photo taken holding his hand and make the front page. She was also telling the German press that they were getting married. Which freaked Freddie out and upset him pretty badly. He felt she was taking her beard duties a little too far and trying to gain fame through him, as her fame had long since faded. They remained friends until his death but he stopped asking her to come over at the end, according to Peter. She was never a lover and Lesley is tired as hell for trying that mess. |
Villiers2 15.11.2018 11:04 |
PS I see that Thor and KathLEEN have reached their goal on GoFundMe. I will have to look thru the page and see who qualifies to be in the Freddie LED lamp giveaway for it. Gimme a couple days and I'll update everyone! Best <3 |
MisterCosmicc 15.11.2018 12:09 |
Villiers2 wrote: Barbara's sex claim is absolutely Lesley Ann Jones' most annoying lie. Freddie said it never happened, Peter, Crystal, and Jim. Most importantly, her timeline proves it false. Freddie dated: Joe Fanelli- 1978-1980 Winniefred Kirchenberger (I know I butchered that spelling lol) -1983-1985 Jim Hutton- 1985-1991 Barbara claimed they had sex in 1984 and 85. Freddie was officially diagnosed with AIDS in 1987. He notified Joe, Winnie, and Jim immediately so that they could get tested. He told lovers from as far back as the late 70's, but Barbara herself admitted he hid the diagnosis from her. He didn't tell her he had it and never told her to get tested as he did with the people he did sleep with. "He cut his finger once and screamed at me to stay away from him. He did not tell me he had it." Barbara found out in 1989 that Freddie had it. To believe she and Freddie had a sexual relationship is to believe he willingly hid his diagnosis from a lover and friend, keeping her from finding out about her HIV status. Not only that, but you'd have to believe that from 1975 to 1984, a man who never enjoyed sex with women and never touched one or showed any interest in one those years, suddenly jumps into bed with a heavyset woman with a large chest. With his gay boyfriend. Who was horribly jealous but was somehow ok with sharing Freddie. Doesn't add up. Lesley Ann Jones printed that Barbara sex lie back in the 1990's. She calls herself Freddie's "official biographer" but she's been called out on lies by tons of people close to Freddie over the years, Peter Freestone will no longer work with her and Chris Taylor has gotten blocked by her for asking her why she printed this lie in particular. He asked Freddie himself if they had sex, and Freddie said no. Peter said no. But she printed it anyway. Barbara was also seen on The Untold Story on camera and never once claimed to have been more than a friend. Either Lesley made it up entirety (since now she's claiming to have lived with Barbara- something she never mentioned in her other books in the Barbara chapters), or Barbara knew better than to make those claims on fact checked documentaries. She did act as a beard for the press in the 80s just as Mary did. However, if you've read Peter's book, he talks about Barbara getting caught calling the press and telling them where she and Freddie's group would be each night so that she could get her photo taken holding his hand and make the front page. She was also telling the German press that they were getting married. Which freaked Freddie out and upset him pretty badly. He felt she was taking her beard duties a little too far and trying to gain fame through him, as her fame had long since faded. They remained friends until his death but he stopped asking her to come over at the end, according to Peter. She was never a lover and Lesley is tired as hell for trying that mess.Lesley is a well-known liar, but it's true that Barbara was very much head over heels in love with Freddie! |
Villiers2 15.11.2018 12:24 |
And she may have been in love with him. Mary was in love with him and didn't have sex with him after he came out. Love doesn't equal sex. Especially when that love is between a gay man a straight woman. For Freddie, it was a friendship love. A platonic love. Like he loved Thor and Lee. For Barbara? Well, she wouldn't be the first woman to fall in love with a gay man. Sorry to say but my sympathy doesn't extend very far with her. Let's not forget the sex story wasn't her only lie. She also claimed Freddie strangled her and slammed her skull into a sink "out of jealously". Both things never happened, according to Peter and the stories she told to Lesley just never add up. Idk how much of that was Lesley herself, but Barbara did tell her friends he tried to harm her. And calling the press to show up at clubs so that she could act as his beard for her own benefit? Not the greatest of friends he ever picked. |
MisterCosmicc 15.11.2018 12:27 |
Villiers2 wrote: And she may have been in love with him. Mary was in love with him and didn't have sex with him after he came out. Love doesn't equal sex. Especially when that love is between a gay man a straight woman. For Freddie, it was a friendship love. A platonic love. Like he loved Thor and Lee. For Barbara? Well, she wouldn't be the first woman to fall in love with a gay man. Sorry to say but my sympathy doesn't extend very far with her. Let's not forget the sex story wasn't her only lie. She also claimed Freddie strangled her and slammed her skull into a sink "out of jealously". Both things never happened, according to Peter and the stories she told to Lesley just never add up. Idk how much of that was Lesley herself, but Barbara did tell her friends he tried to harm her. And calling the press to show up at clubs so that she could act as his beard for her own benefit? Not the greatest of friends he ever picked.I wouldn't believe everything you've read on paper or in books in terms of what Barbara said. Nor would I say it was Barbara in those things doing the storytelling. |
Villiers2 15.11.2018 12:34 |
Actually, the sink meets skull story came from her friend. And the press story came from Peter. Barbara was far from saintly, sorry. Her own son wrote a book and made it clear they were friends but his mom had a fascination with him, apparently. Again, no idea how much was Lesley but she couldn't deny the press or making up the sink thing. Definitely not without sin. |
c.jory 15.11.2018 12:35 |
But still, it's a common myth being spread around by Lesley Ann Jones with no basis in reality and she needs to stop. As soon as the film came out, she did her rounds in the press with the "Freddie's secret women" stories and you've got to wonder what her agenda is there. It's as bad as the "Freddie went clubbing with Diana" thing. There's no point to these stories, he's interesting enough without lies. |
c.jory 15.11.2018 12:37 |
These Barbara things may have been via tabloids, but they were "exclusives" in which she contacted them. Furthermore, Freddie himself temporarily fell out with her for this very reason: she went to the press and lied and he knew it. If the man himself thought she pulled those stunts, then we're probably correct. |
MisterCosmicc 15.11.2018 12:40 |
c.jory wrote: But still, it's a common myth being spread around by Lesley Ann Jones with no basis in reality and she needs to stop. As soon as the film came out, she did her rounds in the press with the "Freddie's secret women" stories and you've got to wonder what her agenda is there. It's as bad as the "Freddie went clubbing with Diana" thing. There's no point to these stories, he's interesting enough without lies.Yeah, Lesley has told the press that the film overlooks Barbara, that she was the love of his life, etc... crazy. |
c.jory 15.11.2018 12:42 |
Exactly, their initial friendship only lasted from 83 to 85, not in the same league as his friendship with Mary. In before someone says "but there are photos of them post 87!" they made up. But they weren't as close as before and their friendship is insignificant compared to most others he had. |
Villiers2 15.11.2018 12:42 |
"There's no point to these stories, he's interesting enough without lies." This! LAJ rode the movie wave and came in with yet another article Crystal tore apart. She now claims not only was Freddie into women (yeah right) but he "sniffed the bicycle seats the naked females riders sat on for the 'Fat Bottomed Girls' video. Amazing, as Fred and the boys weren't even in the same country while the video was being recorded. I assume he had to have the seats wrapped in plastic and sent to him in France to hold in the scent then, Les. Lmao so tell us Thor, how often did ol' Fred get the craving to sniff a lady's undercarriage? Lol omg. |
Katydyd5 15.11.2018 13:10 |
You are right Thor, we are seeing a lot of new people these days and I like that. I may not agree with them all, but the increased interest in all things Freddie and Queen is wonderful to see. I've been to the movie twice now, both times with friend familiar with the music and little else. They both came out with lots of questions that I was happy to answer. Both have also spent a lot of time on Google and YouTube finding out as much as they can. Villiers, I agree with you concerning both Barbara and Lesley Ann Jones. Poor Rainbow had to endure a recent rant from me in email about LAJ. I'm not going to get started here, but I would never read one single word she's written. |
Katydyd5 15.11.2018 13:23 |
A few minutes later and while I wouldn't read a book by Jones, apparently I will look at her FB page. Sickening. Worse yet, all of the people following her and eating up every bit she posts. |
A05 16.11.2018 02:27 |
>Yeah, Lesley has told the press that the film overlooks Barbara, >that she was the love of his life, etc... crazy. I prefer to see it that way - from what I've read in numerous books about Queen and Freddie, and a number of documentaries, EVERY person Freddie EVER was with, deems he or she was the love of his life. And tells that "ok there was Jim,Mary, David, Winnie, but I was the real love of his life" (Barbara's version). Then "There were male lovers, but I, Mary, am the most important person, he trusted me with his house and ashes and legacy..." "Ok, Mary was a long-time girlfriend, but I, Jim, was the one who cared about him till the end. He called himself a hubby." "Ok, I was the first ever his man love, he lusted for me, and here is a telegram from "hubby" to David Minns." May be he just had too much love for this world...the love (whether with sex or without) he shared with each of those people was more than anything they ever experienced. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 03:46 |
Ahhh...Villiers2 How about NEVER, not even once! |
thundergod 16.11.2018 03:50 |
Hey Sheldon, I wish I could tell you, but the Germany days were marked only by a few phone calls. He never mentioned Barbara, but I can imagine he had the need for another beard.to ward off the press. |
Villiers2 16.11.2018 03:56 |
I actually always found Jim to be really humble. I don't recall anything he said that claimed he was the one and only for Freddie. Although I did see a letter from Freddie to him saying he made him the happiest he'd ever been, and he did say on record Jim was the niche he'd been looking for all his life. If anyone put the "great love" title on Jim, it was Freddie imo. And as much as I don't dig Mary, I don't think she ever made that claim either. The Mary thing has been pushed in docs for years now but admittedly, I don't remember Mary ever actually saying she was the love of his life and knew him better than anyone etc. That usually comes from Brian May, strangely enough. He seems a bit hooked on Mary. Mary actually said she had no idea how Freddie felt about her over the years because he never told her. She said she found his feelings out through interviews when he mentioned her. I get the feeling it was a friendship but not as soul-binding as the media and Brian wants people to believe. No doubt they were close, but he hid alot of himself from her even after he came out. Barbara is really the only one (and again, idk how much of this was LAJ) that I can remember ever claiming was the love of his life or he was hers. And from all accounts, Freddie saw her as a friend and nothing more. 99% of her stories in print are false. I have to wonder how much of it was made up in her own head. She didn't seem very stable. David I found to be refreshingly honest. He didn't sugar coat Freddie's nasty side, and yes Freddie did send them those letters and call him hubby too. Freddie did proclaim himself that David was a major love for him. So I can't really blame Minns for giving off that vibe. Jim and David, yeah, genuinely lovers and romantically loved by Freddie. Mary, very much a motherly, sisterly, close friendship. And Barbara seemed to be a friendship that he had outgrown well before his passing. At least, that's the feeling I got from Peter Freestone. There I go on another rant after I told myself I wouldn't anymore (nobody caaaaares) lmao sorry! |
thundergod 16.11.2018 03:57 |
Hi C.Jory, You mean that woman is still around spreading her lies about Freddie\? Bless her nasty heart! She feels that she was an important part of Freddie's life. Dementia tends to do that. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 04:01 |
Mister Cosmic...So BARBARA was the true love of his life. I wonder if she started a lawsuit |
thundergod 16.11.2018 04:04 |
against Mary.when we all know, Barbara certainly deserved the inheritance. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 04:21 |
Viliiers2, I love when you participate here. You have great knowledge about most of the stories fact and fiction! Please keep it up. You are very valuable to this site! Your friends, Thor and Lee |
Villiers2 16.11.2018 04:22 |
Lmao there's this girl who obsesses over a relationship Freddie and Barbara never had. She's spent thousands of dollars buying unreleased photos (at public events where they had to kiss for the cameras or hold hands) and she claims it's "solid proof they were lovers. Freddie's friends just wanted him to be as gay as they were. He had to hide his women." When you explain the timeline to her and prove they never had a sexual relationship, she blocks you and rants about how nasty his gay friends were. Shame on you Thor, nasty boy lmao. She's even gone after Peter claiming he didn't live with Freddie and didn't know Freddie's love for the female body. His intense desire for Barbara's tonka truck bod must be why he left her entirely out of the will and denied having sex with her. He was mad with lust. Dense! |
Villiers2 16.11.2018 04:23 |
Aw, thanks Thor. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 04:31 |
Well, Viliers2, I must say that in keeping with our renewed policy to keep this a fun and truthful site. We should not body-shame, or we're no better than Donald Trump. But, I get what you were saying, I just don't want any of the good people here, even if they are heavy-set, not to shy away. I just lost 7 lbs, to my doctor's delight, but that was over a year,' and in my mind, that is not good enough. I need to lose about 40 more. Hey Villiers2, I did not mean to scold you...just keep you out of trouble, just as any friend would. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 04:32 |
sorry.."to shy away" |
Villiers2 16.11.2018 04:33 |
No no, you're right lol. I knew it was naughty when I typed it out! Whoops |
thundergod 16.11.2018 04:36 |
You are forgiven, my friend. :) |
Villiers2 16.11.2018 04:44 |
;) |
thundergod 16.11.2018 04:50 |
Hello AO5, I liked your reply. I think you hit the nail on the head. |
Charlies boy 16.11.2018 05:04 |
Did I see you mention Freddie flying out a friend of yours from Arizona or Texas? Did Freddie spend much time in the south then? I'm picturing BBQs for some reason. Forgive me but I was also shocked to read earlier in your thread that Freddie went out on a date with a man before anything happened between them. I haven't read as much as some others obviously have but I had the feeling most of his nights involved finding a man and rarely getting to know them if you know what I mean. It's nice to hear he did give some guys a chance to get to know him. |
Charlies boy 16.11.2018 05:14 |
Sorry if you have answered this already but when you stayed over at Freddie's where did you stay? Did he put you guys up at a hotel or invite you to stay at the house? I understand there is an adjoining property next to his main house but I'm not sure if he owned it back then? |
thundergod 16.11.2018 06:00 |
Hey Charlies boy, In New York, we didn't stay overnight at Freddie's. We all lived in Manhattan and even that snowstorm I mentioned stopped and then, Lee and I had a fun time playing in the snow close to my apartment on Christopher St., the Mecca of the gay world in the 70's and the 80's. In the book, you will see the snow-bench carved out that Lee and I posed for a picture. In London, Freddie had built a guest quarter that was called "The Mews" based on an old British notion of turning previously built horse stables into rooms. Of course, Freddie built them into luxurious suites with a giant Jacuzzi smack in the middle. You will also see a picture of that. |
A05 16.11.2018 09:19 |
>>There I go on another rant after I told myself I wouldn't anymore (nobody caaaaares) lmao sorry! Villiers2, it is not a rant, it is a piece of valuable observation going into detail. Thank you. I was trying to say that of course, while Mary is a bit puzzled about "why am I given this large role now" and Jim is humble and Barbara obnoxious and David Miins extremely honest in a manly way, can we actually say that ANY of these people áre Freddie's "Love of his life"? I think this is to remain mystery... And thank you for mentioning about Brian's wanting Mary to be "Love of Freddie's Life". I haven't noticed it before. In Freddie's "Time" interview with Dave Clark in the beginning they exchange niceties and Dave Clark says something like "A girlfriend of mine in Germany..." and then Freddie goes "She is a girlfriend of mine too. We share". There will always be people who do not get the humour of it and will go "Freddie loves his threesome with Dave Clark ". Thor, thank you, this is really appreciated. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 17:10 |
Hi Charlies boy- I realized that I missed your other question, so here it goes. Freddy flew my date from Houston in order to cheer me up one weekend when I was feeling a bit down. That happened the day before the snow party at Freddie's house. The second time was a date I found, in Phoenix, working as a bartender in a gay bar, However, this arrangement was for Freddie. As it turned out, Freddie's date from San Francisco turned up after a spat with Freddie. Therefore, I was left with the job of entertaining this hot guy - a very easy task. I took him off his job as a bartender (with the manager's permission). This was the end of our day trip to Phoenix and then back to Los Angeles. Freddie allowed him to come on board the Lisa Marie private jet (leased for the American portion of the Queen '82 tour) and reimbursed me for his return home ticket the next day which I did not even ask for. Generosity and fun - that was so Freddie... |
thundergod 16.11.2018 17:11 |
Thank YOU AO5 for joining our discussion. |
Blackvy 16.11.2018 19:15 |
thundergod wrote: Hey Charlies boy, In New York, we didn't stay overnight at Freddie's. We all lived in Manhattan and even that snowstorm I mentioned stopped and then, Lee and I had a fun time playing in the snow close to my apartment on Christopher St., the Mecca of the gay world in the 70's and the 80's. In the book, you will see the snow-bench carved out that Lee and I posed for a picture. In London, Freddie had built a guest quarter that was called "The Mews" based on an old British notion of turning previously built horse stables into rooms. Of course, Freddie built them into luxurious suites with a giant Jacuzzi smack in the middle. You will also see a picture of that.I can't wait to see those pictures Thor!. Any idea when will the book be released? |
c.jory 16.11.2018 20:42 |
A05 wrote: In Freddie's "Time" interview with Dave Clark in the beginning they exchange niceties and Dave Clark says something like "A girlfriend of mine in Germany..." and then Freddie goes "She is a girlfriend of mine too. We share". There will always be people who do not get the humour of it and will go "Freddie loves his threesome with Dave Clark ".^ the above! I saw that video and as a logical person, I know Freddie's just mucking around but out there, you know there are people screaming with joy at that about "bisexual proof" and waving bi flags around hehe |
c.jory 16.11.2018 20:46 |
Oh and to Thor...yes LAJ is still around lying. In the week the film was released in the UK, she did the rounds in the press, claiming he was addicted to women. Addicted. TO WOMEN. Alrighty then Lesley. If ya say so. It wouldn't be so bad if people didn't believe it. Some areas of social media are once again at war over Freddie's sexuality so I've chosen to stay away. I know I've said it before, but can't wait for the book. It will be nice to see him having the good times that weren't portrayed in BR. Gay men in that were just draped about like furniture with no dialogue. |
Rainbow61 16.11.2018 21:35 |
Hi Thor, Did you, Lee, Freddie, and the guys ever talk about vacationing together? Maybe jetting down to the Caribbean or going to Rome or Paris or some other fabulous spot? I imagine schedule-wise, that would have been quite a challenge. On a completely unrelated note, did Freddie ever send you a card or call on your birthday once he left NYC? Did you guys contact him on his birthday after he moved away? Just out of curiosity, how do you usually celebrate your birthday, or Lee's, these days? I love birthdays....do not get why people don't want to have them...the alternative is not good! |
thundergod 16.11.2018 21:47 |
Wow blackvy, I only wish I knew the answer as to when the book will be available. Yesterday I sent a few "update" messages to remind these publishers that we are still here. They take so long. They claim that they are swamped with material and answer them in order of when it was received. Please be patient with the final date. Lee and I have had to be. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 22:07 |
Hey C.Jory, thank you, my thoughts exactly. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 22:11 |
Hi Rainbow, Freddie loved birthdays as well. Lee and I (and previously Joe and John) got birthday cards for EVERY birthday. Many of the messages will appear on the book's inside cover. |
thundergod 16.11.2018 22:24 |
Also Rainbow, As you guessed, blending of our time schedules was quite difficult We settled for 2-3 day trips like Montreal, Chicago, Houston and all over California during his 1982 American Tour. Anything longer depended on our vacation time available, which, again did not always work out. But the 3-day outings were absolutely memorable and joy-filled. I did a lot of foreign travel after 1985, but unfortunately, not with Freddie. All over Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the Amazon River in Equador, among other locations. |
Rainbow61 16.11.2018 23:21 |
Thor, All that traveling sounds grand! I love to travel...but haven't done much outside the continental US. I went to Ireland for the first time this past September. It was my first trip to Europe. Admittedly, I don't have a lot of travel experience, but the Irish folk I met while on vacation were among the friendliest and nicest people I have EVER met...not to mention that Ireland is stunningly beautiful. I hope to return to that lovely island one day. So how did those 2-3 day trips get arranged...did Freddie unexpectedly call you up and ask you to join him, making it a spontaneous adventure...or did you know in advance you would be seeing him in these various cities throughout the 1982 tour? |
Blackvy 16.11.2018 23:27 |
Thank you for your response, Thor! I'm very excited for the book. I hope the publishers wouldn't take that long, but I'll be patient :) |
thundergod 17.11.2018 00:28 |
Hello again Rainbow, Except for the '82 American portion of the Queen tour, you guessed it, spontaneous decisions by Freddie to include us. Most trips, of course, were geared toward concerts outside of the normal tour schedule. Montreal, Russian River (1 hour outside of San Francisco) and Chicago were like that...last minute. Houston was a quick decision when Freddie said, "Girls, we need a holiday! That trip was not coordinated with a concert. Dear Phoebe took care of all the reservations and limousines. |
Rainbow61 17.11.2018 01:04 |
Thor, This is the Freddie that was missing from the movie. Thank you for showing us his happier side. |
Katydyd5 17.11.2018 02:14 |
In Phoebe's book he mentions that Freddie loved sending cards for birthdays. Then in his discussion about the movie he says that Freddie always carried his birthday book with him in his leather shoulder bag. I find that really endearing. Since you are including some of the messages as part of your book Thor, I guess you kept the cards. Every once in a while a card will show up on social media and it makes me wonder how many of them are floating around out there and how many were thrown out at some point. Peter Hince shared a Christmas card from Freddie in a recent televised interview, and I suppose some of those are out there too. I had also read that he enjoyed writing letters or post cards when he was on tour in the early years. My guess is a lot of people out there are kicking themselves now for discarding cards or letters that would have great sentimental value now, or perhaps even monetary value. I can tell you that if I had ever had any written communication from Freddie, it would be framed and hanging on the wall! |
thundergod 17.11.2018 02:23 |
Ha, Ha Katydyd, Both Lee and I have many Birthday and Christmas cards from Freddie. After they are copied for the book, I will take your advice and frame one of them. Thanks for that idea! |
Villiers2 17.11.2018 03:57 |
PM'd ya, Thor |
thundergod 17.11.2018 04:03 |
Yes, but that PM was eaten by QueenZone...could you please send it again? |
Villiers2 17.11.2018 04:10 |
Done. Hope it works this time lol |
thundergod 17.11.2018 04:14 |
It did indeed. |
Villiers2 17.11.2018 04:22 |
Just saw your reply and I have to admit, I got misty eyed lol. I replied. Hope it got to you. Much much love. |
thundergod 17.11.2018 06:01 |
This was given to me by a QZ friend. It is a bit controversial but I think it is a good article for all gay people. Some may not agree with the content, but I think it is very close to some of my own reviews of Bohemian Rhapsody.. By the way, it also gives added weight to the absolute need for our book, to set the record straight (no pun intended). link |
Villiers2 17.11.2018 07:38 |
It's like they read our minds with that article. Glad to see the few people on this thread aren't the only ones to have done some research. Although, the Diana in the gay club thing isn't true. The rest is pretty close to what we have been saying here. Interesting! |
Blackvy 17.11.2018 08:45 |
Interesting article, thanks for sharing! |
c.jory 17.11.2018 17:47 |
I agree with this line in particular: "Bohemian Rhapsody is a movie that consciously tries to position a gay man at its center while strategically disengaging with the “gay” part as much as it can, flitting briefly over his emotional and sexual experiences and fixating on his platonic relationship with an ex-girlfriend instead. It strips Mercury of a part of his identity that was as vital to his success " |
Villiers2 17.11.2018 21:40 |
C.jory, this! My cousin went with me to see it and she said "this felt like a Mary Austin movie with cameo appearances from Freddie Mercury." It did feel like Mary was too much of the focus for too long in the movie, imo. Idk maybe they had other (better) scenes that focused more on the positive aspects of his gay life and just....cut them at the last second? The whole thing felt sort of rushed, imo. Chris Taylor (Roger's roadie and Freddie's friend) said he felt it was so poorly done that he got the feeling FOX told them to either put it out now or scrap it. Ten years in the making and it kept dragging on. He said Mike Moran (another friend to Freddie) agreed. Seems like most who knew him didn't feel it did him justice. |
thundergod 17.11.2018 23:00 |
Well, it seems as if I am receiving a treasure chest of interesting articles about "Bohemian Rhapsody." Try this one out, and thank you QZ friends. link |
Katydyd5 18.11.2018 00:12 |
I agree with this article. I would like to have seen more of Freddie's personal life. But then again, I'm obsessed. I wonder if so much was left out because the movie needed to appeal to many who knew little more than Queen's music. This way they got an overview, even though it was flawed. The teacher in me has enjoyed going with friends who knew little and being able to share what I know. I'm impressed that Rami is still researching and learning more. All of my friends who have gone have come home and started with Google and YouTube and are still learning. The movie sticks with you, whether you liked it or not. The first time I saw it I was so jazzed I could hardly sleep that night. |
Anniebee 19.11.2018 00:36 |
Hi Everyone! New to this forum and new-ish to learning all I can about Freddie Mercury (thank you internet!). That being said, I took my 13 year old daughter to see Bohemian Rhapsody and while we both enjoyed the movie, after spending a lot of my time researching Freddie and Queen, I’ve realized that there are few trusted sources of information out there. So I’d like to say to Thor, thank you for being one of those. (Phoebe being the other go to). I still have the majority of this thread and the previous one to peruse of course. ?? It’s nice learning about Freddie from you guys, he really was genuine and wonderful and someone who I would have loved to call a friend. I remember when I was younger, watching SNL reruns and Queen’s performance of Crazy Little Thing Called Love came on, being mesmerized by him then; but of course being in America my tastes ran more along the lines of Guns ‘n’ Roses at that time. So now I get to share Queen with my daughters and hopefully share truer stories than most about Freddie with them. Hopefully they’ll do the same with their kids, I don’t see his music going away anytime soon! |
Blenkolove 19.11.2018 02:09 |
Welcome Anniebee!!! Warning: Be Prepared.......I have been on a three year intensive journey to learn ALL THINGS FREDDIE.....(my initial thanks goes to: Amazon!....) and no matter how much I consume, how much i learn......i still want MORE!!!! I have 'introduced' my grandaughter (she's 5) to the Magic of Freddie and Queen!! She knows much of Freddie's catalogue!!! Like you, I believe Freddie will be relevant for decades, if not centuries!!! Thor, Lee, Phoebe....are awesome sources and thank goodness they willingly share with us fans!! But I would LOVE to know Mary's perspective, Jim Beach, David Wigg. Even after all I've read, and now the movie.......i get the feeling that even Brian, Roger, and John Didn't REALLY KNOW Freddie. Sure, they knew Freddie the musician, the ultimate showman....but I don't think they really knew him outside of that???????? ...........i might be wrong..... |
Anniebee 19.11.2018 23:51 |
Thank you Blenkolove for the kind welcome! (And warning, HA!) I wonder also how much the band really knew Freddie, but I would assume that as much time as they spent together throughout the years maybe they knew him more than you think? Also, thank you Lee for sharing your stories as well, I'm glad you all have found a place where you feel comfortable doing so. Question for everyone, mustache or no? I have heard a lot of people didn't like Freddie in a mustache, but I think it was one of my favorite looks. :) Thor, are you still in the medical field? I do vascular ultrasound, it's nice to meet others with medical backgrounds. I think that's all for now, lol |
Rainbow61 20.11.2018 01:06 |
Hi Thor, What are you doing for Thanksgiving...making a big turkey dinner for friends? :) I don't recall reading anything specifically about Freddie celebrating Thanksgiving in the US. In one of Peter Freestone's "Ask Phoebe" columns, he did say there were a few times when Freddie had a big traditional Thanksgiving dinner prepared for friends. I don't know if he meant while Freddie was in the US or if that was something he did for American friends who might have been in London at the time. Queen played at the Montreal Forum on November 24 and 25 in 1981. That was the concert that was filmed. The next day would have been Thanksgiving, so Freddie could have easily flown back to NYC for the holiday Can you shed any light on that? Did you ever celebrate Thanksgiving with Freddie? Very happy to see all the new people on this site. Welcome one and all! |
thundergod 20.11.2018 01:29 |
Hello Anniebee, I would also like to welcome you to our (and now, your) site! Now, MY warning to you - we are mostly filled with wonderfully kind and friendly people. They/We are the sort of people that have bonded over our mutual respect and devoted love of Freddie Mercury and Queen. Friendships are naturally formed here. If you don't want more great people on your friend's list, then turn away from this site. So far, I'm thinking you can handle it! Welcome friend. Thor and on behalf of Lee. |
Katydyd5 20.11.2018 01:38 |
I'd like to add my welcome to the newbies. I read this thread for a long time before I couldn't resist and created a name and jumped in. Lots of fun and knowledgeable people here, so I think you will enjoy! I've made several good friends as a result of this group, and that was an added bonus. Sharing with Thor and Lee is incredible. Glad to have you on board. |
thundergod 20.11.2018 01:41 |
Hey Rainbow, On Wednesday morning I am driving to Palm Springs to enjoy the Holiday with Lee and a few other friends. I will be taking a short break from replies. I should be back at my computer by Monday evening. Actually, we never celebrated Thanksgiving with Freddie. All of our parents were still alive, so Thanksgiving was left as a (related to) family day. Now, if you want to talk about Christmas, our second family spent it together twice and a great time was had by all! |
thundergod 20.11.2018 01:43 |
Katydyd...you stole the words right out of my mouth!...LOL |
Katydyd5 20.11.2018 01:57 |
LOL, Thor, actually I did but wanted to repeat the sentiment. Have a great Thanksgiving. We celebrate it on Wednesday and I love that. I can just relax Thursday, watch the Macy's parade and then the dog show. I lead a simple life. |
thundergod 20.11.2018 02:00 |
That sound like a great way to celebrate Thanksgiving! |
thundergod 20.11.2018 02:01 |
sound should read sounds...dah! |
Anniebee 20.11.2018 02:34 |
Thank you everyone! I look forward to bonding over Freddie and Queen with new friends! Thor, have a great Thanksgiving with Lee and friends in Palm Springs! Katydyd5, have a great Thanksgiving on Wednesday! :) Unfortunately for me I have to be on call at the hospital so Thanksgiving will have to wait until the weekend. |
thundergod 20.11.2018 02:55 |
Oh, Anniebee, I forgot to answer one of your questions above. I let my RN license become non-active last March. I could get it activated again if I wish, but wow, retirement is the bomb! :) |
FreddieDarling 20.11.2018 11:10 |
Hi Thor, I'm thrilled that you have reached your target for your book. I'm so looking forward to it to be released. Hard to believe that in a few days it will be 27 years since we lost our lovely Freddie! I'll bet he'd be amazed that he is still loved and adored and a source of neverending fascination all these years later. Re the movie, I loved the Live Aid scene but my hackles rise many times over the way Freddie's personality and personal life were depicted. I'm surprised by Brian, Roger and Jim Beach's agreeing to see their friend and colleague shown in this false way. Nobody claims Freddie was perfect. Which of us is? But to blatantly lie about his reaction to other people, his supposed extreme loneliness (if he's lived all alone in Garden Lodge, the man would have starved!) and the way his solo venture was shown as breaking up Queen! Totally unnecessary for the plot, in my opinion. I've "corrected" as many people as I can as to Freddie's true character as I know it from reliable sources (Phoebe and yourselves!) to try to preserve his good name. Loving your thread Thor and Lee! And enjoy most people's comments and questions. Take Care to you all. Kind Regards |
Villiers2 20.11.2018 13:09 |
"if he's lived all alone in Garden Lodge, the man would have starved!" Lol cracking up! That's true, too. Poor guy was absolutely useless in the kitchen and the way Peter talked about it, he couldn't boil an egg. Makes me think of the Winnie story Peter mentioned in his book- Winnie (not giving a shit who Freddie was) told him to vacuum the floors in his restaurant, and surprisingly, Freddie did it. A little chore for the King lol. Peter seemed shocked Freddie agreed to do it...and didn't burn the place down in an electrical fire in the process lol. Outside of 5 minutes of any chore, I doubt he would have stuck to. Apparently once Freddie and Jim got into it about something or other and Jim stormed out for a walk. Freddie grabbed some gloves and a shovel and went outside to garden yelling "I'll show him. I'm NOT useless!". Peter said he went to gardening for a couple minutes before turning the shovel over to Peter and telling him to finish lmao. Jim came back and if I recall, found Freddie in his oversized gardening clothes and cracked up. Those two sounded like a certified old married couple! |
Villiers2 20.11.2018 13:09 |
"if he's lived all alone in Garden Lodge, the man would have starved!" Lol cracking up! That's true, too. Poor guy was absolutely useless in the kitchen and the way Peter talked about it, he couldn't boil an egg. Makes me think of the Winnie story Peter mentioned in his book- Winnie (not giving a shit who Freddie was) told him to vacuum the floors in his restaurant, and surprisingly, Freddie did it. A little chore for the King lol. Peter seemed shocked Freddie agreed to do it...and didn't burn the place down in an electrical fire in the process lol. Outside of 5 minutes of any chore, I doubt he would have stuck to. Apparently once Freddie and Jim got into it about something or other and Jim stormed out for a walk. Freddie grabbed some gloves and a shovel and went outside to garden yelling "I'll show him. I'm NOT useless!". Peter said he went to gardening for a couple minutes before turning the shovel over to Peter and telling him to finish lmao. Jim came back and if I recall, found Freddie in his oversized gardening clothes and cracked up. Those two sounded like a certified old married couple! |
Villiers2 20.11.2018 13:10 |
Omg. I forgot the double post rule. Never click the submit button more than once. No matter how long QZ takes to load, sheesh. |
Queeninlove 20.11.2018 18:37 |
Hi Guys! I'm new in the forum and i'm an italian fan of Queen. It's incredible to have here Freddie's best friends and to talk with them about their amazing moments of life with him. Ciao Thor and Lee! I'm so curious to know the Christmas adventures with Freddie. I know that Freddie was so generous and gave presents for all his friends and family. Sorry for my english but i'm working progress... |
thundergod 20.11.2018 19:55 |
Welcome queeninlove, So happy to have you join our thread. Siamo tutti felici di incontrarvi Your English is fine! Ci sono molti nuovi amici da fare qui My Italian comes from Google...lol Cheers, Thor |
Anniebee 20.11.2018 20:46 |
OMG I just spent some time reading through this thread so as not to repeat any questions and was taken on one hell of a roller coaster ride! Thor and Lee, I can’t wait to see YOUR pictures and hear YOUR stories in the book. I will be donating very soon. As for the movie, how did y’all feel about the “truck stop” scene, it seemed so tacky. Also I am super glad that Sasha Baron Cohen did not play Freddie, just no. Happy Thanksgiving week! Enjoy! |
Villiers2 20.11.2018 21:12 |
The guy "Freddie" was eyeing up was Adam Lambert in the worst wig I've ever seen lol. According to some article online (so who knows how accurate that is) he wanted to play Freddie's lover, originally. Not Jim but another boyfriend or short term love interest. Instead, they got him in a scruffy mustache and messy wigg for that scene. My cousin learned in and whispered "Freddie pulled a George Michael??? Following a guy in a public bathroom for a..." I told her no. I think the movie meant for the audience to see him thinking about it or wanting it but not acting on it. But I'm sure it was just meant to show his desire for men and not literally mean he enjoyed a bathroom fling lol. |
thundergod 20.11.2018 21:44 |
You are correct Villiers, Freddie was not one to pursue the "tea-room" scene in America nor was he, as they call it in the UK, a fan of "cottaging" |
thundergod 20.11.2018 21:48 |
They could have achieved the same result if they just had Freddie "checking out" some nicer looking man, which he did frequently without remorse or self-hatred. |
Anniebee 20.11.2018 22:02 |
Thor, my thoughts exactly! They could have had him checking out any guy anywhere. To me it gave the impression that he followed the guy into the bathroom. And all I could think was that no matter how crazy his partying lifestyle was he was too classy for that. |
thundergod 20.11.2018 22:06 |
Anniebee, He was indeed. AND, he had much better taste in men! |
FreddieDarling 20.11.2018 22:42 |
Hi folks, I found many little moments in this film reprehensible when I was fairly sure that it did not reflect the REAL Freddie! I think the departed deserve even more of our respective in this manner i.e. not manufacturing details about their lives for public consumption, than do the living, as they cannot defend themselves against libel or slander! Freddie was a fascinating creature n his own right! Embellishments and untruths were not necessary Sorry to harp on, but disrespect is a pet hate of mine. |
FreddieDarling 20.11.2018 22:43 |
Respect NOT respective ! *sigh* |
Villiers2 20.11.2018 23:00 |
Well said, Thor |
thundergod 20.11.2018 23:00 |
FreddieDarling, I agree with your comment that Freddie is fascinating without the need for any embellishment. Our book certainly highlights this. |
Anniebee 20.11.2018 23:08 |
Could someone please either post the go fund me link again or let me know which page it’s on? Thank you in advance! |
Anniebee 20.11.2018 23:32 |
Never mind! Found it on page 46. link If anyone else needs it here it is. |
FreddieDarling 20.11.2018 23:34 |
Thank you, Thor. I am very much looking forward to your book. Really need something to look forward to! Life has been a real rollercoaster lately! |
FreddieDarling 20.11.2018 23:35 |
Oops posted before finished King people d Regards Nicola |
FreddieDarling 20.11.2018 23:37 |
Bleeding typos! Grrr ! :-(. why are my messages always full of typos ? |
Rainbow61 21.11.2018 00:54 |
Hi Thor, Thought I would squeeze in a simple question before you left...What Queen songs did you most enjoy hearing Freddie sing when you attended his concerts? Sadly, I never saw him perform live, thus my picks are limited to what I've seen in concert videos. I don't think I could select a favorite Queen song...but overall, I really enjoy the 70's stuff. Not necessarily the songs that charted, but things like "March of the Black Queen" "White Queen" and "The Prophets Song" are amazing. |
Anniebee 21.11.2018 01:10 |
Thor, I have a question about concerts too. Of the ones you went to, were there opening bands or was it all Queen? Did Freddie go to and/or take y’all to other bands concerts? |
thundergod 21.11.2018 01:17 |
Hey Rainbow, That's a hard question because I became real tuned in to the Queen songs of the '80s and so they get my vote, basically the entire Live Aid songs. Early Queen I find wonderful but I don't tend to hum those tunes...they were rocky while I was discoish (forgive me). The later songs (other than the solo adventures) made me happy but as time went on, made me choke-up because I knew Freddie's fate. "These are the Days of Our Lives" in particular and I get goose-bumps every time I listen to it and look at Freddie's courage in this last effort. Oh my God, I just shed a tear writing this. |
thundergod 21.11.2018 01:19 |
All...I must close for now. I will personally bring Lee your holiday wishes. I will be back for sure by Tues. Nov. 27th. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL (even if you are not American) Love, Thor and Lee |
Mr.Michael 21.11.2018 01:20 |
I find it quite funny to say that Freddie was too classy for some bathrooms. He did after all visit the most notorius clubs in New York and he wasn't there to play some cards. The New York scene feom the 80's is well documented and I find it hard to believe Freddie and his friends just hang around all sitting together at some table? I think it's pretty safe bet that he went to those darkrooms etc. they had in there. |
thundergod 21.11.2018 01:35 |
Clubs and public toilets are different Mr. M and they have been around forever but, The Freddie, I knew met enough people in bars and good clubs like "The Saint." to fill his time. I still miss that place - half dance floor, half planetarium. Freddie was young then, he didn't need servicing by large, older men. If you've been to them, well good for you, but they are not everyone's taste. I would know if Freddie went to these places...they existed in New York for sure. In those days he kept NO secrets from his close friends. Also, Freddie was always chaperoned by Peter Freestone and if you think dear Phoebe would watch the restroom door while Freddie was lusting after old men, you are so wrong. Not all gays want those types of encounters and I am one of them. Leaving all this behind I'd like to get my Thanksgiving mood back...Bye-bye all. |
Rainbow61 21.11.2018 01:59 |
One of the many things I am grateful for this Thanksgiving is that someone named Freddie Mercury blessed this world with his amazing talent. Safe travels to you Thor. Give my best to Lee. |
Mr.Michael 21.11.2018 03:19 |
Oh yes, I forgot it's the fan club and no different views or even theories allowed. Have to remember that next time. First of all no one is even talking about Freddie looking for some grand dads in restrooms. The point is that it's comical to say he was too classy to visit restrooms when he spend several years in the New York clubs. It's like saying someone is too classy to eat at Wendy's, when they eat all the time at the Olive Garden. And to be brutally honest with you, I can think of crazier things than Phoebe watching the restroom door while Freddie was spending his time there. |
Blackvy 21.11.2018 03:33 |
Rainbow61 wrote: One of the many things I am grateful for this Thanksgiving is that someone named Freddie Mercury blessed this world with his amazing talent. Safe travels to you Thor. Give my best to Lee.I second that :) |
Villiers2 21.11.2018 03:45 |
MM I think what Thor meant was, if it ever had happened, they would've known about it. It's not a matter of agreeing with him, but that he would know. Freddie would have showed intrest in it or mentioned it. Thor said "old men" because that's what many of those scenes were in the bathrooms from what I've heard. Liberace's ex Scott talked about it once. He made it sound like the bathroom sex scene was reserved for the older gays. A kink, if you will. Idk if class is the right word. Maybe...preferance. He might have preferred to not have sex in gay club bathrooms. Lord knows he had enough cash to bring whatever guy he fancied back to a beautiful room. Saying he must have had bathroom sex is making an assumption as well and to be fair, no, not all gays are into the same things. I hope this doesn't start WW3. Just trying to show the other side of it. |
Mr.Michael 21.11.2018 04:00 |
Villiers, I'm not really even talking about Freddie going to restrooms or bathrooms. My point is that someone said on the previous page that Freddie was too classy to go there. But he still visited some very, very sleazy clubs in NYC, so I just found it somewhat comical how some like to look at him being too classy to visit a restroom. And he visited those clubs before meeting Thor and co. and it's been mentioned in so many books and articles that he really liked to have his fun in the night time. It's actually not a big deal, just an observation. The restrooms were propably more a thing from the 50's or 60's when they couldn't really meet anywhere else. |
Anniebee 21.11.2018 10:59 |
Hey MrMichael, it was me who made me the classy comment and looking back at it I can see the confusion. Maybe classy was too strong a word and like Villiers said maybe the word preference should have been used. My comment was in the context of “truck stop” bathrooms while on tour. As far as clubs go I’m sure he did a lot of things that would make us all blush. But I was just saying that the truck stop scene was unnecessary for its point that he is into guys to be made. |
Rainbow61 24.11.2018 05:03 |
To that beautiful “Shooting Star leaping through the sky”. Twenty-seven years gone…yet you still burn as brightly as ever. Freddie, you are loved and missed. |
Blackvy 24.11.2018 06:17 |
Those are lovely words Rainbow, and yes, He's really loved and terribly missed! |
Katydyd5 24.11.2018 13:37 |
I'm right with you Rainbow. I feel lucky to have been alive during the time he was with us, and so happy to see that his legend lives on. |
Anniebee 24.11.2018 13:59 |
Great sentiments Rainbow! Lee and Thor, you two are in our hearts today. This poem seemed fitting: You can shed tears that he is gone Or you can smile because he has lived You can close your eyes and pray that he will come back Or you can open your eyes and see all that he has left Your heart can be empty because you can’t see him Or you can be full of the love that you shared You can turn your back on tomorrow and live yesterday Or you can be happy for tomorrow because of yesterday You can remember him and only that he is gone Or you can cherish his memory and let it live on You can cry and close your mind, be empty and turn your back Or you can do what he would want: smile, open your eyes, love and go on. David Harkin (1959 – ) <3 |
Catus 24.11.2018 14:17 |
Dear Thor and Lee, I just wanted to say that I will be thinking of you both today - as well as all other people that knew and loved Freddie. He will always be in my heart. |
Rainbow61 24.11.2018 14:59 |
Lovely poem Anniebee...thanks for sharing. I'm sure there are many who will find those words comforting for their own losses they are dealing with. |
Blackvy 24.11.2018 18:08 |
Anniebee wrote: Great sentiments Rainbow! Lee and Thor, you two are in our hearts today. This poem seemed fitting: You can shed tears that he is gone Or you can smile because he has lived You can close your eyes and pray that he will come back Or you can open your eyes and see all that he has left Your heart can be empty because you can’t see him Or you can be full of the love that you shared You can turn your back on tomorrow and live yesterday Or you can be happy for tomorrow because of yesterday You can remember him and only that he is gone Or you can cherish his memory and let it live on You can cry and close your mind, be empty and turn your back Or you can do what he would want: smile, open your eyes, love and go on. David Harkin (1959 – ) <3Beautiful poem :,) |
FreddieDarling 24.11.2018 18:26 |
Rest peacefully (or "have a ball") lovely Freddie. We love and miss you always, thank you for the wonderful legacy you left us. You are still the legend you always were and will be cherished and appreciated forever. Love Ya, Freddie! |
queenbuzz 26.11.2018 03:47 |
Thor, Just wanted to check on you to ask how your Thanksgiving was with Lee? Thinking about you both ! |
Sheldon 28.11.2018 09:21 |
I find it really interesting how there are three very separate schools of talking about Freddie's personal life. 1) Bisexual (mostly by the band and real friends): Mary was extremely important, had sex with many women, ended up being dragged into a bad world of irresponsible gay sex and partying 2) Gay (everything in this thread by real friends): lived a "decent" life with a "reasonable" amount of sexual partners, was definitely not bisexual, longed for a normal romantic relationship, did not enjoy the darkrooms etc. 3) Gay sex addict (mostly by non-friend gays, the tabloids and some comments by the man himself): did everything with everyone, did everything possible that could be done to the human body, frequented darkrooms, had sex with hundreds of men (making guessing who gave him AIDS absolutely pointless) |
Villiers2 28.11.2018 23:09 |
The band and "reel friends" haven't called him bisexual. They've all called him gay. "He had girls in the early days but freddie never seemed truly happy until he started living as a gay man"- Brian. I don't know anyone who knew Freddie who ever claimed he slept with tons of women lol. Have you seen The Untold Story? Exactly the opposite, actually. But I have a sinking feeling this is a trolling attempt again so I'll just leave it there. This thread and Thor are far from the only people saying he was gay. Freddie seemed to be under the impression he was gay as well. |
Villiers2 28.11.2018 23:09 |
Oop "real"*, sorey |
Villiers2 28.11.2018 23:10 |
Lmao fuck, "sorRy"* |
thundergod 28.11.2018 23:30 |
I am back from Palm Springs, one day late. I will let Lee tell you the story why. He promised to soon make an overdue reappearance on this thread! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.11.2018 00:48 |
Well...Helloooooooo He’s baaack. I have been workin’, workin’, workin’. My travel habit continues, and those airline tickets don’t pay themselves. In addition to still paying for Australia, I’m saving for Ireland...and maybe New York..AND,,, maybe Montreux next September for a certain someone’s Birthday Party!!!!! I’ve been catching up on the blog the last couple of days, because I haven’t been workin’, workin’, workin’. Now i’ll Tell you why, seeing as Thor seems intent on “outing” my clumsiness. Actually I’m pretty agile and NOT clumsy, but everyone has their day. I was jogging and fell over my two left feet, sailing head first into the black top of the parking lot I was crossing. After an ambulance, four hours in an emergency room, and eight stitches, Thor treated me to Chinese food, and decided he was staying another night with out checking at the front desk. That was a joke. I more than welcomed him staying, as my face looked like Michael B. Jordan’s in Creed 2, and I was confident that I would be hemorrhaging in the middle of the night. That didn’t happen. Thank you Thor for the attention and the Chinese food.. It’s good to have a nurse around even though I AM NOT ClUMSY. I would attach a photo but some of you are having dinner. I look really butch. There have been innteresting exchanges here, and I WIll catch up, I promise. It’s fun reading your notes about the film, and the many comments on line that continue to grow. The one Thor posted is a fave of mine, and I just tell people to read it, instead of listening to me go on. I’m off work for a few days, as I look REALLY bad and can’t have customers in my face for a few days. Til tomorrow Ciao |
Blenkolove 29.11.2018 01:18 |
FEEL BETTER SOON KATHLEEN!! Looking forward to your response......A belated Happy Thanksgiving to You!! |
Anniebee 29.11.2018 02:15 |
Good gracious Lee, I’m wincing just thinking about the pain you must be in. Thank goodness you had your own personal nurse lol. Maybe it’s the universe trying to tell you to take it easy? I know how it is to be “not clumsy”, I stabbed myself in the arm with a knife from the dishwasher once and had to get stitches. It’s amazing how many people ask, “what happened again?”, like, yeah, let me share my embarrassing story one more time. Feel better soon! And Thor, you’re a great friend! :) |
Katydyd5 29.11.2018 03:10 |
Yikes Lee! I hope you feel better soon. A fall like that can set you back some. Good thing you had a personal nurse. |
Katydyd5 29.11.2018 03:26 |
Oh, and I meant to say that I hope you both go to Montreux! It would be such a treat for those who go to the party, and what a great chance to share your book. You've got to do it!! |
Sheldon 29.11.2018 16:10 |
"The band and "reel friends" haven't called him bisexual. They've all called him gay. "He had girls in the early days but freddie never seemed truly happy until he started living as a gay man"- Brian. I don't know anyone who knew Freddie who ever claimed he slept with tons of women lol. Have you seen The Untold Story? Exactly the opposite, actually. But I have a sinking feeling this is a trolling attempt again so I'll just leave it there. This thread and Thor are far from the only people saying he was gay. Freddie seemed to be under the impression he was gay as well." No, no, no, no, this is not a trolling attempt! Thank you for your correction. I was referring mostly to Brian's comments about girls in the early days and of course the film that in my opinion very clearly shows him as a bisexual man (at least if the viewer does not know anything about Freddie from before). I do own a copy of the Untold Story, yes. What I find contradicting is what Thor, who very obviously was a real friend, is telling us and what random (gay) guys in various documentaries are telling us. Like I posted earlier, there is a huge difference between what is written in this thread and what is said in many documentaries. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 29.11.2018 18:52 |
Thor and Lee, I just want to thank you for doing this. I'm the new gal on the block here and I've really enjoyed going through the thread. Maybe one day I'll work up the courage to ask a question! |
Blackvy 29.11.2018 20:29 |
Welcome Sweetandtenderhooligan!, Thor and Lee are very kind people, always willing to answer our questions :) (I'll also need to work up the courage to ask a question, but for the moment, I'm glad to read other people's questions) Cheers! |
thundergod 29.11.2018 22:03 |
Ha ha, I will be able to answer questions today. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 29.11.2018 22:08 |
OK- I'll dig in! It seems as though, even before the release of the movie, that there is a growing fanbase of younger fans, mostly teenaged girls. They seem to be totally accepting of Freddie's sexuality and just all around love him. What would he think about this? My other question is quite silly, but did he like fashion when it came to being offstage/in his private life? Was it something that interested him? Thanks again, Thor and Lee. Freddie was lucky to have such loving and kind friends. -Nicole |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 29.11.2018 22:09 |
I also want to add that these teenaged girls I've spoken to (one is a friend's child- I'm a tad too young to have one that age myself) are very knowledgeable about the music and live shows. It isn't simply based on his image or looks. |
Anniebee 29.11.2018 23:54 |
Lee, I saw a picture of you and Joe Scardilli in the studio with Freddie and crew in one of Peter’s books, what was that like? Did you get to give any input or was it just sit and watch? Thor and Lee, was Freddie a hugger? Someone posted a question to Ask Phoebe wondering what Freddie smelled like, is there anything you ever smell that just hits you over the head with a memory of him? |
Rainbow61 29.11.2018 23:57 |
Lee…Wow, you must have had a doozy of a headache afterwards. I’m so glad you are okay and that you had a top notch private duty nurse looking after you! You guys have such an amazing friendship. I imagine that is why Freddie was drawn into your group and why I am looking forward to your book. I know that Peter (Phoebe) knows about the book…are you aware if Brian, Roger, or Freddie’s sister, Kashmira, are aware of the book as well? I bet Kashmira would be especially interested in learning more about her brother during that happy time of his life. Sweetandtenderhooligan....Welcome… It took me a while to muster up the courage to ask my first question as well. |
Villiers2 30.11.2018 00:57 |
Welcome back, KathLEEN. I'm sorry to hear about your fall. Had I known, I would've sent a fruit basket...or maybe a fruit hat ;) Hope aside from that you two had a great holiday, boys. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 04:43 |
Hi Anniebee, Even though I have a masters degree in music, I would NEVER have critiqued Freddie’s music. Joe, for some reason, often did, and he always said the same thing. We really just watched and learned, until one time I was flat out exhausted and he told me to go sleep in the car. Not sure what the chauffeur thought. I was SOOO tired I needed to close my eyes. Next thing I know, Freddie was waking me up and invited me into a bar/restaurant next store to the studio. He had me tell Roger a joke..........kind of an elaborate one.........which I DID and Roger and Freddie cracked up. It was very funny to come out of a sound sleep, and start telling jokes. HA! Fun, fun, fun. |
Rainbow61 30.11.2018 04:51 |
Lee, Okay you have me curious now...what was the one critique that Joe always had of Freddie's music? Did Freddie ask for Joe's input or did Joe just volunteer his thoughts? What was Freddie's reaction? |
FreddieDarling 30.11.2018 10:46 |
Lee, I hope you manage a full and speedy recovery. Falls aren't fun at all, especially onto nasty hard stuff like tarmac! Ouch! Your poor knees l Get well soon. Glad you had a good and well qualified friend to take care of you. Best Wishes and Kind Regards to you. |
Wiley 30.11.2018 12:18 |
I just did some major catching up on this thread since it had been weeks since I read it. I too am looking forward to this book to be published and backed it early in the process. Thor, also appreciated your comments about the movie. Once you accept it's not a documentary you can really enjoy it as a celebration of Queen and their legacy. The historic inaccuracies made me cringe but once I stopped nitpicking I enjoyed it immensely. I didn't like seeing Garden Lodge empty and Freddie alone by himself. I believe the house was rarely, if ever, empty. Also, I felt the movie could have avoided the gay-shaming criticism by having a character like Phoebe or some dear friend by his side in his "decadent" times. As it stands now, it's all about "villanous" gay man Paul Prenter talking Freddie down the path of destruction and everybody else is straight and happily married with kids. If I dare ask, what was your opinion on Paul Prenter? Did he ever hang out with you and the NY gang? In case you did meet him, what do you think of his portrayal in the Bohemian Rhapsody movie? Thanks! |
Anniebee 30.11.2018 14:25 |
Lol Lee, that sounds like a great experience, both being in the studio and making Freddie laugh lol. Did Joe ask for more cowbell? haha I love reading these books that Freddie's closest "family" have written and I can't wait to get my copy of yours. This line in Peter's book is sweet: "I have never seen any repetition of the intimacy of his relationship with Thor and Lee. To Freddie, these were two very special people..." I agree! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 21:44 |
Not sure if Freddie necessarily asked Joe for his opinion, but Joe offered it at least twice as I recall. He said, gesturing, something about keeping the beat moving forward. Never quite understood what he meant, but on the two occasions Freddie’s response was hhhmmm. Whatever that meant. LOL Freddie’s quiet time was his down time. He’ loved to laugh, and I remembering him always hugging us hello and goodbye when we were away from the public. I don’t mean ANYTHING by that other than his public persona at times, was on the quiet side. Except of course when he was on stage. Some questions have been very interesting. A reminder here...we/I never kept a diary of our time together, other than the when it was a special occasion or fun moment and I vdif that with my slides. That being said I didn’t live with the camera to my face on every fun occasion. LOTS of memories about bar fun and the like were with no camera. A camera would have been out of the ordinary in that kind of get get together but all those times are etched in my memory. I just remembered that I haven’t given enough proper “thank yous” for the kind words from many regarding my Olympic moment DIVE into the ground. How sweet of everyone. I still look kinda scary and can’t go back to work yet. Enjoying some R &R. And getting to catch up here. Still no photos I care to share. HA! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 21:50 |
Duh. So much for spell check Sorry. You get the drift, though. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 21:50 |
Duh. So much for spell check Sorry. You get the drift, though. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 21:58 |
...and tgere’s That pesky post reply button. Tricky on the iPhone. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 21:58 |
THere’s |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 21:58 |
THere’s |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 21:59 |
That was a joke |
Anniebee 30.11.2018 22:00 |
Haha Lee you might want to quit while you’re behind lol. Got any funny stories you can share with us? I would use a laugh. |
Anniebee 30.11.2018 22:01 |
*could. I think iPhone does it on purpose |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 22:23 |
I have a couple...but I fear it’s a repeat. Will that work? |
Anniebee 30.11.2018 22:29 |
Fine by me :) |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 30.11.2018 22:54 |
Ok. Cause you asked...I will repeat this story cause it’s my favorite, and endeared mebto this special man, even though it’s totally a joke. Sorry Thor. A repeat is ok, yes? Freddie and Bill Reid (New Jersey boy friend) were at it again. As always the evening started off well, probably with drinks at Freddie’s. Half way through the evening Bill started being Bill. He stomped out or Freddie asked him to leave. Either way, Freddie turned to us, without even having to think and said. “I’m going to buy New Jersey, and burn it down... except for Kathleen’s mother”. We roared, and I hugged him. I guess he did hug when we were out. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 30.11.2018 23:13 |
Thanks for confirming he was a hugger, Kathleen! I hope you're well! Bill sounded like a pain in the ass. |
Anniebee 30.11.2018 23:20 |
OMG Lee, haha, that is both hilarious and adorable. Thanks for the cheer up! |
Blackvy 30.11.2018 23:39 |
I love that story Lee!, thank you so much for sharing :), I never like Bill Reid, so that is one of my favourite stories! I think i read somewhere (I guess it was Phoebe who told the story) that one time you went all together to the beach, (I'm not sure if Freddie hired a limo for that occasion), and Phoebe got very sunburned!. Do you remember that? Also, I know there's already a question to Thor about Paul Prenter, but since you are here, I would like to know your opinion on Prenter, and if he was always hanging out with you and the gang. |
Catus 01.12.2018 02:56 |
Hi Lee, I hope you feel better soon!! I am so sorry to hear about your fall! I love your stories, thank you so much for sharing them with us! In fact, I was watching the movie (and enjoying it) but at the same time kept in mind that image of real Freddie that I could see from all these stories you guys have told us. I think these stories helped me to distinguish fact from fiction much better. Having said that, I wanted to ask a question too... Did Freddie ever talk to you guys about ballet, was he still interested in this topic when you met? Also, have you ever heard opera records playing in his house? Thanks a lot! |
DCQueenLuvr 01.12.2018 04:07 |
Hi, everyone. I am new here, although I feel as if I know you all since I have spent the last several days reading every page of this thread and the first one with Thor from last year. Thank you Lee and Thor for sharing your memories and stories with us. What a fun time that must have been! I am looking forward to buying your book once it is published. Like many of you, I grew up with Queen in the 70's and 80's. Seeing "Bohemian Rhapsody" renewed my interest in Freddie and the band. Thor, I appreciate your review of the movie. I am disappointed that they failed to show Freddie's happy, fun-loving side and the camaraderie he shared with his gay friends. I was also wondering why they depicted him as being so possessive of Mary. It is good to hear that he was, in fact, supportive of her finding a boyfriend and having a baby. I was reading the comments under a YouTube video a few days ago, and I saw one by a guy who claimed to have toured with Queen during their News of the World Tour in 1977-78. It wasn't clear if he was a roadie or a member of the opening act. He said that after one of the shows, he went out drinking with Freddie. Freddie said to him, "You're looking at the loneliest millionaire in the world. If it weren't for Mary, I don't know how I'd cope." I find that curious considering he was with David Minns at that time. Wouldn't he have called David if he was feeling lonely on the road? Or was Mary just better at saying the right things to cheer him up? I had a "Freddie" of my own in my late teens and early twenties, so I identify with Mary to some extent. That's a story for another day, though. Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday! |
Blackvy 01.12.2018 05:22 |
Welcome DCQueenLuvr! :) |
Rainbow61 01.12.2018 06:00 |
I love that Freddie was the kind of guy who could easily give hugs to his friends. It’s just one of those small details that I find rather heartwarming and enjoy hearing about. (And yes…I realize I sound rather sappy.) One of my favorite parts of Live Aid….Freddie finishes “Hammer to Fall” and walks over to the side of the stage and gives a quick hug to the guy who worked REALLY hard to prevent the cords from getting tangled. Such an endearing moment!!! |
Villiers2 01.12.2018 06:41 |
@DCQueenLuvr, interesting! I also find that curious as Freddie was avoiding Mary during that time (the beginning of the David Minns years) and I find it hard to believe he would say he felt a closeness to her then but who knows maybe he meant overall as a friend? He was hiding his sexuality to her at the time and she said he stayed away and kept things from her. She said it probably didn't make him feel very good. Just seems an odd thing to say for that time period, imo. David was on tour with Freddie on and off around that point, so yes it's very likely that he would have just called him. From what I got from David and Peter, Freddie didn't really discuss his relationships with men to Mary and he compartmentalized that and kept it to his other friends. But again, I'm not totally sure. She sure didn't seem too keen on any of his boyfriends, according to Peter...so I'm assuming? She played a pretty important part in his life, though. Ps welcome! :) |
Blackvy 01.12.2018 07:20 |
Rainbow61 wrote: I love that Freddie was the kind of guy who could easily give hugs to his friends. It’s just one of those small details that I find rather heartwarming and enjoy hearing about. (And yes…I realize I sound rather sappy.) One of my favorite parts of Live Aid….Freddie finishes “Hammer to Fall” and walks over to the side of the stage and gives a quick hug to the guy who worked REALLY hard to prevent the cords from getting tangled. Such an endearing moment!!!I totally agree with you!! Those details really show us the caring and loving person he was :,) |
Anniebee 01.12.2018 11:06 |
welcome DCQueenLuvr! Villiers, at that point (late 70s) how many of the road crew knew about Freddie dating Mary and David? Maybe he just didn’t want them to know and just said Mary? |
Villiers2 01.12.2018 11:51 |
Actually Anniebee, that's a really good point. Chris Taylor didn't find out about it right away, and he was pretty close to Freddie. Since Freddie passed away, Chris got to know David and has nice things to say about him but I do believe you're right. The road crew definitely had their suspicions in the early days (and knew about it by the 80s for sure) but Freddie may very well have kept it on the low even to them at that point. And there's no denying he and Mary were close. I just figured at a time when he was actively hiding things from her and avoiding her, that would be an odd thing to say to someone. |
Anniebee 01.12.2018 12:05 |
Villiers, it is pretty odd and such a random thing for someone to say/remember. And I wonder if he would even be that upfront about being lonely with a crew member. Sounds like more of a conversation that would be had with a close friend. |
Anniebee 01.12.2018 14:39 |
Hey Lee, I know Thor met him first, but when you met Freddie, did you know who he was? Was there anything that surprised you about him? |
DCQueenLuvr 01.12.2018 15:52 |
@Villiers2, I can understand why Freddie wouldn't discuss his romantic relationships with Mary. If he sensed she still had feelings for him, it would've been hurtful to her. It seems he had those conversations with trusted male friends, like Thor. It must've taken a lot of energy to protect the various people in his life (family, Mary, gay friends, himself) by compartmentalizing to the extent that he did, but I respect him for caring enough to do it. I can also understand how this might lead him to feel like "The Great Pretender." It would get exhausting after a while. Freddie said Mary was someone he could have serious and deep conversations with. If they didn't talk about his romances, I have to wonder what topics they discussed? It couldn't have all been about Queen business. I haven't read either of Peter's or David's books yet, although I've got Minns' book on order. I'm looking forward to learning more. Freddie was such an interesting person. |
queenbuzz 01.12.2018 16:34 |
Thor and Lee, I find it absolutely fantastic that you both remained friends all these years! Were you friends prior to Freddie? (forgive me if this was asked and answered) and how did you both end up on the west coast? Lee, all the best to you in your recovery! That is so unfortunate but am glad your good friend was there for you. My husband and 18 year old son went to see the movie last night. I was anxious to hear their thoughts. They felt sad that Freddie had such a despondent life and that he seemed to have an alcohol problem to get over loosing Mary. They both felt bad for him because he was so alone. That was their takeaway. Unfortunate for sure but my son did come home and watched Live Aid on Youtube and purchased his first Queen songs for his playlist. |
RobbyBloodshed 01.12.2018 19:50 |
Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: Freddie turned to us, without even having to think and said. “I’m going to buy New Jersey, and burn it down... except for Kathleen’s mother”.Oh no! Hahah, damn Bill gave NJ a bad name (well..worse than what we have already)! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 01.12.2018 22:57 |
That’s very funny Robby. Your right. New Jersey IS the brunt of a lot of jokes. Often they come from me, but I always add that it IS right by New York City, which was very handy when I discovered what it was all about. I also add that there are a lot of gorgeous areas in New Jersey. I’m gonna jump around here, to answer several questions. Thor and I had quite a travel habit circa 1980. We had met through our friend Joe, and Joe was often away working, so Thor and I would hook up and look for trouble...of all kinds. We would jump on a plane, often not thinking or planning, OR realizing the consequences of getting on a plane every 6 to 8 weeks to get out of town. As in it wasn’t cheap. Thor WAS the expert at finding deals so off we would go. After a few years of this, somehow the subject of getting out of New York for a while came up, much to Joe and John’s chagrin. After much deliberation, California was the vote. It HAD to be somewhere warm, after growing up in the east. As I recall, Thor was interested in San Francisco, for nursing opportunities, and I was favoring L.A. Somehow we agreed on San Diego, and off we went. That was 24 years ago this past Sunday, that we arrived. I told everyone in New York that we were just going for 6 months to calm those who thought we were crazy. Other than two and a half years in Provincetown on Cape Cod for me, we are still both here. I spent from 1999 to 2014 in L.A. in “the industry” before I retired. In June it will be five years that I am in Palm Springs. Opera and ballet - The subject came up, I’m sure several times, as Peter had worked in the field, and stories would be shared. Freddie certainly appreciated both. I remember one night we were all in the TV room of his place at the Soverign. Peter had a VHS tape (whatever the helll that is) of an opera. Let’s say it was Joan Sutherland. Every time the Diva did something phenomenal, vocally, Freddie, Peter, and I would scream with delight along with the audience on the tape. Thor, Joe, and John looked at us each time as though we had become possessed not having a clue as to why we would start cheering. It didn’t stop us. I think maybe Paul might have been there, joining in our reverie. You know the story Thor tells about Paul being enamored with Joe, so if Joe was there he was there. Paul was kind of quiet. Always friendly, always pleasant, and as far as we knew he was great to Freddie, and Freddie enjoyed his company. Little did anyone know what was brewing in his thoughts, when Freddie might have scolded him for something or other. There are a couple of photos of him in our book, having a good time with us. He was definety part of the gang many times. Oh well, I’m off to collect some of my saliva (how pleasant) to send to Ancestry.Com. I am this age, and I’m STILL determined to find out exactly how much Italian I have in me, the smaller part being Irish and German. Let’s chat tomorrow. Til then... Lee Out |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 01.12.2018 23:17 |
P.S. how silly of me. I meant to mention Monserrat Caballe, whom Freddie adored. That CD makes me nuts. She gifted him a dress she wore that hung in his salon by the window. The back story to how the album came about is fun, Someone told this next story, but he told us. As they were walking out to perform Barcelona, Monserrat told Freddie that she was nervous. (There were doctor’s back stage and they wondered how the hell he would be able to do that.). His response to her being nervous was something along the lines of “Its rock and roll, Darling”. The video is SO exciting. Maybe someone knows more details about that performance. |
Blackvy 02.12.2018 00:30 |
Hi Lee, I hope you're feeling better !! Thank you so much for answering our questions, and sharing your stories with us! I really appreciate your and Thor's time and kindness :) |
Anniebee 02.12.2018 00:51 |
I had no clue he had done a song with Montserrat Caballe, no clue who she was at all, but I have since had Barcelona on repeat quite often, it’s wonderful! Her voice is amazing and so is his, I get goosebumps just listening to it. I’m going to have to find the rest of the album to listen to. |
Katydyd5 02.12.2018 02:18 |
Here's a lovely interview that's been floating around the internet for the last few days between Freddie and Montserrat. I've seen bits and pieces of it before but Freddie's voice has always been over-dubbed in Spanish. This is the first time I've been able to hear his replies. Montserrat is still in Spanish, but it's fun to watch Freddie's reactions when he's not speaking. He seems very relaxed and he's clearly having fun. The friendship was obviously important to both of them. Enjoy! link |
Rainbow61 02.12.2018 02:27 |
Hi Anniebee, Did you watch the interview with Freddie and Montserrat that was recently posted on another thread? It is quite delightful. The affection they had for one another really shines through. |
Rainbow61 02.12.2018 02:32 |
Oops...Katydyd5 and I must have been posting replies at the same time. I have tried to listen to this interview a second time, but I can no longer get any sound...I have no idea why as I can hear other YouTube videos just fine. Strange! |
Anniebee 02.12.2018 02:35 |
I started watching it then had to do something and haven’t picked it back up again. I’ll have to watch it again! |
thundergod 02.12.2018 06:49 |
Thank you Lee, But I think you all need to watch and hear the perfection of "Barcelona". For those who haven't experienced it, here it is! link |
thundergod 02.12.2018 07:02 |
Here's an interesting video too...and Phoebe finally gets some airtime.Warning: this is a bit sad. link |
Blackvy 02.12.2018 07:33 |
Hey Thor!, Thanks for sharing!, the first one, Somebody to love, I must say that I've always loved this kind of Aretha Franklin's tribute with the gospel choir style, one of my favourites Freddie's songs :) . And the last video as you said, a bit sad but interesting indeed. |
Anniebee 02.12.2018 11:45 |
That second video hit me right in the feels y’all. It’s videos like these that make me wish That the world could have been nicer to Freddie. Thor, the first video is Somebody to Love live in Montreal. I watched an opera singer/voice coach do a reaction video on YouTube to this video and by the end she said that she was trying to hold on to something about the video to critique but she had nothing. His live performances looked like they were wonderful! Here’s the Barcelona video link Just for fun, I found a video of the Ohio State marching band performing Queen songs, they’re so good at what they do. link |
thundergod 03.12.2018 00:06 |
Thank you Anniebee for correcting my error with the Barcelona video. Don't know how that happened but Somebody to Love is a beauty in its own right! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 03.12.2018 00:22 |
Hey All. Just watched an interview with Rami talking about the funny moments while making the film. Seeing that it has been viewed like 3.4 million time, i’m sure a lot of you have seen it. He’s quite charming. I have a fun idea. I don’t know what everyone will think about this, but it has been mentioned a few times, that not everyone who reads this joins in with the conversation. I would love love love it and I know Thor would as well, if all of those people would just say...”HI”. Nothing else if you are intimated about talking just ...”HI”. Personally I’m a little shy...Thor, quiet... and it takes be a moment to get comfortable with things. Not sure I would do it, but you PLEASE DO!!! |
Rainbow61 03.12.2018 02:30 |
Hi Lee, GREAT idea...will be fun to see how many respond. I have always assumed there are a lot of "behind the scenes" fans who enjoy the conversations but are not comfortable joining in. I have watched numerous interviews with Rami. Lovely man. He is very modest, articulate, and has the utmost respect for Freddie the man and performer. He caught a bit of flak a while back after being asked during an interview if he thought Freddie was a gay icon. He answered that he was an icon. Perfect answer...am glad he didn't take the easy way out and give the expected answer. He didn't want to limit Freddie's iconic status. Freddie is an icon for many people and groups...gay, straight, men, women, Parsee, British, shy people, cat lovers, musicians etc. etc. etc. Rami knows that and wanted his answer to reflect that greater truth. He wasn't being disrespectful and he certainly was not denying Freddie was gay. |
SweetestSpring 03.12.2018 08:17 |
Thought I’d be the first to say ‘Hi’ bit of a lurker, enjoy reading all the topics, but have never posted. Huge Queen fan, but even bigger Freddie fan. Hope to talk to you all here soon, you seem like great people. :) |
FreddieDarling 03.12.2018 08:58 |
Hi I'm a semi-lurker. :-) Never sure what to ask as I don't want to throw questions at you that you've had lots of times before. Thank you for sharing your experiences with our lovely Freddie :-) |
Fmakne 03.12.2018 12:29 |
Hi everyone! I'm definitely a lurker! I've been reading this thread for more than a year now, but somehow I never found the courage to join in and ask some questions myself. The funny thing is that I was thinking about it yesterday, so I came here with the idea of introducing myself and I found Lee's last post! Well, I guess it was time, so here it is! My name's Elena, I'm 28 years old and I'm from Italy. I'm a passionate lover of everything that has to do with music. I've been a Queen fan since I can remember, but in the last two years this passion has reached new heights and I found myself completely fascinated by Freddie and, let's be honest, a little bit obsessed, too ;) The more I read about him, the more this little obsession of mine grows and I must say that a lot of it has to do with the amazing memories and stories Thor and Lee are kindly sharing with us. So, thank you, thank you for keeping his memory alive! I cannot begin to say how grateful I am to have the possibility to talk to you two and to all the great people in this thread. So much for a quick introduction, I'm afraid I talked your ears off! Lots of love to you all! P.S. I hope you feel better soon, Lee! |
Rainbow61 03.12.2018 12:43 |
A big welcome to SweetestSpring, FreddieDarling, and Fmakne. Nice to meet you! |
queenbuzz 03.12.2018 14:03 |
Wanted to say "HI" from the mostly boring state of Pennsylvania near Amish country (no I am NOT Amish) I grew up in NJ as a fan of Queen . Lee I love your stories about NJ BTW. I can totally relate! I grew up outside of the city. I am mostly a lurker, I spent HOURS reading through old posts and have asked a few silly questions. Thank you to Thor and Lee for your time! |
LoganMews 03.12.2018 15:01 |
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LoganMews 03.12.2018 15:01 |
Hi Lee, Hi Thor - can't wait to read the book!!! |
love2spin 03.12.2018 15:46 |
I'm a "lurker" too, but I LOVE reading all the posts. Thank you Thor and Lee for sharing your experiences with all Freddie's fans. LIVE NATION just announced Q AL north American "Rhapsody Tour" for summer 2019!!! |
Katydyd5 03.12.2018 16:50 |
Wow, welcome to all the newbies/lurkers. I read QZ for a long time, but had to create an account when Thor and Lee came on board so I could participate. Queenbuzz, I was born in PA, and love the state. However, I lived in NJ for a long time, and graduated from Parsippany High School. Anywhere near you? Later graduated from Rowan. Now living in Ohio, and just saw that Queen+ will bring their tour to Columbus. Hmmmm…………..checking ticket prices. |
thundergod 03.12.2018 16:57 |
Welcome, welcome, SweetestSpring, Fmakne, LoganMews and love2spin,(Welcome back FreddieDarling and queenbuzz). This new program of encouraging formerly unknown, non-commenters - but readers none the less, to say hello is just wonderful! Great idea Lee. To those who have a question or a comment that has been covered and buried somewhere else in these 200+ pages of the two threads, please DON'T hesitate to ask. A good story is worth repeating. There are many, many great people on this thread worth meeting, if only by a comment or two. You are ALL welcome to join in or just continue to read at your own leisure. Lee and I, as well as many other Freddie/Queen fans, love to hear from you. |
thundergod 03.12.2018 17:08 |
BTW Katydyd, My neice, on my brother's side (who now works and lives just outside of Philadelphia with her husband and two lovely children) is a Rowan graduate too! She loved that school, it got her away, but not too far away from her home in Nutley, N.J. |
stevendabudgie 03.12.2018 17:47 |
Welcome everybody! Greetings from Germany! Here's our new national anthem ("We're dancing the polka becausew e love Germany") link |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 03.12.2018 18:18 |
Hi Thor and Lee! I know you mentioned his LA trip before, but did he ever visit West Hollywood (where I live haha)? What did he think about LA? |
Katydyd5 03.12.2018 19:21 |
Hey Thor, I lived in North Jersey at the time and Rowan was just far enough away that I had to live on campus. It was just what I needed at the time. Gotta spread those wings. My brother lives and works in a suburb of Philly now. Small world, eh? |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 03.12.2018 19:29 |
Katy- You're lucky Freddie didn't buy New Jersey while you were there! haha |
thundergod 03.12.2018 20:04 |
Welcome Sweettenderhooligan! That was a hilarious response!. But, Freddie sold New Jersey back when Bill Reid stopped pestering him AND, of course, when he learned that New Jersey could not have a Queen. |
queenbuzz 03.12.2018 20:09 |
Welcome Sweettenderhooligan! Just a side question since you lived in Northern NJ...Did you ever go to Action Park before it closed? LOL If you know what I am talking about. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 03.12.2018 21:01 |
Queenbuzz: I actually live in LA, but the New Jersey bit was a reference to another poster who used to live there. Cheers! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 03.12.2018 21:02 |
Hah, thank you, Thor! I'll never be as funny as Freddie, I'm afraid :) |
Petalouda8 04.12.2018 00:23 |
Hello all! Another long-time lurker checking in. My name's anna (the screen name means Butterfly in Greek :)), I'm born & raised in Queens, NY, but I've been living in New Orleans for the last 12 years. Looooong time fan of Queen (especially Freddie). I remember watching Queen at LiveAid when I was 12 years old & being blown away. Up until that point, I was only familiar with what was played on the radio. Needless to say, my little 12 year old self went out & bought a Queen album (Night at the Opera!) as soon as I could after LiveAid, and have been a passionate fan ever since. I was 18 when Freddie died and truly grieved his passing. I don't think I've ever - before or since - felt the loss of a public figure they way I did with Freddie. Such a beautiful soul that was taken too soon. I want to thank Thor & Lee for all the time they put in to answering questions. You two are so very sweet & generous & it's appreciated more than words can say. So looking forward to your book! |
Wiley 04.12.2018 00:59 |
Hey guys, I'm an occasional poster but mostly a lurker in this very insightful thread. I also joined the GoFundMe campaign a while back and I'm looking forward to reading the book. I made a question a couple of days ago, which got buried. I wondered whether you guys had met Paul Prenter and what was your impression about him. He's been portrayed in a negative light by Brian and Roger in interviews and he's the obvious villain of the movie. Was there another side to him that we're not shown? I also made a comment about the movie equating Freddie's coming to terms with his sexuality with embracing a destructive lifestyle and being lonely. We know Garden Lodge was rarely empty and that he kept genuine, positive friendships with plenty of people of all sexual orientations and lifestyles. I kinda wished they had introduced a "token" "good gay" character like Peter Freestone to balance that out so that it's not just: Queen = good/family values; all things gay = bad/meaningless/destructive. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.12.2018 01:43 |
Welcome everyone. I’m thrilled the idea was taken seriously. Wiley...I spoke about Paul in my 12/01 post. Not a lot to say about Paul, I think. Thor? He was kinda quiet, mostly, and let everyone “take stage”, as they say. The fact that they made such a big thing about Paul, when there were dear people who cared for Freddie, and were with him until the end, perplexing to me. Interesting artistic choice. |
Katydyd5 04.12.2018 02:14 |
It's great seeing so many people reply. Lee, I think there may be even more who lurk who haven't created accounts with QZ, so they are unable to post. I had no intention of ever doing any more than reading the occasional QZ thread until you and Thor appeared. I followed you guys for a long time before I worked up the nerve to jump in and even then I never planned on actively posting. It's turned out to be so much fun! Sources of new material are limited now, so the fresh perspective you two have provided is a delight. You are both master story tellers with fun senses of humor and I'm glad you are willing to share. |
Anniebee 04.12.2018 03:35 |
I’m glad a lot of you decided to reply, it’s great meeting new people! Welcome! I’m one of those that has no trouble posting online but get me in a crowd and social awkwardness prevails. @Petalouda8, my name is Anna also :) I’m in Virginia, but I think New Orleans is one of the favorite cities I’ve ever visited! Lee and Thor, as always thank you for being you and sharing your stories! I hope more “lurkers” say hi! |
Blackvy 04.12.2018 06:27 |
I guess I already shared this, but here I go again :) I've been a member of this website for many years and a queen fans for many more, but I've recently decided to participate more, especially on this thread which I found very interesting, full of amazing stories of Freddie and his great friends Thor and Lee :). As some of you have said where you are from, I was just wondering if by any chance.. Is anybody from Argentina here? I'm from Buenos Aires, by the way. :) |
Blackvy 04.12.2018 06:28 |
Sorry, it was Queen fan* |
SweetestSpring 04.12.2018 08:00 |
Hi Thor, I know you have probably answered this already, so I’m sorry if I am asking you to answer it again! I’d love to know your opinion on Mary Austin, there are a lot of people who have really strong opinions on her, and say some really awful things about her. From all accounts, Freddie seemed to love her very much, and I’m sure he would be horrified to hear of how she has been treated since his death. Being personally in a similar situation, my ex came out as bisexual whilst we were in a long term relationship, I’ve always really admired Mary for supporting Freddie, when he came out to her, and never leaving him. I myself, was very hurt, and couldn’t do the same. What was their relationship like? They seemed very close, did you get to spend much time with her, or with both Freddie and her? Thank You in advance. |
FreddieDarling 04.12.2018 11:19 |
Hi Thor and Lee, Many thanks for your warm re-welcome :-) Do you still feel in touch with Peter Freestone ? I know he was very find of all of Freddie's "New York daughters" and considered you all some of the few genuine, selfless friends of Freddie, and seems to have had a good time with you, too. Peter says he didn't feel Freddie treated him as a servant, from your observations would you consider Freddie treated rather as a friend who was also a willing Go-For? Though Freddie sometimes played up to the imperialist image , he seemed to do so with a twinkle in his eye, which suggested it was mostly in jest. Kindest Regards to everyone on this Queen Zone thread. It's a fun thread! |
thundergod 04.12.2018 20:03 |
Wow, I have some catching up to do. Thank you all for your kind messages. I will go from stevendabudgie's message to current ones as of 12/4/18. Lieber stevendabudgie, Vielen Dank für Ihre jüngsten Kommentare. (Thank you for your recent comments) Lee und ich wünschen Ihnen ein frohes Weihnachtsfest und ein gutes neues Jahr. (Lee and I would like to wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year) I hope my German is close to correct. |
thundergod 04.12.2018 20:24 |
Hello S&T Hooligan, West Hollywood...hummm....let me think...are there any gay bars in West Hollywood? Just kidding! In that 4 day trip to Hollywood, I would say we went to the clubs in West Hollywood only about 4 times...lol... Twice with Freddie. During the West Coast tour of 1982, we returned to a few of these places. Freddie liked LA, but I know, he prefered the concentrated cosmopolitan feel of New York at that time. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.12.2018 20:25 |
Haha, thanks, Thor! I'm really enjoying the time you're spending here. Glad to speak to a nurse, as my mother is an RN and just got her BSN at the age of 59. I'm so proud. |
thundergod 04.12.2018 20:51 |
Dear All, We got an unfortunate denial from the publishing lady that we thought would be our best hope. After 5 months of an excruciating wait, she wished us luck but stated she, "did not have a "Vision" to take on our book." As some might remember, another one after a long wait, "did not have a "Passion" for our book. All the advice on the internet says to stick with it and have a tough skin with regards to rejections. I will have to go back to the drawing-board and put more time and effort into finding others. Lee and I still have 5 months left before our decision is to be made whether to try self-publishing or go the E-book route. I'd really like to never give up, but I think all the donors to GoFundMe need to see progress or perhaps a refund...We really don't want to give up our labor of love. Perhaps, I can send an honest message to any of the 50+ donors who would like to get a refund and then continue with those who want to see this project to it's end. Never thought it would be so hard. |
Anniebee 04.12.2018 21:05 |
Hey Thor, You have my donation and I'd like to see this through to the end! I know it's hard now but when someone does take the project on and brings it to fruition, it will be well worth it! Question for you, when y'all would hang out with Freddie was it expected that you'd be going out to have fun or did you ever do a guys night in? Hang in there! |
thundergod 04.12.2018 21:38 |
Thank you Anniebee, That idea is well appreciated. I have about six people to either thank, welcome or send a message to (basically, I have not yet answered people on page 80...and that includes YOU my friend. I will answer your question ASAP. I have a lot of publishing searching to do! Again, thanks for your support. Thor and Lee |
FreddieDarling 04.12.2018 22:46 |
Thor As one of the donors I am more than happy to wait it out for a publisher who "wises up"! If after the phenomenal success of the Bohemian Rhapsody film hasn't enlightened them as to the everlasting appeal and fascination people have for Freddie Mercury, then they need psychiatric evaluation! Honestly ! If the idiots in the publishing world don't step up I really hope you DO self-publish via Amazon or whoever,I really want to see this book. Whichever method it end up being I am happy for you to use my donation to fund it's publication. Whatever new information I can garner about Freddie is gold dust to me! I hoard all new info like a little squirrel with its supply of winter nuts. :-) Good Luck and stay hopeful. Kind Regards to you and Lee Nicola |
Rainbow61 05.12.2018 00:32 |
Hi Thor and Lee, I’m sure you have both learned a lot about the publishing world over the past several months. You have a manuscript and you now understand the submission process and all that entails…you are not starting from scratch. Those valuable lessons will help you as you press forward. Don’t worry about the donation. Maybe the publisher “did not have a vision” but your Queen Zone friends certainly do! Always remember that. |
Katydyd5 05.12.2018 01:29 |
Count me in as one who wants to see the project through. No refund needed here! |
Shvili 05.12.2018 03:15 |
Create a traveling exhibition gallery show. You know.... similar to how some museums do. You would go around the world narrating the pics. Country to Country City to City. You like to ravel right? |
DCQueenLuvr 05.12.2018 03:22 |
SweetestSpring, I, too, found myself in the same situation and don't know how Mary transitioned from girlfriend to just a "good friend" so gracefully. I'm guessing it's because she wasn't blindsided and suspected Freddie was gay long before she confronted him. She probably did her grieving before they broke up. I certainly hope she didn't carry a torch for him all those years. That would've been tragic. My "Freddie" and I have been friends for 40 years now, but there was a period of 6 six years when we didn't communicate at all, because I needed that time to move on. We now live on opposite coasts (of the US), so don't see each other often, but we still chat on the phone and email. When we do get together (most recently 18 months ago after not seeing each other for 17 years), it's very comfortable - like slipping into an old pair of shoes. |
freddies bell end 05.12.2018 08:50 |
I’m Ritchie from DC, USA and I’m happy our Capital One Arena in Chinatown was chosen as a summer tour stop for the Queen + Adam Lambert 2019 tour. When I first saw Adam on the American Idol sing Born to be Wild and hit that amazing high note at the end, I wrote to Brian about this amazing singer who could handle standing in for Mr. Mercury. The range of enthusiasm was all there. It’s likely that I wasn’t the only one who contacted him. I first heard Queen in 1982 when I was 8 years old and it was a John Deacon song that was played as an entrance theme for a professional wrestler. I ordered the Greatest Hits from Columbia House Record Club soon after but only for Another one bites the dust. I sat on this amazing cassette for many years without ever listening to the other songs. In 1990 I went to Turkey where they had cassette tapes for $1. I randomly picked up A NIGHT AT THE OPERA because I liked the sound of operatic metal voices such as Helloween or Iron Maiden, Queensryche. I put the tape on before I went to asleep and woke up slightly dreaming of some amazing piece of music which turned out to be Bohemian Rhapsody. I was in Cambridge UK 3 days after Freddie left us and Queen was being played virtually everywhere. I was 17 on Nov.24 and heard the news on CNN. Hollywood Records eventually released the whole catalog and I bought everyone of the reissues. Mr.Bad Guy was out of print and I really had to search to find that. Losing him was the same as losing a favorite family member. I felt sorrow in the summer of 1992 and the heaviest tears of sorrow poured out which were too strong to ever hold back. I was alone and nobody in my world could ever understand. I’m glad I have Queenzone and reading some of your histories brought chills to my body and made the hair stand up on my arms/legs. I myself had never had a public figure I mourned for and there’s been nobody ever since. What was once ours now belongs to the world. If there are any Queenzone members around the DC or suburbs who wish to be in contact, don’t be shy. |
SweetestSpring 05.12.2018 09:18 |
SweetestSpring, I, too, found myself in the same situation and don't know how Mary transitioned from girlfriend to just a "good friend" so gracefully. I'm guessing it's because she wasn't blindsided and suspected Freddie was gay long before she confronted him. She probably did her grieving before they broke up. I certainly hope she didn't carry a torch for him all those years. That would've been tragic. My "Freddie" and I have been friends for 40 years now, but there was a period of 6 six years when we didn't communicate at all, because I needed that time to move on. We now live on opposite coasts (of the US), so don't see each other often, but we still chat on the phone and email. When we do get together (most recently 18 months ago after not seeing each other for 17 years), it's very comfortable - like slipping into an old pair of shoes. DCQueenLuvr, Thank you for your response. Unfortunately for me and my ex, there was far too much heartbreak and hurt feelings for us to remain in each other’s lives. I was completely blindsided, which may sound strange, but I really never expected OR suspected at all. In hindsight, it made me feel not only incredibly hurt, but really stupid too. This is why I admire people such as yourself, and Mary. They were together 6 years. That’s a long time to spend with another person, and though she suspected, I have no doubt that she, at one point thought that she’d spend the rest of her life with him. That’s a hard idea to let go of, but she did it with grace, and seemingly transitioned smoothly into the best friend role. She must have loved him a hell of a lot. I hope too, that she didn’t pine for him. That would indeed, be very sad. They had something very special though, a love and loyalty to each other, that lasted the rest of his life. Thank you again, for your very thoughtful response. |
Blenkolove 05.12.2018 12:35 |
NO VISION ????? NO PASSION????? WTF????? What Planet are these publishers living on?????? The soundtrack for Bohemian Rhapsody is in top ten, the internet is on FIRE with people Hungry for Any info on Freddie and Queen.......The Movie is a Huge Hit, Queen + AL announced US tour..... These publishers are out of their minds!!!! Keep Pushing On!!! Freddie would want you to!!!!!!!!!! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.12.2018 17:54 |
How silly of those publishers! Especially with the movie making such big waves you'd think they'd want to capitalize on that. Don't give up hope! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 05.12.2018 18:45 |
Greetings. I did check in yesterday, but didn’t have a chance to contribute. I went to see a show in L.A. that a friend of mine is touring in. We sang together in a club in the late 70’s, and we went crazy reminiscing, as you can imagine. The show is Come From Away. It was a HUGE hit on Broadway and narrowly missed being voted as a Tony winner for best musical. I don’t really know where any of our contributors are from in the U.S. but it’s touring all over for the next year. I’m going on about the show, as it was in one of the most spectacular things I have ever seen. The message is beyond heartwarming, and I became very emotional at the end and had to compose myself before you going back stage to see my friend. I became a little emotional again being on the set with the cast who were warm and generous. I’ll stop talking about this now, but it was SO special an experience, and SO what we need right now I had to talk about it. RUN do not walk to see it. It has a 911 theme that will take your breath away. Ok...that’s that. LOVE the lurkers chiming in. You add class to the title LOL. I’ve been seeing a lot of talk about Mary, and I just wanted to say a couple of things. There are many speculations as to the relationship that the two of them had, and yes, I think the movie dropped the ball a little bit. Mary was around a lot on our last visit, and was sweet and kind and thoughtful, and you could tell that Freddie liked her being around. We hardly became friends in such a short time, but she was part of the photo moment before we left on the last day, along with her infant son, Richard. She actually had a Queen duffel bag that I commented on and she emptied it and gave it to me. I’m repeating myself here, but for those inquiring about Paul, he WAS a major presence in the early 80’s, was very nice to us, and having not seen a dark side of him, I was taken aback by how it all turned out concerning him. I’m back to work tomorrow with a “fighter’s scar” over my right eye. As you know, Thor was my nurse that first day, and was very kind...who hates free Chinese food? Til tomorrow. |
Anniebee 05.12.2018 20:36 |
Lee, you are precious :) I looked up the tour dates for Come From Away and unfortunately the closest it is going to get to me is 5 hours away. I did read the true story behind it and I can say that I'm sure it would bring back memories of that day and make me cry like a baby. I don't know about you, but that day stands in my mind like it was yesterday. It's nice that they are able to bring the story alive, especially since I and many others have probably never heard it. Have fun back at work, if people ask just say "you should see the other guy." lol <3 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.12.2018 20:45 |
Lee, I hope you had fun out in LA! I live here as well and there's always something to do. I enjoyed the Mary story, that was a nice gesture. I do have a question: how do you feel about this new onslaught of fans from the movie insisting Freddie dated women his whole life? |
Katydyd5 06.12.2018 13:26 |
I"ve had tickets for my local city's Broadway Series for over 20 years. I'll bet Come From Away will be on the schedule for next year, and sadly, for the first time I'm considering dropping the series. We get some great shows but I've also seen Fiddler on The Roof at least three times. While I love that show, at this point I want to see things that are new to me. I keep the tickets this season because we are finally getting Hamilton, and also Dear Evan Hansen. Hard decision...……….I love Broadway music. Lee, will the picture you took on the last day that included Mary be included in the book? |
Anniebee 06.12.2018 17:40 |
@Katydyd5 how awesome you get to see all of these wonderful performances! Too bad about next year but it’s understandable. I remember seeing a local rendition of Fiddler on the Roof when I was 9 years old and my uncle was part of the cast. It was fun but not really something my 9 year old self understood lol. I think Hamilton is coming here next year and I’d love to see it. My girls were all about Hamilton last year but now they’re over it lol. Too bad I might drag them there anyway haha |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 07.12.2018 20:39 |
Hey Sweet and Tender. I’m actually a little confused about this onslaught of people insisting Freddie always dated woman. There are no facts to substantiate that, and there are many facts, some of which Thor and I are privy to, that supports the opposite. Not sure when there will be a turn around for those people who think that. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 07.12.2018 20:44 |
Katydyd5...HELLO Where are you located? I’ll ask my friend in the show if it will be near you. RE: Mary’s photo...I don’t Know yet. I’m not sure if I need her permission or not. I don’t want to step on any toes in that department. We’re gonna let the publisher help us with those details. RE: Dear Evan Hansen. That’s another “OMG”. I had second row seats last year when I was in New York. That DID win Best Musical. The actor in the lead has work to do like you seldom see. He also won best actor in a musical. |
SweetestSpring 07.12.2018 22:31 |
Hi Lee, All your stories are so fascinating and wonderful, thank you for sharing them. I sincerely hope that you get the book published.. I am looking forward to it! Thank you for your story about Mary, by your account, she seems like a lovely woman. How nice of her to give you her bag! |
Rainbow61 07.12.2018 23:22 |
Hi Lee, Loved the story of your interaction with Mary. That she meant so much to Freddie and had his trust and devotion for so long says a lot about her. Do you still have the Queen duffel bag? |
Anniebee 07.12.2018 23:49 |
Lee, you were a waiter when you met Freddie, right? Did he ever come and eat at your restaurant while you were working? Also I don’t know if you’ve told this before but how did you and Thor meet? |
Catus 08.12.2018 01:09 |
Lee, thank you so much for responding to my question about opera and ballet! Loved the screaming and cheering bit! Hope you're feeling better now, wishing you a speedy recovery. Thor, I am so sorry to hear about this publisher - but please don't give up, keep looking! With the success of the movie, you should find your ideal publisher eventually! Personally, I support your project with all my heart - and please count on me in terms of my modest donation. No refund needed, we will see your book published and rocking the book market, I am sure. |
MisterCosmicc 08.12.2018 01:11 |
thundergod wrote: Dear All, We got an unfortunate denial from the publishing lady that we thought would be our best hope. After 5 months of an excruciating wait, she wished us luck but stated she, "did not have a "Vision" to take on our book." As some might remember, another one after a long wait, "did not have a "Passion" for our book. All the advice on the internet says to stick with it and have a tough skin with regards to rejections. I will have to go back to the drawing-board and put more time and effort into finding others. Lee and I still have 5 months left before our decision is to be made whether to try self-publishing or go the E-book route. I'd really like to never give up, but I think all the donors to GoFundMe need to see progress or perhaps a refund...We really don't want to give up our labor of love. Perhaps, I can send an honest message to any of the 50+ donors who would like to get a refund and then continue with those who want to see this project to it's end. Never thought it would be so hard.I've published a book before. There's publishers who will publish anything. Check with hundreds of them. But be careful, some will eat your shorts. Be as fully detailed about who you are, show them photos, etc... maybe even show them this thread so they can see the kind of interest in Freddie with diehard Queen fans. |
Catus 08.12.2018 01:16 |
Also... I have joined the QZ about a year ago, came across Thor's (previous) thread, and spent almost the entire night reading it. I am also mostly one of the lurkers although sometimes I find courage to ask questions :) I live in Canada (great lakes region), originally from Russia, loved Queen since my teen years but fell seriously in love with them about a year ago. Thanks guys for a great conversation, I love peeking into this thread from time to time. |
Katydyd5 08.12.2018 01:58 |
Lee, I'm in the Cincinnati area. It would be lovely to know from your friend if Come From Away will get here in the near future. We tend to get good shows, but maybe a year behind some of the larger cities. We do get a lot of revivals and some shows that I've seen many, many times. Having said that I'd happily sit through Les Mis, Wicked, and others again and again. This year they are bringing back Fiddler and Miss Saigon. Having held my tickets so long, it's natural that I've seen some shows more than once, but there is so much out there it can get irritating to wait a long time for a show. I watch the Tonys every year, knowing we will wait two years before the top shows get here. This is the first year for Hamilton here and I think we are long overdue. We have excellent seats and I'm really torn about renewing because if I give the tickets up I'll never get a location like we have again. When I got divorced my ex wanted to split the tickets with me, each of us getting half the shows. Uh, I don't think so. I told him I had custody of the tickets. Oddly enough he didn't fight me on that issue. I've always loved Broadway musicals, and if they throw in a little tap dancing I'm even happier. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 10.12.2018 19:18 |
Lee or Thor- I recall going through the very large threads of your past posts a leather jacket you gave to Freddie in NYC. Are there any photos/video of him wearing it? |
Dean_ 11.12.2018 01:31 |
freddies bell end wrote: I first heard Queen in 1982 when I was 8 years old and it was a John Deacon song that was played as an entrance theme for a professional wrestler.JYD! |
matt z 11.12.2018 16:12 |
Dean_ wrote:*JUNK YARD DOG (for those who don't know....)freddies bell end wrote: I first heard Queen in 1982 when I was 8 years old and it was a John Deacon song that was played as an entrance theme for a professional wrestler.JYD! |
thundergod 12.12.2018 01:24 |
Well, my dear friends I am way behind on my answers and greetings. I will get to them after the Holidays. ( I go to Palm Springs tomorrow ..(.a frosty 78 degrees...LOL) with Lee, Chuck, and Brandon. Then, off to New York ( A sweltering 21 degrees) and visits with as many family members as possible. So, if possible please hold off any new questions until I have answered the previous ones. Please be patient. I will not be able to get back to you until after New Years Day. To Everyone- Have a blessed Christmas, a Happy (belated) Hanukkah and a Very Happy New Year! What do I want for Christmas? ...a publisher...lol |
Katydyd5 12.12.2018 02:21 |
Have a wonderful holiday Thor!! It sounds like you are extending the festivities over several weeks with many special people. NY may be cold, but I can't imagine a warm Christmas. It's just not right! Enjoy your friends and family!! Safe travels...………….and may your Christmas wish come true. |
Anniebee 12.12.2018 02:29 |
Thor and Lee, have a great visit! Wish it were 78 here, but I guess that’s the price you pay for NOT living in Palm Springs lol. Thor, have a safe trip, try to stay warm in NY. I’m hoping your Christmas wish comes true also :) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.12.2018 16:52 |
Have a wonderful time, Thor! I'll be flying to Boston from LA next week and I'm preparing myself for the cold. Palm Springs is a blast. We usually stay at Caliente Tropics- the kitsch is unbelievably fun. Take care! Nicole |
FreddieDarling 13.12.2018 09:07 |
Hi Thor Happy and safe travels. Hope you have a wonderful Christmas. Keep an eye on Lee and make sure he doesn't do any more mose dives! I want a publisher for you for Christmas, too. I'll have to go and sit on Father Christmas's lap! Seasons Greeting to all on Thor's thread! Kind Regards Nic |
matt z 16.12.2018 08:53 |
Guess I missed this one. December 2 Posted to Steve Lukather's twitter page. U got mentioned by a reader, Thor & Lee. I hope the book meets its fruition to help with reaffirming things about your pal Freddie. |
dysan 18.12.2018 08:02 |
bump |
FreddieDarling 19.12.2018 13:29 |
bump ?????? bump, what ??!!?? |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 19.12.2018 21:19 |
Dysan, no need to bump. Lee and Thor are off celebrating the holidays, They'll be back! |
Blackvy 20.12.2018 17:27 |
2 days ago, the general discussion forum was spammed out (again). It had almost 3 pages full of spam topics so the real ones were unable to be seen. That's why Dysan took the job of bumping this and the latests topics. :) |
Blenkolove 25.12.2018 23:24 |
Wishing ALL a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!! PEACE AND LOVE TO ONE AND ALL!!! |
Rainbow61 26.12.2018 01:31 |
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all Queen fans near and far. I hope this holiday season has been a joyful one for you! It is a toasty 6 degrees (fahrenheit) tonight where I am in New York State...but there is snow on the ground which I love at Christmas time. Peace! |
Catus 26.12.2018 02:22 |
Merry Christmas to everyone out there! |
stevendabudgie 26.12.2018 03:02 |
Merry Christmas to everyone! link |
Lamebert whoehahaha 27.12.2018 13:59 |
I think Lee and Thor SMELL MONEY.... |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.12.2018 18:50 |
Lamebert, please stop. Thor and Lee are good people. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.12.2018 18:50 |
Lamebert, please stop. Thor and Lee are good people. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.12.2018 18:50 |
Lamebert, please stop. Thor and Lee are good people. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.12.2018 18:50 |
Lamebert, please stop. Thor and Lee are good people. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.12.2018 18:51 |
Lamebert, please stop. Thor and Lee are good people. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.12.2018 18:53 |
Oops.. Sorry!~ |
Lamebert whoehahaha 27.12.2018 20:38 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan, you’re a fucking idiot and you’re proving it yourself. Dumbass |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.12.2018 22:57 |
I'm an idiot the page wouldn't load and I had to press 'post message' several times? Do us a favor and piss off. Maybe a hobby would be a good idea for you since you have so much free time to spend trolling. |
Katydyd5 28.12.2018 02:47 |
Hi Sweet, For some reason the page loads slowly for many of us and we've all made the same mistake. Just click once and it will post eventually. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 28.12.2018 03:37 |
thanks! Yeah it was greyed out so I assumed it wasn’t working. Odd! |
Lamebert whoehahaha 28.12.2018 09:05 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan you’re a pathetic retard. And as most of us are champions here, we don’t want crying losers like you here. So go fuck yourself and go back to your mummys tittie |
thundergod 28.12.2018 23:26 |
Hey All, I am still in New York but just wanted to remind everyone of our IGNORE and ISOLATE policy... it really works. |
Katydyd5 29.12.2018 00:55 |
Nice to see you Thor. Hope you are enjoying your time in NY. Will you be in Times Square for the ball drop? Wherever you celebrate, have a Happy New Year. |
Lamebert whoehahaha 29.12.2018 01:35 |
Thor you can suck my d*ck....and that’s not an invitation you silly boy |
Rainbow61 29.12.2018 02:21 |
Thor and Lee, Keeping my fingers crossed that 2019 brings good news about the book. As 2018 soon comes to a close, I wish all of you a new year full of beautiful moments and much love and joy. |
Freddienotfreddy 29.12.2018 04:11 |
Hello everyone! I'm a luker and I have finally caught up on both threads and just want to say hello to all! |
Anniebee 29.12.2018 12:59 |
Welcome FreddienotFreddy! We’re on a bit of a hiatus at the moment, Thor and Lee will be back after the new year answering questions. It’s always nice to see Lurkers posting so feel free! Happy New Year everyone! Hope 2019 brings you everything you wish for! |
Blackvy 29.12.2018 13:45 |
Welcome Freddienotfreddy! It's nice to see another lurker. Feel free to participate and just remember to ignore trolls who sometimes come to bother. I wish you all a Happy New Year with the hope that you will have many blessings in the year to come :) |
Katydyd5 29.12.2018 13:48 |
Welcome Freddienotfreddy! I was a lurker for a long time before I finally decided I wanted to participate. This is a great bunch of people so jump in with questions or comments any time. Happy New Year to all!! |
Rainbow61 29.12.2018 18:47 |
To all you lovely "silent followers" aka lurkers....how about making your presence known this coming year? We'd love to hear from you! EVERYONE brings their own unique contribution/story to this thread. It doesn't matter if someone is a newbie or has a few thousands post to their credit. It doesn't matter if you have been following Freddie/Queen since the 70's or you just recently fell in love with their music because of the movie. We are all here to celebrate and learn about the wonderful Mr. Mercury. Welcome Freddienotfreddy! |
Catus 29.12.2018 22:31 |
Welcome Freddienotfreddy! (Nice username, BTW :)) Happy New Year everyone! Peace and love, Queen forever! ) Thor and Lee, good luck with your search!! |
Freddienotfreddy 30.12.2018 00:05 |
Thank you everyone for the welcome messages! Very happy to be able to interact with all of you who love Queen as much as I do. HAPPY NEW YEAR!! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.01.2019 00:51 |
Happy New Year, everyone! |
Saint Jiub 01.01.2019 01:43 |
Typically, I do not make resolutions based on a random day on the calendar ... but i will make an exception this year. I resolve to read THE BOOK next year ... no pressure ... |
Lamebert whoehahaha 01.01.2019 03:28 |
Thor and Lee, I’m not trolling when I say that I see your participation on this forum for what it is: a vehicle that you use to sell as many books as you can Just cashing in on Freddie...A real shame..,apparently friends will not always be friends |
Blenkolove 02.01.2019 00:38 |
Happy New Year's to you all!!!! 2019 has got to be Better, for sure!!!! Does any of the experts know.......why are there so few interviews with Freddie of the long hair days available on You Tube????? And do you think they'll ever release a Hyde Park dvd?????? Just curious........was sooo hoping with the release of Bohemian Rhapsody movie...would come a flood of ARCHIVED material!!!!!........one can only hope!!!! |
Katydyd5 02.01.2019 01:15 |
Blenkolove, I was hoping for new material too, and we may yet get some new things. I did just read an article that Rudi Dolezol is writing a book that will be out in the spring. I always enjoy seeing him in all of the "making of" videos, and of course, he and his partner did several Queen documentaries. He should have a new perspective on Freddie and the band. Thor and Lee's book is another new source to anticipate with eagerness. BTW, I'm no expert, just an obsessed fan. |
Katydyd5 02.01.2019 01:30 |
Here's the link to the article about Rudi. link |
Blenkolove 02.01.2019 03:36 |
Thank you for reply Katydyd! I've been an obsessed fan since I first got a glimpse of Mr Mercury!! I look forward to Any and All new material regarding Freddie!! I know Thor and Lee's book will find it's way to us!! And now Rudi's.....just made my night!! Thanks again for the info......i'll be watching Frddie giggle as he proclaims his love for the word Beelzabub for like a hundred more times on Y T!!!!!! |
DCQueenLuvr 02.01.2019 04:20 |
Happy New Year, everyone. I just bought my tickets to the 2019 Queen tour. Is anyone else going? Also, I just found this interview of Peter Freestone from last June. Like Thor, he expresses regret that the movie "Bohemian Rhapsody" doesn't show Freddie's fun-loving side. link |
Rainbow61 02.01.2019 05:53 |
Hi DCQueenLuvr... I bought my tickets the day they went on sale! |
Katydyd5 02.01.2019 13:50 |
I have my tickets!! Like Rainbow, I got them the day they went on sale. I don't know what I was doing back in the day, but I missed multiple chances to see Queen live. I figure this is my only chance to see Brian and Roger and hear the music live. I'm excited! |
love2spin 02.01.2019 13:57 |
Floor Seats MSG 08/06/19. Can't wait! |
Lamebert whoehahaha 02.01.2019 17:57 |
Thor and Lee, why don’t you write on the abba fan forum? That would suit you so much better! Money, money, money Must be funny In the rich man's world Money, money, money Always sunny In the rich man's world Aha aha All the things I could do If I had a little money It's a rich man's world It's a rich man's world |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 02.01.2019 17:59 |
Honestly, there's a lack of Freddie interviews on Youtube in general. |
Anniebee 02.01.2019 18:46 |
I’d like to see more Freddie interviews on YouTube too, I love watching his mannerisms and hearing him mess around with the interviewer. |
Catus 02.01.2019 19:16 |
Yes, I got my tickets during the pre-sale day, so excited for the concert. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 03.01.2019 00:30 |
@DCQUEENLUVR Yeah, from what we've heard from friends Freddie was hilarious and fun loving. I wish we had that in that film. I also wish they had portrayed Peter and Joe. They were huge parts of his life for a long time. |
Freddienotfreddy 03.01.2019 01:36 |
Just purchased my tickets for the show this summer in Houston. Can not wait! |
Freddienotfreddy 03.01.2019 01:44 |
I love watching Freddie interviews. His speaking voice was lovely. It is also very interesting to hear how his voice changed from the early interviews to the latter ones. I'm pretty sure I read on ask Phoebe that Freddie first started smoking because he didn't like the way his hands flew all over the place when he talked, so he thought holding a cigarette would give him something to do with his hands while he talked, but Freddie then liked the edge smoking gave his voice during the '80s. When comparing interviews from the '70s to the ones in the '80s his speaking voice is also a bit deeper in the '80s, possibly due to the cigs as well as aging. |
Rainbow61 03.01.2019 06:26 |
Freddienotfreddy....I also love Freddie's speaking voice and especially the way he laughs. I know the link for this short clip has been posted before, so for many it will not be new...but it is completely delightful!!! link I am also very excited about the concert...will be seeing it at the Xfinity Center near Boston. |
Blenkolove 03.01.2019 11:53 |
Rainbow....THAT WAS PRICELESS!! Thanks for the morning lift!!!!!!!!! |
Katydyd5 03.01.2019 12:47 |
Thanks Rainbow. Freddie's laugh is contagious. When you can find a clip or video that shares the laugh, it is a delight. I like "the making of One Vision" because there is so much laughter in that one. He must have been a lot of fun. |
NotQuiteAShilling 04.01.2019 04:48 |
Hello Queenzone group - I am so happy to find you! I have read through both threads. Wow what a ride. I found this when I saw a review online about the movie and it said exactly what I felt about not capturing the energy, joy, humor, and sharp wit of Freddie. Turns out that review was from Thor, which led me here. I am so excited for Thor and Lee's book. Can I still make a donation to the GoFundMe page? Could Phoebe be a help with finding a publisher since he has written 2 books? I am loving the stories and anecdotes. I feel like I have found buried treasure. This could be Heaven.... |
Rainbow61 04.01.2019 06:15 |
Welcome NotQuiteAShilling! I am glad you have found this forum. It's great that new people like you are making your way to this group because of the enthusiasm you all bring! |
Freddienotfreddy 04.01.2019 06:43 |
Rainbow61, That was a very cute clip...I actually had not heard that one before. Absolutely love is posh English accent with just a little hint of an Indian accent as well. His laugh is great...such a full laugh. |
thundergod 04.01.2019 07:49 |
Well, I am back home and have finally recovered from EST. Listen all, I know that I promised answers to the several pre-Christmas questions that I left behind. Would you all please allow me to work heavily this month on the publishing pursuit? You all have been fantastic at welcoming the new-comers. Please keep that up for me and Lee. I want to double-down on attracting a publisher, which takes a lot of work and time. Please re-ask any questions I did not get to some time in February. Thank you for your understanding NOW...let's get this book published! Our Love to all on QZ,- those here for a long time as well as all of the newly participating fans. With much care and friendliness, Thor (and on behalf of Lee). |
Katydyd5 04.01.2019 13:53 |
Welcome NotQuiteAShilling! This is a good group of people who share a love for Freddie. Thor and Lee have been so generous with their answers to questions and don't seem to mind answering the same questions for new people who may have missed the original. I know I did that more than once in the beginning. Thor, by all means, pursue a publisher!! I know nothing about the publishing world so I can't begin to imagine the time you need to put in to get this book to us. Oh, BTW, NotQuite, yes you can still contribute to Thor's Go Fund Me page. Do you need the link? |
Katydyd5 04.01.2019 13:57 |
FreddienotFreddy, have you seen the video of the making of I'm Going Slightly Mad? I just found one that contains a bit more of Freddie's reaction to the penguin poop. It's cute, and the clip also includes the part where he tells them to clean the couch as only Freddie could. |
Katydyd5 04.01.2019 14:18 |
I tried to find the link for the I'm Going Slightly Mad, but the only one I have is from FB so I'm not sure everyone can access it. link There are many videos that show the "making of", but the one I've attached has Freddie's reaction to cleaning the seat. |
Anniebee 04.01.2019 14:20 |
Welcome to the thread NotQuiteAShilling! I know the feeling of reading through the two threads, lots of ups and downs but there are so many nice people here that share a love and understanding of Freddie that not many others do. Rainbow, I love that clip of audio and love hearing Freddie's laugh, its such a great laugh! I first heard the audio on Instagram but I wonder if there is more audio like that out there. Thor, you know we're here to support you so whatever it takes or however long it takes, we've got you! :) |
Born to love you 04.01.2019 14:50 |
Hello Thor, Lee and everyone happy new year. This is my first post on this forum despite reading every page on this thread. I think it is great how two of Freddie’s friends contribute on here and they seem like good guys. I never had the chance to see Queen in concert, I was around 15 at the time of the Wembley shows but wasn’t the huge fan back then that I was to become later. Just a quick story, My dad doesn’t know much about modern music he prefers stuff from the 50s,knowing how much I like Freddie he mentioned about 10 years ago that one of his drinking pals in London was a driver for Mr Mercury. Anyway I met him in the pub one night and he said that he was a chauffeur for other celebrities too but Freddie was a lovely guy and a big loss, i have to be honest I wasn’t sure if I believed him but others said that he did indeed drive for him sometimes. He called his daughters who brought down a photo album of themselves with Freddie when they were babies, I was very impressed! Good luck with the book guys I hope a publisher is sensible enough to give you a deal, Queen are huge again right now, surely they will see sense, all the best Gary |
paulprenter 04.01.2019 18:44 |
Thor and Lee, I’m looking forward for the book! I hope there will be a lot of disco anecdotes in it! |
NotQuiteAShilling 04.01.2019 19:53 |
Thank you for the warm welcome guys! I have also heard that audio Rainbow and it is pure joy isn't it? I hope that there is more out there yet to be discovered. Katydyd5 the penguin poop and the behind the scenes footage of Freddie and his couch cleaning demands - too funny! What a great story Born to Love You! Thank you for sharing! Thor and Lee - thank you for allowing us to be "flies on the wall" for your adventures with Freddie in the early 80's. Such a gift! |
NotQuiteAShilling 04.01.2019 20:06 |
Katydyd5 I found the GoFundMe and donated |
Anniebee 04.01.2019 20:29 |
Welcome Born to love you! I love hearing stories about meeting people who have met Freddie at some point, that's cool that you got to see the photos! I'm similar to you, I knew of Queen back in the day but they weren't what I listened to, I have since remedied that! |
Blackvy 04.01.2019 21:02 |
Welcome NotQuiteAShilling and Born to love you! It's nice to see new people on this thread :) Thor!, I hope you can pursue a publisher, I'm looking forward for the book! Hugs to you all! |
thundergod 04.01.2019 22:22 |
Paul Prenter? Seriously? or is that just your QZ nickname? |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.01.2019 22:36 |
Not the best choice for a username |
Rainbow61 05.01.2019 02:18 |
Hi "Born to love you"...welcome to Queenzone! I never saw Queen in concert either. How I would love to go back in time and have that chance again! Thanks for the wonderful story. I always enjoy hearing about those nice interactions people have had with Freddie who seems to be consistently referred to as a "lovely" man. Anniebee and NotQuiteAShilling... Yes, it would be great if some new, undiscovered video or audio of Freddie came to light. Spontaneous encounters tend to not to be recorded..so they are the most valuable. I especially love the couple of Queen outtakes I have heard with the guys getting a bit huffy with each other....those are rather funny...especially this one with Freddie trying to be the calming presence....(again, nothing new to those who have been here a while) link Thor and Lee...glad you feel renewed and are |
Rainbow61 05.01.2019 02:20 |
Oops...I didn't finish my sentence... Thor and Lee...glad you feel renewed and are still working hard to make this book happen! |
thundergod 05.01.2019 02:25 |
Hey Rainbow, I got a great lead that I mentioned in the GoFundMe updates. I will also be sending query letters to many, many others. This will be my job for the New Year until it happens. |
Rainbow61 05.01.2019 02:34 |
Hi Thor, That's really encouraging...I know it's a big task, but you guys sound very focused. Your QZ rooting section is still behind you all the way! |
Katydyd5 05.01.2019 03:34 |
Just read your update Thor, and that publisher does sound encouraging. I'm glad you are so focused on your goal. We WILL get that book!! |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.01.2019 06:27 |
Rainbow thank you! I have never heard that one before. Roger's not happy at all and Freddy just keeps saying "Take Two" Another argument here with mainly Brian again and Freddie: link |
Freddienotfreddy 05.01.2019 07:10 |
Hi Katydyd5, I have seen that clip before. I love that Freddie was still getting such a thrill and surge of creativity with his work while in the last stages of his illness. |
Freddienotfreddy 05.01.2019 07:13 |
Hi NotQuiteAShilling, The was Freddie spits out "puurfect" at Brian,,,it such a British argument..lol |
Freddienotfreddy 05.01.2019 07:21 |
Also, Katydy5, I think one of my favorite "making of" is the one for Radio Ga Ga. It isn't very long (at least not the one I've found), but I love it. For starters,I think Freddie is abosulutely gorgeous in the clip. I actually think the time around The Works album is Freddie at his sexiest. The clip is also funny with Freddie continually flubbling the lyrics during the play back and having to check his notes he has hidden in the flying car. Then he appears to be having trouble reading the notes and has to hold the paper at arm's length. Roger is still also full blonde pretty in it also. link |
Freddienotfreddy 05.01.2019 07:37 |
This is another of my favorite videos. It has everything! It shows Freddie's absolute disgust with lip syncing while he also looks terrific. link |
Katydyd5 05.01.2019 14:20 |
Freddienotfreddy, I enjoy almost any "making of" video I can find. I particularly like Radio Ga Ga, The Great Pretender, and One Vision. I like to see the process but also the fun they had together. One of the things I like about I'm Going Slightly Mad is the interaction between Freddie and Rudi. Freddie is obviously in very poor health in the video and his painfully thin body is difficult to see. But I'm so impressed by his strength and desire to keep working. He discusses every step with Rudi, including whether the couch is too long. That's attention to detail for sure! He's clearly bothered by the poop and he tries to move Rudi's feet away from the spot while the tech is cleaning it, and then worries about crawling down the carpet. It's the inside glimpses of the man that touch me. That's why I'm so happy to learn anything that Thor and Lee care to share. We all know the powerful force Freddie was on stage, it's who he was behind the scenes that intrigues me. |
Anniebee 05.01.2019 15:42 |
Thanks for sharing all of these clips!! By far my favorite is the making of One Vision link Too funny and you can see how Freddie worked in the studio, love it! |
thundergod 05.01.2019 20:36 |
It's official...the latest troll has been erased and blocked! Thank you QZ management. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 05.01.2019 21:00 |
Well...good riddance!!!!!!! Hi all. Nice to see the many salutations. As I have said before Happy “Everything” to everyone. Thor and I have been picking over the manuscript, “enhancing” (is the word I’m using) details. It’s great to be thinking about those times yet again. Here’s to a perfect 2019 |
Saint Jiub 05.01.2019 23:18 |
"As far as Queenzone is concerned our old trolls are deceased. They cease to exist in any capacity with us whatsoever. One leaves them behind like one leaves excreta. We feel so relieved!" |
Iron Butterfly 06.01.2019 02:01 |
Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: Well...good riddance!!!!!!! Hi all. Nice to see the many salutations. As I have said before Happy “Everything” to everyone. Thor and I have been picking over the manuscript, “enhancing” (is the word I’m using) details. It’s great to be thinking about those times yet again. Here’s to a perfect 2019Good luck about the book. Happy new year to you and Thor. ( I have posted a couple of times n this thread ) |
Catus 06.01.2019 04:57 |
Good luck Thor and Lee!! Keeping fingers crossed for your success! |
FreddieDarling 06.01.2019 23:10 |
Hi Folks Thrilled the Troll has been given the Spanish Archer! Some people can't wait to try to spoil other people innocent good fun! I am in total agreement re Freddie in the Radio Ga Ga video. Scrumptious! Has any man ever in the history of the world suited a moustache better than our Freddie?! They all looked like they were having such fun. BTW have we all read the latest IQFC magazine and read how Freddie got hold of that policeman's helmet he wore when singing (you're so square) baby I don't care At the Wembley 86 concert ? And about Freddie's early days in England after arriving from Zanzibar? Didn't know that it was Jer's sister they had initially stayed with! Even gives all the dates if their early addresses on Freddie's citizenship application form. Imagine if you lived in one of the previous two houses prior to their move to Gladstone Avenue and discovering you live in a house where Freddie Mercury used to live! Good Luck to Rami tonight! Also good luck to Thor and Lee in finding a publisher this year! Happy New Year to you all. Kindest Regards FreddieDarling ( the lurker) |
Blenkolove 07.01.2019 04:15 |
OMG.....RAMI WON!!....GO FREDDIE!!!! WOOHOOOO!! |
Blenkolove 07.01.2019 04:21 |
OMG ...OMG!!! BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY WON !!!!! GO FREDDIE GO QUEEN GO ALL FAB QUEEN FANS!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOHOOOOO LOVE YA FREDDIE! I JUST KNOW YOUR WATCHING! |
Katydyd5 07.01.2019 04:25 |
They did it!!!!!!!!!! Freddie wanted to be a legend...……..who could have imagined!! I'm so excited!! |
Rainbow61 07.01.2019 04:27 |
Congratulations Rami Malek. I am BEYOND excited for your Golden Globe award! Thank you for honoring the brilliance of Freddie and pouring your heart into telling his story. Brian, Roger, and John...how proud you must be. Congratulations to you as well! |
Rainbow61 07.01.2019 05:19 |
I hope the worldwide collective cheers and utter excitement and delight about the movie win reach into the heavens! The final words in Rami’s speech said it all "I love you, you beautiful man. This is for and because of you, gorgeous!” |
FreddieDarling 07.01.2019 13:22 |
A BIG congratulations to Rami Malek and under everybody concerned with making the film! Mazeltov !!!! ?? Thought Rami's acceptance speech was very nicely put, especially the closing valediction honouring Freddie. He seems like a thoroughly likeable, modest, charming man, just like somebody else we all know and love. Well done to you all! Fingers crossed for The Oscar's! And the Bafta's |
FreddieDarling 07.01.2019 13:24 |
Another bloomin' typo! I actually typed indeed NOT under! Predictive text is the invention of Beelzebub! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 07.01.2019 17:03 |
I'm happy they won, but disgusted when a commercial was played for Loreal lipstick with "Don't Stop Me Now" playing in the background. It felt really gross. |
thundergod 07.01.2019 20:43 |
CONGRATULATIONS to Brian, Roger, Rami and all who worked on "Bohemian Rhapsody" . I had issues at the way Freddie's wonderful nature and true, fun-loving personality were downplayed. I certainly see, however, why the movie is such a success around the world... it is all because of Freddie and the way Rami Malek embodied his unique mannerisms and musical genius. Freddie, you've done it again! We all love you, dear friend. P.S. I Googled box office movie earnings and it says that "Bohemian Rhapsody" is currently in 7th place for all time revenue from a movie. Does anyone know if this is true? |
Rainbow61 07.01.2019 22:05 |
Hi Thor, I don't think it is the 7th highest grossing movie of all time....but it is the certainly the Number 1 music-biopic film of all time! |
Anniebee 07.01.2019 22:14 |
Thor, I believe it’s the 13th highest of 2018 in US. I did see an article that it’s the highest ranked LGBT movie of all time, doubling the amount earned by the Birdcage. Either way, though we didn’t get what we wanted out of Freddie, it was still a good flick! |
thundergod 07.01.2019 23:32 |
But check this out...it says number 8 worldwide link |
thundergod 07.01.2019 23:33 |
Oops- but just for 2018...not the record...my bad |
thundergod 08.01.2019 00:25 |
Well, I just got permission to introduce you all to the song that our longtime QZ friend, Robby Bloodshed collaborated on with his friend, Ripsnorter (aka Jamey) as a tribute to Freddie Mercury, with all proceeds going to the Freddie Mercury Phoenix Trust. Wow, such love for Freddie...it's incredible and wonderful that Freddie is so much coming back to us at this time! Have a listen and please read the commentary from both Jamey and Robby...pretty impressive. link for itunes it is : link Enjoy, Thor |
V2727V 08.01.2019 00:57 |
Hi everyone! I’ve been lurking for a little while now, but with every intention of posting once I finished both threads. Success! I’ve been a fan of Queen since I stumbled across one of their songs on the radio at age 8 in the mid-90s. I’ve been in love ever since. It continues to break my heart that Freddie Mercury passed away before I knew he existed. However, the fact that Queen’s music and Freddie’s charisma have been able to create new fans (and sustain original fans) decades after he passed speaks volumes! Thank you all for such an informative and entertaining forum and thread! Extra-special gratitude to Thor and Lee for sharing their personal memories of Freddie. |
Rainbow61 08.01.2019 02:00 |
Welcome V2727V, I know what you mean. Interspersed with all those wonderful moments I have listening to Freddie, I definitely have times when I look at him and feel such a deep sadness that he left us so young...knowing that he had years of new music left to grace our world. However, I am excited about this the tidal wave of Freddie and Queen love!!! |
Rainbow61 08.01.2019 02:03 |
Oops....last sentence...not "this the"...just "this" |
Catus 08.01.2019 05:13 |
I was so happy when I heard of their victory! To be honest, never really cared about these ceremonies but yesterday I found myself nervously checking the news every 5 minutes ) Hurray, and Queen forever! Congrats to all of us! |
NotQuiteAShilling 08.01.2019 05:21 |
So exciting to watch the Golden Globes and see the wins! I must say that listening to Rami and his words thanking Queen and Freddie made me so thankful to him. He very obviously has a complete reverence for Freddie Mercury and that really comes through. Wow. You can tell what an honor it was for him to play Freddie and what Queen fan wouldn't appreciate that?! Yes the movie had issues, I am the first to agree. But the fact that it has brought Queen back front and center where they belong, and brought a whole new generation to love them makes me happy. And that all of this was honored by the Golden Globes makes me VERY happy. |
Rainbow61 08.01.2019 05:57 |
NotQuiteAShilling. Wonderfully put...I couldn't agree more! Rami's respect for Freddie and the responsibility he feels to honoring his legacy is very touching to see. You can tell this was more than just an acting role for him. |
DCQueenLuvr 08.01.2019 17:46 |
Thor, I just listened to Robby and Ripsnorter's single. Can definitely hear Queen's influence there. Very cool song. I recently came upon this interesting interview with Freddy given shortly after A Day at the Opera was released in late '75. He claims that "Love of My Life," which everyone assumes is about Mary, isn't personal at all. This makes sense since he and Mary didn't break up until the following year. link I've also just finished reading the updated version (from 2008) of David Evans' and David Minns' book about Freddie. You can read the most interesting bits for free online here by clicking on "Look Inside." link |
Katydyd5 08.01.2019 22:39 |
DCQueenLuvr, I love the Minns/Evans book because there were lots of little tidbits and gems that were new to me. I find Diana Mosely very interesting and imagine she could share some stories! I did see her panel discussion at Montreux and wanted her to go on for so much longer. She gave some good insights into Freddie in the book. I also liked hearing from some lesser known people from the early years who shared their stories. The last section is difficult, but the fact is, it is part of his life. It was lovely to see so many people honor him. He must have been such a force of nature. I listened to Robby and Ripsnorters single twice last night. Any chance we could see the lyrics? I thought the commentary pieces were so touching. Seeing two young men so influenced by Freddie and Queen says something about the lasting joy of their music. It means so much to so many people. |
FreddieDarling 09.01.2019 09:47 |
Hi Folks I was watching BBC Breakfast this morning and caught the video they showed of The Queen's Guards band playing Bohemian Rhapsody (presumably in honour of the double win at the Golden Globes,cans the Battalion nomination) thought It'd share the YouTube link. Wouldn't our Freddie be proud! As he himself would put it, he'd be grinning from his arsevto his elbow, my dears. ???? I loved it. Makes me proud to be English! ???????? link |
FreddieDarling 09.01.2019 09:48 |
Regards the ??????'s I forgot emojis don't work here! They were smileys and flags *sigh* |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 09.01.2019 23:27 |
Wow...what a great week for everything Freddie. I was glued to TV when those tw awards were announced. Jamey...BRAVO DIVO! I like the turn the blog has taken since the unsavory have disappeared. The fact that so many people are sharing wonderful thoughts is exciting, and I’m so thrilled that I have a part in it. I love sharing these stories about Freddie because so many people never got to experience or know anything about this side of him. |
FreddieDarling 09.01.2019 23:34 |
Am I really boring? :-( I never seen to get any replies or response on my admittedly few posts. I can't think of any interesting questions that haven't been asked yet and don't want to ask really personal questions about Freddie. Hope Bo Rhap and Rami do well at the Bafta's and Oscars, too. Take Care, all. Kind Regards |
FreddieDarling 09.01.2019 23:52 |
Have you all received your OIQFC Winter 2018 Magazine? It's a good one. There's a nice article on how Freddie acquired that Policeman's helmet at the Wembley 1986 concert, plus a contribution from a man who was a student of Brian's when he did a stint as a maths teacher. And about Freddie's early days in England arriving from Zanzibar, including his citizenship application form,. I learned that it was Jer's sister who the Bulsara"s family stayed with when they first arrived before moving to 22 Gladstone Avenue. It was an interesting read. |
thundergod 10.01.2019 00:42 |
Dear FreddieDarling, I certainly apologize if I, personally have missed any of your questions. I am really making a six to seven hour a day effort to find a publisher. It is time-consuming pursuit as almost every individual publisher or publishing company wants tweaking of our query and proposal to fit their requirements. (i.e. "no more than 100 words" here or" no less than 200 words" there. "submit in DocX only" or "submit in PDF only", etc. etc. Please bear with me during this ramped up phase of making sure our book gets published and ASAP. |
thundergod 10.01.2019 01:31 |
CONGRATULATIONS THREAD FOLLOWERS- Exciting News for all of our QueenZone followers. The other day I discovered the list of the total number of replies to each individual thread. If you don't know (which I didn't for the whole 19 months I've been on here), the following will get you there. Click on "Talk" at the top of the screen where it lists Home-Band-Talk-Information-etc. Then, click on "Forums" Then, "Queen - GENERAL Discussions" Well, I looked at the number of replies since I joined QZ on July 17th of 2017. ....and the Queen Zoney awards go to: # of replies (1) thundergod * GOLD * 2246 (2) thundergod and "Kathleen" *SILVER* 1743 (3) GoldenSalmon *BRONZE* 556 * HONORABLE MENTIONS* (4) YourValentine 372 (5) Dysan 300 (6) Sparkle 296 ***ALSO...if you come across some of our favorite troll's names over these years, you will see that most of their attempts at "Hate Threads" are all totally wiped off the site!!! My own original thread went from 147 pages to 113 pages with a great deal of the troll input DELETED. Thank you, Mr. Richard Orchard, (CEO/General Manager of QueenZone.com). |
Blenkolove 10.01.2019 02:14 |
Freddiedarling, could you tell me the magazine you refer to???.....i think I can guess it ends with 'Queen Fan Club' but what's OI part?? How do I get such periodical ?? TY Thor, and Thor and Kathleen....CONGRATS ON YOUR GOLD AND SILVER AWARD!!! Also.....happy to learn that Trolls are obliterated!!! .....Now Get That Book Published!!!....Puh-leez!!!! |
Katydyd5 10.01.2019 02:32 |
FreddieDarling, you are not boring at all! I've meant to comment on several of your posts, but I just haven't gotten to it. Actually, your comments on the IQFC magazine interested me. Is it an actual print magazine or is it online? I don't belong to that group officially, though I do follow their FB page. I don't remember what the cost to join is, but I think I remember it was kind of steep for me at the time I checked it out. However, both of the articles you mentioned interest me so I might have to investigate again. I did see the video of The Queen's Guards playing Bohemian Rhapsody and thought it was great. Are you on FaceBook? Did you happen so see the Ohio State Band open the football season this fall with a tribute to Queen? If not, I'll find the video and post the link. I'm always delighted when anyone honors Queen and Freddie in any way. Thor, I'm not at all surprised that you guys have the Gold award for posts. I think it is the atmosphere you've set here. It allows people to feel safe in what can sometimes be a very contentious place. (QZ) It has been so much fun to "meet" other fans from all over and share thoughts. But most of all, the generosity you and Lee have shown in sharing your dear friend has been something I would never have expected to find. I knew who both of you were before you even began your thread, and because of that, I felt both shy and kind of awed. I mean, here you were, THE NY Daughters. How lovely it has been to find you both to be real and genuine people. Lee , I'm so glad the administrators finally stepped in and removed some of the posts. I've never understood people who need to be ugly just for the sake of hurting other people. I think we were very successful in our isolate and ignore campaigns, but it was still painful to read some of the things that were being said. Hopefully we won't have to do that again, but if we do, we know how to band together to shut them down. Thanks to all who post here and share questions, information and feelings. Even when the board has periods of inactivity I check in every day just to make sure I don't miss anything. |
Katydyd5 10.01.2019 02:46 |
I can't resist. It's a bit on the long side, but try to stick with it to the end. The Ohio State Marching Band is well known in the states and this tribute to Queen is fun. link |
Blenkolove 10.01.2019 03:01 |
Katydid...THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING!!! THAT LINE FORMATION AND THOSE TWO 'FLAGS' WERE ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!! |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.01.2019 03:18 |
Katydid - Amazing!!!! Those bicycles and the wheels turning..are you kidding me?! Ha! That was Great! FreddieDarling - the Royal Guard YES! I know Freddie would get such a HUGE kick out of that! HE's smiling Arse to elbow for sure |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.01.2019 03:28 |
Lee and Thor CONGRATS on the Silver and Gold! AND....for expunging the trolls - whoot whoot! When I was catching up on the 2 threads there were some ugly ones for sure. Nice job Darling Freddie - yes please tell us more about the magazine. I'd love the read the police hat story Thanks to everyone for all the great links. It's so much fun checking them all out. YouTube has given up suggesting Freddie/Queen videos to me haha I've watched them all |
thundergod 10.01.2019 03:44 |
I hope everyone got the joke that those awards were just made up by me in jest..... but the numbers are very accurate, the awards are not. Maybe my fault for not being funnier than I thought. |
Freddienotfreddy 10.01.2019 06:54 |
I love all the links everyone shares. Thank you all so much. I love being shown new articles, videos, books etc about Freddie and Queen. |
Rainbow61 10.01.2019 07:09 |
Thor and Lee, Almost 4,000 posts on the combined threads. I think that is pretty darn AMAZING! It certainly reflects the fun atmosphere you guys have created...and I am so grateful. That so many people enjoy sharing and leaning about Freddie is testimony to what a rare and captivating person he was. |
thundergod 10.01.2019 07:37 |
Perfectly said Rainbow, Freddie is an inspiration to all generations and continues gaining in popularity as he looks down on us from above We Love You Freddie !!!! |
Freddienotfreddy 10.01.2019 08:11 |
You all may already be familiar with this, but I accidently found this site that gives details of all Queen concerts along with pictures, links to interviews and reviews, etc. I found it very entertaining and informative. There is a part where Brian talks about how they were so on fire and in sync during the Wembley 1986 shows and they had no idea it would be close to their last time performing together that was heartbreaking. link |
Freddienotfreddy 10.01.2019 08:30 |
This is a fun article. Freddie talks about almost being crushed by Roger's drum kit and Roger spraying Brian in the face with hairspray during a fight. I would have loved to witness some their rows. link |
FreddieDarling 10.01.2019 09:06 |
Hi Folks! :-) Thanks for the responses. Thor: I think I have only asked a couple of questions, but that as a while back and I can actually remember them now. I quite understand you can't answer them all at once. Don't worry, we all have"lives" which get in the way of such things :-) Blenkolove and Katydyd5 the magazine I refer to is the Official International Queen Fan Club run by Jacky Smith. It costs £25 per year within the UK for a print version and £20 for pdf sent info only. Not sure about the rest of the world. You get 2 magazines per year now, plus perks of special signed copies of books etc. Advanced booking for concerts and events plus access to the online archive of every single copy of the magazine, right from the first newsletter ! That is worth the subscription on its own! If the Thread owners (Thor and Lee and indeed Richard Orchard) think it would be allowed I'd happily send a PDF copy to anyone who wants to private message me with their email address. I pay for the printed versions, but have access to the archived data, too including the latest one. Love the story of the Bulsara"s arrival in the UK.They must have felt very cramped at first, I imagine. If their arrival in the UK isn't a good reason for bigots to accept immigration then I I don't know what is!! So, if it's OK to, PM me and I'm happy to share. :-) No. I don't really do FB but yes I did see the fabulous Ohio State marching band with their Queen medley when they played in formation! WOW! They were so impressive! That's all for now folks. Have a good Thursday! Bye for now! :+) |
Katydyd5 10.01.2019 16:17 |
Thor, LOL, you got me. I thought those awards were real. I'm so gullible! Actually it was pretty funny! |
thundergod 10.01.2019 16:39 |
Hey FreddieDarling, I would think that making e-mail connections with QZ members is perfectly ok. I communicate with some members who have made their e-mail address available to me and vice-versa. These same members have not stopped participating in the forum. My only dilemma is trying to match their real name with their QZ name and then remember who is who. ( I am ashamed to say). P.S. A while back, a few QZ members told me that Jacky has expressed that she does not care for our forum thread nor support publication of our book - just sayin' |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 10.01.2019 17:23 |
It's good to see you again, Thor! Did you have a good time in Palm Springs? I haven't been there in a few months and I'm itching to go back and veg in a pool with a drink in my hand. I'd love to email if you're up for it some day. I'm also in SoCal (WeHo, to be specific). |
Villiers2 10.01.2019 22:05 |
Jacky and I got into it when I was trying to spread the word about the book and just to get an idea of the number of people intrested, I told Lee I would start a petition and have a headcount on hand to show the book publishers. Lee was kind enough to give me a call about it and he seemed thrilled. Im always happy to help the daughters when I can. Jacky was quick to turn it down and twist it into something it never was. "Why are they cashing in on him? They just want to get money with the movie coming out." I replied with "Like you did with your book months after his death or like you did when you forged autographs of his and sold them at auction with a letter of authenticity you created?" She deleted the comments and shut up pretty quick lmao. In the autograph collecting world she's known as the one who took secretarial signatures too far. Plenty of artists have sec sigs when the demand gets too high, but they usually use stamps of genuine signatures or at the very least, do not issue their own certificate of authenticity and then SELL them as genuine. Jacky was doing that for so many years, Julien's, RR and Christie's auction houses turn everything from the fan club away. Regardless of it's provenance. I would also love to see a receipt for the donation homegirl made with the payments she got for interviews in B-list unofficial documentaries . Surely Ms High and Mighty donated her earnings off Freddie to Freddie's AIDS charity since she was so concerned about his friends cashing in. But if that was the case, one has to wonder why she deleted my question about it and then deleted the post entirely :) *cough cough* |
FreddieDarling 10.01.2019 22:42 |
Thank you, Thor for your response. I am saddened and surprised to hear that Jacky Smith is so against the idea of your book. Why? Freddie had nothing to be ashamed of with his friendship with you! And I'm certain anyway, given the amount of respect that you always show toward Freddie that you would not print anything you might conceivably consider defamatory or harmful to his memory and legacy. If anybody nowadays cannot handle the fact that Freddie was gay without getting an attack of "the vapours' then they seriously need to get an education ! Your idea for your book takes nothing away from Queen's own fan club. Peter Freestone wrote his books about life with Freddie but they're eager enough to request his presence at conventions all the time to draw in the paying customers! Hypocrisy! (BTW I gave immense respect and fondness for our dear Phoebe and loved his books) I wish you every luck in getting this book published and am so looking forward to it. Kind Regards FreddieDarling |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 10.01.2019 23:26 |
Thor- what are your thoughts on Phoebe? I can only form an opinion from interviews and his book and I felt that he described Freddie with dignity and love. I could be totally wrong, but he seems like a good egg to me. |
thundergod 10.01.2019 23:46 |
Thank you Villiers and FreddieDarling, So, that will end the conversation about Ms. Jacky. Please do not respond with any comments about this subject. I'm sure she regrets her mistakes. If you feel you must, please just send me a PM about any of this. I kind of started it and I should really have taken my own advice. I should not have spoken about it in public on the thread. So the white flag has just been put up BEFORE the war. Back to positive things that everyone here likes. Soooooo, I just sent out three new publisher queries. Fingers crossed everyone.! Let me also tell you that I just accepted an offer from Jamey (Ripsnort) to co-write a new song with him dedicated to Freddie. Quite an honor. I'm scared as hell but we'll see what I might be able to come up with. 100 years ago, in college, I got an A+ in poetry (half of it in writing poetry). What the heck???? Anyway, it is sure to be a lot of FUN! Love ya, Thor |
thundergod 11.01.2019 00:02 |
Peter Freestone is one of the most loving, dedicated, kind, level-headed, self-sacrificing, industrious, and one of the smartest and creative individuals I have ever met. Oh, did I mention that he can cook his way and impress guests at any sort of dining, whether formal or casual? Also, he can do 6 or 7 tasks at the simultaneously and keep everything organized. Nah, I didn't like him and I can certainly see why he was left out of the movie...NOT! Freddie absolutely depended on him for EVERYTHING. I would say that after 1980 until the end, he was singularly the most important person in his life, unknown to the public, but more important than even the lady in his life and the several special gentlemen! |
thundergod 11.01.2019 00:06 |
Sorry, please remove "at the" It should have been deleted when I changed the phrase from "all at the same time" to "simultaneously". |
Villiers2 11.01.2019 01:03 |
My friend had lunch with Peter back in July and asked him about the movie. He said he had no say in the script at all but was heavily involved with the recreation of Garden Lodge. I think too many people come down on him for the misrepresentation of Freddie in the film. He had nothing to do with it and couldn't change it. It would've been nice to see him in the film, not only represented as a character but as an Easter egg like they did with Lambert at the gas station. A split second, no lines, just a quick nod to them. Apparently Brian and Roger were in the film too for a split second as roadies. Imagine slurping down a Sprite in the theater and catching a glimpse of the real Peter Freestone feeding birds or something the background lol. Or having Peter run a record store and have the band walk in during their early days excited to see if their album can be purchased yet. "Excuse me? Have you got the new Queen album? I'M the singer, dahling. Freddie Mercury." Peter: "Freddie Who? Never heard of em." Brian said they would annoy record shop owners in the early days like that. Just hoping people noticed their first record. Can you imagine being Freddie Mercury and knowing you have talent and just waiting for the rest of the world to catch up with it? Lol |
matt z 11.01.2019 01:25 |
^Someone told me they were the roadies up towards the ceiling in the LIVE AID sequence, i DO remember that particular cut to those roadies being pretty pointless and LONG so i figured there was something odd about it but thought little else. (Since i felt that way about much of the rest of the film) As for Thor & Lee. I hope this project gets its wings and takes flight. Happy 2019! |
thundergod 11.01.2019 01:35 |
Well, hello again Mr Quiet (AKA The First Replier) MattZ. Thank you for the good wishes. We miss your intellectually twisted sense of humor here. Did you stop smoking pot?...LOL Welcome back brother! |
Blenkolove 11.01.2019 01:54 |
WOW Thor!!!! YOU GET TO COLLABORATE ON A SONG HONORING THE LENGEND, THE IMMORTAL, THE KING OF QUEEN???? Holy Hell. Batman....THIS MUST BE YOUR YEAR!!!! .....The Book, and now a song!!?? Congrats!!!! Keep us updated on Both projects!! ....looks like this is the year you get your Hammer back!! Lol Freddie would just be OVER THE MOON.....With all this love coming his way!!!!! |
Saint Jiub 11.01.2019 03:58 |
The following excerpted web article from Vox shows why the real side of Freddie needs to be truthfully told by Thor and Lee: ... Bohemian Rhapsody homophobia: link "Bohemian Rhapsody loves Freddie Mercury’s voice. It fears his queerness. ... The most telling moment in Bohemian Rhapsody, the Golden Globe-winning Queen biopic that occasionally stops singing to zoom in on its ostensible subject, Freddie Mercury, is almost certainly an accidental one. It arrives at the end of the film — July 1985, in the film’s historically inaccurate timeline — when Mercury (Rami Malek) decides to tell the other members of Queen the truth about himself shortly before the biggest concert of their lives. “I’ve got it,” he says. And they have no idea what “it” is. Of course they don’t. Though Bohemian Rhapsody spends most of its runtime paying lip service to the idea that Queen is a sort of dysfunctional misfit family, in that moment, the distance between Mercury and his bandmates is undisguisable. “It” has been looming over Mercury’s life for years. “It” has been stalking his community, stealing away people he loves, constantly reminding him of his mortality. Freddie Mercury’s reality, in 1985, was one in which “People just vanished, and everyone was in some kind of panic.” For Mercury, there was only one “it”: AIDS. But the other members of Queen had no idea what he was talking about. How could they? They were all straight. ... The result is far more hurtful than your average unconsciously homophobic film. Bohemian Rhapsody is a movie that consciously tries to position a gay man at its center while strategically disengaging with the “gay” part as much as it can, flitting briefly over his emotional and sexual experiences and fixating on his platonic relationship with an ex-girlfriend instead. It strips Mercury of a part of his identity that was as vital to his success as his four-octave vocal range. ... Bohemian Rhapsody’s toxic depiction of queerness is subtle but pervasive — and completely avoidable ... The movie reduces queer identity to a series of promiscuous sexual encounters, which it consistently frames as sordid, shameful, illicit, and corrupting. It also builds a whole annoying subplot around the “predatory gay villain” trope, which is a tired, obnoxious cliché that in Bohemian Rhapsody is even more problematic than usual because it’s used to imply that Mercury, a real-life gay man, was somehow corrupted into becoming queer by an opportunistic music industry parasite who doesn’t really care about Freddie at all. ... Bohemian Rhapsody also refuses to depict gay men having meaningful and deeply emotional relationships. The emotional development of Mercury’s romance with Jim Hutton, his partner of seven years, is relegated to a single conversation. Their entire loving, monogamous relationship is reduced onscreen to a single kiss and a brief hand squeeze. This minimization makes it an even worse offense that the film does take the time to depict Mercury having a series of promiscuous sexual encounters, which it paints as sordid and shameful. Because Bohemian Rhapsody only equates queerness with sex, and because it frames his queer lifestyle as bad, Mercury’s subsequent AIDS diagnosis is inherently set up and portrayed as a punishment for his queerness. Not only is all of this negligent, it’s actively harmful. There are numerous real-world examples of how equating queerness to sexually explicit content continues to hurt and marginalize people — such as the many YouTube vloggers and creators who are constantly fighting against algorithms that incorrectly flag their queer content as “explicit” and “not safe for work” solely because it concerns queer people. And the depiction of AIDS as a punishment for gayness, which has found voice in everything from doomsday preachers to Stephen King novels, has historically contributed to the deaths of millions by creating a huge stigma around the disease, making it difficult for researchers to gain public support in the fight for the cure and causing considerable obstacles for many who are diagnosed to receive equitable treatment. It boggles the mind that this needs to be said at all, but queer people have deep complexity that has nothing to do with sex or dying. Freddie Mercury, a man who wrote a song to his cat and once snuck Princess Diana into a club after disguising her in drag, had so much more personality than Bohemian Rhapsody allows him to have. |
Saint Jiub 11.01.2019 04:12 |
Continued ... Bohemian Rhapsody spends more time on Mercury’s wife than any other character, including Mercury himself To be fair to the film, Bohemian Rhapsody hardly wastes time on characterization at all; there’s almost no onscreen interiority in the film, despite star Rami Malek’s best efforts. Most of what’s there, however, is devoted to showing us how much Mercury loves his common-law wife, Mary Austin, who’s portrayed as personifying virginal beauty and traditional wholesomeness — everything Mercury could have, the film implies, if only he weren’t tragically queer. There’s a troubling pattern of movies like this one — for example, the Alan Turing biopic The Imitation Game, or the Cole Porter biopic De-Lovely — that diminish the real queer experiences of their subjects in favor of elevating their platonic friendships with the patient, chaste women in their lives. It’s true that Austin and Mercury had a meaningful and long-lasting friendship in real life. But Bohemian Rhapsody isn’t interested in exploring the positive aspects of their friendship, because it would apparently rather portray Mercury as lost, confused, and fixated on her, just as a straight man might be. After they break up — because Mercury is gay — Mercury pines for Austin. He longs for her to keep wearing her wedding ring. He’s jealous of her boyfriend. At one point, he begs her to come live with him again, only to be informed that she’s pregnant. This moment is portrayed as a catastrophe that will keep them apart forever — as if it’s unfortunate timing that’s at issue, rather than Mercury’s queer identity. The only overt sexual moments in the film — which, as it’s rated PG-13, are nearly nonexistent — are between the two of them. In one scene, she’s framed in a diaphanous gown against soft pastel backlighting, while he gazes at her lovingly and then tells her how beautiful she is. It’s a completely straightforward iteration of the (straight) male gaze. The camera never repeats this framing when Mercury is looking at the men around him, so we’re not allowed to see the queer men around Freddie Mercury as he would have seen them — as beautiful, as lovable, as human. (For the record, there are zero queer women onscreen.) It’s as if Bohemian Rhapsody is afraid of taking us too deeply into Mercury’s mind for any length of time in order to show him actually feeling like a queer man, getting to know other queer people, experiencing the complex personalities of other queer people. It’s absurd and insulting, and it serves to depict Mercury himself — a legendary creative genius — as infantile and petulant. In the film, he only seems to care about two topics, Mary Austin and his music, because those are the only parts of his life the film seems to feel safe approaching. ... The film paints Freddie Mercury as somehow choosing his own isolation The effect of this is that the film strongly implies that Mercury chose to be gay, to surround himself with other queer people, at the risk of losing his “true” friends, his “family.” We’re never actually shown what the other members of Queen really thought about Mercury, or if they even liked him at all, because the film doesn’t care about those relationships either. It nonetheless depicts Queen, as well as Mary Austin, as becoming increasingly exasperated with Mercury’s extravagant lifestyle, his parties, his huge circle of friends — in other words, with all the things that signal his embrace of queer culture and his increased acceptance of his queer identity. And because Bohemian Rhapsody hasn’t done due diligence in portraying queer identity as something more than shamefaced fashion choices and surreptitious visits to clubs, “it” becomes the only thing the audience is allowed to take away from Mercury’s queerness. Not that it made him beautiful, made him erotic, made him a rock star, but that it left him dead. ... Instead, the film winds up being the last thing Mercury himself would have wanted it to be, given his own embrace of the queer community: an erasure of that community, and of Mercury’s own uniqueness, as well as a flimsy, demonizing stereotype of queer men. All fans of Freddie Mercury, but especially the queer ones, deserved better. |
thundergod 11.01.2019 05:38 |
Well Saint Jiub, Those are some very profound thoughts. Thanks for reiterating the need for our book. As a gay man I can completely relate to all of your points. The problem is that gay men have never been truly understood since the first cave-man clubbed his lover over the head and dragged him into the walk-in stone closet. Seriously, I must say however, if it weren't for the general appeal of this movie which I call " lightly based on a true story" instead of a biopic, such overwhelming re-ignition of Freddie/Queen mania may not have been possible. Selfishly, this should boost our book publishing.pursuit. Unfortunately, having lived through the worst of AIDS and having so many of my friends from that era affected and dead. I would certainly have wished for this movie to be more understanding of gay people but perhaps not showing the last three years of his life. To describe how ours and former generations suffered will require a different, truthful documentary. I was just as active as Freddie was, as Joe Scardilli was, as John Murphy was yet Lee and I were spared. Some people say the Holocaust was probably fake and just let themselves forget about it because it didn't really affect them. There is a message in carved stone warning future generations to "Never Forget" I saw this in person when visiting the Dachau concentration camp some years back. Gay men have endured horrible prejudice over the years and then an unexpected and misunderstood killer, AIDS. Many people and many younger gays don't know and cannot understand the feeling you are overcome with by gazing out at the massive AIDS Quilt and what that meant to me who lost three of my best friends (one being Freddie) and so many friends that I worked with and knew. When I accidentally came across some of their quilts with pictures and precious thing of theirs sewn into the fabric that I did not even knowing it existed and was made just for them by loyal, mourning friends, I was deeply moved and silently cried like a baby. If this 1980's crisis is just swept under the carpet, then a new stone will be carved at some point in the future "We Forgot" Understood why Saint Jiub is so passionate about this issue. A true movie documentary on Freddie, not looking for awards or massive box office returns, needs to be made. Hopefully, it will be considered by some independent director or producer. Let's hope so. Freddie handled his AIDS in the most honorable way I can imagine. He never said "poor me" or "why me?" He kept a smile on his face every time we went up to his bedroom even during that final visit in 1991. He still wanted to be uplifting and entertaining for OUR benefit not his. He laughed at the silly slides, coordinated to (non Queen) but whimsical music that he requested Lee to bring to him that visit and show it one more time. God, I miss you so much, my sweet Freddie! I am again, however, starting to feel your presence every day thanks to these other loving fans of yours on QueenZone. It is very comforting to me my friend. . |
thundergod 11.01.2019 05:55 |
Sorry for the typos...I should have proofread better- even Grammarly did not catch these, but then again, I only have the free version so I believe they like to print out some errors to maybe frustrate you just enough to make you buy the better version which they keep badgering you to buy. |
FreddieDarling 11.01.2019 11:02 |
Loved your words about Peter Freestone. Yes, that is exactly the impression I get from him. That he was the single most important, essential person in Freddie's life for the last 12 years of his life. He was indeed Legion (for we are many !) his role in Freddie's life was so complex and varied and never did his dedication or loyalty waiver. I think we would all love to have a "Phoebe" in our life. I love how warmly Peter always talks of "the master" yet never in a manner that is sycophantic. His balance of loyalty, and fondness and truthfulness is spot on. That he was deleted from Freddie's life in the film is one of my bones of contention with the film, and I cannot fathom why he was omitted from Freddie's story. The notion of him living all alone in Garden Lodge is laughable. It would be like leaving a helpless puppy or kitten to fend for itself. Freddie, from all I've learned of him , though I adore him to bits, was simply clueless regarding anything domestic. It's testament to Peter's wonderfully kind, selfless nature that he was willing to assist the film makers in making Garden Lodge look authentic, and yet shows no bitterness or resentment to being erased from Freddie's life in the film. Shame in them! OK, that's the end of my lecture! :-/ Have a great weekend, folks. |
FreddieDarling 11.01.2019 13:18 |
I recently bought a facsimile of an Action Man doll from a seller on eBay. I bought him because I thought he looked remarkably like our Freddie (and not just because he had dark hair and a moustache!) His skin tone and facial features were quite like our boy. Apart from the fact that he had blue eyes which I quickly rectified with a touch of deep brown acrylic paint! He arrived completely stark naked, poor soul, but I had plans! The plan was to make him a Magic Tour '86 yellow battle jacket, white vest, and striped white trousers, and a pair of Addidas trainers if I could manage to do it! I bought some canary yellow felt and white felt and red ribbon and enlisted my sister to help cut out the jacket, trousers and vest, and set about painstakingly with needle and threads to try to recreate this iconic outfit as accurately as I could manage (given that I can't really sew for nuts!) I managed to come up with a way to give him trainers, and even included Freddie's "secret pocket" on the lower left leg of his trousers! Also I highlighted the "frogging" straps on his jacket with silver thread, including button holes. I am very pleased, and a little bit proud of the result ! :-) If anyone is interested to see MY Freddie, below is a link to a short YouTube video I shot of him! It's not the best footage you've ever seen, but you get the gist of the end result from it! Bye for now, folks. FreddieDarling link |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 11.01.2019 17:37 |
Thor, Thanks for your kind words about Phoebe. I always see such kindness radiating from him and that he truly, truly cared for Freddie. I do wish I could have my own Phoebe- maybe if I ever hit it big HAHA |
matt z 11.01.2019 18:17 |
Hey Thor. Actually I'm not a smoker. Occasionally take a drag from cigarettes when at gigs or stressed. Super seldom smoke. I get why some people do, it just doesn't suit me and my thinking. I'd still get very nervous and paranoid and i don't enjoy seeing some things for what they really are. Pot tends to mess me up like that. I think i enjoy the notion of self decision whether it's true or not. I've been reading more than writing really. Didn't enjoy the close of the year much. Glad your vacation went well. I'm glad 2018 is over. |
Blenkolove 11.01.2019 19:33 |
Hey Matt....I Feel ya!!!! I am by nature always tired And hungry......I Don't want something that makes me More Tired And More Hungry!!!! However, I do have quite a few patients who have found relief through medical marijuana or CDB oil. And That totally interest me!!! I am All In for whatever Helps my patients and others that suffer! Freddiedarling....Your Freddie doll...and the Love and shear creativity you have put into it is INSANE!! My hope is that Brian and Roger see what you have created!!!!! As for Phoebe.....He ABSOLUTELY deserved at least a Cameo in BoRhap, if not an actor portraying his invaluable service and endless love for Freddie! How is it that Lambert rated........But Phoebe didn't?????? Phoebe reminds me of a giant teddy bear I just want to hurl my whole bodyhug into!!!° |
Blenkolove 11.01.2019 19:36 |
Or is it CBD oil????.....ahhh I can never remember!! |
Blenkolove 11.01.2019 20:08 |
.....maybe smoking pot would help my memory???????? Lmao |
thundergod 11.01.2019 20:27 |
OMG FreddieDarling, That doll is AMAZING. The painstaking work you put into it is so obvious. Have you considered work at the Madame Tussauds company? Handmade Freddie dolls?....that could be a winning business for you! Lee and I went to one of the Magic tours at Wembley and your doll is a pleasant reminder of that day in 1986. All I can say is WOW, you go, darling. |
Katydyd5 11.01.2019 21:51 |
FreddieDarling, your doll is fantastic! You are very talented! |
FreddieDarling 11.01.2019 23:06 |
Thank you for your kind comments on my Freddie dolly. *blush* ! He probably would bear too close scrutiny regarding stitch work, but I'm really chuffed (an English word for extremely happy) with him! I've yet to see another action man (I think you call him G.I. Joe in the U.S.) like this one, with the moustache and everything, so I think mass production may be a problem. also my sewing is so slow(I'm a must concentrate, tongue in the corner of the mouth, sewer) my customers would need to be VERY patient. I did enjoy doing this, though. I'm glad that he brought back fond memories to you Thor. I remember Peter saying that Freddie organized a coach trip from Garden Lodge to Wembley for his friends for this concert! I'd have loved to have been on that coach! BTW did Freddie show you that "secret" pocket. Thor? I'm guessing but was for a baggy of coke, or maybe I'm being too obvious? Or too suspicious! I totally agree that if Mr. Lambert warranted a cameo, Peter certainly did! Also, apart from the fact that I really don't envision Freddie being into the "cottaging" scene (I think that lovely, meticulous Freddie would balk at the idea of intimacy in a toilet !) I can't see him being tempted by Adams "truck driver" ! He looks like he wandered on to the set from a scene in "Deliverance" ! Anyway, just wanted to say thank you for your kind words. It warmed my heart. Have a brilliant weekend. Folks. Kindest Regards FreddieDarling. |
NotQuiteAShilling 12.01.2019 05:08 |
FreddieDarling be proud...be VERY PROUD. That doll is beyond AMAZING! Did you say you included button holes on his battle jacket?? How tiny they must be. Now I'm curious about the secret pocket. Thor or Lee Spill the Tea? |
NotQuiteAShilling 12.01.2019 05:23 |
Blenkolove I love what you said about Phoebe being a huge teddy bear to dive into! I picture him that way too. Everyone should have a Phoebe! (I also say that about Tim Gunn from Project Runway if anyone knows who he is too) How very smart of Freddie to steal him away from the Royal Ballet. I found a super sweet tribute on YouTube of Freddie and Phoebe. Videos and pictures of them, Phoebe always at his side or behind him. Never trying to get any spotlight, not even obvious sometimes...but ALWAYS THERE. How lucky Freddie was to have him! link |
thundergod 12.01.2019 06:46 |
Hey NotQuiteAShilling, That clip of Freddie and Phoebe is adorable. Why haven't I seen it before? It was right around the time I met Freddie...or maybe it was the year before. Anyway, thanks for the link...I LOVED IT...being a Freddie AND a Phoebe fan. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.01.2019 08:26 |
Me too me too. I loved it. Just catching up. Some very smart talk going on here. Was glued to the blog catching up. Thor and I have another surprise for you, but I can’t talk about it yet. It’s in its infancy one can say. Stay tuned. It WILL be fun. I have more to say later. Particularly to Sant Jiub... Brilliant commentary. You’re quite a wordsmith sounds like something Freddie would say about it. Villier2. We have to catch up. LOVED your rap about that non truth teller and her ways, but we’re not talking about that anymore. Freddie Darling I SEE A LINE OF ACTION FIGURES...ROCK FIGURES...CELEBRITY FIGURES. Anyway I think you have places to go with that costuming of yours. LOL |
runner_70 12.01.2019 09:24 |
Rainbow61 wrote: Congratulations Rami Malek. I am BEYOND excited for your Golden Globe award! Thank you for honoring the brilliance of Freddie and pouring your heart into telling his story. Brian, Roger, and John...how proud you must be. Congratulations to you as well!Thank you NOT for insulting Freddie with this godawful homophobic flick showing Freddie as a depressed lonely unreliable druggie played by a guy looking like a lil boy wearing Bugs Bunny teeth and Freddie Clothes. Maylor should rot in hell for this insult of a film |
Katydyd5 12.01.2019 14:02 |
Wasn't St. Juib's post a reprint of an article that Thor posted some weeks earlier?? |
Katydyd5 12.01.2019 14:05 |
I wish I could figure out how to edit or delete. After I posted the message above I noticed that St. Juib posted the link to the article. That will teach me to scroll too quickly. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 18:40 |
Don't feel badly Katydyd, Until I just read your post, I finally was able to realize that I too, missed the credit that Saint Jiub gave to the actual author by giving us the link at the very top of this copy of the article he was presenting. I feel quite embarrassed. I was basically fooled because Saint Jiub's writing style is very similar to this author. He always posts a very educated and well thought-out opinion piece. It seemed just like him to create this article. I stand corrected. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 18:44 |
Oops, Lee, I think you missed the link as well. Not a problem however. |
Anniebee 12.01.2019 18:47 |
FreddieDarling, your dill is amazing! Such talent you have! Love it! NotQuiteAShilling, thanks for sharing the video, its great! I find that while I’m sad Freddie died years ago from such a horrible disease, I’m happy he knew to surround himself with the best people and I think all of these people, Thor and Lee , Jim Joe and Phoebe definitely included, made his short life wonderful! He had his fame and fortune but I think deep down what he really wanted and craved were good friends and he most definitely had those in you guys. I can tell you all were great friends just by the way you treat us and you don’t even know us! Much love you you Thor and Lee, two of the best people in this world. <3 |
Anniebee 12.01.2019 18:48 |
*doll not dill, believe me it doesn’t look like a pickle lol. Autocorrect be damned! |
Rainbow61 12.01.2019 18:50 |
Freddienotfreddy, The concert site link you posted is a great one. I've used it a lot. I don't know who created the site, but that person did a fantastic job of collecting and organizing all of that information. It's fun to randomly pick any concert date just to read the description of how the show went. There are always interesting little tid-bits. Another very comprehensive concert site is: link Tons of info, pictures, and memorabilia. It is also well organized and fun to browse through. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 19:02 |
Hey Anniebee, Thank you so much for your very kind words. Freddie could be very sarcastic, but at the right times and was able to create humor with his sharp wit. BUT, he never once, was hateful- it just wasn't in his character. I loved what I saw in his heart and I believe he loved what he saw in ours.He had a few, rather outrageous friends, but he could keenly distiguish between the true friends and the false hanger-on ones. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 19:10 |
Freddie dearly loved Phoebe but don't forget he also said "And there was Phoebe, cascading down the staircase like a Ruebens painting." Phoebes reaction? Well, he laughed with all of us and really did not mind being the brunt of a Freddie joke... what a good man! |
thundergod 12.01.2019 19:11 |
Oh Wow....the storm clouds are gone...and I see a lovely Rainbow! |
Saint Jiub 12.01.2019 19:40 |
thundergod wrote: Don't feel badly Katydyd, Until I just read your post, I finally was able to realize that I too, missed the credit that Saint Jiub gave to the actual author by giving us the link at the very top of this copy of the article he was presenting. I feel quite embarrassed. I was basically fooled because Saint Jiub's writing style is very similar to this author. He always posts a very educated and well thought-out opinion piece. It seemed just like him to create this article. I stand corrected.I too am embarrassed ... I apologize that the Vox article appeared to be my own thoughts. I could have been more explicit in crediting the article. In hindsight, my ambiguous opening statement could have been more specific: "This "IS" why the real side of Freddie needs to be truthfully told by Thor and Lee: The "IS" in my opening statement (shown below) should have read "web article from Vox shows" ... I edited my original post to reflect this. Also, I would not have re-posted this web article if I had recalled that Thor had posted this article a few weeks ago. In hindsight, I realize that this article looked too familiar. Hopefully we all can "recover" from this "embarrassment". |
thundergod 12.01.2019 19:45 |
Now I am doubly embarrassed. I posted this article and didn't recognize it. Oh senility, thou art cruel indeed! |
Anniebee 12.01.2019 20:09 |
Thor, just blame it on jet lag. It’s only been a couple of weeks lol I see snippets of Freddie’s humor in different videos on YouTube and wish I could have been privy to it in person. I love to laugh and probably would have don’t plenty if it with Freddie around. You got a real gift in Freddie! |
Rainbow61 12.01.2019 20:41 |
Thor and Saint Jiub, You have both given me my chuckle for the day. There is not ONE person reading your exchange who hasn't thought of a time or two (or 10) they have forgotten something. That happens to me ALL the time. We live in an information saturated world and can only remember so much! We are all delightfully human in that respect. Thor...I am quite certain I have re-asked questions I already asked back at the beginning ...but have zero recollection of doing so. To your credit, you patiently answer them like it is the first time...although I'm sure you know it isn't. At this point, with the thread as long as it is, the Freddie info I have gleaned is now basically free-floating my head. I guess that is my way of saying you can expect more repeats from me! :) |
thundergod 12.01.2019 20:50 |
Rainbow, how does Ruth Bader Ginsberg's remain sharp? She's got 20 years over me... Well let's all be forgetful together! |
Mr.Michael 12.01.2019 21:33 |
Thor, have you already seen the TV-biopic "The Freddie Mercury story-Who wants to live forever" with the brilliant John Blunt as Freddie? It's on YouTube. Blunt's dramatic facial expressions are the highlights in this documentary. Especially when John Murphy is visiting him or when he hears that Rock Hudson is dying. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 21:41 |
Mr. Micheal, Can you give me the link. By the way, John Murphy was no longer in touch with Freddie after 1984. Thank you. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 21:45 |
Nevermind, I found it. Thanks again. link |
Rainbow61 12.01.2019 21:47 |
Thor, Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg....very good genes....and law clerks! |
runner_70 12.01.2019 22:24 |
Mr.Michael wrote: Thor, have you already seen the TV-biopic "The Freddie Mercury story-Who wants to live forever" with the brilliant John Blunt as Freddie? It's on YouTube. Blunt's dramatic facial expressions are the highlights in this documentary. Especially when John Murphy is visiting him or when he hears that Rock Hudson is dying.Brillant? The acting was cringeworthy, |
thundergod 12.01.2019 22:28 |
Oh Dear, I am sorry Mr. Micheal but this film is featuring Lesley Ann Jones, Peter Straker, Babara Valentine. In my opinion it, like Bohemian Rhapsody, distorts the truth by some of the "experts." Ths film should have been made with Peter Freestone providing the real facts.the truth This portrayal once again slams the gay population, and even suggests that he had actual sexual activity with Barbara, which has been debunked time and time again.Peter Straker actually wanted to share the spotlight with Freddie, a star in his own mind. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 22:33 |
please change some of the "experts" to some of these "experts" change Peter Freestone providing the real facts, in other words, the truth. |
Mr.Michael 12.01.2019 22:55 |
Runner: It's not brilliant, it's bloody brilliant. Just check out the scene where John Murphy is telling him: "I got months, weeks even" and Freddie looks at him. It's around 54.45-54.50. And soon after he's at the doctor's office getting the terrible news: "How long have I got, doctor". Again, the way he looks at the doctor is very convincing. The same with the way he speaks. You have to remember this is some Aussie bloke, who just happens to sing in a tribute band, he's no actor. Thor, in these documentaries they always have the same faces telling things the way they want to tell them. Even Freestone keeps telling the same stories over and over again. I really watched it for the story itself. It's really not all that bad, you just have to ignore the fact that they have Freddie wearing his Live Aid jeans for months and months. In the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, I also thought the scene at the doctor's office was very well done. The deedoo-part with the patient in the waiting room was just plain stupid, but otherwise it was very good. |
thundergod 12.01.2019 23:28 |
Please, please Mr. Micheal make this change in your mind and in your analysis. John Murphy was one of my close group of friends who became one of the so-called, N.Y. Daughters. He never had sex with Freddie. I did (two nights in August 1980). He was just a close friend of Freddie's in New York as were Lee, Joe Scardilli, and after August 1980, me. I find this offensive because John Murphy was a dear friend of mine and I KNOW the truth in this matter. Could there have been another John Murphy in Freddie's life? I doubt it. John Murphy was named "Dehlia" because a British actress or singer named, "Dehlia Murphy" at the same time that Freddie named Lee, "Kathleen" (for Kathleen Nolan), and me, P.P. because of a British singer named P.P. Arnold. I am sure I would have known if Freddie knew another John Murphy somewhere. |
Villiers2 12.01.2019 23:45 |
I didn't know about him being called Deliah by Freddie. That's a new fact for me, thanks Thor. From what I could tell, the John Blunt thing (which was so unsupported by the band that they tried to get it stopped legally, according to Brian) was just a TV version of the Somebody To Love book. Which also pushes Lesley's fake claims about Barbara and talks about John Murphy possibly being responsible for exposing Freddie to the virus. I didn't read the book or the watch the full docudrama but seeing as the band refused to give licensing to allow them to use real clips of Freddie, and Peter told a friend of mine that he avoided it like the plague once he saw the script- I didn't feel right watching the whole thing. There's enough misinformation about him out there and although I understand some people just watched it just to see it and know better than to believe it, the inaccuracies stretched far beyond just a clothing mistake. When a doco-anything starts to get facts about sexual orientation, partners and life story wrong? It's usually time to change the channel. Friend and roadie Chris Taylor went on a few rants about it and was pretty good at clearing up the inaccuracies on his social media. The thing got so much hate, Blunt told fans at the July convention that he signed the contract to do the thing before reading the script. Some were even shocked Jacky still booked him for the gig and she said Brian didn't know about it. I doubt Brian pays much attention to what goes on at Queen conventions these days. |
Villiers2 13.01.2019 01:51 |
Thanks for the message, Thor. Sorry if you get my response twice, but the site was lagging yet again. |
Anniebee 13.01.2019 02:32 |
I am so glad when I started delving deeper into Freddie Mercury’s life, I somehow came across Mercury and Me first and through that learned more about Phoebe and Joe and then the NY daughters. I wonder if I had started with any Lesley Ann Jones books what I would have thought about them. Thanks Villiers for not letting me make that mistake! This is why this book is so important, people need to know the truth from reliable sources. I can’t believe that someone would put a story out about something significant that John Murphy went through when he’s not around to tell his side of the story. Thor, you’re a good man for giving him a voice now! I mean, shoot, as bed a Paul Prenter was at least what he sold was mostly the truth, just in bad taste. |
Katydyd5 13.01.2019 04:09 |
Hey, I hope I didn't embarrass anyone on the page before when I asked about the article that had been posted. It was just that I was perplexed as I was reading it because I was having one of those deja vu moments. I often see articles; videos or pictures that I want to refer to later, but have no idea where I saw them. I can spend way too much time trying to locate things I want to share with no idea where to begin to look. In my personal life I read constantly, probably a book a week. It's so annoying to me when I start a new book and realize about a chapter in that I've already read the book. So I was having one of those brow wrinkling moments, and posted without thinking. Another problem I have far too often. No offense meant to anyone! |
NotQuiteAShilling 13.01.2019 06:24 |
Thor, Lee, and Anniebee - I am so happy you liked the clips of Freddie and Phoebe!! I just came upon it the other day watching Queen videos Lee I can't wait to hear what your surprise is.... Lee do you prefer to be called Lee or Kathleen? I have a question for you guys if you have time. Any idea why Freddie liked to perform barefoot so much? |
FreddieDarling 13.01.2019 09:25 |
Hi Folks First off thank you for all who commented on my Freddie doll. Secondly, I agree about the docu-drama "Who Wants To Live Forever" it did perpetuate many inaccurate myths about Freddie. They seemed to draw mostly from the Lesley AnJines book and Mark Langthorne , Matt Richards book. The Matt Richards book even suggests, erroneously that John Murphy was likely the person who passed the HIV virus on to Freddie (and that John likely contracted it from the Gatan Dugas- so called "Patient Zero" or more accurately Patient "o" - the letter "o" as he'd been labelled). I knew from dear Phoebe that John had not been Freddie's lover., So to suggest that John passed the virus into Freddie was borderline libelous! And anyway, who can blame anybody at that time for passing it on to somebody else? There was so little correct information about this disease which was only just emerging into public consciousness, and indeed becoming the epidemic that it did, that very few people who were unknowingly carrying the virus could not be blamed for being a vector for the virus. I also have issues with Jim Hutton's book. I do believe that Jim himself meant well, and didn't intend to mis-lead or focus of the more intimate side of his relationship with Freddie or details of his illness and death, but I feel that in his naivete he was lead astray by Tim Wapshott his co-author (ghost-writwr?) who is a journalist and knew that more explicit, salacious details would sell more copies. Other than Peter's lovely books, I have taken all the biographies I have read with a hefty pinch of salt! The Somebody To Love book is actually a good read for learning about the evolution of HIV-AIDS and was quite an education in that respect, but not so good to learn accurate information about Freddie. The authors seem to have lifted most personal information straight from Lesley Ann Jones's book, and taken it that this was all gospel truth. That's my take on things , anyway for what it's worth. Have a great Sunday folks. Kind Regards FreddieDarling |
FreddieDarling 13.01.2019 09:31 |
More blinking typos! Should have read "from Gaetan Dugas-" NOT the Gatan Dugas- which actually upon first typing became Tartan Dutas whatever that is! I wish Google would stop trying to do my thinking for me! Sorry folks! |
Saint Jiub 13.01.2019 15:54 |
Katydyd5 wrote: Hey, I hope I didn't embarrass anyone on the page before when I asked about the article that had been posted. It was just that I was perplexed as I was reading it because I was having one of those deja vu moments. I often see articles; videos or pictures that I want to refer to later, but have no idea where I saw them. I can spend way too much time trying to locate things I want to share with no idea where to begin to look. In my personal life I read constantly, probably a book a week. It's so annoying to me when I start a new book and realize about a chapter in that I've already read the book. So I was having one of those brow wrinkling moments, and posted without thinking. Another problem I have far too often. No offense meant to anyone!No probs ... I am glad to know where I saw that article previously |
stevendabudgie 13.01.2019 21:41 |
What a shirt ! link |
thundergod 13.01.2019 22:02 |
Freddie Purrrcury...how fitting for our feline-loving friend! Thanks, stevendabudgie. |
Blenkolove 14.01.2019 00:23 |
DON'T STOP MEOW!!!! ...FRGGIN HYSTERICAL!!! THANK YOU STEVENDABUDGIE....YOUR POSTS ALWAYS CRACK ME UP!!!! |
thundergod 14.01.2019 00:31 |
AND...Blencolove, "Don't Stop Meow" cracks me up too! Good Job! |
thundergod 14.01.2019 00:32 |
I mean Blenkolove...sorry, love! |
Blenkolove 14.01.2019 01:51 |
Now.....Thanks to my quirky brain ...EVERY time I hear Don't Stop Me Now....I'm gonna THINK Don't Stop Meow!!!!! Just like when Weird Al changed Joan Jett's I Love Rock n Roll to I Love Rocky Road!!! I now always sing it..I Love Rocky Road!!!! I always Loved Weird Al's parodies!!!!! Many Many years ago I took my son to see Weird Al in concert!!! Sooo Fun!!! Which brings me to this......Did Weird Al Ever parody anything from Queen??????? |
Blenkolove 14.01.2019 02:26 |
Parodied.......sorry |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 14.01.2019 02:43 |
Once again, I’ve checked in to find great back and forths, and once again found myself learning things. I have to say again. I adored Freddie, our times together, his generosity, and his senserity. BUT, I must tell you that I never went home and took notes, or wrote things down, or remembered every intimate thing he might have said because of who he was. He was a special buddy, who made us feel special. Where I’m going with this is that I’ve known this Thor person since the 70’s, and after spending a great deal of time with him in the last year, because of the book and him visiting me often, he still tells a story that i’ve never heard or something I knew nothing about. I often say “how come I never knew that”...not that he needed to share every detail with me, but I just never knew these things. Every thing I have written here, and for the book, I have done by memory, and if I have forgotten things, or learning things for the first time I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the details that the blog is bringing out. I also LOVE being given homework to do. LOL LOL LOL I crack “me” up. P.S. someone asked...I kinda prefer being Lee instead of Kathleen. No harm taken by anyone that calls me that, so if you have, you don’t need to stop, but just kinda do. I’m here to tell you that I can’t wait until my co-workers see the book, and latch on to the Kathleen thing...NOT. I’m the altacocker at the store, and all these millienals that I work with, who I’m crazy about, will not be granted imprimatur to call me Kathleen. LOL. THAT might take some doing. |
Saint Jiub 14.01.2019 02:57 |
Blenkolove wrote: Now.....Thanks to my quirky brain ...EVERY time I hear Don't Stop Me Now....I'm gonna THINK Don't Stop Meow!!!!! Just like when Weird Al changed Joan Jett's I Love Rock n Roll to I Love Rocky Road!!! I now always sing it..I Love Rocky Road!!!! I always Loved Weird Al's parodies!!!!! Many Many years ago I took my son to see Weird Al in concert!!! Sooo Fun!!! Which brings me to this......Did Weird Al Ever parody anything from Queen???????Another One Rides the Bus ... his 2nd "single" with accordion link |
Blenkolove 14.01.2019 03:09 |
St Juib.....That's PRICELESS!! I truly did not know that existed...but it made me lmao!!!! You've really made it Big time if Weird Al takes you on!!! .....With accordion, no less! FAB! Thank you for the link! |
Blenkolove 14.01.2019 03:11 |
Oops St Jiub!!.....mea culpa |
Katydyd5 14.01.2019 04:00 |
Blenkolove, I consistently spell St Jiub's name incorrectly. I'm sorry too! Lee, I've always thought of you as Lee, but I do think your co-workers are going to absolutely love Kathleen. Just go with it...… BTW, I'd always read that you knew you were really in with Freddie when he gave you a nickname. Phoebe will always be Phoebe to me. I think I found the edit button, so I'm testing by adding to my original post. Hopefully it works. |
Katydyd5 14.01.2019 04:09 |
LOL Lee, I had to Google alta cocker. I was kind of afraid to ask. |
Saint Jiub 14.01.2019 04:18 |
Blenkolove wrote: St Juib.....That's PRICELESS!! I truly did not know that existed...but it made me lmao!!!! You've really made it Big time if Weird Al takes you on!!! .....With accordion, no less! FAB! Thank you for the link!Weird Al started out on accordion with "My Bologna" (based on my Sharona by The Knack). I believe "Another One Rides the Bus was his 2nd song for the novelty song radio show "Dr Demento" |
Villiers2 14.01.2019 04:41 |
Lmao whoops, I've been yelling "KathLEEN" everytime we talk, Lee. Channeling my inner Freddie, picturing fruit hats and such lol. Lee it is! |
Villiers2 14.01.2019 04:47 |
That reminds me, a couple months ago my friend was over and I was scrolling thru messages to show him something and he spotted you and asked who you were. Casually said "KathLEEN" and he looked at your pic and gave me a face that said "I don't even want to know" lol. He had to ask if Mary was a really a Marty or something after that conversation lol. |
The Squirrelly One 14.01.2019 04:56 |
Correct me if I'm wrong but villers are you the one with the Queen account that does the chat every week? If so might I suggest a Thor and Lee or NY Daughter one? My daughter follows your page and I heard one of your podcasts about trusted book sources and wrote them down. I got them all on kindle and am reading them now! |
The Squirrelly One 14.01.2019 05:01 |
I don't know if any of you watch Hot Ones on YouTube but it's a channel that interviews celebrities whie having them eat hot wings with increasingly hotter sauces which sounds odd but it's actually pretty entertaining. They had Werid Al on there not too long ago and he discussed picking songs to parody and meeting the artists of the songs he made money off off haha. Luckily they mostly seemed to take it good spirits. He didn't mention Queen but I wonder what Freddie would think of his ABTD parody. Thor and Lee happy new year I hope you two are having a blessed one. |
Villiers2 14.01.2019 05:38 |
TSO, that's us but we don't have a podcast, I just hold live chats once a week to clear up rumors and answer questions about Freddie using firsthand sources like Peter, Jim, David Minns etc. I figure there's so much misinformation about Freddie around (and eventhough we're usually a page set just to make Queen fans laugh), with over 10K people following us now, why not use the platform to promote the truth about the man when we can. A few of the topics we've gone over are The Men of Garden Lodge (what happened after Freddie passed on), Barbara Valentin, Freddie's Parents, David Minns, Freddie's Lovers vs Jim Hutton (why was Jim different), and the topics change every week. I try to make sure everything said in the lives can be traced back to trusted sources who were there to see it happening. The Daughters have been quoted quite a few times and new requests for new topics get sent in daily, so there's always something to cover. Glad to say we reach a few thousand people each week and the response has been overwhelmingly positive. Can't wait to promote to book when it comes out, guys. PS, I'm 29 and I still lol at Weird Al's 'Amish Paradise'. |
Rainbow61 14.01.2019 05:55 |
Katydyd5, That's funny...the first thing I did after reading Lee's post was to look up alta cocker as well. I had absolutely no idea what it meant. Thanks Lee for expanding my vocabulary! Is there a feminine equivalent to that expression? |
The Squirrelly One 14.01.2019 06:06 |
Google says it's yiddish. Thank god I thought it was slang for something much kinkier! Alta cocker almost sounds like another classic Freddie phrase haha! Please do consider a New York daughters topic villers. Thor and Lee have provided you with hours of info to talk about here. I'll ask my daughter to let me know so I can listen in if you do decide to do it! |
NotQuiteAShilling 14.01.2019 06:27 |
Villiers2 what is your channel? Can you share with us? |
NotQuiteAShilling 14.01.2019 06:32 |
If you wanna cook out You better not run out of PRO-PANE My first (and last!) attempt at writing a Weird Al parody |
Villiers2 14.01.2019 06:54 |
NQAS, we have pages on facebook and tumblr as well, but our largest following (and the only place we hold the live chats) can be found on Instagram @Queen_Memes.KL I added a link here a few months ago but that must be...who knows how many pages back now lol. We originally started the page to make Queen fans laugh, but I held a Q&A one time for an hour about Freddie and got a ton of requests to do more "myth busting" type lives about him as the movie came out. So you can say it's something we didn't intend to do, but are happy to do once a week. I usually prepare a "script" with topic points to address for it and allow 15 min throughout to answer live questions being sent in, but Instagram was throwing a fit this weekend and after the umpteenth attempt at trying to hold the live and having the site crash, I tossed out the script in frustration lol. So this last live was more unorganized and off the top of my head than I like. It's audio only, so I get where people get the "podcast" vibe from lol. Instagram is a great platform to use for it, since it allows followers to ask questions in real time during the live chats and it's fully controlled, so any trolls can be removed and blocked without skipping a beat. No interruptions and plenty of fun chatting with fellow Freddie fans. A live on the Daughters would be great, TSO. I can definitely go through the thread again and take some notes to cover it. And any message from Thor and Lee to Queen fans I can share over a live as well. I think our followers would really enjoy that. |
Villiers2 14.01.2019 06:59 |
I saw "pro-pane" and my mind automatically flashed back to King of The Hill lol. I tell you h'wat. Yikes, talk about an old reference. |
Rainbow61 14.01.2019 07:21 |
Hi Lee, Most people generally did not develop slide photos years ago. The only time I did so was for end-of-the-year classroom ceremonies. What made you decide to do that? Is photography a passion of yours? When you went to visit Freddie that last time, did you have to bring a projector and screen with you as well? I can’t imagine he would have had those items in his home. I'm glad Freddie had the opportunity to laugh and reminisce with his friends in the perfect setting...what a simple, yet perfect gift! |
The Squirrelly One 14.01.2019 07:35 |
Lee and Thor do you guys meet up with Peter when he comes to America? |
NotQuiteAShilling 14.01.2019 07:55 |
Villiars - thanks! Found it and following Rainbow61 - I have thought the same thing so many times how much it must have meant to Freddie to have Thor and Lee come and visit and to bring the slides. Was this also when Lee said he brought the lighted fruit hat again that made Freddie laugh so much?? When I first found this thread I thought How lucky! - they were friends with Freddie Mercury! But now after "getting to know" Thor and Lee through these threads I can see how truly lucky Freddie was to have THEM as his friends! |
Villiers2 14.01.2019 08:11 |
Not sure if this pic has been posted already but it's a new one that popped up online recently. Freddie and Peter hanging out. Looks to be around the time you guys were in NY or LA together? Those shorts are dangerously short lol |
Anniebee 14.01.2019 10:56 |
Apparently Weird Al also did “Bohemian Polka”, no change in lyrics from Bo-Rhap, just a cool polka beat lol. link |
Papa Emeritus IV 14.01.2019 16:12 |
Thor and Lee are both approved by the leader of the clergy, PAPA EMERITUS IV All hail to PAPA EMERITUS IV |
runner_70 14.01.2019 17:21 |
Mr.Michael wrote: Runner: It's not brilliant, it's bloody brilliant. Just check out the scene where John Murphy is telling him: "I got months, weeks even" and Freddie looks at him. It's around 54.45-54.50. And soon after he's at the doctor's office getting the terrible news: "How long have I got, doctor". Again, the way he looks at the doctor is very convincing. The same with the way he speaks. You have to remember this is some Aussie bloke, who just happens to sing in a tribute band, he's no actor. Thor, in these documentaries they always have the same faces telling things the way they want to tell them. Even Freestone keeps telling the same stories over and over again. I really watched it for the story itself. It's really not all that bad, you just have to ignore the fact that they have Freddie wearing his Live Aid jeans for months and months. In the movie Bohemian Rhapsody, I also thought the scene at the doctor's office was very well done. The deedoo-part with the patient in the waiting room was just plain stupid, but otherwise it was very good.It is the worst POS of a film I have ever seen. Cheap with no real actors and just concentrating on Freddies private life. Awful. Are you the one on QZ who is stalking the actor? There seems to be a stalker from QZ whom he reported to the police |
runner_70 14.01.2019 17:31 |
thundergod wrote: . He never had sex with Freddie. I did (two nights in August 1980).DId anyone ask you if or how often you had sex with Freddie. T(oo) M(uch) I(nformation) like all those guys who turn up in questionable documentaries or (planned) books |
NotQuiteAShilling 14.01.2019 17:31 |
Great picture Villiars!! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 14.01.2019 18:36 |
I've found that the many people who are projecting this "Freddie was bi" thing are only getting their information from Barbara or Lesley Ann Jones. It's a shame. No matter how many times you tell people that he wasn't, they'll just shoot back "he never came out publicly!" Sigh. |
Villiers2 14.01.2019 19:13 |
NQAS, idk where it popped up from but it spread like crazy, that pic. Peter was looking quite handsome! |
NotQuiteAShilling 14.01.2019 19:49 |
Villiers2 I have been spelling your name incorrectly - my apologies! They BOTH look so happy and relaxed in this photo. AND yes agreed - both look so handsome This leads me to another reason I feel Freddie was so lucky to have met and hung out with the Daughters in NY. For the FIRST TIME in his life he could be open and free with his life and sexuality. I feel by the photos and interviews pre-NY and during and after NY what a change you can see in him. His comfort level, his self esteem, his confidence. What a GIFT he was given by simply meeting and befriending these guys!!! What a life changing difference it obviously made to him and to his life. Thor and Lee - do you feel this too? I hope it gives you both comfort with the loss of your dear friend to know how much you meant to him and to his life |
Papa Emeritus IV 14.01.2019 19:52 |
“Thor and Lee, you both have the permession from the unholy father PAPA EMERITUS IV to sell out your friendship with Freddie. We agree with you that making some extra cash with vomiting out personal information about Freddie is allowed. Our Nameless Ghouls will welcome you as our special guests in our burning hell.” The Clergy has spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! |
runner_70 14.01.2019 19:56 |
Papa Emeritus IV wrote: “Thor and Lee, you both have the permession from the unholy father PAPA EMERITUS IV to sell out your friendship with Freddie. We agree with you that making some extra cash with vomiting out personal information about Freddie is allowed. Our Nameless Ghouls will welcome you as our special guests in our burning hell.” The Clergy has spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!!Awesome Papa i bow to you |
runner_70 14.01.2019 19:56 |
Papa Emeritus IV wrote: “Thor and Lee, you both have the permession from the unholy father PAPA EMERITUS IV to sell out your friendship with Freddie. We agree with you that making some extra cash with vomiting out personal information about Freddie is allowed. Our Nameless Ghouls will welcome you as our special guests in our burning hell.” The Clergy has spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!!Awesome Papa i bow to you |
runner_70 14.01.2019 19:57 |
Papa Emeritus IV wrote: “Thor and Lee, you both have the permession from the unholy father PAPA EMERITUS IV to sell out your friendship with Freddie. We agree with you that making some extra cash with vomiting out personal information about Freddie is allowed. Our Nameless Ghouls will welcome you as our special guests in our burning hell.” The Clergy has spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!!Awesome Papa i bow to you |
runner_70 14.01.2019 19:57 |
Papa Emeritus IV wrote: “Thor and Lee, you both have the permession from the unholy father PAPA EMERITUS IV to sell out your friendship with Freddie. We agree with you that making some extra cash with vomiting out personal information about Freddie is allowed. Our Nameless Ghouls will welcome you as our special guests in our burning hell.” The Clergy has spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!!Awesome papa. I bow to you |
Papa Emeritus IV 14.01.2019 20:25 |
“Runner_70, in the Year Zero you will be rewarded for your support. Papa Emeritus IV follows your bad trolling behaviour on this forum and is VERY PLEASED with it. You will get the recognition from the Unholy Father in the same way as my other followers Lame bert Whoehahaha, Paul Prenter and ILoveAnalBleaching did before. Go ahead my son, and troll all queenzone forum members, until they’re getting mad and beg me to take them to hell!........WHOEHAHAHAHAHA!!! “ The Clergy has spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! |
Mr.Michael 14.01.2019 20:53 |
Runner you need to relax. You really see demons everywhere. I have complimented his acting job in two messages. I haven't even seen him perform his so called "tribute act" or whatever it is. The guy did a nice job in a pretty average TV-biopic. I have seen much worse. |
NotQuiteAShilling 14.01.2019 21:14 |
One of the things that drew me into this thread once I found it was that this is such a wonderful group of people who have come together over a shared love of an amazing rock group called QUEEN. And because of this, I see in these wonderful people a group who really embodies QUEEN'S values. I have found so many Queen songs that are about a better, kinder world. A world without hate. A would that values inclusiveness, kindness, and respect. For the life of me I can't find a SINGLE Queen song, quote, or interview that espouses hatred, judgement, rudeness. In fact those are the very traits that our boys were against with every fiber of their being. In other words...how very un-QUEEN-like. In fact, these traits were embodied by the press in dear Freddie's day. And we all know how QUEEN and Freddie felt about them! A quote from our dear Freddie himself: "In terms of press and things, I'm a very hated person, but I hate the press as well. So that goes both ways, but to me I think I've learned to live with it. I'd be a liar to say I'm not hurt by criticism because I mean everybody is, you know, of course I want everybody to say I'm wonderful and they like my songs, but I mean I don't mind actually a sort of genuine well thought out criticism, but I mean of course you're going to get... just... people review our albums without even listening to them and things like that, but I mean that's the way of the world and before I used to get really mad and start tearing my hair out but now I don't have anymore sleepless nights, so just I learned to live with it. Let them all come." Freddie Mercury In other words...IGNORE Thank you again my dear newly found QUEEN group for allowing me to join in with you wonderful people!!!!! |
FreddieDarling 14.01.2019 22:51 |
Well said NotQuiteAShilling! I treat mean old trolls like misbehaving dogs! Turn my back on them and ignore! They soon get the message! ?? |
thundergod 14.01.2019 22:54 |
Everyone...ssshhhh. |
Rainbow61 14.01.2019 23:10 |
Hi Thor, Were there any Queen concerts that you were invited to attend, but for whatever reason could not go...and then were really disappointed afterwards that you weren't there? Did you and Lee and the other guys usually go to shows together, or were there times when it was only you attending...or just Lee? |
thundergod 14.01.2019 23:22 |
Hi Rainbow, Originally, Lee, Joe, John and I were invited to the concerts in 1981 and 1982. Sometimes, John and Joe couldn't come because of their American Airlines flight attendant schedule. Lee and I were always able to manipulate our work schedules to attend. Mine was easy because I was working 12-hour shifts 3-4 days a week and if I needed, could schedule for 3-nights working, 7 days off, and then 4 nights working again, all during a two week period. Lee also always managed to change his work schedule. He was loved at every job he's ever had and that gave him a lot of Lee-Way...lol |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 15.01.2019 00:14 |
Don't feed the ones who live under bridges, everyone!! Anyway, Thor, were you bartending and nursing at the same time? |
FunLovinCriminal 15.01.2019 00:14 |
Hello Thor, I have two slightly off-topic-questions, which you might want to answer anyway: I am not one for conspiracy theories, but I can also not ignore the fact that we still don't really got to know, where HIV really did spring from. First it was the Green Monkeys (do you remember Dr. Koop - Reagen administration?), then it was supposed to have come from Haiti, and finally we were being told that it sprang from apes to humans in Africa, from where it went around the world. I have a book here called „A Higher Form Of Killing“, which features original scripts from debates in the US-Congress, in which someone from the US military asks for federal funds to develop a virus which will affect only certain ethnical groups of people. Having read the book, I wonder even more why HIV/AIDS is still mostly affecting gay men in the western world. Did you ever wonder if we really had been told all the facts about the sudden deadly appearance of the virus in mainly the gay community in the late 70's/early 80's? Then I would like to know how you reacted when more and more men got sick without knowing what GRID, as HIV/AIDS was known at that time, actually was and how it was transmitted. Was there really a sense of community before HIV/AIDS among gay men or did it develop in the wake of the disease? Having grown up in rural Germany and having identified as a gay youth at the time the horrible news were spreading over from the US, it really shocked many of us over here to the point that especially us young gay guys didn't have sex at all for a good decade. Thankfully many of us hadn't been infected, but I sometimes wonder if the right wing forces that spread up all over the world don't already have another "secret weapon“ in the pipeline to get rid of us "filthy shameless abnormals". What do you think? Sorry to all not interested in my questions for being off topic... |
Saint Jiub 15.01.2019 02:01 |
FunLovinCriminal wrote: Hello Thor, I have two slightly off-topic-questions, which you might want to answer anyway: I am not one for conspiracy theories, but I can also not ignore the fact that we still don't really got to know, where HIV really did spring from. First it was the Green Monkeys (do you remember Dr. Koop - Reagen administration?), then it was supposed to have come from Haiti, and finally we were being told that it sprang from apes to humans in Africa, from where it went around the world. I have a book here called „A Higher Form Of Killing“, which features original scripts from debates in the US-Congress, in which someone from the US military asks for federal funds to develop a virus which will affect only certain ethnical groups of people. Having read the book, I wonder even more why HIV/AIDS is still mostly affecting gay men in the western world. Did you ever wonder if we really had been told all the facts about the sudden deadly appearance of the virus in mainly the gay community in the late 70's/early 80's? Then I would like to know how you reacted when more and more men got sick without knowing what GRID, as HIV/AIDS was known at that time, actually was and how it was transmitted. Was there really a sense of community before HIV/AIDS among gay men or did it develop in the wake of the disease? Having grown up in rural Germany and having identified as a gay youth at the time the horrible news were spreading over from the US, it really shocked many of us over here to the point that especially us young gay guys didn't have sex at all for a good decade. Thankfully many of us hadn't been infected, but I sometimes wonder if the right wing forces that spread up all over the world don't already have another "secret weapon“ in the pipeline to get rid of us "filthy shameless abnormals". What do you think? Sorry to all not interested in my questions for being off topic...I hope the following link is accurate and legitimate. It appears that HIV was originally contracted by humans through "butchering and consumption of monkey meat". link |
Saint Jiub 15.01.2019 02:03 |
oops ... |
Freddienotfreddy 15.01.2019 02:16 |
NotQuiteAShilling, Thank you for sharing that video of Phoebe and Peter. That was terrific, |
Freddienotfreddy 15.01.2019 02:33 |
Rainbow61, Thank for the link to the new site, will definitely ad to my reading! I love reading about the concerts. The dialogue the band had during the shows, accounts form fans that were at the shows, and the old reviews. It is so interesting and educational. |
thundergod 15.01.2019 02:39 |
Thank you Saint Jiub, I found that article on AIDS very informative. When I first heard of AIDS I was convinced it was due to inhaling Amyl Nitrate (an important emergency medication used for heart stimulation in emergency situations) but abused by many, gay and straight, to enhance a sexual high in the bedroom and on the disco dancefloor. I immediately stopped using it from that day and now When HIV was determined to be transferred during sex, I slapped on a condom every time and continuing until this day. I was lucky, many of my friends were not. |
Freddienotfreddy 15.01.2019 02:41 |
Hi Thor, I'm relatively new here but have read through both threads and really appreciate the time you have taken with us. I am really looking forward to the book. The Rock Montreal Concert is one of my favorite and part of the reason is I absolutely love Freddie in those tiny white shorts he wears at the end. Was this the concert you attended? Did he ever discus with you all how he decided on any of his stage wear? I actually really loved anytime he came on stage with the shorts and bare feet. |
thundergod 15.01.2019 02:51 |
Ha Ha Freddienotfreddy, I will repeat a phrase of Freddie's when asked that same question. "Darling, when you have absolutely nothing left to give them (meaning the concert crowds) give then WARDROBE! |
NotQuiteAShilling 15.01.2019 03:22 |
FreddieNotFreddy thank you I'm so glad you loved the Phoebe/Freddie video too Ironically I was also just watching some of the famous "white shorts" concert today. Great stuff! He got as close to performing naked as he could didn't he?! St Juib thanks for sharing that link. Very informative. I like the interactive timeline. Shame on USA for taking so long to act |
NotQuiteAShilling 15.01.2019 04:25 |
Sorry Thor |
FreddieDarling 15.01.2019 08:33 |
Hi Thor, Just read your GoFundMe update! Wow they make it all so complicated, don't they! I am very happy for you continue to retain my own donations. Are you considering self-publishing using a platform bsych as Amazon? I do hope we do get to see they wonderful sounding book. You've really whet my appetite. Hoping you have success in this venture Kindest Regards to you both. |
thundergod 15.01.2019 09:03 |
I am working very hard on it. Self publishing or on-line publishing will be considered the day after April 30th. I AM still optomistic! |
stevendabudgie 15.01.2019 13:45 |
Dear Thor, I wonder whether you and/or Freddie had ever heard of Klaus Nomi in the early 1980s? link |
Anniebee 15.01.2019 14:43 |
Thor, I think I asked a question a while back that got put on the backburner due to the holidays, so I'll ask again, when you guys would hang out with Freddie was it with the intention that you would be going out to party or did you have like a guys night in? Also, if you called and talked to him while he was at home did he ever have you talk to his cats? lol |
thundergod 15.01.2019 21:47 |
Hi Stevedabudgie,, Did he know this person in London, New York, or on the 1982 American portion of the Queen Tour. If it was in New York, there is a possibility that I met Klaus, or maybe on the tour, but if in London, we didn't start going there to visit Freddie until the mid '80s not the early '80s and we never went to Munich when he was there. |
thundergod 15.01.2019 22:01 |
Ha Ha Anniebee, As far as a boys night IN goes, I will quote Freddie's own words, "Every Night's a Party at Melina's (meaning Freddie's) Mansion." He had a way of turning all of our visits whether in New York or later, in London into a Extra-Special Moments for us. So, you probably would never see us playing Scrabble (I love that game) in a quiet, controlled atmosphere.Not Freddie's style...LOL |
thundergod 15.01.2019 22:09 |
Oops, please change "...or London into a Extra-Special Moments" to "...or London into Extra Special Moments. Sorry |
Katydyd5 16.01.2019 01:14 |
So Thor, you guys never played Scrabble with Freddie? His love for Scrabble is one of those pieces of information that I just adore because it makes him even more real. Rainbow once shared a great video here and I'm going to share it again for the newbies. It's fun...…..Brian and Roger talk about the Scrabble Wars. link |
thundergod 16.01.2019 01:48 |
Wow...could the Scrabble Wars have been outside of 1991-1993. I would have loved to play Scrabble with Freddie, Phoebe and Lee. |
thundergod 16.01.2019 01:48 |
I mean 81-83 of course. |
Anniebee 16.01.2019 02:31 |
See, guys night IN, imagine the fun Scrabble tournaments that could have been lol! Y’all were probably having too much fun for Scrabble though. Katydyd5, I also like piecing together bits of Freddie through these stories, making him more real for those of us who didn’t get a chance to know him. :) |
NotQuiteAShilling 16.01.2019 04:37 |
Love it Katydyd5! |
Freddienotfreddy 16.01.2019 06:09 |
NotQuiteASchilling, The white shorts are so small! The best part, is he has them unbuttoned, just like all his other pants. I love it. They look so good on him. There is another concert, I believe it is Argentina 1981, where this time it small leather black shorts he changes into at the end, also barefoot. I wonder if the bare feet was probably due to his feet just being tired by the end of a show, because he actually seemed to this a lot at the end of shows. |
NotQuiteAShilling 16.01.2019 06:32 |
FreddienotFreddy (love that name btw!) Yes I asked Thor and Lee about the bare feet performing - I think that question got lost. But I love what Thor said about Freddie's quote about give them WARDROBE! I also love Every Night's a Party at Melina's Mansion. He is singing that in the bathtub in that great footage with him and Jim and it's adorable I saw something on the internet today about the white shorts saying something like "The only performer who could ever be taken seriously in these tiny white short is Freddie Mercury". Maybe it was on Villiers meme page. He sure rocked them! I will have to look up the black shorts too ahaha Today I've been watching the 1982 Live at the Bowl concert. They are amazing. Playing some Hot Space. Back Chat is growing on me Noooooooooo Thor and Lee were you at the Live at the Bowl concert in 1982? |
thundergod 16.01.2019 06:45 |
Actually YES, We were at the Hollywood concert but to tell you the truth, I don't remeber it being at the Hollywood Bowl. I only saw Donna Summer and the Queen plus that "Bad Company" guy...the crowd did not come alive until they played the original footage from Bohemian Rhapsody on the big screen...go figure...right? Lambert is not perfect but way better than that Roger something! |
thundergod 16.01.2019 06:54 |
I may be very wrong about this...and if so, I apologize for a weathered memory.. |
FreddieDarling 16.01.2019 08:51 |
Hi Thor, The "Bowl" NotQuiteAShilling referrred to is the Milton Keynes Bowl in Buckinghamshire, England. One of their greatest ever shows! Also one of the concerts where poor Freddie had to play guitar during Crazy Little Thing... with a bitten hand thanks to nasty Bill Reid ! |
thundergod 16.01.2019 09:03 |
Oh good...thank you...I thought I was losing my mind! |
Anniebee 16.01.2019 10:24 |
NotQuiteAShilling, I’m actually liking some of the songs on Hot Space, they weren’t all disco clubby like I thought they would be. Back Chat does grow on you but Cool Cat is probably my favorite, little different than other songs. :) |
Papa Emeritus IV 16.01.2019 15:32 |
“ONLY 3000 DOLLARS YET?!? WHOEHAHAHA !!! WITH A BOOK OF JUST 50 PRIVATE PHOTOS YOU COULD WAIT FOR THAT. IF YOU REALLY CARE FOR QUEEN EN FREDDIE FANS: THEN PUBLISH THE PHOTOS HERE ON THE FORUM OR ON ANOTHER WEBSITE FOR FREE.... ON THE OTHER HAND, PAPA EMERITUS IV HAS GIVEN YOU ALREADY HIS APPROVAL FOR CASHING IN ON YOUR FRIENDSHIP WITH FREDDIE. |
Papa Emeritus IV 16.01.2019 15:32 |
The Clergy had spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! THOU SHALL ALL OBEY HIM !!! |
Katydyd5 16.01.2019 16:17 |
Thor, regarding Scrabble. From what I've read the band and crew played Scrabble while touring as a way to pass the time. There are pictures of them playing on a bus, and the video I shared was a plane. If you read Peter Hince's book he talks about it too. If I'm remembering correctly I think it was Peter who said if the crew was playing backstage and Freddie happened upon the game, he would insist they start over so he could play too. I think it's also in the Hince book where he says that the Scrabble board was somehow left behind on a trip to Germany and Freddie had them go out and buy the German version. Peter says he was very upset because the English version has only 1 Z, but the German version had many Z's because it appears so often in their language and he felt that was somehow an unfair point advantage. Someone correct me if I'm giving the wrong source here. |
Papa Emeritus IV 16.01.2019 16:30 |
"SCRABBLE?!? WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT HOW FREDDIE SCRABBLED? YOU INFIDEL IMBECIL ! PAPA EMERITUS IV ORDERS YOU TO GET A LIVE !! " The Clergy had spoken! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! THOU SHALL ALL OBEY HIM !!! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 16.01.2019 16:57 |
I'm a very petite woman, but I envy Freddie's confidence wearing those white shorts. Thor- was he happy with how he looked in general? He sure could pull them off! |
Rainbow61 16.01.2019 19:51 |
Thor, In the past you have talked about clubs you and the guys visited with Freddie in NYC. Were there any places you only went to once...and for whatever reason, really disliked and never went to again? Did Freddie suggest where he wanted to go, or did he just leave that up to you and the others? Did you always stick together, or were there times when part of the group went to one club and the rest of the group to another? Were there any instances where you and the others went home, maybe you had to work the next day, but Freddie stayed out longer with Peter (or Paul P.) because he was having too much fun and didn't want to leave? |
Blenkolove 17.01.2019 03:01 |
Stevendabudgie.... Hi!! I watched The Nomi Song on YT.......and I have to say I had NEVER heard of him before....i found him and his 'act' to be completely Bizarre....and yet, like a traffic accident....i just Couldn't Stop Watching!!! This is not meant to be derogatory in Any Way but he reminded me of an amalgamation of Joel Grey from Cabaret, Latka Gravis (Taxi...Aka Andy Kaufman) Ziggy Stardust and Devo....singing Operatic New wave!!! Nomi is SOOO BIZARRE, plus the fact he was performing in NY city......seems like an almost impossibility that he escaped Freddie's notice. I can almost see a 'Nomi' influence in the Video of 'I'm Going Slightly Mad' ?????? Thank You for turning me on to Nomi......i can think of quite a few friends that I want to inquire if they have ever heard of Nomi??!! |
Rainbow61 17.01.2019 03:06 |
What do world famous rock stars do to pass the time while traveling between shows...why they play Scrabble, of course. Thanks Katydyd5 for reposting again. I love how relaxed and happy Freddie looks in this video. I wonder if he played Scrabble as child? One of the most poignant parts of the documentary "Freddie Mercury-The Untold Story" was when Freddie's costumer designer and good friend, Diana Moseley, talks about playing Scrabble with him one day. It was just the two of them. As she left he said to her, "Thank-you for spending the afternoon with an old man.". Try watching that without tearing up. It makes me grateful for all the good friends Freddie had who made sure his final months were filled with love, caring, and friendship. |
thundergod 17.01.2019 04:00 |
Hey Sweetandtenderhooligan, As any gay man, Freddie took a long time to get ready. But this was mostly adjusting his face to perfection. As far as clothes went, he favored some outfits like the yellow striped tee shirt, the light blue jeans, and sometimes the yellow "Dallas" tee-shirt that we have a picture of and was seen, I think, in an interview or a music video. He liked the way he looked in these limited outfits and wore them time and time again. |
thundergod 17.01.2019 04:10 |
Rainbow, We mostly stayed together. I, personally, did not have to be at my 12-hour shift until 6 pm on work days and I believe Lee did not have to go to work until 4 pm. John and Joe had various work days and off days and they came to every outing as they could. In 1981, the West Village had the largest array of bars and clubs and the major dance club, the Saint was the ONLY place to go on a Saturday night. Studio 54 was the Sunday place. |
Katydyd5 17.01.2019 13:38 |
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Anniebee 17.01.2019 16:11 |
Thor, what did “adjusting his face to perfection” entail? Did he wear stuff like eyeliner out? Is there going to be a pic of y’all out or getting ready to go out in your book? |
thundergod 17.01.2019 17:04 |
We never got ready together. In New York, we all had our own apartments. During concerts, we always had our own suites. In London, Freddie had the upstairs, where his bedroom was, and we had the downstairs until he built the Mews section of the Garden Lodge which was a sort of West Wing off of the main house. So we never watched Freddie get ready but would wait (sometimes a bit of a lengthy time) until Phoebe announced that he was ready. The clothes were the usual selection, but his face always looked smooth, fresh, and well cared for. |
thundergod 17.01.2019 17:44 |
To All, I leave today for a six-day intensive book meeting with Lee in Palm Springs. I should be able to get back to QZ on or shortly after Jan. 23rd. Lee has been researching publishers and presenting them to me in order to send our query and proposal (each tweaked to fit their specific requirements) out to as many prospects as possible. We are in FULL gear! |
Katydyd5 17.01.2019 18:00 |
Thor and Lee, I so appreciate all your hard work in getting the book published. Who knew it would be so hard??? |
Anniebee 17.01.2019 19:01 |
Safe travels down to Palm Springs Thor! Tell Lee we miss seeing him on here. I'm glad you both are working so hard on getting this book published and making it something great for us! No matter how long it takes I'm sure none of us will mind waiting. Think of us fondly while you're down there and we're freezing (literally!) :) |
stevendabudgie 17.01.2019 19:18 |
@Blenkolove Nomi really came from outer space- too bizarre even for New York, too different for the alternative music scene, too new for New Wave, too alien for the alienated... :D |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 17.01.2019 20:01 |
Have a wonderful time in Palm Springs, guys! |
Rainbow61 17.01.2019 20:27 |
Thor and Lee, I'm sure it is much easier working on the book when you are in the same place! Sounds like the coming week will be quite productive! Look forward to your next update! |
Anniebee 17.01.2019 20:30 |
@stevendabudgie- Curious, I looked up Klaus Nomi and what an interesting artist! His voice was beautiful but his death was so sad and tragic, apparently he died alone in a cancer ward in NY. I’m grateful that our Freddie had friends to see him through his last days. |
spiralstatic 17.01.2019 22:33 |
I very much would love to ask Thor a question on here, but the project of 97 pages of reading in order to first ascertain whether anything I might ask has or has not already been enquired about is mightily intimidating. However, for now, I do send safe and happy travel wishes. |
NotQuiteAShilling 17.01.2019 22:49 |
Good Luck you guys! It boggles my mind that publishers aren't jumping at this book. It seems like such a sure thing - who wouldn't want these pics and these anecdotes??? Wishing you the BEST of luck on your trip. Sending good vibes your way |
NotQuiteAShilling 17.01.2019 23:13 |
FreddieDarling you are absolutely correct that the "Bowl" is the Milton Keyes concert (Like Thor I was assuming it was Hollywood Bowl too - derp) The version I was watching is almost 2 hours long and they are absolutely AMAZING for the entire time (except for about 20 seconds where Brian can't get his guitar to work during his solo lol) Here is the link if anyone is interested: link Funny part is during Fat Bottom Girls Freddie changes lyrics to "Fat Bottom Girls you made an ASSHOLE outta me" You would never know his hand was injured, or at least I couldn't tell. He played piano great during multiple songs, strummed the hell out of his guitar during Crazy Little Thing, plus he it hanging from poles on upper level and hanging off of Roger's tall cymbal stand during the encore. Another funny part was Freddie talking before playing some Hot Space songs (at about 16:30) He says: "This doesn't mean we've lost our Rock and Roll feel OK? It's only a bloody record. Some people get so excited about these things." Man what a show!! The energy is absolutely incredible |
Blenkolove 18.01.2019 01:25 |
Wishing you both, Thor and Lee, all the best on hooking a publisher!!!.......THIS IS IT!! I can feel it!!! I Can't WAIT to get your book in my hot little hands!!! |
queenbuzz 18.01.2019 01:51 |
Thor, I get so bummed when I see you leave and say you are signing off for a while. Have a great trip though :) |
LeChienfou 18.01.2019 06:08 |
@thundergod Mr. Arnold --- I have been avidly reading this and old threads about your friendship with Freddie Mercury. I grew up enjoying Queen's music IN ITS ERA but cannot say I was "into" the band as much as other groups at the time (Bowie in particular). But having just taken my daughters to see "Bohemian Rhapsody", I became utterly fascinated about Freddie's life and his creative genius. I have many questions to ask, but will start with two--- and forgive me if this was asked and answered, I haven't read EVERY page of this forum. What did you think the the film? Why in research I subsequently did about Freddie Mercury's friendships, and affairs, are you reported as having died of AIDS? Many thanks in advance. |
The Squirrelly One 18.01.2019 20:50 |
Thor dicsuused his thoughts on the movie here a few months ago. From what I remember he wasn't impressed with how they portrayed Freddie. He let us know contrary to the movie Freddie was never pining for Mary nor was he constantly depressed. He loved being gay and enjoying gay culture. Something the movie made look like a negative thing. Sorry I don't remember what page his summary was on but it was around the first day the movie came out in America. I've been looking up Freddie info for years and I've never once seen anyone claim Thor died?? Where did you find that? If you do make it through both threads he is involved with you'll find 2 photos of him (one recent one from 2018 worth a fan of Freddie's) and it's the same ol' Thor. Handsome as always and very much alive lol. |
NotQuiteAShilling 18.01.2019 21:14 |
AnnieBee - in regards to Hot Space...I confess that I LOVE Body Language (Don't Talk!) and I am also a huge fan of Calling All Girls. I was 16 when MTV first came out and Calling all Girls got heavy rotation. I think it is such a cool video with the robots. Queen confessions lol..... I thought back chat was so silly and cringe worthy when I first listened to it and found the video with Freddie's disco dancing. But yep it is growing on me. I will have to check out Cool Cat. An article I found that is PRO-Hot Space that gives this album credit for trying new things for the band: link |
RON_JEREMY_fucks_your_wife_hard 19.01.2019 00:33 |
Hi Thor and Lee, great initiative to publish a book. Will it also have (gay) pornographic content? I hope so!! |
RON_JEREMY_fucks_your_wife_hard 19.01.2019 00:35 |
“I’M THE ONE AND ONLY RON JEREMY - NICKNAMED ‘THE HEDGEHOG’. I’M THE KING OF PORN AND ALWAYS RIGHT. MY HOBBIES ARE FUCKING SOMEONE ELSE’S WIFE AND BOWLING” |
stevendabudgie 19.01.2019 05:34 |
@Blenkolove @Anniebee Imagine Nomi singing Cabelle's parts in "Barcelona" |
runner_70 19.01.2019 08:29 |
NotQuiteAShilling wrote: Good Luck you guys! It boggles my mind that publishers aren't jumping at this book. It seems like such a sure thing - who wouldn't want these pics and these anecdotes??? Wishing you the BEST of luck on your trip. Sending good vibes your wayNot every publisher is keen on having a "kiss and tell" book in his portfolio put together by so-called "loyal friends" who boast about having sex with a (dead) celebrity who cannot defend himself anymore... |
Anniebee 19.01.2019 16:26 |
@NotQuiteAShilling: Thanks for the article! That’s pretty much how I feel about Hot Space, but I guess being a later Queen fan I can appreciate it more so than those who were Queen fans from the beginning and then all of a sudden heard this strange album that didn’t sound like their other stuff. I’m thinking the time Freddie spent in New York influenced this album because a lot of the songs are probably similar to what was on the radio here. It reminds me of the 80s I grew up in and I really like it more than most people do. @stevendabudgie: I think Nomi could have pulled off Montserrat’s vocals on Barcelona, his voice was marvelous! |
Freddienotfreddy 20.01.2019 00:18 |
NotQuiteAShilling, I was just listening to the Milton Keynes concert. Another funny bit is when Freddie adlibs "bite the dick" during Another Bites the Dust. |
PAPA EMERITUS XIV 20.01.2019 18:57 |
“Black smoke is coming out of our chimneys. There is a new UNHOLY EVIL POPE: PAPA EMERITUS XIV, successor of the late PAPA EMERITUS IV !!! ALL HAIL TO PAPA EMERITUS XIV....THOU SHALL ALL OBEY HIM !!!” The Clergy has spoken! |
Jo T. 21.01.2019 02:37 |
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Jo T. 21.01.2019 04:03 |
Sorry, I tried but couldn't delete my previous blank post. It was unintentionally sent. I thought I was relatively computer savvy and literate as a person - till I joined QZ! LOL I'm a newbie. Am I the only one who feels the Web site is slow and in need of an upgrade? BTW, how the h - - - do I delete a post I made? Thor 'n Lee, buena suerte! I hope you both land a book deal during your time in CA (Thor, I'm the one that sent you an e-mail when I couldn't upload photos into QZ Fan Art.). |
Katydyd5 21.01.2019 04:09 |
Jo T. Hi and welcome. I've yet to figure out how to delete a post, and if you go back a page or so you'll find a blank post from me that I was unable to delete just like yours. Maybe someone else knows how to do that.. |
DCQueenLuvr 21.01.2019 16:49 |
I'm still trying to figure out how to apply directly to someone's post without copying and pasting what they said in a new box. Any directions on how to do that? |
Anniebee 24.01.2019 12:53 |
So I took my girls to the Panic! At the Disco concert last night and got a video of the band singing Bohemian Rhapsody, thought I would share it with you all. I think moments like these keep Freddie’s memory alive, because there’s about 12,000 Panic! fans all singing Bohemian Rhapsody and hopefully finding and listening to the rest of Queen’s music! Link to video below link |
Katydyd5 24.01.2019 17:07 |
Thanks for sharing Anniebee! I often wonder what Freddie would have thought if he had known BR would be a song that audiences would still be singing with the performers. I'm sure he could not have imagined this or that he would be so loved long past his short time on earth. I'm grateful the movie has opened up a whole new fan base for Freddie and Queen. I believe Freddie and the band will still be at the top long after I'm gone because they are so unique and special. |
thundergod 24.01.2019 17:44 |
Hello All, I am back in town after a very good meeting with Lee. We worked on the book and improved and updated our manuscript and proposal to reflect the excitement about the movie, the drawbacks of Freddie's true character portrayal, and the recent Golden Globe wins and Oscar nominations. Good to be back! Now, I need to start sending it out to as many literary agents and publishers as possible. I will be very busy...but will always make some time for all of YOU! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 18:02 |
I'm so happy to see you back, Thor! How was Palm Springs? |
thundergod 24.01.2019 18:28 |
Ha Ha Sweet, Palm Springs was GREAT! The bookwork was time-consuming but with a fine sense of accomplishment! Now it's up to the publishing gods! |
Anniebee 24.01.2019 18:49 |
Good to see you back again Thor! Glad you and Lee got a chance to get together, regroup, and work on this book to make sure it will get some interest. I’m hoping you get some good leads with this! It will be nice to see all of the hard work you both have put into it pay off. :) |
Rainbow61 24.01.2019 23:41 |
Hi Thor, You and Lee sound re-energized. Glad to hear that! I am curious about your writing process. Do you and Lee discuss ideas, write down notes, and then expand on the notes? Do you both take turns typing or is one of you responsible for that task? Are you doing your own editing or do you have someone else helping you with that? You both have your own unique writing styles…is this book a combination of those styles so that you speak as “one voice, or are you each sharing your memories separately? Just trying to get a behind-the-scenes peek at how this book came together. Thanks! |
Katydyd5 25.01.2019 00:22 |
Glad to see you back Thor! As Rainbow said, you certainly do sound re-energized and that is wonderful to see. Fingers crossed!! |
Jo T. 25.01.2019 01:41 |
Honestly, I can't imagine why a publisher would NOT want to publish your and Lee's book. Publishers should be vying for it. Strike while the iron is hot, hot, hot! |
NotQuiteAShilling 25.01.2019 03:23 |
Welcome back Thor! We missed you guys, but so glad you had such a productive and uplifting time! It's in the Lap of the Gods now...C'mon publishers - pay attention dang it! |
thundergod 25.01.2019 05:40 |
Thanks all for your support! I managed to get 5 more queries and proposals off today. One said they would only accept a two-page query by regular mail and would need 8 weeks to get back. Are you kidding me?. Anyway, the other 5 seemed reasonable. |
thundergod 25.01.2019 15:39 |
Hey Rainbow, I will try to answer your questions. The whole query and proposal have been written for months as has the entire manuscript. Updating the proposal was done by me. .As Lee likes to say, writing is never done and editing and improvements are ongoing throughout the process. Basically, we started with me reading the current paragraphs then pausing to make improvements to the sentence structure, punctuation, and grammar with a discussion between us to exchange better words, more commas and hyphens, and thesaurus utilization to prevent repeated words being too close together, which sounds awkward when reading back. Then, we would switch roles, where Lee was at the computer and I listened to his reading the passages out loud. This technique worked well for us and we were both very satisfied with the results. |
thundergod 25.01.2019 15:49 |
Continuing... As you pointed out, Lee and I do have different writing styles. In our full manuscript of 17 chapters, it is obvious who is narrating the story. But, for the query and proposal, I listed in the sampling of four chapters the ones that Lee wrote. and the ones I wrote. We chose two of mine and two of his. |
Rainbow61 25.01.2019 21:19 |
Hi Thor, Thanks for giving us “behind the scenes” access! For novice writers, it’s great that you and Lee hit your stride relatively early and figured out how to tackle this book project. It sounds like you formed an effective partnership. Can you imagine doing this back in the days when you only had a manual typewriter...or better yet, a fountain pen and pads of paper (think Tolstoy writing “War and Peace”). I took a typing class in high school. We had to choose between learning on a manual typewriter or an electric. Most people recommended leaning on a manual because you didn't know if you would have access to an electric typewriter once you left class. So I "wisely" chose to learn on the manual. That makes me laugh now. And where does one see a manual typewriter these days.…probably in your grandparent’s attic or a history museum! |
Katydyd5 26.01.2019 00:55 |
Thanks for sharing more of your writing process Thor. Did you have any idea what you two were getting into when you started? I think there is always room for editing when writing, especially if you take some time away from the piece and then take another look. You guys also discovered another invaluable technique when you read out loud to each other. Seeing it in print and hearing it can yield two very different interpretations. When I'm writing emails or posts on FB or here on this forum I don't worry so much about correctness because I'm having fun. When I had to write professionally it was much more tedious and worrisome. I was on several committees that wrote grant proposals and I thought that was deadly boring. I believe I was put on those committees more because of my ability to call BS when necessary rather than my writing skills. It sounds like you two are doing something similar to grant proposals when writing the queries to publishers. If so, I feel your pain. As always, thanks for your effort. It IS going to pay off. |
NotQuiteAShilling 26.01.2019 01:13 |
Rainbow61 - I took typing class in high school too. We all had electric at that point - early 80's. What I remember most is how LOUD that class was LOL! Remember White Out and the correction tape - what a pain that was! Pen and paper or ink wells and scrolls - I can't even imagine... |
Rainbow61 26.01.2019 03:11 |
NotQuiteAShilling, I took typing in 79 or 80...I'm sure they switched to electric typewriters soon after. I've never been a strong typist, so Wite-Out and correction tape were my best friends! I often remember being impatient for the Wite-Out to dry and typing a bit too soon.... only to end up with a blurry, blob of a corrected letter! I don't know if Freddie ever used a typewriter in his life...but the thought of that high-energy guy having to sit in front of a type writer and do any writing is rather amusing. Thor...I know that sadly, some of your very good friends from the time period you knew Freddie have passed away, but for those who are still around, did you have to get their permission before including any pictures with them in your book? If yes, is that something that publishers require? Just wondering how that works. Thanks again for feeding my never-ending curiosity! |
Katydyd5 26.01.2019 03:17 |
Rainbow, I enjoy your "never-ending" curiosity and I hope you'll keep asking questions. You often put into words things that I didn't even realize I was wondering about until you ask. And thanks to Thor and Lee for the patience to answer and educate. |
thundergod 26.01.2019 03:42 |
Rainbow, Unless we are told differently, these photos are the property of Lee. Most of the content of our pictures, unfortunately, besides me, Lee and Phoebe, are no longer with us. May they rest in peace. |
NotQuiteAShilling 26.01.2019 03:54 |
Thor (and Lee) I cannot imagine the magnitude of losing 85% of your close friends to AIDS. I'm so sorry you had to go through that |
thundergod 26.01.2019 04:21 |
Dear NotQuiteAShilling, Thank you for your kind, comforting thoughts. With much appreciation, Thor |
Rainbow61 26.01.2019 05:18 |
Thor and Lee, A sobering reminder of too many people lost far too soon. I hope the friends and family of those who are no longer here will read your book and smile when they see those pictures of happier moments in the lives of those they loved. |
runner_70 26.01.2019 06:32 |
Jo T. wrote: Honestly, I can't imagine why a publisher would NOT want to publish your and Lee's book. Publishers should be vying for it. Strike while the iron is hot, hot, hot!Some Publishers have something against indiscrete kiss and tell books by "friends" trying to cash in on a dead person |
queenbuzz 26.01.2019 13:54 |
runner_70 With all due respect (and I mean it very respectfully not sarcastically) If you read through all of Lee and Thors posts, they are very careful and thoughtful to not exploit Freddie and his memory and always redirect comments to a positive perspective when discussing the past. It is evident to me of their intentions. Their memories are not salacious but I feel that after the movie and the increased interest they feel burdened to share the side of Freddie they knew. Lee and Thor, Press on as hard as it may be. I am sure if nothing else you are reliving precious memories that you ordinarily would not have thought of and that is priceless. |
Annie65 26.01.2019 20:07 |
Hi all...first time posting for me. I really want to say how much I’m enjoying this thread and sincerely thank Thor and Lee for sharing themselves and their memories here. Like a lot of people, I became so curious about Freddie after seeing the movie and started reading and watching everything I could to learn more about him. I loved Queen’s music as a teenager but never really knew much about the band and now am finding myself nearly obsessed! I can’t explain why but I often get incredibly sad after reading about or hearing some of his songs (probably because I’m 53 and going through hot flashes like crazy!). It’s been great to read from good sources that Freddie did enjoy life and was happy so thank you for that! I don’t have any questions right now but am happy to keep reading and ask questions when I have some. |
Rainbow61 26.01.2019 21:02 |
Welcome Annie 65 (and a belated welcome to LeChienfou and Jo T.) Annie65...I completely understand how you feel...there are songs and video clips that always fill me with such sadness and a sense of loss. I can barely watch "These Are The Days of Our Lives" without tearing up. I can't imagine what it is like for Thor and Lee. With few exceptions, this is simply a fun community of Freddie fans who have gathered to celebrate his extraordinary talent. Every new person is a welcome addition to the Freddie family! |
NotQuiteAShilling 26.01.2019 23:09 |
Rainbow 61 I agree with Katydid - I also love your curiosity. Your questions always have such a unique and interesting angle - and it's always things that I also want to know but wouldn't have thought to ask. Welcome Annie65! I am one year behind you (oh no I don't want hot flashes grrr) and I also loved Queen in middle school and high school. For me it wasn't the movie that began my obsession, but rather the Queen stuff coming out all over the internet prior to the movie release. When I watched the Live Aid performance footage - well that was it. Completely hooked and loving every minute of it. Welcome to the forum - it's a wonderful place! |
NotQuiteAShilling 26.01.2019 23:15 |
Speaking of videos that stir the emotions - I found this one the other day. It's all Freddie and Jim (and Thor I think you are in it for a microsecond in the yard of Garden Lodge). It's really really sweet. The music they used was I Was Meant To Love You - but it's a version with only piano. This one tugged my heartstrings for sure... link |
thundergod 27.01.2019 00:15 |
Possibly some good news friends... A publisher from London located a short distance from the Garden Lodge, of all places, wrote the following: "...you will be pleased to know that our Board of Editors have reported back favourably regarding your initial submission. Therefore, they now wish to view your complete manuscript in its final form." Sounds positive, but I also sent out five more queries last night to keep the ball rolling. Fingers crossed, please! |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 00:23 |
I can get through "These Are The Days of Our Lives" now, though not the first time. However, the MAKING of "These Are The Days" rips me apart every time. I think it's watching Freddie, working so hard to perfect his performance when he was so clearly in pain that gets to me. It's also hard to see him trying to get his appearance just right. Another song I have trouble with is "No One But You". They've chosen the perfect shots of Freddie through the years and the words are so poignant that I still cry every time I watch. One other song that brings me to tears every time is "Mother Love" because it's so raw and honest. When Brian's voice comes in on the third verse to complete the song, it breaks my heart. Since I only listen to my CD's in the car, I have to force myself to look straight ahead when I'm stopped at a light so that I don't have to acknowledge other drivers who might be looking at a crying fool. In spite of the sadness these songs still bring me joy because of the talent of the man and the band behind the songs. I will always admire his drive to work as long and hard as he could, and I'll always be amazed at what he was able to accomplish at that time. |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 00:46 |
Thanks for sharing that video NotQuiteAShilling, there was a lot of happiness there! There were some photos I had not seen before and I'm always pleased to see new photos. I've always liked Jim and I'm glad they found each other even though it was for a relatively short time. I recently saw the statement Brian May released on the occasion of Jim's death. I've just searched for it, but of course I can't find it. I'll paraphrase but basically Brian said that Jim was a good man who was not impressed by the fame and lifestyle of a rock star so he was perfect for Freddie. He gave Freddie that grounding in normalcy that Freddie treasured. Thor and Lee, and all the NYDaughters, did the same. |
Annie65 27.01.2019 01:06 |
Thank you Rainbow and NotQuiteAShilling ...it’s nice to be here! I still haven’t made it through the entirety of These Are the Days video.....Its a tough one. Funnily enough, I was a huge Highlander fan and listening to Who Wants to Live Forever never bothered me back then.....now...it’s the one that makes me cry. Oh...and last night, for some reason, it was In the Lap of the Gods. Go figure. And honestly....I’m not a sad person.....quite positive and upbeat actually. And NotQuiteAShilling, the hot flashes arent so bad as long as you look them in the eye and have a lot of sleeveless tops! LOL. By the way....my name is Ann......as if you couldn’t guess. :) |
Annie65 27.01.2019 01:08 |
By the way....I never would have posted here if this group didn’t seem so welcoming and kind. Thanks. |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 01:08 |
Oh wow Thor, that is fantastic news!!!!!!!!!!!!! That sounds VERY positive. This may be a silly question, but do you have multiple copies of your manuscript? Do they all contain the pictures? I can only imagine that making copies must be part of the expense of writing a book. I am learning so much about the world of publishing from you. My fingers are crossed for sure!!! |
thundergod 27.01.2019 01:21 |
Hi Katydyd, I have a few copies of the manuscript, but then, if Lee or I make changes, it needs to be copied all over again. As far as photos go, there are six that go out with our queries and only the same six with the full manuscript. We are not going to give out any other photos until we have them copywritten and that won't be until we have both signed a publishing contract. |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 01:36 |
I'm glad to hear about the photos Thor. I'm not quite as trusting as I was when I was younger and I would be hesitant to let those photos out of your sight. I think you should repost your publishing news. A lot of us are on a posting roll tonight and I'm afraid it got buried. I want everyone to see it!! |
thundergod 27.01.2019 01:40 |
Repeat posting per request- Possibly some good news friends... A publisher from London located a short distance from the Garden Lodge, of all places, wrote the following: "...you will be pleased to know that our Board of Editors have reported back favourably regarding your initial submission. Therefore, they now wish to view your complete manuscript in its final form." Sounds positive, but I also sent out five more queries last night to keep the ball rolling. Fingers crossed, please! |
Annie65 27.01.2019 01:59 |
Great news about the book! |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 02:24 |
I'm a little late to the thread. I really didn't appreciate how great a person Freddie was, until I saw Bohemian Rhapsody and, started doing my own reading and research, afterwards. I've always been a Queen fan, but, I'm a little ashamed to say, here, in a thread about Freddie, that I didn't come to truly love him, until BR.....oh, I "loved" him, loved his music, his great voice, but, not until BR and doing a lot of reading and visiting sites such as this, did I come to love him for himself, for the beautiful, inside and out, person he really was....yes, Freddie, in my opinion, was a gorgeous man, teeth and all, I actually think his teeth added to his uniquely, beautiful look. RIP, Freddie, I'll always love you. |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 02:46 |
I'll add my welcome Annie65 and also a welcome to anyone else I may have missed. This is a great group of people. |
Anniebee 27.01.2019 02:52 |
Thor, great news about the interest in the book! I knew all of the hard work you and Lee have put into this would start paying off soon! Also reading back through the posts, I get the feeling that while this book has been a great way for y’all to look back at great memories, I wonder if it has been a bit bittersweet as well. It breaks my heart to hear about the large number of friends you and Lee have lost to aids over the years; that’s why I’m happy to see all of the love coming to both of you on this forum. You guys deserve it and I can’t wait to see this wonderful work of FRIENDSHIP come to life. I think it’s a great way to honor those who have gone before us. :) |
Anniebee 27.01.2019 02:55 |
And warmest welcomes to Annie65, LeChienfou and Jo T!! Love to see new people participating! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.01.2019 03:05 |
Thor- what music did they play in the clubs when you would go to them? |
Jo T. 27.01.2019 03:49 |
Lee, I assume you're Irish Catholic because of "Nolan," am I right? FYI, I learned that St. Francis de Sales is the patron saint of writers and journalists. His feast day was actually 2 days ago - every Jan. 24th! Thus, we should all pray to St. Francis de Sales that Lee and Thor secure a book deal in the near future. BTW, I'm not even Catholic! LOL |
thundergod 27.01.2019 04:01 |
Ha ha Sweet, That is easy....disco, disco, and more disco. Gays, people of color and many women could not get enough of it! The "disco is dead" movement was mostly straight white men. Even to this day, I hear old disco melodies renewed even in some rap songs. I Was Born to Love You was Freddie's tribute to disco, which never really died. Although Freddie never liked to dance, he accompanied the New York daughters to the most popular gay disco of the time period, namely, "The Saint, where the dance floor was highlighted with a real Planetarium machine and a domed roof. Stars, planets and galaxies would suddenly appear on the ceiling as the crowd went wild. Freddie loved the place! |
NotQuiteAShilling 27.01.2019 04:01 |
SO EXCITING THOR!!!!!! I like the fact that they are close to Garden Lodge. Like it was meant to be. Like Freddie's helping you Fingers (and toes and anything else I can find) are crossed! please please please be the one |
thundergod 27.01.2019 04:09 |
Hi Jo T. Lee is working today, so on his behalf, I will answer for him. Lee IS Catholic (Italian and Irish) but is not a practicing one. Christianity has never been very kind nor accepting of the LBGT community. We both tend to be quite spiritual but shy away from organized religion for obvious reasons. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 04:11 |
But we will pray to any Saint who would like to help us...lol |
thundergod 27.01.2019 04:15 |
Thank you NotQuiteAShilling, Freddie was immediately in my thoughts when we got this interesting news about this publisher being near the Garden Lodge! |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 04:24 |
Hey, what am I, chopped liver? Lol... |
thundergod 27.01.2019 04:31 |
Sorry, Chopped Liver...LOL, I mean ForFreddie, Welcome to this forum, ForFreddie, you seem like OUR type of people who loved and still love this man! I did not mean to ignore you at all. We all love new people to our site! |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 04:52 |
Thor....lol... nice sense of humor.... I get a little, testy sometimes, most people just ignore me...I was beginning to wonder, though, if one needed to be a long time poster to be here....you all seem to know each other. I actually do have a question, you're probably the best person to ask, I kinda hate to, because it might be a little, sensitive? Ok.... I am really wondering how everyone felt about Mary.... truthfully.... because, I'm feeling not so kindly towards her, after reading all kinds of negative things about her...but, if what I'm reading is wrong, I'd really love to know, Freddie loved her, I know and, I don't want to think/believe she really wasn't what anyone thought. If you tell me, she really was everything Freddie thought her to be....and, she really didn't do/say some of the awful things I've heard, I'll believe you.... If you can't talk about it, I'll understand. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 05:21 |
This topic sometimes exasperates people, but I will keep it simple and in terms of what I witnessed. Mary was always polite but always quiet while Freddie was alive. She would sit with us sometimes but was always very quiet. It gave me the impression that she was not interested in Freddie's gay friends nor what we had to say. Her departure again was polite but lacked a certain sincerity. That was fine with me as long as she was so important to Freddie. I happened to be in London a few months after Freddie's death. Although Phoebe knew he would eventually have to leave, his dismissal from the Garden Lodge was not as amicable as I thought it should have been. That is all I would like to say on this topic. |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 05:31 |
Ok, thanks, you have said , without being too personal, what I do already suspect. |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 05:40 |
I went to the theater with my daughter in law to see Bohemian Rhapsody...she's also a fan....my 10 year old granddaughter went with us. During the movie, my granddaughter leans over to me and said, " I hope they don't focus on his death too much." Her mother must have told her the Queen/Freddie Mercury story. |
queenfan09 27.01.2019 05:42 |
I'm a newbie (but long time lurker) and I've finally caught up on this thread - lol. Best of luck Thor & Lee on the final manuscript! I also hope you receive additional positive feedback with regard to your other submissions. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 06:08 |
Welcome QueenFan, So glad you decided to join us. And...you actually read the whole thread. Did you read my old blog too...if not, that's another 113 pages. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 06:10 |
Check out "Clarification of Thor Arnold's relationship with Freddie". It's another 113 pages...sorry.It's a long read. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 06:11 |
oops, queenfan09, I meant. |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 06:21 |
Thor, where is that, 'clarification' thread? |
thundergod 27.01.2019 06:36 |
Under the search menu just put in Thor Arnold and you should see it. |
Rainbow61 27.01.2019 08:47 |
Thor, How exciting…did not realize you were looking internationally for publishers, but of course, that makes complete sense. You have a ton of good wish vibes coming from all over…a multi-country YEAH!!! To submit a full manuscript to a publisher are you actually sending them a paper copy you have printed out, an SD card, or do you download your manuscript directly to the publisher? There is probably an obvious answer to this, but I have no idea. Looking ahead....Do you and Lee get to design a cover for the book or offer suggestions, or is that something the publisher does and you won't have a part in? |
Zori 27.01.2019 09:05 |
raucousmonster wrote: I love the idea of Freddie being too shy to approach someone in a club. It's just one more endearing thing about him. Mind you, as someone else pointed out here already there's nothing shy about walking up to Jim and demanding to know how big his member was. Maybe the showbiz sherbet gave him extra confidence that night. ;)yea, this is good point. How this shy man went so directly to Jim ? |
Anniebee 27.01.2019 10:23 |
Welcome ForFreddie! I think we’ve all felt like chopped liver at one point or another in this forum, but I’m pretty sure it’s because of the setup and not anyone intentionally ignoring. Sometimes posts get lost in other posts and it’s hard to go back and figure out where to start replying. You can always ask again if you don’t get a reply the first time! |
Villiers2 27.01.2019 13:42 |
I hope Thor doesn't mind, but I had to share the news. As some of you know, I run a Queen themed page on a few social media sites. Anyway I use our largest page (Instagram) to promote things I believe in and support. One being the book from Thor and Lee. Recently I put a Queen and Freddie Merch pack together for a giveaway on the site and let people know any donation to the Mercury Phoenix Trust will get their names added to the raffle 5 times for a better chance to win. Included in the giveaway pack are 2 vintage shirts (plus 2 non vintage), 2 books- Peter Freestone's Freddie Mercury and Jim Hutton's Mercury and Me, a 20 pack of The Tea Book's Freddie themed tea (Bohemian Raspberry) and decorative Freddie sticker. The giveaway closes February 25th and I'm pleased to say that after only 5 days, we've donated well over $100 to the MPT. I'm thrilled! link But I bring this up because I know some of you donated to Thor and Lee's GoFundMe page and entered to win our Freddie LED lamp and I wanted to let everyone know that's also still open. Thor and Lee have raised the goal on GFM, and I'm keeping an eye on it. I'll announce the winner once we make our goal! I didn't want anyone to think I forgot about the GFM raffle while this other giveaway is happening. I got a few hundred messages from fans who want us to do a live chat about the New York Daughters since I brought you and Lee up on a recent live. I'll have to reread the threads again to gather up info, but if there's any message you or Lee would like me to tell the fans during that live, lemme know! |
queenfan09 27.01.2019 14:07 |
Thanks for the welcome Thor! I'll go find that thread and finish catching up - sorry, I couldn't figure out how to show I'm replying to a specific post. |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 17:22 |
ForFreddie, I debated about weighing in on Mary because I don't want to see anything negative erupt here, but I like her. I take what I think about her from Freddie and his twenty year association with her. If you read "Freddie Mercury His Life In His Own Words", the chapter that addresses Mary is short but very loving. I know some things that happened after his death seem negative, but he did provide for all three Garden Lodge men, including a home in Ireland for Jim. From what I've read, the probate laws in GB are the reason for some of what happened. I also think people deal with grief in very personal ways and sometimes the actions surrounding the death of a loved one are not what a person might normally do. I feel sure Jim Beach would have informed Freddie in great detail about his will, so I have to trust that what happened was expected by Freddie. Lee had some very positive words about Mary a few pages back, and both Thor and Lee always remark on how important Mary was to Freddie. In her defense, I have to say that were you to meet me in person, you might be surprised at how quiet I can be if I am with people I don't know well. I'm very shy and often contribute little to a conversation because I feel that what I have to say might be inadequate or unimportant. My extreme quiet would have nothing to do with lack of interest in what people were saying, be they gay or straight. It's just who I am in certain situations. Having said that, if I am comfortable with you, then there's no shutting me up. I've actually been asked if I have an "off" button. Freddie said Mary was shy and quiet and many interviews with people who knew them say the same thing. I give her the benefit of the doubt. I also give Freddie the benefit of the doubt for having relationships he enjoyed that don't always make sense to me. Mary does make sense. However I have to remind myself that Freddie liked Peter Straker, Barbara Valentin and Paul Prenter, and what I may think of any of them is unimportant. Freddie was a strong individual with strong likes and who he loved/liked or had any relationship with has to be trusted by those of us looking on from the outside. He was a strong personality and I'm just happy he had people in his life who loved him. |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 17:28 |
Hey Villiers, I'm not on Instagram, though I do peek in at your page once in a while. Very clever! I'm always interested in those live chats you mention. Am I right in assuming that the only way to access those is to get an Instagram account? I'm not likely to do that because it would be one more piece added to the screen time I already indulge in too frequently. Have you ever considered doing them on YouTube?? Since I already access YouTube it wouldn't really be an addition to my screen addiction, or so I'd like to tell myself.. |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 17:34 |
I thought Jim already had his home in Ireland? I had already expressed my thoughts on Mary, in another thread, but thought if I could get some insight from someone who was actually there, I could lay it all to rest, once and for all. I know it's probably a touchy subject, but, I do believe I got the answer I already knew to be true, it was actually, solidified for me.....I'll let the matter drop now. You're right, no matter what happened, Freddie was happy, at least he seemed to be, so that's all that should matter....no matter what. Correct? |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 17:40 |
ForFreddie, have you read Mercury and Me by Jim Hutton? He talks about designing the house in Ireland with Freddie before he died. Though Freddie never saw the house, I believe he financed it. It has been a while since I read the book. |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 18:17 |
Katy....no, I haven't, I just thought I'd read somewhere that Jim had a house in Ireland, some interview that now, I don't remember who was doing the talking. I'll have to locate all of those books, they sound like good reads. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 18:20 |
Hey Rainbow, 99% of the publishers so far have a submission download box along with instructions on what they would like to see included and how it should be presented (which is the hard part). As far as the cover goes, our idea is for the picture Lee took of all the four" daughters" surrounding "mother" Freddie on an elegant stairway in the lobby of Freddie's hotel, circa 1981. It is one of our best photos! However, when we will work with a graphic artist, this could change. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 18:25 |
Welcome Zori, Glad you joined us here. I think you will like it. Enjoy! All the best, Thor and Lee |
Rainbow61 27.01.2019 18:31 |
A big welcome to ForFreddie, queenfan09, and Zori. Glad you joined us! ForFreddie...Yes, it might seem like many of us know each other, addressing one another by "name". I think it is just a comfort level we quickly develop once we take the plunge to make that first post. Sometimes that is the hardest part...It definitely was for me. Everyone has their own unique story as to when and why they became a Freddie fan. I value the stories and questions of the new folk equally with the experienced posters...you absolutely do NOT have to be a long time poster to have a voice here. One Freddie fan is as important as the next. Anniebee is correct...sometimes posts get "lost" in other posts. I've asked questions a second time because often by the time I compose my answer and post it, I am a few pages behind. I also have no idea how to edit my post, or do the reply thing in a box...so queenfan09, I'm right with you on that one. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 18:37 |
Hi Villiers, Are you kidding? I don't mind ANY of your projects and generosity. How fun!...a free Freddie merchandise raffle and money raising for Mercury Phoenix Trust- a great cause. I love it, I love it, I love it. I am still hoping that the Freddie LED light gets somehow forfeited down to ME!...LOL |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 18:37 |
Rainbow61.... other forums generally have a feature...'reply with quote,' so I don't know how to directy quote someone here, either. Thanks for the welcome! |
Katydyd5 27.01.2019 18:44 |
Hey ForFreddie, someone else here taught me this trick. If you want to edit your post, or reply with a quote, you can do it. Drag your cursor slowly past the date of the post you want to use in the blank area next to the date. You have to be slow. Three tiny, and I mean tiny, dashes appear. If you rest near each dash, it will tell you what that particular dash allows you to do. I think you will find what you want there. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 18:55 |
I absolutely love all the interesting conversations happening between our wonderful respondents. Of course, the welcoming committee was not even my idea but is proving to be a great way to make newbies feel perfectly comfortable here. Those people know who they are and I thank you all so much! |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 19:06 |
I feel like Freddie was a part of my life, silly, I know, because I never even met the man. My daughter and her best friend in highschool, played Bohemian Rhapsody in the car and, did the Mike Meyers thing....as they were driving. That best friend of my daughter's, looked a lot like Freddie, she also had big front teeth, I remember saying, to my daughter, 'Christy' looks like Freddie Mercury, my daughter laughed, said, " no she doesn't," then came out of her room a few minutes later, with some pictures and said, "OMG, she DOES!"..... She had the same hair style too, the one from the Bohemian Rhapsody days. To this day, when I see that certain picture of Freddie, I think of 'Christy'..... LOL... |
thundergod 27.01.2019 19:15 |
That is so funny! Thanks for sharing that info with us ForFreddie. |
Annie65 27.01.2019 19:59 |
I remember this being discussed earlier either on this thread or Thor’s previous one so sorry if I’m being repetitive but I can’t remember everyone’s thoughts on it. I think I remember reading that Freddie really didn’t work out and I have to wonder if he maybe did a little during the time before Live Aid. His upper body looks more developed to me during that performance but I can’t really tell. I also don’t know if I really see it in any other photos or performances from around the same time. Does anyone else? Maybe just the camera? I love watching the Live Aid clip....for the brilliance of the whole band ....especially Freddie and because he really looks so happy and healthy in it! |
thundergod 27.01.2019 20:25 |
Let's ask the others. In New York, Freddie purchased a fancy set of work out weights and machines BUT I never saw him working out and he would joke about how nice it looked but how little he used it. Late '83 to early '85, I do not know if Freddie was able to include working-out in Germany. To me, body-wise, he always looked similar whenever I saw him until, of course, when he seriously started to lose a lot of weight due to his illness. |
Anniebee 27.01.2019 20:41 |
Looking at pics from Live Aid and pics from other concerts he does look a little more buff in the arms and shoulders. Maybe he was doing a bunch of pushups? Or it could be the outfit and accessories made him look bigger. Most of what I heard is that he did not work out, but who knows. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 20:47 |
Let's not forget about the great cardio-workout he had every time on stage. |
Anniebee 27.01.2019 21:20 |
Maybe it was the great “cardio workouts” he had with Jim ?!? (Wink wink). Actually, does anyone know if Jim worked out back then? You know when you’re in a new relationship and you do things the other person shows interest in, maybe that’s what happened. |
ForFreddie 27.01.2019 21:36 |
Actually, I'd like to know things like, what were Freddie's favorite foods, favorite color..was he a Democrat or a Republican, did he like dogs, as well as cats.... people usually want to know about his musical life, his relationships, I want to know the other things, the things that people don't seem to ask about. |
Anniebee 27.01.2019 22:03 |
ForFreddie have you read either Peter Freestone, Jim Hutton or David Minns books? May give you some insight. Also Villiers2 has an Instagram she mentioned earlier, she hosts lives and sometimes has an “ask anything” story, she has lots of information on these topics. |
Anniebee 27.01.2019 22:07 |
Thor, thinking about the pictures you and Lee are putting in this book, what do you have to do to make sure nobody uses them elsewhere? Are y’all considering doing both a hard copy book and an e-book? |
Annie65 27.01.2019 22:09 |
As for the cardio workout....that stage at Wembley was enormous! No wonder he felt exhausted! So awesome that he gave so much of himself. |
thundergod 27.01.2019 22:35 |
Villiers2, GoFundMe is exploding...are these your followers from your live program that are being so generous? |
Anniebee 28.01.2019 00:11 |
It’s awesome that the GoFundMe has hit its goal! I feel like all of the pieces are falling into place! Woohoo! |
thundergod 28.01.2019 00:19 |
Unbelievable! |
Villiers2 28.01.2019 00:38 |
Thor, I did get a few people asking for the link over the last 48 hours after I mentioned you guys in passing during a live, but the real boom should come (hopefully) after I do a live entirely about the NY Daughters. During the last live I mentioned John Murphy and named you guys as the sources for my info on that. Just from that alone, everyone wants an episode dedicated to just you guys. I got tons of requests to learn more about you and Lee. The last time I made a post about the GFM, we only had about 4K people. Now we're over 13K so the book definitely needs a proper promo there soon And to who ever asked (sorry I forget the username!) I do think you would need an account on Instagram to listen to the lives, unfortunately. Instagram only saves our live chats for 24 hours, so a few followers have suggested I use an app to screen record the lives and add them to YouTube, so I may have to break down and try it. I'll definitely keep you updated |
thundergod 28.01.2019 00:49 |
Villiers, I already reopened my seldom used Instagram account. When is your next live broadcast? |
Villiers2 28.01.2019 01:03 |
Thor, it's usually held on Fridays or Saturdays at 5pm CST (depending on my schedule) so I'll keep you posted on that. But the NY Daughters live may have to wait until the weekend of the 8th, with all the pages I'll have to reread to gather up info lol. I usually open questions on my page for 24 hours about whatever topic we're covering, and I let the followers ask whatever want to know and with that, I gather info and write up a script to cover all the facts in 60 minutes. Well, 45, so I can give them a few minutes to ask questions live during the chat too. If I can get through the threads faster than originally expected, I'll let you know. I'd love for you to check it out sometime! THE WINNER OF THE FREDDIE LED LAMP IS KAREN PETZ! I have contacted her to let her know and I really hope she enjoys it. Thank you all for donating to this great cause, and let's keep supporting the boys on this journey. The book is going to be sweet. Much love |
thundergod 28.01.2019 01:13 |
You go Karen...please post a pic of your lamp when you can. |
Rainbow61 28.01.2019 01:21 |
Hey Thor and Lee....happy to hear you have reached your funding goal. Let's hope you keep on this positive trajectory. Congratulations Karen for your Freddie lamp win! |
Anniebee 28.01.2019 01:36 |
Thor you should definitely check out one of Villiers lives, its pretty cool! And I think the people would flip if you were a part of the NY Daughters live. I wish I could see more of them but they usually happen during my commute home from work, so I have to watch the recordings. |
Rainbow61 28.01.2019 01:43 |
Thor and Lee, I love the idea for the book cover…can’t wait to see the real thing when I get my book in the mail !!! Are you still envisioning this as a coffee-table sized book? |
thundergod 28.01.2019 02:45 |
Rami Malik wins the SAG award!!! BRAVO |
thundergod 28.01.2019 02:46 |
Sorry Rami Malek |
Rainbow61 28.01.2019 02:53 |
Rami Malek just won for best actor at the Screen Actors Guild awards!!! We fans have always known that the spirit of Freddie shines brightly...now everyone else is finding that out. On to the Oscars! |
Villiers2 28.01.2019 03:03 |
And even more intrest will build with him winning that as well. Thor, Anniebee just gave me a little idea. I messaged you about it. Might be a long shot but I figured I'd pitch it to you. Check it out when you get the chance please |
Rainbow61 28.01.2019 04:20 |
Katydyd5, Re: Mary…That seems to be one of those topics on QZ (and elsewhere) that people feel quite passionate about. I also like Mary. Ultimately, I also trust that Freddie made a decision from the heart and was aware of the ramifications of that decision. I do understand that I am looking at this from the outside and those who are closer to the situation may have a different perspective… So strong is the connection that people feel to Freddie, that the connection even extends to those special people in Freddie’s world. We care about the people that Freddie cared about and I find that extraordinary. |
stevendabudgie 28.01.2019 06:32 |
@Blenkolove @Anniebee The documentary "The Nomi Song" makes it look like Nomi spent his final days alone in hospital- which is not completely true. Man Parrish, one of the interviewees, visited him there link In this video he tells the story how he once had been accosted by Freddie Mercury. How small the world is link |
Blackvy 28.01.2019 15:28 |
Rainbow61 wrote: Re: Mary…That seems to be one of those topics on QZ (and elsewhere) that people feel quite passionate about. I also like Mary. Ultimately, I also trust that Freddie made a decision from the heart and was aware of the ramifications of that decision. I do understand that I am looking at this from the outside and those who are closer to the situation may have a different perspective…I agree with you. |
Anniebee 28.01.2019 15:49 |
@stevendabudgie, thanks for the videos, that story about Man meeting Freddie was hilarious! I wonder how many other people have similar stories when meeting Freddie. I read in an article that Nomi didn't have anyone there the last week or so of his life. Watching the video it was probably by choice because they didn't know at that time how the virus was spreading and he didn't want anyone else to get sick. Seems like he was a very sweet person. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 28.01.2019 17:47 |
Hey Thor- what's your instagram if you don't mind sharing? You can message me too! If not, no worries! Thanks for answering my question about the music at the clubs! I love dancing at the clubs in West Hollywood- the music is often far better than at the "straight" clubs. |
thundergod 28.01.2019 19:18 |
Hi Sweet, I re-established my Instagram account but there is nothing in it and I don't go to it. Villiers said that the only way to listen to her live broadcast is through Instagram, so it is ready, basically just for that. I'm glad you love to dance and hear great music. I haven't been to West Hollywood in years, but if you look closely, you may come across my name on the West Hollywood Walk Of Shame...LOL |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 28.01.2019 19:30 |
LOL I have many friends whose names would be there too! Next time you're in LA I'd love to buy you a drink/coffee :) |
Annie65 28.01.2019 22:47 |
So, I just wanted to share this ...last Saturday was my son’s high school formal and when the DJ played Bohemian Rhapsody, the kids all freaked out and sang at the top of their lungs. They were texting me all this and I loved it! How great they they were rocking out to one of the same songs I was rocking out to when I was 17...way back in 1982. |
Anniebee 28.01.2019 23:01 |
I love how the younger generation is embracing Queen and Freddie's music! My Mom used to watch my girls quite a bit when they were younger and she had one of Queen's Greatest Hits CDs and would play it for them wherever they went. Their favorites are Don't Stop Me Now and We Are the Champions. If anyone who doesn't have a lot of their albums has access to Amazon Music, most of the albums are up there to be streamed. I've been trying to get them to listen to more than the greatest hits! |
Annie65 28.01.2019 23:03 |
Way to go Rami! |
Annie65 28.01.2019 23:11 |
Agreed Anniebee! Just watching this generation enjoy this music is great as I don’t believe they have anything that unites them as much as music united us back then...all in a positive way of course. And I’ve discovered songs I didn’t know recently and am just thrilled about it! |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 00:05 |
Thor, One of the videos @stevendabudgie shared earlier has a story about the guy pretty much rejecting Freddie because he didn't quite know who he was and on the surface wasn't interested. Did this happen often? It seems like Freddie was not shy about talking to guys he was interested in. On the flip side, did he ever get any stalkers or did you notice any people that would hang around a lot but weren't part of your group? :) |
Katydyd5 29.01.2019 00:28 |
Thanks for sharing the videos Stevendabudgie. I loved the story about meeting and rejecting Freddie in a bar. I found Man's story about Nomi very poignant. How isolating HIV/AIDS was at that time. I'm glad Nomi had friends who visited him. I'd like to think it is better now, but I suspect there is still a lot of ignorance among people who don't educate themselves. |
Catus 29.01.2019 01:58 |
Hey guys, I've just caught up with all the news, and I am so happy that the GoFund campaign has reached its goal! And also, happy to hear that there is a possibility of finding a good publisher for your book. I will keep my fingers (and toes) crossed for you guys. And hurray for Rami's victory! Hugs to you all! (from the midst of a snowstorm :)) |
thundergod 29.01.2019 02:07 |
Welcome Back Catus, We've been missing you! |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 02:14 |
Hey Catus, welcome back! Stay safe out there in the snow, it’s not even snowing here and I’m freezing, you must be frozen by now, brrr. :) |
thundergod 29.01.2019 02:18 |
Hey Anniebee, In my experience, Freddie only went for muscular or burly men. It is hard for me to believe that Nomi would even have been in a position to reject Freddie. Although someone like Peter Straker was kind of fem, none of Freddie's dates ever were. Of course, I don't know what happened in Munich but his taste probably went out the window when he invited Barbara Valentin into his life. |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 02:21 |
Thor, it wasn’t Nomi it was a guy named Man Parrish. I’ve never heard of him but apparently he was big into the new wave scene in NY in the 80s. He talked about meeting him at either the Eagle or the Spike. |
thundergod 29.01.2019 02:25 |
Oops, my bad! Sorry, Anniebee I think I am running a computer fever since I've been on it all week. |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 02:27 |
Haha Thor, no problem. Did you guys go to the Eagle or the Spike with Freddie ? |
thundergod 29.01.2019 02:28 |
By the way, I have a vinyl record from Mann Parrish (Man is spelled Mann according to the album cover) and it was one of my favorites in the eighties! |
thundergod 29.01.2019 02:35 |
The Eagle and the Spike were always starting bars, because Joe S. and John M. lived near that area. Freddie did come with us a few times. He preferred Uncle Charlie's Downtown in the West Village and Ty's (which I revisited the last time I was in New York and it was exactly the same as it was 40 years ago...LOL |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 02:37 |
That was going to be my next question, are some of these bars still around? I’m sure there’s a lot of history there. |
thundergod 29.01.2019 02:49 |
No more Spike or Eagle...no more Uncle Charlie's. The only remnant from the past is Ty's and the piano bar I worked in starting in 1973, Marie's Crisis- that also is completely unchanged. When I was there last December I had fun pointing out to the very Broadway type crowd, the exact table and the exact seat that Steven Sondheim sat in 40 years ago.It was the same table and the same chair, in the same location...LOL |
Katydyd5 29.01.2019 03:01 |
Welcome back Cactus! We are about to dip into the coldest air we've had in 14 years. I'm ready for this to be over. Then again I'm planning to reread some of my Freddie books, so it will be nice to hunker down in a warm house and indulge. |
thundergod 29.01.2019 03:10 |
HaHa, Katydyd... A cactus has thorns Catus does not...I don't think? Just joking with you. |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 03:20 |
Haha Thor, too funny! In Katydyd’s defense I always read it as Cactus too lol |
Catus 29.01.2019 03:29 |
Haha Thor ) yes, it happens sometimes, when people read it as "cactus" It actually comes from my childhood nickname "Kot" (a cat in Russian)... Also, I used to study Latin long long ago... And I love cats very much! Thanks guys, great to see you too! We're staying home, enjoying a beautiful winter view. A Winter's Tale! ) |
ForFreddie 29.01.2019 03:48 |
You, who knew Freddie, who actually were part of his life, are so lucky. I wish I could have met him, but, that would have been more than impossible, it would have been an honor, though. |
FreddieDarling 29.01.2019 08:44 |
HeyThor and Lee! I cannot tell you how chuffed I am that you have got a publisher hooked who REALY seems interested in your book! That's lovely. And here in good old England, too! Finally some people with taste and appreciation for a good idea have become involved! BTW on BBC Radio 4 last week was broadcast a programme called Great Lives,xwhich examines the lives of great people chosen by a special guest. Matt Lucas chose our Freddie! He was interviewed along with Lesley-Ann Jones!!! She's still perpetuating the myth that Jer was 18 when she had Freddie! (she was 24) but that aside it was quite nice, and they even broadcast a few words from Jer. If anybody would like a copy of this PM me and I'll happily send a MP3 attachment to your e-mail address. Thor would you like a copy? Have a good week, folks. |
Katydyd5 29.01.2019 13:36 |
Oh Catus, I'm so sorry!! I've always read your name as Cactus. Once I had that in my head it stuck. Thanks Thor for the gentle nudge!! |
Annie65 29.01.2019 14:17 |
katydid...we have some arctic temps here in northeastern U.S. as well and aside from doing some shoveling, I too plan on rereading some Freddie books today! I may even watch The Great Pretender documentary. What are anyone’s thoughts regarding that one? |
Katydyd5 29.01.2019 15:17 |
Anniebee, I have The Great Pretender and absolutely love it. You'll cry through the end, but it's such a celebration of Freddie that it is worth every minute. For a while I was watching that once a week. My son and his family are living with me temporarily while they build a house so I've had to curtail some of my Freddie watching habits. I'm open and honest about anything my young granddaughter asks me about him, but I'm not going to even try to explain the footage of his big birthday party so I haven't had the chance to watch in over a year. (Yes, bless their hearts, they have been here that long) It's going to be bittersweet when they go, but I'm planning to binge watch Freddie and that is sure to cheer me up. |
ForFreddie 29.01.2019 16:07 |
Katy....my granddaughter is 10, she saw BR with me and her mom. Apparently, she knew Freddie's story....well, as much as her mom told her... because she knew he died. Driving home, she asked her mom what Freddie died from, her mom just said, he had a blood infection, so apparently, granddaughter wasn't told about the AIDS, I'm not sure a 10 year old should be told the whole, gay/sex story....no, I know they shouldn't be. I wasn't even sure a 10 year old should see the movie, but, it was up to her mom to decide that. |
spiralstatic 29.01.2019 16:08 |
Hello Thor & thank you so much for generously sharing so many stories and memories with us. I have begun reading your first post from the beginning and it is already a story to read your first few posts, seeming amused at the idea of writing a book to now announcing here there is someone interested in publishing! I was going to wait to ask a question until I had caught up as I didn't want to repeat anything that had been asked before, but I think the 200 pages will take some time, so I just wanted to ask a very simple question for now which is, if a specific one comes to mind: what is your happiest memory of Freddie (either something about him generally, or a particularly happy experience you shared.) Thank you once again and all the best in life and with your book! :) |
Annie65 29.01.2019 16:27 |
Katydyd5....yes I’ve had a good cry at the end of every book and documentary about Freddie and even though I know they all end the same sad way, I just can’t help myself! I am sure I’ll cry after reading Thor and Lee’s book as well! How amazing that Freddie’s is still connecting with so many people and on such an emotional level. How great to have family around, how old is your grand daughter ( if you don’t mind me asking that is) |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 16:30 |
I think being honest with kids around the age of 10 is important. They need to start learning that there are some real dangers out there and the more we as parents can teach them the better. My daughters are 13 and 11 and they know all about Freddie’s relationships and why he died. They know what being gay means and they have learned that it doesn’t matter if someone is gay. They don’t judge, to them it’s just the same as being straight, it just is. They see the person for who they are. I think not being real about it eventually makes them think there’s something wrong with it. JMHO |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 16:32 |
@katydyd there’s two Annie’s now, lol, I think you meant your reply for Annie65 |
ForFreddie 29.01.2019 16:51 |
Anniebee..... I leave that part up to her parents, for the most part, they are honest and up front, if she askes questions, she'll get honest answers....but, I think my daughter in law thinks her daughter isn't ready for the reality of AIDS and the whole gay/sex discussion. |
Katydyd5 29.01.2019 17:19 |
Annie65, my granddaughter is 5, so too young for details. One of her mom's closest friends is a gay man that she lived with through college and a year or so past in a Will and Grace situation. My granddaughter knows him and his husband, but since they live about two hours away, doesn't see them that often. She's never questioned though I know my DIL would give an honest answer if asked. That's my philosophy too. Be honest, but keep the age of the child in mind when answering. To both Annies, I sure did answer the wrong one. You'd think I learned my lesson with Catus. My middle name is Anne, so it's a good thing I didn't incorporate that into my QZ name!! Three might confuse more than just me. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:26 |
Hi All. As usual I have some catching up up to do. I DO try to check in every day but don’t always have the time to chime in. Thank you, thank you, thank you to all for the salutations, well wishes, and warm words of encouragement. It’s more special than you can imagine. Out of the gate: Not Quite A Shilling... HOW could I have missed that Freddie and Jim video. Yikes, that is charming! Did everyone get a kick out of seeing the way Freddie smiled at Jim in those shots? I think he kinda liked him. LOL I feel blessed that I got to see that smile many more times than he showed it in his public persona. Check it out gain and look for that. That quick clip of Thor on the grounds of the garden lodge can be seen in a little longer video, where you see the formal dining room set we lugged out of the main house. It shows all the guests at the soirée. There’s a moment where Freddie cracks up at something I said. Wish I could remember which one of my brilliant remarks it was (ha!). I’ll have to check it out again. I haven’t seen it in a while. |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.01.2019 18:29 |
"Although someone like Peter Straker was kind of fem, none of Freddie's dates ever were. Of course, I don't know what happened in Munich but his taste probably went out the window when he invited Barbara Valentin into his life." Thor Freddie and Barbara were never lovers and she had no influence on the men he found attractive. Throughout his Munich years he was still going for the large burly men. I dont think his tastes changed at all in Munich if he was always going for big guys before that time period. You probably know this already but attached is a pic of the guy he was mainly dating in Munich, winnie. I say mainly because we all know he was also seeing Jim toward the end of that relationship too. Hope your new year is treating you well |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:32 |
Katydyd, It ALSO took me a while to be able to handle “Those Were The Days of Our Lives. His face in those shots stick with me. We saw him at that stage, but I hasten to add that albeit a bit tired, he was as bright, witty, charming, funny, clever, and cute as ever. P.S. Thank you for your extra enthusiasm, which matches that of SO many here. God bless you all for that. Sending special hugs for that aspect of the blog. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:37 |
I am jumping around but that’s what I do when I catch up. Losing friends to AIDS sucks beyond description. So many, so young, were taken so soon. The thought of those I lost of course can stop me in my tracks, but I try to move to a mode of appreciation for having had them in my life, and to the joy each and every one of them brought in their own way. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:44 |
Jo T, St Francis of sales, huh? I’m in. I am Irish Catholic, but both my maternal grandparents were born in Italy. I’m gonna give him a little chat (wink). About the Catholic Church thing. I may not practice my faith by attending church every Sunday, an institution I find exasperating at times, but I have “practiced” enough in my 67 years to have the drill down. I recently got my results from Ancestry.Com, which said I have no Italian in me. Kinda not possible, seeing as Nana and Grandpa came from Milan and Venice. Hhhhmmmmm. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:44 |
Jo T, St Francis of sales, huh? I’m in. I am Irish Catholic, but both my maternal grandparents were born in Italy. I’m gonna give him a little chat (wink). About the Catholic Church thing. I may not practice my faith by attending church every Sunday, an institution I find exasperating at times, but I have “practiced” enough in my 67 years to have the drill down. I recently got my results from Ancestry.Com, which said I have no Italian in me. Kinda not possible, seeing as Nana and Grandpa came from Milan and Venice. Hhhhmmmmm. |
thundergod 29.01.2019 18:48 |
Hi spiralstatic and welcome, The last time I re-read some of the first thread, I saw some glaring inconsistencies. It took a little while to remember every detail about 1980 to 1991, but once the thread got going, more and more memories moved to my brain's frontal lobe and out of my medulla oblongata...lol. One example was my early recollection of when I first met Freddie. I stated that it was in the early winter of 1980 but when given more thought, it was actually in August 1980. So, please forgive any inconsistencies while my brain was trying to warm up. A favorite, happy memory would have to be joining Freddie for the concert leg of the Western U.S.that we were invited to in 1982. Of course, the concerts were spectacular and exciting, but it was the off days between concerts that were the greatest. Freddie was able to leave the stage and pressure behind and just have good, somewhat clean (lol), FUN! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:54 |
Welcome, For Freddie. Mary... I’m not sure she was disinterested as much as she was curious? Jealous? Uncomfortable? She WAS always quiet and very pleasant, and it was clear Freddie loved having her around. As I mentioned before, I concur that the Mary, Phoebe, Joe thing could have been handled more delicately. We got the details from Peter, who was not one to exaggerate or be overly dramatic about something. Quite honestly, I can’t remember a single time he was out of control, or once again dramatic, were something serious to take place. He will always be a gem in my eyes. Katydyd, I liked your comments about Mary. Very intuitive and kind of right on. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:58 |
This is random, but maybe someone remembers this more distinctly. Jim was with Freddie in London when he was building the house Freddie gave him. I remember Freddie telling a story of due to the fact Freddie was so sick, and unable to travel, they helicoptered over so Freddie could see the progress of the house, or maybe the completed version? We have a “Skype Date” coming up with Peter. I’m gonna ask him. Heard from him this morning. He’s on his way to Prague for a press conference or something. A VERY busy guy these days. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 18:58 |
This is random, but maybe someone remembers this more distinctly. Jim was with Freddie in London when he was building the house Freddie gave him. I remember Freddie telling a story of due to the fact Freddie was so sick, and unable to travel, they helicoptered over so Freddie could see the progress of the house, or maybe the completed version? We have a “Skype Date” coming up with Peter. I’m gonna ask him. Heard from him this morning. He’s on his way to Prague for a press conference or something. A VERY busy guy these days. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 19:04 |
Villiers 2 Your support is always appreciated, and may I say, “what a gal”. A talk about the daughters? You go girl. Annie Bee I’m seeing a book with a jacket, having my photo that Thor talks bout on the cover. Not sure we need Queen’s permission to use that photo, as my reading has taught me that a photo like that could be viewed as a marketing item. That’s one of the reasons a publishing company will be of great help to us. |
thundergod 29.01.2019 19:05 |
Hi Dustin, Good to see you again. Thanks for the info about Freddie in Munich, but did you notice that katydyd corrected me and it turned out she was talking about Mann Parrish, and I have no idea of what he looked like, instead of Nomi who seemed very androgynous. Anyway, no major arguments flying around these days and we love that. I think you will like it too. Feel free to rejoin us. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 19:08 |
I love that Thor mentioned the place Ty’s on Christopher Street. We certainly frequented that place. It was REALLY a favorite of mine. Funny story, I was on a sailboat in the Tahitian Islands ( there’s that travel habit ) and I turned to the guy next to me and said, “What do you do?” He says “I own Ty’s in New York”. WTF. I almost fell off the side of the boat. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 29.01.2019 19:10 |
KathLEEN! So good to see you and what a freaky coincidence. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 19:11 |
That’s about it for now. I know I must have missed a shout out to a couple of newbies on the site, but I hope we continue to here from you wonderful people. To Queen09, and to all, keep those questions coming. Don’t worry about asking a question that has been asked. Between the two blogs, we’re over 200 pages. Thanks for thinking that I can remember what questions I answered. HA! LOL |
thundergod 29.01.2019 19:12 |
YEA...Kathleen is back and there's gonna be trouble...hey Kathleen, Kathleen is back! |
ForFreddie 29.01.2019 19:16 |
Lee...I've given it some thought and, could be, Mary did just feel uncomfortable/out of place amongst all of you.....who knows.... could be, I'm just plain wrong, all the way around... I was coming from a place of, feeling sorry for Freddie, if I was right about that situation....it's in the past. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 19:16 |
...tell everyone you know. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 29.01.2019 19:19 |
That last post of mine was to Thor. He knows I like to communicate with song lyrics. |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.01.2019 19:23 |
Hwy thor no I was just reading the page and responded to your comment when I saw it. Ps I found this pic of freddie and I'm wondering if it was the New York daughters he may have been with at the time. It's hard to see the face of the man behind freddie but maybe someone knows. Reminds me a quote from Jim Hutton. "Freddie was very conscious of his teeth and often covered his mouth with his hand when he laughed but I thought he had a lovely smile. Some of my best memories of him were of him throwing all caution to the wind and laughing with his head thrown back, not caring at all about his teeth". A buddy of mine recently unearthed a great 30 min video of him talking to Hutton in the 90s after a queen convention. I got a chance to watch a couple minutes and I have to say the man really did look to have genuinely been in love with freddie. Heartwarming. |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 19:41 |
Lee! Welcome back! Thanks for the mass answering of questions lol. Good to see you again :) |
thundergod 29.01.2019 19:41 |
Dustin, I think that is a bad picture of me against the back wall and I think he is laughing with Joe Scardilli. Thanks man |
spiralstatic 29.01.2019 20:23 |
Thank you for the welcome and your answers Thor! A mix of Queen concerts and free time fun sounds great to me. I have all sorts of happy imaginings!! I am sure there are many of us who like me have wished we had a time machine to be around in the days we could have seen Queen live. Interesting to hear too how you recalled more things once your brain was back in the world of those times. I always think the way we remember things (and the way every person will remember the same event slightly differently) is so interesting in any case - isn't it funny the things our brains forget and recollect and how we have so many more memories hidden away inside, waiting to be rediscovered. Sometimes I get overwhelmed thinking of how people cope as time goes on and they are just filled with more and more memories and all the feelings and yearnings associated with them. It makes me imagine an infinity inside every person and then I get scared. And hello Lee too and thank you for all the information from you I have been able to read already in just one page! :) I'm going to say this in here even though it isn't to do with Queen or Freddie, but I recently saw a play in London called The Inheritance - part of which is set in or at least depends on this kind of era of 1980's New York. It's a two part, 7+ hour odyssey and essentially uses E M Forster's Howard's End and Maurice to delve into a sort of history of AIDS and its legacy on a current generation in SUCH a beautiful way. It is epic and simply exquisite (and for Freddie-lovers, there is even a cherry tree.) I love theatre so much and it is one of the best plays I have ever seen. When I watched I was sat beside a gay man who was from New York and I'd guess is in his mid 60's, so he remembers the time. We chatted a little in the intervals and it is such an important and moving, involving and wonderful play that at the end of the play we introduced ourselves properly and then hugged - two strangers just hugging after watching a play - that's the power it has. Anyway, I write about it, because if it transfers to the US, I really recommend seeing it if you're at all interested, and I'd love to know what you thought if you ever do watch! Did anyone else on here happen to catch the play in London? Sadly its run has ended now, but it really is so beautiful. You can of course read the play text if anyone is interested in that. Here is an interview with the author of the play if anyone is curious in knowing any more - link and it does suggest there that it will play in New York too! I realise this is a wild digression, but anyway, there we are! My apologies for this random theatre-sharing! |
thundergod 29.01.2019 20:46 |
Hey Spiralstatic, I completely enjoyed your description of this play. I go back to New York in March and July. I will be sure to look for it. Thanks for the recommendation! |
Rainbow61 29.01.2019 20:53 |
Spiralstatic, I enjoyed your “random theatre-sharing”. That is a beautiful story. Sometimes our lives intersect, even briefly, with others we will never see again, but who touch us none-the-less. I cherish those moments. |
queenfan09 29.01.2019 21:00 |
Thanks for the welcome Lee! Per Thor's suggestion I am catching up on the original thread in between reading all of the great questions that continue to be posted here by others :-) Keeping my fingers crossed in hopes that you both hear good news soon from the publisher! |
Rainbow61 29.01.2019 21:19 |
Howdy Lee, I am reposting a question from pages back. I think it got lost in the lovely QZ tidal wave of enthusiasm... (If you answered and I missed it...just redirect me! :) Most people generally did not develop slide photos years ago. The only time I did so was for end-of-the-year classroom ceremonies. What made you decide to do that? Is photography a passion of yours? When you went to visit Freddie that last time, did you have to bring a projector and screen with you as well? I can’t imagine he would have had those items in his home. I'm glad Freddie had the opportunity to laugh and reminisce with his friends in the perfect setting...what a simple, yet perfect gift! |
Rainbow61 29.01.2019 21:47 |
Lee, I've always wanted to do one of those DNA tests. I recently watched an episode of Jeopardy in which a contestant had done a DNA test (not Ancestry). Hers came back that she had a greater than average amount of Neanderthal DNA. Gee...I didn't realize they tested for that! |
spiralstatic 29.01.2019 21:52 |
Well now I'm glad I shared my little theatre story. I hope you find it as powerful as I did if you ever manage to see the play Thor, Rainbow61 and anyone else. And yes Rainbow61 - there can be something so special about the tiniest unexpected moments and connections we make with strangers. Here's hoping we may all remember in darker days that no matter what today holds, these times can always come unexpectedly some future day. :) |
Anniebee 29.01.2019 21:52 |
Spiralstatic, feel free to share more theater reviews (digressions lol) Some of us here have to live vicariously through you since we live in places with terrible theater choices lol. That play sounds wonderful, I’d love to see it if ever given a chance. :) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 29.01.2019 22:19 |
I do have another question for the lovely gentlemen: how often were Joe Fanelli and Phoebe Freestone with you all when you went out? I've seen you write glowingly about Phoebe (he seems wonderful) but I don't recall anything about Joe. I may have missed it, but I did make a good effort getting through the other threads! |
thundergod 29.01.2019 23:01 |
Hey Sweet, We only spent time with Joe Fanelli in London. He did not come over to New York when Freddie moved in but stayed back in London. Naturally, we spent hours and hours of time with Phoebe but only a few with Joe. He did take us out once or twice to the clubs in Earl's Court - in walking distance from the Garden Lodge. My impression of him was that he was a dedicated and loving employee of Freddie's and a very ingratiating member of the "family". |
space cow 29.01.2019 23:21 |
Hi, I've just read in the latest book I've read about Freddie, Somebody to love, that he used to paint during the last few years of the 80s so I was wondering is it true (as the book has some facts wrong like stating Freddie was in romantic relationship with Barbara)? Have you guys ever saw Freddie paint/draw (maybe just for fun, doodle sth) or any of his art work? Did he have artworks by famous artists in his NY apartment? Sorry if this has been asked before - it's hard to remember everything that has been said on this and other thread. And of course, thank you for sharing precious pieces of Freddie's life with us - hope the book gets to be published! |
thundergod 29.01.2019 23:46 |
Welcome, space cow, I never witnessed Freddie actually painting artwork, but I know he did having been in Art School. I don't remember any fine paintings in his New York apartment but he did in the Garden Lodge. Lee might remember much better than I as he has a better eye for artwork than I do. The painting (or more exactly, the first printing) I distinctly remember was the one featuring his beloved cat Delilah which Disney had presented him with. Other paintings in the house looked impressive, but I could not tell you the artist or the name of the painting, unfortunately. I think in the previous thread, a QZ fan presented a link to a wonderful painting that was supposed to be at the Garden Lodge but I did not remember seeing it there. |
thundergod 29.01.2019 23:48 |
Rainbow, I think Lee is done for today but I am sure he would like to answer your question. |
Mr.Michael 29.01.2019 23:52 |
Thor, I'd like to get back to that Channel 5 docudrama Who Wants To Live Forever and your thoughts about it. You already said that there were details that weren't accurate, but it did also get some things right? You mentioned that Freddie liked to wear often the same clothes? So, it's not totally impossible that he used his live aid jeans for a couple of years after the gig? And what about the great acting by Mr.Blunt in that documentary? Did you think he was as good as many say he was? |
Rainbow61 30.01.2019 00:02 |
Thor, Thanks...no hurry. We know how much Freddie loved flowers...he had that lovely garden that Jim took care of. I've also read that Freddie would carefully arrange flowers in Garden Lodge when guests came over. Do you remember seeing fresh flowers in his NYC apartment or do you recall being somewhere with Freddie, maybe passing a park, where he commented on the flowers? |
thundergod 30.01.2019 00:28 |
Mr. Michael, Your answer is on pg. 91. |
thundergod 30.01.2019 00:33 |
Absolutely Rainbow, Freddie always had beautiful flowers in New York and in London. I never asked him, but I would bet that Phoebe went out to get the flowers and arranged them perfectly! He knew Freddie's taste better than anyone. |
Mr.Michael 30.01.2019 00:47 |
Thor you only talk about John Murphy and his scene in the docu. His part was very small and I'm talking about the whole thing. At least it didn't try to paint Freddie as some closeted heterosexual who just wanted to be with Mary and all the gays destroyed him. That's what the movie Bohemian Rhapsody did. Did you still dance in the 80's to Voyage-Souvenirs, or was that more in the late 70's? |
ForFreddie 30.01.2019 00:48 |
What became of Freddie's cats when he died? He loved those cats, I'd hate to think they went to a shelter. |
thundergod 30.01.2019 00:56 |
Mr. Michael, John Murphy being involved in anything AIDS related with Freddie is fiction by people who say that John Murphy was patient zero Trust me, I would have known if John suddenly left his domestic flights on American Airlines and took a trip to Africa where either he was bitten by a monkey or ate monkey meat. At that time Joe and John were senior enough to get the nonstop flights from New York to the West coast and back they did not want international flights. |
thundergod 30.01.2019 00:59 |
ForFreddie, I don't know what became of the cats but I'm sure Freddie made a plan for them so they would continue to be well cared for. |
Villiers2 30.01.2019 01:22 |
Regarding the cats...From Peter's second book: " When it came to packing, Mary told Jim and Joe that they could take whatever gifts they had bought Freddie for she considered these NOT a part of the great collection that she had inherited. Her idea of Freddie’s collection was specifically items that Freddie had selected and bought for himself, the house and for the purchases such as the famous diamond feather which she herself had benefited from, items he had been buying at auction from catalogues with the express intention that she be the one to have them. But back to the cold, hard reality. Eventually, it must have alarmed Mary greatly to understand that a large number of items which she had imagined had fallen into the category of ‘Freddie’s Collection’ had in fact been personal gifts which we as house-sharers had given each other over the years. As she witnessed cherished domestic items as well as objets d’art being packed up and disappearing from the places she had become accustomed to seeing them, Mary changed her ruling and told Jim and Joe that they were entitled to take with them only one item which they had given Freddie. It can only be imagined what this instruction did to the atmosphere. It was the beginning of a shabby end" So to summarize, the vast majority of things within the house (including the cats) stayed with Mary. She had originally told Jim and Joe that they could take whatever they had purchased freddie as gifts over the years from the house, and changed her mind once she realized how many items in the house had been gifts to freddie from the boys of Garden Lodge. One being Lily the cat. Jim bought her for Freddie as a gift. In his book, Jim mentions asking Mary if he could have little Lily and the answer was no. So all stayed but Oscar, who preferred a neighbor. |
Mr.Michael 30.01.2019 01:32 |
Just forget about the John Murphy scene (altough the acting is great).The docu is not about that one scene. And who's even talking about patient zero or eating some monkey burgers in Africa? They don't come up in there. In Bohemian Rhapsody Freddie pinches Jim Hutton's arse while he's working as a waiter and finds him after searching phone books. I mean it's pretty near fiction as well. The Murphy scene has nothing to do how well Freddie is portrayed in the docu. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.01.2019 01:36 |
Pretty sure Thor has said in the past that the acting for Freddie in that John Blunt thing was bad. He has been asked about it a number of times. Can't say I blame him. A Freddie cover band singer isn't necessarily going to be a fantastic actor. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 30.01.2019 02:02 |
I’m pretty sure she gave away a couple of the cats too. Not sure why Jim couldn’t have them instead. |
Anniebee 30.01.2019 02:09 |
Sweet I agree, he should have been able to take at least one if not more of the cats. That just seems petty, why would you keep them away from someone who was there with them most of the time? And who bought some of them and brought them home. Grrr. |
Anniebee 30.01.2019 02:13 |
Rainbow I think in Jim’s book he says that Freddie loved Freesias. Maybe it was Phoebe’s book, I don’t remember which one. Bath and Body Works had big sales during Christmas and Freesia was one of the discontinued scents they were selling so I bought some. It smells good, I can see why Freddie loved the scent. |
Blenkolove 30.01.2019 02:15 |
Stevendabudgie, After watching The Nomi Story on YouTube, I followed a link to Man Parrish Stories. I watched many of them and found his stories colorful, fascinating and culturally relevant. It's a shame Man was bamboozled out of money by shady music industry sharks!! Kinda harks back to Queen's early years with Trident/Sheffield Bros.!!!! Thank Goodness Queen signed on with John Reid Enterprises!!! Of Course, I adored Man's story of Freddie 'hitting' on him in a club one night.....and felt his 'pain' when he said he crumpled up the note with Freddie's number on it and tossed it in the street!!!.....Oh No!!!! Man's story of his brief interlude with Boy George takes a tragic turn, but his story of seeing a young, budding Bette Midler performing in a N Y City Bathhouse, accompanied by Barry Manilow on piano is my Fave!!! About a dozen years ago, in Tampa, my daughter and I saw Bette Midler in concert and it was one of the BEST shows we have ever seen!!!! She gives her audience 110%!! Music, comedy, dance....FANTASTIC PERFORMER!!! AMAZING SHOW!!!.....btw....worst show I ever saw....(it was Super pricey at the time and I had such High Expectations!!!!!)....Sting! He was sooo boring!! However, his opening act was a young blues guitarist named Jonny Lang!! He Kicked A#s and I have followed him ever since!! So, Stevendabudgie, Thank you for introducing me not only to Nomi....but Man Parrish as well!!! Stay Warm!! .........if it's Freezing in Florida.....You KNOW it's Cold!!!!! |
thundergod 30.01.2019 02:43 |
Blenkolove, In 1974, the unknown Bette Midler lived on the third story of the bar I worked at Marie's Crisis. She let her bathtub overflow one evening and it started raining in the bar. She came down and apologized profusely. A few years later when I was working as a waiter at Uncle Charlie's Restaurant (36th St. and 3rd Ave) Barry Manilow was seated at one of my tables for dinner. he had no complaints that I knew of, but he tipped me about 8% when the average was and still is, 15% . This was after "Mandy" was a hit and he surely had money...lol |
Villiers2 30.01.2019 02:45 |
Hey Thor, got your message. Exciting! Please do send that to my email, as queenzone cut your message off midway. I sent you my email a moment ago. |
NotQuiteAShilling 30.01.2019 03:21 |
This forum is ON FIRE and I'm loving it! So many great posts!! Lee I am overjoyed that you also liked that video of Freddie and Jim. The person who posted it on YouTube is MyFairyQueen Mercury and they only have 2 videos (both are of Freddie and Jim) and that one I shared was just created a couple of weeks ago. Yes that LOOK he gives Jim - I think I actually "swooned" lol |
NotQuiteAShilling 30.01.2019 03:30 |
Stevenbudgie that clip of Mann's story was fantastic!! He's still very good looking, so I can only imagine how hot he was back then. Freddie making a beeline for him LOL. His buddies racing out of the bar to try to find Freddie's number under the parked cars. HA HA What a great story teller he is! Thank you so much for sharing this - funniest thing I've seen in a long time! Villiers2 - I caught the end of your live on Paul Prenter, then watched it over from the beginning...WHOA you are AMAZING!! I learned so much. If anyone hasn't checked these out I highly recommend them. Also Villiers I love that your contest gives people 5 extra entries if they donate to the Mercury Phoenix Trust - YES! |
thundergod 30.01.2019 03:36 |
Oops, another correction. The guy's name was Man Parish and not Mann as I had misremembered it. |
Anniebee 30.01.2019 03:43 |
Lol Thor I thought you were looking at the album when you said it yesterday, was thinking maybe you got a bootleg or something lol. It’s all good :) |
thundergod 30.01.2019 03:46 |
My vinyl albums are packed away. I don't have a turntable anymore. I should get one I think. |
Villiers2 30.01.2019 03:50 |
Aw shucks, NQAS that's really nice of you to say. I'm glad you enjoyed the live! Anniebee too, thank you. This giveaway is for the MPT and the second time we've done one for them but the next 2 giveaways we do will be for the ASPCA and St Jude's Children's Resesech Hospital. All good organizations, so I'm sure Freddie wouldn't mind lol. Hope you can catch another live soon! |
Anniebee 30.01.2019 03:52 |
You should! Nothing beats listening to old vinyl! :) |
Anniebee 30.01.2019 03:58 |
Villiers, you’re welcome! You have a great way of drawing people in and getting information across well. Like I said I wish I could participate more but they’re usually on when I’m driving home. Keep at it and those giveaways are awesome and support a good cause too. Love it :) |
Kpetz 30.01.2019 05:02 |
Hey everyone! I’m the one that won the lamp. Very excited but certainly didn’t expect anything. I was glad to donate to such a great cause. Good luck Thor and Lee! As for Mary and the cats....she really didn’t do right by Jim. He asked for one cat, she said no then gave it away. Personally, I think that speaks volumes. It makes me sad, but it is what it is. I consider Peter Freestone a good friend and it always warms my heart to hear people that knew him with Freddie praise him. The minute I met Peter I understood why he was with Freddie. Such peace and calm surrounds him...... So much information to absorb from the past many, many pages! I’ll try to keep up now. |
Villiers2 30.01.2019 05:06 |
Thor, I read that email front, back and side to side. Please keep an eye out in your spam folder for my reply. Just got it out. Hey Karen!! Welcome gurl |
Rainbow61 30.01.2019 05:14 |
Thor, Do you have any Queen albums in your collection? I have a couple…my first was Queen: Live Killers. I used to listen to it ALL the time. It was the album that made me fall in love with Queen music. I’m guessing my copy must be about 39/40 years old. On the front of the album I wrote “The Best !!!!” and on the back of the album I wrote “The Greatest !!!”. It makes me smile when I see what my teenage self wrote all those years ago. Oh yes....I still have my Barry Manilow-Greatest Hits album from the 70's. Indirectly, I might have contributed a teeny bit to your tip! |
thundergod 30.01.2019 05:26 |
Rainbow, I think I have The Works, Flash Gordon, and Barcelona on vinyl...many more on cassettes and then a few CDs. These days it is so much easier to bring up videos on Google and you get to see the video too. I watch them on my big screen TV. |
Rainbow61 30.01.2019 05:38 |
Hi Kpetz, Welcome to QZ! I bet you can't wait to get your lamp. Do you know where you are going to put it? You mentioned meeting Peter. What was the occasion? Did you go to the Freddie birthday party in Montreux or one of the Breakthru conventions in the US? Peter consistently comes across as a warm and friendly guy in any interview I have ever seen him in. His work with teenagers in the Czech Republic to raise awareness of HIV/AIDS is quite admirable. I would love to meet him someday. |
Freddienotfreddy 30.01.2019 08:54 |
Annie65 wrote: I remember this being discussed earlier either on this thread or Thor’s previous one so sorry if I’m being repetitive but I can’t remember everyone’s thoughts on it. I think I remember reading that Freddie really didn’t work out and I have to wonder if he maybe did a little during the time before Live Aid. His upper body looks more developed to me during that performance but I can’t really tell. I also don’t know if I really see it in any other photos or performances from around the same time. Does anyone else? Maybe just the camera? I love watching the Live Aid clip....for the brilliance of the whole band ....especially Freddie and because he really looks so happy and healthy in it!Annie65 I totally notice that too when watching old concert footage. It seems around the The Works album and tour, Freddie looks more muscular than previously. Not weight gain, but ,muscle gain. I have said before that I think The Works era Freddie is Freddie at his peak sexiness. |
Freddienotfreddy 30.01.2019 11:20 |
Katydyd5, Mother Love kills me! When Brain comes on to sing the last verse and you know why he has to sing the last verse..OMG! It gets me every time! I know this thread is mostly about Freddie, but here are two more emotional moments from Roger Taylor and Brian May regarding Freddie.. link link |
Freddienotfreddy 30.01.2019 11:38 |
Going back to the Scrabble discussion, this is cute off the cuff interview with Roger Taylor where he is discussing rehearsing for the Magic Tour and that he was tired from having stayed up until 6am playing Scrabble with Freddie. link |
Katydyd5 30.01.2019 14:42 |
Welcome Karen, and congratulations on the lamp!! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 30.01.2019 18:41 |
Thor that Barry Manilow story is hilarious. What a cheapskate! I'm guessing Freddie was a good tipper? lol |
Mariag 30.01.2019 23:57 |
It says on the Rudolf Nureyev book that after Freddie's performance with the royal ballet Rudolf went backstage and Freddie introduced him to you ( NY Daughters) is this true Thorn? I heard they never even meet, and that they were "partners". Do you know what the truth about this is? |
thundergod 31.01.2019 00:22 |
Welcome Mariag, That meet-up with Neureyev never happened with me or any of my 3 close friends in New York. Who makes up this stuff? Oh Jeez! |
thundergod 31.01.2019 00:27 |
Also, since none of us were there, it is possible that he met him on another occassion prior to 1981 or at some point in London. Phoebe would know if this is true. Thor (no "n" at the end) but new guests can call me anything! I'm glad you're here. |
thundergod 31.01.2019 00:29 |
Speaking of misspellings, Please change Neureyev to Nureyev...lol |
Anniebee 31.01.2019 01:46 |
Thor, I don’t remember if I asked this before but what was your favorite place you traveled to with Freddie? Lee, how about you? |
Jo T. 31.01.2019 01:54 |
Thor, are you as bad as me, the Queen of Corrections (spelling, grammar, facts, punctuation, etc.)? LOL Maybe it's the other way around. |
Jo T. 31.01.2019 01:58 |
Disclaimer: Please refer to the American Heart Association (link for the most UTD and accurate information about cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). The following unpaid information is for entertainment purposes only. The views expressed in this thread do not necessarily reflect the views of QueenZone, the forum “Thoughts on Thor Arnold and Lee Nolan's eleven year friendship with Freddie,” Thor Arnold and/or Lee Nolan. I hope the forum’s members aren’t annoyed that my post is completely unrelated to the thread. However, CPR saves lives. If it has the potential to help save a life from cardiac arrest, why not post? Here’s how Queen bassist, John Deacon, may help! Queen fans may not be aware that Deaky’s refrain to “Another One Bites the Dust” could be the “p – u – u – r – r – fect” - as Freddie would say - song to perform chest compressions for adult CPR (Refer to the AHA for infant and child CPR.). It meets the American Heart Association’s (AHA) recommended rate of 100-120 min. for a cycle of 30 compressions and 2 breaths. Recently, I had to take CPR class @ my local hospital. My previous CPR card expired on Jan. 31st. One of the conditions of my employment is to maintain a current CPR card every 2 years. My friend, Dan, another Queen fan, confessed privately on Jan. 12th he uses Queen’s “Another One Bites the Dust” vs. the oft-recommended Bee Gees’ “Stayin’ Alive” in place of counting 30 chest compressions for adult CPR. He prefers it because Deaky’s “bass line starts the song. For ‘Staying’ Alive,’ I have to wait for the intro.” Dan plays guitar on the side. He works FT as an ICU nurse. The man has “street cred.” Thank you, Dan! It works for me, too. Later, I worked out the details @ home for both myself and to share. I rehearsed chest compressions on the ventral (white) side of my plush toy penguin, along to the official video for “Another One Bites the Dust” on YouTube (I love to watch Freddie prance and strut on stage, or else my Queen CD could’ve worked instead by itself.), counted the # of chest compressions per line, and added it up . . . Voila! Den, den, den, another one bites the dust ( = 8 chest compressions) Den, den, den, another one bites the dust ( = 8 chest compressions) And another one gone and another one gone ( = 4 chest compressions) Another one bites the dust ( = 4 chest compressions) Hey, I'm gonna get you, too ( = 4 chest compressions) Another one bites the dust ( = 4 chest compressions) Give 2 breaths (Use a pocket mask to prevent infection.). However, if you don’t have a pocket mask available and/or aren’t comfortable giving breaths, esp. to a stranger, you can perform Hands-Only CPR and merely repeat the above refrain “Den, den, den, . . . “ Continue CPR till EMS arrives or an AED (automated external defibrillator) becomes available. Use AED as soon as it is available. “Den, den, den” obviously refers to John Deacon’s bass line (no vocals). However, start chest compressions at the very 1st “den.” The refrain has the AHA recommended rate of 100-120/min. and lasts through a cycle of approx. 30 chest compressions and 2 breaths (Actually, the refrain adds to up to exactly 32 chest compressions, but it’s close enough to 30. An extra 2 compressions won’t harm the victim of cardiac arrest.). Aren’t these lyrics far easier to remember than those for “Stayin’ Alive?” All due respect to the awesome Bee Gees, but what exactly ARE the rest of the lyrics to “Stayin’ Alive,” besides the refrain “Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive?” ARE there other lyrics? LOL How do you keep track of the # of chest compressions when you repeat the same line over and over again? CPR instructors rarely – if ever – address it. However, “Stayin’ Alive” can be used for non-medical laypersons who perform Hands-Only CPR (without mouth-to-mouth breaths) till EMS and/or an AED arrives. Please mouth the lyrics quietly or in your head. The reason is obvious. “Another one bites the dust.” My greatest fear is that I may inadvertently vocalize the lyrics aloud in the presence of a cardiac arrest patient’s/victim’s significant others, when I perform chest compressions on him/her. I can imagine Phoebe’s reaction. “They were NOT amused!” LOL I hope peeps enjoyed my “teachable moment.” Again, please refer to the American Heart Association for high-quality CPR. God bless you, Deaky! |
thundergod 31.01.2019 02:01 |
Hey Anniebee, For me, I really enjoyed the three days in Montreal. The concert was being taped so everyone was at top performance quality (not that any Queen concerts were ever lacking). We were able to go out each night and were charmed by the French Canadians. This was Lee's first concert. Unfortunately Joe S. and John M. were not able to come, but the next year in Vancouver, B.C. they got their Canadian dancing shoes on with me and Lee! |
Rainbow61 31.01.2019 02:01 |
Thor, When you, Freddie, and the guys went out to clubs, either in NYC or some other city, who usually drove? Did Peter do the driving, drop you guys off, park, and then join you inside...or did Freddie hire a driver? Did Freddie usually sit in the front seat? Was there food/drink in the car? |
thundergod 31.01.2019 02:03 |
Jo T., I abhor misspellings and incorrect grammar...lol We were typing at the same time...I will read your next message now. |
thundergod 31.01.2019 02:14 |
Jo T., Great CPR tip, Deaky is great!! When I was working as the charge nurse, I had to take ALS (advanced life saving) as well. I actually knew how to read the EKGs and the proper medications to give as well as intubation. It was a very hard class but I mananged to get through it five times before I retired. |
thundergod 31.01.2019 02:18 |
Rainbow, Freddie always had a driver when in New York. He did not want a limousine but had bought himself a Lincoln Town Car. Lorrie (nickname) was a great driver and would also join in with us on the adventures he drove us to. |
Anniebee 31.01.2019 02:56 |
Jo T. That is a great CPR tip, working in a hospital I have to have BLS certification (glad it’s not ALS like you did Thor!) so I’ll have to remember AOBTD next time lol. Thor, I’ve Never been to a Montreal but would love to go one day. I have a coworker who is French Canadian from Montreal, she’s great! Very UN-apologetically French Canadian Lol. My hubby used to visit friends around the Niagara Falls area and used to joke them for being southern Canadian, saying “eh, y’all” lol. Bad joke haha. |
Blenkolove 31.01.2019 03:20 |
Jo T. Your CPR tip is an excellent mnemonic!!! I will suggest it to our dental office's CPR instructor this spring when she comes in to recertify our staff!! With more than 10 recertifications under my belt, Staying Alive was never mentioned. AOBTD is just perfect!!.....and timely too!! Thankfully, I have never had to use my CPR knowledge.....but many years ago...my boxer was choking on a kibble so I put my arms around his waist, pulled up forcefully....and pppchew....a kibble shot out about five feet across the kitchen!!! Wiggles was so grateful that every time he'd swallow kibble even slightly wrong he would look up at me and expect a Heimlich!!!!! |
thundergod 31.01.2019 05:08 |
Adorable story Blenkolove! |
Jo T. 31.01.2019 05:25 |
Blenkolove, I copied and pasted from the American Heart Association Web site: Music Can Save Lives Take 90 Seconds to Learn How to Save a Life Watch the 90-second video. Visit heart.org/handsonlycpr to watch the Hands-Only CPR instructional video and share it with the important people in your life. Hands-Only CPR is a natural introduction to CPR, and the AHA encourages everyone to learn conventional CPR as a next step. You can find a CPR class near you at heart.org/findacourse. Song examples include “Stayin’ Alive” by the Bee Gees, “Crazy in Love” by Beyoncé featuring Jay-Z, “Hips Don’t Lie” by Shakira” or “Walk the Line” by Johnny Cash. People feel more confident performing Hands-Only CPR and are more likely to remember the correct rate when trained to the beat of a familiar song. When performing CPR, you should push on the chest at a rate of 100 to 120 compressions per minute, which corresponds to the beat of the song examples above. |
Jo T. 31.01.2019 05:52 |
Blenkolove (Part Deux): I actually didn't see the AHA's "Music Can Save Lives," till AFTER I had made post #7. In my most recent CPR class (AHA BLS Provider), the CPR instructor had mentioned "Stayin' Alive," and I've heard it in my previous classes. Also, have you ever watched "The Office?" I was a fan. There's a famous episode where Michael Scott (the Steve Carell character) invites a CPR instructor to train the employees. They end up goofing off to "Stayin' Alive." It's hysterical. Search "Dunder Mifflin's CPR Class" in YouTube. BTW, Michael Scott had poor hand placement for CPR. You know, I actually like Beyonce's "Crazy in Love" and own the CD. I also like Shakira's "Hips Don't Lie." Growing up, my father was a Johnny Cash fan. I vaguely recall "Walk the Line" but had to refresh my memory on YouTube. These songs honestly aren't as good as Queen's "AOBTD" or the BGs "Stayin' Alive" for chest compressions. Seriously, Beyonce??!! Why isn't "AOBTD" featured on the AHA Web site? Feb. 1st is the start of American Health Month and Go Red for Women. I'm seriously considering advocating for "AOBTD" to be included as a song on the AHA Web site. "In light of the recent popularity of 'Bohemian Rhapsody,' may I request that the AHA include 'AOBTD' on its Web site?" Am I crazy or what? You've all inspired me to contact the AHA. |
Rainbow61 31.01.2019 05:58 |
Thor, Montreal is one of my favorite cities. Have been there many times….have French-Canadian in my family tree. What did you do during the day before the concerts? Did you have a chance to see the old section of the city (What we refer to as "Old Montreal") or take in any of the other great sites? |
thundergod 31.01.2019 06:11 |
Rainbow, Well to tell you the truth, in 1981 we only had 3 busy days. We went to both concerts and then went out on the town. However, as a kid, my family drove up to Montreal for Expo 1968. I was only 13 year old but we toured around. I was a future loving kid, so I enjoyed Habitat '68 thoroughly which was still there in 1981. The American Pavillion was great too, with lots of space things. |
thundergod 31.01.2019 06:14 |
Oh crap, or was it Expo '67. I loved the New York Worlds Fair 1964 and 1965 so much that I think it was me who pushed the family to go to this World's Fair.Yes, I am pretty sure it was Expo'67. |
stevendabudgie 31.01.2019 06:50 |
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thundergod 31.01.2019 06:56 |
Thank you stevedabudgie, I will look at them tomorrow. It is 11pm here and I am exhuasted from being on the computer for 15 hours. |
Rainbow61 31.01.2019 07:37 |
It was Expo '67. I heard about it as a kid, but didn't go. If Freddie had decided to stay in NYC, or at least continued to live there part-time instead of leaving when he did, do you think you would have remained there as well, or were you ready to move whether Freddie stayed or not? |
thundergod 31.01.2019 07:54 |
The fact that Joe S. and John M. were pursuing relationships, and then Freddie left, Lee and I needed a change of locale. We had been to LA and San Francisco many times but we wanted a big city feel with a more relaxed lifestyle. We got fed-up with New York and the time was ripe to "go west, young men".And we did! |
Mariag 31.01.2019 10:40 |
Thank you Thor and i'm sorry I misspelled your name! Great to be a part of this. Yes it was wrote on Nureyev's biography. I'll look into it better. Cheers |
Anniebee 01.02.2019 14:51 |
Slow day yesterday! Thor, how’s the publisher hunt coming along? You’ve been working hard on it, I hope it pays off soon. Also, did Freddie ever give you any insight on things he liked or disliked about America? |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.02.2019 17:50 |
Hello and Happy Friday! It's also my birthday weekend, as I turn 36 on Tuesday! Phew! I do have a question and it's probably already answered, but I don't remember seeing it in my re-read of the thread: Were you with Freddie the night they played SNL? |
thundergod 01.02.2019 18:08 |
Hey Anniebee, Well, now the publishing search is a little more complicated. We now have an offer, but we are thinking that they might be a vanity press. All indications seem to point towards "vanity"..There are a lot of dissatisfied clients offering negative comments about them on the internet. Freddie liked the United States very much, but he absolutely LOVED New York City because of the freedom it provided for him in the early '80s, unlike London. |
thundergod 01.02.2019 18:12 |
Hi Sweet, Yes, we were with Freddie the night before SNL and then for the live show. Freddie had been up most of the night, arguing and fighting with Bill Reid. Most believe it was not one of Freddie's best performances. Freddie could have used a good night's sleep instead of a fight. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.02.2019 20:59 |
Thanks for replying! Bill Reid sounded freaking awful. |
Blenkolove 02.02.2019 00:27 |
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SWEET!!! BOY, I Wish I could be 36 again!!!! I REALLY Enjoyed my late thirties.....Even Forties were Wonderful!! ...50's brought PRICELESS grandchildren, the wisdom and confidence of Life Experience, plus a never-ending/always present TICK-TICK-TICK of your pending personal expiration date !!!......At your age, YOU ARE JUST PERFECT!! Have a FABULOUS birthday weekend!!.......and Live every day like it's your last!!!!!!!! |
Katydyd5 02.02.2019 00:51 |
Happy Birthday Sweet! |
Katydyd5 02.02.2019 00:54 |
Thor, is the publisher who accepted you the one near Garden Lodge? It's probably wise to do some investigating if you think they are "vanity". |
thundergod 02.02.2019 00:56 |
Oh-oh Sweet, I guess I am responsible for shortening your QZ name. I hope you do not mind. AND...have a very Happy Birthday, but don't eat too many sweets!...LOL |
thundergod 02.02.2019 00:59 |
No Katydyd it was not. About 5 more weeks to hear from them. I don't want to say their name because we haven't eliminated them completely, but we are close to doing that. |
Jo T. 02.02.2019 01:06 |
Forgive me if it has already been addressed in previous posts I have yet to read - far too many - how about LGBT and/or LGBTQ-friendly publishers or is the target audience too narrow? Gosh, what a brutal industry! |
thundergod 02.02.2019 01:15 |
Jo T., We tried a few people that claimed they had some LGBT interests. Unfortunately, one of them was the lady who did, "not have a passion." for our book. The other did, "not have a vision" for our book. Back to the drawing board. I just hate to keep the GoFundMe donors waiting so long for it! |
Anniebee 02.02.2019 01:56 |
Thor, you know that we support you and Lee in this endeavor and you’ve already given those of us that have donated a way out. You will find the right publisher when the time is right! And thank you for taking such care with this and not wanting to just give it to any old publisher. Sweet, happy early Birthday! My daughter’s birthday is tomorrow, she’ll be 14, where the heck is time going? Hope you have a fun filled birthday weekend!! |
Jo T. 02.02.2019 02:25 |
Hogwash (I held my tongue.)! They lacked "passion" and "vision" for your and Lee's manuscript only because they weren't fans of Freddie Mercury. You need access to an industry insider who is an ardent Queen and FM fan. I second Anniebee! |
thundergod 02.02.2019 02:34 |
We are trying hard. Only about 25 more rejections for the book to be par with J.K. Rowling's books with 50 rejections before success. |
Rainbow61 02.02.2019 04:44 |
Sweet, A very happy birthday to you. Enjoy your celebration weekend! |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.02.2019 05:14 |
Oh to be the SWEET and TENDER age of 36 again!!!! (See what I did there haha) Happiest of birthdays to you SweetandTenderHooligan!!!!! |
BohemianKiKi 02.02.2019 06:02 |
Wowowow!! I just made it! Hi all, I’ve been on this journey with you starting on page one of Thor’s first site. It’s taken me about 2 weeks to go through what for some of you has been a warm, affectionate and connecting journey over the past year and a half (2 Christmases! 2 Thanksgivings!... well 4 if we count my Canadian ones! and 2 Freddie birthdays!). What a celebration it’s been of a beautiful human soul and legend. Thor & Lee I have so much love and gratitude in my heart for what you’ve initiated here, and what you and the core team have done to keep the spirit positive, honest and truthful. I’ve always loved Queen & particularly Freddie, but I’m like one of the many that after seeing the movie my interest broke open to a whole new beast. I can’t stop diving in to all i can know about Freddie, he is somehow now alive in my heart and this thread has been a big part of it. Over this time it’s been a process of grieving as well (grieving Freddie 27 years later), as if I lost a friend recently, and this thread too has been a healing journey. So thank you all, I’m so glad I’ve read it all and now feel confident to join in the conversation. Thank you Thor! Thank you Lee! I’m rooting for the book project Thor & Lee! I may have questions or more input at some point soon, but for now just wanted to say, hi! PS Thor, you mentioned you were aiming to lose some weight this year. I’m a nutritionist and if you feel you ever would like some input or advice I’d love to offer you my help and knowledge. I’d be very happy to share something back if you feel it’s useful for you after all you’ve shared here. |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.02.2019 06:50 |
Welcome BohemianKiKi! |
Katydyd5 02.02.2019 14:03 |
Welcome BohemianKiKi! What a fantastic first post. You articulated everything that is wonderful about this site. It truly is warm and connecting, all bound together by the glue Thor and Lee have provided. I didn't realize how long we'd been together until you mentioned the holidays! It took me a while to jump in, but once I did I've been very active ever since. We do strive to keep it positive and it has paid off to work towards that goal. I understand the grieving process too. Freddie is so alive in my heart that it is a jolt at times to remember how long he's been gone. Feel free to ask questions. With so many new people Thor and Lee have been very generous in answering questions more than once. I've got one or two I've been thinking about that I know were addressed early on, but I'd like to hear a bit more from their perspective. Gathering my thoughts and then I'll post. So glad you will be joining us on this journey! |
thundergod 02.02.2019 17:30 |
Oh my god, BohemianKiKi, I agree! Your first reply is a wonderful starting point for your entry into our group of genuinely good, honest Freddie/Queen adorers. Welcome, and many thanks for your very supportive comments. |
Annie65 02.02.2019 17:35 |
Hi Bohemiankiki....you expressed exactly the way I have been since seeing the movie and I too was really comforted in finding this thread! It seems I just can’t get enough Freddie Mercury so I’m just going for it and loving the obsession right now. Much thanks to Thor and Lee and all the rest who I’ve learned so much from.. |
BohemianKiKi 02.02.2019 20:25 |
Awww, yay! Thanks all for the warm welcome all... I feel like I know you after going deep through the threads, so it feels great to be embraced back. Thanks Katydyd, NQAS, Thor & Annie65. One of the things that has been great from Thor’s sharings (and some of Lee’s) is to hear about Freddie’s fanatastic sense of humour (which I agree the movie did not do justice). That always felt so from his mischievous, sparkly, sassy performances but it’s lovely to have it affirmed by his dear Friends, live here and now! I’m sure many of you have seen all or parts of this video compilation but it’s such a smile-bringer to watch all stitched together. link Off to work for the evening. Talk soon! |
Rainbow61 02.02.2019 21:39 |
BohemianKiKi, Welcome to QueenZone. You have certainly captured the spirit of the people who gather here. It’s hard to explain to others how you can miss someone you have never met; feel sadness over a loss years after it happened. What is great is that the Freddie fans on this thread understand exactly what I mean, and that is truly comforting. |
Rainbow61 02.02.2019 22:43 |
Hi Thor, How many Queen concerts in all did you go to over the years? Did you usually know ahead of time where you would be sitting? You mentioned sitting near Brian May's parents on one occasion...was there always a "Special Guests" section that was reserved for friends and family of the band and that is where you sat, or could you pick where you wanted to sit? Just wondering if you ever had front row seats or were close enough to the stage so that Freddie actually saw you during the show? Did you always stay for the entire show, encore included, or are you a "leave early and avoid the crowd" guy? I always stay until the end...and then some. When you and the guys went out with Freddie after the shows, did you wait for him backstage or meet him back at the hotel before heading to the clubs? (Hmmm....I think I might have asked some of these questions before....not sure. They are vaguely familiar! I keep saying I am going to reread everything on the threads to refresh my memory, but I have not gotten around to it. The content of these 2 threads alone could be made into a book! Does anyone on QZ know if there is some feature on this site that would allow me to click on a button and pull up a history of everything I have posted? That would help me to avoid asking my own questions twice! :) |
Blenkolove 02.02.2019 23:14 |
Welcome to all newcomers!!! I just love ALL the bits n pieces every person brings ....All in the name of Love for Freddie!!! It's like we are all stitching little bits of fabric onto a 'For the Love of Freddie' Quilt!!!! Now, could some kind soul please tell an old-school granny about this thing called instagram?????? I created an account in order to catch Villiers Lives......but I'm lost in the woods!! I scrolled back to previous threads to see if I could find a link......it's Surely there and I just missed it!! But I would so like to hear her discussions (on YouTube, it would be Much easier???)........i do LOVE LOVE LOVE ALL THE PHOTOS OF FREDDIE ON WHAT LITTLE OF INSTAGRAM I HAVE PERUSED!!! TY GRANNY |
Freddienotfreddy 03.02.2019 05:24 |
Welcome, BoheminaKiKi, I'm a relative newcomer myself and I felt everything you described in your inaugural post, even the grieving for Freddie all these many years after his death. I am glad that I'm not a crazy person and relish this site and others who have similar feelings. |
thundergod 03.02.2019 06:33 |
Hi Rainbow, Let's see now, I think the total is 12 concerts. I and then we never left early. Freddie always arranged for us to go backstage. Phoebe would come to get us. There was a 15 minute cooling down period for the band, so we had to wait until that was over (except once when we were allowed to enter that inner sanctum per Freddie's wishes.). Seats were always in good locations reserved for guests of the band, but they were not on the floor always like first or second row near stage left. He knew the location of our seats but remember, these were large stadiums so we had a great view but not close proximity to Freddie. We would wait for him each time backstage and Freddie always was anxious to leave the backstage area quickly and go out. Ah, those were the days! |
thundergod 03.02.2019 06:35 |
Correction: Not always Stadiums but Concert Halls too. |
thundergod 03.02.2019 06:41 |
Sorry, I am of no help with social media sites. I have always stayed away from them. But, I would be glad to learn anything to help find Villier's live broadcast. |
Rainbow61 03.02.2019 08:09 |
A belated welcome to space cow and Mariag. space cow...I've often wondered if there are any paintings, drawings, or sketches in private hands that Freddie did...especially from his art school days....maybe something he gave as a gift? I assume his sister has some items that she inherited from their mom, Jer, after she passed away. Mariag....Peter Freestone has a great blog where he answers questions about Freddie. He addressed the Rudolf Nureyev question. Here is the link: link |
Villiers2 03.02.2019 10:45 |
Hello all To those who were trying to find my live chats, I usually only hold them once a week. This week's topic is the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. I opened questions for 24 hours and got plenty to answer and discuss. However, it's happening smack dab in the middle of the superbowl so no surprise is the live watchers are low this week. Feb 3rd 7pm CST I'll be live and of course it'll save for 24 hours on my page, plus I will be recording it to add to YouTube once I make that YouTube page. I finally found a screen recording app that works, to all my lives will have to be redone. The Mary and Paul Prenter lives were the most viewed and the highest in demand for a re-recording. Fun! If you're looking for my page, you can paste this link into your internet browser: instagram.com/queen_memes.KL Or you can hit the magnifying glass at the bottom of your Instagram app, and type in @Queen_Memes.KL in the search bar. We have a pretty loud profile pic, so it's hard to miss us lol. |
Villiers2 03.02.2019 10:45 |
Hello all To those who were trying to find my live chats, I usually only hold them once a week. This week's topic is the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. I opened questions for 24 hours and got plenty to answer and discuss. However, it's happening smack dab in the middle of the superbowl so no surprise is the live watchers are low this week. Feb 3rd 7pm CST I'll be live and of course it'll save for 24 hours on my page, plus I will be recording it to add to YouTube once I make that YouTube page. I finally found a screen recording app that works, to all my lives will have to be redone. The Mary and Paul Prenter lives were the most viewed and the highest in demand for a re-recording. Fun! If you're looking for my page, you can paste this link into your internet browser: instagram.com/queen_memes.KL Or you can hit the magnifying glass at the bottom of your Instagram app, and type in @Queen_Memes.KL in the search bar. We have a pretty loud profile pic, so it's hard to miss us lol. |
Villiers2 03.02.2019 10:46 |
Hello all To those who were trying to find my live chats, I usually only hold them once a week. This week's topic is the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. I opened questions for 24 hours and got plenty to answer and discuss. However, it's happening smack dab in the middle of the superbowl so no surprise is the live watchers are low this week. Feb 3rd 7pm CST I'll be live and of course it'll save for 24 hours on my page, plus I will be recording it to add to YouTube once I make that YouTube page. I finally found a screen recording app that works, to all my lives will have to be redone. The Mary and Paul Prenter lives were the most viewed and the highest in demand for a re-recording. Fun! If you're looking for my page, you can paste this link into your internet browser: instagram.com/queen_memes.KL Or you can hit the magnifying glass at the bottom of your Instagram app, and type in @Queen_Memes.KL in the search bar. We have a pretty loud profile pic, so it's hard to miss us lol. |
Villiers2 03.02.2019 10:47 |
It just wouldn't be Queenzone unless your post gets added multiple times by accident would it. Whoops |
space cow 03.02.2019 17:12 |
Thanks, Rainbow :) I also wondered about how much input did Freddie have in the album cover art in later years, knowing that his artistic skills and formal education.. I've sent that question to Phoebe hoping that he might answer it in his blog but very soon after that he paused writing it. And I remember reading somewhere about Jimi Hendrix portrait that can be found on the internet, that Freddie's sister Kashmira mentioned he had made dozens of those.. |
Rainbow61 03.02.2019 19:59 |
space cow, I looked back on Peter's "Ask Phoebe" blog and he did mention that Kashmira inherited the collection of artwork and clothing Freddie created during his art school days and was having it catalogued and preserved. Some of his art was displayed during the "Stormtroopers in Stilettos" exhibition in London in 2011. If you go to this link, you will see several of Freddie's sketches, including the one of Jimi Hendrix. link Did anyone go to this exhibition? What did you think of it? |
sammyfrankfreddie96 03.02.2019 21:25 |
Hi there Thor/Lee! Its really great that you do this, thank you so much. I'm a more recent Freddie/Queen fan. I was a big fan/performer of musical theatre prior to finding Queen, which got me wondering: If you guys ever discussed it, was Freddie a fan of musicals, and if so what were some of Freddie's favorite musicals? :) Did he ever express a desire to perform any roles in the West End or on Broadway? The thing I love most about Freddie's voice is how versatile it is, I feel he could've played or sang just about any role. Like many others I wish he could've played or at least sang some of the songs of The Phantom in Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom, or even some Judas from 'Jesus Christ Superstar'... Thank you so much! Also, my apologies if this topic was already covered...haven't had time to read through all of it yet! Take care! |
thundergod 03.02.2019 21:52 |
Welcome, Sammyfrank, Glad you are joining us and thank you for your kind words. My answer is not going to be exciting for you, but here goes: Believe it or not, within those two-plus years in New York, Freddie never made arrangements for us to go to a Broadway show. There are only two shows that I remember him ever talking about. I did not go with him to see it, but at the time he loved "Dreamgirls" and even invited Jennifer Holiday to his Saturday Night Live performance. He loved the power of her voice. (By the way, I went to high school and shared a few of the same classes with Sheryl Lee Ralph also from the original Broadway production..look her up - she went to Uniondale High School as did I) The second play that he ever mentioned was "The Elephant Man" with David Bowie but I'm pretty sure he saw this in London. Freddie had a pretty tight schedule while living in New York, promoting albums, the1982 World Tour, and other projects as well as visiting and going out, somewhat frequently, with us. |
NotQuiteAShilling 03.02.2019 22:39 |
Welcome SammyFrankFreddie. I absolutely LOVE your idea of Freddie doing Judas in JCS!!! Or Jesus. Or hey why not an all Queen version?! Man wouldn't that have been something to see?! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 03.02.2019 23:55 |
Hiiiiiiii Thor, remember Dave Clark’s Time the Musical that we went to see? Was that 86 or 91? Freddie wrote one number for it which guaranteed us great seats. I would have remembered that Nureyev story. Wasn’t us. I wonder who. Anniebee-travels with Mother of any kind we’re more than we can possibly describe. He seemed to be having great fun when he was making sure that we were having a good time. Couldn’t pick one trip over another. Rainbow1- would we have moved or not? We will never, never know the answer to that question, but I DO recall things getting a bit dull in NYC, if you can believe it, when Freddie left. Just about that time Joe and John we’re finding love, and Thor and I were two poor waifs alone in the city, getting on a plane every six weeks to get outta Dodge. Re: Freddie’s cars. In place of a limo, as Thor said, Freddie opted for a Lincoln Town Car. Fire engine red. Probably brand new at the time. There will be a quick shot of it in the book, that I took the morning we were leaving for our Houston trip. Freddie, definitely took it as a photo op. When a larger car was needed he would make sure we had one, but I DO remember quite a few of us doing that college schtick where we saw how many ‘clowns’ we could fit in the back of the car. Lorrie, who you’ll also have the pleasure of meeting in the book, in his unique glory, use to moonlight chauffeuring with Freddie’s car. Freddie paid him year round so that he would be available if he happened to pop into town. If WE knew that that Freddie must have known that. Don’t recalll If that went over very well. Also I brought the slides, just the slides to London in 91. Freddie got a huge screen and a projector from the Queen office, and we set it up in the grand salon ( which is what I called that main room of the house). Freddie invited a few friends over, and we had great fun. Freddie use to get frustrated with me because the music was having the slides change rather rapidly...LoL...but we would always go back and go through them one by one, remembering when and where they were taken and how I got each person to do what in the photo. Villiers1-I like the way you summed up that Mary and the belongings issue. You are probably spot on. Where did you hear that? I think it was a great addition to the story. Sweet tenderhooligan-A favorite story of mine regarding SNL, had to do with the dress rehearsal, which had a full audience. We opted for the rehearsal as oppposed to the show, so we could give the tickets to Joe and John. Were we nice kids or what? There was no guest list to get in, and we got on line in the lobby of the building. Well, that wasn’t working for us so we made our way up to the guard and told him exactly who we were. HA! Thor could be pretty persuasive, and in we went. I don’t think it hurt that Thor threatened the guard, telling him he’d be in trouble with Freddie if we didn’t make it upstairs right away. It wouldn’t have been pretty had Freddie gotten in the middle of it. LOL. The show was fun and we visited backstage, of course, between the ehearsal and the main broadcast. Wel kidandos, I’m off to a Super Bowl Party, having to first make my way out of the complex, passed a neighbor who has been screaming for the last half hour. That’s a long story. XOXO |
thundergod 04.02.2019 00:10 |
Yup Lee, I forgot to mention "Time". Dave Clark will never forgive me! Sorry, Dave. |
Blenkolove 04.02.2019 00:27 |
THANK YOU SO MUCH VILLIERS!!!! I AM SO EXCITED!! I WILL HAVE SUPER BOWL ON MUTE...SO I CAN LISTEN TO YOUR SHOW!! I don't think I would have found you....if you hadn't helped!! |
Katydyd5 04.02.2019 02:09 |
Welcome Sammy and Space Cow...…….and anyone else new that I may have missed. There are so many new faces now that it is hard to keep up! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.02.2019 03:24 |
Welcome one and all |
Blenkolove 04.02.2019 03:59 |
Villiers.....caught ur live (Super bowl was kind of a snoozer till 4th quarter!). Very well done and you have a beautiful voice! Thanks for all the Freddie/Queen info, research and references. Well done and look forward to hearing all previous Lives I missed on YouTube!! Your take on Paul Prenter was an eye opener for me......as he is so often portrayed as evil incarnate!!!! |
The Squirrelly One 04.02.2019 05:06 |
Caught the end of your live and watched it back Villers! I got to take part in the discussion in the comments as well this time. Very well done! And thanks for mentioning the New York daughters! They really need a live of their own. Yes belenkenlove I agree. She doesnt sugar coat anything about Paul. It confirmed a ton of things I had been speculating about for a while but didn't know where to find the information. It was a little hard to keep up with all the comments live as so many people were joining in but I see why it's so popular. You come prepared with information and research. Very cool! I see Thor and Lee hit their goal for go fund me but I'm willing to bet had they not, a live from villers about them would push them above and beyond! Now I'm off to bed. Super bowl was fun but beer gives me a headache...you'd think I'd learn by now. |
thundergod 04.02.2019 05:16 |
Hello, hello Squirrelly, Long time, no hear. We've missed your input. I hope you continue to come back now and again to chime in. Things are friendlier here than they used to be. |
The Squirrelly One 04.02.2019 05:20 |
That's good to hear Thor. The thread had it's fair share of trolls in the past. I check in from time to time but I was excited to finally have caught on to something hip like Instagram and I was happy to see others here were watching the same thing I was tonight! My daughter made me a page and I'm figuring it all out slowly. I have a lot of reading here to catch up on. |
thundergod 04.02.2019 05:24 |
Take your time Squirrelly, All you have to do is say "peep", just that one word, when you can!...lol |
Rainbow61 04.02.2019 06:14 |
Hello sammy...welcome to QZ, The question about musicals made me think....Can you imagine how absolutely amazing it would have been if Freddie had done a solo album of Broadway/movie musical favorites. Instant best seller! |
thundergod 04.02.2019 06:29 |
Right On Rainbow, As an old Broadway buff, Freddie singing my favorite songs from the many shows on Broadway would have been spectacular. Oh, if he could have sung "Send in the Clowns", I would have melted! |
Rainbow61 04.02.2019 06:54 |
Thor, "Send in the Clowns" is a great choice. I would love to have heard Freddie sing "The Impossible Dream"...such a beautiful, dramatic song...that would have made me melt. |
thundergod 04.02.2019 07:13 |
Yes, the "Impossible Dream" would have been glorious. Another one I'd like to hear him sing was from "Pippin", namely, "Morning Glow". Rainbow, you need to join me sometime in New York at Marie's Crisis. We could stay all night and sing them all...lol that's a line from "Judy Garland at Carnegie Hall" |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.02.2019 17:30 |
Kathleen, Thanks so much for the SNL tidbit! The story of Thor is hilarious. I love people who buck rules and use their charm to get ahead- it's a talent! Did you guys ever have a chance to experience what kind of schedule Freddie had? Did he slept late every day? I dated a famous musician for a while (horrible person, btw) and he only got up before 1pm if he had a show that evening and had to work out before soundcheck. LOL. |
thundergod 04.02.2019 19:57 |
Hi Sweet, In the 1980's Freddie was quite the night owl. New York was open until 4 AM, every night. I understand, from Phoebe that he would often entertain friends until the wee hours of the morning in London as well. Both Lee and I were late night people too as Prime Time at the clubs was about 1 AM. When I had to work my 12-hour shift at the hospital, I would occasionally grab a cab back and forth to Freddie's house on my 1-hour "lunch" break from Midnight to 1 AM. Although short, these several visits were wonderful breaks from a 12-hour work shift in '81 and '82. |
Villiers2 04.02.2019 20:27 |
Hey thanks blenkolove and tso, I'm glad you enjoyed the live chat. I can't stand the sound of my own voice to be honest, but people seem to like taking part in them and sending in questions. Re Paul Prenter, I always say Paul's first priority was Paul and he certainly wasn't Freddie's best choice as a companion, but Freddie was no idiot. He wouldn't keep someone around for 10 years in his inner circle unless they contributed to his life in some way. Like him or not (and there's plenty of reason to not) Paul was one of Freddie's first gay friends in the buisness. He acquainted Freddie with London's gay scene/culture and as we all know, that was something Freddie did get plenty of happiness from. Hey Lee! All that Mary info was from Peter Freestone's second book which focused more on what happened after Freddie passed away. A really interesting read, for sure |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.02.2019 23:54 |
Hi Squirrely. Welcome back. Freddie doing a albums of Broadway hits. I DO see him as a Send in The Clowns candidate, rather than the Surrey With The Fringe on Top kinda guy. LOL When I left grad school, I was determined to end up on Broadway. Alas, only out of town theatre and club gigs for me. I DID manage to make t to Broadway...every time I crossed Time Square! HA! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.02.2019 23:56 |
Villiers, How exactly do one get to here your show, podcast, live chat? What IS it called? Anyway was flattered to here that the New York Daughters were mentioned. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 05.02.2019 00:04 |
Thor hit the nail on the head. Freddie was the late night entertiner. I’m sure he saw many sunrises though...as in still being up when it came. We were returning from the Saint one morning 6:00ish maybe, and we all went parading through the lobby of The Soverign in our finest gay garb, touch of leather, and the ubiquitous 501 button jeans, and the concierge and security looked at us, and one of them said “You guys SURE know how to party!” We remained stone face until we entered the elevator and we all cracked up. He wasn’t one to sleep the ENTIRE day away, as we know, cause he hated wasting time. I’m sure he was up by the crack of 1:00 PM...maybe. |
sammyfrankfreddie96 05.02.2019 00:13 |
Thor: Thank you so much for your answer! I appreciate you taking the time, and it was absolutely interesting to read nonetheless ;) Rainbow: YES PLEASE! GOD how I wish Freddie could've done an album of Broadway material. "The Music of the Night", "Bring Him Home" from Les Mis, of course the Superstar stuff, and imagine him doing "The Impossible Dream" in a crazy high key, ending on an epic note!!! Would've been incredible. And of course "Send in the Clowns" please |
thundergod 05.02.2019 00:19 |
Sammy FF, Wow, that's a great selection of Broadway tunes, especially Les Mis...move over Susan Boyle..LOL |
thundergod 05.02.2019 00:26 |
Believe it or not, my brother and his wife saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" twice and have become bid Queen/Freddie fans. They only found out about my connection with Freddie at the family reunion in July 2018. I had kept this part of my life away from them and NOW, I am now I am not sure why? He sent me this clip today. I had never seen it before...maybe some of you have not either.It's very well done. link |
thundergod 05.02.2019 00:27 |
Forgive the typos please. |
Katydyd5 05.02.2019 01:11 |
Thanks for sharing that clip Thor. It's so easy to see why he's such a legend. Never thought about Freddie singing anything from Les Miz, but "Bring Him Home" would have reduced me to a puddle of tears. In one of the documentaries about Freddie Montserrat Caballe mentioned that they had talked about doing Phantom of the Opera together. She said she actually recorded her part, but at that point he was too sick to talk to her on the phone, though they did play it for him so he could hear it. Thor, I find it fascinating that your brother didn't know of your connection with Freddie, though I respect that you had your reasons and I'm not asking. I'm just imagining though if my brother suddenly dropped something like that on me now. My jaw would still be on the floor. Unfortunately my brother is one who just does not get it. I think he views my obsession with a "this too shall pass" attitude. He's wrong. |
Rainbow61 05.02.2019 01:21 |
Thor, I have never seen Pippen. I have to admit that my knowledge of Broadway musicals is limited to what I have seen in high school/college productions or maybe musicals turned into films…but an evening of song among friends certainly sounds like great fun! At least I have walked down Broadway, so I got to feel the outside energy of where those wonderful shows happened! Okay, one more song for Freddie…not from a Broadway show but an Elvis movie musical. Listening to Freddie sing “Can’t Help Falling In Love” would have been magical! I know it would have made me cry! |
thundergod 05.02.2019 01:24 |
Ahhh, you're such a romantic Rainbow...I love it! |
Rainbow61 05.02.2019 03:43 |
Thor, From all that you and Lee have told us about Freddie, it was obvious that while in NYC, he just wanted to fit in and be one of the guys. He wasn’t looking for attention, in fact he shied away from it. Maybe you didn’t say anything to your brother back then because you were simply honoring Freddie’s wishes. To tell everyone about your famous friend would have violated the implicit trust he had in his companions that they would maintain his privacy and not use his fame to impress others. |
thundergod 05.02.2019 03:47 |
No Rainbow, I think I just feared what they would think. Being on QueenZone has set me free. You have become a big part of that Rainbow along with some others. Thank you for that!! |
spiralstatic 05.02.2019 08:13 |
Talking of Send in the Clowns, I presume you've all heard this, but I thought why not share it here. I hope that's OK. xx link |
Anniebee 05.02.2019 11:28 |
Lee, it seems to me instead of “home is where the heart is” you guys could say “fun is where Freddie is!” I love seeing glimpses of Freddie in the stories you and Thor share and to me he seems like a person who got a lot of satisfaction in making others happy. What a great friend! I think he loved you guys because in you he found friends who were friends, not people who would take advantage because if his fame and status. What a great friendship! |
Anniebee 05.02.2019 12:19 |
Thor and Lee, did you guys ever get to meet his costume designer/friend Diana Moseley? She seems like a really cool person, again another great friend he surrounded himself with. |
FreddieDarling 05.02.2019 13:42 |
Welcome to Sammy and Space Cow! :+) Wanted to share with you all a YouTube link I discovered ofa lovely Phoebe interview! link It's over 50 minutes long. VillersZ, do you have a YouTube channel where you've uploaded your Instagram chats to, also? Hoping the negotiations with publishers are going well for you boys! Fingers crossed! Bye for now. |
Katydyd5 05.02.2019 13:53 |
Thor, it warmed my heart to see you say that being on QZ has set you free. What a glorious feeling that is! |
Katydyd5 05.02.2019 14:10 |
Lee mentioned one of the Garden Lodge tapes in a previous post and I finally had the time to go and look for it. It looks like Joe Fanelli is filming all of you, while someone we never see is standing behind him, also filming. The nice dining room furniture is out in the garden...…...I imagine that was some heavy work to get that out there! There is some general milling about and then the group moves back towards the house and Freddie rejoins the group. It is at that point that Lee says something that makes Freddie burst out laughing. So here's my question. He immediately covers his mouth with his hand. Did he always do that with you guys or was he able to relax most of the time and let the laugh flow? Had covering his mouth become such a habit that he did it at times even among close friends? I saw an interview with Peter Freestone where he said that his best memories were of Freddie freely laughing at GL without worrying about his teeth. He had such an infectious laugh and I love to find videos where he really unleashes it. I debated including the link for the tape because I find them kind of private. This one is fun though, and shows all of you enjoying each other. link |
thundergod 05.02.2019 17:14 |
Hey there, spiralstatic, OMG, a recording of Freddie playing "Send in the Clowns" on the piano...I was stunned, now learning that 1/2 of my dream had actually come true. I wish he would have sung as well, but hey, just to know that Freddie liked that song enough to play it and play it so beautifully, leaves me happily content! Thank you so much for sharing that spiralstatic. |
thundergod 05.02.2019 17:21 |
Hello Anniebee, Thank you for your very kind words about our friendship with Freddie. I, personally, don't remember meeting Diana Moseley. Perhaps Lee remembers. When he gets on-line again, I'm sure he will be happy to tell you. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.02.2019 17:26 |
Katy, IIRC either Jim or Phoebe (I'm leaning towards Phoebe) stated that Freddie insisted the table be dragged outside for his "American guests" so they could eat alfresco. They couldn't drag the dining table so they used the one he had brought over from Stafford Terrace. Everyone looked so cute and happy in that video. I love that video, and Thor I must ask what your workout routine was because you looked amazing and I'm sure you still do! It's my birthday today so I'm jamming to Freddie at my desk at work :) |
thundergod 05.02.2019 17:26 |
Hi, FreddieDarling, Thank you for sharing that Phoebe video. Since you said it is over 50 min. long, I will watch it later today. I love seeing Phoebe. Lee and I are going to have a Skype session with him in two weeks. Still waiting for a time that he prefers, as he is 8 hours ahead of us. |
thundergod 05.02.2019 17:33 |
Hi, Katydyd, Talk about a trip down memory lane, I had forgotten that part of the Garden Lodge outdoor dinner was caught on film. I really enjoyed seeing it. Thank you so much! |
thundergod 05.02.2019 18:09 |
Happy Birthday dear sweetandgentlehooligan, Happy Birthday to you! Thanks for the compliment. At that time I was spending about two hours at the gym, five days a week. I used to enjoy the gym but after age 56, I was just not getting that same thrill and endorphin rush but rather, it just seemed like hard work. I keep paying yearly for my gym membership because back in 1985 San Diego, the price was $5.00/month for life, but I don't happen to go there anymore. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.02.2019 19:10 |
Thank you! I'm so happy you're talking to Phoebe soon! |
Rainbow61 05.02.2019 23:00 |
Thor, The followers of QueenZone are a fairly diverse group of people. We hail from different countries, span multiple age groups, and certainly have very different backgrounds…yet somehow it all works. The tone that you and Lee set for this thread early on allows us to be crazy Freddie fans together and to have fun doing so. That is the "freedom" you have given us, so a big thanks to you both! |
ragstomorerags 05.02.2019 23:19 |
Hi everyone! I'm another new poster, just enjoying reading all the comments. Have you all noticed that many, if not most of the posters under Freddie Mercury's YouTube videos speak of him in the present tense? That's more than charisma and talent, that's mojo! Anyway, I am as spellbound as I was from a kid all the way through college and past that. Peace to all! |
thundergod 05.02.2019 23:36 |
Thank you so much for your thoughts Rainbow and you are certainly welcome. |
thundergod 05.02.2019 23:44 |
Speaking of welcome, Welcome ragstomorerags, we are so glad you joined us. The thoughts on this page(#113) alone make this thread so worthwhile. We have a wonderful community of Freddie and Queen fans and once you stay here for a while, you will feel the distinct, enduring bonds towards each other that we enjoy! |
Anniebee 06.02.2019 00:10 |
Thor, I agree with Rainbow, you and Lee have made this a very welcoming place and I’m so glad to meet everyone here! It’s a testament to the kind of friends you two were with Freddie. You’ve given us a place to be where we can love on Freddie like he deserves!:) ragstomorerags and others who are new, welcome! I think I missed a few, but I’m glad you’re here to share! |
Rainbow61 06.02.2019 00:23 |
Thor and Lee, You have told us about the clubs that you, Freddie and the guys liked to frequent. Was there ever an occasion where you decided to pop into some smaller bar in your neighborhood instead of hitting a big club, or would that have been far too sedate for Freddie? Trying to picture you guys shooting some pool or playing darts! LOL. |
Rainbow61 06.02.2019 00:53 |
Welcome ragstomorerags ! Spellbound.. that is how I feel whenever I watch Queen at Live Aid or Freddie singing "You Take My Breath Away" at Hyde Park...and so many other moments. |
Katydyd5 06.02.2019 01:09 |
Welcome Ragstomorerags! This is a great group of people you've found...……. |
mayqueen 06.02.2019 02:22 |
Whew! I feel a bit like I'm wading in at the tail end of things, but here I am! Not so much a newbie, but I had to take a limited hiatus from social media for a bit, and after many hours spent reading through the posts of both threads of Thor and Lee, I feel it was time well spent. I'm so struck by the warmth, friendship, and sense of comminity that has transpired through these conversations, with the exception of a few loons Who Shall Not Be Named (wth is wrong with people?!) that I had to wade in, albeit it very late to the party. Thanks to all of you for the (mostly - see the aforementioned Loons) wonderful posts. I've always loved Queen, and especially Freddie, not so much for the superstar (there is that), but for the stories of the warm, generous, funny, and very human man that he was. I remember skating to Another One Bites The Dust at the skating rink at 9 years old and going "WOW!!" and just HAD to badger my mom into buying me a couple albums and away I went. I do have questions, but those can wait. I just wanted to say a huge heartfelt thank you to the beautiful Thor and Lee for sharing their memories and stories and the interaction they've graciously had with everyone. For talking about Freddie the man and how speical he was in an honest and positive manner, and keeping his memory and spirit alive, as he is in our hearts. I've been especially interested in some of Thor's stories woking in the medical field myself. I'm rooting hard for the book project and finally found the gofundme link after digging like a Tolkien Dwarf. I'll be making use of that very soon! PS: Apologies the the long-winded post. And a Happy Birthday to Sweetandtenderhooligan! |
thundergod 06.02.2019 02:55 |
Thank you MayQueen and welcome to the thread. Just today, both threads have become equal at 113 pages. The original one was 147 when we left it. 32 pages were deleted. I believe these pages contained many of the worst, waste of time, trolling nonsense. We hope to hear from you when you can...you seem like OUR kind of people! |
Rainbow61 06.02.2019 03:24 |
Hello mayqueen and welcome to QZ. I think blenkolove’s description of this thread is perfect… a “For the Love of Freddie” quilt. So no one is at the tail end…just an important piece! |
Blenkolove 06.02.2019 03:32 |
A Great Big Welcome to ALL the new QZ followers!!! May I please add a few more showtune selections to the 'Oh how I wish Freddie had sung these' list???? #1......Seems like a no-brainer considering Freddie's love of these furbabies....Cats!!! Freddie singing Memory would be sublime!!!! And # 2, ANYTHING from Cabaret!!!!! I can So visualize our Freddie singing these songs!!!! Oh yeah....All that Jazz from Chicago too!!! |
thundergod 06.02.2019 03:38 |
Great Broadway selections Blenkolove! |
Rainbow61 06.02.2019 04:00 |
Blenkolove…nice choices… Can you imagine Freddie singing “You’ll Never Walk Alone”. That would be intense! Sob.... |
thundergod 06.02.2019 04:04 |
Good one Rainbow...I would love to hear that! |
DCQueenLuvr 06.02.2019 23:17 |
Freddienotfreddy wrote: Katydyd5, Mother Love kills me! When Brain comes on to sing the last verse and you know why he has to sing the last verse..OMG! It gets me every time! I know this thread is mostly about Freddie, but here are two more emotional moments from Roger Taylor and Brian May regarding Freddie.. link link |
ragstomorerags 06.02.2019 23:18 |
I apologize for this, I'm just doing a test. My last message didn't post, and I'm making sure I do this right before I try again. |
ragstomorerags 06.02.2019 23:29 |
Ok, I'll try this again. Thank you all for such a warm welcome. This is a refreshing, wonderful site, especially considering the troll cesspool that social media has become. I saw two videos that I thought were cute and hilarious, and wondered if you all had seen them yet. The first one was Freddie saving Brian from getting blown up by one of those onstage fireworks, as he wandered around all into playing his guitar. The second was Freddie saving young John from getting smashed with drums as Roger tore up his drum kit in a fit of rage at the end of a show. Obviously no one was hurt, and despite Freddie's antics onstage, he was very aware of everything around him. So we can add multitasker to this phenomenal man's qualities. |
Rainbow61 06.02.2019 23:43 |
Hi ragstomorerags, Do you happen to have the links to the videos you just referenced? |
ragstomorerags 06.02.2019 23:54 |
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ragstomorerags 06.02.2019 23:55 |
I will try to post the links, I'm having difficulty with regular posts lol I'll figure it out! |
ragstomorerags 06.02.2019 23:56 |
I will try to post the links, I'm having difficulty with regular posts lol I'll figure it out! |
ragstomorerags 06.02.2019 23:56 |
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ragstomorerags 06.02.2019 23:56 |
I'm having such difficulty with regular posts, bear with me. I'll figure it out! |
thundergod 06.02.2019 23:57 |
ragstomorerags, |
thundergod 07.02.2019 00:01 |
ragstomorerags, This happens to everyone at first. When you hit "post message" once, do not try to click a second time even if you think your message may not have gone through. It can take a while sometimes. I hope that helps. |
thundergod 07.02.2019 00:02 |
HaHa...it just happened to me by accident. |
ragstomorerags 07.02.2019 00:08 |
Freddie saves Brian link 1:06 Freddie saves John link |
ragstomorerags 07.02.2019 00:09 |
LOL Thank you Thor Patience is not one of my virtues, I will click and click! |
Rainbow61 07.02.2019 00:55 |
ragstomorerags. Thanks for the links...you are very observant...I'm not sure I would have noticed those things. |
mayqueen 07.02.2019 05:21 |
Thanks for the warm welcome to the thread. Rainbow, your mentioning blenkolove’s description of this thread as being a“For the Love of Freddie” quilt, and your comment of no one being at the tail end, they're just an important piece...what a truly beautiful sentiment, and it genuinely touches me. It's so true. The mentions of Freddie perhaps singing on Broadway, or partaking in some part, brings to mind for me things of say,the film, The Greatest Showman (not exactly the best example, but gives an idea) not necessarily a taxing nightly performance, but a run in a film in a singing role performing. Things today are so varied, and for someone of his immense talent, the possibilities seem limitless. I hear things occasionally and can't help but think what he could have done with a particular piece. A quick question to either Thor or Lee - there's no question of both Phoebe and Joe being wonderful cooks, but did any you crowd into the kitchen to dabble after your fun-filled excursions, or just collapse and grab what you could? Can't tell I skipped dinner tonight huh, food is very much on my mind! |
thundergod 07.02.2019 05:31 |
HaHa, MayQueen, Joe, Phoebe, and even Freddie himself would never have let us into the kitchen and destroy a perfectly good meal...LOL. He was quite pleased with Joe and Pheobe. |
mayqueen 07.02.2019 05:51 |
Thor, thank you for a much needed laugh. I may or may not have snorted at your reply. :) |
Rainbow61 07.02.2019 06:02 |
Freddie would be 72 years old now. He said in an ’86 interview “I know there will be a time when I cannot run around on stage because it would be ridiculous…there comes a time when you have to stop.”. He goes on to say there are other areas of music he would explore such as production or song writing and that the music side would always be in his life. I was wondering...do you think he would still be performing in Queen today? I’m not sure Freddie would be satisfied with himself if he couldn’t set the stage on fire running back and forth, but I would have been thrilled to see him perform even if he only sat on a stool or stood in front of a mic. Think of the final song he and Brian did at Live Aid. He was sitting for most of it and he was still absolutely MAGNETIC. Over the years, Freddie had moved away from playing the piano as much, so maybe he would have made that a larger part of the shows again? I think he had the charisma, talent, and force of personality to continue drawing crowds today. |
thundergod 07.02.2019 06:05 |
Amen, Rainbow! |
mayqueen 07.02.2019 06:32 |
Well stated Rainbow! He was absolutely enthralling to watch at any time, and to hold a crowd's undivided attention while simply sitting and singing, as you said, magnetic! He absolutely had everything to continue pulling crowds in today. His voice alone, what he could express, his phrasing, what he made us feel when he sang. There's just nothing like it. I can't help but think he would be doing something musically, it seemed so instinctual for him. I'd be tickled pink to see him perform in any way. As you said, on a stool, just standing there, whatever brought him joy and left him feeling fulfilled. |
Rainbow61 07.02.2019 07:30 |
mayqueen, I think Freddie would have had so many options…Queen, solo albums, remakes, collaborations, etc. His talent was not bound by age! I would have loved it all. On a food note: If you are interested in what Freddie liked to eat, I would highly recommend Peter Freestone’s book “Freddie Mercury’s Royal Recipes.” In addition to the many recipes and color pictures, there are great little stories and snippets (such as Freddie disliked cold vegetables and greens…only ate hot veggies) . It was fun to read (and I don’t cook…I just purchased it for the stories) Thor and Lee…you are even in some of the pictures that Peter includes in the beginning. The site that I ordered it through is down now…so I think orders are done through Facebook. The copy I got was even signed by Peter! |
Katydyd5 07.02.2019 13:00 |
Rainbow, though I already have the cookbook, I was looking for a place to purchase it for someone else and was unable to find anything. Where can you order it through FB? As Rainbow says, it is a fun book loaded with stories and recipes that look so tempting. My problem is I'm too lazy to Google the metric equivalents so that I can try some of them. Freddie's favorite cheese biscuits look really easy to make and one of these days I'll take the plunge. |
FreddieDarling 07.02.2019 13:46 |
Hi The recipe for Jer's cheese biscuits is also in Peter's second Freddie book The Afterlife. I have made them several times and they are delicious! I have just ordered a copy of Royal Recipe's from a seller on Amazon.co.uk. it is being shipped from Germany, but the main dispatch seems to be Czech Republic so I'm hoping that this (Apollo books) is the proper publisher and some proceeds are going to MPT. It cost £28.02 incl post and packing) I don't know if the seller sells to areas outside of Europe or what shipping costs would be. I'm hoping I hear new tales of our lovely Freddie. There are quite a few anecdotes about Freddie courtesy of both Peter and lovely Joe Fanelli in The Afterlife Of Freddie Mercury, too. Hoping I get to hear some new ones. I totally agree that Freddie exuded an absolutely hypnotic, magnetic presence. He draws the eye like a flame draws a moth. Amazing man. I think that without Freddie's magnetic charisma drawing all of our attention to him, that shy John Deacon would never have stuck it out for so long. I think he effectively sheltered behind Freddie's magical cloak of stage presence (if I'm making any sense?) Though Freddie was a shy boy, he was willing to present himself to us for those brief periods of time when he was performing. Hope everyone has had a good week. Freddie Hugs to you all |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 07.02.2019 17:57 |
I believe you can order the book through Phoebe's section on Freddie Mercury.com |
Katydyd5 07.02.2019 18:05 |
I checked there Sweet, but I don't see it. Since I have my copy it's not critical for me to locate an outlet for purchasing the cookbook, but I was curious if anyone knew of a place. There was a huge discussion on FB one night, but no one could find anything. |
Rainbow61 07.02.2019 21:35 |
FreddieDarling and Sweet, Those are good leads for anyone interested. I checked the freddiemercury.com site, but couldn't find the book there either. However, that would be the logical place to look, so maybe in the future, they will sell it or provide a link to a site where you can order it. I definitely like the idea that some of the profits go to the MPT. Out of curiosity, I looked up the book on the amazon.co.uk site as well to see if they delivered to the US. When I put in my address it stated "The item cannot be sent to your selected address." I'm glad I got mine when I did (back in December 2017). With the renewed interest in Freddie, I bet they try to resolve the shipping issues as soon as possible. I was given a choice of getting my book with or without Peter's signature. I thought the inscribed book would cost more, but the price was the same. Seemed like a no-brainer. |
FreddieDarling 07.02.2019 23:37 |
Regarding the Freddie Mercury Royal Recipe Book, for anyone outside of Europe it's worthwhile contacting the seller via Amazon to ask if they would be willing to sell a copy to an address outside of Europe for extra cost (depending how eager you are to obtain a copy!) When I needed to buy Brassica tea for my brother-in-law who had liver cancer and it was only available from a company in Baltimore, I got the same automatic response that they were unable to post to my best address, but after I contacted the company within 20 minutes they had enabled me to buy the tea bags (at additional shipping costs) from them . Worth considering if you're really eager to get a copy. My copy is now dispatched and in transit! ?? I'm addicted to anything Freddie! |
FreddieDarling 07.02.2019 23:43 |
BTW I read that the reason that the Freddie Mercury website stopped selling them was that the was quite a history of the courier they selected failing to deliver books ordered. They said they were planning to rectify the problem and planned to try to sell via Amazon, so maybe that is why I was able to get my copy that way. I cannot imagine that they will not roll out this option in the U.S. etc. as well. Apparently my copy is being couriered by Hermes (ironic really as Hermes is the Greek equivalent of the Roman God Mercury! How apt !) |
Jo T. 08.02.2019 01:19 |
ragstomorerags wrote: |
thundergod 08.02.2019 01:45 |
I would say that Freddie was a 20% introvert and an 80% extrovert. Among the people he knows and likes, he was 100% extrovert. Among mostly strangers, that other 20% could show, but then again, not always. |
sammyfrankfreddie96 08.02.2019 03:02 |
With all the talk of Freddie singing Broadway music, it made me think of something else I wish happened--a meeting between him and Sammy Davis Jr. Can you imagine the two of them in their performing prime trying to one-up each other onstage? And both of them the absolute best in their respective musical fields. And then trying to sing each other's songs, what a great time that would have been! I know Freddie knew Liza Minelli to an extent, I wonder if such a meeting ever took place, albeit briefly? One funny thing in talking about Freddie and Sammy is that they were both amazingly similar with their awareness of the condition of their singing voices. When Sammy's voice wasn't working he constantly changed notes and melodies in the moment without a thought in the exact same way Freddie does on the nights his voice isn't working so hot. You REALLY gotta be on your toes to just come up with a new melody in the moment! I have always rated all singers, whether they be rock singer-Broadway singer-crooner etc. on the same scale. Freddie, for me, is in the top 5 favorite singers with Sinatra, Sammy etc. He brings the same care of feeling and emotion to a song and is really the only rock singer I've heard move me with lyrics the way Sinatra and Sammy do, which is why I was so drawn to him to begin with! Just a random musing. I know some people scoff at those who came to Queen simply because of Freddie, but for me he really is what drove me to the group, and it was those reasons! Not just the voice itself, but the phrasing, the feeling, the emotion...it just grabs you in a way very few gifted singers do. Everyone always talks about "the amazing voice" with Freddie, but I think on a subconscious level the reason we all hold Freddie as the gold standard of rock vocalists is just how much he brought to his singing of a lyric...you always felt what he was singing. Not everyone has that, and I certainly don't always hear it in the very little rock I listen to. Okay! Rambling over. Sorry haha. |
FreddieDarling 08.02.2019 11:38 |
Sammyfrankfreddie! Amen! I agree absolutely! (your pseudonym gives us a clue as to your musical heroes) BTW Re Freddie saying both Brian and John from incidences on stage Pete "Ratty" Hince said in his book how Freddie was always aware of everything on stage, i.e. where the mic chord was and stepping over it, and not getting it tangled (pre Magic Tour they didn't use radio mics) and that Brian was always oblivious to all that and just sunk into his playing, and cues from band mates and had tunnel vision regarding the hardware, so Freddie also had to keep his chords and Brian's chords from getting tangled up ! Yes! A brilliant multi-tasker! All this while performing his little heart out! Hope we all have a great weekend! It's howling a gale and tiddling down with rain here in England! |
FreddieDarling 08.02.2019 19:32 |
Hi Folks If anyone wants to check out the link below they will see one of my latest Freddie indulgences! Do you all know about the Neca 18" Singing Freddie figure that was brought out in 2006 ? They are commanding a hell of a price now, but last week I got very lucky on eBay! I'd been looking for an affordable one, and a couple of days before I was out bid for another one (I bid £67) and this lovely chap appeared 2 days later as a new listing. Opening bids of £29.99 plus £2.95 post and packing and a Make An Offer option. He was listed as "fair" condition, and has no mic, and they said no sound. They had tried batteries in him but he only buzzed. I offered £37 plus p&p and they accepted. I received him on Sunday (via Hermes again!) I tried batteries in him and off he sang like an Angel! Guess he had a sore throat, or just didn't like the previous audience! Anyhow, he sings beautifully for me and I'm chuffed with him! What a bargain! There's another one, no mic and in not as good condition priced at £149.99 ! It was destiny that he came to me! :-) Hope you all love him........ link |
Blenkolove 08.02.2019 20:49 |
OMG....Freddiedarling!!!!! HE IS AMAZING!!!! YOU ARE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM.....AND AT SUCH A GREAT PRICE!!! CHERISH HIM!!! YOU MADE A 'DARK DAY A LITTLE BRIGHTER FOR ME!!!!! THANK YOU X O |
FreddieDarling 08.02.2019 22:50 |
Thank you Blenkolove, my dear! Glad you like him, he's a doll in more ways than one. I give him a hug and a peck on those dimpled cheeks every night! I cherish him! He's great buddies with my tailor made Freddie! :-) Hope your days get brighter soon, my friend! Hope we all have a nice, relaxing weekend full of love. I'm off shopping tomorrow and then to my favourite Tanzanian/Zanzibari coffee house for an East African Coffee and a Mandazi (African Doughnut!) The coffee shop is called Karibu but after I told my sister Freddie hailed from Tanzania(Zanzibar) she re-Christened it Freddie's,- so it's off to Freddie's we go! :-D !! Bye Folks! |
Blenkolove 08.02.2019 23:37 |
Freddiedarling, Give your Freddie dolls a peck on the cheek from me!! Oh how I wish I could jump into a transporter and meet you and your sister at 'Freddie's'for a DELISH cup of East African roast! Maybe One Day Someday!!! We have Starbucks and McCafe galore but not too many independent coffee houses here. I may set out tomorrow in search of a 'Freddie's ' style cafe of my own!!! Fresh hot coffee is one of my Favorite things on this planet!! (It's Right up there with Freddie/Queen, Andy Garcia, My grands, Animals, Good Movies/Stories and Amazing Friends!!!!) Enjoy your day with your Sister.....you are fortunate to have one another!!! Ttfn |
FreddieDarling 08.02.2019 23:56 |
Blenkolove, I'd love to share my lovely Freddie's coffee house with you! They make the most delectable strong rich coffee (I drink strong black, unsweetened Americano) Yes I am very very fortunate to have my sister. She is my best friend and my soul mate, something which I tell her regularly. If you've never tried warm freshly baked Mandazi you're missing out on a treat! They are subtly flavoured with cardamom and are delicious. Wonder if Freddie's lovely Mom ever made them? The Tanzanian family who run the business are lovely. They are of a seemingly similar ethnic type as our lovely Freddie, too. They have a lovely East African theme running throughout their coffee shop. I love a cup of tea, too. Strong "builders tea" preferably Yorshire Tea, or Nambarrie.(both tea brands) We have Starbucks, Costa, Pret a Manger, Cafe Nero etc etc etc everywhere in my city (Britain's second city!),too but I too prefer indie traders. Take Care all. |
Katydyd5 09.02.2019 00:55 |
FreddieDarling, I love the doll! I've never bought from eBay, and I'm almost afraid to look to see what Freddie merch they have. |
mayqueen 09.02.2019 03:18 |
FreddieDarling that doll is simply adorable! It made my day and brought a huge smile to my face. Regarding the recipe book, there is a Facebook page, "Freddie Mercury's Royal Recipes" that Phoebe directed me to. I spoke with Michaela there and she said "we need a little time more to finish all IT services and links to put our international e-shop in order again. We had to change shipping company and we are hard working on it every day. I hope next week e-shop will be ready to start sell book in US as well" ... so hopefully, soon on that. I do like to cook, and love to bake, so quite looking forward to it. |
Rainbow61 09.02.2019 07:53 |
Thor and Lee, Did you know Freddie was involved with Jim Hutton before you went to England for the Wembley show, or did you find out once you got there? Do you recall how Freddie introduced Jim to you? Did he refer to him as his boyfriend or partner…or was it just obvious that they were in a relationship and nothing had to be said? |
FreddieDarling 09.02.2019 07:54 |
BTW, 2 errors in my last post! I meant to type MADE not BAKED, as Mandazi are fried not baked. YorKshire Tea, NOT Yorshire Tea! Doh!!!! My messages are always full of typos ! I do try to remember to proof read before posting, and spelling and grammar errors are real hackle raisers for me, but somehow or other some always slip through the net! ?? Sorry! |
FreddieDarling 09.02.2019 07:58 |
Damn! Did it again! AS spelling and grammar...., NOT "and" ! And I forgot the no emoticon rule! I'm just a hopeless case!!!! |
stevendabudgie 09.02.2019 11:26 |
@FreddieDarling @Blenkolove this seems to be the same doll :D link |
Blenkolove 09.02.2019 17:00 |
Stevendabudgie...... Once Again...........Priceless!! TY Keep 'em coming!! |
Rainbow61 09.02.2019 18:26 |
stevendabudgie, So cute...If that doesn't make a person smile, nothing will! I hope you have more of those to share. Even the animal world loves Freddie! FreddieDarling, Don't worry about the typos...we've all done that. To be honest, most of the time I don't really notice typos (unless the original writer points them out). Usually they don't change the meaning of a sentence. I think my brain just naturally auto-corrects. We, the QueenZone posters far and wide, should just agree that EVERYONE makes mistakes on occasion, and so in the spirit of being human, let this suffice as a one-time blanket apology that covers all of us for any errors of spelling, grammar, and syntax that we will make now and in the future for the duration of this thread! :) Lastly...All of you for whom English is not your first language, kudos to you for sharing on QueenZone. I wish I could write in a second language. I am SO impressed when you do so. I hope many more of you join us. We certainly don't mind if your English is developing...we will figure it out. So if any of you have held back for that reason...please join in the fun! |
FreddieDarling 09.02.2019 19:17 |
Stevendabudgie: LOVE that cockatiel! Isn't it a clever little bird? Bless it. If that bird isn't called Freddie then there is no justice! Thanks for the link ! I've downloaded the little feller. |
thundergod 09.02.2019 21:17 |
Hey Rainbow, Jim Hutton was a bit shy among new people, but Freddie did introduce us to him with a great amount of pride. I believe he said something like, "this is my new husband, girls." |
thundergod 09.02.2019 21:23 |
Ha Ha Stevendabudgie, Is that a "budgie" on Freddie's arm. Do you own that doll? |
Katydyd5 10.02.2019 01:16 |
Thor, thanks for sharing the story of your introduction to Jim. I like knowing that Freddie was proud to share him with you. It seems like he really had found what he had been looking for in Jim. |
ragstomorerags 10.02.2019 07:12 |
So glad you enjoyed them! The drum incident is very hard to see, I feel like that one would be even more dramatic! After I took up a page with the same comment, I went back to reading. :D |
stevendabudgie 10.02.2019 17:55 |
@Thundergod Unfortunately it's not my doll. And budgies and cockatiels are different species :D link |
spiralstatic 10.02.2019 21:07 |
thundergod wrote: Hey there, spiralstatic, OMG, a recording of Freddie playing "Send in the Clowns" on the piano...I was stunned, now learning that 1/2 of my dream had actually come true. I wish he would have sung as well, but hey, just to know that Freddie liked that song enough to play it and play it so beautifully, leaves me happily content! Thank you so much for sharing that spiralstatic.I'm a little late on my return, but it's really moving isn't it. I don't know whether Freddie liked the song. I have heard about the recording that he learned the piano part and played it for Jim Hutton as Jim loved the song. :) I'm just glad I was able to bring a clip that was a new discovery for you. :) Of course it would be lovely to hear Freddie sing it too, but we can imagine and the piano is really beautiful and sensitively played I think. Rainbow61 wrote: Freddie would be 72 years old now. He said in an ’86 interview “I know there will be a time when I cannot run around on stage because it would be ridiculous…there comes a time when you have to stop.”. He goes on to say there are other areas of music he would explore such as production or song writing and that the music side would always be in his life. I was wondering...do you think he would still be performing in Queen today? I’m not sure Freddie would be satisfied with himself if he couldn’t set the stage on fire running back and forth, but I would have been thrilled to see him perform even if he only sat on a stool or stood in front of a mic. Think of the final song he and Brian did at Live Aid. He was sitting for most of it and he was still absolutely MAGNETIC. Over the years, Freddie had moved away from playing the piano as much, so maybe he would have made that a larger part of the shows again? I think he had the charisma, talent, and force of personality to continue drawing crowds today.Oh Rainbow61 you make me so sad! I adore Freddie's piano playing. Unfortunately for me, I'm too young to have seen Queen live and so I only discovered Queen after Freddie was no longer with us, but when I listen to their music, I really miss it when Freddie begins to use the piano less and less. To imagine that in later years he might have begun to use piano more and more again makes me feel an ache in my heart - imagining that I could have seen him make music live, and not only that - but playing piano himself too! Oh just imagine what he might have written, but more than that even if he hadn't written a single other note I'd love to imagine him just here in 2018. It's such a different world I think now to 1991. Well I imagine might have liked that in some ways and not in others?! Anyway, it is a sorry path to begin thinking along this route. I am sure Freddie would always have continued to be creative. I can't imagine him being happy playing music from long ago and I see him moving on to new things. I hope Queen would have continued to create new music. But I can imagine them spending a lot more time on their individual interests too. Given what Freddie was doing with Montserrat Caballé, I wonder whether he might have written a full opera of his own one day (maybe incorporating dance or rock too or maybe straight opera.) I think of someone like Rufus Wainwright who has now written two operas.... but I imagine Freddie maybe paving the way much earlier. I can just imagine him all dressed up, going in to watch his first opera... But maybe he would have created something entirely new none of us can remotely conceive of. Probably he would have.... sigh.... |
sammyfrankfreddie96 10.02.2019 21:14 |
I love how this is both a Q&A thread and just a "General Freddie Gushing" threat, its marvelous. I must admit this also seems to be the only fully friendly thread on the whole website...the atmosphere is very kind! I love it :) Freddie introduced me to so many amazing new pieces of music. I'm a musical theatre performer and don't have even a remotely rock voice or Freddie range but I've attempted a couple Freddie Mercury and Queen covers...I've wanted to try sharing them on the forum but am afraid they'd get torn to shreds. I figured maybe the people here might be more forgiving so I'll just drop them here and hope for the best...so if anyone has ever been curious what these songs sound like sung by a classic-trained theatre singer: -Who Wants to Live Forever? (the "and we can LOOOOVE forever" is clearly a bit high for me, sorry about that take) link -The Great Pretender link -The Show Must Go On link Constructive feedback is very welcomed by fellow Freddie fans! Some more Freddie gushing: "Who Wants to Live Forever?" has definitely become my favorite Queen song and one of my favorite songs ever written. There's a genius moment in the song we all know but I just wanted to gush about. The "and we can LOOOOVE forever", where Freddie hits the D5. On the surface it seems like its written to add an impressive high note. But it does so much more. To me, it takes an incredibly important line in the song, and adds a huge, extra emotional punch to the word "LOVE" to help put across the emotional intensity of the song and the line. That is always the line in the song that, if I'm gonna cry at the song, makes me cry because of just how big a punch that high note adds to the emotional depth of the song. Its a damn impressive note, but its the emotional feeling the note adds that makes the note important to the melody line, and it truly wouldn't be the same song without it. RAMBLING AGAIN, sorry haha |
Blenkolove 10.02.2019 22:40 |
WOW!!! Sammyfrankfreddie, You are very brave to put yourself out there like that.....but this is a very kind QZ community.....and I'm glad that you felt comfortable enough to share these covers with us!!!!! I listened to all the covers of Freddie you put on YT. The Show must Go On and Who Wants to Live Forever BOTH gave me goose bumps!!!! REALLY Well done!!!! ......Please don't take this the wrong way, and maybe you have heard it before, but I detect a wee bit of Adam Lambert in your voice. I think Adam is Fabulous!!!!!! Send more links to your covers.....You have a Beautiful voice!! Thank You for sharing!!! |
spiralstatic 10.02.2019 23:23 |
sammyfrankfreddie96 wrote: I love how this is both a Q&A thread and just a "General Freddie Gushing" threat, its marvelous. I must admit this also seems to be the only fully friendly thread on the whole website...the atmosphere is very kind! I love it :) Freddie introduced me to so many amazing new pieces of music. I'm a musical theatre performer and don't have even a remotely rock voice or Freddie range but I've attempted a couple Freddie Mercury and Queen covers...I've wanted to try sharing them on the forum but am afraid they'd get torn to shreds. I figured maybe the people here might be more forgiving so I'll just drop them here and hope for the best...so if anyone has ever been curious what these songs sound like sung by a classic-trained theatre singer: -Who Wants to Live Forever? (the "and we can LOOOOVE forever" is clearly a bit high for me, sorry about that take) link -The Great Pretender link -The Show Must Go On link Constructive feedback is very welcomed by fellow Freddie fans! Some more Freddie gushing: "Who Wants to Live Forever?" has definitely become my favorite Queen song and one of my favorite songs ever written. There's a genius moment in the song we all know but I just wanted to gush about. The "and we can LOOOOVE forever", where Freddie hits the D5. On the surface it seems like its written to add an impressive high note. But it does so much more. To me, it takes an incredibly important line in the song, and adds a huge, extra emotional punch to the word "LOVE" to help put across the emotional intensity of the song and the line. That is always the line in the song that, if I'm gonna cry at the song, makes me cry because of just how big a punch that high note adds to the emotional depth of the song. Its a damn impressive note, but its the emotional feeling the note adds that makes the note important to the melody line, and it truly wouldn't be the same song without it. RAMBLING AGAIN, sorry hahaBrady, these are so beautiful. There's so much emotion in your singing. I feel your voice suits Who Wants to Live Forever especially well. And it has to be said, that as Freddie fans, we're surely your harshest critics and hardest audience. Your version of Who Wants to Live Forever actually brought tears to my eyes at the start of it! Really moved me. Thank you so much for sharing it. And I enjoyed hearing the other songs too, which you sang wonderfully. Wonderfully impressive in the middle/second half of The Great Pretender I must say too! Just saying that I especially loved your version of Who Wants to Live Forever. I know entirely what you mean about the forum, though I can't believe that you'd worry anyone would be mean about someone with a beautiful & emotive voice such as yours. I certainly hope they wouldn't. OK, I'm now going to listen to Freddie sing Who Wants to Live Forever, bearing the beautiful words you had to say about it and the meaning you feel in how he sings that climactic "love". :) |
Jo T. 11.02.2019 01:32 |
Bravo, Brady Love! As Paula Abdul of "American Idol" used to remark, "You took the song and made it your own." "The Show Must Go On" and "Who Wants to Live Forever" are in my personal Top 10 Queen songs. Do you take requests? How about Deaky's "Spread Your Wings?" LOL |
Katydyd5 11.02.2019 02:35 |
I applaud you Sammy for putting yourself out there on a QZ forum. I, too, enjoyed all three covers, though I'm going to be the first to say "The Great Pretender" was my favorite. I smiled all the way through because you sounded like you were having fun too. "The Show Must Go On" is so powerful, and you conveyed the power wonderfully. "Who Wants To Live Forever" is a personal favorite and your voice enabled me to hear your love for the lyrics too. Very nice!! It was a pleasure to hear you pour your heart into these songs. I have to be honest and tell you I checked out your site since you used your real name and have marked it to take a closer look later. You have an impressive body of work, playing many characters familiar to me. I admire you for following your dream! (I'm editing this post to tell you that I just went and listened to "Bring Him Home" on your site. It was incredibly beautiful) |
Katydyd5 11.02.2019 02:45 |
Congratulations to Rami Malek for his Best Actor BAFTA award!! One more to go! Congratulations also to Bohemian Rhapsody for the Sound award. Seeing Brian and Roger in the audience showing such joy and pride makes me wish yet again that Freddie could have been there and experienced this too. He would have loved it! |
Freddienotfreddy 11.02.2019 11:26 |
Welcome SammyFrankFreddie96, In peter Freestone's second book he tells a story of Freddie inviting Liza Minelli to Garden Lodge. Becuse he was nervous, he also invited Peter Straker. Peter then says that Freddie got mad at Peter Straker for dominating the conversation and that was one of the reasons Freddie cut Straker out during the last year of his life. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 11.02.2019 17:30 |
Hi All. I’m sending out another “thank you all so much” for the kind words of support and enthusiasm. The tone of the blog is so inviting. SammyFrankFreddie referred to it as “a kind atmosphere”, AND he likes Musicl Theatre? I’m in !!! SFF96, I am also looking forward to hear you perform a queen song. I am classically trained as well, but would never attempt to sing Queen except in the car or the shower. HA! Rainbow-I think Thor nailed it when he quoted what Freddie said when introducing Jim that first time. He MIGHT have told us over the phone before we got there, but that was a long time ago. Was it SpiralStatic that asked if Freddie had created anything on the classical side. The Barcelona album gave us a rock and opera hybrid that wasn’t really A rock opera, but I loved it, and so did Ms Caballe. Who asked about the cast of characters in that al fresco dinner video? I can’t find the question now. Ask again, please. I just watched it for the first time in a while the other day. I SO clearly remember that day. It’s fun that it was taped. I wish there were more of those tapes. Mary Queen- on several occasions we all would sit around the table in the kitchen. Freddie had a tv area in the main room of the first floor where he spent a lot of time, but it wasn’t unusual for him to be at the table with us in the kitchen. Phoebe and Joe were always busy with something in there, and I vaguely remember helping cut vegetables. Being Italian and in the Food Service industry so long, just sitting and watching wasn’t an option. As I mentioned before, Freddie himself planned wonderful dinners for us when we were there in 1991, beautifully executed by Joe and Phoebe. Freddie would send us off in the morning to “do” the streets of London, and would have dinner waiting for us when we got home from our trek through the city. He was too tired to join us, unfortunately, but was always “up” and fun during dinner. He DID take us out to lunch one day. I wish I could remember where we went. We snuck him out through the front door of the Mews where we were camped so as to try and fool the paparazzi who were always lying in wait. I think we did a good job, because I don’t believe we were followed. A funny thing happened at the table with the waitress. She thought she needed to tell him that “fromage” meant cheese. He was very polite to her, but when she walked away...OMG We certainly laughed at his reaction. Phoebe’s cook book! I totally forgot about that. I HAVE to get a copy. Maybe we can serve a Freddie snack at our book signings. LOL Phoebe will be calling us this weekend when Thor once again descends on the desert, and i’ll make a note to ask him where we can get the book. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 11.02.2019 19:08 |
"this is my new husband, girls I just fell over, because that's the cutest thing. Thank you for sharing! |
sammyfrankfreddie96 11.02.2019 19:47 |
WOW! I wasn't expecting such positive feedback on my Freddie/Queen covers...thank ALL of you so much for listening and your feedback! It made so unbelievably happy to have Queen fans genuinely enjoy them...thank you all so so much. Truly it means a lot. And oh goodness the thought of Lee giving them a listen! I really hope you enjoy them too!! :D Also just a couple specific replies: @Blenkolove, I don't take the Lambert comparison wrong at all, it isn't surprising to hear you say that as Adam and I both come from a theatrical background and not a rock background so we have similar vocal technique :) And to @Katydyd5, I'm incredibly flattered you checked out my website! I hope you like what you see. There's some old material on there from before I received formal vocal training, so my apologies for when you find that stuff haha :P Again thanks to everyone who listened and gave their feedback!!! |
thundergod 11.02.2019 20:34 |
Stevendabudgie, Sorry that I got budgies and cockatiels mixed up. When I tried to educate myself with your thoughtful video, I tried very hard but it would not come up after 4-5 tries. I know from previous posts that you equate budgies to our American version, where we call them "parakeets". I really should have known the difference as the cockatiel is much larger than a budgie and with many different features. |
thundergod 11.02.2019 20:42 |
Hi SammyFF (Brady Love), I was thrilled to hear your wonderful vocals on a fine selection of Freddie's music. "Who Wants to Live Forever" stirred up plenty of emotions in me. The other two were completely enjoyable to listen to as well. Thank you, my friend, for sharing these covers with all of us.Well done! |
thundergod 11.02.2019 21:02 |
Freddienotfreddy, I can absolutely see why Peter Straker could be so wickedly annoying in trying to dominate the conversation with Liza. Every time I met him, he always pulled that same act. I said already, somewhere on this thread, that Peter Straker always came off as the "star in his own mind" and you could easily tell that he fancied himself somewhat equal to Freddie in talent, wit and cleverness. ...Nonsense! |
Katydyd5 11.02.2019 21:08 |
Lee, I asked you the question about the al fresco Garden Lodge film. I noticed that you said something that made Freddie burst into laughter and he immediately covered his mouth. I knew he did that when in public, but I was kind of surprised to see him to that at home. Did he often cover his mouth around you guys? Was it that much of a habit that it was natural even among close friends? Did he ever just throw his head back and let loose with a laugh? One other question that someone else asked me in PM. We can see Joe Fanelli filming the group, but someone is behind him also filming. Do you remember who that was? |
Katydyd5 11.02.2019 21:23 |
Thor, there is a long tape on YouTube of Freddie, Peter Straker , Mike Moran and a few others spending an evening singing at Freddie's home. Mike would play requests and Freddie and Straker would sing. It's kind of silly because there had obviously been a lot of drinking going on, but it is also fun to listen because they are having such a good time. One song that comes to mind was "Summertime" from Porgy and Bess, and they also did "I Could Have Danced All Night", plus others. You have to work sometimes to hear Freddie though because Straker is so loud and seems to be trying to dominate the songs. I often wonder what Freddie enjoyed about him, but it's clear from all the pictures, videos, etc. that he did consider him a close friend. I find him pretty hard to take. |
Katydyd5 11.02.2019 21:28 |
Lee, your description of your last visit with Freddie warms my heart. Such a thoughtful man and I'm so glad that though he may not have been able to go around with you during the day, he was able to enjoy the evenings with you. You must get a copy of Phoebe's cookbook. You guys are in a lot of the photos! Phoebe also lists some of the menus that Freddie liked to serve at his dinner parties along with the recipes for a lot of the food. You'll have to see if you recognize anything!! |
thundergod 11.02.2019 22:40 |
Very Interesting Katydyd, I know that Freddie considered Straker a friend, I think because of his often entertaining conversations, however dominating of the conversation that they were. I think perhaps, in that last year Freddie finally took the step of sorting out who were real friends and who were hangers-on. Jim Hutton, Mary Austin Dave Clark, Phoebe, Joe Fanelli and even Lee and I, were considered real friends in 1991. My apologies to any "real friends" who I did not meet and therefore did not have any firsthand knowledge of the sincerity of their individual relationship with Freddie. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 11.02.2019 22:49 |
Thor- I'm totally not surprised Freddie included you and Lee in his final group of friends. He knew you two truly cared for him as a person and not as a rock star. I know Jim alluded to Peter showing up at a lunch drunk and causing a scene about Freddie's health. I can see why he cut him off. |
FreddieDarling 11.02.2019 23:36 |
sammyfrankfreddie! OMG! You have an amazing talent, my friend! What a fabulous voice you have. You were so brave to attempt (and you totally did justice to it!) The Show Must Go On. This seems to be such a challenging song to sing. For me, your version is far better than that attempted by Elton and Alfie Boe. My favourite was The Great Pretender. I don't know why, it just touched me, the way you sang it. This song when I listen to Freddie's version is bitter-sweet. It makes me smile with the joyfulness of the melody and Freddie's exuberant performance, but it makes me sad to think that Freddie, or indeed any of us, can often not feel that he/we have the freedom to really be ourselves, and not have to present a more "acceptable" us to the world. Thank you, SFF96 great sharing your immense talent with us! Would love to hear you sing Somebody To Love. The only person I've ever heard sing it with anything like Freddie's great talent is George Michael, but I have a feeling that you would totally nail it! P.S. adored your rendition of WWTLF, too! |
thundergod 11.02.2019 23:46 |
Freddiedarling, |
thundergod 11.02.2019 23:48 |
Oops, Freddiedarling have you seen/heard this version of "Somebody to Love" by Jordan Smith winner of 2015s The Voice? link |
FreddieDarling 11.02.2019 23:51 |
I too love that Garden Lodge tapes. Wow it'll be 31 years ago (almost) at the end of the month as it was taped on February 29th 1988.(1988 was a leap year!) Brian was there for awhile, too. I love this tape so much, we even get to hear Freddie sneeze. Bless you, Freddie! I agree that Peter was a lime-light hogger. Even when he attended a lecture about Freddie as a guest speaker, with Peter Freestone and Mike Moran, in Montreux, at the end when Phoebe was giving his heartfelt appraisal of Freddie as the best, most generous, kind and loyal friend a person could have he was piping in, rudely shouting over Phoebe, about how Freddie was also "impossible"! I wanted to shout, "shut up and let Freddie's _real_ best friend talk to us! He also went through his pretence of not wanting to perform his Brel songs, before launching into a medley of them at the top of his voice! Personally I'd find him very wearing and can quite understand that with his strength and stamina waning Freddie felt he could no longer keep up toward the end of his life. I don't dislike Peter Straker per se, but feel he's rather like Belgian chocolate. A little goes a very long way! |
FreddieDarling 11.02.2019 23:53 |
No, Thor I haven't but I definitely will. Thank you for the link. :-) |
FreddieDarling 12.02.2019 00:05 |
Whoeee! That Boy can SING! Do you know if he is out performing professionally now? I hope so, it'd be a single for that voice not to be heard. He sung it with such passion and eloquence. Thanks for sharing! |
Blenkolove 12.02.2019 00:17 |
Holy WOW!!!! That Jordan Smith has a Set of pipes on him!!!! An Amazing falsetto......i think he was channelling some Aretha too!!! Thanks for the link!! |
sammyfrankfreddie96 12.02.2019 02:12 |
@thundergod: Oh my GOODNESS thank you SO much for listening! It means the world to me that a close friend of Freddie would take time to listen, and even moreso that you had such kind words to say afterward. Thank you thank you thank you! This made my night :D @FreddieDarling: Thank you SO much for your kind words as well! :D You and I feel the same way about the lyrics of "The Great Pretender" and that was indeed a big reason I wanted to give the song a try. So glad you enjoyed it :) ...so I actually DID record "Somebody to Love" about a week ago after a friend had requested it on FaceBook...you can see it here: link I hope you enjoy it! I was nervous about how I sounded on this one, stylistically a little out of my usual comfort zone, I sincerely hope you'll enjoy it though! :) |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.02.2019 02:15 |
I thought that garden party was after the Wembley concerts. Maybe it took until 88 to get them on you tube? We weren’t there in 88. Was one of YOUR trips in 88 Thor? The cast of characters was Freddie, Jim (in the red shorts), and Joe taking photos. It must have been Phoebe filming. I have a feeling the joke I made that cracked him up might have had something to do with his expectoration by the flower bed. It would be just like me to ask him if he coughed up a long or something. That would crack him up. I have seen, in a couple of photos and videos, him breaking up laughing and then putting his hand to his mouth. I never saw it as a sign of self consciousness. Of course Thor, Brandon, and I were there, all dressed in white. We must have made quite an entrance from the house. Where did we think we were going, a freaking cotillion? I forgot about the blanket we had layed out, perhaps to catch the sun. It was a typical sunless day in a London as you can tell. It was fun spending time with Jim that day, as he was not around all the time, which we’ve talked about before here. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 12.02.2019 02:17 |
...sorry. That was meant to be coughed up a LUNG, not long. LOL |
Katydyd5 12.02.2019 03:08 |
"Freaking cotillion"! LOL, Lee. I think the thing that strikes me is how tall you and Thor appear to be. I know Freddie was not tall, but you guys both look well over 6 feet. Are you? Do you know who put the videos on YouTube? I've always been curious about that. BTW, I sure hope Freddie wasn't coughing up any lungs, but the smoking can't have been good. It never looks like he actually inhales though. |
Rainbow61 12.02.2019 05:30 |
sammyfrankfreddie96, Thank you so much for sharing your songs with us. It is always a pleasure to listen to someone sing from the heart. I found your rendition of “Who Wants To Live Forever” especially moving. The way you talked about Freddie singing that song and the emotion your find in his high notes conveys your deep respect for him. It was quite interesting to read your comments from your performer's perspective. I’m glad you were able to turn your joy of music into a career. I also went to your website....The tribute to your Grandfather was BEAUTIFUL!!! |
ForFreddie 12.02.2019 05:37 |
I saw, "Freddie Mercury, the great pretender," on REELZ, more than one person said Freddie and that Barbara woman did have a sexual relationship....I forget who, but, I'm sure someone here had said, they didn't... there's too much to go back and re-read. |
Rainbow61 12.02.2019 06:04 |
Lee, Being a classically trained singer yourself, what Freddie songs especially impress you...ones that you think are particularly difficult to sing? I listen to Queen music every day while driving to and from work. I sing along to everything...quite poorly I might add...but I do sing with gusto! Oh...in my mind, I am also playing guitar just like Brian. |
FreddieDarling 12.02.2019 10:01 |
Sammyfrankfreddie! Another amazing rendition of another wonderful song. You, my friend are seriously talented. This seems to me, to not be an easy song to sing with its intricate melody and pitch changes, and the sheer passion needed to sing it well, but, as I suspected from the previous 3 songs you linked us to, you sang it to perfection! Freddie would be proud that he was your backing singer on this! :-) As Mike Moran has said, Freddie sang backing vocals like an Angel, and there was nobody better! He backs up your rendition of his favour song like the Angel he is! You'd have done wonderful duets with the great man! Thank you! |
koala 12.02.2019 15:40 |
Hi everyone! I found this thread a few days ago (as well as the first one) and have been glued to the computer almost non-stop since. I thought it was finally time to stop lurking and at least say hello. I can’t express how cool it is of Thor and Lee to share their memories with Freddie here. Thank you guys, it’s been an absolutely thrilling read! A little bit about me: I’ve been a huge Queen (and Freddie, in particular) fan ever since I found several of their records in my parents’ collection as a kid. In fact, I first discovered and registered on QZ when I was about 12 (27 now. No idea what my original username was, though lol.). I was completely obsessed for ages, but eventually moved on. Then, 2-3 years ago I caught the bug again and am back devouring everything Queen and Freddie related I can get my hands on. It would seem that once caught, the Queen fever never leaves you lol. Anyway, that’s enough of my waffling. Thor and Lee, best of luck finding a publisher for the book (would love to read it)! I’m looking forward to continuing to read this thread and maybe even posting in it occasionally as well. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.02.2019 17:39 |
ForFreddie: that movie is such a load of garbage. The only person to say Barbara slept with Freddie was Barbara, and it's been debunked by EVERYONE, including her own daughter. She also said he was violent with her, so I don't really believe what that woman had to say |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.02.2019 17:43 |
Kathleen, You all looked gorgeous in the Garden video. I love how he was laughing and you all looked so happy! |
ForFreddie 12.02.2019 19:31 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan: a couple of people, not just Barbara say she and Freddie had a sexual relationship.... people who were in Freddie's life and, actually knew him. |
FreddieDarling 12.02.2019 19:43 |
Welcome to you Koala! This is indeed a great thread and enrichedd for having Thor and Lee share their memories of their times with our lovely Freddie. I hope you will continue to enjoy the thread and participate enever you feel the need. All intelligent and decent people are very welcome here! :-) Welcome, Welcome ! |
FreddieDarling 12.02.2019 20:02 |
A full 40 minutes of the Garden Lodge tapes if anyone doesn't have it already. How I love Freddie all relaxed . link |
sammyfrankfreddie96 12.02.2019 20:11 |
@Rainbow61: Thank you so much for the kind words!!! I'm really hoping to sing WWTLF onstage someday soon. I love that song so, so much. Also, I really appreciate you taking the time to listen to my tribute to my Grandfather, thank you so much for listening and your comment. It truly means a lot :) @FreddieDarling: Yay!! I'm so glad you enjoyed it :D Oh goodness it's not an easy song to sing haha, you have to take into account all the high notes BUT also Freddie's stylistic intentions and staying true to his original intentions with the song and it's soul influences. And its so fun being able to find the tracks with Freddie's original backing harmonies on them, just terrific! I love using them, and the fact you say you think he'd be proud to be my backing singer makes it all the better haha! Thank you :) All the positive feedback on my Queen covers here has really given me a boost in confidence on my ability to do them. I seem to usually be looked at as a one trick pony and people only want to hear me do Broadway music, so this has really been wonderful for me...thank you all :) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.02.2019 21:43 |
ForFreddie: As far as I know, no one in his life has said that. I trust Phoebe over Barbara any day. I really don't know why people struggle with the face that Freddie was a proud gay man. I think it's wonderful |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.02.2019 21:43 |
ForFreddie: As far as I know, no one in his life has said that. I trust Phoebe over Barbara any day. I really don't know why people struggle with the face that Freddie was a proud gay man. I think it's wonderful |
ForFreddie 12.02.2019 22:11 |
I wish I could remember the names of the people who were speaking, but, they sounded like they knew Freddie personally/intimately....one person being interviewed was Peter, I do believe. In any case, what does it matter, if it was said to dispell the gay angle, well, everyone pretty much already knew Freddie was gay and, most people didn't care. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.02.2019 22:47 |
Peter stated specifically that Freddie did not sleep with Barbara. Come on, stop spreading this rumor. |
Rainbow61 13.02.2019 00:05 |
Thor and Lee, In any pictures I have seen taken from the grounds of Garden Lodge, it looks very private and lovely. When you see photos of the area taken from outside the fence, it looks like there are quite a few taller buildings around Freddie's home. It is hard to get a sense of how close those buildings actually are, never having been there before. Did it feel as private and secluded as it looked, or were there sections of the yard where you felt like you could be in view of someone from a nearby home who happened to be looking out an upper story window? This might have been asked before, but what did you think of Freddie's koi pond? |
ForFreddie 13.02.2019 00:12 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan.....I'm not spreading a rumour, I'm repeating what I heard a person say while being interviewed on a story about Freddie.....if anyone is spreading around something that isn't true, it's that person....and, he wasn't the only one.... did you ever see that piece that aired on REELZ, about Freddie? THEY are saying it, not me, I just repeated it. Anyway, so what if he did? Is anyone going to think any less of him? Does it really matter now? |
thundergod 13.02.2019 01:33 |
Hey All, I am going for another intense book meeting with Lee tomorrow until next Tues. Thankfully, it is scheduled to rain in Palm Springs, so there will be no distractions by warm, beautiful weather...LOL I've sent another 10 or so, queries out. Still waiting to hear from them. We were accepted by Page Publishers recently, but with their unbelievably "perfect deal", everything pointed toward Vanity Press and they wanted money just to sign the contract and then extra charges for every service. They denied that, of course, and are still sending me "come-on" messages despite our refusal. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 13.02.2019 01:34 |
Rainbow, as much as I enjoy Queen, I so enjoy the calmer moments. Either at the piano, or in a close up video. I seem to be drawn to the slower numbers. I don’t want to call them ballads, but just “kicked back”. Would one call We Are The Champions a ballad? I don’t care what they call it I like that style of his work. I also enjoyed his solo album. His disco “stylings” were very fun to me. Having more of a theatre/crooning kind of voice, myself, I could NEVER pull off a disco number like he could so naturally. Freddie had several taller properties around Garden Lodge. As I recal, and I could be wrong, I don’t remember being able to see any neighbors windows, which meant THEY couldn’t see the garden. Freddie once mentioned that he knew there were visual intruders that could see everyone coming and going from the street entrance. Diana Rigg lived across the street. Not sure if he told us that in 86 or 91, but it definitely when we were at the house. The wall around the property was brick, maybe 7 feet tall? I LOVED how the door would open bekoning you in. I went to look at the house the last time I was London YIKES 2007. I’m due a trip. Mary had added additional height to the wall, to prevent intruders. I don’t doubt that it can be a title difficult for her with so many people looking for the house. Each brick of the front wall was turned into a tribute for all that passed by. They would speak of their love for him, or how sad they were at his lost, etc. I have a shot fo it that will be in the book. It’s one of few that we are using that has been seen, but this one is my photo. There’s a photo with the same shot as mine on the internet. I heard that Mary had the notes removed from the bricks. Did someone here tell us that? The Coi pond. STUNNING. I fed them with Freddie when we were there the last time. There IS a shot of me at the pond solo. At that point of the morning we left we were taking some photos and Freddie hadn’t yet decided that he wanted to be in the photos. That story I have told, and it’s in the book. Hi Koala - Welcome to our little world here. Don’t be a stranger. We’d love to hear from you, and if it’s a question we’ve already answered, there ARE some stories worth repeating for sure. FreddieDarling - THANKS for the extended video of the al fresco soirée. I didn’t know it existed. Can’t wait to see it, and then I’ll supply a narrative. LOL Oh well. That’s it for February 12, 2019. Did I miss anyone’s question? Please let me know. ‘Til tomorrow. Ciao XO. |
thundergod 13.02.2019 01:40 |
HaHa Lee, We must have been typing at the same time! |
Katydyd5 13.02.2019 03:27 |
Welcome Koala! It's been great to see so many new people here. Lee, you missed my question, and I'll be the first to admit it wasn't anything important and it has been partially discussed here before, but I'm still curious. Freddie was so powerful on stage, so larger-than-life that it took me a while to realize he wasn't tall, and he was actually built very thin. In the GL tape of the al fresco dining, both you and Thor look very tall, well over six feet. Are you as tall as you appear in the video? Freddie is definitely looking up at both of you. I often wonder if Freddie would have been able to enjoy the same privacy he had at Garden Lodge today. As much as the press hounded him, I sometimes think it is even worse now. I've often wondered about the surrounding buildings that Rainbow mentioned. I also wonder about drones invading the privacy. I'm glad it was a beloved retreat for him then. One more question. Did you guys ever meet Terry Giddings? He seemed so loyal to Freddie then, and almost another member of his "family". I've seen him interviewed in some of the documentaries and he seems like he really loved Freddie. Freddie seemed to have the kind of personality that drew people in and inspired loyalty. |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 03:47 |
The person who claimed he fucked Barbara was Lesley Ann Jones. The idiot who started those rumors to begin with. Then they edited David Wigg in that channel 5 bull to make it look like his joke about being asked to join a threeesome was real. Peter Freestone said they shared a bed together but they never had sex. He clarified it serval times since then. Barbara never said they had sex or were real lovers on anything official. She was on the untold story and said herself she was just a friend. It matters because it's one more ridiculous lie about a man who isnt here to defend himself anymore. That woman claimed he tried to kill her. Physically harmed her AND hid his AIDS diagnosis from her after he found out, putting her life on the line. Bullshit. Freddie had far too good a heart to do that to anyone. Not to mention the man had to hide his sexuality all his life to protect his career. I'll be damned if I'm going to listen to it being erased or mislabeled in his death. PS that "docudrama" was so hideously inaccurate that Brian and Freddie's mom tried to get it stopped right before her death. When it came out, brian issued an apology to the fans on his soapbox. "Dont blame us folks. We tried to get it stopped. At least Mrs.Bulsara didnt have to see it air" she had died right before it came out. There's a reason Peter Freesrone wasn't in it. And anything with Lesley Ann Jones in it should be enough for anyone with common sense to see it's a lie. Freddie found out he had AIDS in 87. She admitted he cut his finger once and screamed at her not to help. She said she didnt find out he had it until 89. Freddie told all his lovers in 1987 that he had it. As far back as 1982 with Joe. He told Joe who he stopped fucking in 82 but he hid it from Barbara who she claimed fucked him in 84 and 85? Yeah right. And i'm Paul McCartney's bastard son. Not everything you see on TV is true about celebrities friend. Refer only to trusted sources. Peter Freestone Dennis DeWitt and Chris Taylor knew them both and all have the same story to tell: it never happened. |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 03:53 |
Sweet thanks for standing up against that stupid Barbara thing. Anyone who buys into that garbage is saying Freddie was a piece of shit who abused and endangered people he cared about. Not mention its mislabeling a gay man who had to hide it all his life as bi. A ridiculous and massively offensive thing to put on the shoulders of a dead legend. Barbara took over beard duty for Mary when Freddie lived in Germany. They were friends. Who never had a sexual relationship. "I once asked Freddie after seeing the photos of them in the paper if he fucked Barbara. Maybe he'd switched teams. He looked at me as if I was mad and said 'Please! She's a cow!'. No they were absolutely never lovers." -Chris 'Crystal' Taylor. |
thundergod 13.02.2019 04:02 |
Hey Dusty, Glad you chimed in! |
Charlies boy 13.02.2019 04:20 |
I never understood how anyone could possibly believe that Freddie slept with Barbara. It's so easily disproven. The fact that she never made the claim on anything official speaks volumes. Then you realize there's no mention of a sexual or romantic relationship between them mentioned in any of Peters books (who was close with both of them) and nothing in Jim's. Odd that Jim would mention Winnie as a lover and boyfriend to Freddie in his book but call Barbara a friend when Lesley Jones claims they were passionate lovers. Hmm....a man struggles with his sexuality for years....cries during sex with a woman saying he needs a man...then avoids sex with his following girlfriend so much so that she figures out he's gay before he even dreams of coming out.....he travels the world with an unquenchable desire for sex....and never shows interest in a single woman at all...plenty of men but no women from 1975 to 1984 Then he just...flips and jumps in bed with a woman who looks polar opposite to the women he tried dating in college? And nobody close to him mentioned this in their books? And Freddie denies it when asked? He doesn't feel the need to tell her he has aids for years after his diagnosis too? Hmm....I dont think you need a crystal ball to figure this one out. What she was was shrinking star who used Freddie (after he died might I add. Dead men can't call your bullshit) to boost her own name. Peter talked about Freddie catching her lying in his first book. He said Freddie had her as a beard (fake girlfriend for the press) to avoid being outed as gay. Which is also why he still brought Mary to functions. And Freddie found it very strange that any and every time he and Barbara went out somewhere the press would suddenly show up and start snapping photos. She would grab his hand and kiss him for the cameras and Winnie (his actual lover) would be made to walk behind them. Every single time. Freddie (not being mentally challenged) looked into it and found that the press that were showing up everywhere he went with Barbara were friends of hers and she had been calling them to let them know where they would be each night. Freddie cut her off for a few years because he also found out she wasn't just happy being his beard. No no. She told the press they were getting married! Barbara was a leech. He made the mistake of speaking with her again and she waited until he was good and dead before looking for tabliod writers to sell her stories too. Each time she told them, they got more and more wild. Her mistake was not keeping up with her own dates and claims. The Barbara/bi lie is right up there in cringey annoying crap as the Princess Diana in drag story. Yawn. |
thundergod 13.02.2019 04:34 |
And Charlie's Boy, A big welcome, and thank you very much for your observations and understanding of this topic. |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 04:55 |
Hey Thor Sorry to hear about that publishing company not working out. With the movie winning so many awards I'm surprised publishers aren't jumping at this. I have to belie it will come out at some point. With all the stories you guys are letting us in on here I'm really interested to see the photos that correlate with some of them. Wishing you guys good luck. |
thundergod 13.02.2019 05:07 |
Dustin, If you can find the time, please check in with us as much as you are able. We've become somewhat "pest" free. I know you've engaged with some of them, but forget them and just give us your keen observations. Besides, we need a few more men to contribute here! No offense ladies. I love you all! |
Rainbow61 13.02.2019 07:43 |
Hi Koala and Charles boy...welcome to QueenZone! |
Freddienotfreddy 13.02.2019 10:32 |
Thor and Lee, Did the two of you ever see Freddie's other home, Stafford Terrace? I believe Freddie still owned it after he moved into Garden Lodge. |
Freddienotfreddy 13.02.2019 11:07 |
It looks like Peter Freestone's cookbook can be ordered through this website: link |
Katydyd5 13.02.2019 13:18 |
FreddienotFreddy, thanks for the link. That looks like the site where I ordered my copy some time ago. I looked at the book again the other day and I vow to try some of the recipes. Even if I never hit the kitchen once the stories in the book are great! |
ForFreddie 13.02.2019 15:10 |
You all are acting like I am saying/accusing Freddie of having slept with Barbara, I've been accused of spreading rumors, when all I did was comment on what I heard a couple of people say, on a REELZ TV program... I wasn't trying to smear anyone's name, I was hoping for someone to clear things up for me, because, unlike some of you, I didn't know Freddie personally, so, must rely on those who did. All any one of you had to do, was, say, " no, Freddie did not, I know because, I knew Freddie," instead, I get rudeness and insults, how am I supposed to know what's true and, what isn't? I mean, Freddie did say, at one point, he thought he might be bisexual, so, it's not a far leap from that, to sleeping with Barbara, now is it? I admired Freddie just as much as any of you, still do, I didn't think you all would see a simple comment, as a betrayal, after all, I didn't initially make that comment, it came from somewhere/someone else. |
Anniebee 13.02.2019 16:25 |
Welcome to all of the new people! I ordered a copy of the cookbook last November and it just arrived yesterday so it takes a little time to get to you FYI. Can’t wait to sit and read it! |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 17:31 |
Let's not play victim. Nobody called you outside your name or insulted you. Like you we made statements. The message behind them was simple. Any backwards attitude you pulled from those comments were your own. Freddie came out to Mary 2 times. The first time he told her "thought" he "might" be bisexual. And she (knowing he had avoided sex with her for years by that point) knew he was trying to say he was gay. She stayed hoping he was into girls and when nothing changed in their sex life he tried to tell her again that he was gay and thats when she moved out. "He tried desperately to tell me something and I just asked him xAre you trying to tell me you're gay?'" So yes it IS a stretch to believe he fucked Barbara. It's stupid. Closeted gay men are not bisexuals. His sexuality was not something he flipped on every other week. You don't struggle with being gay for years just to hop into bed with a female who's story never made any sense. Every time that rumor gets told it's a slap to the face of the man. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 13.02.2019 17:31 |
It makes me wonder too, whether he would have been able to stay at Garden Lodge. I'm guessing no, with the advent of drones that could easily fly over the house. Thor, could you have seen him moving to a big country estate like Elton? The great thing about Garden Lodge is that it's a little oasis in the middle of the city, with conveniences nearby. However, I think fans and the press would have bothered him endlessly today. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 13.02.2019 17:47 |
Dustin, you keep fighting the good fight. It's an endless battle and I won't have people spreading false rumors about a man who isn't here to defend himself. It's great to have you here, and Thor is right, we need some more men! Us ladies have taken over the thread. Also, ""I once asked Freddie after seeing the photos of them in the paper if he fucked Barbara. Maybe he'd switched teams. He looked at me as if I was mad and said 'Please! She's a cow!'. No they were absolutely never lovers." -Chris 'Crystal' Taylor." made me LOL! It reminded me of the joke someone (Joe, maybe?) made about Barbara not being able to fit into the jacuzzi in the Mews in the video of Freddie showing them the new bathroom. It was savagely funny and reminds me of things my own friends would say. He looked so proud of the Mews house after the renovations. He really had an eye for interior design! What a gorgeous guest house!! |
Katydyd5 13.02.2019 17:50 |
Thor and Lee, I hope your meeting this weekend accomplishes all you hope. It seems like you guys get together frequently. Were you seeing each other as much before you started the book? Lifelong friendships are like family aren't they? Is this the weekend you'll be talking to Phoebe/Peter? |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 17:53 |
Sweet I have a David Wigg interview from 78 or 79 saved on my desktop that addresses just that. Wigg: What's your ideal home then Freddie? FM: I thought about buying a flat in New York but you can't live there like you're just passing through it. It's a totally different thing. You leave your car parked somewhere in New York and you wonder if it'll be there when you get back. No I want a country mansion in England. Acreage in the city. Wigg: A country mansion! And acreage in London?! Have you found it? FM: *laughs* no. I think he found it shortly after with Garden Lodge. Peter said Freddie purchased it at the end of the 70's and it sat alone for years being worked on and tweaked to his specifications. Among the new additions to the house Freddie had two bedrooms knocked into one to make the master bedroom truly grand. He had a custom bed built so large it had to be lifted in with a crane during reconstruction. He installed a lighting system over his bed that recreated the night sky (which according to Peter, he never used). A koi pond. A failed 'rain shower' that used multiple sprinklers from all angles to recreate the feeling of being in the rain while having a relaxing shower. It's said that Freddie never got it to work properly and it was a major cause of frustration for him. And much more. That house must've really been something else. In a recent interview Peter Freestone was asked who the love of Freddie's life was. His response was a simple "Garden Lodge. Garden Lodge and Jim." |
Anniebee 13.02.2019 17:55 |
@sammyfrankfreddie96, I just got a chance to listen to your Queen covers, your voice is wonderful! You do these songs justice, and you’re a sweetheart. :) keep sharing, I’m definitely subscribing to your channel. I may have to pick your brain someday since I have a daughter who may or may not want to get into musical theater one day. :) |
Anniebee 13.02.2019 18:10 |
Dustin, Charlies boy and Sweet thanks for the input about she who shall not be named, lol, I feel like this position of “some people saying” her and Freddie were together comes up everywhere no matter who says there was absolutely no way it happened, it always gets questioned. She was a beard, plain and simple, and I’m pretty sure that unless someone physically saw them having sex there’s no way they can say it happened. |
Invisible Woman 13.02.2019 18:16 |
Hi, I haven't participated in the thread for a long time, but I still read it. Again about Barbara. So what if Freddie slept with her or not? How much I know it's not a crime. LOL Only Barbara and Freddie know what is the true about it. I don't know why this is so important to some of you. Thor, You recently said that when you met Jim, Freddie said something like "this is my new husband, girls". But earlier you answered differently. I asked in your previous topic have you ever heard he called him "husband". http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1480243.html Did I misunderstand something? Sorry if I did. Thanks. |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 18:33 |
What's funny is invisible woman you only seem to pop up when Barbara is discussed. Each time you say the same thing. "Who cares? We'll never know". Only we DO know. It's almost as if you're desperate to believe Freddie wasn't gay. How many times do you need to read "Even Freddie said it never happened" and "Barbara' story doesn't add up" before you accept that the man wasn't bisexual? Repeat after me: Freddie Mercury was a gay man and that is ok. Now I remember why I took a step back from here. Almost forgot how silly this topic gets. |
Charlies boy 13.02.2019 18:42 |
Anniebee Sweet and Dustin well said and thank you for saying as much. Freddie deserved better than the lies that woman spewed about him. Dustin thanks for the extra Garden Lodge info. I read some of that in Phoebe's book as well. |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 18:52 |
No problem. I think we've said all that needs to be said on Barbara. Back to Lee and Thor. Was Freddie as open to taking photos during your last visit to London? Jim figured he had the last photo ever taken of Freddie shortly before he passed away. He mentioned Freddie not wanting to be photographed during the last few months. Understandable. |
Invisible Woman 13.02.2019 19:16 |
@ Dustin Zimerman It's not true at all that I was talking only about Barbara on this thread. I don't care for her. I have said several times that it does not matter to me if Freddie was gay or bi. Who read my posts knows that I like Jim. I went back to the topic again that Thor clarify something about my question in previous thread. Surely I don't intend to argue about "gay or bi", it does not matter to me. It's more important to me that he found love with Jim. No need to attack me. I thought is exagerrating with that story about Barbara. By the way, I also think that this is not true about her and Freddie. |
FreddieDarling 13.02.2019 19:55 |
Welcome to Charlie's boy! :-) I'm sure you'll enjoy this fun thread. |
Charlies boy 13.02.2019 20:02 |
Thanks I posted here before but it was probably about 6 months ago. Thor was nice enough to respond to my private message and everyone seemed really welcoming. I just forgot about this page for a while! I'm actually surprised this isn't more popular within the fan community. |
ForFreddie 13.02.2019 20:11 |
Dustin.... asking questions about something, because you've heard different versions from people who all claim to have known Freddie the best, wanting clarification, is not....a slap in the face to Freddie. People acting as though I'm some kind of monster because I ask questions regarding Freddie's sexual life, supposing, just supposing, those people might be telling the truth, there's no need to become all indignant over a few inquiries/questions, you'll have to excuse us commoners who didn't have the pleasure of knowing Freddie personally, for being curious, especially since they've got it put out there, in a documentary, of sorts, on Freddie's life. I'm not saying it's true, I'm not saying it isn't, I simply stated, I saw/heard people who claimed to know Freddie, say it. Guess what? I don't care! I think most people don't care. Freddie was, what he was and, I'm pretty sure his sexual preferences aren't the reason for his popularity or, the reason people liked him and his music. |
thundergod 13.02.2019 20:22 |
So, I am about to leave for Palm Springs now but I thought I should make one comment. Dustin, I love ya buddy but please try to keep your language a little more congenial. You could have said, "I disagree with you and here is why." Invisible Woman is not a troll and comes from a different background and a different, non-western country. Her ideas are not stated with any nastiness or venom behind it. She deserves to be heard and treated civilly. A good debate is wonderful, but we all need to keep it in a non-offensive manner. Trolls are obvious when they appear and we don't engage them. Once again, Dustin, I am glad you are back and I know you do not really need any scoldings. We are all here because we love Freddie, his kindness and his genius. I was having a fight with Brandon (my x) once in London. Freddie saw that this was making everyone uncomfortable, so he said, "Girls, just sort yourselves out." We stopped our argument and this silly, but not unkind, statement of Freddie's, saved the rest of the visit. |
thundergod 13.02.2019 20:29 |
And ForFreddie is not a mean troll either. |
ForFreddie 13.02.2019 20:30 |
Oh, I get it now, people who ask questions and offer different points of view and, don't agree with the consensus...aka, the folks who have been here a while and are recognized....are trolls. I'm not an ass kisser and, I refuse to start now, just because some people are too full of themselves for having known Freddie personally and therefore, put themselves above everyone else, doesn't mean I have to do what the rest are doing......kissing Thor's ass... |
ForFreddie 13.02.2019 20:32 |
Now.... I feel like a first class heel..... excuse me, I thought I was being called a troll for not being a long time, recognized poster.....I'll just leave now.....so sorry.... |
thundergod 13.02.2019 20:34 |
ForFreddie, I respect your opinion. I don't feel like my ass is being kissed, but you are certainly welcome to disagree with me on that. |
Anniebee 13.02.2019 20:39 |
Thor, have a great time in Palm Springs, hopefully this will be a fruitful trip for the book! |
thundergod 13.02.2019 20:46 |
We just got a new offer to publish the book. I am bringing a copy of the contract to Palm Springs so Lee and I can see if it is a legit deal. Now I really have to get going. I'm bringing my computer with me so I will check the tread a few times while I am there. I don't want to get too excited yet...We were quite let down with the last offer. |
Dustin Zimmerman 13.02.2019 21:38 |
Jesus Christ what a mess. LOL none of it was that deep. People are taking things to heart here. I speak the way I speak not to be cruel but it's how I speak. I'm not going to alter it and I don't blame you for trying to step in Thor. Its just unnecessary. Idk what happened with ForFreddie but Thor has no issue with people who have different opinions than him. Looks like you realized that already. Let's not take everything so personally folks. |
The Squirrelly One 13.02.2019 21:41 |
Thor I tried sending you a thread I saw online regarding one of Freddie's friends but I keep getting an error message when I hit send for private message. If it got to you it must have been sent 8 or 9 times. My apologies. |
The Squirrelly One 13.02.2019 22:02 |
Just sent it again without an error message this time. I hope you got it Thor. Thanks. |
FreddieDarling 13.02.2019 22:41 |
ForFreddie: I Hope you don't go! stick around andvp I'm sure the fun will resume! I too don't care what Freddie's orientation was. He was a good, sweet loyal and immensely talented human being. As long as ones sexual partner is consenting and of legal age, I don't care what people do. Live and let live, I say. :-) I guess because we all love Freddie to bits, we can sometimes get a bit aireated about what seems like trivial statements and asides. I recognise that you were in no way dissing Freddie, and simply offering forward an anecdote you'd heard/seen or read. Hope you don't leave the thread, mate. I'm sure there's lots of fun to come. Kindest Regards to all. Have fun in Palm Springs, Thor. |
Invisible Woman 13.02.2019 22:59 |
I thought it wasn't important who is from which country. Seems like I was wrong. Still, it doesn't matter to me. But never mind. It doesn't matter anymore if I get an answer or not. I hope you will publish the book. Good luck. I will no longer bother anyone on this thread. |
Rainbow61 13.02.2019 23:32 |
Thor and Lee, When you think back over the years since Freddie passed away, you both have had interesting careers, sought out traveling adventures, experienced significant life moments etc…things you undoubtedly would have shared with Freddie when you caught up with one another. Is there a particular event or milestone that, knowing Freddie as you did, he would have been absolutely delighted to hear about? Enjoy your working weekend. By the way…I think Rami will win the Academy Award on the 24th…the interest in Freddie and Queen has never been higher. A lot of folks will love reading your book! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 13.02.2019 23:33 |
Thor have a wonderful time in the desert! The rain is lovely in LA and I'm sure in Palm Springs it will be a good way to stay indoors and focus! I do love how Freddie called you all "girls" so often. It's something the younger generation of gay men do today and it's very cute and fun. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 13.02.2019 23:34 |
Rainbow: I think Rami will win, too. |
FreddieDarling 13.02.2019 23:38 |
Same message to InvisibleWoman as for ForFreddie, I hope you don't go. Differing opinions are welcome as long as hey are not "trollish", which I know you are not. Come back both of you! :-) :-) |
spiralstatic 14.02.2019 00:06 |
Thor, I love how you always post with such kindness. Good luck with the imminent book-happenings. I had more to say than this, but I pressed reply & forgot what I meant to respond to, ooops. Oh dear: one of those days! I’m a music therapist as my job & in my morning school, in a session with a girl, we got to be singing goodbye at the end of the session & all of a sudden this girl (who can speak but doesn’t speak much put both her hands over my hands as I was playing the piano I.) “Why?” I thought, until I realised I’d just said “It’s time to sing goodbye!” then had promptly begun singing hello again on autopilot. Oh how we laughed. (While she I’m sure thought what an idiot I am!!!!) I share this, as my feeling is sometimes the best thing we can all do is take a wee step back & laugh a little: be it at something amusing or at ourselves! May I recommend almost any Freddie interview if you’re struggling to find the joy, for his wit shall surely make you smile. xxx (PS I really would love to read Peter’s cookbook, but I can’t get the website to work! Or indeed I’d love to read any one of Peter’s Freddie books, but it is so hard to source an affordable copy of any one of those either, sigh!) |
FreddieDarling 14.02.2019 00:19 |
Spiralstatic where are you in the world? if in US or UK I'd suggest Amazon for a reasonably priced new copy of Peters books. |
Blenkolove 14.02.2019 02:30 |
Thor and Lee..... My fingers are crossed for you both!!!!! I said quite a few pages ago......This is Your Year!!! I feel it in my bones!!!!! Plz keep us all posted!!! I'm certain we will ALL be waiting anxiously for the Good News!! |
mayqueen 14.02.2019 03:52 |
Lee - your comment of "a freaking cotillion or something" was almost responsible for my choking. Thank you for that, I needed a belly laugh today. Apparently, I also needed some coffee in my lungs. Thank you for the sharing the warm memories of fun times. Sammyfrankfreddie96 - I've listened to your covers, and my word, you have a beautiful voice. Your nerves in "Somebody to Love" were most certainly not apparent, and I found myself cheering when you hit that nice lovely long high note that we all know we listen for! Thor have a wonderful time in Palm Springs, and fingers crossed on the book deal for you and Lee! |
NotQuiteAShilling 14.02.2019 07:25 |
Good luck in the desert Thor and Lee!!! |
spiralstatic 14.02.2019 08:21 |
FreddieDarling wrote: Spiralstatic where are you in the world? if in US or UK I'd suggest Amazon for a reasonably priced new copy of Peters books.Thanks FreddieDarling. Yes, I'm in the UK & I did order a copy from Amazon last year, but Amazon just keep sending me e-mails saying it has been delayed, and then further delayed (they sent me one yesterday with the expected date now May) so I am not entirely convinced it will ever be sent, but here is hoping! :) |
FreddieDarling 14.02.2019 08:34 |
Spiraltastic, well my copy has been dispatched, so they must be available before May now. Do a search on Amazon yourself. The seller is Apollo books . Hope you get one. |
koala 14.02.2019 09:06 |
Thanks for the welcome, everyone. I’ll admit it’s a bit difficult to decide which conversations to jump into (although I’m definitely not coming near the Barbara one lol), but I do have a few questions: 1) Thor and Lee, do you happen to know whether Freddie was a fan of British comedy? I ask this because I’ve seen a skit by John Cleese that was included in a Queen release of some sort. Here’s the link if anyone’s interested: link I also seem to remember Peter Freestone talking about Freddie making a remark which he speculated could have been a reference to Fawlty Towers in his book. I’m a huge fan of all that stuff, so it piqued my interest. 2) Some people here have mentioned Chris Taylor’s book. Does anyone know what it’s called or has a link of where to buy it? I did a quick search, but didn’t find anything. Also, I’m excited to hear about the new publishing prospect, keeping my fingers crossed! |
FreddieDarling 14.02.2019 10:37 |
KOALA - as far as I'm aware Chris "Crystal" Taylor has not written a book, but Peter "Ratty" Hince did it's called Queen Unseen. Hope that helps. |
FreddieDarling 14.02.2019 13:58 |
My Royal Recipes book arrived! So far I love it! I do love how lovingly and fondly Peter speaks of Freddie. There is genuine affection there and the way he speaks of 'the master' is testament to Freddie's wonderful kind nature. The recipes look yummy too. I fancy the cottage pie! Glad to see a photo of the cheesey things (cheesy biccies courtesy of Mrs. Bulsara's recipe book) as I now I know my own attempts turned out right! It was a book from the kosher publishers, so at least I know MPT get a share of the profits. Thank you, Phoebe for your lovely, loving tribute to our dear man. You're a diamond of the first water! |
Freddienotfreddy 14.02.2019 18:02 |
Dustin Zimmerman, In great that Freddie loved Garden Lodge because it seems that it didn't start that way. In Perter Freestone's second book he talked about how Freddie seemed reluctant to move into Garden Lodge once it was finally completed. Peter says that he lived there by himself for about 8 months before Freddie moved in. Peter stated Freddie stayed at Stafford Terrace with Joe during this time. Peter says he was sent to live there because the insurance stated the home had to be occupied to be covered and Freddie also wanted to make sure the cats liked it there. Freddie finally agreed to spend a weekend at Garden Lodge and after that weekend, finally moved in full time. |
Jo T. 15.02.2019 01:18 |
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Blenkolove 15.02.2019 02:13 |
HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY!!!! TO ALL YOU BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE!!! XXOO |
Katydyd5 15.02.2019 02:20 |
Jo, I forget, are you in GB? I looked at both of your links and laughed my way through the Monty Python piece. Several years ago I saw Spamalot as part of our Broadway Series. I have never laughed so hard at a show! I don't know much about British humor, but I appreciated it that night. |
Katydyd5 15.02.2019 02:22 |
Happy Valentine's Day back at you Blenkolove! We celebrated with a heart shaped pizza. |
Jo T. 15.02.2019 02:47 |
Give credit to koala for the 1st link about John Cleese. I'm the "flesh wound" one. What's GB? |
Katydyd5 15.02.2019 03:13 |
Sorry Jo. GB=Great Britain. |
thundergod 15.02.2019 03:50 |
I don't remember if Freddie, Lee and myself discussed British Comedy. I do remember being very fond of "Keeping Up Appearances" but I don't know if it was around in the late '80s or early '90s. Then there was that department store comedy series (sorry, but the name escapes me at the moment) which if it aired in the US around that time frame, I would have mentioned it to Freddie. I thought both shows were absolutely hysterical! |
mayqueen 15.02.2019 03:51 |
Happy Valentine's Day to you as well Blenkolove! I hope everyone had a day spent with someone they love, whether it be romantic love or not. We celebrated with some delicious and absolutely gorgeous eclaires. |
Rainbow61 15.02.2019 04:15 |
A very happy Valentine's Day to all! I baked my husband some heart-shaped chocolate chip cookies, he gave me two lovely red roses, and we watched our first date movie "Pride and Prejudice". I am lucky enough to be married to a guy who actually likes watching English period piece films with me! I wonder if Freddie celebrated Valentine's Day? It seems like a holiday he would have really enjoyed. |
thundergod 15.02.2019 04:54 |
We were never in London for Valentines Day, but we did celebrate Feb 14th, 1982 and 1983 on or slightly prior to that date. Freddie always loved an excuse for a celebration and Valentines Day was no exception. I don't believe however, that we ever celebrated Groundhog Day, on Feb 2nd...LOL |
NotQuiteAShilling 15.02.2019 04:58 |
Thor is it Are you Being Served? Is that the one where the older lady is always talking about her pussy? (her cat) |
NotQuiteAShilling 15.02.2019 05:05 |
There used to be a Brit comedy show called The Goodies late 70s...I was a kid but i remember staying up late to watch it. Anyone remember that one? Happy Valentine's Day QueenZoners! |
Rainbow61 15.02.2019 05:09 |
Thor and Lee, I am glad you are savvy enough to look at any publisher's offer with both hope AND a healthy amount of skepticism. I've read that it's not uncommon for new authors to fall for the claims made by vanity presses. They know how to sell their product and they utilize very specific, and often high-pressure, sales tactics. They can be very assertive, which is flattering to new authors. You seem to have a gut instinct about how to handle these offers. I think you will both know when it is right. Thanks for keeping us updated. |
thundergod 15.02.2019 05:48 |
YES exactly NotQuiteAShilling, "Are You Being Served" WAS the show. Were these shows avaiable in 1980 - 1991? If they were I am sure that I would have mentioned them to Freddie..he would have loved the pussy jokes. |
thundergod 15.02.2019 05:57 |
Speaking of pussy jokes, one day, out on the lawn of the Garden Lodge, Freddie had a basket out with one of his cats in it. Brandon passed by the basket, crouched down and thought he would make a little joke of possibly sitting on the cat and scare Freddie. Freddie immediately countered the joke with "That would be two pussys in a basket darling!" We laughed for days. |
mayqueen 15.02.2019 08:12 |
Thor, "Are You Being Served" was available in the US in the mid-80's on our PBS stations. My grandmother was a huge fan of Benny Hill, Are You Being Served, and Keeping Up Appearances. Lord only knows what she was thinking letting me watch a couple of those with her! But, it did give me a deep love of British comedy and bawdy tongue-in-cheek humor. |
FreddieDarling 15.02.2019 10:54 |
Hi Are You Being Served aired first in UK in 1972, so I'm sure Freddie would have been aware of it. I too love this show. Classic Jimmy Perry! That's when we knew how to make sit coms, in the 1970's! A lost art, sadly IMO. Best British sit com of recent years had been Car Share. Except I wasn't pleased with the couple of digs they seemed to take at our Freddie! Love Freddie's "pussy" joke @Brandon! Peter always said Freddie had a wonderfully dry sense of humour. I get that, as that's my sense of humour, too. Dry, deadpan and acerbic! Have a great weekend all. Keeping my fingers crossed for you again Thor and Lee. I'm off to my Zanzibari coffee house again tomorrow, fir coffee and mandazi ! |
queenbuzz 15.02.2019 14:27 |
Thor, All the best wishes for wisdom for you and Lee this weekend! I was just watching the morning shows and saw the current flooding in Palm Springs. I hope Lee is spared of any flooding! |
queenbuzz 15.02.2019 14:27 |
Thor, All the best wishes for wisdom for you and Lee this weekend! I was just watching the morning shows and saw the current flooding in Palm Springs. I hope Lee is spared of any flooding! |
Annie65 15.02.2019 15:59 |
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Annie65 15.02.2019 16:02 |
Thor....the pussy in the basket story is great! What an awesome glimpse of Freddie's wit.... I love it! Thanks for remembering it. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 15.02.2019 17:13 |
Thor, thank you so much for the little stories. The pussy in the basket was priceless. He was a riot! |
koala 15.02.2019 18:21 |
@FreddieDarling I’ve read Ratty’s book, but some people here have quoted Chris Taylor (in the dreaded Barbara debate, I believe), so I thought he might have a book out as well. Perhaps he was just featured in other Freddie books/articles I haven’t read? @Jo T. I LOVE Monty Python and have always wondered about that too. Well, I did a little digging today and found something that actually answers the question! It’s an old 70s article called “What Makes Freddie?” where he says that Python makes him laugh. Here are the links: link link @thundergod thanks for the answer! I agree that Keeping up Appearances is hilarious. Apparently, it ran from ’90 to ’95, not sure if Freddie would have seen it (but I can imagine him liking it, given the love for dinner parties he shared with Hyacinth lol). I’m not familiar with Are You Being Served, but will definitely check it out. That pussy story is great! I can just hear Freddie saying it, the sassy mofo. I feel like there are tons of fans like myself who have read a bunch of stuff on him and know all the timelines etc, but it’s personal stories like this that really bring him alive, so to speak. @Rainbow61 in Mercury and Me, Jim says that they would always send roses to each other on Valentine’s day, so I guess he did :) |
Annie65 15.02.2019 18:34 |
Koala.....thanks for the links! |
Saint Jiub 16.02.2019 02:06 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: Thor, thank you so much for the little stories. The pussy in the basket was priceless. He was a riot!I hope this story will be in the book |
Invisible Woman 16.02.2019 08:07 |
I want to explain something. I'm not angry at anyone and I'm not offended. I just was wrong understand about something, it's not important anymore. Sometimes I say "I will no longer bother people here" but I don't really think so. Still, I hope I was not too boring , hope I didn't insult anyone. I will continue to read this interesting thread and maybe sometime will post. |
Katydyd5 16.02.2019 13:29 |
Good to see you Invisible Woman! This thread is so very interesting and everyone has something to add. |
FreddieDarling 16.02.2019 19:16 |
If this isn't an oxymoron, glad to SEE the INVISIBLE woman again! :-D Welcome back! ;-) |
thundergod 16.02.2019 19:16 |
Hello Invisible Woman, Thank you for your message. We ALL love you and enjoy when you have something to say. Sorry for the misunderstanding a few days ago. Welcome Back! HEY EVERYONE...We didn't lose Invisible Woman after all. Thank Goodness! |
NotQuiteAShilling 16.02.2019 19:45 |
Hey Invisible Woman! Glad to have you back. 2 pussies in a box - HA! Thank you Thor (and Freddie)!!! Yikes I just saw the flooding footage in Palm Springs as well. IS EVERYONE OK?? Villiers is doing a Live on Jim Hutton today on Instagram - anyone else gonna be there? |
NotQuiteAShilling 16.02.2019 19:57 |
FreddieDarling and FreddieNotFreddy - THANK YOU for the info on the cookbook! Peter (Phoebe) just posted about it being available again too! I am definitely getting a copy of that one! I just finished Jim Hutton's book Mercury and Me and I'm feeling a bit fragile. I put off reading the end for a week. ugh so painful |
Blenkolove 16.02.2019 21:27 |
NQAS, I will be there for Villiers' live on Jim......hoping she is feeling better and up to it!!! I STILL don't quite get the concept of instagram......but the photos of Freddie (and Brian, Roger, Deacy....) are Flipping Amazing!!!!!!!! Where the heck are all these photos coming from?????? It's Such Eye-Candy, my eyes are gonna get cavities!!!!! |
NotQuiteAShilling 16.02.2019 21:48 |
Yay Blenkolove! See you there! |
NotQuiteAShilling 16.02.2019 21:50 |
So I just now found my PM inbox after months on Queenzone hahaha How do you guys know if you have a PM? |
Blenkolove 16.02.2019 22:20 |
NQAS, I think I usually receive an email notification, plus the sender usually post they sent you a pm on qz??????? |
NotQuiteAShilling 16.02.2019 23:41 |
Thanks Blekolove |
Rainbow61 17.02.2019 01:37 |
NQAS, Just like Blenkolove said, you will receive an email notification if someone sends you a private message. It will state: "New personal message at Queenzone.com". For some reason, ALL my notification emails are doubled. |
Rainbow61 17.02.2019 02:36 |
@ Freddienotfreddy…The link you posted is the same one I used to order my Freddie cookbook back in 2017. I’m happy to hear it is up and running again. @Freddiedarling...Glad your book arrived! I agree, Peter certainly conveys such warmth and respect when he talks about Freddie. If I attempt to make anything, it would be the "Cheesy Pastry Things". In terms of cooking skills, I am probably only one or two notches above Freddie...but I am willing to try! I agree with Katydyd5...even if I don't actually make anything, the background info and little stories in the cookbook are great. This is actually one of my favorite books about Freddie, even though it is primarily a recipe book. Many of the recipes were served at parties and other celebrations Freddie had, which by the sound of it, were always joyous occasions! Now I know what I might have dined on if Freddie had invited me to his home for an evening of merriment. LOL |
thundergod 17.02.2019 05:08 |
We are supposed to Skype with Phoebe tomorrow (Sun) at 10 am California time. Hope he doesn't forget, he is awfully busy these days. |
Rainbow61 17.02.2019 07:05 |
Thor and Lee, I hope you are able to connect with Peter. I'm sure I speak for many when I say I'd love to have him continue with his "Ask Phoebe" column when he gets the chance. Tell him there is a lot of new enthusiasm for his Freddie cookbook as well. Ask him about Breakthru 2019. That is the North American Queen conference. This year it is being held in Cleveland, Ohio from August 2-4. Peter will be there... |
Freddienotfreddy 17.02.2019 08:59 |
Rainbow61, Phoebe posted a new blog entry on January 16, 2019 . He acknowledged that he was very busy but said he was going to try to post more frequently again, so he is definitely continuing the blog. |
Freddienotfreddy 17.02.2019 09:03 |
Rainbow 61 and NotQuiteAShilling, I've ordered my book. I'm not much of a cook,but i'm looking forward to the pictures and stories, as well as knowing some of the money goes to the Mercury Phoenix Trust. |
Freddienotfreddy 17.02.2019 09:11 |
Also, NotQuiteAShilling, When I read Jim's book, I was not prepared for how sad the ending made me. I can not imagine how difficult it was for those close to him if I was so affected just by reading about it. This is a link to an interview Brian and Roger did just a week after Freddie died. Brian refers to Phoebe, Jim, and Joe in a way that acknowledges all hey did for Freddie while still maintaining their privacy. link |
Invisible Woman 17.02.2019 11:21 |
I would like to know what Peter thinks about Bohemian Rhapsody movie and his opinion about changing some of the facts in it. |
FreddieDarling 17.02.2019 13:09 |
Invisible Woman, you will get some concept of Peter's views, as well as other interesting info from listening to this Peter Freestone interview linkedl below. Hope you enjoy: link Yours Freddily |
FreddieDarling 17.02.2019 13:09 |
Invisible Woman, you will get some concept of Peter's views, as well as other interesting info from listening to this Peter Freestone interview linkedl below. Hope you enjoy: link Yours Freddily |
FreddieDarling 17.02.2019 13:09 |
Invisible Woman, you will get some concept of Peter's views, as well as other interesting info from listening to this Peter Freestone interview linkedl below. Hope you enjoy: link Yours Freddily |
FreddieDarling 17.02.2019 13:09 |
Invisible Woman, you will get some concept of Peter's views, as well as other interesting info from listening to this Peter Freestone interview linkedl below. Hope you enjoy: link Yours Freddily |
FreddieDarling 17.02.2019 13:15 |
Oh blimey! Trigger happy! Sorry! |
Katydyd5 17.02.2019 13:43 |
Invisible Woman, the link FreddieDarling posted is excellent. It's long, and audio only which sometimes makes it difficult for me to focus, but it's well worth the listen. Lots of interesting tidbits. I'm sure I saved it to my Freddie files. |
koala 17.02.2019 17:51 |
Invisible Woman, I was literally about to ask the same question when I logged on. Great minds... :) I've listened to several interviews where Peter talks about BR - most of them released before the film - but was hoping he would do a more in-depth review of the final result once it came out. He's very positive and appreciative of the effort that was put into the film in all of them, but keeps emphasizing that it's not a documentary. I haven't checked out the suggested link yet, but I feel - and I might be wrong - that Peter won't have much, if anything, negative to say about it. Not because there isn't anything negative to say (as has been discussed many pages ago, when Thor posted his review), but because he tends to err on the side of diplomacy - possibly to preserve his relationship with Queen and other people who worked on the project. This is obviously just speculation on my part, but it's a distinct vibe I've been getting. |
thundergod 17.02.2019 20:49 |
I don't think I welcomed you Koala (I love that marsupial), SO...a very big welcome to you! |
thundergod 17.02.2019 20:52 |
Invisible Woman, Lee made me promise not to tell details of our conversation with Phoebe today. It was very enlightening, but he wants to tell you all about it when he is able. |
Blenkolove 17.02.2019 22:15 |
.....Thor.....that is Such a Tease!!! I watched Bohemian Rhapsody today with my five yr old grandaughter....and within the first ten minutes of the movie....she proclaimed loudly...that SHE was the Biggest Freddie Mercury Fan Ever!!!!! I told her Oh No....I was the Biggest Freddie fan!! She countered with.. 'We Are Both the Biggest fans!!!!!" Gotta love it!!!! There are quite a few commercials on TV that have Queen/Freddie music in them.....and Lola will stop mid-play and say.... 'Hey!! That's Freddie Mercury!!!!" I'm so proud of my little angel!!!!!!! |
FreddieDarling 17.02.2019 22:45 |
Rock on, Lola! You are a lady of immense taste, as is your Nanna! Got my Bohemian Rhapsody DVD pre-ordered already! March 4th release date. The film has its faults but I still want it! I find the end credits when we suddenly go to the REAL Freddie singing Don't Stop Me Now unbearably sad. How many people can make you feel their loss so very deeply still over 27 years after they have passed? Watched an Amazon Prime video last night called Freddie Mercury The King of Queen. There were some interviews/data I'd seen before, but also some new statements. I seek out anything new on Freddie and Queen like a J K Rowling Niffler seeking gold! |
Anniebee 17.02.2019 23:31 |
Thor, you are a tease, but that’s ok. Glad the Skype was a good one! Did you guys ever meet anyone while with Freddie that had you startstruck? I don’t remember if this was asked before. |
Rainbow61 18.02.2019 01:54 |
Thor and Lee, It must have been fun to catch up with an old, beloved friend! Can't wait to hear any news you guys can share. Freddie wore so many different stage outfits over the years...is there one outfit in particular that you especially liked? I was just looking at a picture of Freddie in the red latex pants and the blue knee pads and wondering why the knee pads caught his fancy? Maybe he just thought it would be cool to look like a skateboarder? Freddie had such an amazing sense of style that no matter what he wore on stage, your eyes were glued to him...he was always captivating. I could never pick just one that is my favorite, but the outfit he wore for the "I Was Born To Love You" video is right up there! |
Katydyd5 18.02.2019 02:07 |
Thor and Lee, I can't wait to hear about your call with Phoebe! About his clothing, I can't resist saying that I LOVE Freddie's silver leotard. I have no idea why. I'm also always fascinated by the shorts. Rainbow, was it in the Minns/Evans book where Diana Mosely talks about making the pants for "I Was Born To Love You"? She said that Freddie felt his legs were too thin to project the image he wanted for that video so he asked her if she could make the pants so that his legs look somewhat bigger. I think she did a fine job. That's one of my favorite videos. I get a kick out of the outtakes for that video where the suspenders fly off and he just stops and grins. It's also cute when he and the female lead can't get the part with the red cloth right. At one point he actually lands so hard he tips the chair over. Many times I prefer the "making of" videos to the final piece. |
Jo T. 18.02.2019 05:06 |
koala wrote: I LOVE Monty Python and have always wondered about that too. Well, I did a little digging today and found something that actually answers the question! It’s an old 70s article called “What Makes Freddie?” where he says that Python makes him laugh.OMG, great work, koala, you found proof Freddie was indeed a Monty Python fan! I'm totally geeked. Grazie, gracias, xie xie, thank you for the links. I can't recall who posted about Jim Hutton's book. I read it last month. I felt gutted by the ending, too, not only about Freddie's death but even by Joe Fanelli's death, too. Also, Jim recounted how if he had to do it all over again, he wouldn't have let others walk all over him. Treat him as the mere "gardener" vs. Freddie's legit' BF or "husband." He wasn't accorded the respect, whereas Freddie loved him as an ordinary man. Lee and/or Thor, we can't wait to hear about your Skype session c Phoebe. Always leave 'em wanting more, right? Weekly question: What would Freddie typically order @ Ty's in the West Village? |
Freddienotfreddy 18.02.2019 06:00 |
Thor and Lee, We know Freddie and Michael Jackson worked together and that Michael attended Queen shows. Do you know if Freddie ever went to one of Michael's shows? If so, what was his opinion of it? |
Freddienotfreddy 18.02.2019 06:07 |
Katydyd5, Yes, that story Diana Moseley told was in the David Minns/David Evans book. I remember reading that and being surprised that Freddie thought that about his legs since he never seemed to worry about showing them off in his leotards or shorty shorts. I also remember Jim saying in his book that he usually didn't date men as slightly built as Freddie was and that Freddie had the skinniest legs he'd ever seen. |
Katydyd5 18.02.2019 14:13 |
FreddienotFreddy, I am always surprised when I read that comment from Diana. You are right, we all saw plenty of Freddie's legs! I think Phoebe might have said in his blog that Freddie always wished he could have been a bit taller and a bit more buff. Actually I just looked and I have the quote in one of my files. Here it is: "Ray wondered if I thought Freddie was attractive. I’m sure you all know the old saying… beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is beautiful to one person is ugly to another. I was lucky enough to spend 12 years in Freddie’s company, so was able to learn about the person inside the skin. Freddie hated his teeth, he wished he was a few centimetres taller, he would have liked a more defined body, he loathed his double crown, all these things were on the outside. As a friend, Freddie was the warmest, most loving person you could ever wish to meet and I’m sure you could ask anybody who knew him through work or his social life and they would agree with me. I saw the things Freddie listed as his drawbacks, but his personality shone past anything physical, so to answer the question, yes, I think Freddie was beautiful." The Minns/Evans book is one of my favorites because its a quick read and also because we get to hear from people who are a bit more obscure in Freddie's life. It's not the same ole same ole. I think the book may be harder to find now. I'm pretty sure my copy was used from Amazon. So was my copy of Mercury and Me and it's going to need to be rubber banded if I look at it much more. |
Mariag 18.02.2019 16:59 |
How did it go with Phoebe and the publisher Thor and Lee? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 18.02.2019 17:16 |
Hi all, VERY fun talking to Mr. Freestone. Hearing his voice and particularly his laugh brings back so many memories of good times. As was discussed earlier, he chose his words diplomatically when discussing his thoughts about the film. We agreed about how much we enjoyed the film, and what we missed in the film, which as we all know was following a Hollywood formula, as he says, presenting things just the way the creators wanted the production to be, and what they wanted to offer. He DID say one thing that I definitely agree with, and that it was unfortunate that we didn’t get to see Freddie laugh. He had a GREAT laugh, and I can almost hear it if I think about it. Peter is very busy traveling, and granting interviews, but of course reiterated the fact that he will be writing the foreword for our book. Other than reminiscing and catching up, there were no earth shattering revelations, and we decided to make sure we keep in touch more. We will be sending him part of our query and manuscript for his thoughts and blessings, and let him see exactly what we have been working on. |
DCQueenLuvr 18.02.2019 18:51 |
Lee, How nice that you got to catch up with Peter. I think it's a good idea for him to write the foreward. I can't wait to read it all. Koala, Chris Taylor contributed to the book Freddie Mercury: This is the Real Life. He was Roger's roadie, but became good friends with Freddie over the years. There was no mention of that German "girlfriend" in the story he tells, however. I'm currently reading Peter Hince's book. His observations of the United States and American culture are HILARIOUS. There are tidbits about the members of the band, but mostly the book is about his experience as a roadie. Thoroughly enjoyable. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 18.02.2019 18:59 |
I’m so happy to hear Phoebe is well! |
koala 18.02.2019 20:27 |
Thanks, Thor! It’s been fun talking to all the lovely people in this thread. I’m glad Peter is doing well and that you guys got to discuss the film with him. I very much agree about the lack of Freddie laughing and the formulaic nature of the whole thing. Having said that, it seems to have brought a lot of new (especially young) people into the fandom, who are now watching actual interviews/documentaries and getting to know the real Freddie, which is fantastic. Blenkolove, your story is adorable and a perfect example how the film is creating a new generation of Queen fans. DCQueenLuvr, thanks for the info. I really need to get my hand on that book. Totally agree about Ratty's book, it's great fun. He's also a really nice guy - I wrote to him after reading the book to ask him something and he replied the very next day and was lovely about it. |
Dustin Zimmerman 18.02.2019 20:40 |
For those looking for Chros Taylor's thoughts and comments on Barbara, you won't find them in a book and to my knowledge nobody suggested you would. To read what he has to say about it follow him on facebook. He's very vocal about her and Lesleg Ann Jones on there. |
Dustin Zimmerman 18.02.2019 20:40 |
For those looking for Chros Taylor's thoughts and comments on Barbara, you won't find them in a book and to my knowledge nobody suggested you would. To read what he has to say about it follow him on facebook. He's very vocal about her and Lesleg Ann Jones on there. |
Dustin Zimmerman 18.02.2019 20:41 |
PS excuse the typos in my last post please |
The Squirrelly One 18.02.2019 20:48 |
I missed the Chris Crystal Taylor question Dustin but I've seen his rants on Barbara too lol. Chris is fantastic about dispelling that awful "Barbara was a lover" rumor. He has posted about it many times on his facebook page and has never held back on correcting people about it. As Dustin said he is very active online but he is also very talkative to us fans at Queen conventions. Don't get Crystal started on Lesley Jones. He'll talk your eat off and rightfully so. Tabliod garbage, that woman. Glad to hear Phoebe is doing well! |
The Squirrelly One 18.02.2019 20:52 |
Ratty was sweet as well. When his book came out I had emailed him about collecting memorabilia (he sells Queen items he kept over the years) and he was kind enough to send me a signed copy for my brother on his birthday. It's been a while since I've read his book. It may be time to dust it off! |
Villiers2 18.02.2019 21:14 |
Hey Lee, sorry for the extremely late response but I finally got around to making a YouTube page for our Live Chats where we discuss Freddie topics and correct misinformation spread about him. I call it a sort of poor man's podcast lol. We just reached 15.5K followers listening on Instagram and YouTube is only a few hours old but at least people can find our old lives somewhere if they don't have an Instagram account. We just completed a Jim Hutton live a few days ago with a nice audience of 13K viewing it in a 24 hour time on Instagram so we're very excited to gather some info on the New York Daughters and give them an episode of their own in the coming weeks. I get swamped with messages about it any time I mention you guys, asking for a live on you two. They've really only heard of you as "Freddie's family in New York" from Peter's book and they're dying to know more. I don't think they know this blog on QueenZone even exists, which is a shame. I'd be more than happy to offer an episode and give the people what they want, and point them toward the book. Here's the brand new YouTube page link And you can always find us on our larger platform at Instagram.com/Queen_memes.kl |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 18.02.2019 22:32 |
Just watched the Garden Lodge tapes someone posted a few pages back (Thor and Lee you two are absolutely gorgeous btw). Who is behind the camera for the Christmas videos? I've heard it was Joe's boyfriend? I'm not sure of his name. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 18.02.2019 22:32 |
Just watched the Garden Lodge tapes someone posted a few pages back (Thor and Lee you two are absolutely gorgeous btw). Who is behind the camera for the Christmas videos? I've heard it was Joe's boyfriend? I'm not sure of his name. |
Dustin Zimmerman 18.02.2019 22:54 |
Yes Joe's boyfriend. Tony, according to Phoebe |
Fastidious&Precise 19.02.2019 01:00 |
I haven't posted before but I've been following this thread for a little bit and thought I'd chime in :) I'm in the process of reading books by people who were close to Freddie to get a glimpse of Freddie 'the person', not just the legend/showman. I have to say, I'm really looking forward to eventually reading yours, Thor and Lee! You seem like you were both true friends of his and would have a lot of great, meaningful memories to share. I actually became a fan after watching the film, but the more documentaries/interviews I watch, the more I realise there is a serious lack of his laughter/jovial/generous side in the film, as well as a lack of the great friendships he had. They made him out to have no real friends apart from the band (kind of?) and Mary. I also second others' posts about how heartbreaking the end of Jim's book is. I've just finished it and it was lovely reading all the very human, sweet and funny anecdotes, but the chapter dealing with his pain in his last few days has left me feeling so down and a little disturbed. It included details that I would have preferred not to read. But it's quite comforting to see that others are struggling/have struggled after reading it too. It helps to read about the good times he had with friends, which is why I can't wait to read about your memories with him. His energy and love of life really inspires me to live my life more fully and try to love it more. |
NotQuiteAShilling 19.02.2019 03:20 |
Welcome Fastidious&Precise! I also just finished Jim's book. Yes the end was tough. For me, so much love came through from Jim |
NotQuiteAShilling 19.02.2019 03:22 |
F&P I'm so glad that you have found that by reading the books and watching the clips that there was so much more humor and spark in Freddie, and so many friends than what the movie portrayed |
Freddienotfreddy 19.02.2019 06:22 |
To everyone wanting to read Jim's book, both of Phoebe's books, as well as Peter Hince's and the David Minns/David Evans book, I was able to purchase and download them all through the Kindle app at very cheap prices. |
Freddienotfreddy 19.02.2019 06:33 |
Katydyd5, I remember reading that post from Ask Phoebe. It goes to show, we all have insecurities we have to over come and just carry on, even world famous beloved beautiful rock stars! For me, I must say, I feel Freddie had the most gorgeous bone structure that made his face so beautiful and unique. He was aging beautifully, more handsome as he got older. |
Freddienotfreddy 19.02.2019 07:28 |
The Squirrelly One, I looked for Chris 'Crystal" Taylor on Facebook and could not find his page. Do you mind posting a link to his page or advise how to find his page, I'd like to follow him. Thank you. |
spiralstatic 19.02.2019 08:41 |
Just a tiny comment, but I'm glad you had a happy chat with Phoebe, Lee and Thor and that he'll write an intro for your book. Regarding the film - I loved it and thought it was done in the best spirt which moved me as I found the film's respect poignant, but I agree that it's a shame it didn't convey Freddie's wit, humour and enjoyment of life more. Obviously we are mere fans, but you need only watch a minute long interview with Freddie to make yourself smile as he'll be guaranteed to make some witty comment with a twinkle in his eye, to laugh and before you know it you'll have *caught the joy* from him and you'll be smiling too. :) |
DCQueenLuvr 19.02.2019 15:44 |
Villiers2 I enjoyed listening to your most recent blog/podcast and have subscribed to your new YouTube page. Is there any way to listen to prior blogs? |
SimonaFromItaly 19.02.2019 21:49 |
So, this thread finally convinced me to get social again, after several (happy) months away from Facebook and forums ^_^ Nice to virtually meet you all. Quick intro: I live in Italy, I'm 43 and I share the odd job with Dr. Brian May. No, I can't play any guitar: I'm an astrophysicist. I've always been pretty fond of Queen's songs, but - as it has been happening to so many - a new interest sparkled thanks to the Bohemian Rhapsody movie, which ignited an amazing rollercoaster of emotions and questions. Because yes, I did enjoy the movie (trying to ignore the pure Hollywood-style Freddie&Mary cheesiest parts), carried away by the songs and by the pretty impressive impersonations. But then no, my thirst of knowledge led me to read, watch, listen and thus discover how inaccurate many details were. And again yes, I accepted the fact that historical accuracy might not be so important in a movie, yet disappointment remains in understanding how the script chose to focus on the Freddie&Mary relationship and on a cherry-picked selection of aspects, getting to the point of inventing pretty unnecessary things and dismissing others. I can totally relate to the dilemma May and Taylor had to face. The film industry could as well have gone ahead without them, and things would have likely gone way worse, considering it is seldom respectful of the source material. Business is business. And how do you cope with someone writing about your own life, and the life of a person who represented so much for you and for so many people? It would be torture, to me. So, all in all, even taking into account the many flaws and limitations of the movie, I'm glad it was produced and I can see it has triggered the audience to perform a lot of research. Which is good. It led me here, in the end, where it is delightful to be able to read information coming from people who really were involved, and who don't feel the screenwriter's need to shape history into a staged story. I'm not a nosy person, and I have the most sacred respect for other people's private lives. I'll be very glad to read your memories, as I'm hopeful it will not be a kiss-and-tell book. It's just understandable that real-life friends of Freddie feel the urge to share their memories. It is a tribute, but also a way to shed light on facts they witnessed, and many others might have gotten wrong - or manipulated on purpose. I've already gone too verbose, sorry. Thank you, everybody here, for your precious time and contribution. I'll stay tuned, and I might even post a couple of questions. |
NotQuiteAShilling 19.02.2019 23:30 |
Welcome SimonaFromItaly! Did you work on the New Horizon Ultima Thule project? What an amazing accomplishment that has been! I for one have such conflicting feelings for the movie. On one hand I am so happy and grateful that it was finally made and has brought Queen, their songs, and Freddie back front and center where they belong! I also love that Brian and Roger were heavily involved (and Peter Freestone) to make sure it was done to honor Freddie and the band. (and Jim Hutton - yay!) I also love and respect the acting of Rami Malek and I love how he absolutely reveres Freddie and Queen. That being said I have a hard time watching it because of the portrayal of sad, lonely, drug addled Freddie. |
Katydyd5 20.02.2019 01:59 |
Welcome to the newbies who have been dropping in! It's wonderful to see that the film is bringing in more people all the time. Villiers, thank you for creating a YouTube channel! I set up an Instagram account but I'm still trying to figure it out, so the fact that you made a YouTube channel made your chats so much more accessible for someone like me. I listened to your first Live Chat and thought it was very informative and fun. I sometimes have trouble staying focused on audio presentations, but you kept the pace quick and interesting. I look forward to listening to as many as you can post. |
Villiers2 20.02.2019 04:48 |
Hey thanks guys! I'll be uploading more of them in the next few weeks. Every week we do a live, i'll have it recorded and uploaded within 24 hours (barring any tech issues). This weekend will be David Minns, I believe. I'm just awful with tech stuff, so please excuse the slow upload times. Also I know I wasn't the one being asked about Crystal but here's his Facebook: link To find his thoughts and opinions of Lesley Ann Jones and Barbara, you'll need to go back a year or two on his posts. Around the time that John Blunt channel 5 thing came out. He was pretty annoyed by the inaccuracies on that lol. He also talks about articles and interviews with Lesley about Barbara and tore into Lesley for the lies. If memory serves, she blocked him online. But then, she blocks anyone who confronts her about her lies on Freddie or any of the other celebrities she's lied about. |
DCQueenLuvr 20.02.2019 13:53 |
Villiers2, Thanks for the link to Crystal Taylor's FB page. It doesn't seem as if he's accepting any more friend requests or follows however. Is anyone else able to send a request? Also, will it be possible to upload any of your old podcasts to your YouTube channel, or are they lost for good? I'm looking forward to the one on Minns. :) |
Annie65 20.02.2019 23:14 |
Villers2 .....thanks for the You Tube link. I thoroughly enjoyed it and subscribed! |
Blenkolove 21.02.2019 00:48 |
SimonaFromItaly......Welcome!! And Greetings from Florida!! Sooooo....You're an Astrophysist, and a female to boot!!!! Girl, You Rock!!! Lol I hope you contribute to this forum....i am certain your inquiries and comments will contribute greatly to "Our Love of Freddie 'Quilt' " we are all partaking in here!!!! Have you ever met Dr. Brian May??? Do you have a Favorite Queen/Freddie song?? Book??? Interview??? Glad you joined....and so nice to Virtually meet you!! |
Rainbow61 21.02.2019 02:03 |
Hi Fastidious&Precise and SimonaFromItaly. Welcome to Queenzone! |
doughnut 21.02.2019 13:00 |
newbie here, although I have been lurking for a while reading all of the posts on this thread and the previous one dating back to 2017. Loved hearing Thor and Lee talk about Freddie with such fondness along with the other members of your group. So sorry that you both lost so many friends the same way. I was brought up with Queen in my life having an older sister who had their albums, in particular as a youngster the News of the World cover used to scare me. My love of their music kick started again after watching the film . Like many of you I started to watch videos of queen performing along with interviews At this point I became intrigued by Freddie as I couldn't relate the man in some of his interviews to the man on stage, his speaking voice was so lovely. Regarding the film I wish that they had shown the fun Freddie instead of someone who appeared lonely and sad and I wish that they didn't portray Freddie having AIDS in 1995 at the time of Live Aid. Since the film I have looked at many sites and I am unable to believe the hatred towards Jim , he is being called a gold digger, just a gardener and some believe he didn't have a relationship with Freddie at all. Then there are the ones that have hatred towards Mary because of how she treated the garden lodge family after Freddie's death. (I myself find this subject difficult as I feel Freddie would not have wanted them to have been treated the way they were,). I have read Jim's book and Phoebe's books and I took from them that the Garden Lodge family were very close but after Freddie's death they were disregarded . Such a shame. I also read Lesley Ann Jones book but thanks to this site I now know a lot of it is made up. However, I did see some photo's online of Phoebe and Jim at her book launch. I also noted from Peter's book that Barbara attended the Magic Show and was included in the coach that Freddie had arranged. You must have met her Thor and Lee. She did seem close to Freddie so it is a shame she has said the things she did after Freddie died. Anyway what a wonderful talented man Freddie was , I so wish he was still around today to see how much he continues to be loved . |
Katydyd5 21.02.2019 13:11 |
Welcome Doughnut! |
NotQuiteAShilling 21.02.2019 23:02 |
Welcome Doughnut!!! So glad you are doing the web searches to find the "real" Freddie! It's what I felt too after watching interviews - but we have it first hand from his friends Thor and Lee that he was a happy, funny, smart ass - LOL! Yeah the Jim vs Mary fights out there are CRAZY. I also find them upsetting since he clearly loved them both very much... Having lost loved ones myself in the past 5 years (too many!!) I can share this - people get REALLY REALLY crazy around death. I've had experiences of people acting in ways I never ever expected them to. It's heartbreaking. I know that everyone grieves in their own way but man it can be so painful. Then others just go numb (myself included) and don't (or can't) fight for themselves. I know Jim said that he would stand up for himself more if he could go back. But really, at that moment, we just are who we are... On a better note, Jim's friend was recently on social media saying that Jim and Mary made up - I think he said in 2000. I truly hope that is true. I have so much love for Jim and I hate the pain he had to go through being marginalized in addition to losing the Love of His Life... |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 21.02.2019 23:40 |
Hey Villers, loved your live today on instagram! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 21.02.2019 23:41 |
notquiteashilling: who is Jim's friend on instagram? |
NotQuiteAShilling 22.02.2019 04:51 |
Sweet - His name is Patric |
Rainbow61 22.02.2019 05:01 |
Hi doughnut and welcome to Queenzone. There have been so many new people coming to this thread over the past couple of months...it's great! As many people have already stated, it's too bad that Freddie's joie de vivre did not come out in the movie, nor the fact that he enjoyed many close and warm friendships. I am pleased that the film has prompted legions of new fans to learn more about Freddie and has reignited the interest in older fans. I love the passion that Rami brought to the role and the genuine reverence he has for Freddie. He is deserving of an Oscar and I will be wholeheartedly rooting for him at the Academy Awards this Sunday. In addition, I am beyond excited that Queen will be playing!!! @NotQuiteAShilling....Sorry to hear that you have lost so many loved ones over the past few years. That's really tough to deal with. I truly hope that Jim and Mary did find a way to reconcile considering how important they both were to Freddie. |
SimonaFromItaly 22.02.2019 15:25 |
To those who asked (quoting is not working on my device, sorry): no, unfortunately I have no part in any space exploration mission. They're the coolest things ever, but ground-based stuff is exciting, too ;) Brian May did achieve his Ph.D. here in Italy, though. I haven't met him, but If I'm correct he used the Italian "Galileo Telescope", installed on the Canary-Islands, for his research. Too bad I was not involved. Back to Queen and Freddie. One thing that strikes me when watching Freddie's interviews is seeing how uncomfortable he often looked. His shyness was perceivable; he seemed to need something to mask his nervousness - I guess that's why he smoked and drank so frequently during the interviews. The press can be horrible; I have myself experienced - due to my job, although I'm luckily very far from being famous - how often journalists can be trivial and pushy, and how frequently they like to bend the truth to their needs. I can only imagine how unpleasant most of such interviews might have felt to a person like Freddie, and how much he might have disliked intrusive questions. He seemed so self-conscious about his teeth. Which is something that really makes me sad. He was one of the most talented persons in his professional field, and a lovely human being as so many people have testified, so who the hell should have ever cared about the shape of his teeth? Anybody considering that as an issue to belittle him was simply an idiot. He was Freddie effing Mercury, anybody else should only have bowed their heads. I find it interesting how a rock star like him supposedly was a quite traditional person. If I'm correct, Jim Hutton described how traditional their Christmas gatherings were, and how much Freddie liked the old classics, when it came down to watching movies. He even said that Freddie was a convinced royalist. This testifies how different the stage persona and the creative artist can be from the private man. Human beings are complex and intriguing, it's fascinating. As for my favourite song... Well, this is a tricky task! If forced to chose, for sentimental reasons I'd go for "Somebody to love". It brings particularly nice memories to my mind :) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.02.2019 17:43 |
He seemed more relaxed when people he knew interviewed him, like David Wigg and Rudi. Those interviews are quite nice, as he calls them "Darling" and "Honey" and I feel like it's a better glimpse into the real him. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.02.2019 17:53 |
I am super impressed at how the main cast of the film now love Queen so much. They all have deep wells of knowledge and can name off what tracks are on what albums, they've seen every single youtube video in existence, etc. I appreciate that and I'm rooting for them. I also think Joe NAILED Deaky |
doughnut 22.02.2019 18:56 |
thank you for the lovely welcome, I was a bit nervous posting but having lurked for a while I noticed it has been rather lovely recently. I also have a soft spot for Jim after reading Mercury & Me . I was left feeling rather sad for him, it is clear that he loved Freddie and so loosing him must have been so hard especially as it appears to me that certain people in Freddie's life seemed to have wanted to brush their relationship under the carpet and continue to hide the fact Freddie was gay. What I also found sad was their relationship in public having to be hidden and therefore having Mary take on that role whilst Jim had to hang behind. I think he must have been amazing to have accepted this was the way it would have to be. When I read the part in the book where Freddie was messing him around it did seem like Jim came running back each time easily . I hope that he gave Freddie what for, especially when he caught another guy coming out of Freddie's flat. It did seem that Freddie could mess around but not the other way around. I do hope that Jim and Mary did make up as Jim said he made a promise to Freddie that he would look after Mary. Regarding Lesley Ann Jones....today I saw a blog where she claims she knows where Freddie's ashes are buried, who infected Freddie and that Freddie told her he had aids in Munich. I've also seen photo's of her posing with Brian so its all very confusing. today I have been listening to the Hot Space album which I like. Body Language is so not queen . I really like the live version of 'action this day' as Roger sings sections of it which work really well. I also received the Brain May book yesterday Queen in 3d. It has some lovely photo's in of their early touring days. |
Rainbow61 22.02.2019 18:57 |
@SimonaFromItaly. I agree that Freddie often seemed uncomfortable during interviews. For the most part, I think he considered them a tedious job requirement. Like Sweet said, the interviews with David Wigg and Rudi are pretty good. One of my favorite Freddie interviews is the one done by Mary Turner. Freddie is very relaxed and seems to open up more with her than with most other people. She even asks him about his birthplace. This is an audio only interview...but really interesting. link |
NotQuiteAShilling 22.02.2019 21:11 |
I actually quite like the interviews where Freddie is annoyed and gives them hell LOL But agreed, I also do really love the ones where he is relaxed and playful. The one with Dave Clark where Freddie calls himself "the word begins with a C" then moments later he says "Cherub" yeah right Freddie! I think Jim was completely secure with himself and didn't mind that he wasn't front and center one bit. Just my opinion of course |
koala 22.02.2019 21:12 |
Welcome to all the newcomers! Villers, I just checked the instagram page and I love it. Do you come up with all of the memes yourself? They're hilarious and exactly what I need in my life, so thanks. I completely agree about the interviews; It's quite amazing how different Freddie is talking to people he knows vs. random journalists. He's so much more comfortable in the former, and, dare I say - camper (in the best way possible, of course). The David Wiggs ones are my favourites, but the one with Mary Turner is also up there. I wonder if we'll ever get to see the full "the bigger the better" interview. For some reason I don't really understand, there are only bits available, and it's obvious there's more. The 1987 Wigg interview currently available on youtube is also cut, as I seem to remember hearing a longer version, but can't find it anymore. This one (in 6 parts) is also pretty good, although the quality isn't that great: link |
NotQuiteAShilling 22.02.2019 21:14 |
I have come to really appreciate Hot Space! And I guess I'm the only person on the planet that LOVES Body Language!! haha that's OK. DON'T TALK |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.02.2019 22:22 |
"Regarding Lesley Ann Jones....today I saw a blog where she claims she knows where Freddie's ashes are buried, who infected Freddie and that Freddie told her he had aids in Munich." Proof she's nothing but a liar |
Katydyd5 23.02.2019 03:35 |
NQAS, I tend to think Jim was secure in himself too, though that is purely speculation on my part. After all, Freddie is the one who did the pursuing early on, and Jim said in his book that at one point he told Freddie to choose between promiscuity or a steady life with one partner. I think had Freddie chosen to continue the lifestyle he was living Jim would have walked away. I'm not saying Freddie made it easy for him, I don't believe he did, but I think Jim was ok. Mary was always a presence, and sometimes Jim was in the background in photos, but I suspect he understood. Clearly she was part of a package deal with Freddie. I really liked when Thor (Lee???) told us how proud Freddie was to introduce Jim to them. |
spiralstatic 23.02.2019 08:24 |
Welcome doughnut and Simona. About interviews, I think Freddie was understandably wary of any press or interviewers and my personal impression is that he was easily bored. And it must be really boring to answer the same questions over and over again. These are reasons I have felt he wasn't a huge fan of interviews and, as such also can be a reason he was a lot more fine with it once (or if he already) felt comfortable with the interviewer. Also, you could never know what might be asked. It's like you're out of control of the situation, I guess?! Taking aside any personal feelings about spending time answering questions, in the early days Queen received a large number of less than flattering portraits of them (and especially Freddie) painted in interviews, so it is no wonder interviews wouldn't be Freddie's favourite thing, I feel. I love his interviews though: he has such quick wit and always makes me smile or giggle. It's so strange to me to think how much times have changed since the 80's. I was only a tiny child when Freddie left us, sadly, so didn't know Queen existed until it was all over - but as well as making me sad for for example never being able to see Queen live, I feel having grown up.... I mean I'm not that young, siiiiggghhhh, but having grown up since then it is so hard to comprehend how general views were and how the changed. I think a lot of Freddie's actions were also about protecting his parents though, not only for the public? |
doughnut 23.02.2019 17:08 |
I agree, he would have been protecting his family, I'm sure I read that the less they knew meant that there was nothing his family could say if anyone should come knocking. I'm in the UK and the british press at that time were awful , mind you they still are but not as bad as the 80's. Funny little story from Brian book going back to their 70's. Freddie decided to shave his chest for a photo shot with the band but afterwards they all hated the photos so months later they did another photo shot and this time the press commented that Freddie must of been wearing a chest wig. Brain's moral of the story is never to believe everything written in the press. |
Annie65 23.02.2019 19:08 |
NQAS—you’re not alone! I like Hot Space too. I like so many of the songs and it’s a good choice to listen to when working out because it makes me move...even when I don’t want to. I like Body Language well enough especially the bass line but I think my favorite is Action this Day. |
thundergod 24.02.2019 04:57 |
Geez, I have some catching up to do. I think I have gone back far enough. If I missed anyone's question, please ask me again. I am skimming the last five pages. Rainbow, it was so wonderful to speak with Phoebe the other day. It brought me back to 1980, the first time I ever met him. He is just as kind, friendly and upbeat as he always has been. This world needs more Phoebes for sure! |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:06 |
Rainbow, My favorite all time Freddie outfit was that yellow and white, absolutely smashing "frock" that Freddie wore in the Kind of Magic concerts in 1986. It was excellently reproduced in that wonderful Freddie home-made doll that we all saw. Darn, I'm blanking out on who made it...so very sorry, but it was and is outstanding! |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:10 |
Jo T. It turned out to just be a call on speakerphone. Good thing for that, because Phoebe called an hour early and I had no time for hair and make-up...LOL |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:12 |
Jo T. Ty's is not a restaurant, so to answer your question, Freddie would order a beer! Haha |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:16 |
FreddieNotFreddy, Perhaps Freddie went to a Michael Jackson concert in London, but he never spoke of it. All I know is that Freddie spent about 4 weeks in Los Angeles and part of that time was the defunct attempt to collaborate with Jacko. |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:21 |
Hey Mariag, The conversation with Phoebe was terrific but unfortunately, there was no publisher involved. Peter, however, confirmed that he will definitely write the foreword to our book! |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:23 |
Hi koala, Yes, I agree, the people here are so gracious and friendly. I love them! |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:28 |
Hey Viliers, Of course, I would love you to introduce your followers to this thread. I am sure I am speaking for Lee as well. I haven't caught your show yet, but am looking forward to finally tuning in soon! Everyone seems to LOVE it. |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:33 |
Thank you sweetandtender for the nice compliment but actually, I was at my peak around 1997. I will try to add the photo that makes me cry, because I don't look like that anymore... LOL |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:39 |
Hello Fastidious&Precise, A great Welcome to you! I look forward to hearing from you whenever you feel like it. |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:44 |
Hi spiralstatic, Oh yes, Freddie's sparkle, wit and sense of fun with his many friends were unfortunately not portrayed in the movie. Our book will correct some of that! |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:49 |
A BIG welcome to SimonafromItaly, So nice to have you in our group. Very interesting that you are an astrophysicist and of course, that you knew Brian May! That is amazingly fantastic. |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:51 |
Sorry, You did not say you actually knew Dr. Bian May. |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:53 |
Bian?...did my "r" get stuck?...lol |
thundergod 24.02.2019 05:55 |
Oh well, time for a doughnut. WELCOME doughnut, great to have you here! |
spiralstatic 24.02.2019 09:45 |
Rainbow61 wrote: linkListening to (the start of as I have to go out now) this Rainbow61. I've heard it before, but it's always strange to hear Freddie talk about how he hates Montreux at this point in time. Funny how fast things can change. I am not yet the age Freddie was during this interview, yet I feel my life (& me) shifts at a far slower rate than his did! Thor, woah, hot photo! Also, not that you should have prior impressions about anyone from a name or for any reason, but how you look there really fits with the name Thor! However at least as I see the world, how anyone looks is only a thing that matters at all before you know someone. (It shouldn't even matter then, but of course, before we know anything about someone, we see them and we can't help but form impressions, sort of sadly.) I never think for one millisecond about how any of my friends look, we're how we are inside. Once I know a person they could be an actual potato and I would love them just the same. We all on this thread feel the lovlieness of you and Lee. Even that you have created such a warm and friendly space on this forum is a beautiful (& impressive!) thing, for other threads in this place can sometimes be quite cruel. Thus, no need for tears or laughter say I: we all feel the beauty inside. :) OK, I feel I should ask a question. In fact I have two. Probably not very interesting, but oh well. I wonder if Freddie ever talked about his music with you - about writing or his creative process, or, if he didn't talk shop which I can imagine maybe he might not have, what kind of music he might listen to for pleasure/enjoyed personally? Of course, we all love Freddie's creativity most of all. And I use music in my work (in a very different way to a rock star, LOL - I'm a music therapist) and I'm always fascinated to hear any insight into Freddie in a musical/creative sense. Second question might be a bit personal, but I'm curious - I think we all know Freddie's taste in guys aesthetically, but I'm curious if he had a particular kind of person he was drawn to personality-wise or intellectually/interest-wise? Happy Sunday wishes everyone. :) x |
FreddieDarling 24.02.2019 12:14 |
A big welcome to all or newbies! Welcome, welcome, welcome! |
koala 24.02.2019 18:38 |
spiralstatic, good questions! I've also been meaning to ask something that ties in quite nicely with your second question: Thor, what do you think Freddie was actually after when it came to partners/relationships? Was it more about fun or was he ultimately looking for something deeper as well? I realize that this is quite complicated and probably changed throughout his life, but I'm interested to hear what your impression was, especially since you mentioned he used to confide in you about these things. I hope it's not too personal a question, if it is, feel free to skip it. |
NotQuiteAShilling 24.02.2019 23:05 |
Dayyyyyum Thor - hubba hubba! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 24.02.2019 23:24 |
SPIRALSTATIC...Music Therapist? Bravo. As mentioned before my degrees are in Music, and I most certainly knows what goes into that field. It’s more education, yet back in the day, they made less than teachers. My niece went to my college, and majored in it, but didn’t quite finish. Music Therapy gained reknown in the mid sixties. I’m sure that forms of it were around earlier, by teachers who just had that kind of big heart. Wanda Latham, a name very much associated with the start of Music Therapy brought the study to my college in the late sixties. She was one of my piano teachers. I would sit in a class of hers, on days when the class would take turns performing. (I’m getting chills thinking about it.). To see these challenged youths pride themselves in accomplishing a tune on a melodica was tear wrenching. Good for you. What kind of men did Freddie like. We know the body type, but my take was always that he needed sincerity, appreciation, and understanding. But most definetly, as with everyone in his life, as he made friends through the years, he did NOT appreciate the so called friends that took advantage of him. Gifts are one thing, but the back and forth that someone like him needs is mandatory. Joint appreciation and caring, and an all around good heart like his fit the bill. ALSO, I’m sure Jim gave him a run for his money; Jim, being his own man, and not just jumping into a relationship with Freddie because of his accomplishments. The composing process. I can’t imagine that the subject didn’t come up, but like we’ve mentioned before, we never kept a Freddie Diary of any kind. I’m a stickler for dates and the like, but I never felt compelled to keep notes. LOL. Good question! I HAVE mentioned that our friend Joe Scardilli was comfortable in critiquing Freddie’s choices when it came to dance/disco stylings. I have a Masters in Music, as I have mentioned, and I would NEVER have done that. Yikes. |
Blenkolove 24.02.2019 23:36 |
Tonight's the BIG Night!!!! Best of Luck to Rami, and the Entire Bohemian Rhapsody team!! (Minus questionable first director) Break a leg....Brian and Roger!!! We'll be watching and cheering you all on!!!!!!! |
Blenkolove 25.02.2019 01:04 |
OMG!!! WHAT A WAY TO OPEN THE OSCARS! TOTALLY ROCKIN'!! FREDDIE'S WATCHING, FOR SURE |
Annie65 25.02.2019 01:17 |
Best opening I can remember! Of course I’m biased and proud of it! |
Rainbow61 25.02.2019 01:25 |
Amazing way to start the Oscars! Watching Queen rock the audience, getting the crowd on their feet, and then seeing Freddie on the large screen.....that was pure magic!!!! |
thundergod 25.02.2019 01:56 |
The opening was remarkable and wonderful. Seeing Freddie on the screen made me shiver. Thank you to Queen for always paying homage to Freddie, the leader of the pack and the main reason for this enduring fame and success! WHY on EARTH was Deaky not reunited with the band for this awsome production...can you just image? |
thundergod 25.02.2019 01:57 |
imagine |
Jo T. 25.02.2019 02:52 |
I have a soft spot for John Deacon. He's an introvert and a family man. I wonder if he even saw "Bohemian Rhapsody?" Deaky wasn't even present - by choice - when the band Queen was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2001. Brian and Rog showed. I recall an interview I saw on YouTube where the interviewer referred to Freddie as the leader of the band. He corrected the interviewer immediately to the effect of "I am not the leader. I'm only 1/4 of the band." He gave equal credit to all of his band members. I respected his humility and modesty. |
Jo T. 25.02.2019 03:04 |
Lady Gaga's stage name is an homage to Queen's "Radio Ga Ga." She's a tremendous Queen fan. |
thundergod 25.02.2019 03:07 |
RADIO, we still LOVE..OVE, You! |
Rainbow61 25.02.2019 04:01 |
I have NEVER been so excited about an Oscar win as I was when I heard Rami's name announced as Best Actor. His humility along with his complete admiration and respect for Freddie won my heart. I feel like a win for Rami is also a win for Freddie. My heart is so full! |
Blenkolove 25.02.2019 04:28 |
WOOOHOOO! WHAT A NIGHT FOR FREDDIE, WHAT A NIGHT FOR QUEEN......WHAT A NIGHT FOR RAMI AND WHAT A NIGHT FOR ALL THOSE OODLES OF FREDDIE LOVERS ALL OVER THE GLOBE!!! LOVE YOU FREDDIE....MMMMWAH |
thundergod 25.02.2019 04:29 |
You Said It Rainbow! So exciting! i wish they had won best picture! |
mayqueen 25.02.2019 05:23 |
What an amazing night for Queen, for Rami, for Freddie and all of us fans!! Joyful tears are the best kind! Seeing Freddie on the screen, Rami's win and his speech. SOOO many emotions! We love you Freddie! |
Rainbow61 25.02.2019 06:11 |
This is where I want to believe that somewhere, somehow Freddie feels this massive outpouring of love. If there is such a thing as a cosmic smile, than I know Freddie's is the most beautiful right now! |
mayqueen 25.02.2019 06:52 |
Rainbow, I fully and with my whole heart feel everything you just said! |
doughnut 25.02.2019 09:31 |
Thank you for the welcome Thor.....I hope you enjoyed your doughnut ?? :) Lee glad to hear that Jim probably gave Freddie a run for his money, maybe that is why they lasted ? Fantastic news that Rami won the best actor Oscar......very exciting although don't hate me for this but I can't watch the performance as I just can't watch Adam singing Queen songs....I have nothing against Adam its just I prefer Freddie. I defo agree that Freddie is the main reason for the enduring fame and success. It was his stage persona that made queen. I imagine Freddie is smiling now :) Deaky just doesn't want to be involved in Queen performing now and I can understand that. He said at the start that without Freddie there is no queen. They say he took it very very bad when Freddie died and perhaps performing etc would just be too painful for him. It is a shame as I do have a soft spot for him. I love watching his dancing around on stage. I have a question for thor/lee.....when you came over to see the Wembley concern in 1986, did everyone go back to Garden Lodge after to party? Also you said in an earlier post that Freddie didn't go out with you all in the evening during your stay, I was wondering where you went, did you go to Heaven or similar and how did the London clubs compare to the clubs in New York during your hey days? I have not been to America but I would love to one day. |
CHEVYMAN 25.02.2019 13:36 |
I kind of figured it wouldnt take best picture home because of the way things were portrayed I think it couldve won if they had portrayed things accurately and included more parts of this beautiful mans life. |
Katydyd5 25.02.2019 13:54 |
I'll just echo everyone who has already weighed in on the Oscars. What a night!! From the fantastic opening til the very end, it was the most involved I've been in years. When that curtain began to rise and the WWRY beat roared out into the crowd, my heart swelled. As the night went on I began to believe they might really win Best Picture, so I was a little disappointed. But good for Rami! To have accumulated all those awards from Golden Globes to the Oscar must be such an incredible feeling. He's grown on me over the months since the film was released because he's always so respectful of Freddie and the band. I'm happy for him. As for John Deacon, I've read interviews where Brian or Roger said he is fairly fragile. I respect his need to stay out of this, but I hope that he's secretly thrilled for all of them. I did read an interview where one of his sons said he planned to wait until the movie was released on DVD and then watch it at home with his family. I hope he did, but we will probably never know. I feel sure Mary must have seen it too, and though I doubt we will ever know, I would love to hear her thoughts. |
spiralstatic 25.02.2019 15:00 |
Congratulations to all involved for the Oscars. I've not gotten to see anything from it myself yet, but I'll watch if it is on UK TV tonight. (Anyone know where/when it's on?)
Who could have anticipated such success a year ago? I don't know what Rami said last night, but I've appreciated that in his thanks for awards he's gotten so far he's always given a lot of warmly expressed praise and thanks to Freddie himself which has been lovely and has made it feel as though Freddie is part of this win too. And let's face it: Freddie IS the ultimate reason for these awards. :)
Thank you so for your beautiful responses Lee. I'll reply to the Freddie bit of your post first as I can't imagine many if any people want to read about my work, so just skip it everyone!
Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: What kind of men did Freddie like. We know the body type, but my take was always that he needed sincerity, appreciation, and understanding. But most definetly, as with everyone in his life, as he made friends through the years, he did NOT appreciate the so called friends that took advantage of him. Gifts are one thing, but the back and forth that someone like him needs is mandatory. Joint appreciation and caring, and an all around good heart like his fit the bill. ALSO, I’m sure Jim gave him a run for his money; Jim, being his own man, and not just jumping into a relationship with Freddie because of his accomplishments. The composing process. I can’t imagine that the subject didn’t come up, but like we’ve mentioned before, we never kept a Freddie Diary of any kind. I’m a stickler for dates and the like, but I never felt compelled to keep notes. LOL. Good question! I HAVE mentioned that our friend Joe Scardilli was comfortable in critiquing Freddie’s choices when it came to dance/disco stylings. I have a Masters in Music, as I have mentioned, and I would NEVER have done that. Yikes.I suppose in terms of what Freddie was looking for in a relationship, it is likely similar to everyone, but there must be an extra level of difficulty when you are famous for people to treat you like a normal person (not to say it is always negative - most people probably treat you very reverently and better than they would many people as well as the negative side: those who are there as they want something from you) but it must be just peaceful and lovely (& I fear all too rare) to be around people who only see you the person as you are - for good and for bad and don't care about anything else. I guess you two are amongst those who provided this kind of friendship for Freddie, so we all ought to thank you! I mean, I guess in music, mainly it is also nice to retain some of the mystery. I always think to analyse anything too far takes away as well as giving, so it is good in the end I think that we'll never know too much. Also, wow, Joe Scardilli critiqued Freddie's musical stylings to Freddie himself? How did Freddie take that?! Eeeek! Goodness, I can't imagine even supposing to do such a thing!! Oooff, gives me a cold shiver to imagine it! Lee Kathleen Nolan wrote: SPIRALSTATIC...Music Therapist? Bravo. As mentioned before my degrees are in Music, and I most certainly knows what goes into that field. It’s more education, yet back in the day, they made less than teachers. My niece went to my college, and majored in it, but didn’t quite finish. Music Therapy gained reknown in the mid sixties. I’m sure that forms of it were around earlier, by teachers who just had that kind of big heart. Wanda Latham, a name very much associated with the start of Music Therapy brought the study to my college in the late sixties. She was one of my piano teachers. I would sit in a class of hers, on days when the class would take turns performing. (I’m getting chills thinking about it.). To see these challenged youths pride themselves in accomplishing a tune on a melodica was tear wrenching. Good for you.I'm sure no-one wants me to write any more on this, but oh well, you can skip it! How lovely to read this, Lee. I actually didn't do a music degree: I'm not a brilliant musician. I did a maths degree, but had done grade 8 violin and 6 piano at school, volunteered in special schools & was lucky to be accepted to study music therapy at postgraduate level. I can't imagine what it must be like to do a music degree. I always hated playing in orchestras myself as I found them so cliquey and competitive & I was not one of the cool kids so I always felt everyone was laughing at me (& sometimes they very directly were!) and I never had much confidence in my ability to play and thought I was rubbish - I personally couldn't have coped I think in that environment so I imagine you must be a strong person to have trained so. Is it piano and voice you use? Have you used these in your career/life/work? I'm really lucky that I found an area where I could use music in my work in a different way and thankfully since in sessions I am only ever thinking about the other person or people there I never for a second think about what I am playing (or often just banging drums or singing something incredibly daft, haha!!) I think all the different trainings are a little different (in the UK there are two different training types) but I work with children with autism, pmld, visual impairments, in mainstream and a bit of work with adults. There's work in mental health, but I think I'd want to have done more psychology training (my course was only 18 months) were I to ever work in that area. And there's work with stroke victims and alzheimers (it is amazing how some people can still sing when they have lost all of their speech - I did a small amount of work in this area while training with people with early onset dementia, mainly in their 40's and it was so moving as a few people who no longer recognised their loved ones could sing entire songs. But I definitely didn't feel I had learned enough at the time to then know where to go further with this and use it helpfully for them) and all sorts. But everyone has the areas they're best with, and for me I think it is with kids. I mainly work for example with kids with no speech, encouraging communication, or with children with different emotional needs. It varies everywhere, which is also nice - I think I'd be very bored going to the same workplace every day! I feel very lucky to do it. I mean, of course, there are enough terrible days too as with any thing. And it is not a money maker. I am self employed & at most places for only a few hours each week and everyone of course tries to squeeze all they can from you, paying as little as possible, and with cuts in schools and at the moment special schools in particular, my work is often the first to go. I'm lucky if I make half what a teacher would in a year, though I do only work 4 days a week. Good job I'm not in it for the money. As long as there remains enough work to keep going it's fine with me. We'll see what the future brings. Anyway, sorry for this unrelated-to-Freddie ramble folks, but now you have a potted history of music therapy which I am sure you all wanted this Monday afternoon! NOT! Thanks again for your responses Lee. :) |
Katydyd5 25.02.2019 16:23 |
Spiralstatic, thanks for sharing more about what you do. I can see where music would benefit so many people through therapy. I've seen some videos/documentaries where people long lost to Alzheimers respond very positively to music. It's really kind of magical. Thanks for all you do to help those in need. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.02.2019 17:30 |
Thor that photo is GORGEOUS. You look like a model. And I'm sure you don't look much different. Bone structure lasts! |
CHEVYMAN 25.02.2019 18:27 |
Yes I'm a woman but his name definitely fits him he is a hottie.A lady can appreciate a good looking man nothing wrong in that. JUST KIDDING but yes he is goreous. |
FreddieDarling 25.02.2019 20:31 |
Well Done Rami Malek! The boy done good! Loved Queen's performance at the Oscars! Especially our lovely Freddie doffing his crown at the end! I wish theyd have included a couple of minutes of Freddie doing his "Day Oh", though. Would've loved to see all the luminaries and nominees bending to Freddie's will. Like they did for the 2012 Olympics. That would've been great. And, Thor! VERY buff, my friend! |
SimonaFromItaly 25.02.2019 20:51 |
thundergod wrote: Thank you sweetandtender for the nice compliment but actually, I was at my peak around 1997. I will try to add the photo that makes me cry, because I don't look like that anymore... LOLGorgeous pic! I've recently found old photos dating back to when I was 20, and I went numb with nostalgia, frustration and sadness for a few days. Then, pragmatism kicked back. Aging is unavoidable. The alternative is much worse, so... Let's enjoy life, with imperfections and all. The real enemy is boredom, so as long as I have a full (and fairly healthy) life, I'm fine with it. |
Anniebee 25.02.2019 21:14 |
Thor, you looked great then and I'm sure you look great now. Wasn't there a picture someone posted of you with a fan recently? I thought you looked great in that one too. I'm sure most of us would like to go back to how we looked 20 years ago, it's only natural lol. We actually watched the Oscars last night (something that normally does not happen in our house) and we were excited for the movie and for Rami for winning. I thought his acceptance speech was wonderful. @spiralstatic, I enjoyed hearing about your music therapy, it sounds like a great and fulfilling career. I have a friend who majored in art therapy at the medical school here and she's having trouble finding a job, the schools just don't want to fund it. It's hard enough getting them to keep regular music programs going. Every year the music teachers are telling parents not to let the administration make the kids think they don't have time for these classes. They say that kids who are in the music programs at school have better grades than those who don't and I see it firsthand with my girls. |
mayqueen 25.02.2019 22:46 |
Welcome to the new "faces" I see! Thor, seriously, you have to warn someone before posting a photo like that! Ye gads, just beautiful! From all the photos I've seen of you, you've always been a handsome fella, and I doubt that has changed, Beauty isn't only in the the physical, and your warm heart and shining personality will always make you lovely, no matter the age or passage of time. |
CHEVYMAN 26.02.2019 00:08 |
I agree he always has the sweetest most kind things to bring to the table. |
thundergod 26.02.2019 00:49 |
Thank you all for your compliments about the 1997 me...lol. But, please, let's bury that conversation for right now. I can just see it posted on the "Official Queen Fan Club" as proof that the only thing I ever really wanted was for this thread to be all about me and at Freddie's expense. If, back in 1980, I was considered attractive in Freddie's eyes, that first attraction, on both of our sides, kicked off the whole GRAND friendship that I and my three wonderful buddies, Lee especially, experienced for as long as was possible. |
thundergod 26.02.2019 01:19 |
Hey Spiralstatic, I absolutely loved hearing about your work background...are you kidding?, It is a wonderful, selfless expression of YOU. You may know that I was a Registered Nurse from 1981 through 2017. After three years of Pediatric Oncology, I wound up in Physical Rehabilitation dealing with Spinal Cord Injury, Brain Injury, Stroke, and related physical disabilities. Dementia and Altzheimers were unfortunately well represented in our patient population. In the area of rehabilitation in the U.S., there is a sub-specialty called Recreational Therapy. Apart from a myriad of other approaches they used for their patients, I witnessed the special beauty of music therapy. Of those who were able to, it seemed to be the therapy that produced the most smiles on the unit! This was unlike Physical Therapy, which often drew frowns and shrieks of pain (although, Physical Therapy was equally and critically important to their recovery or at least, their improvement). In other words spiralstatic, I am so proud to share your dedication to make a difference in peoples lives! I'm right with ya girl! Oh, and by the way, Freddie was very approving of my choice of professions. A few years later, Phoebe also became a nurse in the U.K. |
thundergod 26.02.2019 01:27 |
CHEVYMAN...Ha Ha, A big Welcome to our site. But I must say, CHEVY DUDE looks like a lady...LOL Please enjoy our special community! All the Best, Thor (and Lee too) |
thundergod 26.02.2019 01:31 |
Thank you mayqueen but enough about me... What do YOU think about me?...LOL :) Just Kidding, good to hear from you again! |
thundergod 26.02.2019 01:49 |
Hello SimonaFromItaly, You are so right, beauty is from within, not necessarily from the outside. Spoiled milk inside of a beautiful, shiny carton is not very appetizing once you look (and smell) the inside, after opening it. OK...honestly, like any other gay man, I really enjoyed those days of feeling "hot". However, using my own metaphor, I surely hope that no one finds spoiled milk when they want to get to know what I have inside of me, then and especially now, two and one-half weeks before turning 64...unbelievable, but how precious and lucky am I to be able to "Keep Myself Alive!" , |
thundergod 26.02.2019 01:57 |
Anniebee, My heart was racing after each win at the Academy Awards. Brian and Roger looking great. I personally don't mind Adam Lambert as long as they keep showing Freddie on LARGER THAN LIFE, screens, just as he actually was in person! Rami was great. I love his respect and appreciation of our Freddie, who is now HIS Freddie as well. And he is falling in love with the girl who played Mary Austin...how awkwardly interesting! |
thundergod 26.02.2019 01:58 |
Thank You FreddieDarling...you really ARE a darling! Hehehe. |
thundergod 26.02.2019 02:01 |
SweetAndTender, Aww shucks, you made me blush, which is good, because I lost my summer tan...LOL |
Anniebee 26.02.2019 02:23 |
Thor, Not a big Adam Lambert fan either but it makes me proud to see and hear that Queen are going strong after all these years. I swear I hear a Queen song every hour on TV commercials, it’s crazy how Their songs have remained timeless. Were you and Lee part of the group that watched prince Charles and Diana marry with Freddie? Did you guys ever watch any of these award shows like the oscars? Btw I don’t care what people say, that’s a great picture and I’m sure you’re more embarrassed by the praise than you are craving it. :) |
thundergod 26.02.2019 02:24 |
Hey my little Doughnut, Freddie did not go out to the gay hotspots in London in the '80s even though it was around the corner from the Garden Lodge. I am speaking of course of Earl's Court which, for all practical purposes, was the "West Village" of London.There was a big disco that was fun, called the Copa. Of course, the Colehurn was quite a curiosity since it looked like it was right out of Tudor England. My favorite bar in the area was called Bromptons. When the pubs oddly had to close at 10 pm and it was mid-summer and sunlight was still around, who would feel like going home? Brompton's would reopen after a slight pause at 10 pm after kicking everyone out, in order to begin charging a cover...LOL It stayed a happening place until 2 am. I discovered Heaven in the early '90s but of course, Freddie could not go, even if he had wanted to. |
thundergod 26.02.2019 02:29 |
Anniebee, this answer is SO boring, but we did not attend any special function for Charles and Diana (I wish we had) and we did not watch any award shows together. However, we did chat about them a day or so afterwards. |
NotQuiteAShilling 26.02.2019 05:30 |
Oh Thor you could never be sour milk! There is no way you could be faking being nice for this long. How long has this thread been going? 2 1/2 years?? Yeah you are gorgeous inside and out Rainbows I agree with you 100% - A win for Rami is a win for Freddie. Seeing Freddie up there in his royal attire - YES!!! But why the hell did they keep cutting to the audience while Freddie was up there ?! Agh that part made me cray cray. But it was great I saw the cutest meme today showing all the people helping Rami straighten his bowtie at the Oscars - then they showed ghost Freddie impishly making it crooked again - HA! |
doughnut 26.02.2019 15:45 |
Thor , thankfully London has moved on and now clubs stay open well into the early hours. I just wanted to say that whatever we feel about the file, at least it has brought Freddie and Queen to the forefront and brought in lots of new fans who are enjoying their music. I for one would not have taken time to find out about Freddie or download all of the queen albums if is wasn't for the film. I'm sure wherever Freddie is now he has a wicked grin on his face and is waiting for Brian and Roger so he can have a word with them about some aspects lol . |
CHEVYMAN 26.02.2019 16:36 |
Thor 64 isn't old that's still a baby I will be 46 in June where has the time gone. |
CHEVYMAN 26.02.2019 16:41 |
Dounut I agree with you totally I think he will have something to say to Brian and Roger at heavens gates. |
CHEVYMAN 26.02.2019 16:43 |
I Meant Doughnut. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 26.02.2019 18:23 |
Thor- honestly 64 isn't what it was when we were kids. It seemed like people 50+ were elderly, but now people take better care of themselves and look so much younger! |
NotQuiteAShilling 26.02.2019 19:43 |
Doughnut I agree on both counts! Thor - you and Lee are just young'uns! All this talk about age has made me realize how much younger you guys were than Freddie - I guess I assumed you were all the same age. Is that why he was "Mother" and you were the "daughters"? OK I feel dumb |
CHEVYMAN 26.02.2019 19:48 |
It does seem people look younger at older ages these days wonder why. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 26.02.2019 21:18 |
So fun to hear that everyone was on the same page about the Oscars. I felt like we all won a little something each time an award was given to BR. That final shot of Freddie after the opening gave me chills as well. Very special. I agree with everything thing Thor said about the bars of Earl’s Court. The last time I was there was 2007, and I can’t remember what might have closed by that point. It was too bad that Freddie couldn’t join us, but the special times we had tucking him in each evening were more tha special. SpiralStatic, thanks for introducing the world of Music Therapy to our band of merry men and women. What you are doing is very special, and the thank yous that come to you will mostly not be monetary, but oh so spiritual. Keep it up. Times are changing. Donut, was it you that asked about the evenings after the Wembley concerts? As far as I remember, after the first night, we all went back to the Garden Lodge, and Freddie had some people over. The second night there was a grand party at the Roofs Garden Club in Kensington. Jim talks about it in his book. As mentioned the elevator operater was naked, and artistically covered in green paint. On the ride up I was standing next to Brian, and his “look” of appreciation was priceless. LOL A great time was had by all. I trust we all went back to Garden Lodge to continue the party. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 26.02.2019 21:53 |
Chevy: aside from the amazing skincare and botox we have today, I think it's lifestyle changes. We no longer sit in restaurants and homes surrounded by lit cigarettes and people don't drink as much as they used to. People also drink a lot more water than in the past and we know about sunblock now. Based on how Kashmira looks and how Freddie aged prior to his illness, I think he would have aged spectacularly. |
CHEVYMAN 26.02.2019 22:04 |
I think Kashmira is beautiful I'm native American and 45 so most think I'm younger I wonder if nationality may have something to do with it.I thought 45 was old when I was 18 it's not so old now I'm 45. |
miraclesteinway 26.02.2019 22:14 |
Lee I was thinking about you today, despite me not posting on this thread for ages, because I remember you said something about doing a music degree. I don't know why in particular you came to mind but you did! |
SimonaFromItaly 26.02.2019 22:14 |
The Oscar night was very exciting. When the Best Actor winner was being announced, my heart was pounding frantically. Huge recognition for Rami, and well deserved. It does not happen everyday to be judged a better actor than Christian Bale, I'll tell you. It's impossible not to be curious about what John and Mary might be thinking of the movie and of the consequent hype. I had never paid much though to it before someone pointed this out in a previous post, but really... To be depicted in a movie without having any voice in it must be quite surreal. I'd like to know what they made of it. Back to Thorn and Lee (thanking them again for the time they devote to us!). This is a personal question, so of course feel free not to answer. I intend that Freddie's "inner circle" of friends and entourage was mostly composed by gay men. I understand there were several good reasons behind this quite natural choice, especially at those times and considering he of course wanted to freely be himself when away from the public eye. I just wonder if today's society is more welcoming (I hope so, as any stigma is totally nonsense to me), to the point that there is less need to build such a "safe circle", or if it is however common for gay communities to be quite tight. On a lighter note: did Freddie have any interest in the technology being developed at those times, besides - of course - the one employed in recording studios? I hope the language barrier is not making a fool of me; be patient if my sentences are a mess. |
FreddieDarling 26.02.2019 22:57 |
SimonaFromItaly your English is immaculate my dear! Have no fear there! My Italian starts and ends with ciao, Chianti, and lasagne! ;-) |
FreddieDarling 26.02.2019 23:05 |
Hey Thor, as a medical professional do you happen to know what blood type our lovely Freddie was? I ask this as I am a long time blood donor (since I was 18) and have almost 200 donations to my name (I was a platelet apheresis donor for a long time, too so I gave once a month , and even fortnightly during the gulf war crisis) so it's a bit of interest for me. I wonder even if maybe Freddie ever maybe (a tiny maybe!) received a unit of my blood. I encourage everyone who CAN to give blood it's such a simple , easy way to give a little back to the world. BTW it was me who made that Magic Tour "frock" for my lovely faux Freddie doll. He gets a kiss every night and every morning. :-) Love him to bits. |
FreddieDarling 26.02.2019 23:06 |
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FreddieDarling 26.02.2019 23:06 |
Maybe that was too many "maybe's" !! Sorry! |
The Squirrelly One 27.02.2019 03:24 |
Villiers2! I caught your live earlier and even your no topic chitchat lives are fun! They're so popular and I see why. Thor we were chatting about you today and I for one would love to see you chat with Villiers on her live at least once please! Everyone is so interested in you when she brings you up and I think even a 15 minute segment would be a blast to watch! From what I've seen she promotes it a few days before doing the live so people can make room in their day for it and I must say I joined in on her Paul Prenter live and it was filled with people. She has a huge following and shes a real firecracker on there. She keeps us cracking up and she's a great source of Freddie info. If she did get you on her show and promoted it the way she does with her topic lives I have no doubt your show would be the highest viewed. I'd join in for sure! As Freddie would say "Thor! Do! Do! Do!" Lee too please! |
NotQuiteAShilling 27.02.2019 04:07 |
Thor I second the Squirrelly One - I have also been catching a bunch of Villiers2 lives on Instagram lately and there is SO much interest in you and Lee. Please Please Please think about joining her on one? The people in her lives are great Freddie fans |
Charlies boy 27.02.2019 04:18 |
I agree. I follow villiers too on Instagram and her Mary Austin episode was amazing. So much information and none of it was swayed by personal opinions or anything. She was very simply providing facts and direct quotes and I'll admit I'm not a huge Mary fan but Villiers gave an incredibly fair and unbiased informational live on her that blew me away. She doesn't tolerate rude or nasty comments while shes on a topic and even big mary fans on there were learning new stuff and loved her info. I saw the one about Freddie's relationships too where talked about Freddie as far back as St. Peter's boarding school and who he was then all the way up to Jim Hutton. She does her research for sure. I'm the third vote for a Thor and Lee sit down chat with Villiers! It would be huge promotion for you guys as well im sure of it. She's got like 17 thousand people that follow and watch her stuff. |
The Squirrelly One 27.02.2019 04:21 |
NotQuiteAShilling we have probably chatted on villliers lives in the comments before lol. Hello again! |
Stop The Madness 27.02.2019 04:28 |
4th vote for a thor/lee chat with Villiers. I had a pretty rude awaking listening to her stuff...when I first joined here I was considered a troll and acted pretty poorly admittedly. I stopped adding comments but never have stopped reading. Someone was talking about her lives weeks ago and I followed out of curiosity. She had an answer and source for every question I hit her with and I was given a new look at Freddie. She always ends by saying something along the lines of 'freddie's real story is so much more interesting than anything Hollywood or the tabloids can come up with' and I have to admit..shes right. I got the books she suggested on the kindle app and I would pay good money to see her chat with you. Please consider it. |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 04:48 |
Another vote for the villers chat with Thor here. I was watching one of her lives today and she said "Thor Arnold" once and some girl freaked the heck out in the comments lol. "THOOOOR!?! YEEEEEEES!" Others wanted to know who you were and when villers explained people went wild. You should join her Thor. She has a ton of people that take an interest in you and want to hear from you. She can reach thousands. |
Rainbow61 27.02.2019 05:59 |
I don't have an Instagram account and therefore have missed all of Villiers live chats. I did, however, catch the abbreviated Bo-Rhap: Myth Busting talk on Youtube and really enjoyed it. I hope more of those are posted in the future. |
St Pepper 27.02.2019 06:24 |
Yes pls do a live with villers. I will watch as well and it would be a thrill for fans of Freddie's to hear from you Thor. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 06:39 |
Hey all you good people, I love you all, although it took me a little while to scroll down to you..LOL! Thank you so much We would LOVE to be included in a Vliiers chat but we really can do nothing more right now. I want a book to sell, before I can chat about it. I, personally would rather write another book...it was way easier than finding a publisher. We got another "send more" and another "not interested" today. Yesterday we heard from a woman who claims she just got involved in a biography on Freddie Mercury and doesn't want more on that subject. HOWEVER, she said she MIGHT be able to use our photos Can you imagine...what freaking nerve. Why SURE Lee and I would just love to send you our pictures for somebody else F**KING BOOK. We were livid!!! That was worse than (not) dealing with a troll! |
stevendabudgie 27.02.2019 06:44 |
Hi Thor and Lee, as you Thor worked in the medical sector and both of you were living in NYC when the AIDS epidemic started I would like to ask whether you got in touch with organizations such as "Gay Men's Health Crisis" and/or "ACT UP" which were set up by the gay community in New York as responses to the the mayor's and president's neglecences in handling the epidemic? (To those who want to now more:.There are a couple of documentaries on YT, such as "Larry Kramer- in Love and Anger", a movie about author Larry Kramer who founded both GMHC and ACT UP, and specifically about ACT UP: "How to Survive a Plague") |
St Pepper 27.02.2019 06:47 |
Lol you're Thor Arnold the fans want to hear from you even without the book out. They want to hear about your friendship with Freddie and they want a chance to interact with you. I wonder who is trying to make a Freddie biography now. The only person who has enough information to make one that's still alive is Peter Freestone and he doesn't seem to have more plans to make another one. Great. Another 'biography' made by someone who didn't know him and get their facts wrong. |
The Squirrelly One 27.02.2019 06:50 |
As if you'd hand over the photos for someone else's book. The nerve of some people. I don't know about anyone else but I was hoping for a live with you just to hear you talk about Freddie? The book would be nice too but most of her followers probably aren't aware of it happening. They know of you from Peter's book and everyone wants to hear you chat about Freddie and the glory days in the 80's. |
Charlies boy 27.02.2019 06:56 |
If your schedule is too full Thor we understand. But just for the record we definitely would all want to hear from you on a chat with or without a book to promote. I was sort of picturing some type of casual conversation or a question and answer thing instead. You were a close and trusted friend to a very important man and his fans are hungry for stories and warm memories about him. Especially with all the new younger fans joining in from the movie. Instagram is were the young'uns are these days. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 07:25 |
Hey Stevendabudgie, Well Steven, I knew about those two worthy organizations but they were just starting up when we left New York in 1984. After 12 hour shifts, helping children who were mostly about to pass away due to cancer, I don't think I could have handled even more sickness at that time. President Reagan was horrible and unforgiveable when he would not even say the name of the disease, AIDS. As I've said before, we had the feeling in New York, that these Republicans were thinking to themselves, "Hey, this disease kill gays and Haitians...that's kind of good, no?. It's God's punishment to these deviants" Those are not actual quotes, but they might as well have said exactly that. |
The Squirrelly One 27.02.2019 07:34 |
I know you guys have a set date on when you'll go with self publishing with Amazon but I can't help but think what I would be doing in your position. I hope you dont mind my saying so but for me if I were you and the movie won all these awards, freddie is being made into vinyl pop figures (action figures), album sales are tripling, another tour is starting, his name is absolutely everywhere and they still aren't offering you a deal? I would take that as a sign from a higher power that it's time to go forward with Amazon. It just seems like an unusual response from publishers seeing as the demand for all things freddie is so high and you're offering never before seen photos. It should be what everyone is falling over themselves to sign. I know it takes time but he is in the highest demand ever since 1991 and people are dropping tons of cash to buy all things Freddie, and you're offering something nobody else has..and it's not being picked up. Something is off there and its telling me that means Freddie or the universe has another plan for this project. "Make it work for you, darling" (someone brought up that quote just today on villers live). Go on your own and make it happen, I say. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 07:46 |
Hey Sgt. Pepper, I wouldn't mind if they might, like me and Lee, but I am not interested in having a fan club.. unless there is a fan club for someone who could do a mean sterile dressing change and also do a great catheteriization!...LOL. We are ALL Freddie fans here...I was just accidentally in the "wrong" place at the right time..LOL, when I met a Queen in his own right! Move over Queen Anne (I did like your Oscar however). |
St Pepper 27.02.2019 07:54 |
Ha good one Thor Well I rarely join in here these days but I was active last year and got into Instagram recently and took a liking to it I'll check in from time to time to make sure I don't miss any possible chats in the future but would sure love to hear a podcast from you about Melina Good luck with the book |
thundergod 27.02.2019 07:58 |
Hey guys, We have a postponed engagement with a professional videographer who wants to do a taped interview with both of us. He is a well situated and quite talented friend of Lee's. We are not doing it for any money but for exposure. Unfortunately, that won't be until June now with the postponement while he is moving to London. What a bummer if most of his questions had already been answered three months prior. |
Rainbow61 27.02.2019 07:58 |
I always enjoy reading about other posters here on QueenZone. When people share their backgrounds, their occupations, how they became Freddie fans, it gives such a warmth to this thread. spiralstatic...your career sounds fascinating...such important work! Is there a particular category/type of music your students most respond to? It's quite fascinating that people can remember the lyrics to hundreds of songs, yet if we were to try and memorize lyrics without the music, it would probably be quite difficult. I'm sure there are areas of the brain that just "light up" when we sing or listen to music. Music is indeed magical. |
St Pepper 27.02.2019 08:01 |
Squirrelly odd I was thinking the same thing Perhaps it's a sign Best of luck either way |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 08:05 |
I would assume all his questions have already been answered here over the last year or two Thor lol. I can't really think of anything anyone could ask that hasn't already been answered here if I'm being honest. That's not a bad thing but the more fan time the better, no? Another no from another publisher? Frustrating. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 08:19 |
Amazon is a possibility, but I promised all the GoFundMe supporters that if we didn't have a legit publisher by April 30, 2019 and be able to deliver on our promise of a hard cover, coffee table style, book, that they could ask for their money back. Lee and I are very sensitive to this. We know how money among many (ourselves included) is hard to get. We don't want anyone to think we are stringing them along. Hopefully they will see us out, but a promise is a promise. We are both trying so hard to get that original deal realized. But, after April 30th, who knows? Amazon may be quite attractive. Many of these publishing companies tell you up-front that you may not hear from them for 12 weeks or so. Vanity Presses get back the very next day...hmmmm. |
Villiers2 27.02.2019 08:21 |
I don't know which one of you is farrokhsdreams3 on Instagram, but thanks for pointing me back here lol. I talked with Thor in the past about doing a live chat and he was kind enough to consider it. He did tell me about Lee's friend the videographer who wanted to interview them for YouTube, I believe. My understanding was that if they felt they wanted to take part, it would be something they would consider after said video was made. I don't want them to feel pressured into doing anything, especially because it was originally offered to them as free promotion they probably don't even need tbh, and a chance to talk with fans. In other words, it's not something they are obligated to do or necessarily need to do. It's just something for them to do if they so please. The live chats aren't going anywhere. The demand for a NY Daughters live is there but it'll still be there for forever and a day. There's no rush and if they decide to pass on it, that's fine too. The last thing I want for them to feel nagged into it, although I so appreciate everyone's enthusiasm and it's great to hear from @Stop The Madness, especially! Cracking up at that message! Thanks all! |
The Squirrelly One 27.02.2019 08:27 |
I wouldn't worry about the money Thor. You'll always have supporters and I'm sure people with a platform like villers will always be willing to offer more giveaways or cool prizes for more donations if needed. That's how sweet this fandom is! If it gets to be April and you need to go the self publishing route, those that would like their money back are free to it and any new goal you need can and will be made. You're not just Freddie's friend, you're our friend and we'll always have your back. Hugs! |
Invisible Woman 27.02.2019 08:27 |
Thor and Lee, In your opinion, why publishers are not interested for your book? |
The Squirrelly One 27.02.2019 08:30 |
Ps Ms.Villiers speaking of raising money, congratulations on getting Freddie's charity the hundreds you did with that giveaway yesterday. I gave what I could I just wish it could've been more. You're a peach! The warmth of this fandom and the generosity speaks volumes. |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 08:33 |
@IW I'm wondering the same thing. It doesn't make sense. You would think this would be the time a Freddie book with unseen photos would be at it's absolute highest demand. I don't get it. |
FreddieDarling 27.02.2019 08:41 |
Hi Villiers2 . Loved the 1 YouTube upload I saw of your live chat (which seems to have disappeared!) Will you be uploading any more? I can't seem to get the Instagram thing to work for me (plus. I'm in a different time zone) Thanks |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 08:42 |
Actually, I'm a follower of quite a few major artists who have passed on (as I'm sure many of you are) and there is a pattern that stands true with all of them. When they're thrusted back into pop culture and popularity again via movie, remixed record, etc, they skyrocket. Much higher than their average popularity. That last about a few months. With Freddie, the movie hype will die off after award season ends. Autograph values will drop a bit, demand will drop and bit and he will go back to the level of demand in pop culture that he was at 5 years ago. Obviously he's never been unpopular since his death, but you get my point. Once the awards end, so does the demand. In another few months he wont be the fresh new thing on everyone's mind anymore. Pop culture is a fickle thing. My fear is the book doesnt get picked up right now at the end of the hype and when it all goes back to how it was years before the movie....then what? Chances seem even lower. Not to be a negative person but I'm just sharing my concerns about a trend that rings true to every celebrity that has passed on. |
Villiers2 27.02.2019 08:48 |
FreddieDarling, the video is down while we edit for a more upscale look ;) so no worries, it'll be back up along with our Jim Hutton live in the next few days. I've been turned on to a cool editing app recently that can take our videos and make them look and sound much more professional and I like the idea of them all being uniformed on our YouTube page. Glad you enjoyed it! |
thundergod 27.02.2019 08:56 |
We are sending our stuff out to some who say they are LGBTQ friendly. Unfortunately these people are some of the ones who say we'll need to wait about 8-12 weeks. I DO believe that part of the problem is that many are so busy reading queries and proposals and they wish to proceed at an orderly "first come, first served" pace. Can't blame them for that as long as they conduct themselves fairly. Hey guys, I can't give you the names of who we have contacted so far, but if any of you have some spare time (LOL) on your hands, maybe contacting some literary agents (better than directly to the publishers) even if we did not actually query them, and making the "why not?" pitch might make them pay attention. Just a thought. It could possibly be a help or a disaster. These literary people seem to be rather High and Mighty.They have strict directions for what gets sent to them (and they ALL want different lengths, inclusions or word count limits .Professional writers probably know this and follow their requests to the limit. We are trying to do that. |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 09:06 |
Sorry Thor I want your book to get picked up that's why I have to say no to the idea of fans pitching to publishers. My brother in law worked for one in California and he said the most annoying thing writers would do is have friends or family call and pitch to them. He said half the time it meant they wouldn't even look at the book before tossing it in the "no" pile. He said "it comes off as desperate and forced and nobody wants to back a desperate book". You were probably joking about that anyway but just in case anyone took it seriously and stating shooting off emails to publishers they find on google Haha. No Freddie's name is big enough on it's own to gather attention. Let's hope one picks it up but if not self publishing is the way to go. I heard some rumors on Facebook about this being a scam and I shut it down pretty quick but people on there were taking issue with the money sitting this long. They felt it's already been long enough but I think the April date is fair. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 09:09 |
Oops, I withdraw this thought. Thank's Dustin for the info. |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 09:11 |
I can give him a call tomorrow and see if he has any tips if you'd like? I'll get back to you later with his advice. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 09:18 |
Great Dustin, I would appreciate that very much. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 09:32 |
Dustin, check your PM when you get a chance. No rush. |
FreddieDarling 27.02.2019 09:35 |
Hi I'm reposting this question as fear it may have got lost in the requests for Thor and Lee to participate n a live chat and those very odd long post which seemed to be an advert for something from Chipsotov ! And I'd love it if Thor could answer it, so I'm copy and pasting it again. :O).............................................. Hey Thor, as a medical professional do you happen to know what blood type our lovely Freddie was? I ask this as I am a long time blood donor (since I was 18) and have almost 200 donations to my name (I was a platelet apheresis donor for a long time, too so I gave once a month , and even fortnightly during the gulf war crisis) so it's a bit of interest for me. I wonder even if maybe Freddie ever maybe (a tiny maybe!) received a unit of my blood. I encourage everyone who CAN to give blood it's such a simple , easy way to give a little back to the world. BTW it was me who made that Magic Tour "frock" for my lovely faux Freddie doll. He gets a kiss every night and every morning. :-) Love him to bits. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 09:55 |
Ha Ha FreddieDarling,, Please forgive me for forgetting who made that captivating doll. And as I said...the outfit you made for your doll IS my absolute FAVORITE (or should I say FAVOURITE) of all of Freddie's outfits. Well, Freddie never had a reason to tell me what his blood type was...LOL..maybe only Mary knows for sure. He seems to be an O negative to me ...the Universal donor type. That would surely fit his personality! |
thundergod 27.02.2019 09:59 |
Also Freddiedarling, I could never donate blood because I had hepatitis B in 1974. BUT, I was able to donate my blood for the early work on development of the Hepatitis B vaccine. I'm pretty proud of that! |
Freddienotfreddy 27.02.2019 10:42 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan, I said the same thing a a few pages back regarding Freddie and aging. He had magnificent bone structure and beautiful skin and was getting more handsome as he got older. Peter Freestone mentioned that when he died, Freddie still did not have a single grey hair, even though his hair was thinning a bit. He was aging beautifully before his illness. |
Anniebee 27.02.2019 11:02 |
Thor and Lee did either of you go to a bookstore, find a similar book to what you want to make and see who published it? I’m still backing whatever you do, if it takes so long for publishers to get back then we’ll just have to wait. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 11:15 |
Not necessary Anniebee, you can find all that info by googling "Coffee Table Books" |
Blenkolove 27.02.2019 11:37 |
Lady Gaga's performance on the Oscar's was absolutely phenomenal.......it left me Gobsmacked!!! She totally puts ALL she Has into her performance.....Just like Freddie! As a matter of fact, when I had first heard of her a few years back.....i immediately was intrigued when I learned how she came by her name!! I can soooo picture in my mind....Lady Gaga and Freddie doing a collaboration or two Together!!!! Am I the only one to imagine this????? |
ragstomorerags 27.02.2019 13:17 |
It looks like my long post yesterday was eaten by the bot. GRRRR Anyway, I will catch up, and Thor and Lee I hope you can get that book out! We will chip in! I have been a fan of Queen since 10 years old with their first hits. So they were around even after I finished college. I have never really paid attention to FM's teeth. I had a pic of him taped to my wall along with some other Teen Beat idols. I had to get it out of a magazine and I cut the rest of the band out! (I was just a kid lol) As an adult, I appreciate the physical variations we all have. I am no dentist or ear, nose and throat specialist, but he may have had to have his jaw broken and reset or something along with dental work. I have a friend with the same issue and that's what she was told. She left it alone, too. I believe that if FM didn't have such a wide mouth, he would never have been able to project so far, it almost seems like in a stadium he didn't even need the mic. Who else could sing over BM's ear-splitting guitar and still be heard loud and clear? I maintain that this was the most talented, handsome and sexy man neck and neck with Prince, IMO. Clearly Prince didn't want to be 5'2'' either! |
Rainbow61 27.02.2019 13:30 |
SimonaFromItaly... Your English is perfect! In regards to looking at old photos: I think many of us have experienced seeing pictures from an earlier time in our lives and wondered where all the years had gone to... or we were struck by how much we had changed. As for me...I see younger photos and think, "I really should have worn sunscreen!" LOL But like Thor said, "how precious and lucky" we are to be here right now. Thor, any special plans for your birthday? |
CHEVYMAN 27.02.2019 14:15 |
That's awesome you could donate your blood for that research.They now have a cure for hepatitis c never thought that would happen.I hope some day they will have a cure for my disease it is very rare 2 in 100 thousand people get it so the only treatment is ivig therapy which is time consuming. |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 19:27 |
Thor brother in law spoke with his publishing company and got back to me with info. I sent you a PM. It all makes sense now the way he put it. Good luck. |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.02.2019 20:19 |
Thor sorry my message got cut off. Just an fyi so you dont miss a message, I sent you 3 in total today. All very important so please be sure to check them out. All the best. |
stevendabudgie 27.02.2019 20:47 |
Hey Thor, as Larry Kramer said: "AIDS is intentional genocide!" Activists not only attacked politiciancs, but also the FDA and NIH for their indifference and greed. With "contact" i meant whether you witnessed a demonstration or were handed a leaflet or whether they tried to recruit you. or your colleagues or friends. What I gathered form the documentaries it seems GMHC met some scepticism in the gay community especially before 1983 when many were still in denial and cause and transmission of "gay cancer" were still uncertain. There was a call for promiscous men to cool it downand stop having sex for a while. My mother was a nurse her whole life, so I have the highest respect for people like you, not everybody can deal with sickness and tragedy. |
NotQuiteAShilling 27.02.2019 21:22 |
We are all on Villiers2 lives - that's awesome!!! I am Wendelion or I think it's Wendelion178 on Instagram. Does anyone else what to share who they are on there? There is someone who goes by PaulPrenter who is actually hilarious on there I think Thor is saying that he and Lee don't want to share too many stories yet because the stories are going into the proposed book. Does this make sense? As in who will buy the book if they share all the stories before it gets published (I think?) which I can totally understand By the way Thor - I'm not worried about my donation/refund. It's sweet that you and Lee take it so seriously but I want my donation to support you guys getting the photos/book published somehow/someway I was really apprehensive about getting an Instagram account too Rainbows. I'm older and not great at computer stuff - but it was super easy. |
The Squirrelly One 27.02.2019 21:28 |
Who says they're hesitant to share stories? We have nearly 2 years of fantastic stories and warm memories from Thor about Freddie in his two threads. Thank to Thor I can practically picture Freddie's NY apartmentand with all the fun atories hes shared on here I almost feel like i was there myself. I'd imagine their book will be an awesome collection all these they've shared here and more. Arent we lucky! Good to see you here too from the live! I'd share my username but it's a private account of an old lady and I'm sure everyone would find it boring LOL! |
St Pepper 27.02.2019 21:31 |
It's taken me ages to read all the blog posts, both of them but its safe to say Thor has shared hundreds of great stories and memories with us between the two blogs. Truly loads of information and pretty cool The first blog had so many stories it could have made a book on it's own Yes we are very lucky indeed |
Killerqueenka 27.02.2019 21:36 |
Hi Thor and Lee, I have read this group for several days and I just want to thank you for your time and all the information. I very much hope your book will come out, I would definitely be interested in it. I'm glad Freddie had such good friends. I have been a fan of Queen and especially Freddie for a long time, and I have to say that Bohemian Rhapsody movie has quite disappointed me, specifically how it treats his sexuality and gay relationships and friends. It seemed like a very superficial fairy tale too, even though the music was great. I was very interested in your AIDS theme posts, what it was for you, what your experience of that time was. The history of HIV / AIDS is of great interest to me. I am very sorry for the friends you lost at the time. Otherwise, I am happy to read your comments about Peter Freestone. I'm from the Czech Republic where he lives now. In the Czech Republic, by the way, there are many Queen fans, and BR movie has been a huge success here; it is the most visited film in the history of the Czech Republic (since 1993), so far it has seen 1 544 048 people (Czech Republic has 10 million inhabitants). Just for the sake of interest, I'm sending a link to a Czech talk show, where Peter speaks Czech :-). Also, there're some your photos too, Thor and Lee (for example 3.25 in the video). link Sorry for my English. Once again, thank you very much. |
CHEVYMAN 27.02.2019 21:56 |
Your right the music was the best part of the movie hey should be ashamed for not exploring his life in more detail as far as relationships I pretty sure he had more than one and as far as the light flipping on and off why would they do thst.How do they know what he did if he did flip it on and of I bet there was a really nice looking guy there to help him.I believe it must have been a weight lifted off his shoulders embracing his new skin and getting rid of the old one .I know what being different is like I'm a really strange one I believe a person should love whoever they want I dont believe putting someone in a gay or straight category just do it love who you want. |
CHEVYMAN 27.02.2019 22:42 |
And whoever mentioned prince I was so in love with that man I had a purple birthday cake for my 12th bday because of that movie purple rain.i think Freddie liked him too cant blame him. |
Rainbow61 27.02.2019 23:39 |
Hi Killerqueenka...Welcome to Queenzone! Your English is great...I could very easily understand you. Thank you for the link to Peter's interview. I had watched it a long time ago, but it was fun listening to it again. I didn't understand any of it except for the names. I am quite impressed that Peter learned the Czech language as an adult. I tried to figure out what Peter and the host said to each other at the very beginning. It was obviously some kind of greeting, so I looked up Czech phrases. Did they say "Dobry Vecer". (good evening)? I couldn't put in the accent marks. Every time I see Peter interviewed he is so friendly and relaxed. I really respect the work he has done for HIV/AID awareness over the years. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 27.02.2019 23:47 |
I have a lot of love for Phoebe. He's a kind hearted person. |
thundergod 27.02.2019 23:55 |
Hey Rainbow, , On my actual birthday, March 13th, I probably will possibly have dinner with a friend in San Diego. Lee and I are celebrating BOTH of our birthdays (his is March 26th) at a very special Restaurant in Palm Springs on March 10th. I leave for New York on March 14th and I tell my relatives NOT to do anything for my birthday since I don't see them until March 18th, but they never listen. March 14th to March 17th I will be in New York City for St. Patrick's Day celebrations - it will be my 10th time since leaving New York City...I LOVE it! (This year St. Patrick's Day is celebrated on March 16th because March 17th falls on a Sunday and everyone is expected in church...LOL). I learned this lesson the hard way when the last time SPD was on a Sunday, I showed up, but nobody else did...hehehe. |
thundergod 28.02.2019 00:04 |
Thank you very much Stevedabudgie, I'm so glad you have a first-hand appreciation for nurses! Please tell your mom "Hi" from me. Yes, the early '80s were so crazy and unknown that many of us did try to keep it out of our minds or we could not have stood the doom of it all. |
Blenkolove 28.02.2019 03:39 |
Thor, ........didn't you tell us previously that you were to write a song about/for Freddie?? ....it's vague in my memory....but I think it was for a charitable project????? Sorry I don't recall exact details......the recall 'lobe' of my brain went to s*it after menopause!!!!!!! If so.......How's it working out?????? |
Blenkolove 28.02.2019 03:44 |
Previous inquiry segues nicely with Peter Freestone introducing A new song For Freddie by a Czech Artist on Instagram today. |
Jo T. 28.02.2019 04:00 |
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Jo T. 28.02.2019 04:14 |
Blenkolove, in response to your previous post, if Freddie was around, I CAN totally imagine a collaboration between Lady Gaga and Freddie Mercury! They're both so talented. I have no doubt they'd be friends, in mutual respect of each other's vast artistry. Besides Queen and Freddie Mercury, obviously, I'm also a Gaga fan. Have you seen the MTV VMA 2011 where Gaga performed "You and I" and Brian May accompanied her on guitar (link How about when Gaga appeared as a guest on stage for a Queen concert in Oz in 2014? She and Adam Lambert performed “Another One Bites the Dust” as a duet. I saw “A Star is Born” 3x and “Bo Rhap” 4x in the theatre. My sister and are headed to Vegas in June to catch Gaga’s 2 shows during her Las Vegas residency. Then, I’ll see Queen 0.5 in concert for “The Rhapsody Tour” in July when the band tours North America and stops in my metropolis. I can't wait! |
Jo T. 28.02.2019 05:18 |
Clarification: Brian May appears 6:20 out of 8:40, about 3/4 into the song "You and I." He doesn't exactly accompany Gaga on guitar. He plays a solo. |
NotQuiteAShilling 28.02.2019 05:19 |
I'm sorry - yes of course Thor and Lee have shared numerous stories on here and generously shared them to our delight!! My apologies!! I don't know why I said they were saving them for the book. Brain Fart |
thundergod 28.02.2019 06:37 |
Oh Blenkolove, , Unfortunately, I had to back out of that exciting deal. Not only have I never written lyrics before...but there is no time until while we still search for a publisher. What an honor though to have been asked! |
thundergod 28.02.2019 06:43 |
NotQuite, We certainly have not shared everything with you guys. There is plenty more. As I said before, all of this QZ activity over the months has allowed me to remember more. You will still be surprised, don't worry! |
thundergod 28.02.2019 07:08 |
Oh My God, Peter shows many of his pics of us. The first pic is a BIG Freddie and Lee. Then a long lasting shot of freddie and me in Los Angeles...wow. Thank you killerqueenka |
Rainbow61 28.02.2019 07:26 |
So Mr. McArnold...will you be going to the St. Patrick's Day Parade? Peter has talked about Freddie's birthday book...I'm sure you and Lee must have been in it. I seem to recall that Freddie took the birthday book with him when he traveled, which I find incredibly sweet. I wonder if Mary still has the book? It would be fun to look through it to see all the names he had listed! I love the stories about the birthday cakes Peter had made for Freddie because Freddie took such delight in them. Peter even devotes a couple of pages in his "Freddie Cookbook" to describing some of the cakes. So Thor, are you a chocolate or white birthday cake guy? |
thundergod 28.02.2019 07:37 |
Rainbow, Pineapple Upside Down Cake kinda guy. |
Blenkolove 28.02.2019 12:03 |
Jo T, Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on Lady Gaga and Freddie being an AMAZING duet team! I suppose if Freddie was still around in Gaga's time.....he may have included her in his adoration grouping of Liza and Aretha?? Thank you for link to MTV award video.....I had no idea she had already collaborated with Mr May and Adam as well. Seems like a natural combo!! And while I appreciate her true artistic talent, until i saw A Star is Born.....and then her Oscar duet with Bradley....i had never 'dug that deep' into the AWESOMENESS of Lady Gaga........I WILL NOW!!! I'M always a little late, culturally, to digging in to Fascinating, Authentic Artists.....but once I'm in.....I AM ALL IN!!!!! Unfortunately, it took me about 15 yrs after Freddie's passing to dig really deep into the Freddie/Queen catalogue!!!! However, I am so glad I DID!! And I began it quite a few years before the movie's inception!!! (That being said......The Ethereal Mr Mercury captured my heart from the moment in the early '70's I First heard Killer Queen on Q105 in Tampa!!!!!!!!.......It TRULY Was LOVE at first listen!!!!) I'm now so envious of your pilgrimage to see Gaga in Vegas.....I BET YOUR EXCITED!!!! Queen plus Adam are coming to Tampa in August....and I chose Not to buy a ticket......But I MAY regret that choice for the rest of my life!!!!! You have some GREAT shows to look forward to!!!! |
CHEVYMAN 28.02.2019 13:56 |
Hello Everyone I guess I need to introduce myself I dont mind giving my real name its Kendra and I'm 45 years old as you know my screen name is Chevyman that's really a funny story I was trying to come up with a name so my grandson is named Chevy and I just put man on the end.I thought that was a clever name anyway.So I just heard Peter's song it was beautiful alot of work went into it you can definitely feel his love for his friend and brother through those lyrics way too go peter. |
NotQuiteAShilling 28.02.2019 16:48 |
Thor - wow have a blast in New York for St Patrick's Day!!! Blenkolove - Q105 is a blast from the past - I grew up in St Pete in the 70's. Totally remember loving "Bicycle" and our softball team of course embraced "We are the Champions"! I totally think Freddie would have adored Lady GaGa. She was sooooo good in that movie |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 28.02.2019 17:36 |
I will never forget going to the Purple Room in Palm Springs a few months ago. The performances were so camp, catering to a crowd of mostly older gay gentlemen. We had an absolute blast until I got food poisoning! St Patrick's day in NYC is insanely fun. I'm from Boston and it's a very crazy day in that city as well. I know you'll have a blast with Lee! |
CHEVYMAN 28.02.2019 18:40 |
Thor I agree with you president Reagan was terrible I would rather someone say something straight out instead of beating around the busy.I was a kid back then what actually did he do concerning the aids crisis. |
CHEVYMAN 28.02.2019 18:41 |
I meant Bush not busy |
doughnut 28.02.2019 18:43 |
Hey Thor, March is a good month to have a birthday. My daughter's birthday is 12th March and she will be 11. I have been teaching her all about queen and freddie and her fav song is 'Don't Stop Me Now'. Lee, I can just imagine Brain's face in that lift lol......that party at the Kensington Roof Garden looked a riot! |
koala 28.02.2019 19:15 |
I agree with these latest sentiments about the film (I'm really sorry I don't remember whose comment it was – A LOT has happened in this thread since I was last here). Rami was great in it and completely deserved the Oscar imo. It's also fantastic that it has excited so many new people about the music. The more I think about the plot and the way Freddie was portrayed, however, the more annoyed I get about the whole thing. It made Freddie out to be a bitchy drug addict who broke up the band with his selfishness and ego, none of which is actually true, while also downplaying his kindness and sexuality. I find it interesting that Brian – notoriously sensitive about what is said about him – feels that this did Freddie justice. I'm willing to bet he'd be absolutely seething if a similarly fictionalized, “it's-a film-not-a-documentary” story of HIS life and role in the band had been shown. Not trying to spread any bad vibes, it's just that this has been on my mind lately. |
koala 28.02.2019 19:16 |
Thor and Lee, I'm sorry to hear another publisher bit the dust on you. As someone currently looking for a job, I can relate to the frustration of constantly reaching out and being ignored or rejected. Hold your head high, I'm sure someone's going to pick the book up sooner or later. And when it happens, the whole fandom is going to pounce on it – myself included! :) |
koala 28.02.2019 19:17 |
Villers, what happened to your youtube channel? Was about to watch the video on BR I’d bookmarked and it’s gone :( also, are the live streams available to watch anywhere else? |
CHEVYMAN 28.02.2019 19:47 |
Koala I agree with you on many points in the movie it made him out to be the only one that indulged and that's not true.As for the sexuality I think its gonna take that book getting published that may be his only voice.Women still want to believe he was a straight guy that loved and wanted a woman but from what I have heard and read he was a blessed man to have these guys who accepted him as he was.It wouldnt even help if one of his true friends spoke up because you know the press would twist things and that's what I believe would happen.Hopefully the book will get published and that will be the end of all this fighting over his sexuality. |
thundergod 28.02.2019 20:17 |
Well said CHEVYMAN |
thundergod 28.02.2019 20:22 |
Hi Koala, We have learned through trial and error, what to look for in a publisher and what to avoid. It makes it harder to find appropriate ones but Lee has been sending me some great leads after he researches what they are all about. And here is my constant complaint (I hope I'm not whining)...it takes a huge amount of time to get this done. Lee and I have become a better-oiled machine in our growth regarding this search. |
koala 28.02.2019 20:47 |
CHEVYMAN, absolutely. Apart from women who have the hots for him, there seem to be two other groups completely in denial about his sexuality that I've observed: 1) bisexuals who desperately want Freddie in their corner (although bi erasure is a real problem, it clearly doesn't apply here), 2) homophobes who simply won't accept that someone they look up to could have possibly been gay. In their minds, him being bi is somehow more palatable. Complete rubbish, but there you go. As for the book putting the record straight...I'd like to see that happen, but unfortunately, I don't think there's ANYTHING that could change some of these people's minds. I've even seen some people argue that Freddie was, in fact, completely straight, and his gayness was a publicity stunt orchestrated by Jim Beach...I wish I was kidding. |
koala 28.02.2019 20:54 |
Thor, I'm glad you and Lee have learned how to deal with the whole process better. I'm keeping my fingers crossed your hard work pays off soon. And you're not whining at all! You've been more patient than many would be in this situation, and I can only imagine how draining it must be to put so much energy into writing the book, trying to get it published, only to keep hitting brick walls. I hope the support on here is helping to keep your spirits up. |
thundergod 28.02.2019 21:17 |
Koala, I'd like to repeat the comment that was first told me by a wonderful QZ contributor a long time back and it has given me the patience to proceed, even when let down... "J.K. Rawlings was rejected by 50 publishers before she signed on with one." We are at about 18 with 25 more replies pending. Oh, and about 5 Vanity Presses offered us lots of money...to pay to them! |
Villiers2 28.02.2019 22:26 |
Koala, I responded to someone with the same question yesterday but no worries, as I know there was a ton of action here since then and it probably got buried lol. All videos are temporarily down while we edit to make them more uniform and will be added back soon along with the Jim Hutton one :) |
CHEVYMAN 28.02.2019 23:29 |
I think all adults can take something from the youth today they seem to be more accepting among each other than adults do.I think that's a different but positive change since the 80s .I was 14 dated the same girl till I was 17 we broke up I started dating my husband that I'm with today shortly after.But when I was in school I wouldnt dare let anyone know that was my girlfriend everyone thought she was my best friend we sure didnt show any affection at school.So yes i think we've came along way but there is still alot of changes that need to happen. |
Rainbow61 01.03.2019 00:00 |
Welcome CHEVYMAN! You are correct...today's youth, for the most part, are far more open-minded. Now many high schools have LGBQ clubs. At the high school I graduated from, there is a GSA (Gay/Straight Alliance). There was certainly nothing like that 39 years ago when I graduated. |
CHEVYMAN 01.03.2019 00:34 |
Koala I agree about bisexuals wanting him in their corner but I can tell them from my own personal experience he wasnt bisexual I guess if you believe in labeling someone he would be 100 percent gay.i know this because by experience i knew from a really young age i was different and if i were labeled i wouldnt be gay they would label me probably bisexual.But to me I dont want to be labeled not out of shame it's because I dont think I need to justify who I love to anyone and i think maybe in my opinion Freddie felt he didnt need to justify that either and be labeled .He loved a beautiful soul and his name was Jim Hutton. |
CHEVYMAN 01.03.2019 00:43 |
Rainbow They didnt exist when I graduated in 1992 either. |
Blenkolove 01.03.2019 01:08 |
Wow! NotQuiteAShilling.......A fellow QZer who knew the Tampa Bay Area in the '70's!!??.....I was born at Macdill AFB.....and my grandparents retired from Macdill and settled in St. Pete!! May I ask where you are located now??? I assumed from your screen name you were British????? When where you last in this area????? Because....BOY have things changed here in the last few decades!!!!! I find the Downtown Tampa skyline almost unrecognizable when shown from the blimp during NFL season!!!! I spent most of my youth jamming out to Q105....the discovery of FM radio and ALL THAT GREAT music from the 70's and 80's is just Sublime compared to what's available today!!!! Looking back..... I Am so glad that I grew up in the time that I did!!!! |
Rainbow61 01.03.2019 04:35 |
Lee, You mentioned taking piano lessons in college. Do you have a piano or keyboard in your home now? If so, what kind of music do you like to play? Did you ever play Freddie's piano in Garden Lodge? |
spiralstatic 01.03.2019 08:09 |
Oh everyone, I've been a bit busy these last few days, but thanks so much for all your kind comments about my work. I won't say any more, except Rainbow61 asked if there is a particular type of music people respond to. I don't play recorded music - we make music together, but occasionally I'll play songs (badly!) with some people if they love particular music or play themselves (I work with an older lady & since she was little her Grandma taught her to play songs with just one hand and amazingly though she has limited language, she can still pick up how to do this with any song. And she knows the lyrics to everything too - she's pretty brilliant! As is everyone I work with, all in their own ways.) but in terms of style, just like us all, everyone likes and responds to different styles of music and enjoys different instruments! :)
thundergod wrote: Hey Spiralstatic, I absolutely loved hearing about your work background...are you kidding?, It is a wonderful, selfless expression of YOU. You may know that I was a Registered Nurse from 1981 through 2017. After three years of Pediatric Oncology, I wound up in Physical Rehabilitation dealing with Spinal Cord Injury, Brain Injury, Stroke, and related physical disabilities. Dementia and Altzheimers were unfortunately well represented in our patient population. In the area of rehabilitation in the U.S., there is a sub-specialty called Recreational Therapy. Apart from a myriad of other approaches they used for their patients, I witnessed the special beauty of music therapy. Of those who were able to, it seemed to be the therapy that produced the most smiles on the unit! This was unlike Physical Therapy, which often drew frowns and shrieks of pain (although, Physical Therapy was equally and critically important to their recovery or at least, their improvement). In other words spiralstatic, I am so proud to share your dedication to make a difference in peoples lives! I'm right with ya girl! Oh, and by the way, Freddie was very approving of my choice of professions. A few years later, Phoebe also became a nurse in the U.K.What amazing work Thor, though I imagine both areas must have been very difficult too. I worked in a hospice for a little while and it wasn't a sad place at all, but it's always there even though I don't work in a hospice now: the knowledge that some of these children don't have long. That said, there was so much joy, it wasn't really a big thing. :) Thor and Lee has Peter Freestone given any advice about publishers? I even thought, you could even see if Brian May might back you in any way: brians.soapbox@clara.co.uk even if he may write a sentence just saying thumbs up?? I dunno. Sorry as these two thoughts are I'm sure completely naive and silly and I am sure you must have spoken to Peter about publishers at least. In any case, I am hoping one (or several - so you can choose the best) of the pending responses you await shall be POSITIVE! Let us all join in willing it so! Also, happy upcoming birthdays Thor and Lee. I'm a March baby too, in fact my birthday is today!!! I'm celebrating by chatting with you all! :D My best friend when I was little had her birthday on Halloween and with mine being St David's Day, we'd pretend we were both witches. :D |
thundergod 01.03.2019 09:18 |
Oh Wow spiralstatic, I hear you on the therapy part of helping to heal our patients. All therapy that I witnessed, yes even psychological support, gave people hope of dealing with their new, totally unexpected and strange, life-changing physical and mental losses. I always found that so rewarding. In Physical Rehabilitation, we always considered ourselves to be a team. The doctor seemed to be, at times, the least helpful of the 5 or 6 team members.but certainly not always (it depended on the doctor). Therapists and nurses, I can say, were ALWAYS team oriented and helpful.. |
thundergod 01.03.2019 09:21 |
Also, We had tried Phoebe's own publisher many months ago, but unfortunately, they said, "no". Contacting them twenty years later than Phoebe, could be a reason. I really don't know. |
doughnut 01.03.2019 16:36 |
Fingers crossed for you both getting a publisher, I for one am very much looking forward to seeing it. I do think there is a demand for it. Here in the UK Freddie is shown singing from the Wembley gig in an advert on one of the main TV channels. I get to see Freddie on TV every day singing 'who wants to live forwever' . Queen's music is also being playing everywhere too and a lot of their concerts are on SKY TV. Going back to the film my one bid gripe is that people are believing Freddies life played out as it is portrayed on the screen. I am in a FB group and someone posted asking 'do you think that Freddie visiting his parents with Jim before Live Aid is what made him so pumped up'. People actually believe Freddie would have taken Jim to see his parents before the gig. I know it is not a documentary but lots of people are not understanding that. It also really bothers me that 27 years later people are still trying to figure out when Freddie got aids and when he knew he had aids and then making assumptions about how is supposed to have looked on the magic tour. To me he looked really well on that tour and I thought his voice was fantastic. People forget that it was a massive stage area and he liked to cover it all. Another thing that bothers me is the assumption that Freddie left Munich because he knew he had aids and was hiding it. Phoebe says in his book that Freddie was tiring of Munich in favour of his new passion for Garden Lodge and Jim Hutton. I don't see how the stupid newspapers feel he became a recluse as he did Time and the magic tour in 1986, recorded the Barcelona album in 1987/1988 , the Miracle album in 1989 and so on. It seems the poor man wasn't allowed to calm down without gossip about his reasons. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.03.2019 17:36 |
I want to add that it may be a good idea to have a lawyer look over any contract that looks presuming, just to make sure they don't sneak in any legalese to screw you! My husband is an attorney and has that drilled into my head haha. |
doughnut 01.03.2019 18:16 |
Villiers I joined in on your live this week, it was good. When will you be doing another? |
Jo T. 01.03.2019 18:29 |
I graduated from a large university that has its own press. Thor, have you thought to be tap into your alma mater (link Granted, you may or may not have to add some scholarly work - maybe about the history of the gay scene in NYC - to your coffee table book about Freddie. Lee, I'm sorry, I have no idea where you went to college. Well, it's back to work. L is over. |
NeverTooLate 01.03.2019 20:25 |
Hello Thor & Lee, I'm jumping into the deep end in this lovely pool party you guys are hosting. I'm new to QZ, having joined in the last few weeks. I've read most of the posts in both of your threads but jumped the last 40 pages in this one. ;-) First, I want to tell you how happy I am that you both are still here in this life, healthy, and able to spread the love and joy to this and other communities, not only because of your prior association and friendship with beloved Freddie, but because you have sweet souls! I lived in SF from '83 to '01 but really wasn't paying super close attention to the gay scene (being a straight woman and then working a lot). One thing I've been doing as of late is immersing myself in the earlier years of the epidemic -- watching documentaries, reading more articles, understanding more of the politics and also delving into the science behind it all. It's because of my interest in Freddie's story *now* that I've been going in the wayback machine into some history archives. If you'll indulge, I've been compiling questions for you guys as I've read the thousands of posts on your threads; in the interest of efficiency I'll list them out in this one post. And please to the other QZ members, my questions are not intending to be insensitive or rude, but come from a place of learning and empathy: 1. Brian May talked about how Freddie "lost most of his foot" due to KS. However, this isn't detailed in any of the books I've read (Hutton's, Freestone's). Was part of his foot amputated? Or was this some kind of other treatment done? And if you know, when did such a surgery (whatever it was) occur? 2. Aside from Freddie's foot, what other things were causing him physical pain (if you know)? I read how he was on a few painkillers and suffered greatly and from a medical standpoint I was wondering what else was causing him discomfort and pain (besides the constipation you mentioned many posts ago). 3. I know Freddie had to wear a lot of makeup in his final years and had grown a beard for some time, to obscure the lesions as best he could. Did he wear makeup at home too (during your last visit)? 4. Did you know in June '91 that would be the last time you'd ever visit or see Freddie? And was he able to spend much time out of bed? 5. What was your goodbye like on that '91 visit? Any acknowledgement or mention from Freddie about this goodbye compared to any other previously? Or from you to him? 6. Did you still talk by phone after that June '91 visit? 7. How did you hear of Freddie's passing? (on the news? call from someone?) 8. Did you ever 'sense' Freddie around you after he passed? Any spiritual type things you experienced or could share? Okay I think I've probably worn you guys out with this post. Again, thank you for just being you and sharing your fun, poignant, and candid thoughts and memories. xoxo |
koala 01.03.2019 21:05 |
Thor, I love that story! Just goes to show you that many publishers don't actually have a clue about what they're doing when it comes to choosing books. Bet they're regretting their decision now lol. Villers, sorry, I must have missed your first answer. Glad to hear that the videos will be back and am patiently waiting for the reuploads :) |
CHEVYMAN 01.03.2019 21:34 |
Never to late Aids can affect you everywhere especially the nervous system which you know the brain plays a big role in the central portion of that system if its affected and the immune system attacks the nerves a person can develop painful neuropathy and fall and eventually become so weak they cant walk .The brain controls our movements I'm sure if he was bed bound he was experiencing some of these difficulties.When it hits the nervous system that can be very painful.I dont know about the foot. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.03.2019 22:12 |
From what I've heard it wasn't amputated. I think Brian's words were taken out of context. Both Phoebe and Jim stated he had either a KS lesion or a wound on his foot in Ibiza in 87 that just never healed and got worse and worse until he could hardly walk. Jim specifically stated days before Freddie passed he wanted to go downstairs and see his paintings and Jim offered to carry him and he declined and walked down the stairs barefoot, so yeah, still had a foot. |
Rainbow61 01.03.2019 22:44 |
A very happy birthday to you, Spiralstatic. I hope you are having a wonderful day!!! |
NeverTooLate 01.03.2019 23:05 |
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thundergod 01.03.2019 23:37 |
Hey doughnut, Thank you for all your kind words. I cannot answer anything about Munich because we were never there as a guest of Freddie's. The trolls are so destructive of the truth. Many still blame one of my good friends from that time period, John Murphy, as having given Freddie AIDS. It must have been an immaculate transfer of the virus! They like to think like this: John knew Freddie...he must have spread AIDS to Freddie...he was a flight attendant...he must have picked it up in Africa... he was patient zero...ALL MAJOR BS. Recently, someone who had never before contacted me, did and wanted to know the exact date and the exact year that I had relations with Freddie. I told him...wow what an odd question for your very first contact with me. Knowing what he was trying to do, I told him that I have been HIV negative since the first day a blood test was developed until the present day. I did NOT give Freddie either AIDS or HIV. What f'ing rudeness is displayed by these trolls! |
NeverTooLate 01.03.2019 23:53 |
>From what I've heard it wasn't amputated. I think Brian's words were taken out of context. I recall hearing Brian say the following on one of the documentaries: "The problem was his foot. There was actually very little of it left." That gave an impression that was perhaps inaccurate, but those were B.M's words at the time. |
thundergod 01.03.2019 23:57 |
JoT. I graduated Columbia in 1981. There was no research then, that I knew of, dealing with my own "deviant lifestyle." I was not yet comfortable enough to reveal it to my schoolmates .I supposed there was an opportunity to work with an AIDS patient in my Community Care rotation, but I know I would have steered away from it at that time. But, I did choose doing pre-natal care of a pregnant dwarf whose boyfriend was 6 ft 5 inches. Maybe I can put THAT report in our book...LOL. Thanks for the idea though. (P.S. JoT, the current bartenders at Marie's Crisis would know me as a cocktail waiter. I made drinks in the service bar area (no longer exists). I became an official bartender at a place called the Duplex which now is across the street, not two doors down from Marie's) |
thundergod 02.03.2019 00:14 |
Hey NeverTooLate, First of all, WELCOME to our thread! Eight Questions??? at once...hahaha. Well, I cannot answer your questions #4, 5, 7 because of this cliche...You will have to find the answers to these questions in the book....Sorry. A few people have speculated that we gave all the information away already on QZ, but the truth is, "no we didn't. Question # 1 is best suited for Lee as he witnessed this first-hand. I will answer the ones I can, very soon. Thanks for your patience. |
thundergod 02.03.2019 00:21 |
Off to work on the book now. I will check in with you tomorrow. Other than NeverTooLate's questions...if I have missed any questions or welcomes, please re-write or remind me to welcome newbies. |
NeverTooLate 02.03.2019 00:51 |
Thank you for the kind welcome! |
CHEVYMAN 02.03.2019 02:32 |
Thor and Lee I'm so very happy you and Phoebe are speaking after all these years friends till the end. |
Katydyd5 02.03.2019 03:51 |
Again, welcome to all of the newbies. There have been so many of late that I'm sure I missed a few. Thor or Lee, I did ask you a question a while ago that I'm still curious about. Did you guys ever meet Terry Giddings, Freddie's driver and bodyguard? I've seen him in interviews and he always speaks so kindly of Freddie. He seems to have been a very trusted member of Freddie's inner circle, and appears often in pictures obviously performing his job but also seems almost a friend. He is another one who evidences the loyalty Freddie inspired. |
Rainbow61 02.03.2019 05:33 |
Thor and Lee, Were there any special snacks or drinks that Freddie knew you guys liked and therefore made sure he kept in his NYC apartment or at Garden Lodge during your visits...like a bowl of M&M's or Chocolate Kisses? Oh wait...that's what Freddie would have had in bowls for me! Ha Ha....I'm a bit of a chocoholic! |
Rainbow61 02.03.2019 05:37 |
Welcome NeverTooLate |
doughnut 02.03.2019 15:04 |
Thor, I cannot comprehend how a stranger dares to contact you asking about Freddie and you . This implies to me that this persons is trying to get a timeline of Freddie's lovers and therefore trying to assertain if you are implicated in the HIV infection timeline. These trolls really upset me, I just don't get why people have to be so nasty and try to slander peoples good name for the sake of what.....Freddie isn't here anymore so they can't hurt him, only the people left behind. Honestly the shit I have seen on social media is disgusting!! I honestly feel if they have made the film and stuck to the correct time line and showed Freddie in a more truthful light it would have helped. People now more than ever are either on the side of Mary or Jim . Also if that flipping Lesley Ann Jones would stop spreading lies that would also help. People are reading her book and believing it. Sorry but it makes me so cross. I believe we should also remember something that Roger Taylor has said in interviews ' yes remember him for his flamboyance but also remember that Freddie was a fantastic musician and producer' and proof of that is in his songs that stand the test of time. rant over lol |
NeverTooLate 02.03.2019 19:25 |
Hello All! Hope you're all enjoying this lovely Saturday. I'm waxing a bit and contemplating: to me Freddie is an amazing icon. His being gay is only but one facet of himself. Not unimportant, but I believe his light would have been as bright and dynamic no matter what his sexual orientation or preferences were. He had natural, raw talent. He was his very own performance art piece--ever changing, evolving, emoting, exploring. He clearly had both masculine and feminine energy, like many humans do. He could nurture his friends and taking care of others, and he also had his own need to be taken care of, protected, and cherished. It all makes Freddie interesting. For any fan to deny Freddie's own truth and subvert it to project their own fantasy of a bisexual (or even a struggling heterosexual) Freddie onto him is to deny Freddie himself, a special, unique and beautiful human. At least, that's how I see the whole issue of "Freddie's sexuality." |
Rainbow61 02.03.2019 20:00 |
NeverTooLate, Thank you for your most thoughtful and eloquent commentary about Freddie! Nice job of capturing the essence of this beautiful and complex man. |
Blenkolove 02.03.2019 23:15 |
Very well put NeverTooLate!!! It is very often asked.....which Freddie do you like better??? 70's or 80's Freddie???? To which I have thought long and hard about!!! As with most love.....i just Love 70's Freddie with all my heart!! That's the first Freddie I was introduced to, the most Ethereal Freddie, the True Mysterious Freddie!!!! I absolutely Adore the 80's Freddie also!! .......i know for certain had Freddie Not changed, had Freddie Not grown emotionally, creatively, physically......had he stayed static.....he would not have been the musical genius that he So was!!!!!!! To pick only one Freddie to adore.......is to miss the absolute genius that Was Freddie Mercury!!!!! |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.03.2019 23:42 |
Hey Blenkolove! - I'm in Colorado. Came out here in '84 for school and never left. I haven't been back to the Tampa Bay area since the late 80's but I would LOVE to. I miss grouper sandwiches!!! I still have friends back there and I've been thinking about planning a trip back. Ha Ha no I'm not British. "Not Quite A Shilling" is a line from the song I'm Going Slightly Mad from the Innuendo album. I love that song and video! |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.03.2019 23:47 |
Speaking of the I'm Going Slightly Mad video I recently read something that I think was from the director (his name escapes me but he did a lot of Queen's videos) where he was talking about what a professional Freddie was. He did mention something about the entire bottom of one of Freddie's feet was basically an open sore but he didn't let it affect his performance in the video at all. Maybe that is what Brian May was talking about? Ugh I hate to even think about it....That song and video are a masterpiece in my opinion! |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.03.2019 23:49 |
Ah ha Thor you ARE saving some tidbits for the book! Good for you guys!! I do love your quote about JK Rawlings and the same WILL be true for you and Lee I KNOW IT! |
thundergod 03.03.2019 00:05 |
Hi Rainbow, Peter had enough stored (non-perishable) items to fit everyone's taste on any occasion. If not, he would just send our poor Phoebe out to fetch them. Phoebe always did the task with a smile on his face, unless he had been awake for over 24 hours but he would try. Bless you Phoebe! |
thundergod 03.03.2019 00:06 |
Thank you All for your support and many well wishes about our book. |
CHEVYMAN 03.03.2019 01:10 |
Never to late I have to disagree on one point I truly believe he loved Jim emotionally as well as physically he had found that missing piece he had been searching for all his life.He enjoyed sex with men or he wouldnt had pursued them but he just hadn't found that one he bonded to emotionally yet .I'm glad he did it was a love not understood to many that know his story thanks to the press but hopefully this book will be the light at the end of the tunnel.If he were alive today I think he would get a kick out of the fact everyone trying to figure him out.By the way he dated a young lady in college and she too said he talked to her about the fact he felt he wanted to be with a man so he just finally evolved through his music and biohemian rhapsody song if you listen to the lyrics it's there his masterpiece. |
Blenkolove 03.03.2019 02:05 |
Personally, I am so glad Freddie never took the role of 'Ambassador for Gays'........it just seems inconceivable to try and slap a label on him!!!! The absolute brilliance of Freddie Mercury was that he was who he was and lived it out loud, proudly and unapologetically. ....in PLAIN VIEW for everyone to see!! He hid nothing. He denied nothing......and for those who failed to see it.....he wrote it in ALL his songs for the whole world to hear!!!!!!! That is Far more Authentic than getting on a soapbox!!!! That's the Brilliant GENIUS that is and was Mr. Freddie Mercury!!!!! |
CHEVYMAN 03.03.2019 03:05 |
Blenko agree with you totally if a person just listens to his music it screams out loud I'm so glad he was an artist and had a way to channel his feelings it must of been like a weight was lifted.He even went on stage with a mineshaft tee shirt on didnt anyone pay attention and then they ask so funny.Beautiful spirit he was |
NeverTooLate 03.03.2019 03:42 |
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Freddienotfreddy 03.03.2019 05:11 |
Thor/lee: I asked this before, but it may have gotten lost, but I wanted to know on your last visit in '91 to Garden Lodge, did you see reporters staked out by the entrance? Brian and Roger stated that for the last 18 months of Freddie's life, reporters were outside Garden Lodge constantly, I was wondering how much of a disturbance did it cause on a day to day basis. I also wondered did you ever see Freddie's other home, Stafford Terrace? |
ragstomorerags 03.03.2019 06:14 |
NeverTooLate Your post is the first I saw and all I can say is 100%! And TY for explaining so well. Hello All! Hope you're all enjoying this lovely Saturday. I'm waxing a bit and contemplating: to me Freddie is an icon, full stop. Not any other qualifier needed. His being gay is only but one facet of himself. Not unimportant, but I believe he would have been as equally talented regardless of his sexual preferences. His brilliance in pursuit and exploration of his own musical and lyrical adventures is proof of his natural, raw talent. He was driven to music, to performance, to expressing his soul's desires, inner emotions through his lyrics, musical arrangements, and presentation. He was, in essence, his very own performance art piece--ever changing, evolving, emoting, exploring. It's a bit strange to me to try and contain him through the concept of absolutes. He clearly had a duality inside of himself, like many humans do: the masculine and the feminine, the ying/yang. He had a need to nurture (his calling himself "mother" and gathering his young male friends around him and taking care of others), but he also had his own need for strong masculine identity within or beside the feminine. It all makes Freddie interesting. He probably was attracted to women, meaning the emotional, feminine part of himself, as well as the inner child, wanting to have the kind of support that would come with unconditional love. *Not* a sexual attraction, but an emotional need nonetheless. So he was drawn to certain women as comfort and support. And his physical desires were met best (and ultimately solely) through his sexual attraction and pursuit of male lovers. Freddie was gay, but he wasn't *only* that, as people are complex and multi-layered. For any fan to deny Freddie's own truth and subvert it to project their own fantasy of a bisexual (or even a struggling heterosexual) Freddie onto him is to deny Freddie himself, a special and beautiful human. At least, that's how I see the whole issue of "Freddie's sexuality." |
ragstomorerags 03.03.2019 06:27 |
Hi Thor and Lee, hope you are enjoying this weekend. I have a question... It seems like FM had a crowd of screaming girls after him from a young age. This group of girls has grown exponentially to unimaginable numbers over the years, and a lot of us have followed him from almost the beginning. I'd like to know what FM and also the rest of the band thought of this. All the screaming ladies throwing various items onto the stage. Of course they love their fans, we buy the records, and still do. I'm leaving this question very general, just to see what FM may have mentioned or said the rest of the band mentioned or the others told you directly. |
ragstomorerags 03.03.2019 07:36 |
One more thing: I have seen a lot of tragedies in my career. I have never seen this mentioned, in and amongst the arguments about when Mr Mercury contracted HIV etc etc... To me, at the point he got sarcoma, KS, it was just not good. I am giving this man props for surviving for at least four years? or more with this type of cancer. That takes inner strength, that resolve, and some garnering together of physical strength to even get out of bed. Cancer alone is a beast, this man rallied against the worst of possible players. I have seen comments that he could have survived a few more years if he could have gotten treatment. But sadly, it had already gone beyond that. This man is so admirable to me. The only part of Mercury and Me written by Mr Mercury's boyfriend/husband, that made me cry and I am a stoic, is the part when Jim recounts Freddie muttering or something to himself while they were in bed and Jim asked what are you doing, and Freddie said PRAYING. That got to me. Of course it was painful and debilitating, and he had excellent doctors to counter that. The emotional part, he had his best friends around. The mental part, it seems he was trying to make peace with. For an ornery, moody Virgo, sure looks like he was a stellar man overall. |
spiralstatic 03.03.2019 09:45 |
Thank you very much for the birthday wishes Rainbow61. :) I can't believe someone would just contact you with so rude questions, Thor! Probably that person thought they might get some *scoop* and in their desire to do so, forgot about basic human decency??!?! *eye roll* Oh, this thread has taken rather serious turns, discussing Freddie's death and sexuality so. :( But while we're here, as I see it, I hope no-one's achievements in life are because of their sexuality. Mainly anyone's sexuality or lack thereof shouldn't & I hope to everyone doesn't matter. It's one (of many, to be fair) criticism of the film that has bothered me. Some reviewers have said that Freddie's creativity and Queen's success was entirely BECAUSE he was a gay man. For me, Freddie was extraordinary because he was Freddie. Which is not to say that his sexuality doesn't matter. He was a gay man and that was a huge part of his life and who he was. It certainly had input on his creative output, because of course all that we are and all that we experience does influence all that we do. And in the early years when Freddie was still discovering his sexuality and must have felt all manner of things, maybe music offered something solid and certain and that he could have control over in that time, I have absolutely no idea and wouldn't wish to assume. But I think it does a huge disservice to reduce anyone to one aspect of themselves. I don't think we can entirely talk about what Freddie did or did not say to the world at large regarding his sexuality, because in the time he was living he couldn't be fully open to the world at large - due to press and public perception and wanting to protect his parents. It is hard to think on it from our current 2018 perspective. EDIT because I just realised it is 2019, hahahaha!!!! In terms of everyone's emotional connections in life, emotional connections are not necessarily at all romantic and I would hope every one of us has emotional connections with people irrespective of a person's gender. In terms of Mary if it is really her we're referring to specifically, she must surely have been one of the few people who remained close to Freddie who had known him before he was famous at all? Correct me if I'm wrong. I sometimes reflect how weird it is that any new person I meet now in life will never know the me I was at any point before today. It's that thing where you can meet up with your best friend from school, say, and you might not have spoken in ages and you might not share much if anything in your current lives or know much about each other's current lives, yet you know each other in a way that makes it easy to be with each other - I guess because you grew up with each other. I'm explaining badly. I feel part of why Mary must have been important to Freddie was she knew him... well, before he became Freddie Mercury. I feel it may have felt (emotionally) important to have someone who had known who you were when you had nothing and were not famous at all. Such a person would surely see you, understand you and know you in a different way? I don't want to get into talking about Mary too much as I know people have polaraised views about her, though I personally wish I could shift this and that everyone would have love towards Mary and towards Jim, for clearly Freddie loved both of them: Jim romantically and Mary as Freddie's lifelong friend who he could trust and seems to have been able to share certain things with he couldn't with others (and I am sure equally there were different things he shared with others and not Mary, but it was Mary who was there for him in that different way.) Hmm.... I meant to just thank Rainbow61 in my response, so I don't know why I seem to have now constructed an essay. Sorry for any stupid things I have said in here, as I am sure I have said many stupid things! I feel particularly daft saying this stuff in a a thread with Thor and Lee as obviously they actually knew Freddie and yet I am writing something about a person who I obviously don't truly know at all in any way. I can only apologise and say I intend it all only in love. x |
NeverTooLate 03.03.2019 14:25 |
As yes, the topic of Mary... I read both Jim Hutton's and Peter Freestone's books. The way they described their experiences with Mary after Freddie passed is what I believe to be the other side of Mary. She wasn't very nice to the inner circle of Joe, Jim, Phoebe. It seems Freddie didn't know that side of Mary or perhaps she hid it well. In Jim's book I read she told Jim H. and Phoebe she didn't like Joe and that Joe "would never be allowed in the house again." Jim said she uninvited Joe from their small Christmas lunch. Jim said she also tried to get Phoebe to uninvite him (Jim) from the Christmas lunch by hinting that maybe Jim should just stay in Ireland when he went to visit his mom after Freddie died. Both Jim and Phoebe wrote that Mary told them to collect the gifts they gave to Freddie over the years because otherwise she'd be selling them off. In Jim's book he talked about the few occasions he brought Mary bunches of flowers after Freddie's death, even though she had been cold to him. It was his way of checking on her and willing to offer comfort. Because of reading what Jim and Phoebe wrote about what all took place and how they were treated, I confess my view of Mary was not an entirely positive one. |
DCQueenLuvr 03.03.2019 14:37 |
I read that a friend of Jim Hutton's shared in a forum that Jim and Mary mended their relationship in 2000, ten years before Jim died. |
doughnut 03.03.2019 15:36 |
NeverToolate this is my feelings for Mary also. Thor also said when he visited Garden Lodge shortly after Freddies death that Mary didn't come across friendly like she had been previously. My thoughts are that she tolerated Freddies gay lifestyle and friends because she had to but after his death , she didn't have to act anymore . I also found it strange that in an interview in 2000 she claimed phoebe, Jim and joe had deserted her and she claimed the remaining band members were jealous of what she had been left . |
doughnut 03.03.2019 15:36 |
NeverToolate this is my feelings for Mary also. Thor also said when he visited Garden Lodge shortly after Freddies death that Mary didn't come across friendly like she had been previously. My thoughts are that she tolerated Freddies gay lifestyle and friends because she had to but after his death , she didn't have to act anymore . I also found it strange that in an interview in 2000 she claimed phoebe, Jim and joe had deserted her and she claimed the remaining band members were jealous of what she had been left . |
Katydyd5 03.03.2019 16:04 |
I promised myself that I would not get embroiled in the Mary debate again, but I cannot believe that Freddie did not know the "real" Mary. That discredits and diminishes Freddie's feelings and his intelligence. Phoebe has repeatedly said that the issue after his death was the British probate system, and I believe that. I do think some hurtful things happened, but people often react in deep grief differently than they might normally. I also believe that Freddie was not unaware of the probate laws thanks to Jim Beach and either he or Jim could have/may have told them they would have to leave. He did provide all three men with homes, or money for homes. That indicates to me that he knew and they knew they would not be staying. I don't believe Mary waited decades to reveal her true self. Freddie knew her much longer than he knew any of the other people mentioned and I remain trusting of his judgement. |
NeverTooLate 03.03.2019 16:48 |
If Mary had treated the boys badly for a day or a week then I'd attribute it to the stress and grief of losing Freddie and being pregnant. But that's not what either Jim or Phoebe described in their books. I'm assuming the stories as told by Jim and Phoebe and others are mostly accurate and what I took away was each sounded hurt and disappointed. |
spiralstatic 03.03.2019 17:16 |
OK, I definitely didn't mean to begin a debate about Mary. I only mentioned her since a poster had voiced their perception that Freddie was drawn to certain women and I'd (I gather now incorrectly) assumed the implication there was Mary. I'll only say to people who have very strong views: you realise of course that you don't have Mary's side of any of the stories you recount. Of course everyone has flaws and does wrong things, but not everything you read will be complete truth and that doesn't have to mean anyone has lied. 10 people go to a dinner party (I don't know why I picked a dinner party as an example, haha - I have never been to a dinner party) tonight and they all recount their experience of the night tomorrow, you'll get 10 different stories as you get their experience and their perspective. In many ways the stories will probably agree but there will be differences and complete inconsistencies in what people say. No two people have the same experience of the same event as your experience is just that - your own experience. Also of course not everyone gets on with everyone else in the world which doesn't necessarily mean one of the people is a bad person. Freddie and Mary were close for over 20 years. I'm pretty sure that a) she wasn't pretending to be someone she wasn't for a full 22 years and b) Freddie had a better sense of her than anyone here. She has never revealed where his ashes are or anything else too personal about his life. This is the trouble: her name need just be mentioned and people get upset and angry at her. Anyway, since people feel as they do already, perhaps better to just move on from Mary. I'm sorry I mentioned her. |
Katydyd5 03.03.2019 18:13 |
No need to apologize Spiralstaic. We all know Mary is a hot button topic. I truly did mean to stay out of it, I should have known commenting would only prolong the topic, so I'm finished with the subject now. I'm off to see Hamilton tonight, though we'll be fighting some mid-west snow. It was spring here last week and we are right back into winter. I'll be so happy when the weather can finally make up it's mind. NotQuiteAShilling, I was happy to hear the origin of your name I'd always assumed you were British! I was listening to I'm Going Slightly Mad in the car today and I heard lots of phrases that would make cute screen names. Clever of you to find one. |
NeverTooLate 03.03.2019 18:18 |
Trying to understand the situation between Mary and Jim and Phoebe as described in their 2 biographies is not personal or something I intended to be personal. |
Blenkolove 03.03.2019 18:34 |
Hi All! Has Villiers done a Mary Topic??? She has a way of putting all of this in perspective. I am waiting for her YouTube updates!! I understand all sides of the Mary 'coin'.....but if true, I for the life of me can't understand how she 'lost' contact with Freddie's family???????? For some reason.. ...Death seems to never bring out the Best in people! For Villiers.......wouldn't chopsticks be Better for eating chips than a fork?????? Lol |
doughnut 03.03.2019 18:38 |
In agreement that it isn't personal just a viewpoint . I just can't help but feel disappointed at how things played out for those at garden lodge . I truly believe that Freddie would have been saddened to see how his family were treated at this difficult time. I feel it wasn't just Mary if I'm honest , I feel Jim beach had a hand in it too as an executor. We will never know but something was going on and those guys weren't welcome once Freddie had passed on. Obviously it would have been silly for them to stay on there for a,long period as they would have to have moved on |
doughnut 03.03.2019 18:42 |
Blenko!ove I think Mary became a bit of a reluse also she remarried so it's possible her husband didn't want the shadow of Freddie over their marriage and therefore she broke contact with Freddie parents . Who knows though |
CHEVYMAN 03.03.2019 18:45 |
This is just my opinion on Mary I think she played games with Freddie's head maybe he felt guilty for not marrying her but he definitely trusted her to do what he asked after his passing which she didnt do.She had one face toward his friends but I think deep down she blamed Jim and his other lovers for their split.I think what she has done towards the fans isn't very nice either but that just goes to show you who you can depend on.And it's a shame she turned like she did because his friends would've been there for her if she needed them.I can honestly say he had a good group of guys when he was in Newyork. |
Blenkolove 03.03.2019 18:47 |
.........not to be contrary.....But avoiding the shadow of Freddie would be impossible while living in His home........just sayin |
Rainbow61 03.03.2019 19:25 |
I spoke with a 70 year-old acquaintance the other day who mentioned she had seen Bohemian Rhapsody. She loved it and wants to learn more about Freddie. I also know a 17 year-old who loved the movie as much as she did. The 70 year-old is a multi-lingual, highly-educated, European born, world traveler…the 17-year old is a kid from an economically depressed, not very diverse, small town. That is the true MAGIC of Freddie…He still casts a wide net after so many years! |
Katydyd5 03.03.2019 19:43 |
Right Rainbow!! Freddie's appeal goes across all age groups and now so many new people are finding him. I'm often surprised to find older friends who are newly fascinated by the man, and it is often people I would never have guessed. I introduced my 5 year old granddaughter to him, and she likes a lot of the music. She saw a canvas print I have of him in my computer room that is from a concert where he was wearing his red and white striped shorts and she asked me why he had underwear on when he was singing on stage. It was the perfect opportunity for costumes- across- the years educating. |
Blenkolove 03.03.2019 19:58 |
On the flip side of that coin.....i just had a patient around 70 years old.....tell me she liked Queen......but assumed Freddie 'killed many with his virus! I IMMEDIATELY told her that he was nothing short of responsible once he learned he was positive!!!!!!! I am always amazed by people who choose to be ignorant. In case she was interested, i named off a few good books to read regarding Freddie's life. |
CHEVYMAN 03.03.2019 21:46 |
I can remember my uncle getting sick with the virus he kept getting bronchitis and they couldnt get rid of it so my grandma rushed him to dr one night because he coudn't breath they said he had pneumonia and was very sick and put him in hospital so they began running tests on him and he had AIDSt the type of pneumonia he had was associated with the new virus that was out and they told my grandma there was no treatment it was terminal .He lasted about one week and passed in the hospital in 1988.We all were so upset he didnt even look sick he was tall about 240 but he had that cold for a while and was complaining of being tired to his partner so after my uncle's passing his partner got tested and his test was negative .I guess the point I'm trying to make is noone knew they had it till it was too late so I dont think anyone is responsible for this terrible virus that has took millions. |
thundergod 03.03.2019 22:29 |
Hey Spiralstatic, You are, "Like a Circle in a Spiral, like a Wheel within a Wheel." ....LOL ! Credits: (Songwriters: Marilyn Bergman, Michel Legrand, Alan Bergman, "The Windmills Of Your Mind", Oscar winner for Best Song in 1969 and originally sung by Noel Harrison) Seriously, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on some major topics dealing with Freddie. The tender way you treated the subject was entirely admirable. Don't worry about not actually knowing Freddie in real life. Many superfans here know way more than I do or am able to remember about the man.Your thoughts are valuable here. |
thundergod 03.03.2019 22:49 |
Wow, NeverTooLate, Is this information regarding Mary what you deduced from Peter and Jim's books, or did you know Mary at all? I learned my lesson twice to stay away from this topic, but I appreciate your input. I witnessed Mary as a polite, smiling, extremely quiet, but a special and long-lasting, extremely close friend of Freddie's. I must admit, I did, get the feeling she did not want to deal with any of Freddie's gay friends, not even his long term housekeeper/chef (Joe), constant and loyal attendant (Phoebe) and lover (Jim). However, she was asked by Freddie to join us several times, which she did, but I am not quite sure if he had to drag her down to make a quick, polite, appearance for us. |
thundergod 03.03.2019 23:37 |
Well, I realize now that should have read everyone's comments before adding my own. I went from the last comment I made till the most recent. This topic will not end. After Freddie's death, I had reason to be in London with a friend of mine. I rang up Phoebe to see if he might want to get together. He did and introduced my friend for his first time at the Garden Lodge. He was also gracious to allow us into Freddie's bedroom which was, so far, left intact. He showed us the collage of photos that Lee had framed and had given to Freddie. It was on his night-stand.Wow, did I feel good despite being sad. Phoebe directly told me that he was not happy with this, his final week. He did mention some "unkind" things that he was put through. It was particularly bad for him when he "supposedly" was allowed to take the many items that Freddy had given him. After all, they lived in the same house for six years and Freddie loved to give gifts. Mary put a stop to this that last week feeling that the three guys were stealing from her and also hired security agents. Peter was not allowed some of the things he was entitled to keep. How would anyone feel about that! Freddie's MOST TRUSTED male worker and friend, being watched for potential stealing if not already, highly suspected. I am a BIG Phoebe fan and I must say that that last meeting with Phoebe in London, left a bitter taste in my mouth. Just think if someone, these days, said to any of us, off the cuff, "Oh, Freddie Mercury, he was overrated and perverted, I don't like him.." How would we fans think of that...Kinda warm and fuzzy? I think not! The woman should not be trashed but her methods perhaps need some apologizing for. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 00:13 |
Thor I agree with you Mary is a hard subject to discuss she has been so nasty to Freddie's fans as well.She let them write memories and messages on the wall to the property in his honor for years and then decides she no longer wants fans to leave flowers or anything so sad.To me she comes across as bitter about something.But on the other hand what really upsets me to treat the people that took care of Freddie so terrible in the home that they had lived in is to me uncalled for.Freddies death affected so many of you guys including the ones that cared for him.I couldnt sleep at night if I had done those things to someone that cared for the dear friend I loved. |
Blenkolove 04.03.2019 00:28 |
Has anyone seen the picture of Mary recently posted in a British magazine?? I found her unrecognizable and quite dowdy. Age doesn't appear to have been too kind to her........karma's a beyotch! |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 00:36 |
>Wow, NeverTooLate, Is this information regarding Mary what you deduced from Peter and Jim's books, or did you know Mary at all? I learned my lesson twice to stay away from this topic, but I appreciate your input. Hi Thor, This is my interpretation and understanding from reading Peter & Jim's books. I know no one involved in Freddie's life or anyone associated with him or Queen. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 00:39 |
Yes I have she is 67 so she has aged but she has gained so much weight I almost didnt recognize her.To me it really doesnt matter what a person looks like we all age but when you live your life with bitterness and hate in your heart it has a way of showing up on the outside. |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 00:46 |
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SM 04.03.2019 01:08 |
I've been following this thread since my wife watched the movie and started taking an interest in the time I worked for Jim Beach at Mary Austin's home. She told me she found this page and I've been reading with intrest. I don't remember meeting you personally Thor but my name is Shaun, I worked at the Garden Lodge after Freddie's passing as security on the grounds. I did get to know some of the guys living in the property behind the Garden Lodge. Joe and Jim in particular seemed very down to earth and my heart went out to them. I got to know Ms.Austin pretty well. The woman they had in the film was absolutely nothing at all like the woman herself but maybe she was different in the 70's? Granted she didn't know me as a friend, I still found her to be very cold, short with fans and just about everyone else when the cameras weren't rolling. When the cameras were around, she was totally different. It's very interesting seeing what everyone's views of her are having never met her. Joe once told me that Freddie had hid things from her in his life and said she did not in fact know the real Freddie. Jim said something similar, though I can't recall his exact words. Anytime I would smile or offer up a "Hello ma'am, good morning" she would glance over and nod or not acknowledge us at all. She never learned our names. I saw many interactions with her and the guys that lived behind the garden lodge and they were never friendly. Jim and Joe seemed to bend over backwards to get her to smile or chat with them and she was not interested. She just seemed cold. I made mention to Joe that perhaps it was grief making her do this and he said no that she had always been that way. I don't know Mr.Mercury's life story but I do know Joe and Jim were among some of Freddie's favourite people and I can understand why. They were kind gents. I was sad to hear about their passing. I was still chatting with Jim at 2000 and I don't recall him saying they buried the hatchet but I know he did visit her once or twice after he left London. However it was not Mary who called him as I remember. The other way around. Either way I hope they found peace because as someone who watched some of it, I can tell you she made a terrible mistake in the way she treated them. Mr.Beach asked us not to talk to the press while we worked there and told us what to say when asked after our contract was over. I told him once our contract was over, we wouldn't need to lie about anything. He seemed annoyed. I got the idea he wanted to portray a certain look for the garden lodge story in the press and it wasn't the truth. I figured it was probably about keeping the gay characters out of the spotlight. Thanks for an interesting insight into Mr.Mercury's life. This is all very cool to read. |
Villiers2 04.03.2019 01:20 |
Hey Shaun, I think I may know exactly who you are. Would you mind telling me your last name? You can private message if you feel more comfortable. Thank you for reaching out and talking with us! If you are who I think you are then you must have a ton of info from inside Garden Lodge right after Freddie's passing. Were you there when Jim and Joe moved out? |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 01:24 |
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Blenkolove 04.03.2019 01:29 |
Well...SHAZAM! Shaun, perfect timing!! Welcome! Please share more.....at your convenience! |
SM 04.03.2019 01:29 |
Hello. It's Matthews. Yes I was there when they moved away. I helped Jim pack up and he was nice enough to give me a few items. I had some of Mr.Mercury's items in my home for a few years before I had to sell. My wife had a very complicated pregnancy and the bills got to be very hard for us. I like to think Jim would understand. |
Villiers2 04.03.2019 01:35 |
You are who I thought you are! I actually owned 2 of the CDs from Garden Lodge that you sold. I followed your auctions lots for a while. Very cool! I'm sure Jim and Fredsie would both understand that. Have you still got some Garden Lodge items? How much did Jim and them get from Garden Lodge? |
SM 04.03.2019 01:39 |
Hello again. Yes I do still have some items around the house. Lovely to hear the items went to good homes. All of them were allowed to take the things they bought for Mr.Mercury according to Ms.Austin but Joe said she put a stop to that once she saw how much of her new home was actually going to be going back to them. They all got some stuff before she changed her mind. She had an auction house come in and value every item in the house shortly after. I have no idea if she sold anything or just needed value placed on it for some legal reasons. |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 01:46 |
I'm gobsmacked in awe! Of what? Of just how small a world it is and how people are brought together through the magic of the Internet. (And I say that as someone who worked in Silicon Valley during the dawn of the Internet.) I mean seriously, think about all these disparate but meaningful connections from and between people who otherwise might have never met! It warms my heart, truly. |
Villiers2 04.03.2019 01:46 |
I have actually tried to find you before (hope I dont sound too creepy lol) as I know you were close to Jim and I've seen the photos of the move out and you helping him out. I'm glad to hear you were also close to Joe. There's so much I'd like to know about Joe after Freddie's passing. I hope you'll be around to give us some more info when you can. |
SM 04.03.2019 01:54 |
Thank you. I don't intend to take the focus away from Mr.Thor and Mr.Lee so I'll pipe down a bit but I couldn't help cutting in as the topic seemed to be on Mary and the garden lodge right now and I thought I could give a bit of insight. I'm not really involved in anything Mr.Mercury related as I can't say much about him outside of what I saw happen after his passing. Not sure that would be of interest to anyone but my wife to be honest. Thanks for the welcome either way. |
thundergod 04.03.2019 02:30 |
Oh Wow SM, welcome my friend. This is blockbuster information. I am not sure how it will be received by some QZoners, but the truth is not always pretty. Glad to know you man, please chime in whenever you want to say something. Your bloke (or mate),, Thor |
thundergod 04.03.2019 02:36 |
Damn SM, What a thoughtful and genuinely nice guy you seem to be. Next time I can get to London, I'd love to look you up. Thanks, Thor |
thundergod 04.03.2019 02:42 |
My last time in London was unfortunately April 1992, so I missed out on meeting you. I'm sure Mary would have invited me in. |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 02:43 |
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Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.03.2019 03:07 |
Well now... I’m without a computer or iPad for three days and things got very interesting. LOL I have lots of catching up to do, and a few questions and comments. The good news is my computer tutor has my iPad, and is downloading all the book photos, in two forms, so I have what the publisher needs. I left the computer world after I drenched my lap top with coffee. It lasted for a few weeks but just died. They got everything off the hard drive, which cost me a couple of dollars, but now I’m on an IPad for the time being. Wirdto the wise. Do NOT keep a cup of coffee on your desk. Thor is coming this week, and I’ll need to name, catalogue, and register the photos to be copyrighted. Everyone tell Thor that he should let me use his computer without charging me to do this. LOL LOL LOL I’ll catch up tomorrow when I get the iPad back. Miss you guys. Welcome Sean!!!!!! |
SM 04.03.2019 03:24 |
Thanks everyone. I'm sure my saying these things may ruffle some feathers but I can do nothing but say what I saw. I hope Mr.Freestone is doing well. I can't say I was very close with him but it wasnt from lack of character on his part. He just seemed very busy and I had more time chatting with Jim and Joe. I tried to chat with Ms.Austin but she never seemed interested. Jim seemed like just one of the lads so we got on well. Genuine bloke. Joe seemed the most emotionally exhausted by everything and my heart went out to the guy. I know he felt a great deal of guilt for some things that were simply beyond his control. Jim dealt with his grief by chatting with us and with the fans. Fans camped out for days and Jim was always out there to put a hand in their shoulder as he said he knew the fans felt a loss too. Perhaps this is too much information (forgive me Seamus) but I found him crying on a few occasions when discussing Freddie. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that his sadness came from losing Mr.Mercury and not from moving out of the house. I probably should keep things quiet but I will say Ms.Austin did not rely entirely on Mr.Beach to have them move. She made it very clear to them that she wanted nothing to do with them. Jim was hurt by that as he said he told her as Mr.Mercury was dying that he would be there for her should she need him. I do hope they buried the hatchet but as I said, Jim never told me as much. Over the years our conversations stuck to his health his family and lovely garden. The house he and Mr.Mercury built together was brilliant. He told me it was just Mr.Mercury's taste. Nice chatting with you all. Best wishes. |
thundergod 04.03.2019 03:28 |
Leroy...his name is Shaun...like Shaun Cassidy...remember that partridge family youngest son? |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 03:45 |
SM glad you are apart of this discussion I hope noone catches wind of this I dont know who all checks in on these sites.I just feel he trusted the wrong lady and she had an unhealthy attachment to him and couldnt move on and took it out on everyone else.To me it seemed to be unhealthy in a relationship sense.Maybe she put guilt on him he was a nice guy and she was no innocent lady she was pretty clever and manipulative it seems.I think in the end she wanted him but she couldnt have him in the way she wanted very sad people still uphold her as being his wife .The Biopic told her story the way they wanted now it's up to people that knew his true story to give their account it's his only voice.It will piss them off who cares he deserves the truth. |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 04:34 |
In Jim's book (I really enjoyed reading it, btw) he talked about one night he was out walking shortly after FM died and on his way back to GL he found a young man sobbing his eyes out, at the GL wall. Just the one guy was there. He talked to him for awhile. Then he mentioned some woman got out of a car driven by someone, the woman was drunk off her ass he said, and she got back in and the person drove away, but then they came back and she got back out of the car and had brought Jim and the sobbing young man mugs of hot chocolate as it was a very cold night. Jim described how he talked to these 2 fans and how much it helped all of them. He said when he turned to go in and put the key in the lock of GL they were like, "whatttt?" Jim told them he lived there and then he brought them into the yard and showed them some some of the landscaping and they talked more and then the 2 fans left. Isn't that a sweet story? Sometimes the most kind acts are from absolute strangers, and sometimes the most heinous ones are from friends or acquaintances. |
Rainbow61 04.03.2019 04:56 |
Hi Shaun...welcome to QueenZone. There is a picture, taken outside of Garden Lodge, of someone helping Jim move a chair into a red van. Is that you? Sorry, I don't know how to attach pictures to my posts, otherwise I would provide the photo. I'm sure others know what picture I am talking about and can probably upload. I think the guy standing on the curb is Terry Giddings...but have never figured out who the guy moving the chair is. It could be just a friend of Jim's. |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 04:58 |
I applaud any truth that comes out even if it's not what people had hoped. I thank Mr. SM for sharing whatever observations he has. As for Mary's behavior, I'm sure we've all experienced or at least witnessed someone who acts one way around someone they see as important and a different way around people they think as unimportant to themselves. |
thundergod 04.03.2019 05:17 |
To me, NeverTooLate, your message seems to be ambiguous. Could you please clarify? I don't want to interpret it wrongly. |
SM 04.03.2019 05:36 |
I second Thor's comment. I'm a bit confused by your post. I can never claim to be important to Ms.Austin but I can't imagine anyone thinking the 3 men who bathed, fed and administered meds to Mr.Mercury were unimportant. Not to mention Jim seemed to be 'the one' for Mr.Mercury. Perhaps that's what bothered her. Who knows. It's one thing for her to dismiss me as I was surely unimportant to her (outside of protecting her and her home) but to dismiss the men who cared for Mr.Mercury at the end of his life? Sorry but knowing her personally or not I don't see much of any explanation for that. I was raised to believe you treat people with kindness. That didn't seem to be Ms.Austin's way. I'll leave it at that. Excuse me if I misinterpreted your comment. Just wanted to clarify.. |
Freddienotfreddy 04.03.2019 05:39 |
In Phoebe's second book, he goes a little deeper on the subject of Mary and Freddie's relationship. Phoebe says a big element of it was guilt on Freddie's side. He also says he thinks Mary stuck around so that when Freddie was done "with all that other business" (a direct quote from the book) she would be first in line for him to settle down with. Phoebe also stated that when Barbara Valentin came into the picture, Mary got very demanding of Freddie, since she was no longer the only female friend in Freddie's life and seemed to feel her place may be threatened. Phoebe also corroborates Jim's version of the way things went down after Freddie's death. |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 06:04 |
I don't mean to be ambiguous. My interpretation is this: It seems Mary considered Freddie to be important, and to a lesser extent perhaps Jim Beach. It seems she considered Freddie's friends, boyfriend, and employees (specifically Jim, Joe and Phoebe) to be unimportant in her life even though they were important to Freddie. |
doughnut 04.03.2019 08:24 |
Hi Shaun , thank you for clarifying what happened at GL. This is documented in Jim's book and phone's , infact Jim mentions you by name and said how awkward you found the situation. It's a shame but there are a portion of fans who refuse to believe this and instead berate Jim. I felt so sad when I finished his book and it did leave me feeling that Freddie would not have been happy to see the changes.I I'm so glad to hear to remained friends with jim. I also took from the book that Joe was a kind and lovely man. He was loyal to the end . Those three guys loved Freddie . |
Invisible Woman 04.03.2019 09:29 |
Interesting things in these few pages. I would ask a few questions. Thor - How did you conclude that Mary was so important to Freddie? Did he often talk about her in conversation with you while he was in New York? How many times did she visit him there? SM- I'm glad you decided to say something about it right here on Queenzone forum. Do you know what actually happened before Jim, Joe and Peter were moved from Garden Lodge to Mews? What was the reason? Thanks. |
SM 04.03.2019 09:43 |
It was my understanding that Joe lived in the property behind the Garden Lodge before the others moved in there. We were told that it was a legal step taken for the will but Joe also blamed himself for once forgetting to turn on the security system which set Ms.Austin and Mr.Beach off. It's not something either of them really discussed with us. Jim seemed to accept it for what it was but Joe was pretty guilt ridden about it. I think he felt he may have been the cause of the others getting pushed out of the nest as fast as they were. However I highly doubt they were going to be allowed to stay there much longer regardless. All of them seemed hurt by her actions but Jim and Mr.Freestone kept quiet about it in front of her and they certainly never chatted about it with fans to my knowledge. Joe was far more vocal about his feelings. All three seemed to care about Mr.Mercury a great deal. I believe they just all dealt with it in different ways. |
doughnut 04.03.2019 10:07 |
Blenkolove I was trying to find some positive in Mary breaking contact with Freddie's parents. Off course I forgot about her living in Garden Lodge. I saw an interview with Phoebe and Freddie's sister in which she was asked if she has contact with Mary, her reply was a very quick , firm NO. |
love2spin 04.03.2019 10:57 |
I believe that Phoebe was living in the Mews prior to Freddie's death. Jim and Joe were, I believe, staying in Garden Lodge. Also remember reading (unfortunately can't remember where or when) that Mary "ran into" John Reid (I'm pretty sure it was JR, but it MAY have been David Wigg) in London, and during the course of their conversation Mary said something to the effect of look who "won in the end." Gave me chills - not in a good way. |
Blenkolove 04.03.2019 11:28 |
Could it be as simple as Freddie felt guilty for becoming who he Really was while in a relationship with Mary. She knew and supported him before he became famous.....Fame required him to have a 'beard' for business purposes. Mary, willingly went along with it because she Never stopped loving him, and in her mind, he might one day return th Her??? And when he died before he could return to her....in her mind she blames ALL the people Freddie surrounded himself with (who he truly loved and bonded with)??????? |
doughnut 04.03.2019 11:47 |
blenkolove I totally agree with you. Be Gentle... it was John Reid that made the comment. Very odd thing to say as she hasn't won at all. |
junealloway 04.03.2019 11:54 |
Hello, I don’t speak very well english, sorry. (I’m French). Mary got the house and money? So, for her, she won. Maybe? |
junealloway 04.03.2019 12:04 |
I am new to the forum. I live in France. I really like your exchanges. But I am silent because I speak bad English. Excuse me. I really like Freddie and Queen. Thank you. |
love2spin 04.03.2019 13:31 |
Yes she "won" the money and the house, but she lost so much more - no contact with Freddie's friends or family for all these years. Have never been able to figure out her comment that Freddie's friends and the band were jealous of her inheriting so much. Why would the band be jealous? How could a person who was treated so wonderfully by "the love of my (her) life" ignore his family after he died so tragically. Want to welcome all the newcomers and thank all the long time contributors to this group. Everyone shares their thoughts and gives of their time so generously. Thor you really started something great, and now that we've gotten rid of the trolls and nastiness it's a pleasure (and a MUST) to visit every day. Thanks to all. |
DCQueenLuvr 04.03.2019 13:36 |
Hi junealloway, Welcome and don't be shy. Perfect English is not a requirement for participation. It is saddening to read about how Mary behaved towards Jim, Joe, and Phoebe after Freddie's death. In his blog, Phoebe wrote that the last time he saw Mary was in 2003. He happened to be in her neighborhood and rang her doorbell on a lark. She invited him in for tea and they chatted for three hours. Delilah even joined them on the sofa. He said they reminisced about the old days and caught each other up on their current situations. I think Mary's marriage had just recently fallen apart. In any case, it seemed that any hurt feelings or rancor had passed by then. Phoebe also said that before Freddie died he was fond of Mary and admired her loyalty to him. So, when she initially asked him to stay on at Garden Lodge as her personal assistant, he said yes. I'm not sure why she eventually decided she would not need him. Like Joe and Jim, Phoebe also mentioned that Mary did not know the REAL Freddie. I'm guessing he censored his language and bawdy humor around her. He did the same with his family. It was with his gay men friends that he could let down his hair. Phoebe said that he stayed in touch with Jim after he returned to Ireland and talked on the phone with him about once a month. Apparently Phoebe and Jim worked together at Selfridges years before Jim and Freddie met in a bar. Small world indeed. |
junealloway 04.03.2019 13:43 |
Hello Thor and hello everyone. You have a beautiful forum! Very interesting with friendly people! I really like the project of Thor and his friends. We don’t have a Queen forum in France. Have a lovely day everybody! |
junealloway 04.03.2019 13:51 |
Thank you for your welcome! I continue to read you. |
junealloway 04.03.2019 13:59 |
I don’t know Mary’s life now. She has children and grandchildren perhaps? I learned a lot about Freddie by reading you. He continues to live on thanks to all of you. That’s good. I’m glad of that. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 15:15 |
Blenko I think you hit the nail on the head I think she mentally never recovered from that relationship and she hoped he would stop his Male interest at some point and they would pick up wher they left off I think after he was diagnosed with Aids it forced her to have some kind of life and she finally had children and I think she blamed his friends that were gay for his death basically and him not returning to her.In my opinion I think the poor guy came to terms with who he was inside and felt relief and contentment with this.I also believe his parents like most parents wanted him to marry have children and get married to Mary I think this is the only reason he was engaged to her.IN MY OPINION HE WAS a honest man and came clean with her but still needed her for professional dealings I dont think as years went on he would need her that much because the world has changed so much and I think he would've came out.He would've never returned to her romantically because that wasnt apart of who he was if she truly loved him why would she want to change that. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 15:23 |
I dont mean Mary blamed his friends for his death I meant to say she in her mind thought if he wasnt in this lifestyle he wouldnt have contracted Aids which is stupid and BS .It wasnt his friends fault at all he was a grown man and like all of us he was enjoying himself that's truly a negative way to think if she did on her part.AIDS was like a tornado it may destroy one house and leave the other one alone.The virus may take one person but spare another.It was noones fault. |
doughnut 04.03.2019 16:00 |
Junealloway, your written english is very good, much better than any attempt I could make in French. Welcome. I guess we will never know why Mary behaved the way she did and at least here we are sensible enough not to turn this into a heated debate. It's been 27 years now and it's not really relevant now but I am glad that I have found some truths in her behaviour from this group thanks to Shaun and Thor. Phoebe did say in his book then following his visit with her in later years , his feelings had no changed. He explains that Mary is now trapped in the old life and perhaps needs to find a way of moving on like they eventually all did. I imagine she has has been in a lot of pain and sadness |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 16:17 |
Doughnut I agree she just never recovered. |
junealloway 04.03.2019 16:58 |
Hello and thank you, Donut. I agree with you and Chevyman on Mary’s feelings. But I saw pictures at Garden Lodge (OK magazine article, I believe). She was blossomed and happy. I thought she was living her life. It’s hard to forget Freddie. God, I like everything about this man! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.03.2019 17:18 |
Gosh so much has happened this weekend! Hi Shaun, it's a pleasure to have you here. You've confirmed my belief that Joe, Jim and Peter were good men who truly cared about Freddie. Hearing about Jim crying really breaks my heart. I did hear that Mary has the house for 50 years, and doesn't own it. Of course it's speculation and I'm sorry if I've overstepped my boundaries. I think what is so upsetting about the situation was that Joe was not a well man when this all happened. I can't imagine going through that while feeling awful. |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 17:19 |
Thor.....a quick question. The original video of, "Crazy Little Thing Called Love," there are 4 dancers, two men, two women. The blonde female looks an awful lot like Mary, is it? I can't really get a good enough look at her to tell for sure. Thanks! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.03.2019 17:22 |
ForFreddie: that's not Mary |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 17:28 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan..... thank you. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 17:28 |
The house is hers for 50 years but any money or royalties she keeps and passes on after her death.I believe she inherited half his estate not the entire estate.His sister draws the other half since her parents are gone.Those tabloids lie so much. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 17:33 |
She did make a chunk off the biopic guess that may be why she agreed with the script that was full of falsications.But that's on them it was their choice how they portrayed that relationship.It did well and made them alot of money.The music was good that's about all I can say . |
NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 17:41 |
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NeverTooLate 04.03.2019 17:46 |
For our new French Member, Mary had 2 sons with her boyfriend at the time (Piers Cameron). This was in 1990 and then 1992. She then got married to another man in the later 1990s and that marriage ended a few years later. |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 17:47 |
Nevertoolate.... thanks for the info. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 17:53 |
She no longer lives at garden lodge she lives around the corner from it. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 17:58 |
Dont know why she moved anyone have any ideas one of her sons still live in guest I think. |
koala 04.03.2019 18:02 |
Wow, talk about exciting developments! Welcome to the thread, Shaun, and thank you for sharing your experiences These first-hand insights are invaluable for us fans who didn’t know Freddie or his circle personally; each of them completes a piece of the puzzle, which would have otherwise been left to gossip and speculation. Thanks again for chiming in! As for Mary, I have to admit I’ve always tried to reserve judgement, since we don’t know the full story and fans are often eager to jump down people’s throat without real evidence. After reading all of this, however, I’m finding it hard not to judge her negatively. My speculation is that while Mary really cared about Freddie, she never got comfortable with his sexuality. She saw herself as his true love and the only one who could fulfill him emotionally, and regarded his gay life as a purely sexual diversion he couldn’t help but indulge in. She couldn’t accept that Freddie could form meaningful romantic relationships with anyone else, especially other men, and resented his gay circle for taking him away from her. She knew she had to tolerate it in order to stay in Freddie’s life, but as soon as he was gone, she wasted no time showing her true feelings. Sadly, It seems that the official Queen organisation is partial to this narrative as well, as obvious from the “saint Mary and the evil gays” storyline in the film . It’s just such a shame that people who were so close to Freddie and cared for him in the last years ended up being treated so callously by her. |
koala 04.03.2019 18:06 |
Welcome, junealloway! And your English is just fine :) |
doughnut 04.03.2019 18:20 |
Chevyman it is a big house for just her and her sons or just her if they have moved out. Perhaps she have moved back into the house she lived in before Freddie's death. She must have really struggled with Jim living at Garden Lodge as she couldn't escape how Freddie had chosen to live his life. In the past it seems Freddie lived outside of the UK and so she wasn't subject to it and could therefore turn a blind eye. What is interesting is Phoebe more or less says in his book that Freddie forego his friendship with Barbara for Mary as she felt threatened. He said that Mary got quite demanding. I would love to be able to like her but I felt for Jim when I read his book, he was in such pain. |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 18:41 |
I go back and forth on the subject of Mary. I would very much like to believe she was this nice, sweet caring friend of Freddie's....but I really can't, not 100 percent. I do, have to give her credit for not writing a tell-all book after Freddie's death. Still, it is my opinion, Mary felt betrayed by Freddie, hurt, sure, but, betrayed as well and, continued playing her part, biding her time, until she could get even. Sure, I do believe she careful for Freddie but, he kinda made a fool of her and, she wasn't about to forget it. I guess, in the end, she showed them all..... one of her comments, supposedly was....."I won." |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 18:52 |
But did she really win .What happened between kashmira and Mary does anyone know . |
DCQueenLuvr 04.03.2019 19:30 |
Chevyman, what makes you think Mary has moved out of Garden Lodge? |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.03.2019 19:33 |
Several people have stated she does not live at Garden Lodge. Not sure where that info is from. ANYWAY, back to the thread! Thor- was Freddie's NYC apartment decorated in a similar way to Garden Lodge? Did he have antiques there too? |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 19:46 |
I bet it was nice just like all his other places he had great taste.as for the question about garden lodge fans were putting candles out to celebrate and the keeper came out and removed them and said she no longer lives there.The keeper and one of her sons lives in the guest house.The keeper lives in the main part of the house.Maybe she just moved she is up in her age by now. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.03.2019 19:47 |
Chevy: Sounds like someone was lying because she sold the Mews guesthouse a few years ago |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 19:48 |
CHEVYMAN.....yes, I would say, she did win. She's rich, richer than she's probably ever imagined... without having to work (aside from the boutique, in the beginning.) She basically, has everything Freddie worked hard for and, all she had to do, was, get photographed smiling by his side, whenever he needed. She stuck by him to the end, yes she did, but, look at the payoff. |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 19:52 |
I also heard/read, Mary bought a place around the corner from Garden Lodge and, has moved.... Garden Lodge is probably too big for her to keep up, there's probably someone who comes in and does whatever upkeep there is. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 19:56 |
I know but I really dont think she just wanted the money I think she wanted him and she couldnt.if it has brought her so much happiness why is she alone and a recluse it's very sad I think she lost big time and that fortune has brought her misery. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.03.2019 19:58 |
Maybe we could make a new thread for this and not turn Thor and Lee's lovely thread into a Mary one? |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 20:02 |
Hooligan ok what about her did she move around the corner.It was supposedly at his 72nd bday celebration the keeper came out and collected everything right in front of them so maybe it was gossip on their part .Is the guest house attached to the house I dont see her living there and selling the guest house she is a private person it seems.Who knows. |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 20:05 |
No offense, but, it's all relevant, Mary was a big part of Freddie's life, it stands to reason, people will also be curious about that part of it. If Thor doesn't care to discuss Mary, he'll let me/us know. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 20:06 |
Sounds good hooligan there isn't much more to say not on that subject.It brings negative energy I agree. |
ForFreddie 04.03.2019 20:17 |
Actually, what more can be asked about Freddie, that hasn't been, already? Thanks to Thor and Lee, I feel like I know Freddie, I now feel like I understand him, what he was, what he wanted from life. That's enough for me, to watch his videos, listen to his amazing voice....his last video, touched me to my core, so bittersweet. Thanks to Thor and Lee, for giving me a personal glimpse into the life of, Freddie Mercury. |
CHEVYMAN 04.03.2019 20:45 |
I think us fans see his videos and pictures but these guys seen him in real everyday life they seen him healthy and when he became very sick.To me that last video he shot he already looked so much like an angel.The guys including Peter Jim and these guys had to look at him and know there was nothing they could do to help him. His face they have remembered for all these years.Thats something you learn to deal with but never get over.So to me us fans couldnt know him as well as these guys ever because we are fans but these guys were his family. |
Rainbow61 04.03.2019 22:28 |
Bienvenue, junealloway! |
thundergod 04.03.2019 23:39 |
Hello all, Thank you all for the lively conversation. I don't interfere with whatever people want to discuss here...I just can't tolerate the trolls. We HAVE managed most of them by our policy of non-engagement and isolation. Attention, via nastiness, is the blood they crave, like any other bloodsucking Leech. Without the blood, they look elsewhere.to feed. Once more, I will be visiting Lee for some more work on the book. We are getting a larger amount of interest since we've learned to screen better than we used to. We've learned the techniques and strategy of those tricky " bait and switch" Vanity Presses. I am bringing my laptop so I will be checking in. |
spiralstatic 04.03.2019 23:40 |
thundergod wrote: "Like a Circle in a Spiral, like a Wheel within a Wheel." ....LOL ! Credits: (Songwriters: Marilyn Bergman, Michel Legrand, Alan Bergman, "The Windmills Of Your Mind", Oscar winner for Best Song in 1969 and originally sung by Noel Harrison)Thor, you're such a kind person. Thank you. I reply though as your song quote makes me think of a film I love. Does anyone else know Xavier Dolan? I recommend his films. Tom at the Farm was the first film of his I saw and it got me to check out his other work (he is a Canadian Director, but also stars in some of his films, including this one.) And the opening scene is soundtracked by... you guessed it... link This is not at all on topic of course... but if it makes it any better, he is gay and some of his films (including this one) are... do you call it "queer cinema"? Makes me feel weird to label anything, but... there it is. This film is actually one of the few he didn't also write - it is based on a play. He's quite the prodigy - his first film, I Killed My Mother he began writing aged 16 and I think he was 19 when he made it? Makes you a bit sick, really, haha. Well, I don't know if anyone is into cinema, but in any case, I made this post now. And if you are into cinema and don't know Xavier, I recommend his work. I've followed his work since I saw this film at the cinema and now he has begun working with big names too and making English language films as well. Welcome, everyone new. |
Katydyd5 05.03.2019 01:27 |
Welcome Junealloway! Spiralstatic, I checked out Tom At The Farm on Netflix. It says it is a foreign thriller. Is it an English language film? Netflix isn't always clear. |
Katydyd5 05.03.2019 01:31 |
Thor, it seems that you and Lee are meeting even more frequently to work on the book, and I'm sure it will come to fruition soon. Isn't amazing how far you have come in your knowledge about putting a book out there? I think we've all learned so much through your process. A friend and I once considered writing a book for children and I know now that we might not have had the patience to jump through all the hoops. I've never lost my excitement for your book and I just know it will be on my coffee table someday. Hang in there! |
Blenkolove 05.03.2019 01:55 |
Thor and Lee, I realize it's private....but was Dustin Zimmerman able to help you in the process at all???? Ditto on Katydid's post....i Can't wait to order Your Book!!!! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 05.03.2019 02:12 |
Hiiiiiiiiiii My name is Lee Nolan. Perhaps you remember me. I’m the one that hasn’t had a computer or iPad for fours days. LOL As always I have a lot of catching up to do and I will do my best. Chevyman: Good closing remarks on the Mary thread. We will never know for sure the answers to everyone’s questions; why she did what she did or didn’t do, who or where she is now, or how she feels about the subjects that have been broached. Sounds like a book of info in my opinion and she has chosen to not write one. I will say, that I don’t think that Freddie made a fool of her, and I don’t take offense by the remark, whoever it was that said it, but I must add something. I came out of the closet when I was 22 years old, and had girlfriends pretty much until the year before I did so. I broke off these relationships because I was different. For the longest time I thought it was something that I was going to grow out of. But alas...that did NOT happen. It is not the intent of a gay man, who is trying to learn who they are, to treat a woman with disrespect or anything in that category. They are going through as much, if not more, than the woman who is feeling affected by this event. There is NO question in my mind when it comes to wondering how Freddie felt about Mary. It was the real thing, lthough he wasn’t wired for it. When I was in a room with Mary and Freddie, there wasn’t a question about how he felt for her. There just wasn’t. That being said, Mary was very nice to us, and I wouldn’t begin to try analyze her behavior. Just not my style. I don’t remember the exact verbiage, but Villiers summed it up the best, as I recall, but I don’t remember what page it was on. That being said, let’s move on. I do hasten to say that anything that is brought to this thread will be addressed as long as it isn’t a theme started by a troll. You guys have brilliant things to say, and we want to hear all of it. You just might hear back from us as regularly when the group is on a roll, and that is not a bad thing. Type away. Now Rainbow: Having played the piano from the age of 5, I couldn’t imagine me not tinkling the ivory at Garden Lodge. It was in a seperate room in the “westish” side of the house. (Please don’t anyone beat me up for that detail.) Anyway, it was calling my name, I suspect, and in I went. I’m pretty sure I would have been alone doing this as it had been years since I really played. Peter and I DID sit at the piano at the Co-Op/Condo in New York and took turns. Him REALLY playing, maybe, and me trying to remember what came to mind. Donut: I agree it is a little frustrating that people really believe everything in Bohemian Rhapsody as if it was bible, but a “based on” story line tends to lead us down different paths. I throughly enjoyed the film in spit fo the obvious hiccups in the time line, etc. The subject of when Freddie found out he was sick. I just saw a video on Phoebe’s website, which some of you might have seen, that puts the occurrence at Easter time 1987. That was an exact detail that I was not aware of. Junealloway: Welcome and Bon Soir Never too late: I LOVE multi questions at one time. As Mr Thor mentioned, you’ll have to wait for the book for exact details but the here ya go...I say that because we have been accused of telling all the good stuff on this blog...NOT. About Freddie’s Foot: the comment about people misunderstanding what Brian said made sense. When Freddie was showing us to our rooms in the Mews, which he insisted on doing so himself, the conversation had taken lightning pace. Half way up the stairs to our accommodations he stopped and showed us the sores on his ankle and foot. He would have mentioned it at that time, I would think, had there been surgery. Freddie never had makeup on as I recollect. Maybe some pancake to improve his color? I would say no. Another question for Phoebe. In June of 91 we assumed it was to be our last time together, as that was the reason he brought us over. Anything could have happened that would have made that not the last time, but it was. It is detailed in the book. The last time we spoke to Freddie was on his birthday, SEP 91. I’m sure we called him, and they got him to the phone remember got way, if it wasn’t he who answered. Thor and I feel that we definitely felt Freddie’s presence the exact moment we decided to write the book. We were sitting in a club in Palm Pings, and the video for Bohemian Rhapdsody (the song) came on. (Enter Twilight Zone theme here) Whew Nevertoolate: I can’t tell you how amazing it is to her Phoebe’s voice on the phone. So much comes back. He has a distinct English accent. I don’t know what it is. I actually know someone who has the same exact inflection and pronunciation, as Phoebe, and this person is German, so go figure. Phoebe is so strong in my memory that it truly is a flash back to other times. Katydyd5: Terry Giddings. The name sounded familiar, so I googled it. He was with Freddie the spring of 91, so I’m assuming that it was he who picked me up at the airport, and then he and I went back later that day to get Thor and Brandon. I sat in the front with him. I didn’t care for the grand treatment of me being in the back, as he was so nice. Who told that hot chocolate in front of Garden Lodge story. How great was that. I’m. currently reading Jim’s book again. Blenkolove: Fun thinking about the old Freddie vs the 80’s Freddie. Many people do it with the old Elvis and the new Elvis. They even took a poll for the Elvis stamp to see who wanted it to be the old Elvis, and who wanted the new Elvis. And where is Freddie’s stamp if I may ask? Freddienotfreddy: Actually, I don’t remember reporters outside of Garden Lodge when we were their either time. I think Freddie told us that he was was sure there were people in the upstairs windows across the street in 91. Diana Rigg lived across the street when we were there in 86. I’m confident she wasn’t a problem. LOL I’ve told the story of us sneaking out of the Mews’ (it was seperate form the house..someone asked) front door, which was by the garage the one day he ventured out with us during our stay. SpiralStatic: you say anything you want. It’s always good. This is an open forum. SM: Shaun, yes I DO know how to spell your name. I caught my mistake the first time, even the though Thor wanted to out me for it. LOL. I think it was brilliant of you to say that Jim was a genuine bloke. I couldn’t think of one word that would describe his important traits better. Sweet&tender: Freddie's place in NYC didn’t resemble Grden Lodge at all. It was quite modern with fabric walls. There will be a couple of photos in the book that I took, and I know there are some on line. It had this great ultra modern chandelier in the dining room. I use to take off the hanging pieces and stick them in ice like that scene from the Christopher Reeves’ Superman. Yeah...I’m whacked. Weeeeelllllllnow. I read ten pages of the blog before writing this, and now I need a glass of Chardonnay. I miss you guys when I can’t pipe in, and once again, I will try to get back to you more often. I probably should have spelled checked, but, ypugtta live on the edge sometimes. Ciao from Lilio (that’s my Italian name.) I made it up. Why? No one told me not to. HA! |
Blenkolove 05.03.2019 02:14 |
.....my last post on Mary, Her boys really......can you imagine how odd their perspective must be??? Being raised in a World renowned Rock star's home, that was not their father. Being shielded from the press....would they have even been allowed to bring friends home after school???? Sleepovers??? Etc..... And one wonders if possibly Mary has kept a journal that could be released by her sons, once she passes??? Might she finally reveal the whereabouts of Freddie's ashes.....If she kept some kind of journal??? hmmmmmmm |
Katydyd5 05.03.2019 02:32 |
Lee, that post was well worth the wait!! Thanks for answering my question about Terry Giddings. He appears in so many pictures and videos so I assumed you had met him. He seems to have traveled with Freddie as you can see him exiting the boat in Romania right behind him. Either Phoebe or Jim mentions Terry and it seems he was there at the end too. Freddie seems to have had such an ability to create "family" around him. How blessed he was to have so many who loved him. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.03.2019 02:36 |
Lee! I’m so glad you popped in. No, the chandelier story is not weird- I would have done the same thing haha! I look forward to seeing photos of the nyc apartment in the book. I’ve only seen one or two but I cokldnt make out all that much. I’m so happy you’re both meeting again. I hope the weather holds up- it didn’t hit 70 in all of February in LA. Even my east coast bones are chilly here. Lee I must ask- how long did you have that amazing mustache for? |
ForFreddie 05.03.2019 03:25 |
Lucky people, getting to know Freddie, personally. What an adventure. |
ForFreddie 05.03.2019 03:29 |
Oh, to clarify. I didn't mean, Freddie actually made a fool of Mary, I meant, she could have felt that way, going from being engaged to him, to having to 'share' him with men. All in all, I hope she's happy with her life and, how she's lived it. |
NeverTooLate 05.03.2019 04:23 |
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Rainbow61 05.03.2019 06:20 |
Hi Thor and Lee, One of my closest and longest friendships (40 years) is with a person I went to high school with. We are similar in so many ways, yet we are different as well. Besides the obvious, such as career choices, what are some differences you saw between yourselves and Freddie? How about differences between the two of you? For example, is one of you quieter than the other, more outgoing, more adventurous, more serious? It has been such fun getting to know the two of you over these many months…I hope that in addition to the wonderful Freddie stories you will regale us with, that you will be sharing a bit more about yourselves in the book as well! |
thundergod 05.03.2019 07:32 |
Hi Rainbow, I think I related very well to Freddie up to the point where I felt I just did not have anything clever to say or joke about. Freddie hated lulls in the conversation. I think I have already told you the quote from Freddie when he was asked about how he can keep giving so much to his fans at a concert, "Darling, when you have absolutely NOTHING left to give...give them wardrobe". BUT,.when I pooped out, KATHLEEN was always there to entertain him more. Lee is such an entertainer, a jokester, and an impression maker. Freddy loved his quick wit and visual shenanigans that of course included WARDROBE. Just wait till you see the photos...you will see and read about wonderful things that were never mentioned on this thread. Plus the threads are so long, that no-one would remember a lot of what was shared. But, a story with an accompanying appropriate picture does wonders to help peek into our time with Freddie....AND Phoebe! |
junealloway 05.03.2019 15:06 |
link I just found this article. It’s curious! |
NeverTooLate 05.03.2019 17:39 |
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Rainbow61 05.03.2019 17:50 |
junealloway, At the end of that article, they mention Freddie's sister, Kashmira. She has a collection of vanity cases. Here is a link with more information about that: link |
Rainbow61 06.03.2019 05:15 |
I know this conversation already passed many pages back, but I just listened to another favorite song this evening that I think Freddie would have done an amazing rendition of....Leonard Cohen's "Halllelujah". Can you imagine the passion Freddie would have poured into that song? It would have been sublime! |
Rainbow61 06.03.2019 05:38 |
Lee, thanks so much for sharing your piano memories... Thor and Lee, I can't wait to hear more about those "shenanigans" and of course seeing the new pics. I love the camaraderie that always shines through in your stories...they never cease to make me smile. |
Jo T. 06.03.2019 06:56 |
Rainbow61, I would love to have heard Freddie play the piano and perform Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah,” too! I saw Elton John’s “Farewell Yellow Brick Road” concert earlier tonight @ Madison Square Garden in NYC. The man is a consummate performer – like Freddie. Elton is in his early 70s and was on stage for nearly 3 hours! Elton John was a close friend of Freddie and one of the few that he allowed to visit him in his remaining days. Elton never mentioned Freddie’s name in concert tonight, but I thought of him when the word “Pinner” flashed up on the large screen during the song “I’m Stilling Standing.” Somebody on the thread had explained how Freddie gave Elton the name of Sharon for B-actress Sharon Pinner. Apparently, Elton was born in the town of Pinner in London. Elton also mentioned how the year 1992 was revolutionary in the development of antiretroviral meds for HIV infection. It’s sad to realize Freddie died in late 1991. Elton promoted the Elton John AIDS Foundation during the concert. I wonder if Queen and Adam Lambert promote the Mercury Phoenix Trust during their shows? One of the members of the thread (spiralstatic?) talked about the benefits of music therapy. My late father – who passed away too young, everybody said - last fall 2018 was an Elton John fan. I grew up on it. The songs of the father later became the songs of the daughter. He esp. loved “Candle in the Wind.” I barely cried when he passed, but when I heard Elton play “Candle in the Wind” tonight, I became emotional and felt a tremendous sense of peace. Music CAN be so therapeutic, can't it? Lee and/or Thor – maybe it’s more of a Phoebe question – are you aware if Freddie had ever attended any of Elton John’s concerts or owned any of his music? |
junealloway 06.03.2019 07:02 |
Thank you Rainbow61. Have a good day! |
spiralstatic 06.03.2019 07:24 |
Katydyd5 wrote: Welcome Junealloway! Spiralstatic, I checked out Tom At The Farm on Netflix. It says it is a foreign thriller. Is it an English language film? Netflix isn't always clear.Sorry I'm a bit late replying and you surely know already know now, but yes it's in French (French-Canadian, set in Canada), but it has subtitles. :) (I can't speak a word of French. I was taught German and Spanish at school. It makes me feel very inferior that I can only say "I am 11 years old" in French as quite often arty things have a bit of French in them and just assume everyone knows it & it always makes me feel like a stupid, ignorant pauper when they do that. But for me foreign language films do not feel like that as there are subtitles so you can understand. :)) Loved your post Lee. May I ask what Freddie's piano was like to play if you remember the feel of it? Thor, your recent post makes me and I'm sure all of us excited to read these stories and see the photos in your book. Come on publishers! |
spiralstatic 06.03.2019 07:25 |
Oooops, double post. Sorry! The forum is playing meanies with me and pretending not to post when it has posted. Naughty forum! What punishment shall we dole out?? |
spiralstatic 06.03.2019 07:26 |
Oh woe! Sorry!! Eeeeeekkkkk! As if we need to extend pages unneccessarily!! |
doughnut 06.03.2019 10:28 |
Lee just to clarify I don't doubt the love Freddie had for Mary for one moment . Hope you are getting on ok reading Mercury and Me ? I cried rivers at the end of this and the end of Peter's book. Peter wrote a second book which is very good . Question time Was you both invited to Freddies bday in Ibiza in 1987? It seems to have been a blast |
Katydyd5 06.03.2019 12:48 |
Spiralstatic, I asked you the foreign language question about Tom At The Farm before I checked out your link. Once I'd done that I had my answer and meant to come back here and delete my question. Unfortunately, once on YouTube I got sucked in to the sidebar videos and spent too much time looking at SNL cold openers and Seth Meyers. I completely forgot I'd asked about the film until you answered. I don't mind subtitles at all. LOL, I just have to watch the film on my larger tv so that I can read them! |
FreddieDarling 06.03.2019 13:14 |
Hi folks! I've been lurking again and enjoying all the posts! Re Elton's pseudonym. It was actually Sharon Cavendish (Sharon from Pinner) Been lovely to read Shaun's comments. He seems like a lovely gentleman and very respectful of Freddie and the privileged position he found himself employed in after Freddie passed away. Love his comments regarding Jim, Peter and Joe. LEE Freddie does havevhis own stamp. It was issued by Royal Mail in 1999. There was a bit of a hoo-ha as in the background Roger was playing at his drum kit (the picture was from a concert) and legally in the UK (for some daft, archaic reason!) other than the monarch and the other members of the Royal Family, living people are not allowed to be pictured on a stamp (well Roger IS Royal- he is part of Queen!!!!), So Rog gas the distinction of being the only living person (other than the royals) to have made it on to an officially released Royal Mail stamp! In the next post I'll tell you about my fabulous Queen weekend! |
FreddieDarling 06.03.2019 13:52 |
So, about my Queen weekend! Last week my sister told me that we weren't,as is our usual routine, be going into Birmingham city centre, but somewhere else, a surprise. On Saturday morning, off we go down the M5, and I then know we are going to. Weston super Mare in Somerset (my sistes favourite .{yes, Thor favourite with a **u" LOL :-) ) place in the whole world!) An hour and three quarters later, we duly alight in Weston, and have a coffee, then tootle around the shops, then I say "let's see what's on at the theatre (we always have a glance a what is showing at Weston's Playhouse Theatre) and I'm walking along the line of posters showing forthcoming events. Rain Man, something called Dirty Dusting, and then... there is a poster showing a Freddie Look-alike, Magic Tour yellow jacket, fist raised in the classic Freddie pose, adI say "Ooh, look here's a Queen tribute band coming up.... oh, it's tonight!" My sister looks at me and grins and says "Yes! And we're bloody going to it"! Last October she'd discovered about it and had booked us in and booked us in ar a Premier Inn overnight! Brought me spare undies, PJs, cosmetics, etc! God bless her! The tribute band were Mercury, with the fabulous Joseph Lee Jackson. We had a thrilling might and sang until we were hoarse! Joseph is a wonderful singer and all the band were fantastic players. Joseph came out into the foyer immediately after the show for a meet and greet, and I was able to thank him and tell him what a brilliant show they had put on, get my programme signed and a photo. Truly wonderful night. I'm still buzzing from it. I never got to see when perform, so this is the next best Jing o seeing our lovely Freddie perform! Discovered that !ercury are performing a one of my local theatrres Birmingham's Alexandra Theatre on April 18th and we have now booked in (my treat this time!)to see them (second row!) Can't wait! I junk I've even turned my sis into a big Queen fan now! She too enjoyed herself immensely, and is eager to go again. I you want to see Joseph Lee Jackson perform check out the YouTube video of him at Hard Rock Cafe in Bucharest. I'll try to copy and paste a:link. Just wanted to share my wonderful experience with you all. God bless my sitee., My own Best Friend ! |
FreddieDarling 06.03.2019 13:55 |
YouTube Link toJoseph Lee Jackson performing in Bucharest, Romania, BTW he isn't with the 4 guys he performs with in Mercury here. But you can see how great Joseph is. link |
FreddieDarling 06.03.2019 14:06 |
Few typos! !ercury = Mercury junk = think! Oops! |
DCQueenLuvr 06.03.2019 15:40 |
Hi everyone, I found this encouraging article in the New York Times and wanted to share. It seems the medical community is making further strides in fighting AIDS. link |
NeverTooLate 06.03.2019 16:19 |
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NeverTooLate 06.03.2019 16:27 |
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Galileo1564 06.03.2019 17:14 |
Hi everyone! First post on this thread. Jo T—What Elton is referring to re 1992 is likely the development and initial testing of Crixivan in 1992. It was revolutionary because it was a new class of drugs (protease inhibitors) which became a key component of the first triple drug therapies. But it took a few more years to develop and test these therapies. NeverTooLate—the other issue is that ARVs (anti-HIV drugs) only suppress the virus. They don’t reconstitute the immune system. The person’s body has to do that by itself. If the immune system is too damaged it can’t reconstitute, or only partially. Immunological Non-Responders (INRs) are an ongoing problem with HIV therapy that you don’t hear about too much. Anyway, that’s another thing you can read about if you like. So there’s no way to know even if Freddie had received triple therapy if he would have responded well to it. I’m sorry it got buried in this rather active thread—NeverTooLate are you the person who said you were a straight woman living in San Francisco in the early days of HIV/AIDS? Or perhaps it was someone else. Anyway, that post resonated with me because I was a straight woman living in Toronto at that time. In early 1986 I had a room mate who was a nurse doing rotations and she told me she hated the lung ward because it was full of young men dying and there wasn’t anything she could do except try to make them more comfortable. And I remember thinking, “It’s that bad? Wow.” |
NeverTooLate 06.03.2019 17:50 |
>>>I’m sorry it got buried in this rather active thread—NeverTooLate are you the person who said you were a straight woman living in San Francisco in the early days of HIV/AIDS? Or perhaps it was someone else. <<< Yes that's me. |
NeverTooLate 06.03.2019 17:57 |
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Lee Kathleen Nolan 06.03.2019 19:18 |
Hi I’m gonna open with this today. This is something j found while researching the Elton/Sharon thing. It has to do with Freddie and Michael Jackson working together. This is a copy and pasted thing Jim Beach said... The late star's manager Jim 'Miami' Beach says, "They got on well except for the fact that I suddenly got a call from Freddie, saying, 'Miami, dear, can you get on over here... You've got to get me out of here. I'm recording with a llama... I've had enough and I want to get out." And it seems Mercury lived to regret walking away from the project - in a lost interview recovered for the new Dvd, Freddie Mercury: The Great Pretender, he says, "I think one of the tracks would have been on the Thriller album if I had finished it, but I missed out." Thor and I roared. We can always hear Freddie’s voice when we think about something he said. |
thundergod 06.03.2019 19:56 |
I am seated 7 feet from Lee at this moment. It is a gorgeous day in Palm Springs (but set to have light rain this afternoon). No tan today... I would like to say two enthusiastic WELCOMES. First to junealloway... Bienvenue ma belle petite fleur. My new slogan and rallying cry shall be from now on, "All the way with Alloway"...LOL Second to Galileo.. Welcome! I am so impressed with your knowledge on HIV/AIDS, please keep contributing. |
thundergod 06.03.2019 20:16 |
Hey Blenkolove Yes, DZ was helpful and had put a good amount of time into his efforts, which was much appreciated. Some of his researched information from a publisher (not his attitude) was deflating and very blunt but at the same time, was interesting, seemed possibly logical and was thought provoking. With Lee's approval, I went ahead and changed some of the final revision of our query and proposal, (but none of the manuscript at all). |
thundergod 06.03.2019 20:23 |
Wow Jo T. You little New Yorker, you. Believe it or not, my first concert ever was in 1971 with Elton John at the new (at the time) Nassau Colosseum on Long Island. I went with a 10th-grade buddy of mine and we had a blast! Now YOU saw Elton 48 years later. OMG. Obviously, from your reaction, he is still doing a Captain Fantastic job all these years later.. |
thundergod 06.03.2019 20:34 |
Hi FreddieDarling, Brava to you for your "Sharon" facts. Freddie never really explained why Elton got that nickname, so thank you. Freddie had a picture of Elton in his livingroom at GL which was signed, Love Sharon. Freddie had some hilarious stories about Sharon, but none that I can fully share with you. Let's just say that they were during Elton's ah...blue period. |
stevendabudgie 06.03.2019 20:56 |
To anyone who is interested, here are documentaries on AIDS activism which played a crucial role in the development and access to cocktail drugs link link link |
CHEVYMAN 06.03.2019 21:02 |
Thundergod come on give us a story |
CHEVYMAN 06.03.2019 21:02 |
Thundergod come on give us a story |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 06.03.2019 22:08 |
haha! I'm sure the stories of Sharon were hilarious. |
FreddieDarling 06.03.2019 22:49 |
Apparently Elton used the name Sharon Cavendish as a pseudonym for booking hotel rooms on tour. I have a lot of admiration for Elton. He was very considerate and caring about Freddie, and very hands in helpful to HIV victims at a time when there was so much paranoia and hare around HIV. Freddie was a pretty good judge of character, it seems, so for Freddie to allow him near him when he was so near the end, so that speaks volumes to me. |
SimonaFromItaly 06.03.2019 23:10 |
Shame on you all! This thread is so interesting that I've gotten late. Again. You'll have to feel guilty when I'm sleepy at work, tomorrow LOL. I foresee some 100% sleepless nights when Thor and Lee finally release their book. |
Rainbow61 06.03.2019 23:20 |
My first concert ever was...Liberace...mid 70's in Saratoga! First rock concert was Cheap Trick in 1980. |
NeverTooLate 06.03.2019 23:28 |
Thank you Stevendabudgie for the documentary links. |
Rainbow61 06.03.2019 23:39 |
Thor and Lee, Sometimes when you meet someone new, you have that immediate, strong feeling that you are meant to be friends. Other beautiful friendships evolve over a much longer period of time. How long did it take for you both to realize that Freddie was going to be a very special person in your lives? I'm sure you probably told us this before...so I apologize that I don't remember, but how did the two of you meet? |
NeverTooLate 07.03.2019 00:35 |
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Blenkolove 07.03.2019 02:15 |
Thank You Stevendabudgie for the links! You always provide awesome links!! I haven't watched them yet, but plan to shortly. You may recall, but I work in the Dental field. Trust me on this..... I would Never have entered dentistry if it was not for Universal Precautions!!! Universal precautions came about in dentistry in mid-eighties because some whack job dentist was caught injecting his virus into patients!!! If memory serves me right, this dentist was in Miami, Florida. Prior to mid-eighties, most of the Dental field put bare hands in the mouth, did not sterilize instruments, did not use disposable products......in other words....barberic and gross!!!!! I remember the feel and taste of my childhood dentist's hands in my mouth! It's a Very Visceral memory!! HIV is still a concern in our field, but the bigger threat is and always has been hepatitis. Since the first time I learned of HIV/AIDS (....i want to say it was with the death of Rock Hudson....????) I have been fascinated with the history and trajectory of HIV/AIDS. |
Jo T. 07.03.2019 07:37 |
FreddieDarling wrote: Re Elton's pseudonym. It was actually Sharon Cavendish (Sharon from Pinner)FreddieDarling, I'm always open for correction. Thanks! |
FreddieDarling 07.03.2019 08:43 |
Jo T. No probs. We all immerse ourselves in SO much Freddie related data, that some of it is bound to get tangled in our minds eventually. I remember reading that when Freddie had badly hut his knee ligaments, in a rather boisterous play in a club in Munich, and was in plaster from ankle to thigh, that Elton was in town doing a concert and Freddie watched from the use of the stage, be Elton was jokingly threatening to drag Freddie in stage for a duet. Instead he dedicated "I'm Still Standing" to him. :-) |
FreddieDarling 07.03.2019 08:46 |
More typos! hut = hurt use = side Deary me! |
Blenkolove 07.03.2019 12:32 |
Freddiedarling, I watched the link you provided for Joseph Lee Jackson.......just INCREDIBLE!!!! How fortunate you are to have seen him, and to have such a lovely sister/bff!!!! Thank you so much for sharing!!! |
Katydyd5 07.03.2019 12:45 |
Hey Thor, at the risk of exposing either my ignorance or my naivete, what did you mean by Elton John's "blue period"? Just curious. |
DCQueenLuvr 07.03.2019 14:00 |
Another question for Thor and Lee: Thor, you said you met Freddie in August 1980. I assume Lee met him shortly afterwards. After John Lennon was killed in December of that year, did Freddie ever express concern for his safety? Did he ever get a chance to meet Lennon? What did he say about it? I went to a Beatles tribute concert on Saturday night, so they have been on my mind. |
Shvili 07.03.2019 16:54 |
wait...what? Freddie curled his hair? lol link |
koala 07.03.2019 18:27 |
Shvili, Freddie's hair was apparently naturally curly and he would straighten it while he had long hair. I remember Peter Freestone saying somewhere (possibly an ask Phoebe blog) that the 80s short hairstyle brought the end to the "dreaded curls", or something to that effect. Personally, I quite like the curly hair! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 07.03.2019 19:32 |
He had naturally curly hair. Phoebe said he liked the short cut because it made it easier to straighten |
Shvili 07.03.2019 19:49 |
He had wavy hair at most, but not curly. There's no way curls in the pic before are natural. Probably Brian helped with hair rollers. lol |
CHEVYMAN 07.03.2019 20:06 |
Curly straight or bald he was the hottest thing on earth do all you guys agree with me.Thor what attracted you to him the first time you met and who initiated the conversation. |
koala 07.03.2019 20:25 |
CHEVYMAN knows what's up! |
FreddieDarling 07.03.2019 22:33 |
According to, I think, Pat or could be Sue Johnston, Freddie used heated hair curling tongs. She said in a report of a Queen in Cornwall video that when they (Queen) did their first ever Queen tour in Cornwall, Freddie stayed opinion her father's home, and Sue/Pat's Dad came downstairs and announced to her that *I've seen it all now! He's up there curling his hair " :-) Apparently Sue and Pat's Dad loved Freddie! :-) So, I'd say Freddie didn't have curly hair, maybe just a bit of waviness. I believe he had the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. They just call to my soul. Beautiful. Lusciously, silky dark, with enviable like lashes. A beautiful man! |
FreddieDarling 07.03.2019 22:55 |
Blenkolove : Thank you, my dear. Yes I certainly am fortunate to have such a wonderful kind thoughtful sister. She is also buzzing from our shared "Mercury" experience. We had a blast! Can't wait until April 18th to see the next concert. We're going for a meal before and then we are going to show Joseph a big Birmingham welcome! I seem to have created another Queen fan! :-) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 08.03.2019 00:09 |
He actually used the tongs to straighten his hair. I believe Phoebe over anyone...he lived with him for 12 years |
thundergod 08.03.2019 03:36 |
Hello Rainbow, We met by chance and were initially, physically attracted to each other without even knowing who each other was. Freddie was tickled pink by the honesty of that first, meeting and also by the circumstances of the next evening in Philadelphia, If that jogs your memory great, if not, it is the first and second chapters of the book, with both greatly expanded narratives. These were two of my favorite chapters to write. It started the whole incredible friendship. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 03:47 |
CHEVYMAN, I'll give you plenty of stories but none that would embarrass a dear, close friend of Freddie's. (emphasis here on dear and close). Hypocritically on my part, I do believe I told an off-color story on Dave Clark which I wish I wouldn't have shared. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 03:51 |
Rainbow, as some ladies actually used to say, "Liberace is NOT gay, he's just good to his mother."...lol. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 03:54 |
Thanks stevendabudgie for your three links. I will watch them when I have a little more time. After Palm Springs, I leave for New York, but I will get back to them. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 03:57 |
Oh, oh Rainbow, now you're talking about chapter three. You will get your answer. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 03:59 |
Hi, NeverTooLate, I don't personally remember about Freddie mentioning Wierd Al but I am sure Lee would know the answer to that, yes or no. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 04:08 |
Hey Katydyd, Just think," blues", Diana Ross singing in the movie, "Lady Sings the Blues" about the life of Billie Holiday...was this movie about recounting all the happy times in her life? I do NOT mean this in a condescending way at all. You are a smart lady, I know this well. Maybe my use of the word, "blue" needed an explanation. Sorry! (I was saying this in a round-about way in order not to give too much information.) |
thundergod 08.03.2019 04:16 |
DCQueenLuver, In August 198o, Lee was working his dinner-theater job in New England. It was not until Summer of 1981 that Freddie was introduced to Lee as well as John and Joe (who I never had the chance, that first time in August 1980, to introduce them). |
thundergod 08.03.2019 04:24 |
DCQueenLuvr, Freddie never worried about his safety...BUT Phoebe sure did, as if he needed the title "bodyguard" in addition to everything else he provided Freddie. Phoebe was a Master multi-tasker when it came to anything and everything regarding Freddie! There hasn't been another bromance like this between two men, until Donald Trump and Kin Jong Un...LOL.Absolutely just kidding! |
thundergod 08.03.2019 04:35 |
Kim Jong Un...sorry, dear leader...loll. Well, bye for now and keep the GREAT chat coming! My computer is majorly crashing-out and sometimes will not restart or reboot for over 12 hours. I need to get a new one, but that can't happen until March 27th, back from New York in San Diego. If it blanks out totally, please forgive me. I can say a few words from New York, but nothing too long. Lee will do his best to keep you updated but just give him some time. I'm having dinner again in New York with Robby Bloodshed who has been too busy to come to QZ lately, but some of you may remember him from last summer's dinner outing.. |
Saint Jiub 08.03.2019 05:12 |
Thor - I hope all your important computer files are safe backed up elsewhere away from your sputtering computer. That said ... I have not backed up my computer in a while ... |
thundergod 08.03.2019 05:28 |
Thank you Saint Juib, I plan to download all my files to a scan disc. I should buy that tomorrow. I am not shutting my laptop down until that is done. |
Rainbow61 08.03.2019 06:29 |
Thanks Thor. I had remembered what you told us about your first meeting with Freddie. So glad the book will cover how Freddie went from being a fun acquaintance to a true friend. That's what I was talking about. I assume by chapter 3 you are referring to how you and Lee met...that was my second question, but I don't think I was very clear. You might have thought I was still talking about you and Freddie. Anyway...I can't wait for this book! It will be amazing. ...Oh, by the way...I wasn't sure what you meant by Elton's "blue period" either. :) |
doughnut 08.03.2019 10:29 |
Hi, Rainbow, I may be wrong but I think Eltons blue period maybe his dark time when he was at the height of his drug addiction. I could be wrong. I recently read a book he wrote about the help he gave to a young boy and his family. The young boy had aids and he talks about this in depth in the book as well as his addiction to drugs and food. Thor....I know that you didn't mean any offence regarding Dave Clark but i agree that something isn't right. I had been thinking the exact same . Your comment to Freddie about this and his reply did make me chuckle. Seeing as you knew Freddie so well I wonder if you could imagine what Freddie's reaction would be to all the books that have been written about him, more his reaction to the books written by friends. Do you think he would be amazed or angry at some of the details put out there. |
Jo T. 08.03.2019 10:59 |
Rainbow61 and Katydyd5: Elton John is presently in NY all week for his final tour. He has shows at the Garden and in Brooklyn. I’m on vacation in NYC and saw him Tues. night @ MSG. At the concert, Elton briefly alluded to a period in his life when he was at his lowest. He wasn’t specific, but he has a history of drug (cocaine) and alcohol abuse and was also @ high risk for contracting HIV. Thor, is that what you meant by his “blue period,” the times of party excess and hedonism? Elton eventually became sober and clean. He's presently married and monogamous and father of 2 boys. Even though he never mentioned Freddie specifically by name, he recounted how too many precious lives were lost to AIDS and how/why he started the Elton John AIDS Foundation. That was the most poignant part of the concert. BTW, Katydyd5, how did you like “Hamilton?” I completely FELL ASLEEP for the 2nd half. It was a 2:00 PM matinee. I was so tired. NYC has completely inverted my sleep/wake cycle. I completely lost out on Act II. My friends couldn't arouse me. That was the costliest nap I have ever taken! LOL Lee and Thor, you may be amused to learn that I lit the last of my $2 candles for the publication of your book @ St. Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC on Ash Wed. In between glasses of wine, one of my friends who is Catholic wanted to attend mass, so we went together. I participated in mass but abstained from the communion and the cross of ashes, as a lapsed Christian. The lowest denomination I had in my wallet was $10 cash. I had no singles. St. Patrick’s requested $2 donation. I got my money’s worth in prayers. I tossed in a $10 bill, lit 5 candles and prayed for my family (#1-#3), world peace (#4) and what the hell, your book (#5), since St. Francis De Sales and St. Jude had failed to materialize. |
Jo T. 08.03.2019 11:31 |
Doughnut, Ryan White. |
junealloway 08.03.2019 12:02 |
Elton John : the album "bleue moves" 1976, maybe ? |
Katydyd5 08.03.2019 13:00 |
Jo T. I saw Elton John in the early 70's I think, when he and I were both young. It was wildly fun, but part of that may have been the Apple Jack wine we smuggled into the venue. Obviously not so much security back then. Hamilton lived up to the hype for me. I was so glad I had read a synopsis of the show first, and did a little bit of poking around on Wikipedia or I might have been a little confused. The lyrics were so clever and came so fast and furious I really had to pay attention. I can't believe you fell asleep! You must have been super tired. |
doughnut 08.03.2019 13:37 |
thank you Jo T. I love Elton, he is coming to the UK at the end of 2020 so a long way off. Id love to go but the tickets are very expensive. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 20:49 |
Hi Rainbow, I'm sorry, I did misunderstand your question. Chapter three is where Freddie meets Joe S., John M. and Lee N. I met Lee (and Joe) on March 13th, 1976. This is so clear to me because of it being my 21st Birthday! A friend and I went to a great but rather short-lived dance club on W.57th St. called "Ice Palace 57". I spotted Joe Scardilli first and it was a little bit of young, love at first site. I wanted to get to know him better, so I approached him at the club and we danced and had a few cocktails. In a short time, he introduced me to his friend from college, Lee Nolan. Joe and I went on to have a relationship (my second ever) for just short of two years. Lee became family, John became family. After a somewhat messy break-up, I, like Freddie, always wanted to pursue a friendship with my ex's and we became a rat-pack of four, doing so much together when possible in and away from New York. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 21:10 |
Hey doughnut, I believe Freddie would have loved all three works of Phoebe. His accounts of Freddie are detailed, reliable and smart. Of course, he would have loved Jim Hutton's book, but probably not the ending stuff. Freddie was all about beginnings and the sustained excitement and wonder of life. Just look at him now!..still living after twenty-seven years dead. That's the way Freddie operated, no sorrows from the past but just excitement about the future. He always told Lee, (the photographer) to,, "Make these photographs WORK for you darling." Because of this, I would have to think that he would be very proud and supportive of our book. ...With Lesley Ann Jones' book, I could imagine Freddie casually dropping it down to the 9th Circle of Hell...and saying "Damned rubbish!" |
thundergod 08.03.2019 21:12 |
Jo T. you hit it right on the head of what I meant about a "blue period" in his life. Thank you. |
thundergod 08.03.2019 21:19 |
Wow Jo T....candles lit for our book. What a heavenly compliment to all our efforts with the book. Thank you so much for your thoughtfulness. (P.S.Did you have your West Village dinner, drinks and sing-along yet?) |
thundergod 08.03.2019 21:35 |
Ha ha, Yes theater and concert tickets are so expensive these days and leg room increasingly limited. The Queen plus Adam Lambert concert in Los Angeles prices, as well as, lack of availability made Lee and I have to say "not this time". What a shame, we would have loved to go. When I read that they were actually selling tickets to only hear the concert from the parking lots, I was quite put off by this. Not sure if it was planned by Queen or perhaps a requirement in order to play this venue. Greed is so over- ripe these days. Was it U2 or Billy Joel, o Coldplay that sold a whole bunch of reasonably priced tickets to reach ALL of their fans? Help me out on this QZ musical history experts. |
Rainbow61 09.03.2019 00:42 |
Thor....thanks for sharing that great story of how you met Lee and Joe. How wonderful that your birthday is also your friendship anniversary. A double reason to celebrate! The tickets for the Queen + AL shows sold extremely fast. The presale date was Dec. 6…by Dec. 7 they added a second show at both The Forum and Madison Square Garden. Those venues sold out a while ago as did most other venues. Queen has partnered with “Twickets”, a site where fans can buy and sell tickets…but only at face value. I highly doubt Queen has anything to do with the parking lot tickets. Maybe it’s a way for fans, who didn’t get tickets, to still be able to listen to the show? |
DCQueenLuvr 09.03.2019 01:21 |
I was lucky enough to get Queen tickets shortly after they went on sale, but I had to call in ahead of time and wait in a queue. I bet tickets will come up closer to the date of the concert. People will be selling them on Stubhub and other vendor sites. |
CHEVYMAN 09.03.2019 01:39 |
Greed is what it's all about these days I can remember back in 1992 I was18 I went to a deflepard concert and it was only 100 dollars .Its all about the money these days and how much they can charge the poor man.One things for sure if Freddie were still alive you guys would be going for sure and it wouldnt be in parking lot seats. |
Katydyd5 09.03.2019 02:36 |
I have tickets to Queen+AL in August, but they are pretty high up in the arena. I got them within a few hours of tickets going on sale using a password from some Queen group , and we will still be way up there. Thank heavens for the big screens. I couldn't pass up the chance to see Brian and Roger. It won't be the same as seeing them with Freddie, but I have to think this will be the last tour of the states, so I couldn't pass it up. |
Katydyd5 09.03.2019 02:42 |
Thor, I have to tell you that I admire both your desire and ability to remain friends with your ex's. I suspect that takes some extra effort on both parts and also a generous nature. I am cordial with my ex, but it isn't easy and I do it only to make the other people who need to be around us at family functions comfortable. It also makes it easier on my sons if they don't have to hold their breath when we are in close proximity. If it weren't for that I would have no need to ever see him again. |
NeverTooLate 09.03.2019 03:34 |
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Sweetandtenderhooligan 09.03.2019 03:41 |
I found this photo and it warmed my heart! What cuties. link |
Jo T. 09.03.2019 05:39 |
thundergod wrote: Was it U2 or Billy Joel, o Coldplay that sold a whole bunch of reasonably priced tickets to reach ALL of their fans? Help me out on this QZ musical history experts.OK, you asked for it. Don't shoot the messenger. My homeboy, Kid Rock! I can't wait for your reaction! LOL |
Freddienotfreddy 09.03.2019 14:07 |
Katydyd5, I have tickets to see Queen + Adam Lambert here in Houston in July. I feel the same as you,Brian and Roger aren't young men, so I was not passing up what may be the last chance to see them. There was a never a chance for me to have seen Queen with Freddie as I was pretty young when they stopped touring in the states. Also, I saw the touring production of Hamilton here in Houston last year and absolutely loved it! I already knew the soundtrack by memory as I listen to it constantly, but the show definitely lived up to the hype for me. |
stevendabudgie 09.03.2019 17:12 |
@NeverTooLate @Blenkolove @Thundergod The first video "How to Survive a Plague" is, form a cinemati pint of view, the best documentary. Unfortunately I watched it after the other two, so I already knew who would survive. The second video is the documentary on writer and activist Larry Kramer. The third is "United in Anger", which is made in a more "standard" docu mode, with talking heads and archival footage, but nonetheless informative In recent years a seemingly endless stream of oral histories and documentaries on this subject has been uploaded,. @Blenkolove I recall you mentioned patients. I think my first dentist (1980s/1990s) also used his bare hands at leasts a few times- but he always washed his hands afterwards. I infer that he did before my appointment- thus I can say: "He had at least washed his hands .." |
CHEVYMAN 09.03.2019 17:31 |
Kid Rock is awesome |
thundergod 09.03.2019 19:47 |
Hey SweetandTender, So funny. The picture that warmed your heart is labeled "Freddie Mercury, Paul Prenter, Queen 1980" The only accurate part of that label is Freddie Mercury. . 1) That is NOT Paul Prenter, but our own Lee Nolan. 2) It was not taken in 1980. Lee did not meet Freddie until 1981. I guess people post things with the facts not being all that important...lol |
doughnut 09.03.2019 19:48 |
Hey Thor, great answer thank you :) Sounds to me that Freddie was def giving him blessing to show of those photos and what better way than in a book. I really need something new to read so lets hope some good news is coming...i have my fingers and toes crossed. All this talk of queen and AL....I have no idea if there are any plans to tour the UK again ....do anyone know ? I really must try to save up to visit america with my family ....my friend has just come back from Disney and loved it. By the way Paul Prenter's family have been in the mail newspaper today. They are upset at Paul's betrayal in the movie. They confirm that Freddie and Paul did not have a sexual relationship and that they were best friends and the rest of the band were jealous. They admit that paul selling his story for money wasn't right but he needed the money for AIDS treatment. Interesting aye |
doughnut 09.03.2019 19:52 |
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thundergod 09.03.2019 20:03 |
Rainbow, You are correct about fans who could not get tickets, might like just being able to hear the music out in the parking lot. BUT for these parking lot slots, they still SOLD over-priced tickets. You right, however, it IS doubtful that it was Queen's idea. |
CHEVYMAN 09.03.2019 20:09 |
My heart does go out to any Aids patients family back then especially if they cared for them physically they always see that person through different eyes.However what Paul did selling the story on freddy was wrong theres no good reason to need to do that I'm sure he received good pay working for queen if his demons took his money that's unfortunate and it something he needed to own up too.Freddie has helped alot of his friends I think if he needed money he could've found a more tactful way to approach Freddie for help all he did is hurt him and piss him off.I think Brian and Roger could've handled alot about this this film different I think his nasty portrayal doesnt make any sense just like many other of the bitter inaccuracies. |
thundergod 09.03.2019 21:06 |
Wow, Doughnut, Very interesting DailyMail article. As I have said before, in 1981-1983, Paul Prenter seemed like a fun, smart and all-right kinda guy. As a matter of fact, if not for Paul, who had an unrequited crush on Joe S, my three best buddies may not have been invited along with me to the early Queen concerts. I'm sure that final news dump did not go over well and Freddie felt betrayed, but as far as a sexual relationship, breaking the band up and not hearing about Live Aid, that stuff is just not true as far as I know. |
Freddienotfreddy 09.03.2019 21:17 |
For everyone in the Houston, TX area, I just saw that Miller Outdoor Theatre is opening it’s 2019 season this coming Friday, March 15 with a show by Queen tribute band. It’s called One Night of Queen featuring Gary Mullen and The Works. My son will be here for spring break and I’m determined to make him a Queen fan, so we will definitely be attending this! |
Rainbow61 09.03.2019 21:24 |
@CHEVYMAN $100 for a concert ticket 27 years ago would have been way too expensive for me! My Queen + AL ticket for the show this year cost $106 (including tax and processing fee) and my seat is pretty good...not in the front, but not binocular distance either. @doughnut It seems likely that Queen + AL will play again in the UK. Whenever they decide to stop touring, I think they would want to end where it all began! I picture them having a huge final concert at Wembley Stadium. |
CHEVYMAN 09.03.2019 21:37 |
Rainbow it was 100 dollars for me and my husband |
Rainbow61 09.03.2019 22:01 |
@CHEVYMAN Okay...that is a much better price! :) |
Rainbow61 09.03.2019 22:28 |
Thor, You are right about parking being very expensive. It seems like a common complaint of most convert venues is the nightmare of parking and exiting after a show...and the cost. My younger (cheaper) self would never have wanted to pay for parking. My older (more practical) self thinks it it WELL worth it to pay extra for good parking to eliminate the stress of finding a spot and to be able to leave the concert site in a reasonable amount of time. My husband and I are traveling almost 5 hours to get to the show and I didn't want to sit in the free parking lot for 2 hours waiting to leave. (The Mohegan Sun Arena in Connecticut has amazing parking. It is free...always a good thing...and there is plenty of it. The venue is fantastic. Saw Transiberian Orchestra and Queen + AL there a couple years ago.) |
Rainbow61 09.03.2019 22:45 |
I was in a doctor's office the other day when I overheard a patient talking to the receptionist about the BR movie. (It is a small office...you couldn't help but to hear what she said). The patient was extremely enthusiastic about the film and Rami's performance, but what was nice is that after watching the movie she said "of course" I had to go home and watch videos of Freddie. I don't think she knew much, if anything about Freddie before the movie...but she does now! |
Rainbow61 09.03.2019 22:48 |
Oops....Trans-Siberian Orchestra not Transiberian Orchestra! |
CHEVYMAN 09.03.2019 23:05 |
I just dont think that movie did him Justice to hear all his friends talk its definitely a very talented actor playing a part to me it just not him I watch so many of his interviews and look at so many of his pics with his friends and I'm not feeling that sad lonely guy that that film portrays and he sure as heck wouldnt have to beg anyone to take him back he was bigger than Elvis .That's just my opinion from personal observation I dont know this man only through interviews what friends have said and of course our sweet Peter freestone. |
thundergod 09.03.2019 23:27 |
I understand Rainbow...but I meant that they were actually selling these parking spots AS concert tickets. I guess instead of what some places call, partial-view tickets, they are selling NO VIEW tickets which happens to include a parking spot, but no admission into the venue. I had never heard of such an outrageous thing...but then again, this venue is in LA...go figure! |
Rainbow61 10.03.2019 00:17 |
Thor, I've never heard of that either. I figured you meant something like that, but I kind of got off on a tangent about parking in general. The parking lots at the arena I am going to are only for ticket holders. Do they allow tailgating? That might be the draw...like a college football game. |
DCQueenLuvr 10.03.2019 00:57 |
Donut, Thanks for sharing the link to the Mail article. I enjoyed looking at new photos of Freddie! I was surprised to learn that the reason Prenter sold Freddie out to The Sun in 1986 was to get money for AIDS treatments. Why not ask his generous friend for financial help if he needed it??? |
DCQueenLuvr 10.03.2019 00:57 |
Donut, Thanks for sharing the link to the Mail article. I enjoyed looking at new photos of Freddie! I was surprised to learn that the reason Prenter sold Freddie out to The Sun in 1986 was to get money for AIDS treatments. Why not ask his generous friend for financial help if he needed it??? |
DCQueenLuvr 10.03.2019 00:57 |
Donut, Thanks for sharing the link to the Mail article. I enjoyed looking at new photos of Freddie! I was surprised to learn that the reason Prenter sold Freddie out to The Sun in 1986 was to get money for AIDS treatments. Why not ask his generous friend for financial help if he needed it??? |
CHEVYMAN 10.03.2019 03:10 |
Dont know about that money question those two that know that answer have passed on |
stevendabudgie 10.03.2019 07:54 |
@DCQueenLuvr Why should he have asked Freddie at a time they were no longer friends, he had been dropped by Freddie? From the article: 'Paul was very bitter,' Ray Prenter told MailOnline. 'They let him down and he was hurt. They were very mean. 'He worked for them for years and years and he got very little from them. 'That was when he decided he had to get a few bob for his own treatment. 'So that is why he went with the papers.' |
Rainbow61 10.03.2019 08:05 |
Hi Thor, Regarding that group photo of you, Lee, and seven others sitting in a row: You are all wearing white, sleeveless shirts...was that by chance or was it orchestrated for the photo? Were you in Freddie's NYC apartment? A long time ago...September 26, 2017 to be exact, you named everyone in the pic so I have that info. You said Freddie was in the back (also looks a lot like Paul Prenter as that person appears to be wearing glasses.) With Freddie in the back, was Paul taking the picture? |
doughnut 10.03.2019 13:13 |
No view tickets seem a little crazy to me, who would pay money to sit in a parking lot . I can imagine Freddie saying 'they may as well stay at home and listen to the album ' It did cross my mind regarding Paul asking for Freddie's help rather than selling his story to the paper but we don't really know what went on all those years ago with their friendship. Thor can you remember how you felt the first time you saw Freddie and Queen in concert? Was you blown away by how amazing he was as a front man and his amazing voice and did you think ' I can't believe that is the Freddie I know '. I ask this as so many people say how different Freddie was off the stage. |
doughnut 10.03.2019 13:14 |
also forgive me if you have said already but what happened to your friend Joe S? |
NeverTooLate 10.03.2019 15:10 |
Regarding Prenter's bitterness at earning so little money in the years he worked for Queen: that's on him. As I was pointedly informed in my 20's, "you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate." Prenter decided to do drugs and snorted a lot of $$$ up his nose, which was his choice to do. Prenter decided to work and continue working for Queen over several years and if he wasn't getting paid enough to do it, then he could have sought other employment. To go to the press and betray the trust and privacy of someone who is fighting their own illness and disclose info about them and their lovers when they were keeping such things private, was really low IMO. The excuse of "needing to pay for AIDS treatments" is not a valid excuse. Betrayal is betrayal. Regarding Joe Scardilli: Thor said Joe S. passed, as did his friend, John Murphy. Thor didn't say when other than those friends plus Freddie were gone by the time he left NYC. All died of AIDS. |
Rainbow61 10.03.2019 17:23 |
Thor and Lee, I think this is the night that you (Thor) said you were having your joint birthday celebration dinner at a nice restaurant! Have a great evening...cheers! |
Blenkolove 10.03.2019 18:03 |
HAPPY BIRTHDAY THOR AND LEE!!!!! Have a smashing celebration together!!!! XO Ttys |
stevendabudgie 10.03.2019 18:05 |
@NeverTooLate I hope you did not misconstrue my post- I did not want to defend Prenter, but just point out there was not reason or point to ask Freddie for money. |
thundergod 10.03.2019 19:34 |
Hello All, Hyginasmile asked me to share this excellent interview. I loved it. I think you will too. link |
thundergod 10.03.2019 20:04 |
Today IS the big birthday bash for Lee and myself. We are putting the computers down in a few hours and will just celebrate the fact that we are lucky enough to still be here and still have a strong friendship. By the way, my memory failed me because Lee proved to me that it had to have been my 22nd birthday that I met him which would be 1977, not 1976 as I had misremembered all this time. He showed me that the meeting could not have been 1976 because he was performing in the national tour of the Broadway show,1776 on that very day and it was in his records (diary). |
thundergod 10.03.2019 20:24 |
Hi doughnut, Joe Scardilli passed away in the late 1980s due to a brain tumor. I believe it was this condition that caused him to abruptly break away from the close friendship with Lee and myself. His personality changed but we had no idea why and were completely unaware (until after his passing) of the actual diagnosis. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.03.2019 20:31 |
Hi A quick story about that lined up shot where we look like we’re tobogganing. That was in Freddie’s suite at a hotel before he bought the Co-Op. We were going to be watching one of my slide shows, and Joe and I kept everyone waiting while we were perfecting the tape that went along with the slide show. The slide show was very well received, and at one point of the evening Freddie passed out those sleeveless shirts to all of us, and we knew we had a photo op presenting itself. We all ripped off our tops and changed. Sir Elton almost joined us that night, as he was staying in the same hotel, but never made it. P.S. John died of AIDS mid to late 80’s, yes, but Joe died of a medical issue which Thor heard about after the fact. We weren’t in touch with John at that point, because of something that happened, but we did get word of his being ill, and Thor called his sister to give our regards. He was too sick to talk to Thor, but he was alert enough to acknowledge the fact that we had tried to reach him. |
CHEVYMAN 10.03.2019 20:49 |
Happy anniversary on your friendship guys have fun and be safe. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.03.2019 22:44 |
Moustache question...the mustache started to come and go in the late 70’s. My facial hair has taken many forms over the years. A few years ago a very good buddy, who I know well from traveling the cruise circuit, got married. I arrived at the wedding with a silver beard. When I saw the photos of the wedding I looked ten years older. The next time I saw him and his club act partner (who are freakin’ brilliant) I had shaved the beard. They thought I had had work done. LOL. I was fllarered that they thought I could afford that after my travel habit was financed. I never told them it was just shaving the beard. HA! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 10.03.2019 22:48 |
Oops that was suppose to be “flattered” not whatever it was I typed. |
Katydyd5 10.03.2019 23:49 |
Happy Birthday Guys! Enjoy your celebration!! |
Freddienotfreddy 11.03.2019 00:23 |
Happy birthday, Thor and Lee! Here's wishing your new year is a terrific one! |
Katydyd5 11.03.2019 01:19 |
Oh Thor, thanks for the link to that interview, it was wonderful. I've always admired all three of those men so the things they said about Freddie touched my heart and reinforced my belief that he was an incredibly special man. You were so lucky to have known the private Freddie, and I thank you again for sharing your friend with us. |
NeverTooLate 11.03.2019 03:29 |
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Blenkolove 11.03.2019 03:51 |
It took me two days to finish.....(grandbabies All weekend just run me ragged!!!!!) BUT HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT LARRY KRAMER BEFORE?????? I saw The Normal Heart a few years back....i guess I just didn't make the connection til Stevendabudgie posted the link.......Larry Kramer is Such an Angry Angel......But BOY what an angel!!!!!!!! ........That bleak period of time /history, where the Government abandoned hundreds of thousands of its own people (and most likely it will NOT be the Last time) will forever remain a pox on humanity, But the people who did SOMETHING, like Larry Kramer and his ACT UP activists will Always be remembered as the VOICE for the people who are incorrectly perceived as a disposable and marginalized segment of humanity. Thank God for All the Larry Kramers in this world!!!!!!!! ...... It is sad and embarrasing that any part of humanity is ever marginalized or brutalized, especially by its own human Government........ (Brings to mind that our U.S. Government is currently taking babies and children and putting them into cages!!!! Sorry Sorry Sorry!! No politics....i know!....but those babies/children have NO voice!!!!!) Thanks again Stevendabudgie.....those links help provide me with a little more enlightenment and a little less ignorance! |
spiralstatic 11.03.2019 07:25 |
Hope you had a wonderful birthday celebration Thor and Lee (& actual birthdays) and thanks for the stories and the interview link. I only had chance to watch two or three minutes this morning, but I look forward to watching the rest. |
thundergod 11.03.2019 16:46 |
The thanks for the interview link goes to hyginasmile...All I did was post it for her. |
doughnut 11.03.2019 17:30 |
Happy birthday Lee and Thor, I hope you have had a great day xxx |
doughnut 11.03.2019 17:35 |
thank you for the link hyginasmile.....I am especially fond of Dave Richards ...RIP ... |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 11.03.2019 19:16 |
Lee- There's something about a man with a silver beard..I think the term is "silver fox" nowadays! I'm glad you two had a smashing birthday celebration. We're all glad you're still here with us too. |
Katydyd5 12.03.2019 01:18 |
Oh Doughnut, I didn't realize Dave Richards had died. I always enjoyed seeing bits of him in interviews or documentaries. He seemed to get suck a kick out of Freddie. |
Rainbow61 12.03.2019 02:22 |
Thor... Thank you for passing along that link from hyginasmile. That is now one of my favorite interviews. As I listened to the three men speak, all I could think of was what a beautiful soul Freddie was…to have met him even once would have been such a privilege. |
Rainbow61 12.03.2019 04:21 |
Lee, Loved the background info behind the group "tobogganing" photo...you all looked so carefree and happy. It whets my appetite for the other great stories you and Thor will be sharing in the book! I have a question for you that I think got "buried" a long time ago during an especially active QZ time...Have you always been interested in photography and doing slide shows? When you mentioned perfecting the slide show to tape, I assume you mean music...if so, do you recall what music you used? Was also wondering if you had looked at your Freddie slides between the last time you saw him at Garden Lodge and when you began selecting photos for the book? I imagine the selection process must have been quite bittersweet at times. |
Katydyd5 12.03.2019 12:45 |
Lee, I went back through several pages but can't find the post where you mentioned touring with a Broadway show. Was it "1776"? Can you share a bit more about that period of your life? If I'm too far into your business, ignore me. Another quick question. Earlier in an answer to Rainbow , you mentioned sitting with Peter and playing the piano. I didn't realize he played. Did he ever play in front of Freddie that you know of? Maybe for those famous sing-a-longs at Garden Lodge? Were you guys ever a part of those? |
stevendabudgie 12.03.2019 14:12 |
@Blenkolove Is there not a term like "holy Fury"? My impression is there were so many vibrant, gifted, charismatic and unique individuals in ACT UP, great writers, speakers and artists that did not make it (insertions like "died 1992", 1956- 1989)". Some of them were veterans from the gay rights and even peace movements of the 1960s and 1970s I have NOT seen this documentary, but it might be worth watching: link |
Blenkolove 12.03.2019 22:56 |
Hello Stevendabudgie!! Just for your info...that link is for the Trailer for the Vito Russo documentary. I wasn't able to find the actual documentary on YT...but it's an HBO production so it's most likely on Netflix. I will see if I can find it this weekend....it looks very interesting!!!Thanks for the lead!! Ttys Blenkolove.....aka hyginasmile! |
thundergod 12.03.2019 23:40 |
Thank you all for the great birthday wishes you've sent to us!! I think I am still hung-over...lol By the way, please send your thanks to hyginasmile. She's the one who sent me the touching Mike Moran et.al. clip to share with everyone here. She asked me to post it for her. Off to New York tomorrow. I hope the weather is not TOO cold, it was 75 to 78 degrees in Palm Springs. My PC is still behaving badly, but the last day at Lee's house, I was able to copy ALL of my files on to one incredible Sandisc - with about a billion or so, gigabytes! Amazing to hold the entire contents of about 3 or 4 years of my computer's file in one finger-sized, light-weight piece of plastic. |
thundergod 12.03.2019 23:42 |
Sorry, now I see you already thanked hyginasmile. Thanks. |
Rainbow61 13.03.2019 00:47 |
Thor, Happy birthday! (a day early). So you are flying out on your birthday? Have a fantastic trip and enjoy all the grand St. Patrick's Day festivities. I hope your family makes you a pineapple upside down cake for your birthday celebration...even though you don't want them to do anything! :) |
stevendabudgie 13.03.2019 13:14 |
@Blenkolove If you don't find "Vito": "How to Survive a Plague" is highly recommendable. It focuses on a handful of ACT UP activists (not on Kramer) who were crucial in the development of combination therapy link |
CHEVYMAN 13.03.2019 13:53 |
Thor have a nice trip enjoy time with family and friends dont drink too much drink one for me I cant drink with meds I'm on.Just think about me when your having fun I have to set and take these ivig infusions for 5 days not fun but always could be worse glad to see you be able to get away for awhile and enjoy yourself tell Lee happy b day I didnt forget him. |
FreddieDarling 13.03.2019 14:27 |
Happy Birthday wishes to Thor and Lee. Many Happy Returns, boys! :-) :-) |
NeverTooLate 13.03.2019 18:43 |
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stevendabudgie 13.03.2019 21:13 |
Happy Birthdaywishes to Thor and Lee! link |
NeverTooLate 13.03.2019 22:46 |
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doughnut 15.03.2019 16:40 |
Hi all, I have attached a link for a great interview on Freddie by Rudi Dolezal. Enjoy link |
Katydyd5 15.03.2019 17:37 |
Thanks for the link Doughnut! Interesting article. I've always liked Rudi. |
stevendabudgie 15.03.2019 17:48 |
Another video about the AIDS epidemic- according to the discription, it " is comprised of interview outtakes from the documentary motion picture VITO, about gay activist and film historian Vito Russo." link This channel also has some original episodes from "Vito Russo's Our Time" link @NeverTooLate As mentioned in How to Survive a Plague", many activists who who got diagnosed in the 1980s and survived long enough to see the introduction of cocktail treatments fell in some sort of crisis, even to the point of severe depression. Not only did they have survivor's guilt, but also difficulties in finding new purpose in life link link |
doughnut 15.03.2019 18:20 |
katydyd5 I too have always liked Rudi , he seems a lovely guy. Also sadly David Richards died in 2013 , he was only 57 . He seemed such a lovely, gentle man. |
Jo T. 17.03.2019 05:35 |
Happy St. Patrick’s Day, Lee, Thor – and others on the thread! Thor, I almost forgot to mention, if he’s working tonight, please give barman Gary a couple of platonic smooches on the cheek from me and my friend. We adored him! He was so sweet and welcoming to us, the only straight gals in the house one night earlier in the month. I had ordered a vodka tonic in honor of Freddie (Sorry, I don’t like beer.). It was cool to be able to visit one of Freddie’s old haunts in the West Village, where “Mother” and his “NY Daughters” used to hang and chill. |
Katydyd5 17.03.2019 11:47 |
Jo T., that's so cool that you visited one of Freddie's old haunts! Thor, I know how much you enjoy St. Paddy's Day in NY...…...and all the uniforms!! Happy St. Patrick's to you and all the other QZ posters! |
Jo T. 18.03.2019 05:02 |
@stevendabudgie, I got done watching the 2-hour documentary "How to Survive a Plague" for the 1st time. I hadn't heard of it prior. Wow, an absolute wow! I'm feeling a tad overwhelmed emotionally for the moment. I may comment @ a later date. It should be viewed by today's Millennials, who take HIV/AIDS treatment for granted. Thanks for the share. |
NeverTooLate 18.03.2019 18:12 |
I watched "How to Survive a Plague" about a month ago (very moving) and then watched the San Francisco version released earlier in 2010, "We Were Here." Highly recommend both. |
thundergod 19.03.2019 01:04 |
Hi all, I left New York City yesterday evening the 17th (St. Patrick's Day was celebrated on Mar.16th this year due to the 17th being on a Sunday). Apparently, no reveling on a Church day. I am now at my sister's house on Long Island. The parade was a lot of fun and I met many wonderful people from Ireland there and especially then again at the pubs! Katydyd, how did you know I love those uniformed Irish men...hehehe...I sure do. Funny story: One Irish Police Officer in uniform enjoyed our conversation and joking so much that he gave me a golden button right off of his uniform. These buttons are usually reserved for the ladies, but I managed to get one. Of course, he loved my name and introduced me to all of his police friends who were equally handsome and friendly young men...Needless to say, I was in heaven...LOL. Prior to this day, I introduced three non-Irish (lol) friends to my favorite West Village Restaurant that I sent Jo T to last week. I had discovered it originally and randomly when I met our own Robby Bloodshed in New York for dinner last year! I love it there and the French staff and French owner of this Italian Restaurant always treat me like gold. |
Freddienotfreddy 19.03.2019 07:20 |
Doughnut, That link was great. I've loved the work Rudi did with Freddie and the band, but I did not know that Rudi was the journalist for the famous "I'm just a musical prostitute, my dear" interview. |
Katydyd5 19.03.2019 12:50 |
Stevendabudgie, the documentary How To Survive a Plague was harrowing, but I thank you for sharing it. I was raising my kids in the early 80's, and while I was certainly aware of HIV/AIDS, I had limited knowledge. This piece opened my eyes, especially to the plight of those who survived. I'll never be able to fully imagine the fear, rage and solidarity of those times, but this was so educational. |
Katydyd5 19.03.2019 12:53 |
Thor, you have so much fun in NY on St. Patrick's Day! What a party that must be. I'll bet your name opens many conversations! I always think of the documentary where Trip K mentions meeting you, saying you introduced yourself by saying, "Hi. I'm Thor" , and then he mimed looking up at you and thinking, "I'll bet you are!". |
stevendabudgie 19.03.2019 21:30 |
@Blenkolove I watched "The Normal Heart" (German dubbed version ,with bad sound qualit).. Many elements of Kramer's biography are weaved into the plot. It's a really good movie with many emotional moments, especially towards the end. |
Freddienotfreddy 20.03.2019 09:21 |
Katydyd5, Which documentary is that in ? |
Freddienotfreddy 20.03.2019 09:46 |
Thor, Have you read the book written by Peter "Ratty" Hince? He mentions you by name in the book as the clear leader of Freddie's new New York friends. |
Katydyd5 20.03.2019 12:59 |
FreddienotFreddy, I was so afraid someone would ask me for the name of the documentary. I'm not sure and I have so many documentaries saved in my files, it would take me ages to find it. Can anyone help? It's the documentary where Trip Kaluf mentions Thor. |
stevendabudgie 20.03.2019 17:33 |
Wasn't it "Freddie Mercury- Freddie's Loves"? |
stevendabudgie 20.03.2019 17:33 |
Wasn't it "Freddie Mercury- Freddie's Loves"? |
FreddieDarling 20.03.2019 23:12 |
I'm not sure but I'm certain the interview is sampled in the BBC 4 documentary Freddie"s Millions (warning I personally loathe the presenters attitude! He seems very dismissive and crass to me!) The document is available in 2 parts on YouTube |
FreddieDarling 20.03.2019 23:14 |
I'm not sure but I'm certain the interview is sampled in the BBC 4 documentary Freddie"s Millions (warning I personally loathe the presenters attitude! He seems very dismissive and crass to me!) The document is available in 2 parts on YouTube P.S. I'm hugging my Freddie Wembley '86 Dolly! Love him!?? |
FreddieDarling 20.03.2019 23:14 |
I'm not sure but I'm certain the interview is sampled in the BBC 4 documentary Freddie"s Millions (warning I personally loathe the presenters attitude! He seems very dismissive and crass to me!) The document is available in 2 parts on YouTube P.S. I'm hugging my Freddie Wembley '86 Dolly! Love him!?? |
FreddieDarling 20.03.2019 23:16 |
Sorry! My WiFi connection is fannying about and resulted in multiple postings! :-( |
FreddieDarling 20.03.2019 23:18 |
P.S.Sorry! my WiFi is fannying about and resulted in multiple postings! .:-( |
FreddieDarling 20.03.2019 23:19 |
And again !!! |
FreddieDarling 20.03.2019 23:20 |
And again! |
Saint Jiub 21.03.2019 01:52 |
hmmmm ... Bohemian Rhapsody Movie: Unconscious homophobic bias ... Posthumous revenge ... link ... Bohemian Rhapsody, with its unconscious homophobic bias, in no way pays tribute to its principal figure. Instead two former Queen members have taken a neo-colonial knife to the memory of a child of immigrants who became the quintessential British rocker. During his lifetime Freddie Mercury was made to feel humiliation because of his homosexuality. In his final months he faced an aggressive reaction to his illness lead by the tabloid media. Today his life is projected through a heteronormative lens that distorts a life of artistic achievement into a barely-concealed, shameful act of posthumous revenge. ... The man in this fiction is crippled by remorse for acknowledging his homosexuality and discarding his heterosexual facade with the woman he always described as being the love of his life, Marie Austin. Queen’s musical journey and the worldwide conquest are now slaves to a heteronormative vision that has been made fit, retroactively, to the lifestyles and sensibilities of the other three members of Queen. ... In the movie Freddie Mercury almost appears as someone asking for forgiveness for being what he is. Like the real singer, screen Freddie also desires men but, in doing so, he “sins”. He does not understand, as a sequence in the film shows, that another member of the band (Taylor) does not have enough time for carousing because he has a family, a woman and children for whom he feels responsible. Screen Freddie lived out a sexuality that his time still considered mostly as deviant. This homosexuality, in the movie, leads him to make wrong choices, to damn his soul and come under evil influences. ... Mercury’s excesses - drugs, alcohol, illness and physical and psychological assaults attributed to him - are all linked to his homosexual “distraction” which caused the other band members great suffering. So too his heartless decision to abandon the pure, patient, almost virginal Mary Austin, projected through a patriarchal lens that objectifies the woman. This reaches a laughable low when Mercury is shown living alone in his London mansion, sending lamp signals to the woman of his life to keep her under his tyrannical control. Airbrushed out entirely are the people who became his second family in this period: Dave Clark, David Evans, Joe Fannelli, Peter Freestone, David Minns, Peter Straker and Barbara Valentine from Munich (a former film icon who played in several productions by Rainer Werner Fassbinder). The only person who remains is Jim Hutton, one of his last lovers, presented often as a staff member. But it was Hutton, who died in 2010, who decided to avoid conflict with Mercury’s conservative Persian Indian parents by pretending to be what he effectively became later: the singer’s gardener. |
CHEVYMAN 21.03.2019 02:35 |
Well as far as a biopic goes I heard they are strongly thinking of a sequel it wont be any better than the first.Hope they portray Jim and others in a better light however I have a feeling the love of his life no not Jim scary maryhill be portrayed as an angel yet again nursing him in his final days and we all know that didnt happen iv read Peter's book.But noone can do anything about it and in the end it's up to the producers and yes good ole Brian such a nice guy .As long as they can sleep at night more power to them. |
CHEVYMAN 21.03.2019 02:38 |
I meant mary |
CHEVYMAN 21.03.2019 02:45 |
Most people that have to try to keep proving a point like Brian and roger did with this movie now a sequel either have a bitter heart or they want us to believe it to be one way when it was exact the opposite.I think its not bitterness it's that second option that's all I got to say about that. |
Freddienotfreddy 21.03.2019 12:50 |
Katydyd5, I understand about not remembering the exact documentary. I read and watch so much, I sometimes have issues keeping it all sorted as well. I did actually watch the Freddie's Lover doc, I just don't remember that part with Trip, but it could have very well been in that one. |
Katydyd5 21.03.2019 15:56 |
FreddienotFreddy, I have so many Freddie files on my computer that it really is ridiculous. I could never go back and watch everything I've saved. Periodically I set a goal to go in to each file and take out that which no longer holds interest for me, but there is always something new to look at, so I don't get to the purging. Maybe someday...……... |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 21.03.2019 18:23 |
I don't really care that Barbara the liar wasn't in the film and he cut Straker off for a reason. HOWEVER, the fact that Phoebe and Joe, two men who were so involved in Freddie's life and were incredibly loyal and kind to him were airbrushed out is so stupid. The film is very homophobic not only because his illness and downfalls are seen as a result of him embracing his sexuality, but also his relationship with a woman takes precedence over Jim, who is relegated to a mere footnote at the end. |
CHEVYMAN 21.03.2019 21:08 |
Hooligan couldnt agree with you more now Brian and company are strongly considering a sequel through the last 6 years of life I hate that those are some very private times for him his close friends and family.I can bet one thing miss Mary will probably get credit as the one who cared for him which I dont believe is true for one I read Peter's book it was mainly Joe and phoebe poor Joe he knew he was getting sick too how hard that was for him noone gave him credit .Mary didnt like him I dont think but anyway at the end of life a person has to have bed baths be changed i dont see her doing anything beyond setting with him.But he told them they could do what they wanted with his legacy i dont think this is what he had in mind shame on them. |
CHEVYMAN 21.03.2019 21:22 |
And yes the relationship he and Mary had seemed to over shadow the one he had with Jim in the movie.I think this was deliberately done for maybe her benefit the relationship I think after their break up on her part it looked like he kinda went on but she was stuck back in time they grew older but she wanted that relationship to remain well all I can say is there is no time machine and he wasnt Michael j fox he moved on.I think his personality was a bit complex but definitely not his sexuality what they did was foolish everyone new the truth then and they know it now.It didnt give him Aids having multiple sexual partners maybe increases your chances but you can actually have sex one time with one person and get the virus.So that doesnt support that theory try again. |
Rainbow61 21.03.2019 23:22 |
Hi Thor, Glad to hear you had a splendid time celebrating St. Patrick’s Day. Seems like you are still a New York boy at heart! Did you ever have the opportunity to celebrate St. Patrick’s Day with Freddie? Sounds like the kind of party atmosphere he would have loved! (Sorry if this is a repeat question) Is there a particular spot in New York that elicits a stronger Freddie memory more than any other? By the way...what was the very last place you saw Freddie before he moved? |
Rainbow61 21.03.2019 23:31 |
Thor, You mentioned earlier that you were returning home on March 27...I don't want you to feel obligated to respond to my post during your trip back East. Enjoy your vacation!!!! Lee, Did you have as much fun celebrating St. Patrick's Day as Thor? :) |
NeverTooLate 22.03.2019 00:56 |
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lsg 22.03.2019 00:56 |
Mexican fans not Spanish fans. It happened in Puebla Mexico, not Spain, which are Spanish. (my family from Spain) Queen did nothing wrong there. Freddie put on Mexican sombrero as showing one-ship with the fans and they took offense because it was a sombrero....they thru bottles and shoes at Queen and a bottle hit John Deacon in the head. So yes, when the concert ended he said, “adios mother f’ers, you bunch of tacos.” Queen had the decency to finish the show and could have walked off, but didn’t. They vowed never to return to Mexico and Queen kept their promise and I don’t blame them. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 01:06 |
Agree with you rainbow but I want to ask them if I could they are filthy rich what's Freddie's privacy worth to them the last 6 years were very private for him and I feel out of respect they should leave sleeping dogs lie.Will this just be another slap to Jim hutton and others that cared for him in those final years you cant but a dollar amount on loyalty just my opinion. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 01:24 |
They will never spend that money in their life time they are old now what can they do once they are gone we all turn to dust we cant take money with us.If the shoe were on the other foot do yo think Freddie would sell a fake story about them I think not.Everyone wants money but they have rode his skirt tails as long as they could they could've told the truth and the film would've been just as sucessful.They are basically using his name only and building a character they think he should've been.Thats an terrible thing to do to someone if you feel a certain way about someones sexuality be man enough to say it to their face dont wait 27 years when your bank account gets low and write a phony script on how you wish they were because its disgusting and this person trusted you with everything after death including their legacy. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 01:26 |
They will never spend that money in their life time they are old now what can they do once they are gone we all turn to dust we cant take money with us.If the shoe were on the other foot do yo think Freddie would sell a fake story about them I think not.Everyone wants money but they have rode his skirt tails as long as they could they could've told the truth and the film would've been just as sucessful.They are basically using his name only and building a character they think he should've been.Thats an terrible thing to do to someone if you feel a certain way about someones sexuality be man enough to say it to their face dont wait 27 years when your bank account gets low and write a phony script on how you wish they were because its disgusting and this person trusted you with everything after death including their legacy. |
Saint Jiub 22.03.2019 03:10 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: They will never spend that money in their life time they are old now what can they do once they are gone we all turn to dust we cant take money with us.If the shoe were on the other foot do yo think Freddie would sell a fake story about them I think not.Everyone wants money but they have rode his skirt tails as long as they could they could've told the truth and the film would've been just as sucessful.They are basically using his name only and building a character they think he should've been.Thats an terrible thing to do to someone if you feel a certain way about someones sexuality be man enough to say it to their face dont wait 27 years when your bank account gets low and write a phony script on how you wish they were because its disgusting and this person trusted you with everything after death including their legacy.... but the great grandchildren need the money. Brian hates rich fat cats who did not earn their money, but his children and grandchildren will become fat cats. |
Freddienotfreddy 22.03.2019 03:20 |
link I linked to this interview previously, but it is Brian and Roger speaking just one week after Freddie died. They acknowledge that Joe, Jim, and Phoebe were the ones taking care of Freddie, and acknowledge point blank that Freddie was gay. I think a sequel would be a terrible idea. I know significant events happened after Live Aid, but I think the timeline of the film was fine. I also listened to an interview with Phoebe where he said he did not need to himself directly portrayed in the film because he sees his influence as an advisor throughout the film in things like certain dialogue etc. |
NeverTooLate 22.03.2019 03:28 |
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CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 03:32 |
I have seen the interview as well but the sequel should be facts not lies if so it is more of a fairytale than actual events to portray someone caring for him rather than who did and that could be the case if this sequel comes to pass .Film truth not fantasy. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 03:38 |
I dont think Freddie would want Jim the love of his life his final years and a part of who he was to be portrayed as they did .That's not what he meant by dont make me boring he said on one occasion if they are gonna do a story on him show warts and all he wasnt ashamed of who he was it makes you wonder were they. |
Rainbow61 22.03.2019 04:30 |
CHEVYMAN, I have yet to make a comment about the supposed BR sequel. You must be responding to someone else's post. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 12:03 |
Rainbow I'm sorry yes I was responding to someone else my mistake I must have been looking or thinking about one of your post forgive me.At leat I was thinking of you ha ha much love sorry. |
Blenkolove 22.03.2019 15:41 |
Villiers. .....i keep missing your lives!! Will you have the YouTube page ready soon???? You have covered so many topics that I have missed but DESPERATELY wanted to hear and absorb!!! .......waiting with anticipation!!! XO G. |
Rainbow61 22.03.2019 16:20 |
CHEVYVAN, No problem...we're good! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.03.2019 16:44 |
They will absolutely show Mary crying at his bedside caring for him in the sequel, even though she was not his caretaker. Joe, Jim and Phoebe deserve better |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 18:22 |
Yep at least after this sequel that will be it nothing else they can do.Im gonna be honest with everyone and put my cards on the table I dont care for Mary at all I think she was deceitful from day one how could you say you dont love someone for the first 3 years of you relationship and then they get fame and money then you love them and become joined at the hip .She even picks out the mans home for him I'm sure he asked her too bit still that's crazy.They portray her as almost a virgin Mary with not a mean bone in her body innocent I dont buy it.He was from Parsi parents they are very modest and strict with their children she left home at 15 she was a street wise young lady who knew the ropes if anything it was the other way around .She smiled to his friends faces and abided her time till the end.That is the truth they should put in this sequel but they wont. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 18:23 |
Yep at least after this sequel that will be it nothing else they can do.Im gonna be honest with everyone and put my cards on the table I dont care for Mary at all I think she was deceitful from day one how could you say you dont love someone for the first 3 years of you relationship and then they get fame and money then you love them and become joined at the hip .She even picks out the mans home for him I'm sure he asked her too bit still that's crazy.They portray her as almost a virgin Mary with not a mean bone in her body innocent I dont buy it.He was from Parsi parents they are very modest and strict with their children she left home at 15 she was a street wise young lady who knew the ropes if anything it was the other way around .She smiled to his friends faces and abided her time till the end.That is the truth they should put in this sequel but they wont. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 18:23 |
Yep at least after this sequel that will be it nothing else they can do.Im gonna be honest with everyone and put my cards on the table I dont care for Mary at all I think she was deceitful from day one how could you say you dont love someone for the first 3 years of you relationship and then they get fame and money then you love them and become joined at the hip .She even picks out the mans home for him I'm sure he asked her too bit still that's crazy.They portray her as almost a virgin Mary with not a mean bone in her body innocent I dont buy it.He was from Parsi parents they are very modest and strict with their children she left home at 15 she was a street wise young lady who knew the ropes if anything it was the other way around .She smiled to his friends faces and abided her time till the end.That is the truth they should put in this sequel but they wont. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 18:24 |
Yep at least after this sequel that will be it nothing else they can do.Im gonna be honest with everyone and put my cards on the table I dont care for Mary at all I think she was deceitful from day one how could you say you dont love someone for the first 3 years of you relationship and then they get fame and money then you love them and become joined at the hip .She even picks out the mans home for him I'm sure he asked her too bit still that's crazy.They portray her as almost a virgin Mary with not a mean bone in her body innocent I dont buy it.He was from Parsi parents they are very modest and strict with their children she left home at 15 she was a street wise young lady who knew the ropes if anything it was the other way around .She smiled to his friends faces and abided her time till the end.That is the truth they should put in this sequel but they wont. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 18:30 |
Hooligan agree with you totally.but they can do no more after this sequel.I have to be honest I dont by the Mary they portray sweet innocent modest young lady that everybody loves. She left home at 15 found a young immigrant Indian parsi that was raised by strict parents who longed for love and acceptance.I grew up in a native American family and very strict parents as well just like he did.And she manipulated him she is a liar cheat and as dishonest as anyone else .She said herself she didnt fall in love for 3 years .That's really when he started to become famous. |
Rainbow61 22.03.2019 21:18 |
Over the course of this thread there have been numerous, and sometimes extremely intense, conversations about Mary. At this point, it seems to be one of those “agree to disagree” topics. No matter what our perspective is, we can all probably acknowledge that Mary meant a lot to Freddie and that he chose to maintain a close relationship with her throughout his life. As far as a BR sequel….I can’t get upset about something that hasn’t happened yet and probably never will. The here and now is of much greater interest! For example, I read that the Freddie birthday party tickets have sold out already…and that was after they added extra tickets. That means more money for the Mercury Phoenix Trust. YEAH! That wonderful joie de vivre of Freddie continues to bring people together and work its magic. |
CHEVYMAN 22.03.2019 22:46 |
I dont think anyone would disagree with the fact Mary meant alot to him as a great life long friend slash x lover.i just mean This sequel is being strongly talked about and if it happens it wont be like the first because it's all about the $.What I'm continuing to support and not back down from is the fact I hope it gives those three men 2 of them passed away now and one still living the credit they deserve they are the ones that cared for him in the end they changed soiled sheets gave baths helped him eat that's hard work and hard to see your loved one slipping away.If they can show a relationship that died after a few years and completely ignore a man that was someone true love their rock surely they can depict who cared for him in the end on the big screen. |
Katydyd5 23.03.2019 00:47 |
I've always wished I could attend the birthday party. I think it would be such an intensely joyful experience. It's a bonus that Mercury Phoenix Trust benefits. |
Rainbow61 23.03.2019 01:44 |
Mingling with super-enthusiastic Freddie fans, soaking in the beauty of Montreux, the excitement of a birthday party, and the ever jovial Phoebe as host seems like a winning combination. Knowing the money goes to a great cause makes it even better. I would also love to attend. I have to say though, I would enjoy going to Montreux when it is quieter so that I can take it all in without the distraction of so much activity. Sitting near Freddie's statue and looking out on the lake is something I would rather do alone. |
CHEVYMAN 23.03.2019 02:07 |
Yes it's a captivating place I can see why he liked it so much and why it holds so many peaceful memories. |
Rainbow61 23.03.2019 03:32 |
CHEVYMAN, A while back you mentioned attending a Def Leppard concert with your husband in the early 90's. I don't know if you are still a fan of theirs...but did you know that Def Leppard is being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame next week? Brian May has the honor of doing the induction as he is a friend of the band. While Brian was in Las Vegas doing the Queen + Adam Lambert shows last September, he went to see Def Leppard who were playing in Vegas at the same time. Def Leppard also played at the Freddie Tribute Concert in 1992. Joe Elliot was personally contacted by Brian to be part of the show. Joe has said of the experience..."Outside of Def Leppard, it's absolutely my most favourite on stage musical moment EVER!!!...and for that & everything else you ever did, Freddie Mercury, I thank you!!" I love to hear stories of musicians supporting one another! |
CHEVYMAN 23.03.2019 15:05 |
Mee too Defleppard is an awesome band so much talent they were so young when they started I think the drummer was 15 or 16. |
koala 25.03.2019 21:13 |
Villers2, just watched your awesome Jim Hutton video. That story about Freddie staring at Jim when he was very sick just about killed me with how cute it was! Do you have the link to Peter Freestone telling it? I'd love to check it out since this is the first time I've heard of it, but can't find it (I looked through the jimercury blog, but had no luck). Thanks! |
koala 25.03.2019 21:19 |
Thor and Lee, how's the publisher search going? You guys have been pretty quiet recently, so I hope everything is well. |
lsg 25.03.2019 21:26 |
"Hi!" |
lsg 25.03.2019 21:26 |
Hi! |
lsg 25.03.2019 21:26 |
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Rainbow61 25.03.2019 22:22 |
Hi Lsgp03 and welcome! koala....Thor has been on vacation. |
Orangejuice 26.03.2019 01:38 |
Hello Thor! It’s a real pleasure to have you here and many fans are blessed by you!! I find Freddie extremely smart and interesting, and I wanted to ask one question. Did Freddie like psychology and talked/commented other people behaviour and psychology behind it? And was he a philosopher? Did he philosophy the thoughts and etc? Obviously these topics are not very often touched, but just in general:) Thank you!! |
mayqueen 26.03.2019 08:14 |
I've missed a couple weeks of post's with work, I've got to go back and do some reading! |
thundergod 26.03.2019 11:16 |
Hi All, I will be leaving New York and heading back to San Diego about nine hours from now. I am looking forward to getting back to the thread on a more frequent basis starting tomorrow (Wed) or at the latest, by the day after (Thurs). See you all then. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 26.03.2019 15:55 |
YAY! I hope you had a great time, Thor! |
Rainbow61 26.03.2019 17:13 |
Hi Lee, A very happy birthday to you! (This date was mentioned in a previous post!) |
doughnut 27.03.2019 11:32 |
Hi Thor, hope you had a blast in New York. Does steam really blow up from the pavement? sorry if its a dumb question lol I hope things are looking up for your book with Lee |
The Black Queen's Kid 27.03.2019 20:27 |
Thor, please check your pm. Thank you. |
thundergod 27.03.2019 21:53 |
I did Black Queen's Kid...and I must admit, you completely blew me away with the message! Welcome to the thread and please feel free to contribute whenever you feel like, or if you don't want to write, at least we know you are reading and THAT makes us happy too! |
thundergod 27.03.2019 22:06 |
Thank you all for your well wishes for my trip to New York. I had a great time and got to spend quality time with most of my relatives. The visit to my brother was especially rewarding as he just came through his second and latest cancer surgery. He looked good! That was such a relief. He now has to go through many more challenging therapies, medications and doctor visits. I pray that he beats this thing completely. His family (two daughters, two son-in-laws, and two beautiful children) as well as his wife are so absolutely supportive and loving, It pokes at my emotions, just to see them interact. I am blessed to have them as well as my sister's family. They all had many questions about the book and are all newly awakened Freddie/Queen fans. And...hey FreddieNotFreddy, my brother's name is FreddyNotFreddie...LOL |
lsg 28.03.2019 01:47 |
Hello, I’m a certified lurker from the previous thread, I chimed in a couple times but nothing to speak of. I want Thor and Lee to know I’ve been doing a lot of creative visualizations of the right publisher happening at the right time with the right deal. Also, glad to read your brother came thru well. In the meantime I love this hilarious outtake audio and Freddies laugh is priceless here. link |
Katydyd5 28.03.2019 02:00 |
Welcome Lsgp03, and welcome back Thor. Glad to hear you had such a great time reconnecting with your family. Good to hear that your brother is doing well, and I hope he continues on that path. Where are you in the sibling order? I'm the oldest and was the typical first child rule-follower growing up. Not so much now! |
thundergod 28.03.2019 02:33 |
Lsgp03 and Katydyd, Thank you for your kind thoughts and wishes for my brother. I am the baby of the three siblings, so I guess I was a bit spoiled and doted over. Welcome Orangejuice, As they say, a day without Orange Juice is like a day without sunshine!...haha. Tough question...I do not remember Freddie philosophizing or psychoanalyzing but he may have said certain things that went right over my head. Doughnut, Yes, steam (or rather hot air) comes through the subway grates onto the upper street. If you wear your Marilyn Monroe dress over these grates, yes, it will blow up shamelessly...LOL |
lsg 28.03.2019 03:35 |
Katydyd5 wrote: Welcome Lsgp03, and welcome back Thor. Glad to hear you had such a great time reconnecting with your family. Good to hear that your brother is doing well, and I hope he continues on that path. Where are you in the sibling order? I'm the oldest and was the typical first child rule-follower growing up. Not so much now!Thanks |
lsg 28.03.2019 03:37 |
Thank you for the welcoming. Seriously if you want to get your endorphins going, click on the link I posted up above. Freddie laugh is priceless here. |
lsg 28.03.2019 03:37 |
Thank you for the welcoming. Seriously if you want to get your endorphins going, click on the link I posted up above. Freddie laugh is priceless here. |
lsg 28.03.2019 03:39 |
Great, now I the victim of multiple posts. Hahahaha |
lsg 28.03.2019 03:48 |
My 1st reply was responding to someone who spoke derogatory of Freddie stating Freddie treated his audience with disrespect as well as well, but more relating to Freddie calling a Mexican audience a bunch of tacos. Well, since I didn’t know how to post a reply to his somewhere back like page 45 or so, my response ended up on page 153 unconnected to anything, so it meant nothing without reading what he wrote. I totally understand after what the audience DID to Queen, why Freddie and Queen never went back to Mexico. Not even Queen + AL will go. |
Jo T. 28.03.2019 04:31 |
@Lspg03, the audio outtake was hysterical. Freddie's laughter was so infectious. He sounded so young. I lost track of all the F-bombs. He drops them so eloquently, doesn't he? LOL Thor, welcome back! It's hard to leave NY, isn't it? I pray your bro beats the cancer. It's all about the people we love in the world, our family and friends, isn't it? |
Jo T. 28.03.2019 04:37 |
@Lsgp03, sorry, I spelled your name wrong. |
Rainbow61 28.03.2019 05:39 |
Welcome to QZ, Orangejuice and Black Queen's Kid! |
Rainbow61 28.03.2019 05:57 |
Hi Thor, Sounds like your brother has a great support system. Family (in whatever way a person defines that) is so important to the healing process. Continued best wishes for your big brother. So, did your family have a birthday celebration for you even though you didn't want one? I think it's great that they are newly awakened Freddie/Queen fans. They must be so excited about your book. Is there anything in particular they seem most curious about in regards to Freddie? Have they asked a lot of questions about the movie? By the way, has anyone in your family met Lee? Oops...you just got back and I am already whipping off the questions...just take your pick! |
Rainbow61 28.03.2019 06:05 |
Katydyd5, I am the oldest of three...and your description of a "typical first born-rule follower" growing up described me to a tee! |
Katydyd5 28.03.2019 11:43 |
Lsgp, I did listen to your link. I actually have that one in my files and consider it a gem. Even though it is only audio I can totally picture what was going on, and Freddie is having so much fun that it is infectious. Brian has often said it is hard to quote Freddie without the F bomb, and this audio supports that. Thanks also for explaining your first post about Mexico. Now I understand what you were saying. When it first appeared it was like, "What???????????". I hoped you'd come back and tell us where you were going with it. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 28.03.2019 16:04 |
Thor I'm so happy to hear about your brother. I'm sending my well wishes. We are also so happy to have you back! How is Lee? |
The Black Queen's Kid 28.03.2019 23:12 |
For those of you who buy into astrology Mercury is direct at the moment. What does that mean? When Mercury stations direct it is strongest of all in its energy and potency. Mercury is known as the planet of communication and the ruler of both Virgo and Gemini zodiac signs. I'm a Gemini (June 17). Our beloved Freddie was a Virgo. Communicate away my friends. The stars command it! |
NeverTooLate 29.03.2019 01:01 |
Welcome back Thor! Your trip sounds like it was amazing. |
thundergod 29.03.2019 01:11 |
I am Pisces...but that is a bit fishy Black Queen's Kid...lol |
thundergod 29.03.2019 01:12 |
Thank you nevertoolate |
lsg 29.03.2019 02:49 |
Jo T. wrote: @Lspg03, the audio outtake was hysterical. Freddie's laughter was so infectious. He sounded so young. I lost track of all the F-bombs. He drops them so eloquently, doesn't he? LOL Thor, welcome back! It's hard to leave NY, isn't it? I pray your bro beats the cancer. It's all about the people we love in the world, our family and friends, isn't it?@JoT....right?! Glad you enjoyed it. It raises my spirit every time I hear it. |
lsg 29.03.2019 02:49 |
Jo T. wrote: @Lspg03, the audio outtake was hysterical. Freddie's laughter was so infectious. He sounded so young. I lost track of all the F-bombs. He drops them so eloquently, doesn't he? LOL Thor, welcome back! It's hard to leave NY, isn't it? I pray your bro beats the cancer. It's all about the people we love in the world, our family and friends, isn't it?@JoT....right?! Glad you enjoyed it. It raises my spirit every time I hear it. |
lsg 29.03.2019 02:49 |
Jo T. wrote: @Lspg03, the audio outtake was hysterical. Freddie's laughter was so infectious. He sounded so young. I lost track of all the F-bombs. He drops them so eloquently, doesn't he? LOL Thor, welcome back! It's hard to leave NY, isn't it? I pray your bro beats the cancer. It's all about the people we love in the world, our family and friends, isn't it?@JoT....right?! Glad you enjoyed it. It raises my spirit every time I hear it. |
lsg 29.03.2019 02:49 |
Jo T. wrote: @Lspg03, the audio outtake was hysterical. Freddie's laughter was so infectious. He sounded so young. I lost track of all the F-bombs. He drops them so eloquently, doesn't he? LOL Thor, welcome back! It's hard to leave NY, isn't it? I pray your bro beats the cancer. It's all about the people we love in the world, our family and friends, isn't it?@JoT....right?! Glad you enjoyed it. It raises my spirit every time I hear it. |
lsg 29.03.2019 02:50 |
Oops! Now I understand what everyone else was going thru. |
NeverTooLate 29.03.2019 03:06 |
You have to click on the "post message" button once and only once and then *not click it again*. It takes a minute for your post to show up, but it will, even though it looks like nothing is happening. |
lsg 29.03.2019 03:09 |
NeverTooLate wrote: Yeah, you have to click on the "post message" button once and only once and then *not click it again*. It takes a minute for your post to show up, but it will, even though it looks like nothing is happening. People get impatient and hit the post message button overAndover and end up with multiple duplicate posts and don't understand why. Remember: press once and only once then hands off! ;)Hi @NeverTooLate, thanks, and it’s “never to late” to learn something new, but this site is slooooooowww posting. Geeeez |
NeverTooLate 29.03.2019 03:19 |
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CHEVYMAN 29.03.2019 03:30 |
Hi glad you are back thor hope you had a great time with family and friends I'm pleased your brother is doing well prayers for him and his family that he will be healed I know he has been through alot.Hope you get some rest now that you are back take care and keep posting. |
NotQuiteAShilling 29.03.2019 05:00 |
Welcome back Thor! That is great news about your brother |
The Black Queen's Kid 30.03.2019 13:11 |
Can anyone provide details on how to find Villers2 YouTube channel? It sounds very interesting. Thank you. |
doughnut 30.03.2019 14:59 |
Thor, I will make sure I wear my Marilyn Monroe dress if I visit New York . :) Its been a w hile, please do tell us something heartwarming about Freddie. I have just seen a vile Jim hating thread on this site and so I need to hear something good. My goodness some people really hate Jim, it is very scary. |
CHEVYMAN 30.03.2019 15:13 |
Doughnut I just dont get it if they dont like Freddie and Jim relationship stay off this forum they should know what we are gonna be talking about this should be a safe place to ask questions without being insulted.Maybe these haters have pain coming from somewhere possibly mommy issues it has to be something you just dont hate for no reason. |
Blenkolove 30.03.2019 15:41 |
The Black Queen's Kid...... Go to instagram.....search Queen_memes.kl She has link to her YT site. But there is only two loaded at this time. Hope this helps!! |
doughnut 30.03.2019 17:27 |
CHEYMAN I don't understand it either. It seems that there is someone who has created several instragram accounts to troll those that discuss Jim. It now appears the person is on here too. I love Queen and Freddie so I am so distrubed by what I have seen. Jim was just the gardener, Jim's book is all lies, Jim went to a sex club in the weeks before Freddie died, Jim didn't help care for Freddie and on and on. What is wrong with people. |
doughnut 30.03.2019 17:32 |
the person is called FreddieDearie so keep a look out. |
Invisible Woman 30.03.2019 18:32 |
I don't understand that someone spend so much time posting bad things about Jim and presents some own view as facts. |
thundergod 30.03.2019 19:07 |
I have not seen the forum/thread you are referring to and I am glad not to ever read it. Phoebe was with or near Freddie 24/7. from 1980 to 1991. I believe his book and the truths he stated. Anyone else, who was not there does not have a clue. As my sister often says, "let it go in one ear and out the udder."....lol |
thundergod 30.03.2019 19:15 |
OK doughnut...something heartwarming from Freddie: When we asked the clean-shaven, short haired, mustached, jean clad Freddie about his previous long hair, painted finger nails and outrageous costumes from the early days before we knew him, he simply said, "Oh, darling, I looked just hideous!...…..but it WORKED!" |
thundergod 30.03.2019 19:16 |
P.S....the statement I just shared is NOT in the book...lol |
doughnut 30.03.2019 20:33 |
Invissible Woman I don't understand either. Great advice Thor, your sister gives good advice. I love thay story. When I look back on the fashion over the years I think the same. I love how he thought he looked hideous . Later on I have read that he said in interviews that it was all an act and he never took himself seriously. I like that about him. I guess that is why he recorded the Great Pretender . Can I ask, with all this chat about Freddie who was your fab friend, has it ever made you sad and caused you to shed a tear or two. It must be so hard . I really respect you and Lee and how protective you are with what you tell us. You are both ace :) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 30.03.2019 21:03 |
I love that because I’ve wondereed how he looked back upon the glam years. I honestly think he looked amazing in the 80’s. Was he more handsome in person than in photographs? Hard to imagine, as that bone structure was amazing! Don’t pay attention to the Jim hater if she comes in here. I honestly think she has some mental health challenges. I have no reason to doubt Jim, and if Freddie loved him it speaks volumes. Same with you, Thor and Lee. It seems in the last year or so he surrounded himself with those of good character. |
CHEVYMAN 30.03.2019 21:08 |
Thor that 70s look was my favorite some of those pictures of him were so beautiful.He could make anything work for him there is a shot were they are all bare chested wrapped up in each other very skinny and honey they could've been girls especially Freddie and Roger it was beautiful.They cant capture true art like they used too. |
thundergod 30.03.2019 21:15 |
Well doughnut, Before Freddie looked very sick, it was necessary to just pretend that nothing was wrong with him for our own sanity. After the last Garden Lodge visit in June 1991, both Lee and I were quite distraught. The physical friend that we loved for eleven years would not be around anymore within the next few months. Freddie's death left me with a hollow spot in my heart. I cried and cried at first feeling that my heart had burst open. Then as the human spirit requires, I was able to lock it up into a walled off portion of my heart. As time went on, Freddie would come back occasionally in dreams, upon reaching certain special yearly dates, and when hearing a song. To tell you the truth, purposely listening to Queen music was unfortunately basically stopped. It was too painful. I became able to manage my life by limiting certain remembrances of Freddie and was able to move on. Now, when the first thread started, I found that the memories of Freddie were no longer so painful. I had accidentally tapped into a group of people who loved him and never let him go. Memories rushed back into my head, prompted by a wonderful group of Queen/Freddie super fans.. Recalling this period in my life, mostly good thoughts, but, of course, also some tragic ones, became much easier. The difference this time around was that I felt uplifted recalling the stories and moments and was not made sad by them, but rather, quite proud! This was all due to the QueenZone people and I thank all of you for allowing this to happen. Your support, your undying love for Freddie, your friendliness and respect for me (and Lee) has relaunched this journey of love for me. Freddie is with me every day now since June 2017. He has come back into Lee's life as well. I feel very comfortable again with my dear friend who I realize now, never really died at all. Sorry if this piece is a bit dramatic. The resurgence of my memories of Freddie can be overwhelming at times. |
CHEVYMAN 30.03.2019 21:21 |
Doughnut I definetly will watch out I think I know who you are talking about she called phoebe names too I blocked her she claimed to me she was in law enforcement.She also told me she was there at Freddie's house when he died and Mary was taking care of him not phoebe Jim or joe.I knew then she was nuts just block her.I hope she dosnt find her way here.I will try to be civil but I will go off on her. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 30.03.2019 21:29 |
Hello, All! This is my first post on the forum, but I’ve been reading this thread for months (as well as the previous one). I’m finally on Spring Break (I teach 2nd graders), so I thought I’d post and introduce myself. I recently became a Queen fan after seeing Bohemian Rhapsody for the second time, but I was married to a huge Queen fan for 13 years. Fortunately, we are still very close as I’ve been bugging him ever since with questions and trivia about the band ever since. I’ve always enjoyed Queen’s music. I remember watching Live Aid at home when I was 15 and was amazed by how good Queen’s performance was. After hearing Freddie speak and thinking, “I didn’t realize they were British”. I’ve read at least 10 books about Freddie since then and have seen every interview/performance I could find on YouTube. Freddie seemed like such an amazing human being in so many ways. I love hearing from Thor and Lee. I can’t wait for the book! I have a few questions that I haven’t seen answered here (forgive me if I’ve overlooked them). 1. Did you ever see Freddie cry? I know Phoebe said that he hadn’t. 2. Did you ever play table tennis against Freddie? I’ve read that he was unbeatable. Thanks for your time. Happy belated birthday, Thor and Lee! |
thundergod 30.03.2019 21:35 |
CHEVYMAN... Reminder - we use ignore and isolate here. Please don't even engage them, not even once. |
thundergod 30.03.2019 21:43 |
Welcome EmeraldBarSweeper! Thanks for coming out of the shadows. You input here is very important to us, but only if you feel like writing to us. I have never seen Freddie cry. He never dwelled on anything negative and could make an otherwise sad story or feeling into a happy, exciting one. Take crazy Bill Reid for example...he could turn a majorly wrecked hotel room fight into a proud moment. You'll see the photo regarding this event in the book. |
thundergod 30.03.2019 21:45 |
Never even knew that Freddie liked table tennis. Lee might remember something. I do think I saw a table tennis setup in the garden...but it is not a clear memory for me. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 30.03.2019 21:58 |
Thanks, Thor! I wasn’t expecting such a speedy reply, but I’m appreciative. Apparently, Freddie was a school table tennis champion and even played band members and others with his right hand behind his back because he was so good. And he still always won! I love reading about your memories of Freddie. It doesn’t seem like it’s been 27 years since he left us. What a horrible loss. I lost my uncle to AIDS in 1986. Sadly, I never knew him as my family was very religious and disapproved of his lifestyle so much that he was never able to visit (he lived in San Francisco and we’re on the east coast). That is one of the reasons why I am turned off by religion, but that’s a whole other topic... |
CHEVYMAN 30.03.2019 22:37 |
Thor I wont do anything to disrespect this thread but these folks seriously have some pain that needs therapy of some sort or a padded cell because they can turn a beautiful thing into a an ugly thing and anything that represents Freddie from what I have read is loving fun peaceful and just a joy to be around. |
NeverTooLate 30.03.2019 22:51 |
Thor, Your description of coping with the loss of your wonderful friend and putting some barriers up in the initial years to be able to move on, really resonated. The ying/yang pull of wanting to keep him in your life and at the same time needing to numb the pain/hurt/loss and forgetting for awhile is well-stated. I'm so glad you've rediscovered aspects of your friendship with Freddie in your dreams and feel him in your lives even today. I'd like to believe he is still around all of those he loved while he shared this earth dimension, encouraging and inspiring each in his unique way. Something I found comforting when I read Hutton's book was how he described Freddie looking not merely at peace in death, but "radiant and ecstatic." A good exit when the time comes is what I think we all wish for -- especially so for a loved one. No one wants any loved one to linger in pain or despair, and when they can't be healed then a peaceful journey out of a body that is no longer healthy or habitable is a sacred blessing in the end. Love continues, grows and transcends, for energy cannot be destroyed, merely transformed. |
CHEVYMAN 30.03.2019 23:03 |
But I think even in someones sickness as soon as they pass you will look at them and they no longer look sick anymore my uncle died with same thing as Freddie he was over 6 foot tall his body looked like it had skin stretched over bones but after he died he looked so good like my uncle again maybe that was my mind playing tricks on me.But he definitely had a different look to him after he passed. |
Katydyd5 31.03.2019 00:01 |
Wow, you guys have been busy today! There are several things I'd like to comment on. First, Thor, thanks so much for your heartfelt post about your feelings after Freddie died. It touched me that we have been able to be a part of your healing. This is the only thread I read on QZ because it is usually so kind and welcoming. I feel like I am coming to a group of friends where I can openly talk about someone I love and admire . Thor, you and Lee have created a safe place for all of us. Most of us who post on this thread make a great effort to be open to all of the people Freddie held dear in his life. Mary and Jim are both polarizing figures but we are able to keep it civil out of respect for Freddie. I have made some friends here who I enjoy immensely. I believe Thor and Lee made that possible. Thanks guys! |
Katydyd5 31.03.2019 00:20 |
Whoops, sent that last post before I was finished. I think Freddie was beautiful in all of his incarnations, but I have to admit that I liked the mustache period best. You could really see his face and bone structure. I also liked the clean shaven look that came after, though I am aware if was for a sadder purpose. The early years were fun! He could pull off any look he wanted. There was only one look that I didn't like and I'm not sure I can even describe it. His hair was very styled, brushed completely back from his face in almost a pageboy look. Luckily that one was short-lived. Oh, and the short, curly Crazy Little Thing Called Love look was super sexy. Emerald, welcome! I taught 2nd grade for most of my career. Old enough to be able to do some wonderful things, but young enough that they still hadn't developed attitude. I had read that Freddie perfected his table tennis as a young boy on the long trips by sea to the boarding school. Apparently there was a table on board ship and they passed the time playing. I think Brian said that he was unbeatable in later years. I had also heard the story of him playing with his right hand behind his back. Was there a table in one of the backstage scenes in the Bo Rhap movie? I could be wrong, but if so, it would have been a nod to that part of his life. NeverTooLate, your posts are always so articulate. Everything you said about Thor's post was so well said. I often am thinking the same things, but am not so finessed. I'm curious, is writing part of your career? Ok, now I think I am finished. I get the feeling that Lee takes notes as he reads when he stops by so that he can answer everything at once. I should pick up that technique so that I can get it all in one post. |
thundergod 31.03.2019 00:43 |
Katydyd, You took the words out of my mouth. I too am way impressed with NeverTooLate's writing skills. I read her reply three times over because it flowed so beautifully. I wish I had that skill. Maybe the book would have been picked up already if Lee and I could write that eloquently...just kidding of course. The book has to be in our own writing styles to maintain its authenticity. |
The Black Queen's Kid 31.03.2019 03:10 |
[Dramatic Voice] Where is Lee? What have you people done with Lee?! [Exit stage left] |
thundergod 31.03.2019 03:26 |
Oh, that old lazy good for nothing so and so... Just Kidding...he is at work right now. I will be visiting him again on April 6th for a few days of work and play. I will tell him you all miss him and try to get him to make an appearance. |
NeverTooLate 31.03.2019 04:10 |
Katy, thank you for the nice compliment! Yes writing has been an important skill in my career. All business-oriented, marketing, and sometimes technical, depending on the various jobs I held. |
NeverTooLate 31.03.2019 04:35 |
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Rainbow61 31.03.2019 04:50 |
Thor, Thank you for that beautiful and personal recollection of how you dealt with such a devastating loss. The golden thread interwoven throughout the stories you and Lee share is the respect and love you both had for Freddie…it shines through every time. I know your book will be a loving tribute to a person that we all treasure, but for whom you were lucky enough to call a dear friend. I only hope that when I get my copy in the mail that it arrives on a weekend because I’m sure I will want to read it in one sitting...no matter how late I have to stay up!!! |
Rainbow61 31.03.2019 06:02 |
Welcome Emerald, I was a 3rd grade teacher for most of my career. Our spring break was always in the middle of April...but that is because we had a mid-winter vacation in February. This is a great community of Queen fans. We certainly differ in background and life experience and yes, sometimes points of view.. but that is what makes the conversations interesting. I have learned so much from the people here. Thor...I looked back at your first post. I almost does not seem possible it will be 2 years this summer that you first made your presence known. Wow...I bet you didn't anticipate this outcome when you first introduced yourself. The unexpected directions life takes us.... |
Freddienotfreddy 31.03.2019 10:26 |
Thor, I'm glad your FreddienotFreddy is fairing well and I wish him continued recovery. I remember Phoebe telling a story (on his blog I believe) about Freddie receiving an award that had his name spelled as Freddy and him telling Phoebe he could have it because he (Freddie) didn't know who "Freddy Mercury" was. Speaking of our favorite Freddie looks, I think he was his most beautiful around The Works/Live Aid era. My second favorite is between 1977-79, when his hair is getting shorter every year, but he hasn't grown the mustache yet. I think he absolutely adorable in those couple years before he went full sexy with the mustache in 1980. |
doughnut 31.03.2019 10:52 |
Thank you so much for your honest and heartfelt reply Thor. Time is a great healer; I am so happy that you have found this group of lovely people and are happy to share your memories with us. Never before have I become so interested in a person in the public eye; I have been surprised at my own emotions, 27 years after his death and I found myself greiving because he was was one of a kind. There hasn't been anyone like Freddie since. My favourite Freddie look starated from the period where he cut his hair shorter and grew the moustache, I preferred Freddie with a moustache which is funny in a way as I have read that this look didn't go down very well with some fans . I think that Freddie looked awsome during the Magic Tour. What intrigues me is Freddie's change of style in the years after the Magic Tour . You will notice in videos and photos floating around that he started to dress more formal in smart trousers , shirt and tie. I have seen him say in a few interviews that he felt he wouldn't always be able to run around the stage in tights etc. Thor/Lee did you notice a difference in Freddie after the Magic Tour but before he was diagnosed compared to your new york days? :) |
Katydyd5 31.03.2019 11:35 |
NTL, I just knew you had writing in your background! Your posts are so polished and I look forward to reading them. Writing is my favorite way to express myself too, though I tend to put my fingers to the keys and just spew my thoughts out. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 31.03.2019 20:06 |
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thundergod 31.03.2019 20:10 |
OH NO.... A destroyed message from Lee...I hope you saved a copy Lee. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 31.03.2019 20:20 |
Well, he’s back. Black Queen’s Kid...thank you for your concern, and I deserve it. When Thor left the last time he bound me with duct tape so I wouldn’t go out to the clubs we frequent here and steal his thunder (pun intended). He didn’t want me to be having too much fun without him as my wingman. Truth be told, I need to recover from the going out thing after Thor’s visits, as that young kid wears me out. Thank you one and all for the birthday greetings. Thor and I decided that we REALLY didn’t finish our celebrating in true Mother fashion, and we will be continuing the celebration next week end. Also thank you for the St Patrick’s day wishes. I worked, which I’ve been doing a lot lately, and that’s fine. I’m journeying to Ireland in a few months for a friend’s wedding at Waterford Castle (I was seriously tricked into it...) more about that later. I made a promise to myself that I would have it paid for in advance, unlike my last trip. (Yuck). It was on my bucket list, but didn’t think 8 would go this soon. I am Irish, German, and mostly Italian. I brag the most about the Italian part. SO for clarification I sent my spit into Ancestry.com, you just spit in an envelope, right? |
CHEVYMAN 31.03.2019 20:39 |
Lee I'm glad your back buddy I have missed you. I love reading your post you are so funny guy.What is your favorite drink when you go out mine is beer and tomato juice most people think its nasty but actually really good.I had a really bad experience with a liquor called everclear I will never try that one again it was the first time I had ever drink anything and I was a mess so embarassing I'm a light weight I cant hold my drink well but the state I live in are full of little pubs and bars.Us country folks know how to throw a party and a bail of hay well I guess that's all for now dont have to much fun over the weekend and if you do have a tomato beer for me. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 31.03.2019 20:42 |
Well, that was rude, my post was stolen. As I was saying what I heard back from them was that I was mostly Irish and Scottish, with some French, and Southern European. Gggrrrr. Oh well. Doughnut I was particularly taken aback by your mention of the Jim hating thread you read. Thor summed up our philosophy here abut that sort of communication form those people, but I sincerely thank you for saying that as I had no idea that there was that sort of thinking. It is so wrong. Thank you again. Sad. Was it Emerald Bar Sweeper that posted that review from the Irish Times about BH? Kinda hit it on the head in a couple of ways, right? I’m out of order here, but yes it’s Freddie’s Loves where the Thor comment is made. We had a great laugh over that. My tape (yes tape...it was the aughts, you know) of the show is red on my tv stand and we always say we’re gonna give it another look, but there were several things about that show that frustrated us. Chevyman. Yes I have good things to say for sure. Tell me, have you an article or site you can post for us regarding there being a sequel. I actually thought that it would be amazing to clarify things with a “last six years” approach to the story. We all agree that there might have been some choices made to give the Hollywood film feel to the movie. Even Phoebe has said he was comfortable with their choice to exclude him, be it the right move or not, and was pleased to be respected as an authority while on the set. I’ve taken a few days off for a mental health stint and will check in soon. I checked more than a few times when Thor was out of town but there wasn’t much action here, and that I understand. In closing, for now, you MUST feel assured that Thor and I have the utmost appreciation and gratitude for all of your support, contributions to the blog, and encouragements. Later, for sure. |
thundergod 31.03.2019 21:25 |
Speaking of ancestry, For my birthday, my sister bought me a "23 & me" kit which I immediately sent in and now have results already. Well, it is official, my brother, my sister and I all have 25% shared genes with a man name Paul, originally from New York State but currently living in Las Vegas indicative of a half-brother. I made contact with him yesterday. My brother and sister have also made recent contact with him. When he sent me his current picture yesterday, it was as if I was looking at a picture of my deceased father...incredible!. I made up a joke because over time, my family has discovered that our dad was quite the ladies man. I now joke that my career military father after fighting in WWII felt an obligation to help repopulate the world...lol Things were so hush, hush in those days and more and more skeletons keep dropping out of the closet. We've heard of another half-brother in Germany after searching through our departed grandmother's personal letters, although If he is still around he is not registered with 23&me...(yet). Anyway, my brother, sister and I will either all get together in Las Vegas to meet him or we will buy him a plane ticket to attend our annual family reunion in New York, this year on July 20th..The latter seems more probable. P.S. I already told Paul that I am gay and of my connection with Freddie Mercury as well as the book. |
CHEVYMAN 31.03.2019 22:02 |
I believe it was an article online along with them talking about the BR movie finally viewing in china.It went on to say production was strongly considering a sequel to the movie since the first one had done so well in theaters.I have mixed feelings about the film and the way the next one might be portrayed but cant do anything about it it's always a person's choice not to view it and if they want to view it go see it.I guess we will have to wait and see.I think in the end the truth is known and it doesnt change anything it's a movie entertainment and serves its purpose. |
queenbuzz 31.03.2019 22:27 |
THOR, How unbelievably exciting! I love this story and that you will meet! I have a friend, similar ancestry match, she met her birth father, (she was adopted) even though he lives across the country they visit, share holidays and it has changed her world for the better! Congratulations! Fantastic story! |
queenbuzz 31.03.2019 22:27 |
THOR, How unbelievably exciting! I love this story and that you will meet! I have a friend, similar ancestry match, she met her birth father, (she was adopted) even though he lives across the country they visit, share holidays and it has changed her world for the better! Congratulations! Fantastic story! |
emdee0809 31.03.2019 23:52 |
First time ever posting on any forum, so forgive me if I do or say something inappropriate. I, as well as many newcomers, have become obsessed with Freddie since the movie. I have been like a sponge trying to absorb as much information as I can about him and the band. When I found this forum, it was a dream come true. I am so impressed with the amount of knowledge that so many of you have generously shared. Thor and Lee, what an honor to have the pleasure of corresponding with two of Freddie's loyal friends. That being said, I have tried to read as much of the forum and catch up with the latest as to not repeat any questions, but I am afraid I just couldn't wait.:) I have been teaching junior high language arts for over 40 years (showing my age) and I have found music to be the perfect tool for creative lessons. I am fortunate enough to be able to take my class to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. We are making the journey in May, thus the need to post now. I am going to use Freddie as my "teachable" moment, which is leading to my questions: 1. What traits of Freddie do you feel are most "teachable"? Also, I am looking for specific lines from Queen lyrics that I can use for students to respond to in a journal entry. If neither of these are worthy - carry on with the topics. I love everyone's perspective!! |
The Black Queen's Kid 01.04.2019 00:17 |
My "Ancestry.com" results indicate a very vanilla England-Scotland-Wales-Northern European back ground. I had hoped for some exciting Spanish Conquistador legacy, but alas we are all kind of "meh". |
thundergod 01.04.2019 00:29 |
Welcome Emdee, Wow, a teachable moment about Freddie. If I were to teach something about Freddie, it would be the limitless extent of his down-to-earth, non-pretentious, kind, generous ,empathetic and loving nature, despite having reached worldwide superstardom. Not many can pull that off and still remain real .He genuinely loved his fans as well as those working behind the scenes, allowing his concerts and the production of his albums to run flawlessly. Also, despite his inevitable weakening and surmise from a poorly understood disease, he maintained a constant sense of dignity,selflessness and optimism throughout He remained interested that those near to him were provided for; never self-pitying nor complaining about his fate. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 01.04.2019 00:29 |
Welcome Emdee. We LOVE newbies. The teachable moment that comes to mind About Freddie is his kindness, generosity, and thoughtfulness. I mean, how many people do you know that carry around a birthday book with them so you don’t miss soneone’s special day. I have many cards from Freddie that I cherish, and even a telegram, remember those, when one year it snuck up on him. He wouldnt miss sending cheer. And the gift of laughter. That sincere laugh that be heard on that audio someone posted is such a joy to hear. Phoebe pointed out that you really never heard that in the film and I agree. CHEVYMAN...I love beer. And tequila being from a plant CAN’T be bad for you. I’m gonna try that beer and t.j. Idea, but I’d have to be buzzed. Ha! Vodka and Scotch and me just DON’T get along. That everclear sounds dangerous. Did I get the name right? Try half champagne (my favorite) and half Guinness Stout as a brunch drink. Delish. Is everyone groaning at that thought? Yummy. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 00:31 |
As for Queen lyrics...I predict there will be a flood of suggestions from many of these wonderful QZ contributors...just wait! |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 00:33 |
Thor glad you found your brother I hope you guys meet soon and have alot in common I only have one sibling I'm 6 years older than her I was born in 73 her in 79..I dont have any others that I know of but who knows my father was over seas in the Vietnam war so there could be somebody out there just kidding I always wanted a brother but I have one sister be happy you have all these wonderful siblings to share your life with.When our parents pass our siblings play such a important role in our life. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 00:35 |
I would suggest the lyrics and the video of "These are the Days of Our Lives" which blends in perfectly if you like my teachable moment suggestion. It is such a brave song in the face of Freddie's fate. You know that he wrote this song for us to help with his leaving us. Warning: it is a tear jerker. |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 00:40 |
My DIL gave me the 23 and Me kit for Christmas. No real surprises, I'm slightly more than half German, another sizable chunk of English/Scottish, and then some misc. thrown in. I didn't choose to give them the info that would have connected me with relatives. Maybe I should have, but I don't think there is anything interesting there. We are kind of a boring lot. On the other hand my brother did the Ancestry kit and did give them more info. I'll let him tell me if there is anything fun in our background. Good to see you stop by Lee. You are right, we were quiet while Thor was gone. I'll bet if you had let us know you were here we might have been sparked into action. I think a wedding in Ireland at a castle would be lovely. Have you been to Ireland before? I hope you'll tell us more when you can. Thor and Lee, your 40 year friendship is remarkable. I have a few of that duration and those people are family to me. Were you two seeing each other as often before the book as you are now or is this a bit of a reconnection for you? |
thundergod 01.04.2019 00:48 |
This has been a MAJOR reconnection and I am so happy for it. It's back to me, Lee, Freddie...and of course, Phoebe. |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 00:48 |
Welcome Emdee! I think Lee and Thor gave you wonderful ideas for teachable moments. Do your students know you are a Freddie fan? I'll need to think on lyric ideas a bit, but I'm sure you'll get some ideas from the people here. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 00:52 |
Here you go Emdee, If interested, I've made it easy for you...the lyrics are written out there. Oh and the song was written in a collaboration of all four members of Queen. link |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 01:01 |
Mother Love is also a really pretty song too I think Brian had to sing the last part because Freddie was unable to finish. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 01:10 |
CHEVYMAN- So it looks like Mother Love was released after Freddie's passing. Interesting. |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 01:33 |
link Thor, here's a link to "Mother Love". It's on the Made In Heaven CD and was released several years after Freddie's death. The song is very poignant because Freddie is clearly contemplating his death in the lyrics. Things like "I long for peace before I die", "I don't need no stormy affair", etc. Brian says they worked together on the lyrics with Freddie wanting to keep pushing on. At some point he became too tired to finish and told Brian he would have to come back another day. Unfortunately he never made it and Brian sings the final verse. The song ends with a brief "ay-oh" and then a brief one second sound from every song they ever recorded. Most times when it comes on in my car I cry. If you listen, be prepared. He puts everything out there. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 01.04.2019 01:34 |
Thanks for all of the warm welcomes! I agree that These are the Days of Our Lives is a great song that would be perfect to introduce to students. As for my second graders, I play them music all the time. We go down the hall to the buses listening to and singing Radio Gaga, with the arm motions and everything. They also really like the song Delilah. I love hearing the stories about Freddie. Thanks, Thor and Lee, for sharing them with us. The quality that I admire the most about Freddie was the way he always put others first, even when he was dying. If only more people out there were as selfless and generous as Freddie, the world would be such a better place. Lee, I admire your taste in spirits. I only like drinking tequila (mixed with anything), as well as beer (of which I’ve built up a pretty high tolerance lately). I hope you both have a wonderful and safe birthday celebration. |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 01:35 |
Emdee, here's a link I often use if I want to clarify lyrics. link It's a complete list of every song the band recorded, and the songs are listed in the order the albums were released. It's a great place to start if you are looking for lyrics to hook your kids into writing. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 01:38 |
Katydyd Its a beautiful song isn't it especially the ending when the baby cries. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 01.04.2019 01:39 |
Mother Love is a great song. The ending gets me every time. I’ve also been listening to Was it All Worth It a lot lately. Freddie’s optimism and joy toward life amazes me. What an incredibly strong person he must have been. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 01:45 |
Emerald yes Freddie was strong I think it's those Indian roots coming out that's something we have in common usually when Indians are I'll they suffer quietly and pray to their God they stay strong and show no weakness it's just a Indians way I dont know if that's why he was like that with his illness or it was just him or a little both maybe only his God knows the answer. |
emdee0809 01.04.2019 01:51 |
Thor and Lee, Thanks so much for your quick response. I had some idea of what I was going to use, but it comes nowhere near the personal touch you have added through your relationship with Freddie. I think my favorite part of this project for me is going to be when I tell the students I reached out to two of Freddie's friends for information about him. I can't wait to share your insight with them. On a side note - I too did 23 and me. 38% Italian - just what I was hoping for, Lee!! I too wanted that Italian heritage:) |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 02:00 |
I'm curious. All these DNA tests...……..is that an American fascination or is it universal? |
emdee0809 01.04.2019 02:03 |
And thanks so much everyone for all the suggestions. I am definitely going to check out those out. My students do know I am a Freddie fan. At first, they were quite surprised. Not sure why - sometimes they have a hard time thinking I have a life outside of the classroom. A student sketched a beautiful picture of Freddie in art class and I have been begging her for it ever since it was displayed in the hallway showcase. I was just as surprised so many kids know Freddie. Again, if one thing the movie did, it introduced a new generation to the legendary Freddie Mercury. Again, everyone on here seems so kind and generous. I do thank you all!! I am new to this, so it will take me a while to get used to posting. I can see this may become addicting!! |
Jo T. 01.04.2019 02:23 |
@EmeraldBarSweeper, I love your name! John "Deaky" Deacon's underrated "Spread Your Wings" is in my personal Top 3 Queen songs of all time. I like Freddie's wardrobe, the starry glasses and both his and Roger's leather bomber jackets. I love how Freddie arches his head back and pours his soul out in song. Your heart breaks for Sammy and hope his dreams come true. Check out the official video that I've watched far too many times in the past 6 mos. (link. |
emdee0809 01.04.2019 03:06 |
As I am trying to catch up in reading this thread from the beginning, random thoughts enter my mind so I am going to ask hoping it hasn't been discussed. If so just reference me to a page number!! The next time I travel to NYC, I would like to go on a Freddie tour. For example- relive a day or two on the town with Freddie and the NYC Daughters! Thor and Lee- where would you send me? |
NeverTooLate 01.04.2019 03:14 |
Jo.T. There's a cool bit of trivia with that video you posted the links to. I read this in Peter "Ratty" Hince's book. He was one of the primary roadies for Queen and assisted Freddie and John the most. The video was filmed on the grounds of the estate Roger had just purchased. Peter Hince said it was a bitterly cold day and Freddie didn't have any gloves, so Peter offered him his roadie gloves, which are covered with duck tape in spots and has "Ratty" marked on the outside of them. Those gloves are old and worn. Freddie wore them for all the songs they filmed that day and was grateful to have them. :-) |
NotQuiteAShilling 01.04.2019 03:26 |
Thor - what you wrote about this group reconnecting you to your Freddie memories in a new positive way really touched me. thank you so much for sharing that. I also love that this forum and the book has brought you and Lee closer together again, and with Phoebe too. Lee your humor shines through in every post dear.You are such a treasure no matter what % Italian you are lol Chevy steer clear of everclear! It is pure grain alcohol almost 100 proof. I would love for ALL of us to meet up at bar someday and throw one back for Freddie! I adore this forum and feel so lucky to be a part of it |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 01.04.2019 04:05 |
Thor, what a brilliant idea to use lyrics to teach a lesson. Great thought. I started with the personality traits still obvious to someone when you think of the fact he had the world at his feet and kept real. And, that does show in his/there lyrics. Again, kudos. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 04:12 |
Emdee, What a coincidence that at the same time our own JoT. was reporting back on the semi- New York / Freddie Tour that I recommended to her several weeks ago via PM message came in within minutes of your request. I will follow up on that tour a bit later, but I just HAD to share these two videos that JoT. linked me up with. As some of you know, 46 years ago at the tender age of 18, I found work at a club named Marie's Crisis in the West Village. The place is still very popular to this day and as a matter of fact, it looks exactly the same as it did back then. It was always a sing-along piano bar and every once in awhile a Broadway Star or Composer/Lyricist (such as Steven Sondheim) would drop by. Every time I am back in New York I go there and usually always have a major blast! Although this bar has nothing to do with Freddie, I will post these two links to let those who would be interested take a peek. 1) Darren Criss Introduces Lea Salonga at Marie's Crisis NYC ... link 2) Everyday group sing-along link |
Rainbow61 01.04.2019 06:05 |
Welcome Emdee, Congratulations on your amazingly long teaching career. Junior high…bless you! LOL I love the suggestions of teachable moments from Thor and Lee. Related to their ideas…Elton John’s story of receiving a Christmas present from Freddie after Freddie died is very moving and shows the kind of thoughtful man Freddie was. The link is below: link As far as song lyrics, I love the line from "The Miracle”…“If every leaf on every tree could tell a story that would be, a miracle”. The idea of trees/leaves as silent witnesses to history...that line could be a prompt for a great creative writing & art project. So many possibilities, for example: Think of the tree an escaped slave slept beneath while traveling the Underground Railroad. |
Rainbow61 01.04.2019 06:37 |
Thor, Marie's Crisis looks like a really happening place! Loved the clip with Lea Salonga...she is amazing. "Those Are The Days of Our Lives" is such a beautiful song, but at times, the video is almost too painful to watch. I believe Roger Taylor wrote the lyrics...it has to do with his children, but considering what Freddie was dealing with at the time, he was able to infuse his vocals with a poignancy and depth that made it truly unforgettable. |
doughnut 01.04.2019 08:32 |
Hi Lee, good to hear from you. welcome Emdee :) One of my fav songs is 'its a hard life' Brian May talks about the writing of the lyrics so fondly . He said that its one of the most beautiful songs that Freddie ever wrote, it's straight from the heart and he really opened up during the creaton of it. He sat with him for hours and hours. Brain has said that both he and Freddie were going through heartache at the time which makes it even more touching to me. I have taken from Freddies interviews that he really did seem to be searching for love , the lines ' Life is tough on your own' Now I'm waiting for for something to fall from the skies' I'm waiting for love' are so emotional . Lee/thor I recently watched 'freddie's loves' and I honestly don't think it is too bad. I like the ending of you both ' where are you Freddie, we miss you' It makes me emotional. I have seen you guys in the Garden Lodge tape, the one where you mention Freddie had the table brought into the garden. I love that story . It is such a long time ago but I'm curious as to the part where Freddie and Brandon (I think) both put there leg on a wall/table type thing, it's looks like they are comparing something. |
LoganMews 01.04.2019 11:05 |
Thor/Lee, just to let you know that I have finally made that donation via GoFundMe for the book, as much as I am excited about the book I am also excited about the autographs from two of the people closest to Freddie!!! Lee, being Scottish I am very proud to have you as a member of our Freddie Clan. :) I visited New York a few years ago and couldn't help but take a walk out to where Freddie stayed, I could only imagine the fun you all got up to and I can't wait to read about it all in the book. Thor/Lee, I do have a question if you don't mind, during your last visit to Freddie in 1991 did you ever get the impression that people around him were seeing this terrible disease take hold so quickly? I only ask as at his last appearance on TV in 1990 he didn't look too bad but he changed so much when we saw him via videos in 1991. Thank you both for this thread, the book and for sharing so many warm and wonderful stories of our hero. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 01.04.2019 11:31 |
Jo T, Spread Your Wings is one of my top 10 Queen songs (I can’t narrow it down further than that other than to say Under Pressure is my favorite). I work a half mile from my house and live alone (my only child is now away at college), but I listen to Queen streaming on Apple Music whenever I’m in my car. It’s a Hard Life is another one of my top 10 favorites. I’d love to go on a Freddie tour of New York. I’ve visited the city about 5-6 times but never did the bar scene. It sounds like fun! On my first trip to NYC in 1997, I managed to win tickets to see Rent in the front row. The original Mark was still there. It remains to this day my favorite Broadway musical. Have you seen it, Thor and Lee? |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 12:39 |
JO T, have you seen the outtakes from "Spread Your Wings"? Pretty funny and Freddie was clearly feeling no pain. link |
thundergod 01.04.2019 16:24 |
Rainbow, Thank you for your link to the Brian and Roger tape of their immediate reactions to Freddie's death. The boys talked so fondly and respectful of Freddie. Of course there is the one rather obvious inconsistency of how they thought then and what was actually shown years later in the movie "Bohemian Rhapsody". They talk admirably of a certain "un-named" group of three men who cared for Freddie to the end, but the absence of a female figure in this scene was to me, glaringly conspicuous. I don't want to go there, but these were Brian's and Roger's own words or should I say, absence of words. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 16:29 |
Notquite I was about 18 when I drank that nasty stuff I was already tore up on mad dog it was the first time I ever drank anything so I was definitely a light weight for sure I haven't drank everclear since I like a good red beer or a good screwdriver if it's made right.However I'm on so much medicine for my nervous system I cant drink much but I sure enjoy watching everyone else getting shit faced .But you are right th hat everclear is bad stuff no matter how you mix it. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 16:29 |
Doughnut, I agree! It's a Hard Life is a beautiful, emotionally moving, and truthful piece of music. Great pick! |
thundergod 01.04.2019 16:46 |
Hello LoganMews, WELCOME! I had the pleasure of staying twice at your lovely guesthouse at the Logan Mews and perhaps spent a little too much time in your wonderfully oversized jacuzzi. Whenever I seriously think of the color yellow, my mind goes back to the Mews and relaxing in that spa with it's brilliant, yet soothing, ornate yellow and white wallpaper and fixtures. It was a spa definitely fit for a Queen! I may be wrong, but I think yellow was Freddie's favorite color. He is seen in a few photographs (ours and others) wearing a yellow "Dallas" tee-shirt, and then, of course the beloved 1986 yellow and white "Kind of Magic Tour" stage outfit. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 01.04.2019 16:47 |
Katydyd, that link to the lyrics is brilliant. Can’t imagine the total number of teachable moments exist there. It would be a book if it’s own. Thor, that New York Freddie tour sounds like a popular idea. Let’s yiu and I go this weekend and have some fun. LOL |
thundergod 01.04.2019 16:47 |
Hello LoganMews, WELCOME! I had the pleasure of staying twice at your lovely guesthouse at the Logan Mews and perhaps spent a little too much time in your wonderfully oversized jacuzzi. Whenever I seriously think of the color yellow, my mind goes back to the Mews and relaxing in that spa with it's brilliant, yet soothing, ornate yellow and white wallpaper and fixtures. It was a spa definitely fit for a Queen! I may be wrong, but I think yellow was Freddie's favorite color. He is seen in a few photographs (ours and others) wearing a yellow "Dallas" tee-shirt, and then, of course the beloved 1986 yellow and white "Kind of Magic Tour" stage outfit. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 16:48 |
I agree it's a hard life is a great pic it's a very moving song it can mean many things to many different people maybe he had this in mind when he wrote alot of his songs he once said if you see it in his music then it's there he wouldnt explain what his songs meant because they can mean many things to many different people. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 01.04.2019 16:51 |
How funny.i think that Thor and I hit send st the same exact second, and were 120 miles apart right now. Either that or the site has had a little everclear this morning. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 16:55 |
Wow Emerald, the coincidences on this site lately blow me away! I was at my brother's house last week and saw one particular CD that I wanted to borrow until July when I return. Well, what do you know...it was RENT...lol I never got to see the show, but I love a lot of the music and the lyrics. Now I can watch and listen to a full performance. Have you people learned how to enter my mind or what?...LOL |
thundergod 01.04.2019 17:00 |
Katydyd, Freddie being told he was out of sync....wow, hilarious! Thanks for sharing the link. hahaha |
thundergod 01.04.2019 17:04 |
Oh, Hi Kathleen! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.04.2019 17:24 |
Lee! I'm always so happy when you pop in :) Thor, I'm jealous you got to go in the hot tub, but did you try the SAUNA? He seemed so proud of it, but I would be too. Was Phoebe the only one who lived in the Mews? I seem to remember reading Joe lived in the main house and he had his computer there too. I'm planning a Palm Springs trip in June with the husband because I NEED to just sit by a pool and veg with a cocktail or two. Tropical Caliente is so kitsch and ridiculous I can't help but stay there. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 17:28 |
WOW, GUIDED Freddie in New York tours by Thor and Lee. Now that would be an excellent move (after we and a publisher). |
thundergod 01.04.2019 17:29 |
After we LAND a publisher. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 17:33 |
SweetandTender, Perhaps we could all meet up in P.S. and veg out together! |
thundergod 01.04.2019 17:45 |
Lee shared this article with me last night and I would like to share it with you. Interesting indeed! link |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.04.2019 18:09 |
Thor- I would love that! Dinner on me! |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 18:15 |
I REALLY didn't want to get into this again, but I'm going to , and then I'm going into witness protection. That interview where Brian and Roger talk about Freddie's death is so moving. They are clearly in deep mourning for their friend. They do mention the three men who were there in Garden Lodge, caring for Freddie. I think you have to remember though that while some newspapers reported Freddie's death kindly, others were horrible, sometimes blaming him and certainly denigrating his lifestyle. I think Brian and Roger were, as Roger says, sticking up for Freddie since he no longer could and acknowledging those who cared for him. However, I think it is in Phoebe's book, it is known that Mary came to spend time with him every day. You have to remember she had a toddler at home and she was heavily pregnant at the time. I don't know, but my personal opinion is that Freddie wouldn't have wanted her to participate in the physical care. I think he probably took great comfort from her presence and it isn't fair to say she wasn't there. Done, and out. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 18:41 |
U know Mary's name seems to bring out the worst in people the group I belong too doesnt even allow discussion about her in our group because it causes conflict people are attacking people on Instagram I think it's probably fair to say that she wasnt part of the band she didnt write or compose any music for queen and if she hadn't existed at all Freddie still would've been the legend he is today.Lets just talk about the music they made cause they are all legends and deserve that respect and honor. |
FreddieDarling 01.04.2019 19:17 |
Hi Thor and Lee Just wanted to say that as far as I'm concerned I don't want any donations back! Please keep it as long as necessary to fund your book. I hope that a publisher soon wises up and sees this ook for the gem it is. If not I do hope we will still get to see it via a self publishing platform. Keep your chins up! Cheers Kind Regards to you both. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 19:30 |
Yes Lee I had a bad experience with everclear I was 18 never drank before got really messed up and shot a gun through the ceiling of a friends apartment i didt know the safety wasnt on the gun so i will not drink that particular drink anymore plus my meds wont allow it.I was a wild child. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 19:38 |
Thank you FreddieDarling and don't worry, If I have to buy 50 cartridges of ink and print them out one by one at home, I will do so...but as I've said, we are not giving up by a long shot. The April 30th, 2019 deadline was conceived during that awful period when a few trolls were telling anyone who would listen that "the money has already been taken from you" and "this is a scam". I guess they didn't know that GoFundMe itself guarantees that the money will be refunded if the product is not legit. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 19:53 |
Thor that's crazy guess they didnt do their homework it's probably some of the same ults on Instagram with several accounts I have had to block several myself they dont want that book out because it will confirm the truth that's one of the reasons why I pray it gets published.The other reason is to show people he wasnt a sad lonely guy he had a blast and many good times and friends and those friends had names. |
SmokyQuartz 01.04.2019 19:56 |
Hi Thor and Lee I've been away a while with a crazy time workwise, but just saw your email so jumping in quickly to say I'm behind you all the way on this project. All in good time. I cannot wait for this book, I believe in it 100% and the process required. When work slows down soon I'll come back and catch up :-) |
NeverTooLate 01.04.2019 20:17 |
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thundergod 01.04.2019 20:23 |
Oops, sorry Perhaps the video I was referring to came up automatically after the Elton John Christmas gift. Here it is and I will try it again to find the actual link to it. link |
thundergod 01.04.2019 20:25 |
No, that did not work a second time |
thundergod 01.04.2019 20:27 |
This is it...sorry it is so long link |
thundergod 01.04.2019 20:35 |
Now that I realize many have not been able to see the video I was talking about, I would like to repeat my previous thoughts about it. Thank you for your link to the Brian and Roger tape of their immediate reactions to Freddie's death. The boys talked so fondly and respectful of Freddie. Of course there is the one rather obvious inconsistency of how they thought then and what was actually shown years later in the movie "Bohemian Rhapsody". They talk admirably of a certain "un-named" group of three men who cared for Freddie to the end, but the absence of a female figure in this scene was to me, glaringly conspicuous. I don't want to go there, but these were Brian's and Roger's own words or should I say, absence of words. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 20:38 |
Humm, that message got cut off in spots. last try... Thank you for your link to the Brian and Roger tape of their immediate reactions to Freddie's death. The boys talked so fondly and respectful of Freddie. Of course there is the one rather obvious inconsistency of how they thought then and what was actually shown years later in the movie "Bohemian Rhapsody". They talk admirably of a certain "un-named" group of three men who cared for Freddie to the end, but the absence of a female figure in this scene was to me, glaringly conspicuous. I don't want to go there, but these were Brian's and Roger's own words or should I say, absence of words. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 20:53 |
Guess QZ just went dark for the last 10-15 minutes |
thundergod 01.04.2019 21:15 |
Part 2 which prompted my response earlier link |
NeverTooLate 01.04.2019 21:49 |
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NeverTooLate 01.04.2019 22:01 |
One of the rumors they were keen to dispel was the notion that Freddie did not have a companion in his life. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 22:06 |
I have seen the interview and they say nothing but nice things about the gentlemen that cared for him but I cant recall a mention of any female care givers they mentioned right off hand I may be wrong. |
CHEVYMAN 01.04.2019 22:12 |
Yes nevertolate I remember phoebe saying he sat with him all night just so he would know someone was there and Jim and Joe were good hands as well trading shifts he had round the clock care not by strangers but by family that means alot and says alot about Freddie as a person they cared for him alot i dont think a person needs a book or facts to see all these friends and family haven't forgot their dear friend after all this time. |
FreddieDarling 01.04.2019 22:28 |
Hi folks Life's been hectic and I've been behind on keeping up reading the thread. I've now rectified this ! Just wanted to clarify something. One poster reported about a Jim Hating Troll who may try and poke their beaks into out our nice thread. What worried me was that their username was reported to be FreddieDearie. When I read it, I though oh cripes, that's too similar to MY username for comfort. :-( Just want to say that this troll is not me! I have utmost respect for Jim Hutton and everyone around Freddie who was good and kind to him. Thor: Thank you I am very relieved that your and Lee's book WILL go ahead! Bye for now, folks. |
Katydyd5 01.04.2019 23:15 |
NeverTooLate wrote: One of the rumors they were keen to dispel was the notion that Freddie did not have a companion in his life and they pointedly mentioned that Freddie did have someone special, a very stable and loving relationship. That was when they mentioned a group of 3 who were with Freddie constantly in the months and weeks as his disease progressed. There were more than 3, but Phoebe, Joe, and Jim were the ones who did the lion's share of the work and were each taking shifts so Freddie would never be alone in the last week or so.Thanks NeverTooLate. The three men did do the lion's share of the caretaking, but they were not the only ones there. |
NeverTooLate 01.04.2019 23:21 |
Freddie seemed to be more comfortable with men in general and as part of his inner circle in the house and working for him. Aside from Mary, Barbara Valentin in Munich, and a couple women he worked with on costumes, he didn't appear to have many close female friendships. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 23:38 |
They talk admirably of a certain "un-named" group of three men who cared for Freddie to the end, but the absence of ONE PARTICULAR female in this scene was to me, glaringly conspicuous. I don't want to go there, but these were Brian's and Roger's own words or should I say, absence of words.. |
thundergod 01.04.2019 23:39 |
I hope this revision clears up the confusion regarding what I meant with this. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 01.04.2019 23:40 |
NeverTooLate, I’ve thought the exact same thing. I would’ve immensely loved hanging out and laughing with Freddie, but he mostly seemed to prefer male company. My daughter, on the other hand, has more gay male friends than straight male friends or even female friends. I’m thankful that her generation is so much more accepting of everyone, no matter their sexual preference, race, ethnicity, religion, etc. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 00:08 |
Freddie darling we know that hateful person could never be you but I get what your say it is similar to your name. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 00:31 |
Emerald I guess I always new I was a little different I like to be in the company of men I dont get along with women at all except for physical purpose and that's it I much more in common with men and I also like men from and emotional physical aspect as well and I also am attracted to a gay Male so see I'm one of a kind I never really had a sexual preference and I dont believe in labeling people I think you should be free to love who you want I'm married to a man but all through high school I dated many boys and girls but then married my husband he accepts me as I am .I'm one in a million. |
Rainbow61 02.04.2019 00:36 |
Freddie was blessed with a core group of 4 people who were unwavering in their dedication to him during his toughest days…the truest of friends. Whether they tended to Freddie in a nursing capacity or were just there as a constant reassuring presence so that he knew he was not alone, their steadfast devotion reflected the love they each had for him. I take comfort in knowing that Phoebe, Joe, Jim, and Mary, each in their own way, showed Freddie that he was not in this by himself. There were others, Elton, Dave Clark, Brian and Roger etc. who also loved and supported Freddie. In addition, I'm sure Thor and Lee's visit that last summer brought much joy and laughter into Garden Lodge...and we all know how much Freddie loved to laugh. I prefer to see all these people through Freddie’s eyes. If asked to describe them, he probably would have simply said, “Those are my friends”…and that meant everything to him. I don’t think he ranked their importance based on how often he saw them, but how they made him feel. So to all of those who played an important role during Freddie's declining months and days, thank you for being there! |
Katydyd5 02.04.2019 00:51 |
Thank you for that post Rainbow. That is exactly how I feel. I'm going to get personal for just a second. Several years ago I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Immediately a core group formed around me and supported me through the treatment. Some drove me for chemo or other appointments, some came and talked, some sent weekly cards, and my beloved neighbor went grocery shopping twice a week for me. For a long time I lived on a diet of bananas, rice, applesauce and toast, and the medical people here will know why. Well, he learned quickly that I only eat bananas that are just this side of green, and he never let me down. I wrote a weekly blog for these people and I called them my Angel Team. I wouldn't want to go through that again, but I there were several blessings in the experience. Most important for me was knowing I was not alone and I was loved. I think Freddie had his Angel Team. They made sure he wasn't alone, they respected the medical choices he made, and they loved him. None of us can ask for more. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 01:21 |
Well this has been a busy thread so much discussion the most I have seen since I have been here that's a good thing.I would like to change subject for a minute and congradulate phoebe on all his hard work he is doing on the TFA Project you are awesome peter keep up the hard work you are making a difference. |
thundergod 02.04.2019 01:22 |
I just hope this group of four remained appreciative of each other and each other's roles at this terrible time. |
thundergod 02.04.2019 01:25 |
God Bless Peter Freestone! |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 01:27 |
This is the most activity I have seen on this thread that's a good thing.I would like to change the subject for a minute and congradulate phoebe on the TFA Project and say job well done keep up the hard work.You are making a difference. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 01:38 |
Thor you know how it is when someone is sick in a family there is always one that shows their ass I hope noone did and if they did I'm sure he was already gone the ones who cared for him have their memories and no regrets because they did everything they possibly could it was out of their hands.I read one of the poor guys was pretty sick himself but he was still taking care of his friend so heart wrenching. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 02:13 |
Inevertoolate that reply was for you not emerald I'm sorry so many people talking on here I got mixed up. |
Katydyd5 02.04.2019 02:21 |
Hey, have any of you ever seen the musical We Will Rock You? I just saw that they are taking it on a North American tour, and it will hit my city in November. I'd love to see it, but wow, the tickets are more than they would be for a show in the Broadway series. I was hoping it would come as part of the series, but it's a stand alone show, and it's actually in a smaller, older theater. Tempting, but I probably can't convince anyone to go. |
Rainbow61 02.04.2019 02:39 |
Katydyd5, Congratulations on being a cancer survivor and thank you for sharing your story! I did not realize that WWRY was touring North America. I can't seem to find the US tour dates except for one in California and one in NY. |
Katydyd5 02.04.2019 03:21 |
Rainbow, I debated sharing that story and only did so because I was trying to show that serious illness often leads a person to close ranks and draw in the people who are truly important to them. But thanks for the congrats. It's in my rearview mirror now for sure. I saw a post on FB today where Brian was talking about WWRY, and Cincinnati was mentioned. If you Google WWRY North American Tour you can see the dates. It's a pretty extensive tour. |
doughnut 02.04.2019 07:24 |
Katydyd5 congratulations from me too. This is my reply in response to Thor's observations and please don't judge me a\s I mean no offence. Thor I don't know if you have seen it but in the days following Freddies death, one particular journo wrote a vile piece for the sun/mirror newspaper about Freddie. I won't go into details but you can find it on the internet. It was awful. Anyway I feel it was in response to this that Brian and Roger went on UK Breakfast TV. You will notice at the end that the woman interviewing them said that Freddie didn't find the love he was looking for and he died alone. It was that perception that I belive was one of the reasons Jim wrote his book. I was pleased to see Brain say that he had been cared for by three men and that he was in a loving and stable relationship. Did you know that the day after Freddie passed, MA AND Dave Clark gave story to the trashy newspaper about how they had cared for him and how awful it had been for Freddie but neither of them mentioned the three men. I belive this was a PR stunt organised by JB of thee Queen machine. I belive the same person arranged for press photographers to take photos at the funeral. Freddies friend Dave Evans confirms as much in his book as he conveyed his thoughts on the matter. He said he had not been asked questions about a funeral before whilst in tears . speaks volumes. In Jim Hutton's book he says he took him a while to realise he had been pushed out , the same happened to Joe and Phoebe. I think a lot went on at the time to try and preserve some kind of wholesome image of Freddie and to keep his sexuality a secret . I feel Jim's book blew this out of the water as have several books since. Why it was decided to feature someone so heavily in the film we will never know. it's clear Freddie adored this person and had a lot of trust BUT there are a lot of fans that are upset by certain behaviours . I hope you understand this? This person wouldn't have been so lucky to be in the current position without the fans who adored queen and freddie and helped them on their road to stardom. I feel Freddie really appreciated his fans and he knew the fans had been a big part of what he had been able to acheive. The film has split fans and now there are two camps; one for Jim and one for MA. Luckily there is a lot of love for Jim Hutton . Some fans of MA appear to want to erase Jim and some have said they think he just wanted man for sex but all other aspects, love/emotions etc he needed Mary. anyway sorry for the long post. Must go to work now lol |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 11:41 |
He found both emotional and the whole package a person needs to be happy that is why Ma was so bitter towards him such a pity a sincere friend would be happy for their best friend.And as far as people picking sides most people cant stand MA most are for Jim Hutton that's why there are so many personal attacks on instagram.I belong to one of the bigger queen groups and they are anti Mary Austin no posts or pictures are allowed.Yo know the other guys were married to their wives and noone holds them up on a pedal stool or even mentions them and they were married for years with children and all.Why should we put so much attention on one relationship in someones youth yes they remained friends but so have many other people throughout history like I said if she hadn't existed at all he would become the legend he is today it has nothing to do with her. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 11:48 |
He found both emotional and the whole package a person needs to be happy that is why Ma was so bitter towards him such a pity a sincere friend would be happy for their best friend.And as far as people picking sides most people cant stand MA most are for Jim Hutton that's why there are so many personal attacks on instagram.I belong to one of the bigger queen groups and they are anti Mary Austin no posts or pictures are allowed.Yo know the other guys were married to their wives and noone holds them up on a pedal stool or even mentions them and they were married for years with children and all.Why should we put so much attention on one relationship in someones youth yes they remained friends but so have many other people throughout history like I said if she hadn't existed at all he would become the legend he is today it has nothing to do with her. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 11:58 |
I just think this is alot of paper we are wasting and could think of better things to talk about.By the way I dont know who wrote about Mary being heavily pregnant but that's not an excuse women been having babies for centuries she probably could've managed to do more I suppose .As far as having a toddler she worked for Freddie I'm sure she had a sitter Freddie was always very kind to her and adored her as his friend. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 13:28 |
Doughnut yes I seen that with MA and Dave Clark amazing how Roger couldnt hold it together but the woman that was supposed to love him so could stand there and give a interview right after death amazing isn't it.But she criticized Jim for writing a book .All she did all those years I'm afraid is wait for the payday and I'm not talking about the payday candy bar. |
NeverTooLate 02.04.2019 14:03 |
I read somewhere that MA had a nanny. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 15:21 |
Nevertolate that's what I'm talking about that's what irritates me she had a nanny for her child that watched him when she went there so most of that miss Mary wonderful is coming from bri and Jim beach.She wants nothing to do with the fans but when it came down to approving a movie script that her name and character were all over it she took the glory by the horns.I dont begrudge giving anyone credit when it's due but in this case it feels so wrong and that's my personal opinion.I read one of the poor guys was very sick with the virus himself he had to look it in the face everyday knowing his own fate but they didnt mention or give that poor guy credit how must he have felt in that moment when Freddie's soul left his body we will never know.Compassion and moral is the missing piece to this equation. |
NeverTooLate 02.04.2019 15:38 |
I don't think MA was involved in any part of the movie-making process or script writing or approval. Her approval wasn't required. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 15:59 |
That's why I always say in my opinion in my post when I state something not based on facts I rely on nothing from a tabloid newspaper they can say anything.And anything out there on social media is everybody buisness unfortunately things were so much more simple without it.But our generation now depends on it. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 02.04.2019 17:30 |
Hey Thor- Did you ever hear Freddie refer to Jim/Phoebe/Joe as "the Family"? |
doughnut 02.04.2019 17:42 |
Sorry I forgot to say that it was me that mentioned the nasty person but I know it isn't you FreddieDarling :) My daughter who is nearly 16 has a gay male best friend and it warms my heart that he has been able to come out so young and suffer no problems. She facetimes him every day and they get on so well which really makes me happy as she struggles with friends. Cheyman it was Joe that found out he had aids , Jim said in his book that Freddie bought Joe a house as Joe was going through a hard time and was worried about what would happen to him after Freddie passed. I have a fondness for Joe, he seemed like a very nice guy and I haven't heard or read a bad word about him. It must have been very hard caring for Freddie knowing he would most likely suffer the same fate. The same for Jim although at that point he had HIV not full aids Out of all this I just wish that Peter, Joe and Jim had been appreciated more afterwards because I feel they were brushed under the carpet. Luckily it appears it's water under the bridge now for Peter which is good. He has a good heart and just wants people far and wide to get to know the real Freddie. Without him, Jim , David Evans, David Minns , Thor and Lee this may not have happened if the queen machine had their way. Brian said in an interview that they finally agreed to make the film because if they didn't , someone else would . Cheyman I also don't think that MA had any input into the film. The accress who played her had to rely on input from Brian May, this is what I read in an interview about her role. I still belive they made their replationship almost fairytale and this has had a massive impact on new fans and how they perceive her . Today in a fan group a lady said that Mary has probably kept the ashes so that they are buried with her when she dies. This is the lady that claims Freddie only wanted men for sex and mary for the emotional side. I don't wish to insult anyone but surely if you are a 100% gay man then you want the whole package from another man rather than part from a man and part from a woman. I may be wrong so I apologise if I am. |
doughnut 02.04.2019 17:52 |
Katy I would love to see 'we will rock you' but South America is way way to far for me lol . I'm hoping they bring it back to the UK . |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 18:04 |
Doughnut I'm unsure about that last part because growing up I had a relationship with a girl and was with her on and off for 5 years in between I had guys too.i connected with women for sex I wanted it all the time and with a guy I wanted emotionally and sexual support I ended up marrying our best friend she thought I was bisexual but even to this day I dont know what I am I just like it all.The ashes is a tough one his mother should've known before she passed that was her son and I dont care what he told her to do she should've given her some that was her first born child she out lived her child that's tough.Mary might have mental instability about her past relationship with Freddie she has never let go.As for Joe he was such a cute dude devoted to his friend I'm just sorry he lost his life so young as well. |
CHEVYMAN 02.04.2019 18:25 |
Doughnut your correct Freddie screamed gay supposedly he wouldnt even have sex with her any longer he was a young guy touring on the rode I need not say any more on that one its natural.If a woman or man is 100 percent gay yes they want the whole package that's why he kept the company of men after coming clean to Mary about his affair with David minns .On the other hand she loved him 100 percent even after that discussion.He did need her for a beard I'm sorry but in those times he just did I would've done the same.Its hard subject for me because I just dont believe in putting labels on people.But I will say this let's pretend for a moment and say he hadn't been gay he still I dont believe would've made a good family man.He was a firecracker a highly sexual person she may have lost him to other women but thats just for pretend his own sister said he wouldnt make a good father. |
Villiers2 02.04.2019 18:30 |
Emailed you Thor. I kept getting blank queenzone messages so went a different route. Hope it didn't end up in your spam folder. |
thundergod 02.04.2019 21:45 |
Damn...I just went through a long "family" discussion, but before I could save it, QZ consumed it...damn! |
thundergod 02.04.2019 21:46 |
Check your own e-mail Villiers and see, you can access the QZ site!!! |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 02.04.2019 22:12 |
Thor- Villers is the real deal. She's a really amazing person. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 02.04.2019 22:20 |
I never realized until recently how much bitterness a lot of fans have toward Mary. I don’t think I’ll weigh in with my opinion. ;) Thank you to whoever (can’t remember who brought it up now) mentioned the We will Rock You North American tour. I looked it up and, unfortunately, the closest it’s playing to me is Birmingham, Alabama. It’s not worth it to me to actually go to Alabama (I apologize to those who are from Alabama). But, then again Alabama is not about to pass the most restrictive abortion law in the country. After it passes, I doubt many performers will choose to come here. Queen + Adam Lambert is playing here in August but tickets for that sold out pretty quickly. I guess I will have to stick with my iPad and watch videos. Thor and Lee, do you ever catch any of the singing competitions on TV? |
EmeraldBarSweeper 02.04.2019 22:27 |
Ah, it was Katy who mentioned We Will Rock You tour. Thanks, Katy! |
thundergod 02.04.2019 23:13 |
OK...This is not like me but here it is- I can only judge Mary on what I witnessed and what information I have received since 1991. She had absolutely no interest in knowing or liking me and because of this, I have no reason to like her. She was tepid in her response to me from 1986 to 1991. She was very cold after Freddie's passing. I have never claimed to know her well, but I DID observe her. If I am wrong about this, Freddie, please strike me dead! ENOUGH! |
thundergod 02.04.2019 23:14 |
I will not accept PMs about this topic. |
Katydyd5 02.04.2019 23:30 |
Emerald, I first saw the WWRY tour dates posted on FB. I'd really like to see it, but when I explored the ticket prices, they were beyond what I can afford. Plus they are doing it in an older, less comfortable theater. I had tickets to the Broadway series in that theater, and was grateful when the city built a new, state-of-the-art theater and moved the Series there. I do have tickets for Queen + AL, but even though I got them on the first day they were available, we are way up high. Good thing they have the big screens. |
emdee0809 02.04.2019 23:37 |
Katydyd5, doughnut,rainbow61 -thanks so much for the warm welcome!! Your suggestions were greatly appreciated. It will take me a while to get through all of them. I began taking notes from all the posts so I could explore all. I find myself looking forward every day to the forum. I don't want to miss anything. Katydyd5 - thanks for sharing a part of your personal life Everyone has a story. Glad yours had a happy ending!! A little off topic, but I wanted to share a story that happened today in one of my classes. I had a guest speaker in my class today, a librarian, that was discussing banned books. He brought a book titled "And Tango Makes Three". It is a true story of two penguins from the zoo in Central Park who create a nontraditional family. (Two penguins daddies!!) Before he began, he announced to my 8th graders he was gay and had a husband. Not what I expected, but proud of the response. Students clapped and begged him to read them the book. Although not really related to Freddie, somehow, I thought of him. Thor and Lee, I have been trying to catch up with the thread and I know this has been addressed many times, but just wondering if you or someone can tell me about the gofundme account and how the book is coming along. I am pulling for this to become a reality. Also, again thank you for participating in this thread. It's simply amazing!! |
thundergod 02.04.2019 23:38 |
I would love to go to the WWRY concert...why do you think the tickets are so expensive...is it better than Cirque du Soliele's "Love" about the Beatles in Las Vegas. I think I paid only $100.00 for front row seats two years ago. |
thundergod 02.04.2019 23:44 |
Emerald, I will PM you in about an hour! |
thundergod 02.04.2019 23:56 |
Make that in 2 hours Emdee. I have a scheduled chat with Lee at 5pm PST. |
Katydyd5 03.04.2019 00:09 |
Oh my gosh, I would love to see Cirque. The ticket prices I saw for WWRY were well over $200 and in some cases, over $300 per seat . However, after further research I realized I might have been looking at more of a scalper site. They seemed to have blocks of tickets in the most popular areas, but every seat in the theater was not available. I don't think tickets are even on sale yet. Thor, there are several performances in CA so you might get a chance to go, and I'm sure the prices would be reasonable. I'd like to see what the cost is when they actually go on sale, though I doubt I can convince any of my friends to go with me. I think Q+AL might have been their limit on feeding my addiction. I live in Cincinnati, which is a fairly large mid-western city, but nothing close to the major cities in the US. However, ticket prices for major shows here are crazy. We saw Hamilton last month as part of our B'way series, and the seats were $170 each. It was worth it, and they sold all of the tickets for the three week run, but I think prices like that shut out many people. Lion King is coming to Cinci next year, and while I"ve seen it, I'd like to take my grandkids. Tickets are $165 per seat. YIKES!! I read an article, and I should have paid better attention, but I think it said that ticket prices in Cinci are what the market will bear. Maybe so, but again, so many people will be shut out. |
The Black Queen's Kid 03.04.2019 00:19 |
Villiers I just listened to the YouTube posting on what made Jim Hutton special. I must say that you have an amazing knowledge base. Thank you so much for sharing. With regards to the back story of "Love of My Life" ... It makes much more sense that it would have been written for David or written from Mary's point of view. The lyrics from a Freddie to Mary scenario don't make much sense, as she never hurt him emotionally (pure speculation on my part). He may have realized how sad she would be to know he would never belong to her. Or it could be for nobody as he stated. Maybe in the next life we can pin him down on it. :0) |
NeverTooLate 03.04.2019 00:39 |
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Lee Kathleen Nolan 03.04.2019 01:13 |
So Hi Everyone. Have I missed anything? That’s a joke, though I may not always write something I have been checking in frequently. I’m with Thor. As an ex actor wanna be, I like to hear that entertainers are being compensated, but how high can ticket prices go before no one can afford to GO to the theatre? Or Concert? Or Theme Park, or...lunch. |
NeverTooLate 03.04.2019 01:25 |
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Jo T. 03.04.2019 02:48 |
Wow! I wasn’t on QZ last night due to work. April Fool’s Day was certainly a busy day on the thread! LOL @emdee0809, my friends and I had an awesome time on Thor’s “Freddie Tour” and the West Village last month. Your mention of “banned books” brought back memories of my youth. I deliberately went out of my way to read banned books, to see why they were banned in the 1st place! My 1st banned book was “Catcher in the Rye.” @NeverTooLate, thanks for the trivia that accompanied the video for “Spread Your Wings.” I watched it again and paid close attention to Freddie’s borrowed gloves. I saw “Ratty!” @katydyd5, thanks for the link to the outtakes for “Spread Your Wings.” If I hear “late on that” one more time . . . Both you and Freddie were blessed to have an Angel Team during your times of illness. “We Will Rock You” shall come to my neck of the woods in late Nov. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 02:54 |
Hi Lee nice to hear from you again have you been working hard lately.How you guys coming along on the book? |
Jo T. 03.04.2019 03:30 |
thundergod wrote: WOW, GUIDED Freddie in New York tours by Thor and Lee. Now that would be an excellent move (after we and a publisher). |
Jo T. 03.04.2019 03:38 |
Thor, add a West Village pub crawl to your Freddie Tour! Besides Ty's, take folks to Marie's Crisis, Stonewall Inn, etc. Thor is the Visiting Norse Viking of the West Village. I would take his recommendations on restaurants, menus, bars and entertainment ANY time, even if it's not Freddie-related or NYC-related. I'm sorry it took so long to give a shout-out on the thread. I've been back home practically a month. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 07:58 |
Jo T. Thank you for the knowledge that you had a great "Freddy in New York" tour...LOL. Only a small amount of places remain from that time period. Next time I will send you to the historic building that was once the Anvil on W. 14th St.,, where I originally met Freddie. It has been converted into a high-end restaurant now as the old "Meat Packing District" is now trendy. Long gone are the open air cow and pig meat hooks on the outside of the buildings. LOL, there is a picture of the renovated building in the book. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 08:18 |
And, By the way, TheSquirellyOne is completely as awesome.as Villiers. She doesn't come here much anymore, but we have a mutual respect, developed in the early days of my first blog. I am trying to encourage her to weigh-in here every so often. We will see.. |
Freddienotfreddy 03.04.2019 10:08 |
We Will Rock You is coming to my area. The tickets go on sale this Friday and I will definitely be going. I've been fortunate to be able to see a lot of Queen related content. Just a couple of weeks ago I saw a Queen tribute band called Gary Mullen and The Works. It was a great show and good time. In May I'm going to a show called Rocktopia which is described as "A rule-busting multimedia extravaganza, ROCKTOPIA fuses the most iconic 20th-Century rock with the most world-renowned classical compositions. Five world-class vocalists—backed by a full symphony orchestra, an electrifying rock band and a powerhouse choir—take the very concept of music itself to electrifying new heights. The anthems of Queen and Journey meet the odes of Beethoven. The power of Zeppelin merges with the poetry of Puccini. The greatness of The Who blends with the grandeur of Strauss. I also already have my tickets to see Queen +Adam Lambert in July. I'm too young to have ever had a chance to see Freddie live, but I love to take any opportunity I can to celebrate and appreciate him and the music he left us. |
Freddienotfreddy 03.04.2019 10:25 |
I thought about the topic of Freddie not having women friends, I wonder if part of the reason was access. While I am sure he did prefer male companionship, I don't know if women were excluded on purpose or more so, they just weren't many around in the social and business spaces he existed in. I remember Thor mentioning that at the time they were club hopping with Freddie in New York, women did not hang out in gay clubs like they do now. Phoebe mentions in his second book that way Freddie and Barbara Valentin met and became fiends because she was the only woman allowed in gay clubs in Munich. Even with the music business in 1970s and 1980s, most of the people he would work with would be men. It does not seem as though there were a lot of women around for him to have had the opportunity to form close friendships with even if he'd wanted to do so. It does seem that he was close with his costume designer Diana Mosley. It was mentioned in a few books that in the last year of his life, Freddie pushed out a few people, and Diana seems to be one that was still spending time with him towards the end. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 03.04.2019 14:26 |
Good morning, Y’all! I hope everyone is having a lovely day. It’s beautiful where I am (I wish my neighborhood pool didn’t wait to open until the last week of May when school is out). Is anyone planning any fun trips this summer? The NY Freddie tour sounds like it’d be awesome! I’m not much of a traveler (I live on a teacher’s salary after all); but I did visit LA for the first time last summer. It’s my favorite place to visit so far. I love the weather, the friendliness; and the quirkiness of the people there. There was always something interesting to see. The year before, I visited London (my first time in Europe). I stayed in Kensington. It has been the most beautiful city I’ve visited. Thor and Lee, I wish I knew some publishers. I just had my first donors choose project funded for some classroom books. I wish they had a similar sight where people could pitch their book ideas online and publishers would decide then and there which ideas they’d publish. With the new popularity of the BoRhap movie, I’m surprised there aren’t publishers lining up to publish your book. I’ve read some pretty crappy books about Freddie that have been published, but you guys actually knew Freddie and were good friends. My favorite books are the ones written by Phoebe, Jim, and Ratty because they haven’t relied on heresay in their books. I love each of their different perspectives about Freddie. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 16:47 |
Freddie not freddy I like that name you got. I think he liked women okay I did a little research and he went to a all boys school from an early age so he must have formed deep bonds with males from an early age I think he was only 8 or so away from family so that was the only connection he had from an early age.So naturally maybe growing up around all boys at school he was terribly shy he might have preferred Male company my opinion. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 03.04.2019 17:00 |
Thor- The meatpacking district is now incredibly expensive, like most of NYC! Also, if you need a lawyer to look over any contracts from publishers my husband would be happy to free of charge. He isn't licensed in California yet(has to take the Bar), but he is in Massachusetts and deals with contracts for a living in LA. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 17:11 |
HaHa CHEVYMAN, I admit that I am old-fashioned, but is punctuation considered obsolete these days? Wow, in my day, our school teachers would have shot us down for having too many "run-on sentences" No offense meant, just curious. I've also heard that they no longer teach "cursive" handwriting in school. How do people simply sign their names then? I don't think block printing works for a Will or even just a credit card signature. Oh well, I guess I am out of touch...LOL |
doughnut 03.04.2019 17:15 |
I feel left out being in the UK ?????? The weather here is cold , I'm desperate for some sun. I,m looking forward to my summer holiday to majorca in August. Lee/Thor what was the party like at garden lodge following the Wembley gig ? Id love to have been a fly on the wall . |
thundergod 03.04.2019 17:25 |
Very exciting Doughnut, I have never been to Mallorca but I've been to Ibiza and if Mallorca is anything like that, you are in for some great fun AND great sun! You must tell us all about it when you return. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 17:25 |
Thor no offense taken believe it or not I was a straight a student go figure I graduated in 92 a little lazy I guess and no they dont teach that type of handwriting no need these days.Im glad to hear from you I was beginning to think you didnt want to talk to me friend nice to hear from you .And by the way my name is Kendra Chevy is my stage name. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 17:30 |
Oh Sorry Kendra, I did not mean to ignore you at all. Perhaps I got a little caught up in all the messages lately plus my little emotional outburst yesterday, which hopefully will never be repeated. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 17:35 |
Doughnut buddy I would like to be a fly on the wall at alot of those activities. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 17:36 |
Doughnut, In 1986 after the first (of two) Wembley "Kind of Magic" concerts, I believe we all just went back to Garden Lodge for a more moderate celebration. I will punt this question over to Mr. Memory, Lee Nolan. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 17:40 |
Speaking of Barbara Valentin I dont get that whole dea but I will say I seen a pick of her and she needed to put her boobies away goodness you could get lost.Her dress was beautiful but all you could see is those milkers. |
Katydyd5 03.04.2019 19:23 |
Cursive handwriting, to teach or not to teach...……...it's an ongoing debate in education. We were still teaching it in my district as of three years ago. The kids loved learning it. I think it is important for people to be able to read and write cursive. Actually Ohio passed a bill last summer requiring schools to develop a curriculum for teaching cursive. While schools are not required to actually use the curriculum, many if not most, do. |
Katydyd5 03.04.2019 19:31 |
Emerald, I think a NYC tour conducted by Lee and Thor would be fantastic! I used to live in a suburb of the City in NJ, but I haven't been back in many years. Summer plans? Hmmm...…….nothing firm yet. My brother is bugging me to get myself to NJ for a visit. I might do that. He's in a suburb outside of Philly so plenty to do if I go. I envy you your trip to London. That's a dream for me. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 19:53 |
Oklahoma no longer teaches cursive writing my aunt is a teacher and has taught for years.Eventhough she now teaches accounting and some college prep courses she said they no longer do it in Oklahoma. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 19:59 |
But Still, How do they teach you to sign your name without cursive??? |
thundergod 03.04.2019 20:12 |
Wow, Lee just shared this with me. WWRY concert in Indio California (near Palm Springs) this October.$357.00 for a floor level spot in the back, left side of the theater. Guess I will not be going. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 20:30 |
Thor I dont know I will have to ask I been out of school too long since 92 I learned cursive in the 81 so that's how long its been. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 20:37 |
Thats a insane price who could afford that. |
doughnut 03.04.2019 20:42 |
Thor I will definitely let you know how !y bol goes . I have heard Ibiza is beautiful. Cursive writing was brought back into UK schools 3 years ago. My daughter had to learn it after being in school 3 years already. Her writing is,much better although I was sceptical. Chevyman we need a time travel machine ! Thor I'm sure a modest celebration Freddie style isn't likely my idea of modest . Peter has shared photos of Freddie fridge full of champagne. |
doughnut 03.04.2019 20:43 |
Holidays not ly bol ha ha |
thundergod 03.04.2019 20:55 |
OK now, There are a lot of teachers/ former teachers on this thread. Please share your views on the need for cursive vs. no cursive. And please let me know how a kid learns to write his/her signature without it. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 20:56 |
Oh, and this is related because Freddie wrote in cursive...LOL |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 20:57 |
I'm up for a party but since my sickness hit I'm in a wheelchair I cant get too drunk or I will be on the floor.Damn these autoimmune diseases. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 21:00 |
So sorry to hear that CHEVY And, by the way, CORVETTE, my favorite Chevy besides you! |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 21:01 |
My oldest learned cursive at school but my younger two I taught them. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 21:06 |
Thor how sweet I got a syndrome called gbs it caused severe nerve damage it was caused by a flu shot. |
thundergod 03.04.2019 21:12 |
Oh SHOOT, That messes with my pro-vaccination agenda...damn! Again, I am so sorry this happened to you. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 21:18 |
Thor it may not happen to you its 5 in 100 thousand people get it. |
CHEVYMAN 03.04.2019 21:35 |
By the way in case anyone wants to know sometime in may Pryor Oklahoma is having their Rocklahoma fest I think Ozzy Ozzbourne is gonna be there. |
Katydyd5 03.04.2019 22:17 |
Chevy, I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you following your flu shot. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 03.04.2019 22:32 |
CHEVYMAN sorry to hear you’re going through that. AND how it happened. I wanna know the answer to Thor’s cursive question as well. The weekend of The Wembley Stadium Concerts! So fun. Freddy rented a limo bus with a lounge in the back so that everyone could travel there together. I’m sure that story has been told before. I have a few photos from the bus, but I remember having so much fun that I didn’t take many. Silly me. After the first night there was a “simple” soirée at the Garden Lodge. ( Well that sentence is a oximoron. Could there be such a thing?) LOL. After the second concert we all headed to the Roof Gardens Club in Kensington. That was the affair the with the naked people painted green performing a tableau vivant of sorts, and their sista friend operating the elevator, also naked and green. A better than good time was had by all. Freddie arrived with Mary in his arm, and they both looked amazing. I gave the camera a rest that night. The party continued back at the house, and it was great! The next day, Freddie was in a fabulous mood, as you can imagine, having the concerts behind him. I’m not sure if it was that day or the next that the Garden Party extrodanaire took place. As mentioned the full formal dining room set was carried out, and there blankets on the ground for lounging and sunning or whatever one does between cloud drifts in London. Freddie was the consummate host. |
Rainbow61 03.04.2019 22:36 |
Freddienotfreddy, Glad to hear you are going to see Rocktopia. My husband and I saw them 2 years ago on their first tour...it is now one of my all-time FAVORITE concerts! The show is amazing. How can you go wrong with the greatest rock songs of the 70's and 80's seamlessly blended with classical music? Outstanding musicians include Chloe Lowery (who has sung with Trans-Siberian Orchestra), Mairead Nesbitt (violinist from Celtic Women), and...here is the Queen connection...Tony Vincent who was in the first London production of "We Will Rock You". I am hoping they come somewhere near us again because I will definitely be there. Their final number, "Don't Stop Believing" had everyone on their feet singing and clapping. It was joyous! Much to my surprise, there was an autograph signing session after the show (that is one of the great things about smaller venues). I bought a very inexpensive poster ($10) and had everyone sign it. I also mustered up the courage to ask Chloe and Mairead, who continued to chat with fans in the lobby after the autograph session, If my husband and I could have our picture taken with them. They were so gracious and lovely. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.04.2019 23:07 |
Woah I saw Villiers do a random live and say she is going to be chatting with you guys on a live and there was about 60 people in there absolutely freaking out for it. When will this be? She got so many comments I dont think she saw mine. Also I hear a certain guitarist has heard one of her lives and liked it. Huge news for her! Well done Villiers and guys I can't wait to see it. What will be discussed? The book? Your personal lives or 100% Freddie? |
FreddieDarling 03.04.2019 23:31 |
Y'know, I believe I write in semi-cursive if there is such a thing! Some of my letters are stand alone, some joined up! ? Don't know what that says about me? Schizophrenic? |
The Black Queen's Kid 03.04.2019 23:48 |
FreddieDarling, that's how I write as well. I' m a million years old (well, almost 60) and had to learn to write cursive as a child. I remember getting a "C" in penmanship and a comment along the lines of "with handwriting like that you'll end up working in a gas station". OK, fast forward to today and I'm an analytical chemist. My handwriting is still awful, but I mix and match my printed letters with cursive letters. It's a nice hybrid. Heaven help anyone who has to make out my scrawled notes before they get types into a spreadsheet or word document. |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 00:06 |
Dustin, sorry I missed your comment during the live yesterday. A date has not been set yet and I'm still in talks with Thor and Lee abot the schedule but they both comfimed they'll be joining so it's pretty exciting stuff. Yes, a certain someone has listened in on some of the lives I've uploaded to YouTube and apparently liked what he heard. I guess all those years of reading about Freddie have finally paid off lol. As for the topics the daughters and I will be covering, thats also something to be determined in the next few weeks. I'll ask them what they're comfortable covering and I'll open questions to the followers for 24 hours, and pick out some of them that fit what the guys are open to. Some more recent good news, our latest giveaway ended last night and although it takes me forever and a day to sort through the messages and entries, I'm happy to say in 30 days time we raised $931.13 for St Jude's children's hospital. Something I'm very proud of! All donations were made directly to the St Jude website and counted by donation conformation screenshots. Each giveaway we hold offers extra entries for those who donate to the charity we are supporting that month. If you donated, thanks so much! Thor and Lee, I'll be emailing! And thanks again for being so open and enthusiastic about joining the live. It's going to be a real honor chatting with you. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 04.04.2019 00:06 |
Cursive is part of our county’s third grade curriculum. I taught third grade last year and for most of my career. We spent very little time weekly on cursive (students practiced in a handwriting book). There is so much more content and state tests that have to be passed that there’s little time to devote to it. There’s so much more that kids have to know by the end of third grade than when I was in school. It takes a lot of time for kids to learn to write well in cursive. After third grade, however, kids are no longer required to write in cursive, so they don’t as it’s not yet a habit. I think that, with all of the technology kids use, there’s no longer a need for it, just like there’s no longer a push to teach spelling because of spell check and auto correct. I have mixed feelings about this. I agree that all kids should learn how to sign their names in cursive (and they love doing this) and I think they should learn to read cursive, but it’s no longer as important as it was when I was in school because every paper in middle and high school has to be submitted electronically. My daughter can sign her name in cursive but prefers to print everything else. But she’s an artist and prints like it’s been written on a computer and printed out. I prefer to write in cursive. Freddie had beautiful handwriting. |
thundergod 04.04.2019 00:46 |
So guys, you are saying that if a certain malware closed down every computer in the country, kids would not know how to communicate their thoughts. Block printing would be the only option. I just don't get it but then again I don't quite understand what happened to all my good old dinosaur friends...lol. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 01:03 |
Yep good ole tecnology. |
Dustin Zimmerman 04.04.2019 01:10 |
Villiers you should be proud. That's a great cause to have them donate to. The live sounds awesome. Can't wait to see it! If I could make a suggestion for the live with them I'd like to hear some about Thor and Lee as individuals outside of Freddie bc they are so much more than just friends to a legend. |
The Black Queen's Kid 04.04.2019 01:10 |
Other than the occasional birthday or Christmas card do people even write real letters anymore? I have friends all over who I text and email, but the need to actually put a pen to paper is a rare occurrence. I think most kids would look at the darkened computer screens and decide to never communicate again. |
thundergod 04.04.2019 01:13 |
Wow Dustin, How kind of you to say that. When it happens, I want to make sure YOU are listening LIVE! |
thundergod 04.04.2019 01:14 |
BlackQueen- Now that is funny! |
Dustin Zimmerman 04.04.2019 01:15 |
I sure will be. Can we ask questions live or are they all going to be pre-picked? All the lives I've seen from her have have pre-picked questions her followers send in but she leaves a few minutes at the begging or end or live questions with the fans. I'd love to interact with you guys live. |
thundergod 04.04.2019 01:19 |
I would answer any question you have Dustin! |
Dustin Zimmerman 04.04.2019 01:22 |
Nice!! I'll be there! |
Katydyd5 04.04.2019 01:35 |
Black Queen's Kid, I'm kind of a throw back I guess. I prefer email, but still write notes or very short letters by hand. I'm also a card sender and usually include notes in the cards. As a former teacher who taught cursive, I do have nice handwriting when I need to, but I tend to use a mix of print and cursive in my casual writing. Thor, the cost of a ticket for WWRY is absurd. It prices so many people out of the experience. I can't even imagine any of the new, younger fans would be able to even consider the show. It will be interesting to see if they are able to sell out the venues. Lee, the Roof Top Garden party must have been unbelievable. Were you ever at any of the Crazy Hat parties? Villiers, if I would take the time to figure out Instagram I'd love to listen to your Live with Thor and Lee. Hopefully you'll put it on your YouTube channel quickly. I'm so impressed that your giveaways raise money for charities. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 01:36 |
Thanks Katie I'm glad you got through your illness and are cancer free. |
emdee0809 04.04.2019 01:48 |
Asking my 7th and 8th graders to write in cursive is like asking them to cut off their hand. They absolutely hate it and sadly see no use for it. Every once in a while I do require them to attempt to write in cursive. It takes them a lot longer to complete the work and often I get the half and half style of "writing". Ohio's new law will put it back into the curriculum next year, but I will long gone before I see if it really becomes relevant again. The dinosaur that I am also writes comments on their papers in cursive only to realize that they can't read it either. Villiers - just joined your Instagram and youtube channel - enjoy both thoroughly - can't wait for Thor and Lee. The second time I tried to post tonight - if this gets repeated - my apologies. |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 01:53 |
I haven't caught up with a few pages of comments, so I missed Katy discussing her illness but I too am glad you got through it, Katy. The live will be up on YouTube within 24 hours of it happening on Instagram so it can be viewed by everyone without it without social media accounts. We can leave a few minutes open for live questions, as I'm sure there will be many. It's going to take some planning on my part and some scheduling, but it's going to be a real thrill! I'll be sure to keep everyone updated. |
NeverTooLate 04.04.2019 01:56 |
I guess I'm old fashioned too. I think it is important to be taught cursive writing. We learned in 3rd grade and it was reinforced thereafter. |
Katydyd5 04.04.2019 02:00 |
Amen NTL. You are preaching to the choir with me. Thanks to all for the well wishes. I kind of regretted hanging that out there and it is most definitely in my rear view mirror now. |
Katydyd5 04.04.2019 02:05 |
Just checked with people still teaching in my district, and yes, they are still teaching cursive. Originally it was taught in third grade, but those teachers had so much pressure with state testing, etc. that it was bumped down to second. The kids loved it, though in truth they found it much harder than they expected and I had to unteach a lot of what their parents had done. Once they knew cursive I wrote all of my comments on their papers in cursive and they were so proud that they could read it. The only problem with teaching it so young is that they don't all have the fine motor skills needed to be successful, but then again, cursive helps develop those skills too. So, I'm on the pro-cursive side of things. |
NeverTooLate 04.04.2019 02:10 |
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Villiers2 04.04.2019 02:16 |
Absolutely! It's @Queen_Memes.KL and our YouTube channel link is available on that front page of our Instagram if you miss any lives. I'll be holding a live in the next few days about Freddie's parents and it'll be uploaded to YouTube soon after. |
EmeraldBarSweeper 04.04.2019 02:49 |
Katy, I think Lee mentioned wearing a homemade light-up fruit hat to Freddie’s hat party. Unless I am mistaken. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.04.2019 03:15 |
Emerald B. Does that sound like something I would do? Hhhmmmm buy the book and see. Actually our hat party experience with Freddie was in New York. Hhhmmmm buy the book and see. I know I’m bad Bed time here. Off to La La land tomorrow. A trip that use to take two hours (that’s why the studios let the actors relocate here) now takes 4 more often for me lately. After our famous desert deluge in February, it took me 5 and a half hours. Only one road into our little village wasn’t flooded. Wish me luck. Ciao |
Jo T. 04.04.2019 03:48 |
Speaking of Freddie’s parents, does anybody have any idea how tall was Freddie’s mother, the late Jer Bulsara? Asking for a friend. I walked the Freedom Trail a couple of years ago in Boston and bought copies of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution for my nephew. It was fresh off the press from a replica of an old-fashioned printer. It’s what every 13-year-old boy obsessed c “Grand Theft Auto” wants as a souvenir from his aunt, right? It dawned on me later that he may not be able to read the cursive well - if barely @ all. Besides not being able to sign your name in cursive, if you can’t write cursive, can you read cursive proficiently? Would future history and English majors have to take an introductory college course in cursive writing? Would some of American and British history be lost when cursive is lost, if people can't read archived documents and personal correspondence from the historical past? Lee (Kathleen), would YOU be interested in carpool karaoke when you and Thor get together in PS? Thor doesn’t appear to be interested, but he can be the silent driver and pay attention to the road. I’d rather hear YOUR voice anyway from the safety of a belted passenger seat. Weren’t you a former singing waiter? |
thundergod 04.04.2019 03:50 |
Great teaser Lee...hahaha...but just WAIT until you all see Kathleen in all of her GLORY!. That alone is worth buying the book. Oh, and Freddie dresses up too but as I've said time and time again, Freddie just LOVES to give his fans wardrobe!...LOL |
thundergod 04.04.2019 03:53 |
Jo T. Lee is a singing fool...he would love that idea! |
thundergod 04.04.2019 03:55 |
Silent driver sounds perfect Jo T. |
NeverTooLate 04.04.2019 04:22 |
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Rainbow61 04.04.2019 04:42 |
I was a third grade teacher for most of my career. My last year of teaching was in 2012. I taught cursive to my third graders every year…for the most part, they liked it. Spelling tests were always done in cursive, but I usually gave the kids a choice whether they wanted to use cursive in other subjects. The school district I did my student teaching in back in 1989 taught cursive in kindergarten! The kids did really well. The loops and circles used in cursive are supposedly much easier for young children to form than printed letters and there is some evidence if helps reduce letter reversals. There were no issues learning to read print later on. Thor and Lee, your question about how people sign checks if they never learn cursive was interesting; I had never thought of that before. I decided to do some online “research”. From what I read, there is no requirement that check signatures be done in cursive. I had no idea. My grandfather, who was born in 1902, had the most beautiful handwriting I have ever seen. It is definitely a dying art…but having said that, I prefer to print. Jo T. I also wonder how people will be able to understand historical documents in the future if they never learn cursive? Can you picture Freddie learning cursive? He seemed like he would have been a "high energy" kid and sitting still to practice his cursive letters was probably torturous for him! |
thundergod 04.04.2019 04:59 |
OK Rainbow, Perhaps checks do not require signatures in cursive, but what about Last Wills and Testaments, Mortgage purchasing, and driver's licenses...mine has my signature in cursive and it is certainly within the last five years. I just don't get it.. |
SM 04.04.2019 05:07 |
I don't know why on earth anyone would want or need to know how tall his parents were but I did meet them briefly along with their daughter. They were all fairly short if that helps any. His sister and mother were very kind. His father seemed reserved and having just lost their son it makes sense. |
Rainbow61 04.04.2019 05:27 |
Thor, While a signature written in cursive is the norm, I am not sure there is any legal requirement that it be in cursive. I read that if a document is signed and witnessed, than it is valid, but I am just passing along Internet info. Who knows? For a while Prince's name was a symbol....I wonder if that is what he used to sign documents? Villiers...I caught your first YouTube broadcast a while back. It was extremely well done. You have such a smooth and natural delivery style. I can't wait to listen to your most recent entry...and an upcoming chat with Thor and Lee...Super. Great idea to combine your passion for Freddie into a fund-raising effort for worthy causes. I believe you have a legal background...any comments about signatures written in cursive? |
Rainbow61 04.04.2019 05:34 |
Chevy, Sorry to hear about the negative side effect of your flu shot. Stay strong! You mentioned that "Chevy" is your stage name. What does that mean? Are you an actress...a singer? |
Rainbow61 04.04.2019 05:49 |
Thor and Lee, It looks like you will need to have a combo NYC book signing AND guided "Freddie Tour"...possibly ending up at Marie's Crisis. Carpool karaoke...how about buspool karaoke...Lee, I think you have been nominated to lead the choir. LOL |
Jo T. 04.04.2019 06:25 |
Rainbow61, I love your idea! We'll serve Moet et Chandon on the party bus, too. NeverTooLate & SM, I appreciate your responses. CHEVYMAN (I'm a FORDWOMAN), I'm sorry about your GBS. Lee, if you're game, I'll need to rehearse some lyrics. I have hands-free Sync, but I can't hold a cheat sheet and drive simultaneously. |
doughnut 04.04.2019 07:12 |
Chevyman sorry to hear you are poorly , that sucks . Vil!iers I listened to your lives they are great . Who is the certain someone who listened ? Sorry I'm a bit dim lol Shaun nice to see you back. Hope you are well? Lee\Thor your trip to London and the party weekend sounds so much fun. Freddie was having a blast with Samantha Fox ! Gary Glitter was there , if only we knew what he was up too lol |
doughnut 04.04.2019 07:17 |
Villiers I hadn't heard of the term 'beard' until recently. Has it always been the term used ? Thor I forgot to say that Jim said Freddie went with Mary because of the press at the party. Such a shame things were so different back then . |
Freddienotfreddy 04.04.2019 08:00 |
I'm in Texas and don't think cursive is taught here any longer. I have a 16 year old son. I remember him being maybe 10 and reading a book and asking me to help him read a small passage of the book that was written in cursive because he didn't understand it. That is when I realized cursive was not being taught and it is a foreign language to some now. I make it a point to write things in cursive every so often, even if it's just doodling the alphabet in cursive, so that I don't forget how to write it. |
Freddienotfreddy 04.04.2019 08:10 |
Rainbow61, I admit I'm not much of a classical music fan and I had never heard of Rocktopia, but it sounds so interesting that I'm really looking forward to it. Another point is that the tickets a very reasonable, about $40. Compared to the prices of most shows these days, that is a steal. We Will Rock You tickets don't go on sale until this Friday where I am. I'm curious as to what the prices are going to be as others have said they are pretty expensive in their various area. I also just learned Cher is coming to my area in December. I'd love to see her show as well. |
Freddienotfreddy 04.04.2019 08:15 |
doughnut, Not to speak for Villers, but I'm pretty sure "the someone with a guitar" being referred to is Brian May. He is really active on social media. |
Freddienotfreddy 04.04.2019 08:18 |
Lee, You mentioned Freddie walked into the Rooftops Garden party with Mary. Was Jim there too? I know Jim mentioned in his book that Freddie would have to walk into places with Mary, and he would be a couple of steps behind them. Was that the case at this party? |
doughnut 04.04.2019 14:20 |
Freddienotfreddy thank you, I did manage to look back and see it was Brian May. How amazing. He was on UK TV yesterday promoting his Queen in 3D book. He always talks so fondly of Freddie . Freddienotfreddy Jim did say he went to the party at the Kensington Roof Top although I know Lee has said he doesn't recall him being on the bus that was organised. From reading Peter's book he mentions that Barbara was over for the concernts too? In Peter's second book he mentioned that from his point of view Freddie had a much healthier relationship with Barbara than what Freddie had with Mary. He explained it because there was no guilt attached with Barbara. Obviously I know Barbara went a bit silly after Freddie died which is a shame. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 15:13 |
Doughnut I think Barbara lied about things that happened but on the other hand she accepted him as he was he didnt have to pretend .She was as wild as he was she also felt comfortable around the gay scene which made a big difference Mary never accepted that part of his life I dont think.Its a shame because he really loved her as his friend and yes gay guys can love women as friends but I dont think she wanted that.She treated his friends terrible or let's say ignore them maybe. |
doughnut 04.04.2019 16:14 |
Chevyman I agree . Peter talked of how much fun Barbara was and that he had some of his best times with her . Although others have said she was a bad influence so who knows . I'm sure Freddie was his own man and did what he wanted |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 16:29 |
Yes I think he did as he pleased alot of people dont like Barbara but I kinda like her in a way because he could let his hair down around her.They blame her for drug taking and so on well that comes with fame it's a price you pay sometimes it's nothing new celebrities have alot of stress if he could go to newyork and Germany and disappear for awhile and be a normal guy so what if he indulged a little it didnt affect his music and he sure wasnt broke if things were like people claim he would've had no money. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 16:29 |
Yes I think he did as he pleased alot of people dont like Barbara but I kinda like her in a way because he could let his hair down around her.They blame her for drug taking and so on well that comes with fame it's a price you pay sometimes it's nothing new celebrities have alot of stress if he could go to newyork and Germany and disappear for awhile and be a normal guy so what if he indulged a little it didnt affect his music and he sure wasnt broke if things were like people claim he would've had no money. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 16:29 |
Yes I think he did as he pleased alot of people dont like Barbara but I kinda like her in a way because he could let his hair down around her.They blame her for drug taking and so on well that comes with fame it's a price you pay sometimes it's nothing new celebrities have alot of stress if he could go to newyork and Germany and disappear for awhile and be a normal guy so what if he indulged a little it didnt affect his music and he sure wasnt broke if things were like people claim he would've had no money. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 16:29 |
Yes I think he did as he pleased alot of people dont like Barbara but I kinda like her in a way because he could let his hair down around her.They blame her for drug taking and so on well that comes with fame it's a price you pay sometimes it's nothing new celebrities have alot of stress if he could go to newyork and Germany and disappear for awhile and be a normal guy so what if he indulged a little it didnt affect his music and he sure wasnt broke if things were like people claim he would've had no money. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 16:30 |
Yes I think he did as he pleased alot of people dont like Barbara but I kinda like her in a way because he could let his hair down around her.They blame her for drug taking and so on well that comes with fame it's a price you pay sometimes it's nothing new celebrities have alot of stress if he could go to newyork and Germany and disappear for awhile and be a normal guy so what if he indulged a little it didnt affect his music and he sure wasnt broke if things were like people claim he would've had no money. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 16:30 |
Yes I think he did as he pleased alot of people dont like Barbara but I kinda like her in a way because he could let his hair down around her.They blame her for drug taking and so on well that comes with fame it's a price you pay sometimes it's nothing new celebrities have alot of stress if he could go to newyork and Germany and disappear for awhile and be a normal guy so what if he indulged a little it didnt affect his music and he sure wasnt broke if things were like people claim he would've had no money. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 16:31 |
What cause this to repeat text? |
Katydyd5 04.04.2019 16:38 |
Chevy, your texts are repeating because you are hitting the "post reply" button more than once. I know it seems like your post isn't there, but it will be, it just takes a long time to load. Just click it once and try to be patient. SM, I understand the interest in the height of Freddie's parents. It took me a while to realize that Freddie wasn't a tall man because his stage presence was so huge. I just assumed that he was tall until I saw him in pictures with other people and read many comments about his slight build. Since people are usually a bit taller with each generation, knowing the height of his parents might give some indication of Freddie's height. I know he always said 5'9'', but I wonder. It's just one of those curious bits of trivia. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 17:50 |
Thank |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 18:00 |
I try to see the positive in everyone but I struggle to see anything positive about Valentin. Anyone who claims Freddie slammed their skull into a sink and strangled them in their sleep with absolutely no proof is the lowest form of a person imo. She was a compulsive liar at best. She may have been fun to hang around with in the early days but even Peter admits Freddie was turned off by her actions and desperation. Who lies to the press and claims they're getting married to a gay man, going way beyond beard duty? Who calls the press and lets them know where they're going to be so she can play beard and hang on his arm? Who waits until that gay man is dead to claim they had a sexual relationship with him and he tried to murder them on 2 occasions? Sorry, she may have been fun for a short time but....yikes. I'm sure Peter has some good memories of her and he spoke to a friend of mine about her in July and said "No, he never was with Barbara" and when asked why he thought Barbara lied he said "People do strange things when they want to feel important. She was fun though." I just....she screams "bad juju". Let's just say she was fun for a short time and helped to translate between freddie and his boyfriend in German. That's something positive lol. And I'm sorry I don't remember who asked me about the term "beard" but it's been around for many years. Especially in Hollywood. Betty White for example said as much as she adored liberace, she was tired of playing his beard throughout the 70s and 80s. Before her it was a few others in the 50s and 60s, so I can imagine the term has been around for decades |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.04.2019 18:41 |
Doughnut. Sorry if I mid spoke. I think I actually have a photo of Jim on the bus. He was in the back with us. |
doughnut 04.04.2019 18:45 |
Thor I was just thinking about Peter description of how you made your way to see Freddie after your first meeting which Freddie was really happy about . What prompted you to do this rather than leaving it as a one night thing ? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.04.2019 18:50 |
MIS spoke |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 04.04.2019 18:58 |
I know Jim was at the party but I don’t remember any details in regards to him. |
doughnut 04.04.2019 19:05 |
Villiers it was me that asked about the term 'beard'. I'm not very knowledgeable with hollywood and I'm sorry I don't know much about betty white. It's a completely new thing to me. I agree what Barbara said after is absolutely appalling . Really I was just going on the section in Peter's book about her. It reads that he was quite fond of her and correct me if I'm wrong but I think he wrote the book after Barbara made her claims. I may be wrong though as I'm not that knowledgeable about it outside of his book. Lee that's cool that you may have Jim in a photo with you all. It was a !ong time ago , not sure if I remember much from 1986 lo! |
doughnut 04.04.2019 19:06 |
Lee I'm shocked .....why did you not track Jim's every move :) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.04.2019 19:09 |
Lee- Are the photos of Jim in the book? I love seeing photos of him and sadly there aren't many. And your gorgeous smile, of course! |
doughnut 04.04.2019 19:15 |
Villiers I know you refer to Barbara as his beard and going beyond beard duty but aside from that I thought they were friends. She did seem to feature in his life in the garden lodge period , apart from the last year . I think Freddie perhaps had seen through her by this point but she did seem to be more than just a beard. It's the same with ma , she wasn't just a beard but a very good treasured friend . |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 19:46 |
I'm going by what Peter Freestone and friend Dennis DeWitt have said. She was definitely fun to hang around with in the beginning, but Freddie "started to avoid her". Dennis mentioned a number of times Freddie saw her enter into a bar and he left out the back to not cross paths with her. It's important to remember that Freddie was very guilt driven. We see that in relationships like Mary, Joe and even Prenter. By that I mean, for one reason or another Freddie oftentimes seemed to feel he owed people he was once close to something in return. Joe seems to have been a great guy, but many sources say their breakup was a bad one and Freddie felt guilt over it. Enough to not only bring him back into the inner circle but to provide him with a job. Same thing (but on a much larger scale) with Mary. We can talk for days about what all Freddie did over the years to make up for disappointing her lol. What I'm getting at is, one of Freddie's most interesting character traits seems to be a certain feeling of obligation to those he felt he was once close to. Too many sources say he was annoyed with Barbara for me to believe he never lost interest in their friendship. But like Prenter and many others who showed some bad colors, he let her back into his life with what Peter called "a certain distance kept all the way". I discussed this a bit in my Prenter live a few months ago (trying to hunt it down and upload it to YouTube) and like Paul, Barbara showed she couldn't be trusted and was still allowed back into the circle before being cut out completely. Paul didn't do 90% of what the movie claimed he did, but the paper sellout wasn't his first screw up with Freddie either. Before that, he was let back into the inner circle multiple times. I believe its because Freddie felt a closeness to him once, when Paul had introduced Freddie into the gay scene. That was a positive to Paul. He helped to introduce Freddie to the gay world and he did have good intentions while doing it. At the time, there was "no danger" aside from good sex and late nights for the most part. Then there's also the 'mother' aspect to Barbara. Like Mary, Freddie seemed to cling on to female friendships in his life (the few he had). By that I mean, he saw the negative of both women, knew the downside of keeping up a friendship with both and continued to do it. Some would argue more so than any other man in his life. Why is that? My theory is because they represented a mother like figure to him. Look at Barbara. He would gush about his boyfriends and ask for advice and run to her apartment if in an arguement with his lover. He couldn't gush about boyfriends to Mary, he never seemed to feel right about it and according to Peter, he hid many parts of his life from her. What she did do was get after him as a mother does, keep one foot of his on the ground. Both these women offered him different aspects of what a mother would. I have no doubt he loved his mother and that his mother loved him but there's no denying Mrs Bulsara shamed Freddie for being gay and Freddie responded by hiding that part of his life from her. Hiding everything from his private life from her. They loved each other but they weren't close in the way most mothers and sons are. When you get sent off at 7 years old and don't live with your mom again until your late teens, you may not necessarily know them, or them you. I think Freddie tended to lean on Barbara and Mary similarly. In the beginning both were fun and exciting. Then they became a comfort. A mother substitute. Would he have broken away from Barbara sooner though, had he not felt some kind of guilt for once being so close to her? That's something to chew on. I rant, I know lol. But yes, I do believe Freddie was once good friends with Barbara but I don't believe his friendship with her after her slip ups was ever the same and I have to wonder how much of that friendship was based in guilt and some "mommy issues" later in his life. And this is coming from someone with their own mommy issues so please don't take it as a negative thing lol |
doughnut 04.04.2019 20:25 |
Villiers yep I get all of what you said but at the end of the day there is only one person who could clarify all this and sadly he is gone . I follow Denis on Instagram and I'm not overly keen. I saw his comments about barbara, he also told someone Jim was there just to look after the cats and garden lodge and Freddie at the end. When I questioned this he got defensive and said that is what everyone in the c!ubs at that time were saying. Funnily enough this is what barbara is quoted as saying in the Lesley Ann book. He is sharing his personal photos and getting cross that they are being screenshot. It's social media what does he expect. Sorry I just don't get good vibes from him about his friendship with Freddie like I do with Thor and lee. |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 20:42 |
He's only said good things to me about Jim, but I haven't spoken to him in a few months. Maybe he changed his mind on him or something lol. I can't say I get bad vibes from him and he does provide us with some really good information, so I'm down with him. |
doughnut 04.04.2019 20:54 |
Me again , just got to say i still find it so hard to match the Freddie on stage to the man you see showing people around garden lodge. He really did seem like two people. He used to say he is quite boring really but I bet he wasn't at all. Everyone who knew him has nothing but good to say about him. That's what makes him.so amazing |
doughnut 04.04.2019 20:56 |
Villiers I'll see if I change my mind about him , perhaps I'm being harsh |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 21:06 |
No, like i said it been a few months since I've last spoken to him so maybe he's changed a little. You're not the first one to tell me about his photo thing, either. He does however have some great info and has been kind enough to reach out to me on a few occasions and confirm many of my theories and elaborate more on them so I hope to stay in contact with him if for nothing else than to keep providing Freddie's fans with solid info. I do feel that Thor and Lee radiate more of a family vibe with Freddie than he does, though. I sense more of a closeness between the NYDs and Freddie than he had for sure. |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 21:38 |
Villers, did Barbara really accuse Freddie of abusing her and calling the press to follow them.Thats one desperate woman.They say girls used to follow him when they even already suspected he was gay.That part about his mom makes me sad maybe he wouldnt have depended on ma so much if things were different.What about his father did they have a accepting relationship? |
CHEVYMAN 04.04.2019 21:45 |
Villers, he really went out the back of the bar as she came in the front.DIdnt they live together share a room or something.Fatal Attraction that's all I'm saying. |
FreddieDarling 04.04.2019 22:43 |
We seem to know so very little about Freddie's Dad, Bomi. The only personal thing I've ever heard relayed about him is the report Kashmira gave that she and her Dad cried over the newspaper articles about Freddie which they read together. God, I hope they didn't read the hateful, dreadful homophobic column written by that foul scumbag Joe Haines! I also heard that the distance between Freddie and his father was somewhat healed when Freddie payed for the best medical care for his Dad when he had a health crisis. Don't know how true that was. I understand their relationship was quite.... remote for some years, which is quite understandable considering both Freddie's long distance formative years and his life style as a touring rock star. I think they were closer in Freddie's declining years, when it must gave become apparent that their first born child was ailing. It's striking to me that in, was it Days Of Our Lives documentary?, that Kashmira said "We knew Freddie was gay, but that didn't bother ME, at all" not _US_ , but ME. Oh. Why can not all family members embrace their loved ones life choices and show their acceptance and blessing ? As far as I'm concerned if nobody is being hurt, and everyone is consenting, live and let live! No wonder Freddie's life was so complicated when he had to compartmentalise his life so much. How tiring! How unfair. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.04.2019 23:00 |
Someone did ask Dennis whether he thought Freddie was in love with Jim and he said "yes" It's important to remember that Dennis only knew Freddie for a short time in Munich. He wasn't a close friend. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.04.2019 23:00 |
Someone did ask Dennis whether he thought Freddie was in love with Jim and he said "yes" It's important to remember that Dennis only knew Freddie for a short time in Munich. He wasn't a close friend. |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 23:29 |
Lol yeah Chevy, he did run out the back and I'm not going to lie, I cracked up when I heard that bc I think weve all been there with a friend before. "Oh no...not her. Not right now." *makes a swift exit* A friend from Germany known as Miss Piggy confirmed the story as well. Made me chuckle! No, that's a pretty common misconception that they lived together because they did in fact go half on an apartment but freddie never stayed there and didn't even feel it important enough to leave her his half of it in the will. She had to fight the courts and ended up buying his half. Peter said he only stayed at her apartment when he got into a bad fight with winnie and said freddie stayed overnight at her place no more than 2 times that he can remember. And that was before they bought the apartment together. |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 23:34 |
Oops, sorry I didn't see your comment about Freddie's father earlier. Bomi was always described as quiet, stern and respected. Not much is known about him. Peter said Bomi rarely spoke but when he did, "Freddie always stopped what he was doing and listened." I don't get the idea that they were particularly close, but I have no doubt he loved his son and that Freddie never lost his respect for his father. Also yes, the murder claims from Barbara come from her own interviews with Lelsey Ann Jones (yuck) and handwritten letters from Barbara to her friend Maurine (the name started with an M, I want to say Maurine lol). The part about her calling the press and letting them know where they'll be came from Peter Freestone. It's safe to say she was just....a mess lol. |
Dustin Zimmerman 04.04.2019 23:37 |
Sweet that's not exactly true. Denis was in Germany but he'd known Freddie for years as they met in Brazil. I just spoke with him last week about it. Something like 81 or 82 to 88 before they lost contact. |
Freddienotfreddy 04.04.2019 23:40 |
Villers2, The part in Peter's second book where he tries to explain Freddie's friendships with Mary and Barbara is very interesting. I wish I could force all the people in the Mary-was-Freddie's-true love camp to read it! |
Villiers2 04.04.2019 23:47 |
"It's striking to me that in, was it Days Of Our Lives documentary?, that Kashmira said "We knew Freddie was gay, but that didn't bother ME, at all" not _US_ , but ME. Oh. Why can not all family members embrace their loved ones life choices and show their acceptance and blessing?" I'm glad someone else picked up on that too. Reminds me of what David Minms had to say about it. "I believe that Freddie thought that he was letting his parents down and therefore perhaps letting his religion down at the same time by eventually admitting he was openly gay. It is not surprising that he wished to suppress his past given that they perhaps would never accept him as anything else but heterosexual. His father Bomi, would always refer to his gayness as, “That other business”. I remember having the most almighty row with Freddie after he arrived at the flat having spent lunch with his parents and no doubt Mary, because Jer, his mother, had accused him and had asked him, “You’re not up to your old tricks again, are you?" Confrontations about his sexuality Freddie could not deal with and he would run away immediately. This was the abiding frustration for him. The number of times I had to listen to him in heated telephone conversation with Mary and, no doubt, she vice versa with myself, were indeed numerous. We were not the cause of his frustrations; the cause of some pressures, yes, but Freddie survived and fed off of pressures throughout his life. They were the fuel for his imagination; he released them as lyrics upon a page and transferred this to the recording studio and the live stage." And "Freddie’s problems were exacerbated because of his guilt concerning Mary and the continuing deceit he showed towards his parents. His mother asked him yet again, at lunch one day, “You’re not up to your old tricks again are you?” Meaning? “You’re not seeing men again?” He was in a rage and very upset when he came over to see me that evening." His parents came from a totally different world than he, and I think they never understood why he "chose" to be gay. They just didn't get it and I think he felt so much shame, he probably just felt it was better to keep Mary around them not so much to protect them as Kash suggests, but to swerve any questions about "that other buisness" he might get. Give them a sense of normalcy in his life and block the questions lol. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 00:17 |
Sounds like the relationship my uncle and grandpa had till the day they died.My grandpa couldnt stand to look at him and they were once so close so as I got a little older and figured out I liked both boys and girls he told me not to talk to them about it and I know why.Even when my uncle passed my grandpa thought he got sick because he sinned.My whole family were of mormon faith and then theirs me.Its was alright to have 7 or 8 wives but i guess your not allowed to love who you want I dont get that. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 00:43 |
Villers, you know what they say the more you drink the better they start to look and then you wake up next to them and say damn your ugly.Maybe that's what he thought of her when he ran out that back door.Its good his sister accepted him most of the time your siblings will. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 00:57 |
Ha Ha Doughnut, This late in the game, I will have to refer you to chapter 2, Philadelphia.(We call them vignettes rather than chapters) in the book...sorry. I have to prove that there is still going to be much NEW information in the book, per the publisher's (whoever that will be) request. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 01:02 |
Sweet&Tender, There is a GREAT photograph of Freddie and Jim having an arm wrestle....it WILL be in the book! |
thundergod 05.04.2019 01:22 |
Doughnut, I am pretty sure you are mistaken about Barbara's "time period". She played a definite role in the 1984-1986 Munich, Germany days. However, during the 1986-1991 Garden Lodge days, I don't think she did, but I could be wrong. |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 01:34 |
"There is a GREAT photograph of Freddie and Jim having an arm wrestle....it WILL be in the book!" That alone is worth the purchase of a copy! Seeing them together warms my heart. He seemed so content in photos with Jim. I like to believe he was. There's also a great quote from Peter that says something like "Freddie created his own family with people he picked himself. Friends." I find myself piping up with "and family" whenever I hear someone mention Thor and Lee as simply "friends of Freddie" . This book is going to blow the roof off the joint. |
emdee0809 05.04.2019 01:34 |
Thor - love your teasers about the book!! Just wondering if you or Lee have ever had any desire to visit the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland? Also, I would like to thank everyone for filling me in on the Lesley Jones bio - money saved going towards Thor and Lee's book:) |
Katydyd5 05.04.2019 01:49 |
Emdee, glad you passed on the Lesley Jones bio.Have you read any good books? Did you read Peter and Jim's? I also really like the Minns/Evans book. Love the teasers Thor and Lee put out about their book. I can hardly wait to get my hands on it. Like Villiers, I think Freddie looks so content in the photos with Jim. One of my favorites is the two of them in plaid shirts standing in front of the dining room (?) window. You can see the love. There are several from Christmas too that are just plain happy. Thor or Lee, did you guys meet Mack? What was your impression of him? |
thundergod 05.04.2019 01:50 |
Well Villiers, When Freddie was quite upset one morning and Phoebe told us, peeking his head outside of Freddie's hotel suite's door that it might not be a good time to visit, we heard Freddie yell out in the background, "let them in Phoebe, they are family." |
emdee0809 05.04.2019 02:02 |
Katydyd5- I have both of Peter's books and Jim's on my kindle. Also on kindle I have This was the Real Life by Minns and Evans. I bought Somebody to Love in paperback. The prices for the hard copies seem very expensive for Peter's books. I also purchased Brian Mays 3 D book a few months ago. Ratty's book sounds interesting although some of the reviews on Amazon weren't very good-but most on this forum seem to like it- so I will probably get that next. Any other recommendations would be appreciated!! |
thundergod 05.04.2019 02:08 |
I'm not sure if I did meet Mack...was he one of the roadies? The friends of Freddie that I remember meeting, besides quick hello's to the other three Band Members and short periods with Mary Austin are: Dave Clark (of course) Cliff Richards David Hodo (Village People's construction worker) in New York Fran Leibowitz (in New York) Peter Straker A very entertaining guy named Tony (last name escapes me right now). He used to be Man Friday (or Phoebe if you will) for Elton John and Yoko Ono. This guy had the funniest stories ever and his delivery and timing were great. He kept Freddie laughing for sure. Lee might have a more expansive list. |
Freddienotfreddy 05.04.2019 02:13 |
emdee0809, I do not recommend Somebody To Love. I have read it and it is full of lies. It quotes a lot of Leslie Ann Jones's lies about Barbara Valentin and also states the lie that Freddie contracted HIV from Thor and Lee's friend John Murphy. Thor has already disputed this. The book goes so far as to attempt to connect Freddie to the flight attendant that was the so-called patient 0 HIV carrier. |
Freddienotfreddy 05.04.2019 02:16 |
Thor, I think the Mack Katydyd5 is referring to is Reinhold Mack, who was Queen's and Freddie's record producer. Freddie was the godfather to one of Mack's sons. |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 02:19 |
Yikes, you'll want to avoid that Somebody To Love book. The whole Barbara Valentin thing from it is sourced from Lesley Ann Jones. And it's the book that made the claim that John Murphy was patient zero/infected Freddie. None of that stuff was true. Ps Thor, I've been getting loads of requests for questions for you guys already. Someone mentioned John Murphy and I'd definitely like you guys to clear the air for him as many of those people read the Somebody To Love book and were shocked to hear it wasn't true. That is, if you're up to answering questions about John M and Joe S. I've gotten an update from Ms Sam today too that's pretty exciting. I'll drop you guys an email this weekend to chat about it. Enjoy your time with Lee! |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 02:19 |
Lol FNF, looks like we were thinking the same thing |
thundergod 05.04.2019 02:28 |
I love it Villiers... This podcast with Lee and myself is getting more and more exciting. So as it turns out, I will be back in Palm Springs (besides this visit Apr 6th to Apr 10th), on Apr 17th or 18th until Apr. 23rd. Maybe we can work it out during that time period. Especially exciting is that - word has it - that a special guest may be listening in!. |
Freddienotfreddy 05.04.2019 02:31 |
Does anyone know what happened to Terry, Freddie's driver/bodyguard? I think his last name was Giddons? He isn't talked about a lot, but he was also with Freddie to the very end and Freddie included him in his will along with Jim,Joe, and Peter. Peter mentioned that Terry continued to come to Garden Lodge everyday even when it was obvious that Freddie would no longer be leaving the house. Peter also mentions that Freddie thought Terry's son was one of the most well mannered children he'd ever met. He did mind him being in Garden Lodge with all his priceless vases and art. Thor/Lee, Did you meet Terry during your visits to London? Were you driven by him when you went out with Freddie in London, especially during the 1986 visit? He was obviously loyal and cared about Freddie and Freddie obviously trusted him and considered him part of the family. |
Freddienotfreddy 05.04.2019 02:38 |
Villers2, HAHA..yeah we were. I remember reading that book and smelling the BS. When I got to the patient 0 and John Murphy part, I knew the author was pulling that out of his you-know-what. |
emdee0809 05.04.2019 02:50 |
Thanks for the heads up on the book- I guess I'll just look at the pictures!! |
emdee0809 05.04.2019 02:50 |
Thanks for the heads up on the book- I guess I'll just look at the pictures!! |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 02:56 |
Freddienotfreddy wrote: Does anyone know what happened to Terry, Freddie's driver/bodyguard?.Hi FNF! In the books I read (Jim's and Phoebe's) I remember the mention that Terry was offered a job by MA to continue in his role and he had accepted. What became of him thereafter I've never heard. He was the only one who MA retained and didn't rescind a job offer (Phoebe being the one who did experience that). |
Katydyd5 05.04.2019 03:01 |
Emdee, I liked Ratty's book, though you'll learn more about the life of a Queen roadie than Freddie. It's definitely a "warts and all " book, but I get a kick out of the diva side of Freddie too. In the end it's clear that he has a love for Freddie. He does mention the New York Daughters. If you've seen him in interviews since he's very likable. Yes Thor, I meant Reinhold Mack, their producer. Someone gave us a great link recently to an interview with Mack, Mike Moran, and a man whose name escapes me at the moment. Mack and his family were very close to Freddie, and provided him a family life in Munich. Freddie and John Deacon are godfathers to Mack's son Freddy. |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 03:03 |
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Freddienotfreddy 05.04.2019 03:15 |
NeverTooLate, Thank you. I have read both of Peter's books and Jim's book, but did not remember Terry being kept on by Mary. I do remember her initially saying Peter would stay on then rescinding that offer very last minute. emdee, I also enjoyed Peter "Ratty" Hince's book. It is not Freddie centric, but I enjoy learning about the band as a whole as well. Thor/Lee, Another thing Iv'e been curious about, in Ratty's book he mentions that Freddie did not want to do the Magic tour. Chris Taylor (Roger's roadie) said the same thing. Both Ratty and Chris have said they were part of coaxing Freddie into the tour. This may be more of a Phoebe question, but do you remember Freddie expressing hesitation about the tour and why he did not want to do it? |
Jo T. 05.04.2019 03:44 |
About cursive and signatures on legal documents . . . Somebody or more than one person had asked about it on the thread. I can't even remember how it related to Freddie in the 1st place. I consulted my sister and brother-in-law earlier tonight. They're both licensed attorneys in their home state in the U.S. According to them, a person does NOT have to sign his/her name in cursive on legal documents! Print is acceptable. My BIL joked that most of his clients' signatures "are barely legible anyway." An illiterate client could theoretically sign his name as an "X" on legal documents. |
Jo T. 05.04.2019 04:01 |
thundergod wrote: . . . we heard Freddie yell out in the background, "let them in Phoebe, they are family."I'll bet you and Lee melted when you heard him. It even melted MY ice-cold heart! LOL In a way, the NY Daughters were the family he never had, where he could be his true self and receive unconditional love and acceptance. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 04:40 |
HaHa Jo T....you will have to wait for that episode in the book, with pictures... |
thundergod 05.04.2019 04:47 |
Jo T. Page 166, my second reply down from the top, I admitted that this cursive discussion had nothing to do with Freddie, by saying humorously that Freddie wrote in cursive (so that's how it is related).. |
Rainbow61 05.04.2019 04:51 |
Jo T. Thanks for the info about signatures. I think this began with Thor making an innocent comment that he had heard schools don't teach cursive anymore...then the teachers, former and current, chimed in (along with a few others) and the cursive conversation was set in motion! Speaking of writing....there is a quick scene in the Budapest documentary where Freddie is signing what looks to be a guest book or register. Brian, John, Roger, and Jim Beach are behind him. Freddie turns around to get Jim B's attention and says "Watch this". Then Freddie points to something in the book and they all crack up. Does anyone know what Freddie said/did that made them laugh? It's cute...and Freddie looks quite dapper in his blue suit! |
Rainbow61 05.04.2019 05:00 |
Thor...I must have been composing my last response when you posted...I didn't see it until after. I am looking forward to any copies of cards or notes from Freddie that you and Lee will be including in the book. Those must be some of your most meaningful keepsakes from him. |
doughnut 05.04.2019 06:59 |
Dustin I have seen Denis say that it was Paul printer who introduced him to Freddie in a Munich club . Reason being queen had performed in rock in Rio in Jan 85 and Denis is from rio. That's why I'm wary. Also be said he got to know Freddie well in the shot of his video living in my own. Furthermore both Peter and jim mention a good friend in munich called patrick. He lived above winnie's restaurant. He adopted Dorothy the cat. Denis said he didn't know of patrick which is odd if he knew Freddie that well to be a c!ose friend . Denis didn't know about the incident at Freddie party where prenter gave Freddie something that caused him to go blind for a while when the cake came out. Even though he said he spoke to him lots that night . |
doughnut 05.04.2019 06:59 |
Dustin I have seen Denis say that it was Paul printer who introduced him to Freddie in a Munich club . Reason being queen had performed in rock in Rio in Jan 85 and Denis is from rio. That's why I'm wary. Also be said he got to know Freddie well in the shot of his video living in my own. Furthermore both Peter and jim mention a good friend in munich called patrick. He lived above winnie's restaurant. He adopted Dorothy the cat. Denis said he didn't know of patrick which is odd if he knew Freddie that well to be a c!ose friend . Denis didn't know about the incident at Freddie party where prenter gave Freddie something that caused him to go blind for a while when the cake came out. Even though he said he spoke to him lots that night . |
doughnut 05.04.2019 07:03 |
Thor barbara is in photos at garden lodge and in photos in spain. She did appear to be around until the last year. She is in the garden lodge tapes over Christmas . It's where Freddie is showing people the mews. Jim also mentions her in his book And regarding my question ......nooooo I can't wait that long ha ha |
doughnut 05.04.2019 07:08 |
Katy that is one on my fav photos of Jim's and freddie. Also Jim shared a,photo of the arm wrestle in his book. It's an awsome photo. Can't wait for the book |
doughnut 05.04.2019 07:17 |
Excuse my spelling, kindle keeps changing my words ...grrrr Can't remember who asked but in the magic interview in 86 Freddie talks about being doubtful of the tour because it requires a lot of fitness etc. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 11:55 |
Doughnut, yes I think that's why he didnt want to tour any more .Brian still wanted him too but it required to much for him he was starting to feel the effects of his illness I can relate autoimmune diseases make you feel so tired with chronic fatigue all time. |
Katydyd5 05.04.2019 12:41 |
Rainbow, in the Budapest clip where Freddie is signing the guestbook, I believe the person directly above in the book had signed their name and then written Bank of England. I think Freddie signed his name and then wrote "Queen of England". Not sure, but that's what I got from it. Emdee, another book you might want to look into is Peter's cookbook. I think it is called Freddie Mercury's Royal Recipes. I can't remember if we had a discussion about the book here, or if it was somewhere on FB. The book is full of anecdotes about Freddie, pictures, many of whom are the NY Daughters, and of course, recipes. There are sample menus from parties too. Some of the recipes look very tasty but so far I've been too lazy to do the conversions so that I can prepare them. Either way, the book is a fun read. |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 12:44 |
There might have been an additional reason for not wanting to tour outside of Europe and UK, in addition to the fatigue FM was experiencing, and that was speculated about in one of the books I read. The theory went like this: tours require health screenings to get insurance coverage for the stars of the tour. An insurance medical screening would include blood tests and those tests might have included the HIV test if it was available and if it was and it was accurate, FM's status would have showed up as positive. No idea if any of that is accurate, it's what I read and remembered. |
doughnut 05.04.2019 14:50 |
NeverToo Late I was under the impression that the health screeninng reason for no further tours was made up and contained in the books written about Freddie/queen that contain a lot of incorrect information? I don't know if I have seen or read Brian and co say this. I'm guessing he must have known something may be wrong and Brian has said that Freddie said ' i can't tour anymore, my whole body is wrecked in pain' but Brian said this was something Freddie said after most of their tours so they didn't take much notice. If that were the case wouldn't they have all had to undergo blood test etc before the magic tour and if so wouldn't it have possibly given a result of either HIV or aids. Gerry was their concernt promoter and maybe harvey goldsmith and back then they didn't have sponsors. Brian has said that was the first tour where they actually made money, probably because they played large outdoor venues. Katy would you recommend Peter's cookery book , is there any new stories in it that we might not know from his books? Cheyman Freddie was diagnosed after the Magic tour. I think he looked great during this tour so I never understand people who say he looked ill. He went to Japan afterwards with Jim and offcourse he had his hat party and he looked great at these events too. This is my thoughts from seeing photos and the tour on dvd. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 14:55 |
Doughnut I get what you saying he did look really good for a long time he was so physically fit. |
doughnut 05.04.2019 15:00 |
Thor/lee when your book is publised , will it be worldwide ? I'd be gutted if I can't get a copy :) |
Katydyd5 05.04.2019 15:01 |
Doughnut, I'm not sure I'd say that there is a ton of new info in the cookbook, and you will have seen all of the pictures. I enjoyed see the comments and stories about the types of food Freddie enjoyed for each of his meals. He had a different palate from mine as far as preferences and it was fun to compare. I have a large collection of books about Freddie, and this one is a unique addition. Several other people here also have the cookbook so maybe they can weigh in with an opinion. When I bought my copy some or all of the proceeds went to MPT and that was another reason for my purchase. |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 15:33 |
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mika251 05.04.2019 15:34 |
Hello everybody, this is my first post in this wonderful thread and my English is really horrible so I hope you won't judge me too strictly ?? Villiers2 Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge and thoughts. I'm thinking about guilt theory and I agree that it could be very important force in Freddie's relationships. But when we consider that he would let people stay in his life because he felt guilty, what about contracting Jim with HIV? That must be humongous guilt feeling he practically killed him (at that time when there was no proper medication). I know he didn't knew Jim was HIV positive until 1990 but he wasn't stupid he had to suspect this. I really wish to believe that they had wonderful relationship until the end but there are some clues which make me uneasy, even written by Jim Hutton himself. I'm pretty sure that they were very much in love at the beginning but towards the end I tend to believe that there was this guilt factor which made Freddie to stay with Jim. And also his fear of being alone. He knew there is no chance to find somebody else. I'm quite sure Jim loved Freddie but I'm not sure it was the same from Freddie towards Jim, I mean after several years staying together. But I also know that even when there is no big love and passion in a long term relationship, you can be happy with your partner and I very much hope, they were happy together. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 15:35 |
Oh no Doughnut,. You mean Lee's photo of the arm wrestle is not the only one? I will have to ask him if someone else snapped a pic at the same time. Thanks for warning me. Lee, is this possible? |
Freddienotfreddy 05.04.2019 15:47 |
Right, I know he couldn't tour anymore AFTER the Magic Tour once he was diagnosed. I was wondering about his hesitation to do the Magic Tour itself. It is possible he may have already not been feeling 100% even if he didn't know why yet. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 15:48 |
World Wide, Doughnut ? Why, it will be Galaxy Wide, darling!" Just a little Freddie inspired humor. (disclaimer: No, Freddie never said this) |
doughnut 05.04.2019 15:53 |
well it had better be Galaxy Wide Thor or I shall hop on a plane and come find you ha ha Yes the arm wrestle is all over the internet, it's a fab photo. I just checked and yes it is in Jim's book with the notes 'sparring partners - Freddie and me during the Magic Tour. Lee's one might be slightly different, different angle etc. Have a look onthe internet to check. I would add it here but I don't know how to . |
Freddienotfreddy 05.04.2019 15:54 |
Just a FYI :) I Know earlier in the week there was some discussion of the ticket prices for the We Will Rock You musical. I'm in the Houston area and it is coming here in October. The tickets went on sale this morning and are what I feel pretty reasonable, with the lowest price tickets being about $29.50 up to about $59.50. I think the more outrageous prices may have been through third party ticket brokers. I purchased my ticket directly from Ticketmaster. Of course, I don't the situation in other areas. |
mika251 05.04.2019 16:00 |
Mary and also Brian mentioned, Freddie knew something is not right with him during the Magic tour and what is the reason. He looked great and healthy but it doesn't mean he didn't feel tired and not fit. I think it was the interview with BBC where Mary mentioned that at the end of Knebworth show she and Freddie look at each other and they knew, that it's over, there won't be any other show anymore. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 16:05 |
Welcome Mica! And your English is VERY good, better than some native speakers...lol I have no insight into the Freddie/Jim relationship other than from my observations of the two interacting, To me, there was evidence of deep love. You could easily find this evidence in the way they looked at each other. Additionally it was evident in the way he protected Jim (and I must say, vice versa). Jim was not an intellectual and he was socially awkward and shy but I believe he had a big, loving heart and would always give Freddie anything and everything he was capable of giving. Unfortunately in this particular case, he gave his life.. |
doughnut 05.04.2019 16:06 |
Mika don't worry your english is fine...welcome :) I understand where you are coming from regarding Jim and Freddie as I thought that myself at times but then I am not sure if Freddie would have stayed with him just for that reason. I could be wrong obviously as I don't know Freddie. Villiers did say in her live that at the end Freddie wouldn't let go of Jim when he was changing shifts with one of the others guys , until he got a cuddle or kiss from Jim. case as it's clear how much Jim adored him. In Jim's book he confirms that Freddie didn't find out until three weeks before he passed away. I guessing he must have thought the chances of Jim having it high. I did read an interview Jim gave where he said Freddie had suggested several times to get a blood test but Jim refused for the reasons in his book. I'm a romantic so I'm hoping Freddie didnt have any guilt being with Jim. One thing that I did feel after reading Jim's book is that I wish that Jim had walked away in the early days when Freddie was messing him around. Only because I felt that Jim was a normal guy pulled into a mad life with Freddie. It was the period when Jim would be used to make Winnie jealous that I found sad. Because he was a normal every day guy makes it all the harder when people call him a gold digger etc etc. He didn't ask to be pulled into Freddiee's life as such, Freddie picked him. I can't blame Jim for falling in love as Freddie has the most gorgeous dark eyes . I never knew he was such a good looking man until recently. |
mika251 05.04.2019 16:09 |
Thundergod, Thank you for your nice words. Regarding Freddie and Jim... You made me cry ?? there is nothing more to say ?? |
mika251 05.04.2019 16:13 |
I don't know why there are question marks at the end of my sentences, I haven't written them :) |
mika251 05.04.2019 16:13 |
I don't know why there are question marks at the end of my sentences, I haven't written them :) |
mika251 05.04.2019 16:14 |
I don't know why there are question marks at the end of my sentences, I haven't written them :) |
doughnut 05.04.2019 16:19 |
Mika I am always a bit skeptical about Mary saying she knew Freddie had HIV/AIDS during the magic tour. For me it makes Freddie look in a bad light as that means he didn't tell Jim and that opens a big can of worms. I tend to belive the timeline of 1987 as this is what both Jim and Peter have said. Being as they all lived together I would have thought if Freddie had known in 1986 he would have told all the guys in the house. I could be wrong but that is what I tend to belive. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 16:20 |
FreddienotFreddy, yes I'm sure he wasnt feeling his best like alot of people you just keep working and ignore it.As time went on and it had developed into AIDS he probably started having alot of infections colds maybe maybe skin wounds or spots that wouldnt heal.My uncle kept getting bronchitis and he couldnt get rid of it.He finally went to hospital one night and they put him in hospital with tests they said he had pneumonia but it was a certain kind that only people with weak immune systems get so to make a long story short his pneumonia diagnose lead to his AIDS diagnosis. |
Jo T. 05.04.2019 16:21 |
@FreddienotFreddy, I'm presently on my lunch hour @ work. I got seats for "We Will Rock You" for $46/person. I'm in the Midwest. I was pleasantly shocked it was so reasonable, esp. these days. Thanks, Katydyd5, for sharing the original info! Well, it's back to work. |
mika251 05.04.2019 16:24 |
Doughnut I think that he suspected this issue. That's all. I'm pretty sure he felt "different" but it could be everything. Some other illness. Or simply age. He was forty, I'm 33 and I can't imagine how demanding it was to run around the stage and sing my lungs out every other evening. But I'm sure he knew there won't be any other tour . Whatever the reason was. |
doughnut 05.04.2019 16:29 |
Thor your words about Jim and Freddie are lovely. Jim being shy and socially awkward must have been hard for him at times. Imagine being that way and you meet a famous rock star. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 16:45 |
Mika, you and my son have the same name I agree with doughnut I think what Mary has said painted Freddie in a bad light I dont see him intentionally giving Jim Aids.So I dont buy her story one bit nor do I believe some other things she has said she didnt lie like miss Barbara but she tried to paint herself in a innocent light a saint moreless and yes that wasnt nice of me but he loved Jim from what I have heard and read so she definitely didnt know then.We have to keep in mind Jim could've already had Aids himself but it's not fair to speculate because back then they were scared and didnt even know 100% what caused it. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.04.2019 16:51 |
Doughnut: They. may not have screened for HIV for tour insurance in 85/86. I believe the tests weren't as accurate as they became a few years later anyway, but it's possible they didn't even screen for it then. Now for bands touring they do screen for that and all STD's, and other diseases in order to get insurance. |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 16:58 |
Freddie couldn't have felt good about Jim's HIV diagnosis, but I don't think guilt was the main driving force even at the end. The reason being Freddie didn't just keep Jim in his life, he also gushed over his relationship with Jim. Unedited 1987 ibiza interview with David Wigg sampled in both The Untold Story and the 2012 Great Pretender doc officially released by Queen Productions: David: "What would you like to say?" FM: "I'm very happy in the relationship I'm in at the moment. I don't have to try so hard. I've got a very understanding relationship. I've finally found the niche I've been looking for all my life. And no fucker in this universe is going to upset it." That doesn't sound like a guilt driven relationship, imo. A letter written in Freddie's hand to Jim has been attached in this thread a few times esitimated date being very late 80s to 1990 as well that reads "Dearest, thanks for the roses. You make me very happy. Yes happy as I have never been in my life." Peter Freestone answered the question 'Who was the love of Freddie's life?' With "Garden Lodge. Garden Lodge and Jim." I think even Peter originally suspected Jim would come and go, but even he couldn't seem to deny there was something different about him. Recently the fans have unearthed a Peter interveiw online that discusses Freddie's final months. I'll summarize: "Freddie would hold onto Jim's arm or waist and just look at him, not saying a word. At first we didn't know what to make of this. Was something wrong? Freddie was sleeping alot by then and we thought it strange that he wasn't speaking. Just staring at Jim in silence and held onto him. We figured out that it meant he wanted a kiss or a hug from Jim. Once Jim gave him that, he would turn around and go back to sleep." To me, that says he found comfort in Jim, not necessarily guilt. Could there have been other Jims (good guys Freddie felt were 'the one')? Possibly. I always say his diagnosis forced Freddie to sit down. Stop running around trying to "fuck half the wold" as freddie once said. It forced him to give a man a fighting chance and have a real relationship without cheating, hangups or insecurities. He never seemed to stay with men without cheating etc long enough to experience a "normal" relationship. He was happy with Jim before the diagnosis but after it, that relationship was tested time and again and I think Jim may have just been the right fit. I'm sure Freddie suspected he gave Jim HIV as evident in Freddie's reaction in 1990 when Jim got his diagnosis and that had to carry a level of guilt, but there's a definite difference between Freddie's guilt driven relationships carrying on vs the relationships he chose to keep on his own. Another example of that being Peter Freestone. Freddie held no guilt toward Phoebe that was ever picked up on and when Peter tried to leave, Freddie wouldn't hear of it. "I still need you. Stay." Phoebe was a part of the family and Freddie wished to keep him around not because he had promised to in earlier years (he hadn't, either) but because Phoebe had proved himself over time and Freddie trusted and loved him. I tend to go by Freddie's own written and recorded words when discussing Jim. It certainly isn't cut and dry, but Freddie took comfort in Jim's presence at the end of his life, and gushed about their relationship too many times for me to believe it was a majority guilt driven relationship. There I go ranting again LMAO I need to stop |
doughnut 05.04.2019 17:11 |
Villiers I love your rants.... you are so good with words and explaining situations. |
mika251 05.04.2019 17:17 |
Villiers2 Thank you again. I have read and listened to everything you mentioned and I agree that there was definitely a big love around 1987. I was rather thinking about the last two years, there is obviously no spoken or written word by Freddie from that time so we can only relate to other sources. But I get your point and I decided to believe you :) There is one moment in Jim's book I don't remember which year it was but Freddie wanted him to leave and then he changed his mind. Is there any more information regarding this? That is the point when I got the impression Freddie didn't care about Jim so miuch and was rather used to his presence in the house but not emotionally involved anymore. |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 17:25 |
I believe one of the attractions for someone like Freddie, with worldwide fame, is when they encounter someone who treats them as just another normal person it's refreshing. I've heard stories about different celeb types, including Freddie of course. There's a respect for people who aren't all in awe of them or their fame. Here's a real life example: a coworker of a boyfriend (many decades ago in the '80s) was on a flight to or from L.A. She may have ended up in first class. Anyway, gent sits down in the other seat and they eventually get to talking. At some point he makes a reference to his identity and says his name. The old, "don't you know who I am?" No reaction, she's never heard of him. He says what TV series he's on. Um, okay, don't watch it, but good for you. No reaction from her then either, he's just a dude on the plane. He was *intrigued*. He asked her for her phone number before they departed the plane. I think she gave it to him but again, no big deal. I don't think he ever called her, but she wasn't expecting him to. The guy was Richard Dean Anderson, star of "MacGyver." I was laughing when she told us this story. She really had no idea and just shrugged her shoulders and was neither impressed nor intimidated. |
mika251 05.04.2019 17:27 |
Yes and your rants kind of forced join this thread, so thank you again. Finally there is someone to answer my questions. (Not only you but all the other people here.) So please don't stop! Thank you very much! |
doughnut 05.04.2019 17:41 |
NeverToo Late that is a great story. Thank you :) |
thundergod 05.04.2019 17:45 |
NeverTooLate- Let me refer you to Chapter (Vignette) One of "Freddie Mercury in New York - Don't Stop Us Now!" "A Chance Meeting"...sorry for the tease. |
Invisible Woman 05.04.2019 17:46 |
mika251- English is foreign language to me but participating in threads on Queenzone forum is good practice. :) About Jim, I think he was good person. I think Freddie and Jim really loved each other until the end. Maybe Freddie was afraid that Jim had HIV or AIDS, but I don't think that he was with him because of guilty. In fact, I think he loved him too much. He decided to stop with his medication shortly after learning that Jim was infected. That says a lot. It maybe was some kind of sacrifice for the man he loved. I remember part of Jim's book when they almost broke up. I think Freddie tried to release Jim, he maybe was think would be better to Jim without him because he knew the disease was progressing more and more. But he couldn't and asked Jim to stay. He could have to stay friend with Mary and Joe because he was not in love with them. But he was in love with Jim. That's different. With Jim he could be only as a partner and lover, with or without sex. [u] But, it's just my thoughts.[/u] |
thundergod 05.04.2019 17:49 |
I like your train of thought Invisible Woman and thank you for coming back to visit us here. I saw you rather vocal in that FreddieDearie blog. I was surprised you lasted as long as you did. |
mika251 05.04.2019 18:08 |
Invisible Woman yes indeed, it's a great place to practice :) I have to say one thing - I may have my doubts about their "true love" status but I can never thank Jim enough for staying until the end. Because he didn't have to and I believe that his life would be much easier in some ways when he would leave. Thank God he had guts to stay. Can't imagine Freddie would be with someone like Bill Raid at this stage of his life. |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 18:13 |
Yes, Freddie and Jim did fight and got into it bad enough one time that they didn't talk for a few days. Mary came over and after a conversation with her, someone from Garden Lodge told Jim Freddie wanted him to move out. When Jim went to pack, Freddie showed up and told him not to leave and he wanted him to stay. When asked who gave Freddie the idea to ask him to leave, Freddie asked him to drop the subject. I think it's pretty obvious who made that suggestion. Had Freddie not cared about him, he would have been cut out. Freddie was once close to Barbara and still cut her out at the end. Same with Peter Straker and many others. Considering Freddie couldn't walk and spent most of his time sleeping at the end of his life, I doubt he had time to write or record anything proving his love for Jim lol. So you sort of have to go by trusted sources. Peter Freestone has been quite possibly the single most trusted source on Freddie since his passing. You can pretty much take his word to the bank. :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 05.04.2019 18:19 |
Lol sorry I can't help but laugh.. Someone shows multiple examples of proof that Freddie considered Jim his true love...written letters, recorded audio, first hand sources... And people are still questioning and doubting how Freddie felt about Jim? How many times did the guy have to say it for people to believe it? He was dying and would physically hold on to the guy until he got a kiss from him on his deathbed but you're still not sure Freddie truly loved him at the end? Kind of stinks of homophobia I have to admit. Maybe I'm misreading something here.. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 18:24 |
Full agreement here, Dustin. Thank you for that! |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 18:24 |
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SM 05.04.2019 18:28 |
Excuse me villers2 I don't know how many letters from Mr.Mercury to Jim were posted here as you say but I know for a fact that Jim had at least 5 of those. Some on cards some on plain paper. All with different wording but saying something similar. 'I love you you make me so happy". The last one being from 1991 on a small sheet of notepad paper. I know because Jim held it up and said it was something he would always keep close to him. When I helped him move he made absolutely sure he knew they were at all times. Mr.Mercury absolutely loved Jim Hutton until the very end. Anyone who thinks differently does not know the truth. |
SM 05.04.2019 18:32 |
Excuse the typo. It should say Jim made absolutely sure he knew where they were at all times during the move. I still think this website is not on with it's inability to edit a comment Cheers |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 18:43 |
Wow! So even in his last days he was telling Jim what he meant to him. Thank you Shaun that's incredibly heartwarming. I'm glad he know my hero found true love and had it at the end of his life. Not everyone gets to have that. |
mika251 05.04.2019 18:53 |
I'm terribly sorry if my posts occur to be homophobic. I certainly didn't mean it. I'm apparently not very good in expressing my thoughts in English. Anyway, I want to apologize if my questions were inappropriate. I really believe that Freddie and Jim loved each other. The only thing I doubted was, how much love was between them in last year or two as there were some hints. That is all. I rather come to my silent status again. Thank you all for your great responses. |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 18:56 |
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CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 18:56 |
DUSTIN, Thankyou yes I think he loved him and it was a deep love.He finally settled down I think there is a point in everybodies life this needs to happen.It all goes back to the women thing and he didnt want no woman I'm sorry ladies .I think he was a very nice looking guy but I think that about alot of my gay guy friends but I'm not gonna try and say they arent in love when they are.People are speaking from one experience with one woman sweet Jesus .They are talking out of their ass no sense.Yes I believe they loved eachother.By the way I'm a woman pay no attention to my screen name. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 19:09 |
NeverTooLate...shhhhh, Don't remind people. We are hoping that everyone forgets what we have said in the past...LOL and it all becomes NEW again. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 19:13 |
Villers, That's terrible ma would try and cause that kind of trouble between them. It didnt really work out the way she wanted did it. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 19:14 |
NO MICA...YOU stay right here. You never have to apologize for your remarks you've made unless you happen to be a troll! I don't believe you are... By the way, you don't live under a bridge, right? |
thundergod 05.04.2019 19:16 |
Shaun, I always love it when you visit. YOU were there, you are nice, respectful and believable. We like you a hell of a lot my friend! |
mika251 05.04.2019 19:18 |
Thor.. Thank you I feel really terrible I caused such a mess here. But you all gave me all the answers I needed. I have really no doubts about their love anymore. Why should I live under the bridge? I don't understand :) |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 19:21 |
Mika, It was just a figure of speech your good no worries. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.04.2019 19:24 |
I honestly think that the reason some people have a hard time believing the love Freddie and Jim had is plain and simple: homophobia. They cannot conceive that two men can have such a beautiful passion and love for one another. It makes me sad. There are mounds of evidence from people who were actually there stating they did love each other yet the homophobes claim Jim was an abusive alcoholic, a gold digger, etc. It’s infuritating. |
thundergod 05.04.2019 19:24 |
HaHa Mika.... In Western Fairy Tales...trolls always lived under bridges. These days, trolls are just as annoying but live in Flats and Apartments...LOL If you still do not understand, Just remember this...you are a valuable participant here no matter where you live! |
NeverTooLate 05.04.2019 19:27 |
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mika251 05.04.2019 19:36 |
Oh I get it :) I really hope I'm not a troll :) I try to explain my POV once more because there is no molecule of homophobia in my thoughts. I would ask same question if Freddie was straight living with a woman. I think that Freddie was quite complicated regarding relationships. He mentioned several times that he is "not a good partner for anyone", his own sister claimed that he was not a family man. He never had a long stable relationship before. I never ever questioned Jim's love towards Freddie. The only thing I wasn't sure about was Freddie's love towards Jim in last year or two. villiers2, Thor, Dustin and Shaun gave me all the answers I craved for. And I'm very happy I was mistaken. Btw my favourite picture of Freddie is his smiling face when he is dancing with Jim at his birthday party in Munich. I wish I had somebody to smile at me like this. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 19:46 |
Hooligan, There have been many celebrities that have been gay noone blinks an eye and accepts it.Why wont they accept Freddie because I can tell them it was no choice it was a part of himself. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 05.04.2019 20:51 |
I think it's because the segment of rock fans can't accept a gay rock star. It's so stupid. |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 21:03 |
Prince, They thought he was bisexual for years and the two girls in his band wendy ad Lisa were gay .Prince died and it was no big deal and have you seen some of his music he definitely pushed some boundaries as far as not admitting he was attracted to both genders and I feel the same way I dont need to justify anything to anyone only to the one I married. |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 21:21 |
Hey Thor, just emailed you with some instructions on how to run a quick tech check on Instagram so see if your phone is compatible with the app and we can hear each other. Not sure if you're still with Lee, but whoever has the newer phone might have a better chance of the Instagram gods letting it run smoothly lol. We haven't even pinned down a date for the live yet and I'm already swamped with questions from them. I'd just like to know if Instagram will work before we set a date, so if it doesn't, I can find another way to chat with you guys and ask you their questions to get it on YouTube. Just whenever you get a chance. Thanks! |
Blenkolove 05.04.2019 23:14 |
Villiers, I enjoyed your live on Freddie's parents today. It's unfortunate instagram is giving you such difficulties....but I am relieved to know it wasn't me/my device not being able to hear a live after the actual Live went out. I also enjoy your non-topic lives, when I can catch them. ....... two questions come to mind that weren't addressed today but you may have answered in previous Lives that I have not been privy to........ Were Freddie and Kash born by Jer?? While Freddie and Kash look quite similar, neither look like their parents. And I'm pretty sure Kash's son Sam IS adopted....but he does resemble Kash and Freddie. Next question.....since Freddie had Mary as his beard throughout most his life, and he left her the bulk of his estate, called her his common-law-wife....why do you think he didn't Just marry her for not only a beard....but a complete cloak???? (I'm Sorry......as I know Mary-topics are so sensitive....but I would like to hear your logic on that question.....you have a way of putting closure to Freddie mysteries. Thank you for all you do for Us Freddie Lovers!!!! |
Villiers2 05.04.2019 23:35 |
Hey! I actually just found out why the parents live gave me that issue and I've adjusted it. But I also have about 8 people who are going to be recording the Thor and Lee live as it's happening so there's no chance of it being lost in space lol. Actually, maybe it's just me but Freddie looks very much like Jer in my opinion, mostly around the bottom of the nose and the mouth. Although I think he looks like a pretty even blend of both Jer and Bomi, to be honest. And Kash looks just like Freddie, so I'm going to assume they were both born to Jer. Also, I've never heard otherwise so I'm going to guess there lol. As for Mary, I think Freddie probably would have found it cruel. I say that because it's one thing to play a beard for the press and then go your separate ways with your real lover at the end of the night, but it's an entirely different thing to carry the title of wife home alone with you after the party. I think Freddie knew she loved him romantically even after their sexual relationship ended and asking her to pretend to be a proper wife would have hindered her ability (and possibly her desire) to date and move on with her life privately. I think it was more a service to her that he didn't marry her for the full beard cloak, if I'm being honest. Glad you enjoyed the live! Hope it wasn't too boring! |
CHEVYMAN 05.04.2019 23:50 |
Villers, I have really enjoyed you on utube you explain things so well I hope this meeting with Lee and Thor give people some insight and truth to some unanswered questions.Awesome job! |
Katydyd5 05.04.2019 23:55 |
Welcome Mika! You'll always find interesting discussions here. I actually think Freddie looked a lot like Bomi. Well, no, he didn't so much look like him as he had the same bone structure in his face as Bomi. Naturally I missed your Live on that topic Villiers so I hope it comes up on YouTube soon. |
Katydyd5 05.04.2019 23:58 |
Jo you are correct about ticket prices for WWRY!!! They are running right around $50. That's so much better! I hope anyone interested in going wasn't discouraged by the ticket prices we saw before. |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 00:06 |
I can't remember or find who first mentioned the photo of Freddie and Jim arm wrestling. But are you sure you aren't thinking of the photo where Freddie is laughing and holding on to Jim's upper arm, and Jim is raising a fist to him in a mocking manner? They are very close together, but they aren't arm wrestling. When that topic first came up I was thinking that was the picture being referred to, so I took a look. Definitely not arm wrestling. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 00:13 |
Katy, That definitely is a better price. |
rennsage 06.04.2019 00:53 |
Longtime lurker, brand new poster here. Be gentle, please. ;-) Villiers, You mentioned that you thought Freddie knew Mary still loved him romantically after their physical relationship ended. I’ve wondered about this a long time and think you’re right. In interviews with Mary, it’s made to seem as if she was happy he was honest with her about his sexuality, she was supportive of him because she wanted him to be happy, they remained just good friends and she was fine with that, etc. I’ve always had the feeling that Mary, in the back of her mind (and maybe not even consciously admitted to herself), hoped and believed that he would some day come back to her romantically, when he was done with “this other business” (as his mother may have called his behavior of dating men). Maybe she believed that as he got older and less “sexually charged” (as most of us do with age), that he would want to settle down with her, as he seemed to have so much trouble finding a stable romantic partner. I think this is why she seemed to feel more threatened by his relationship with Jim than with Freddie’s other, more volatile and transitory, relationships. This is just my gut feeling. But it may also explain, Thor, why she was standoffish with his gay friends. Almost like she felt like they were working against her ultimate goal and keeping Freddie on the wrong side of the fence, so to speak. I’m not saying she necessarily thought this all out coldly and consciously, but that it was a feeling she had deep down. I do feel bad for her, in that sense, because I do think she continued to love him romantically and it held her back in a lot of ways. It does seem like she never really attempted to move on in her romantic life in any kind of sustained way until Freddie was diagnosed and it was then clear to her that what she may have subconsciously hoped for would never happen. She had her first child when she was nearly 40 and seemed to try to build a separate life, though obviously that didn’t completely work out, as her relationships fell apart and she still lives in Freddie’s house. I don’t want to get into the pro- or anti- Mary debate, but I do find the whole saga a little sad, especially for her. I would actually love to someday read a completely honest book by her, as I would find her insights fascinating, but I don’t think that will ever happen. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 01:10 |
I'm not villers lurker but I dont feel a bit sorry for her she was a bitch.She wasnt in love she said it took her 3 years to fall in love with him that's about the time he got famous.She was a manipulator made him feel like shit.He probably was glad to leave town and get away a while she was like a leech.He didnt have sex with her for 2 years she said. That would be a red flag to me and I'm sorry she knew before he even told her he was struggling with his sexuality.She did everything she did for him because that was her way of keeping tabs on him .That's her problem everybody feels sorry for her. |
emdee0809 06.04.2019 01:19 |
Katydyd5 - The royal recipe book looks really interesting and I would love to get a copy, but after looking at the website, I have no idea how much it costs or how to pay for it. (Doesn't look like the normal VISA, MasterCard payment) Villiers - do notifications get sent out when you go live? Since I joined your account-I got one notification, but noticed you had another live today and wasn't notified. Is that something on my end I need to fix? Jim, Joe, Peter, and Mary were with Freddie until the bitter end. Anyone that has watched and been with a loved one when they are coming to terms with the end their life suffer as well. Hopefully, Freddie left this world knowing he was loved by those who truly loved him. |
Villiers2 06.04.2019 01:26 |
Totally! Yeah I get that feeling too, for sure. And you know, Mary was far from perfect (far...far lol) but I did love that she seemed to be one of the very few at the time of his coming out that really understood he was gay. It seems later on in life she hoped he was bisexual or something, but I think even then she knew what was up. I think it's just hard to watch someone you've known for years as one thing, live their lives as something completely different. And it's even harder if they find real joy and happiness living that different life without you. It can make someone with deep insecurities feel some sort of way. I have a gut feeling that may be why she held a sort of possessiveness over him throughout the years. That's part of the reason I almost wish Freddie had just cut it off with her in the 70s and not stayed in contact. Looking at Mary, its obvious she still loved him 'that way' and he just couldn't go with a woman anymore. So perhaps it would've saved her more heartache had he just made a clean break. It's hard to move on with your life when the person you love is also your boss, in contact with you, and right down the street. I'm sure that's why she was ok with Jim up until Freddie was diagnosed and Jim didn't leave. She must've seen him date a hundred men and none stayed. She may have taken some comfort in thinking he used men for sex and 'couldnt seem to find true happiness with a guy'. So when Jim stayed and she saw him become something to Freddie she never could...yikes. |
emdee0809 06.04.2019 01:28 |
Chevyman - couldn't have said it better - it's amazing how much my opinion has changed since I've joined this forum. I have been hot and cold with this topic, but when Thor mentioned his bad vibes, that was enough for me. |
Villiers2 06.04.2019 01:28 |
Hi Em! Yes, I've recently been told that to fix that, you would need to go to my page, click "notifications" and change it from "some" to "all" and that should do it! |
rennsage 06.04.2019 01:34 |
Thanks for the reply, Villiers! I was hesitant to start another Mary war but I find her story interesting and somewhat sad, just on a personal level. I know some people find her and some of her actions "bitchy" but, if so, I'd like to find the reason behind the supposed "bitchiness" and I don't think it's just that she's an inherently horrible person. |
Freddienotfreddy 06.04.2019 01:44 |
In Peter's second book he goes into this. Peter seems to think Mary did stay around so that when Freddie was done "with all that other business", she would be the first in line when Freddie was ready to settle down, get married, have children. Mary didn't really care much when Freddie was living in New York or Munich because there weren't any women around. Peter says that when Freddie became friends with Barbara Valentin, Mary seemed to feel threatened and became demanding, though he didn't explain in what way Mary became demanding. Funnily, Peter also says Barbara wasn't that same bawdy, fun loving person that she normally was when she was in Mary's presence. |
emdee0809 06.04.2019 01:56 |
Villiers -Got it - Thanks!! |
Blenkolove 06.04.2019 01:57 |
Villiers, I feel you are right. Freddie keeping Mary around and involved in his affairs seems just as cruel to me as if he had married her. Imho She has her son's but never seemed to be able to bond to anyone else emotionally after Freddie. Sad |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 01:58 |
Emdee, you can use a credit card to pay for the cookbook, and as I recall, it wasn't expensive at all. The site will convert to dollars so you can see what you are doing. |
thundergod 06.04.2019 02:10 |
OK, Now I am confused. Katydyd is Freddie by chance wearing a blue Gold's Gym tank top (singlet)? If so, than it IS Lee's picture. I will have to ask him about that. |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 02:15 |
Thor, no, it's a navy blue tank top. You know I can't figure out how to post pictures here, but I'll send it to you. I don't think it is Lee's picture. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 02:16 |
Emdee, I really think she thought he might change his mind but I think it would've been easier if he let her go all together.It made her mentally sick and unwell I think .You know he dated a girl in college and she broke things off because she new he was struggling then and new it wouldnt work out.What Mary did is unhealthy and unnatural.She was very clingy type woman.Even if he weren't a gay man I think he would've eventually left her for someone else because he seemed to have a high sex drive so that in itself might have caused problems plus jealousy on her part. |
thundergod 06.04.2019 02:23 |
Yes Katydyd, The one I am looking at has Freddie in a blue tank top with red trim...but does it say GOLD'S GYM on the shirt? |
Villiers2 06.04.2019 02:25 |
I think this might be the Jim photontheyre referring to, Thor. This was in Jim's book I think from 94? |
NeverTooLate 06.04.2019 02:36 |
The Gold's Gym lettering is mostly cut off, but that appears to be the tank he's wearing in the picture. |
Villiers2 06.04.2019 02:41 |
Oop, sorry I didnt mean to answer for Katy re the photo. But the uncropped pic has the gold's gym printed in yellow. Does Lee have a pic of them actually arm wrestling or did Jim have a copy of Lee's pic? |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 02:47 |
Yes Villiers, thanks for posting that picture. That's the one I think people might have been referring to. I haven't seen an uncropped version so I don't know if it says Gold's Gym. When the subject first came up, that picture popped into my mind, and it wasn't until today that I actually Googled and remembered that they weren't arm wrestling. I'll have to figure out how to post links to pictures. It's ridiculous that I can't . |
thundergod 06.04.2019 02:58 |
No Villier's, that IS the exact picture that I thought Lee took. I will clarify this with him soon. |
thundergod 06.04.2019 03:03 |
If someone else took that picture, we will not be able to use it in our book. |
thundergod 06.04.2019 03:04 |
Sorry for thinking it was arm wrestling...it certainly is NOT! |
Villiers2 06.04.2019 03:17 |
Oh, shoot. I guess you guys must have all been hanging out around that time then? For both Jim and Lee to have copies, I'm assuming. From what you mentioned in a few other stories though, you still have plenty of unseen photos to use! |
thundergod 06.04.2019 03:32 |
Correct Villiers |
doughnut 06.04.2019 06:56 |
Thor I'm sorry about the photo , how annoying . Rennsage you make a,very valid point . I feel she was holding into Freddie on those years hoping things would change. Shaun. I can tell how much love you have for jim , it's heartwarming to know he had good people around in an awful time. I don't think homophobic comes into any questions on this thread . I just feel that there is so much of the ,,' Mary was the love of his life , that people believe that and have a hard time accepting jim and Freddie . It infuriates me as it's so disrespectful to Jim. |
doughnut 06.04.2019 07:02 |
Cheyman you go girl, no holding you back lol. You make me chuckle |
Freddienotfreddy 06.04.2019 07:16 |
That Gold's Gym top was a favorite of theirs. There is another picture of Freddie wearing it and he even performed in it once. There are also pictures of Jim wearing the same shirt. |
doughnut 06.04.2019 07:37 |
Freddienotfreddy I noticed they shared clothes , cute. Also Jim said somewhere that Freddie liked to dress him sometimes , hence Jim in floral shirts |
Invisible Woman 06.04.2019 08:46 |
Of all their pictures which circulate on Internet my favorites are these: |
doughnut 06.04.2019 08:49 |
Invisible woman. My favs too along with the arm wrestle that isn't an arm wrestle photo. I don't know why I thought they were arm wresting lol |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 11:09 |
Invisible Woman, that picture you posted of Freddie and Jim in the plaid shirts is one of my very favorites. The body language is so loving. And I swear I'm going to figure out how to share pictures here. |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 11:21 |
Frustrated! I just tried to copy and paste a photo which is what I assume Invisible Woman did and that didn't work. Can someone give me a quick tutorial on how to provide a link for a photo here? PM me if you don't want to bore the rest. Thanks! |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 12:48 |
Thor, did you see the info on the WWRY tickets? It might have gotten buried in all the posts. I was very wrong on the ticket prices, they are VERY reasonable. I wouldn't want you to miss the show based on what I said. |
The Black Queen's Kid 06.04.2019 14:02 |
Katydyd5, I think the ticket price is dependent on city/venue. Ticket pricing for the show in Las Vegas is different than the San Jose price or the Boise ID price. You can spend $400 or $59, depending on the location (and seating section). |
The Black Queen's Kid 06.04.2019 14:07 |
I think we should all fly to Casper, Wyoming and see the show there. :0) |
doughnut 06.04.2019 14:11 |
Is like to know how to add photos her too |
doughnut 06.04.2019 14:13 |
Katy I love the fact that they both have almost identical shirts , so cute |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 14:34 |
I got my WWRY tickets for about $60 each. We are on the floor, row K, slightly right of center. Tickets went on sale yesterday so the center orchestra seats were mostly gone. |
Invisible Woman 06.04.2019 14:36 |
To upload a picture, do this: < IMG SRC = " link for the photo " > but without space, space only between IMG and SRC. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 15:56 |
Doughnut, I may be a little outspoken but there is one thing I have learned dont be afraid to be yourself.Im not one that really follows a pack I have always been different .Dare to be different ha ha. |
Katydyd5 06.04.2019 16:43 |
Hmmm...……….Invisible, I tried but was unsuccessful. Thanks for trying though. I almost never want to post a picture, but was curious in case I wanted to. |
emdee0809 06.04.2019 17:00 |
Before signing off last night I was enjoying the discussion about Jim and Freddie. I decided to listen to Villiers YouTube post about Jim. When I switched to YouTube, “videos that might interest you’ appeared. One was titled “the channeling of Jim Hutton and Freddie Mercury “ Yes- my curiosity got to me -listened for a few minutes- amazing what you find. Decided to stick with Villiers and the living sources (Peter, Shaun, Thor, and Lee )to form my opinions as well as the late Jim Hutton . Although I am a newbie with Freddie information- I think I have read enough to know he wouldn’t channel with just anyone:) Also, thanks Shaun for your first hand knowledge . |
doughnut 06.04.2019 17:10 |
Thor / Lee forgive me if it's too personal but I wondered if you have anyone special in your lives or is there anyone you like ? |
doughnut 06.04.2019 17:17 |
Emcee there is a lady from the UK called Rose (think that's her name ) who wrote a book because she claims Freddie came to her after he died. She claims she didn't know of queen and Freddie before but he speaks to her daily. She said he gave her a message for Peter freestone and so she tracked him down and they became friends. She wouldn't say what the message was exactly, just that it was about a disagreement they had before Freddie passed. She says she also went to garden lodge on the anniversary of Freddie passing and she spoke with Jim who was there . All very odd |
Invisible Woman 06.04.2019 17:46 |
Katydyd5 wrote: Hmmm...……….Invisible, I tried but was unsuccessful. Thanks for trying though. I almost never want to post a picture, but was curious in case I wanted to.With this code I can put a photo in threads. Maybe link for the photo doesn't right. I don't know. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 17:49 |
Doughnut, What seriously so she speaks to the dead is that what your saying? |
doughnut 06.04.2019 18:00 |
chevyman ...yes it is called The Mercury Man - Freddie Mercury in my life. It's by Mary Hewis (not rose) Look it up but yes she claims Freddie's spirit talks to her. I am kind of annoyed that Freddie didn't pick me to talk too lol |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 18:04 |
Emdee, A good source to stick with all others were in it for money and would lie especially Leslie Ann Jones that heifer.Her and Barbara should've went on their own comedy show because that's all it was.I cant believe Barbara would tell those tall tales.He was guilty of trusting the wrong people those being Scary Mary,Barbara Valentin ,Peter Straker,Manager Paul Prenter,and I hate to say maybe the ones closest to him buisness wise and yes I'm talking about you Brian May cause I know you been looking at all this social stuff or I shall say others stalk for you .I hope you enjoy this thread we have so much fun hear. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 18:12 |
Doughnut, I'm Indian we dont like those people they freak us out .We are also scared of owls that's bad energy.I know this old Indian chic that could come in and smoke Peter's house to get rid of her negative spirits that's scary stuff. |
doughnut 06.04.2019 18:43 |
chevyman tell me more about your indian roots ? |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 19:12 |
Doughnut, I live in Oklahoma which is a a primarily Cherokee , Creek, and Seminole territory for Indians.If you are non white your ancestors register on an Indian roll and every Indian family member is on that roll with a number and a degree of Indian blood.My father was nearly full blood Cherokee and my mother was Irish so I'm right under one half Cherokee Indian and half irish.So my hair looks like an Indian texture but alot of red from my mother.And yes I get my temper from the Irish side. |
doughnut 06.04.2019 19:30 |
The US is so vast and interesting. What is the bible belt as I understand this is the part of the US which did not like the video for IWTBF ...this is not me saying this but what Peter said in his book. I don't want to offend anyone . |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 19:50 |
Doughnut, Oklahoma is the bible bell state growing up was so hard for me my grandparents were religious there are churches on every corner I'm what you call well I didnt have a sexual preference at first I thought I liked females then I decided I liked boys and finally ended up I like it all.I dont believe in labeling a person they are who they are meant to be.So I pretty much dated a girl on and off from 14 till 17 I ended up marrying a guy who was our best friend it hurt her very badly.She didnt understand the war I had going on in my head and I couldnt tell anyone they would've locked me up.So yes Oklahoma is a rough place if you are what society considers different. |
Villiers2 06.04.2019 20:01 |
Was this in the past, or current ways in Oklahoma? I went from age 16 to 29 thinking I was bisexual before I realized (or accepted) that I was actually gay. I live in Texas and literally nobody cares lol. Even the churches I've come across out here are pretty tolerant. I hold my partner's hand and show a certain amount of PDA out here and nobody takes a second look. My family had more of a reaction than strangers do. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 20:05 |
When I went to school in 1992.And through the late 80s.Oklahoma still is set in there ways on alot of things though it's a small state. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 20:17 |
Villers, My family would have flipped.In my culture it's important for a Indian woman to have a son and vice versa to carry on the family name do you think maybe Freddie felt those pressures as well. |
Villiers2 06.04.2019 20:31 |
Ha, can you imagine the pressure Being a gay male and the end of a family name? I heard he didn't have male cousins on his father's side (no clue if that's true btw) but he dropped the Bulsara name anyway, so I can't picture his parents being thrilled lol. Poor guy |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 20:35 |
Makes me sad |
doughnut 06.04.2019 20:41 |
ok so the bible belt is made up of lots of deeply religous people. That makes since why the video wouldn't have been well received. again I have no problem with anyone of deep religous beliefs but for me its a no no |
koala 06.04.2019 21:13 |
Hi again everyone. I’d just like to say that despite failing miserably at being an active participant in this thread, I’m still reading it and appreciate all the insights you lovely people provide on a regular basis (though it’s sometimes hard to keep track of all the conversations going on at the same time). I’ve been thinking about something lately, and want to share before I (probably) return to my lurking ways. I remember being about 11 and obsessing over not only Queen’s music, but Freddie in particular. I don’t know what drew me to him on such a personal level, but I was completely in awe. I read everything about him I could find and watched every interview I could get my hands on (I don’t even know where I got them, since youtube didn’t exist yet) - in fact, watching his interviews played a big part in helping me learn English. That, and chatting to people on Queenzone. I’d also watch the Live at Wembley vhs tape every morning before school (I got the tape from a man in his 60s whom I met online and then met up with in an alley for the exchange. Nothing bad happened, but boy does it give me the creeps now). But most of all I remember feeling an intense sense of loss and the many nights I spent crying over Freddie’s passing, which at the time seemed like a lifetime ago. I’ve never mourned for someone so hard before or after, including the relatives that have passed since then. I don’t quite know how to feel about this, but it is the truth. Time went by and I eventually moved on, only to find my fascination and affection for him return in full swing a few years ago. It seems that he has left a permanent mark on me despite dying the same year I was born. It’s amazing that all these years later people of all generations and from all over the world, each with their own unique personal story and connection to Freddie, have crossed paths on this forum and are able to share their experiences thanks to this particular moment in history that we live in. Not only fans, but people who knew Freddie personally, are communicating on an equal footing, brought together by the great man 27 years after his death. This would absolutely blow my 11-year-old mind and it’s blowing my mind now. It’s difficult for me to put what I’m feeling into words as eloquently as I would like to, and I must admit it sounds quite banal now that I’ve written it down. Still, I hope I’ve been making at least some sense, and that it will help remind us to appreciate how special what we have here really is. |
Blenkolove 06.04.2019 21:23 |
Brava....Koala!! Very well put!!!!!! I could add so much to what you wrote......about how Freddie has been with me since I first heard him in early 70's!!!!! I will post more later....but I'm nursing my two sick grandbabies at the moment and they want ALL of my attention!! But I feel your post so deeply......and soo similarly!!! Keep posting Koala!! |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 21:27 |
Doughnut, now do you understand why things were so hard for me I just felt comfortable enough to share that with you and I usually dont.So I know what Freddie might have felt . |
emdee0809 06.04.2019 21:27 |
The most enjoyable part of this forum is hearing everyone ‘s stories. They are all so unique. It really is incredible how one person can connect so many different people from all walks of life. Well said koala! |
Rainbow61 06.04.2019 21:34 |
koala...beautifully put. Thanks for so eloquently describing how many on this site feel. |
Rainbow61 06.04.2019 21:50 |
I really like Brian May. I am impressed that his talents go far beyond music...that he follows his passions with stereo photography and astronomy. I don’t think he does any of this for the money (books, movie, Queen + tours). I’m not his accountant….but I am fairly certain he would qualify as “rich” and does not need to work. I especially admire that he works tirelessly on behalf of animal rights in England and that he is also concerned about the current state of politics and is willing to speak up about it. Many people have causes that matter to them, but they just pay lip service…he actually does something about those causes. Bravo! Comparing Brian May and Paul Prenter in terms of trustworthiness…sorry, but I couldn’t disagree more. |
Dustin Zimmerman 06.04.2019 22:31 |
Oh I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on this one but holy moly is that not the case lol |
Charlies boy 06.04.2019 22:35 |
Where did that even come from? Comparing Brian and Paul. Did I miss something here? |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 22:38 |
I think it's a healthy balance to agree to disagree at times how else would these sites work if everyone agreed right.What I meant by my text was a person can be filthy rich and always want more.Its not always about money it can be fueled by jealousy ,anger, or just because a person is a person is a asswhole.Do I know the reason no unfortunately I just call it as I see it .I may not get a popular vote but at least I'm not boring right.John Deacon was a smart man no Brian he wasnt fragile he just didnt want to join the circus but if you need a bearded lady I know were you can get one not really .A five o'clock shadow for sure lol. |
Charlies boy 06.04.2019 22:40 |
Chevyman trust me you are far from being alone in that thought. Jealousy and greed plays a major role in this situation. It's blatantly clear. |
Dustin Zimmerman 06.04.2019 22:42 |
Lol I'm a Brian fan but no you're absolutely not alone. It's obvious. That's all I plan to say on it. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 22:45 |
Charles, I wasnt comparing Brian to Paul I was listing people that weren't who he thought they were in my opinion .Token completely out of context.But that's okay I have never been afraid to voice my opinion and my opinion doesnt make something a fact.It remains my opinion that's all. |
Saint Jiub 06.04.2019 23:42 |
Brian may have stabbed Freddie in the back with the Bo Rhap movie, but Brian is no Prenter. |
CHEVYMAN 06.04.2019 23:46 |
Saint never he was so you can relay that message if you like.Or better yet let him join us please this is a Queen forum. |
Blenkolove 07.04.2019 00:02 |
Do we know if Jim liked Brian???? |
Katydyd5 07.04.2019 00:07 |
Koala, your post was lovely. Thanks for sharing and please do come around when you can. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 00:16 |
Koala, yes please stop by more often have missed seeing your name pop up.You always have the nicest things to say . |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 00:45 |
Blenko, I think they got along fine I have never heard they didnt.Jim was easy to like I think. |
Charlies boy 07.04.2019 01:11 |
Does anyone who hates Prenter here even have a reason to? Outside of selling that story and holding a party at Freddie's flat? Some fans act like Paul was the devil himself and when you ask them why they hate him they list stuff the man didn't even do. "He spiked Freddie's drink." No. People assumed he did. Literally nobody claimed to have seen it. They all just said Paul was there. They also said Freddie had over 300 people at that party and to quote Jim "There's no way Freddie knew all those people". So what did he do that was so god awful exactly? Maybe I missed something. |
Katydyd5 07.04.2019 01:34 |
I really like Brian, and admire so much of what he's done with his life. I think he's one of those people who walks the talk, something I aspire to but am not always successful at. I really don't want to say anymore on the topic. While we've always had small disagreements on this thread, I think it has taken a sad turn towards negativity, and that's not an atmosphere I care to foster. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 07:47 |
koala such a lovely, heartwarming post. I can very much relate to what you have said. Thank you for sharing your story with us. Chevyman...thank you for being brave and sharing your story, it must have been awful for you. Charlies boy I prefer to keep out of the Paul Prenter issue but I'm making comment as it was me that mentioned Freddie turning blind by something he had been given. To claify I wasn't there so have no idea if it is true other than I watched a Freddie documentary in which Reinhold Mack spoke of the party and said that just before Freddies cake came out , Freddie had come to him to say that Paul had gvien him something which caused blindness. If you watch clips of the party you can see that Paul is holding him as he is unsteady. I tend to belive this as Jim mentions Freddie becoming distressed in his book. He said that Joe F had come to find him to help calm Freddie. I'm going to end this post with one of the things that I love about Freddie which is how expressive he was in interviews with his hands. Peter said this is one of the reasons he took up smoking; to keep his hands occupied but I love it as it shows passion in what he is saying. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 07:49 |
forgot to say that I imagine that Jim and Brian got along fine. When Jim passed away, Brain wrote some lovely words about him on his website. |
Katydyd5 07.04.2019 11:46 |
Doughnut, I am fascinated by Freddie's expressive hands. They were rarely still in interviews. I also enjoy any video I can find where he is playing the piano. He was a master! I too saw Brian's expression of sympathy when Jim died and it was lovely. |
The Black Queen's Kid 07.04.2019 13:40 |
I'm in the John Deacon camp with regards to the band. Without Freddie there is no Queen. That may not be a popular opinion, but it's how I feel. Going back a bit the discussion of "beards"...In the late 70's I was a beard for a few of my gay friends. It made dealing with family and social functions easier for them during a time when being out was just not accepted in some parts of the country. They were (and still are) very dear to me and I never resented playing that role. It was a bit awkward holding my tongue when a kindly grandmother would ask if we had plans for a wedding and children. I'm glad that times have changed enough that they can be who they are publicly and privately. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 15:41 |
Katy I could watch Freddie talk all day, there was just something about him. The Black Quuens Kid ... I totally understand you, if I am honest I don't think I could watch queen with Adam but that isn't because I dislike Adam, its just that Queen for me is Freddie and the guys. However, the film has brought lots of new young fans who will enjoy the concerts with Adam. It gives them a chance to see Roger and Brian and listen to their music. I too am glad times have changed in many parts of the world .. However, there has been a story in the news in the UK which is very disturbing. In Brunei homosexuality is now punishable by being stoned to death. Awful and disgusting . |
doughnut 07.04.2019 15:44 |
katy .... Brian also promoted Jim's book on his webpage when it was released onto Kindle in 2013. I feel that Brian felt Jim was a very good influence on Freddie. |
Charlies boy 07.04.2019 18:26 |
Brian pretty famously said he never read Jim's book and wouldn't read it because he did not back books on Freddie's perosnal life. Where did you hear that he promoted it? He liked Jim for sure but.. |
Rainbow61 07.04.2019 18:26 |
Katydyd5 and doughnut… Yes, Freddie has such expressive hands. During concert videos, I find myself watching his hands while playing the piano and especially when he is holding a microphone. Many performers now seem to favor the hands-free headset kind of microphone...I just cannot picture Freddie ever having made that change. I ALWAYS enjoy Freddie’s interviews...that wonderful speaking voice and those beautiful eyes...a captivating combination to be sure. Freddie could have been interviewed about the bathroom sinks in the various hotels he stayed at and he still would have been interesting. Few people have that magic...Freddie had it in spades! (There are a couple of interviews where Freddie rolls his eyes at some question or comment he doesn’t care for…those interviews always crack me up!) |
SM 07.04.2019 18:33 |
Sorry but I'm not sure that is true Doe...Jim was a great bloke and did stay in contact with Brian but he was a little hurt that Brian didn't want to read his book. I don't see why he would promote a book he refused to read. Are you sure it wasn't his facebook page that is run by a trusted fan? I recall his Facebook page once mentioning Lesley Ann Jones and I think we all know he doesn't support that. One of those "On this day 12 years ago this book was released". I don't remember seeing that page ever mention Jim's book but it has said things about his passing. |
St Pepper 07.04.2019 18:43 |
Met Brian out in LA at book soup during his Queen in 3D book tour. That was about 2 years ago-ish. Naturally felt compelled to ask about the movie and asked if anything was going to be based off of Jim's book and he replied "Never read it, mate. We won't be using it." No way Brian himself ever backed it up. Jim also said something about Jim Beach being really annoyed that he wrote it. Jim was pretty open at the conventions on England about it. He essentially got closed out of what they call "the queen family" for writing that book. Queen Productions was pissed. Anything gay seems to piss them off. I hear they weren't thrilled with Freestone's book either. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 18:59 |
I saw it on Brian may's soapbox webpage. To be fair Brian must have changed his opinion over the years regarding his private life; hence the recent film. The reason I found it is because I found a recent interview with Tim Wapshot and he said that Brian had promoted the kindle release. That's when I did some research to find it. I know that his fb page is fun on his behalf . I imagine queen /Jim beach was pissed. I feel.sure he wanted to promote the Freddie non gay wholesome image. I've seen photos of Brian with Lesley Ann Jones |
doughnut 07.04.2019 19:00 |
Rainbow I to could listen to Freddie talk about anything and the rolling eyes crack me up too |
St Pepper 07.04.2019 19:10 |
Lol yeah you've seen photos with Brian and Lesley. She went to his shows and book signings like everyone else. Hilarious that she tried to crop them and act like they were just hanging out. As if we weren't all at the same events. Got a link to the soapbox because he literally told me he didn't read the book. He also said it on multiple other occasions and sorry but there was nothing about that movie that included anything truthful about Mercurys persona life lol. So we really can't claim Brian changed his mind based on the film. In 2016 Brian posted on his soapbox that he tried to the John Blunt docudrama cancelled. Asked Jacky and she said he furious about the inaccuracies and that Lesley Jones was in it. They weren't pals. |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 19:18 |
I'm trying to find it now in his 2013 soapbox. Lol so far it's all reading like: Badgers, knee surgery, badgers, space stuff, someone covers queen songs, badgers, lions, space, fan made art, space stuff and badgers. |
koala 07.04.2019 19:32 |
Thanks for all the nice responses regarding my last post, guys. Sharing personal stories like that one is a bit out of my comfort zone, but I'm really glad I did it :) Regarding Jim Beach's (and apparently Brian's) displeasure over Jim's and Peter's books...it's the first time I've heard of it, but I'm not surprised. Queen is a huge business, and as with any company, the main goal of the people who manage it is for it to prosper and make as much money as possible. It would seem Beach's job is to protectand further the Queen brand, even at the expense of the truth or sensibilities of those who were close to Freddie. Maybe I’m just being cynical, but I don’t think so. |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 19:34 |
Went through all of his 2013 soapbox and didn't see it..? Although I did get a pretty good laugh out of all the things he posted about. "Badger flash mob" lol. It's a pretty well known fact that Brian doesn't read books on Freddie's perosnal life and didn't read Jim's but I do hope he picks up Thor and Lee's book. If nothing else I'm sure if Brian really cared about Freddie, he would be happy to see photos of Fred enjoying hismelf. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 19:35 |
I can't find it again now . I'll do some digging |
SM 07.04.2019 19:42 |
"Queen is a huge business, and as with any company, the main goal of the people who manage it is for it to prosper and make as much money as possible. It would seem Beach's job is to protectand further the Queen brand, even at the expense of the truth or sensibilities of those who were close to Freddie. Maybe I’m just being cynical, but I don’t think so." You are correct. Don't forget Mr.Beach made me sign a gag order during my contract for working in the garden lodge. But he also told me to continue lying after my contract expired. He told me what to say to the press if I was ever asked and he was not pleased when I told him I did not see the point of lying at that time. During my contract is one thing but after seemed ridiculous. He wanted little to no mention of anyone who was removed from the house. I heard him tell someone outside of the gate once that Ms.Austin had nursed Mr.Mercury at the end of his life and made no mention of any of the men who actually did that job. I fear it was because they were gay. Joe told me Mary did not nurse him at the end. All of the men of the garden lodge said the same. But that's what Mr.Beach wanted the press to see. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 19:55 |
Hello , Everybody you know how I feel I dont think queen productions wants this book published for sure it will totally discredit everything in the film .I think Brian is uncomfortable with Freddie being gay he preferred Freddie to be with Mary Austin Roger accepted him I think.This book will destroy any negative thing that film has brought forth .Mary Austin is sick mentally and she lives in a past that never could have existed.Brian considered her a dear friend well this movie didnt help her if she has viewed it.It has fed her illness.That among other things is why I dont like Brian May.He portrayed Freddie as a drug addict who strayed from his girlfriend and blamed others for leading him into a life that ended his life.Thats complete bullshit he was a big boy he did as he pleased.Brian portrayed himself and the others as Angel's with no issues .That's complete bullshit.I have no more to say because there is nothing he could do to make it right. |
Saint Jiub 07.04.2019 20:06 |
... That would explain Jacky Gunn's opposition and flaming of Villers ... |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 20:14 |
Thank goodness Freddie doesnt know how things turned out.I dont hate anyone including Brian but I'm sure disappointed in his behavior and his success and fame mean nothing without loyalty ,compassion,and empathy.By the way you know he said Freddie spent alot of time with girls while on tour in the 70s.Well noone but him confirms this.But Brian he was with the love of his life at that time you mean he was cheating with other women I'm not buying it. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 20:17 |
Saint, shoot me straight meaning explain yourself what about villers. |
Katydyd5 07.04.2019 20:21 |
You know, I'm going to have to speak up. If I was hearing this conversation in my real life, I would have spoken up long ago. I'm very uncomfortable with the discussion of various peoples' mental health conditions. I don't thank is a subject that should be thrown about so casually. In fact, I find it rather cruel. So many people suffer from mental health issues, but feel they have to hide them out of shame. Casually saying that someone has a mental health issue is very unkind in my opinion. Is there any way we can leave mental health out of discussions? And if you are wondering, no, I'm not dealing with any issues myself. There might have been times in my life when that could have been questioned----like by my ex husband, but I just feel this is too sensitive an issue for people to be saying anything about people they don't even know. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 20:22 |
On brian.may.com it's under the queen news tab on 25/11/13 |
doughnut 07.04.2019 20:28 |
Please there is no need to jump on me . As I said I came across an interview with Tim who said that Brian had promoted it on his page . I looked and found it . If it's not Brian's actual words so be it . |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 20:30 |
They were saying that's why Jacky doesn't like Villiers lol. Villiers has been trying to help promote Thor and Lee's book for a while and when she first did it in Jacky's group Jacky came in with some really negative comments about Thor and Lee saying they must be doing it for cash and that they were scamming the fans etc. Someone asked if they would be invited to the conventions, jacky said hell no and Villiers let her have it lmao. Villiers called her out on some the shady sh*t she's done over the years and told her she has no right to make assumptions about Thor and Lee and Villiers went right onto Jacky's hate list lol. I wish I still had the screen shots. LOL we talked about that exchange in other groups for weeks. Villiers really laid in on her LOL |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 20:31 |
Who jumped on you? People asked you a question and you gave them an answer lol. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 20:34 |
Doughnut, is it really thank you for the nice comment and support you gave me not too many people in my family have offered that to me.Some time when you have time tell me about your background where you come from and so on .I know you arent from the United States right. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 20:34 |
Dustin that's how it felt . Have a look at where I found it and let me know what you think |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 20:37 |
I see it now thanks. Looks like he quoted Jacky in it too. I know Jacky and Jim were cool. Thanks! |
koala 07.04.2019 20:39 |
Shaun, thank you for confirming my suspicions. I find the details you've provided both sad and infuriating. It's one thing to be concerned with good PR, but lying (and asking others to lie) about Mary taking care of Freddie in the end and discounting the sacrifices the three men made is just low and disgusting. Thanks for not succumbing to the pressures and telling the truth about what really happened. |
Saint Jiub 07.04.2019 20:41 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Saint, shoot me straight meaning explain yourself what about villers.I recall that Villers was promoting the upcoming book, and Gunn went ballistic. I see Dustin provided additional info ... Very sad QPL politics ... to control the narrative ... and make more money by painting a false story in the movie. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 20:44 |
When I mentioned the film, I mean that Brian was happy for that story to be told . That film version that portrayed him as lonely and fixated on mary. There was none of Freddie's laughter that we have heard Peter talk about or Thor and lee. He can't criticize jim for writing a book and then years later tell a shit version of Freddie life in a film. To me it seems like double standards. Katy no mental health shouldn't be brought into this . I have suffered with it and I know how tough it is . I'm fine now btw. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 20:47 |
Cheymen check you pm I'm not keen on jim beach at all and Shaun what you have said doesn't surprise me |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 20:48 |
Miss Katy I feel tension between us so I'm gonna smash it right now.First of all this thread is about opinions in my opinion Mary entertaining a thought of a relationship that was dead and like a fantasy is a illness.To this day that's what fuels her bitterness towards fans Jim in the past and many of his guy friends.It is not natural to cling to a hopeless relationship all of those years hoping for a return of that person you love that cant provide you with that same kind of conventional relationship.So in the future address me if you have something that is bothering you I will do the same hope we can still have positive conversation on this thread. |
koala 07.04.2019 20:51 |
CHEVYMAN, I tend to agree with you, though I do think Katydyd5 has a fair point about the mental health issue being unnecessary here. Dustin, thanks for clarifying what happened between Jacky and Villers. I had no idea Thor and Lee's book has been causing such drama. But one thing has become crystal clear: Villers is a total legend (as if there was any doubt about it before lol). |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 20:52 |
I don't believe anyone ever claimed he criticized Jim for writing the book. Multiple people here have said he didn't support the book but did like Jim very much. The reason he said he didn't read the book was because he didn't read anything about Freddie's personal life. But Brian is a massive hypocrite anyway so even if he had criticized him for it then cashed in with the film, that's absolutely no surprise. |
SM 07.04.2019 20:56 |
Chevyman I agree with you on that about Ms.Austin....I hope that doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers but that's definitely the feeling I got as well...even before getting to know Jim. Just watching them interact...you knew something was going on. |
Katydyd5 07.04.2019 20:56 |
Chevy, I stand by what I said. It's inappropriate. I dont' intend to debate this. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 20:58 |
Talking about Jacky and Jim , dustin, I read a book by one of the biographers who said Jacky said he was a nice guy but drunk a lot and a quote for jim Jenkins saying jim was talking about his sex life with Freddie in front of young children . Is this rubbish ? |
doughnut 07.04.2019 20:58 |
Talking about Jacky and Jim , dustin, I read a book by one of the biographers who said Jacky said he was a nice guy but drunk a lot and a quote for jim Jenkins saying jim was talking about his sex life with Freddie in front of young children . Is this rubbish ? |
SM 07.04.2019 21:05 |
Oh please. Jim had loads of nieces and nephews of his own. He would have never been inappropriate before a child. If he did say something about his own private life I doubt he realized a child was nearby. Can't believe how many people out there want to demonize or dumb down the chap! That's not aimed at you for asking the question but a general statement. I get why Mr.Joe got weary of talking to fans and press... |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 21:10 |
That would be EPICLY ironic if Jacky did say that about Jim's drinking as Jacky has gotten shitfaced so many times at queen conventions, some fans were afraid she had a drinking problem. Keep in mind Jim Jenkins also told a story about him being disappointed in Jim Hutton for having a negative response when one of Jenkins' friends decided to walk up to Hutton and twist his nipple. A fucking stranger walks up and grabs my nipple, they'd be lucky if they walked out of that room without a concussion. Why the f*ck would anyone expect a positive response from that? He claimed that was Jim's "bad side" lol. So take Jenkins and Smith with a grain of salt. |
doughnut 07.04.2019 21:12 |
Shaun I didn't think it would be true as it doesn't match with other reports of Jim 's character. It's a shame that this kind of thing is allowed as it can really darken a person's character. After reading Jim's book I have nothing but respect for him. I don't like Mary or Jim beach . I'm sure irreducible be shocked at how events have unfolded . I also have respect for jjoe too , he seemed a really good guy |
doughnut 07.04.2019 21:13 |
Of yrs Dustin the book I read mentions the nipple incident |
doughnut 07.04.2019 21:15 |
Bloody autotext |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 21:33 |
Koala,maybe I should've put it in a different manner such as as unhealthy attachment or unhealthy relationship that sounds better.Glad to have you back. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 21:38 |
Katy, Its good to stand by what you believe good for you.Because I dont back down easy it's a part of my nature.I didnt know your ex husband had those thoughts towards you very sorry about that but this is a place of discussion and you have to be ready to for debate in these kind of forums not arguements that's not my intention.No hard feelings. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 21:39 |
Katy, Its good to stand by what you believe good for you.Because I dont back down easy it's a part of my nature.I didnt know your ex husband had those thoughts towards you very sorry about that but this is a place of discussion and you have to be ready to for debate in these kind of forums not arguements that's not my intention.No hard feelings. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 21:42 |
Dustin, Didnt Jacky like Jim at one time I have seen a pic of her hugging him.She dont want to mess with villers she is kinda like me outspoken. |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.04.2019 21:48 |
Oh and Jacky still talks very positively about Jim. Never lets anyone knock him but she lost her head a little bit there passing judgment on Jim's drinking while ignoring her own lol. |
thundergod 07.04.2019 22:06 |
I see a fast moving, lively discussion here which is very good. Mostly everyone has kept the discussion in civil terms. Just a little advice. Firstly, this advice is definitely for ME, myself and I too. Let's try to keep moving forward as a group. By this, I don't mean everyone has to agree with each other but if we are careful enough regarding each other's feelings and maintain our common respect for one another, this thread will remain the outstanding forum it is. If ANY of us have rather personal disagreements with each other, why don't we use the very available Private Message option to express our opinions. No one likes to be pulled out into the public forum with bitter criticism. I don't and . perhaps you don't either. My respect to you all, Thor |
NeverTooLate 07.04.2019 22:08 |
For anyone interested in seeing a quick screen shot of JimH's book reissued and mentioned on Brian's website, here it is: link |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 22:14 |
Sm, yes It doesnt make me very popular but that relationship to me is unnatural I dated a girl all through school ended our relationship married someone else because I was going to have a child and we remained friends like sisters but she moved on .Mary's relations to Freddie didnt and it affected her relations with Jim and he was such a sweet heart.And the Brian issue well most think I'm An asswhole for saying what I did but I believe from observation that this film has been so damaging to Freddie's character he wasnt weak he was strong in the end he had true friends and I dont need to mention names you know who you are.And by the way these friends arent writing a book for money they are educated professional men they dont need money it's not about money Its about what's right. |
Charlies boy 07.04.2019 22:15 |
Lmao yes because the screen shot with the arrow and circled links were needed. How immature lol. |
Radioblabla 07.04.2019 22:18 |
Hello everyone, I've been lurking on this forum since a few months now, particularly on this thread. Queen Music has been part of my life since almost forever and Freddie has always been my hero. But I admit I didn't know anything about the man himself (except his music and the basics) and I wanted to learn more about him since the movie was released. And that's what I've been doing for the last few months. Anyway, I really enjoy reading you Thor, Lee and Shaun. I wanted to thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us. This is really appreciated. |
St Pepper 07.04.2019 22:19 |
@Charlie's boy I had to laugh too. This site sure has it's duds. Cringe. |
NeverTooLate 07.04.2019 22:22 |
Charlies boy wrote: Lmao yes because the screen shot with the arrow and circled links were needed. How immature lol.I circled the bits in blue that showed where it was posted within the website and an arrow in blue that showed the date for those who want to go to brianmay.com and find it for themselves on the actual website. It's a way of helping others visually locate that posting, especially because the screen shot has been reduced in size quite a bit. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 22:25 |
Charlie boy, I cant see that well what is that article about. |
NeverTooLate 07.04.2019 22:25 |
Don't know why the rudeness and rancor has been happening, but IMO it's unnecessary and unprovoked. I wish you all well. |
The Squirrelly One 07.04.2019 22:39 |
Hello guys. Let's keep the thread positive shall we? Let me clarify some things if I can. NeverTooLate just a quick heads up all posts from the Queen News tab on Brians site is not from Brian but Hannah. If she still helps run the site, I dont know. She posted for Bri for years. As someone who knows the good doctor personally I can confirm what others have said here in that Brian has not in fact read Jim's book BUT he did and does like Jim very much. This was confirmed as recent as the last few weeks. I can also assure you that Brian does not and never has supported Lesley Ann Jones. She has met Brian a few times at his book signings and public events but not as a friend or journalist. As a fellow fan. She once told me she interviewed Brian while at a public event in 1998. I was there. I asked Brian and he said he held no interviews and didn't recognize the name. That was one hour after she claimed to have interviewed him. He does not condone any of the lies she put in her book and was not happy when she joined forces with that Channel 5 mess. Because of this and the movie putting Queen back in the spotlight, Brian is weary of all new books on Freddie. He has notoriously been against books on Freddie's personal life regardless of who they were written by but he does seem to be on extra high alert now with the success of the movie. My hope is that he gives this book a fighting chance before he lumps it in with something like Lelsey Ann Jones. |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 22:49 |
Squirleyone, I hope so too!I see alot of pics and I cant tell you hardly any of those guys are I feel part of his life got cut out and it skipped to the end I think it will get published just like the other books.looking forward to it. |
The Squirrelly One 07.04.2019 22:52 |
Btw I hope everyone is doing well and hello out there to all the new faces! I think it's doing a disservice to Lee and Thor when we let our emotions or pride get the better of us and respond to each other in a negative way. It doesn't reflect well on us or their thread and they deserve better. Just my two cents. Take care everyone! |
NeverTooLate 07.04.2019 23:06 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: NeverTooLate just a quick heads up all posts from the Queen News tab on Brians site is not from Brian but Hannah. If she still helps run the site, I dont know. She posted for Bri for years.Good info, thanks! FYI, people earlier were saying they could not find where on BM's site the press release was, I found it and posted a SS of it. Outside of that I'm not a part of the discussion going on about who read what or didn't read or who is or isn't promoting or endorsing whatever. |
The Squirrelly One 07.04.2019 23:15 |
Yes I saw that so I wanted to clarify about who made the post if it was found under the Queen News tab ?? Hope all is well! |
The Squirrelly One 07.04.2019 23:15 |
Pardon the "??" I guess queenzone doesn't support emojis! |
CHEVYMAN 07.04.2019 23:16 |
Doughnut, I PM You about my group check your inbox. |
The Black Queen's Kid 07.04.2019 23:43 |
Dear The Squirrelly One, thank you for your insights. I love getting the info. What I would give to be in the presence of Freddie. To stand on the sidelines and witness his glory. The man was so far beyond this realm. Yes, he was mortal, but the universe holds him now. His spirit is with us as we discuss his life. Beauty and talent never die. |
Rainbow61 07.04.2019 23:56 |
I don’t personally know Mary, Brian, Roger, Jim B., Phoebe, or Jacky…I didn’t know Jim H., Joe, or Paul P. either. I have never spoken to nor communicated with any of them. In fact, I don’t even know people who know them... but I suspect it's that way with many of the fans who post here. I am simply someone who is fascinated by Freddie, the private man and the mega star, and as a result, I am interested in all the people who were in his orbit. There are several posters on this thread who have connections to those above mentioned people. I appreciate the info from those “in the know” as well as those on the outside who weigh in with their own perspectives. Although I do not agree with everything I read, I do like to hear multiple points of view. Thanks everyone! |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 00:01 |
Rainbow, good point . |
Katydyd5 08.04.2019 00:09 |
Hey Squirrely One! It's been a long time since we've seen you. Thanks for poking your head in again, and I hope you'll stop by more often. |
Rainbow61 08.04.2019 00:39 |
Could anyone clarify a few points regarding Freddie's schooling? When Freddie went away to St. Peter's boarding school, did he really make the long journey there by himself from Zanzibar or was he accompanied? In “Freddie Mercury: The Untold Story” they said it took 8 weeks before he arrived in Bombay, and they showed him traveling alone. I just can’t imagine an 8 year old safely traveling for 8 weeks by himself and navigating the transfers from a ship, to a taxi, to a train. Was there someone in India, maybe a relative, to help him with at least the Indian portion of his trip once he arrived? I always thought Freddie went from attending an elementary school in Zanzibar to boarding at St. Peter's, but I've also read/heard he attended school in Bombay before he went to St. Peter's. I realize Freddie would not have been able to travel home during holidays, that he spent time with his aunt, but did he at least go home during summer vacations? If not, that means Freddie sometimes went years without seeing his parents and sister. Did Freddie leave St. Peter's after his junior year (11th grade) and then finish his senior year in Zanzibar, or possibly Bombay…or did he not graduate high school in either of those places and that is why he needed to take courses at Isleworth Polytechnic when he got to London? Has anyone seen a copy of his high school or college diploma? Besides the documentaries I have watched on YouTube, I have not read any Freddie biographies except for Peter Freestone’s…and that only covers the years he was with Freddie. For some reason, the school years are very murky to me. Thanks again for any info. |
Dustin Zimmerman 08.04.2019 00:53 |
I watched Villiers live about Freddie's parents the other day and it answered all those questions actually. I think I remember her saying he definitely travelled alone and left school early. Villiers WHEN WILL IT BE ON YOUTUBE HUH lol |
SM 08.04.2019 01:01 |
Hello Dustin I made an account for Instagram.com just to listen to Villiers live talk and I did catch about 10 minutes of the parent chat. She is a pleasure to talk to here and very informed it seems. Does she usually put them on YouTube.com? I would like to listen to the rest. Not even Jim could say much about Mr.Mercury's school days. I get the feeling he was a man who looked forward and never back.. |
emdee0809 08.04.2019 01:44 |
Finding the discussion tonight rather intriguing about Jim Beach - Queen "family", and Jacky ( I had to Google her - sorry - still learning) Never even considered they would find a book that contained Freddie with his friends bad for the Queen brand. Is that the correct take away or am I missing something? I am impressed that Viiliers stood her ground. I would have liked to have been lurking on that conversation. |
emdee0809 08.04.2019 02:02 |
doughnut - I checked into the book The Mercury Man -by Mary Howis _ the reviews are brutal. But again - my curiosity may get the best of me. Someone in the reviews thought this was a book by Mary Austin - boy were they way off!! The whole channeling Freddie thing is bizarre. To think she has an entire book of communication from the dead is beyond me. |
shananana 08.04.2019 02:06 |
I just read all pages of this topic, and sad that the last 40 pages or so are just mary-bashing. That is extremely sad because everbody claims to be a Freddie fan yet they bash somebody Freddie loved. Even if she was his beard, she was someone he loved and trusted. SHE WAS ONLY PERSON HE TRUSTED WITH HIS ASH. Not any other person. Think about that. Freddie was gay, and Jim was good man. But so was Mary - to FREDDIE. That is only matter to make Freddie fans happy she was in his life. They love and trust each other. Don't bash Jim and DON'T bash Mary. Freddie very lucky to have TWO people who love him so much. Gay bashing and straight bashing are both bad. Please love Freddie for his music, his voice, his personality, his beauty. We don't have to care who he sleep with. Not OUR business. This site is no longer good to read. |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 02:14 |
Emdee,I'm gonna try and say this without losing my temper but Queen have been covering Freddie's sexuality more than he did for years that's why the film was portrayed with him flirting with female company most of the time they thought it would ruin queen I dont think It would've Freddie was such a powerful lead man that they could never replace him and they knew it.They are meaning queen production team are very pleased with themselves with that film and how the young audience today has received it.So little do they know our kids today could care less if Freddie was gay or straight we all could learn a lesson from this generation.They dont want the book out because it discredits his straight image projected in the film to fit what society thinks is appropriate for queens version of leave it to beaver.Thats all I can say about that .I sound like forest gump ha ha. |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 02:17 |
Emdee, That talking to the dead stuff freaks me out. |
Rainbow61 08.04.2019 02:28 |
Oops...thanks Dustin. I did not see Villiers latest live Q&A and did not realize this topic had been covered. I look forward to it being posted on YouTube. |
SM 08.04.2019 02:28 |
If you have a problem with someone who saw firsthand how Mary acted towards the people Mr.Mercury cared about maybe you need to reevaluate some things. What a hypocritical thing to say. You can't stand to see her get "bashed" but make no excuse for her acrions that bashed the people who took care of the man. Everyone who saw the inside of the garden lodge at the end of his life had the same things to say about her. Perhaps she just wasn't a very pleasant woman. That's nobody's fault but her own. Jim said Mr.Mercury had her swear not to tell anyone where his remains were when they broke up. Should anything happen to me this is what I want you to do. While getting so upset over an honest recount of Ms.Austin did you bother reading about her admitting to not taking care of ashes and leaving them at the crematorium for months? How about getting upset over something valid. Cheers. |
lsg 08.04.2019 02:32 |
Not all all dramatic. Very sincere, honest, a totally natural feelings. |
Katydyd5 08.04.2019 02:32 |
I'm looking forward to Villiers latest being posted on YouTube too. This is a subject I know little about and I'm always anxious to learn more. |
Dustin Zimmerman 08.04.2019 02:37 |
....so guilting him into taking care of her and doing what she wanted was her being "good" to him? You uh, sure about that? Are you sure her not nursing him at the end of his life but showing up to make sure the paperwork was in order was uh, in his best interests? Was being possessive over him and intolerant of his lovers really what was good for the guy? Whoops lol. Why did he keep Mary around if she was so negative? Remember that time he promised to Mary her and then turned out to be gay? Lol yeah guilt is a hell of a force. Remember that time Peter Freestome said Mary didn't know Freddie? About how he hid stuff from her because she wouldn't get it? Let's not all act like it was a healthy relationship or that she really cared about him in a truly selfless way. Anyone remember her saying at Freddie's funeral "I won in the end"? Hmm...yeah that's a totally normal thing for a loving bestie to say at your service lol |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 02:40 |
SM, That ashes thing gets me too I dont believe he told her not to tell his mother that was cruel she lost her son.She shoudve known that was selfish.I heard his sister doesnt care for her either if she doesnt cant blame her.She is mean to the fans let them write on garden lodge for years and 20 years later changes her mind .Bitter woman. |
Dustin Zimmerman 08.04.2019 02:41 |
Yeesh, excuse the typos but I was laughing the whole time lol |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 02:50 |
Mary wasnt who she claimed to be she stuck around for the payday .Yes she was his roommate in the beginning but I think he paid her back plenty over the years with a home a job .She stopped school at 15 he really helped her out noone in their right mind would've hired her as a bookkeeper with a 15 year old education.So they were even in my books.She had no right to call his friends what she did. |
lsg 08.04.2019 02:53 |
Katydyd5 wrote: Lsgp, I did listen to your link. I actually have that one in my files and consider it a gem. Even though it is only audio I can totally picture what was going on, and Freddie is having so much fun that it is infectious. Brian has often said it is hard to quote Freddie without the F bomb, and this audio supports that. Thanks also for explaining your first post about Mexico. Now I understand what you were saying. When it first appeared it was like, "What???????????". I hoped you'd come back and tell us where you were going with it.Hi Katydyd5!! I've been away for a little bit. Someone waaaay back in a previous thread was someone stated we were idolizing Freddie too much because he wasn't perfect. The person complained that Freddie would yell disrespecting comments to the audience like "F-Off" so forth and so on. I wrote him back but because I was a lurker and had never posted, when I finally did, instead of it responding to the actual post, somewhere on page 45 of this thread or prior thread, somehow it ended up on page 154 or something like instead of I think page 45.......again not sure because it been 2 or 3 weeks. I corrected the person by explaining that Freddie, which you've seen photos of him and Roger in Mexican sombreros. Well, that was in Puebla, Mexico. During that concert I believe in 1981, the audience was insulted by the sombrero, whereas Freddie was only trying to connect with them. As we all know he does that in every city and country. They threw BOLTS on stage, 6 inch bolts, they threw bottles and shoes at them! One bottle hit John Deacon in the head, so that's when you see John Deacon wearing a Dallas Cowboys helmet on stage, its because of that concert. Apparently, a cowboys fan gave it to him before they went to Mexico. They continued on with the show of course being that Queen are very professional. But at the end, he told the audience in English, "thank you for all the shoes, adios you Mother-f'ers you bunch of Tacos" I mean, they vowed never to return to Mexico and never have. Also, they were served KFC there at the concert but noticed it didn't look like chicken bones....they took the bones with them to Los Angeles to be examined at a lab and found they were tiny rat and kitten bones. So......that is what I tried to explain to the person criticizing Freddie. Hope this helps - Lillie |
lsg 08.04.2019 02:53 |
Hi Katydyd5!! I've been away for a little bit. Someone waaaay back in a previous thread was someone stated we were idolizing Freddie too much because he wasn't perfect. The person complained that Freddie would yell disrespecting comments to the audience like "F-Off" so forth and so on. I wrote him back but because I was a lurker and had never posted, when I finally did, instead of it responding to the actual post, somewhere on page 45 of this thread or prior thread, somehow it ended up on page 154 or something like instead of I think page 45.......again not sure because it been 2 or 3 weeks. I corrected the person by explaining that Freddie, which you've seen photos of him and Roger in Mexican sombreros. Well, that was in Puebla, Mexico. During that concert I believe in 1981, the audience was insulted by the sombrero, whereas Freddie was only trying to connect with them. As we all know he does that in every city and country. They threw BOLTS on stage, 6 inch bolts, they threw bottles and shoes at them! One bottle hit John Deacon in the head, so that's when you see John Deacon wearing a Dallas Cowboys helmet on stage, its because of that concert. Apparently, a cowboys fan gave it to him before they went to Mexico. They continued on with the show of course being that Queen are very professional. But at the end, he told the audience in English, "thank you for all the shoes, adios you Mother-f'ers you bunch of Tacos" I mean, they vowed never to return to Mexico and never have. Also, they were served KFC there at the concert but noticed it didn't look like chicken bones....they took the bones with them to Los Angeles to be examined at a lab and found they were tiny rat and kitten bones. So......that is what I tried to explain to the person criticizing Freddie. Hope this helps - Lillie |
Villiers2 08.04.2019 02:54 |
Hey Dustin! The parents live is being edited right now so I can upload it to YouTube. The editing quality of the two up on YT right now is a joke and I was trying to make them look a little better moving forward. And one of my followers recently let me know they had recorded my original Jim Hutton live and the Mary live so if she can figure out how to send me files that large, I'm uplaodin them soon! Jer said Freddie left St.Peter's with all 0's and an A in art lmao so unless India had a polar opposite educational standard than the rest of the world, he didn't graduate from SP lol. He must've done some classes to get his high school credits in Zanzibar or England. He did get to see his family a few times a year as Kashmira has spoken about his visits back home, but he spent most of his time away from SP at his aunt's in India, it sounded like. Cracks me up that he strolled out of his pricey boarding school with nearly all zeros. Probably smackin on a piece of gum lmao. |
lsg 08.04.2019 03:00 |
Hi Koala, that reference is in Peter Freestones book, Freddie Mercury: An Intimate Memoir by the man who knew him best". The cover has a large 3/4 angle of Freddie's face on the cover with a black background. |
lsg 08.04.2019 03:04 |
Hi Koala, the Freddie holding Jim's hand while sick in bed reference is in Peter Freestones book: Freddie Mercury: An intimate Memoir by the man that knew him best" If its the same thing we are taking about, he couldnt move at this point, going blind, etc and Jim was walking away when Freddie not being able to speak held Jims hand or arm, but held into wanting a hug from Jim. Very vulnerable at this time. Very sad. Hope that helps. - Lillie |
lsg 08.04.2019 03:08 |
Hi Katydyd5!! I've been away for a little bit. Someone waaaay back in a previous thread was someone stated we were idolizing Freddie too much because he wasn't perfect. The person complained that Freddie would yell disrespecting comments to the audience like "F-Off" so forth and so on. I wrote him back but because I was a lurker and had never posted, when I finally did, instead of it responding to the actual post, somewhere on page 45 of this thread or prior thread, somehow it ended up on page 154 or something like instead of I think page 45.......again not sure because it been 2 or 3 weeks. I corrected the person by explaining that Freddie, which you've seen photos of him and Roger in Mexican sombreros. Well, that was in Puebla, Mexico. During that concert I believe in 1981, the audience was insulted by the sombrero, whereas Freddie was only trying to connect with them. As we all know he does that in every city and country. They threw BOLTS on stage, 6 inch bolts, they threw bottles and shoes at them! One bottle hit John Deacon in the head, so that's when you see John Deacon wearing a Dallas Cowboys helmet on stage, its because of that concert. Apparently, a cowboys fan gave it to him before they went to Mexico. They continued on with the show of course being that Queen are very professional. But at the end, he told the audience in English, "thank you for all the shoes, adios you Mother-f'ers you bunch of Tacos" I mean, they vowed never to return to Mexico and never have. Also, they were served KFC there at the concert but noticed it didn't look like chicken bones....they took the bones with them to Los Angeles to be examined at a lab and found they were tiny rat and kitten bones. So......that is what I tried to explain to the person criticizing Freddie. Hope this helps - Lillie |
lsg 08.04.2019 03:15 |
Hi Katydyd5!! I've been away for a little bit. Someone waaaay back in a previous thread was someone stated we were idolizing Freddie too much because he wasn't perfect. The person complained that Freddie would yell disrespecting comments to the audience like "F-Off" so forth and so on.
I wrote him back but because I was a lurker and had never posted, when I finally did, instead of it responding to the actual post, somewhere on page 45 of this thread or prior thread, somehow it ended up on page 154 or something like instead of I think page 45.......again not sure because it been 2 or 3 weeks.
I corrected the person by explaining that Freddie, which you've seen photos of him and Roger in Mexican sombreros. Well, that was in Puebla, Mexico. During that concert I believe in 1981, the audience was insulted by the sombrero, whereas Freddie was only trying to connect with them. As we all know he does that in every city and country.
They threw BOLTS on stage, 6 inch bolts, they threw bottles and shoes at them! One bottle hit John Deacon in the head, so that's when you see John Deacon wearing a Dallas Cowboys helmet on stage, its because of that concert. Apparently, a cowboys fan gave it to him before they went to Mexico. They continued on with the show of course being that Queen are very professional.
But at the end, he told the audience in English, "thank you for all the shoes, adios you Mother-f'ers you bunch of Tacos"
I mean, they vowed never to return to Mexico and never have. Also, they were served KFC there at the concert but noticed it didn't look like chicken bones....they took the bones with them to Los Angeles to be examined at a lab and found they were tiny rat and kitten bones. So......that is what I tried to explain to the person criticizing Freddie.
Hope this helps - Lillie
Katydyd5 wrote: Lsgp, I did listen to your link. I actually have that one in my files and consider it a gem. Even though it is only audio I can totally picture what was going on, and Freddie is having so much fun that it is infectious. Brian has often said it is hard to quote Freddie without the F bomb, and this audio supports that. Thanks also for explaining your first post about Mexico. Now I understand what you were saying. When it first appeared it was like, "What???????????". I hoped you'd come back and tell us where you were going with it. |
lsg 08.04.2019 03:16 |
OMG, can someone please tell me how to reply to someones post? I keep trying to reply to someone on 155 but always end up somewhere on 185 with the reply. Frustrating! |
Villiers2 08.04.2019 03:31 |
I would suggest just copying their question and pasting it into your comment. Also try not to hit "post message" more than once. It takes a minute, and seems like it isn't doing anything but it always does go through. Otherwise a whole page gets filled with the same response lol. |
lsg 08.04.2019 03:31 |
Peter "Ratty" Hinces book was funny!!!! |
thundergod 08.04.2019 03:53 |
Wow, don't you hate it when you have written something you think is pretty important, but NOBODY seems to have paid attention to it. I am going to post it one more time, If it sucks ignore it again please. Posted: 07 Apr 19, 22:06 I see a fast moving, lively discussion here which is very good. Mostly everyone has kept the discussion in civil terms. Just a little advice. Firstly, this advice is definitely for ME, myself and I too. Let's try to keep moving forward as a group. By this, I don't mean everyone has to agree with each other but if we are careful enough regarding each other's feelings and maintain our common respect for one another, this thread will remain the outstanding forum it is. If ANY of us have rather personal disagreements with each other, why don't we use the very available Private Message option to express our opinions. No one likes to be pulled out into the public forum with bitter criticism. I don't and . perhaps you don't either. My respect to you all, Thor |
SM 08.04.2019 04:04 |
Mr.Thor I think I may have unintentionally added to the drama as the kids say. I had told myself I was not going to get very heavily involved once my wife showed me this thread and I have already spoken more than I originally planned. There is a great young lady here who I have been talking to for the last few weeks and I will continue to chat with her privately if she has any other questions but I think I may be retiring from the thread for now. Best of luck with the book Mr.Thor and Mr.Lee and a word of advice if I may be so bold... never conform to what 'they' want your book to be. Take it from someone who was told to lie about Mr.Mercury's home...I may not have been close to Mr.Mercury but I was friends with Jim and seeing the effect those lies had on the three good men from the garden lodge...it's a far better road travelled if you tell the truth. I look forward to reading your book. Cheers |
indy19 08.04.2019 04:08 |
Villiers2 - what is your insta and your YT please? Thanks! - indy
Villiers2 wrote: I would suggest just copying their question and pasting it into your comment. Also try not to hit "post message" more than once. It takes a minute, and seems like it isn't doing anything but it always does go through. Otherwise a whole page gets filled with the same response lol. |
thundergod 08.04.2019 04:15 |
Thank you SM (Shaun) , Man, I wish you would not leave. Your comments here have been very revealing, interesting and above all else, SINCERE.. If you have to go, I will try to understand, but I may not succeed. I know you will be sorely missed by me and, I think, many, many others. |
SM 08.04.2019 04:26 |
Thank you Mr.Thor. I will be watching your chat with Villiers and I welcome messages from you or Mr.Lee any time. I will try to figure out how to post comments during Villiers chat with you to let you know you've got a friend watching. Cheers |
Rainbow61 08.04.2019 05:15 |
Villiers2, Thanks for the info about Freddie's schooling. I can't imagine his parents were too happy about the grades...I'm guessing that was not a fun conversation to have with the folks! |
Rainbow61 08.04.2019 05:42 |
Thor and Lee, More questions about the Kensington Roof Gardens party. I'm trying to imagine what it would have been like to be at this massive rock star party where I didn't really know many people. That would be a bit intimidating for me. Did Freddie introduce you to his friends you hadn't met yet or did you just mingle and make your own introductions? As one of the hosts, Freddie probably had to spread himself around that night. Is there anyone interesting that you met for the first time? Did you get a chance to chat with Brian, Roger, or John? |
doughnut 08.04.2019 06:32 |
The squirrelly one .... Thank for for confirming that someone runs his page for him. I don't know Brian so I just assumed he had promoted it . However , from a fans point of view this is the impression. I hadn't even thought about Brian having read the book when I mentioned he had promoted it. Someone asked if Jim and Brian had got a!ong which is why I made my comments. I'm sorry it caused so much drama , it wasn't my intention. Thank you for the screenshot nevertoolate. Shaun don't go, I understand your comments because they are born out of loyalty to Jim. You have been insightful and honest and I understand your frustration regarding what happened . If only people knew Thor great post , I have taken it on board |
doughnut 08.04.2019 09:35 |
i have just been contemplating what shaun has kindly shared with us and find it incredibly sad that Peter, Jim and Joe was treated so badly at that time. It is awful that the men that cared and loved Freddie suffered. Peter was such an important and large part of Freddie's life for 12 years and he should have been included in the film so that viewers could see that Freddie has someone with him and he wasn't lonely. I don't wish to start any negatively and I know the people behind the film have said it is not a documentary but the film has created thousands of new fans who have viewed the film as exact events. Was being gay in 1991 still so difficult that even after Freddie's death the queen people still didn't want to tell the world Freddie's sexuality. I'm trying to understand why those three men was totally disregarded. Jim did say in his book that he felt Jim Beach did not understand his and Freddie's relationship but he knew he made him happy. I hope that Joe has been able to tell Freddie everything that went on. |
Katydyd5 08.04.2019 11:48 |
Lspg, your replies are appearing exactly where they should be. We are up to page 186 now, so that is where you want to be too. Even if you reply to a post from way back, your answer will pop up on the current page. You are doing everything exactly right! QZ loads slowly though, so you only have to hit "reply" once. I watch the tool bar at the top of my screen for the rolling ball to make sure it is loading. |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 12:25 |
Doughnut, Yes you are correct I believe they wanted to keep Freddie's sexuality a secret then but I dont know why it should matter now I dont get it. |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 12:25 |
Doughnut, Yes you are correct I believe they wanted to keep Freddie's sexuality a secret then but I dont know why it should matter now I dont get it. |
thundergod 08.04.2019 16:00 |
Doughnut, Thank you for letting me know that you read my post...I was getting a little worried that perhaps people thought my post was a bit too lecture-ish. If so, I do apologize for that. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 08.04.2019 16:32 |
Shaun we've really enjoyed your contributions to this thread- please don't leave! |
doughnut 08.04.2019 17:10 |
Thor to me your post was perfect and was needed. Thank you again :) |
doughnut 08.04.2019 17:10 |
Thor to me your post was perfect and was needed. Thank you again :) |
doughnut 08.04.2019 17:13 |
sorry I didn't realize I'd pressed post twice....this is so annoying lol |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 17:36 |
Thor, I value Your opinion always and I hope my anger didnt offend anyone with my anger but It is a little hard for me to control at times but I work on it everyday.And yes I do understand what mental health problems are including anxiety,Depression,and PTSD thanks for giving me a reality check as I looked back on the forum I needed it. |
GwenMezroe 08.04.2019 17:41 |
Shaun, I hope you decide to stick around. I love gleaning from your firsthand experience and I admire how much you defend and protect Jim, Joe and Peter. I think part of the reason this thread has so much traction is because of the firsthand accounts of people like you, Thor and Lee. Sometimes the truth is just a hard pill to swallow. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be shared. We are here because we want to learn the truth about some things in Freddie's life. That includes the truth about some of the people that were around him. |
doughnut 08.04.2019 18:13 |
GwenMenzo I couldn't have said it any better. PS I have got to tell you guys about a facebook group I have found (i am nosy and often come accross things) . It is called '50 shades of Freddie' The idea is for people to indulge in role play involving what they would like to do with Freddie! it's pretty steamy ! Thor what do you think Freddie's reaction would be to this? lol |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 18:55 |
Doughnut, have you played it sounds exciting but I'm not much for a dark headed man roger would be more my type if I liked that kind of thing.Blondes there is just something about them but Roger is too short I would have to stretch him a little or I could just forget It and find me a really nice looking girly and play the same game because it doesnt matter too much to me on them except I like them to have long hair I dont do short hair. |
doughnut 08.04.2019 19:42 |
cheyman no I haven't played....it just feels a bit too weird for me. Whilst I think that Freddie was sexy , something I didn't realize until later in life) I can't do that with people I don't know online. lol no idea how real this is but I found this on the serious discussion forum on here. It's an alternative script for the film. There are someone called Tony Bastin in it who is catching Freddie's eye. Thats where I am up too. link |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 20:37 |
Doughnut,I'm not too much into fantasy stuff I kinda like the real deal.But if people can get together and have a good time I dont see it's doing any harm at least their having fun enjoying life isn't that what it's all about.I think they said Freddie was the scrabble king. |
FreddieDarling 08.04.2019 22:43 |
Hi folks I do hope that Shaun doesn't stay permanently away from posting on the thread. Loved his contribution. His insights were invaluable, as are Thor's and Lee's, and he always showed such respect for Freddie and his "family" genetic and otherwise. My Wembley '86 Funko Freddie FINALLY arrived yesterday ! I ordered him in ? November! He's smaller than I thought (4"high) but I love him. Order a 5D painting of Freddie in the "classic" fist raised to the sky pose! Hope I don't news him up! He could end up looking more like Freddie Krueger ! Am I Freddie obsessed?! Hmm. Maybe a smidgen! Question. There are often reportaps that Freddie was phobic about flying, which I find hard to believe given that he flew all around the world, touring. Did youTjir or you, Lee ever see signs if nervousness when he flew with you? BTW I just ordered 4 Indian Red Leg Stick Insects. Gonna call them Freddie, John, Brian and Roger! :-) Have a good week folks! |
FreddieDarling 08.04.2019 22:52 |
Google news alerted me to this article. I'd love to see this image of Freddie. Love how Kash remembers her brother so fondly. Here's the link.... link |
emdee0809 08.04.2019 23:34 |
SM - I hope you reconsider. I do not think anyone on here wants you to leave the forum. Your comments do not create drama. Your comments speak the truth. If any drama occurs, it should be of no concern to you. You are graciously stating what you know. There are few people who know the facts. I am thankful that you took the time to clarify events that took place on those final days. This may sound a bit childish but please, please, please don't go.:) |
CHEVYMAN 08.04.2019 23:55 |
Emdee, It doesnt sound childish You have a Very good point he was there . |
Blenkolove 09.04.2019 00:29 |
SM....not only do I second the 'please don't go' sentiment expressed by so many......i hope you do a lives with Villiers!!! I think I heard her say that you may consider..... .Please... Do! Do! Do!!!!!! Her lives are Ammmazing! |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 00:44 |
SM, please dont leave We all would love you to stay.I love how you talk about Jim I have a soft spot for him .He is everybody's sweetheart. |
The Black Queen's Kid 09.04.2019 01:05 |
That makes me so sad that his cremains would have not been immediately picked up and treated with respect. My goodness, the cremains of my beloved dogs were never left for any length of time. Did this beautiful man have his ashes just sitting there waiting to be claimed? That hurts my heart. |
Galileo1564 09.04.2019 01:26 |
FreddieDarling— The source article for the interview with cash is here: link |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 01:42 |
That makes me so sad Kash is separated she lost both her parents ,brother, now her husband I'm so sorry she is going though this. |
indy19 09.04.2019 01:45 |
That IS very sad! I picked up my brother's remains (he was cremated as we are Hindu) the very day they called me. Why would she leave it there? Was it secure? And why would she even admit that? I find some of her admissions a bit strange, especially the part about not falling for Freddie until three years AFTER they got together? I mean, they were living together and she means to tell us that she did not fall in love with him until three years AFTER?! |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 01:48 |
Indy, yep kinda strange I wont open up any new worms but yes that is strange. |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 01:50 |
Indy, I just hope she blew off the dust before she took them home. |
Dougie 4 09.04.2019 05:09 |
To answer an earlier post, Freddie was not afraid of flying, we have photos of him joking around and kicking his legs in helicopters, and photos of him in flights always show him appearing calm and collected. |
Jo T. 09.04.2019 05:36 |
Villiers2 wrote: Hey Dustin! The parents live is being edited right now so I can upload it to YouTube. The editing quality of the two up on YT right now is a joke and I was trying to make them look a little better moving forward. And one of my followers recently let me know they had recorded my original Jim Hutton live and the Mary live so if she can figure out how to send me files that large, I'm uplaodin them soon! Jer said Freddie left St.Peter's with all 0's and an A in art lmao so unless India had a polar opposite educational standard than the rest of the world, he didn't graduate from SP lol. He must've done some classes to get his high school credits in Zanzibar or England. He did get to see his family a few times a year as Kashmira has spoken about his visits back home, but he spent most of his time away from SP at his aunt's in India, it sounded like. Cracks me up that he strolled out of his pricey boarding school with nearly all zeros. Probably smackin on a piece of gum lmao. |
Jo T. 09.04.2019 05:50 |
Damn it! Sorry, QZ devoured my original message and I hadn't meant to include all of Villier's original post. That's annoying. Villiers, all due respect, I don't believe "O" means zero. I believe "O" means "O Level" or Ordinary Level vs. A Level or Advanced Level. I believe an "O Level" means minimal competence or passing a subject examination at an Ordinary Level. Freddie had mostly O Levels and an A Level - as to be expected - in art. I don't understand the UK grading system. I'm not a product of UK schools, but I had a good friend who attended boarding school in high school in England and once tried to explain the level system to me. I welcome anybody to correct me or to explain the UK grading system accurately. It would be hard for me to believe the same person who composed the lyrics to "Bohemian Rhapsody" failed most of his classes and earned zeros, except in art. Freddie always appeared relatively well-educated to me in interviews, unless I'm fooled by his British accent! LOL |
Dustin Zimmerman 09.04.2019 07:13 |
Jer: "He left Saint Peter's with zeros for all his grades except maybe art. I believe he got an A in that." Lol zero means zero anywhere am I right? A,B,C,D and F are grade levels. "O" as a letter is not a grade level that I've ever heard of. 0 as in the number zero means failing in America and I assume everywhere else. A man with an artistic mind not wanting to do work for math class is nothing new by a long shot. Him getting zeros is far from him being dumb. If you ask me it's him being a typical musician in grade school. He just had no interest in it imo. |
Dustin Zimmerman 09.04.2019 07:18 |
Also with Freddie being schooled in India does that mean it went by a British educational system? Villiers might know but "zero" and "O" can't mean the same thing. I can't imagine zero not meaning failing lol. |
Villiers2 09.04.2019 07:33 |
Villiers does NOT know lmao. Thanks for the heads up on insta for this, Dust and the info Joe T but no it's not something I've looked into. Being from the Ameircan school system myself, I just assumed 0 level meant the same thing there as it does here. I've already finished editing my Freddie's parents live so I hope my "unless their educational system is different than ours" speech is enough to let people know I don't have the lowdown on India's educational credits during the 1950's lmao. Wish I did tho! Tech check later today with Lee though, guys. Let's all pray the Instagram gods smile upon us and give us solid audio quality and and clear connection. Let us pray. Lmao |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 07:40 |
Hi I was schooled in the UK, and yes what Jer would seem to be suggesting is that Freddie attained his "O" (Ordinary) Level examination passes (These ranged from A to E. an E is actually a fail, you can if you really don't try also get "U" which stands for Unclassified, sometimes called F for fail. I know Freddie left St. Peter's without sitting his O Levels, but perhaps he studied and sat for them at the school he attended when he returned to Zanzibar ? The one he attended with Bonzo Fernandez. I think it was the 1970's when Britain introduced C.S.E.'s (Certificate of Secondary Education) which was a slightly lower grade examination for students struggling with .O'Levels. The grading for these was numerical 1, 2, 3, 4 I think. A grade 1 pass at C.S.E. was equivalent to a Grade C O'Level pass, so then could be classed as an O'Level. To complicate things further, the education system in the late 1980's introduced G.C.S.E.'s (General Certificate of Secondary Education) instead of the 2 tier O Level/C.S.E. system. and are still using this system now. They include the more distinguished A* pass. A' (Advanced) Levels are still A Levels. Is that clear for everyone. :-) BTW there is no such thing as a "British Accent" ! The accent people are referring to when they say British Accent is actually English R.P.... Received Pronunciation (i.e. the Queen's English. Though actually the Queen speaks U.R.P. Upperclass Received Pronunciation. I'm sure that Scottish, and Welsh people would wince at "British accent" as much as we English do. :-) Sorry, hope that wasn't an Anglo-rant. :-) Have a great Tuesday, folks. |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 07:43 |
P.S Yes, St. Peter's did follow the British Examination system. |
Villiers2 09.04.2019 07:51 |
"I know Freddie left St. Peter's without sitting his O Levels, but perhaps he studied and sat for them at the school he attended when he returned to Zanzibar ?" That's my best guess too, thanks for the extra info! |
doughnut 09.04.2019 08:02 |
lol at the British accent comment Freddie. Just like the US we have so many different accents according to where in the UK people live. I am in Essex so sadly I have an essex accent. Freddie my daughter is just through her GCSE's now and they are very very hard. arrrrrrr lol Villiers will you uploading your Jim live soon ? |
doughnut 09.04.2019 08:14 |
Shaun are you feeling the love from us.....if you are reading our posts please say hi. please please please please come back I have a soft spot for Jim too and Joe xxxxxx |
Villiers2 09.04.2019 08:21 |
Hi! The Jim live is up on YouTube and the live about his parents should be up by tomorrow :) |
doughnut 09.04.2019 08:31 |
villers yay I'm going to watch it now. Have a good day or night (not sure on the timezone ) its 9.30 in the morning here . |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 08:32 |
Yes, please Shaun! Don't go! We love Freddie, and all his lovely, loyal friends past and present. To quote Freddie "bring it back, bring it back, don't take it away from me (us)" ! :-) Pretty, pretty please with sprinkles on top! Hope I didn't offend anyone with my accent "lecture" it's just a pet-hate thing for me. :-) Whatever qualifications Freddie did or didn't have he was a bloody genius, and his intellect was no less than his 3 bandmates. His genius was just directed differenty. Doughnut, I love West Country accents. They are warm and friendly. I hail from Birmingham, but I don't have the classic Birmingham accent. It's more tempered with "proper English" as that's the sort of direction I was encouraged toward in pronunciation. Yes, G.C.S.E.'s are a real bugger nowadays aren't they, and still the media tries to dumb them down saying too many students are achieving high pass grades! Perhaps that's because they study hard !!! Hope your daughter got great grades and that they serve her we'll in life! Cheers all! |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 10:46 |
Doughnut! I guessed you were British as you spell Doughnut properly! *LOL* I realised my error ! I quickly read Essex as Exeter! Doh! :-/ Hence my West Country comment. But hey, there is nothing wrong with accents from the South East either! In fact It think that it's great that television in the UK now reflects all the regional accents these days (though there is something of an obsession the BBC have with North West i.e. Mancunian accents!) It's nice to have the full cornucopia of accents broadcast rather than just the old BBC English, whose 'plummy' English made even Her Majesty sound "common" *LOL*. I think nearly everybody's favourite is Geordie! Somehow they always sound friendly and fun! No wonder the Government based HMRC (Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs- ....Inland Revenue!) in Newcastle upon Tyne! Those Geordie accents soften the blow of being told you owe them thousands in tax shortfall ! :-) Sorry I got confused! |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 10:59 |
Galileo1564 Thank you for that link. Nice to see the actual article. Lovely photo of Freddie. I was curious as she said the photo dated from a time when Freddie lived at home with the family. This was also the photo used on BBC Breakfast TV when Sam, Freddie's nephew was interviewed around the time if the film release. Hope Kash is happy and contented. Glad she has her daughter and son. |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 12:48 |
I dont see Freddie afraid of too much he looks like he enjoyed his life friends , holidays,and such. |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 13:46 |
Yes, I don't believe the dear of flying thing either. Peter Freestone only reports that Freddie refused to fly on a DC-10 after a spare of accidents involving these planes, and that he wasn't particularly enamoured of flying in helicopters. If that is so he made a good job of covering any discomfort! In fact amount seemed more nervous- at least if exiting the helicopter when he almost limboed to avoid the blades ! *LOL* ! I know that like me, he was a bit of an arachnophobe, as reported by Jim Hutton in Mercury and Me, but he, also like me, wouldn't kill them (I have a special device for removing them a long handle with perspex cup with a sliding door) They are "escorted" outdoors unharmed! |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 13:48 |
Fear not dear! I'm plagued by typographical errors! |
doughnut 09.04.2019 14:13 |
FreddieDarling ha ha yes it's Doughnut; not the american way which has completely escaped my mind how to spell. When I signed up I didn't realize I would be just 'doughnut'. I call myself Debbiedoughnuts. Thor kindly pointed out to me that there is a brand of cakes in the US called 'little debbie'. I love this lol. Was it you and another member I saw recently having a disagreement with a troll on another thread ? If it was I thought you did very well !!! Yep I'm from Essex but I do like the West Country accent and the Gordie too. Funnily enough the Irish accent is a fav, the Dublin area accent. I can't remember if it was Lee or Thor that said during the magic tour Jim Hutton had a few drinks and he was having trouble understanding him. That made me chuckle as some Irish accents are very strong. Also I do want a Freddie pop figure.....I have seen one from the tour where he is wearing the white tights with black arrows on but its not in the UK. I think that might be from Rock in Rio or the tour in 1985, Japan etc. Where did you order your one from ? My family already think I am queen/Freddie mad. I did get a Freddie magic tour keyring for Mothers day :) Hope everyone else is well :) |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 14:38 |
Yes everytime I think of Doughnuts name I think of my favorite Doughnut maple and bacon. |
doughnut 09.04.2019 18:54 |
FreddieDarling I have sent you a PM about the pop figure |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 19:06 |
Hi Yes DONUT is no way to spell one of my favourite jammy cakes! *LOL* my favourite are mandazi which are cardamom flavoured African doughnuts. I too love Southern Irish accents,though to be honest I do struggle to understand Scottish and Irish accents when very strong, too! I have trouble with Black Country (which is the na!e of an industrial region adjacent to where I live),too as they are only a stone's throw away! I pre-ordered my Freddie Wembley '86 Funko figure in November from Amazon. Kept getting delayed, but they FINALLY released him! Though I think Amazon have some of the first sticks as the only listing in there right now is from a marketplace seller priced at over £45! I paid only £12.99. If you have a Forbidden Planet shop near you you might get one at a similar price there. Their website has them listed at £9.99 + postage. I also love the Hot Space tour Freddie , they're calling him the glitter model. Model number is 97. Cheapest I've seen him is on eBay.co.uk £26.99 plus, I think £3.99 p&p! Expensive! What was the discussion about between the person and a troll? Was it in YouTube? If it was QueenZone I tend not to engage with the hairy, big nosed bridge dwelling types we occasionally get here. They seem to feed in interaction, and fade away and either if ignored! ... Ha Ha! Hope everyone has had a good day! For the Monday -Friday crowd, hey we're 2/5 done! Which reminds me I saw a wonderfully funny badge for sale on eBay! Its divided into top half yellow bottom half black. Too of the badge says "5 Data With You Twats" bottom half says "2 Days Of Bliss"! I wish I had the balls to wear one at work ! LMAO !! |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 19:26 |
As usual I have typos (mostly predictive text inspired ones!) galore, but I don't think you need to be Alan Turing to figure it out! Sorry, peeps! :-) |
doughnut 09.04.2019 20:05 |
FreddieDarling do keep posting on here as you are so funny :) Just what we need :) |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 20:11 |
I remember back in the 80s I had a Michael Jackson doll he had his glove on he looked so fine.I loved that doll. |
indy19 09.04.2019 21:00 |
I just want to say that I went to a similar school in India (as Freddie -- though, a girls' school) but that was in the 70s and we didn't have the British A/O levels anymore then. I came to the States before I took the ICSE. Re accents, I definitely detect what in India is called the "convent-school-accent" on Freddie mixed in with his "RP" ;) My "convent-school-accent" (and my brother's) underwent a radical change about six months after we came to the States (I was in 10th grade) and got loaded and reloaded with a North Jersey (and then a mid-Atlantic for me as I moved to DC for univ and work) one as the years went by... Most of my cousins and their kids in India seem to have that convent accent. It basically comes from the English medium schools. |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 21:27 |
Indy, I love the way the English talk it fascinates me.Im from Oklahoma and we sound like a bunch of hillbilly but we do our best.We are really slow talking where the English to me talk fast I cant keep up. |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 21:59 |
Hey, Doughnut , In PM"d you! ,:-) |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 22:04 |
Thank you Indy for your insights. Very interesting perspective. I sometimes feel that's Freddie's accent was a little mixed with a touch of Gujarati accent occasionally, too. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that he had a certain 'clipped' quality to some words Chevyman, some of us speak quickly, but other at a more measured pace. There are so, so many regional accents in our quite small country... and some of us don't even understand each other! :-D |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 22:09 |
Doughnut, thank you for your kind words! Nice to hear! Sometimes my eccentric, sarcastic humour can be a bit hard for people to understand, but it's nice to know that I haven't offended (which is never my intention!) You are a wonderfully fun person too! On the whole this group are a lovely bunch of fair minded, open, accepting people. If the world as a whole had as few bigoted people as this Thread, it'd be a far more harmonious one! |
Villiers2 09.04.2019 22:18 |
M'k those tech-savvy Freddie fans out there, I need some advice. The great Kathleen herself tried for about half an hour to get into my live on Instagram for our tech check and I could send him a request to join the audio and video part, but he said all that appeared on his end was a blue bar of some sort. He would click "accept" and then everything would just drop for him. He did say he could hear me but that my voice was coming in and out. I'm like 99% sure thats a wifi issue, ammi'right? Anyone techy able to confirm? |
CHEVYMAN 09.04.2019 22:33 |
I know |
FreddieDarling 09.04.2019 22:33 |
Can you all get online using ethernet cable to rule out (or not) if it is a WiFi problem ? Good Luck . Hope you sort it out. |
emdee0809 10.04.2019 00:12 |
FreddieDarling - You are so right about this group. It's nice communicating with people all over the world with shared interests. I have learned so much and not just about Freddie. I remember years ago trying to find "penpals" for my students across the states as well as in different countries. Now I'm sitting here in the comfort of my own home sending out a message going to who knows where!! :) doughnut - Loved hearing about your mother's day present. My family too - thinks I've "gone slightly mad" as everything is about Freddie and Queen for me right now, too. I now have adopted you as my Queen family!! |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 00:22 |
Awe that's sweet doughnut is a real sweet heart easy to get along with. |
Katydyd5 10.04.2019 00:39 |
FreddieDarling, is the Hot Space Tour Funko figure you talked about wearing the silver glitter leotard? I haven't seen that one yet, and that's my favorite early Freddie costume. I looked on Amazon but they don't have it and couldn't find it on Google either. Interesting discussion on accents! Some people love men in uniforms, I like men with accents! Loved Jim's Irish accent, and I could listen to Mack forever. Freddie's was lovely. The Peppa Pig cartoon is very popular in the US and as a result some young children have picked up that accent. I once asked my granddaughter to clean up a mess she'd made and she said, "I simply cahn't" I lived in New Jersey for a long time, but don't have the accent, same with living in Buffalo, NY. One year in Louisiana didn't affect me much once we moved out. True Cajun accents in Louisiana can be difficult to understand. I think I'm kind of generic. I do have a few regional words that can get in my way. For example when we first moved here I asked someone for a diet soda, and they asked me if I meant soda water. I've learned that in the Midwest, it's not soda, it's pop. I find regional accents, food, customs, etc. so interesting. |
Dustin Zimmerman 10.04.2019 02:47 |
Villiers that's a classic low wifi situation. If your followers could hear you fine but Lee couldn't then it's his wifi that was not stable enough at the time. Assuming the app is updated in his phone that is. |
Jo T. 10.04.2019 02:50 |
@FreddieDarling, I truly appreciate the time you took to explain the UK educational system. I'm an American. Thanks for schooling me - and others - on my erroneous use of “British accent.” I wasn’t at all offended by your accent “lecture.” I always stand to be corrected. It was interesting and I learned from it. Yes, I agree that Freddie was a bloody genius. I do love how the British use the word "bloody!" |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.04.2019 05:37 |
Hey everyone. I've been lurking and wow so much action here on Queenzone!! For the most part great stuff - thank you Thor for stepping in (twice!) with your gentle reminder for mutual respect. I do hope Shaun returns - I loved reading his comments and first hand stories. I am a big Jim fan. I loved his book and he seems like he was such a straight up honest loving man. I am ridiculously excited for Thor and Lee on Villiars live!!!! I missed the one with his parents so also excited that will be posted on her YouTube page. And this is the first I heard of Villiars and Jackie having it out...YOU GO GIRL!!! koala I loved your post where you really opened up - beautiful and thank you. |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.04.2019 05:42 |
That IS really weird about the ashes. There is no way in hell I wouldn't pick up my loved one's ashes immediately! I have often wondered why he entrusted her and only her with them and where he wanted them to go. Being guilt driven is one thing, but to not have his own family know?? And JIm? Phoebe? I just don't understand that final wish I must say. I'm sure he had his reasons though, I hope they are in Lake Geneva by the statue |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.04.2019 05:59 |
I thought that 50 Shades of Freddie page would be fun too - IT FREAKED ME OUT completely! Ewwww not for me - I couldn't unfollow/unjoin it fast enough! |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 07:30 |
Hi Villiers2. No the Funko Pop figure I mentioned sadly doesn't have the silver glittery leotard (or Nijinsky costume as Freddie liked to call it) I don't know why the employ the words glitter and diamond in the description! It's shirtless Freddie (down girls !!)in white 'tights' with red sash belt. It's from the shirt hair moustached Freddie era, Works/Hot space tour. Nice, but bloody expensive at the moment, I'm hoping when the movie hype calmsca little, the prices will fall to less prohibitive levels. Hey, we Brits call fizzy drinks "pop"-, too. Interesting ! Didn't know they do in the Midwest, too. Yep, soda to us is soda water! Hope you sorted out your connection buddies with Lee. I'm looking forward to downloading all the chats you gave uploaded (I have the Bo Rhap myth busting, and Jim chat) as with the time differences, and not usually getting notification as, I usually miss them) I love your chats, and your knowledge in in depth. Glad I didn't seem to anyone with my accent "lecture". Never seen Peppa Pig. Now I'm going to have to catch a bit of it, as I'm curious now. Doughnut, my dear describe your Freddie keyring to us. I'm a devil for searching in eBay for Freddie related items. I spend far too much on my hobby +(though not to the extent of debt) It's so lovely to have some nice post (the "mail" to our American friends :-). )to look forward to. I even have a fleece throw covered in images of Freddie. It's Lovely. Tad expensive at about £22.50 but I do enjoy my"Freddie Hug" Emcee, re the UK education system explanation, you're welcome. Strange how different countries work out their different systems, isn't it. To add yet another differential into the pot, our degree courses in UK universities usually take 3 yeaes to complete, not 4. We're a fast paced bunch! LOL! Well th..the..that's all folks! Fir the moment, anyway. Have a great mid-week, peeps! Tomorrow is Thor's Day! ...Sorry Thursday! Good old Woden has his turn today! |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 07:33 |
I couldn't even find the 50 Shades if Freddie Mercury page when I Googled it! |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 07:41 |
I'm hoping this works. This is the Shirtless Freddie Funko Pop figure. Love his chest! |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 09:59 |
I'm an idiot! It was Katydyd who asked about the Freddie Funko figure , not Villiers. My apologies! If to err is human, then I am VERY human! Hope you will all be *divine" and forgive me. :-) |
doughnut 10.04.2019 11:46 |
emdee.... I was very very happy with my Freddie keyring. It is Freddie from the magic tour in the yellow jacket and he has a microphone in his hand. It looks to be made of lego. I fully indulge my queen/freddie love on Monday's as my girls are at school and my other half at work. This is the only day that I do not work; I like to watch the magic tour and Live at the Bowl . Freddie is on fire during 'live at the bowl'. I understand Freddie had been bitten on the hand by Bill Reid before this one. Understanding Freddie via Peter Freestone I imagine this really fired up Freddie which may have prompted the fab show, not that all of his shows weren't fab as they were. If I had a time machine I would go back to Wembley in 1986 and the Wham Final as I did like a bit of Wham. Freddiedarling...... I can find out where it was purchased from although I suspect it's either Amazon or E Bay. Cheyman thanks you for your kind words. I do try to get along with everyone no matter where you are from or what your background is. You made me smile when you said you like the English/British accent, of which there are many variations. Hello NotQuiteAShilling , I lurked on this thread for ages before I plucked up the courage to post. I was scared of being trolled. Ha ha I love you peaked at Fifty Shades or Freddie too. I'm no prude but the thought how acting out sexual fantasies online with strangers is weird to me. Not least there are a lot of nutters in the world...yuk. I am more than happy with my large cardboard cut out of Freddie in his tiny white shorts ....;) ;) ;);) looooolllll. Freddiedarling have you found it yet, if not I can send you the link lol . Also I am right that in Birmingham you call fizzy drinks 'pop'? I just call it 'fizzy' lol Someone said about the use of the word 'bloody'. Funnily enough I don't use it that much. Sadly I'm more of a Freddie and sometimes use the 'F' word. Thor and lee hello, we miss you :) From the posts the other day it is clear that some of your knew Jim Hutton and I was wondering if you would be willing to share any tales with us. Perhaps something so that we can try and get to know a bit more about him. Did he ever talk to you about Joe as we know so little about him and he appeared to be very loyal towards Freddie. Thor/Lee did you know Joe well from your visits ? I have read an interview online with the guy that played Jim in the film and he said during his research no one had a bad word to say about Jim and that he was a good influence on Freddie. |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 11:59 |
Speaking of Joe was he a good cook I always seen pics of him in the kitchen. |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 12:05 |
I'm glad the guy that played Jim had those positive words to say about him.I would like to talk to someone that really knew him.He always had those angry looking eyes but I'm sure he wasnt it's just the way his eyes were.I didnt know one of Freddie's boyfriends bit him .That was a relationship to let go of for sure. |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 12:29 |
Doughnut those white shorts are too much honey.I dont think he was wearing underwear my and that red bandana it's all for you boys.And that ass was perfect it's a good thing he didnt bend over or they weren't any shorter or you could see the Male anatomy.Thats all I'm saying. |
Katydyd5 10.04.2019 12:36 |
FreddieDarling, thanks for the picture of the Hot Space figure. I was hoping for glitter, but that one is cute. I think I might eventually get one...…….or more......of the figures. Just a fun thing to have around. NotQuiteAShilling, nice to see you again! It feels like it has been a while. You always have interesting posts! Ok, now I can't remember who it was who said they shopped Ebay for Freddie items. Doughnut?? Have you ever looked at Etsy? They have tons of stuff. It's so tempting to add to my collection. I think I have four mugs, and there's another one I want, but I seriously can't justify it. I also like some of the canvas prints. I have a black and white canvas of him in this room wearing the shorts and suspenders. If any of you are familiar with Zulilly, the online shopping site, the canvas print just popped up there one day and I had to have it. |
Katydyd5 10.04.2019 12:41 |
Ah, it was FreddieDarling who searches eBay for Freddie things. Sorry about that! I don't like to be the start of a new page because I have to rely on my memory if I'm replying to someone and that's never a good plan. |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 13:17 |
Personally I wouldn't have a problem in seeing Freddie's "male anatomy" ! And apparently there was QUITE a bit to see! ;-) Yes, he did have a very sweet tuchas. Very .... pert! Freddie's physique was lovely, IMO. I like a slender man with a bit of body foliage. I'm not a fan of the modern fad of "man-scaping". I even find his little stripe of hair between his shoulder blades endearing! :-) Don't worry, Doughnut, I sometimes use to "f" word,too. But NOT the "see you next Tuesday" word! Me no likey that word! I do use bloody a lot, though. Well Joe Fanelli must have been a pretty damn good cook! He worked for some if the best restaurants in London. Provan"s being one of them. Apparently he gave up on a lot of the "chefing" when he became poorly with AIDS and Fabulous Phoebe took on the mantle. He seems to have been pretty good at cooking, too! Thank you, Doughnut, but I already treated myself to a Freddie Lego figure. Mine isn't a key ring, though. I do have a Freddie keyring. It's an outline of Freddie fist raised, jacket flying, bearing a guitar. It's cut from stainless steel. I think they must have been We Will Rock You merchandise. Bye folks |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 13:32 |
@Katydyd5. No I haven't used Etsy to buy from yet, though I have browsed and I think one of my sister's has used it. Do they use PayPal? Had my Freddie "Schroeder" Peanuts T Shirt arrive today! It's lovely! And my stick insects have been sent out! I love stickies! |
Freddienotfreddy 10.04.2019 14:02 |
doughnut, There are 2 books on Amazon called The Virtuoso in the Closet, part 1 & 2 that are fiction stories based on Freddie's life, the early days of forming Queen. Villers2 recommend it and I really enjoyed them both. Even though it is fiction and the names are different, you can tell the author did her research and incooperates a lot of things we know from Freddie's story. They are very cheap on Kindle and are enjoyable, quick reads. |
Katydyd5 10.04.2019 14:11 |
FreddieDarling, not sure if Etsy uses PayPal. I think I got a keyring from there once, but I would have used a credit card. |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.04.2019 14:46 |
Thank you Katydyd5! Your posts are always some of my faves! FreddieDarling - add me to the peeps who enjoy your humor. LOVE the shirtless Freddie Funko!! I also LOVE the Bowl concert and I listen to it at work pretty much daily - WOW what a truly amazing performance!!! That would be my time-machine destination I think. I have also been obsessing lately with the 1974 Live at the Rainbow concert - especially Liar and Father to Son. Just sooooo good I really enjoyed the Virtuoso in the Closet books, especially the first one. They were a guilty pleasure, but the author had obviously done her research and I couldn't put the first one down! Fan fiction can be cool - but the 50 Shades site was too much for me. Hey to each their own. Star Trek had some weird fan fiction lol with Kirk and Spock together LOL. Cool fact: Freddie's godchild, Mack's son Freddie Mack said that Queen fans are the Star Trek fans of the rock world. He said it in a complementary way and he meant that they do all their research and know every detail. I thought that was awesome!! White shorts Freddie is heaven. I also love the "foliage" - up between shoulders, small of his back, and that mass down his chest/stomach with the line down the middle. Ahhhhhh.....sublime. (uh oh I'm getting all 50 shades of Freddie here - sorry!) My friends from Boston called soda "tonic". I had no clue what they were talking about and couldn't figure out why they kept offering me a tonic (which I would politely decline) then they were all drinking Cokes! LOL They guy who played Jim was really the only part of Bo Rap that I enjoyed (and the music of course) I thought he did an AMAZING job and wish he had been a much bigger part of the movie I finally got Phoebe's first book via ebay. Man that took MONTHS! Is ebay always that slow?? Imagine my pleasant surprise to open to the photos in the middle and find it FULL of photos or THOR and LEE!!!!! I had no idea you guys were such a big part of Phoebe's first book! (You are both SMOKING HOT I must say!) Can't wait to read it! |
doughnut 10.04.2019 15:46 |
Lee and Thor I am so sorry for starting this loooolll BUT I AGFREE. I feel I have brought 50 shades here lol White shorts Freddie is heaven as is Freddie in Rock in Rio and Live at the Bowl and pretty much any tour lol. I also love the "foliage" - up between shoulders, small of his back, and that mass down his chest/stomach with the line down the middle. I even love his arm pit hair so when I saw someone once ask why Freddie didn't shave I was aghast Freddie will be laughing to himself now that he has become such a sex symbol.along with his amazing musical talent and song writing skills and producing. Not sure if I have missed anything to counter balance us fawning over him . Katy are you in the US as I was searching e bay earlier and the hot space Freddie is available for $16...very cheap you lucky lady. I was going to order until I saw the shipping cost , $30. I will have a look on Etsy, thank you. Yes I agree that Joe appeared to be an amazing chef. Freddie was very lucky to have Joe and Petter. I hope Joe, Freddie, Jim and the other new york daughters that have left this earth are having a party as we speak. Off course there will be many others at the party too. I get confused with american terms...I think you call Fries 'chips' and trousers 'pants' and that bag you put around your waist a 'fanny pack' (written whilst giggling to myself ) . I am sure you know what a fanny is in the UK LOL I blame Freddie Dearie for this, I have let my crazy humour start to come out . |
doughnut 10.04.2019 15:48 |
Personally I wouldn't have a problem in seeing Freddie's "male anatomy" ! And apparently there was QUITE a bit to see! ;-) No that is obvious and I have to confess I wouldn't have a problem either. sorry again Thor and Lee , I just had to get this off of my chest. I been wanting to mention it for ages but last time you got cross. But seeing as it is obvious I hope you will laugh |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 16:27 |
Well we all got that off our chest I never really noticed because I'm so modest U know but I'm glad I got it off my mind |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 17:19 |
Hello is there anybody out there? |
doughnut 10.04.2019 18:46 |
I'm here. I have been having an issue with a mad woman on a fb page who took offence to me saying I wish the film was factual. She felt I had insulted Brian and Roger. Bloody nutcase !!! |
doughnut 10.04.2019 18:53 |
PS The lady said I was acting Republic...........what the ...... |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 18:53 |
Seriously on fb block her.I stay off there If I feel I dont mesh with someone I keep my distance.What happened. |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 18:59 |
NotQuiteAShilling, can you PM me a link for the 50 shades site please? I'm curious! Cheers! :-) |
doughnut 10.04.2019 19:06 |
I'll pm you the link Freddie as I'm still in the group lol |
doughnut 10.04.2019 19:13 |
FreddieDarling try this link |
thundergod 10.04.2019 19:52 |
Hello my friends, I leave Lee's house and go back home this afternoon. You guys know that I really like to answer any question that comes up. I would certainly like to continue but there have just been too many new pages to keep up with. If I could ask a favor please...Would it be possible to re-ask any questions that were meant for me and/or Lee AND me over the last week. Hunting them down would take a little too long. Thanks so much. I will start to answer them tomorrow, back at my desk in San Diego. See you then.. |
SM 10.04.2019 20:10 |
Mr.Thor and Mr.Lee I saw you both on Villiers live today. I saw her go on live and I thought perhaps she was doing another informational report but I was pleased to see her talking with the two of you. You both look great. She said it was the wi fi connect that stopped it from working before? I heard one of you say you are borrowing wi fi from your neighbor and if I can make a suggestion for a better connection turn off all other devices in your home while doing it and place yourselves as close to that neighbor's home as possible. Sit next to the wall you share with that neighbor and you should have an even better connection. I could hear and see you but there was a few times when the audio broke just a bit. Could you please post here when the Q&A with you two will be done? I do not want to miss it. |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 20:52 |
How do you get access to watch that live interview. |
doughnut 10.04.2019 20:58 |
Hi Shaun good to see you on here. I too saw Lee and Thor on Villers live. Cheyman do you have instagram ? Thor I would like to know what Joe was like if possible. He seemed like such a good , loyal person in Freddies life and we know so little about him. Did he have a good sense of humour etc |
CHEVYMAN 10.04.2019 21:15 |
Doughnut, I have insta |
Villiers2 10.04.2019 21:55 |
Hey yall, someone messaged and asked what my Instagram and YouTube links are and I can't seem to get messages here to send, so my Instagram name is @Queen_Memes.KL and the YouTube channel is in our Instagram page bio. If you want to attend the Q&A with Thor and Lee live as it's happening, you would need to join in on Instagram by clicking the "live" icon at the top left of our page. We still have not picked a date and time for it yet, so you haven't missed anything but the tech check for audio so far. If there are any questions you want them to consider for it, and you don't have an Instagram account and plan to watch through YouTube, you can email them to me at queenmemes.kl@gmail.com For everyone who does have an Instagram page and has something they'd like the boys the answer, keep your eyes peeled in the next few days and be sure to check our story daily. I will be opening questions for everyone to send in for them. I'll let the boys look them over and pick what theyd like to cover and we'll work from that. It was a pleasure seeing yall today. Both with genuine smiles from ear to ear. No wonder Freddie made you family. Talk to you soon! |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 21:56 |
Thank you, NotQuiteAShilling for that link. I will check it out with baited breath and a bath tub of ice in readiness! LOL Nice to see Shaun still in contact. I hope he pipes in whenever he can. Love his contributions. Thank you all for accepting my admittedly quirky sense of humour! Some people find it hard to fathom, but asking me not to express it is like asking someone not to scratch an itch! Very difficult! .:-) Yes, Doughnut, I too get a seriously dangerous case if the sniggers at Fanny Pack! When I first heard it I thought I was going mad, and actually went through the process of twirling a finger in my ear to check if I'd miss heard! LOL! As the old saying goes Britain and America divided by a common language! Mind you, in the West Midlands we share a trait which seems unique England. We call our Mothers "Mom". In most if the UK it seems to none "Mum" ! I'm pretty sure that !isn't of the US.A.you call your mother's Mom ?! Yes, Freddie's "chest wig" is a thing of beauty as is the line of hair leading south. The Treasure Trail as it's popularly named! :-) Yet again.I missed a Villiers chat! Damn! Will look forward to seeing it on YouTube! Hope you are both in good health and spirits, Thor and Lee! Hope we all had a good day. I'm you yawning my head off. Sign of decrepitude! Bye for now, peeps! |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 22:14 |
BTW in my experience, eBay goodies are usually quick to arrive , but it is entirely dependent on the seller and their speed of dispatch and method of amiling. Even good from China rarely take longer than 4 weeks from China to England. And yes, The Virtuoso In the Closet books are fabulous and a really sensitively treated way if treating a fictionalised version of what must gave been a very difficult, exciting, yet fraught pick stood if Freddie's) George's life. I look forward to the next installment! I'm lucky enough to have bought a copy of the first run of copieof Peter Freestone's Freddie book which was at the time titled Mr. Mercury : An Appreciation. It actually shows the Matisse picture which Freddie quickly dud firms both Peter and Joe! Bless! Love Peter's genuine love and admiration for our lovely Freddie. |
The Black Queen's Kid 10.04.2019 22:40 |
I ended up buying Phoebe's book through the Amazon UK site since the U.S. Site has it for a gazillion dollars from 3rd party sellers that would likely take my money and send me a box of cat food. It will take a while to arrive, no doubt, but I really want to read the real deal. I was one of the idiots who bought a number of "bogus" biographies from parasites before I found this forum and learned who was trustworthy. I left reviews for the tabloid crap that will hopefully let others know to skip those books. |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 23:04 |
Hey. The Black Queen's Kid, most of us have been there, fpdinecthat )0(and in my case bought the t shirt !): Freddie's name attached to anything I'd like a Hot Button To Buy trigger to me. It's hard wired into my DNA ("hey, hey, hey hey.., it was the D.N.A. !") I think most of us true fans after a short length of dedicated time learn to separate the wheat from the chaff regarding Freddie facts from folklore and fiction! I often read so called official facts and scoff at them , whilst rolling my eyes dramatically! Peter Freestone and Davis Evans and Minns as well and (in the most part) Jim Hutton.s books are, for me, the most reliable. I quite like Mark Blake as a Queen biographer. NotQuiteAShiling, my 50 Shades subscription is "pending"! They are seeing if I'm "adult" enough to join their group. When they discover how childish I am, they'll probably rescind their consideration! LOL! Bought another Freddie pin tonight's! Freddie doffing his Magic Tour Crown ! |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 23:05 |
BTW does anyone else find Freddie's dimples tonbecthe CUTEST things? |
FreddieDarling 10.04.2019 23:08 |
Read a previous message from me! What utter gobbledygook! I I apologize! I must hire a proof reader! It sounds like barely legible nonesence! Damn it to hell in a hand basket! Grrrrrrr! |
The Black Queen's Kid 10.04.2019 23:42 |
Freddie, just say you were in the Stoli again. Several shots of vodka excuses most things. *smooches* |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.04.2019 23:49 |
The Black Queen's kid - that is exactly why I used Ebay - it was $35 where is was $HUNDREDS on Amazon. So worth the wait. And yes I've been suckered too - got an autographed photo of Freddie that has been OFFICIALLY VERIFIED and AUTHENTICATED as a copy of his signature LOLOLOLOL I'm glad you left comments for the crap books! |
emdee0809 10.04.2019 23:56 |
It's really tough when you work all day and when you get to the forum - you find yourself 4 pages behind. First - didn't realize this might be bad for my credit card. Etsy,eBay,zulily - all places I have been before - but haven't yet searched for Freddie items. Could be costly -yikes!! Disappointed I didn't get to hear the live with Thor and Lee - times don't always match my availability. Would have loved to hear the voices that go along with the faces. I see a lot of comments about how good they look - jealous to all who got to see them. Really enjoying the Freddie fantasies. Amazing what we see in him - can't disagree with anyone!! Pop, mom, pants - all a part of my vocabulary. Glad to see some things are universal. The British invasion of the 60's (yes showing my age) made me fall in love with the Brits and their adorable "accents". (Hope no one offended by the word adorable) My dream has always been to visit London. Probably never happen - but I can dream. Downton Abbey and The Crown - some of my favorite TV shows. SM - glad you are still around Lee and Thor - do you still need donations on the gofundme account? |
NeverTooLate 11.04.2019 00:31 |
I purchased both of Peter Freestone's books on Amazon and got the ebook versions. Both were quick reads. In addition I read Peter "Ratty" Hince's ebook, Jim Hutton's ebook, and still have David Evans/David Minn's ebook to read. |
emdee0809 11.04.2019 00:43 |
Just purchased Virtuoso in the Closet for the kindle - good price - looking forward to reading it. |
Blenkolove 11.04.2019 01:37 |
You are ALL so endearing!!! Like 'em'....i had many pages to catch up on following a busy hump-day at work!!! But reading your commentaries helps me unwind from a hectic work enviornment.....so I Thank You All for that!! (pun intended) The banter on idioms, colloquialisms, vernacular, and/or verbal expressions (since we have a Few teachers on this site...you will be able to identify which term fits the best here!!!)....has always fascinated me. In the local area where I reside ....we call the food store...the Grocery store....ie on fridays I go shopping for groceries. I've had friends from northern states call it the 'food store' or even supermarket. We call carbonated beverages soda...but many 'northerners' here say Pop. I, also, am a lover of English, Australian, Irish and Scottish brogues. I am of Welsh/Irish heritage....so maybe that's why I adore them so!!?? Lol I also adore a dry, sarcastic, self-depreciating wit!! British comedies do this soooo well!!!!! Freddie's humor had this....in spades!!! And while I DO like to listen to Roger and Brian in interviews.. ..it's 100% more enjoyable and soothing to listen to Freddie's voice, tenor, cadence and even the sibilant pronunciations that his overbite created! I have listened to his interviews on YT OODLES of times....but my absolute favorite way to listen to him is with my ear buds in, volume turned on high ......i literally close my eyes and drift off to a place that resembles, physically and mentally the same place meditation takes me!!!! .....i realize that sounds weird....but for me, it's true!!!! One morning a few months ago, I woke up with one of the worst headaches I have ever had! I popped a few Tylenol, but HAD to go to work with this monster on my head. I was sensitive to light and sound, my head pounding.....i couldn't even watch my regular morning news show. However, I got in my car made my way to work.....my head was aching so bad that all I wanted to do was get to work and get the day over with so I could go back to bed and nurse my throbbing skull. I was waiting at a red light that was taking forever to change when I reached over to my audio unit's volume button and Blasted my Freddie CD. It was the song...'Don't try so Hard' (which is a new discovery for me...AND my new mantra!!!). I completed my ride with Freddie's music turned to full volume!! It doesnt make any sense to me as i was sooo light and sound sensitive...but 15 mins later I pulled into my office...and Viola!....my head was becoming manageable. ...You may think to yourself that it was the Tylenol, and maybe it was(Tylenol, for me, usually takes quite a while to start working)....but to me it was some Medicinal effect of Freddie's voice!!!!!!!!! For some unknown reason.......the sound of Freddie's voice Centers me. If I could......i would love to watch brain scans while Freddie's/Queen music is being played.....including soft volume contrasted with FULL volume!!! I suspect that some significant areas of the brain may Light Up like an inferno!!!! Anyone else experience a Medicinal Effect from Mr Mercury????? |
Katydyd5 11.04.2019 02:07 |
NeverTooLate, the Minns/Evans book is one of my favorites. I think you will enjoy it. |
NeverTooLate 11.04.2019 02:53 |
Thanks Katydyd! So far I've enjoyed each of the books I've read, although Jim Hutton's book ranks in the top spot for me right now. I'm looking forward to starting the Davids' book. Each one feels like a present and I start to get sad when I near the end because of course the end never changes and it can only be a short visit to the past. On a completely different note, just watched a Queen documentary I hadn't seen before called "They Will Rock You" 1984, a combo of interviews from the band members interspersed with concert footage and video footage. From one or more shows in Paris I believe as there are french subtitles. This was right after they came out of a break where they worked on individual projects. |
NotQuiteAShilling 11.04.2019 03:48 |
BlenkoLove - that is amazing!! I think they did a study recently that showed that people listening to Don't Stop Me Now lit up in the "happy center" of the brain. Don't Try So Hard is my mantra too! Trying to break down those nasty self imposed over achiever tendencies. Isn't that song just so incredibly beautiful?? SM - so happy to see you back on here. I hope you give us another chance... Villiers - you are a goddess! I'm so bummed I missed today's live, but you are my hero for getting everything working so that very soon we can all "meet" Thor and Lee "in person"! Freddie Darling - Treasure Trail. Path to Paradise. Potato Patatah LOL |
thundergod 11.04.2019 04:09 |
Just got home after my second flat tire. One tire (only six months old) blew out on Saturday on the way to Lees house. It took 3 hours and four phone calls to finally get the emergency assistance company to get the tire changed. I would have done it myself but I was stuck in what is called the most windy corridor in all of Palm Springs on a gravel road shoulder and leaning into a slight angle. Today, after driving 120 miles from Lee's and 10 miles from my house, the second six month old tire blew out. I could not believe my BAD luck. I had my car towed from the highway and deposited right at the front door of the Goodyear Tire store where I had bought both of these tires. They will get a few choice words from me tomorrow. |
lsg 11.04.2019 04:19 |
NeverTooLate wrote: I purchased both of Peter Freestone's books on Amazon and got the ebook versions. Both were quick reads. In addition I read Peter "Ratty" Hince's ebook, Jim Hutton's ebook, and still have David Evans/David Minn's ebook to read.Hi NeverTooLate, I read them all and enjoyed all the different perspectives. Although Ratty Hines book was based on roadie life, I found myself laughing the whole way thru. Ratty is funny, and he does give funny Queen memories, but Rattys own memories are just as funny. Now David Minns book was another story. You can sense the love there, yet bitterness at the same time. Great books. Enjoy! |
lsg 11.04.2019 04:27 |
thundergod wrote: Just got home after my second flat tire. One tire (only six months old) blew out on Saturday on the way to Lees house. It took 3 hours and four phone calls to finally get the emergency assistance company to get the tire changed. I would have done it myself but I was stuck in what is called the most windy corridor in all of Palm Springs on a gravel road shoulder and leaning into a slight angle. Today, after driving 120 miles from Lee's and 10 miles from my house, the second six month old tire blew out. I could not believe my BAD luck. I had my car towed from the highway and deposited right at the front door of the Goodyear Tire store where I had bought both of these tires. They will get a few choice words from me tomorrow.Oh Thor, I feel for ya buddy. I used to work in a corporate office with maybe 3,000 employees. The company had an employee discount for the tire place 1/4 up the road. Every week or month I got a flat, whether old tire or new tire replaced due to the flat. This went on for a couple years. I finally, after “Going Slightly Mad” came to the conclusion I was a tire-slasher in a past life and now getting a comeuppance. Come to find out the tire place (after hours) were sprinkling screws in our parking lots all along as well on the main road that we pulled out the lot from. Work finally activated video and found the culprit. Not saying that’s what’s happening to you, but its such a drag, waste of time and money, and how you feel. |
Jo T. 11.04.2019 04:31 |
Thor, that's too bad! I'm glad you eventually made it home safely. I hope you have a warranty on those tires. Pour yourself a tall one and go to bed early. You seem to be a generally laid-back man, but when you DO get mad . . . . . Give Goodyear hell tomorrow! I'll save my post and question for another night! |
thundergod 11.04.2019 05:19 |
Thank you Lsgp03 for empathizing with me and thank you Jo T. for your great medical treatment suggestion I will raise my glass to you!...well, maybe one time for each of you...LOL |
thundergod 11.04.2019 05:19 |
Thank you Lsgp03 for empathizing with me and thank you Jo T. for your great medical treatment suggestion I will raise my glass to you!...well, maybe one time for each of you...LOL |
thundergod 11.04.2019 05:20 |
Wow...a double post for a double shot...it's fate! |
doughnut 11.04.2019 07:22 |
Welcome home thor and welcome back here , we missed you Quick message as I'm off to work today Thor I asked about joe f , he seemed so no e and loyal. What was he like ? My fav interview is Freddie talking about the sex pistols and sid vicious. I love that Freddie got one over on him. Freddie expression during the interview is priceless. Did he ever mention this to you guys Freddie darling I have a fee!ing you will enjoy fifty shades lol. Let us know We are a talkative bunch now lol Bye for now |
thundergod 11.04.2019 07:45 |
Hey Doughnut, As Joe Fanelli did not accompany Freddie during his time in New York (1981-1983) I did not get to know him outside of the times Lee and I traveled to London which was well after we had become very close with Freddie and Phoebe. He was a perfect gentleman and was very friendly to us, Also, he was very hard-working in the kitchen and took his job quite seriously. Joe F. even escorted us to twice to the, then popular, Copa disco in the Earl's Court district. Freddie, unfortunately would never go out to gay clubs with us in London...he really couldn't. Joe F. spoke very intelligently, was entertaining with some very witty stories and brought a pleasant harmony to the residents and guests of the Garden Lodge. |
FreddieDarling 11.04.2019 08:16 |
LOL@Black Queen's Kid Yeah! I should blame the alcohol for my crappy typing and even worse proof reading! In my case scotch whisky, which I enjoy very much! Neat with maybe a rock or two! Poor Thor! I am sorry you suffered the problems of travel frustrations! I'll bet you were tired after all that. I got stuck in grid locked traffic around Birmingham city centre a couple of weeks ago. 40 minutes to travel less than a mile! Had a humongous headache after that. Blenkolovepp I'm totally with you regarding Freddie's voice. His deep, rich voice both stimulates me and soothes me. It's like pouring honey over butterscotch! Heaven! I love the harmonic, vibrato qualities (if these are the correct terms) of his medium range singing. There is NOTHING to compare to this man's voice, either speaking or singing. And yes that hint of sibilance is adorable! Doughnut! I was accepted by the 50 Shades of Freddie site! *Phew*! Those ladies are some dirty birdies! LOL! Makes my little day dreams seem tame! :-) was fun, though, and nicec to visit a place where everyone loves Freddie. I remember in Champions of my The World documentary they visited Queens office in Pembroke Road and Jacky Gunn/Smith was showing a scrap book of things they'd been sent , and one was a letter from a lady saying she's like to tie Freddie bed and do all sorts of things to him. I imagine Freddie hoooted with laughter at it! LOL! Gotta go. Work, work, work! See you soon, my lovely peeps! Have a brilliant Thursday! |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 11:59 |
Thor, your luck sounds about like mine I dont have tire luck either. I live in the country so it's real rough on the tires. |
NotQuiteAShilling 11.04.2019 14:50 |
Oh Thor that is terrible! 3 hours??? Man oh man. Give 'em hell at Goodyear |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 15:07 |
I bet that game is alot of fun but they can get a little too dirty.Its one thing to comment on a costume but another to fantasize sexually on someone I personally want the real deal always so I guess I dont have much of an imagination.But they say those role play games are loads of fun.I have to admit being tied up is kinda old school I bet there is much more exciting things than that to fantasize about.Dont get me wrong I believe Freddoe was a attractive man I just could not see myself going there.Hes not my type.I think I admire his othEr qualities more most ladies would say I'm nuts. |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 15:12 |
Who are the sex pistols? |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 11.04.2019 17:30 |
Oh no! I know what stretch of road you're talking about, Thor and you cannot change a tire there. I can't believe it was only 6 months old. Give them hell! Do you remember if Joe had an English accent? In video I've seen it appears he did slightly, despite being from Massachusetts (my home state). He lived there for a while so maybe he developed one. |
thundergod 11.04.2019 17:49 |
Hey SweetandTender, Yes, that is one of the WORST stretches of road in all of Southern California. It's called Hwy 111. AAA had ridiculous amounts of trouble determining my location despite it being the first exit from the west on I-10 Freeway (exit 111..dah?)to Palm Springs with only perhaps a 10 mile stretch, with only ONE possible cross street and approximately 2 miles from a major city, North Palm Springs All this, not to mention that I was the only disabled car. They could have gone up and down that road 20 times over in the three hours that I had to wait for them. Joe F. did have a slight English accent (from which region of the U.K?... I have no idea.) That last accent discussion had me so confused. It seems as if people whose families have always lived across the street from each other could have different regional accents. How did that ever happen? |
thundergod 11.04.2019 17:52 |
But it was odd to us how a boy from the U.S. could or would develop a different accent. |
doughnut 11.04.2019 18:07 |
That's an interesting question SweetandTender as he may well have picked up a bit of an accent from living here. I swear that during Freddie's NYC times he had picked up a bit of an american accent. I can hear it when he says 'are you ready brothers and sisters' before playing 'somebody to love' from that era. Chevyman the Sex Pistols were a British punk band and there was supposed to be a bit of contention between them. Have a little search on google and you will find lots of info. Freddiedarling I recall Jacky Gunn and the letter to Freddie, I'm sure there were many fan letters sent like that lol. 50 shades ...yep dirty birdies...i just like looking at all the lovely Freddie photos. I am trying to teach my 11 year old daughter that a hairy chest is the best but she isnt buying it lol . Blenkolove...what is a hump day? sounds a bit naughty he he he I am glad to like our humour, I have a dry sense of humour . I too could listen to Freddie either talk or sing all day. emdee no worries about using adorable, its nice and not offensive at all. I am sure you would love London. I was in London for a few drinks and a meal recently and it always make me remember how fab it is. The houses of Parliament , Tower of London and other such places are an amazing part of our heritage. I would also like to visit America but it is just too expensive. Thor thank you for your reply. Joe sounded a lovely, hardworking and loyal guy. Freddie was very lucky. I have another question and its about you if ok. You mention that you are still close to Brandon, I wondered if there has been anyone else close in your life since or has noone been able to replace Brandon? peace out |
doughnut 11.04.2019 18:15 |
Thor in the UK we have counties and each county has its own accent. It's very confusing I know. I am in the county of Essex bordering East London so I have an essex/londonish accent. People who live in the north of the country we tend to call Northeners and for those in the south, southerners . There is the North/South divide lol. It tends to be cheaper to live in the north of the UK and more expensive down South. |
doughnut 11.04.2019 18:32 |
Thor sorry I meant to also ask you another question. Could Freddie not go to the gay clubs with you in London even before he became poorly? I know Phoebe seems to indicate he went to the London Gay clubs but perhaps by 1986 he was getting too famous and he would have stood out. |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 18:44 |
I looked up sex pistols doughnut they are disgusting blood everywhere what the hell not my style for sure wasnt he accused of killing his girlfriend wow interesting! |
emdee0809 11.04.2019 19:10 |
Thor - sorry to hear about you tires nothing more frustrating - but on a positive note - if it was going to happen better within hours then days or weeks - hopefully, you got more than two tires out of the deal!! Hump day - what we look forward to in the work week - Wednesday - two days closer to the weekend!! Chevyman - don't think I want to google Sex Pistols:) |
FreddieDarling 11.04.2019 19:13 |
Chevyman. I have absolutely imagination to speak of, so my contributions would tend to be on the take side. As for being tied up! No thanks! I hate to be our of control. According to Phoebe Freddie, for a short period,purposely adopted a "mid Atlantic" accent when it suited his purposes. Sometimes I think some people in the UK purposely strengthen their regional accent as almost a badge of honour. Some to the extent that even people from their own area struggle to comprehend them. I was once on a ghost walk in a park in the Black Country area of the West Midlands and my friend kept having to translate what the man who had a broad Blackcountry accents was saying. I understood about 6 words out of every 10 and I live a stones throw from the border of the area! They have different words for things as well as different pronunciation. Punk was about a 2 year wonder really. Hyped up out of all expectations by idiot media like NME. All hot air and no substance! They were just after triggering a shock reaction, really. Going to go have my tea now. Bye for now, peeps. |
FreddieDarling 11.04.2019 19:14 |
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FreddieDarling 11.04.2019 19:16 |
Absolutely imagination should have read absolutely NO imagination*sigh* |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 19:29 |
Emdee, They were back in the sixties so I wasnt real familiar with them at all but the lead singer was terrible no manners and I guess no class.I guess Freddie was gonna teach him how to be classy and cool .But sid ended up and overdosed I believe on heroin .His own mom is the one who gave it to him no wonder the poor guy had problems. |
doughnut 11.04.2019 19:45 |
chevyman Sex Pistols formed in 1975, I grew up listening to them as I have an older brother who was into them. They really weren't that bad lol. They were just trying to be different and stand out and did it in a crazy way with new style music. I hated the punk era . drugs was a big thing in those days, actually it still is now , it never goes away. Personally the thought of sticking a needle in my vein isn't appealing at all. Loads of them were probably on drugs back then. I like hump day, I think I will adopt it for myself :) Freddiedarling I call it 'dinner' lol |
doughnut 11.04.2019 20:01 |
link Listen to this..Freddie only vocals on 'Lovebody to Love' . amazing |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 20:40 |
Oh I thought it said in sixties maybe they were born in sixties it makes since If they formed in 1975 I hadn't heard of them I was born in 1973.Thank you I just found Sids story kind of sad such a talented young man and his life was cut so short. |
FreddieDarling 11.04.2019 21:05 |
Doughnut I waver between calling it tea or dinner depending what it is. It was 302 slices of wholemeal toast spread with Clover, so I think "dinner" would be over stating it! LOL Hump Day!?! :-) I'm all over that! :-D My Stickies are settling in nicely. Bless their slender hearts! |
FreddieDarling 11.04.2019 21:07 |
We LOL! No I didn't eat 302 slices of toast! Sounds like an eating challenge! It was _2_ slices of toast! :-D |
NotQuiteAShilling 11.04.2019 21:46 |
We call Wednesday "hump" day because you have gotten over the middle of the week, or the "hump" and only 2 days left for the weekend Thor and Sweet and Tender that road sounds horrible. Thor I hope you update us on what you got from Goodyear. I am hoping you got 4 new tires |
doughnut 11.04.2019 21:51 |
we spell tires ' Tyres' lol Freddiedarling I did think 'omg you ate that much toast ' lol Can you show us a photo of your stickies ? Chevyman I too was born in 1973 |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 21:54 |
Tire problems are a drag If tires are new you shouldnt have to deal with those kind of issues.That would upset me too and the fact I would be one of those ladies waiting for a guy to change my tire I dont know how. |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 21:59 |
What month doughnut |
The Black Queen's Kid 11.04.2019 22:06 |
Thor and Lee, I sent you gentlemen a PM. I hope that's OK. |
FreddieDarling 11.04.2019 22:08 |
Doughnut. Well at present my stickies are babies so wouldn't photograph well, but here is a photonic what they'll look like as adults. Like Pickett in Fantastic Beasts! :-) |
The Black Queen's Kid 11.04.2019 22:19 |
I received my copy of Peter Freestone's book from Amazon UK today. It took a few weeks, but the item arrived in good shape (and wasn't a box of cat food or Rice Krispies). For anyone seeking a copy of the book I recommend Amazon UK. |
CHEVYMAN 11.04.2019 22:24 |
That book is awesome you will enjoy the read. |
Blenkolove 12.04.2019 00:56 |
I, too was thinking 302 pieces of toast!!!!!???? Boy! That girl is Really Hungry!!! I wonder how many loaves that would be???....... Are you sure your not nipping at that whiskey??? Too funny! |
emdee0809 12.04.2019 01:20 |
Glad everyone is enjoying hump day - it's one day past hump day although the time stamp on these posts says it's Friday - I guess it's Friday somewhere - Happy Friday everyone!! I was just checking prices on some of the books on Amazon US - paperback prices vary - some are outrageous! I tried to order the Royal Recipes cookbook Katydyd5 recommended from Amazon UK - wouldn't deliver to the US FreddieDarling - I don't think I've seen "stickies" before - thanks for sharing doughnut - also thanks for sharing the youtube of Somebody to Love - perfect way to end the evening |
thundergod 12.04.2019 01:45 |
You are correct doughnut about Freddie not able to go to the gay clubs in and after 1986...Just too much paparazzi interest in his ever movement. Physically, he could easily have gone out in 1986 to 1989 but apparently the tabloids are even more cruel than their American counterparts. And who could forget the shameless French and English paparazzi surrounding Princess Di. |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 04:21 |
LOL@Blenkolove. Yeah, very hungry! But, like the Very hungry Caterpillar, I'm only eating a hole through the centre of each slice! :-) Dear, me! You would think that Is been at the whisky, but that was later, honest !! Black Queen's Kid, you have there, for me, the definitive Go-To book on Freddie's life. For me it has the edge on Jim's as it was written by TWO of Freddie's good friends. Don't get me wrong, I love Jim's book, but I feel that Tim Wapshott did push him into certain directions which he thought would make the book sell more copies. Details which were private and should have remained between the people (i.e. Jim and Freddie) saying that, the affection from Jim's POV shone through like a beacon. Thank you for liking my stick insects. They are Indian red legged variety. They don't DO much but they're quite sweet, and I love the way they move. Have a great Friday my friends. Can you "Smell" the weekend???!!! |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 04:28 |
P.S. Yes, our (Britain's) tabloid hacks are the worst in the world! They are verminous arasites, totally without soul of conscience who don't give a damn about how their words and pictures affect their subject but only care for their cheap page lead. Truth or lies?! Doesn't matter to them as long as the headline grabs people's attention. I blame the idiots who buy so many copies, too, for encouraging their salacious, thoughtless pursuit of people. Sickening! Brian May has said that the tabloid press hounded Freddie toward his death. They gave him no peace. Loathesome. How these people sleep at night beggars belief I'll step off the soap box now! Anyone else need to hop up on it ?! |
doughnut 12.04.2019 06:56 |
Thor, yep as Freddiedarling has said, the press were awful. Princess Di was hounded and we know how that ended up. Did Freddie get to take you to any of his fav restaurants? actually thinking about it I seem to remember a story where you and Lee had to sneak Freddie out of the house?? Chevyman January happy friday....it is at least in the uk :) |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 11:37 |
Doughnut , I was born In june doughnut that was a great year as I remember it.Yes those idiot reporters were camping out and even flashed pics of Freddie's parents as they came to their sons house after he passed things were hard enough for them without the unwanted hounding of these disrespectful people.It shows you what kind of morals our countries have even back in 1991.Everyone was so upset they couldnt even mourn without having to go on television to defend Freddie about terrible gossip that was going around after his death.And that article written about Freddie saying those terrible things about him and Aids and punishment I hope his parents never read that. |
doughnut 12.04.2019 17:10 |
freddiedarling love your stickie Someone watched an old concert the other day 'we rock the world' . Could you share the link :) sorry I can't remember who it was :) Lee/Thor tell us something fun about Freddie :) |
NotQuiteAShilling 12.04.2019 17:53 |
Does anyone remember the Don Henley song Dirty Laundry? It talks about the press and is so good: "We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blond Who comes on at five She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye It's interesting when people die Give us dirty laundry..." Someone posted the hard to watch video of Roger and Brian on a British morning show one week after Freddie died recently. I had this song going through my head the entire time as I watched it! How the HECK did they think it was appropriate to have some idiot magician on with them who was making inappropriate snarky comments??? What were they thinking?? A legend, an ICON has just left this world and you are interviewing 2 of his band mates and friends - hey let's have a magician join the discussion...HUH???? My turn at the soapbox LOL. Next?.... |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 18:25 |
link Don't you all LOVE this charm bracelet?! I think I'd call it a charism bracelet as it has _2_Freddies! . I adore Freddie! He is the icing on my cake! Bless his Persian soul! |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 18:25 |
*charisma |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 18:47 |
No I don't recall the song, but the lyrics are very apt! Yes, having Paul Daniels on the same interview session as Roger and Brian 10 days after they lost their dear friend was callous, thoughtless, and lacking in taste. He showed no respect or compassion about the loss if Freddie. I'm surprised that Roger held it together and didn't storm off. I though that they were very courageous to go and do that interview so shortly after they lost Freddie. Roger looked on the verge of tears. The interviewer was confrontational and rude and blatantly homophobic. Wouldn't get away with it nowadays. OK the Soap Box is vacant again..... |
Selkie 12.04.2019 18:48 |
Hello everyone! I have been here for quite a while honestly (this time around), just reading and trying to catch up with everything. I'd get there and then a few days later I've fallen behind again! So I'm finally attempting to post and hoping I'll be able to maintain and be part of the conversation. Queen has been a part of my life for my entire life really. I was born in the 70's and had teenage siblings who were listening and there it began and continues to this day. I was 15 when Freddie passed and I was heartbroken. I know teenagers tend to feel things more dramatically but it really has always been a loss that stuck with me. I also lost my older sister the year before in a very tragic way. And this leads me to what I really love about this particular thread. Every year when it comes to the anniversary of my sister's death people tend to focus so much on how she died. A few years ago, I pleaded, please stop! Tell me stories and memories you've had of her. Talk about her life! It has been so awesome to have you, Thor and Lee, sharing these stories about Freddie. I am excited for your book and the live with Villers! |
doughnut 12.04.2019 18:50 |
notquiteashilling ...that magician was Paul Daniels and as Roger has said since 'wanker' lol . I grew up with his magic lol. It was never my cup of tea :) That interview is a hard watch as you can see how devastated they are. I was just happy to see them tell the world on UK TV Freddie was gay and that the lovely Joe, Peter and Jim had loved after Freddie. Can't ask more than that. I will google that song :) |
doughnut 12.04.2019 18:55 |
welcome selkie... I have had a few glasses of wine so I have forgot what you said but we welcome you here and we hope you enjoy your time here. Freddiedarling that is a fantastic charm bracelet , are you going to buy it ? |
doughnut 12.04.2019 18:58 |
I have just gone back and read. I am so sorry to hear about your sister. I was 18 when Freddie died and although I don't remember it, I do remember him in his famous yellow Magic Tour jacket as my sister is 12 years old than me and loved queen. They must have shown the magic tour on TV at the time as I remember him clearly |
doughnut 12.04.2019 18:58 |
I have just gone back and read. I am so sorry to hear about your sister. I was 18 when Freddie died and although I don't remember it, I do remember him in his famous yellow Magic Tour jacket as my sister is 12 years old than me and loved queen. They must have shown the magic tour on TV at the time as I remember him clearly |
Selkie 12.04.2019 19:14 |
Thank you doughnut! It's funny because I cannot place when I saw the Live Aid performance for the first time. I was 9 years old and I have memories of my family watching, but I don't know if Queen's performance was included in that. I have very clear memories of the Freddie Tribute concert though. |
doughnut 12.04.2019 19:19 |
selkie I can't watch the tribute concert. I can't bear to see the sadness all these years later and watch other people sing queen songs. However, I have listened to the fab George Michael sing 'somebody to love' . No one else could have sung it better. I was 13 when Live Aid happened but I remember it. It was such a big event . |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 19:44 |
Doughnut, wine sounds so good I have to watch what I drink because of my meds.I still drink ocassionally though. I definitely dont drink like I used too.I really would like To have some really cold tomato juice and a beer it taste so good.It creeps up on you though. |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 19:45 |
Selkie... I am sorry that you lost your sister. You have my deepest empathy. No don't think I'm going to buy the charm bracelet, Doughnut. I just lost out on a 7" interchangeable face/hands Neca Freddie figure though. Pipped in the final 5 seconds! :-( Gotta save my money to buy me a Betty Boop t-shirt at my Mercury Tribute Concert on Thursday, anyway. Plus treat my Sis to a curry before the concert. Thursday is Curry Club @Wetherspoons! Off into Birmingham tomorrow! Gonna buy me an African version of you, my dear Doughnut! :-) Nice warm freshly fried Mandazi! Wonder if Freddie ate mandazi's in Zanzibar! ? The proprietors are from Tanzania. So tired! Been up since 4:30 a.m. Completely knackered! Ooh, Brian May is on Midsomer Murders... OK it's only Gwilym Lee! Think I'm a bit punchy! Does it show?! :-/ |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 19:46 |
Chevynan...Oh, God beer and tomato juice sounds like an organic emetic ! :-@ |
FreddieDarling 12.04.2019 19:47 |
*ChevyMan.... Bloody typos! |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 19:53 |
Selkie, Welcome I agree with you 100% it is so exciting you'll hear all the lovely good times he spent with all his friends since we dont know much history outside London thank you guys for talking with us if it weren't for you the fans wouldnt have the opportunity to take part in this wonderful and intrigueing experience of your stories and memories that you hold so dear to your heart. |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 20:08 |
You guys should try it sometime it's really good .Tomato juice just adds a little flavor and salt to the beer.What does bloody typos mean |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:11 |
I don't know about anybody else, but those who keep typing until they are forced to start a new line of type are having their messages cut off somewhat. My message box is small and does not allow my sentences to do that. If I am the only one, no problem, but if it is happening to others as well, may I suggest breaking up long sentences or multiple short sentences so they are sent to the next line. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:15 |
Dear CHEVYMAN, Unless you like to not use punctuation, may I just tell you that your messages are often difficult to follow or req(even voice controlled writing allows for punctuation if you say for example "period" |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:15 |
scratch that |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:18 |
Dear CHEVYMAN, Unless you prefer not to use punctuation, let me just tell you that I often have to read your messages two to three times over to understand what you mean. Even if you must use voice activated typing, if you say "period" after a sentence, a period will follow. Thanks and I certainly am not scolding you...just making a suggestion. I realize that you may NOT be able to manually type. |
koala 12.04.2019 20:19 |
Thor, it's happening to me as well. The full message shows if you zoom out, but then it's a pain trying to read the tiny writing. Thanks for the tip. The site needs a serious technical overhaul - I remember it being exactly the same 15 years ago, and it shows! On the other hand, at least it's here, so I guess we shouldn't complain too much lol. |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 20:21 |
Thor, So nice to hear from you. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:23 |
Thanks koala, Now at least I know it's happening to my favorite (bear) I know, my favorite marsupial, as well. |
koala 12.04.2019 20:24 |
Selkie, a warm welcome from me as well. So nice to see new fans dropping in on a regular basis. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:24 |
Thanks for the "Welcome Back"...if you disagree with my punctuation comment, just tell me...I can handle it. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:25 |
Thank CHEVYMAN, I meant. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:26 |
And from me too Selkie...a BIG WELCOME to you! |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 20:28 |
Koala, It's so nice to see you again sweet heart.Im glad you are back.I sure hop these sentences are sort enough ha! Ha!.I'm also glad to hear from handsome and yes Thor I'm talking about you. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:33 |
So Chevyman, I think you got my comments wrong. Long sentences were causing words to be hidden on the screen. Your punctuation is a different story. From what we know about you, you may not be able to manually type and maybe are using voice-activation typing. That's absolutely fine, but there ARE ways to punctuate just as if it had been manually entered. That's all I was saying. |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 20:37 |
Thor,I value your opinion and if I had a problem I'm not very shy I would tell you.I think you and I are alot alike we have no problem expressing how we feel.Do you have a temper? |
NotQuiteAShilling 12.04.2019 20:39 |
WELCOME Selkie! I am sorry to hear about your sister. I have also had a family member die in a traumatic way at a young age and it is very difficult to get past the "event" itself. I struggle with it too. You are correct though - we should focus on the brightness of their years here, not on the day they left us... Thor - this happened once before with the words running off the page. It seems to be an intermittent thing. Nice to hear from you! Where has Lee hidden himself lately?? |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 20:45 |
My computer is messed up I'm using my phone we are good.I understood what you meant. |
lsg 12.04.2019 20:49 |
Welcome Selkie! Very sorry about your loved one, but glad you arrived here. Love the little universe created with this thread. Maybe Asteroid Freddiemercury 17473 will shoot by |
koala 12.04.2019 20:51 |
Thanks chevy, I appreciate the welcome! Thor, on the subject of koalas...I got the nickname in high school when several people told me that they would choose a koala as my spirit animal. I happily embraced it because I'd always liked koalas. BUT THEN I found out that they are apparently one of the dumbest mammals on Earth (they literally don't recognize eucalyptus leaves unless they're hanging from a branch) and also tend to carry chlamydia. Yikes. So now I'm not entirely sure how to feel about them anymore lol. The nickname has stuck, though, and they ARE adorable, so I've decided to just go with it. |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 20:52 |
Koala, I agree I sure like hearing from you I hope you stay checking in with us doll.I had been reading this thread for a while before joining there are alot of interesting people with different views on topics it's a very interesting place to be. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 20:55 |
Don't worry about Lee...he is HIDING at work! |
koala 12.04.2019 20:57 |
You've hit the nail on the head, chevy. I've been fascinated with this thread ever since I first stumbled across it. Really nice people here, and also very knowledgeable, It can be difficult to follow all the conversations sometimes, but I'll try not to get too lost this time around. |
koala 12.04.2019 21:08 |
Thor, I’ve just thought of a question. After being here all this time and reading the fan conversations about everything Freddie, do you and Lee feel our conceptualization of him as a person is more or less accurate, or is there anything you feel we’re missing or misinterpreting? I’m sure you’d correct any big specific misconceptions, but I’m wondering in terms of a general vibe. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 12.04.2019 21:34 |
I completely forgot that Koalas have Chlamydia! It affects their health quite a bit and it's extremely saddening. They're still cute, however! Thor (and Lee!) I do have a question when you get a chance- did you feel there was a great divide between Freddie the person on stage and Freddie the man off stage? From what I've read it seems to be quite a difference, but it makes sense-we're all a bit different at work, and most of us aren't on stage in front of thousands. |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 21:40 |
Chlamydia?That's a sexually transmitted disease isn't it.How do they get it from other bears? |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 21:44 |
Doughnut, where are you?are you busy ? Check your PM and tell me what you think.I would really value your opinion I may just be taking it wrong.I certainly dont want to get butt hurt for no reason lots of laughs. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 21:45 |
A Fun Freddie story, hummmm...our future publisher won't let us. So, let's leave it as this: F = F, or rather, Freddie Equals Fun! Now someone was worried about my love-life. When Brandon and I split up as a couple after seven years, it did not bother either of us...it was time, way back in 1993. The history about my relationships is as follows #1 Terry Hammond- 1973 to 1975. He was the piano player at Marie's Crisis Café and basically taught me everything I know about Broadway and Opera. We even attended the seven hour, complete, four part, "Der Ring des Nibelungen" by Richard Wagner at New York's Metropolitan Opera House. Not once, but twice within 10 days. SOOO long but really good. The part of Brunhilda was played by a very famous (now deceased) Swedish Opera Star, Birgit Nilsson. I left him, so he did not want to stay friends with me and later moved to Florida. I saw him one time in Ft. Lauderdale at a club where I heard he was playing. #2 Billy Lucia- 1977 to 1978. He lived in Philadelphia and I lived in New York. Because I was a bartender, he assumed I was cheating on him every night. Long distance did not help us stay together. #3 Brian Parisi- 1979 I loved him, he did not love me, dating lasted about eight months. Never saw him again despite trying to connect several times. #4 Brandon Domitrowsky- 1985-1993. Good relationship. What we did best was travel and we traveled around the world or the US about every month. We remain friends to this day although this friendship has become a little strained over the last year...(no comment about this just now) #5 I am currently interviewing for #5. I like thin to moderately built guys who have a good working mastery over masculine traits, are smart, have a good sense of humor and then, above all, KINDNESS. Kindness toward me and toward others (a critical trait). Well...With all THAT...NO WONDER I have been single since 1993!...LOL |
thundergod 12.04.2019 21:49 |
Ha Ha Koala, I think the conceptualizations of Freddie are very accurate. But when it comes to that female on male 50 Shades of Freddie stuff....well, I just sit back and let you all have your fun...LOL |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 21:53 |
Thor,You are such a nice sweet guy no way should you be single. |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 21:56 |
No that game is too weird and I dont like dark headed men.More like Roger Taylor man what I could do to him.Maybe Jennifer Anniston. |
thundergod 12.04.2019 22:01 |
Hey Sweet and Tender, Freddie the performer was 100% dedicated to his thousand and thousands of fans for the duration of ANY show. But, nearly immediately, when the show was over, he easily slipped into Freddie the Friend mode and couldn't wait to be whisked off to the clubs around the US and Canada. Of course however, when In London, he couldn't wait to be whisked off to the Garden Lodge with us in tow. The entertainment, champagne and other party favors would start in the living room or, weather permitting, in the garden itself. |
NotQuiteAShilling 12.04.2019 22:25 |
Thor - what do you mean by "...a good working mastery over masculine traits..." or do I not want to know??? And thanks for the update about Lee, our little workaholic When you guys all went out, Freddie, you, and Lee - I know you said there were not many woman around where you went - but seriously all 3 of you MUST have gotten a ton of female attention. How did you all deal with it? |
CHEVYMAN 12.04.2019 23:01 |
Shilling, My girlfriend in high school would get very angry with me because I would get Male attention and she was what society labels gay.I on the other hand didnt have a preference so I loved male attention she just didnt get it.But I ended up marrying our best guy friend so she didnt handle that well.We had so many fights over guys she thought I was flirting with.She would blow guys off if they hit on her .She was beautiful.Guys liked her but she just didnt like them.I dont get this whole sticking with one specific sex thing.I think a person should be free to love who they want at any particular time. |
Katydyd5 12.04.2019 23:55 |
Welcome Selkie! I'm sorry for the loss of your sister, but I like the way you choose to celebrate her life with good memories. Thor, the sentences were extending off the page one day last week too. I don't think it is a matter of how long the sentence is, but rather something technical with QZ. We are about to find out because I deliberately made this long. Also, Thor, thanks for sharing your romantic history. You are one brave man to do that. Sorry to hear that you and Brandon are a little strained right now. I've always viewed you as one of the few success stories when it comes to maintaining a friendship after the ending of a romantic relationship. Then again, Freddie was able to do that too with Joe. NeverTooLate, did you start reading the Evans/MInns book? After you mentioned that you had just gotten it I decided to reread mine too. I wanted to try to see it as you would, with fresh eyes. |
Katydyd5 13.04.2019 00:09 |
Hey wait a second Thor...……...you just said this: "A Fun Freddie story, hummmm...our future publisher won't let us." Was that a hint of good news????????? |
Saint Jiub 13.04.2019 00:18 |
thundergod wrote: A Fun Freddie story, hummmm...our future publisher won't let us. So, let's leave it as this: F = F, or rather, Freddie Equals Fun! Now someone was worried about my love-life. When Brandon and I split up as a couple after seven years, it did not bother either of us...it was time, way back in 1993. The history about my relationships is as follows #1 Terry Hammond- 1973 to 1975. He was the piano player at Marie's Crisis Café and basically taught me everything I know about Broadway and Opera. We even attended the seven hour, complete, four part, "Der Ring des Nibelungen" by Richard Wagner at New York's Metropolitan Opera House. Not once, but twice within 10 days. SOOO long but really good. The part of Brunhilda was played by a very famous (now deceased) Swedish Opera Star, Birgit Nilsson. I left him, so he did not want to stay friends with me and later moved to Florida. I saw him one time in Ft. Lauderdale at a club where I heard he was playing. #2 Billy Lucia- 1977 to 1978. He lived in Philadelphia and I lived in New York. Because I was a bartender, he assumed I was cheating on him every night. Long distance did not help us stay together. #3 Brian Parisi- 1979 I loved him, he did not love me, dating lasted about eight months. Never saw him again despite trying to connect several times. #4 Brandon Domitrowsky- 1985-1993. Good relationship. What we did best was travel and we traveled around the world or the US about every month. We remain friends to this day although this friendship has become a little strained over the last year...(no comment about this just now) #5 I am currently interviewing for #5. I like thin to moderately built guys who have a good working mastery over masculine traits, are smart, have a good sense of humor and then, above all, KINDNESS. Kindness toward me and toward others (a critical trait). Well...With all THAT...NO WONDER I have been single since 1993!...LOLThis reminds me of a Dave Barry quote that I slightly altered: "A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is NOT a KIND person." |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 01:21 |
Saint, please explain what you mean I'm having a blonde moment. |
emdee0809 13.04.2019 01:22 |
Welcome Selkie!! Keeping memories alive of those we have lost is very important!! Katydyd5- Could you tell me if there are two different Minns/Evans books? The one I have is titled "This Was The Real Life-The Tale of Freddie Mercury" but there is a different one titled "Freddie Mercury: This Is the Real Life" Thor- sounds like you are getting closer to publication- exciting news!! |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 01:26 |
Emdee,Glad to see you sweetie. |
Anniebee 13.04.2019 01:31 |
Hi everyone! Just thought I’d check in since it’s been a while! Looks like you all have been busy, goodness! I haven’t read through it all, I’ll have to take some time to do that since I left off in the 150s. Heck the last few pages have been interesting, chlamydia, koalas and Thor’s love life, oh my! Thor and Lee, I hope all is well with the book! |
emdee0809 13.04.2019 01:48 |
Chevyman- I never even noticed your punctuation- lol- do you think I could talk Thor into becoming an English teacher- he has a good eye!! |
emdee0809 13.04.2019 02:01 |
Clarification- I am just so used to seeing writing with no punctuation, improper grammar, and poor spelling that it doesn't even phase me. Thor - this was a compliment to you!! Forgive me everyone for babbling!! It's the weekend!! Hope everybody has a good one!!! On with the Freddie conversations!! |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 02:17 |
Emdee,I was raised from the time was born till I was thirteen on a Indian reservation.My father was full blood Cherokee Indian so I was taught grammar school at home.By the time I moved to town off reservation I was really behind.I managed to catch up though.Unfortunatly my punctuation was something that wasnt really taught to me well.Its really a different being raised and being schooled in that environement.Im not ashamed those are my blood and my people.Im telling you but I just didnt feel like I needed to explain myself to anyone.But thank you for your kind words sister. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 02:24 |
Emdee,I'm gonna tell you something really funny my mom was a white woman.Her family were full of teachers her grandmother ,mom,and her sister became a teacher isn't that funny.But unfortunately I wasnt around them in my early years. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:25 |
Oh my God..., Please, before Lee reads this, I completely forgot to include Joe Scardilli in my list. Joe S. 1977 to 1978. I met him with his good friend Lee Nolan on my 22nd birthday at a short lived but fantastic club called Ice Palace 57 (on 57th St. of course). Our relationship was fast and furious but it ended in a long term friendship until he was sick and wanted nothing to do with his old friends (brain cancer probably was the reason for this). I will check back if this alters my previous time line. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:27 |
So...move Billy Lucia and Brian Parisi to later dates...sorry to all of them. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:32 |
Not QAS, A good working mastery over masculine traits means a person who acts mostly like a man (yes, in the straight man way) than like a woman (in a feminine way). Sorry if this sounds intolerant but it is just my preference. As a child, I wanted to be a straight boy and act like a straight boy. |
Katydyd5 13.04.2019 02:34 |
Emdee, I'm pretty sure there was only one Evans/Minns book, but I could be wrong. I never use the title because I can never remember it. Were you the one telling me you had just gotten it? I'm sorry if it was you and I directed my comment to NeverTooLate. Either way, I hope anyone reading it really enjoys it. So good to see you Annie! I thought we had lost you. Thor, thanks for the clarification. I thought Joe S. should have been on the list, but what do I know? I always thought he was really cute. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:38 |
Hey Katydyd, Unfortunately, my statement was NOT a hint. It's just that certain people have warned us not to give too much of the book away in this forum! A little late...lol...but as I've said, there is plenty more that you don't know. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:42 |
Oh SURE, Now I'm the fuss-budget who requires good punctuation...thanks y 'all…just kidding! |
Anniebee 13.04.2019 02:43 |
Thanks Katydyd, unfortunately life just got away from me. I traveled to Minneapolis to visit my best friend of 30 years and you know how it goes, your job works you to death before and after vacation. It was a good reset though, sometimes you just need to be with good friends who know you and love you unconditionally! |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:46 |
Welcome back Anniebee...where you been girl! |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:46 |
never mind Anniebee...you just answered that. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 02:47 |
Back to work on my taxes...three days left. See you tomorrow. |
Anniebee 13.04.2019 02:48 |
Thanks Thor! Pretty much work work work traveling work work work lol. You seem to have had some traveling adventures since the last time I was here. I got lucky going to Minneapolis in between blizzards lol. |
emdee0809 13.04.2019 02:51 |
Katydyd5- it appears that they are the same book but published in different years- don't know why the title changed. |
Katydyd5 13.04.2019 02:54 |
Hmmmm, Emdee, I wonder if any more was added to the later edition? I'll have to check my edition tomorrow. I'm too lazy to go downstairs now. |
NeverTooLate 13.04.2019 03:06 |
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NeverTooLate 13.04.2019 03:14 |
I'm so far behind on reading posts, I'm skipping around. On the issue of length of sentences, I noticed sometimes the site doesn't wrap the sentences in posts and then you have to scroll horizontally all the way over to read the rest of what someone posted. I don't know why that happens, as it's not consistent. Perhaps it affects those who are using a mobile or tablet device vs a computer? I use my Mac laptop exclusively and haven't experienced the issue on my own posts. |
NeverTooLate 13.04.2019 03:25 |
Fellow Book Lovers: I'm about to start reading the David Evans/David Minns book. I'm finding I'd really enjoy discussing the various books with folks who have also read them (a mini FM book club, if you will). Any interest in that kind of a discussion? If there's interest I'll start a thread for it. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 03:44 |
I wanna know where these bears get chlamydia.Do they get it from the other bears?. Are you just joking? |
The Black Queen's Kid 13.04.2019 03:49 |
NeverTooLate, that sounds like a good thread. I'm currently reading Peter Freestone's book and have the book you refer to on my Kindle to start next. The thread might also be a way to warn folks about the books that are full of false stories. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 03:51 |
Do they give the bears antibiotics to get rid of the disease?Its been on my mind all evening. |
The Black Queen's Kid 13.04.2019 03:52 |
ChevyMan, my money is on koala orgies being the cause of the problem. |
Jo T. 13.04.2019 03:59 |
@FreddieDarling, how would you classify Brian May’s posh accent? I’m the American who had erroneously referred to Freddie Mercury’s accent as "British accent." CHEVYMAN, I appreciate the explanation of your background. Poor punctation, spelling and grammar certainly do NOT reflect a lack of character or intelligence. My paternal grandmother was illiterate and never received any formal education. BTW, koalas catch chlamydia like humans – through sexual activity, and mothers can pass to babies during delivery or when the joey feeds off its mother. I second your sentiment about Thor. Brava, doughnut! You dared to ask Thor a question many of us wondered but never dared to ask. Your persistence paid off. I thought Thor would completely ignore it, but he practically sent a curriculum vitae (CV) of names and dates! LOL Thor, you crack me up. Should we send pre-qualified applicants your way? I understood what you meant by "good working mastery over masculine traits." You want a gay man - who can change a flat and watches ESPN(+) or a straight man - whose gay. @emdee0809, the date/time stamp of Queenone reflects Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) or Universal Time. It’s the London time zone. QZ is a British Web site. I live in one of the states of the U.S. that falls under the time zone of Eastern Standard Time (EST). GMT is 4 hours ahead of my time. Presently, it’s Fri., 11:58 PM, EST, in my neck of the woods. If I’m correct, QZ shall post a date/time of Sat., 4/13/19, 3:58 AM. |
Jo T. 13.04.2019 04:00 |
@FreddieDarling, how would you classify Brian May’s posh accent? I’m the American who had erroneously referred to Freddie Mercury’s “British accent.” CHEVYMAN, I appreciate the explanation of your background. Poor punctation, spelling and grammar certainly do NOT reflect a lack of character or intelligence. My paternal grandmother was illiterate and never received any formal education. She was born and raised in another country, another culture that devalued females. BTW, koalas catch chlamydia like humans – through sexual activity, and mothers can pass to babies during delivery or when the joey feeds off its mother. I second your sentiment about Thor. Brava, doughnut! You dared to ask Thor a question many of us wondered but never dared to ask. Your persistence paid off. I thought Thor would completely ignore it, but he practically sent a curriculum vitae (CV) of names and dates! LOL Thor, you crack me up. Should we send pre-qualified applicants your way? I understood what you meant by "good working mastery over masculine traits." You want a gay man - who can change a flat and has ESPN(+) or a straight man - whose gay. @emdee0809, the date/time stamp of Queenone reflects Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) or Universal Time. It’s the London time zone. QZ is a British Web site. I live in one of the states of the U.S. that falls under the time zone of Eastern Standard Time (EST). GMT is 4 hours ahead of my time. Presently, it’s Fri., 11:50 PM, EST, in my neck of the woods. If I’m correct, QZ shall post a date/time of Sat., 4/13/19, 3:50 AM. |
Galileo1564 13.04.2019 04:14 |
According to Villiers the version of the David Evans/Minns book to get is the kindle version of This Was the Real Life. David Minns wrote about his relationship with Freddie. This part was published after Minnsy’s death and is only in this version, as of late 2017. I keep telling myself I’d like to read this book “someday” and if we’re going to have a book club thread, then perhaps that day should be now! |
Galileo1564 13.04.2019 04:30 |
ChevyMan, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the koalas are very sick. They have a virus called Koala Retrovirus which causes an AIDS-like illness in some percentage of koalas. And no, this is not a joke. This may be why there is so much chlamydia. Yes, they can be given antibiotics in captivity, and there is a vaccine under development. There’s lots of articles on line if you search. But I’m afraid koalas are really in trouble. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 04:40 |
Jt, The language spoken where I lived was mainly cherokee.I didnt learn to speak English till I was ten.When speaking to my father I still had to address him in the native language.That all changed when I entered middle school I caught up quickly the only thing I really struggled with was my english.When I entered college English composition was hard for me but I passed it.Before I got sick I worked in finance which didnt require me to be much of a grammar scholar.I punched numbers all day for a Toyota car dealership for years. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 04:44 |
Black queen, orgies where the hell that come from. I was talking about bears not humans.I hope your not talking about human's and bears.That one was all me what a sick bitch I am. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 04:48 |
I'm really wasted right now folks I shall say no more. |
NeverTooLate 13.04.2019 04:54 |
It's super late here (almost 1am) so I'll start a dedicated book discussion thread later on Saturday. Time for some ZZzzzzzzz's first. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 05:30 |
Its 12:30a.m. but I'm wide awake I have had 4 beers,a couple of screw drivers.I almost forgot and a few small jello shots.Then A muscle relaxer , sleeping pill,and pain pill.Im wide awake.Stay up all night sleep all day. |
Rainbow61 13.04.2019 06:49 |
Chevy...you need to be careful...that sounds like a dangerous combination! |
FreddieDarling 13.04.2019 06:56 |
Good Morning, folks.... Well, it is here! Chevyman : Bloody typos is bloody typographical errors! I'm cursing both myself, for not proof reading thoroughly enough, and Google for their flipping second-guessing predictive text, which changes my words into ones I certainly didn't want to use and which have NO correlation to the subject at hand! Thor : I'm so glad you mentioned the tiny text issue. I though that it was just me. I've been fannying around with the settings in my tablet, all to no avail. I have an eye condition called Keratoconus, so text as tiny as that results in my nose being practically pressed to the screen in order to read it! I'm relieved it's not me, and the issue seems to have resolved itself again now. Daily Mail and Daily Express keep releasing old archived articles related to Freddie, to use as click-bait for their on-line platform! After the way they all, in the whole, treated this lovely man, they should be made to pay a donation to Mercury Phoenix Trust each time they mention his name! I'm off to Birmingham soon! Hope everyone has a thoroughly lovely day, whatever you're doing. P.S. straw poll..... How many of you like Marmite ? (you do know Marmite, right? The meaty tasting yeast extract spread) I LOVE it! =3 |
mika251 13.04.2019 07:07 |
Good morning you wonderful people :) I would assume that the tiny text issue appears when someone posts a super long webside-link. A have observed it several times in another threads. And I would love to join a book-related thread! Actually Freddie kind o forced me to purchase a kindle because there are many books which are available only in electronic form. So after many years of resistence... There you are. Have a great weekend and enjoy yourselves! |
Rainbow61 13.04.2019 07:27 |
Welcome back Thor… The tire situation was unfortunate...am glad you didn't get hurt. Three hours to get to you though…what was the AAA guy driving…a Model-T? I had a tire blow out many years ago while returning home on my last day of student- teaching. I was about 10 miles from my house. It was in a semi-rural area but there were a few homes and a business nearby. I ended up getting a ride back to town from a guy driving a flat-bed tractor trailer. Nice man…he drove me right to my street. He was married and had a child with special needs that he talked about with great love. I was truly grateful for his help because he had driven out of his way, so I gave him the rest of the chocolate cake the teacher had made for my going-away party as a way to thank him. Question: Was there ever a time when you were out with Freddie and the guys and you all noticed and wanted to talk to the same cute guy? How did that work...rock, paper, scissors? LOL. |
FreddieDarling 13.04.2019 08:05 |
I've noticed there was QUITE a bit if activity last night, which, in catching up with my zeds, I missed Going out shortly so I'll be brief with response to what I have seen.. Yes, NotQuiteAShiling (it WAS you wanting to start a book club thread. Wasn't it?) I'd love a link to your thread if you'd PM me, please ? :-) Jo T. Well I wouldn't really describe Brian May's accent as "posh", certainly he has a quiet, measured, careful speech, but not to extremis. As an example I'll reference the interview in , I think Days If Our Lives documentary where he spoke about contracting hepatitis. He said "I woke up and looked at MESELF, and I was yellow" MESELF is certainly not a word which would lend itself to a "posh" accent. Freddie, probably would ALWAYS say MYSELF. Picky, but ingrained elocution is generally second nature, if it is learned in the formative years of speech development. It's like handedness, an effort would be needed to alter the normal pattern of usage. Freddie only seemed to use what I'll losely call "lazy" speech, i.e. not R.P. when he chose to. Especially in singing to add nuance and a softer edge to a word sound, to give the pronunciation more texture, I feel. Also he seemed to have a period where he thought it would be fun so slip a bit of an American flavour into the way he spoke, but predominantly, his speech seemed to fall very strongly into the R.P. category, I suspect because that was drummed into him at St. Peter's school. When we hear Jer, or Kash speak they don't have Freddie's strongly R.P. _non_-accent, so it wasn't learned at home. That's my take on it, anyway, fir what it's worth. I'm no expert, just a keen observer of humans and all their foibles. :-) BTW, the origins of the word POSH, is reportedly an acronym, derived from the way the upper classes used to experience sea travel on cruise ships, i.e. the BEST way to experience the views, services etc. It supposedly stood for Port Out Starboard Home. Don't know how true that is, but it's one for the pot! As my Nan would say of new information learned "another wrinkle, rub it in" (then she's rub her forearm) Bless her. Miss you, Nan! Have a great day, Peeps. |
doughnut 13.04.2019 09:27 |
morning from the UK My goodness you were all busy last night/day!! I have read all the comments, very interesting. I can't remember who said what so forgive me please. I would also like to join in on a book club thread if there is one. I have been thinking about starting a new thread on here so that we don't clog up Thor/Lee's page with chat. I worry they will miss someones question with our chat. Or maybe I could start a thread entitled 'to talk about anything and everything' lol. I wouldn't say that Brian has a posh accent. I define 'posh' as 'well spoken'. It is all in the pronunciation' ie letters are clearly pronounced. For example the word 'butter'. some when they say it will drop the 'tt' . Try saying it with the 'tt' and without and you will see what I mean. I guess America is the same as you have different accents in the different parts, some seem stronger than others. Thor ---i understand you need to be careful what you say on here. Within minutes of you confirming how you viewed Freddie and Jim's together, it had been copied and pasted and shared onto a 'jim' instagram account. I really am in the wrong job, I should be an investigator as I seem to come across things. Will you have to be careful what you say on the 'live chat'? Oh and Thor I just remembered that I had a little chat with a waitress from your NYC days with Freddie. She said Freddie was so lovely as are you. She said she still has the place mat that Freddie signed for her. You and her e mailed for a while last year. It was me that asked if there was anyone special in your life, I am just a romantic and with all the talk of Freddie always seeming to be looking for love, I wondered if you were the same as you never mention anyone other than Brandon. BTW I'm sorry to hear things are a bit difficult between you. I understand your type , in fact, to me Freddie sounds your type and I guess that is why you approached him all those years ago :) I find I have to use my laptop as my spelling is awful on the kindle. Auto correct is a bloody nightmare and the writing on there is small. I cannot use my i phone to access this group as it says 'not secure'. Apple are pretty hot on security. Last thing, please don't be offended Thor but after I read your thread on chevyman's grammer etc, I felt a little sad. I never judge a person on their spelling etc on here because you just don't know their circumstances. My daughter has learning difficulties so I do get pretty touchy on this kind of thing. She struggles with grammar and layout because of the wiring of her brain. She can't help it. Sadly she isn't going to pass her GCSE exams , she will have to retake English and Maths at college, which she will attend from September, as that is a Government stipulation. She has up to age 18 to pass them so she may end up retaking and retaking if she doesn't pass. anyway have a good day Oh forgot Freddiedarling.....have a great time at the tribute , I'm jealous you are getting a Betty Boo T Shirt. Oh forgot again , just quickly I have read David Minns/David Evans book and it is a fitting tribute to Freddie. Be prepared as the kindle version has been updated with extra from David Minns and he is very very honest about his relationship with Freddie. |
doughnut 13.04.2019 09:39 |
Nevertoolate......yes please do start a discussion about David Minss/David Evans book . Thank you , you came up with a great idea as it's clear we have a lot to talk about on the matter :) |
doughnut 13.04.2019 09:43 |
Jo.T Thank you, I was very brave asking Thor about his love life and I too didn't expect the wonderful response. I thought you were going to ignore the question Thor, I thought I had offended you by asking. Thank god I don't appear to have ......phew. |
mika251 13.04.2019 10:35 |
doughnut wrote: Oh forgot again , just quickly I have read David Minns/David Evans book and it is a fitting tribute to Freddie. Be prepared as the kindle version has been updated with extra from David Minns and he is very very honest about his relationship with Freddie.We should leave discussion about it for the new thread, but anyway, I'm glad you pointed it out because David Minn's part is very insightful and revealing a lot about Freddie's personality in the late 70' s. It just reminded me that he was ... human. I liked it. This part convinced me that I would definitely love to be Freddie's friend, but not his lover :) I wouldn't have enough patience and understanding for him :) |
doughnut 13.04.2019 12:03 |
mika agree. :) |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 13:09 |
Doughnut,Tell your daughter to keep her head up.If I can get through college so can she..I went on a band scholarship not academic.My son was the same way .He is going to college on a wrestling schloarship.Everybody is good at something.He even got to go to Japan and wrestle on a all star team.He is making it I made it and so can she.Thank you for you kind words. |
NeverTooLate 13.04.2019 13:58 |
Book Club thread has been setup. For those who are reading one or more books about Freddie and want to chat with others about any of the books, come join in! link |
Rainbow61 13.04.2019 14:50 |
A very belated welcome to Lsqp, Logan Mews, rennsage, ljm, Shananana, GwenMezroe, and Selkie….apologies to anyone I might have missed! The book discussion group sounds like great fun. For those who are interested in the Evans/Minns book “This Was the Real Life”, you can read several pages of it on Google Books. This might give you an idea if you want it. I thought it looked interesting. link |
emdee0809 13.04.2019 15:09 |
Lots of good reading to catch up on this morning!! Game of Thrones or royal baby watch- would Freddie have been into the hype of these weekend events?? Also just as exciting- Villiers posted her story about Freddie's parents on her YouTube channel! Besides tax weekend here- it's also national record store day- going to see if there are any Queen treasures to be found |
doughnut 13.04.2019 16:03 |
emedee I hope you find some good treasures :) |
Rainbow61 13.04.2019 16:47 |
I pre-ordered a set of 5 Queen Funko-Pop dolls last November (The 4 Queen members + an extra Freddie). They were very reasonably priced and supposed to be available in January. Unfortunately, I did not do my homework…have since read that the company I ordered from is notorious for delays. At this point, I have NO idea when they will be sent. Some Freddy Mercury/Queen loving scientist in Antarctica will probably get his Funko-Pop doll order through Amazon delivered by snow-mobile before I get mine! Thor...do you have anything displayed in your home that is a Freddie reminder...a gift from him or some other memento from the Queen tours? I collect thimbles. I have a display case on the wall of over 150 thimbles...mostly from places I have visited over they years. Much to my surprise, I found a Freddie thimble on eBay (Barcelona dark suit picture). It is now proudly displayed with all the others. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 17:21 |
Good morning all you Freddie lovers its saturday. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 17:25 |
Its 12 noon wher I am what time is it were you guys live.I think we are all are on different times. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 17:27 |
Geez guys, I thought I was very understanding and careful about pointing out to CHEVY the increased ease of reading with punctuation. In NO way did I put CHEVYMAN down. From what I have learned about her over the last month, I just assumed that she was unable to manually type due to the neurological effects of her bad reactions to a flu shot which she confided in us by telling us about this problem. Please let's not forget that I was a Physical Rehabilitation RN for thirty-two year. I know quite a bit about physical limitations and adaptive techniques to partially overcome them. So, if I made CHEVYMAN feel badly about her writing skill limits, it was not intentional. I would NEVER do that. I thought she was using voice-activated typing and I was trying to suggest something that might have helped. I was certainly not mocking her. Can we please stop with this issue now? I completely apologize for any misunderstanding of my true intentions. |
doughnut 13.04.2019 17:32 |
it is 6.31 pm in the uk |
doughnut 13.04.2019 17:34 |
Thor sometimes things don't always come across well in written form. My other half is notorious for this . Not another word on the matter and I understand you meant no harm. Hope you are ok |
rennsage 13.04.2019 17:35 |
Thor, I'm a newbie here (previously just a lurker :-) but just wanted to chime in to say I understood completely what you were saying in your post to Chevyman and I could see you were just trying to be helpful and weren't trying to put her down. It's so hard sometimes to get meanings and intentions across clearly in forum posts and people sometimes take things in ways not intended. It's clear from everything you've written here that you're a kind person and would not intentionally try to belittle someone. |
Katydyd5 13.04.2019 18:06 |
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Katydyd5 13.04.2019 18:11 |
Villiers, I just listened to your YouTube piece on Freddie's parents. So enjoyable! You have a real talent for sharing info. Quick Question: When you do your Live with Thor and Lee, will we be able to see them or will it be strictly audio? I ask because I think several people said they were able to see the guys when you did your test with them. |
thundergod 13.04.2019 18:22 |
Hello rennsage, Thank you so much and a great big WELCOME to you. Hope to see you here, contributing your thoughts, as much as you are able. |
Villiers2 13.04.2019 18:57 |
Hi! Glad you enjoyed the latest YouTube upload! During their audio check last week, Thor and Lee were both on screen and we were able to hear them so as long as they talk loudly, and both wish to be on camera, they're good. I opened questions for them yesterday and for 24 hours people get to send in whatever they want to ask. I'm at about 113 questions now lol. I'm going to be cutting that down drastically and sending them a few to look over and pick what they wish to cover and not. All very exciting stuff! |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 19:26 |
Villers,You go girl you do what alot of us couldnt.You arent afraid to confront situations and ask those questions. You are awesome keep up the good work. You got my vote. |
Villiers2 13.04.2019 20:06 |
Aw shucks Thanks! It helps that Freddie picked two generous and kind guys to befriend as well. Makes my job easier lol |
koala 13.04.2019 20:11 |
I’m sorry for upsetting everyone with my koala facts – Chevy even seems to have resorted to drinking to forget them! I’m just being cheeky lol. Thor, thanks for confirming we’re not way off about Freddie. Considering we never knew the man personally, it’s easy to get paranoid about this sort of thing. I must admit it would be pretty comical if it turned out all this time was spent obsessing over a character that only existed in our minds (though that will always be the case to an extent I suppose). As for a potential future publisher not wanting you to share too much here, I completely understand. I will say that this humongous thread is not a particularly user-friendly format, though, and having all the stories in one place along with photos in a book format would be of huge value even if none of the stories were new – the fact that there will be a lot of new stuff in the book just makes it that much better. Chevy thanks for sharing your absolutely fascinating background. It’s understandable if you have trouble with punctuation, and I don’t think anyone here judges you for it. I really believe Thor was just trying to be helpful, as has been said a few times already. I too enjoyed listening to Viller’s live on Freddie’s parents this morning and I’m super excited for the up-coming stream with our very own Thor and Lee! I won’t be able to watch it live because of the time difference, but will be eagerly awaiting the youtube upload. |
doughnut 13.04.2019 20:17 |
Thor you said you cannot share too much because of your exciting impending book, but does that apply to your live with villiers ? It's just I know you will get a lot of questions much like recently when you said you couldn't answer because of the book . |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 20:38 |
Koala, I have been drinking since I was twelve so it was nothing you did.Im not an alcoholic I am just kinda shy and it helps me be more social.I guess you could say I just love it.I will tell anyone if you dont drink dont start it.I felt so sorry for those bears.People can control who they sleep with but a poor animal cant and they get an STD makes me wanna cry.By the way I make great jello shots it was my friends bday. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 20:44 |
Villers, yes I been missing Lee he is such a funny guy with a pleasant personality it seems. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 13.04.2019 21:28 |
Villers I look forward to your live and always enjoy our little chats! Thor do tell Lee we all miss him! Also I didn’t know you dated Joe Scardilli. He had kind eyes. |
Blenkolove 13.04.2019 21:52 |
Rainbow..... A sincere heartfelt Thank You for the link on Googlebook's preview to the Evans-Minns book. I have been wanting to read it for at least 2 yrs. However, it appears my only way to read it is on an e-reader....which I have stubbornly refused to buy, in protest as I am an old-school die hard Book lover!!! My kids actually gave me a first edition kindle about a dozen years ago, I fiddled with it for about a week....then I gave it away.....firmly believing I would always be able to purchase Books of my choosing. All the books on Freddie, that I had physically looked for since the late 80's-early 90's were available to me with a push of a button via Amazon!! Truly Amazing!! Except I have not been able to purchase Actual Evan-Minns book....due to cost prohibition!! Plus I would like to read Phoebe's second book but haven't been able to track that one down either!!!! I was soooo hoping that the release of Bohemian Rhapsody would allow for new printings of Freddie books no longer in print. I feel very resentful of media decisions to force the public into electronic formats that one may choose to forgo.....but my desire to read this Book (along w/The Virtuoso series) has brought me to relent in my stubbornness And research a modest cost for an e-reader....the main problem is I don't even have the means for a modest tablet at this time. My phone is too full of Freddie pictures and paraphernalia (grandbabies picts too!!) To serve as my e-reader.......my son may be able to help me out with this....as his daughter has a kindle here (I bought it for her 2 Christmas's ago) that she barely ever uses. I begged my son today, after reading the link you provided Rainbow...to help me get the few books I would like to peruse on her tablet!! Yay, if it works!!! Anyhooo....after reading Minsy's account of his relationship with Freddie........WOW! Mentally, I feel like I need some time to process this 'side' of the Freddie I have come to know and love.........i had heard bits n pieces of their relationship before....But it was just so Powerfully overwhelming to read it from Minsy himself. So much hurt and pain!! I AM glad Freddie and Minsy were able to enjoy one another towards the later part of the eighties!! Closure always feels right, maybe not Good but right! ... |
FreddieDarling 13.04.2019 22:42 |
I'm, certain Thor means no disrespect at all regarding the grammar and punctuation discussion. Hard to imagine Thor EVER wanting to cause ofence. He seems like a lovely gentle, understanding soul. Lee, too. Understandable why Freddie felt so close and trustful of you both. Will hope to hope to join in on the Freddie Book Club discussion soon. It's been a VERY busy day. Take care all. Bye bye |
FreddieDarling 13.04.2019 22:43 |
Wow! We're nearly at the Bicentennial page!!!! |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 22:48 |
Listening to Freddie's upbringing makes me reflect on my own.The religious beliefs, culture, are definitely similar.It must have been so difficult for him to have to live a lie in front of his parents but yet love them so deeply at the same time.Makes me wanna cry. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 23:04 |
I agree that Thor and Lee are two very loving genuine guys.Everyone kinda knows why my grammar is the way it is now .The cat is out of the bag.I made a joke.That was yesterdays hot topic and it's not a big deal to me so it shouldnt matter to anyone else.Lets no longer discuss it.It was a discussion that was really between Thor and I .I dont care to hear it.And I'm sure he sure the hell doesnt want to hear it either.So let's just make the thread an awesome place and talk about how each one of us and how wonderful we all are.Im watching the breakfast club people .To cool for school. |
mika251 13.04.2019 23:09 |
Villiers2 Just listened to your Freddie's parents audio and want to thank you. And I really like your voice :) I have a soft spot on Jer as I'm also a mother and it had to be incredibly hard for her to see his child die. I remember she mentioned in one documentary something like: He didn't tell us he was ill because he didn't want to hurt us. And we didn't tell him we knew he was ill because we didn't want to hurt him. There is so much love and pain in this statement. I'm glad they saw each other quite a lot in his last years to catch up all.they missed before. |
Blenkolove 13.04.2019 23:10 |
Ahhh....The Breakfast Club....it's a classic!! Great soundtrack too!! I just love Molly Ringwald!! |
mika251 13.04.2019 23:10 |
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mika251 13.04.2019 23:11 |
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CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 23:31 |
Blenko, my favorite part is when that guy puts his weed down the front of that needs pants.Then tells his teacher its there.I would be the nerd for sure back then. |
CHEVYMAN 13.04.2019 23:34 |
I meant nerds pants. |
emdee0809 14.04.2019 02:58 |
Chevyman - hope you are enjoying your movie tonight. Thanks for sharing a piece of your life with us!! Didn't find any good Queen items on National Record Day I like the way Thor pops in on the thread!! Thor - As we get close to p. 200 - I can't imagine how many tidbits you have shared about Freddie between this thread and the last - just wanted to thank you again!! And now for some reason - every time I hear the song Friends will Be Friends - I associate this with the friendship you and Lee shared with Freddie. Pretty sappy, huh? |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 03:17 |
Emdee, I did enjoy it they just dont make those movies like they used too.I also like the original footloose. |
doughnut 14.04.2019 09:03 |
koala I don't think you upset anyone lovely :) Blenkolove -- it was powerful wasn't it. Come on over to the book club thread as we are discussing all the different books :) Thor/lee hope all is well :) |
Spreadwingsgirl 14.04.2019 11:21 |
Hi Thor and Lee I'm glad I came across this thread some time ago. I knew your names from the books (for example, Peter Freestone writes about you very well), but it's great to meet at least virtually with real people. I am an old-new fan, I listened to Queen already when I was a teenager. I didn't like the movie, for more reasons (the main one is that it's homophobic shit, in my opinion), but it renewed my interest in Queen music and Freddie. I've read a few books about Fredie, but I have to say I was mostly disappointed. This thread is much more interesting! I appreciate all your stories and I would be very happy if I could buy your Freddie book once. Good luck! Can I ask if you read any books about Freddie (Queen)? If so, what is your opinion? I'm sorry if this question has already been raised. I read both threads, but it took me a very long time and I don't remember all questions and topics. And by the way - I like to read about you too, not just about our favorite singer. My English is not very good, I am writing this comment with the help of a translator so I apologize for the mistakes. |
FreddieDarling 14.04.2019 11:27 |
One of my stick insects died. :'-( |
The Black Queen's Kid 14.04.2019 13:47 |
Spreadwingsloverboy, a new thread has been started for books about Freddie. link Lots of discussions on which books are worth reading. And welcome to the forum! |
The Black Queen's Kid 14.04.2019 13:48 |
FreddieDarling, I am so sorry! How did this happen? |
Blenkolove 14.04.2019 14:16 |
Oh how sad FreddieDarling!! |
doughnut 14.04.2019 15:04 |
so sorry to hear this FreddieDarling :( |
Blenkolove 14.04.2019 15:54 |
Thor and Lee, Happy Sunday Mornin' to you both! If you are allowed....could you describe Freddie's skin?? He appears much lighter than Kashmira, and many photos I have enlarged show a possible hint of mild acne scarring, ruddy not smooth complexion?? Brian also has said of Freddie's insecurities, he worried about how his skin looked. |
thundergod 14.04.2019 16:34 |
A big welcome to Spreadwingsloverboy, Do you mind if I call you SWLB? My usual technique for a long name would be calling you "Spread", but that seems to be a bit rude...LOL Your message in English with help from computer English came through very clearly. I've said this before and in the nicest of ways, we need more male contributors to this thread. Please, become an active participant here...your voice and opinions are needed. AND, please...all of you wonderfully sensitive ladies, this is anything BUT a dig against you. You are precious and well loved and you MUST be aware of this by now. |
thundergod 14.04.2019 16:42 |
Hmmm Blenkolove... Freddie's skin? Well, I never saw a blemish nor evidence of teenage acne scarring. When I first saw him in 1980, I thought he was Italian-American, my favorite type at that time. (have you picked up on that from my ex love interests: Scardilli, Lucia, Parisi, Brandon's maternal side was Cornicchione) HaHa...so I guess Freddie's skin looked like any other Italian man to me.) |
thundergod 14.04.2019 16:47 |
Oh NO Freddiedarling, Are you considering replacing your Walking-Stick? it is way too early for one of the four to pass on. They only recently formed as a group. My condolences. |
thundergod 14.04.2019 16:54 |
Doughnut, Lee and I will once again be reunited on Apr. 17th through Apr.22nd in Palm Springs. We both are fine, thank you. Hopefully my second set of BRAND NEW tires will stay inflated...LOL We will be doing Villier's live during that time. I do not know what time and day she is available to do it. Hopefully, we will have a day or two to let you all know before the actual broadcast. |
Blenkolove 14.04.2019 17:22 |
T Y Thor. Good luck on ur road trip!! Can't wait for your n Lee's live w/Katie!!! |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 18:19 |
Loverboy, I love that name welcome! |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 18:21 |
Thor I agree with You spread could be taken as rude.Its a cool name though. |
doughnut 14.04.2019 18:37 |
Thor , good to hear from you, I was worried you were cross with me :) can't wait for the live. Agree we need more men....Shaun come back Thor needs you lol blenkolove..think it was you who asked, I have such a bad memory lol. If it wasn't I'm sorry I have always thought Freddie's skin looked smooth, I have always commented to myself how lovely his skin looked. How about using 'wings' :) |
doughnut 14.04.2019 18:39 |
chevyman .who is loverboy? have I missed something lol :) |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 19:20 |
It's a new member .I love his name . |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 19:22 |
Freddie had that pretty olive complexion. |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 19:28 |
Doughnut, Yes I do miss shaun.I like talking to people who new Freddie.Us fans can always have opinions but people that personally new him had better insight into his world for sure. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 14.04.2019 20:18 |
HAPPY PAGE 200!!!!!! I was never sure whether this might actually happen, but it did. As Thor mentioned I have been in work mode, which is not a bad thing, as I really enjoy it. Thor makes fun of me all the time because I DO enjoy it. I have a platform to tell lousy jokes, practice new material, and perfect old material. HA! It’s very flattering that so many of you are talking about Villiers live with us. Dustin, thanks for the suggestion, and one other person helped as well. When we were doing the tech check, we were both on our computers, and both cell phones were drawing on the WiFi. I thought for a split section that we might have had too much going on, but didn’t do anything about it as I don’t necessarily trust my non techy thoughts. When we tried again, thanks to the patience of Ms. V, we had only my phone on, with the app which I managed to figure out. I have received MANY hits from people that are now following my Instagram that I set up. Flattering again. Now I have to figure out how to post things. That’ll be the next project. I enjoyed seeing Thor’s relationship details, and there were some things I didn’t know, even. Though we met in 77, I was off doing my “I wanna be on Broadway” thing, and missed some of the early stuff. What’s crazy was that I didn’t even notice he left Joe out. Oops! SM, don’t be a stranger. You have good things to say. I certainly appreciate you checking in for the live tech check. I had no idea the number of people that did so. Was my farhead to shiny? LOL It wall probably be just the video, as Thor and I are kinda large to be hovering over a cell phone for that long. Rainbow wanted to her more about the roof top party. Of course, it was amazing, and exciting, and a lot to look at. We were meeting friends of Freddie’s all weekend, and I don’t remember who exactly we met there. Why did the subject of Freddie not like flying come up? I don’t remember. What I DO remember was what an amazing “Air Host” he was the week we spent with home touring the west coast, and I have the photos to show it. I wish I could give more details about Joe. If Freddie wasn’t around for whatever reason, I would hang in the kitchen with he and Phoebe, and just blab about everything. He was very nice to us, and very generous to us in regards to offering us the best when it came to eating. I have mentioned, when we were there for our last visit, Freddie played master of the mansion, and planned out every dinner for us, which was meticulously preoared by Joe and Phoebe. We had lobster one night, which arrived live, and they didn’t warn Freddie about our dinners demise taking place, and Freddie walked into the kitchen. OH MY. That did NOT sit well with Freddie as he was so sensitive about any living creature. The moment passed, and dinner was superb. Joe’s accent, were I to remember correctly, had a tinge of someone who was relocated from a place that has a very STRONG “regionalism”, and knew how to correct the pronunciation of certain words. I grew up with a very heavy New Jersey accent that I, to this day, try to overcome. When you her the language spoken properly you’re inclined to follow suit. Doughnut, what was the deal about that Facebook person not liking your opinion of the film? I’m sure you didn’t say anything that half the people who saw the film thought. Brian, Roger, and even Phoebe worked very hard on the venture, and the Hollywood element just had to be there. Through blogs like this, stories will come out, and items that were not handled the way that some people wanted, will be addressed. She had no reason to go off on you. Freddie’s skin. I don’t remember their being an issue, though I do remember him complimenting me on my skin on more than one occasion. (Thank you to my real mother, who had GREAT skin. It DID seem to be something he thought about. My relationships, and this is gonna be brief. I had my time with relationships since I come out at 22. I didn’t have the best “instructor” in my first relationship, and it made relationships difficult for me always. My last relationship ended almost five years ago. I was with a Marine. The relationship was actually helped by the fact that he was away on two deployements (of the 12 or 13 he did) during the relationship. Aphganistan was pretty intense, and he wouldn’t really talk about it. We went our own ways, and we still are in touch. I guess I’m looking, but I tend to not admit it or talk about it. I WILL steal Thor’s description of what he’s looking for, to describe my search. What did I leave out? I promise I won’t be a stranger. Ciao. |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 20:36 |
Lee,Its nice to see you back speaking of ascents my sons mother n law was born and raised in New Jersey and you can really hear it when she talks.My daughter n law which is her daughter was born there but they moved here and she doesnt have the ascent.Why is that? |
rennsage 14.04.2019 20:48 |
Lee, your story about the lobster made me laugh. I'm thinking of the scene in "Annie Hall" when Woody Allen and Diane Keaton are trying to get a live lobster in the pot, can't do it, and screeching chaos ensues! I'm picturing poor Freddie being aghast and screaming, "Set it free! Set it free!!" LOL. Though I'm sure in reality he probably was just aghast and then quickly exited, saying something like "I can't watch this but DO IT QUICK!" |
FreddieDarling 14.04.2019 21:00 |
Hi folks, Thank you for the condolences regarding my poor stick insect. It was a tiny baby (nymph) one and sadly, some just don't make it. Probably the initiatial travel to me put stress on the poor thing. The other 5 look healthy at the moment , so fingers crossed! I gave them fresh privet and ivy today and a spray of water. They were reasonably lively (well as lively as anything which spends a good portion of the day imitating a stick gets!) I will try to rear some of their eggs when they start laying LOL @Spread ! Yes, that might seem a bit..... . improper! But Spread's English is wonderfully understandable, IMO! Freddie's skin always looked lovely to me. He does have quite an Idanian/ Persian skin tone I feel. Many Arab type people gave a deep olive skin rather than your classic Indian skin tone. (Which also varies a lot) Anne Ortman, the artist who painted Freddie's cars, reported, in More of The Real Life that she though Freddie had perfect skin. Hope we all had a great weekend. Lovely to see Lee again! Bye , Peeps! |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 21:03 |
Live lobster I bet that was painful.Think about it just think about it.What if someone would put us in some boiling water?Do they die quickly?I hope so.I couldn't look them in the eye or eat them after I boiled them alive.They should just use the ones that are already dead.They probably died of natural causes dont you think. |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 21:10 |
I agree about his skin tone because I'm Indian and my skin tone Is a light olive as well .Indians are beautiful to look at.His father on the other hand looked very dark to me.Arabs are alot darker and their skin tones aren't olive to me at all.They almost could pass for a Indian mixed with black heritage. |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 21:31 |
Blenko, They actually put makeup on Freddie in the 70s .I think this made him appear lighter than he actually was.The same reason he dropped his last name and took his stage name.We have to remember immigrants in my ancestors times and probably his too weren"t respected.They definitely weren"t rockstars.He had to protect his career. |
emdee0809 14.04.2019 22:00 |
Good Sunday evening to everyone. Sorry about the strick baby - hope the other 5 will carry on!! Nice to hear from you Lee - great job catching up with everything! Quick question - did either of you ever unknowingly do anything to anger or upset Freddie? |
koala 14.04.2019 22:06 |
Wow, what a milestone! Congratulations to all of us, but especially Thor and Lee for sticking around for the length of a pretty hefty novel (I’m counting the other two threads as well here). Lee, thanks for chiming in! We might not get to hear from you that often, but it’s always a treat when you come back. That lobster story made my skin crawl, though. A few years ago I read the fantastic essay “Consider the Lobster” by David Foster Wallace on the subject (available here: link, and it completely cured me of any desire to ever try it. Boiling a living being alive for something as trivial as culinary pleasure...no thanks. On the other hand, it's nice to know that Freddie liked and was concerned about the well-being of animals. Two stories from Jim's book come to mind: one where Freddie was very upset when Jim killed a deformed koi fish with a shovel (instead of doing it humanely with a special poweder), and the other where he was very concerned about the penguins during the I'm Going Slightly Mad video shoot and gave them water. Freddiedarling, I'm sorry about your stick insect. Losing a pet always sucks. |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 22:27 |
Emdee, Just think about it being boiled alive. |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 22:31 |
I'm sorry koala It was you that was talking about lobster.I think it's Terrible go boil anything alive.Just eat the dead ones. |
Blenkolove 14.04.2019 22:41 |
Yeah, after reading Minsy's excerpt yesterday....i would Never want to be on the Bad side of Mr Mercury!!! |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 23:14 |
Blenko,after reading what? What happened? |
Blenkolove 14.04.2019 23:39 |
CHEVYMAN, on pg 198 of this thread...Rainbow kindly left a link to Googlebooks..that had a sampling of the Evans-Minns book. It contained an added excerpt from Minns memoirs that was not published before he passed...so it was added to the Evans-Minns book but only on the digital version. It was quite overwhelming for me to digest. Plus...the biggest font I could get...i could barely read...so I had to borrow my husband's 'cheater' glasses in order to see it. |
CHEVYMAN 14.04.2019 23:43 |
Thanks Blenko |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 01:24 |
Wow that"s crazy!Makes me sick. |
Jo T. 15.04.2019 02:54 |
Villiers2, I heard your latest YouTube upload about Freddie’s parents. It was EXCELLENT! I’ll have to listen to the rest of your uploads and look forward to your upcoming live with Lee and Thor. I like how you present as factual, unbiased and objective. Your opinions always have sound-based rationale. I bet you’re a dynamite in the courtroom! I liked how Jim later accompanied Freddie on his weekly visits to his parents’ house (sans Mary) and how Freddie’s mother, Jer Bulsara, later expressed her appreciation of Jim in Freddie’s life after he had passed. You defended how the parents came from another culture, another religion, another sexual more. I liked your mention of the Egyptian saying. “Speak the name of the dead and they will never die.” |
Jo T. 15.04.2019 04:08 |
Lee, happy bicentennial! I believe when I 1st joined the thread last Jan., it was around the centennial. Time flies. FreddieDarling, that's too bad about your lost pet. I have a brain freeze. Why is "spread" considered a rude, improper or impolite word? Is it when it refers to spread of the measles, HIV or chlamydia? I can see it in the pos. light; e.g., spread your wings, spread the joy, spread jelly on toast, point-spread, spread the word, spreadsheet, home spread, etc. Do I need to refer to Urban Dictionary? Lee or Thor, here are questions that I meant to ask the night of Thor's flat, but I postponed it. It felt wrong @ the time: Was Freddie scared of the water? Could Freddie swim? When you boys went out to the beach(es) in NY, would he venture into the water? If so, how deep? Would he be totally submerged? IF he swam, what Olympic stroke? Freestyle, fly or breaststroke? Please don't tell me it's a wait and see, whether or not he ever soaked his head in the Atlantic! LOL |
Jo T. 15.04.2019 04:25 |
@spreadwingsgirl, I'm glad to meet another soul who likes John Deacon's "Spread Your Wings." It's in my personal Top 5 of Queen songs, even beating out "Bohemian Rhapsody." |
FreddieDarling 15.04.2019 04:34 |
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FreddieDarling 15.04.2019 04:51 |
Jo T. .....Hmm, how to put this delicately....... oh, did it I don't think I can!! I think Thor feared the diminutive of "Spread" could be mis-interpretted as in "spread you legs" LOL !! Thank you for your kind words regarding my stickies. God rest his/her soul. X Well, several people of Arab descent I know of have similar complexion to Freddie, so I'm going by that. And don't forget, Freddie was a person of Persian/Indian genetics who was living in a temperate climate for most of the time he was in the public eye, so it's possible that, if he was a little more lighter complexion than average and his melanocytes weren't exposed to all that much sunlight, so didn't produce as much protective melanin as people of the same racial/genetic type living in a less temperate climate exposed to higher UV levels. Just a thought to throw in. I love that Freddie was so distraught over the lobsters. I know that they have to be cooked from alive, to prevent food poisoning, as shell fish goes "off" terribly easy, but not slaughtering something before killing it doesn't sit well with me, either. I understand they have a rather peculiar, complicated nervous system which makes a quick dispatch by a method such as say, pithing, very difficult. What I say though is that if we can't slaughter something humanely before cooking it then we shouldn't eat it! If it were a mammal most people would throw a hissy fit at the thought! ...hopping off the soap box again! Have a good Monday, folks. |
FreddieDarling 15.04.2019 04:53 |
did it should have read "sod it" Honestly! Predictive text! :-/ |
Tammienorrie 15.04.2019 06:41 |
Ufff... I finished reading all this "War and Peace" virtual tome. So... Hi! |
Tammienorrie 15.04.2019 07:01 |
I must also disappoint our host (Thor) as I too fail badly at the masculine traits bit, but at least should I ever do an Ancestry spit thing I would turn out some mix between Sardinian and Italian, so I hope to gain a few points on that. A bit of warning: my English is a forever work in progress, half of the things I write are a joke so don't take me too seriously, I have a short attention span so if I disappear don't be worried, I probably just moved on to annoy some other corner of the net. |
Spreadwingsgirl 15.04.2019 07:33 |
Haha, Thor, I'm afraid I'll disappoint you, but I'm a woman. I had another name for my Queenzone registration, but it was already accepted and I had to think of something else quickly – so I joined the words of two of my favorite Queen songs, Spread Your Wings and Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy (that was the first thing I thought). I thought it was a nice sentence and I wasn't even wondering if it was saying anything about my gender - it didn't even matter to me. But in order not to be confusing, I changed my nickname (Spreadwingsgirl). Otherwise, "Spread" is fine. Or "Wings"? LOL The Black Queen's Kid – thank you for your recommendation! I asked about Freddie/Queen books because I was wondering if Thor and Lee saw some of them as false or if, for example, they think that some books shows Freddie in a completely different way than they knew him. Also, it must be interesting to read about yourself in the book. Last week I read Peter Hince book and I was amused by how he describes Thor and his friends: „There were often gay hangers-on, including a bunch of leather-clad, moustached clones from New York that we dubbed 'The Pink Angels'. They sported their stick-on Access-All-Areas passes on the back pocket of very tight jeans. 'The Pink Angels' were led by a chap named Thor – and no doubt he was. Wasn't Thor the Norse god of thunder? Thor and his clan certainly caused a bit of a commotion backstage…“ LOL |
doughnut 15.04.2019 07:43 |
tammienorrie..welcome and don't worry about your english, I am sure you will be fine. JO.T Yep FreddieDarling's explanation of 'spread' is pretty spot on lol . I too can imagne Freddie's fact at seeing the live Lobster.....still I see he was happy to eat it once cooked lol Lee...basically someone shared a very good article on a FB group I am in about aids and the tragedy it caused. someone pointed out that this was omitted from the film which I can understand as it was made as a tribute to Freddie and as you said a hollywood film and not a documentary of exact real life events as such. It then went on to Paul Prenter and I tried to explain that although he sold Freddie out which was very wrong, the film did portray him as the villian and I personally feel it was exaggerated somewhat. My feelings are Freddie was a grown man and could make his own choices and I don't feel it's fair to blame Paul completely for Freddie's lifestyle. Also you are Thor or both of you, said that in the time you knew him he was a nice guy. So because of all this she said I had disrespected the band and would not take on board anything other than the film is wonderful she wouldn't accept any negative comments are otherwise I am blackening Brian and Rogers name. She then followed me to a different post and picked me out again. I was a bit taken aback when she said i was a 'republic' and for some reason she said she knows it all as she is a Trekkie. I didn't like to ask if that meant from Star Trek lol. To finish when I saw the film, I loved it and it led me to look into all things Freddie and Queen so without it I wouldn't be here :) however, I did feel disappointed that adjustments have been made to the timeline as some people don't bother to find out when and what really happened and take the film as gospel. |
doughnut 15.04.2019 07:47 |
ARRRR Sorry about wrong words in places. My hands type faster than my brain :) |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 10:01 |
Doughnut, Ever since that biopic came out it seems to have made people turn on eachother and argue.I just dont see the good in that.They are still bringing in the $and could care less what it has done to all the fans that have loved Queen for decades.Don"t argue with them that's what they want .Maybe in years to come all this mayhem will die down. |
FreddieDarling 15.04.2019 12:09 |
BTW I meant to say creatures should be slaughtered before COOKING, not before KILLING! Idiot! Idiot! Idiot!!! Hope you're all having a good day. Windy as hell here! But dry and bright. Discovered a vintage stereoscopic viewer and box if stereoscopic prints in a junk shop on Saturday in Birmingham. I've attempted to let aBrian know about them (via his YouTube channel in comments, in his Facebook, and email contact.) Thought of him immediately when I saw them. Thought I'd let him know in case he was interested. I know it's never happen, but wouldn't it be funny if he wandered into that shop to buy them himself! :-) I love my Queen 3D book. Favourite image is Brian's tortoiseshell cat Squeaky, (my puss cat is the same colour) andvthecine where Mary is looking really longingly at a distracted Freddie.(they're in a plane) Have to say I do feel sorry for her in that shot. She looks very forlorn. TTFN, peeps. |
Tammienorrie 15.04.2019 12:10 |
I'd like to chime in on the skin tone discussion. I live in UK but I have a fairly tan complexion, so much so that upon return from summer holidays I am often mistaken for middle Eastern or North African by some clients. But after a British winter my skin tone is not much different from that of many very British people. That said, I think Freddie sexual orientation wasn't the only thing that didn't fit with the industry and public idea of how a rockstar should be, and he might have been convinced to mask his heritage too. They say humans make God at their own image, and it is true for our idols too. |
Tammienorrie 15.04.2019 12:11 |
I'd like to chime in on the skin tone discussion. I live in UK but I have a fairly tan complexion, so much so that upon return from summer holidays I am often mistaken for middle Eastern or North African by some clients. But after a British winter my skin tone is not much different from that of many very British people. That said, I think Freddie sexual orientation wasn't the only thing that didn't fit with the industry and public idea of how a rockstar should be, and he might have been convinced to mask his heritage too. They say humans make God at their own image, and it is true for our idols too. |
FreddieDarling 15.04.2019 12:31 |
@Tammienorrie.. yes, I believe that Freddie might have avoided getting too much of a tan to add to his already swarthy complexion, as he wanted to fit in as much as possible. Sadly, when he first came to Britain, and in the 1979's especially there was far too much racial intolerance, so I think he may well have gone to certain lengths to try to appear as native Brit (Caucasian) as possible. Sad, but entirely possible. If you look at the moving images of a young, quite freshly arrived Freddie Bulsara in that cine film at Isleworth Polytechnic which Adrian Morrish filmed, he looks quite dark you'd definitely take him for "a person of colour" as they say. I think Freddie had lovely skin, and I love him nice and dark as when he was interviewed in Brazil, and at the 1984 Montreux Festival (where they lip synced a few songs) Freddie looked quite dark there. Just my two-penneth. Feel free to disagree. Personally I like that touch of exoticism about Freddie. There isn't much I don't like about the man! :-) |
FreddieDarling 15.04.2019 12:34 |
@Tammienorrie, your English seems pretty damned good to me, and hey, my English is a work-in-progress, to and I'm English! :-) |
FreddieDarling 15.04.2019 12:34 |
*too, not to ! |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 13:02 |
Wings, Thor and Lee are the only guys I'm familiar with from his Newyork days.Sadly none wants to talk about his other friends that existed.They were absolutely Not hangovers that I believe was Miss Austin's words Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 14:49 |
Handoners I mean sorry |
doughnut 15.04.2019 15:29 |
FreddieDarling I like Freddie any colour but he did look good with a tan...stares dreamily into space..... I could do with a better viewer for my 3D book. I have the older version which I struggle with. This could also be because I have one eye long sighted and one short sighted. Lovely Amazon delivered The Great Pretender book today. It's a lovely book with some lovely words from Rami as the Foreword. Lee I have found you on Instagram and I have commented on your photo. You are looking good :) |
doughnut 15.04.2019 15:30 |
Lee/Thor I have a question I am not sure if you have answered this but did John Murphy visit Freddie in London, Garden Lodge to say he had aids or was that made up ? |
doughnut 15.04.2019 15:33 |
TammieNorrie I am a tad unlucky with my skin colour as I am a red head with very fair skin and freckles. |
doughnut 15.04.2019 15:33 |
TammieNorrie I am a tad unlucky with my skin colour as I am a red head with very fair skin and freckles. |
thundergod 15.04.2019 15:33 |
Pink Angels" was never a term that we or Freddie used. If Mr. Hince used that name (term), it was limited to himself. And, that is completely fine, but the term was just not one that we used. All due respect to you though "Ratty" |
thundergod 15.04.2019 15:37 |
And, we were not HANGER ONS...sorry to disagree. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 16:08 |
Doughnut, My mom was too but my dad was full blood Indian. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 16:29 |
Thor, that's what I said my hands are numb today and I misspelled it. I'm sorry someone said this.I know they were quoting a book but still you dont have to quote something of a disrespectful nature.Just my opinion. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 16:31 |
I didnt mean You were disrespectful .I was referring to the one who posted it. |
thundergod 15.04.2019 16:53 |
Not sure what you are talking about CHEVY. I was commenting on the reply from spreadwingsgirl, not about anything you said....What? |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 17:02 |
That's what I was talking about as well.Whos book is that from.I have never heard that term hangon ER used by anyone but MA.What is that anyway? |
thundergod 15.04.2019 17:09 |
CHEVY, So why did you have to comment "disrespectful"? I don't get it. A hanger-on" is a person who makes themselves a supposed friend because of someone's fame or wealth and has nothing else to offer. A hanger-on is interested in making themselves look better because of who they know. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 17:10 |
Tammie, I agree about Freddie skin and him making his heritage.I get very dark out in the sun too.I try to avoid it. |
thundergod 15.04.2019 17:12 |
Am I consistently misunderstanding you?...if so, I am very sorry. I do not mean to be a pain in your ass. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 17:13 |
Tammie,I meant to say Freddie probably hid or masked his heritage alot. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 17:17 |
Thor,what I'm asking you is what book did wings get those quotes from? |
thundergod 15.04.2019 17:21 |
I think they are from a concert stagehand called a "roadie" named Peter Hince who has the nickname "Ratty". I never knew him. but he wrote a book quite a while ago. I guess my group got mentioned in it. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 17:23 |
Thor, Okay I know what that is now.It just didnt look like a real word.So it's not a very nice thing to say about someone in my opinion. |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.04.2019 17:26 |
I don’t remember Peter Hince by name though we did beat a few of the roadies. Thor, was he in Freddie’s Loves”? I’ll have to check. Pink angels, huh? Hhhmmm |
doughnut 15.04.2019 17:26 |
Thor we know your were the New York Daughters and you all were not hangers on at all. I am sure Freddie had some hangers on but not you guys :) I have read Ratty's book and he didn't appear to hang out with Freddie so he probably didn't know the true nature of your friendship. I had already read Peter's book when I read Ratty's so I knew who you all were. Thor did you see my question about John Murphy? |
thundergod 15.04.2019 17:26 |
I agree with you there CHEVY. |
doughnut 15.04.2019 17:29 |
Lee I don't recall 'ratty' being in Freddie's loves lol. He mentions Bill Reid in his book too.He said that no one liked him |
thundergod 15.04.2019 17:33 |
Damn...Notre Dame Cathedral on fire. Sounds terrorist inspired to me but no cause has been established yet. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 17:37 |
Doughnut, I think Bill Reid is the guy who bit him. |
mika251 15.04.2019 17:38 |
Please don't take Ratty too seriously. He simply wrote a book from his POV, it's really funny and but still full of respect to Freddie. If he wrote what he wrote, he meant it sarcastically and didn't mean to offend anybody. |
doughnut 15.04.2019 17:44 |
Just seen that it is on fire Thor. I hope it isn't terrorist related, France has had enough :( |
thundergod 15.04.2019 17:46 |
I am concerned...it is such an iconic structure! |
doughnut 15.04.2019 17:46 |
Thor it's under control and noone was hurt. They think it could be linked to renovations. Phew I have friends that are scared to go to London and travel on our underground. What a world we live in |
thundergod 15.04.2019 17:48 |
News channels here say the fire is NOT under control...live video is continuing. |
rennsage 15.04.2019 17:50 |
So sad seeing the pictures from Notre Dame. It's definitely not under control. I don't think they've even been able to get water to it yet. Flames are still spreading. So sad. Such a historic building. Built in the 1200s I think. |
doughnut 15.04.2019 17:54 |
I must have been looking at a dud report I can see now that it is still on fire. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 17:56 |
Lee, I have heard of the Hells Angel's. I just have trouble with that name pink angels.Some of you guys looked very masculine.Im sorry but Thor looks masculine to me.If I didnt know he was gay and was walking down the street I would say he could pass for a straight man.Lee.I seen a recent pic of you on Instagram and you are gorgeous dude.You have aged well I understand if your single but you are a very nice looking fella. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 18:00 |
Where is this structure located? |
doughnut 15.04.2019 18:06 |
It is in Paris . Its very old , it has a lot of history so this is a real shame |
Radioblabla 15.04.2019 18:14 |
koala wrote: Wow, what a milestone! Congratulations to all of us, but especially Thor and Lee for sticking around for the length of a pretty hefty novel (I’m counting the other two threads as well here). Lee, thanks for chiming in! We might not get to hear from you that often, but it’s always a treat when you come back. That lobster story made my skin crawl, though. A few years ago I read the fantastic essay “Consider the Lobster” by David Foster Wallace on the subject (available here: link, and it completely cured me of any desire to ever try it. Boiling a living being alive for something as trivial as culinary pleasure...no thanks. On the other hand, it's nice to know that Freddie liked and was concerned about the well-being of animals. Two stories from Jim's book come to mind: one where Freddie was very upset when Jim killed a deformed koi fish with a shovel (instead of doing it humanely with a special poweder), and the other where he was very concerned about the penguins during the I'm Going Slightly Mad video shoot and gave them water. Freddiedarling, I'm sorry about your stick insect. Losing a pet always sucks.Freddie also didn't want Jim to kill spiders, even if he was scared by those creatures! Notre-Dame: This is devastating. The structure of the roof is from the middle ages. Some of it from the 13th century. And the spire just fell. |
thundergod 15.04.2019 18:20 |
Welcome Radioblabla, I am moved by the destruction of this building. A BIG welcome to you, if it is in keeping with the situation. |
rennsage 15.04.2019 18:29 |
Oh no, the spire just fell. This is devastating. |
Radioblabla 15.04.2019 18:33 |
thundergod wrote: Welcome Radioblabla, I am moved by the destruction of this building. A BIG welcome to you, if it is in keeping with the situation.Thank you Thor. I've been lurking for a while, enjoying your stories from afar. I've said hello a week ago but my post has been lost in the middle of some drama. LOL |
doughnut 15.04.2019 18:36 |
welcome radioblabla :) Now I am very very nosey so I need to know where in the world you are lol ? I guessing the US :) |
Selkie 15.04.2019 18:40 |
Thanks for all the welcome messages! I have a question for Thor and Lee and it's purely speculative so shouldn't cause any problems with future publishers! What do you think Freddie would most enjoy about the present-time? Also Lee, do you enjoy local theatre at all? I have a friend in Palm Springs and his partner is always pretty heavily involved as a performer and I believe most recently as artistic director for the Desert Rose Playhouse. They always seem to be having a good time! |
doughnut 15.04.2019 18:43 |
Such a shame, it's history buring :( |
Tammienorrie 15.04.2019 18:51 |
It seems at the moment they managed to at least prevent spreading of the fire to the rest of the city and they were saying that they recovered a few of the paintings. |
Radioblabla 15.04.2019 18:51 |
doughnut wrote: welcome radioblabla :) Now I am very very nosey so I need to know where in the world you are lol ? I guessing the US :)hehe no. France :) That's why I'm particularly sad about Notre-Dame. I've been there many times and this old lady is more than an old building, it also has a lot of place in litterature, history... |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 19:02 |
Radio, Hello ?Welcome? |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 19:04 |
Radio, What part of our lovely world are you from? |
doughnut 15.04.2019 19:13 |
Ah I guessed wrong. It is awful isn't it. You are lucky to have been able to visit. French accents are one of my favorites, especially when you speak English , if that makes sense lol |
doughnut 15.04.2019 19:14 |
Ah I guessed wrong. It is awful isn't it. You are lucky to have been able to visit. French accents are one of my favorites, especially when you speak English , if that makes sense lol |
Radioblabla 15.04.2019 19:33 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Radio, What part of our lovely world are you from?Thank you for the welcome. I'm from France, not too far from Paris. doughnut wrote: Ah I guessed wrong. It is awful isn't it. You are lucky to have been able to visit. French accents are one of my favorites, especially when you speak English , if that makes sense lolFunny, as us, french, hate our french accent when we speak english and make fun of each others...well mostly of politicians ;) |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 15.04.2019 19:36 |
Selfie. I don’t know where the Desert Rose Playhouse is. I’ll have to check it out. Paris certainly has been through a lot. I love that city. |
Rainbow61 15.04.2019 19:48 |
Thankfully, it does not appear anyone has been hurt in the Notre Dame fire. I hope the first-responders remain safe as well as those who live in the area. As a Catholic with ancestors who came from France, it is gut wrenching to see this icon of Catholic history destroyed. I have never been to Paris…but Notre Dame Cathedral is a place I would like to have visited. The damage looks extensive. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 20:09 |
Doughnut, ,I like any accent but mine.I sound so country.We speak very slow. |
koala 15.04.2019 21:42 |
Hey all, I'll admit to being slightly inebriated at the moment. and despite only skimming the latest replies in the thread, I'd like to chime in about Ratty's book. As has been pointed out. it is written in a very colourful, tounge-in-cheek way. This applies to both Ratty himself, as well as everyone that was around at the time. The "hangers-on" comment shouldn't be taken as a serious value judgement on your relationship with Freddie - it's just a flippant passing remark from someone who observed it form a distance and doesn't pretend to actually know anything about it. And no, Ratty wasn't in "Freddie's Loves". This is him: link The Notre-Dame thing is terrible. I've just come home and found out about it. I visited it with my parents in 2000, and it's a shame such a historical monument is being destroyed. But with the world being a constant dumpster fire 24/7 these days, I sadly feel I'm not even adequately surprised or shocked when something like this happens anymore. Oh, and welcome to the newcomers! |
koala 15.04.2019 22:01 |
Also, I have a question for Lee and Thor: do you think Freddie enjoyed flaunting his gay image in front the ignorant (predominantly straight) audience who didn't pick up on it and cheered him on? What I mean by that is...he clearly couldn't express his sexuality in front of his family and he grew up being ashamed of it. But then he adopted the clone look and performed in heavy leather and wearing t-shirts promoting gay clubs in front of thousands who were, for the most part, none the wiser. It's like he took something that used to be a source of shame and turned it into something he was worshiped FOR, if that makes sense. The "dick mobile" story that appears in a documentary seems an extreme case of this as well. Do you think there's something to that or am I just misinterpreting it? I guess it's more of a hypothesis than a question, really. I don't mean anything negative by this at all by the way, I actually think it was really clever if true. It'd be interesting to hear your thoughts on this. |
Villiers2 15.04.2019 22:15 |
Hi all, just to add to the Peter Hince book discussion for a second- it's one more book Brian really didn't like. When asked if he had read it and how accurate it was, Brian responded "Oh no! The rather warped view of a disgruntled ex employee. Very disappointed Team Rock are promoting this." I've read everything there is on Freddie and after reading the trusted sources, it becomes easy to pick the lies from the truth. It's been a few years since I've read Ratty's book, but I don't recall it having much useful Freddie info as it was seemingly just a book about the life of a roadie for Queen. I do remember him mentioning some people asking him whether or not Freddie was a "f*gg*t" and wasn't quite sure at the time what the term meant. Aside from that, I can remember very little. For anyone interested, I've found the trusted books from firsthand sources for Freddie to be: Freddie Mercury, and The Afterlife by Peter Freestone, This Was The Real Life by David Minns and David Evan's and Mercury & Me (for less info about Freddie and more about his last relationship) by Jim Hutton. For the most part, those books all match as far as storyline and detail about his personality etc. Being that they're also all from people who were very close to Freddie, I feel confident in their info and summarization of his character. None of those books sport 'Saint Freddie syndrome', but they also don't paint him as a monster either. That's a good sign you're getting a well rounded image of the man that includes his flaws. Makes him more human. Very excited to someday add Thor and Lee's book to that list. By the way Thor, I CC'd you the list of questions to look over when you get the time. I sent it out to Lee early this morning. In a 24 hour period, we received 237 questions for Thor and Lee. I hope the handful that I picked out of those were enough to cover Freddie, you guys and the project effectively. |
Villiers2 15.04.2019 22:51 |
Koala, I hope Thor doesn't mind me cutting in on that but I couldn't help but be reminded of a quote about just that topic from David Wigg. In regards to the public finding out Freddie was gay as he wore his clone look onstage, apparently Freddie's response was "It's all there in my performance. If they don't see it, they're crackers." But then on the other hand, we know the lengths Freddie went to hide his sexuality from the public offstage. A famous Freddie quote about his personal life comes to mind (I'll try to summarize): "I take risks onstage and in my music that I would never take in my perosnal life." I do believe that in that context he was referring to his music and his attitude, but it's easy to see his hesitation about sharing too much of his personal life offstage. We see that in Freddie still taking Mary and eventually Barbara to press outings and making his actual lovers (men) walk behind them. He even apologized to Jim Hutton for doing that once saying "It has to be this way for the press." I can't imagine that making him feel very good, and if you've ever read a book titled Queen in Cornwall (another good one but isn't totally focused on just Freddie) you'll see another example of Freddie being afraid to let his homosexuality show outside of the stage. A trusted friend reported that he came to her upset saying "I care about Mary but I'm gay and I can't tell anyone [the band] because it'll ruin everything." Brian May also mentioned his hesitation to admit he was gay even to them. In a 2003 interview Brian talks about the early days during their first tour to America. He says he saw Freddie take women back to his hotel room on that tour "but suddenly the pretty women stopped and the pretty men started. From then on it was only men. Looking back, I don't think Freddie was ever truly happy until he started living as a gay man." Brian goes on to say Freddie simply told them years down the road that he "made a change to his lifestyle" and that was it. Something else I found interesting about the women he took back to his hotel- John Anthony their first producer talked about those same early days once, saying "Fred called me up from his hotel room panicked asking me to rush over at once. When I arrived, two girls were there trying to take his clothes off and he screamed he wanted them out at once. After they'd left, Freddie told me he was gay and needed to tell Mary." Which sounds very much like his first girlfriend Rosemary's account of Freddie sleeping with women. She said in her book that Freddie once "halfway through sex, he stopped and began to cry." This was obviously a man who felt he needed to keep up the appearance of being with women to his bandmates and outside world but it seems it got to a point where he couldn't deny who he was anymore. Perhaps onstage with the cloak of glam rock (which was already pretty feminine and wild) Freddie felt he could safely push the boundaries and "look" as gay as he pleased, while offstage he felt the world could not or would not support his being gay. I do know of a European female singer named Camellia Todorova who recorded a bit with Freddie in the 80s (the song was never released) but a few years ago she was interviewed and asked about her friendship with Freddie Mercury. The interview had to be translated for me but to summarize she said "Jim Beach was Freddie's manager and asked me to be pretend to be Freddie's girlfriend because Mary who he was friends with in London could not come out to Germany that often. I said no because I wanted to be remembered as a musician and not Freddie Mercury's pretend lover." So how much of the offstage bearding was really Freddie vs Jim Beach? Who knows. Oh look, yet another rant nobody asked for from Villiers lmao |
The Black Queen's Kid 15.04.2019 22:53 |
Spreadwingsgirl! I am loving it! Welcome, sister! Sorry dear Thor. I have played a male role in stage before. I can slip into "drag" if it helps with the balance on the forum. I'm willing to "take one for the team". LOL |
mika251 15.04.2019 23:06 |
Villiers2 I'm not going to defend Peter Hince anymore, but it was quite rude from Brian to call him "disgruntled ex-employee". Peter left on his own request to become a photographer. He stayed in contact with Freddie after that and many of Freddie's most famous photograps are made by him. Freddie appreciated his loyalty very much and he persuaded him come back as his roadie for the Magic tour in '86. Maybe Brian didn't like the book because he practically didn't appear there, LOL :D And Roger loved the book! Btw. Brian became very hostile towards Peter Hince after the interview where P.H. said he doesn't like Queen+ AL very much. I'm not judging anybody, just bringing little bit more light into it. |
mika251 15.04.2019 23:06 |
Villiers2 I'm not going to defend Peter Hince anymore, but it was quite rude from Brian to call him "disgruntled ex-employee". Peter left on his own request to become a photographer. He stayed in contact with Freddie after that and many of Freddie's most famous photograps are made by him. Freddie appreciated his loyalty very much and he persuaded him come back as his roadie for the Magic tour in '86. Maybe Brian didn't like the book because he practically didn't appear there, LOL :D And Roger loved the book! Btw. Brian became very hostile towards Peter Hince after the interview where P.H. said he doesn't like Queen+ AL very much. I'm not judging anybody, just bringing little bit more light into it. |
Villiers2 15.04.2019 23:21 |
That could be true, who knows. I'm not friends with Brian lol. I am however friends with Chris Taylor and according to him, Ratty burned a few bridges within Queen. I'm not entirely sure what that means or what the details were but Chris is not a fan of Ratty's for whatever reason. |
CHEVYMAN 15.04.2019 23:26 |
It was all over Freddie's music.And folks like I said some dudes you cant tell they are gay.I seen Freddie for the first time and I said to my self that sweet good looking fella is gay.At the time I didnt know he was.So even Mary said women would follow him home even when they suspected he was gay. |
mika251 15.04.2019 23:27 |
Villiers2 and that is very interesting, thank you very much! Chris should write a book too :) There are some stories by him somewhere on the internet and I couldn't stop laughing for ages. He and Roger were apparently born for each other /at least for some time/. And he seemed to be very fond of Freddie too. Nice guy. |
The Squirrelly One 15.04.2019 23:31 |
Mika no offense intended but unless you know Brian and his reasoning for saying that you really have no right to call it anything. The reason Brian doesn't talk to Ratty and the reason he said what he said was not because Ratty peacefully walked away to do his photography. I see he conveniently left out all his paid interviews and negative comments about Queen and accusations about abuse he received via the band. I knew Ratty for a very short time but in that time I saw a man who drank his weight in booze and had nothing kind to say about the band that he later wrote a book about. And let's be perfectly honest. Without that Queen name in his book nobody would have picked it up. Let's just say you shouldn't take his word for it. |
The Squirrelly One 15.04.2019 23:37 |
Ratty also spent years trying to sell his Queen items he took from shows and music videos over the years. When people didn't jump to buy some random mics he claimed were Freddie's for a few grand he ended up coming out with a book. Could be a coincidence but I doubt he's making a killing with his photography. A recent auction house held a cardboard cut out Ratty took from the Great Pretender music video. Sold for a few grand. He had offered many of us that cutout for years. To Brian...and anyone else with common sense (admittedly) his book reeked of "I need cash and it's been a few years since anyone offered to pay me for a Quewn related interview". |
mika251 15.04.2019 23:37 |
There you go, there are so many versions of one story, therefore the life is so colourful and nothing is white or black. Thank you for your insight. As I mentioned I don't want to judge anybody. |
The Squirrelly One 15.04.2019 23:44 |
Oh dear...excuse the typos! |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 00:06 |
Freddie's Loves that should have been removed It"s a joke.Leslie Ann Jones forgot what lie she told and who she told it too. |
emdee0809 16.04.2019 00:43 |
Villiers mentioned a book by Rosemary - Freddie's first female relationship - is that book still in print and how much insight does it give on Freddie? Notre Dame burning is tragic - during Holy Week - just so sad - what a beautiful treasure lost. |
The Black Queen's Kid 16.04.2019 00:52 |
I've just finished watching a series on traveling through dimensions and parallel time lines. I know it's not widely accepted.... But what if - How would things be different if Freddie had been ok, but someone else in the band has become ill. I love them all, but had it been Roger or Brian who left this mortal coil, how do you think Queen would have moved on? John Deacon will always be my Knight in Shining Armor. He made it clear that there was no Queen without Freddie. I love him for that. Bless you for having a conscience and following your gut. History will show that you were on the right side of decency. I respect and love you, Sir, for your refusal to sell out Freddie's memory. May Karma shine upon you and yours. |
Villiers2 16.04.2019 01:13 |
Hi! The book by Rosemary is not longer found in paperback but can be found through Amazon kindle. She gave a short article interview a few years ago about it and the poor woman left Freddie knowing he was battling with his sexuality, only to marry another man, have kids and get divorced when he also realized he was gay. Yikes! Her book was called 'Life Art and Freddie Mercury'. There is very little about Freddie in there. So much so that it's pretty obvious she only included Freddie's name in the title to help promote the book about her time as a art student in the 60s lol. But it does have enough info in it to help piece together some of Freddie's early struggles with his sexuality. She talks about his "obsession and hate toward gay men. Like how Freddie would mock and insult gay men (a very common symptom of a closeted person who is testing the waters with the people around them, checking their tolerance for gays and trying to overcompensate for something), she talks about how she would try to change the subject from gay men (which he claimed he didn't like) to anything else but she said he would force the conversation back to them every chance he got. She describes it's as an obsession he had. It went from "I don't get them. How can one man do that to another right? Gross." to "Tell me more about them. What are they like? Can I meet them? I MUST meet them!" Once Freddie realized she was tolerant of gay men, he opened up and told her he was interested in men. She said she assumed that since she and Freddie had been physical, he wasn't gay. That all changed when he met some of her gay friends and he started crying during the act of love making. Being gay myself and having spent years holding on to the hope that I was bisexual, that story hit close to home. It all felt painfully familiar. People often ask why Freddie spent so many years hiding the fact that he was gay from Mary. Keep in mind, Mary herself said he avoided her so much the last few years, she knew anyway but- in Rosemary's book, she says Freddie was an emotional wreck when she left him, not because they were madly in love but because Freddie admitted she was the only person who knew what he really was and if she left, he would feel truly and deeply alone. Not to mention the boys at his college called him "the old queen" due to his mannerisms. When you're trying to break into the music industry and be taken seruosuly as a musician in the late 60s, you do NOT want to be exposed as gay. To avoid that, you need a woman. Mary followed Rosemary by just a few months and I think it's clear Freddie was afraid she would leave too had she known earlier on that he was gay. But rumors stirred anyway even in the early years. Enter the random ring proposal and immediate backpedaling on that engagement from Freddie etc. |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 01:15 |
Emdee, That book Rosemary Pearson wrote was a good read and a crucial one I think.He was able to share more of his feelings with her than he was Mary Austin.She broke it off with him because she knew the feelings he was having were real.She knew she would have lost him anyway. |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 01:35 |
I don't think his engagement to Mary Austin was because he really wanted to marry her.Just my opinion . |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 01:50 |
Black queen, I think if John and Freddie were the ones still with us they would have done things much different.I dont think there would be a biopic made and let's face it Freddie was the best frontman of all time John Deacon had a good buisness sense .They definitely would be making music. |
emdee0809 16.04.2019 02:19 |
Villiers and Chevyman - thanks for the synopsis of the book. I have four books in my kindle now - I am trying to read all at the same time- think I will pass on that one for now. I am sure having a relationship with Freddie was an inspiration for writing the book, but I agree she adds another piece of the puzzle to the emotional crisis Freddie must have been going through at the time. |
doughnut 16.04.2019 07:06 |
Thanks for the book recommendation villiers. Have a good day or night all |
doughnut 16.04.2019 07:28 |
The squirrelly one I sent you a pm a while back. Apologies as you probably thought I was a nutter. As you knew him I just wanted to ask if he found peace in his life and was able to live a happy life I feel so much for him . |
doughnut 16.04.2019 07:28 |
The squirrelly one I sent you a pm a while back. Apologies as you probably thought I was a nutter. As you knew him I just wanted to ask if he found peace in his life and was able to live a happy life I feel so much for him . |
Spreadwingsgirl 16.04.2019 08:20 |
Thor and Lee (and others), thank you for your additional comments. I only take that passage (from Peter Hince book) as a point of interest or curiosity. It's written with sarcasm and for amusement, and it's definitely not something I take too seriously. Overall, I didn't like the book, except for a few parts. As I wrote in the previous post, most of Freddie/Queen's books were disappointing for me. I liked (with some reservations) only Peter Freestone, Jim Hutton and David Minns/David Evans books. In general, I like the testimonies of people who (well) knew Freddie. Therefore, I hope that a book by Thor and Lee will come out. This discussion of the books reminded me that I know book by Russian author who trying to prove it that Freddie was heterosexual. Seriously. Basically, she is a crazy fan who claims (among other things) that Freddie has been infected with HIV purposely in the hospital (via an infected syringe). Peter, Joe and Jim were gay spies. Mary longed for Freddie's death and Jim was just a gardener who actually hated Freddie. LOL I found this crazy thing on the internet and it is basically a very funny reading, unfortunately it was also published in a book and it was translated into at least one language, which I find completely incomprehensible. Villiers, your posts are great, thanks for the new information. I have to apologize again for my English, write a comment is quite difficult for me and I hope it makes some sense. |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 12:21 |
Posting a couple nice things I found posted on that 50 Shades of Freddie page. Sweet things.:-) Some things are innocent, but not many!:-0 |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 12:23 |
Posting a couple nice things I found posted on that 50 Shades of Freddie page. Sweet things.:-) Some things are innocent, but not many!:-0 |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 12:27 |
Oops! Double posted 1stvone. Here comes another -differentone. Interesting gives vital statistics! |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 14:15 |
Spread, I hadn't read that book you were talking about hopefully he was joking. |
koala 16.04.2019 14:33 |
Villers, thank you for this superb summary on how Freddie showcased his sexuality on stage and hid it off it. The David Wigg comment is exactly what I was thinking about when asking that question! I image it must have been quite cathartic for him to be able to express it so boldly in front of so many people on stage and be accepted for it, while still keeping it hidden at the same time because the audience had no idea what he was actually doing. |
koala 16.04.2019 14:34 |
Squierlly, thanks for the info on Ratty. I wasn't aware of any of the drama you describe and so can't comment on it. I will say that I read the book fairly recently and I'm confused why Brian or anyone would take such an issue with it. It's mostly about the mischief that the roadies got up to on the road, some brief but interesting insights into the interactions between him and the band members (specifically Freddie and John – fun tidbits, but nothing scandalous) and just general insights into the workings of a live Queen show. He does say that being a roadie is an exhausting job that can be often thankless, but I doubt this comes as a shock to anyone. It might be true he wrote it because he needed the money, but as long as the information he provided is accurate (and I don't see why it wouldn't be)...who cares? I’ve also become rather weary of the official Queen organisation and their opinions ever since reading about Shaun’s experience with Jim Beach and hearing about their apparent disapproval of Thor and Lee’s book. It seems they are just interested in portraying a certain Queen image, true or not, and want to stop anyone from sharing their honest experience without clearing it with them first. Notice how the film contained all sorts of inaccuracies, most of which at Freddie’s expense (but not Brian’s or Roger’s…shocker), but it promoted the Queen brand as a whole and raked in millions, so it was apparently perfectly ok? That speaks volumes about their priorities and it doesn’t sit well with me at all. |
koala 16.04.2019 14:45 |
FreddieDarling that's so wholesome, I love it! I find it hilarious that they asked him to provide exact measurements for specific body parts (well...except for the one the ladies over at 50 shades actually want to know about lol). |
Katydyd5 16.04.2019 15:09 |
Koala, I've read Ratty's book several times. The first time I was disappointed because it was so focused on the job the roadies do, and not so much on Freddie. Having read it several times since, I get kind of a kick out of it. I think maybe Ratty's humor is an acquired taste, but his genuine care for Freddie does show through. As for selling items because of a need for money, I don't think that's all that unusual. Life happens. As for Brian's views, I respect and understand them, though I may not agree with all of them. I'm grateful for the books about Freddie. Brian is my second favorite member of Queen. Love him, love his passions. I don't follow him as closely as I follow Freddie, but I think he's a gem. Thor, several people recently have commented on the Queen organization trying to stop the publication of your book.. Have you found that to be true, or have you sensed the organization lurking in the background? Maybe I'm naïve, but as powerful as they may be, I can't imagine they are contacting all possible publishers and asking/telling them to pass on your book. I did happen to be in the right place at the right time to see the exchange between Jacky and Villiers, and Jacky was very unpleasant. But I wonder if she's changed her mind since then?? Peter has contact with her doesn't he? Wouldn't he vouch for our guys?? What's your take on all of this?? |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 15:18 |
Katy, Have they said why they want to stop the publication of the book. |
Katydyd5 16.04.2019 15:39 |
Chevy, I was asking based on what other posters have said. I hadn't heard that anywhere but on this thread and I have no knowledge of it. I was wondering what Thor's take was. |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 15:40 |
Koala, What body part are we talking about my dear?I bet that 50 shades can be a fun game to play. |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 15:43 |
Katy,Oh Okay thank You glad to see you back posting you always have such nice things to add to this thread. |
Katydyd5 16.04.2019 16:48 |
Thanks Chevy! |
doughnut 16.04.2019 17:05 |
Katy, where on line did you manage to see Jacky and Villiers convo? Doesn't sound nice that Jacky wasn't nice, what a shame . I think Freddie would very much approve of the book :) |
Radioblabla 16.04.2019 17:12 |
Hello everyone, I've seen your conversation about Thor & Lee 's book and about how the idee of it did not sit well with Jacky. Now, maybe I'm stupid but are you talking about Jacky Smith or Jacky Gunn? I admit I feel lost. Lol |
doughnut 16.04.2019 17:20 |
Hi all, I've had a horrible day at work today, still it's hump day tomorrow :) I’ve also become rather weary of the official Queen organisation and their opinions ever since reading about Shaun’s experience with Jim Beach and hearing about their apparent disapproval of Thor and Lee’s book. It seems they are just interested in portraying a certain Queen image, true or not, and want to stop anyone from sharing their honest experience without clearing it with them first. Notice how the film contained all sorts of inaccuracies, most of which at Freddie’s expense (but not Brian’s or Roger’s…shocker), but it promoted the Queen brand as a whole and raked in millions, so it was apparently perfectly ok? That speaks volumes about their priorities and it doesn’t sit well with me at all. Koala I feel the same :( ALso how is your head today? FreddieDarling fab posts on Fifty Shades, very tame for that group but what a shame we don't have other measurements lol ;) PLUS I got my Freddie T Shirt today, I love it :) |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 18:18 |
Radioblabla ....Jacky Gunn Jacky Smith ... Same person. Gunn was her name before she married. Appropriate combo! A gunsmith is an artisan who makes firearms! Doughnut,...... so glad your t-shirt arrived! That should put a smile in your face.:-) Love the John Deacon comment! Sweet! Maybe "You're My Best Friend" was partly for Freddie, too?! Yes, howzabout that all important statistic p, Freddie! :-D Well, I'm sure Freddie didn't like to brag, o that's why he didn't tell us that one! Yes, very tame posts for that group! I've raised my eyebrows MANY times! LOL! Oooh, 2 days till Mercury time! Whooppeee!! Hope you all had a good Tuesday and have a few of days off to look forward to this weekend! |
NeverTooLate 16.04.2019 18:41 |
Welcome to All the Newest Contributors! On the subject of the Queen Organization's Possible Displeasure: The good news is even if the Queen organization dislikes the idea of a book being published by 2 of Freddie's U.S. friends, there's nothing they can do about it. Free speech for the win! The Queen organization's stamp of approval is not needed, and prior books have been published over many years and we haven't heard of Queen being especially pleased about any published book that wasn't authored by someone in the band (that would be Brian, as he's the only one in the band who has published a book). On the subject of Peter "Ratty" Hince's book: I saw no harm in Ratty's book and I did read it, some parts I've read twice. Ratty's writing style is colorful and a bit cheeky sometimes. A majority of the book describes experiences of being a roadie and the various shenanigans he and fellow roadies got up to at the time, which of course included a lot of drinking, partying, some drugs, one-night-stands and short term romances. Perhaps Ratty was disgruntled as he left, but that really doesn't come through in his book. He seemed to be very fond of the band in general, and Freddie & John in particular. He does describe feeling burned out after 10 years, wondering what he'd be doing in the future, and wanting to have some other path. They (at least Freddie & John) thought enough of him to ask him to come back to help run their last concert tour, and by all accounts he appears to have had a trusted working relationship. He described doing other chores along the way, including arranging to get furniture Freddie ordered for others, including Mary, from places he ordered them while traveling on tour to their recipients. Movie Trivia: Anyone who watched BoRhap the movie, the Live Aid part actually shows the 'Ratty' character handing Freddie's microphone to him after he finishes the first piano part. They even dressed up that extra with a wig and the exact same outfit Ratty was wearing at the time. It was not a speaking part and if you blinked you could have missed it, but they were dedicated to making the Live Aid section as true to real as they could, so Ratty was in there. |
RussiaLand 16.04.2019 18:48 |
Hello from Russia to everyone! I just felt I needed to create an account and write my thoughts here after I'd read the post where Spreadwingsgirl mentions the book by a Russian author who claimed Freddie was straight. That's Mother Russia for you lol! But brace yourselves. There's more to come. This author, Mariam Akhundova, died in 2012 so there's no way now to ask her why she had made up all that stuff. And most Russian fans don't take her 2 books seriously (though there are some who do). But since Mariam's death, there has been another author, Pavel Surkov, who continues to screw our brains. While Mariam seems to have had little profit from her books, this new author is quite popular and I would assume makes good money out of his book and lectures that he gives. I would say Mariam was a passionate fan who believed what she wanted to believe. But Pavel is not like her. He is a businessman and uses common Russian traits (like homophobia) to his advantage. Basically, Pavel claims that he has met Brian May, and Brian hinted to him that Freddie was infertile and that's the reason why he split up with Mary - she wanted children. Also Pavel claims that there is no evidence that Freddie had relationships with men and that Brian has never said that Freddie was homosexual - Pavel says the word "gay" has several meanings in English and Brian never meant it as "homosexual" but rather as "lighthearted, carefree, joyful". (Brian seems to be his favourite "source"). Because many Russians are not good at English, they believe Pavel. They can't read and watch a lot of materials that are not translated into Russian. Also, like Mariam, a lot of them just want to believe that Freddie was straight. Why I'm writing all this here. I read earlier that Villiers2 is going to have a live with Thor and Lee some time soon, and that it's quite likely that Brian might be listening to it. Could it be possible to mention this author Pavel Surkov and his theories during the live? Probably Brian might hear it and give his opinion about this. I don't like when someone's name is used without the person's knowledge, and I don't like what Pavel is doing with Brian's name. Also I don't like that he plays on the homophobic tendencies of the Russian society in order to make profit. To finish this long post, thank you to Thor and Lee for sharing your memories with us! I am looking forward to see your book and to listen to you chat with Villiers! :) |
thundergod 16.04.2019 18:59 |
With the comments just made here, I would like to speak to the nature of our book. Our book deals 80% with the years from 1980 through 1983 when we were close friends of Freddie's in New York City. It was a time that honestly did NOT have the majority of the important people from Freddie's life in it. There was no Elton John, Dave Clark, Joe Fanelli, Mary Austin, Rosemary, Jim Beach, nor Peter Straker in it. There was no Jacky Smith/Gunn. The three other band members were present of course, during concert tours, but only in the terms of brief, very polite introductions. Friendships with these wonderful men were not possible nor plausible at that time. We were considered Freddie's gay friends but nobody knew actually how close we were. Included in this mix was the ever-present and ever-loveable Peter Freestone. Our book highlights the wonderfully fun, and often frantically exciting, times from those three years, and features the constant wit of our friend Freddie. He is only depicted as a happy, loving, generous, caring and self-assured gay man. Things were so free in New York and Freddie loved it. We were extremely proud to be considered his friends. |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 19:03 |
Wow! I never heard of that Russian author or those infertile rumors.I'm not a big fan of Brian as you guys know but, I have never heard him say this ever.The reason Mary and Freddie separated was because he had the courage to talk to her about his sexuality and that their relationship would have to change.It was a mutual thing I'm sure.Thats why they broke their engagement and they were both responsible in my book not bringing children into a relationship that had to end at some point.He wasnt infertile he didnt sleep with women after Mary Austin just opinion based info on my part. |
thundergod 16.04.2019 19:10 |
A Big Welcome to RussiaLand, At this point, I cannot see that it would fit in to mention your friend. There is no guarantee that Brian will be listening and this topic would not be appropriate for our very first pod-cast I am sorry but maybe the fact that you mentioned it here will help people understand better. |
doughnut 16.04.2019 19:16 |
Thor I wish I could give you a big hug :) I expect nothing more from your book than what you have described and I cannot wait to hear all of your stories and adventures and your precious photos. It just shines through to me just how much you both loved/love Freddie and so thank god you (thor) hit on him one night all those years ago. I still pinch myself that I am talking with the great Freddie Mercury's friend all the way from the good old us. It will be so nice to see this side of Freddie and how much he enjoyed his life of freedom at that time. peace out |
doughnut 16.04.2019 19:26 |
just to add I have a soft spot for Disco Deaky, his moves were the best. I like that Freddie took care of him ,John was only 19 when he joined the band. You are my best friend is one of my fav songs, in fact many of the ones written by him and Freddie I like. Talking of the Kensington Roof Garden party, there is a video of parts of it on youtube and John bless him , was having a boogie whilst sitting on his chair and then slid off onto the floor passed out. I guess his drinks via his cocktail bar whilst on stage had a contribution. I looked for sight of you Lee & Thor but couldn't see you. I did see the lovely young lady in the lift lol |
thundergod 16.04.2019 19:31 |
Ha Ha doughnut, Did you see the extra-large fish tank of naked human beings sliding against each other like reptiles? |
koala 16.04.2019 19:37 |
@Katydyd5, I completely agree with you on the book. I don't have anything against Brian per se, I actually have a lot of respect for him and a lot of the things he does (like his musicianship, advocating for animal rights etc), but some things he says/criticizes just confuse me. I don't know if the Queen organisation is actually trying to stop Thor and Lee's book from being published, but from what we've seen they're not happy about it. @Chevy, I was talking about his NOSE, of course! ;-) @Doughnut, I'm sorry for your stressful day and I hope your week gets better from today on. My head is fine btw, thanks for asking – my trick is to always stay hydrated while drinking, and it seems to work. Oh, and congratulations on the new t-shirt! @NeverTooLate, very well put and agreed on all counts. |
koala 16.04.2019 19:46 |
Welcome RussiaLand, and thank you for sharing. We don't often get a look into what's happening in the Russian Queen community, so it's especially nice to hear from you. I've seen some Russian comments on youtube that basically claim what you've described: that Freddie being gay is just a crazy conspiracy theory. Sad how people are willing to lie to themselves due to homophobia, and even more sad that people exploit this for money.That bit about how gay actually means happy in this context gave me a good laugh, though. Reminds me of this brilliant sketch: link |
doughnut 16.04.2019 19:52 |
Thor do you mean the naked ladies wrestling, then yes I did lol Or was there really humans in a large fish tank? |
koala 16.04.2019 19:53 |
Thor, I don't think anyone who's read this thread could possibly think that your book will be anything but a celebration of Freddie and the wonderful times you've had together. I don't know whether the official Queen camp disapproves because they're expecting tabloid drivel, or because they simply dislike not being in control of what sort of information gets shared. Or maybe it's because a happy, gay Freddie surrounded by benevolent gay friends isn't the narrative they want to push (I know, I sound like a conspiracy theorist). Either way, they're wrong and can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. Sorry for the language, but this kind of stuff annoys me greatly. |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 19:55 |
Naked people painted like reptiles the man new how to have fun.I bet it looked cool. |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 19:55 |
Thor and Lee, I had no doubt that your book would be completely honest and respectful of your dear friend Freddie, and hopefully show Freddie's lovely fun side and generous nature to a wider audience. I am so looking for to this book. I love to see Freddie having fun. His smile lit his whole body, never mind just his face. Regarding John's comment regarding Freddie being his best friend, it did make me wonder if John also had Freddie in his mind when he wrote "You're My Best Friend" as well as Veronica. Just a thought. What a lot of tosh that Russian author wrote about our boy! Dear me! Welcome by the way to all our newbies! Glad you've joined the happy band of Freddie-philes! P.S. all my stickies are present and correct (one sloughed it's exo-skeleton) and happily munching privet! :-) ?&--{-{-{-- (that's MEANT to be a stick insect ) |
CHEVYMAN 16.04.2019 20:00 |
I am just making one comment on the new book everyone should be able to share their memories with a man they cared and respected so much.All of those books will be here for years to come make your mark.You guys made alot of joyful fun memories share them with the world. |
doughnut 16.04.2019 20:02 |
Freddie Darling..glad all the stickies are in good health. Will they form a band when they grow up ?? :) :) ;);) |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 20:54 |
Doughnut..... I dunno! They sort of of object to drummers! I think they think that drumsticks might be their brethren, and they think it looks a bit tough! Maybe an a capella group ? :-) |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 20:56 |
I'd love to be (temporarily) painted as my snake! Red, black and orange! He's a beauty. And his skin feels like the most expensive, supple Italian leather. He's my lovely boy. :-) |
FreddieDarling 16.04.2019 21:00 |
God help me! There's an auction for a Freddie SH Figuart figure (with the interchangeable heads and hands)'on eBay that's ending on Sunday, and I SO want this boy! I'm tempted to pay a silly amount of money for him! Obsession? Me? ...... You betcha! |
NeverTooLate 16.04.2019 21:18 |
There's always some fan who will get butthurt over something. Fans often fantasize about a famous musician and performer they never met, and build up an image of who he was, what he liked/didn't like, all of it. Anything that conflicts with their built-up fantasy is often treated like a personal transgression. Consider how Jim H. got a lot of criticism for his book and "how dare he..." He was a loving and devoted companion to Freddie for 7 years, as well as a terrifically talented gardener who worked hard at Garden Lodge. He was known to be an honorable, truthful man and yet, the haters hate and called him all sorts of names over the years. And Peter/Phoebe has received his share of criticism, "selling out..." Ridiculous. Anyone who hates books written about Freddie *by those who knew him*, if it offends, then it's simple: don't buy the books. |
Radioblabla 16.04.2019 21:41 |
FreddieDarling wrote: Radioblabla ....Jacky Gunn Jacky Smith ... Same person. Gunn was her name before she married. Appropriate combo! A gunsmith is an artisan who makes firearms!Oh thank you! that makes sense now... Would she really knows what QPL and precisely what Jim Beach would like or agree/disagree with regarding this? Or is it just her own opinion? |
Dustin Zimmerman 16.04.2019 22:46 |
Jacky does still talk to Beach, unfortunately. Both are rather unpleasant people. |
The Squirrelly One 16.04.2019 22:55 |
Someone mentioned they messaged me but I don't see anything sorry. I'm not close to Jim Beach but I've meet him a number of times and from what I've heard from Brian he is very protective of the band and it's reputation. He has a very short fuse when it comes to new books and documentaries. I hope they understand Thor and Lee's book is nothing but love. Thor Brian will be listening once it goes on YouTube. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 16.04.2019 23:17 |
I have no doubt the book will depict Freddie in the best light, and I really look forward to it. |
emdee0809 17.04.2019 01:02 |
I definitely need to go back and watch the Garden Roof party video- I missed quite a bit. The creativity of these parties was incredible. How much thought and planning went into these :)? The publication of Thor and Lee's book will reveal a part of Freddie's life while he was in New York. How is this any different from Jim's book? I just don't understand this Jim Beach - "Queen" machine interference . Also, Freddie seemed like his body was very fit and toned. I know Thor mentioned he had exercise equipment he never used, but how did the have the stamina to perform they way he did? He didn't exactly follow the "healthy" lifestyle they preach in this day and age. Definitely had the DNA of a legendary rock star. |
The Squirrelly One 17.04.2019 01:43 |
Em, Beach did NOT like Jim's book either. As a matter of fact Jim was pretty vocal about "the queen machine" and it's disapproval of his book. Brian has never read and won't but he did like Jim a great deal. |
emdee0809 17.04.2019 02:47 |
Squirrellyone- I just don't understand how Thor and Lee's book is so terrible to this "machine"? What are they afraid of? It can't be image - Freddie hasn't changed since he passed- Queen is making an enormous amount of money touring all over the world- it's none of their business- it's Thor and Lee's !! It's obvious fans are anxious and excited for this book- shouldn't be stopped because of indifference. I am surprised Brian has never read Jim's book- could it be because it would be too painful for him? |
The Squirrelly One 17.04.2019 02:58 |
No, Brian hasn't read Jim's book because he does not read any books on Freddie's private life. He feels it's none of his or anyone else's buisness. As shown in the movie where the Freddie they show behaved absolutely nothing like the real one. Part of that was because the script was down to someone else and part of it was because Brian just didn't know what went on with Freddie outside of the studio. Queen Productions has always hid Freddie's sexuality to save sales. They spent so many years pushing the Mary Austin love story, having the truth come out about how happy Freddie was being gay and not having her be the center of his life gets in the way of their agenda. That's why Beach doesn't like it. It's a shame because I tend to agree with Villiers who says Freddie's real life was so much more interesting than anything QP or the movie could come up with. |
lsg 17.04.2019 03:10 |
A fairly recent Dave Clark opinion. He 100% agrees with John Deacon. link |
CHEVYMAN 17.04.2019 03:34 |
You know its kind of sad that this truly awesome man gave so much of his talent to the world .They want his story told but they want to keep covering his sexuality like they did back in the day.What they dont realise the fans dont care that he was gay they just want to keep his memory alive.The problem is there are so many gaps in his story that noone knows who his friends or interests were past the 70s.I just hope it's not shame because I think that is a silly reason not to want the truth known. |
RussiaLand 17.04.2019 08:52 |
Thanks for the welcome, everyone! Privet! :-) Thor, I agree with you, this topic probably wouldn't be appropriate for your podcast. It feels good, though, to have written about this here, as I am literally sick of all this crazy sh*t that these 2 authors have started. Koala, hahaha, the video with Fry and Laurie is hilarious! ;) Ah, happy, gay Freddie ?? It seems he was too happy for some people to take it. |
RussiaLand 17.04.2019 08:54 |
Hm, emoji's not working here? I meant to paste something else instead of ??, sorry:) |
mika251 17.04.2019 09:12 |
RussiaLand Feel free to contact Brian directly with this issue. He Is quite open to communicate with fans. And emoji's aren't working here you have to write old good ":)" :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 17.04.2019 09:20 |
Feel free to contact Brian directly with this issue. He Is quite open to communicate with fans." Lol sorry but who told you that? Are you referring to him responding to a handful of comments on Instagram? Like when he bites the head off of people when they criticize him or the movie? I think you might have been misled lol. |
The Squirrelly One 17.04.2019 09:34 |
Dustin Brian does respond with a quick "Thank you" or "happy birthday" to a few comments. I doubt he would respond to someone asking about a Russian author who wrote something bizarre about Freddie, though. He's a good guy but he does have a short fuse when it comes to criticism and personal information. He has been known to snap at fans but he always issues an apology once he's had time to calm down. |
The Squirrelly One 17.04.2019 09:36 |
Dustin I am also a little shocked to see negative comments about Brian from you. He is human and does have his moments but he is a good man. |
Dustin Zimmerman 17.04.2019 09:52 |
TSO don't get me wrong i appreciate his musical ability and his legacy in rock which is why I was thrilled to get his autograph (thank you again for getting him to send one for me to add to my collection) but I don't necessarily believe it's wrong to call even a music legend out on his actions. My apologies if I offended but we've all seen the way he can get with fans who ask him things or make comments he doesn't like. He drove one young lady offline entirely by posting about her politely asking him to tag her in the photo of him that she took, publically condemning her and banning her from all Queen shows. He literally told her he would have her thrown out of every Queen show she tries to go to. The poor girl had thousands of Queen fans attacking her for it. All she did was ask him to tag her in the photo that she took. Politely. And how about the guy mentioning politely that it's not the best look to still be following Bryan Singer during his sexual abuse charges? He told his millions of followers that the guy needed to mind his own damn buisness and fuck off. Yeah he apologized for those and all the rest of the occurrences but it's unrealistic to downplay his outbursts to his own fans in my opinion. If you'd like to respond I'm open to holding it via PM. Thanks. |
RussiaLand 17.04.2019 10:21 |
I have actually written to Brian in a direct message on Instagram, but I don't think he saw it. As for leaving this in a comment to some of his photos, I don't feel it would be right to do so, as it might be unpleasant for him to discuss such personal details there. Also I don't want to start a war under his photo in case some crazy Russian conspiracists decide to come there... |
Blenkolove 17.04.2019 11:21 |
Happy Huuuump day peeps!!!! For those of you who have not seen the Hump day commercial......check YT? For Geico Camel Commercial.....and have yourself a giggle!!!! It's one of my all time faves! Two more days til FunFriday!!! Ttfn |
CHEVYMAN 17.04.2019 12:45 |
As far as Brian goes everyone is human I just dont think fans understand why he try to cover his band mates sexuality and a part of who he was.He clearly has a say so in what queen productions puts out there.As far as a talented man all four of those guys created that awesome band and should always get honor and respect for that.I dont hate anyone but I just dont agree with what Brian and Roger allowed Queen Productions to do to their bandmate.At the end of the day they are the ones that have to live with that. |
Radioblabla 17.04.2019 16:08 |
The Squirrelly One wrote: No, Brian hasn't read Jim's book because he does not read any books on Freddie's private life. He feels it's none of his or anyone else's buisness. As shown in the movie where the Freddie they show behaved absolutely nothing like the real one. Part of that was because the script was down to someone else and part of it was because Brian just didn't know what went on with Freddie outside of the studio. Queen Productions has always hid Freddie's sexuality to save sales. They spent so many years pushing the Mary Austin love story, having the truth come out about how happy Freddie was being gay and not having her be the center of his life gets in the way of their agenda. That's why Beach doesn't like it. It's a shame because I tend to agree with Villiers who says Freddie's real life was so much more interesting than anything QP or the movie could come up with.When you say Queen Productions here, pushing the Mary Austin love story, do you include Roger and Brian? Or just Jim Beach? I never had that feeling from the guys. Well maybe a bit more since the movie when Brian talked about it but that's all. Villier, I enjoy your lives. The time-slot is not always the best for me so thank you for uploading it on youtube each time. Between , I love your voice I understand everything, which is not always easy for a non english speaker.(exemple I have some difficulties to understand Roger sometimes lol). Can't wait for the next one. |
Dougie 4 17.04.2019 16:29 |
I have never heard Roger talk about Mary, only Brian has talked about her and he has spoken very warmly of her |
doughnut 17.04.2019 17:37 |
SquirrelyOne --- It was me that sent you a PM...I have sent you another. Blenkolove Happy Hump Day :) Thor/Lee Happy Hump day to you both too :) Interesting convo last night, Dustin I saw the girl asking Brain to tag her on Instagram and then Brian's reply. I really couldn't work out what she had done wrong but I saw the abuse she was getting. Brain really needs to be careful on social media as it can be very harmful. It seemed such an innocent request and didn't warrant such a strong response. Even the nicest people aren't nice all the time. Perhaps he was having a bad day . I imagine he encounters his fair share of trolls. Chevyman and everyone else hope all good. Last day at work tomorrow then a long weekend for Easter....lots of chocolate eggs :) Russialand...I didn't realize many Russians were so homophobic although to be fair I really don't know much about Russia. Last year the Football World Cup was held in Russia and in England we were very nervous of how it would pan out with the fans . Things didn't go so well previously. However, it was all very peaceful and as far as I know there were no big problems. Russia is beautiful in parts from what I could see. |
CHEVYMAN 17.04.2019 18:18 |
Doughnut I am doing ok my grandson is driving me crazy he is three.I keep him all week while his parents work.I dont mind it keeps me moving even though I am in a wheelchair.Im sure am glad for him to go home though.Im 45 to old for a three year old. |
RussiaLand 17.04.2019 18:35 |
Doughnut, I don't think Russians are aggressively homophobic, at least from what I can see. But many people don't want their favourite singer to be gay, that's for sure. I've had the most ridiculous conversations with some fans. They start by saying they don't have anything against gays, but "Freddie was not such a person, stop throwing mud at him! Look at his eyes, they are so beautiful and kind." I then usually ask them, do they think gay people can't be beautiful and kind? And usually that's the end of the conversation. I think this is hidden homophobia, and these people don't realize themselves that they are homophobic. I need to say that a lot of Russians are not homophobic at all, and I think most of the Russian Queen community is not homophobic. But people who are scream the loudest. |
RussiaLand 17.04.2019 18:39 |
Forgot to ask, Doughnut, did you visit Russia during the World Cup? :) |
thundergod 17.04.2019 18:43 |
Hey Wonderful Queen Zoners, Once again I am off to Palm Springs in a few hours to see Lee. We will be prepping for the Villier's Live Show. Don't tell anyone, but I am a bit nervous. Live speaking does not allow for corrections like typing does. Oh well, I hope we come off reasonably sane. Anyway, please pray to the very temperamental tire gods...my two brand new Goodyear's SHOULD hold up for a 125 mile drive, but then again, who knows. At least I have AAA...oops, that is no guarantee as I have learned. I will check-in with you all a few times so I don't have to scour through 15 pages when I get home...LOL. Stay tuned for the actual date and time of the Villier's LIVE. |
CHEVYMAN 17.04.2019 18:53 |
Usually when asked a direct question that Brian wants to avoid and it keeps being asked that is his reaction.I am not trying to be unkind but he doesnt want any other stories or memories out other than those of MA because that is what Queen Productions consider family friendly and holsom.But the problem with all that history is that it was a front and I am sorry it hurt MA .But Freddie was who he was and noone has the right to change that.Everyone deserves acceptance for who they are.We Are doomed society without it. |
RussiaLand 17.04.2019 18:56 |
Good luck, Thor! And don't be nervous, imagine that you are talking to your friends, not to the faceless ether:) |
CHEVYMAN 17.04.2019 18:58 |
I wish we could have a live with Bian May and ask him a few questions how do you guys way in on this .What questions would you ask him?Be honest.This isn't for real but I am interested to know what each of us would ask him. |
Rainbow61 17.04.2019 19:12 |
Hi Thor, You and Lee will do a GREAT job! The fans don't want or need a perfect public speaker...they just want someone who is honest and genuine. That is a quality that Freddie responded to, that is what people on this thread have responded to, and that is what the fans on the live chat will respond to! |
koala 17.04.2019 20:04 |
Thor, have a safe journey and say hi to Lee for us. The prospect of seeing and hearing you two live after reading this thread for so long is super exciting. The nerves are understandable, but I'm sure you'll be great :-) |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 17.04.2019 20:18 |
Have a wonderful time, Thor! We are all very excited for the Live |
CHEVYMAN 17.04.2019 21:08 |
Good Luck to you guys! |
emdee0809 17.04.2019 22:02 |
Will enjoy hearing a voice that matches these words!! Good luck to both of you- it will be awesome!! |
emdee0809 17.04.2019 23:42 |
Blenkolove - Happy hump day although it is almost over - I'm always a bit behind with the time zone - love the camel commercial though - it makes me laugh every time I see it:) Russia - thanks for the info about those authors-it's interesting to hear the views from other countries - it amazes me that people just won't accept the fact Freddies was gay. Chevyman - I don't know how you do it - watching a three-year-old is no easy task for anyone. - what a wonderful grandmother you are!! Let him dance to some Queen music!! doughnut - just curious as to when this encounter with Brian and the girl with the photo occurred - I can't imagine being hounded by fans all the time. Squirrelly one - thanks for the insight on Queen productions - I had no idea there was a continual need to misrepresent the real Freddie Mercury - Brian and Roger seem like good guys - I am sure they had their reasons for the way Freddie was portrayed in the movie and we must remember the key word being a movie. |
Katydyd5 17.04.2019 23:45 |
Thor and Lee, good luck with the Live program. You will do fine. Just be yourselves and your genuine personalities will come through. You will have friends listening, though I'll have to wait for the YouTube version. |
The Black Queen's Kid 18.04.2019 00:09 |
Help! When I go to Villiers Instagram page ( where I got the link to her YouTube channel) it says the page isn't available. Does anyone have a link to her YouTube channel? I would hate to miss seeing the session with Lee and Thor even if I'm not able to watch it live. |
emdee0809 18.04.2019 00:15 |
Try this link for Villiers page: link |
The Black Queen's Kid 18.04.2019 01:12 |
Thank you Emdee0809. I just listened the chapter on Freddie's parents. I wish that we had all had "perfect" families, but I doubt that any of us did. Maybe you didn't marry the right person and produce grandchildren for your parents. Maybe you didn't go down the right career path (my father wanted me to be a lawyer but I became a chemist instead). Here is my song - you are perfect just as you are. Your message and career and contributions have value. The world is a better place because you are here. Thank you for being the person you are. The universe knows how special you are. Carry on, carry on, because you really matter. |
Blenkolove 18.04.2019 02:13 |
Thor, Safe travels!!.....and 'break a leg'!! I am sooo looking forward to ur and Lee's live with Villiers!!!! Shouldn't the Thundergod have direct access to the Tiregod???? Lol Wishing ALL QZers a fabulous Throwback Thursday :) Toodles |
Jo T. 18.04.2019 02:41 |
Lee and Thor, I second everybody's positive thoughts and energy about the upcoming Live. Break a leg, boys! P.S. St. Christopher is the patron saint of travelers. I don't believe Goodyear tires were around in his time. |
Jo T. 18.04.2019 02:44 |
Sorry, Blenkolove, I hadn't meant to steal your quote. |
Blenkolove 18.04.2019 03:03 |
Jo T...... Hakuna Matata!!! Have a Great Easter Weekend <3 |
Villiers2 18.04.2019 03:17 |
I'm currently trying to ride out a cold and I lost my voice (yay) yesterday. Just getting it back. So Thor, feel free to take your time on doing the live. I sound Darth f*cking Vader. There's no need to be nervous, you guys are going to do great and it's a very laid back chat. The conversation will flow naturally, I'm sure. As long as the wifi is strong! Lol |
Villiers2 18.04.2019 03:18 |
Oop, I sound like** Vader lol |
Blenkolove 18.04.2019 03:18 |
......And Happy Passover too! |
lsg 18.04.2019 03:53 |
Thor and Lee, good luck, and hey.....your biggest fans are behind you. Good luck to Villiers. It’s all good. |
thundergod 18.04.2019 04:38 |
Thank you all of you well wishers, I really appreciate it. Villiers, I leave on Tuesday Apr. 23rd at about noon. I hope we can do this thing Monday, Apr.22nd. On Monday I am only busy from 10:30 AM to 12 Noon. It would be nice to do the live sometime within the 12:30 pm to 6:00 pm time slot. That is Pacific Daylight Time or are we now in Pacific Standard Time...I always get that mixed up. |
thundergod 18.04.2019 04:39 |
By the way, the tire gods allowed me safe passage... THIS time...LOL |
doughnut 18.04.2019 06:47 |
Safe journey Thor Happy Friday |
doughnut 18.04.2019 06:50 |
Just seen , time zone ....haha Glad you got there safe and sound x |
Rainbow61 18.04.2019 07:14 |
I'm glad your journey was uneventful. The "Tire Gods" must have been looking down upon you with favor during this trip. You were probably singing "Don't Stop Me Now" in a commanding voice and they took notice! |
Tammienorrie 18.04.2019 07:25 |
Hi everyone! I'm off on a day trip to celebrate the 10th wedding anniversary (and belatedly 20th year together). Happy to see Thor traveled without problems this time, I wish all of you a good weekend and for those who celebrate it in any way an extra happy one. Depending on the time I don't think I will be able to follow the live but I wish you guys a good luck and I will surely catch it up later on yt. |
Rainbow61 18.04.2019 07:38 |
Hi Tammienorrie and a hearty congratulations to you and your spouse on the occasion of your 10th wedding anniversary. Have a great time on your day trip...those are so much fun. |
CHEVYMAN 18.04.2019 12:56 |
Speaking of anniversaries I cant believe I have been married for 25 years.I got married at 18 that seems so long ago.I wonder If Freddie were still with us If he and Jim would have gotten married. |
CHEVYMAN 18.04.2019 15:36 |
Emdee, Thanks for your kind post that little boy is my heart my everything.His name is Cbevy by the way it's my screen name.He is my sons boy.I have to admit my son was a mama's boy and gets a little jealous at times.To change that subject I cant wait to see this live interview it's actually happening awesome.I cant hardly wait till villers upload it. |
CHEVYMAN 18.04.2019 15:39 |
Emdee, He's name is Chevy I dont know where that b came from. |
doughnut 18.04.2019 15:47 |
TammieNorrie have a fab day and happy annivesary :) xxxxx Chevyman Peter has said that Freddie was traditional so he couldn't imagine he would of wanted to get married. Also once Jim was asked this in an interview I read and his reply was ' god no, we weren't stupid' or along those lines. |
CHEVYMAN 18.04.2019 16:28 |
Doughnut, so you dont think they would just waundering.It doesnt matter really they considered themselves as such anyway till Freddie died didnt they. |
doughnut 18.04.2019 16:56 |
I don't think they would have but who knows as times have changed since 1991. Peter said he was very traditional. Have you sorted out instagram ready for the live? |
Blenkolove 18.04.2019 21:51 |
Villiers.... Wishing you a speedy recovery!! |
emdee0809 18.04.2019 22:32 |
Chevy- I think I might agree with you about the marriage- to me if Freddie was traditional- it would have meant eventually getting married- which during that time it wouldn’t have even been a possibility. Also, if he gave Mary a ring, even if it was for show, marriage must not have been out of the realm of possibility. The rest of the band was married and if gay marriage would have been accepted- he may have pulled the trigger with Jim. All is pure speculation- but interesting for discussion. Lastly, when Jim said “we weren’t that stupid”- again, it would have been stupid to consider during that time period. |
CHEVYMAN 18.04.2019 23:24 |
Doughnut, It will be loaded on YouTube wont it like the others.When is it? |
Blenkolove 19.04.2019 00:33 |
For Crying Out Loud Villiers!! Just pass that dreadful stone already!!!!....You have a very important Live to broadcast!!!! If Thor can conquer the almighty Tire Gods.....YOU can Surely beat down the Dreadful Kidney Stone Gods!!!! .......too bad you couldn't enjoy that Morphine!! Lol Seriously Sis, we are here for you!!!! PLEASE feel better soon......xoxo |
NotQuiteAShilling 19.04.2019 06:13 |
Thor I agree with everyone - you guys will be GREAT. Nobody wants perfect - we just want the real and wonderful YOU. I love what Rainbows said! Ditto So glad the tire gods granted you safe passage. Holy God Villiers2 - SUCKS about your kidney stone!! I hope you are feeling better very soon Black Queen's kid - I love your philosophy! |
RussiaLand 19.04.2019 12:25 |
> A very entertaining guy named Tony (last name escapes me > right now). He used to be Man Friday (or Phoebe if you will) > for Elton John and Yoko Ono. This guy had the funniest stories > ever and his delivery and timing were great. He kept Freddie > laughing for sure. Thor, we think we have found this Tony in our Russian team of sherlockholmeses:) Is he the man on the photo that I have attached? This is Tony King (photo is from Phoebe's book "Freddie Mercury: An Intimate Memoir by the Man who Knew Him Best: An Intimate Memoir by the Man who Knew Him Best"). Here is what Phoebe writes about Tony King: "Tony King, who worked for John Lennon and Yoko Ono, and thereafter Yoko and thereafter Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall was also a constant friend in New York as he was permanently resident there." "Freddie and his good friend Tony King started up what was to become an international game known to more than a few of his friends. The 'B' Moviestar game started in a bar in New York where we each had to name an actress who while being a known name had never made the 'A' list. The likes of Viviane Ventura, Laya Raki, Britt Ekland, Tania Elg, Viveka Lindfors - sorry, girls - but you were at the top of Freddie's list. Even Joan Collins who has since become a household name due to her wonderful work on television." Lesley-Ann Jones gives a bit different description of how this game started: "Also in 1975, Elton teamed up with a second Scot carving a name for himself: Rod Stewart. <...> It was during the sessions for this LP that they hit upon the old theatrical custom of calling themselves by women's names. Elton was dubbed Sharon Cavendish, a name which he would use routinely on tour. Rod was Phyllis, after the actress Phyllis Diller. <...> When Freddie found out, he had to join in, and became Melina Mercouri. <...> Freddie would one day employ an entire entourage known by female names. His PA was Phoebe (Peter Freestone), his former lover turned chef was Liza (Joe Fanelli), and his personal manager Paul Prenter was Trixie. Nor were friends and band members immune: Brian was Maggie, as in Rod's hit 'Maggie May'. Roger was Liz, for Elizabeth Taylor. <...> and Mick Jagger's assistant and Freddie's long-standing friend, Tony King, became Joy. Mary Austin, taking things the other way, was Steve, as in TV's 'The Six Million Dollar Man', Steve Austin. Did she mind? 'Nobody was allowed to mind!' laughed Phoebe. 'You knew that someone was accepted if they got "a name". John Deacon never had one, curiously. Perhaps because he was so shy.'" Finally, Peter Hince says in his book that John Deacon had a nickname "Belisha (Belisha Beacon?)", but that's not a female name:) I hope this long post has been useful! :) |
Spreadwingsgirl 19.04.2019 14:10 |
On the topic of marriage Peter Freestone writes in his blog: „Barbara asked if I thought Freddie and Jim would have got married, if it was possible, as it is now legal. To be honest, I don’t think it would have happened. Freddie was very traditional in his thoughts and for him marriage was between a husband and wife. Freddie was very happy to be in a relationship with Jim, but I think Freddie carried it as far as he felt he was able to. Freddie was a very complicated person, and some of the things he did were contrary to his traditional up-bringing, but he did what HE felt comfortable doing.“ Of course, this is a hypothetical question, but I don't think Peter can even know what Freddie would think of a same-sex marriage today. The society has changed a lot in the past thirty years, it is quite possible that Freddie's opinions would change as well. And we don't know what his personal life would be like ... By the way, I read that, for example, Elton John was not a big fan of same-sex marriage (he said in 2008 he preferred civil partnerships over marriage for gay people) - and where he is today. I am very much looking forward to live chat on Instagram. |
doughnut 19.04.2019 17:33 |
villiers I turned into your live yesterday am (uk time) and I said hello. I don't know if you saw it as I had to sign off and go to work . As others have said 'get that kidney stone out ' I love your accent by the way :) Thor and Lee I have you are having a blast :) Chevyman if you miss the live I wouldn't worry as I'm sure that Villiers will upload it to her youtube account. I think Thor said he will tell us when it is going to go ahead so we don't miss it. We will never know if they would have gotten married, although I don't think they would have done it whilst Freddie's parents were alive out of respect. peace out |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 17:42 |
Hi This is totally unrelated to Freddie , other than it's a photo of London, where Freddie lived, but I thought I'd share the photo I took on Westminster bridge in around 2005, maybe. I use it as the wallpaper on my tablet, and am considering getting it made into a large canvas at a photo shop. It was taken on a late November evening and it had been tipping down with rain. I was soaked to the skin! Suffering for my "art"! :-) But, those weather conditions proved VERY atmospheric. Hope you enjoy! Happy Holidays to you all. BTW I saw Mercury (the Queen Tribute band endorsed by Jer) in concert last night! Wow! Fabulous! They really rocked the house! I thoroughly enjoyed my little self! :-) Bye for now, peeps ! |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 17:52 |
Not sure if that worked! Let's try again! |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 17:54 |
Let me know if it works! For me it says "file wont open"! Mystery to me! |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 18:07 |
Once more .... |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 18:09 |
Blimey will anything work ...? |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 18:11 |
FINALLY! It worked! Phew! Didn't take that long to take the photo! |
doughnut 19.04.2019 18:36 |
Freddiedarling I was able to view all of the photos lol....you nutter. I was black at first but then loaded up your photo. I think it's a great idea to put it onto canvas. Glad you had a great time at the tribute act show.....I don't have anyone into queen like me so I can't go to any tribute acts lol Did you buy the Freddie doll on e bay ? |
doughnut 19.04.2019 18:37 |
arrrr it was black at first not i was black at first |
koala 19.04.2019 19:32 |
FreddieDarling, nice photo! I saw a Queen tribute band (a different one, though) a few years ago, and although it was perfectly decent, I couldn’t quite get into it for some reason. Glad you had a blast. Doughnut, don’t let the lack of company stop you from going to shows. I had a similar problem, so I just started going alone and it’s great. You can be completely immersed in the music without worrying about anyone else (and it’s not like you can have a conversation during a show anyway, so it’s really not a big deal). Villers, I’m sorry about your misfortunes. First a cold and now a kidney stone? Damn. Keeping my fingers crossed for a speedy recovery. |
koala 19.04.2019 19:57 |
On the subject of Freddie and gay marriage…I doubt he ever seriously considered it as it was so out of the realm of possibility when he was alive. Not only in a political sense, but also due to the effect something like that would have had on his career had it been an option. Not to even mention his parents’ feelings. But as someone has mentioned, A LOT has changed in this regard since then, and it’s impossible to predict what Freddie would be like now. Not only has society changed, but he himself would have undoubtedly changed as a person in these 30 years. One thing I find interesting, thought, is that, despite his apparent traditional leanings, he felt comfortable using marriage terminology in his gay relationships (calling Jim his husband) and even enacted marriage rituals (the ring). He probably wouldn’t have done that had he felt marriage as concept was, in a moral sense (for lack of a better term), completely irreconcilable with non-hetero relationships. Naturally, I could be completely wrong about this. |
lsg 19.04.2019 21:58 |
It opened for me the first time, and it’s beautiful. Worthy of painting in oils
FreddieDarling wrote: Not sure if that worked! Let's try again! |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 22:14 |
Yikes! So it did open for other people?! Oops! My apologies for boring you all to a stupor! It was my bloody photo, so God knows why it wasn't opening the file for me! Grrrrr! Doughnut, I'm sure if you went alone to a Queen tribute concert you'd still have a blast. You'd have a lot in common with those around you and probably get chatting. I commissioned 5 wooden spoons with members of Queen etched on with a pyrography pen (burns the design into the wood) the artist Stuart Faulkner did a fabulous job. There was a Freddie, Brian, John, Roger and a Spike for their keyboard player.:-) if anyone wants to see I can post a photo of them (in only _one_ post, hopefully! LOL!) It's their 20th anniversary of touring which is why I treated them to these spoons. We also had a photo mug printed for their lively tea-man and Merchandise seller "H". The band posted a photo of him dressed in the crown and gown regalia so we had that printed on! My sister also bought plectrums, plectrum cases. Guitar spoons and a drummer T Shirt for them ! Great night! Doughnut, no haven't bought little Freddie yet, the auction ends in Sunday. If I don't get him there's one available to buy from Japan, but that could incur extra import taxes. Also it's more than I REALLY wanted to pay! I want this boy! :-) Have you seen the new bust if Freddie? Hmmm. I'm not mega impressed. :-/ yet again, facially the sculpture doesn't really resemble Freddie, just a feller with short hair and a moustache. This one looks like he has bags under his eyes! Have a great Friday/Saturday, peeps! |
FreddieDarling 19.04.2019 23:00 |
Villiers, I do hope you recover soon. Kidney stones can be a nasty business. Poor old Samuel Pepys had one surgically removed (sans anaesthetic, of course!), left him with a hole that wouldn't heal in his scrotum for the rest of his life! Thank God for modern medicine! Was that too much information for everyone? Sometimes I'm told that I fall prey to T.M.I. :-/ |
emdee0809 19.04.2019 23:26 |
Freddiedarling - your picture downloaded for me on the first try - it would be gorgeous on canvas - absolutely beautiful - I am so envious - I have been in love with the city of London since I was a teen - always wanted to visit but don't know if I will ever get that opportunity. I would love to see a picture of your spoons if you are willing to share. doughnut - smiled when you commented on Viiliers accent since I don't hear an accent :) Thor and Lee - hope all is well as you're enjoying this holiday weekend!! Hope the weather is better on the west coast than it is on the east coast!! Viiliers - sent some good vibes your way - didn't catch your live last night, but glad you felt good enough to chat. Happy weekend to all - another work week in the books!! |
The Black Queen's Kid 19.04.2019 23:37 |
FreddieDarling, I don't even have a scrotum, yet I started having sympathetic pains after that story! Oh my word! |
Katydyd5 19.04.2019 23:59 |
FreddieDarling, I saw your photo on the first try, and it's lovely. Definitely would look good on canvas. I'd also like to see the wooden spoons. Villiers, I must have missed something. Didn't know you were dealing with kidney stones, but I hope that resolves soon. Good luck! Thor and Lee, hope you are having a good time! |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 07:20 |
Hopefully !!! Here are my wooden spoons (well, they belong to the band members if Mercury now) Spike is simply wonderful, I think. |
doughnut 20.04.2019 10:52 |
love the wooden spons I hear a definite accent when I listen to Villiers talk. :) |
Katydyd5 20.04.2019 11:13 |
Thanks for sharing the spoons! I admire anyone who has artistic talent as I have absolutely none. |
CHEVYMAN 20.04.2019 15:19 |
Katydyd,But everyone Is good at something. You have a way with words .Before joining this thread your posts were the ones I was reading that prompted me to join. |
doughnut 20.04.2019 16:45 |
just though I'd say here in little old Essex in the UK it's been hot hot hot. I get very happy when it's hot. I am a little pink lol Do you have Easter in your countries ? sorry if I am being dumb lol |
Rainbow61 20.04.2019 17:35 |
doughnut...I live in the US, and yes, we celebrate Easter here. Easter is the most important religious holiday for many Christian denominations. Easter church services are usually very joyful. A fun tradition is for children to receive Easter baskets at home, delivered by the Easter Bunny while you are sleeping. The baskets are often filled with chocolate eggs and jelly beans and maybe some Peeps (colorful cute chicks or bunnies made of marshmallow). Easter egg hunts are also very popular...our church is having one after Mass this Sunday...but it is not necessarily a church activity. Our local Medical Center has a huge Easter egg hunt on their grounds with 10,000 eggs! I love the story that Jamal Cooke (Kashmira's son) tells about getting the huge Easter egg from Freddie when he was a kid...it was bigger than he was. Knowing Freddie, it was made of Godiva Chocolate! I wonder how one begins to eat something that large? I guess you start with an ear like everyone else does! LOL CHEVY...Yes, you are right...we are all good at something, have some skill or talent. It's not necessarily something that stands out to many...it might be just the way we quietly go about our day and make a difference with the people that we love. |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 17:58 |
I'm guessing you'd have to take a hammer to a chocolate egg of that size! Let's hope they were playing Hammer To Fall when they cracked it! :-) In the Daily Mail today there was an article about a young girl who's class bought duck eggs from the supermarket and they had a incubating them, and this little girls hatched out into the sweetest little duckling! Bless! What a lucky duck ! |
doughnut 20.04.2019 18:15 |
Oh Rainbow I can just image what an easter egg from Freddie would have been like...nom nom. As FreddieDarling said, we would probably have needed a hammer to crack it ....I'm laughing to myself typing this. FreddieDarling, every year at my daughters school they get chick eggs and wait for them to hatch. All of the children love it and one lucky family gets to bring them home for a weekend before they have to leave. I have a crazy dog so you can imagine my relief when my daughters name wasn't picked out of the hat. Rainnow Easter sounds such fun where you live. The easter bunny comes to my house too although I feel this is the last year :( My youngest is 11 and will be attending big school in September so she will soon forget about all these lovely things. Santa, tooth fairy etc etc. I'm thinking of chartering a private jet to join in your local medical center's high eater easter egg hunt. because just wow ...10,000 eggs . Where in the US do you live so I can tell the pilot ? ;) What was I thinking, christian denominations aren't just for the UK....DOH.....I get so confused as there are just so many different religions . |
doughnut 20.04.2019 18:18 |
please excuse my spelling....I type fast and assume I have typed what I intended :) |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 18:30 |
Doughnut I am the Emperor of Typos! You're occasional little finger glitches are rare. You need Alan Turing to crack some of my coded gibberish! Aaah, I'd have loved to have hatched an egg(in an incubator, you understand, not by me sitting on it!) The best we did was grow mustard and dress in an egg shell with a face drawn on it with felt tip pen ! We did always end up with the school guinea pigs every school holiday ! And we had the school gerbil, Sandy one year!! Probably because we had a menagerie of our own ! Animals! The purest spirits on the planet! God bless em all! Daily Mail!again! There is a donkey who measures 16h 3 (that's 5ft 7 inches in "old money") to the Withers! That is a BLOODY BIG donkey! Donkey Kong!! :-0 |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 18:33 |
When I eat a Lindt bunny I start at the pompom furst!. Am I strange? |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 18:34 |
*first! See, Doughnut, don't worry, matey. My typos are Legion! For they are many! |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 18:37 |
*mustard and CRESS, not dress! Damnit! :-( |
Katydyd5 20.04.2019 19:05 |
Chevy, thanks so much for the compliment! That was nice to hear. I've always wished I was more crafty. I have friends who get together to make things...……..and they invite me to watch. LOL, they know me well. |
RussiaLand 20.04.2019 19:21 |
We have Easter in Russia too:) But it's on a different date, April 28 this year. Russian branch of Christianity is called Eastern Orthodox Church, and it celebrates Christmas and Easter on different dates than in western countries. Christmas is on January 7. For Easter, it's a tradition to dye eggs. Also, there are many other religions other than Christianity in Russia, and many people don't celebrate Christian holidays. |
Rainbow61 20.04.2019 19:22 |
Just looked back at my "Freddie Mercury's Royal Recipes" cookbook...the one that Peter Freestone wrote. He said: "As most of you know, Freddie loved the various seasonal festivities. While not at the top of the list, Easter could be great fun. It was almost a case of "my egg is bigger than yours" from childhood, coming around all over again. Of course no one ever bettered the eggs that Freddie gave to his friends, usually from Godiva in Mayfair. Over the years we tried the usual Easter specialties, Hot Cross Buns and Simnel Cake which always went down well, probably appreciated more by Freddie's guests, than Freddie himself." Peter's cookbook is filled with many great stories like this. This is one of my favorite Freddie books! I had no idea what a Simnel Cake was...Peter described it as a "rich fruit cake with a fairly large amount of marzipan baked in it." I've never had marzipan either. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't marzipan more of a European treat? |
Rainbow61 20.04.2019 19:23 |
Thor and Lee, Did you ever receive a Godiva Easter Egg from Freddie? How will you spend Easter? |
emdee0809 20.04.2019 20:12 |
Rainbow 61 - your description of the holiday was spot on. I would like to add that it is also a time for our extended family to gather for a celebration that includes lots of food and drink!! I am not sure if this is a tradition for everyone on Easter, but we sure enjoy it!! FreddieDarling - the spoons are definitely not for cooking:) A very unique piece of artwork. Happy Saturday to everyone - I need to get started on making my own Easter baskets. Just a thought - I don't think there is any "right" way to eat a chocolate Easter bunny - but the ears are just too tempting not to bite off!! How about a chocolate Freddie? Could we even take a bite of it?:) |
Katydyd5 20.04.2019 20:17 |
Hey Rainbow, thanks for the description of a simnel cake. I had never heard of it, but I think I would like it. I'm one of those people who actually likes fruit cake, and I also like marzipan, so it would be something I would like. I don't eat sweets very often, but I have to have Cadbury Crème Eggs at Easter! I got a pack to put into my grandkids' Easter baskets. Sadly for them, the eggs disappeared before I put the baskets together. Oh well, they will never know. The only candy I knew Freddie liked was that Quality Street candy. There is a picture of him with a big jar of it one Christmas. I happened to find it in The Vermont Country Store catalog so I got some for Christmas this year. The kids called it Freddie's Candy. It's fun because every piece is different. |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 21:59 |
Marzipan is gorgeous! Tastes of sweet almonds! Yum! I could, if I allowed myself, just sit and pinch off nibble size pieces of a block of it. Don't you have rich fruit Christmas cakes in the U.S. with a layer of marzipan and then icing and decorations ? Isn't it funny the things you take for granted as being universal which actually aren't?! How to eat a chocolate Freddie! Lick him very slowly! :-) *dirty laugh* |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 22:02 |
My eldest sister has worked at Cadbury's for 30 years! I love Cadbury's Creme Eggs, too. I have to eat them alone I secret! I like the lockout the gooey fondant! NOT a pretty sight! |
FreddieDarling 20.04.2019 22:05 |
Looks like Rudi Dolezal's is also planning to come out with book about Freddie also maybe a documentary. link |
thundergod 20.04.2019 23:00 |
Well, nothing like waiting for the last moment for scheduling news...LOL Lee and I are hoping that Villiers is well enough to have the live this Monday. I believe the UN-confirmed time at this point is 1:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time. (London time would be 9PM) If she needs until Tuesday to recover, that would work as well. I hope to get back to San Diego sometime Tuesday evening or late evening. I can't imagine not having a date and time set by tomorrow. Thanks All, I am preparing for the live and will not be able to offer any comments or answer questions until I am back in San Diego. |
CHEVYMAN 20.04.2019 23:32 |
Sorry about that Thor try and have a Happy Easter guy! |
The Black Queen's Kid 20.04.2019 23:34 |
I would like to share this milestone with you wonderful people - I made it to Easter this year without purchasing or consuming a single Cadbury egg! I typically indulge non-stop with the evil things, but I'm trying to get into better physical shape for a vacation in Arizona 8 weeks from now. Being able to resist Cadbury eggs, Reeses eggs, and jelly beans may be an indication that I've achieved adulthood (at the tender age of 60). No temptation with "Peeps" for me. They remind me of stale marshmallows that got dropped in the sand. |
Katydyd5 21.04.2019 00:01 |
FreddieDarling, the only fruitcakes I've seen here are just plain with no icing, and no marzipan. BQK, I'm bad with the Reese's Peanut Butter eggs too. I like to put them in the freezer and tell myself they won't be such a temptation if I have to wait to thaw one out. Not so, they are delicious frozen. As for peeps, I like them but only if the package has been opened, they've sat on the counter for days and are hard and chewy. They do have cotton candy flavored Peeps this year though and I know my grandkids got me some. I will probably love them. |
thundergod 21.04.2019 00:26 |
I'm not sure I understand what you meant CHEVY. I am perfectly healthy and will, I'm sure have a very nice Easter. Villiers is the one who is sick if that is what you meant by "TRY to have a happy Easter." |
thundergod 21.04.2019 00:29 |
Hummm…"I am sure I will have a nice Easter." |
Katydyd5 21.04.2019 00:55 |
Thor, thanks for the update on the unconfirmed time. That gives me some time between now and then to try and figure Instagram out. I'd love to watch it live, but if I can't, no big deal. I'll catch it on YouTube. |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 01:46 |
Thor , sorry about that I read back and saw she was sick.Iwas just letting You know to have a happy holiday hope your travel home is a safe one. |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 02:24 |
Villers,Hope you feel better soon it's no fun being sick. |
Villiers2 21.04.2019 04:46 |
Hey Thor, Lee and I have been chatting about Monday the 22nd at 1pm PST if that works for you? He said that may be too early, so anytime before 4pm CST is good with me. Let let me know what you guys prefer, and I'll start promoting it. Also, he says you guys did get a chance to look over the questions and pick some you liked. If yall have them picked, feel free to shoot em back over to me so I can scribble down a quick script to work from. Thanks again for being so patient. This kidney stone thing had me thinking I was going to die Thursday. I did not know pain like that existed. A CT, 5 emergency doctors and 3 ultrasounds later, we find it's a kidney stone. Insanity. I asked why 2 rounds of morphine back to back didn't help the pain and they said it's often compared to the pain of childbirth. Oh. Ok. Makes sense! Filling up with water and being doctored at home by a loved one so I'm happy to say I'm in the mend. Thanks for all the well wishes, everyone. I did catch my brother's cold right before. Turns out the back pain I was feeling during that time wasn't related to the cold at all. Or the fever. Go figure! |
Jo T. 21.04.2019 05:05 |
Villiers2, I'm glad to hear you're on the mend. Godspeed in your recovery! If the pain gets too unbearable, we understand if you have to cancel and reschedule the Live. Are you presently located in CST? For some crazy reason, I thought you lived in the UK. |
Jo T. 21.04.2019 05:59 |
Correction: Sorry, peeps, I was wrong, wrong, wrong - AGAIN! The time zone for London is five (5) hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time (EST) in the U.S., NOT four (4) hours ahead like I had erroneously reported on 4/13/19 on p. 197! My bad. I should’ve consulted the World Clock on my iPad 1st. I’d hate for people who live in EST to lose out on the Live, if they believe they’re 4 hours behind London, instead of 5. Daylight saving time messed up my math (Spring forward, fall back.). I wasn’t aware the UK adopted daylight saving, too. BTW, EST is 3 hours ahead of PST. Actually, it was Thor who unintentionally alerted me I had erred on the time zone. I thought HE was off by one (1) hour, but it was actually me. He had reported that the Live might be 1 PM, Pacific Standard Time (PST), when it would be 9 PM London time. I thought it should’ve been 2 PM, PST. Sorry, Thor, I shouldn’t have doubted your accuracy in the 1st place. However, it made me realize MY inaccuracy. For those who live in the UK, you operate under British Summer Time, right, and NOT Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) or Universal Time (UT)? I learned about British Summer Time for the 1st time earlier tonight. I always assumed Londoners operated under GMT, because Greenwich is a suburb of London? Please clarify. @RussiaLand, it’s a tradition in the U.S. to dye eggs, too. What part of Russia are you from? 2 of my good friends from high school majored in Russian in college and have shared the language and love of Russian literature to me over the years. One of them and I had recently talked about visiting breathtaking Lake Baikal in eastern Siberia one day. I’d like to dive in the Lake and visit Moscow and St. Petersburg, as well. @FreddieDarling, what a lovely photo of the Westminster Bridge in London @ dusk! Well, it’s 1:58 AM, EST, in my time zone. I bet Queenzone shall date/time it as 5:58 AM, another reason why I was lead to believe London was 4 hours ahead, instead of 5. |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 07:21 |
Jo T. Well Britain is smack bang on the Greenwich Meridian line so yes we use G.M.T. but as I believe you in the U.S do, every last Sunday in March we put the clocks forward an hour (Spring Forward) so we have lighter evenings for longer. And the last Sunday in October, we put the clock BACK an hour (Fall Back, though we always use the word autumn) so that it's lighter in the morning for travelling to school/work etc. If you use the same time frames to adjust your clocks we will still be "n" hours ahead of you. To complicate history before the era of the railways when it became necessary bdhe to railway timetables, different parts of our little nation had slightly different time zones. The West Coast I think was about 15 minutes behind of the East Coast as obviously the Sun rises in the West and takes a certain Amount if time to appear at a certain position in the sky thanit dies on the opposite coast. During World War II the government imposed Double British Summertime meaning that in Spring the clocks went forward 2 hours, this was to allow the farmers to have as many hours of daylight as possible to tend to and gather the harvest as we had to suddenly become far more self sufficient as trading from overseas became tremendously difficult with us being at war with many of the nation's we traded with and the dangers to Merchant ships from the Navies of "the enemy" . Never heard of Universal Time by the way!. Black Queen"s Kid! Wow! I had no idea you got Cadbury's Creme eggs in the US. ! |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 07:21 |
Jo T. Well Britain is smack bang on the Greenwich Meridian line so yes we use G.M.T. but as I believe you in the U.S do, every last Sunday in March we put the clocks forward an hour (Spring Forward) so we have lighter evenings for longer. And the last Sunday in October, we put the clock BACK an hour (Fall Back, though we always use the word autumn) so that it's lighter in the morning for travelling to school/work etc. If you use the same time frames to adjust your clocks we will still be "n" hours ahead of you. To complicate history before the era of the railways when it became necessary bdhe to railway timetables, different parts of our little nation had slightly different time zones. The West Coast I think was about 15 minutes behind of the East Coast as obviously the Sun rises in the West and takes a certain Amount if time to appear at a certain position in the sky thanit dies on the opposite coast. During World War II the government imposed Double British Summertime meaning that in Spring the clocks went forward 2 hours, this was to allow the farmers to have as many hours of daylight as possible to tend to and gather the harvest as we had to suddenly become far more self sufficient as trading from overseas became tremendously difficult with us being at war with many of the nation's we traded with and the dangers to Merchant ships from the Navies of "the enemy" . Never heard of Universal Time by the way!. Black Queen"s Kid! Wow! I had no idea you got Cadbury's Creme eggs in the US. ! |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 07:26 |
Jo T. Well Britain is smack bang on the Greenwich Meridian line so yes we use G.M.T. but as I believe you in the U.S do, every last Sunday in March we put the clocks forward an hour (Spring Forward) so we have lighter evenings for longer. And the last Sunday in October, we put the clock BACK an hour (Fall Back, though we always use the word autumn) so that it's lighter in the morning for travelling to school/work etc. If you use the same time frames to adjust your clocks we will still be "X" hours ahead of you. To complicate history before the era of the railways when it became necessary bdhe to railway timetables, different parts of our little nation had slightly different time zones. The West Coast I think was about 15 minutes behind of the East Coast as obviously the Sun rises in the West and takes a certain amount of time to appear at a certain position in the sky than it does on the opposite coast. During World War II the government imposed Double British Summertime meaning that in Spring the clocks went forward 2 hours, this was to allow the farmers to have as many hours of daylight as possible to tend to and gather the harvest as we had to suddenly become far more self sufficient as trading from overseas became tremendously difficult with us being at war with many of the nation's we traded with and the dangers to merchant ships from the Navies of "the enemy" . Never heard of Universal Time by the way!. Black Queen"s Kid! Wow! I had no idea you got Cadbury's Creme eggs in the U.S. ! Treat yourself to one! They only appear a few months if each year! Isn't that funny about the Fruit Christmas cake ! You imagine these things are everywhere! Have a great Sunday, peeps! Don't scoff too many eggs! :-) I'm hoping to bag my little Fredie doll (SH Figuart Neca figure) in about 3 hours! Fingers crossed! |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 07:28 |
Sorry! It's buy one get two free day! Dunno what happened! I only tapped once! Honestly! |
Rainbow61 21.04.2019 07:55 |
Happy Easter...and many blessings to all. |
doughnut 21.04.2019 09:02 |
ok so I am confused, it doesn't take much ..hha ha ...what time will it be in the UK when Villiers does the live with Thor and Lee? and is it now Tuesday. I haven't touch a single easter egg yet but if I had a Freddie one I will surely lick it very slowly he he he I don't like Cadbury Cream eggs. I am also surprised you have them in the US. I don't like Reece chocolate or Hersey's chocolate ....sorry. Infact I'm not even keen of Cadbury's. My favorite is Galaxy or any dark chocolate . My daugher's friend brought her some chocolate and sweets back from Florida recently. I did have to chuckle as there was a safety warning on the chewy sweets packet. I've not seen such a warning on our sweet packets. RussiaLand I can't imagine christmas being on 7th January, it's funny how things are so different all over the world. Is anyone going to see the new Elton film when it comes out? I am looking forward to it xxxxxxx |
Villiers2 21.04.2019 10:12 |
For those confused about the time: Google "time in Houston Texas now" and that's CST. You can use that to figure out what time it'll be for you wherever you are in the world. I still have not heard from them about the exact time but it looks like we are aiming for 1 PST which is 3 CST (Texas time). America alone has about 4 different time zones so bare with us, thanks |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 10:59 |
I'm jumping for joy!!!!! I GOT HIM ! I GOT HIM ! I GOT HIM ! I "won" my Freddie at auction! I'm chuffed to little buttons! Can't wait to get my hands on him! I seriously shouldn't be this excited by a dolly at my age! Dear me, Freddie what HAVE you done to me?! |
emdee0809 21.04.2019 12:01 |
Happy Easter to everyone- no matter what time of the day it is! Time zones are so confusing- I thought London was 6 hours a head of EST based on my observations watching the Olympics a few years back. Freddiedarling- congratulations on winning your auction- please send a picture when he arrives:) Villiers- thanks for keeping us updated on the live- glad your on the road to recovery Thor and Lee- hope going over all those questions for your live brought back special memories of your friendship with Freddie-Happy Easter! |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 12:16 |
Good Morning to all its 7am where I live in the United states of Oklahoma .Happy Happy Easter to Everyone! |
Jo T. 21.04.2019 12:34 |
doughnut wrote: ok so I am confused, it doesn't take much ..hha ha ...what time will it be in the UK when Villiers does the live with Thor and Lee? Is anyone going to see the new Elton film when it comes out? I am looking forward to it xxxxxxxSorry, I didn't mean to confuse everybody. Based on the World Clock on my iPad, the UK should be eight (8) hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time (PST) or "Thor Time!" LOL He's right. When it's 1 PM PST, it's 9 PM your time. I plan to see the Elton John biopic when it comes out. I saw the preview and can't wait. I wonder if Freddie shall be in it? |
Villiers2 21.04.2019 13:38 |
THOR AND LEE LIVE OFFICIAL TIME AND DATE: Monday April 22nd @ 1 PM PST (California time). Sorry for not checking my email spam folder sooner. Thor got back to me pretty quick to confirm the time but I missed it earlier. I look forward to chatting with you guys tomorrow. It'll be a pleasure. |
doughnut 21.04.2019 14:54 |
right so the time in the Uk is 3.50 pm and in California it is 07:50 so that is a fair bit behind us, 8 hours as Jo.T said...this means I shall be listening in at 9 pm uk time. Phew glad I got there in the end. I have never even heard of PST Time and why are there different time zones in the US....are you trying to confuse ushe he he |
doughnut 21.04.2019 14:59 |
so have any of you ever seen a movie star ? Jennifer Aniston or George Clooney . I realize the US is big but you have a lot of movie stars lol Also what is the weather like where you are, I'm curious lol Freddie Darlling congratulations on your win, maybe he can play with your Barbie dolls if you still have then ;) |
Katydyd5 21.04.2019 15:07 |
Villiers, thanks for the official time. CA is three hours behind me so that still gives me plenty of time to figure out Instagram...…….or to wait on YouTube. Hope you are feeling better. I had a kidney stone once but it was asymptomatic so I never had the pain. I understand it can be unbearable. Hope the water you are drinking does the trick. I had to have mine blasted with shock waves, which was easier than what I think you are trying to do. Good luck! Weather here is very spring-like. Sunny, slightly cool. Autumn is my favorite time of year, but this is a close second. Happy Easter to those who celebrate! |
doughnut 21.04.2019 16:12 |
Jo.T I hadn't thought about Freddie appearing in the Elton movie I hope he is :) Chevyman and Thor....it's like a comedy sketch with you too ....you make me smile :) I wish emoji's worked on this group . Last time I tried it came out as question marks. I am excited for the live, we need some sort of code so we can spot each other...obviously I am Doughnut but on Instagram I am debbiedoughnuts :) Another lovely day here in Essex, Uk. My absolute fav season is Summer....it makes everything feel so much better and everyone seems happier . |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 17:11 |
Hi Doughnut I'm afraid I didn't own a Barbie. I was a proper tomboy! I was into bugs, toy cars, dinosaurs, Lego and reading! Not very girly was I ? |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 17:31 |
I definitely plan to see "Rocket Man" I like me a bit idf Elton! Adverts are all over the telly for it here. Somehow doubt Freddie will be shown in it. |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 17:32 |
I loathe Summer! Its Autumn all the way for me! |
NeverTooLate 21.04.2019 17:55 |
Happy Easter & Passover All! Hope to see the upcoming interview live. For those confused about the times, the live interview is planned to start in the US on 4/22: 1pm PDT (Pacific Daylight Time) --> California, that's where Thor & Lee are 2pm MDT (Mountain Daylight Time) --> Colorado and states in that zone 3pm CDT (Central Daylight Time) ---> that's Viellers2 4pm EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) ---> that's New York & East Coast states 9pm in London (London is 8 hrs ahead of California and 5 hrs ahead of New York) If you need help in converting time of one zone to another anywhere in the world, this link may help: link |
Blenkolove 21.04.2019 17:57 |
Happy Easter Peeps!!! Lol It's a perfect day here in Sunny Florida.....plan on taking grands to park so they can burn off All that sugar energy!!!! In our house, we love the Very large elongated ears hollow chocolate bunny. We all fight over the ears!! It's made by a chocolate co. called Palmers....and it's really cheap milk chocolate.....but Tradition is Tradition!!! The Godiva gold wrapped bunny is delish.....but everyone gets their own....with no bargaining involved...so boring!!! Have an awesome day!!! |
doughnut 21.04.2019 18:31 |
1pm PDT (Pacific Daylight Time) --> California, that's where Thor & Lee are 2pm MDT (Mountain Daylight Time) --> Colorado and states in that zone 3pm CDT (Central Daylight Time) ---> that's Viellers2 4pm EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) ---> that's New York & East Coast states Wowza, this is crazy lol. Explain what Mountain daylight time is please ? FreddieDarling I was a tomboy too...I liked climbing trees, jumping in mud , playing bulldog with the boys etc etc. My youngest is a bit too, she plays in a girls football team; I would have killed to do this when I was her age |
RussiaLand 21.04.2019 18:42 |
Jo T., I live in the western part of Russia, on the banks of the Volga River. Yeah, I would love to go to Lake Baikal too, I haven't been there! I hope one day I go! :) It's so beautiful. It's interesting that your friends majored in Russian in college. It's the second time that I hear that people actually study Russian abroad:) I didn't realize this until I met one American woman who told me her husband studied Russian in college and was able to speak Russian quite fluently, she said she wished he was there to talk to me in Russian:) |
doughnut 21.04.2019 18:45 |
Quick questions for anyone who has 'freddies royal recipes '. Does it has Vegi options ? |
thundergod 21.04.2019 19:25 |
Oh My God, Please forgive me everyone. I had an emergency at home that needed immediate attention and had to drive back to San Diego at 3 AM this morning. I have contacted Katie with the bad news. I do not have wi-fi, so a three-way connection is not possible. I am trying to reschedule the broadcast. I will be back in Palm Springs in 3-4 weeks for some business with Brandon (my ex). Again, I am so, so sorry. |
Rainbow61 21.04.2019 20:51 |
Thor, So sorry to hear about your emergency. You take care of what needs to be tended to...the fans will always be here when you return! |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 21:11 |
Doughnut, I agree I think Thor and I could take our gig on the road .what do you think?I bet he will respond back to this that sweet thing he will just watch.I do love his personality.We would have a cat fight if left together in a room.But in the end I would be happy to put bandages on the scrathes.We have strong personalities I think. |
NotQuiteAShilling 21.04.2019 21:15 |
Oh Thor is everything and everyone ok??!! You poor thing...Please don't stress on the Live - we understand and want you to take care of loved ones and yourself!! |
NotQuiteAShilling 21.04.2019 21:18 |
Besides that will give Villiers more time to recover and prepare. She's probably secretly relieved. I really hope everything is ok. Sending good thoughts your way... |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 21:25 |
Thor, I hope everything is okay.I dont know what happened but my prayers are with you. |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 21:59 |
Hope all is well with you soon, Thor. Happy Bank Holiday my lovely Peeps! |
FreddieDarling 21.04.2019 22:03 |
BTW this will give you a good indication of how obsessed I was to buy my little Freddie! Last night I dreamt I had had to buy the one in Japan, and when the postman delivered it he said I had to pay him£1,200 in import duties! I think I'm Going Slightly Mad! Glad I'm not the only tomboy here! I was forever digging around in the dirt instead of playing dollies tea parties! :-) |
thundergod 21.04.2019 22:05 |
My twin bathroom sinks got clogged and water from the unit above me ran down and out all over the floor. This in turn, created a flood down into the parking garage. Someone must have reported it and management called me at 2AM. It could be either my responsibility if the clog is in the vertical pipes or the complexes responsibility if it is in the horizontal pipes. I have to get the plumber here but I don't know of any that are working on Easter Sunday...lol |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 22:48 |
Thor, That sucks but at least you not responsible for the cost. |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 22:53 |
Freddie darling, I'm a tomboy myself I would much rather hang with guys than girls. |
Blenkolove 21.04.2019 22:56 |
Thor....hope u get ur plumbing problems taken care of....Me thinks with ur plumbing issue, and Villiers plumbing (stone) problem.....Freddie may be sending you a message....it's not the right time. The right time will present itself and we"ll ALL be waiting here for you! Take care..... |
thundergod 21.04.2019 23:01 |
Let's try that again... "It could be… my responsibility if the clog is in the vertical pipes" |
CHEVYMAN 21.04.2019 23:18 |
Sorry about that I misunderstood you.I am not much of a plumber so assume you must live in apartments not a personal property.I thought It was all their responsibility when you rented someone else's property. |
Villiers2 21.04.2019 23:31 |
Sorry to hear about that, Thor. After my hospital visit, I definitely understand an emergency popping up at the last second. We can always reschedule, no problem |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 21.04.2019 23:39 |
Gosh Thor I’m so sorry. I hope everything turns out ok. |
NeverTooLate 21.04.2019 23:49 |
Oh geez, Thor. Flooding and (possible) water damage is maddening. For your sake I hope it's the horizontal pipes that created the problem and that everything will get fixed and any water damage in your unit will be fully covered. |
Saint Jiub 21.04.2019 23:53 |
Thor - I wonder if Jim Beach, Brian May, and Jacky Gunn Smith have connections to Hell, and are calling in favor$$$ to punish those who blaspheme against the official gospel narrative according to Jim Beach??? LOL Hopefully, with the parking garage being below (not living quarters), the life disruption will be somewhat manageable and only easily replaceable items got damaged ... hopefully only drywall and flooring needs replacement. Good Luck ... and Keep Passing the Open Windows ... |
Freddienotfreddy 21.04.2019 23:54 |
Thor, I echo all the other sentiments and wish good luck with the home repairs. Villers2, I'm glad you are on the mend. I hope everyone had a joyful holiday weekend, whichever holiday you observe. |
Katydyd5 21.04.2019 23:56 |
Thor, so sorry to hear about your water emergency. Just the call you wanted to get in the middle of the night, right? I hope it ends up that it isn't your responsibility. No problem with the need to reschedule. We'll still be here and ready to watch when you all can get together. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 00:14 |
Saint, I dont really know what half the things you say mean but I dont give anyone that kind of power on this earth not man or woman.It was a plumbing issue that can be resolved.I certainly dont give Jim beach that power either .He is a man and puts his pants on the same way any other man would. |
Blenkolove 22.04.2019 00:20 |
St Jiub.....too funny!! |
Saint Jiub 22.04.2019 00:27 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Saint, I dont really know what half the things you say mean but I dont give anyone that kind of power on this earth not man or woman.It was a plumbing issue that can be resolved.I certainly dont give Jim beach that power either .He is a man and puts his pants on the same way any other man would.This is just my way of laughing and coping with adversity or a comedy of errors. It is just entropy creating chaos as it always does. Not any higher (or lower) beings pulling strings. As this is the 3rd incident (puncture, stone and clog) of "bad things come in threes", perhaps Murphy's law has finally finished running its course. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 00:32 |
Saint, Oh okay gotcha! understand. |
thundergod 22.04.2019 01:00 |
Thank you all for your good thoughts and wishes. Until it gets fixed, I have to check my bathroom every 2-3 hours and bail any water out from the sinks and into the toilet. Thank God the toilet is still flushing. Just the way I wanted to spend Easter...flushing the toilet...oh well, things happen! |
emdee0809 22.04.2019 01:11 |
Thor- sorry about the water problem- never fun to get those calls in the middle of the night- thankfully it wasn't personal and those things can be repaired- I panic when the calls come in the middle of the night- usually nothing good. Hope everyone had a great Easter celebration I, too was a tomboy- nothing wrong with that!! |
NotQuiteAShilling 22.04.2019 01:31 |
Oh Thor - first the tire on that horrid stretch of road and now this! Why oh why do plumbing problems always have to happen on holidays??? Happy for you for flushing capabilities at least. Blenkolove - love your thought of Freddie sending signs via plumbing saying the time is not right - whether internal plumbing or actual pipes. Count me as another tomboy growing up! Big time Thor and Villiers - Keep us posted on the plumbing? Sending love and good vibes |
Saint Jiub 22.04.2019 01:45 |
thundergod wrote: Thank you all for your good thoughts and wishes. Until it gets fixed, I have to check my bathroom every 2-3 hours and bail any water out from the sinks and into the toilet. Thank God the toilet is still flushing. Just the way I wanted to spend Easter...flushing the toilet...oh well, things happen!I remember spending a whole Sunday repeatedly flushing the toilet ... I should do the Sunday flushing thing again soon, but finding another roto-rooter doctor (the last one retired) is not at the top of my list ... |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 02:02 |
Positive energy people peace be with you.Im signing off for tonight and I just know a special someone is gonna miss me bunches.Just kidding good thoughts and pleasant dreams be with you all. |
emdee0809 22.04.2019 02:59 |
Bailing and flushing every 2-3 hours sounds like a fun night ahead- will you set an alarm? sorry Thor, but the image in my mind makes me chuckle a bit- really not trying to make light of the problem- sometimes if don't laugh at the situation you might cry- hope your water is included in the rent!! |
thundergod 22.04.2019 03:25 |
Hi Emdee, I live in what they call a condominium. I own the inside, but not the outside and pay a monthly home owner's association fee. That is why I am hoping the clog is on the outside. I like to put all those monthly dues to work for a change. LOL |
emdee0809 22.04.2019 03:47 |
My fingers are crossed for an outside clog- you need to get something from those fees!! Hope your night is not too stressful- |
Jo T. 22.04.2019 05:24 |
OMG, Thor, I'm so sorry to learn about your latest in a series of unfortunate events. What a plumbing nightmare! I second everybody else's sentiments. Don't be sorry you had to cancel and reschedule the Live for another date. Life happens. We understand. That's too bad you'll be up all night, bailing water. You do what you have to do. I pray the cause of the clog shall be covered by your monthly association fee and that there's minimal damage or damage that can be easily repaired/replaced. You deserve a break. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 08:42 |
What a annoyance , I hate it when these things happen. You must have been frantic driving home . |
SM 22.04.2019 11:32 |
Mr Thor I hope your condominium is ok. Villers I hope you're feeling better now. I wanted to vent a little about something that has greatly disappointed me on Instagram.com. I have been told by a number of you to join it and consider chatting with Mr Mercury's fans. I thought I had found a good account as the name was Freddie And Jim Forever but I was disgusted by what I saw and continue seeing on that page. It's a young lady that claims to be fan of Mr Mercury and Jim but all her posts are awful. Raunchy gay sex jokes about Mr Mercury. Addressing him as simply "a useless bottom". Give me a break. I'm told that's some sort of new age humour but I can't see that being true. She claims to know you both Mr Thor and Mr Lee and tries to lead people to believe she's close with you but I refuse to believe two guys as kind as you would get mixed up with that sort of thing. She claims Mr Freestone hated working for Mr Mercury and calls Mr Fanelli a bitch every few minutes. Every man who lived in the garden lodge loved being there and are worthy of respect. I suggest if you wish to call yourself a fan of anyone you don't waltz around pretending to be close to people you don't know and calling your supposed idol such disgusting things. An entire hour talking about who was the sponge and who was the stone in Mr Mercury's bed?? I'm disgusted. I really expected better from his fans. I keep trying to avoid seeing those posts but do not know how to block an account. So I will just get offline. What worse is this not a teenager. What a shame. |
Dustin Zimmerman 22.04.2019 11:52 |
Shaun I know exactly who that is. I followed her for about a day because I saw her commenting in one of Villiers topic lives and she seemed like she had some good information on Freddie but unlike Villiers she spends all her free time acting like a clown and going live only to talk about who "topped" Freddie and who Freddie "topped". It's a shame someone who studied Freddie that much and has read all the books doesn't do what Villiers does and use her knowledge to help educate others. From what I gather she's in her 30s and behaves like a tasteless 14 year old. I can assure you not all Queen fans on there are like that. Most can make a joke without being so disgusting. It's not even like it's her followers that are commenting gross things in her lives. She literally only goes live to talking about how a man would have had sex with Freddie Mercury. Oh and to gush about Thor and Lee and attempt to brag about being buddy buddy with them. It's funny because there's been a few times where I've heard her say "Thor told me ___" but come to find out it was just something Thor posted to this page for everyone to read lol. What I like about Villiers is she is very honest about her communications with Thor and Lee. She always let's us know how to reach you guys and even tells her followers about your page so you get more foot traffic here. "I'm not besties with them or anything, anyone can read their blog. I have been chatting with them through their forum for about 2 years now and here's how you can reach them too __". That's how Villiers handles it. Freddieandjimforever gatekeeps and it's hilarious. I saw a live where she was talking with Villiers and someone kept asking "how do I find Thor and Lee? Where did you get to talk to them?" and just like she does in her comments, freddieandjimforever ignored them. Villiers on the other hand stopped what she was doing and told them about this site and made sure people were able to find you. The freddieandjimforever chick acts like Thor and Lee are some huge secret she and handful of others are privy to and it's kind of cringe. I think I heard her call Thi5r and Lee "my boys" once. *shivers* Thor, any update on the flooding? Poor guy is probably trying to nap between flushes lol. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 12:14 |
Good morning! |
The Squirrelly One 22.04.2019 12:14 |
Dustin are you sure it's not just her followers acting stupid in the comments on FreddieAndJim's lives? I've seen some of Villiers lives where she has to remove people because they act up in the comments and she has gotten to the point where she gives them "get it out of your system" lives where she lets her fans comment whatever kind of stupid or immature stuff they want so that they get it out of their system and don't act up in her topic lives. But for the most part all her followers seem to be built like a family for her. They support her and encourage her and she does the same with them from what I've seen. Giving them advice and letting them vent or join her lives to get things off their chest. Something I wish more young people would use social media to do. Perhaps you caught freddieandjimforever doing a silly live that had the comments get out of hand? I'd hate to think someone was behaving that way intentionally. Thor, hoping it's not your financial responsibility. I've been there! I had bad flooding at my old place and the insurance said they didn't cover it because they said fooding is water that enters and rises from the floor not water that comes on from the ceiling and floods the floor. So I was stuck! |
SM 22.04.2019 12:18 |
Sorry for the rant..I should have at least opened with asking how your Easter went everyone... Let me try this again... I hope everyone had a brilliant weekend. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 12:24 |
Looks like I missed alot of late night Instagram talk I know this person and I think she is a he.I dont follow that close but yes there is a lot of sex talk about Freddie and his friends.I try not to pay much attention to it but sometimes it does get out of hand . The other day they were talking about him and fisting after his concerts .I asked what that was.I knew what it was I just wanted to see if they would say it online they didnt respond.I think that was his private buisness and unless you were in the room with him we dont know what he did.I personally dont wanna know yikes!That's between him and the involved parties. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 12:42 |
I dont think they mean any harm It just gets carried away sometimes. |
The Squirrelly One 22.04.2019 13:48 |
Fisting?? Ok now that IS distasteful. Joking or not. Oh dear. |
Tammienorrie 22.04.2019 13:51 |
@thor I hope your flat wasn't badly damaged and that everything can be quickly sorted through the association. @shaun the bad side of the communication era is that it made clear how idiocy is common in our fellow human beings. Sometimes I wonder why I bother trying to connect with people when so many prove to be such a disappointment. But there are some sensible ones worth sticking around for. To think that people could be so offensive towards someone who can't defend themselves anymore like Freddie and Jim and someone who never had the chance to give his side of the story like Joe, angers me too. @ Villiers I missed the post where you told us of your health troubles, I hope you'll recover well, kidney stones are a nightmare! |
doughnut 22.04.2019 15:04 |
Shaun so sorry hear you are upset and angry. I also know the account you are referring to and there are a lot of silly distasteful jokes about Freddie and Jim and their sexual preferences. This seems to be their humour and I don't think she realizes the upset it can cause to some. I am in total agreement with you that every man that lived in Garden Lodge should be respected. I know I have total respect for them all. Shaun you can unfollow the account and then you won't see it anymore. Today I came across the account of a lady/girl who seems to have lost the plot somewhat. She claims that Peter and jim were not close with Freddie, they were just employees. She claims that Jim was violent towards Freddie and therefore Freddie was in an abusive relationship. She claims that Jim was attending 'The Gate Club' which she said is a very hard core sex club whilst Freddie was at home in bed. Furthermore, Freddie was never interested in Jim and they did not have a relationship, hence he was just the gardener. Jim's book is all lies to make himself look good and earn him money. I have to tell you I am disgusted by this account and the actions of this very odd person. I just can't understand why she is so adamant that Jim and Freddie were not a couple. To summarise we are genuine fans of Freddie, Jim, Joe and Peter on this thread that Thor/Lee created and we therefore really welcome you to chat with us, we would all very much like that, even the truth about Mary. As someone already said, sometimes the truth is hard to take but the truth is best in the long run. Plesse feel free to come on here and talk and rant any time :) |
doughnut 22.04.2019 15:13 |
Dustin I called her out a few times as she put information on her account giving the impression that she sought out the information. I made it clear that she had been looking at queenzone and that Thor was answering a question I had raised. I also said that she should come onto the thread here and say hello. I don't tend to mention I chat on here with Thor/Lee too much on other groups I am in because there are a lot of nutters out there lol |
SM 22.04.2019 15:31 |
I don't follow her and never have. Her account was suggested to me by Instagram and once I clicked on it her content just keeps coming up. That other account you mentioened sounds awful too. What is with some people?? |
doughnut 22.04.2019 15:33 |
talking about instagram, just as I was reading these messages, my hubby came and told me that my daughter has been on a live stream on Instagram and was being bullied by a boy. The world we live in now sucks and I think Freddie would have hated all this technology, he wouldn't have had any proper privacy at all |
Dustin Zimmerman 22.04.2019 15:39 |
Ha doughnut I love it. Glad you called her out on it because her attitude stinks. She's gatekeeping Thor and Lee and pretending to be this woke LA chick who is just super close to all gays and it's a little obnoxious. I would turn the other cheek but it annoyed me that any time she posted anything about Thor Lee or Garden Lodge related she would ignore anyone who asked her where she got the info. Then she would turn around and act like she got it straight from the source via text or something lol. People got so tired of freddieandjimforever gatekeeping that they started tagging Villiers in her posts and asking where they could find the info. And of course Villiers was nice enough to answer everyones questions about the garden lodge tapes and tell them they can find it on YouTube. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 15:40 |
shaun there is a photo of what looks like Jim moving out of Garden Lodge and there is a man helping. I was wondering if it was you. If I recall the van was red |
doughnut 22.04.2019 15:47 |
Dustin I am just feeling a bit lost with it all at the moment. I just like hearing nice true stories about Freddie , knowing the man behind the rock star has been interesting and Thor/Lee have been wonderful with what they have kindly told us. However, it just seems to be getting crazy . It's all the Mary v Jim stuff that is blowing my mind and the 'Mary was the love of his life' stuff completing ignoring the fact that Freddie was a gay man. I've seen people wishing Freddie and Mary could have had children together . It's like many people want to erase anyone else that was in Freddie's life apart from Mary . I dread to think what will happen when Thor/Lee bring there book out as those that can't handle Freddie being a gay man will be in for a shock |
SM 22.04.2019 15:51 |
Hello yes I do think I know which photo you're referring to. That was Jim and I. Seems like a lifetime ago now. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 15:55 |
I thought it might be you Shaun. Can I ask a question please? After reading both Peter and Jim's book I got the impression that Jim was closer to Joe than Peter. Would that be a correct ? |
SM 22.04.2019 15:56 |
The real fans know Mr Mercury was gay and they don't bat an eyelid. As it should be. All the rest can wear their tinfoil hats and keep banging their drums all they like. Being gay was a part of who he was and Mr Thor and Mr Lee being honest about that the way Jim and Mr Freestone seemed to do is the best thing. If they were to hide or downplay it at all I feel it would be a great disservice as there seems to be very little truth in print about Mr Mercury. Never back down guys. Cheers |
SM 22.04.2019 16:01 |
No Jim wasn't overly close to either of them. They got on but they weren't brotherly from what I saw. Jim cared about them and they him but I got the feeling all 3 had little in common outside of Mr Mercury. I could be wrong as I was only really chatty with Jim and Joe spent most of our chats venting about Ms Austin and other frustrations. Very rarely did the conversations ever lead to discussing the closeness between the 3 men. I would only be guessing I'm afraid. I know Jim stayed in contact with them however. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 16:10 |
Thanks Shaun Maybe that explains why in Jims's book he said that Joe had apologised to him for not seeing him as Freddie boyfriend, only the gardener. I do feel for Jim being thrown into that mad life with Freddie but it is so clear how much Jim loved Freddie. I do hope Jim was happy during all his time with Freddie at Garden Lodge |
doughnut 22.04.2019 16:14 |
Just wanted to say that in terms of the press, at the moment it seems that they are gunning for Meghan Markle and Prince Harry. I don't know why they can't leave them alone. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.04.2019 16:31 |
Maybe we should stop bullying people who have instagram accounts who don't post here? Let them live their lives and post what they want. If you don't like the content don't pay attention |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.04.2019 16:35 |
You also should realize that this person does not have phoebe and Joe. Shaun, I think you are experiencing a generational gap. It's all in good humor and she really loves Joe and Peter. It's the younger generation's version of humor. I really don't think it's right to be calling someone out here. Leave them be. |
Dustin Zimmerman 22.04.2019 16:36 |
"Stop bullying Instagram accounts that don't post here"? Are you seriously acting like you're not freddieandjimforever?? Lmao you do know everyone knows it's you based ins stuff you've said you've asked here right. |
Dustin Zimmerman 22.04.2019 16:38 |
LOL are you really talking about yourself in third person??? "She loves them"? Sweets we all know you're freddieandjimforever. You've literally said word for word what you've posted here on your lives. Please stop lol. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 16:40 |
Sweetandtender.....there isn't any bullying happening here so I am sorry if you feel that. I know that you are friends with some of the people who have the accounts, at least I'm sure that is what I have seen. Shaun knew Jim and just didn't like what he saw and I respect that. He isn't going to enjoy people talking for an hour about the sexual preference of someone he knew. Bullying is a strong word and not one to be thrown around easily. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.04.2019 16:44 |
It's millennial and younger humor. Yes I am friends with her and she dearly loves the Garden Lodge men. It isn't fair to come on here and speak harshly about someone who posts in humor. She's actually extremely upset by this right now and she shouldn't be. If you don't like an account then stop listening to the lives. This is a real person you are talking about and putting them on blast on a website is indeed bullying. If it isn't your humor then move on. Stop visiting and don't set this person up to be bullied. she is already stalked and harassed by the anti Jim accounts on instagram day and night. Again, this is youthful humor. That's all. She has a small amount of followers and posts mostly for her friends. She doesn't want to be publicized on a website like this and honestly this isn't what Thor's thread is for. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.04.2019 16:44 |
No, it isn't me. I'm close with her. Stop this childish crap in Thor's thread |
SM 22.04.2019 16:47 |
Thank you for understanding doughnut. My intent is not to make anyone feel badly but talks of fisting and calling Mr Mercury and his friends bitches and useless bottoms is just a humour I cannot get behind. |
Dustin Zimmerman 22.04.2019 16:50 |
You're close with her? You literally are her. I mean come on. You've said you've asked the same questions she did and claimed it was you. Word for word. Why are you lying about it? |
The Squirrelly One 22.04.2019 16:56 |
Sweet you did admit that was you in one of Villiers lives when she was trying to pick out new items for her giveaway sometime back. I remember you now because you reminded everyone in that live about Sanjay in David Minns book and said you're on queenzone as Sweetandtenderhooligan. I'm not sure why you felt the need to lie here but it's ok. Perhaps you felt backed into a corner. Nobody is angry with you. We are all friends here. But the first rule to any friendship is honesty. I feel everyone needs to relax a little. So many of us don't like the content you have posted. That's ok. Like everyone else here I think it's fair to say I get why Shaun was offended by your posts. Although I do not believe you made them to hurt anyone try to understand where Shaun is coming from. Let's all move on now. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 16:56 |
Sweetand tender this isn't the place to argue about this but Shaun was well within his rights and tell us how he felt about what he saw. He has not done any bullying nor has anyone else. Why should Shaun have to say 'oh that's ok then, it's younger generation humour' He knew Jim and was offended and I don't blame him. As he said he doesn't follow her but her account came to his attention. I'm am sorry to hear she is upset, onone wants to see that but she can't expect everyone to like or agree with her content. Perhaps if she came on here an joined in we could get to know her. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 17:00 |
oh you are already here , thanks for the info SquirrellyOne Lets just put this to bed and agree to disagree . |
doughnut 22.04.2019 17:02 |
shaun please don't worry. I totally understand :) |
emdee0809 22.04.2019 17:03 |
SM - You have so much to offer this thread. It saddens me you, Thor, Lee, Peter, or anyone who knew the men at Garden Lodge have to read such disgusting content on the internet. A generation gap or not, there is no need for disrespect or chattering about such personal matters. I find no humor in what SM posted and in this freedom of speech age - everyone has a right to say it - I get it. The good news, no one is made to listen to it. We need to have empathy, though, for those that know the truth. Yes, they can unfollow, but still, they've seen and heard terrible things, they deserve to have their say. There are a lot of good people on this forum with an incredible amount of knowledge about Freddie. I respect each and every one of them. I have learned so much. Cheers to you, SM - hope your weekend was a good one!! |
Villiers2 22.04.2019 17:12 |
Oh boy, let's hit pause and then rewind a bit lol. Number one: (and this is not intended to offend anyone here) but I gotta say, personally, I'm not onboard with calling people out by name as I for one can totally understand not wanting my personal and fan accounts to cross. Be it for work reasons or personal, if she does not wish to reveal who she is, no problem and we should all let that be. Two: I understand both sides here and they're both valid. On one hand, she was only joking and as someone who has chatted with her via live in the past I feel confident in saying she is indeed a fan and does not say anything intending to disrespect anyone from Freddie's life. On one other hand, some find her jokes raunchy and I can totally understand that as well. I think even she would have to admit, some of the stuff she jokes about is a bit edgy. Edgier than I would ever dare to go, but not ill intentioned. This fandom has enough negativity in it, though. So if it's all the same to you guys, what do you say everyone just shakes it off and agrees to disagree on this person's humor and get back to the topic at hand- Thor's achin' bathroom lol. Hang in there, Thor! |
NeverTooLate 22.04.2019 17:34 |
I so dislike the Instagram platform in general. The platform is a mess with the way they've expanded the software capabilities (and I'm speaking as a tech product manager & product designer). Instagram is not a good platform for any kind of discussion, as it was built to post photos, not get into discussions. I personally find it a frustrating product to use. As for rudeness and the feeling like you've sunk to the bottom of the barrel seeing the content you describe, this occurs on all social media, not only Instagram, and I guess you could say this is the 'downside' to the unleashing of everyone's inner thoughts that comes with anonymity behind a screen. You're sure to see all kinds of content, from the brilliant to the vile. |
Charlies boy 22.04.2019 17:47 |
I have to disagree Never Too Late. I have seen a number of brilliant discussions through Instagram live. On all things from Freddie Mercury to World War 2 and politics. It all depends on the account you're following. Some people will get on and waste time and make into a sloppy mess but others can actually make it a pretty successful venture. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 17:49 |
Villiers I totally get you but bullying is a strong word and should not be thrown around so easily. We are all entitled to our opinion here and on this one I am with Shaun...sorry. I have found this group of people to be very friendly, witty and just lovely and I enjoy chatting, sometimes it random but it's nice. This is why I don't understand why she didn't feel comfortable to just say ' yes that is my account and I didn't mean any harm, I appreciate you are a different generation to me and I didn't mean any offence'. It would have been over and done with then . Anyway yes any news Thor on your leak ? I watched a lovely youtube video earlier . It was Richard Young the photographer talking about his time taking photos of Queen and Freddie. It is a really nice video link |
FreddieDarling 22.04.2019 17:50 |
My heart goes out to you, Thor! Water is, like fire, a great servant but a terrible master! I do hope your plumbing issues are soon sorted out, and I'm praying for a horizontal problem and not a vertical one! Regarding the disrespectful person who has been commenting elsewhere about Freddie and Jim, well sadly there are some people who seem only interested in Freddie for their salacious imaginings. Childish in the extreme, but there you have it! Personally I don't care who he slept with or what they did. He was thoroughly fascinating in so many more ways and I don't need to know about his sex life for him to hold a spell over me. Plus, I have more respect for him, and his friends and lovers, than to speculate about details. There! The soapbox is vacant again! Hope you all had/are gavng a great Bank Holiday, my lovely peeps! Byesy Bye |
Tammienorrie 22.04.2019 17:53 |
I apologize for offending, but I don't apologize for repeating that she has the luck to stand for herself while the subjects of her "humor" sadly don't (bar one). |
Villiers2 22.04.2019 17:55 |
Doughnut, definitely. I don't think either side was wrong. Both had valid points of view and having spent a few weeks talking with both people, I found them both to be pleasant so I didn't want to overstep her privacy boundaries, or belittle Shaun's feelings on the matter. Whew! Time for lunch! |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 18:03 |
Well, everybody that was a lot of words being said.I hope she didnt mean it in the way it may look to others.Thats the problem with Instagram I think Freddie would be horrified at all the pics videos and stories out there on him today.He was very private from what I keep hearing from friends .Phoebe knows alot about him and I just dont think he would be thrilled about a film portraying his life story either.So I guess it's ok it was like a Cinderella story because I think he would hate the truth being told .Yes I know of his statement that he wanted a story told of his life warts and all but did he really. |
NeverTooLate 22.04.2019 18:41 |
Charlies boy wrote: I have to disagree Never Too Late. I have seen a number of brilliant discussions through Instagram live. On all things from Freddie Mercury to World War 2 and politics. It all depends on the account you're following.I wasn't talking about "messiness" in terms of content, but only in terms of the *platform*. And by platform I'm talking about not the content but the software and the "user experience" of the app. Yes, one can find *brilliant* content despite the platform software. |
Saint Jiub 22.04.2019 18:41 |
I hope we continue "bailing" on this serious but unfortunate conversation ... For Thor's sake ... I guess bad things don't come in "threes". Also, I hope that sweetandtenderhooligan recovers from this in a positive way. Hopefully, this can turn out to be a positive teachable moment for all of us. Hopefully, my behavior on this site will improve. I suppose I should tone down or eliminate my negativity about the movie and the Queen Machine. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 18:41 |
My generation back in 1992 didnt have the internet it was in its infancy.We as teenagers and young adults didnt have all this technology.The question is could we survive without it now. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 18:46 |
Saint, I agree with alot of you views on the Queen machine .I just dont comment much because I dont want to start a war on this thread.Thats not what it was created for. |
doughnut 22.04.2019 19:03 |
saint keep on being you as long as it doesn't affect me ha ha Also I think we have managed to move the convo along so lets keep it that way :) :) Chevyman....I really don't know if Freddie would or wouldn't have liked the film being made, it's hard to say when you don't know the person. However, many famous people have films made about them and books written. As long as they are factual and not just gossiping bullshit it's a great way to find out about the person and keep their memory alive in history. |
koala 22.04.2019 19:12 |
Wow that's a lot of new posts and drama since I last joined in....I'm sorry for your bathroom nightmare, Thor. I truly hope it gets fixed soon and that the costs don't end up being your responsibility. I haven't looked at the controversial instagram page, so I can't comment on the content, but I will say that whoever posts publicly should be ready for people to have and express opinions about it (hopefully in a civil way, which has been the case here). If that alone makes you feel bullied, then perhaps posting on a public platform isn't for you. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 20:44 |
Doughnut, you made a good point. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 20:55 |
Koala, I can see both sides but most of us are so much older than those on Instagram. I dont think they are intentionally trying to be be disrespectful. I do think she cares for Freddie as his fan. They all are just joking around and sometimes it just goes a little far.I hope all parties can resolve this and we all can continue to have fun.I dont think what they said is any different than playing that 50 shades of freddie.I heard it is sexual fantasy as well.Me personally I wouldnt want to fantasize about home fore one he I'd deceased two he was a gay man.I would get no satisfaction out of that at all.To each their own I think there is no harm in fantasy but there should be limits. |
CHEVYMAN 22.04.2019 21:00 |
I meant fantasize about him |
Rainbow61 22.04.2019 21:01 |
The Queen Funko-Pop dolls that I despaired of ever arriving came in the mail today. It only took 5 months. Have to say, I LOVE THEM. I don't collect Funko-Pop dolls, but these are so darn cute. Only problem is deciding where to display them. :) |
FreddieDarling 22.04.2019 22:02 |
Rainbow So pleased for you! Which ones you got, mate? |
FreddieDarling 22.04.2019 22:11 |
I had the most wonderful surprise today! Last week after seeing the lovely Queen tribute band Mercury I entered a competition they did. If you answered correctly you could win a T Shirt, baseball cap and signed 20 anniversary programme. The question was about what was the name of the impromptu band Queen set up at the Kensington Roof Gardens after Wembley '86 concert. i.e. Dicky Hart and the Pacemakers. I was one of 43 who got answer correct and I WON! Joseph Lee Jackson contacted me himself to let me know, which I thought was nice! I chose a Betty Boop t shirt. It's odd as It tried to buy one last week but they only had Large and Extra Large and I need a Small,so could not get one. It's like Freddie was looking out for me, telling me I'd get one for free! I'm so pleased! I've never won a thing (other than an occasional few quid in the national lottery) in my life! Wow! I'm so lucky! :-) |
Rainbow61 22.04.2019 22:39 |
Hey FreddieDarling....Congratulations on your win. That's so exciting! Betty Boop is a great choice for a tee-shirt. Sounds like this is your lucky day, so you should also go out and buy a national lottery ticket while the stars are lined up in your favor! The Funko-Pops I ordered came as a set of five: Freddie in a harlequin suite, Freddie is his yellow jacket, Roger, Brian, and John. |
FreddieDarling 22.04.2019 23:06 |
Rainbow, that's lovely! They are such fun, aren't they. They are cartoonish, but somehow they capture the essence of each guy ! Love my Wembley Freddie! He stands next to my Montreux statues. Will have to watch till later for that Lottery ticket now it's just after midnight here in England. I always get Saturdays lottery ticket on a Tuesday, too. Maybe I'll get a EuroMillions ticket, too! Thank you for your congratulations! I'm so thrilled. Yes , I always loved Freddie's Betty Boop shirt and with front and back it's like BOGOF (Buy One Get One Free) I'm so lucky! |
FreddieDarling 22.04.2019 23:07 |
*wait NOT watch! |
SM 22.04.2019 23:11 |
Unbelievable. I get back on to see messages from one of sweet and tender hooligan/ Freddie and Jim forever's friends saying I bullied her off of social media. Fuck right off with that. Nobody told her to leave. Just like nobody told her to post smut or lie about who she is. As someone else has pointed out when you post something on a public forum you have to expect people to have an opinion. My opinion is that calling Mr Mercury a useless bottom, discussing how Jim had sex with him and how he had sex with other men in detail and suggesting the men that worked for him were miserable because Mr Mercury was such a "bitch" is distasteful, rude and a sign of being in desperate need of a life. So to those friends of hers before you hop back on your Instagram pages and act like your friend was pushed off a ledge, try to wrap your mind around the facts. I knew these men. These were good lads who had an emotionally draining job and 2 aren't here to defend themselves. I don't find her humour remotely funny. I don't her witty or deep. When you discuss my friend's sexual life in detail and joke about his husband being an arse, you and I have a problem. Your jokes are seen by people who cared for them. Stop and think before you post something. And if you decide to post anyway on a public website don't get your knickers worked up when someone finds your distasteful post distasteful. There's a joke and then there's being digusting. Your friend's post and discussions did not fall under the joking category for me. And it looks like many others felt the same. I'm afraid I don't find fisting and "gay screaming" jokes to be gut busting. |
SM 22.04.2019 23:13 |
That's all I'm going to say about this now. I have taken up enough of Mr Thor and Mr Lee's space here. I thank all of you who see and understand my views on this. Your support is greatly appreciated. |
Katydyd5 22.04.2019 23:23 |
Rainbow, I'm glad you finally got those dolls! Every now and then Zullily runs a sale on Funko Pop figures, so I keep watching for Freddie. So far no luck. I know I can get one on Amazon, but I figure if it shows up on Zullily it was meant to be. FreddieDarling, congrats on your win! You must have quite the Freddie collection by now! |
The Black Queen's Kid 22.04.2019 23:29 |
Congratulations, FreddieDarling! What a lovely surprise! |
The Black Queen's Kid 22.04.2019 23:39 |
Shaun, I totally understand your anger. The stupidity and drama of social media have made me quit Facebook and Twitter on more than one occasion. I choose to avoid people who exude negative energy. I think that the universe will take care of them in the end. Don't allow fools to sully your memories of the wonderful friends you had (and have). You are loved here and we appreciate your passion. |
Saint Jiub 22.04.2019 23:50 |
There is a very fine line between ‘hobby’ and ‘mental illness.’ link ... by the way, I am bipolar ... and it was not caused by Queen. LOL |
Katydyd5 23.04.2019 00:04 |
Doughnut, thanks for the great link to the interview with photographer Richard Young. I didn't realize that he had taken so many of my favorite pictures of Freddie. There were more than a few pictures that I hadn't seen before and that's always a treat. Another reason I am looking forward to Thor and Lee's book! |
The Black Queen's Kid 23.04.2019 00:10 |
Saint Jiub, I'm not sure the line is all that fine. I have relatives who collect salt and pepper shakers. Hundreds of them. Taking up every horizontal space in every room of their home. At what point does this enter the realm of being "hoarders"? Slippery slope territory. |
The Black Queen's Kid 23.04.2019 00:20 |
I think we should set up a "To Fund Me" page to get Thor a snorkel and wetsuit. And an extra bucket. Sending thoughts and prayers your way, kind sir. |
Katydyd5 23.04.2019 00:24 |
Saint Jiub, thanks for the laughs you provided with your Dave Berry link. I've always enjoyed his humor. This one hit home for me: 2" If you had to identify, in one word, the reason why the human race has not achieved, and never will achieve, its full potential, that word would be ‘meetings." I was required by contract to attend so many deadly dull meetings over the course of my career that I thought I might perish of boredom. Then I found a quote that said it all. I printed it out on an index card and quietly sent it around the room at one of my last inservice meetings. I knew exactly where it was by the snorts and giggles. Here it is: "When I die, I hope it is at a faculty meeting or teacher inservice because the transition from life to death would be so subtle." Yes, I'm childish, and yes, I was a thorn in my principal's side. But if you can't laugh, then what???? |
thundergod 23.04.2019 00:26 |
Hi all, Since 5 new pages have come about since I last contacted you, I am going in oldest to newest order...I may not finish all today. First of all, thanks for all the comments about my flooding fiasco. The plumber that I am going through HAS to be the one who is "recommended" by the Association. AND...I could not make an appointment until tomorrow at 11 am. The cynic in me hears about the delay in service and pictures them meeting with the association before 11AM to figure out a way, that despite the outcome, is made to look like my fault. No way, right? people are so honest...always. So the water overflow happens intermittently and that makes me believe it is when one or two of the units directly above me use THEIR water. I have not used the faucets since before I left for Palm Springs. Well, we will see. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 00:30 |
Bk, you are too funny.I think that's a great idea. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 00:34 |
Mr. Shaun, By ALL means, stay away from that other site, but PLEASE stay with us. I don't know why Lee's and my names are being stirred up but I don't like it. We never knew this woman who, thanks to you, I just found out is our best friend. What crap! Shaun, make me happy with one simple sentence. Tell me, "I will stay on with Mr. Thor's and Mr. Lee's thread on QueenZone and participate when and if I can or feel like it." If you don't say that, I will be extremely sad! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 00:38 |
Saint Jiub, I always love to read your posts. I was going to say a similar "flushing" story as you did, but I could not figure out a way to not make it GROSS. Your line was BRILLIANT! Thanks for your ever-present wit ! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 00:47 |
Dustin, Thank you for having such interesting information. Also, I am feeling, more than usual, a very good and totally POSITIVE support from you. Thank you Bro! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 00:49 |
Shaun, My Easter was so GOOD, my face even got a bit flushed!...LOL |
thundergod 23.04.2019 00:55 |
CHEVYMAN, We do not have a comedy show running...LOL (oh, maybe we do!) Thanks for the positive thoughts. I really don't PICK on you, I just want to understand everything you tell me. IS THAT SO WRONG...lol. It's all in good spirit my friend. I saw the lovely things you said to katydyd recently...very sweet. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 01:03 |
Thor,That disappoints me I think we could take it on the road and make a shit ton of money. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:09 |
May I just repeat the story that Freddie was so excited to tell me and Lee, paraphrasing here, "Girls, girls, Mama has a husband, I'd like to introduce you to Jim". Now, if Freddie had said, "Girls, girls, just LOOK at this wonderful turnip that my gardener Jim dug up." We would have considered him the gardener. Freddie, seemed to me to be VERY proud of his man! As far as I know, gardeners never stir up such emotions, at least not in the US...LOL |
Saint Jiub 23.04.2019 01:13 |
double post ... |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:13 |
I hereby CALL SweetAndTender OUT... lol, only because you make me feel like an old codgger! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:16 |
Ohooh, Maybe I spoke too soon and there is NOTHING really to laugh about here. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:21 |
I probably should have read the new posts backwards. I have just started reading pg 219. I will change to a backward review of new posts. Thanks all. |
Saint Jiub 23.04.2019 01:22 |
thundergod wrote: Hi all, Since 5 new pages have come about since I last contacted you, I am going in oldest to newest order...I may not finish all today. First of all, thanks for all the comments about my flooding fiasco. The plumber that I am going through HAS to be the one who is "recommended" by the Association. AND...I could not make an appointment until tomorrow at 11 am. The cynic in me hears about the delay in service and pictures them meeting with the association before 11AM to figure out a way, that despite the outcome, is made to look like my fault. No way, right? people are so honest...always. So the water overflow happens intermittently and that makes me believe it is when one or two of the units directly above me use THEIR water. I have not used the faucets since before I left for Palm Springs. Well, we will see.Associations suck ... and that is an understatement ... They are full of power hungry busybodies ... In my case two board member residents in my subdivision ... A few years ago our single family home neighborhood in the Chicago area was hit with a big early spring hail storm accompanied with high winds that damaged the vinyl siding on one side of our house. Of course, The Association was overwhelmed with requests for approval for repairs, and sent out a letter to stating that no prior approval was needed if the siding was replaced with the same original color siding when the home was built. "Luckily" the damages was covered by our insurance for the damaged side of the house, but not the siding for the entire house, and we went ahead and had the siding replaced on one side of the house. A week after the repairs were completed, I received a knock on the front door accompanied with a threatening registered certified letter demanding that the rest of the house have new siding installed ... or else ... My wife and I spoke with several attorneys and all indicated that associations rarely lose these legal battles, and that we would end up paying their legal fees as well as our own legal fees. We gave up and paid nearly $10,000 of our own money to have the remaining undamaged three sides of vinyl side replaced. The below links summarizes the horrible reputation of the disreputable management company for our neighborhood, link link |
Blenkolove 23.04.2019 01:23 |
Dearest SM.... She took her account down on Instagram! Unfortunately I caught a few seconds of her live and clicked off when I heard it was not a live like Villiers. I agree.....it was disgusting, vulgar and Not something I Ever want to listen to. |
Blenkolove 23.04.2019 01:24 |
SM.....Please stay with US!!! |
Katydyd5 23.04.2019 01:25 |
Thor, I just love this: "Girls, girls, Mama has a husband, I'd like to introduce you to Jim". Thanks for sharing it again, it says it all. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:26 |
HaHa BlackQueen'sKid, As long as I keep an eye on it and hope my upstairs neighbors don't brush their teeth for an hour, I am on top of it, thanks for your humor! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:35 |
FreddieDarling, That's a wonderful story, congratulations on your win! So cool! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:40 |
Thank you Saint Juib for admitting you went to far on the Queen Machine. I was a little uncomfortable with it myself. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 01:56 |
HURRAY!!! I am caught up. If I accidentally overlooked something please ask me again. Now, don't get me wrong girls, but I leave all the Freddie memorabilia talk to all of you ...You handle it so well. |
Villiers2 23.04.2019 02:02 |
"May I just repeat the story that Freddie was so excited to tell me and Lee, paraphrasing here, "Girls, girls, Mama has a husband, I'd like to introduce you to Jim". Now, if Freddie had said, "Girls, girls, just LOOK at this wonderful turnip that my gardener Jim dug up." We would have considered him the gardener. Freddie, seemed to me to be VERY proud of his man!" That had me cracking up! Thor you MUST include that bit in the live. Your sense of humor is fantastic. "Look at this turnip that my gardener dug up" LMAO |
SM 23.04.2019 02:26 |
Mr Thor of course I will stay and chime in from time to time. There are great people here and one bad experience with one fan isn't enough to stop me from talking with you lot for good. I was not thrilled with Instagram.com but there were some great accounts on there. Villiers stands out to me because she uses her account to raise money for worthy charities. How many large accounts do that? Brilliant. What charities has your Instagram page donated to so far Villiers and which will be next? Will the live with Mr Thor and Mr Lee raise any money for charity? Cheers |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:35 |
With all due respect to your masculinity...I love ya Shaun! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:37 |
And Villiers...have yopu invited Shaun yet for one of your lives? |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:37 |
What is yopu? |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:42 |
About 10 posts ago, I mentioned the perfect man for me. It would be someone like Shaun...and because he is straight, I can never have him and that makes him all that much more attractive...LOL ...sorry Mr. Shaun. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:42 |
That is 10 Pages ago, not posts...lol |
emdee0809 23.04.2019 02:45 |
Thor- your story about Freddie was perfect timing- it lightened the mood a bit!! much needed. I hope all the negativity with the instagram account is water under their bridge and not over your sink:) Have a good night! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:46 |
And the plumbing jokes keep rolling in....HaHa, Thanks Emdee! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:47 |
Damn, I should have said, keep FLOWING in. |
Villiers2 23.04.2019 02:49 |
Hey Shaun thanks. We raised $430 for the Mercury Phoenix Trust and $931 for St.Jude's Children's Hospital. Each big giveaway is made up of items from my own collection and we accept absolutely no payment or donations ourselves (I always stress this because some people can be real shady about that). All donations are made by our followers directly through the official website for each charity. All we ask for is photo proof of the donation receipt given to them via email or website for confirmation. As for our next charity, I'm not sure what that will be yet. I'm leaning toward the ASPCA and looking into credible no kill shelters. The Thor and Lee live will not raise money, as that happens through our giveaways and not our lives, but people are very eager for it, for sure. We also do random book giveaways for Mercury and Me and Peter Freestone's first book in between the large giveaways. It helps to keep people excited about learning about Freddie. |
Villiers2 23.04.2019 02:53 |
Thor, I have indeed and Shaun did seem open to considering it after he sees your live with me. He seems a bit shy around fans and did want to be sure his friends from Garden Lodge would be accurately represented so he is actually in talks with me about bringing up a possible script to look over with questions. Similar to what I sent you guys. Something to think about for sure! |
thundergod 23.04.2019 02:55 |
That would be great....yikes...more pressure on us to inspire him...LOL |
Rainbow61 23.04.2019 02:59 |
Thor, Sounds like a waiting game for the plumbing issue. Hopefully the condo plumber will be honest, but I understand being concerned about his objectivity. I think the "Would Freddie would have gotten married?" conversation took place while you were away. Lot's of very thoughtful comments on both sides. What do you think....not specifically about Jim, but in general? Do you think Freddie would have ever considered marriage? A person certainly does not need a marriage certificate to have a long-term loving and committed relationship, but it still means something to those who choose that route in life, so it's natural to wonder if Freddie would have considered doing so. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 03:04 |
Rainbow, We never discussed it since in those days it was not an option. If d have to guess, I would think that he likes domestic partnership over marriage after seeing what havoc was wreaked in his last engagement attempt. That again is just supposition on my part. I myself have tended toward domestic partnership although I never had the pleasure of declaring it. |
Jo T. 23.04.2019 03:06 |
St. Juib, thanks for your link. I've always enjoyed humorist Dave Barry. I esp. like his #8 and #9: 8. The most destructive force in the universe is gossip. 9. You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling reason why we observe daylight savings time. Villiers2, thanks for your generous donations to the Mercury Phoenix Trust and to St. Jude's! They're certainly worthy causes. Thor, I can loan you my snorkel and adjustable face mask, but I doubt you can get into my wetsuit or fins. BTW, that’s not meant as an insult. Speaking as a water baby and diver, I had questions from a few weeks ago you inadvertently overlooked. It got buried in an avalanche of posts: Was Freddie afraid of the water? Could he swim? When you boys went to the beach(es) in NY, would he step in the water? Was he ever completely submerged in the Atlantic? For laughs, I researched patron saints online (No, I don’t have them ALL memorized by heart already.). St. Vincent Ferrer appears to be the most consistent name (He was a Dominican priest.) as the patron saint for plumbers and pipefitters. Pray to Vince! |
SM 23.04.2019 03:17 |
Coming from a thunder God and a man who pulled a rockstar, that's quite a compliment lol thank you Mr Thor. The next time my wife gives me a hard time I'll have to tell her I have options! Ha! |
Jo T. 23.04.2019 03:27 |
SM, "pulled a rockstar?" Am I going to make an absolute fool of myself again and ask what that means? LOL I seem to have these brain freezes lately. Thanks again for answering my question about Jer's height eons ago. Please stay on the thread. Sorry, St. Jiub, I spelled your name wrong. BTW, what is St. Jiub's claim to fame? What is s/he a patron saint of? |
SM 23.04.2019 03:35 |
Perhaps "pulling" is a retired term these days. I sometimes forget my age. Back in the 70s and 80s if you walked out of the club with a hot individual on your arm, you pulled them. Example being "Nice one mate. Saw you pull that beauty last night." |
Jo T. 23.04.2019 04:04 |
Thanks, SM, it also sounds like British slang vs. American slang. Before I got COMPLETELY sidetracked, I meant to post a link earlier to the official trailer for "Rocketman" or Elton John's biopic (link. It comes to theatres on May 31st. I like the line in the trailer. "You got to kill the person you were born to be, in order to become the person you WANT to be." Elton John was born Reginald Dwight. I feel that line applied to Freddie, too. He "killed" Farrokh (sp. ?) Bulsara and his youth spent in Zanzibar and India in order to become British Freddie Mercury. Sir Elton was smart to have a biopic made - when he's still alive. He served as the executive producer. Thus, he had control over the narrative. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 04:06 |
Jo T. Let me tell you this: When we had our trip to Jones Beach, N.Y. for our picnic. Freddie (and Phoebe) who would never just leave him alone, were the only ones NOT to go into the water. That is too bad because July and August are the months with the warmest and clearest Atlantic waters. No Freddie has nothing on Aquaman!. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 04:08 |
HaHa Shaun, That is hysterical...don't just SAY you will use that line, actually DO IT. LOL |
RoyalTee 23.04.2019 04:57 |
Hi guys and gals! I’ve been lurking in this thread for sometime now and have finally decided to join in on the party officially and to continue creeping in the shadows. First and foremost, I’d like to say thank you to Thor and Lee for creating this thread and sharing all these interesting things about Freddie and yourselves. I’m in my early 20’s and was not even a thought when Freddie and Queen were active so it’s cool to get the opportunity to learn more about Freddie through two people who actually knew and were friends with him. In regards to SM, thank you for sharing you experiences as well. I agree with you concerning that particular Instagram. I’m all for fun in games, but that account definitely crossed some lines that weren’t funny to me even though I was aware she didn’t say/write those things with malicious intent. Not really my type of humor, especially with regards to people you don’t know personally, but to each it’s own. Though it’s social media and it’s a place for jokes, you raise a good point the fact that people who knew Freddie, Jim, Joe (and Peter) are still around should be considered. Sweetandtenderhooligan / jimandfreddieforever your jokes might not have translated well for everyone, but I don’t think it’s necessary that you delete your accounts. We’ve all made inappropriate jokes about something, and really going forward all we can do is try to be better and consider the people who might be affected by what we say. I feel that there’s space for us all to be online and stay in our pockets of things that appeal to sensibilities and ignore the things that don’t. This first post is way longer than I expected it to be, but anyway...I look forward to further discussions. And Thor, I hope your plumbing situation resolves in your favor. Back into the shadows I go, until later. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 05:01 |
WELCOME RoyalTee, Appreciate you contributing to our thread and please, please don't be a stranger! |
Saint Jiub 23.04.2019 05:02 |
Jo T. wrote: SM, "pulled a rockstar?" Am I going to make an absolute fool of myself again and ask what that means? LOL I seem to have these brain freezes lately. Thanks again for answering my question about Jer's height eons ago. Please stay on the thread. Sorry, St. Jiub, I spelled your name wrong. BTW, what is St. Jiub's claim to fame? What is s/he a patron saint of?St Jiub is a minor fictitious character from a swords and sorcery video game called Skyrim. He had been a criminal who later redeemed himself and became a saint in the game world. I enjoyed the game very much last year and changed my name from Panchgani to St Jiub whilst playing the game. |
Saint Jiub 23.04.2019 05:05 |
RoyalTee wrote: Hi guys and gals! I’ve been lurking in this thread for sometime now and have finally decided to join in on the party officially and to continue creeping in the shadows. First and foremost, I’d like to say thank you to Thor and Lee for creating this thread and sharing all these interesting things about Freddie and yourselves. I’m in my early 20’s and was not even a thought when Freddie and Queen were active so it’s cool to get the opportunity to learn more about Freddie through two people who actually knew and were friends with him. In regards to SM, thank you for sharing you experiences as well. I agree with you concerning that particular Instagram. I’m all for fun in games, but that account definitely crossed some lines that weren’t funny to me even though I was aware she didn’t say/write those things with malicious intent. Not really my type of humor, especially with regards to people you don’t know personally, but to each it’s own. Though it’s social media and it’s a place for jokes, you raise a good point the fact that people who knew Freddie, Jim, Joe (and Peter) are still around should be considered. Sweetandtenderhooligan / jimandfreddieforever your jokes might not have translated well for everyone, but I don’t think it’s necessary that you delete your accounts. We’ve all made inappropriate jokes about something, and really going forward all we can do is try to be better and consider the people who might be affected by what we say. I feel that there’s space for us all to be online and stay in our pockets of things that appeal to sensibilities and ignore the things that don’t. This first post is way longer than I expected it to be, but anyway...I look forward to further discussions. And Thor, I hope your plumbing situation resolves in your favor. Back into the shadows I go, until later.... an excellent first post ... |
Rainbow61 23.04.2019 06:18 |
Thor, If you don't mind, I am going to ask some questions from many pages back that I think got buried in a QZ avalanche. :) (But I won't ask them all at once.) Is there a particular spot in New York that elicits a stronger "Freddie memory" more than any other? What was the very last place you saw Freddie before he moved? |
doughnut 23.04.2019 07:04 |
Thor I thought you said ,mama has a husband and look at this turnip he pulled out ' I had to re-read lol. I feel gardeners are the rage at the moment Thor, that's where you need to look for your next love interest lol Freddie darling how exciting , so happy for you . Shaun who cares what the haters say , let them live in ignorance. Also I'm old enough to know the term 'pull' as in ' I was out on the pull last night ' ps I sent you a pm on here . Have a good day all , I'm back to work ....boooo |
doughnut 23.04.2019 07:08 |
Forgot to say that I think it's a great idea for Shaun to do a live with villiers |
doughnut 23.04.2019 07:26 |
Katy I am glad you enjoyed the Richard young link. He took amazing photos and many are my favs. The ones with Freddie on stage and the crowd in view are fantastic. Freddie certainly had a good sense of photography |
FreddieDarling 23.04.2019 08:03 |
Oooh dear! Things have been a bit stirred up over the last few pages. I totally agree that any salacious gossip and speculation regarding what Freddie and whoever did or did not do "in bed" is distasteful, and lacking in respect. Would any of these gossips like their own lives to be speculated upon in minutae detail? I don't think so! As far as I'm aware, all of Freddie's lovers were of legal age and consenting and that's good enough for me! As for saying that Peter and Jim were "miserable" living with Freddie, then why did Jim speak always so fondly of him, and why is Peter still, over 27 years after losing Freddie, still speaking with such affection and deep respect about "the Master" ? To the extent he has repeatedly called him "my best friend" and described Freddie as "the most kind, the most generous and most thoughtful friend you could have" Those aren't the words or the attitude of somebody who didn't enjoy spending time with Mr. Mercury! Keeping my fingers crossed for you, Thor! Still praying to Vince the Bar man.... Oops , sorry Vince the Patron Saint of Plumbing (is there a urology joke there somewhere? Forget it, don't look for it!) for a vertical pipe problem decision! A Two Pipe Problem if ever there was one! Good luck, Mr. Thor! Re plumbing, has anyone else wondered about the origins of the word!? I Came to the conclusion that it must originate from the Latin name for lead, which is plumbum (Love that name, sweet!) Periodic table of elements symbol Pb. Most water bearing pipes started out (unwisely as it turns out) being constructed of lead, as it was easily maleable, and didn't corrode easily, or rust, so I guess the craftsmen who constructed the "waterworks" would be considered workers if lead, or plumbum! Hence plumber! These odd little things just occurred to me from time to time and I try to solve the conundrum myself. I'm an odd little duck! Re "pulling" ! Tea, that's a bit if English slang, as in the jokey quip of one person chatting up another saying to them "get you coat, you've 'pulled' " :-) in other words, we can leave now, dear! You've found your partner! LOL! Thanks for all the congratulations on my happy win. I'm so pleased, to quote Freddie "I'm smiling from my arse to my elbow" ! :-) Have a lovely Tuesday, peeps! I do hope Shaun doesn't leave us. Ignore the idiots out there in the ether, they say there's more out than in, and the crass fools will always sneak out if La La Land occasionally. Just ignore them. Or else but some slug pellets! |
FreddieDarling 23.04.2019 08:28 |
Please excuse my typos! I tried to proof read! Honestly! Tea should be "Yes" Most of my if's should be of's! I bet even my epitaph will have typographical errors! |
FreddieDarling 23.04.2019 08:28 |
Please excuse my typos! I tried to proof read! Honestly! Tea should be "Yes" Most of my if's should be of's! I bet even my epitaph will have typographical errors! |
RussiaLand 23.04.2019 10:23 |
I don't like the fact that someone deleted their Instagram account because of the discussion in this thread. I haven't seen the posts in that account, so I don't know how distasteful they were. But SM, shouldn't you have written to the owner of that account right there on Instagram and tell them you don't like what they are doing with the names of Freddie and other guys? It's not like they are some celebrity who has too many comments on their page and won't see if you write to them... Just my thoughts. Also, funnily enough, that Russian author who was trying to prove in her book that Freddie was straight, basically did it because she didn't like what Jim Hutton and Peter Freestone wrote in their books about Freddie - she said they gave away too many dirty personal information, like Jim describing their sex, Freddie being "passive" etc. She was disgusted with this so much that she came to the conclusion that Jim and Phoebe were not really Freddie's lover and friend, if they thought revealing this information was no big deal. So, everyone has their own opinion about what is acceptable and what is not. |
Freddienotfreddy 23.04.2019 10:43 |
This clip reminded of Thor talking about everyone getting refreshments during Brian's solo in Queen concerts. It is Roger saying how boring solos are and he takes a dig a Brian. It is in the first 2 minutes of the clip. link |
SM 23.04.2019 11:32 |
No I shouldn't have messaged the owner of the account. Because it's not a required necessity to do so before expressing ones opinion about their content. I couldn't care less if they're just a fan or some celebrity account. If I feel your content is insulting to my friends, I'm going to say as much wherever I please and well...it's a free world. If you don't like it don't read it. Kind of like how she was able to post her smut to a public forum, everyone is free to do the same with their opinions about it. I ignored her garbage for long enough. A post showing an Elmo puppet with the name "Jim" posted on it was the last straw. The post was a sex joke of some kind. The puppet was given the name Jim, and the arm going inside the puppet she named "Freddie" and this was just another disgusting "Freddie fucked Jim this way" post. Enough with the excuses for that sort of thing, please. |
Charlies boy 23.04.2019 11:41 |
I don't like the fact that someone deleted their Instagram account because of the discussion in this thread. I don't like the fact that this chick was trying to use gay culture as her punchline. As a gay man who is finally able to take comfort in who I am, I found her content to be annoying, childish, desperate and flat. She seemed to want to be one of us. How many times can one person possibly ask who topped Freddie before it drives people crazy? Much less someone who knew Jim and Joe personally. Then to sit there and lie about who she is? Why? You don't see anything creepy as a hell about that? And by the way someone here did reach out to her and she basically told them to fuck off. I doubt Shaun messaging her would have raised a better response. My sexuality is not some chick's Instagram joke. My culture is not for your amusement and what happened "between Freddie's legs at night" is not something that should be up for an hour long discussion on your social media page for kicks. There's humor and then there's that. She was lightyears away from humor. |
FreddieDarling 23.04.2019 12:47 |
@Charlie's boy :- AMEN! Freddie was quite fascinating and thrilling in many other ways. We do not need to poke around into areas of his life that are none of our business! Some people are lower than an earthworms belly and I guess we'll never change that, but we sure as hell don't have to like it, or verbally put them down. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 12:50 |
Yes that Elmo arm thing was to much she blocked me I think.She was a dirty birdie for sure and some of her content was offensive now that I look back on It .I wouldnt want my friend talked about like that I am sorry Shaun for my earlier post Its not just a joke or humor.Its someones sex life. |
RussiaLand 23.04.2019 12:51 |
> Then to sit there and lie about who she is? Why? > You don't see anything creepy as a hell about that? Yes, I think she should have owned up to it. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 13:00 |
Russia, I cant believe what I am hearing your author or whoever he is lives in a star trek series.Jim loved Freddie dearly and had every right to Express that love into words any way he wanted.Its not disgusting.Maybe It is disgusting to the reader if it is dont read it .Phoebe cared for Freddie his book is the only one out there other than Jim's with any truth.So your author can take this information stick it were he wants and smoke it.Oh have a nice day. |
RussiaLand 23.04.2019 13:10 |
CHEVYMAN, I'm afraid she can't do that anymore, she died in 2012, as I wrote before. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 14:01 |
Oh ok well she had her opinion I guess but Those two guys loved him dearly. |
LoganMews 23.04.2019 14:02 |
Hi again Thor and Lee (and everyone), I have just been watching the 'epic' Flash Gordon movie, truth be told I only watch it for the amazing soundtrack. It did get me thinking though back to your time with Freddie as I recall a story that Freddie would have been keen on Sam Jones (i.e. Flash Gordon) however he was too shy to do anything about it. Did he ever mention him to you guys? From the earlier photos of yourself in the early 80's Thor I would say that you and Sam Jones were quite similar so it wouldn't surprise me if Freddie was attracted to him. I hope we get an update on the book soon. Oh, and Villiers2 can you let me know how I would be able to access your Q&A with Thor and Lee? Thank you. :) |
Charlies boy 23.04.2019 14:08 |
She hasn't done the live with Thor and Lee yet. Thor had an emergency and had to push back the date for it. |
Charlies boy 23.04.2019 14:10 |
You can access it once it's uploaded on YouTube through her YouTube page. I just looked up Queen Memes and scrolled until I found her channel. Good luck. |
doughnut 23.04.2019 14:42 |
RussiaLand...the awful instagram page I found has the exact same morals as the person who wrote the book you told us about. To me it is mind blowing that because Jim and Peter revealed details of their time with their funny, generous and kind best friend and partner , she wrote a book on absolute thin air. It's clear that those that believe her madness are just as mad. spending time on Instagram trying to destroy two people's memory and lives is crazy to me. I honestly feel this person on Instagram is sick in the head and so is the author of that book and the guy that has no taken over her mantel. Jim was within his rights to tell his story of HIS time with Jim and so is Peter. I totally understand why Jim wrote the book or I can guess why. Given the information that Shaun has kindly confirmed, Jim must have felt very hurt and pushed out of Freddie's life so quickly, from reading Peter's book it appears he also felt very hurt at being pushed out. As he said it was like they no longer had a purpose. By the sounds of it, Jim happily lived a life away from the spotlight so the public had no idea Freddie had a partner for the last 6/7 years. What with things being pushed under the carpet I fully respect Jim for wanting to tell his side of his loving relationship. I don't care that he told us Freddie and his sexual preference but I appreciate not everyone is the same. Funnily enough it educated me as I had no idea of the terms. I live under a bush it would seem lol Anyway it should all be water of a ducks back now, and from my point I don't think Shaun should have spoken with the a/c holder directly , if felt he would rather come here and tell us and that to me shows what a good bunch we are that he felt comfortable telling us. He knows that we respect everyone (well nearly everyone) that was in Freddie's life. I've said this before but I feel Freddie made some really good friendship choices in his life , he wanted to lead a normal life and he got that with Thor , Lee & Co and it seems he got that at home in Garden Lodge. rant over or as FreddieDarling says 'i'll come off my soap box ' |
RussiaLand 23.04.2019 16:04 |
Doughnut, it probably is an Instagram of one of her followers lol. When you see the "gardener" mentioned, it's most likely Mariam Akhundova's legacy - she used to call Jim "the gardener" a lot. Actually, Thor's funny reply about the turnip made me laugh, because it sounds very much like our Russian jokes when we discuss Akhundova's theories:) |
doughnut 23.04.2019 16:21 |
RussiaLand I'd say she must be one of her followers. I wonder if she ever thought to herself 'why would the rock star Freddie Mercury take his gardener around with him' . Mind you people outside of Freddie's trusted friends must of thought it a bit odd anyway as Jim mentioned he was often introduced at the Gardener. |
RussiaLand 23.04.2019 16:47 |
> I wonder if she ever thought to herself 'why would the rock star Freddie Mercury > take his gardener around with him' . Mind you people outside of Freddie's trusted > friends must of thought it a bit odd anyway as Jim mentioned he was often > introduced at the Gardener. Doughtnut, here comes... I'm even ashamed to say this hahaha:) It's PHOTOMONTAGE! Jim was added into the photos of Freddie in Japan and various other places. Also, he was added into the Black and White Drag Ball video. I'm sorry about driving you crazy with all this lol:) But now you have an idea about what's going on in the Russian fandom. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 19:40 |
Spot on katydyd I couldnt agree with you more.Thanks for putting it the way you did. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 20:24 |
Jim was not photoshopped n any of Freddie's photos he was Freddie's boyfriend and husband.His close friends and ex lovers have confirmed this.I believe this topic at hand is a waste of their time and I'm not trying to be rude just giving you my opinion.I think its disrespectful to Freddie as well he spent so many years swinging from a rope trying to find love he finds it and that's what people wanna say.Thats bullshit. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 20:39 |
Thanks again everyone for your good wishes. The flooding problem was in the complexes COMMON PIPE and not my personal pipes. Maybe Freddie was helping out with this...hummm! |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 21:11 |
Glad to hear it's not on you plumbing issues are never cheap. |
thundergod 23.04.2019 21:14 |
Thanks CHEVY |
Rainbow61 23.04.2019 21:15 |
That's great news! Will it be fixed soon? |
doughnut 23.04.2019 21:16 |
Yay great news Thor .....What a relief ! Now go find yourself a gardener he he he |
Selkie 23.04.2019 21:21 |
Thor! Reading that snippet of your introduction to Jim just made me so happy. Thank you for that! Also very happy to hear you won't have to pay for the plumbing issues. A good ending to that saga. |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 21:23 |
Let me say that once more I'm glad it didnt cost you anything Thor.Its your favorite person Chevy.Its that pain in your ass.Shes back. |
doughnut 23.04.2019 21:34 |
Freddienotfreddy great clip , I must admit I fast forward Brian's solo when I watch them . |
thundergod 23.04.2019 21:39 |
Rainbow, The plumber was able to clear the clog from my pipes and snaking his way to the common pipes. I am flood free now! Whoopie! |
doughnut 23.04.2019 21:39 |
Villiers you are getting some great feedback in a fb group I am in. People are loving your YouTube lives, especially the Jim one . There is a lot of excitement for your live with Thor and lee |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 21:49 |
Doughnut, you fast forward Brian's solo . |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 21:52 |
Doughnut,I would fast forward it too I would rather hear Freddie. |
doughnut 23.04.2019 21:56 |
Chevyman I do......is that bad .....eck |
doughnut 23.04.2019 21:59 |
Oh poop I've just seen your newer reply lol. I just find it goes on a bit . Freddie apparently got quite bored once during a Brian solo ; he suggested that he be taken shopping .....funny |
Rainbow61 23.04.2019 22:04 |
Thor....so glad the plumber was able to make a "Breakthru" and that you are no longer "Under Pressure" worrying about this! Since you didn't get a chance to do any "Lazying On A Sunday Afternoon" on Easter, here's hoping this next Sunday will be far more relaxing! :) |
CHEVYMAN 23.04.2019 22:12 |
Doughnut, Freddie had one of those voices you cant replace.Think about Ozzy Ozbourne how could anybody replace that voice? Black Sabbath couldnt.Queen wont be able to either but they do have the right to do what they know and make music. |
FreddieDarling 23.04.2019 22:59 |
Thor I'm absolutely chuffed for you! What a relief that must be! What a crappy weekend you must've had though. Dealing with all the mess and having that worry hovering over you like the sword of Damocles. Re Brian's guitar solos, I believe it was Gerry Stickell's who said that during guitar solos when Brian got carried away John would throw peanuts at him ! LOL! Bless him! |
Katydyd5 23.04.2019 23:32 |
Thor, glad you won't be financially responsible for the plumber. Those guys make a good living! Mine has replaced several sump pumps, water heaters and garbage disposals for me. I love the guy, but he always seems to be going off on cruises after he does my jobs. Hmmmmmm…... |
The Black Queen's Kid 24.04.2019 00:33 |
Please file this under "Stupid But True". I'm obsessed with prime numbers. I wear 7 silver rings. One of them has Freddie's name engraved on the inside. All the others can be easily removed. Freddie's is solidly in place. It won't budge. I suppose it could be cut off with a blade or torch. It keeps him close to my heart. |
Saint Jiub 24.04.2019 00:34 |
Thor - I am glad to hear that you will sleep well tonight, and that the association was honest. However, I am somewhat concerned and hope that your flooding has not left any significant lingering major or minor annoyances. My coworker had a toilet valve break spewing water while away for the weekend a few years ago, and consequently he was out of the house for a few months while repairs were ongoing. So here is my onslaught of questions ... Does your condo need drywall or floor repairs? Does it need any special cleaning to get rid of any odors? Is there any risk of mold in the house? |
emdee0809 24.04.2019 00:40 |
Thor - glad your water issues are resolved - what will you ever do with your time now that you don't have to worry about your sink overflowing?? Gardening maybe?? I hear you can grow some good turnips. Chevyman - I don't think you can be a pain in anyone's arse - LOL |
thundergod 24.04.2019 01:26 |
Saint Jiub, I have my industrial fan blowing over all the wet areas. Hopefully I have caught it in time to not have mold damage. Thanks for your concern And all others...thank you for your concern too. |
thundergod 24.04.2019 01:27 |
EMDEE...that joke has probably worn out...but LOL anyway! |
thundergod 24.04.2019 01:29 |
BlackQueen'sKid, I like even numbers myself...lol |
emdee0809 24.04.2019 02:09 |
Thor- sorry- I am a little behind- no more jokes:) On another note- I was wondering before this thread began ( including the last one, too) how many years had passed since you seriously started thinking of all those fond memories of Freddie- or did certain things always trigger memories throughout the passing years? |
Jo T. 24.04.2019 02:26 |
Thor, I'm a condo owner, too. I live in a part of the U.S. where many of us have basements - not very common in California - that are sometimes prone to flooding after large periods of rain. Mold is always a major concern. I attached a link from the CDC "Homeowner's and Renter's Guide to Mold Cleanup After Disasters" (link. It also recommends you take photos. I hope it helps. If there are any INTERIOR damages in your BR, the costs should be born by your housing association, because it's the complex's fault. It shouldn't come out of your personal homeowner's insurance, that would typically cover interior damages. Do I make any sense? I've been doubting my brain lately. |
thundergod 24.04.2019 02:32 |
Jo T., That make PERFECT sense...Thank you! |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 02:39 |
Thor,What is the difference between an apartment and a condo?We dont have those where I live. |
Jo T. 24.04.2019 02:47 |
On a brighter note, have you all seen the awesome video for Five Finger Death Punch's "Black and Blue" (link already? Brian May appears 3:25/5:14. OMG, what an entrance he makes, as he reaches for his Red Special! The man is a guitar god. You can't deny his guitar prowess. The song's proceeds go the Gary Sinise Foundation that supports American soldiers, veterans and first responders. I need to make a Freddie-related comment. Yes, it was endearing how Freddie introduced Jim as his "husband." He was so proud of him! |
Jo T. 24.04.2019 03:19 |
Correction: "Blue on Black" See? I can't even get a song's name right. |
SM 24.04.2019 05:44 |
Excuse me for bringing this up one last time everyone but Sweet is not responding to messages apparently and I hope she sees this. After speaking with Villiers about the subject I feel I may have made Sweet truly hurt. Sweet if you see this please accept my apologies. Your jokes were not funny to me and perhaps I didn't understand the humour but I never intended for you to feel badly about yourself. I could have handled this better and I would like to extend a peace offering of a signed copy of Mercury and Me Jim sent me. One of many he gave to me. If you do see this please message me privately and we can chat from there. I'd like to ask that everyone else also take a step back from passing judgement on her as I did so perhaps too quickly. If you must discuss it further please do so respectfully and kindly. Something I should have done to start with. |
doughnut 24.04.2019 07:05 |
Without any doubt Jo.T Brian was amazing . John too, I do like to hear a bit of bass. Freddie darling I'd forgotten about the peanut throwing lol |
Invisible Woman 24.04.2019 07:07 |
Each of us has own opinion. I think at least on this thread we can say what we think. A few days ago I had participated in some other topic about Instagram accounts. I also don't like some pictures and comments on some accounts which support Freddie and Jim. I think it's not appropriate. But that's just my opinion. @Sweetandtenderhooligan, if you think there is nothing wrong with it and that it's some kind of humor, there's no need to delete your account if it's your account. Continue with that. Someone will always like it and someone will not. It's a fact. I hope you read this. The good thing about social networks is that we can decide whether we will use them or not. So I don't have account on Instagram, I can't participate there, but I'm looking at pictures and read comments. I saw the account of the person who is FreddieDearie here, I had what to tell her, and I'll always answer her if she wants a discussion with me here on Queenzone. I don't know, maybe that person is male, never mind. This is Queenzone and Instagram is Instagram and I don't think it should be so much discussed about Instagram here. Excuse me for this interrupt. |
FreddieDarling 24.04.2019 07:14 |
Black Queen's Kid: Mine is odd numbers. I dislike even numbers. I live on the odd numbered side of the street, and it's funny but I noticed the first time ever last night that there are 1 to 101 house numbers on the odd side of the street but only 1 - 80 on the even side! (The road sorts of arcs round in like an elbow about 3/4 up the road) Strange! Does anyone else notice odd patterns? I'm a devil for car numberplates! Trying to make abbreviations out if them, or associations etc) I know it's not uncommon, we humans all do it on some level. It's called pareidolia, this predisposition for humans to search for and find pattern in random patterns of things. Like the first thing we look for in a random shape is the human form or shape. Trying to find order from chaos, I suppose. I just can't leave pattern finding alone though! Sorry if that was boring! And it was absolutely NOTHING to do with our Freddie! Have a great Hump Wednesday, peeps! |
doughnut 24.04.2019 07:28 |
Oh I forgot it's hump day xxx Have a good day all |
Dustin Zimmerman 24.04.2019 07:35 |
I probably overreacted too. I'm sorry sweetandtender. I just didn't understand the need to hide who you are but looking back at the heat you got for the page it's no wonder you did what you did. I might have too. I'm sorry. |
Dustin Zimmerman 24.04.2019 07:39 |
SM if you don't mind my asking how many signed copies of his book did Jim give you? Did Villiers get her signed copy from you? She showed us her signed Freddie book collection once and we all flipped out. I saw one for sale once but I found the listing after it had already closed. What else did Jim leave you with I wonder? |
SM 24.04.2019 08:11 |
Random things Jim had bought for Mr Mercury over the years. Before Ms Austin changed her mind she let them go in the house and take back the items they bought for him. They didn't get to take everything they were told they could but Jim gave me some of the records he got for him that Mr Mercury kept in the house and some books and things people may call knickknacks. I have about 8 signed copies from Jim. He was nice enough to give us a number of them for our friends and some never got sent out. |
Freddienotfreddy 24.04.2019 08:57 |
dougnut, I really like Brian, but he even admits in that clip that he some times tires of his own solos. It is funny that is been universally accepted for almost 40 years that Bri's solos aren't exactly the high point of any Queen show, but he continues to do them . One of the funnier lines in Ratty's book was "I was a young man when Brian May started his solo..". |
SM 24.04.2019 09:44 |
Dustin no I have not given one to any Queen fans in many years. Although Jim signed a good number of them for promo when the book was realised and again during Queen conventions. I'm sure if you search hard enough you can find one signed or ask Villiers where she obtained hers. Jim made friends with countless fans she may have asked him to sign her copy. He took to sending letters and photos to fans and friends as well. Just a nice bloke. I still have his Christmas letters with some photos of his garden in Ireland. He was quite proud of it. |
Blenkolove 24.04.2019 10:01 |
Guess What Day it is????? Huuump Daaay....Yeah!!!!! SM....i started this Freddie Love Journey many years ago. And my love for Freddie is as strong as ever! But I think the Biggest surprise for me, so far, is how much I have come to love Jim!! Thank you for sharing your Jim stories with us....and being his champion!!! I've Always wanted to give Phoebe a hug......but now I wish I could hug Jim too!! And You!!! Have a Fab day!!! |
Katydyd5 24.04.2019 11:13 |
Hey SM, I may have missed some information when you first joined in. Well, missed or forgotten! I have so much Freddie related stuff filed in my brain it's amazing there is room for anything else. I believe you said you worked security at Garden Lodge??? How long were you there? What did your job include? What kind of records did Jim buy for Freddie? I appreciate your stories about Jim. He's always seemed such a nice man and you've added to that perception. |
SM 24.04.2019 11:29 |
I was hired by Mr Beach for security at the garden lodge. Basically all we did was monitor the grounds outside and the garden. We were given strict instructions as to who were allowed inside the house and when. Lots of Aretha Franklin records and some gospel sounding stuff I wasn't too familiar with. Jim said Mr Mercury once expressed a desire to record with a gospel choir but he never knew if he was serious or if it was passing comment since the sound seemed pretty different than the Queen sound. It would have been interesting I'm sure. |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 11:46 |
Sm, His voice was absolutely beautiful .I think he would have sang till his voice bleed if he had too.Noone can match it . |
Katydyd5 24.04.2019 12:57 |
SM, I can picture Freddie recording with a Gospel choir. I don't think we can even begin to imagine what he might have done musically had he not been gone so young. One more question. I recently saw some pictures of Garden Lodge that must have been taken after Freddie was gone. There are children's toys in the yard, although I do think Thor said there was a swingset there the last time they visited Freddie, so who knows when they were taken. Anyway, I noticed what appear to be security cameras on the outside walls of the home. I don't recall seeing them before, but maybe I never saw pictures from the correct angle. If the cameras on the home came after Freddie's time, were you there when they were installed? There must have been a command center inside the home to view the images from the cameras. Did you ever see that? |
SM 24.04.2019 13:12 |
They did have cameras there but I was not involved or oversee the installation. |
Dustin Zimmerman 24.04.2019 13:14 |
Were the camers temporary or permanent from that point on SM? |
back.chat 24.04.2019 13:20 |
I've been reading here for a while and think it's time to join in. SM: Thank you for sharing your memories of Jim, Joe and Phoebe. I think Freddie would have done wonderful if he ever got to record with a gospel choir. Queen has some songs that gently touch the 'black' music genre and he also did some songs with a choir for the Barcelona album. A pity he didn't get to carry out that plan, if he was really serious about it. |
SM 24.04.2019 13:21 |
I can't imagine the few cameras they had some 20+ years ago being permanent fixtures. The equipment we had for home security back then was rather large and bulky. Mr Beach was concerned after rumors of some extremist fans wanting to force entry started circulating so he did have something put up as an extra set of eyes. Back then the camera quality was very low and made it hard to distinguish faces. I know the original set of equipment they used did not last long. |
Dustin Zimmerman 24.04.2019 13:27 |
Did you see the cats pretty often? Animals tend to know when their owners are missing. I wonder if you noticed anything like that with Freddie's pets. |
SM 24.04.2019 13:36 |
I did see the cats around the house and in the garden. One would often wander off beyond the gate but seemed to know his way back. A big yellow or orange cat if memory serves. Some had no interest in walking about outside and others did. I'm afraid I couldn't tell you if they sensed a difference in the home but they all greeted the lads warmly when I saw them. |
emdee0809 24.04.2019 14:41 |
Happy hump day to everyone - although it is still morning here - I have quite a ways to go before getting over the hump!! Sm - as many have stated - much gratitude for sharing your stories - they truly are sincere and heartwarming. About the security and cameras - although not mentioned -with the cameras in place, the house was under 24-hour surveillance - a list was given provided of who was to permit to enter the premises - am I wrong in thinking this was a pretty short list? |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 15:13 |
I agree with you katydyd freddy was taken so young he was my age.I was 18 when he passed.He had so much music left in him didnt he? I would love to hear him sing some gospel music.Elvis did why not Freddie.He was a Legend and Queens music will live on forever. |
RussiaLand 24.04.2019 15:18 |
CHEVYMAN, I didn't fully understand your reply, hope you understood that it's not MY opinion that those photos are photoshop or photomontage. I was just trying to provide some context as to where some of the crazy ideas that can be found on the internet probably stem from. Hope I didn't bore everyone with my lengthy description of the things happening in Russia. Anyway, I do have one unanswered question, it was about a guy called Tony King. @Thor, just wondering if he is the guy you mentioned? |
SM 24.04.2019 15:22 |
Yes we were made aware of who was allowed into the property day by day. Most people who were given access were only allowed that access on certain days for certain times. |
doughnut 24.04.2019 16:29 |
Shaun hi hope you are well May I ask a question? There is a YouTube of what is said to be Freddie playing 'send in the clowns ' on piano. It is said that Freddie did this for jim after a particularly bad argument. This is apparently Jim's fav so Freddie learnt it and recorded it as a peace offering . Did Jim ever mention this as it would be nice to know that it is genuine. If it is it's a real eye opener and very sweet and loving of Freddie ? |
Rainbow61 24.04.2019 16:41 |
Hi SM, I apologize if this has been asked before....During the time you were at Garden Lodge, were there many fans stopping by, standing outside of the gate to take in the atmosphere of just being there or maybe leaving a note on the fence wall etc. Did you ever have a chance to chat with any of the fans...if so, what was your impression of them? |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 16:42 |
Russia, I understood what You said Its just crazy to me how someone could lower themselves to do or say such things when they arent true.I know I'm guilty of the same with my comments on Mary Austin but most of my comments are backed by facts.I sure would never say their relationship never existed in some form even if it weren't a romantic connection on Freddie's part.The relationship still existed. |
thundergod 24.04.2019 16:51 |
Hi Emdee, You had a question back on pg.225 At first, when Freddie passed away, I made a conscious effort to suppress memories because they were too painful.. Because of this, over the next few years, I put these memories away in a not so easily accessible area of my brain. More time passed and the detailed memories of Freddie seemed to be lost. Twenty five years later, I discovered QueenZone and the memories became clearer, sharper and more pleasant thanks to all of you wonderful QZ people. Most of you super fans know so much more about Freddie and his history than I did. This place has been a learning site for me, and a place where Freddie is alive once more! |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 17:00 |
Thor, It seems like alot of you guys had trouble dealing with his death .He was so young exactly my age.That is way too young.Im glad you can recall fun times again and connect on this forum I hope it helps. |
Rainbow61 24.04.2019 17:07 |
Hi Thor....my question from 223 kind of piggybacks with Emdee's re: Most memory evoking place in NYC. Thanks. :) I guess your place is all dried out now? |
thundergod 24.04.2019 17:11 |
RussiaLand, Yes, exactly. The man I was referring to was Tony King. Thank you. |
doughnut 24.04.2019 17:34 |
Thor I asked a question. Did John Murphy visit Freddie in 1986 or is that made up ? Also when you got home after you first time meeting Freddie , did you think 'omg I've spent the night with Freddie Mercury ' or did you not really know who he was ?. |
thundergod 24.04.2019 17:45 |
Hi Rainbow, Sorry you never got an answer to that question. Unfortunately, most of the "haunts" we used to go to in New York no longer exist. So I will answer your question in two ways. First, the place that no longer exists and second, the place that does. OK, going out to the most popular gay dance club in New York during that time period called "The Saint" was very memorable. I have described this place before with it's actual planetarium machine in the center of the dance floor and it's domed roof to catch all the stars, asteroids, comets and planets. Freddie would not dance, but he loved the atmosphere there anyway. Of places that still exist, you can just ask JoT. I sent her to a small West Village bar named "Tys" on her recent trip to N.Y. Freddie liked the old-time, neighborhood feel AND the HOT men that frequented it. I was recently there myself and the place literally has not changed one bit in 35 years. In that unchanged ambiance, it is easy to picture Freddie still flirting with one of the attractive barmen (bartenders in this country.) |
thundergod 24.04.2019 17:53 |
Hey doughnut, John Murphy had moved to LA to be with his lover in 1984. He did not go with us to London in 1986. I think the last time he saw Freddie was in New York in 1983 with Lee, Joe and myself, just before Freddie moved out of New York. The other question...darn, I have to say, "see the book"...sorry. |
doughnut 24.04.2019 17:58 |
Dam Thor I knew you would say wait for you book lol Thank you , that's one thing cleared up as some books /documentaries suggest Freddie had a visit where John told Freddie he had aids !! Where do these people get this false information from ...the mind boggles |
thundergod 24.04.2019 18:19 |
Oh.... easy! These people just make it up! |
FreddieDarling 24.04.2019 18:30 |
SM :. That lovely orange cat was Freddie's lovely ginger tom Oscar (who left awhile after Freddie passed away) Fredie claimed custody of him after he and his then partner Tony Bastin broke up. Mr. Bastin was unfaithful and Freddie summoned him to the U.S. via Concord, thempn promptly dumped him and sent him back via economy class flight! But told him to leave Oscar as he wanted to keep him!! Wow! I love Freddie to bits, but if he tried to steal my pussycat (my child as I see her) he'd have needed those boxing skills! :-) LOL ! |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 18:38 |
Why make it up?Dont they know people will dig up the truth.What a shame they have nothing better to write about. |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 18:47 |
I think somewhere like Newyork would be interesting.I have been outside the the state of Oklahoma only twice.The town I live in has one grocery store a post office a McDonald's and that's about it.I sure never been to any clubs I would have to have several drinks before I walked in the door The more I drink the more I talk. |
CHEVYMAN 24.04.2019 18:48 |
I think somewhere like Newyork would be interesting.I have been outside the the state of Oklahoma only twice.The town I live in has one grocery store a post office a McDonald's and that's about it.I sure never been to any clubs I would have to have several drinks before I walked in the door The more I drink the more I talk. |
Galileo1564 24.04.2019 21:42 |
ChevyMan, the great mystery to me is why do people just drink this stuff up? So someone writes a book and claims that Freddie got HIV from John Murphy who got it from Gaetan Dugas. Anybody with half a brain knows that the authors just made this up. (With modern biotech and the right blood samples one could prove this wrong, but I digress.) Now this book must sell, as I keep hearing about it on this site and it exists in an Audible version. So now Thor and Lee have written a truthful book with new photos, and the publishers aren’t climbing all over each other for the rights to this? I hope it sells great. That would restore my faith a bit in people’s desire to know the truth. So yeah, people who come here can easily dig up the truth that John Murphy and Freddie were only ever friends, but it does seem that made-up gossip sells. |
SM 24.04.2019 23:01 |
Sorry friends but this is Mr Thor and Mr Lee's page. I don't mind answering a handful of questions here but I don't wish to take their spotlight so I'm going to skip the last few. Hope you understand. Cheers |
thundergod 24.04.2019 23:13 |
Dear Shaun, Don't be angry at us, but Lee and I give you FULL PERMISSION to share our site with whatever our wonderful community here would like to have answered. We insist on sharing our platform for people like yourself who have SO much to offer ALL of us! |
thundergod 24.04.2019 23:15 |
Ha Ha, And you thought you could just sit back and relax...LOL |
SM 25.04.2019 00:00 |
Hello again. I don't remember Jim ever mentioning that song but he did tell me once that Mr Mercury had a nasty habit of not apologizing after an argument. Instead he would try to make Jim crack a smile so he couldn't stay angry. One way he did this was to sit at the piano and play songs Jim recognized until he lightened up a bit. That might be what you're referring to? We did see hundreds of fans and were told not to speak with them or the press. Joe and Mr Freestone were always polite to the fans but kept their distance. Jim was very talkative with them and seemed to find more emtional support on the outside of the garden lodge walls with them vs with anyone inside. That's not to say Joe and Mr Freestone didn't care but they were grieving themselves and Joe for one hated discussing Mr Mercury. He was so focused on what was happening with Ms Austin and Mr Beach he seemed too angry to grieve for Mr Mercury just then. Fans left notes and flowers. When they got too piled we picked them up and removed them on request of Mr Beach. Jim insisted on keeping a handful of notes from the fans that told him they travelled from other countries to pay their respects. Good on him. Thank you for your generosity Mr Thor. I owe you a lager the next time you find yourself in England. And a big bear hug. Lol I understand in America a bear hug could mean something else couldn't it! |
Blenkolove 25.04.2019 00:01 |
Womp Womp Womp....... |
emdee0809 25.04.2019 00:28 |
Thor - I think I remember reading you entered the "zone" to dispute some untrue facts that were written about John Murphy. Correct me if I am wrong. So really something negative turned into something very positive - reliving those fond memories. Thor, Lee, and SM - I might add, I am very impressed that you can recall details from 25-30 years ago. ( I can barely remember what happened yesterday sometimes - LOL!!) To me, this just demonstrates what an impact Freddie had on those he knew. Kudos to all of for sharing. SM - isn' it very late across the pond right now? I rarely get to chat with live with those at this time of the evening. |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 00:30 |
SM, It has many meanings but I think a hug of any kind shows kindness and mutual respect between two people that maybe are friends that havent been together in a while.The other kinda hug well let's see hug them and let the good times roll .I'm just kidding I am sure Thor wouldnt mind giving you a hug at all .He seems like a nice guy. |
emdee0809 25.04.2019 00:32 |
Please excuse my typos - it appears I did not do a very good job of proofreading before posted - I hate when that happens!! I have a few extra words - darn! |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 00:50 |
Galileo, Gaetan Dugas wasnt he a flight attendant.I think they blamed alot on that guy and it's no more his fault than it is anyone else.This is the way I see things they were dealing with this awful virus that was killing people some in hours of getting to hospitals because they didnt know they were sick.They had to blame someone.So they pin it on gay men which I think was a chicken shit thing to do.By the time they dug their heads out of their ass and figured out what they were dealing with they noticed heterosexual people were getting it as well.So my question is why single one man out or one group of people just because you cant figure out what was truly causing AIDS?I dont get it. |
Freddienotfreddy 25.04.2019 01:12 |
FreddieDarling, i've always felt that Oscar came out on top in the Freddie/Tony break up. Obviously Tony wasn't too devoted to Oscar if he left him with Freddie. |
thundergod 25.04.2019 01:30 |
Shaun, As far as I know, a bear hug means the same thing anywhere. It does not have a sexual meaning. However in this country, if the bear hug is between two men, it usually is followed by an obligatory pat on the back to keep it separate from the hug of a man and a woman lest anyone think that the two men were gay...God forbid...LOL Now, the term "bear" itself has a meaning here. It is gay slang usually used to describe an older gay man, not in shape or obese, with a lot of body hair displayed proudly by keeping shirts fully open, etc. I fight very hard not to be considered a bear though I can do NOTHING about the age...LOL |
SM 25.04.2019 02:02 |
Do American men still feel strange around gay people? The whole macho man thing still going strong over there? I ask because here nobody bats an eyelid and some of the nicest folks I've known are gay. But all American movies seem to make those "no homo" jokes and leaves me wondering. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting American humour again lol. I did visit a club with my mate Dan back in the 80's and I was flattered by the attention I received but definitely not my cup of tea admittedly lol. Still there was an undeniable fun atmosphere in the place. Wish I could remember the name. I have a bad habit of flaking out for just a few hours at a time instead of sleeping the full 7 hours. I've tried everything short of drugs to correct it but so far the best method seems to be hot tea and a good book. I check in when I can. |
emdee0809 25.04.2019 02:16 |
Doughnut- thanks for the post concerning the "Send in the Clowns" piano solo by Freddie on YouTube- it's a very simple recording but quire beautiful- shed a few tears listening to it for some reason- I guess it was that backstory you refered to concerning a possible peace offering for Jim- that really tugged at the heartstrings. |
Blenkolove 25.04.2019 02:30 |
SM......a few of my patients have told me that their medical marijuana has helped big time with their insomnia. Do you have that in GB??? I also only sleep for about 2 hours at a time......i feel exhausted All the time! I have tried melatonin, Tylenol pm, Nyquil, unisom, Chamomile tea....(Not to be taken together) sometimes those aids help, most of the time NOT!! The only thing i haven't tried yet is Valerian root supplements from the health food store. (I do not have a medical marijuana license yet....but maybe one day soon!!) ......Broken sleep sucks! ...hope this helps! |
Saint Jiub 25.04.2019 02:43 |
SM wrote: Do American men still feel strange around gay people? The whole macho man thing still going strong over there? I ask because here nobody bats an eyelid and some of the nicest folks I've known are gay. But all American movies seem to make those "no homo" jokes and leaves me wondering.Shaun - As an American male, I am disappointed to say I might still feel strange around gay people, but I never know if gay people are nearby. I have only personally met and been casual acquaintances with a few gay people and none currently live nearby. I do feel uncomfortable discussing this, and fear I might say something stupid. |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 02:45 |
Blenko, I have insomnia they give me sleeping pills, anxietymeds,plus I take cymbalta for my PTSD nothing works.I waunder if the Mary Jane would work better for me.How hard is it to get your Dr to give you a script? |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 02:59 |
Saint,why do says make you uncomfortable?I'm just curious thanks for being honest. |
Blenkolove 25.04.2019 03:02 |
CHEVY, I only know Florida....i think different states have different rules. Because it is not Federally approved it is not covered by insurance or Medicare. It is a cash pay service. From what I gather...you visit an 'approved' physician to obtain your license, then once you have your license you are able to purchase at a medical marijuana dispensary. I hear that you can get it in gummies, liquid to 'vape' , drops. ......the Dental Association in Fla. Is recommending the gummy form....as it seems to have the least possible oral side effects. Let me know what you find out about Oklahoma Laws. Your reservation may have totally different laws, as well. |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 03:06 |
Saint,Why do gays make you uncomfortable?Thanks for being honest. |
Freddienotfreddy 25.04.2019 03:07 |
SM, Freddie was a huge gospel fan, especially Aretha Franklin. The Queen song Somebody To Love is regarded by the group as Freddie's gospel moment. Peter Freestone says it was Freddie's favorite Queen song and one of his favorite to perform. It is always a highlight of Queen concerts. Freddie often talked about Aretha Franklin being his favorite singer. In the interview link I'm posting, he says he would love to hear Aretha sing Somebody To Love and how he could have sung George Micheal's part on their (George and Aretha's)duet I knew You Were Waiting. Another interesting thing about this interview( it was conducted in 1989, 2 years after Freddie found out he was sick) is to hear the band deflect the question as to why they aren't touring to promote The Miracle album. Freddie admits he's the reason they aren't touring without getting into his health issues. It is interesting to listen to it now knowing what was actually happening at that time and that Freddie has so little time left. link |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 03:09 |
Thanks blenko will do. |
Rainbow61 25.04.2019 04:58 |
Hey Thor, Thanks for your answer about the memorable places in NYC. I think it often takes being asked questions to elicit memories. Since we don’t usually ask ourselves questions, we feel like we are forgetting. It’s surprising how well we can access memories when we begin to think about specifics. Did you ever find that one of your “Freddie memories” was different than Lee’s? I’m always amazed when I talk to my husband about something that happened a while back and he remembers things that I never even noticed and vice versa. I would imagine as a nurse you had to constantly be observant of small details and subtle changes you might see with patients. Do you think that kind of training helped you be a more observant person in general? (Some years ago I was watching a mini-series with my husband set in Medieval times. One of the main characters was missing an arm, something I did not notice until a few episodes in, much to my husband's COMPLETE amazement...nursing might not have been a good career field for me to have entered. LOL. ) |
Saint Jiub 25.04.2019 05:35 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Saint,Why do gays make you uncomfortable?Thanks for being honest.Xenophobia? It is 12:30 AM and i need to go to work tomorrow. I will likely comment more tomorrow, although I have no idea what I will say. |
Rainbow61 25.04.2019 06:07 |
SM, Loved hearing about the Freddie fans and how Jim insisted on keeping some of the notes that were left behind at the Garden Lodge wall. That says a lot about how much Freddie meant to him...I hope rereading those notes brought him some comfort. Thanks so much for sharing. By the way….when you used the expression “flaking out” I wasn’t sure what you meant and had to look it up! I live in the US and would use “flaking out” to mean someone was acting strangely all of a sudden. I always enjoy learning new words and expressions. I had never heard the word “chuffed” before I came to this site. Many years ago I had a student teacher who was from England. She was attending a local university and was placed in my 3rd grade classroom. One day she was getting the kids ready for a whole-group lesson…standing in front of the class with the kids seated at their desks, she said something to the effect of “Boys and girls, could you please take out your rubbers?” I wanted to burst out laughing. (Of course I didn’t). Not something one typically hears in a elementary Catholic school classroom! :) |
Jo T. 25.04.2019 06:27 |
@Rainbow61, yes, Thor “sent” me to my very 1st gay bar, a leather bar, Ty’s, in the West Village last month! It feels like eons ago. It was a very memorable night in the Village. My GFs and I had an absolute blast, even though it wasn’t perfectly smooth. BTW, Thor, I got approved by my employer to attend a conference in suburban NJ in June. If my BF can get his time-off request approved, he agrees to join me in NYC, after the conference is over, and accompany me back to Ty’s. Last month, I had ordered a vodka tonic in Freddie’s honor, but I had completely forgotten to raise my glass – I mean, a Ty’s mug – to him. I HAVE to go back to complete the act, but I don’t want to go back as a solo female. I’m ready for the Freddie in NY Tour, Part Deux! I’d like to check out and take photos of the former Anvil, Freddie’s co-op, etc. Of course, Marie’s Crisis is No. 1 on the agenda! What song(s) do you normally request @ Marie’s? BTW, I’m sorry I ever referred to you as “Thor Bear.” It’s because you’re > 50, tall and have broad shoulders. It’s not about your BMI or chest hair. It was meant in jest and online affection. Also, I dwarf in comparison to you, like how Brian May towers over the late Jer Bulsara in photos. I hope I’m taller than Mrs. Bulsara, but I have a feeling we’re the same height. I may have to resume daily calcium supplements. @SM, please don't hold back. We enjoy reading about your times @ Garden Lodge and your acquaintance w/Jim. @CHEVYMAN, I’m sorry to learn of your PTSD. I’ve encountered so many people who have PTSD, from combat, MVAs, assault, etc. I hope it resolves eventually and that you achieve inner peace. @Freddienotfreddy and katydyd5, have you ever seen the 1992 tribute concert to Freddie Mercury @ Wembley? I’ve seen it on YouTube. Freddie finally got his gospel choir – on stage. It’s too bad the late Aretha Franklin never performed @ the tribute. I bet Freddie would’ve loved it. I bet SHE would’ve been honored. I wonder if she was even invited to participate? I honestly believe that if he remained alive today, Freddie and Aretha would’ve eventually paired up for a collaboration. He certainly left a lot to the imagination as to where his artistry would’ve taken him in the past 27 years. Well, good night/day, fellow insomniacs. It’s almost 2:30 AM, EST, and I have to work tomorrow - today. QZ is my secret, late-night/early AM pleasure! |
FreddieDarling 25.04.2019 07:08 |
Freddienotfreddy:. l absolutely agree that Oscar certainly did very well for himself when Freddie adopted him, and I know that Freddie made certain that all of his cats had the best possible life, and loved them all dearly, I was just saying, if anybody wanted to take my _MY_ baby (my Mitzy Munchkin) away from me, they're in for a heck of a fight! :-) I was being partially flippant, but Tony Bastin cannot have been nearly devoted enough to this beautiful red tabby gentleman. Can you tell I'm besotted by cats? Had them all my life. Little Freddie (my figuarts figure) is scheduled to arrive today! I feel like an expectant mother! :-) Have a good day, peeps! |
doughnut 25.04.2019 07:40 |
Emdee hi yes I was referring to that back story . It's nice to know that it is likely genuine Thank you Shaun for replying , I'm really grateful. It's lovely to hear how he kept some of the cards from fans . He feel he really appreciated them . I wish more people knew how wonderfully humble and kind he was . Shaun where in the UK are you ? Love the ,rubber, story . We call them erasers now , rubber is what we called them years ago as obviously rubber is something else entirely these days lol. I wish I could flake out today as im.so tired I struggle to.sleep and I use something over the counter called sominex. The use of cannabis is something constantly in the press here as it is proven to help with certain conditions. It can only be bought in certain forms here in liquid I believe . |
Freddienotfreddy 25.04.2019 09:25 |
Jo T, I've only seen parts of the tribute concert, not really sure why I have never watched it in it's entirety. The part I have seen is George Michael performing Somebody To Love. I feel he did a great job with it. It's funny you that you wonder if Aretha Franklin was asked to perform. In Jim's book he also questions why/if certain performers that Freddie admired or was close with weren't invited (to his knowledge) to perform. |
Freddienotfreddy 25.04.2019 09:30 |
Jo T, I meant to add that while I feel George Michael did a good job, Aretha Franklin performing Somebody To Love with a full choir would have phenomenal! |
FreddieDarling 25.04.2019 10:52 |
I am the proud owner of a Rockin' Lovely Boy! He insisted on serenading me as soon as I'd unpacked him (after a good stretch!- Royal Mail want up to his usual Business Class standard of travel !) Here he is my Little Freddie! ........ |
Blenkolove 25.04.2019 11:03 |
FreddieDarling.... That's quite a catch!!!! I'm totally envious...but you would give him a better home than I. If I had him....my granddaughter would Certainly steal him from me.....and since I can deny her nothing......oh well..Maybe someday, oneday!! What does he sing??? ENJOY!! |
Katydyd5 25.04.2019 11:23 |
FreddieDarling, I love that Freddie figure! You are a lucky lady. I like knowing that Jim saved the cards too. Freddie meant so much to so many. I've seen bits and pieces of the Tribute Concert. For whatever reason I can't bring myself to watch the whole thing. I could be way off on this, but wasn't Aretha afraid to fly? |
LoganMews 25.04.2019 11:41 |
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LoganMews 25.04.2019 11:44 |
Hi Thor/Lee, I know you have been busy this week with flood Thor, believe it or not I am also in the process of drying out our house after we discovered a small leak which once we'd find out about had turned into a LARGE leak, not any fun as you will know. I had an earlier question which you may have missed due to the issues you have had however I would be interested in knowing what you think, here goes: "I have just been watching the 'epic' Flash Gordon movie, truth be told I only watch it for the amazing soundtrack. It did get me thinking though back to your time with Freddie as I recall a story that Freddie would have been keen on Sam Jones (i.e. Flash Gordon) however he was too shy to do anything about it. Did he ever mention him to you guys? From the earlier photos of yourself in the early 80's Thor I would say that you and Sam Jones were quite similar so it wouldn't surprise me if Freddie was attracted to him." I cannot wait for the book and for further news on it, Christmas will be coming early when it arrives!!! All the best from Bonny Scotland (Lee, did you find out anything more on your Scottish heritage?) |
RussiaLand 25.04.2019 12:14 |
Wow... I didn't know about medical marijuana being practiced in the USA. I've got a bit of a cultural shock right now:) I wanted to add about John Murphy rumours, I don't think people entirely make this up. My understanding is, they base it on Paul Prenter's interview. I wanted to read it for myself once, to see what was it exactly that Paul said. I couldn't find it on the internet, the only variant of it was in the form of newspaper photos listed on some site (eBay or something like that). So I had to basically read it with a magnifying glass. I typed it, you can read the result here (sorry if I read something wrong, the letters are too small and blurry): https://4imaroza.livejournal.com/1101.html It is Paul who mentions that John Murphy visited Freddie in Garden Lodge in 1986 (and I'm not sure if he means John was visiting alone): "John was at Freddie's home in London a few weeks before his death and had to rush back because his lover, who also had AIDS, had taken a turn for the worse." |
back.chat 25.04.2019 12:29 |
Katydyd5: Yes, I've read Aretha Franklin developed a fear of flying sometime in the '80's. That's probably the reason why she didn't attend the Tribute concert. I'd think she would be one of the first persons to be invited. |
Charlies boy 25.04.2019 12:31 |
Oh lord. Freddieandjimforever is back on Instagram as jimandfreddieforever. Fingers crossed she plays it differently this time. I'm fine with her posting all she likes but let's hope she's done with the lying and strange behavior. |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 13:02 |
JoT, My PTSD is Complex PTSD caused by childhood trauma so they say I will always have it.My father has it too.He was in the US Vietnam War .When he came back he was really messed up.So when I was born It was pretty bad growing up so they think that's what caused my PTSD. |
FreddieDarling 25.04.2019 15:47 |
Look at the lovely cross stitch my lovely sister made for me as a thank you for treating her to her ticket for the Mercury concert last week. Isn't she clever ? I love it! |
FreddieDarling 25.04.2019 15:49 |
Little Freddie would like to shake you all by the hand! :-) |
FreddieDarling 25.04.2019 18:05 |
Hi Thor I hope your plumbing issues are in the way to being solved and cleared up now. Water can be a terrible foe! Yes, I feel very lucky to have my Little Freddie (though he DID set me back a pretty penny!) He settled in well. As I have some time off work I've been able to show him around and introduce him to Big Freddie (the singing one) and Medium Freddie (my custom made boy) and Funko Freddie! He's very impressed by my good taste! :-) Doughnut, you asked what he sung to me : He sang "Somebody to Love" and I said "Darling, you've FOUND somebody to love you! _I_ love you! (Me and half of the world :-} .......) He sat on my lap this afternoon and watched Midsomer Murder, though he did get fidgety! He's such a hyperactive boy! LOL Enough of this silliness! Suffice to say I'm very, very chuffed with him and every single penny feels well spent! Hope you all had a good Thursday. TTFN from FD and LF! |
doughnut 25.04.2019 18:28 |
Awww Freddie is going to live being with you Freddiedarling, he is pretty awsome as is the cross stitch . Does he have different heads ? Re the tribute concert , I can't bear to watch it although I've seen George Michael and he sung somebody to love amazing . George was pretty fantastic. Why do we loose the good ones so young . Russialand that is,the famous Paul printer betrayal of Freddie . Ive not seen what it consisted of before and boy he certainly sold Freddie out ! Awful. Thor Paul prenter claims Freddie slept with John once and then they remained friends I wonder if Freddie did ring Paul and say how scared of aids he was ? They were friends then so it's possible and Freddie surely would have been worried seeing as aids was getting a,lot of coverage by then and the life he lived . When you see it all in print like that it sounds awful. Poor Freddie and Jim as he was outed in that article , according to his book . |
doughnut 25.04.2019 18:46 |
flipping spelling again.....it's worse when I use the Kindle ...arrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
thundergod 25.04.2019 20:26 |
Hey Logan Mews, Although Freddie was proud of his contributions to "Flash Gordon", I don't believe he ever mentioned being attracted to Sam Jones. If you think Sam Jones is attractive and think that I (used) to look like him, thank you very much for the compliment!...LOL |
thundergod 25.04.2019 20:32 |
Russialand, Oh my God! John Murphy passed away LONG BEFORE Freddie had succumbed to this dreadful disease. Give me a break! |
doughnut 25.04.2019 21:21 |
I went to see Flash Gordon at the cinema but I can't for the life of me remember the story. Have you seen 'ted' as he makes an appearance in it , it's quite funny. Mark Wahlberg is one of my fav actors . |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 21:21 |
I thought John passed away earlier than Freddie Thanks for info.They really need to let that poor guy rest in peace along with the many others that have been accused of passing that virus to Freddie.I dont think he worried or wasted time trying to figure out who gave it to him.I think that subject needs to be buried.I know if I would've contracted it back then it was basically a death sentence so I would create me a bucket list and do everything I wanted while I still could. |
CHEVYMAN 25.04.2019 21:22 |
I thought John passed away earlier than Freddie Thanks for info.They really need to let that poor guy rest in peace along with the many others that have been accused of passing that virus to Freddie.I dont think he worried or wasted time trying to figure out who gave it to him.I think that subject needs to be buried.I know if I would've contracted it back then it was basically a death sentence so I would create me a bucket list and do everything I wanted while I still could. |
FreddieDarling 25.04.2019 22:18 |
Doughnut , he has 3 heads. One at rest , with mouth shut (bit of a mean and moody look), one singing mouth in a soft "O" and one where he's really singing hard, eyes closed. He's "wearing" his eyes shut head now as it's sleepy bye time. Trouble is with his mouth wide open he looks like he's having a nightmare, poor pet! It's a bit macabre actually popping his poor head off! He has 4 sets of hands for mic holding, gesturing, fist punching the air etc. 2 mics. Regular and half mic. I love him to bits. He's curled up in a sock (brand new one! at the moment, I ordered him a doll house bed with bedside table, and breakfast tray 1:12 scale today! Daft, I know, but I think he's lovely! Love all my Freddie dollies! :-) My innocent (if expensive) pleasure! Have a good evening, my peeps! FD and LF! |
emdee0809 25.04.2019 22:44 |
Freddiedarling - I am so happy you have a new addition to your Freddie family - and with all of his accessories, it sounds like loads to be excited about, You sound like an awesome "mother" to all of your Freddies -glad he found his way into your home - he will be well taken care of - much better than the person who sold him!! Russia - thanks for the newspaper translation - I never realized just how much Paul Prenter revealed in his sell out. How devastating this must have been for Freddie. Why would Paul ever think Freddie would talk to him again? Thor - after this was published - did Freddie ever contact you about this? The NYC daughters are mentioned several times. |
thundergod 25.04.2019 23:07 |
Sorry Emdee, About what? |
emdee0809 25.04.2019 23:24 |
Thor - the fact that the daughters were mentioned in the article - Did Freddie ever communicate to you or any of the daughters about his false accusations about John? To me, there were a lot of innuendos in those articles. |
thundergod 25.04.2019 23:33 |
What articles. When were these articles published? The fact that I don't know anything about "these articles" probably answers your question as a big resounding, "No". |
emdee0809 26.04.2019 00:03 |
Thor - sorry - I was referring to the articles that Russia referenced in her post above. The articles were from The Sun - published May 4, 1987. It had the picture of the hat party with the caption of John as his 2nd lover to die of Aids. This was on the front page and then the article of Paul Prenter's sell out of Freddie. Was there ever any conversation about this particular article between you and Freddie? Maybe a conversation like - "this guy doesn't know what he's talking about", but in much more colorful language! It just angers me that the press couldn't wait to get this dirt. You may have not even realized this came out in the press at the time. |
The Black Queen's Kid 26.04.2019 00:08 |
Blenkolove, I can tell you that valerian can cause some crazy dreams. I'm not sure why. I seriously considered writing a book about the goofy sleep adventures I had when I used it to help with insomnia. Very vivid images and strange plot twists. "One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small..." |
Saint Jiub 26.04.2019 00:34 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Xenophobia is probably too strong of a word as I feel I am neither phobic nor hateful.CHEVYMAN wrote: Saint,Why do gays make you uncomfortable?Thanks for being honest.Xenophobia? It is 12:30 AM and i need to go to work tomorrow. I will likely comment more tomorrow, although I have no idea what I will say. I do not believe I am totally hopeless. LOL Years ago I initiated and hugged a man at at a Queen convention because it seemed to be appropriate, and I my felt my apprehension was stupid. He is/was a great guy that I genuinely liked, and I was appreciative of the all the hard work he had done arranging the convention. Also, he was proud of me when I finally won a Queen trivia contest after previous tries in earlier years. On the other hand, I rarely hug my dad, brother or sons, but I give goodbye hugs to my sister or female friends (without feeling creepy). In other words, I have no rational or irrational explanation. |
thundergod 26.04.2019 01:11 |
Hey Emdee, No, Freddie did not. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 01:18 |
Emdee, people from the sun are unreliable sources they will twist anything to sell it I dont believe a word that was written.Noone knows not even them who slept with who I think Its private and between those parties involved.We have to remember everybody was young at one time and like to have a good time.AIDS didnt discriminate.It affected the poor middle class and the very rich and famous.I just think it's amazing Thor and Lee survived it and are here to tell their story.We also have to remember these names we throw out there were their brothers that should've grew old with them. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 01:30 |
Saint, Thank You for your clarification .I dont have a problem with the subject you are speaking of because I dont believe in labeling people or placing people in a specific group of people.I have no gender preference.It took me a long time through my teenage years to come to terms with it but when I did it gave me peace.I also have a very understanding spouse.He accepts me as I am. |
emdee0809 26.04.2019 01:37 |
Thanks, Thor for answering -I don't really like becoming involved with the topic of Aids- it is irrelevant to me how Freddie or any of the people that succumbed to this horrible disease contracted it. It's a very sensitive topic and I know you must have grieved over way too many close friends. Chevy - I don't know anything about The Sun - but I am sure they were willing to print anything that made them a quick buck. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 01:47 |
Yes Emdee they were quick to make a buck and still are.They didnt even let Freddie's parents grieve their son I read.They flashed lights in their faces when they came to view his body after his passing at home.In my book that's very disresptful.All these young men were somebody's son, brother,and uncle.Those people are bottom feeders in my book.If you got a story to tell they will pay you truth or not. |
Perk 26.04.2019 01:55 |
@Thundergod First let me say I saw a comment on here that says Mary was emotionally manipulative of Freddie and a straight up bitch. I have no sympathy at all for her. She strikes me as a sociopath, she may have been "quiet" but she was freaking ruthless. Anyone who would destroy the shrine to Freddie 25 years after he died is sick in the head. The fans have no place to show remembrance and I thought the messages were sweet and awesome. I was even thinking about leaving one for myself next time I'm in London but I guess that's out. I just can't understand the gall of that. How could you disrespect him that way, I guess it's nothing new since you waited till he was gone to finally betray him in the first place. Posting bodyguards to keep Phoebe, Jim, and Joe wouldn't steal from a house they had lived in for almost seven years is complete bullshit. I never once bought her crap. She met Freddie when he was nobody and she seems controlling as hell. I could be wrong but she gives me the creeps and even more since she did that. |
Perk 26.04.2019 02:07 |
I also saw where Mary said "I won in the end. He was with me at the end." That is freaking scary behavior and a crazy thing to say. Am I completely wrong about this? There have been a lot of clues in all the "officially validated" (can't think of the write words) books and information on Freddie's life. I got the chills when I read Jim's book and she told him that Freddie should take off his ring. What on Earth why would you say that? Bless Jim at least from what the book says he even proposed the idea to Freddie and he said no! I have one other thing that I'm super confused about. I was reading Ask Phoebe and there is a post that really confuses me. He says that Freddie didn't have any extra teeth in his mouth. Is that a very well spread myth? I didn't believe the Diana thing and the dwarf thing was stupid but I did think that was the case because so many who knew him said so. I just figured maybe he never mentioned it. I can't remember the last time I talked to my best friend about her teeth. I just wonder if Freddie never really mentioned it. Pheobe says he has 32 like the rest of us. Is that true? I mean who talks about their teeth though although Freddie's teeth were his trademark later, but I really want to know if that is a myth or not or if maybe Phoebe just didn't know. Comes out of post where Peter talks about having to go to the dentist and someone asked him about Freddie and the dentist. |
emdee0809 26.04.2019 02:17 |
Sadly, Chevy, the paparazzi, make their living chasing the rich and famous, and if the public buys into it, it will never go away. Everyone should be able to grieve in privacy - terribly disrespectful as you stated. I must confess though, as I wait in the grocery line, I have been known to read those tabloids with their sensationalized headlines. And why? My curiosity gets the best of me. Human nature. And the irony of it all - I don't believe most of what is printed. |
Perk 26.04.2019 02:28 |
There is a great blog I follow through email called Gossip Cop and they take all the Us Weekly's and the Star and the Life and Style's and analyze the stories in them and tell you whether they have any truth at all to them. you should follow it because It's really helpful in sorting the bs from the "truth" |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 02:41 |
Perk, Mary,is a manipulative woman in my opinion.The things she accused others of she is guilty of herself.But one things for certain what she wanted in the end she didnt get and she is alone and old.I think it would've been a healthier relationship if she had not worked for Freddie but I think that she put herself around him too much and that made it hard for her to break free.He got with Jim and she knew he wouldnt be returning to her.so that's why she hated Jim so bad.She thought he would come back to her I think.He passed away she then blames friends and fans. |
Galileo1564 26.04.2019 03:18 |
From ChevyMan a few pages back: Galileo, Gaetan Dugas wasnt he a flight attendant.I think they blamed alot on that guy and it's no more his fault than it is anyone else.This is the way I see things they were dealing with this awful virus that was killing people some in hours of getting to hospitals because they didnt know they were sick.They had to blame someone.So they pin it on gay men which I think was a chicken shit thing to do.By the time they dug their heads out of their ass and figured out what they were dealing with they noticed heterosexual people were getting it as well.So my question is why single one man out or one group of people just because you cant figure out what was truly causing AIDS?I dont get it. Now me talking. (Quote feature doesn’t work on iPad). Yes, Gaetan Dugas was an Air Canada Flight Attendant. I’m not sure who you mean by “they”. There really wasn’t any heads-in-arse thing among the doctors and scientists who treated and studied the early patients. Regan and some in his administration were another matter, as were various officials in France. The funding for the new disease was not in proportion to what other emerging public health issues received. I lived in Canada during that era, where I grew up, but certainly heard the sort of stuff you’re saying from the Moral Majority type of people, so maybe that is what you’re reacting to. In Europe (but not the UK) the first patients identified were heterosexual so over there they never understood the American view that it was a gay disease. And to try to bring this back on topic, I heard somewhere that Freddie hated the stigma. Perhaps Phoebe said that. And I feel for him that he experienced that. I think he loved his doctors though. I certainly got that impression from Phoebe. |
lsg 26.04.2019 03:30 |
SM wrote: Do American men still feel strange around gay people? The whole macho man thing still going strong over there? I ask because here nobody bats an eyelid and some of the nicest folks I've known are gay. But all American movies seem to make those "no homo" jokes and leaves me wondering. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting American humour again lol. I did visit a club with my mate Dan back in the 80's and I was flattered by the attention I received but definitely not my cup of tea admittedly lol. Still there was an undeniable fun atmosphere in the place. Wish I could remember the name. I have a bad habit of flaking out for just a few hours at a time instead of sleeping the full 7 hours. I've tried everything short of drugs to correct it but so far the best method seems to be hot tea and a good book. I check in when I can.Hello SM I have an insomniac friend who swears by a high grade CBD Oil. So much so, that she trusted giving to her mom, who responded well to it. My friend has difficulty staying asleep and a light sleeper. It’s works for her, her mom, and a second friend in LA. However, it has to be measured differently from the next person since we are all different sizes |
lsg 26.04.2019 03:43 |
thundergod wrote: Hey Logan Mews, Although Freddie was proud of his contributions to "Flash Gordon", I don't believe he ever mentioned being attracted to Sam Jones. If you think Sam Jones is attractive and think that I (used) to look like him, thank you very much for the compliment!...LOLHello Thor, So glad that HOA accepted that the plumbing wasn’t your problem. Congrats on that one. On the subject on Sam Jones; I see only a resemblance in coloring. However, I saw a video showing Freddie with friends in the yard at Garden Lodge, and there is a very handsome big blonde in white shorts and white shirt standing there. It looks a lot like you, and just curious.....is it? |
Perk 26.04.2019 03:54 |
Thanks CHEVY I thought so too. I thought she seemed manipulative. Wait is Lee Chevy I'm confused? Where is Lee's posts? I am new to this place sorry..... |
Jo T. 26.04.2019 04:01 |
@Galileo1564, it's interesting you brought up Gaetan Dugas today. I saw on the Canadian news earlier today about a new documentary about him called "Killing Patient Zero." Even though modern science as exonerated him as "Patient Zero," it was convenient and easy for society to scapegoat a dead man, esp. a dead gay man. BTW, I live in the U.S. but close to Canada, so we have access to Canadian news. Thor, what's the latest update on your plumbing and bathroom situation? How does my question related to Freddie? Well, I can make it work. In Phoebe's book, Garden Lodge had outdated plumbing fixtures. How's that? LOL |
Perk 26.04.2019 04:05 |
Anyone know about this extra teeth thing it’s been bugging me for a while since I read it on Peter Freestone’s blog. |
Perk 26.04.2019 05:40 |
Ok wow so I just sat in the parking lot at work for an hour trying to work backwards and read the posts. I barely broke the 200’s. I do want to make an observation. One Freddie is freaking precious. When he’s in the bathtub singing with the bubbles. Omg. Also I wanted to hug him watching 1981 Montreal and him crying during Somebody to Love. I love to see videos of him working. I know Roger Taylor was upset recently because he said that yes he was a great singer and front man but everyone forgets he was a brilliant musician. I guess in hindsight that’s more clear. I know personally that was never even a question the man can keep a beat better than a metronome and I know by watching his performances like how the hell he knows the beat it will end on. I am just not musical really so little things like that are noticeable to me. I also noticed how freaking patient Jim was because you see him just sitting quietly watching Freddie work and not even really acknowledging his presence though you kinda get the feeling he might not have directly acted like it but he knew Jim was there and you can tell it makes him happy? I guess the right word is comfortable. maybe. Also I am not patient enough to walk behind my man and like basically not touch him or hold hands or whatever. Jim did though and I know that wouldn’t be cool for them to do that, but sometimes it’s only that they have on matching clothes that makes it known, or whatever but still it looks hard just watching it. I’m just not a person who can be ignored by the person I love for too long. I’d have to have a kiss or two in the dressing room or I’d get a complex. Jim was an awesomely cool guy and Freddie was smart to pick him and he apparently knew it from what Thor said about the Gardner and husband or whatever. Having to hide your love sucks and I live in the extremely stupid Deep South of the USA and I know for a fact that there are those who are homophobic still just as bad as they were back then. I’ve always been of the thinking love is love I’m heterosexual and my relationships are sparse to say the least. So I don’t begrudge anyone else finding love I don’t care if it’s male female or cat. Lol. The ideas people have about sexuality are irrelevant I like Freddie as a musician and a person he seems super fun and were I not 9 when he died I would’ve loved to see him perform. That’s why all this Jim hate is so frustrating because Mercury and Me is a beautiful love story. It’s an amazing book and I love reading about Freddie being happy and some of the funny stuff that he and Jim went through and it’s so obvious how much Jim loves him that book is nothing but respectful and beautiful yes the journalist who helped him write it may have taken a few liberties but I doubt many. Jim was protective of Freddie and I am sure he would have read it before it was printed and got to edit it. I read recently that had he used a journalist that Freddie trusted it might be taken easier. David Wigg said he would have liked to have done it but he APPARENTLY was talking to Mary Austin about a book with her so we can see why Jim might not have picked him. Hmm Mary a book interesting Jim haters. Though I think David Wigg is a fun guy when he doesn’t have on his reporters hat. When he has his Freddie friend hat he’s fun. Freddie says that he cloaks himself in this guise on stage but you can tell what a sweet guy he is. Why anyone would think he’s an ogre (his words) they must’ve not watched his concerts. I can tell what an awesome guy he is and I’m watching him on TV. THOR I was watching Freddie’s Loves the other day and I was trying hard to picture you with a mustache it didn’t happen. Lol. I don’t know if they showed a picture of you guys if they did it was for like seconds. They showed a ton of pictures of Bill Reid the crazy coke head. But there was like 15 seconds of others. Except Vince they must’ve liked him they do focus a lot on him. Sorry I’m so pathetic but I’m just so excited to talk to someone who idk actually knew the man as I would’ve loved to be his friend. Not like it was possible even to see him in concert. Anyway sorry everyone I kinda got off on a little story time I guess. Carry on. |
doughnut 26.04.2019 07:30 |
Morning all . Have a good day |
FreddieDarling 26.04.2019 08:05 |
Welcome , Perk. You have some very interesting things to say and observe on. I agree that Jim seemed a truly genuine, amazingly patient man who was dropped into an enormous life change and coped incredibly well. He was very very good for Freddie and I think that anyone who cares about Freddie is thankful he was there for Freddie in his last 7 years. They were a good couple. Re the teeth thing. Perhaps Mick Rock was, erroneously temporarily thinking of Freddie's supernumerary "wisdom" teeth as being four extra teeth (most of us have these extra teeth errupt from late teens onwards, a throwback to when our diet was, for mechanical reasons rather that sugar-induced caries , i.e. chewing on grains, vegetation, bones etc. wearing to our teeth and thus we needed a few more grinders to masticate. (BTW is anyone else, I know Blenkolove is, infuriated by the Bo Rhap film referencing extra "incisors"? God's sake, Roger was a dental students! You'd think he'd have told them that incisors are NOT back teeth! Four extra incisors and we'd all have bloody seen them!) Initially in each quadrant of the mouth are with the exception of canines, 2 of each type of teeth, then when the *wisdom" teeth errupt there are suddely 3 molars each side. Mind you, I'm sure even if he'd have had teeth removed, extra teeth or not, unless it was at a much younger age, radical orthodontistry would also have been required to align his teeth perfectly. I love Freddie's teeth. They looked very healthy to me, and I think he had the most charming smile. Regarding Mary, I am a bit disturbed by the preponderance of Mary -bashing that sometimes errupts here. I think to label anyone sociopathic (unless you are a psychologist and have thoroughly examined and evaluated the person in question personally, is coming it a bit strong and we should avoid such sweeping statements. Freddie clearly adored her and I don't think he'd be terribly happy to hear people who supposedly admire and respect him speaking in such a way about a person who he held so dear. Perhaps it should be a case of "if you don't have anything nice to say........" You know the rest. Hope I haven't offended anybody, but I just feel uncomfortable with strong words and labels being directed at people. A saint she's not, but for all her seemingly peculiar behaviours, I don't see her as a villain either. I do feel that certain official business machinations have directed some if her seemingly off hand behaviours. Well that all got a but serious! Sorry. Hope I haven't got on too many nerves with my statements. I'm off to go and make Little Freddie a cup of Earl Grey now! He insists on a cup at 9 am precisely! :-) Bye Bye , Peeps |
Tammienorrie 26.04.2019 08:06 |
@Saint: It's been brave of you to come out with that revelation, admitting there is a problem is the first step to find a solution. I am a veterinary behaviourist and a strong believer in low level exposure to cure phobias. You should definitely see a human practitioner too, but I think that sticking around here and trying to make more LGBTQ friends/discuss LGBTQ topics set you on the right path to sort your problem. Best of luck! |
mika251 26.04.2019 08:33 |
FreddieDarling, Well said. Agree with you completely. |
Tammienorrie 26.04.2019 08:40 |
I hate not being able to edit. I thought for a bit if I should have posted it as a pm but then went for public and now I changed my mind again... oh, well. I guess it can be helpful information for others too. There was a few things I've been wanting to talk about for a while but I didn't want to drop them out of context, but a few posts lately put them back to the front of my mind. 1. SM mentioned the different behavior of the people around Freddie and said something like Joe didn't look like he gave himself time to grieve Freddie, but was instead full of anger towards Mary. I get what SM was trying to convey, but the thing is that anger and focusing on it is quite a typical grieving behavior. As I'm sure Thor and the other health workers here know well, quite often the care team is a scapegoat for the angry family when a patient pass away. I am myself someone that gets furiously angry when a loved one pass. It is often, in my case at least, a reaction to guilt for not being able to be a better advocate for my loved ones or not being able to direct or choose a better caring team. I think it likely that both Joe and Mary were experiencing some level of this grieving process. It obviously got out of hand with all its consequences, but I often wonder if things could have gone differently if they accessed proper counseling instead of trying to work it out for themselves. |
SM 26.04.2019 09:34 |
Sorry but that's also not true. If you go back to my first few posts here you'll notice where I said I asked Joe if Mary had been grieving as that could perhaps be the reason behind her behavior and he said no, that she had always been that way. Something Jim also confirmed. I'm sorry but this is not a case of someone being misrepresented or simply grieving or struggling to deal with her emotions. This woman was apparently unpleasant throughout Mr Mercury's life, not just during his death. It always throws me for a loop when people who have never met Ms Austin make excuses for her or try to sidestep her actions. I don't know how many people who knew her have to say she was cold and possessive before it gets through to everyone but there you go. I asked Joe why Mr Mercury was so close to her if he was gay and she behaved the way she did and he said Mr Mercury was terribly guilty over her. I don't know the details but apparently he had made many promises to her and her parents (who happened to be deaf and poor) before he became famous she never let him forget that. Let's try to remember there is more to every story than just what you see in the press or in a book. |
FreddieDarling 26.04.2019 10:18 |
I am not defending Ms. Austin. I have heard good and bad reports of her, too. But, I feel that is isn't right to label a person with a serious behavioural disorder such as sociopathy so lightly. A bit more balance and a little less bias makes for more harmony, I feel. There, I'm climbing off the soap box again. :-) |
SM 26.04.2019 10:28 |
As far as I know she has never been labelled as a sociopath by a medical professional. Yes that may be a bit steep. Not sure who it was that said that but I understand their upset. |
Tammienorrie 26.04.2019 10:35 |
Mary wasn't the one I was trying to defend. I just felt like it was unfair to use my reasons to Joe and not admit the possibility that they were at least partially true for her too. |
FreddieDarling 26.04.2019 10:43 |
Hi SM, No, it wa not a medical professional, (as far as I am aware) it was a thread member who suggested it. As I say I have heard reports about Mary Austin which have not sat comfortably with me, but none of us know her well enough to even attempt a diagnosis of any sort regarding her psychological state. I'm no believer in Mary as a saintly figure, believe me, I just don't like serious accusations about _anybody_ being bandied about willy-nilly. I meant no offence to the thread member who made this comment, but wanted to express my discomfort at statements such as this. I hope I haven't offended anyone. That is never my intention, and I have in the past steered clear of these discussions, but this time, I piped up. Hope we all have a great day (it's cool and overcast here in England!) TTFN |
SM 26.04.2019 10:52 |
Ms Austin was apparently always like that. Behaviour like hers that went on for years at a time is not grieving unfortunately. And according to I believe they said Mr John Reid, Ms Austin wasn't weeping at the funeral service but smiling and announcing that she won in the end. Scary stuff. People handle grief in different ways no doubt but I'm not convinced her actions or attitude was from losing Mr Mercury. She certainly wasn't kind or even polite to me. I've known people who have lost a great love and still manage to not seem a cold you know what to strangers. The difference here is something I saw firsthand. Cameras. When the cameras were on her there was sniffling and sad eyes. Hand shakes and warm gestures. When the cameras were off she was stone faced and rude. Not zoned out or emotionally unstable. Just plain rude. My "Hello ma'am, good morning" was almost always met with a grunt or more often, nothing at all. I wasn't close to her by any means but common sense tells one to acknowledge people when they try to offer a kind word. She never bothered to learn our names but had no problem barking orders at us as to who was allowed in and when. Most of the time the orders came from Mr Beach but she would speak "to" us from time to time. Never making eye contact or bothering to respond when we asked questions. Sorry but she had the essence of a real spoilt child in my opinion. I never got the feeling she was sad or depressed. She always just appeared to be permanently annoyed. |
FreddieDarling 26.04.2019 10:53 |
@emdee. Thank you for your words about my lovely Little For! :-) He is a work of art, literally and I'm going to treasure him. I paid a princely sum for him, but still a lot cheaper than many are being sold at now. Since the movie Queen related merchandise prices have gone crazy! Thanks to everyone for being happy for my new adoption! :-) |
SM 26.04.2019 10:53 |
I dont think you've offended anyone here |
SM 26.04.2019 10:56 |
I'm not a doctor myself but going by what little I know about mental issues I do not believe she would qualify for that either. I don't see her as a case of mental instability but of extreme entitlement. |
Tammienorrie 26.04.2019 11:02 |
QZ keeps eating the second part of my post. A shame really because Shawn would understand with it that opening that particular can of worms was the opposite I wanted to do. |
back.chat 26.04.2019 11:09 |
SM: Thank you for confirming the impression I already had of Mary Austin. Must have been difficult working under such circumstances. |
FreddieDarling 26.04.2019 11:14 |
SM , as I say I'm in no way defending her or her behaviour and I too have heard reports I don't like, I only try to deflect accusations of labels such as sociopathy, as I would with anyone else who had this label directed at them without diagnosis. No offence intended, and I agree she does sound, from your reports to have displayed a rather cold, impersonal, and even rude manner, which is a behaviour I dislike.intensely. I feel great empathy and sympathy for the male residents of Garden Lodge after Freddie passed away. They seem to have been pushed around like livestock. They should have been protected and cherished for all their devotion to Freddie, and I'm afraid that just didn't happen. The Queen Machine seemed to want to reinvent Freddie to suit their preferred image of a straight man in a stable heterosexual relationship, instead of accepting and celebrating the wonderfully complex GAY man in a stable homosexual relationship which he was. Bigotry of any kind is a shameful thing and a complete anathema to me, and even now that attitude continues to a slightly lesser extent. Very sad and disappointing Hope we can move on now. As I say I'm not a big fan of Ms. Austin In was just uncomfortable with that label. Kind Regards to everyone FD |
Tammienorrie 26.04.2019 11:16 |
I'll try to paraphrase it one last time: Even if I believe Freddie's friends when they state he didn't believe in same sex marriage, I believe he would have been very successful in maintaining a lifelong relationship. The fact that he tried to keep his most cherished boyfriends around proves that he appreciated the value of a long term relationship beyond the honeymoon phase. Passion comes and goes, but he still wanted David (he failed at keeping him, but that's not the point), Joe and Jim around, and even if it never really happened, I'm going to add our Thor in it because the initial spark was apparently not a "let's become best friends" one. He could accept relationships as a living ever changing thing and that's something a lot of couples struggle at. |
SM 26.04.2019 11:34 |
Freddie darling and as I say, I agree with you. Nobody is offended. |
SM 26.04.2019 11:40 |
Jim mentioned once that he would have liked to have married Mr Mercury and that Mr Mercury did tell him if this had been another lifetime they would have. I think that may have had more to do with Mr Mercury's family career and Ms Austin than any law but I'm only speculating. Jim said it didn't matter much anyway as Mr Mercury only ever addressed Jim as his husband and they lived like a married couple. Joe also agreed Mr Mercury seemed happy in his final days with Jim by his side. I think he was happy with all of the Garden Lodge men by his side. There's something to be said about loyalty and he certainly had that with them. |
FreddieDarling 26.04.2019 11:40 |
SM , thank you! I appreciate that from someone I've come to respect! :-) |
mika251 26.04.2019 12:05 |
SM thank you very much for your insight, it is completely different to hear something like this from somebody who knows her personally. I very much appreciate that you have shared your ecperience with us. |
rennsage 26.04.2019 12:15 |
Someday I'll figure out how to add a quote from a previous post, but regarding John Reid and whether or not Mary was sad at the funeral... John Reid was not at the funeral. He doesn't specify what year Mary said, "I won in the end" but it definitely wasn't at the funeral, and may very well have been some years afterward. The quote is something he told authors of the 2000 book "Somebody to Love": "Perhaps a comment given to the authors by John Reid might shed a bit more light on this sorry affair [speaking of the happenings at Garden Lodge after Freddie's death] : "I didn't go to the funeral," Reid said. "I saw Mary a couple of times. I bump into her now and again. She said the strangest thing to me; she said as I was trying to comfort her, because she'd been through a lot and seen a lot, and she said to me, "Well, I won in the end, didn't I? He was with me at the end." That was a bit scary" |
RussiaLand 26.04.2019 12:19 |
> John Murphy passed away LONG BEFORE Freddie had > succumbed to this dreadful disease. Yes, I know that. And that's what Paul Prenter said as well. He meant that John was at Garden Lodge in 1986 a few weeks before his own (John's) death, not Freddie's death. Prenter said John died on November 11, 1986. That means, according to Paul, John was visiting Freddie sometime during the autumn of 1986. @Thor, I understand it is not pleasant for you to read Paul's interview (and as I understand, you haven't read it by the link I gave, but that's ok). On the other hand, I hope you understand that I treat such materials as historical documents worthy of studying. Regardless of Paul's morals, these are his words and it's useful to know what he said. I personally don't know why he would lie about John's visit to Garden Lodge in 1986, it's not some shameful information to print it in a newspaper just for the sake of shocking people. You mentioned you didn't see much of John during that time, so probably it's not that Paul is lying about this visit but just that John continued to see Freddie which you were not aware of... Again, I don't see anything shameful here, in this particular case. |
emdee0809 26.04.2019 12:23 |
Good morning everyone - at least it is morning here. Going to get off a quick post before work since the conversation about Mary is one that fascinates me. SM - after reading everything you have said - is it your belief that there were two different Marys - the Mary before Freddie's death and the Mary after? If so, do you feel everyone tolerated her because of Freddie? In your opinion, was there anyone at Garden Lodge who could honestly say they liked or respected her? Lastly, I do admire your reference to Freddie as Mr. Mercury - I feel guilty when I use his name. What deep respect that shows for this man from you. Have a good day everyone!! Happy Friday. |
rennsage 26.04.2019 12:23 |
To further beat this dead horse, sorry one more point about Mary. Just from that quote, and many other things people have said, Mary seemed to be very possessive of Freddie and wanted him to herself. Whether that's love or obsession, I'm not going to hazard a guess. But it's clear that two things can be true: 1) that she loved being around Freddie and 2) that she disliked many of the other people around Freddie (because she saw them as rivals). That dichotomy might explain why we get very different impressions of Mary from different people. On the one side are those who say how wonderful she was and how devoted she was to Freddie. And on the other side are those who say how cold and bitchy she was. I think both claims could have some truth to them. |
Dustin Zimmerman 26.04.2019 12:23 |
Reid wasn't at the funeral but that quote of his came long before that garbage book came out. It was in another book and in an article as early as 2000. It's one of the many reasons Beach wanted nothing to do with Reid after that. Anything that shows Mary in a truthful light hurts his agenda to cash in on the Freddie n' Mary money cow. |
Dustin Zimmerman 26.04.2019 12:29 |
Ok but look at who all is claiming Mary was sweet and kind etc. Mick Rock who only saw them when they were still a couple and Freddie was closeted during photo shoots and public events he was hired to photograph. Don't be fooled by all his interviews. There are no photos of him hanging out with Freddie post 77ish. Brian May who benefits financially from the Freddie and Mary lie (and admits he has no idea what happened inside GL)and David Wigg who only saw what she told him. I've seen no intervews with Peter Freestone or anyone else who saw Mary's true colors from Wigg. Leads me to believe he just doesn't see the other side of it. So when you think about it....is there actually any trusted source who praises her for her live and devotion to Freddie? |
rennsage 26.04.2019 12:29 |
Dustin, sorry, you're right. I meant the quote from Reid was reported in 2000 ( and the authors of the book say it was said to them). The book was published later. So the Mary quote was probably from anywhere between Freddie's death and the late 90s. |
rennsage 26.04.2019 12:32 |
Dustin, I don't think one can completely discount what Freddie said about her and how he acted around her. He did seem to care about her. I don't see just "guilt" over not marrying her in 1975 as being a reason for all of that. |
SM 26.04.2019 12:40 |
Emcee no from what I was told by Jim and Joe there was no difference between her before and after his death. If anything there was just less need for her to keep in contact with certain people. Someone on here a few pages back mentioned Mr Mercurys mother admitting Ms Austin stopped all contact with her. Why if you really cared about this person...would you then stop communicating with his family who apparently liked you a great deal? You really can't claim it was grief keeping her away when that interview with Mr Mercury's mum was taken some 20 plus years after his death. Seems to me she got what she wanted and no longer felt a need to keep up an act. But again I wasn't close to her. I'm just piecing together what I know and what I saw. As far as the men of the garden lodge tolerating her yes. Without saying too much nobody from the garden lodge was a fan of hers. That included the maids and cleaners who didn't live there. I don't wish to speak for anyone or cross a line but let's just say Ms Austin was a part of Mr Mercury's life that all of them understood was something they just had to live with. Joe was the most vocal about it. Jim was frustrated but kept it bottled up. Mr Freestome was stone faced up to a certain point and then it seemed to bubble over but no...none of them would have picked her to be a part of their lives. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 12:40 |
Sm, well said I feel the same way you do.She is a manipulative woman.I said nothing about a sociapath.But anyone that holds on to a person for all of those years and doesnt want them to go on without her isn't a normal friendship behavior.She was always in his face it seems phoebe I believe said her attachment wasnt a healthy one.Noone that is well does that.noone holds on to a promise that they will leave you everything they have when they die when you are in your youth but she didnt let him forget.I totally get it and that's why I get alot of negative feedback from some followers.Everyone feels sorry for her. |
Dustin Zimmerman 26.04.2019 12:48 |
Yeah I get what you mean but remember this: all the romantic and sweet things Freddie said about her were always said in interviews for the press. I can't recall one private conversation that was reported back from a trusted source that said Freddie felt this way toward Mary. Even Mary herself said in her own interview "I didn't know how he felt about me because he never told me. I found out how he felt about me through his interviews." I'm sorry what? Lol. The man that supposedly loved her like no other also didn't mention that to her at all? He only brought this up in interviews meant for the public? Sorry but I don't but any weight at all into what Freddie said about her in interviews. He also said he would have a child once he "found the right girl" in the same interveiw where he gushed over Mary lol. I've seen no letters no unedited audio, nothing that leads me to believe Freddie felt that way about her. Meanwhile you have Freddie gushing over Jim both on paper and on audio and he went out of his way to make sure Wigg didn't print that he was talking about a man when he said he found the niche he'd been looking for all his life (so you know it wasn't just his fake Mary banter again) but he was referring to Jim. That relationship according to Freestone and others was based on guilt. I don't believe for a second that Freddie willingly kept her attached at the hip because he enjoyed her company and felt a deep bond with her. Hell he went years living in different countries from her and never lost a moment's sleep lol. |
Tammienorrie 26.04.2019 12:51 |
@SM thank you for reporting Jim's thought about marriage. As I said I think Freddie would have been a good husband had he lived longer, he just didn't have much time to enjoy his settled down status, but I believe Jim, Joe and Phoebe (plus human and feline additions) would have been his forever family long into his old age if fate hadn't hit them so hard. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 12:59 |
Freddy darling, That was me that said she was a sociapath.I thought you were referring to recent activity.I modified my behavior on this thread so when approaching this subject matter it wouldnt offend anyone.But I'm gonna have to say what she has done isn't normal at all.Take from it what you want.stop making excuses for her.Noone made them for Freddie .If I were the poor guy I would've stayed away from London as much as possible.She was always like a bit of a leech .She was what she accused his friends of.Even Brian defends her and she talks terrible about them saying they are jealous of her.What is there to be jealous of.I see a woman that could have had a happy life instead she held on to a man that couldnt provide that for her.Now she is old and alone bitter and those years havent been kind to her it shows.Things could have been so different for both of them without the guilt that was put there. |
mika251 26.04.2019 13:00 |
CHEVYMAN I pity her too, because I don't think she has a very happy life. I think she hoped Freddie would one day decide to settle down and marry and have kids (like Elton John) and she wanted to stay around fot this case. It never happened and she became bitter. And she was always unfriendly to his gay friends because in her eyes they were the reason he wasn't with her. It is not healthy and it is not right but some tiny part of my personality understands her behaviour. Remember she had her first child in her 40's, she got pregnant after he was diagnosed - I would say that was for her the clear indication there is no hope she will have kinds with him one day and she decided to have them with somebody else. But she waited and hoped for it the whole time until 1987. I'm pretty sure she is not a very happy woman with all the money and big house. She didn't won at the end. EDIT: Oh, I see you have written something very similar at the same time :) |
RussiaLand 26.04.2019 13:00 |
> Jim was protective of Freddie and I am sure he would > have read it before it was printed and got to edit it. @Perk, I can't say if Jim had read the book before it was printed, but Jim certainly didn't edit anything, according to Tim Wapshott (the journalist who helped Jim write the book). Interviewer: How involved was Jim in the editing process? Tim Wapshott: Not at all. Jim was not a writer. You can read the whole interview with Tim Wapshott here (first you will see a Russian translation, but scroll down and you will see the English original): link |
rennsage 26.04.2019 13:01 |
Dustin, I totally get what you're saying. I just believe there was *something* there more than just guilt and obligation. If that were the case, I think there would have been more resentment evident on Freddie's part (who wouldn't resent someone you're just keeping around due to guilt and obligation?) and I haven't seen evidence of resentment. No, I don't think he was in love with her. I don't think she was the kind of person he liked to hang around and have fun with (she strikes me as kind of dull). I think there was some guilt and obligation involved. But I also think there was some genuine caring and that he maybe saw her as a kind of sister or supportive relative. Not someone you have to spend every moment with, and one you can go a long time without seeing, but still like to know is there for you. I'm fascinated with this subject because it's the one relationship of Freddie's I truly have a hard time getting a handle on. I do think the above is what I see from Freddie's side. I have a hard time getting a grip on what Mary's side was. I think she cared about him but I also think she had an unhealthy obsession. She never really moved on and built a life for herself after they broke up as a couple. His life became her life and that's unhealthy, and probably led to some strange behavior on her part. |
Dustin Zimmerman 26.04.2019 13:07 |
Ren, exactly I feel the same way about the Mary subject. It's a really interesting part of his life and it's impossible to ignore since QP want so desperately to shove the false narrative down our throats. |
RussiaLand 26.04.2019 13:59 |
> Anyone know about this extra teeth thing it’s been bugging > me for a while since I read it on Peter Freestone’s blog. @Perk, I don't really know, I have read different accounts about this and they haven't made it clear to me. I personally can see that his upper teeth are just big and he had an overbite. As for his lower teeth, we can't see them clearly, but here is a still from a video, you can see that his canines (?) protrude. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 14:19 |
Dustin, Finally somebody that agrees with me.It also makes me wonder why they never included Freddie's very early college girlfriend of one year Rosemary Pearson to me that would be a crucial person to his early years just as important as Mary if not more.It would clearly be proof that he was gay she broke things off because of it and moved on.But hell no they didnt include her in their story plot.I have respect for her because even if she didnt want too she let him go.She knew he would eventually leave her to explore with who he was inside and she gave him up so he could do this. |
doughnut 26.04.2019 14:46 |
Dustin, I totally get what you're saying. I just believe there was *something* there more than just guilt and obligation. If that were the case, I think there would have been more resentment evident on Freddie's part (who wouldn't resent someone you're just keeping around due to guilt and obligation?) and I haven't seen evidence of resentment. No, I don't think he was in love with her. I don't think she was the kind of person he liked to hang around and have fun with (she strikes me as kind of dull). I think there was some guilt and obligation involved. But I also think there was some genuine caring and that he maybe saw her as a kind of sister or supportive relative. Not someone you have to spend every moment with, and one you can go a long time without seeing, but still like to know is there for you. I'm fascinated with this subject because it's the one relationship of Freddie's I truly have a hard time getting a handle on. I do think the above is what I see from Freddie's side. I have a hard time getting a grip on what Mary's side was. I think she cared about him but I also think she had an unhealthy obsession. She never really moved on and built a life for herself after they broke up as a couple. His life became her life and that's unhealthy, and probably led to some strange behavior on her part. Rensage I agree with all you have said above. We can't ignore the fact that Freddie clearly adored Mary although those around him daily, Peter, Joe etc etc could see a different part of her personality . I'm pretty sure that in Peter's book he said that sometimes Freddie couldn't always see a persons faults or choose not to see them and maybe this is the case with Mary. For me, Peter sums up Mary pretty well in his book . He said that the friendship from his point of view was based on guilt on Freddie's part and that I firmly believe. Don't forgot he was with Mary for a long time before they had that conversation. No doubt her heart was broken as she thought she would spend her life with him , marry him and probably have children. That must have weighed heavy on Freddie's mind. To me I have found that Freddie wanted to keep her in his life, he bought her a flat nearby and gave her a job at Goose Productions. In doing this I don't think either of them realized the effect this would have on their lives. The 'I won in the end' I just don't get as I can't see what she has won. Money doesn't make for a happy life in her case and her relationships didn't last. As far as we know she is alone now. I wonder if she had her own friends outside of Freddie? It's all very complicated and something we will never get to the bottom off. I am glad that Jim lived happily with Freddie. I feel Freddie was very lucky to have found a man like Jim . I can tell what a good person he was just from your comments Shaun. I also like how he became friends with many fans, that shows he cared. This is clearly not something that Mary did. Shaun I just have one thing to ask if ok as it has been on my mind In Jim's book in mentions the serious row they had in 1990 in which he was asked by Joe and then mary to move out. Peter said in his book that there were always people around willing to whisper things to Freddie to get close to him and score points, did Jim ever mention this to you. He says in his book how hurt he was that the people in Garden Lodge seemed to want him gone. I wonder if they had a row , which couples do, and perhaps Mary or someone else began painting Jim in a bad light encouraging Freddie to end the relationship. |
SM 26.04.2019 15:25 |
Jim didn't mention it but Joe did. As I've said before Joe was very vocal about the issues he saw in the garden lodge and he did say it took him a long time to see Jim as something more than just another bloke Mr Mercury was dating. He said it wasn't until he saw Jim taking care of Mr Mercury at the end of his life that he understood what they meant to each other. I have to imagine before that point Jim was probably just another guy taking up room in their lives and as I've mentioned before, none of them seemed to have anything at all in common outside of Mr Mercury so I don't see Joe fighting to keep Jim in the home during those fights. Joe said there was a certain someone who did insist to Mr Mercury that Jim was disposable though. During those times of fighting and arguing as normal couples do they had the added stress of another force outside of the garden lodge telling Mr Mercury Jim was not needed. Who that was I will not say but it's not hard to guess. |
doughnut 26.04.2019 15:53 |
that's interesting , thank you. Seems to me that Jim put up with an awful lot in his time with Freddie but looking at Freddie's history with men , I guess it's to be expected that they thought he would come and go like the others. I was left with a similar feeling from Peter after reading his book although give him his due, he did say that after visiting Jim in his new home 'it was proof to me, if proof was needed, that Jim and Freddie had enjoyed a unique relationship ' I find it so weird that in all the time Jim lived there, they never knew this. It is all very strange and I feel for Jim as it appears Freddie did all the chasing to start with. Did he ever mention Winnie? that made me so cross . I felt it so angry that Jim was used to make Winnie jealous. I shouldn't say this but part of me almost wishes Jim hadn't met Freddie as I'm sure his life would have been a lot more simple. |
thundergod 26.04.2019 16:16 |
FreddieDarling, Shaun was there, you were not. Please, let the man talk of his impressions of her without him having to feel badly about what he observed. And, here we go again about Mary. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 16:18 |
Doughnut,that would upset me too if I were Jim.But in the end Freddie I think just wanted to see If Jim was serious about him.Jim won in the end and it looks like he got his man.He had to jump through some hoops but he finally got Freddie to settle.I just hate that settling came too late and Freddie lost his life. |
thundergod 26.04.2019 16:23 |
Russialand, John Murphy was NEVER at Garden Lodge. Only Lee and I were.as of 1986. You can trust me on that. |
mika251 26.04.2019 16:23 |
doughnut "I won at the end" - I would say, she refers to the public opinion and the fact that she was considered to be love of his life - even today it is widely believed and in those days, it was an undeniable fact. I have read some articles released after Freddies passing and there was no single word about any man living in Garden Lodge. Mary was with Freddie in his last moments and she lived with him in GL. She was "the widow" and everybody pitied her. So even it wasn't true in reality, in the eyes of everybody else except for Freddie's inner circle, her dream became true. Until Mercury and Me was released. I would really like to know, what Dave Clark thinks about her. They seemed to be friends. |
doughnut 26.04.2019 16:24 |
Thor don't worry it's been quite a civilised talk about Mary....makes a chance. She is of much interest to us so she keeps popping up lol How are you, what have you been up to ? How is the book publishing coming along ? |
doughnut 26.04.2019 16:24 |
change not chance |
doughnut 26.04.2019 16:31 |
RE Dave Clark...I find him very odd ......but I did see a video on youtube some fans posted. They asked him what he thought about Queen carrying on with (oh dear I've forgotten his name....seriously what is wrong with me lol ) . He replied 'I think there is no queen without Freddie and they should have stopped like John did. I imagine Dave and Mary are friends |
SM 26.04.2019 16:44 |
Oops didn't mean to go down that rabbit hole Mr Thor my apologies. The topic of Ms Austin must be exhausted by now. I am currently trying to find a way to cast Instagram to my television so that I can enjoy your chat on the big screen when time comes. Looks like I have to download a third party app to do it. YouTube will let me cast it directly to my TV though. No matter the screen size you've got a friend in England tuning in with a lager in hand! |
thundergod 26.04.2019 16:56 |
Thanks Shaun, Unfortunately, my observations are quite similar to yours regarding M.A. However, the same supporters seem to always come to her defense despite the fact they did not know her. In their defense of her, they tend to always say they are not defending her. it can be quite frustrating and I, personally, always feel like I am offending someone! |
doughnut 26.04.2019 17:06 |
Shaun can you do it via bluetooth ? otherwise I had no idea you could get instagram on the TV lol . Shaun where in the uk are you....don't worry I won't come and stalk you lol. I am in Essex Thor how's things ? |
thundergod 26.04.2019 17:09 |
doughnut, Things are looking up. Thank you. Wish more publishers would agree with that...LOL |
doughnut 26.04.2019 17:14 |
glad to hear it. Did you know that Rudi who did videos etc etc for Queen and Freddie has a book coming out in June. This is the blurb There's been a lot said and written about Freddie Mercury. But what has never been there before is a book from the so-called inner circle, that small circle of friends and colleagues who really got to know the man Freddie Mercury, not just the Queen singer and superstar. Rudi Dolezal belonged to this inner circle. The multi-award-winning video and film director was not only the personal filmmaker of Freddie Mercury & Queen for over twenty years, but also one of his best friends. Now, more than 25 years after Mercury's tragic death, Dolezal has picked up his diaries and recalls his very personal story with the world star: from that moment on, as he, a young editor, sweats his hands on the first interview prepared with the singer, until the shocking phone call in which Mercury's manager told him about his death. For decades, Dolezal had been there where no journalist would ever have come: backstage at countless video shoots, concerts, and travel, but most of all private moments. This book is not a complete biography, says Rudi Dolezal, but tells stories, experiences, adventures that I experienced during many years as a director and friend with Freddie and I have not told anyone until today. And there's a lot to tell: from crazy parties where dwarfs were baked into chocolate cake, from the night a whole nightclub was redecorated for Freddie's 200,000 DM, from legendary concerts like the one in Rio de Janeiro, Freddie's in front of 600,000 spectators, |
FreddieDarling 26.04.2019 17:20 |
OK I don't want to sound heavy handed, but I have been in the last page accused of two things which I am NOT guilty of. 1. I have NOT at any point defended Mary Austin's behaviour in any manner. Check back on my posts if you care to. I simply do not like serious psychological illnesses being labelled upon anybody. I didn't say that I feel that reports of Ms. Austin's behaviour was acceptable or excusable,to me or anybody else. It wasn't even CHEVYMAN'S post I was referencing when pointing out my dislike of sociopathy been mooted as a cause for certain unsociable behaviours been displayed by Ms. Austin. 2. I have at NO point disputed anything SM has had to say about any of his observations whilst working within the perimeters of Garden Lodge. I seem to have opened a can of worms by expressing my dislike of words like "sociopath" being used on people, for which I apologise, but I want to make it clear that I am not guilty of EITHER of the point above and it ruffles my feathers to be accused of either. I can take been chastised for acts I am culpable for but not for those which I am not. Hope this can be dropped now. |
thundergod 26.04.2019 17:22 |
Oh Brother, I never met this Rudi person. He was never mentioned and was never around in New York. That time period belongs to me, Lee, Freddie and Phoebe. Good luck to him. |
SM 26.04.2019 17:22 |
Birmingham doughnut Mr Thor you're too kind a gent to hurt anyone's feelings here. Especially with you writing this book it's important for you to never back down when it comes to speaking the truth. Don't ever feel badly for being honest. |
thundergod 26.04.2019 17:23 |
FreddieDarling, Consider it dropped. |
Dustin Zimmerman 26.04.2019 17:27 |
Lol sorry but why the hell is Rudi coming out with a book? I mean I hope it's an honest one but I have to be real here, he was never mentioned by Freestone as being in the inner circle. He was a friend and he worked with Freddie but close pals? No...? |
thundergod 26.04.2019 17:29 |
I guess "authors" are coming out of the woodwork...lol |
mika251 26.04.2019 17:37 |
Dustin Funny isn't it? There has never been any book from inner circle ... Peter and Jim never existed apparently. But let's give him a chance. There could be some good stories from working life. |
SM 26.04.2019 17:39 |
Come now Mr Thor was only being honest to how he felt and things he's seen. There's no need for the upset. Like he said it's dropped. I do not know of any Rudy and he was not someone Jim or Joe mentioned that I can recall. I find it very odd that publishers are going for someone few have heard of and not going for a book made by 2 truly close friends. I'll be honest I don't remember Jim speaking about either of you by name but he did talk about Mr Mercury's friends from New York and some of the adventures Mr Mercury got up to with you. I can only assume Mr Mercury told Jim these things because you guys were in the inner circle and meant a great deal to him. Can't say I ever remember him talking about a Rudy although he just may not have come up in conversation. Although having read about your first interaction with Mr Mercury and knowing how Jim felt about Mr M's ex in Germany Winifred I wonder if he knew you two originally met as potential lovers. Maybe I'm asking something too personal but Jim always spoke about the New York guys in a positive way. I wonder if he knew the thundergod with muscles once caught Mr M's eye lol. |
thundergod 26.04.2019 17:42 |
Ooooh Mika, seriously? |
thundergod 26.04.2019 17:46 |
No,no, I was NEVER a love interest of Freddie's. I just became a good friend and thjen my three other good mates (friends) also became mates! |
mika251 26.04.2019 17:59 |
Thor This inner circle notice is from the book anotation by the publisher. I really hope Rudi is wise enough not to claim such a crap. The truth is he worked quite closely with Queen from 1985 until the end. And he was one of those who new the truth about F. illness. But to describe him as an "inner circle friend" is a big overestimation. |
Tammienorrie 26.04.2019 18:04 |
@Thor I'm sorry I seem to have misinterpreted again, I thought he picked you up at a club because there was some kind of attraction. There must have been more alcohol involved than I at first understood. :) |
doughnut 26.04.2019 18:10 |
Thor seeing you in the Garden Lodge video in the garden you don't seem to fit Freddie's type (Bert Reynolds ) ..... I too thought that about the 'inner circle' what rubbish ! |
doughnut 26.04.2019 18:19 |
Shaun....Mr Thundergod with muscles .....I love this :) |
thundergod 26.04.2019 19:27 |
You are correct TammieNorie, But after 48 hours, we were much better suited to be friends than anything else. |
thundergod 26.04.2019 19:30 |
Speaking of Norrie, Does anyone know what has become of this thread's friend Norrie? She has been absent for way too long. I hope she is ok. |
emdee0809 26.04.2019 19:41 |
How dare work gets in the way of this forum!! I checked in before work to comment and I come home and find myself 4 pages behind! I agree with so many of you, the Mary issue will always be a hot button topic. I trust those with first-hand experiences with her - and from those, I will form my own opinion. The most shocking was the new book from someone from "an inner circle". Really - how absurd!! Thor - hang in there - we got your back!! |
Dustin Zimmerman 26.04.2019 19:46 |
Thor 48 hours? Having seen the Freddie's loves thing and your original thread you said you guys had one night together and it was unsuccessful. This was actually something I've been meaning to ask you because a whioe back I noticed you went from saying 1 night to 2 nights. Am I missing something or misunderstand you on Freddie's loves and the first thread maybe? |
thundergod 26.04.2019 19:58 |
Dustin, A 3AM morning actually in August 1980 and then followed by a night (technically that same day) in Philadelphia. So, let me change that to a TOTAL time period of about 32 hours. But, I did not have to clock-in and clock-out...LOL |
doughnut 26.04.2019 19:59 |
Dustin you mean Thor may have spent two nights with Freddie lol I wish we could use emoji on here to indicate how our post is meant lol |
koala 26.04.2019 19:59 |
Wow, you guys have really been going at it in the week I've been gone lol. I'll have to go back and reread everything more carefully sometime soon. Anyway, I'm glad your plumbing situation has been resolved, Thor! Also, it's been great seeing Shaun participating in the thread so actively. First hand stories are extremely valuable to all of us, so a big thank you to you sir. One thing I don't understand is why everyone is being so cynical of Rudi Dolezal's upcoming book. He's very well known in the Queen community for interviewing Freddie several times in the 80s (including in the famous "musical prostitute" interview), for working with both Freddie and Queen on a number of video shoots throughout the years, and making the Untold Story documentary. My point is he must have got to know all of them well in all that time and might very well have interesting stories to share. Just because he wasn't a part of YOUR life with Freddie, Thor, doesn't mean he wasn't a part of it at all or that he has nothing worthy to say on the subject. I'm slightly disappointed by this attitude, especially since we've seen similar dismissive attitudes to Thor and Lee's book, and we know how unfair such judgements can be. I do admit it's a bit much to compare him to someone like Peter Freestone by calling him inner circle, but my general point still stands. I'm sorry if this comes across a bit harsh - it's not my intention to cause any bad blood - but I felt it needed to be said. |
rennsage 26.04.2019 20:00 |
If I can jump in, I think I remember Thor saying they met in a bar in NY and had one (successful) night together, and also talked a lot. And then Freddie went to do a concert (in Philly, I think?) and Thor surprised Freddie by showing up, they hung out after the concert, probably had a little too much to drink and then had an attempted, but unsuccessful second night. And then became friends and the rest is history. :-) |
rennsage 26.04.2019 20:01 |
You didn't clock-in and clock-out, Thor? How dare you, sir! :-) |
Dustin Zimmerman 26.04.2019 20:06 |
Koala....yikes. I think you just jumped off the deep end a little bit. You know Thor's a grown man and doesn't need to be yelled at in caps right? Yeesh. |
doughnut 26.04.2019 20:06 |
Koala the critical nature of the book is directed towards the blurb I shared . Did you see it ? Thor is saying that Rudi was not part of Freddie life during the nyc period and the blurb suggests otherwise. From what I can gather Rudi came along after thor's time |
SM 26.04.2019 20:14 |
Oh boy. I'm slightly disappointed in your own attitude there Koala. Thor was close to Mr M and still didn't know of this guy. I don't think he was wrong in asking who he was and wishing him luck. The attitude toward him is definitely not necessary. Working with someone and being in the inner circle are two different things. I worked for Mr Beach but I sure wasn't in any inner circle. Having been friends with Jim and Thor with Mr Mercury and Mr Freestone...and none of them ever mentioned this fellow to either of us would lead any normal person to wonder who he is. If he knows them closely then fine. But you can't knock the lad for asking about something he didn't know. Leaves a foul taste in the mouth. Sorry. Cheers |
rennsage 26.04.2019 20:15 |
The problem with Rudi's blurb that doughnut posted is mainly this, I think: "...film director was not only the personal filmmaker of Freddie Mercury & Queen for over twenty years,... He may very well have worked with Queen after Freddie's death (I'm sure he did) but this blurb implies he worked with and knew Freddie for over twenty years. As far as I know, his first meeting with Freddie was the "musical prostitute" interview, right? Wasn't that 1984? So he only knew Freddie (in mostly a professional capacity) for about 8 years at the most, from 1984-1991. |
koala 26.04.2019 20:21 |
@Dustin, I'm not sure why you would interpret my comment as "yelling". The one word in all caps was there for emphasis, since this board doesn't support any other stylistic tools. I just expressed my opinion in what I hope is a respectful way, and I'm certainly not angry or yelling at anyone. If that didn't come across originally, I'm sorry, and am stating it clearly here. @Doughnut, I've seen the blurb, thanks for posting it. I agree that calling him inner circle is a bit much (probably there to signal that he knew him well), but other than that, I don't really see a problem. |
koala 26.04.2019 20:32 |
Shaun, my issue was not with Thor not knowing who he was and asking, but with what I (perhaps mistakenly) perceived to be negative attitude about him and the book (the woodwork comment). I realize things don't always translate well in writing, and it's possible I've misinterpreted what he meant, in which case I apologize. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 20:44 |
Thor,I believe what you are saying to be true and I dont think you should have to keep justifying your relationship to Freddie with anyone.You have already explained it several times and that should be enough. |
koala 26.04.2019 20:46 |
rennsage, I see what you mean and I agree that that's misleading and definitely not true (I seem to remember there being an interview from 1982 where Freddie's interviewed by him, but I'm not 100%. Either way, he definitely didn't know him for 20 years). |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 21:09 |
Freddie darling, noone is attacking you or upset at all I was just was stating a fact that I had said it in the past.I wont say it again because I do realise it wasnt a kind or proper thing to say .I just dont have a popular opinion when it comes to Mary she is a liar manipulator and road Freddie's skirt takes in my book.Everything she accused his dear friends of she was herself.I will stand by this and make no excuses for her.In return I wont make excuses for my behavior either the woman pisses me off. |
doughnut 26.04.2019 21:11 |
Koala yes it's the 'knowing him for '20 years ' that is the sticking point but that probably hadn't even come from Rudi. It's probably dramatized to make sales ! |
doughnut 26.04.2019 21:11 |
Koala yes it's the 'knowing him for '20 years ' that is the sticking point but that probably hadn't even come from Rudi. It's probably dramatized to make sales ! |
RussiaLand 26.04.2019 21:13 |
"You can trust me" wasn't exactly what I was expecting, but thanks for the answer. |
doughnut 26.04.2019 21:30 |
Russualand Thor has already said that John Murphy moved away to be with his boyfriend and then Freddie left leaving Lee and Thor of the new York daughters. Thor has said that John was in love and none of them really saw Thor said he didn't visit . Tbh I did think it was a bit dramatic for John to fly to the UK just to tell Freddie he had aids.Also no-one else has ever mentioned a visit from John , I'm sure Jim or Peter would have said in their book.I only asked as I was curious |
doughnut 26.04.2019 21:32 |
Spelling and grammar is bad , sorry it's auto correct |
emdee0809 26.04.2019 21:44 |
Would someone define for me the definition of "inner circle"? The connotation of that word to me means that there is an inclusive trust between all included in the circle. I have never heard of him before this. It doesn't mean he doesn't have the qualifications or stories of his own experiences to tell. I just think that is too strong of a word for my liking. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 21:50 |
Emdee, Inner circle are those who you trust the most they are your family.It means alot if you are apart of this inner circle because you are trusted with things that others arent.Those of the inner circle are family but of no blood relatuon. |
CHEVYMAN 26.04.2019 21:52 |
Emdee,I think Freddie had a strained relationship with his family to some degree. This inner circle of friends became his family. |
Perk 26.04.2019 22:32 |
Thor, what happened to Joe Scardillini?? That is horrible spelling sorry. I think I sent you a screen shot of a glowing story about Freddie, You and his NY daughters and how much he loved you. I think it's your Instagram I'm not sure. I know what happened to poor John but wasn't there 4 of you? |
thundergod 26.04.2019 22:38 |
Wow, Seems like it is time for me to take a nap. OK...no authors out of the woodwork...but perhaps better said, out of the wooden side-door of Garden Lodge. Sleep sounds good right now...later! |
Blenkolove 26.04.2019 23:24 |
Thor.....i sent u a pm. |
The Black Queen's Kid 27.04.2019 00:13 |
Just viewing a few Queen videos on YouTube and came across "Save Me" performed at Hammersmith Odeon in 1979. A wonderful rendition of the song. And Freddie was amazing ... as he always was. |
The Black Queen's Kid 27.04.2019 00:24 |
I wonder if the other band members wrote knowing that Freddie would be doing all the vocals. They must have had that in mind. I think I read that John didn't sing, so he knew that his songs would have Freddie doing the singing. With Brian, he sang some of his own songs ( "39" being one example) but Freddie did lead vocals on many. Same with Roger. He sang " I'm in Love with My Car", but Freddie did lead vocals on "Radio Ga Ga". As a wannabe song writer myself I would have a hard time turning my heartfelt lyrics over to someone else. I guess if the "someone else" was Freddie Mercury I would bow down and be thankful that a real talent had blessed my emotions with their voice. |
mika251 27.04.2019 00:37 |
The more successful the band was the more songs were sang by Freddie because his voice was the "Queen voice". The rest of the band accepted the fact that if they wanted their song to be a single it had to be sang by Freddie. |
Perk 27.04.2019 00:46 |
Is there any way to find out the teeth question? I love Freddie's teeth I think they are cute in a lot of pictures and I hate that he covers them when he laughs.He had to have somewhere gotten criticized about them. I just am frustrated with this particular story because it seems no one really knows one way or another. Some say yes he did have extra back teeth (not wisdom, trust me I know those horrible shitty things, I had a horrible time when they yanked mine out) Some say he was born with (there's a name for it) that means extra teeth and it's not unheard of however rare and considering how his teeth looked when he was younger it's not impossible. I too had horrible teeth as a child and felt like I had braces for decades (wasn't that long but felt that way) Although I also grew up in the 90's not the 50's and mine were pretty bad too, same thing as Freddie little worse in front. it was not an easy childhood. Sean is right, there is no way that Mary's behavior could have changed that much. It's possible that not only was it Freddie's guilt but Phoebe said his friendship and "love" was rooted very deeply in trust. I think he trusted her and believed in her that she wouldn't spill his secrets. He did say they believed in each other, but never once did he use love I don't think. He definitely never said he was in love with her, and someone brought up, that she said for the six years they lived together it took her 3 to fall in love with him...that's a long time to be dating someone before you fall in love.... |
Perk 27.04.2019 00:48 |
Thor hurry up and publish your book I'm out of Freddie books to read! ahhhh!! I might have to read novels or something THE HORROR. |
Perk 27.04.2019 01:21 |
I think Freddie sang every song the same whether he wrote it or the others. That was just his way. |
emdee0809 27.04.2019 01:30 |
Thor- hope you enjoyed or are still enjoying your nap!! Hope you didn't have any nightmares about authors coming out of woodwork or Garden Lodge doors. Perk- hope someone can find the answer to your teeth obsession- that's one myth I would like to keep- something about having the extra teeth is like having a super power- his voice was simply Mercurial!! Chevy- your definition of inner circle is spot on - thus my opinion remains the same- sounds like this publisher uses quite a bit of elaboration to promote the book |
Perk 27.04.2019 03:20 |
Unless they are counting until today. They did the ONE VISION documentary. So 1986 is when he met Freddie and Queen |
Galileo1564 27.04.2019 03:35 |
Regarding Rudi’s book—baking dwarves into chocolate cake? Seriously? Did anyone else find that completely not believable? Rudi did know Freddie so I was hoping this would be a good book. |
Galileo1564 27.04.2019 04:01 |
JoT—I grew up close to the border but on the other side. We got all the American networks from Buffalo. We laughed at how much snow they got. Yeah, I know about that book. The problem is that Dugas was told by public health people more than once to stop having anonymous sex in bath houses, meaning with people who didn’t know he had KS. But he didn’t stop. This new book doesn’t dispute that, it just tries to argue that since Dugas didn’t believe the doctors that his cancer was sexually transmittable, he’s not the villain he was made out to be in And The Band Played On. And according to Randy Shilts, some of his partners called public health to complain about his behavior. And supposedly at least one of these doctors called him a sociopath. This was early on, maybe 1982, when his diagnosis was “gay cancer” not AIDS. GRID was never a medical term, just a media name. He did participate in CDC research to establish that the new disease was sexually transmitted. That’s how he became patient O/patient 0. He would not have known the results when the above behavior was going on. He told them everything they wanted to know about his sex life. I don’t think a sociopath would do all that. And he was by no means the only one told to cool it who didn’t. He’s just one of the most famous. |
Galileo1564 27.04.2019 04:13 |
Here’s a recent interview with Phoebe. link There’s some things in here I hadn’t heard before. There are a couple of other people interviewed in the middle, and then the interview with Phoebe resumes. There’s a Prince Andrew story at the end that’s hysterically funny. Also, comments on how Freddie was portrayed in the movie. |
mika251 27.04.2019 05:57 |
Perk Rudi met Freddie in 1982 for the first time. You can find it easily on YouTube, an interview where they spoke about Mack and Freddie said he's a genius. And One Vision was recorded in 1985. It still doesn't make 20 years but it's little bit more :) |
Jo T. 27.04.2019 07:10 |
Galileo1564, thanks for the link to Phoebe's recent interview. I enjoyed it. He is ever so gracious. I like him in the blue flannel. I also like how he mentioned how "Bo Rhap" never captured Freddie's laughter. We saw Pink in concert earlier tonight. Pink brought her "Beautiful Trauma" tour to my metropolis Fri. night and she has another concert on Sat. night. She was so fabulous. During the concert, Pink paid tribute to gender-nonconforming, "androgynous" (her words) musicians she admired greatly, including Annie Lennox, Prince, David Bowie and of course, Freddie Mercury! Each of their names popped up individually on the large screen. Unfortunately, it happened so fast, I wasn't able to take a photo of Freddie's name due to the brief screen time, or else I would've uploaded it to the thread. Apparently, Pink recounted on stage how her 7-year-old daughter confessed that she felt "ugly." She was teased at school for being a tomboy and resembling a boy, even though she had long hair. To boost her daughter's self-esteem, Pink brought up the above artists as sources of inspiration, as well as herself as an example. Besides Aretha Franklin and Lady Gaga, I believe that if Freddie were alive, he may have also collaborated w/Pink. Granted, I highly doubt he would've joined her performing aerial acrobatics and flying on harnesses across a stadium arena! LOL |
doughnut 27.04.2019 07:40 |
Shaun I have sent you a pm about something I've seen . |
Jo T. 27.04.2019 07:53 |
Also, Galileo, thanks for shedding more light on Gaetan Dugas. I always appreciate your science background. |
doughnut 27.04.2019 08:31 |
Jo.T I really admire pink , I'd like to see her , she has an amazing voice . Thank you for making me smile as I have visions of Freddie flying around in a harness doing acrobatics. Such a,shame about her daughter. Children are aware of themselves so much younger these days . I don't feel I can watch any programme to do with aids right now as it's to upsetting . |
CHEVYMAN 27.04.2019 11:51 |
Doughnut, it's a hard subject for me too my uncle died of the same disease so it always is a tough one for me to talk about.I have mixed feelings about alot of the negativity put out there concerning it only being linked to gays in those early years.My state being the way the it was back then it was tough for him I can remember all the whispers and looks when we would be walking down the road.Some idiots would yell nasty remarks out their car windows .He actually went to school with these guys I dont see how he made it.He acted like it didnt bother him but I really wonder sometimes if it did.I wish he could of lived long enough to receive medication maybe he would still be with me. |
Dustin Zimmerman 27.04.2019 13:40 |
I'll just leave this here... |
doughnut 27.04.2019 14:25 |
I've seen this shared today . I told Shaun about it privately as I didn't want to cause further Mary drama . I doubt she gave that story and if she did her words were probably turned around , at least I hope so as it's pretty awful . I'm not defending her by the way but we know what the press are like and it probably made for a good story at that time . It's certainly given some food for thought Hope you had a good nap Thor ! |
koala 27.04.2019 15:19 |
So it seems most of the negativity about Rudi's book was in response to the sensationalized blurb, which I get (probably a marketing move, as has been pointed out). My whole point was simply to not dismiss it out of hand, since Rudi had a legitimate role in Queen history and almost certainly has interesting stories to share. Thor, no offense was meant to you, and I hope we're ok (perhaps I too should have taken a nap before responding quite so harshly). |
koala 27.04.2019 15:22 |
Dustin, thanks for sharing. I can't make out more than the headline, but yikes that doesn't make Mary look good to say the least. |
CHEVYMAN 27.04.2019 16:19 |
Is that article a new article |
CHEVYMAN 27.04.2019 16:26 |
I hate to say it but she may not of said it in those words She just wanted him out period because it was her house.It had nothing to do with her children.I dont know about the article.She raised her children in Freddie's home everyone knew he died of AIDS so I doubt she said that.Evedybody knows I wouldnt stand up for her but this time I dont think It went down like that. |
doughnut 27.04.2019 16:36 |
Kaola I also feel the book by Rudi will be interesting .From what I can gather he started becoming involved with queen videos from 1985 onwards. The turpeodo twins , he being one half , filmed the 'one vision ,' documentary in 1985 and Rudi did the last interview in 1987. I do feel the b!urb has been done that way to sell the book I heard that Rudi is also making another documentary . |
doughnut 27.04.2019 16:38 |
Chwvyman for once I agree and I'm not a Mary fan at all . I've no idea where this article has sprung from ! |
Saint Jiub 27.04.2019 17:25 |
doughnut wrote: I've seen this shared today . I told Shaun about it privately as I didn't want to cause further Mary drama . I doubt she gave that story and if she did her words were probably turned around , at least I hope so as it's pretty awful . I'm not defending her by the way but we know what the press are like and it probably made for a good story at that time . It's certainly given some food for thought Hope you had a good nap Thor !What was the date of the article and which newspaper published it? Is there a readable scan of this article? The author of this article appears to have written for several UK newspapers ... link |
Saint Jiub 27.04.2019 17:25 |
oops |
doughnut 27.04.2019 18:01 |
Saint I have only seen the same as what Dustin shared here . It's imposed to read as it's so small but the headline kind of gives a clue as to what is said . Russialand seems to be quite good at decoding these things lol |
doughnut 27.04.2019 18:03 |
Impossible not imposed |
DCQueenLuvr 27.04.2019 18:15 |
I'd be interested in reading the article Dustin posted as well. I'm surprised Mary would talk to the press about what happened, but maybe she was contacted after Jim published his book and she wanted to explain herself. I recently found this article from April 1974. I hadn't ever seen it before, but I have to wonder why it didn't end all speculation about Freddie's sexuality. It's pretty clear here. link |
Blenkolove 27.04.2019 18:50 |
DCQ. ... Thank you for sharing that article. I had seen references to the end of that piece...but had never seen the actual article before. I, too, would like to read that article Dustin linked....but zooming in on the print only makes the print fuzzy and unreadable. If anyone can post a more legible copy....that would be appreciated!!!! Peter Freestone stated that he clearly knew of 2 times Freddie admits his sexuality in the press, but the press doesn't really pick up on it. .......hmmmm |
Perk 27.04.2019 21:20 |
Freddie said outloud in print more than once in interviews he was gay. Mary was the last woman he would be with. No one seemed to notice. Even a few years ago Brian went on a radio show and they asked him. He said Freddie was gay. They said how do you know. He said, he said it. I'm Gay as a daffodil. And one other time he said it. They said could he have been flippant? Brian said Freddie doesn't mince words. He didn't just say it once he said it several times and they just ignored that. Mary has said it, Jim has said it, Freddie's sister has said it, in 2009 his mom said it on an interview, Thor, and Lee have said it. There is no question his boyfriends and best friends have said it but everyone wants to say he's bisexual but it honestly doesn't matter. It's all out of homophobic issues..Even if he is gay that has nothing to do with how talented and amazing he is. Though maybe they could ignore his words back then but now if it's in black and white and he SAID it. Trust him. Do not think Mary is an angel she isn't. Mary got paid well for that interview btw. It took almost 8 years for her to get full control of Freddie's money, so she might have needed it. Mary didn't write a book but, she thought seriously about it according to David Wigg. She is no more innocent than Jim. She sold pictures of Garden Lodge and her sons and has done several interviews. Everyone wants to think she's so private, trust me she will talk when she needs money. She just hasn't needed it in a while. She has money to destroy the shrine to Freddie and things she doesn't need interview money. She just got a huge amount from movie royalties |
Blenkolove 27.04.2019 22:22 |
Before I began my initial 'study' of Freddie Mercury my gut instinct said.....He's gay. But only going on the few press reports I'd seen......i thought maybe he IS bisexual. (Either way.....he was such a beautiful and fascinating creature, i cared not one bit his sexual identity!!) After reading the 'good' biographies and reading QZ's info from All that knew him (Thor, Lee, SM.....and Villiers excellent research) I have NO DOUBT Freddie was a gay man!! Do i love him less??? Absolutely Not!! If anything......i Love him more!!!! I now see him for who he was. I appreciate how hard it must have been for him back then. I value his total honesty in the words of his lyrics, his flaunting it on stage right in everyone's face but only those who were really looking could see it (Absolutely Brilliant....if you ask me!) He stayed Authentic til the end! Bravo!! The 'mask' was only utilized for press junkets.......Again a brilliant business maneuver from a brilliant musical entrepreneur!!!!! I completely Get that during this time in his career, he could not risk being an openly gay man. I have never felt duped because it was Always there for all to see. I most of all Adore his Humanity.....his generosity, his loyalty, his true love of music, fans, friends and family and even animals make him All the more lovable. His insecurities, idiosyncrasies, complexities and vulnerabilities prove his humanity......flaws, brilliance, heart and soul keep him fascinating and timelessly relevant .....to the rest of us mere mortals....who can relate so well with such a talented and brilliantly beautiful human. That is exactly why he touches us so deeply and so universally......He is not a God....he is one of US!!!! |
Perk 27.04.2019 23:46 |
Blenko I agree completely...I don't know how many more people have to confirm it before people finally accept it. HE kind of loved the mischievousness in flaunting it right in front of everyone's eyes but they refused to see. Now still because he had one or two female relationships before he figured out what he really wanted everyone has the bisexual idea. I don't care who he loved, it doesn't change the fact that he was insanely talented. He wrote amazing music, could sing like nobody's business and move like nobody's business and basically changed music forever. I don't know why his sexuality mattered one bit. It certainly didn't when Wayne's World brought back a renaissance of Queen in the USA in the 90's and it certainly didn't stop anyone from seeing the biopic. 27 years after he died he's still as fascinating and interesting and mysterious as he always was. He was and is one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century and still has no match in the 21st. That is all that matters! His legacy endures and I hope it continues to for a long long time. Ironically being mysterious when he was alive may have even helped his legacy and interest stay alive in 2019 |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 02:45 |
I dont for the life of me understand why anyone cares about who someones sexual interests are.That is labeling someone and that's why I hate it so bad.What about caring for someone for who they are as a person or friend or artist.Who gives a rat's ass who they have sex with or how many.I will not be labeled by anyone. But I do respect someone that goes by a label.Everyone should be free to love whoever they want without worrying about a gender preference.Can we move on everybody knows that Freddie identified privately as gay and why he did.I know Thor and Lee got to be tired of hearing it .Where are you at Thor ? |
runner_70 28.04.2019 07:02 |
I rather read a book by Rudi Dolezal who worked closely with Freddie for years than reading the drivel from some random guys Freddie wrongly trusted who now try to make a quick buck with kiss and tell book, getting money for "sensational stories" in awful "docus" like "Freddie's Loves" and talk shit about Mary Austin. Thank God those book publishers think the same |
Perk 28.04.2019 07:20 |
The funniest thing about any of this sexuality talk is that everyone is now so convinced he was attracted to and had sex with men that it’s not was he gay or straight. It’s oh well it was women too. Ok I don’t get it. Why does that matter? He isn’t alive he won’t meet us and fall in love, gay or straight, male or female. I don’t understand why people know he had sex with men but if he didn’t have sex with women then we can’t like him anymore? It’s such an insult to think he’s hot? So if he is just gay and not bisexual does that mean that his songs can’t be for women now? This is such a twisted version of homophobia. Well he was only mostly gay. So it’s all good? What? Oh it’s ok because once he slept with women too so we can buy his music on iTunes. If he was totally gay then no I couldn’t. Is anyone else confused by that? I am a straight woman. I have never been sexually attracted to other women so does that mean if Freddie was “totally” gay I can’t listen? I can’t love him? I’m not trying to date him I just wanna look at pretty things and he’s pretty. I also think he was a killer human but if he’s totally gay I’m not allowed to idolize him? He had to have at least been attracted to women a little bit or I can’t think he’s damn fine and lust after his nice ass? Is that the rule? I’m super confused cause personally I think he was sexy as hell. But I can’t be attracted to a man because he’s gay? If he’s bi then I can? Can anyone explain this insane need to believe he would be attracted to me, a woman? There’s one BIG problem there, a tragic irreversible issue to conquer first; He isn’t alive anymore. He isn’t here to be having sex with any human male or female but if he’s “totally” gay I can’t get turned on by the way he looks in tight jeans and how he makes me hot when he shakes his leg to the music in said jeans? I mean I’m not trying to be disrespectful of anyone but I mean attraction is human nature. He had some very *ahem* obvious assets. But he was gay so stop caring? Poke out my eyes and don’t think about his assets? Does anyone else get this insane need to prove whether he was gay or bi? I like dark headed men. He happens to have dark hair. I like men who are funny. Hmm check. I also like men who look good in jeans. Oh no! Unfortunately even if the man I am attracted to is indeed into women sexually I’m blonde what if he likes brunettes? Oh crap! What if he likes blondes but idk taller ones. I guess I’m not allowed to look and go damn he’s good looking cause he doesn’t like blondes and I’m blonde. If I’m not allowed to think he’s damn good looking because I’m not his type and he isn’t into me then how do I divert my eyes and in turn my attraction to ONLY guys who happen to be only attracted to blonde women. Will Freddie be offended that I sometimes look at his pictures and admire his *cough* obvious considerable assets? That I sometimes find my eyes traveling to his jeans at Live Aid below the waist? Is that the issue? How do I find out? If he’s bisexual then it’s ok? He has been gone 27 years and except for one guy, if you believe, no one has ever come back to life. But if I argue all this time that he slept with women too when and if he does come back I may have a chance? That’s the craziest crap I’ve ever heard. I am a straight woman. He was gay. I liked his music but if he’s gay I can’t I guess. Noooo. I like his music cause it’s good and fun and catchy and original and he could sing so damn well. But if he’s gay I can’t listen? So I will fight to the death for him to be bisexual cause if he is even a fraction attracted to women it’s ok then? What is the crazy insane logic behind this argument. Especially that it’s not even a gay or straight issue anymore. It’s a bi or gay one. What? If he didn’t at least think women were a tiny bit attractive it’s all over. I must Erase all my Queen songs off Spotify? But 3 of the four were attracted to women and I don’t really find them attractive so now I can listen? or not? What is the next step in this insanity? The facts are I like men. I like men with dark hair. I like men who look good in tight jeans and who can shake their leg to a beat oh and who have dreamy singing voices and nice um assets. Freddie is a man a dreamy singing voice, funny, looks great in tight jeans that show off his finer points. But he was TOTALLY gay. So Must I stop liking him even though he happens to match all the criteria I’m attracted to? This is confusing!!!! He has to be bisexual or I can’t love him? Right? Damn *snaps fingers* so close. Oh another thing I like in men. That I can meet them that they are still on Earth. So if he’s totally gay and idk in heaven I can or can’t? What is the answer? (Obviously I’m kidding) this is just a crazy way of saying my eyes like certain things in humans and what they see is completely dependent on whether the person I lay eyes on would return the favor? Is that the problem? Cause I don’t see me blinding myself any time soon and since for 37 years I’ve enjoyed sex with men and he’s a man and a pretty hot one but if he’s TOTALLY gay. I can’t like what I see? No eye candy? No eargasms? Well shit! There goes my plan to marry and have kids with Freddie Mercury it’s not that I’m alive and he happens to not be. It’s that he doesn’t like to have sex with women and men both! That’s my biggest hurdle. This sucks! I shall now go fight against all evidence to the contrary to insist he was bisexual! (Grr) I think what he would REALLY be insulted by is wasting my life arguing about that. I think he’d rather me go enjoy the sexy music and the sexy man singing that music and watch all the concerts and enjoy all he worked hard to achieve his whole life. I think I’ll do the last part. Cause arguing about that other thing seems oddly pointless and a waste. (seriously how rude was he to look so good in jeans and wear those jeans so tight to um highlight his assets? the nerve!) Love ya Freddie bi or gay or alive or dead. Do I go try to argue that he’s both alive and dead now? I am deadophobic. I am scared of people not alive! It makes me super uncomfortable to hang out with non-living people. I don’t apologize for it either. Sorry if this offends any half dead or totally dead readers. |
doughnut 28.04.2019 08:20 |
Runner it's a shame you feel that way about Thor and Lee's book . I don't believe they are trying to cash in with a kiss n tell book . They want to tell people about the Freddie they knew and loved and share their stories and give us a view into their time together where Freddie was a normal gay man. Why shouldn't they share their memories , Peter and jim and David Evans have done the same . I feel the world needs to know more about the real Freddie and not the one having to hide from his sexuality . On the subject of his sexuality, why does it need to discussed , Freddie was so much more than that. He was a brilliant man , a legend with insecurities just like us . I'm getting so fed up of the bi/ gay talk and if I'm honest the mary/Jim topic as it's tainting my image of Freddie and I don't want that to happen. Hope I make sense . It seems he loved jim but it was complicated by outside forces who didn't appreciate their relationship. He loved Mary but she seems to have caused problems and treated his close family like poo. It's all just nuts , how can one man leave so much behind lol |
Dustin Zimmerman 28.04.2019 09:08 |
Sorry Perk but that was too long to read all the way through. He was gay and not bisexual we all know that. It is important to discuss/know because as villier says in her lives (and I love th way she words this) just like the color of his hair, his height or his ethnicity, Freddie's being gay was a fact of his life and although it did not define him as a man it did have a massive influence on his life and the career of his you all love so much. And because he had to hide it from the public all his life it is unfair and disrespectful for it to be hidden or swept under the rug in death. Had he not been gay the band may not have even been named Queen, they wouldn't have the same sound or look and the man who was known as rock's greatest showman may not have been. Anyone who could watch Freddie on stage and not see his campness hasn't been paying attention. A good portion of what people claim they like most about Freddie was from his being gay. |
Charlies boy 28.04.2019 09:19 |
Sorry...Perk....what the fuck are you talking about? Dude that was like a 7 page essay that made absolutely no sense at all. What on God's earth The man was gay. As his own friends here said on this very thread "he showed absolutely no interest in women whatsoever. He was 100% gay and loved being gay." If you still feel the need to stare at his cock and drool so be it but I don't understand the point to your post. I read it 2 times and it was the most bizarre rant I've seen on here yet. What was the point? Could you tell us in a short comment please. |
St Pepper 28.04.2019 09:30 |
Perk that was the single most stupid post anyone has made here. Congratulations. You say you're 37 but aren't mature enough to know you are "allowed" to find a gay man attractive? Do you know why you keep talking about his penis that you can't stop staring at eventhough you're a woman and he was gay? Because being gay didn't make him an idiot. Sex sells. That's why he wore what he wore. Did he ever want to fuck you or any other female? No. But why in hell would you need to believe that he wanted you in order for you to notice him as physically appealing? There's no need to prove the man was gay. All his friends said it, he said it and he LIVED it. He was not into women. Even when he tried dating women he hated sex with them. You know what isn't sexy for a woman? Watching her black haired, large cocked parter stop during the act love making to cry because he wants a man and not a woman. That was the reality for the girl he dated before Mary. And want to know what Mary dealt with? The same studly man avoiding sex with her as well. Making her feel unloved and suspicious. Why? Because he was fucking gay. Have you so little imagination that you can't just find a gay man attractive without needing to believe he would want you back? Because I'm sorry to tell you this but Freddie Mercury did not want women even when he tried dating women before coming to terms with being gay. If that busts your cock dream bubble you may want to move on to another artist to lust after. |
The Squirrelly One 28.04.2019 10:46 |
I think she was talking about people who think that way, not necessarily her. Although I'll be honest I read the whole thing and I didn't exactly understand it either. |
doughnut 28.04.2019 10:53 |
Dustin.....spot on.....thank you :) I didn't understand it either and gave up mid way through . |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 12:13 |
Runner, If you dont like it hear why waste your breath .Your a Dick head.Why dont you join miss Austin since you think so much of her.I Know who you are your one of those little bitches on Instagram that like to make rude comments and start shit .Sounds like to me your talking out of your ass.So unless you have something nice to say say nothing at all.Oh by the way Miss Austin doesnt like the fans either sorry about that. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 12:45 |
Perk, sister I got lost but yes buy the music its great.I just think women look at him and think damn he couldnt be gay he is way too hot.But that is true with most gay men.Look at Thor I bet he got hit on by ladies.They arre nice to look at but at the end of the day we have to remember that they do like the boys and move on.I also think that's were this hang up on Mary Austin comes in .Women using that one woman to justify his liking of women. |
emdee0809 28.04.2019 12:49 |
Doughnut- could you clarify your statement: " tainting my image of Freddie "? The arguments of his sexuality and his relationship with Mary will always be discussed. Just wondering what you're thinking. Chevy-some people just don't get it - you do!! Happy Sunday! |
doughnut 28.04.2019 13:17 |
emdee I will claify by PM . |
The Black Queen's Kid 28.04.2019 13:56 |
A lot of snippy comments and negative vibes on the forum today. Maybe we all need to do some yoga and mellow out a little. |
doughnut 28.04.2019 14:01 |
must be a full moon lol |
St Pepper 28.04.2019 14:20 |
Oh yeah. Super bad vibes bro. It couldn't possibly be that someone posted something stupid and people noticed. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 17:29 |
I said something negative I will try to obstain from negativity have a happy Sunday everyone.I just dont agree with something someone said and this person creates drama.Im sorry for calling them a dick head. |
Radioblabla 28.04.2019 17:35 |
Hi everyone. I wanted to share something with you and maybe this will help to change the mood lol. I was listening a radio programm about the Notre Dame fire. Lot of different people were there to talk about it: historian, architect, urbanist and a well-known classical musician that often played in the cathderal. During the program, this one would be ask to choose music that he liked. Of he put a lot of classical music but at one time guess what he choose? Bohemian Rhapsody. When ask why he choose it, he said something like:"Freddie Mercury's music and Queen's music helped me became the musician I am today. I would not be the musician I am, if not for Freddie's talent. They were so ahead of their time. And I know their music and especially this song speaks a lot to classical musicians. I'm glad there is a new generation of fans around the world." This just shows you, even when you're not expecting it, you will hear something about Queen. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 17:35 |
I'm sure when Thor returns I will be in trouble for responding to the trolling behavior but I just couldnt help myself .It was like a real bad itch you have to take care of. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 17:37 |
Radio, cool |
doughnut 28.04.2019 18:19 |
Radio that is such a lovely story. It is such a shame to see what the fire has done, I hear that it could take up to 40 years to rebuild ? |
doughnut 28.04.2019 18:19 |
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Blenkolove 28.04.2019 18:23 |
Radio......Thank you for sharing that w us!! What an Incredible Tribute that is for Queen and Freddie!!! Somehow....Freddie knows this and is smiling from arse to elbow!! Lol |
runner_70 28.04.2019 20:28 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Runner, If you dont like it hear why waste your breath .Your a Dick head.Why dont you join miss Austin since you think so much of her.I Know who you are your one of those little bitches on Instagram that like to make rude comments and start shit .Sounds like to me your talking out of your ass.So unless you have something nice to say say nothing at all.Oh by the way Miss Austin doesnt like the fans either sorry about that.I am not on Instagram you sad lil prick |
St Pepper 28.04.2019 20:35 |
Lol you're calling someone a sad lol prick as you stay trolling this thread repeating the same tired bullshit. Ironic. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 20:36 |
Runner, It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 20:37 |
Runner, It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again. |
Blenkolove 28.04.2019 20:55 |
We Ignore trolls!! Then they wander back underneath the bridge they came from! |
Radioblabla 28.04.2019 20:55 |
doughnut wrote: Radio that is such a lovely story. It is such a shame to see what the fire has done, I hear that it could take up to 40 years to rebuild ?It will take years for sure. how many, we will only know after expertives are done. Blenkolove wrote: Radio......Thank you for sharing that w us!! What an Incredible Tribute that is for Queen and Freddie!!! Somehow....Freddie knows this and is smiling from arse to elbow!! LolThat's what I love about Freddie and Queen. The universality of their music. |
Rainbow61 28.04.2019 21:02 |
The final 8 contestants from American Idol are singing Queen songs tonight...Adam Lambert is their mentor. The last time I watched American Idol was about a decade ago, but I'll tune in for this episode. While I am curious to see how the contestants handle the songs, I am far more interested in what they think about Freddie and the challenge of singing his music. I'm hoping he gets the high praise he deserves! |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 21:08 |
Rainbow, I hope so too. |
Blenkolove 28.04.2019 21:18 |
Rainbow.... Thank you for the American idol info. I have my grands tonight and they Lied over the tv....but I certainly will record it!! |
Blenkolove 28.04.2019 21:21 |
Ugh.....Lord over tv...... |
RoyalTee 28.04.2019 21:47 |
Come on! All Perk was saying it that she doesn’t get why people feel the need to argue his bisexuality, and mentioning how as time has gone by the “debate” is not even was he gay or straight any more it’s simply people grasping at straws saying “he preferred guys but he liked a few girls too”. Simply saying people prefer claiming that Freddie was bi (because with all the facts saying Freddie was straight is not even an option) because it makes them feel more comfortable. They cling to his bisexuality because for whatever reason they don’t want to say the someone they admire and/or crush on was gay. Through examples she gave she’s asking what does Freddie being gay versus bisexual change in those scenarios. And specifically in regards to straight women, who love to fantasize about having a shot with Freddie at either or relationship or even a one night stand, Perk is asking how is Freddie turning them down because he’s gay any different than him turning them down for any other reason like height, hair color, etc. In summary, all Perk was saying is that she thinks it dumb for people to spend time debating Freddie’s bisexuality when it’s not true and there are more interesting things to talk about in regards to Freddie. Perk feel free to correct me if I got the wrong idea from what you wrote. All the pettiness is unnecessary. |
St Pepper 28.04.2019 22:22 |
Oh look Perk made a new account and keeps writing essays nobody is gonna read all the way through. Like the pettiness, your pointless rants aren't necessary. Thanks. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 22:29 |
Royal Tee, I dont think anyone is being petty but people are tired of hearing how excuse my language how big his bulge is and how they would like some of that.These guys on this forum were friends with him in the early 80s and never mentioned him looking at women at all.Im just saying maybe keep the wet dreams to ones self it's perfectly natural to find someone attractive.Yes I think gay men are very attractive especially them blondes there is just something about them.However, I wouldnt personally torture myself into a fantasy that could never be real.Its all fun but in the end they are who they were meant to be gorgeous dudes who are attracted to other gorgeous dudes.If I could find one have a one night stand which back in the day I had an opportunity to do I backed out of it.The reason I did It wouldnt go anywhere beyond that And he was one of my good friends that was very drunk.Thats all I got to say on that . |
thundergod 28.04.2019 22:34 |
Runner, Didn't you know, Our book has nude pictures of YOU...and man, they aren't pretty. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 22:36 |
Thor, I wanna see |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 23:01 |
Royaltee, Is that You perk Hello is there anybody out there?Oh girl if that's You dont change your name I liked your name perk it was so easy to remember.You can have them fantasies if you want we all do you wanna know mine ?well if you do just send me a PM and we will talk I promise you will love the rest of my story were I left off on the last post.I can not put stuff like that here it's to way too let's say private. |
RoyalTee 28.04.2019 23:22 |
St Pepper, I’m not Perk and not going to say anything else to prove that to you, so think what you want. But if these comments are too much for you too read I’m really wondering how you manage your way through life where shockingly enough you have to read actual words to get information. Calm down. Chevy based of you wrote I’m going to guess you didn’t read my comment in its entirety. My comment has nothing to do with justifying straight women bulge watching Freddie. My comment about me explaining that all Perk was saying from my understanding is that people are saying Freddie was bi to make themselves comfortable and fit him into their fantasies. Because it seemed that most got the wrong idea and were calling her comment dumb. |
thundergod 28.04.2019 23:27 |
Back to my nap. |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 23:52 |
Thor you come back here |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 23:53 |
Thor you come back please |
CHEVYMAN 28.04.2019 23:54 |
You ain't taking any nap you just dont wanna talk I get it. |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 00:08 |
Royal, perk,I think noone meant no harm. It was just a long post everybody understands what she was saying.She is welcome here noone is mad or upset.We just misunderstood what she wrote..Sorry for the confusion. |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 00:12 |
As far as this runner thing I wont apologize it is a complete asswhole in my book and I sure hope it doesnt kiss anyone with that nasty mouth of its. |
The Black Queen's Kid 29.04.2019 00:26 |
I should imagine that Thor wants nothing to do with this in-fighting and squabbling. Naps are a nice escape from the mundane. Maybe if we all stop bickering and bitching he'll come back. With regards to runner, dude just go f*ck yourself. We aren't interested in your pathetic view of the world. OK. I'll shut up now. Thank you for your time and attention. |
The Black Queen's Kid 29.04.2019 00:54 |
I have a legitimate Freddie question. He had ligament damage to his knee after some horse play at a bar in New York, then had an additional injury on stage during a performance of "Hammer to Fall". Was the 2nd injury related, or did he actually break his leg on stage? I've seen pictures of him with his leg in a cast. I think it was in Munich. |
emdee0809 29.04.2019 01:03 |
doughnut- I haven't received your pm yet- maybe you haven't sent it- just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it Watched a little bit of American Idol- makes you realize just how great Freddie was- although they are very talented- no one will ever be able to match his voice- ever!! |
Blenkolove 29.04.2019 01:05 |
Thor and Lee, Has there been anything culturally that's happened since Freddie passed....that you think would have really gotten Freddie excited??? Plays, Artists, music?????? Anything that may have made you think....'Man, Freddie would have really Loved this'????? |
RoyalTee 29.04.2019 01:06 |
The Black Queen’s Kid you’re right. I’M NOT PERK, and going forward any one can believe or not believe what they want. It wasn’t my intention for this situation to turn out how it did, so with that I’m dropping it. I came here to participate in actual discussions not arguments. In closing I’m not Perk, unless I hear about any lottery winning he or she may of won. My shit talking and pettiness is hereby reserved for NBA playoffs discussions and not for this forum. Sorry for contributing to messing up the flow and vide of this thread. -Signed Ms. NotPerk (last act of pettiness) |
The Black Queen's Kid 29.04.2019 01:20 |
If I become the voice of reason we are all doomed. I would love to get to know all of you personally, but as this is the interwebs that's not likely. In the good old days we spoke in person, so nuances were obvious and debates were civil. With this type of chatter it's easy to misconstrue meaning. I think we need to be kinder to one another and realize that we don't all have the same ability to convey things precisely. The exception is runner , who can go f*ck himself. |
RoyalTee 29.04.2019 01:42 |
The Black Queen’s Kid if this was the Avengers (I haven’t seen the new one yet so no spoilers please) than you would be Iron Man lol with they way you came through as the kind of voice of reason. And Thor...is of course Thor. I wonder would Freddie be into the Avengers, these movies are like a real event to me. |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 01:50 |
Emdee, Hi sweet heart You are right there isn't another like Freddie However, I think Adam Lambert Is a talented guy I have to say. |
Jo T. 29.04.2019 01:52 |
Here’s my 1st attempt to upload a photo on QZ. I hope it works. I ran into a couple of friends @ Pink’s “Beautiful Trauma World Tour” last Fri. night. One them thought the concert was so phenomenal (It was indeed!), she and her spouse got seats for the next day, Sat. night’s performance, too, but on the main floor, 8th row from the stage (I was afraid to ask if it cost an arm and a leg! LOL). Per my request, she took up-close photos of Pink and when Freddie Mercury’s name popped up on the LED screen. She later forwarded them to me. She actually videotaped the segment for me. I paused it and took a screenshot. It was during Pink’s homage to various artists that she greatly admired, who happened to be gender-nonconforming – like her - including Freddie, of course. CHEVYMAN, you shouldn't feed the trolls, but I had to laugh. Was that crazy line from "The Silence of the Lambs?" @doughnut, I believe Pink's tour is headed later to the UK. I highly recommend it. However, if you want aerial acrobatics and to see her flying across a stadium, you may have to see her @ an indoor venue, where the harnesses can fasten. @Rainbow61, thanks for alerting us about Queen and Adam Lambert on "American Idol." I'm simultaneously on QZ, watching "American Idol" AND working from home. The last time I watched “AI” was Adam Lambert’s season. I had rooted for him. |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 01:58 |
JT, yes It put the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again .silence of the Lambs 1991.That dude is a little fuck face.He is gone it must have worked clarice. |
Rainbow61 29.04.2019 03:01 |
Jo.T....same with me. The last time I watched American Idol was the year Adam Lambert was on. He was my favorite throughout the entire season...he left them all in the dust as far as I was concerned. Thanks for the photo from the Pink concert...I love it when other performers pay tribute to Freddie. In terms of paying homage to Freddie, one of the most amazing acknowledgments was when Norwegian Airlines put his picture on the tail fin of a couple of their planes. I flew to Ireland last year on Norwegian Airlines and was really hoping to be on the Freddie plane (although I knew the chance of that happening was rather slim) Alas, it was not to be...but a girl can dream! Did not catch American Idol tonight, but will watch it "On Demand" in a couple of days. |
FreddieDearie 29.04.2019 03:02 |
SM, ThunderGod and Lee Nolan et al.. I've been watching this thread for quite a while. I have bantered with myself about posting what I'm about to, and have finally decided to go through with it. Shaun, I'm wondering if you remember my friend Larry Kelly, because he remembered you. Larry was working for a refurbishing company that specialized in water and fire damage and that company was hired by Jim Beach around the same time SM's security company was. He told me these details back in 1993, things that went on at Garden Lodge soon after Freddie had died. (and yes, he too had signed a NDA. Which is COMMON PRACTICE. Whining about that is ridiculous as any celebrity does this for their own protection.) This was before Huttons book was published. So, this was not in response to Hutton at the time. Larry, was also friendly with Joe Fanelli (both gay men from Massachsetts living in London). Larry's account is a little diffrent and not particularly flattering for some. He had told me back in 1993 (before Hutton's book came out), that his company had been hired because, "household members" had a combination birthday/goodbye-Freddie/fuck-you Mary party. They had been disappointed with the "boring Christmas" celebration in the wake of Freddie's death. He said that the house was trashed and damaged, major water damage and items had been stolen. To top it off, the security system had not been simply left off, the securty system had physically disabled and broken. Larry also said that the Shaun, (the security-house sitter who was hired to protect Mary's interests and HER property), the "chauffeur" (who I presume was Terry, but could be someone else) and Hutton had conspired to "remove" things from Garden Lodge and that Joe Fanelli knew of it and had told Larry. Fanelli had also told Larry that neither he nor Phoebe believed Hutton was ever really Freddie's boyfriend. (as we now know, despite Hutton's claims that Mary Austin would let him remove so much as a framed picture, he and Shaun have managed to "find" items to be sold at auction, including highly personal notes that no spouse would EVER put up for auction under ANY circumstances) He said, from his point of view, these men had been fighting *between themselves* to be Freddie's Favorite, and they were seethingly angry that Mary got the bulk of the estate and felt they deserved more. Especially Joe and Hutton because they felt that Freddie had infected them and they thought they would get more than Phoebe. Larry said that Joe and Hutton used to make fun of Phoebe and thought he was a dolt and a kiss-ass. ' THAT is why Mary had everyone move to the Mews. She, rightfully, no longer trusted them to take care of Freddie's property. He said that Beach said that if they could've kicked the three of them off the premises all together, they would have, but that because there were laws that required tenants be given 90 day notice to leave the premises, they didn't. They also didn't want any further scandal going on. Now, that's all I'm gonna say about this. I'm well aware than none of you have cause to believe me, a virtual stranger on the internet. You will take it or leave it as you wish. I suspect most of you will leave it as you're so far up Hutton's arse, that no facts or details can penetrate your logic. But I what I was told, by someone who had absolute ZERO conflict of interest. And at least the guilty know that someone else knows the real story. |
Jo T. 29.04.2019 03:17 |
Wow! It appeared to have worked. P!nk (I forget to spell her stylized name.) can't be seen in the 1st photo of the LED screen of Freddie's name, so I included a recent photo of her. I took a screenshot of a video my friend filmed from the main floor of the "Beautiful Trauma World Tour" on 4-27-19. It's too bad you can't upload videos easily to QZ like FB. BTW, here's a YouTube video of P!nk in concert in Sydney performing "Bo Rhap" 10 years ago (It's NOT my personal video.): link |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.04.2019 03:40 |
Lol it's obvious people on here making fake accounts to stand up for themselves. Man this thread is getting pathetic. Childish shit. |
SM 29.04.2019 03:49 |
Freddiedearie your post is bullshit and wildly insulting. You know absolutely nothing about what went on there and who the fuck was "whining" about signing anything for my contract? Sorry but I'm lost for words. You're claiming I and Jim were thieves? Really? What a bitch. That's all for me folks. Mr Mercury's fans are just not the warm bunch I was hoping they are. I won't be posting here anymore. It's one thing to post a comment. It's another entirely to create total fiction and insinuate I bitched about signing what I was asked to sign and call me a fucking thief. You're disgusting. You want that badly to make lies to excuse Ms Austin's behaviour that you'll throw others under the bus for it? You need real help. Cheers. |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.04.2019 03:55 |
Odd that everything your "friend larry" that literally nobody has heard about is saying the actual opposite of what Peter Freestone himself said. Joe told on Jim and Shaun for stealing? Looks like you haven't bothered to read Freestone's second book. It's also odd that you're claiming Joe and Peter both never saw Jim as Freddie's lover when in both Peter's book and every convention chat he's ever done Peter talks about how everyone knew who Jim was to Freddie and he remembers him warmly. Peter's second book also talks about (in deatil) exactly what Shaun said about Mary letting them take some things and then changing her mind. Hints Jim getting some items out but not everything he planned to. Hmmm.....it's almost as if someone made this Larry stuff up entirely. |
Dustin Zimmerman 29.04.2019 03:58 |
PS that is not why mary5moved them to the Mews. You didn't bother to read Freestones seconds book before you pulled this crap put of your ass did ya. If you had bothered to read first you'd (Larry lol) know that JOE forgot to set the alarm one day and Mary came back to find the house unprotected. According to Freestone that is what caused it. But we should totally all just trust Larry WhatsHisName we never heard about before. |
The Squirrelly One 29.04.2019 04:06 |
None of what freddiedearie just said has any truth to it. Just asked Jacky if she knew of a Larry Kelly working at GL after Freddie passed and her response reads as follows: "I'll have to double check later I've got the names down in my files but out of the guys that were working security none were named Larry that I remember." A Google search pulls up nothing for Larry. Nobody has mentioned him in their books and everything 'he's is claiming is in direct contradiction to what Peter Freestone himself has said. Based on her words it's pretty clear she's one of these extremist Jim haters that makes stuff up to make him look bad. The women who claim he was an abuser and Mary was saintly. |
SM 29.04.2019 04:09 |
Jacky won't find a Larry Kelley in her files. That's why I called her our for making up fiction. |
thundergod 29.04.2019 04:18 |
Shaun, I agree. I am going to take a needed break from this too. |
Charlies boy 29.04.2019 04:27 |
Imagine being so homophobic that you make up whole lies to make the love of Freddie's life [a man] look bad. Oh and all his friend must be evil too huh. Too bad you didn't do the most basic of research before making up those fibs. Phoebe beat you to the punch and already told the truth in his books. To believe "Larry" is to claim Peter Freestone is a total liar. You managed to piss everyone off, make yourself look stupid and turn two important people off of this thread in one fell swoop. Nice. Ironic that you toss the phrase "so far up Hutton's ass" when you're so stuck up Mary's golden asshole that you did all this. And failed. Have a seat. |
Saint Jiub 29.04.2019 04:54 |
FreddieDearie wrote: SM, ThunderGod and Lee Nolan et al.. I've been watching this thread for quite a while. I have bantered with myself about posting what I'm about to, and have finally decided to go through with it. Shaun, I'm wondering if you remember my friend Larry Kelly, because he remembered you. Larry was working for a refurbishing company that specialized in water and fire damage and that company was hired by Jim Beach around the same time SM's security company was. He told me these details back in 1993, things that went on at Garden Lodge soon after Freddie had died. (and yes, he too had signed a NDA. Which is COMMON PRACTICE. Whining about that is ridiculous as any celebrity does this for their own protection.) This was before Huttons book was published. So, this was not in response to Hutton at the time. Larry, was also friendly with Joe Fanelli (both gay men from Massachsetts living in London). Larry's account is a little diffrent and not particularly flattering for some. He had told me back in 1993 (before Hutton's book came out), that his company had been hired because, "household members" had a combination birthday/goodbye-Freddie/fuck-you Mary party. They had been disappointed with the "boring Christmas" celebration in the wake of Freddie's death. He said that the house was trashed and damaged, major water damage and items had been stolen. To top it off, the security system had not been simply left off, the securty system had physically disabled and broken. Larry also said that the Shaun, (the security-house sitter who was hired to protect Mary's interests and HER property), the "chauffeur" (who I presume was Terry, but could be someone else) and Hutton had conspired to "remove" things from Garden Lodge and that Joe Fanelli knew of it and had told Larry. Fanelli had also told Larry that neither he nor Phoebe believed Hutton was ever really Freddie's boyfriend. (as we now know, despite Hutton's claims that Mary Austin would let him remove so much as a framed picture, he and Shaun have managed to "find" items to be sold at auction, including highly personal notes that no spouse would EVER put up for auction under ANY circumstances) He said, from his point of view, these men had been fighting *between themselves* to be Freddie's Favorite, and they were seethingly angry that Mary got the bulk of the estate and felt they deserved more. Especially Joe and Hutton because they felt that Freddie had infected them and they thought they would get more than Phoebe. Larry said that Joe and Hutton used to make fun of Phoebe and thought he was a dolt and a kiss-ass. ' THAT is why Mary had everyone move to the Mews. She, rightfully, no longer trusted them to take care of Freddie's property. He said that Beach said that if they could've kicked the three of them off the premises all together, they would have, but that because there were laws that required tenants be given 90 day notice to leave the premises, they didn't. They also didn't want any further scandal going on. Now, that's all I'm gonna say about this. I'm well aware than none of you have cause to believe me, a virtual stranger on the internet. You will take it or leave it as you wish. I suspect most of you will leave it as you're so far up Hutton's arse, that no facts or details can penetrate your logic. But I what I was told, by someone who had absolute ZERO conflict of interest. And at least the guilty know that someone else knows the real story.In case she deletes it ... it is documented here still for all to see . |
Perk 29.04.2019 06:29 |
NOT MY MESSAGE WAS SENT TO MY PM You just proved my point: Those "friends" are still making money of their kiss and tell episodes especially Phoebe. I wonder if Freddie would have loved it if a guy called Thor is giving interviews in atrocious docus talking about how often they had sex. And Jim's book was disgusting as well. Just plain proof that Freddie had some false friends. No go back asskissing these guys I received the above message (I don’t know how to do a quote in my PM from a troll and a homophobe. These trolls need to leave and let us have our thread in piece. I am sick of people trying to ruin things the same way they did when Freddie was alive making up lies because they refuse to accept the truth. |
Perk 29.04.2019 06:45 |
I hope SM and THUNDERGOD don’t let these trolls run them off. I have really enjoyed the experience and think it’s amazing. So many like to disparage what they don’t like. Larry is fiction considering Joe hated Mary and met with Jim before he died and said he’d tell Freddie everything that was happening at Garden Lodge. None of that stuff makes sense. Also what the hell are the odds that two gay guys from Massachusetts found themselves both involved in the world of Freddie Mercury. Larry is completely fiction and quit trying to ruin our thread. Move on please. You succeeded in running off the men we admire. Are you happy now? Leave. |
Perk 29.04.2019 06:45 |
I hope SM and THUNDERGOD don’t let these trolls run them off. I have really enjoyed the experience and think it’s amazing. So many like to disparage what they don’t like. Larry is fiction considering Joe hated Mary and met with Jim before he died and said he’d tell Freddie everything that was happening at Garden Lodge. None of that stuff makes sense. Also what the hell are the odds that two gay guys from Massachusetts found themselves both involved in the world of Freddie Mercury. Larry is completely fiction and quit trying to ruin our thread. Move on please. You succeeded in running off the men we admire. Are you happy now? Leave. |
Perk 29.04.2019 06:45 |
I hope SM and THUNDERGOD don’t let these trolls run them off. I have really enjoyed the experience and think it’s amazing. So many like to disparage what they don’t like. Larry is fiction considering Joe hated Mary and met with Jim before he died and said he’d tell Freddie everything that was happening at Garden Lodge. None of that stuff makes sense. Also what the hell are the odds that two gay guys from Massachusetts found themselves both involved in the world of Freddie Mercury. Larry is completely fiction and quit trying to ruin our thread. Move on please. You succeeded in running off the men we admire. Are you happy now? Leave. |
Perk 29.04.2019 06:45 |
I hope SM and THUNDERGOD don’t let these trolls run them off. I have really enjoyed the experience and think it’s amazing. So many like to disparage what they don’t like. Larry is fiction considering Joe hated Mary and met with Jim before he died and said he’d tell Freddie everything that was happening at Garden Lodge. None of that stuff makes sense. Also what the hell are the odds that two gay guys from Massachusetts found themselves both involved in the world of Freddie Mercury. Larry is completely fiction and quit trying to ruin our thread. Move on please. You succeeded in running off the men we admire. Are you happy now? Leave. |
Jo T. 29.04.2019 06:46 |
I am sorry. I feel rotten about the timing of my last post, blathering frivolously about some recent concert. Apparently, it immediately followed a very controversial post that I had not yet read @ the time. Somebody not too long ago had shared a link on the thread to humorist Dave Barry, formerly of "The Miami Herald." He wrote "Gossip is the most destructive force in the universe." He may be a humorist, but he certainly wasn't joking. |
Perk 29.04.2019 06:48 |
My bad I didn’t mean to post that like four times. |
Perk 29.04.2019 07:04 |
SM most of Freddie’s fans are good people. It just so happens that one bad apple will ruin everything. They do this everywhere on every website they believe the Queen PR Spin machine that Jim Beach and Mary are using. It’s really heart breaking that these people seem to be Freddie’s fans but instead like to spout lies they have no proof of. I want to apologize to you and THUNDERGOD and LEE. These fans are the exception but they are good at finding the right places to snake in and ruin everything. These aren’t fans these are homophobic pathetic people who believe things there is absolutely no evidence of. Just like that guy in my PM who was homophobic and I have way more evidence to disprove everything she or he says I’m sure she cannot produce one shred to prove her erroneous lies. There are always haters that like to ruin everyone’s fun. I’m trying to be civilized and mature about all of this and not stoop to their level. |
Perk 29.04.2019 07:24 |
It was a satire post about the argument of being bi or gay being a stupid argument and how it doesn’t matter. I find Freddie attractive. Freddie knew exactly what he was doing when he dressed in tight pants and leotards. My point was if you’d read the whole thing is why does it matter if he’s BI or GAY why is everyone so upset about that. He was gay I’m on board. not denying that but he was also attractive. Geez didn’t mean to cause such problems. That’s not what I want. |
Invisible Woman 29.04.2019 07:39 |
The number of pages scares me a bit. :D FreddieDearie attacks again. That person said same things in the comments on some videos on You Tube. It's the same person because always runs the same topics and posting in the same way. English is not my language but I clearly see that. What seems to me, FreddieDearie's biggest fact is that Jim wrote in the book that Joe apologized to Jim because Jim wasn't seen as Freddie's boyfriend but as just a gardener. To me, there is nothing controversial about it. This doesn't mean that men from Garden Lodge didn't realize that Freddie and Jim were partners and lovers, it just meant that Jim didn't misuse the fact that he was Freddie's boyfriend. Shaun, I hope that you will not give up on participating in this thread because of FreddieDearie. However, if you do this, it is your right. But, If you continue, (and Thor and Lee) I don't remember if there was any talk about it, sorry for that, I said that the number of pages scare me a little. :D Jim mentioned furniture that he made for Freddie and the furniture Freddie designed for Jim (coffe table I think) and personally decorated the bed in Jim's bedroom after they decided to have separeted bedrooms because Freddie became to frail. Did you see that furniture? Thanks. |
Perk 29.04.2019 07:56 |
CHEVY I sent you a PM I have one account this one royal tee just understood the object of my novel post. I did think it was long and would have loved to go edit it but I couldn’t. What Royal said was just the exact idea I was trying to make. Being gay is no different than having brown hair. It’s a trait. Many think it’s a choice or people can be coaxed into it by being around gay people. I think Freddie is attractive I said nothing dirty on purpose I didn’t mention anything that was overtly sexual. I’ll try to be less of a writer. Though that’s natural to me. Also, read a whole post before you comment on something I said in said post. If you can’t read the whole thing don’t comment. This truly is an older website because we can’t block trolls such as Freddie dearie and I can’t see how long my posts get sometimes. I also haven’t figured out how to “quote” someone. I post from my phone so the length sometimes goes way over and I can’t edit anything or see how long. |
Perk 29.04.2019 07:59 |
I also apologize for sending the same post 4 times I hav enonidea how that happened |
Perk 29.04.2019 08:01 |
If Thor and Sean are leaving then I might as well. Sorry my posts were so long I just had a to get of my chest. Nice chatting with some of you. I have no other account. I will be taking a break as well because I’m getting trolled for too many words. |
doughnut 29.04.2019 08:27 |
oh my days I really feeling upset about all of this. How has it come to this. I'm been thinking about the jim and Freddie relationship point you make and Jim Beach wanting the men out asap and then I wonder why they would have agreed to the blurb at the end of the film whereby it confirms Freddie & Jim had remained together in a loving relationship. If Jim Beach was pissed with them and boy he would have been if what this Larry is saying is true , then why would he ask Peter to help on the film and agree to feature Jim. It's known that Jim Beach is pretty ruthless and a bloody good lawyer so it just doesn't add up. Also why would Brain have said on UK TV one week after Freddie's death that Freddie had been in a loving and stable relationship and say such kind things when Jim passed away. Why were Jim, Peter and Terry invited to Queen conventions if they behaved the way you said they did? Why did Terry say that as a straight man, as far as he could tell it was love and that Jim gave Freddie the love he hadn't had for a long time. Freddie's friends have also spoken about Jim on the basis that they were a couple and Dave Evans features a thank you letter that Freddie had sent to his friend Gordon Atkinson which is signed from Freddie & Jim. Also I'm pretty sure the letter from Freddie to Jim was only unearthed after his death and was only then auctioned . As far as I can tell I have not seen any other letters from Freddie to Jim on the internet although there are at least five or six from Freddie to David Minns and a couple from Freddie to Joe. It's clear to me how much Peter loved Freddie and I really can't see him trashing the place and throwing a fuck you Mary party. As for saying Joe and Jim were angry at Freddie for giving them HIV/AIDS and that they thought they deserved more...I find this pretty sad as Money wouldn't have changed their situation . What you are saying basically makes things written in Peter's two books false and this is a man who worked with Freddie for 12 years ? I will say one negative thing, I didn't feel the jim/freddie relationship from Peter's point of view , it was things he said in his book. I have now put this down to something Shaun said and that Freddie hadn't really settled down with a man prior to Jim and given Freddie's track record they probably thought that Freddie would get bored and move on , therefore they didn't take the relationship that seriously. Although he did say in book two that 'it was clear to me no matter what had been said about Jim, he and Freddie had enjoyed a unique relationship . I didn't sign up for any of this, it's all just so crazy . I really am so disappointed if you are one of those Jim haters. |
doughnut 29.04.2019 08:35 |
Jo.T don't feel bad as you have done nothing wrong. I love that Pink had Freddie's name up in big lights. She rocks ! I will have a look out for her touring the UK, I do think she will manage to go on wires indoors , we have the O2 which is pretty good for this sort of thing. |
runner_70 29.04.2019 08:59 |
It is getting rather ridiculous by getting Pms with namecalling from those asskissers in this thread. It is clear to see that these two Clowns call themselves "friends of the innercircle" while being totally illoyal to Freddie as he cannot defend himself anymore. I do not belong to those that want to know how often Freddie had sex with a bloke. He was a musical genius who does not deserve those kiss and tell episodes. Phoebe and Jim did disgusting things after Freddies death: Uploading PRIVATE videos to youtube, Phoebe is making a living of Cooking books, kiss and tell stories etc. And "Mercury and me" was a disgusting illoyal book as well. And all this shittalking about Mary is a joke. You really think she manipulated him that he left her most of his estate? Laughable. Why should she keep Freddies friends in HER house ? Utter crap. And apart from one or two (rather tasteful) interviews she never did the kiss and tell like these atrocious clowns do on here or disgusting docus like "Freddie's loves"....They should be totally ashamed of themselves and what they do to their socalled friend who cannot defend himself anymore. Sad - just sad! |
doughnut 29.04.2019 09:45 |
I don't want to get into name calling and bitching here but here are my thoughts : Peter loves Freddie and just wants to keep the memory of the 'real' Freddie Mercury, the Freddie away from the spotlight as the showman, alive. He wants people to know what he was like in private which is the loyal, funny, gay man. Without Peter and even Jim we may never have of known what Freddie was really like. I think that even from interviews Freddie gave in the mid 80's he was starting to get tired of people assuming he was the same man in private as he was on stage. He said himself that he felt he always had to perform for everyone and he was worried if he was his real self people would think of him as boring. Peter just wants people to know that there was so much more to Freddie. I do agree in part that some of Freddies actions in respect of his sex life shouldn't have been shared but I don't think he meant to tarnish Freddie in any way. Also I'm sure that Thor has explained that they were duped with regards to that documentary and were assured certain things they had said would not be shown. It is so hard as many famous people end up having a biography written about them after death. It's people's fascination with famous people that leads to the books being written. Off course none of them would have said anything about Freddie's private life if he were still here. From jim's point of view, I feel he felt very frustrated to have been sweep under the carper after Freddie's death so I cannot blame him for wanting to tell his story. I don't think there really is anything that scandalous in his book and if you do or don't mind their sex life being mentioned is a matter of choice. It didn't go into detail about what they did in bed, if he had, then i'd agree. It is all so long ago now that is it worth all this negative talk. Thor and Lee came here to talk about their time with Freddie , their precious friend. They have been very respectful about what they have disclosed and they have been able to put some rumours to bed. John Murphy for example. lets move on and celebrate the amazing man that Freddie was instead of bitching about the people he chose to have in his life. peace out and now I am off to celebrate my daughters 16th :) |
doughnut 29.04.2019 10:17 |
OMG i have just realized it is the crazy Freddiedearie who posted the message....for some reason I thought it was our lovely FreddieDarling...so sorry and I can't tell you how relived I am its not you|! Thor and Shaun remember I put a warning on a few weeks back about this person so I really wouldn't let her ramblings scare you off. There are some real nutcases out there and she/he is one of them. Ignore the haters :) |
Invisible Woman 29.04.2019 10:19 |
runer_70-Of course, you have the right to your own opinion and you have the right not to be interested in Freddie's private life. But you don't have to condemn other members of Queenzone because they read this thread, participate in it often or sometimes. doughnut- You mentioned the movie and Jim in the movie. The fact is that there is no Phoebe and Joe in the movie. I believe that Jim Beach didn't want Jim Hutton in the movie too, but he could not to do it because of the fans over the world and everything that is known about Freddie and Jim. And we are known Jim was the very important or most important person in the last 6 or 7 years of Freddie's life. There are some negative reviews about Bohemian Rhapsody movie but if Jim wasn't in the movie, there would be more of those criticism. |
Perk 29.04.2019 10:33 |
Freddie was not ashamed of his sex life. He said once if a movie was made of his life it would be rated Xxx. I agree with whoever said Mercury and Me was written as respectfully as possible. Jim didn’t go into great detail. He told his story. It’s not just Freddie’s after all. Freddie had a naughty sense of humor about sexual things and he would talk about them. Well I can’t go over my length limit so that’s all |
doughnut 29.04.2019 10:39 |
Invisible doughnut- You mentioned the movie and Jim in the movie. The fact is that there is no Phoebe and Joe in the movie. I believe that Jim Beach didn't want Jim Hutton in the movie too, but he could not to do it because of the fans over the world and everything that is known about Freddie and Jim. And we are known Jim was the very important or most important person in the last 6 or 7 years of Freddie's life. There are some negative reviews about Bohemian Rhapsody movie but if Jim wasn't in the movie, there would be more of those criticism. Please know that I wasn't being critical , I was just trying to project a few things to this nasty FreddieDearie person. I am glad that Jim saw sense and allowed Jim Hutton to be built into the film. I do feel that given how much of an important role Peter played in Freddie's life, he was with him more or less 24 hours a day, he should have been included in the film. Hey ho what is done is done. |
mika251 29.04.2019 10:39 |
I would say that society in 2018 is much more tolerant to any gay related topic as it was back in 1991. Therefore it was no big problem to include Jim in the biopic. And of course you can't erase him from Freddie's life as it is a well known story now. In 1991 he was only a gardener in public eyes. |
runner_70 29.04.2019 10:42 |
Perk wrote: Freddie was not ashamed of his sex life. He said once if a movie was made of his life it would be rated Xxx. I agree with whoever said Mercury and Me was written as respectfully as possible. Jim didn’t go into great detail. He told his story. It’s not just Freddie’s after all. Freddie had a naughty sense of humor about sexual things and he would talk about them. Well I can’t go over my length limit so that’s allYou obviously did not read the book. It did not go into detail about his sex life but about his illness and how he peed himself in the end and stuff like that which is even more disgusting. I wonder who the nutcases in this thread are really... |
runner_70 29.04.2019 10:48 |
Funny getting pms with insults and accusations being "Homophobic" as I was the biggest BR movie hater because Freddie's life was shown as if he was hijacked to the dark side by his gay friends and the movie had an homophobic undertone. Nonetheless I hate it seeing Freddie being exploited 27 years later by socalled "friends" who even talk those down that were close to him like Rudy Dolezal or Mary Austin. How often were these "friends" around Freddie during his lifetime? Only those times when Freddie flew them over (obviously paying for their tickets as well) or if he was in NYC. They come across as if they were Freddie's main purpose in life, which always was the music. Dolezal was surely closer to Freddie than these illoyal clowns |
doughnut 29.04.2019 11:39 |
You obviously did not read the book. It did not go into detail about his sex life but about his illness and how he peed himself in the end and stuff like that which is even more disgusting. I wonder who the nutcases in this thread are really... I have read Jim Hutton's book. It's not nice hearing about the suffering one goes through at the end of their life having to cope with this awful virus but perhaps you could look upon it as education considering the sigma attached to it, especially in those times. It was an important part of Freddie's life at the end and it wouldn't have helped if Jim and Peter had skipped over this. To me that would look like they are trying to gloss over his illness. It's just not pretty and that is a fact of life. I will admit that I was shocked at Jim's description of the accident Freddie had but I soon got over that when I realized there is no happy ending. What Freddie went through was awful but it has only made me and I'm sure many others here admire him even more. What strength of character he had to battle AIDS whilst trying to live his life as normal , that is bloody amazing. So you see Freddie's legacy hasn't been darkened by these details, it's just shown us all what a strong , amazing man he was. Any snippet into the life of the legend is gratefully received, whether it's from people who worked with him or people that socialized with him, it gives us an overall view of his life from different view points. If you don't want to read a book by people you consider not worthy then that is fine, don't read it. |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 12:15 |
All this is getting out of hand I'm a joker by nature but if there is a circus it's what this thread is turning out to be.These two men loved Freddie very much .They arent making an assload of money off this book.One of the guys I know is retired .So I'm sure going through these old memories helps feel the day.When you are used to working in a demanding field it's hard to retire I'm sure.Its not a essay.Its a book.It takes time travel.By the time you add all these factors honey the $ dont compensate for all that.What is being said about them is very cruel and hurtful.I was raised to respect my elders no matter what.Where did those morals go? I guess they went out the window with this thread.By the way only one of these men were intimate with Freddie and if he wants to share that experience I think its fine.Its not a kiss and tell Its a book of memories and letting the world finally know he was a happy man with himself. |
The Squirrelly One 29.04.2019 12:20 |
From Jacky: "I searched the records and there were 2 different companies for security before 95 and there was no Larry working for either of them. He is not in any recorded paperwork. He did not sign a contract or gag order." Looks like you just got busted in your lie FreddieDarling. |
doughnut 29.04.2019 12:27 |
good going, thank you Squirrelly One So can we all now move on from that nasty lie and just ignore other negative comments from now? |
doughnut 29.04.2019 12:29 |
I'm off to make a cup of rosie lee with some nice chocolate biscuits lol |
FreddieDarling 29.04.2019 12:31 |
@The Squirrelly One. Check your facts, please. It was NOT me, but FreddieDearie who posted that claim about Larry Whatshisface. I'm keeping away from posting on the thread until things have calmed down and ceased to be the Squabbling Platform it has become of late, as it just isn't fun, but as I said before I cannot stand being accused of anything I have not done. Please address your corrections and chiding at the correct party. I pray this thread resumes to the way it used to be soon. The atmosphere is not pleasant right now. I fear until things improves Thor will be avoiding this thread. |
The Squirrelly One 29.04.2019 12:36 |
Your names are so similar I didn't do that on purpose. No need to tell me with an attitude friend. Sorry. She knows who she is. And she knows she got caught in a lie. |
Charlies boy 29.04.2019 12:39 |
TSO wasn't even the first one to make your username mistake. Chill the fuck out. That's probably why that Jim hating troll picked the name they did. So people would confuse it with another account here. Stop complaining and acting people are personally attacking you. No wonder Thor and Shaun want nothing to do with us anymore. |
FreddieDarling 29.04.2019 12:46 |
The Squrrely One , I'm sorry no attitude was intended. My apologies. I'm just a bit weary of the way the thread is running at the moment. Too much bickering and I find it troubling. I wished to make it plain that the post referring to Larry and to Jim and Freddie's relationship was not posted by me. I'm usually a "lurker" and for the time being I'll resume my hermit profile. |
doughnut 29.04.2019 12:54 |
I'm sorry it was me who mentioned that I mistook FreddieDarling for the nasty person. It is the names, so flipping similar ...urrrrrrr my bad but I did say how relieved I was :) as I said lets resume normal nice chat from now :) |
doughnut 29.04.2019 13:31 |
last post from me lol Thor if I dress up as 'Little Debbie' will you come back ? :) :) :) |
runner_70 29.04.2019 14:00 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: All this is getting out of hand I'm a joker by nature but if there is a circus it's what this thread is turning out to be.These two men loved Freddie very much .They arent making an assload of money off this book.One of the guys I know is retired .So I'm sure going through these old memories helps feel the day.When you are used to working in a demanding field it's hard to retire I'm sure.Its not a essay.Its a book.It takes time travel.By the time you add all these factors honey the $ dont compensate for all that.What is being said about them is very cruel and hurtful.I was raised to respect my elders no matter what.Where did those morals go? I guess they went out the window with this thread.By the way only one of these men were intimate with Freddie and if he wants to share that experience I think its fine.Its not a kiss and tell Its a book of memories and letting the world finally know he was a happy man with himself.Excactly-where did those morals go???? You should ask the threadstarter on here. Where did the morals go NOT talking about intimate details about someone famous' life that this person surely would not want to be discussed in an open fan forum. Where are those morals when it comes to a book that is describing a PRIVATE illness in all its ugly details??? I am sure there was a reason why Freddie told the public about his illness one day before his passing. This thread reads like a bad Daily Mail article. That "Freddie's loves docu" is at the same level. If they were told not everything was shown in the docu why telling these intimate PRIVATE details in the first place then??? Think first then talk. Disgusting behaviour of those "friends". The icing on the cake is collecting money for a kiss and tell book in the name of their deceased friend with PRIVATE pictures not intended for public use. By accident at a time where Queen is at a popular high due to the movie. Everyone with a lil common sense and MORAL should be ashamed of actions like this |
The Squirrelly One 29.04.2019 14:21 |
Someone messaged and clarified that FreddieDearie claimed "Larry" worked for a refurbishing company not security. I asked Jacky again. She responded there was no damage to the house and they did not have a refurbishing company come by. They had an auction house rep come by to evaluate the items in the house and a vet for the koi. Outside of that and security there was nobody. So what...we were expected to believe an imaginary refurbishing company worker that isn't named or listed anywhere was really close enough to Joe that Joe would have told him the polar opposite of what he and Peter Freestone told everyone else? These Mary obsessed people are really mentally unstable to create lies like this. Please seek medical help. |
The Squirrelly One 29.04.2019 14:24 |
Runner you're entitled to your own opinion. But all joking and everything aside, why continue to be here and annoy everyone with the same comments if you don't like what Thor is doing? Really, what is the point? We all know how you feel. Nobody is going to change your mind and nobody is going to change Thor's so why keep coming here and arguing with people about it? |
emdee0809 29.04.2019 14:31 |
Thank you for the clarification. It is a shame that it has come to this. There are good, decent, people on this thread that know the truth and have to find themselves constantly defending themselves. "Is This The World We Created" Although this song speaks of poverty and social imbalance, I can't help but think the song would take on a completely different meaning in the world today. |
doughnut 29.04.2019 14:46 |
I'm pretty sure Freddie didn't reveal his AIDS diagnosis sooner to protect those around him and to protect the band and more important his parents and sister. The same that he felt he couldn't come out openly that he was gay. Freddie was an intelligent man so he would have known that the press would have gone into overdrive once it was released and they did. He knew it was highly likely it would be discussed but he knew he wouldn't be around to see it all. It's a shame that you feel Freddie's aids being discussed is so bad, the more that is known, especially at that time, the better to try and educate. Yes it's harsh but as I've said its reality. Freddie isn't here anymore so it can't hurt him. It hasn't changed my view of Freddie , why would it! I stand by what I said; he was an amazing man. I am very much looking forward to Thor's book and the photo's that are private belong to Lee so he can do what he wants with them. If you go back a fair few pages, Lee or Thor said that Freddie more or less told him to show the world the photos. Enjoy the rest of your day/night/evening :) SquirrellyOne...again thank you. Once I realized who it was I knew straight away it was a load of rubbish. It's a shame people have to come along and spoil things here. Some people seem to go to such drastic lengths to discredit Jim and Freddie's relationship and Peter and Joe's relationship with Freddie. Shaun please take no notice |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 16:22 |
Doughnut,I'm signing off for now. I urge everyone else to do the same and let all the rats eat each other alive.I agree with you on your post you make a very valid point . |
FreddieDearie 29.04.2019 17:02 |
Ha. "Bitch"?. Interesting. Just EXACTLY what I would expect from one of the jealous sexist men at Garden Lodge to react. Jim taught you well. You want that badly to make lies to smear Ms Austin that you'll throw Freddie under the bus for it? You need serious help. I'm not a fan of Mary for different reasons. But I do know that the story I shared is true. I don't expect the HuttonFreaks here to believe my post and don't care. Their heads are so far up their own arses they don't know wtf is going on. I admit, this was primarily for you. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE SAID HERE IS TRUE. I know this is the truth, you know this is the truth. And no amount of flailing by you here is going to make that disappear. FreddieDearie ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; SM Freddiedearie your post is bullshit and wildly insulting. You know absolutely nothing about what went on there and who the fuck was "whining" about signing anything for my contract? Sorry but I'm lost for words. You're claiming I and Jim were thieves? Really? What a bitch. That's all for me folks. Mr Mercury's fans are just not the warm bunch I was hoping they are. I won't be posting here anymore. It's one thing to post a comment. It's another entirely to create total fiction and insinuate I bitched about signing what I was asked to sign and call me a fucking thief. You're disgusting. You want that badly to make lies to excuse Ms Austin's behaviour that you'll throw others under the bus for it? You need real help. Cheers. ............................................... Posted: 29 Apr 19, 03:02 SM, ThunderGod and Lee Nolan et al.. I've been watching this thread for quite a while. I have bantered with myself about posting what I'm about to, and have finally decided to go through with it. Shaun, I'm wondering if you remember my friend Larry Kelly, because he remembered you. Larry was working for a refurbishing company that specialized in water and fire damage and that company was hired by Jim Beach around the same time SM's security company was. He told me these details back in 1993, things that went on at Garden Lodge soon after Freddie had died. (and yes, he too had signed a NDA. Which is COMMON PRACTICE. Whining about that is ridiculous as any celebrity does this for their own protection.) This was before Huttons book was published. So, this was not in response to Hutton at the time. Larry, was also friendly with Joe Fanelli (both gay men from Massachsetts living in London). Larry's account is a little diffrent and not particularly flattering for some. He had told me back in 1993 (before Hutton's book came out), that his company had been hired because, "household members" had a combination birthday/goodbye-Freddie/fuck-you Mary party. They had been disappointed with the "boring Christmas" celebration in the wake of Freddie's death. He said that the house was trashed and damaged, major water damage and items had been stolen. To top it off, the security system had not been simply left off, the securty system had physically disabled and broken. Larry also said that the Shaun, (the security-house sitter who was hired to protect Mary's interests and HER property), the "chauffeur" (who I presume was Terry, but could be someone else) and Hutton had conspired to "remove" things from Garden Lodge and that Joe Fanelli knew of it and had told Larry. Fanelli had also told Larry that neither he nor Phoebe believed Hutton was ever really Freddie's boyfriend. (as we now know, despite Hutton's claims that Mary Austin would let him remove so much as a framed picture, he and Shaun have managed to "find" items to be sold at auction, including highly personal notes that no spouse would EVER put up for auction under ANY circumstances) He said, from his point of view, these men had been fighting *between themselves* to be Freddie's Favorite, and they were seethingly angry that Mary got the bulk of the estate and felt they deserved more. Especially Joe and Hutton because they felt that Freddie had infected them and they thought they would get more than Phoebe. Larry said that Joe and Hutton used to make fun of Phoebe and thought he was a dolt and a kiss-ass. ' THAT is why Mary had everyone move to the Mews. She, rightfully, no longer trusted them to take care of Freddie's property. He said that Beach said that if they could've kicked the three of them off the premises all together, they would have, but that because there were laws that required tenants be given 90 day notice to leave the premises, they didn't. They also didn't want any further scandal going on. Now, that's all I'm gonna say about this. I'm well aware than none of you have cause to believe me, a virtual stranger on the internet. You will take it or leave it as you wish. I suspect most of you will leave it as you're so far up Hutton's arse, that no facts or details can penetrate your logic. But I what I was told, by someone who had absolute ZERO conflict of interest. And at least the guilty know that someone else knows the real story. |
Galileo1564 29.04.2019 17:31 |
A propos of nothing, I share this quote from a facebook friend today: If you didn’t see it with your own eyes, or hear it with your own ears, don’t invent it with your small mind and share it with your big mouth! |
mariah carey 29.04.2019 17:43 |
The homophobia in some of these posts is appalling... How can you be a fan of Freddie and be so judgemental? And what a way to ruin a nice thread with people who were close friends with Freddie and Jim |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 18:48 |
Sm ,I get what you are saying I'm sick Of it to.I cant believe the way some of these men talk to ladies.I sure dont know where these people are coming from.I think they want to destroy anything good.They cant change the truth and that's what is trying to be covered up.The man was advertising the truth everytime he stepped on that stage people were just to blind to see.Very sad that he gave so much to the world friends and even strangers and this mess is what happens. |
thundergod 29.04.2019 19:37 |
Runner...illoyal? We already went through this a hundred pages back. The word is DISLOYAL. But since your gripe about Lee and myself has been the exact SAME rant for nearly 2 years, it figures you would still misspell the same word (even after you thanked me for correcting for you) Somehow, HOPELESS comes to mind regarding you . |
Katydyd5 29.04.2019 19:38 |
I have enjoyed posting on this thread since November of 2017. It was so much fun to get to know Thor and Lee and many of the other posters. Though we had some trouble with trolls, we had a strong policy of isolate and ignore that always worked. We also respected each other's opinions and allowed for differences in those opinions. Unfortunately I have seen the thread become far less welcoming over the last several weeks. Apparently now we engage with trolls, say terribly hurtful things to other posters with whom we don't agree, and believe in conspiracy theories where people are changing their names with abandon. Abusive and mocking language has become the norm. Some of the newer people may not recognize this, but several lovely people have left because their views are simply different from the louder posters. Posting now means running the risk of ridicule. I have stayed because I have made some nice friends here, but the behavior here has changed to where I feel less welcome and must hide some of my thoughts. It saddens me to see so much right-fighting. Far more people have lost from the current atmosphere than have gained from the change in civility. I feel for all who came here to learn and share with a feeling of safety, not always apparent on the other QZ threads. I feel for Thor and Lee who were so kind in sharing stories of our beloved Freddie. Every once in a while I see a glimmer of hope as someone tries to turn the narrative in a positive direction again. Maybe it can still be saved. |
doughnut 29.04.2019 20:01 |
katy I have tried today but I have been unsuccessful. I was always a lurker so I have seen many that used to post in here and no longer do. Such a shame. Not engaging is the best way forward, even though it is hard with nasty, upsetting comments . The ones here that care, and that is me, should continue to chat. I have enjoyed my short time here and would be sad to see it stop :) |
koala 29.04.2019 20:10 |
@Katydyd5, couldn't agree more. This is just depressing. I think this thread would be a lot more friendly if everyone focused on celebrating Freddie and sharing stories with the help of Thor and Lee (which, I believe, is the point of the thread anyway), rather than constantly bringing up the same old controversial topics over and over and over again ad nauseam (Mary, sexuality, B.V., etc.) that cause nothing but bad blood. If you want to keep beating these dead horses, there are about a billion other threads on this forum you can do it in. Do we really need to ruin what has been built here over the last two years for bs like that? As for the trolls, ignoring them has proven to be the best strategy in the past. Thor, I understand this thread must feel very hostile right now, but I sincerely hope you stay with us. |
thundergod 29.04.2019 20:12 |
I went against my own rule of non-engagement and isolation. I regret that and will work hard to curb that. I was a little weak I guess. |
doughnut 29.04.2019 20:24 |
right then Thor (Thundergod with muscles ) you start by cheering us up with a fab New York Daughters post :) Tell us why didn't Freddie dance in the clubs considering how active he was on stage? Jim said in his book that they would have a boogie from time to time in the early days of their relationship so he must have danced a bit |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 20:35 |
Your not weak Thor Its called being human. |
The Squirrelly One 29.04.2019 20:53 |
It's already been proven that this Larry person doesn't exist and never was at Garden Lodge yet FreddieDearie is still here ranting about it like she just unearthed a gold coin. That's seriously scary. I knew some of the Mary obsessed fans were crazy but this is something truly frightening. I think she may actually believe her own lies. That's something people with serious mental illness do. That's not even funny. Not to mention FreddieDearie your own comments don't even make sense. You're trying to witty by taking Shaun's words and twisting them (under the bus quote) but it made no sense. My friend Jen got a response from Peter Freestone this afternoon about this. His reply is as follows "There was never a refurbishing company there. I certainly never said that about Jim nor did Joe. I don't know a Larry." How are you really still here making those claims when you know people are going to check it out with those who were actually there? |
The Squirrelly One 29.04.2019 20:57 |
Thor I do fear that this thread is no longer safe after seeing this. My heart goes out to those with mental illnesses but this is truly unsettling. If they lie about him this bad whats stopping them from doing the same about you and Lee? This thread gets seen anytime a publisher considers you and is one Google search away. This is not your fault but these extremist people can never just let the fans enjoy anything. |
Charlies boy 29.04.2019 21:11 |
Thor I sent you an urgent pm |
Perk 29.04.2019 21:37 |
I didn’t join to hear the same back and forth fighting as I hear other places. At least most other places you can block people or ignore them. I have seen some really long posts since I posted mine. I will just be reading from now on since my posts are too long. I think Freddiedearie lecturing anyone on morals is completely laughable and runner you seem to think that Freddie was ashamed of his sex life. He wasn’t. Don’t be holier than thou when you don’t know the person you are talking about. This Larry person is bs as the lady who keeps records told us. What an odd job he had to be talking to Joe that much. Joe who was so mad at Mary Austin he couldn’t even cry. Death is not dignified. Sometimes soiling the bed comes with a horrible painful disease. You haven’t done end of life care apparently or you would know. If you can come up with one argument or source that anyone can prove please I’m open to hearing it. Second RUNNER you don’t get to come on a board about an openly gay man and lecture anyone about morals. Freddie was a charismatic person who was famous of course his fans want to know more about him than just his music. Peter Freestone is as kind a person as you’ll meet. Thor is as well. Lee I haven’t talked to but seems so. If you were really concerned you would both leave here and let us alone in or immorality. But no you have your heads so far up MARY AUSTIN’s ass you can’t help but spout bs. Enjoy your hatred and homophobia because being gay was as much of Freddie as being a genius musician. It is disgusting how you have come on here and upset Thor who does this because he’s kind and Sean who was PROVEN to be there with this Larry person. He was there to redo the koi pond. So how does that make it where he became BFF with Joe. And you keep changing your story like people making things up do. I mean they have records of EVERYONE hired for Garden Lodge and you are fighting it? Larry is fictional and Joe was just as important as Peter and they BOTH knew if not understood that Jim was important to Freddie. Come back with something other than your how dare we bs and some actual truths that can’t be disproven until then go spout your hate somewhere else. Oh wait! You can’t! Everywhere else people can block you and have. You are both part of the PR machine that doesn’t want Freddie’s life discussed he told his band and his friends Joe and Peter tell it all “warts and all” as long as it’s the truth. You are the one spreading lies and making up random koi pond refurbishers. You’ve been caught in a lie. So it’s time for my scathing attack since I called you out. I’ll be at home laughing at your degree of pathetic. Cheers |
Rainbow61 29.04.2019 21:39 |
doughnut...I have always wondered the same thing about Freddie's dancing. I get that he thought he was not a good ballet dancer...after all, it takes years of hard training to achieve excellence with that form of dance. But club dancing...that never seemed too difficult as anyone can stand on a dance floor and swing their hips and move their arms to the music. Freddie moved so effortlessly on stage and could even twirl...he must have been at least as good as the average person on a dance club floor. Maybe it was more a matter of him feeling self-conscious...not wanting to draw attention to himself? I also think he liked being an observer. Thor...were you also shy about dancing or did you get out there and boogie with the rest of the crowd? Remember Van McCoy's song "The Hustle" and subsequent line dance of the same name...did you ever do that? It came out in 1975. Katydyd5...bravo! |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 21:42 |
Squirileyone, I'm not a Big fan of Mary Austin and yes I have been threatened by many people that hide behind many faces and names.However, I'm learning to understand not everyone feels the same way I do about Mary and I try not to offend them and if I do send me a message.They Have every right to their opinion the same as me. |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 21:55 |
Runner,, I didnt realise till today sweet heart you must love Thor and Lee cause you been hanging around for a couple of years .Be honest you think Thor is cute me too!I get it I'm a guy also.Let me tell you a secret though your stalking asswhole behavior isn't the way to get noticed.Be sweet this is such a nice place to talk so grow some balls chill and if you cant play nice on the playground Im gonna have to put you in time out. |
GwenMezroe 29.04.2019 22:13 |
Here to show support for Thor, Lee and Shaun. I took the time to read tons of books on Queen and Freddie, watch lots of interviews, and read ALL of BOTH of the Thor and Lee threads here so I feel pretty confident in my ability to separate truth and lies. I am so grateful for the stories and insight they have shared here. This thread is often dragged down rabbit holes but it's great when Thor, Lee, Shaun, Villiers2 and a few others contribute factual information. Even with all the trolling and side conversations that would be better suited for Private Messages, this thread has been useful to new fans so your time and contributions weren't wasted. I hope you all (Thor, Lee and SM) come back. |
Selkie 29.04.2019 22:14 |
I just wanted to chime in and show my support to Thor, Shaun, and Lee. I hope you'll decide to stay around because we love hearing from you. Keep sharing the stories, keep sharing the love. I can't help but think of the MLK quote "Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." There are terrible, horrible people out there in the world, and on this board, but they do not have to define us or our experience here. I think Thor has the best idea, isolate and ignore them. Let them rant themselves into a fucking stupor. Let the rest of us get on with enjoying each other and all the wonderful amazing things that Freddie brought to the world. |
FMLOVER 29.04.2019 23:33 |
Hi Thor When do you think your book will be published? |
CHEVYMAN 29.04.2019 23:44 |
Fmlover,Thor and Lee are taking a little break for the forum right now they would be glad to answer your question in a few days.But welcome to the forum. |
queenbuzz 30.04.2019 00:24 |
Is anyone watching this documentary with me on ABC The Show Must Go on: The Queen and Adam Lambert Story? |
Deedree 30.04.2019 00:42 |
I am a newbie here and I have spent the last few weeks reading all this amazing info from Thor and Lee How blessed we are to have this! I particularly loved what Thor said about driving in the car in NY listening to Africa and Rosanna and how Freddie loved certain parts in those songs I can see it in my head - so sweet! (Ser- en - geti - lol) I love that bit myself hahaha I am a relatively new fan compared to most of you as I have only loved Queen and Freddie since the early 80s - around 1983 I recall. Back to reading this thread now, its so enthralling! I cannot wait for your book Thor and Lee - I donated to the Go Fund me cause a while back. Love you guys!! (mwah!!) |
The Black Queen's Kid 30.04.2019 00:43 |
I'm heartbroken by the turn this forum has taken of late. I don't know what the catalyst was to throw everything into such a negative direction. Can we please start over with a commitment to civility? Our wonderful folks willing to share their experiences with Mr. Mercury and his friends have meant so much to many of us and they deserve respect. Everyone posting here legitimately deserves respect. Trolls be damned - you deserve a painful death by fire. Maybe a deep breath and shot of Stoli will get us back to a place of decency. In any event, I will support Thor and Lee in their publishing venture. You gentlemen are wonderful for crafting a volume to give us a glimpse into the "real" Freddie - not the stage persona. Your work is important and needs to go forward. History has so much nonsense and many false narratives. We love you for your honesty and integrity. If this is where the forum ends because of idiots we will all mourn its passing. Perchance we can all find a different venue in which to chat that would eliminate bullshit from useless trolls. No matter what the outcome, I thank you all (minus trolls) for your obvious dedication to Freddie. If we think and speak of him often then he's still with us. Peace be with you. |
The Black Queen's Kid 30.04.2019 00:47 |
P.S. - you bastards made me cry. :,| |
Blenkolove 30.04.2019 00:50 |
Queenbuzz..... I am watching The Show Must Go On!! It's almost surreal to see clips of Freddie popping up on my big Screen!!!!.....Not much of an Adam lover......But maybe this will change my mind???? Just adore seeing Brian and Roger too.....but seeing Deaky makes me REALLY miss him. I wish him well and respect that his stepping down must have been the right decision for him. |
queenbuzz 30.04.2019 00:58 |
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Deedree 30.04.2019 01:30 |
I am so saddened to read of the vicious lies that have been posted here lately - I have just caught up with it all. Is there not a way to block these people from the forum? I am admin on a Freddie Facebook page and we just block any trolls like this one, wish we could do that here! Is there anyone monitoring these vile comments that are being made? Obviously not. It is so sad as this was a happy thread filled with beautiful memories that Thor and Lee chose to share with us. Please don't go guys!! We can get past this... |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 01:37 |
This whole thing saddens me as well they got what they wanted.They didnt want new younger fans to know the truth.The older crowd knows the truth but anyone born 1985 on up probably doesnt because they were too young or not born when he passed.So this would be an opportunity for this generation that is far more accepting of each other to keep changing our world.So everyone can be excepted for who they are.I truly believe the book being published would give our young people another side of his story.By the way I truly hope Thor and Lee still do their thing with Villers on utube .That is gonna crack the ceiling.I think they will they have tough skins to survive all these years they have had to be tough.To me accepting someone is such an easy thing to do what's wrong with our society why is there shame in what God created? |
Blenkolove 30.04.2019 01:42 |
.......i may have been hasty in my not liking Adam!! He Is Talented. Honestly I wouldn't like anyone other than Freddie to be lead singer for Queen!!......that being said....i am warming up to him a wee bit. After viewing this tv special....i AM leaning towards the idea that Freddie would have liked Adam Lambert. |
NotQuiteAShilling 30.04.2019 01:46 |
I am chiming in to say how UPSET I am about what is happening here!!!! What happened to the RESPECT people??? These are FRIENDS of Freddie. Wow. Thor, Lee, and Shaun - I am sorry for what has been happening on this thread. There are a lot of really good people here. I hope you return after a break. |
queenbuzz 30.04.2019 01:46 |
Blenkenlove, I replied earlier but I still can't seem to do it right the first time. I have the large big screen TV going too. I started watching very skeptical but am warming a bit. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 01:57 |
Wow BlackQueen'sKid, I think YOU are more upset about this thing than even I am. I was moved by your words and realized I should not give up. Give me 24hours away and I will come back with a new positive attitude. Thank all you others who have been encouraging to us as well. All is not lost...back to Ignore and Isolate...I hope not to slip-up again. |
emdee0809 30.04.2019 01:59 |
"Thoughts On Thor Arnold and Lee Nolan's Eleven-Year Friendship With Freddie" This is the title of the thread that brought me to this forum. This is why I am still here. This is what I will patiently wait for, and hopefully hear more about; an 11-year friendship with the man everyone on here adores. I will forever be grateful to all those who personally knew Freddie, and so bravely shared their stories on a public forum where everyone and anyone can take a shot at what you say. Hopefully, all of the good in the forum will overtake the bad. Peace |
Blenkolove 30.04.2019 02:23 |
We, the True lover's of Freddie, ARE Strong! We have overcome troll-skullduggery before....we can do it again!!!! Let's keep stitching pieces of our 'For the Love of Freddie' quilt together! It certainly does Not feel like our quilt is complete yet!! Thor, Lee, SM and All the good people of QZ......we patiently await your return!!! .....Let's all take a deep breath and remember the Parsi creed......Good Thoughts, Good WORDS, and Good Deeds!!! |
Jo T. 30.04.2019 04:01 |
Blenkolove wrote: We, the True lover's of Freddie, ARE Strong! We have overcome troll-skullduggery before....we can do it again!!!! Let's keep stitching pieces of our 'For the Love of Freddie' quilt together! It certainly does Not feel like our quilt is complete yet!! Thor, Lee, SM and All the good people of QZ......we patiently await your return!!! .....Let's all take a deep breath and remember the Parsi creed......Good Thoughts, Good WORDS, and Good Deeds!!! |
Jo T. 30.04.2019 04:11 |
Damn it, QZ! You aren't cooperating again. I only wanted to carry over the last sentence and you devoured my message, too. Pardon my language. I agree, Blenko! Brava(o), Katydyd5 (You always come through!), doughnut, BQK and others, too! I second all your sentiments. The best part about logging into QZ so late every night is that I don't have to compose any original thoughts! LOL My blood ran cold last night, and I thought I was fairly immune online. I almost wanted to bow out of QZ. Thor, between the recent San Diego-area synagogue shooting in the REAL world of your neck of the woods and the recent online drama on the thread, was your faith in humanity sorely tested? I don't blame you for needing a break. Enjoy some "mental health" days! I hope that your faith in humanity is restored upon your return. |
Jo T. 30.04.2019 04:11 |
Damn it, QZ! You aren't cooperating again. I only wanted to carry over the last sentence and you devoured my message, too. Pardon my language. I agree, Blenko! Brava(o), Katydyd5 (You always come through!), doughnut, BQK and others, too! I second all your sentiments. The best part about logging into QZ so late every night is that I don't have to compose any original thoughts! LOL My blood ran cold last night, and I thought I was fairly immune online. I almost wanted to bow out of QZ. Thor, between the recent San Diego-area synagogue shooting in the REAL world of your neck of the woods and the recent online drama on the thread, was your faith in humanity sorely tested? I don't blame you for needing a break. Enjoy some "mental health" days! I hope that your faith in humanity is restored upon your return. |
Jo T. 30.04.2019 04:23 |
OMG, I'm sorry for the 2x. Perhaps I shouldn't curse the Web site. You get what you paid for, right? LOL |
lsg 30.04.2019 04:31 |
thundergod wrote: Back to my nap.Hahahaha, retirement is the bomb! Go man go! Wish I could nap.....period. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 04:38 |
I may be losing my mind, but is Adam Lambert's gayness being supported. And Jim Beach produced this? Wow, things have changed since the movie. |
Deedree 30.04.2019 05:01 |
Hmmm that is a bit ironic, and you are meant to be having a 24 hour break aren't you, quick 24 hours that was Thor - can't help yourself? lol |
thundergod 30.04.2019 05:04 |
I just watched the Queen + Adam Lambert special on TV. I thought it was handled surprisingly well.. |
matt z 30.04.2019 05:10 |
thundergod wrote: I just watched the Queen + Adam Lambert special on TV. I thought it was handled surprisingly well..Ditto. It wasn't all lip service (save for the unnecessary ABC correspondent) and it was balanced and nuanced. I hope your thread gets back on the rails and the project gets a greenlight! Only gripe is there weren't many contemporaries as talking heads.soon that part was a disguised commercial for mass audiences and didn't include folks like metallica, Bruce Dickinson, rob halford, Iommi etc. It WAS appealing to over 40's DEF LEPPARD fans because that was all there. Oh well. So little time! |
thundergod 30.04.2019 05:19 |
Good to see you again Matt Z. Our two year anniversary is rapidly approaching! HaHaHa |
Rainbow61 30.04.2019 05:23 |
Hi Thor, I also watched the Queen + Adam Lambert special on TV tonight and enjoyed it quite a bit. I wasn't sure what to expect at first...but was very happy they had clips of Freddie throughout the show and even happier that many of the clips showed Freddie's great sense of humor. Freddie still sparkles! (As usual though, I get a bit teary when I see Freddie on the concert screen behind the guys) |
Perk 30.04.2019 06:27 |
I missed it *cries* it will be on Hulu tomorrow |
Perk 30.04.2019 06:30 |
Am I the only one who noticed in all the concerts (tours) Freddie sings Somebody to Love. Except in the Magic Tour cause he already had :) |
doughnut 30.04.2019 06:32 |
I need to figure out how I can watch it as I think it was just for US TV, on channel ABC? Sounds as thought it was worth the watch. Did they feature much of Freddie ? Thor, Adam was already out wasn't he when he started with Queen, perhaps that is the difference? I read somewhere that he was started from winning American Idol because he was shown kissing a man a week before the final. Not sure how true this is ? It seems he was kind of shown in a bad light to those anti gay ? JO.T Thank you |
doughnut 30.04.2019 06:33 |
Stopped not started |
Deedree 30.04.2019 07:03 |
I am in Australia don't think it screened here oh well..... |
cazgeorge 30.04.2019 08:25 |
Hi, I'm new to forums, I see there's lots of reading to catch up on! Not sure where to start ?? |
back.chat 30.04.2019 08:27 |
Just here to show some love, in particular to Shaun, Thor and Lee <3 |
koala 30.04.2019 10:13 |
I'm relieved the conversation here seems to be taking a positive turn again :-) thanks for not giving up on us, Thor. The Queen + AL special sounds interesting. I did a little googling and apparently, it should be available to watch on the abc's website a week from now, here's the link: link |
doughnut 30.04.2019 10:20 |
Koala thank you for the link, I shall look forward to watching it next week :) |
Freddienotfreddy 30.04.2019 10:36 |
I really enjoyed the Queen x Adam Lambert special tonight. I adore Roger Taylor. He completely ran out of F**ks to give about 40 years ago. He was the only that had to bleeped several times during the show. I also thought the show was very open about Freddie which I liked and feel settles a lot of the controversy regarding the Queen machine supposedly wanting to erase the fact the Freddie was gay. While no one will ever touch Freddie, Adam is a seriously talented man and I love that he has put his own interpretation on the songs. He shows Freddie respect without trying to be a Freddie imitator. Anyway, I'm more impatient than ever waiting for July 24 when the concert comes Houston. |
Katydyd5 30.04.2019 11:27 |
I, too, watched the Queen+Al special last night and thought it was very well done. I don't watch American Idol though I was certainly aware of Adam. It took me a while to come around to accepting him with Queen, but I've been fine with him for a while. After the special last night I'm so excited to be seeing them in concert in August. I was delighted to see so much of Freddie throughout the program. I've always loved that David Wigg interview because Freddie's personality shines through. His eyes sparkle and his humor and laugh are evident throughout. I'm glad the power that is Queen continues on!! |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 11:28 |
Positive energy people looking good. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 11:50 |
katy glad that you can now accept Adam ; I am not at the point yet where I am keen on hearing Adam singing Queen songs with Brain and Roger. I watched a clip that I found from the show and I just find it so odd watching Adam singing. Maybe once I get the see the show next week I will change my mind. FreddienotFreddy good to hear the myth that Queen machine are trying to hide Freddie's sexuality is not the case. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 12:13 |
Doughnut,Its hard for me too to look at Adam on stage with Queen but I have to say he is a talented guy..Music is a huge part of Brain and Roger's life and I think they chose wisely. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 12:29 |
Honey,welcome we are glad you are here. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 12:55 |
Thor,It Looks like he is being supported .This young generation is changing our world for the better.I think Jim Beach has no choice.I think Adam is a very talented artist and comfortable with himself.He's not a bad looking guy either what do you think???? |
emdee0809 30.04.2019 13:00 |
Was I the only one in the United States on this forum that didn't watch this last night - LOL? I was not home - I did record it - glad to hear the good reviews. Looking forward to watching later. A lot of good vibrations today - ( hope no one offended with the Beach Boys reference today - that's for our California boys!!!!) Good to hear from Thor SM - I hope you are still with us!! |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 13:04 |
Um...the queen machine hiding Freddie's sexuality absolutely was the case. It's literally discussed in the great pretender doc and we all know Freddie was asked to being Mary to public events throughout the 70s and 80s. As far as it happening even now...how else would explain that bio pic (Mary shrine) if not to downplay being gay and being happy as a gay man? |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 13:07 |
Also thank fuck the tone of this thread is better now. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 13:23 |
Emdee,Hello I didnt't watch it either.Everyone says it was good.So I'm sure it was.I'm glad Brian and Roer have good health and are able to keep doing what they love.I"m sad John isn't with them though but I understand. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 13:26 |
Charles, We are on the road to recovery thank God.I sound like a drug rehab center.Glad to hear from you too. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 13:53 |
The great pretender documentary- not the John Blunt one by the same name- was good and did touch his gayness and why he tried to hide it but there was another one with David Wigg where he says "The production company knew they were about to come into a lot of money and that wasn't going to happen if everyone knew he was gay. They didn't want him to be out." I don't remember what documentary that was but I bet you anything Villiers knows. |
GwenMezroe 30.04.2019 14:10 |
Dustin, I'm not sure if this is the only documentary containing that quote, but I know it's found in the Freddie Mercury - Magic Remixed documentary. It's available on YouTube. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 14:14 |
Dustin that is interesting, I wonder what the documentary was ? Chevyman ..sorry Adam doesn't do it for me lol . There is no one like Freddie but I guess Adam is doing good for a generation of new fans and older ones who still want to see Brain and Roger in action and enjoy the music. I showed my 11 year old a video of Adam singing and asked her opinion as I thought it would be interesting what she would say seeing as she knows neither that well. She said Freddie ....that's my girl lol . I didn't put her under any pressure.....promise lol Emdee I'm being teased left ,right and centre on Queen/Freddie groups as lots of fans are in the US and have seen it......frustrationing Freddienotfreddy what was it that left you with the impression that there is no hiding of Freddie's sexuality or are you referring to Adam. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 14:17 |
The Magic Remixed doc has the clip with David Wigg in which David asked 'can I say you are in a relationship with a man'? Freddie replied 'no,' your mustn't ' |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 14:40 |
Yikes no you want to stay away from the magic remixed one if I remember correctly it claims Freddie was bi. The great pretender and the Untold story have that audio clip of Freddie telling wigg not to say hes with a man but that's hes happy with his relationship |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 14:42 |
Thanks Gewen I haven't seen the whole doc in years and I had spotted that clip of wigg talking about the production company not wanting him to be out bc they'd lose money on someones Instagram and I could be wrong but I thought the magic remixed one was another bad doc |
doughnut 30.04.2019 14:46 |
Thought I would share this story I found, I love finding tales like this from Peter. Thor/Lee you probably know this side of Freddie :) citing an example of the two sides of Mercury working together, Freestone remembered one time the singer "came downstairs, complaining bitterly that he had no cologne, nobody cared about him, nobody bought him anything – which basically meant he had three half-bottles. [He said,] ‘I’m going out to sort something out for myself.’ So he went out with his driver; they went to Harrods. “He came back with two bags from Harrods and he looked through them, and took out one one bottle of cologne, ‘See? I’ve bought this for me. This is mine.’ Then he proceeded to give everybody including the cleaning ladies … perfume, colognes, things. That was just the way he was.” |
doughnut 30.04.2019 15:00 |
Dustin, I haven't seen them for a while so I can't remember if magic remixed referred to him as Bi. Also I didn't realise that question from Wigg was in those two docs although it's been a while since I've seen them both. I did watch the unedited version of the Untold Story yesterday and don't recall it in this version. I will have to watch them again. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 15:13 |
I dislike the label bisexual.I hope that doesnt offend anyone.For so many of my years that is the label folks but on me and I hated it.I just dislike wasting time on labeling people they are who they are free to love who they want regardless of any gender boundaries.Call me a freak if you want I just dont see why someone has to have a gender preference.If you notice I dont waste to much time on the subject because I feel a person is who they are and if someone doesnt like it look the other way.However,I do respect those who Identify themselves with labeling because that's their right to do so.I just dont feel I need to justify anything to anyone.Just my opinion. |
mika251 30.04.2019 15:14 |
Doughnut Thanks for sharing the story it's great ?? where do you find these treasures? It's not from Ask Phoebe blog isn't it? |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 15:21 |
Doughnut,I think Freddie wanted to share his accomplishments with others.He gave them gifts.He loved to shop so his friends had no choice in the matter.He would just show up with a present from what I hear.He bought one for himself and always thought of someone else.He had good family values. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 15:21 |
To each their own Chevy but Freddie identified as gay and lived gay so his story doesn't sound like yours. He seemed pretty happy to have those close to hom call him gay. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 15:29 |
Doughnut, What I was surprised about was that Queen is seen almost embracing Adam's sexuality, as well it should be .Also, during all the clips of Rami Malek, he calls Freddie a "gay man" no bisexuality or confused sexuality mentioned at all. I think it is a presentation well worth viewing. Many talented people, in all fields, happen to be gay - is that not obvious? |
thundergod 30.04.2019 15:32 |
Welcome cazgeorge, I would suggest starting on page one. The earlier thread is worth reading too. Whenever you see a TROLL, just skip over them. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 15:33 |
Honey.Chile, The love is felt, thank you so much! |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 15:33 |
Dustin,, I get what You are saying it's just my experiences in the past and how I felt most of my life as if I really didnt fit in anywhere.I really never understood why I felt the way I did.I sure couldnt talk to family they would've flipped out.I appreciate Your input about Freddie that helps alot.They make him out to be so sad and it looks like he was a very happy man outside Queen Hours. |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 15:36 |
You don't see why someone has a gender preference? Oh boy...sounds like someone who has never experienced being gay. I see an awful lot of women claiming to be bisexual or making claims that they're open to all people sexually and it's a bit cringe for me as a gay man to watch. Mostly because (and I'm so sorry to say this) but that's just not real. As a gay man there is absolutely nothing I can do to get turned on by the female gender. That's because I'm gay and not just trying to claim I'm some unique type of sexuality to stand out or tried the opposite sex once on high school/college and claim it to be legit or meaningful. We don't choose what gender to like lol. That's actually a little offensive. Freddie didn't have a "preference" for men. He was just gay. He had no interest in women and there was nothing he could have or should have done to force himself to find them sexy. The word for someone like that is homosexual. It's not taboo anymore it's not regressive. It's what we are. And it's part of our identity. When you struggle with something that emotionally draining for years and finally find some sort of happiness in it, you don't sweep it under the rug and claim you don't believe in labels. You live your life as what you are, not rubbing it in peoples faces but being open within your friend group and those you trust. Peter Freestone has a habit of claiming to the public that Freddie didnt like labels but he also goes on his books and admits Freddie called himself gay and didn't hide it. I think he tries not to rock the boat but Freddie called himself gay enough times to believe in those labels. It's almost becomes a badge of honor for us. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 15:37 |
chevyman Peter is trying to convey Freddie's personality in that sometimes he could act a little sorry for himself. He said he came down stairs saying no one buys him anything and no one cares but Peter knew that wasn't true and Freddie was having one of his moments. It's a similar situation in David Evans book where Freddie said that no one really invited him to their house, however, Peter has said that Freddie rarely enjoyed visiting friends houses as he wasn't always comfortable. Freddie was just so complex . I can see where you are coming from regarding labelling and I just guess it's personal preference, however, I am not either so I'm probably not best placed to say. However, there are labels for everything these days. I've just shut my finger in the door....flipping hurts :( |
thundergod 30.04.2019 15:39 |
Chalie'sBoy, Troll-free highways are always easier to navigate! |
doughnut 30.04.2019 15:41 |
charlies boy ..it sounds like you have had a hard time, I am sorry to hear this but I am happy to hear you are in a better place now . You said this a few pages back. Life sucks sometimes doesn't it :( |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 15:41 |
Thor someone else hit the nail on the head about Adam and his sexuality being embraced by Queen and Queen Productions. He was already openly gay and vocal about it before joingin Queen. He said he actually considered hismelf and activist as early as his high school years so there was no way Queen Productions could get him on board and then try to downplay his sexuality. It's one of the biggest things Adam had been known for before that. As you know Freddie didn't have any interest in being a gay rights activist and had to hide it but it was a different time as well. I think Adam is very lucky that he out but he admits it is a double edged sword. He said in an interview not to long ago that every time he sits down in front of a camera people feel the need to ask him about his sexuality before his music. Imagine how bad it would have been for Freddie some 30+ years ago had he been out. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 15:44 |
Doughnut, I love that cologne story...so classic Freddie! |
doughnut 30.04.2019 15:45 |
mika, I have been looking for a particular Peter Freestone interview where he mentions Freddie not letting go of Jim until he got a kiss/cuddle. I found what I shared here along the way but still haven't found what I want lol. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 15:45 |
mika, I have been looking for a particular Peter Freestone interview where he mentions Freddie not letting go of Jim until he got a kiss/cuddle. I found what I shared here along the way but still haven't found what I want lol. |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 15:45 |
Yes it was a long road to accepting myself and even longer one for my family to accept me but I'm alive and happy and I created my own family out of my friends who knew my sexuality and didn't care. I really believe they saved my life. I can't imagine having to deal with those issues back when Freddie was around. With the added weight of having religious parents and a band on your shoulders that would also be affected if you came out. My heart aches for him. But I'm glad he had friends of his own to lean on. That's actually exactly why I joined this forum. To talk to Thor because he may not know the impact he had on Freddie's life. Being gay at any point in time can be lonely. You never know who to trust. But being gay in the 70s and 80s? As a rockstar? Your guard has to be up 24/7. And he managed to find people like Thor and Lee. That's great. |
lsg 30.04.2019 15:49 |
doughnut wrote: Dustin that is interesting, I wonder what the documentary was ? Chevyman ..sorry Adam doesn't do it for me lol . There is no one like Freddie but I guess Adam is doing good for a generation of new fans and older ones who still want to see Brain and Roger in action and enjoy the music. I showed my 11 year old a video of Adam singing and asked her opinion as I thought it would be interesting what she would say seeing as she knows neither that well. She said Freddie ....that's my girl lol . I didn't put her under any pressure.....promise lol Emdee I'm being teased left ,right and centre on Queen/Freddie groups as lots of fans are in the US and have seen it......frustrationing Freddienotfreddy what was it that left you with the impression that there is no hiding of Freddie's sexuality or are you referring to Adam.Doughnut, I’m in the states and missed the special as well.......but Adam does not do it for me either. He is good and is talented, but I agree with John Deacon and Freddie’s good friend Dave Clark......Freddie IS Queen. Per Dave, they should have quit Queen and moved onto solo projects and produce....but Queen was “the job” I understand the wish to continue but it’s the new generation that they are obtaining, which is good because they are bringing real music back in that regard. But Freddie will always be Queen to me. |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 15:52 |
Doughnut that Peter Freestone interview was in an article. Someone posted a photo of it on Facebook a few months ago. I wish I had saved the photo |
thundergod 30.04.2019 15:53 |
Charlie's boy, I agree with everything that you have said in your last several posts...sorry, I was a little behind in my comments. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 15:58 |
Once you all have seen the Queen + Adam Lambert special, I think many will have to agree that although no Freddie, he is doing a terrific job and is introducing the younger generation to the Wonders of Queen and Freddie. I applaud this. This is a good thing. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 15:59 |
Thor I can just imagine the pleased look on his face when he returned, thinking how proud he was to have gone out and bought cologne without Peter's help...bless him. These stories make him so lovable. Doughnut, What I was surprised about was that Queen is seen almost embracing Adam's sexuality, as well it should be .Also, during all the clips of Rami Malek, he calls Freddie a "gay man" no bisexuality or confused sexuality mentioned at all. I think it is a presentation well worth viewing. Many talented people, in all fields, happen to be gay - is that not obvious? Yes I would assume it is obvious and it shouldn't be that they are any different to someone who happens to be straight . However as I said earlier, Adam was already known as a gay man when he joined Queen so they couldn't hide it. CharliesBoy . It must have been hard for Freddie, very hard especially having to have a woman on his arm for public events. That is why Jim's story has really struck me as he was the one who had to walk behind. I hate the thought of that although he seemed to accept that was how it had to be. He seemed to be a laid back guy and freddie was lucky to have found him . Peter said Freddie came out at least twice and no one picked up on it. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 16:00 |
Doughnut, Thanks for your input .When I meet someone I just look at the person's personality and how they treat a person.I could care less about anything else.Im a little strange I guess.I really always felt I didnt belong anywhere.Even my girlfriend in high school didnt understand me.We would do okay for a while and then I would get a feeling of needing a guy and there I would go.It was tough for me and her.She didnt understand because she was gay.Im thankful the guy I'm married to was able to handle me all these years it's been tough for him too. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 16:04 |
Charles,I'm glad you have A strong support in your friends that means everything. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 16:09 |
Charlies boy...if you happen to remember the article do let me know . It's like finding a needle in a hay stack lol LG ...I don't feel that Freddie was Queen , even Freddie never believed that, he always said he was just the lead singer and 1/4 of the band. I just don't enjoy Adams voice the same as Freddie's . It may be because I have been listening to a lot of queen lately so hearing someone else sing is just weird. This doesn't just apply to Queen, I often find I'm not keen when an artist or groups song is sung by someone else, the exception here is George Michael as he sung 'Somebody to Love' amazing. |
RussiaLand 30.04.2019 16:18 |
Charlies boy, I sympathize with your story, but can you please not say that bisexuality is not real. I actually find it a little offensive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual_erasure |
doughnut 30.04.2019 16:24 |
oh boy :( |
lsg 30.04.2019 16:28 |
doughnut wrote: Charlies boy...if you happen to remember the article do let me know . It's like finding a needle in a hay stack lol LG ...I don't feel that Freddie was Queen , even Freddie never believed that, he always said he was just the lead singer and 1/4 of the band. I just don't enjoy Adams voice the same as Freddie's . It may be because I have been listening to a lot of queen lately so hearing someone else sing is just weird. This doesn't just apply to Queen, I often find I'm not keen when an artist or groups song is sung by someone else, the exception here is George Michael as he sung 'Somebody to Love' amazing.Doughnut, I agree and understand Freddie indicated he was 1/4 of Queen and he’s correct in saying that as they were equally talented, However I was repeating John Deacon and Dave Clark’s words. On the other by, Lambert is good but I grew up with Freddie Mercury singing for Queen and I am biased to the point of no return. I would like to see Queen with AL but cannot get anyone to go with me because they cannot get past AL |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 16:28 |
Feel free to DM me but sorry it's not. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 16:31 |
Oh jesus christ if I hear one more person talk about bi eraser I'm going to puke. Bisexuality is not a thing. It's a stepping stone to your real sexuality. I've known 14 bi people throughout. All turned out to be gay. But yes please keep this crap to private messages. |
RussiaLand 30.04.2019 16:35 |
That is so nice of you all, thanks a lot for calling me crap. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 16:40 |
It was my stupid statement It has been something heavy on my mind .I will sign off today It didnt offend me at all Charles had a right to give his opinion and he did it respectfully.Sorry I brought up that subject matter I will not ever mention that again. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 16:43 |
lsgp that is a shame. I have seen the clip of Dave Clark that you mention, if it is the same, is it the one where it looks like he is at an airport? Hopefully I will be able to watch the Queen & AL programme via the link that was shared here and then I can see how I feel. If Thor gives it the thumbs up then that gives me hope :) I'm putting my mum head on now. Remember we want to keep this a safe and friendly place so it would be best to continue your convo via PM . I can't comment on it myself as I am neither gay or Bi put I am sure everyone has their own opinions . Peace out and keep that smile on your bum |
RussiaLand 30.04.2019 16:48 |
I don't know why you feel sorry, Chevyman. I can't understand why your experience or mine should somehow be considered not real, whereas Charlies' should be considered real. And yes, Charlies has a right to give his opinion, as do I. Only I didn't call anyone crap for expressing their opinion. And then people wonder what the problem is with this forum... Maybe try to be a bit less aggressive towards others? Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with them. I probably will sign off as well. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 16:55 |
Russia and it's not real. Whether you want to admit it or not. And you bringing it up over and over is only dragging this forum down. The fact is bi like many others on the LGBT community is simply not a thing. But like everything else that isnt real under the LGBTWVSHSHSJSJSK name they gave it a flag and everyone and their dog claims to be it. Ever logged into tumblr? Every single person on there claims to be it. Nobody called you crap. They called the lie you tell yourself a lie. But yeah by all means keep putting insults in other people's mouths. That'll fix the forum. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 16:56 |
He meant the SUBJECT was crap, not you Russialand! Language/expression difficulty here. |
lsg 30.04.2019 16:56 |
I found the special on Xfinity Cable website so far it’s very good. Looks like I’m going to Queen by myself.....my friends said it’s not the same. Jeez....it’s not a tribute band! At least it’s Roger and Brian, the Freddie hologram, the music and the camaraderie. The only friend that will is in California and I’m on the east coast. Looks like I’m flying to California! |
thundergod 30.04.2019 16:57 |
Dustin, I just supported you...please calm down. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 16:59 |
I'm not heated Thor. Just bored with the unnecessary drama started by some |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 17:00 |
Theres a Freddie hologram now? |
lsg 30.04.2019 17:01 |
doughnut wrote: lsgp that is a shame. I have seen the clip of Dave Clark that you mention, if it is the same, is it the one where it looks like he is at an airport? Hopefully I will be able to watch the Queen & AL programme via the link that was shared here and then I can see how I feel. If Thor gives it the thumbs up then that gives me hope :) I'm putting my mum head on now. Remember we want to keep this a safe and friendly place so it would be best to continue your convo via PM . I can't comment on it myself as I am neither gay or Bi put I am sure everyone has their own opinions . Peace out and keep that smile on your bumHey there! I believe Thor did give it the thumbs up. I found the special thru my cable company website and watching now, and writing you during commercials. Very good so far 20 minutes in. Yes, it was the clip of Clark at the airport, I put the link up several pages back. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 17:03 |
A hologram would be so cool...is it true? Anyone know for sure? |
doughnut 30.04.2019 17:15 |
there was a hologram Freddie in previous tours wasn't there? I've seen it during 'love of my life' and Brain is very emotional . I find a hologram emotional but it's a very fitting tribute to Freddie. Thor did you get tickets to go ? Lsg if I had the money I'd fly over and go with you :) |
thundergod 30.04.2019 17:19 |
I got tickets for the We Will Rock You concert but the Queen + Adam Lambert Hollywood tkts were too expensive for Lee and me. |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 17:21 |
Brian had said he would never let a hologram happen with Freddie because he felt it disrespectful in someway. But that was years ago. I wonder if he changed his mind. I think I would like a Freddie hologram more than Adam |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 17:24 |
Doughnut no those clips of Freddie weren't holograms but the screen behind Brian. They moved Freddie to the righr of the screen so he looks to be by Brian's side and Brian knows when and where to hold out his hand so at the right angle they look like they're reaching out to each other. I haven't seen any Freddie hologram. I have seen an MJ one though. Not in person but on YouTube and it did look cool. link |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 17:27 |
Also I'm not a 2pac fan but they did it with him too It definitely looks eerie link |
lsg 30.04.2019 17:28 |
doughnut wrote: there was a hologram Freddie in previous tours wasn't there? I've seen it during 'love of my life' and Brain is very emotional . I find a hologram emotional but it's a very fitting tribute to Freddie. Thor did you get tickets to go ? Lsg if I had the money I'd fly over and go with you :)Awwww gee thanks luv! |
lsg 30.04.2019 17:33 |
It is rather expensive, even more expensive than Elton John whose touring now as well, but since my best friend lives in LA, where I can consolidate a vacation/free lodging and a concert, I feel I should take advantage of that, considering she the only friend who will see Queen + AL. Of course with all the friends at home, the friend that is 3000 miles away will go. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 17:36 |
Aww I see Charlie Boy. I think I have seen a Freddie hologram on a Queen Special German TV Show. I'll find it and share the link. I couldn't understand a word they were saying as I can't speak or understand German but it was a hologram Freddie singing 'Days of our Lives'. Jim , Freddie and Rudi were on the show ; Jim and Peter look quite emotional. Thor, I would like to see Elton John next year but the tickets are in the region of £150 upwards...crazy. I imagine it would be a similar price if they tour back in the UK with Adam. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 17:41 |
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doughnut 30.04.2019 17:44 |
Lsg we crossed over but both mentioned Elton...how funny :) |
Katydyd5 30.04.2019 17:47 |
Thor, I'm glad you got tickets for We Will Rock You! When are you going? I'm going the night before Thanksgiving, so if the family is expecting a lot of meal prep from me they will be disappointed. |
thundergod 30.04.2019 17:51 |
Oct. 12th...a location fairly near to Lee. I bought him the ticket as a special treat for his hospitality with my frequent visits to Palm Springs. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 17:53 |
can I just say I have never fully understood Thanksgiving. What is this a celebration of? |
doughnut 30.04.2019 17:53 |
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RobinJohn 30.04.2019 18:26 |
Okay, I will say something. I've also been a lurker for many years on this forum and have also quite enjoyed this thread, but now I've have to say something. First of all, I've been a fan since 1982 and I have all their records. Also, I don't care if someone is gay or not, I'm very liberal as everyone should be. But I have to comment about some things here. This thread was pretty intresting in the beginning, or at least the other Thor-thread was. But nowadays I haven't got a clue what it's supposed to be. Everyone is just asskissing Thor's every movement. Every now and then someone, maybe Runner, or someone else brings up pretty decent critical points. But every time when someone says something even remotely critical they are called "Trolls". That just makes everyone else here sound very hypocritical. Thor hasn't been able to answer to those critical words with nothing else but "don't feed the trolls" etc.etc. There is also a very strong Social Justice Warrior mentality going on. But it's just the sign of the times. It was disgusting to see how some were criticizing someone's Instagram-page because they were making jokes about Freddie. Oh please, oh please, that's just really, really stupid. Freddie himself had a very rough sense of humour. You can hear it onstage and there are tons of stories about his perverted sense of humour. Thor is sometimes downplaying this and I don't know why. Freddie would have loved those dirty jokes. Also attacking people like Ratty and Dolezal is pretty strange. And what about Mary or some other people who don't fit the agenda here. Thor is trying act like he is above all the rest. He hasn't really answered questions for a year now, because "you have to read it in the book" or something along those lines. He smelled his chance to cash with this thing, and why not, it's perfectly fine, but please stop acting like some semi-god. Your name Thundergod already has some Freudian stuff in it. I can't understand why is Thor always so butthurt, because I bet he himself has hurt many butts in his lifetime. Now, that's a good one! There are some really odd characters here. Dustin Z is a funny one. No doubt he will be saying that I'm this or that person writing with a different alias. He has been saying that about everyone who has a different opinion than him. And who is this draamaqueen SM? Shaun? He's leaving this thread every week with his hurt feelings and disappointment over "Queenfans". What a douche! Many senior members don't take part in this thread and no wonder. They have no need to smell every fart Thor delivers. Only ones who are left are the biggest asskissers who are still waiting for that "book". By the way, what's taking so long? |
RobinJohn 30.04.2019 18:27 |
Okay, I will say something. I've also been a lurker for many years on this forum and have also quite enjoyed this thread, but now I've have to say something. First of all, I've been a fan since 1982 and I have all their records. Also, I don't care if someone is gay or not, I'm very liberal as everyone should be. But I have to comment about some things here. This thread was pretty intresting in the beginning, or at least the other Thor-thread was. But nowadays I haven't got a clue what it's supposed to be. Everyone is just asskissing Thor's every movement. Every now and then someone, maybe Runner, or someone else brings up pretty decent critical points. But every time when someone says something even remotely critical they are called "Trolls". That just makes everyone else here sound very hypocritical. Thor hasn't been able to answer to those critical words with nothing else but "don't feed the trolls" etc.etc. There is also a very strong Social Justice Warrior mentality going on. But it's just the sign of the times. It was disgusting to see how some were criticizing someone's Instagram-page because they were making jokes about Freddie. Oh please, oh please, that's just really, really stupid. Freddie himself had a very rough sense of humour. You can hear it onstage and there are tons of stories about his perverted sense of humour. Thor is sometimes downplaying this and I don't know why. Freddie would have loved those dirty jokes. Also attacking people like Ratty and Dolezal is pretty strange. And what about Mary or some other people who don't fit the agenda here. Thor is trying act like he is above all the rest. He hasn't really answered questions for a year now, because "you have to read it in the book" or something along those lines. He smelled his chance to cash with this thing, and why not, it's perfectly fine, but please stop acting like some semi-god. Your name Thundergod already has some Freudian stuff in it. I can't understand why is Thor always so butthurt, because I bet he himself has hurt many butts in his lifetime. Now, that's a good one! There are some really odd characters here. Dustin Z is a funny one. No doubt he will be saying that I'm this or that person writing with a different alias. He has been saying that about everyone who has a different opinion than him. And who is this draamaqueen SM? Shaun? He's leaving this thread every week with his hurt feelings and disappointment over "Queenfans". What a douche! Many senior members don't take part in this thread and no wonder. They have no need to smell every fart Thor delivers. Only ones who are left are the biggest asskissers who are still waiting for that "book". By the way, what's taking so long? |
RobinJohn 30.04.2019 18:29 |
And one more thing. Maybe you could answer this one Thor. There has been this legendary myth about Freddie. There's a story that he needed some kind of surgery, because he couldn't hold his bowel movements. And we're talking about the early 80's? It has been discussed here many years ago. I guess it was something about a bathtub? Isn't there a photo of you and Freddie and some other mustache guys in a bathtub? Were you all very alert during those times in the water? |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 18:35 |
LMAOOOOO |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 18:36 |
"I'm not a troll and I'm not runner....but thor you suck and did you know Freddie had so much butt sex he couldn't hold his poo in when you guys were in a tub together?" LMAO OH MAN these Mary obsessed assholes really need a better hobby cuz they suck at trolling Lol |
Charlies boy 30.04.2019 18:40 |
They really think we can't spot them? Always claiming to be a lurker who had followed for a while but "I just need to say something" You do know all your posts are almost word for word the same shit? You're not fooling anyone lol. The cringe level is off the charts now hahaha These people or this one person making multiple accounts may actually have bipolar disorder or something so I won't make fun of them but...wow that's....someone who needs medication. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 18:47 |
Robin John, You are a disgusting little bastard arent you.I dont believe a thing you say.where you in the fucking pool?Thats how stupid you are Dick head.There are many reasons why people cant hold their shit.Many neurological conditions and autoimmune diseases can cause that you are such a smart guy.By the way the correct term is spincter . |
The Squirrelly One 30.04.2019 18:47 |
It's the same person as runner and freddiedearie. Saying the same stuff over and over. That bit about being a lurker and feeling the need to say something now then proceeding to insult Thor and Shaun and still praise Mary. This is so childish. What kind of a loser really takes the time to make fake accounts on here to harass strangers online? You live a very sad life. If you're going to keep making fake accounts maybe don't repeat yourself so often we pick you out within seconds. I think I'll be doing what Shaun did and bow out for good until Thor and Lee can find a better way to hold a forum that will allow us to to remove trolls. I'm too old for this. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 18:53 |
Meet too I'm 45.Im not 20. |
Villiers2 30.04.2019 18:54 |
Freddie never had a condition where he couldn't hold his bowels. What an odd thing to say about someone in an attempt to defame or troll. It looks like this thread keeps feeding into the trolls and giving them exactly what they want. So don't be surprised that they keep coming back. Ignoring them also wont work here as they get a kick out of ruining the thread by leaving comments like that that cant be deleted and will be seen by potential publishers. At this point this thread may be doing more harm than good thanks to these accounts. Thor, just coming from someone looking from the outside in, it's probably time to wrap this thread up and start a Facebook group that is closed to the public so you can govern who is let in and who is removed. It also keeps all stories and comments off limits to those you do not trust. Zero chances of trolls adding to the mix. I'm always open to your emails but I also won't be adding to this site from here on out. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 18:55 |
I don't understand the length people will go to , it's perfectic . Boy social media is a crazy place with crazy arse people. Chevyman don't let it make you angry, it's not worth it. This person wants a reaction and you are better than that :) I quite enjoy kissing Thor's arse :) |
FreddieDarling 30.04.2019 19:00 |
Thought I'd share this YouTube video with you. It's made by Cameron Deacon, John's son. It is quite a funny, sweet video they're just playing around but I do love the references they make toJohn's tales of Freddie. I especially like that they said how well their Dad spoke of Uncle Freddie's husband Jim and what a kind man he was. Nice! Cameron seems like a lovely gentle fun man. Like his Dad. :-) Just thought I'd share. References to John Deacon are like gold dust, he's such a sweet, genuine man. It put a smile on _my_ face. |
Galileo1564 30.04.2019 19:02 |
Doughnut—Thanksgiving is also known in my house as turkey day. It’s a celebration of the harvest. You have a big meal, and certain vegetables that are harvested in the fall are traditional. It’s also a day when families get together, for better or for worse! I’m a Canadian expat living in the US, and although we have Thanksgiving in Canada, it’s not as big a deal. But I’ve come to embrace the more elaborate celebration here. The holiday has Native American roots as I understand it. But I’m not knowledgeable about that. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 19:02 |
I think a facebook group controlled by Thor/lee is a good idea. As Villiers said you can control who is in the group and therefore it will be a safe place to chat. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 19:03 |
Freddiedarling there is no link? |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 19:05 |
I know Everything has been so calm I just dont understand what happened. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 19:06 |
thank you for your explanation of Thanksgiving. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 19:06 |
I know Everything has been so calm I just dont understand what happened. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 19:09 |
chevyman it's social media, it doesn't just happen here. It's a massive problem nowadays. I know that there are some teachers here so they may agree as it is one of the biggest problems schools now face as a lot of bullying goes on via social media. In the UK there have been teen suicides because of it. It is awful. Bullies like to hide behind the keyboard!! |
FreddieDarling 30.04.2019 19:22 |
Oops. Sorry I had a CRAFT moment! link |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 19:26 |
Doughnut,That's terrible when I was a kid there were bullies but you just met after school had a fight and it was over.Suicide that's what is happening to our kids something needs to be done.Thats why I dont go on Instagram that much.I was getting bullied over postings about Jim Hutton.Thats why I came here Because I thought it would be safe. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 19:45 |
FreddieDarling.......uncle Rooogggeeerrr lol |
lsg 30.04.2019 20:30 |
Sorry guys, Films, not Halograms |
lsg 30.04.2019 20:31 |
Sorry Thor, my bad, films....not hologram. Probably will never happen as long as Queen has AL. |
lsg 30.04.2019 20:34 |
thundergod wrote: A hologram would be so cool...is it true? Anyone know for sure?Sorry Thor, my bad, films....not hologram. Probably will never happen as long as Queen has AL. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 20:39 |
do check out this link |
Freddienotfreddy 30.04.2019 20:46 |
doghnut, The show was produced by Jim Beach and Freddie being gay is talked about through out the program. That's way it didn't seem to me to be any plan to cover Freddie's sexuality. Also, there have been many times where Brian and Roger very freely said Freddie was gay. Brian said he never saw Freddie happier then he was after he came out. |
doughnut 30.04.2019 20:49 |
charlieboy that 2pac hologram is so real, I agree about it being eerie . |
doughnut 30.04.2019 20:49 |
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thundergod 30.04.2019 20:53 |
This German hologram of Freddie looks pretty real. |
runner_70 30.04.2019 21:14 |
doughnut wrote: I think a facebook group controlled by Thor/lee is a good idea. As Villiers said you can control who is in the group and therefore it will be a safe place to chat.Awesome idea-they we can get rid of all those asskissing and ILLOYAL shitstories. Take the Glamberts with you as well |
FMLOVER 30.04.2019 21:38 |
Dustin so because you know 14 people that were BI and turned out to be gay means that there is no such thing as anyone being bisexual? |
mika251 30.04.2019 21:45 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Yikes no you want to stay away from the magic remixed one if I remember correctly it claims Freddie was bi. The great pretender and the Untold story have that audio clip of Freddie telling wigg not to say hes with a man but that's hes happy with his relationshipDustin I have now watched the documentary (Magic remixed) and Freddie was clearly stated as gay, not bisexual. Actually it is first documentary I have seen where no single word about Mary Austin is spoken. I liked it. Thank you for pointing it out I have never heard about this documentary. |
CHEVYMAN 30.04.2019 21:48 |
Doughnut,Did you understand why we celebrate Thanksgiving.?Do you not celebrate that holiday where you you are from? |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 22:45 |
Thanks for that I knew it had been a fre years since I've seen it. I had to have been confusing it with another documentary. |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.04.2019 22:49 |
There's no such thing as a real bisexual because they don't exist. Bisexuality has been around forever because gay people have been around forever and it's a stepping stone to a real sexuality. A phase should not be called a sexuality but hell, neither should lots of other things listed in the LGBT umbrella. For the third time in this thread if this topic needs to continue to do in private with someone who cares to discuss it in private. I was using the 14 people I knew as examples that show people toss that label around as if it means something when they actually realize later they're something else entirely. I won't be responding to anymore stuff about that topic. |
FMLOVER 30.04.2019 23:39 |
Dustin you don’t have to reply back but you sound foolish. I am bisexual and I’m interested in both women and men, currently in a relationship with a female but that doesn’t mean that I don’t like men anymore. If it doesn’t work out with my female partner I would still be interested in men. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 00:19 |
Yeah and I'm sure you're a teen or in your 20s and have a tumblr page. Lmao you'll grow out of it someday. |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 00:22 |
Yeah we all believe you now can we all move on please. How boring. |
The Black Queen's Kid 01.05.2019 00:30 |
Can we please stop with deciding the validity of anyone's sexual preference? No really, please??? If I want to identify as bi, tri, or anything else it's my call. To quote an exasperated Freddie during squabbles - " For fuck's sake!" |
FMLOVER 01.05.2019 00:30 |
You sound extremely stupid. I am 38 years old and know exactly who I am. Just because you come to the conclusion that you’re gay doesn’t mean that anybody else cannot be bisexual idiot |
The Black Queen's Kid 01.05.2019 00:31 |
Thor, I sent you a PM. Please let Lee know as well. Cheers. |
The Black Queen's Kid 01.05.2019 00:37 |
OK, we've just got beyond our name-calling fiasco. That kind of bullshit is going to de-rail our positive progress. Please try to be civil with replies. *When the hell did I become a hall monitor on this site??? For fuck's sake!!!! |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 00:58 |
Yeah you can identify as bi. Just like a child can identify as a superhero or a tree lol. Just as valid. |
The Black Queen's Kid 01.05.2019 00:59 |
I'm going to start charging extra if I have to be a parent figure here. I'm almost 60 years old. I'm an Air Force veteran and an analytical chemist. I don't suffer fools gladly. Some of you folks need to rethink your rhetoric. Would you speak to someone in person the way you spout off here? We may need some " How to Be Civil in Forums" training. |
St Pepper 01.05.2019 01:03 |
The chick claiming to be a fake sexuality calling someone else an idiot. How's that for irony. This thread has gone to hell. |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 01:04 |
Sweetie nobody asked you to play hall monitor. You're also not making a difference. Your buddy was asked to drop this topic multiple times and kept going. Maybe if she goes back to tumblr and let's it go itll end. |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 01:09 |
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Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 01:10 |
Oh man. Here I am complaining about the state of this page and I contributed to this topic going so far out of hand. I'm sorry guys. I'm officially keeping my thoughts on this to myself for Thors sake. I suggest everyone do the same. |
FMLOVER 01.05.2019 01:12 |
I can tell that Dustin and Charlie are fucking idiots and can only understand the owner situation. Wow!! |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 01:14 |
FMLOVER calm down. Read the comment I left right above yours. Enough. |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 01:18 |
Lol |
FMLOVER 01.05.2019 01:20 |
Dustin then calm your ass down to stop trying to tell people their sexuality and that goes for you too Charlie |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 01:20 |
Aaaaaaand I give up. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 01:22 |
Dude FMLOVER shut the fuck up. Yoir sexuality ISN'T real and nobody buys into your "I wanna be a unique unicorn" bullshit. I was trying to be kind but fuck you, you irrelevant ass bitch. Keep lying to yourself. |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 01:24 |
LOL this is exactly why real gay people don't believe in bi stuff. It's always some overly emotional sjw female who doesn't know how to act and needs to feel special. Well all eyes are on you. You got your wish. Pathetic skank. |
FMLOVER 01.05.2019 01:26 |
That’s fucking funny that you feel like you need to label me to whatever the fuck you think is in your mind. Being bisexual has nothing to do with being unique I just like pussy and dick you dumb fuck |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 01:28 |
Yeah I'm sure you do. Your sexuality is TOTALLY real and valid lol. Sure Jan! |
St Pepper 01.05.2019 01:30 |
Im.trying really hard not to lose my shit over this but this is the second time this chick is insinuating that someone else is stupid while she is claiming to be something fake. It takes all kinds I guess. |
St Pepper 01.05.2019 01:32 |
By the way I identify as an Apache helicopter guys. You will address me as such. BECAUSE IM VALID OR YOURE ALL IDIOTS. |
FMLOVER 01.05.2019 01:35 |
Here we go another fucking idiot. Please tell me how I am I’m faking my sexuality? As a matter of fact I don’t have to prove anything to any of you. So sit you are dumb asses down! |
St Pepper 01.05.2019 01:37 |
Oh yes you so won that argument! Well done Tumblr Kween! #Valid #ImSoNotJustAnotherPinkHairedLibtard |
Charlies boy 01.05.2019 01:37 |
I'm wheezing LOL |
thundergod 01.05.2019 01:44 |
SO...moving on...Now the more important question is: Was Freddie really a hologram at Live Aid while he sat home in his slippers? |
Villiers2 01.05.2019 01:46 |
Ok I wasn't going to post here anymore but I will this last time. I made the mistake of refreshing the page because I got an email notification that I had a few unread messages here. If this is how Queen fans act now, if this is how they treat Thor and Lee and if this is the respect they have for them, I'm not doing the live and wasting their time or mine. We're not going to take time out of our day to sit down and answer your questions if you're all a bunch of children. Thor and Lee deserve better and I'm sorry but so do I and my followers who don't behave like a bunch of animals. No thanks. I got your message about the new dates you wanted to hold the live, Thor. I think we may no longer need to hold it. I'll send you an email tomorrow. I need a break. |
Jo T. 01.05.2019 02:58 |
Thor, I'm ecstatic to finally learn that you got tickets for both you and Lee to see "We Will Rock You!" BTW, don't feel bad. You guys don't really need to see Queen + Adam Lambert: The Rhapsody Tour. You both saw the REAL DEAL - many times over! I would gladly trade places. Like many folks, I was too young to see Queen and Freddie Mercury back when they toured North America. I'm glad I'll @ least get a chance to see Brian May and Roger Taylor live in July. It'll be my 1st Queen concert ever. In terms of holograms, I would love to see Freddie perform "WWRY" from the Queen concert in Budapest, where he walked on stage draped in the Hungarian flag. What an entrance! |
Jo T. 01.05.2019 03:44 |
Villiers2, I hope you reconsider, but I totally understand. It would be an absolute privilege for us if you hosted a live involving Thor and Lee. We would be blessed. However, the recent lack of civility on the thread is a major concern. |
Rainbow61 01.05.2019 05:21 |
Hi Jo T. I never saw Freddie perform either and I'm quite envious of those who did! I have attended a couple of Queen + Adam Lambert concerts...they were fantastic. You will have a wonderful time and find yourself singing along with everyone else to those amazing songs. Of course, it goes without saying that one of the best moments of each night was when Freddie appeared on the screen. I hope the band plans to do the same this time around as well. I did wear a Freddie tee-shirt to each show...my way of showing that he has not been forgotten! |
back.chat 01.05.2019 07:11 |
"In terms of holograms, I would love to see Freddie perform "WWRY" from the Queen concert in Budapest, where he walked on stage draped in the Hungarian flag. What an entrance!" Jo T. Have you seen Milton Keynes' WWRY? That's the hologram I would like to see! |
doughnut 01.05.2019 07:45 |
freddienotfreddy thank you. I have seen Brian and Roger talk about Freddie being gay but I don't recall Jim Beach. Jim Hutton said in his book that he felt that Jim Beach didn't understand their relationship although he knew Jim H made him happy. Thor that hologram is very real isn't it. Must have been an emotional watch. Chevyman we don't celebrate thanksgiving in the uk, it seems to be an american celebration. Villiers i feel that best thing to do is not to mention this group and thor/lee on your instagram page for a while. I don't mention this group when i'm in other groups because I have seen the radical views of some people towards Freddie/Jim/Mary. I didn't want to encourage these people to come here. The hot tub issue that was brought up was discussed in 2015 and was confirmed to be from a spoof website that posts crazy arse rumours about famous people, Mick Jagger being one of them. |
doughnut 01.05.2019 07:48 |
thor I do believe that Freddie was indeed watching Live Aid at home in his slippers sipping earl gray with two sugars made by the fab Phoebe. He had just had an amazing foot rub from his lover Jim. It was a bloody good hologram and he fooled us all lol |
Invisible Woman 01.05.2019 07:50 |
About the hologram in the German show, I looked at that show on You Tube, although I don't understand German, exept few words. I realised this hologram created Rudi Dolezal. He parcipated in the show, also Jim Hutton, Phoebe, singer of Scorpions Klaus Meine... I would like someone to do a translation in English, I'm interested in what they all said. I manage much better with English. |
Freddienotfreddy 01.05.2019 08:03 |
FYI, Anyone who didn't see the Queen + Adam Lambert documentary when it aired Monday night and would like to, it is already on HULU. |
koala 01.05.2019 08:05 |
Oh no :/ This is why we can't have nice things. You'd think having a friendly conversation about something all of us supposedly love would be an easy concept to grasp, but I guess not. Trolls are one thing, but it's incredibly frustrating when long-time contributors won't stop stirring up unnecessary drama and insult anyone with a different opinion. Dustin & co. you've been behaving like absolute douchebags lately. Grow up and engage in some self-reflection. I agree that a closed fb group would be a good idea, but I can't blame Thor and Lee if they're not interested in continuing the conversation after all of this. And I don't blame Villers for not wanting to do the live anymore, though I hope that changes, as there are many fans out there who have done nothing wrong and would benefit from it . |
RobinJohn 01.05.2019 08:05 |
Oh what a big surprise that people were so offended and of course we got those "he's the same person"-crap. You obviously realize that we write in a totally different way. You obviously have no clue what you're saying. On the other Hand, everyone with half a brain sees that Dustin Zimmerman himself is using multiple accounts. Just look at his contributions in the last 24 hours. Villiers is not doing the Thor and Lee live? Oh what a shame. You mean the one where you have to provide your questions beforehand and I bet every question is pretty lame and has the same anecdotes and answers as this thread has had for the last two years? |
Katydyd5 01.05.2019 11:24 |
Hey, someone must have posted the link for the hologram. I'd like to see it. Can you repost the link? |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 12:04 |
Hi katydyd |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 12:10 |
Koala learn your shit before you make assumptions. I spoke with Villiers last night. I am not the reason she wants to pull out of this. |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 12:11 |
It's nice to finally see a friendly face.And a positive one. |
Radioblabla 01.05.2019 12:30 |
Katydyd5 wrote: Hey, someone must have posted the link for the hologram. I'd like to see it. Can you repost the link?Hi! You can see the hologram in this video at 3.00. link |
Katydyd5 01.05.2019 12:48 |
Thanks Radio. That's amazing, though I really don't understand the technology behind it. Too bad I don't speak German. I would like to have known what Jim, Rudi and Peter were saying. |
koala 01.05.2019 12:56 |
@Dustin, I never said you were the reason for anything, just that you were being a douche and spreading unnecessary drama here...which you absolutely were. Anyway, this is the last time I'm talking about this. Back to Freddie and Thor & Lee. |
koala 01.05.2019 13:08 |
Wow the hologram thing blows my mind. And they couldn't have chosen a more poignant song to use it in. I'm excited to see what kind of realistic "live" performances we'll be able to see in the future with things like VR advancing. Also, do you guys remember when Freddie was shown on screen doing the ay-oohs at the 2012 Olympics? Not as amazing technologically, but really moving: link |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 13:38 |
Koala fuck you you fat bitch. |
Katydyd5 01.05.2019 13:46 |
I remember the Olympics too Koala. It was so moving to see him. I think he underestimated his ability to be a legend. Wish he could see all of this! |
lsg 01.05.2019 14:50 |
thundergod wrote: SO...moving on...Now the more important question is: Was Freddie really a hologram at Live Aid while he sat home in his slippers?No that was his body double was, since body doubles were the thing in the 80’s. |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 14:51 |
Dustin,I understand you may be angry but calling someone names isn't a positive way to handle your anger.And yes I have a anger streak in me too but saying those things to a woman arent very becoming of a man.I have talked to you some and you seem to be a level headed mature man.I will not disrespect you because I was taught to respect the elders .I dont know your age but I feel you have years of experience and good advice to offer when your not angry. |
Dustin Zimmerman 01.05.2019 15:43 |
Any woman that calls me a douche is getting what she asked for. I'll keep calling her what she is until she fucks off. I'm not angry at you chevyman. Sorry you had to see that. |
koala 01.05.2019 15:47 |
I don't doubt Freddie realized Queen music had a big impact, but I still think he would be surprised at how big they still are 30 years later. I saw this video of a huge crowd singing Bohemian Rhapsody before a Green Day concert, for example: link absolutely incredible (especially when you consider these are mostly young people). |
Katydyd5 01.05.2019 16:02 |
I saw that video too Koala. I'm thrilled to see so many young people who are into Queen. My younger-than-me handyman was at the house to fix something and he happened to see my Freddie mask hanging on my fridge. At the time my youngest son and his family were living here temporarily. He asked me which of them was into Queen. The look on his face was priceless when I told him it was me. He likes them too, but wasn't expecting it from me. Just now I was at Toyota undergoing sticker shock. The young rep I was working with was talking about the music in the showroom, and I just kind of shrugged that it was ok. Then she had to go out to check my current mileage, so she had to turn on the car. I'm playing Innuendo in the car right now. She came back in wide-eyed and said no wonder I didn't think the showroom music was all that great. My love for Queen skipped a generation, but I had 14 months to indoctrinate my youngest grandchild and she's definitely a budding Queenie. They will go on forever. |
koala 01.05.2019 16:15 |
Katy, that's a great story! I remember Peter Freestone mentioning in an interview that most young fans he meets inherited their love of Queen from their parents. This is a type of indoctrination I am 100% behind lol :) although I think the number of young fans has skyrocketed now thanks to the film as well. |
DCQueenLuvr 01.05.2019 16:25 |
Hi everyone, While watching that hologram video, I came across this one. It includes some photos of Freddie I had never seen before. A really nice interview with photographer Richard Young. link By the way, Villier2, I hope you do the live with Thor and Lee. The trolls shouldn't shut down the fun for the rest of us. |
doughnut 01.05.2019 16:49 |
LSGP......I insist that holograms come back into fashion as I absolutely need one so that I can send it to work for me lol . Glad you all like the Freddie hologram on the German TV show. I wish I could speak German to understand what they are discussing :( Katy I have an image in my mind of your 'younger than you handyman' I wonder if it is anything like the real thing ;) I adored the 2012 Olympics, in an Interview with Freddie's mum she said she was sooooo proud to see her boy ......brings tears to my eyes. I think it is fantastic how much he is loved now...he fully deserves it . I am doing my best to educate my youngest, she has seen the film and some of the decent documentaries. Her fav song is 'don't stop me now and 'Radio Ga Ga'. She loves to clap along when I play it. I have told her Freddie's back story although not in complete detail as she hasn't had the chat at school yet. FreddienotFreddy the gig at Milton Keynes Bowl is brilliant....Freddie is on fire. I love seeing him climb all over the scaffolding giving it some .... At the moment I am loving 'Dragon Attack ' and the live version of 'action this day' . |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 16:50 |
Yes I would love to see the live everyone was looking forward to it.I was always taught to not let anyone detour me from my goals or try to ruin things I'm trying to achieve.Noone can erase these wonderful memories all these friends had for those three or four years.No nasty comments or slurs can take that away ever.But yes it would be nice to learn more about his life and fun times with these fellas.However,I do understand if they choose not too because these memories are dear to them and all this unkindness is just unacceptable . |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 16:55 |
Doughnut,I wanna cry myself everytime I seen Freddie's mom speak about him.She missed him terribly but she was very proud of his accomplishments. |
Katydyd5 01.05.2019 17:27 |
I saw the Richard Young interview and noticed some photos that were new to me too. Then I went to the site of his gallery. He has quite a large body of work. There is a gift shop and of course I had to take a look at that. Found two prints I had to have...………….until I Googled the pounds to dollars conversion chart and realized they were way out of my reach. I had seen Richard in photos with Freddie, just never knew who he was. I'm always happy to add new knowledge to my Freddie files, and now that I know who he is, I see Richard in photos with Freddie all the time. Thanks to all who continue to educate me. |
LaureG 01.05.2019 17:31 |
Hello there, I am happy to join you today . I've been trying to read your posts but I am not finished yet. Just a few words about me, I'm French and I'm 42. I LOVE Freddie's music beyond words. It means a lot to me and as far as I can remember, I've always been a fan. But the shy kind of fan so I didn't dare writing here... What made me change my mind was the other day when my 8 year old son asked me to put Radio Gaga in the car on our way back home from school and he started "singing" with all his heart though he doesn't speak nor understand English at all. An extraordinary moment for me. Freddie is eternal, modern and he is more than a legend.... he's still here. He will always be here. |
doughnut 01.05.2019 17:46 |
Katy Richard young has an exhibition in London until the end of May . He is showing all of his queen / Freddie photos . He toured with them for many years and took photos at Freddie's private parties . He seems a lovely man . I follow him on Instagram. Welcome laureG , we have the lovely Radioblabla here who is also french. Your English is excellent. What a lovely story, bless your son. Did he sing in English . I'm sure the band were amazed to find how the crowds sang along in countries like Rio and Hungaria . It must have been an amazing fee!ing |
mika251 01.05.2019 18:33 |
To anybody who would like to know what the German show was about... My technical skills are not good enough to create subtitles but I'll watch it tonight and write a summary for you if you want. My German is little bit better than my English so I hope it will be enough. |
doughnut 01.05.2019 18:38 |
Mika you are wonderful, thank you |
LaureG 01.05.2019 19:36 |
No my son sings in gibberish.. but that was so cute and funny.. he's becoming a Queen-addict just like his mom. My two sons like Queen by the way. |
doughnut 01.05.2019 20:27 |
So I'm watching the queen and Adam show. It's ever so sad to start with , brian looked so broken when interviewed in 1992 |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 20:40 |
Doughnut,yes he does I think I seen that one is it with Roger? |
emdee0809 01.05.2019 20:41 |
Thanks for posting the hologram performance of Freddie. I had the opportunity to sit in an audience with a hologram of a famous athlete teaching a lesson about life. It was eerily realistic - so lifelike. I can't imagine the thoughts of Jim and Peter sitting there watching it. It was hard enough for me to see it years later on a video. doughnut - hope you are enjoying the program - I cried throughout |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 20:44 |
Emdee,nice to see you posting what is a hologram is it that projected figure ? |
doughnut 01.05.2019 20:48 |
I didn't want to say but yes I've been crying , it just pains me seeing someone else with brain and Roger . It's the first time I've seen Adam's American idol performance, boy he did an amazing performance of ,whole lotta love ' |
doughnut 01.05.2019 20:59 |
Chwvyman yes , they projected Freddie from the 'TATDOOL video. So real. |
emdee0809 01.05.2019 21:03 |
chevy - I have been silenlty observing - LOL yes the hologram looks like the person is actually present - they are quite real -looking. Could you imagine recreating Freddie and having him perform again - wonder how that would go over?? |
CHEVYMAN 01.05.2019 21:30 |
I bet its emotional seeing him so young like he is almost frozen in that time.Then looking at the other two knowing he should be their age.I bet it is hard for them too. |
mika251 01.05.2019 22:12 |
Doughnut and anybody else here is a very brief and very unprofessional translation of the German Show. I didn't know it took for 2 hours :D But it was very well done, I have never seen it before so thank you for posting it I enjoyed it a lot. There were some interesting bits about Barbara Valentine and Rudi Dolezal spoke very fondly about Freddie. I'm looking forward to his book. I translated only the discussion in the studio as the clips with Queen history don't mention anything new. The hologram performance was heartbreaking. I couldn't watch it till the end. Jim looked so sad and did you notice that Phoebe wasn't watching at all? Poor boy. And that singer from Scorpions singing Love of my life? He's got a nerve! I mean, even Adam Lambert doesn't dare to sing it live because it's simply Freddie's song. So enjoy the reading and apologize my English :) I'm still learning :) |
Annie65 01.05.2019 22:13 |
Hi all...I don’t speak up much but have been around for a several months now. I forgot who mentioned the Magic Remixed documentary recently but I wanted to say thank you...I watched it last night and really liked it. Even though I don’t participate much, I really value this thread and have come to respect many of you. It’s lazy of me, but I really depend on a lot of the opinions here when it comes to recommendations on books, articles, and you tube offerings which I love! I soak it up like a sponge I think! So....Thor, Lee, Shawn, Villiers, and so many others.....please don’t give up on us! That’s all...just wanted to share how much coming here has come to mean to me. Thanks. |
thundergod 01.05.2019 22:17 |
Thank you Annie, We'll accept whatever you want to give us and on your own time schedule. |
thundergod 01.05.2019 22:19 |
LaureG, A BIG welcome to you. Bon Jour. |
emdee0809 01.05.2019 22:26 |
Mika - thank you so much for the translation - what a special person to take the time to do that for us!! There were some interesting facts I did not know about Barbara - and the fact that he kept working till the end and with that same passion for perfection - so much to admire about him!! It's nice to have new people on the forum - welcome to all! |
Annie65 01.05.2019 22:42 |
I forgot to mention why I respect many of you. I like the way you are able to offer your opinion without judging others and for how you uphold the memory of Freddie Mercury .....with love. Warts and all. I need a smiley emoticon here. |
mika251 01.05.2019 23:02 |
emdee0809 wrote: Mika - thank you so much for the translation - what a special person to take the time to do that for us!!You are welcome. It was not a big deal and this forum gave me so much that this very very small contribution is the least I can do in return for. And I forgot to mention - you might be confused - I translated the whole show, not only this 11 minutes long video with the hologram performance - there was nothing really interesting, just some small talk with no new information. |
Rainbow61 01.05.2019 23:03 |
There have been quite a few new people who started posting over the past month or so. That's super. I offer a giant welcome to all of you! Mika, I have not yet seen the documentary, but a HUGE thanks in advance for all the time you put into doing the translation for us. It is greatly appreciated. One of the things I like most about this thread is the international participation. There are many here for whom English is not even their first language...that always impresses me! As LaureG so astutely said about Freddie: "Freddie is eternal, modern and he is more than a legend.... he's still here. He will always be here." That people feel that way the world over is truly astonishing! Thor...There are many people who cannot make it to shows they buy tickets for. If you wanted to attend the Queen + Adam Lambert concert, you might be able to get some very inexpensive tickets closer to the day of the show. When you attended Freddie's shows, were you actually given tickets, or did you not even need those? Was just wondering if you kept ticket stubs? I always do! |
Katydyd5 01.05.2019 23:20 |
Annie65, so good to see you again! Mika, the translation was wonderful. Thanks so much! I thought that was funny about Phoebe standing in for the dancer so they could figure timing. I also liked that Rudi talked about the care he took when filming TWTDOFL. Knowing that Freddie wanted one final take to make his good-bye really touches me. You translated exactly the parts I wanted to hear. Thor, I think my ticket for WWRY was about $65. I paid just about the same for Queen+AL. We are up high, but that's fine. |
lsg 01.05.2019 23:41 |
Doughnut, that’s funny! Great idea to have a halogram at work, as long as your job doesn’t require speaking to anyone at work |
emdee0809 01.05.2019 23:52 |
Katydyd- just wondering what venue you are seeing Queen + AL-there is nothing under $300 per ticket in my area- I think the cheapest I saw them for was $99 in the nose bleed section almost behind the stage and that was in January- those seats are no longer available Is anyone else finding these ticket prices that high- definitely a case of supply and demand with these 3rd part sellers. As stated above , it is nice to see people from around the globe unite to share their feelings about Freddie. |
lsg 01.05.2019 23:53 |
doughnut wrote: I didn't want to say but yes I've been crying , it just pains me seeing someone else with brain and Roger . It's the first time I've seen Adam's American idol performance, boy he did an amazing performance of ,whole lotta love 'I know, it’s like after a break up and you see your ex with the new boyfriend or girlfriend. But like the song, the show must go on |
lsg 01.05.2019 23:55 |
LaureG wrote: Hello there, I am happy to join you today . I've been trying to read your posts but I am not finished yet. Just a few words about me, I'm French and I'm 42. I LOVE Freddie's music beyond words. It means a lot to me and as far as I can remember, I've always been a fan. But the shy kind of fan so I didn't dare writing here... What made me change my mind was the other day when my 8 year old son asked me to put Radio Gaga in the car on our way back home from school and he started "singing" with all his heart though he doesn't speak nor understand English at all. An extraordinary moment for me. Freddie is eternal, modern and he is more than a legend.... he's still here. He will always be here.Welcome LauraG ! |
lsg 01.05.2019 23:56 |
Mika thank you so much! |
lsg 01.05.2019 23:57 |
mika251 wrote: Doughnut and anybody else here is a very brief and very unprofessional translation of the German Show. I didn't know it took for 2 hours :D But it was very well done, I have never seen it before so thank you for posting it I enjoyed it a lot. There were some interesting bits about Barbara Valentine and Rudi Dolezal spoke very fondly about Freddie. I'm looking forward to his book. I translated only the discussion in the studio as the clips with Queen history don't mention anything new. The hologram performance was heartbreaking. I couldn't watch it till the end. Jim looked so sad and did you notice that Phoebe wasn't watching at all? Poor boy. And that singer from Scorpions singing Love of my life? He's got a nerve! I mean, even Adam Lambert doesn't dare to sing it live because it's simply Freddie's song. So enjoy the reading and apologize my English :) I'm still learning :)Mika thank you so much! |
Katydyd5 02.05.2019 00:02 |
Emdee, we are seeing them in a big arena in Columbus, Ohio. It's a bit of a drive, but not a big problem. But after you posted I realized that the price I told you was too low. We paid about $83 per ticket. I thought that was a great price. We saw Andrea Bocelli (I have wide ranging musical tastes) last December and paid $200 for those tickets, again, up high. |
mika251 02.05.2019 00:15 |
At first I thought I don't want to see the new documentary but as you speak so fondly about it I will give it a chance. For quite a long time I avoided everything connected to Queen after 1997 but now I think, if there would be a tour in Europe I would probably attend. Just to hear half of the Queen live. And also, songs they made are simply great. Of course Freddie's performance made them absolutely unique, marvelous fabulous and fantastic and Adam doesn't have a chance to have 1% of Freddie's charisma in my eyes but still, he can sing and he performs them quite good :) so hopefully there will be some concert near to Prague one day :) |
The Black Queen's Kid 02.05.2019 00:36 |
Doughnut, I also cried when I watched it. Seeing Freddie on the screen at the back of the stage singing the end of Bohemian Rhapsody just broke my heart to pieces. I'm not very cool and collected when it comes to being confronted with his absence. |
Jo T. 02.05.2019 04:14 |
@Honey.Chile, I checked out the "WWRY" Milton Keynes' videos you recommended on YouTube. Are you referring to the fast version of the song, where Freddie is dressed completely in white or the one where he is wearing a sombrero - weirdly enough? @doughnut, thanks for the link to the German TV special of Freddie's "TOTDOOD" hologram. I'm glad I got to place a face to the name for Rudi Dolezal and to see Jim and Phoebe's poignant reaction to the hologram. @mika251, thanks for translating the German TV special from German to English. You are awesome! If I'm correct, Czech is your native language, yet you managed to translate German to English? Wow! |
Rainbow61 02.05.2019 04:52 |
Emdee, Our Queen + Adam concert tickets were $99.50 apiece, not including fees. I have never been to this particular arena before (Xfinity Center, just outside of Boston), but the seats looked decent enough. We are a little more than half way back, but still in the section with a roof (in case of rain). The lawn seats cost about half that amount, however, those looked pretty far from the stage...definitely binocular seats! We got our tickets back in the beginning of December when they went on sale. From what I could see, most of the venues sold out pretty quickly, but like I mentioned to Thor, there are always people looking to get rid of tickets. For this tour, Queen has partnered with Twickets for resales. People cannot sell tickets on this site above the face value. I just looked at that site and unfortunately, most of the venues have no tickets available right now. That will probably change though. Here is the link in case you are interested: You are right about tickets through 3rd party sellers. They can be ridiculously priced. Often those tickets are purchased just to resell and make money. On Stubhub, in the same exact section I am sitting in, 21 rows in front of me, someone is selling a ticket for $707. That is nuts! |
Rainbow61 02.05.2019 04:56 |
Oops...it probably helps if I actually post the link! :) link |
FreddieDearie 02.05.2019 05:31 |
ThunderGod and Lee Nolan and others encouraging the following bigoted and offensive behavior: "It is one thing to passively mention a detail from Jim's book as a way to discuss important details about prevention etc... But that is not how these people are discussing these details." You need to be more careful with the kind of "fans": you're dealing with here and elsewhere, like Instagram. Why are CIS adolescent girls and young "women" like @Queen_Memes.kl @jimandFreddieForever @freddiesheaux @fatbottomedgirll et all ....fetishising LBGTQ bodies and sex lives? This is a grossly inappropriate curiosity. Carolyn Hendrix, a LCSW-supervisor... [gay fetishism ] comes from a sense of otherness,...For someone who doesn’t identify with queer culture or the trans and gender-diverse communities, society has created [there's] an ‘us versus them’ [mentality], ... created this narrative to form the idea that ‘we’re not them,’ which creates that inappropriate curiosity.... Yes, the cisgender, heterosexual population only has male-female relationships to base their understandings on, but that still doesn’t equal a green light for them to ask invasive questions to queer folks. ..with the myriad of ways for straight couples to have sex, we don’t see an endless parade of queer folks asking their straight brothers, parents, cousins, and friends who tops and who bottoms. Could that be, perhaps, because we understand that questions of this nature are wild invasions of privacy? ***The fact that this courtesy of privacy is not extended to queer people is explained**** It's bigotry. It's a cloaked form of homophobia. Plain and simple The little girls and young women doing this all over instagram, (many of which Thor is engaging with to have them help him make money off of their observations of Freddie's life) LBGTQ people are not YOURS to play with, little girls. I’m tired of straight people's homosexual-sexual terrorism of Queer bodies and sexual acts. Gay bodies and sex lives not in existence for straight people's entertainment. titillation and prejudiced obsession. A fetish like this is an extremely WARPED fixation to "Others'. There are sexual fetishes and nonsexual fetishes: both are obsessive. What they've been doing is a strange proclivity in excessive and irrational obsession of gay bodies and sexual acts. Using LBGTQ bodies and sex lives as fodder for adolescent and young cis women's titillation and entertainment is a horrendous trend happening. Do you really think it's ok for these young girls to be writing up sexual fan fiction fetishisising Freddie and Jim's sex lives and explicitly talking about their bodies? This is NOT OK. This is based in prejudice, "Otherism" and homophobia. They think they cloak it in being "open" to gay sexual activity that justifies their behavior. But it doesn't. Just like it's not ok for White people to be discussing and fetishising Black people's body parts, and what their sexual activity must be like, making jokes about their hair, or considering who is more "authentically black" based on skin color etc... The same holds true for respecting gay men and not using their bodies and sex lives as foder for adolecent and young cis women's titilation and entertainment. WHY ARE STRAIGHT FOLKS OBSESSED WITH LGBTQ FOLKS’ BODIES AND SEX LIVES? link link |
doughnut 02.05.2019 06:32 |
Morning from the uk. I shall catch up after work today but thank you so much mika you are a star . I feel the same about queen without Freddie it's hard I forgot yesterday was happy hump day |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 07:28 |
I want to say an enormous THANK YOU to Mika for translating and transcribing the German chat show where they showed the Freddie Hologram (though I did wish they could have shown a hologram of a time when he didn't look so very poorly) That was so very kind of you to take the time to do that for us and I know we all appreciate it. When I've seen the video before I've wondered what was being said. Thank you! I love the thought of Phoebe standing in for Debbie! Wonder if he wore the black mini dress?! LOL! Lovely to see some of my favourite posters active. Nice to have Katydyd5 back in the mix again. Welcome to our newbies ( well _most_ of them) I hope you find joy and enlightenment in this thread. And yes Freddie IS getting legend! He is immortal! He seems somehow every bit as much a part of our lives and culture as ever he was. Shows the power, influence and charisma of this amazing man. If anyone is wondering my stick insects are still healthy and all present and correct and growing at a rate if knots! Hope you all have a great Thursday. Is it Bank Holiday for anywhere else in the world on Monday? Bye Bye FreddieDARLING |
Perk 02.05.2019 07:31 |
Hi all just wanted to say hello and I hope you’re Days have been good. |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 08:18 |
You too , Perk! Glad to see you are still with us! Don't give up, it's usually a happy sand pit to play in! :-) |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 08:22 |
I don't know how "more than a legend" became "getting legend", but that was what I was typing !!! Crikey! |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 08:22 |
I don't know how "more than a legend" became "getting legend", but that was what I was typing !!! Crikey! |
Invisible Woman 02.05.2019 09:18 |
Mika, thanks for the translate :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.05.2019 11:12 |
FreddieDearien why are you even listing Queen_Memes.KL in your stupid straight girls rant when she's gay and pretty open about being gay? Again you're trying to troll but it's not working. How much money have you raised for the Mercury Phoenix Trust? Because she's raised a shit ton with her page. But I guess she's just some straight girl who loves gay men too much and contributes nothing to Freddie and such huh. Get a fucking life you dip. You already got busted for lying about "Larry". You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. |
Dustin Zimmerman 02.05.2019 11:21 |
Hey FreddieDearie which one are you since you were 'brave' enough to post s screenshot of Instagram without your own profile pic showing at the bottom of the screen LOL. Are you....Hendricksgin? Letstalksylvester? MelinaMercuri? Diana Foster? Which Mary obsessed anti gay stretching lame ass are you? Which of your many fake throw away account are you uses this time : Oh and did you know that you're able to NOT post here if you really think Thor and Lee are just trying to cash in on Freddie like you say. Little known fact, nobody has a gun up to your head forcing you to post here any more. You could actually....not post if you don't agree with Thor and Lee and trukt believe the claims you're making. But you won't stop because you're a transparent troll. A middle aged woman with far too much time on her hands and a mental illness. I guess troll on! |
LaureG 02.05.2019 11:39 |
Thanks for the warm welcome. I have once tried to watch Queen + Adam on the net but really I don't like it... i just can't. I'm not judging anyone, just giving my personal feeling. Just a question have some of you been to a Queen convention? |
Rainbow61 02.05.2019 11:45 |
FreddieDarling, We don't have "bank holidays" here is the US. The next national holiday is Memorial Day, which is always celebrated on the last Monday in May. This year it is on May 27. |
HappyJig 02.05.2019 11:49 |
Thor has already admitted to a close friend (who thought nothing of telling others) that he is doing this book for money. Did you guys know Peter Freestone won't take his calls now? Peter told his friend James that he has gotten multiple attempts from them to communicate with him and he avoids them. Why could that be? My guess would be because Peter doesn't want to accosiate with money grabbers. When Peter Freestone who you claim to be your friend won't answer your calls or emails you have an issue. Thor I have a question for you. Why are publishers fighting over signing everyone else's book but not your own you've been hustling for over a year? You screwed yourself here. You gave all your stories away in the pages of these 2 threads. And you made it too obvious you were after money. Oh and I can email any publisher you can. And before anyone starts with me, fuck Mary Austin. I don't stan her money grabbing ass either. What interests me is how Thor seems to really dig the attention he gets here from the same 6 or 7 people and keeps carrying on as if he is still close pals with Freestone. |
HappyJig 02.05.2019 11:52 |
Oh and by the way I'm not referring to Peter Freestone not taking their Skype calls a few weeks ago. I'm referring to him now refusing to write Thor and Lee's book forward. As in he is no longer speaking to them to avoid doing it. So Thor why is Peter Freestone now not interested in talking to you or doing your book? |
Katydyd5 02.05.2019 11:56 |
LaureG, I've never been to a Queen convention, though there is one fairly close to me. I have a friend who will go to upcoming shows, and the movie with me, but she has her limits. I'd really like to go to Montreux, but that is just a dream. |
Katydyd5 02.05.2019 11:58 |
FreddieDarling, is a Bank Holiday like a national holiday in the US where everything is shut down? I realize I could just Google, but I'm in a hurry here because I have someplace to be and I'm being lazy. |
LaureG 02.05.2019 11:59 |
Katydy5, why just a dream ? Where are you from?? I once went there two years ago but we didn't really stop. We were on our way for the holidays.. beautiful and peaceful place.... |
HappyJig 02.05.2019 12:05 |
Ps you guys won't drown me out by continuing your conversation around me in Hope's that my comment will be buried. I'll keep reposting it every couple of hours. Peter Freestone used to take Thor and Lee's calls and now he does not. Now he says he is avoiding them. Thir admitted to someone he is doing this book for money. Does nobody wonder why Lee isn't here now? He has more sense and doesn't need the constant attention and approval Thor does. |
Katydyd5 02.05.2019 12:10 |
LaureG, I'm in the US, and the cost would be prohibitive for me. It must be such a lovely place, I wish I could go. |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 12:27 |
Happy jig, I didn't know he was refusing to take their calls. That sounds unlike Peter. He always seems like a lovely feller. And he seemed to love the NY Daughters. Katydyd5. Yes my dear they are like your National Holiday days. When I was a kid I thought that idpf you worked in a bank those were the only days you ever had off work! So, I thought I certainly won't work in banking! :-) It's about to pee down with rain here! Dear me! Dark as night! |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 12:27 |
Happy jig, I didn't know he was refusing to take their calls. That sounds unlike Peter. He always seems like a lovely feller. And he seemed to love the NY Daughters. Katydyd5. Yes my dear they are like your National Holiday days. When I was a kid I thought that idpf you worked in a bank those were the only days you ever had off work! So, I thought I certainly won't work in banking! :-) It's about to pee down with rain here! Dear me! Dark as night! |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 12:27 |
Good morning, Doughnut have a good one at work .Positive thoughts and coming your way. |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 12:27 |
Happy jig, I didn't know he was refusing to take their calls. That sounds unlike Peter. He always seems like a lovely feller. And he seemed to love the NY Daughters. Katydyd5. Yes my dear they are like your National Holiday days. When I was a kid I thought that idpf you worked in a bank those were the only days you ever had off work! So, I thought I certainly won't work in banking! :-) It's about to pee down with rain here! Dear me! Dark as night! |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 12:29 |
Mika, Thankyou you are a gem and a little sweet heart. |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 12:31 |
Perk,Glad too see you things are looking up so stick with us.Its a fun place to chat. |
HappyJig 02.05.2019 12:32 |
Peter Freestone used to take Thor and Lee's calls and now he does not. Now he says he is avoiding them. Thor admitted to someone he is doing this book for money. |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 12:33 |
Annie, I havent had the opportunity to meet you but I'm glad you a are here.I look forward to chatting with you. |
HappyJig 02.05.2019 12:34 |
Actually it sounds a lot like Peter. He avoids things he thinks will cause trouble for him. I'm sure he accepted their request for him to write the forward before he realized how they come across here. |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 12:39 |
Sorry for multiple posts. I swear I only tapped once! :-0 |
koala 02.05.2019 13:22 |
mika, thanks for the translation. I had to laugh at the image of Phoebe and Freddie dancing in the living room :) Welcome LaureG and Annie65, it's awesome seeing new friendly fans dropping in. I can't wait to watch the Queen + AL special after reading all the positive responses here.Personally, I think Adam is a great singer and performer. and even though it took some getting used to, I think he's doing the songs justice, which all anyone could ask for. I'm not sure I'd pay 300$ to see them, though. I don't think Queen tickets ever cost anywhere near that, even when adjusted for inflation. I know it's a big production, but that seems awfully steep. |
back.chat 02.05.2019 13:31 |
Mika Thank you so much for the translation! I also had to laugh at the thought of Phoebe being a stand-in for Debby. He didn't lie when he said he didn't have an ordinarily 9 to 5 job! Jo T. Yes, I was talking about the second one, where Freddie's wearing the sombrero. He was so fired up during that whole show. And then from the minute he walked on stage for WWRY the second time: IT WAS ON! So powerfull, to me that was the best live performance of that song. |
back.chat 02.05.2019 13:35 |
Oh and I've seen the Q+AL special, well mostly... the last part is removed from YouTube. Although I was hesitant, I must say I'm plesantly surprised with Adam. He seems humble and pays respect to Freddie in any way possible. It was also nice to see they included footage of Freddie. |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 15:41 |
Honey, Your a fairly new poster I havent met you but welcome we are glad you are here. |
Vilashinii 02.05.2019 15:42 |
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Katydyd5 02.05.2019 15:44 |
Jo, you mentioned being happy to be able to put a face with the name Rudi Dolezol. I bet you've seen a lot of him in videos, you just didn't realize who he was. He's actually the person doing the "musical prostitute" interview, though you never see him. It's the first time he met Freddie, and after they finished he offered to do music videos with his partner for the guys if they needed someone. He and his partner became a major force in their work. Not sure, but was it DoRo productions?? Something like that. If you look at many of the "making of" videos on YouTube, you'll see Rudi. I enjoy watching the behind the scenes stuff because you learn a lot about relationships and I like how he interacts with Freddie. He's especially solicitous of Freddie in the making of TWTDOUL. I always get a kick out of the jackets he seems to favor. I think they are kind of a regrettable fashion choice, but what do I know? My uniform is jeans and tee shirts. If I am correct, Rudi lives in Florida now with his wife and sons. He's recently done an award winning documentary about Whitney Houston. |
Vilashinii 02.05.2019 15:46 |
HappyJig, what's your evidence in claiming Peter ignores their calls? Did he connect with you telepathically? And even if he did, it doesn't matter anyway because you CANNOT deny/disprove the friendship Freddie shared with Thor and Lee. Show some respect |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 15:52 |
Peter Freestone is one of the sweetest guys he takes time out of his busy schedule to talk with Freddie's friends and fans.I emailed him once and he responded back that day.However, he cant always do that he sometimes falls behind he is involved in so many projects.He is making a difference.He is using his experiences working with Freddie for good and I'm proud and Freddie would be too I'm sure.His smile can light up a room he is a truly loyal person that speaks the truth and is always willing to give his FRIENDS a helping hand. |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 15:54 |
Vila,Hello welcome! welcome! |
mika251 02.05.2019 16:16 |
Katydyd5 wrote: J. He's actually the person doing the "musical prostitute" interview, though you never see him. It's the first time he met Freddie, and after they finished he offered to do music videos with his partner for the guys if they needed someone. .Katydyd, just a small correction, Rudi met Freddie for the first time in 1982. Look for an interview on YouTube, it was in a bar, Freddie drinking a beer and they spoke about Queen's collaboration with Mack. Freddie said he was a genius. Then they did an interview in France, Freddie sitting in a blue tran for kids. It was in 1984? The interviewer was also Rudi, you can recognize his accent. And then musical prostitute interview happened in 1985 and shortly afterwards their first video for One Vision |
mika251 02.05.2019 16:30 |
Thank you all for your kind words it was my pleasure to share it with you. Anyway, if you come across something interesting in German, or in Czech (I doubt it will happen but Phoebe lives here and occasionally he appears on local TV) and it wasn't translated yet, let me know and I will have a look :) It's a good practice for me a my favourite subject to write about so ... No problem at all ,:) |
back.chat 02.05.2019 16:33 |
Chevyman Thank you for the warm welcome! Katydyd Thank you for pointing that out! I didn't realize it's also Rudi who is involved with Can I Be Me. |
Katydyd5 02.05.2019 17:20 |
Mika, thanks for the correction. I actually knew the facts you shared, just had my timeline confused. I'm terrible with dates and should know better than to make statements like that. I love the interview where they talk about Mack being a genius. Freddie seems to get such a kick out of Rudi telling him that Mack also called Freddie a genius in return. I also saw the interview in the blue vehicle too. |
mika251 02.05.2019 17:32 |
Yes exactly, he was so delighted to hear Mack's opinion ?? but who wouldn't? |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 18:11 |
Yes , mack is a smart man very intelligent and a good judge of character. |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 18:23 |
Katydyd, I thought I knew alot about the interviews but you pointed out some stuff I didnt know job well done.Thanks for the info. |
doughnut 02.05.2019 18:45 |
Mika the interview where Freddie is sitting in a blue train is one of my favs because of the way he looks around the train bemused at the start. He looks so bemused , it's like he is thinking 'what am I doing in this train '. Mika I also agree...Love of my Life is Freddie's song and only to be sung by Freddie. I love you saying 'the nerve of him' you really made me smile. I also feel that no one else should sing 'these are the days of our lives' and I found it hard watching Adam sing 'Who wants to live forever' as Freddie singing this one live gives me chills and so for me no one does it better than Freddie. Thank you also for offering to help with future translations. A Rainbow said ( I think it was Rainbow) I love the fact that we are talking to each other from different parts of the world. I have always been a bit cautious of online chatting but you guys seem ace. Rudy seems a really good guy and I too love watching him interact with Freddie during that final video. I feel his book and new documentary should be pretty ace. FreddieDarling...I am pleased to hear your stickies are alive and well. What a relief that I wasn't the only one in tears watching that documentary. By the end I was sobbing. JO.T you hit the nail on the head saying it's like an ex with a new lover. I am really really really trying but I just don't like Adam with Brian and Roger. I don't like the pitch of Adam's voice and well he just isn't Freddie. I know it's not his fault and he isn't trying to be Freddie but I just can't go there. I was willing myself to be converted by all of your positive comments but it isn't happening. How would you guys feel about them bringing out new music? Do you think it would work ? Welcome everyone that is new, the more the merrier. Just to add that I love hearing stories from Thor and Lee BUT I also love chatting with all of you lovely lot. So in summary I am not here just because of Thor/Lee. I have added the link to Cameron Deakins youtube channel where he is reviewing the film. He comes across lovely and he has even been to see Queen and Adam himself in London. Give it a watch as it's heartwarming link |
lsg 02.05.2019 18:55 |
Katydyd5 wrote: LaureG, I've never been to a Queen convention, though there is one fairly close to me. I have a friend who will go to upcoming shows, and the movie with me, but she has her limits. I'd really like to go to Montreux, but that is just a dream.Katydy I’ll go with you! We can try for his 75th in 3 years time. Since it’s a milestone it should potentially be a more lavish one. For real |
lsg 02.05.2019 18:59 |
Katydyd5 wrote: LaureG, I've never been to a Queen convention, though there is one fairly close to me. I have a friend who will go to upcoming shows, and the movie with me, but she has her limits. I'd really like to go to Montreux, but that is just a dream.Katydy I will go with you in 2 years. It’ll be his 75th. For real |
lsg 02.05.2019 19:00 |
Katydyd5 wrote: LaureG, I've never been to a Queen convention, though there is one fairly close to me. I have a friend who will go to upcoming shows, and the movie with me, but she has her limits. I'd really like to go to Montreux, but that is just a dream.Katydy I will go with you in 2 years. It’ll be his 75th. For real |
doughnut 02.05.2019 19:02 |
wouldn't it be great if we could all meet at a convention.... Don't forget to watch deaky's youtube :) |
koala 02.05.2019 19:07 |
Doughnut, you probably already know this, but Roger and Brian released a new original album with Paul Rodgers called The Cosmos Rocks, back when it was Q+PR. I haven't listened to it (yet), but I don't think it was particularly well received. It'd be interesting to see how a collaboration with Adam would turn out, especially since Adam writes contemporary pop (it might now mix that well). But if that were to happen, I don't think the Queen name should be used - like with Smile, it would be an entirely new chemical (musical) reaction which would just happen to involve two ex-Queen members. |
doughnut 02.05.2019 19:21 |
Koala i do know of Cosmos Rocks but I haven't given it a try. I have seen interviews since they toured with Paul Rogers and they admit that it didn't really work, Paul Rogers is more of a blues singer and they also realized people weren't keen on new material with another singer. However, this was several years ago so people may be more positive if they decide to do this with Adam. I agree that it shouldn't be under the queen name. |
FMLOVER 02.05.2019 20:30 |
Who is this Shaun person some are taking about? I know Thor and Lee were good friends with Freddie in New York, but who is Shaun? |
doughnut 02.05.2019 21:21 |
Fmlover scroll back and you will see who he is . |
The Black Queen's Kid 02.05.2019 21:25 |
Koala and Doughnut, didn't Brian reference the disappointing reception of the previous album as being a reason for Queen + AL not to record one? I think Adam Lambert is working on his own solo projects still. I'm not sure how fans would react to "new" music from Queen. |
doughnut 02.05.2019 21:35 |
Black queen I think you are spot on . Younger fans may welcome it but older ones not so . Their own solo projects don't seem to do as well either . Queen is queen and it's hard to change the formula |
The Black Queen's Kid 02.05.2019 21:40 |
There has been talk from some sources about a "sequel" to Bohemian Rhapsody to tell the story of what happened to the band after we lost Freddie. I'm thinking that this television special must have been what was being referenced. No theatrical release. Maybe everybody else picked up on that right away and I'm just slow. Wouldn't be the first time that happened. :0) |
Blenkolove 02.05.2019 23:20 |
Greetings friends!! Did anyone catch Villiers live this afternoon?? Can anyone give me a synopsis?????......i only caught the end when she said her dog was doing better. ;( |
Blenkolove 02.05.2019 23:22 |
FreddieDarling....it's also raining cats n dogs here!! Loads of thunder....which I just love...as long as I'm at home when it happens!! Ttfn |
FreddieDarling 02.05.2019 23:25 |
Upon rewatching the German show with the Freddie Hologram I noticed that at 5:28 while Peter Freestone is looking down as Freddie sings the closing line of "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" Peter seems to mouth the line "I Still Love You." I'd be interested to learn the opinions of other thread members as to whether Peter was quietly singing along, or if his words were directed to his best friend Freddie ? Only nice, reasonable, people need reply to this straw poll. :-) Thank You. |
The Squirrelly One 02.05.2019 23:29 |
Re Villiers live today, you didn't miss anything important. About who Shaun is he was hired by Beach to work security for GL after Freddie died. |
Blenkolove 02.05.2019 23:37 |
TSO.....so Nice you are with us again! You've been missed!! TY for update......her lives are supposed to replay for 24hrs...but that doesn't happen much anymore! Villiers lives are just the Best! As a matter of fact, she is the Only reason I joined IG!!!!!!! |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 23:40 |
Bk,The queen productions is considering a sequel but I dont think it is written in stone yet. |
CHEVYMAN 02.05.2019 23:44 |
FM , lover Shaun was security hired after Freddie died to over look things.To carryout security at garden lodge. |
Rainbow61 03.05.2019 00:02 |
It would be a blast to go to Montreux for Freddie's 75th birthday. That is on my bucket list if I win the lottery! I wonder how many tickets they sell for that event? They have sold out for the past few years. Has anyone ever been to one of the Freddie birthday bashes? I called my mother about 5 minutes before the Queen + Adam Lambert special aired the other day to let her know it was on. She said she would start watching it (I think as a favor to me) but ended up watching the entire show and thought it was really good. I have sent her so many YouTube videos over the past few years. She has come to really admire Freddie's talent and thinks he had an amazing voice. So not only are there new, young fans coming on board, there are new, "senior" fans as well. My mom is 77. |
thundergod 03.05.2019 00:13 |
I am still here. Just taking a break for now. Exciting news coming soon. |
Blenkolove 03.05.2019 00:25 |
....What a tease you are, Thor! Just give us the release date so we can buy it already!!!!!! :) |
Annie65 03.05.2019 00:50 |
Thanks Chevyman. I guess I never really introduced myself to anyone so here goes. I’m 53 and a retired personal trainer. Yep. I really do love working out and I keep adapting as I age. Functional training was my specialty, mostly for women. I now work in a jr/sr high school running the office which I sort of consider my retirement since the hours are pretty good. I’ve been a fan of Queen ever since my teenage years and have great memories of singing Bohemian Rhapsody at the top of my lungs at many a keg party. I love dry wines..both red and white and tend to taste a few too many on the weekends at times. I really admire Freddie Mercury as a musician and the more I learn about him, as a human being. I am totally enjoying finding others who feel the same way. I am a relatively quiet poster and will chime in from time to time. Thats all for now....sorry it got a little long. |
Annie65 03.05.2019 00:51 |
Oh....and that sounds interesting Thor! Again....need a smiley emoticon |
Katydyd5 03.05.2019 01:40 |
Annie65, thanks for the intro! I feel like you've been with us for a while, but all of that was new to me. I'm glad to hear you will chime in when you want. I thought we might have lost you. |
lsg 03.05.2019 03:37 |
FreddieDarling wrote: Upon rewatching the German show with the Freddie Hologram I noticed that at 5:28 while Peter Freestone is looking down as Freddie sings the closing line of "These Are The Days Of Our Lives" Peter seems to mouth the line "I Still Love You." I'd be interested to learn the opinions of other thread members as to whether Peter was quietly singing along, or if his words were directed to his best friend Freddie ? Only nice, reasonable, people need reply to this straw poll. :-) Thank You. |
lsg 03.05.2019 03:45 |
Freddiedarling, I gave my opine, but not sure where it went, unless its delayed. So I will attempt here. I think its a little of both. I believe its also bittersweet nostalgia as well. It made me sad to see it and hear it, so you can only imagine how it was for Peter and Jim. A bygone era of a loved one. Also, a few months back, I saw a Peter interview where he said “ I guess I was in love with him, only I never would have slept with him” So I believe Peter was singing along, as most were, but I also think he meant it at the same time, but more for the love of a close and trusted friend at that moment in Germany. |
lsg 03.05.2019 03:57 |
I’ll see if I can locate that Freestone video. There’s another video with Mack but its a audio radio interview with Midge Ure or produced with Midge, where Mack said Freddie had an emotional breakdown and confided something to him in the studio during Mr. Bad Guy in Munich. Freddie ordered everyone out of the studio except Mack. The radio interview is the only one where one can hear it. Its Macks voice without a doubt. A bit surprised he mentioned it but after so many years I guess one feels its ok. The same Interview had several people close to Freddie in it. |
mika251 03.05.2019 04:33 |
Lsgp03 Mack mentioned something like this also in The Great Pretender documentary. One of the saddest moments for me, I felt for Freddie so much. Poor thing. To be perfectly honest and I really hope I won't be misunderstood now, sometimes I'm angry at his close friends that nobody talked sense to him and they just enjoyed wild life without really considerong what he was going through - I think it was Brian who mentioned in one documentary something like "we should care about him more and he could be here now". It seems Munich period was very happy and very difficult for him at the same time. I'm still trying to really understand what it was all about and I still don't know. |
NotQuiteAShilling 03.05.2019 05:04 |
Thor so exciting to hear you have news to share! Yee Haw! |
doughnut 03.05.2019 06:22 |
Mika I feel exactly the same , why didn't someone stop him but in David Evans book it mentions that either he or David minns spoke to John and asked why did no-one stop him and John replied basically saying Freddie would not listen . Tbh Peter is lovely but it's him that I think could have tried but why he didn't who knows . Again no-one knew Freddie would end up with aids but it wasn't known about in the beginning. It's all so tragic and there are many what if questions . I have seen Peter say he was in love with Freddie but wouldn't have sex with him in 'Freddie's loves' I think he meant it in a friendship way.I have also read Mack mention Freddie's emotional breakdown . I'm sure Peter Hince mentioned it too. Mack said Barbara was a bad influence at that time. If I'm honest I feel Jim came along at the right time and helped Freddie emotionally on so many levels. As Terry said 'Jim gave him the love he hadn't had for a long time '. Freddie darling I imagine Peter is saying ' I still live you ' to freddie. Bless him . Right got to go , just had to sort out my two fighting girls , just what I need first thing lol |
doughnut 03.05.2019 06:24 |
Oh villiers live cut off mid way through , did that happen to anyone else ? I'm amazed at what she has found out. Just crazy ! |
doughnut 03.05.2019 06:26 |
Oh poop I've one more thing I don't believe they are planning a sequel , I personally don't want one . It took long enough to do the first . We know the outcome and it doesn't need to be said unless they make it about queen after Freddie |
doughnut 03.05.2019 06:28 |
Annie I'm 46 and a love a few glasses of the white stuff at the weekend . Cheers |
mika251 03.05.2019 06:51 |
Oh doughnut what did villiers find out? Now Im really curious! Where can I find it? :) I agree with you completely. I also think Freddie wouldn't listen. He was a grown man. And nobody knows, maybe they tried. And I don't want to judge his lifestyle it was something which was completely up to him, I just feel sad that there were so many people around and some of them influenced him very badly whereas the good one's couldn't do anything. I still sound quite judgmental and I don't want to. I don't believe they could save him from getting AIDS. But he could be happier at that time. Maybe. We can't really know. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 07:07 |
Mika I will pm you . |
doughnut 03.05.2019 07:11 |
And to me you don't sound judgemental just concerned and sad that things weren't different. I feel the same . I wish Freddie was still here although I wonder what he would be like as an old man lol |
FreddieDarling 03.05.2019 07:17 |
@lsgp03 ( I keep reading that as LGPS as that's my pension fund company) Yes, Doughnut was correct, it as in "Freddie's Loves" in which Peter said that upon reflection that yes he thought he as in love with Freddie, that he wouldn't have had sex with him in a million years, but yes he loved him (sweet!) The Mack statement about Freddie's emotional breakdown in Munich came from the BBC Radio 4 Documentary The Mysterious Mr. Mercury (both of these are available in YourTube) where Midge Ure investigated the enduring appeal of Freddie, and interviewed various of Freddie's friends and colleagues. I have to say it isn't information I would share about a friend even after they had passed. Confidences are sacrosanct. But, I do love Mack and I think he gave Freddie at least SOME emotional and social stability during his residency in Germany. Freddie was a force of nature, especially at this time in his life when he was like an express train hurtling around from one station to the next sampling the bacchanalian delights at each. He'd be pretty hard to redirect, I imagine. Naturally when somebody dies we all torture ourselves over things we have said, or not said, done or failed to do. That's human nature. I have a copy of an earlier draft of the Bohemian Rhapsody script and in it is a passage where Freddie asks the band to look our for him if he get out of control at any point and sort of come in and get him back. While I found the film to be full of half-truths, and sometimes blatant lies, I think that Brian May must have suggested at some time in the writing process that he regrets not trying to rein Freddie in more and feels some (perhaps erroneous) guilt for failing to do so. I know that Brian, Roger and John miss Freddie terribly and were heartbroken at his loss. Nobody can argue that point. They gave each described Freddie as their best friend. That speaks volumes to me. Have a great Friday everyone. A nice long weekend for we Brits.:-) I'm off to see how the local elections went yesterday. |
mika251 03.05.2019 07:31 |
Freddie Darling thank you. That's exactly what I wanted to say but couldn't find right words for it. I have heard the BBC 4 documentary but you wrote "both are available" - what is the second one? And that copy of Bohemian rhapsody! That's very interesting! Would it be very daring to ask you, if you could share it somewhere? I'd love to hear it. EDIT: I have read your post again and now I understand you mean the movie script, not the real song :) (I missed the word script for the first time). So you don't have to share anything, I just thought it was something the real Freddie said. I wish a nice weekend to UK and great working Friday to everywhere else ?? |
Deedree 03.05.2019 07:34 |
Good evening from Brisbane Australia!! OMG I am a newbie and I have been away from here only a few days and I had to read for ages to catch up! You guys are fast movers! I have noticed a few people talking about going to Montreux in two years time. I have 3 other friends here in Australia and we are all going together then too. Can’t wait! It would be great if a few of us could meet over there! It will be a big one for sure!! Let’s hope those trolls are gone on here too! Thor, Lee and Shaun I have enjoyed reading your comments so much on here and the earlier thread. Love you guys! Please stay xxx |
Perk 03.05.2019 08:02 |
Hey guys I’m having a frustrating night I’m in creative fun catchy and dorky captions mood and guess what!? When I send a pic to IG it works but I put text with it and it fails :’( This happened to anyone else? |
FreddieDarling 03.05.2019 08:29 |
mika251:. From what I've read in your posts we seem to share many opinions regarding Freddie and Queen generally. :-) The other video available on YouTube I referred to was Freddie's Loves. It is a much maligned "documentary" , and they do rather try to sensationalise Freddie's lifestyle, but there are some nice bits ino. Love seeing Thor and Vince the Barman, and our lovely Phoebe. As in most things we watch and read Ty have to view that's with a slightly cynical sceptical mind and not wholeheartedly believe everything, or that everything was said in the context depicted, but I think those of s who have studied Freddie have see developed a pretty accurate truth-o-meter. I think I'm on my master's degree in Freddie Mercury now! :-)! Fascinating subject! Perk, no I'm afraid emoticons don't work here. You have to use the old school customised emoticons made up from secondary characters , you know. :-) ;-} :0) :-( :-/ :-0 :-D and the like. Well written what you mean. ;-] |
FreddieDarling 03.05.2019 08:43 |
God, that post was full of errors! I apologize! Perk I meant we'll know what you mean. (re hand-made emoticons) And the watching with a cynical, sceptical mind should read WE have to view it with a slightly cynical....... My posts are always error ridden! :-) often predictive text decides I didn't mean to write what I just typed and rewrites it as gobbledygook! Must Proof Read Must Proof Read |
Jo T. 03.05.2019 09:05 |
doughnut wrote: JO.T you hit the nail on the head saying it's like an ex with a new lover. I have added the link to Cameron Deakins youtube channel where he is reviewing the film. He comes across lovely and he has even been to see Queen and Adam himself in London. Give it a watch as it's heartwarming linkSorry, hon, that wasn’t my quote. I hate to steal credit. I have yet to watch the recent Queen and Adam Lambert doc. However, I watched the Cameron Deacon link you shared. I’ve always had a soft spot for John Deacon. His son, Cam, does have a goofy charm, but I seriously question his taste in music. How can the biological son of a bassist from one of the greatest rock and roll bands be a self-proclaimed “huge fan of K-pop?” Is that what Millennials consider music these days? K-pop? Seriously? Roll over Mercury. Maybe I should be more forgiving. I wanted to be a Spice Girl back in the ‘90s. “Tell me what you want what you really, really want . . . “ - @FreddieDarling, you said it best - and so eloquently. Freddie WAS a force of nature and who can reign in Mother Nature? Hindsight is 20/20. After all, Freddie was the one who wrote “Don’t Stop Me Now.” Could anybody? |
lsg 03.05.2019 12:02 |
doughnut wrote: Mika I feel exactly the same , why didn't someone stop him but in David Evans book it mentions that either he or David minns spoke to John and asked why did no-one stop him and John replied basically saying Freddie would not listen . Tbh Peter is lovely but it's him that I think could have tried but why he didn't who knows . Again no-one knew Freddie would end up with aids but it wasn't known about in the beginning. It's all so tragic and there are many what if questions . I have seen Peter say he was in love with Freddie but wouldn't have sex with him in 'Freddie's loves' I think he meant it in a friendship way.I have also read Mack mention Freddie's emotional breakdown . I'm sure Peter Hince mentioned it too. Mack said Barbara was a bad influence at that time. If I'm honest I feel Jim came along at the right time and helped Freddie emotionally on so many levels. As Terry said 'Jim gave him the love he hadn't had for a long time '. Freddie darling I imagine Peter is saying ' I still live you ' to freddie. Bless him . Right got to go , just had to sort out my two fighting girls , just what I need first thing lolDoughnut, what video? Is it on Villiers page? Thanks! |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 12:25 |
Doughnut,I do love my wine there is a place in Missouri that has the best winery they let you sample whatever you want.I go through twice just to make sure its good. |
Blenkolove 03.05.2019 12:50 |
Doughnut.... Happy Friday! Could you pm me what Villiers found out on her live? I missed it yesterday?? All my thanks! |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 12:58 |
I agree that Germany was a rough period for Freddie it seems without mentioning any names when you have someone that likes to party as much as you or more it can get pretty crazy.I'm thankful he had mack and his family to escape to when it was time for a break .He absolutely loved his boys and his wife.Mack was there for him when he needed him always. |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 13:02 |
Deedree,This is a nice place to escape too when you need some peace.Sometimes it's nice to just set back and read what everybody writes.We have a nice group of people. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 13:02 |
Chevyman thank you. I went back a little further in the thread and read about him and his experience in Garden lodge. Shaun you have NO Business talking about Mr. Mercury and the love he had for Jim. You weren’t there to witness their relationship to say something like that. Also, according to Mercury and Me Mary didn’t let Jim take anything, so how did you end up with some of Freddie’s personal items which you sold in auction? All of Freddie’s personal items were past over to Mary Austin after Freddie’s death. |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 13:05 |
Doughnut, I think Freddie said once he would do his songs in a wheelchair if he had too.He also said he didn't want to be old.He thought he knew and said he wouldn' make old bones. |
emdee0809 03.05.2019 13:18 |
FreddieDarling - a master's degree in Freddie Mercury is a great accomplishment :) I am nowhere near that level in my "studies" but thanks to many here I may be ready to move up to the next level - still a beginner though - please no tests - I am terrible with the timelines and remembering who said what! In reference to Freddie's lifestyle, what changed from the era of "Don't Stop Me Now" to his days in Munich. I read that Roger and Brian hated this song because they did not like Freddie's seemingly out of control behavior. The Munich years have been portrayed as the "black hole" of Freddie's life. Would most agree? Peter was so very loyal to Freddie and there is no doubt he loved him. He stood by him and witnessed many things he probably wished he could have changed. Freddie was an adult, making his own decisions, and Peter wasn't going to tell him what to do. His job was to look after him and he did. We know Peter was so much more than an employee. Freddie was fortunate to have him by his side. Reinhold Mack seemed to be one of the positive influences in Munich. This is the first I heard of the breakdown - so sad. |
lsg 03.05.2019 14:23 |
Freddie himself said that at the end, the result of his decisions were down to him and no one else. Doughnut can you also let me know about villiers video? Thanks! |
doughnut 03.05.2019 14:24 |
emdee I also read in Peter H's book that Freddie had a breakdown one day in the studio. He said that Freddie told everyone to leave saying that it was ok for all of them having wifes and children . Also in Brian May's Queen in 3D he also states that during the writing of it's a hard life and the recording of the video, they were both going through heartache in their relationships and the person causing Freddie's was there on the day of the shot. I believe this to be Winnie. Brain has also stated that he wished that he had looked after Freddie better but hindsight is a wonderful thing. FreddieDarling I do believe that pieces of information given by those that knew Freddie help us to understand the complex man that he was. I don't feel it was out of place for Mack to talk about it , I feel he was just trying to get across how lonely Freddie may have felt. Mack also said that he felt Freddie would have wanted to settle down with children and that is one thing I disagree on . I just think Freddie was searching for something so desperately but he was covering it up with his wild partying etc etc. He said he was trying to hard in an interview with David Wigg , he'd realised he didn't have to try so hard and this was when he had met Jim. Brain has said that it was a period of emotional turmoil for all of them, bless him but John disappeared to Bali and so Mack said someone else then buggered off skiing. Jo.T i have no idea who K Pop are so I will google it. However, I do believe there is a lot of bad music out there from untalented people and the young lap it up. My youngest is being educated and she also likes Stevie Wonder!!! I feel proud. Mika I shared an alternative B Rap script a few pages back. If you have the patience scroll back and you will find. It's an interesting read. Deedree you lucky lady, I am very jealous. How long are you going for? chevyman I need to visit that winery lol .....you are right he used to joke that he would be wheeled out in his tights in a wheelcare to play bo rap lol . |
doughnut 03.05.2019 14:33 |
lsg I will pm you know :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 14:33 |
I know FMLover was another account for hendricksgin. You claim you went back and read but you're ignoring what JIM told Shaun about Freddie. It IS his buisness to say how Jim and Freddke felt about each other because Jim TOLD Shaun you retard. You're asking truly retarded questions. He explains multiple times why Jim had items. DID YOU READ PETERS SECOND BOOK WHERE MARY'S STUPID ASS TOLD THEM THEY COULD TAKE WHATEVER THEY BOUGHT FOR FREDDIE AND THEN ONCE HER GREED TOOK OVER AND SHE REALISED HOW MUCH STUFF THEY HAD BOUGHT FOR FREDDIE SHE CHANGED HER MIND?! no. Of course you didnt. Cuz that's not included in Lesley Ann Jones books :} |
The Squirrelly One 03.05.2019 14:38 |
Fmlover your bevahior is appalling. You must not be familiar with what happened to Freddie Mercurys property after his death. I would suggest you read Peter Freestone's 2nd book. He explains why they all got some stuff from GL. I know you read the parts where Shaun discussed the multiple letters from Freddie to Jim that talked about how much Freddie loved him. I also know you just desperately want to believe Freddie didnt care for Jim. We know who you are behind your many accounts and btw we are very close to finding your IP and confirming all accounts. Your harassment and trolling is coming to an end. We're all tired of it. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 14:39 |
FM LOVER Shaun won't be able to reply I'm afraid as he was sent to the naughty corner after we found out that he and the other men had a F You party at Garden Lodge and that he has told us how much Freddie and Jim loved each other. He is not allowed out until we feel it has been punished enough. On the other matter, I gave Mary a call and she said that as it's so long ago now she isn't bothered what was taken from Garden Lodge. She said she has no use for a man's belt and the cologne has probably gone off by now so she def doesn't want that back. Hope this helps :) |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 14:40 |
Emdee, It was his dealings with Barbara Valentin they were toxic together.They both had extreme personalities and partied to the extreme.She new everybody and their dog in Germany.I hate to say the people she knew weren't best of influences on him.Thats why he about lost himself there.She didnt judge him like Mary Austin or let him know hey you need to slow down.She was his side kick and a very negative one .They weren't good company for eachother. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 14:45 |
blenkolove will do |
doughnut 03.05.2019 15:00 |
following on from his bleak period during some of Munich, fast forward to July 1985 and live Aid and boy was he on fire and looking on top of the world :) It's safe to say things were on the up :) |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 15:01 |
The S one. It was a legitimate question I was asking Shaun. I never said that Freddie and Jim didn’t love each other because it is obviously they did till the end of Freddie’s life. My question was to Shaun as to how he would know Mr. Mercury absolutely love Jim if he personally wasn’t there to witness their relationship. Also, if you do find my IP Address you will see that I’m not associated with the other accounts. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 15:04 |
And Shaun typing something up saying he saw Freddie’s letters to Jim without no actual proof doesn’t make it a fact. Sorry! |
The Squirrelly One 03.05.2019 15:08 |
Fmlover we have all seen one of the letters from Freddie to Jim. It's nothing new and it's nothing he made up. It was verified by Peter Freestone as well. But you know all this. Dont you get tired of trying to knock Jim? The man is dead. Freddie loved him. That's never going to change regardless of how many accounts you make or stupid theories you try to come up with. |
Charlies boy 03.05.2019 15:10 |
Cracking up! I felt like something was off about that FM lover account. They way they type is really familiar. Now I know! Hey Hendricksgino1! Was it...Breanna or Cindy? No matter. There's about 40 people now trying to find you lol. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 15:13 |
CB dm me and tell me what you know please |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 15:19 |
And no baby girl you didn't just ask Shaun a question. You told him it was NONE of his buisness to say Freddie loved Jim because he wasn't there. Then you insinuated he didn't know what he was talking about with the items in Freddie's house. Because it caused you physical pain to go one full hour without insulting Jim, Freddie's love for him or any friend to Jim's lol. Hey why do you obsessively stalk Dennis on Instagram when you hate him so much and tear apart everything he says? You know people can track your IP on all your accounts if they've been harassed right? You managed to fuck with like 3 people on there who work for law enforcement/ have family that does. Your screen shots and lectures have all been recorded and do count as harassment. You have a tendency to message a bunch of accounts under that freddiemylovie thing and lose you shit on that too. You're seriously giving people all they need to get the authorities involved. Lmao all because you have an obsession with hating Jim Hutton LOL |
mika251 03.05.2019 15:20 |
doughnut wrote: FM LOVER Shaun won't be able to reply I'm afraid as he was sent to the naughty corner after we found out that he and the other men had a F You party at Garden Lodge and that he has told us how much Freddie and Jim loved each other. He is not allowed out until we feel it has been punished enough. On the other matter, I gave Mary a call and she said that as it's so long ago now she isn't bothered what was taken from Garden Lodge. She said she has no use for a man's belt and the cologne has probably gone off by now so she def doesn't want that back. Hope this helps :)doughnut that was a brilliant I nearly fell of my chair :D I know I'm still a newcomer here with no right to suggest anything but - how about ignoring obvious trolls? They never change their mind and repeat the same stuff all the time. I understand it must be incredibly hard to sit on fingers and write nothing when you are personally involved, but ... we can't ban them from here so let's pretend their posts don't exist, what do you think? It was so nice and positive here for last couple of days could we just try to keep it as it is? |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 15:30 |
We have tried ignoring her mika but she feeds off that too. We've found out quite alot about her recently (if you know about it please don't post it here) and we found that based on her actions and the amount of accounts she has, she likely has a real mental illness. So treating her any other typical troll and ignoring only pushes her to make more accounts. Just letting her know this time people have had enough and are actively looking into her and contacting who they know in law enforcement to get her IP address found. Her work on Queenzone is nothing at all compared to how she is on other forms of social media. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 15:36 |
mika yep I am 100% with you and my post of humour was the only one I intend to make and you have now made me smile with you nearing falling of the chair. :) I feel that name calling and swearing etc isn't going to make a difference Did you see my post about the alternative BO Rap scrip ? |
mika251 03.05.2019 15:39 |
Doughnut, thanks for the info about BoRhap scrip, I will have to dig it out :) That breakdown iin Peter H's book took place in Los Angeles I think. In my eyes this one wasn't that bad, little melodrama, but nothing very serious. On the other hand, Mack's story was far worse I couldn't stop to think about it. I mean, imagine how dangerously he lived at that time, he could be dead and gone in a minute already in 1984 with no Live Aid, no Innuendo, no proper goodbye, just... dissappeared. Like Jimi Hendrix and so many other stars. In case he was never expected to make old bones, we are lucky we got few more years with him. I would say, Munich time was a happy period for him in many ways. He could be himself, no papparazi, no hiding, he could live as he wanted. On the other hand, there were some toxic influences too. But I think, one couldn't work without another - had he stayed in London "under proper control" - how could he be happy like this? You can't chain the messenger of Gods :) It's a hard life is my favourite song from 80's period. Lyrics come very close to me, it's my personal song actually. I know exactly how he felt when he wrote it :) God I miss him. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 15:40 |
Dustin I have had an interesting convo with her on FB when she was her alter ego Cindy and another on Instagram when she was two more of her alter egos. She says the same thing time after time its so boring. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 15:41 |
You really are comparing me/mistaking me for Freddiemylovie and Hendricksgin01? I know those accounts on Instagram and I’m not associated with them. I signed up to Queenzone thinking people will be more civilized here, but it seems not at all. As soon as I joined I had encounters with little kids here thinking they can tell what someone’s sexuality is, and now because I questioned someone which claims to have been in Garden Lodge it’s an issue. It seem this is a place that people have to say “ yes ma’am whatever you say,you’re right” without questioning. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 15:45 |
Dustin I know all the information you’re talking about because you personally DM in Instagram she is not 19 and that’s not her on Fb |
doughnut 03.05.2019 15:46 |
mika I am sure it was in Munich , I will have to do some digging and find out. I miss him too and the more we talk about him the more I wish he was still around creating wonderful music. I agree that he must of had happy times in munich also, it can't have all been bad. He did say he enjoyed the freedom he experienced there and as Peter said, there were no stories in the press in the UK from that period. I also feel he very much loved Winnie but the language barrier must have been hard to keep it a deep and meaningful relationship. Peter says it was just about sex . |
The Squirrelly One 03.05.2019 15:46 |
FM please. Stop. Stop claiming you were just asking Shaun a question. We can all read. You told him he had no buisness talking about Freddie's love for Jim, claimed he was wrong about the items in garden lodge and then tried to suggest he made up the letters we have all already seen an know are real. Everything you ever do is to knock Jim. We all know about your accounts where you claim to be a Jim supporter and then message people with horrible lies about Jim. You're really exhausting. Please seek mental help. I'm genuinely concerned for yoy. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 15:48 |
What are you even talking about? I never found a Facebook for her. You follow some fo the accounts that talk about you and that's why you think you know something on the inside. You don't lol. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 15:55 |
The S one. Well, Shaun really has no business saying that Freddie absolutely loved Jim he claims to have seen multiple letters but there’s no actual proof of that. It’s just talk! The only letter that it’s on the Internet is a letter from Freddie to Jim which is been out for many years. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 15:56 |
can we stop now!! pllllleeeaaaseee, pretty please :) Let her rant and rant and rant and rant, we all know she is nuts so leave her to it. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 15:58 |
Hmmm know what else I don't get? How could you say she isn't 19 and that a certain Facebook isn't hers unless you are her? How do you know hendricksgins age or what age she isn't :} Seems to me the only person that could say that with confidence is hendricksgin |
mika251 03.05.2019 15:59 |
Doughnut Ok I meant this one so we probably speak about two different situations :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:01 |
FMlover I hate to be the one to remind you of this but Thor has also said Freddie deeply loved Jim and he did see then firsthand himself. I guess that means you'll have to come up with another way to try to dismiss Freddie's love for him. Here's a hint for your next attempt at making a fake account: don't try to belittle Freddie's feelings for Hutton. You out yourself every time. You seem to have a need to disprove Freddie's feelings for him and it's actually hilarious at this point LOL |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 16:07 |
Dustin have you ever heard the saying keep your enemies close? |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:09 |
Lol oh boy. You really are mentall ill. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 16:10 |
Thor is believable because he witnessed it not Shaun |
doughnut 03.05.2019 16:10 |
mika you are right I thought it was Munich. I have read so much about Freddie that it all starts to blend lol. Thank you for confirming this for me :) Still sad that he was feeling that way in those earlier days. To me it makes it all the more better that he met Jim, I am just sad that his life was cut short in his prime. I listened to 'live at the Bowl' on my way home from work today....you cannot beat Queen live!!! Freddie is just amazing live :) Somebody to love is my all time fav :) |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 16:12 |
Guys I know who she is now She was one of the accounts harassing me for a while on insta one of her screen names was blue eyed angel. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 16:14 |
Chevyman WRONG!! That’s just a crazy old lady |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:15 |
Uh huh. So you "believe Thor" (even though you spend tons of time talking about how he's only after cash) but you don't believe Shaun who says the literal exact same thing Thor does. Hmmm. It's almost as if you're trying desperately to back pedal lol. Oh btw we all know about your accounts where you claim to be cool with Jim but spend all your time talking shit about him and the Daughters. Claiming to believe Thor here means absolutely nothing when you look at your actions. You need real help. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:17 |
Nah Chevy that's not her. This one is just another of hendricksgin01's accounts. We've found 8 so far. And some of her personal ones. She's also being looked into by law enforcement now thanks to her obsessive screen shots from other accounts and harassment. |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 16:18 |
Dustin, This person is nuts she stalked me for the longest she is one of the ma fans that has gone crazy.She even threatened me at one point and then deleted it.I finally blocked her she Is the main one but she has others.Its like one of those cult things creepy stuff.I even tried to reason with her it wont work. |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:20 |
Yeah Diana is crazy. Annoying too. |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 16:22 |
Dustin ok There are alot out there .let's ignore it. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 16:23 |
Of course I’m going to believe Thor he was there and you keep mistaking me for Freddielovies/Hencksgin01 also my account on IG is only about Freddie you are just assuming it’s a Jim account lmao talk to you on the DM Dustin you too Chevyman |
doughnut 03.05.2019 16:26 |
it's 17:25 in the UK....is that too early for a glass of wine loooollll |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:26 |
Pass. We know exactly who you are. I don't care to chat with you here. You had your chance to talk to people thru DMs via Instagram and you hid. Chevy, don't bite and message her back. Trust me, it's not worth it. Let the law do it's job. |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 16:28 |
No Dustin I meant on Instagram we converse a lot there |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:32 |
You have multiple accounts on there. Some pretending to be in support of JH and some outright hating on him. A few with little Freddie on it at all. And yet all these accounts still spew the same garbage word for word. I'll let the law deal with it. I'm no cop. But people got tired of the harassment. You just should have learned when to stop. Good luck. |
mika251 03.05.2019 16:37 |
It's definitely not too early :) half past six in middle Europe, I'm already sipping mine :) Fun question: How many persons were in the bathroom when Freddie composed Crazy little thing? There are at least three different stories and all writers claim Freddie asked them to hand him the guitar :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:38 |
Back to Freddie though. I want to check out the Queen and Lambert doc but I don't see it on YouTube. Was it just shown in England or is there a site I can view it on? |
doughnut 03.05.2019 16:41 |
this is nuts as we are supposed to be fans of Queen and Freddie. All this bitching and biting is horrible. If someone doesn't like the subject topic then I suggest they scroll on or make a contribution about something you are genuinely interested in that is valid. Not what was or wasn't taken from garden lodge that you think is the property of Mary. It's funny how Jim gets all the trolls and yet he has done nothing wrong other than fall in love with a famous Rock Star who lead a very complicated life. I'm sick to death of the jim bashing and the mary bashing and everyone else bashing. Leave us alone to have nice , decent adult chats |
Blenkolove 03.05.2019 16:44 |
Dustin....it was on ABC...check their site....or someone said Hulu. |
Charlies boy 03.05.2019 16:45 |
I haven't seen any Mary bashing personally. What I do see is people speaking the truth. Unfortunately the truth happened to not make Mary look good. I have on the other hand seen people insulting Jim's physical traits his intellect and his motives. Some people would just rather keep their head in the sand I suppose. |
lsg 03.05.2019 16:45 |
Dustin Zimmerman wrote: Back to Freddie though. I want to check out the Queen and Lambert doc but I don't see it on YouTube. Was it just shown in England or is there a site I can view it on?Dustin, I saw it thru my cable company website, Xfinity, but a post pages back mentioned it was now on Hulu. Hope this helps. Thanks! |
doughnut 03.05.2019 16:46 |
mika I'm with Peter handing it to Freddie lol . who else claims to have done the deed for Freddie ? Glass in hand as we type...I've got my popcorn too ;) Dustin I watched it via a shared link on FB. I can see if I can send it to you if you like ? |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:47 |
Thanks I think I still have my hulu account. I don't have Xfinity so I don't think I can access it that way. Everyone seemed to have good things to say about it. Can't say I'm a huge Lambert guy but with everyone giving it such a good review I want to give it a shot. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 16:48 |
charlie if you mean me then no I don't have my head in the sand...I sure you don't mean me but just in case. We have done a little bashing of Mary in the past but it's a subject best left these days . I'm team Jim :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 16:48 |
If it's not too much trouble doughnut |
Charlies boy 03.05.2019 16:50 |
No I didn't mean you D |
doughnut 03.05.2019 16:51 |
dustin leave it with me :) |
FMLOVER 03.05.2019 16:52 |
With a few little Freddie photos. Dustin if you’re 100% that Jim account is me I give you permission to call me out. Be careful you just might be calling out the wrong account and putting a person in a bad situation. And it’s a bit disturbing how you talk to me about some of your friends on Instagram. If they only knew how you make fun of them. Well,between me and you on DM of course |
mika251 03.05.2019 17:03 |
doughnut wrote: mika I'm with Peter handing it to Freddie lol . who else claims to have done the deed for Freddie ?Freddie himself said in the interview in Leiden ("yeah I have lot's of sex" one) that he asked Paul (obviously Prentner). But he was with him in the room so maybe he just wanted to explain the situation as easy as possible. Then Peter H. And one guy in David Minn's book, James Arthurs claims Freddie shouted for a tape player from the bathroom. But he also said there were several people in his hotel suit getting ready for dinner so all stories can be true :) |
doughnut 03.05.2019 17:07 |
mika perhaps it's a bit like the story of who was with Freddie at the end ...Dave Clark being the first to say he was alone when Freddie just sat up and then went to sleep . Dustin I am struggling to share it outside of Facebook. I'll keep trying |
Dustin Zimmerman 03.05.2019 17:12 |
You know how I know it's you for a fact? I dont message people in Instagram. The only 3 people I have ever messaged on Instagram have been my cousin, Freestone and someone else i know personally outside of social media. Not only that but you've proven yourself a compulsive liar with that Larry Kelly thing and many other examples. Another one being that you and i have spoken. You have no idea who i am on Instagram and you know that. My name isn't even Dustin. You're showing yourself as Hendricksgin more and more with every comment. Let's see what you got. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 17:12 |
I'm thinking try the ABC webpage as I might be on there. Unless you want to tell me your name on FB and Ill find you on FB messenger and send it that way. |
mika251 03.05.2019 17:14 |
Probably. Everyone wants the be on stage when big things happen. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 17:21 |
Mika I keep meaning to say that I have had a few articles translated via google and I see what you mean. It is interesting how some of the words are translated. I understand your frustration now |
Charlies boy 03.05.2019 17:23 |
I think her names Sindy or Cindy but I'll see what the cops say. Dustin as you said leave it be and let the cops deal with her. She on all different kinds of social media and there's a whole group of people on Facebook that gathered screenshots and records of her hounding other accounts and the things she's said. She's been busted in multiple lies and keeps going after accounts and making more as she goes along. All together there are nearly 40 people she has harassed that have proof and they've finally gotten together to speak with their local police. She was doing a good job at fucking with people for a while but I don't think she ever counting on people getting together to compare notes. Don't respond to her any more. It may interfere with the legal side of things. |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 17:30 |
Doughnut, I got your back girl I was the main maddam bashing Mary for sure but it brings badVibes and energy.Our sweetJimmy boy only brings yellow Rose's to the table when talked about in a positive light.He just loved a complex person you are right I dont think one friend he has would say any different. |
mika251 03.05.2019 17:36 |
doughnut wrote: Mika I keep meaning to say that I have had a few articles translated via google and I see what you mean. It is interesting how some of the words are translated. I understand your frustration nowHaha Google translator is a great thing if you want to have fun ?? at my work I come across student's papers in German and you recognize instantly who simply translated via Google. Language doesn't work like this. I have a really funny story from my previous job when somebody translated a German article to English on Google and placed it on official website of quite serious company. There was a man named Mr. Löschen in the article (löschen means erase in German). Google translator renamed this person as Mr. Delete and nobody noticed! I laughed for days. Never trust Google translator :D |
doughnut 03.05.2019 17:56 |
Mr Delete...that is seriously funny lol Now when I translate something I think of you :) I just assumed it would be translated word for word, how silly am I. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 17:59 |
chevyman there is a lovely group on FB called 'Freddie Jim Love Made in Heaven. I feel you will fit right in there :) |
RussiaLand 03.05.2019 18:43 |
Mika, thank you so much for the translation of the German TV show! :) To all, actually it was not a hologram, here is an explanation how it was done: link |
Selkie 03.05.2019 18:50 |
I fall so behind in these conversations! I am really trying though. Anyway. The Queen & AL docu! I thought it was great. I will forever wish I had been able to see Queen when Freddie was alive, but that's not going to happen. If given the chance I would see Q&AL as it does seem they are very much trying to pay tribute throughout the show to Freddie, and even seeing him on a screen like that would make me happy. Adam's voice is a bit too smooth and theatrical for my taste on Queen songs, but I do like him, he seems to be a good person who holds Freddie in the highest regards. And he is an excellent performer in his own right. The clips shown where AL was performing Somebody to Love and Crazy Little Thing, were the most obvious to me that would be lacking experience wise. Freddie playing the piano and guitar are major reasons I love to hear/see the live versions of those songs. I am curious for anyone who has seen the Q&AL show, what do they do in place of Roger's "Ready Freddie?!" |
mika251 03.05.2019 18:56 |
doughnut wrote: I listened to 'live at the Bowl' on my way home from work today....you cannot beat Queen live!!! Freddie is just amazing live :) Somebody to love is my all time fav :)My words. I have all their gigs with a good sound quality on CDs in my car and we listen to them all the time. My 3 years old daughter loves it. Obviously she is in team "nobody is allowed to speak when Freddie sings" so I can't sing along anymore but I'm a proud mum. We use to dance on "living on my own" at home, she comes and asks for "dee do dee day" song. Somebody to love is a real gem. I love how Freddie never did the same intro twice. I have collected all the best intros from various gigs and put them all together and the last one continues with the whole song. It's a real eargasm :) Do you think Thor will be angry that we are ruining his wonderful thread speaking about OT stuff? My apologize Thor! |
RussiaLand 03.05.2019 19:17 |
FreddieDarling, thank you for the link to Cameron Deacon's video!!! I wish so much to hear anything from Deaky himself, but if that's not going to happen, at least we can watch his son's videos. :) I'm really happy now:) |
RussiaLand 03.05.2019 19:23 |
*his son's and daughter's videos (I never even knew about Rayne Deacon! Shame on me.) Anyway, the "uncle Rogaaah" bit made me laugh so much))) |
doughnut 03.05.2019 19:26 |
awww I have visions of you and your daughter singing along. It is our duty to teach our children all about fab music and Freddie. Awww how can Thor mind as we are talking so fondly of one of his best friends. If I were Thor I would be proud to see (for the most part) people talking so lovely about Freddie. Hi Thor if you see this, we love you :) Russialand Cameron Deacon is adorable isn't he. I love his reaction to the Bo Rhap trailer and the fact he went to see Queen and Adam Lambert in London. The next one I am planning to watch is his top 10 queen songs ....I suspect John's may be included lol Selkie the 'ready Freddie' part in Crazy little thing called love' is another fav. I can't imagine it being anything other than 'ready freddie'. That is just to sad to think about. I love the live versions for the same reason as you |
mika251 03.05.2019 19:36 |
doughnut wrote: Selkie the 'ready Freddie' part in Crazy little thing called love' is another fav. I can't imagine it being anything other than 'ready freddie'. That is just to sad to think about. I love the live versions for the same reason as youCrazy little thing called love is my next project - to collect all the ways Freddie claimed he can't play guitar before this song. I love Queen live especially because of their banter. They were hilarious. I would say Roger still sings Ready Freddie part. It can't be anything other. Everytime I need a shot in the arm I watch the version from Sebu Lions in Japan (it was on Milton Keynes Dvd as a bonus). This version has everything. Freddie on his peak physically and musically, great fun on stage and several moments where I simply destroy the repeat button :) best version of Crazy little things IMO |
doughnut 03.05.2019 19:44 |
I also love the banter on the lives too. Today I listened to freddie in 1982 saying '10 years ago I learnt to play three cords on the guitar and I still only know the same three cords ' Funny. I am going to have to search out the Milton Keynes DVD as currently I watch it on SKY and there are no bonus features. |
mika251 03.05.2019 19:47 |
link Here you are :) I had to watch it again right after I finished my post :) No mum, I'm not addicted, I have it under control :) |
Selkie 03.05.2019 20:09 |
Thanks Mika! That is an excellent live version of Crazy! Freddie looks like he's having a kick-ass time. The Milton Keynes Somebody to Love is definitely one of my faves and I've watched it like 37000 times I think. |
doughnut 03.05.2019 20:15 |
mika thank you, I loved it. amazing xxxxx |
doughnut 03.05.2019 20:15 |
selkie me too..... |
mika251 03.05.2019 20:22 |
You are welcome :) One thing I love about this song live is that Freddie isn't moving that much. So we can enjoy very nice and very long close ups of his face. Delightful. Same goes to any other song at the piano. It's a pity there are not more videos of their live shows. He looked gorgeous at that time. |
Deedree 03.05.2019 20:56 |
I just had a thought. To stop these trolls butting in on the conversations here couldn’t we move all this to a Secret Facebook group I’m pretty sure most of us would have Facebook accounts. Then from there it’s easy to delete and block trolls. I’m admin of a Facebook group and we deal with trolls daily. Easy to get rid of there but not so easy here apparently. Let’s get rid of the rubbish! We could message each other the details of the group privately. I’m happy to set it up. What are your thoughts everyone? Doughnut?? What do you think? |
Annie65 03.05.2019 21:13 |
Weighing in on the Munich days. They really do seem like rough times. I recall Brian saying in an interview that he felt they all got into deep emotional trouble there...especially Freddie. On the other hand, Peter seems to recall the Munich days as a lot of fun so I wonder which perspective Freddie would agree with? I really don’t believe anyone could have convinced Freddie to stop and slow down until he himself felt it right. Perhaps the combination of Garden Lodge being ready, meeting Jim, and a growing fear of contracting aids helped him pack up and leave the Munich scene? In any case, I think his face in most of the photos taken after he left, seem to show a happier more relaxed and content person. Just my thoughts . |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 21:20 |
Annie, This is just my take on the German years they were toxic times for him.Barbara Valentin didnt help any plus all the lies she was telling press about them being a couple.I just think he might of wanted to get away from that crazy life with her.If he remained there with her he would still be drinking heavy and the drugs .She was his drug he had to get away from her and that crazy life.It to me had nothing to do with the AIDS thing. |
Annie65 03.05.2019 21:20 |
Chevyman...I’m inclined to agree about Barbara Valentin being a negative influence. The conundrum to me is that Peter seemed to think she was just tons of fun. I may be interpreting that wrong. Btw.....I love visiting vineyards and doing the tastings! We look for wineries every time we go anywhere on vacation.. :) |
Annie65 03.05.2019 21:30 |
Dough it....it is never too early for a glass of wine! |
Annie65 03.05.2019 21:30 |
Meant Doughnut. Auto correct can’t spell properly. |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 21:32 |
Oh I almost forgot he probably seemed happier when he first got to Munich because Barbara was satisfied with being his friend and he wasnt that deep into the party scene yet.Remember misery always loves company and Barbara was his misery and the life was the rock bottom.But on a positive note I think he realised who his true friends were in the end and surrounded himself in their company.Those friends include these two guys that run this forum. |
CHEVYMAN 03.05.2019 21:50 |
Annie,I think at first Barbara was fun and then she showed her true colors.They say Freddie used to go out the back door of the bar when she would come in the front.I think she fell in love with him and that was part of the problem.He was gay and she loved him I guess .He had a boyfriend there and she was jealious of that.Even if he weren't gay and he definitely was they would've made the oddest couple.To be honest I dont know what he was thinking the guy he dated there wasn't very attractive either. He was a big guy and Barbara was too.All the other men were young and hot that he dated. |
Rainbow61 03.05.2019 21:54 |
Hi Mika... Just watched "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" on the link you posted. Had never seen that version before. FANTASTIC! Such incredible joyous energy on stage. Loved the interaction between Freddie and Roger and then Freddie and Fred Mandel on the piano. Of course I always love Brian's guitar work. At one point both Freddie and Brian go behind a speaker...it's hard to tell what they are doing...but it looks like they are quickly giving someone (Ratty) a "high-five" ???? |
Annie65 03.05.2019 22:06 |
What I meant to say was that I thought he looked happier after he left Munich. I thought he looked so much healthier and happier at Live Aid....I think someone else mentioned that already and I’m in agreement. |
mika251 03.05.2019 22:06 |
Rainbow You highlighted all my favourite parts. I love the interaction between Freddie and Roger and especially how he is smiling after it. He looks like a small boy satisfied with himself. And yes they are definitely chasing Ratty. He has his hat with clapping hands on the head. He mentioned it in his book. And the staccato on piano! I know he had a metronome inside his head but... Just amazing. Anyway, did you notice smoke coming out of his mouth? It was an open air gig in November! At some point it looked like steam coming out of his head :) Freddie on fire, literally. |
mika251 03.05.2019 22:16 |
Annie I agreee with you, I think Freddie in 1986 seemed to be very happy and content. Also when I compare his interaction with the audience during Magic tour, he is far less aggressive than before, still full of energy, but his presence is simply different. And I like it, he shows very much of his soft side. And he didn't sing Somebody to love. I don't remember who mentioned it already several pages before. He didn't need to sing it anymore. |
Annie65 03.05.2019 22:20 |
Mika...thanks for the Crazy video...that was fun!! |
Rainbow61 03.05.2019 22:22 |
I did notice that you could see their breath in some of the shots. I figured it must be fairly chilly out...but Freddie was still working up a sweat. The great moments that Freddie created on stage were always far more than a sum of his incredible voice, his stage presence, his good looks etc. Somehow it all came together to create something that was even bigger and more magical...he was simply the best! |
The Black Queen's Kid 03.05.2019 23:53 |
Mika, thanks so much for sharing the "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" link! |
The Black Queen's Kid 04.05.2019 00:04 |
Doughnut, I sent you a PM. |
Katydyd5 04.05.2019 00:19 |
Mika, I hadn't seen that version of Crazy. Thanks for the link!! So much energy and fun on the stage and I love when they interact with each other. |
Perk 04.05.2019 00:47 |
@Mika that was me who mentioned Somebody to Love and you are right he's more playful rather than I don't think I can use the word, serious, but like you said he's just giddy. It started that way at Live Aid and Peter Freestone did say that his energy and just enthusiasm is partly to do with Jim's emotional influence and they had only been together a month by then. From Thor saying that "he was proud of his man" I bet he was happy. He even told David Wigg on that tour he was happy with his relationship but made him leave out where he asked if it was a male or female. Which is understandable, but for him to admit it in an interview in 1986 that shows you he was in love. Also to the skeptic who thinks that because SM can't know how Freddie felt about Jim since he wasn't alive that's bs? People can see love it's not that hard to see from letters Jim had and memories I'm sure he told him. Love is obvious. I can tell if my friend is truly in love and loved back by the way they act and talk. So it's not unheard of that he could just "know." I have a best friend whose husband I hate so much but I can tell he treats her well and is good to HER so how I feel isn't important. Sean seems that he spent a lot of time with Jim so I mean it doesn't take a genius to see if someone is fooling themselves. |
Perk 04.05.2019 00:56 |
okay my punctuation and wording is strange on the last part of that last answer what I'm saying is SM COULD EASILY know it sounds like I'm saying he couldn't. Sorry for all that confusion how it sounds in my head and how it goes down in print can be way different. |
Perk 04.05.2019 01:20 |
Annie the Munich times were emotional because that was when Paul Prenter was pulling Freddie out of the studio to go clubbing. Prenter was a subversive influence. He would fight with Barbara Valentin and was really kind of "homeless" He either stayed with her or Winnie and Peter says "All of Munich knows about the fights with Winnie" It wasn't exactly the healthiest of relationships and he had Prenter kind of taking him away from work which we all know is unusual so I think that's what Brian meant. He may have "thought" he was happy but he does say in the 1987 interview about the "niche" that he always thought relationships had to be stormy because he thought that was normal. It was all he knew and he thought they all had to be that way. Until he met Jim of course. Peter also says that Freddie was incredibly loyal to anyone he loved friend or lover, and Bill Reid is a prime example that he sometimes ignores the bad things other people can see when he is friends with someone. The band says that was the time of them being the most distant from each other and the band would have seen the affect Prenter, Winnie, and Barbara were having on Freddie. He had a fun "lifestyle" maybe but I don't think he was "happy." He might have had some fun ,but the relationships were the kind that when you are in them you don't see how toxic they are or what the real toll is. I think that's maybe what they meant. I don't think he was happy. I had a time much the same where I was doing very toxic things and hanging out with toxic people and I was having fun, but looking back I wasn't happy but I thought I was. But really I was slowly self destructing. |
CHEVYMAN 04.05.2019 02:47 |
Perk, Barbara was a regular around the clubs and drug seens in Munich. He didnt need Paul not when he had her she knew everybody he started running with alot of her crew.Yes they were her friends and also bad influences too.She took him down skid row alley.She was an aging actress and she liked him and kept him dazed and confused that's all I'm gonna say.Winnie was her friend before Freddie's boyfriend.Paul was no worse than any of the others during those times. |
emdee0809 04.05.2019 03:16 |
Chevy - thanks for the info on Barbara - didn't she return to Garden Lodge to see Freddie before he died? I just recently watched part one of The Magic Years - with all the talk about their giddiness on stage sometimes - I must say - the making of the video One Vision made me laugh out loud. I really enjoyed watching the band work together to create their music. Mika - have you come across any videos from their studio recordings that you particularly like - you share some treasures - thanks for that!! |
Perk 04.05.2019 03:31 |
EMDEE The One Vision documentary and I think one from News of the World are the only ones I've ever found and trust me I look. There weren't always cameras in the studio. So those are pretty rare. Though I could be wrong. |
CHEVYMAN 04.05.2019 03:31 |
Emdee.I dont think I that last year she visited but prior to that I think she did.She hated London because everyone called her poison .Bad influence on Freddie . |
Freddienotfreddy 04.05.2019 04:57 |
Here's 2 and half minutes of Roger Taylor screaming "Ready Freddie?" lol link There is also a clip an interview with Roger where he says he has the best seat because he gets to see all of Freddie's facial expression when he had his back to the audience. |
mika251 04.05.2019 06:38 |
FreddienotFreddy Nice one thank you! There is no better way how to start you day than listening to Freddie and Roger right after you open your eyes :) Emdee Perk is right, One Vision documentary is pretty unique, there is no other doc like this. There are some very short clips from News of the world and Night at the opera but nothing as "complex" as One vision. I don't know if you know this little piece from Bohemian Rhapsody recording. For me they are the most precious 50 seconds I've ever heard. link Freddie's laugh is ... You can't resist you have to laugh too. THIS should be in the movie! Not this crap about depression and arrogance. Have a great Saturday :) |
doughnut 04.05.2019 07:11 |
morning, Mika I was thinking about starting a new thread so that we can share any gems. You mentioned you have lots of different starts to 'crazy little thing' . I'd love to see them. That way we don't clog up this thread. Annie I have often wondered why from Peter's perspective Munich was a lot of fun , Barbara was fab and all in all it was a great time from his point of view. Then on the other hand the band and some others say something different. I guess Peter was caught up in that life at that time so didn't see it from the same angle as the others. You can't see the wood for the trees! Mika I like the aggressive Freddie on stage, especially when he performs 'another one bites the dust' and 'we will rock you' . His voice got deep and growly lol. The 'One Vision' documentary is an absolute corker, I love it. When Roger misses out a line I just love Brian and Freddie's reaction. Emdee...... Barbara appears to have been in Freddies life right up to his last christmas. She can be seen in the Garden Lodge tape and she is seen in photo's from Freddie's last big birthday celebration. I got the sense that a lot of people at that time thought she was fun and bubbly but opinions soon changed after his death when she claimed she had slept with Freddie, Freddie attacked her and tried to strangle her . She made up some very odd stories which she gave to Lesley Ann who then printed it in her book. Its annoying as many people read it and believe it. |
mika251 04.05.2019 07:40 |
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mika251 04.05.2019 07:41 |
Emdee I should say it differently. There are two great documents about making of Bohemian rhapsody and Night at the opera link link But they are both retrospective, without any video footage from the studio. But you can learn a lot about recording process. Then there is News of the world documentary with lots of late 70's Freddie which is pretty good too :) link I'm not sure if it is what you are looking for but it's as much as we can get. |
mika251 04.05.2019 07:43 |
Doughnut Great idea I feel really sorry for Thor as last couple of page aren't very much about him anymore. Let's move to our own thread ?? |
doughnut 04.05.2019 07:54 |
Mika I will do it now :) |
RussiaLand 04.05.2019 09:09 |
I watched more of Cameron Deacon's videos and understood that Rayne/Jade is not actually his sister lol. Sorry for the confusion:) |
doughnut 04.05.2019 10:04 |
So I listened to the Radio 4's 'The Mysterious Mr Mercury ' . A lot of the interviews it seems were taken from other documentaries and I have heard what Mac said about Freddie and his breakdown somewhere else although I can't remember where. I really feel for him and what he must have been going through at that time. If I am honest I am more perplexed at what Mary said, and this isn't about me liking or not liking her, but should she have said that Freddie was tested 18 months prior to his formal diagnosis and that he told her it was negative and then admitted 18 months later he then had aids. i don't know what date this interview took place but the implications for Jim were enormous as it means he hid if from Jim and carried on a relationship with him putting him at risk. She says he knew during the magic tour but he didn't tell jim until easter time in 1987. it's a can of worms and if it is true then I feel it is something that she should not have disclosed. She claims that she will never betray Freddie but to me she has . Oh boy I wish I had listened to it now lol...i normally try to avoid all things Mary so I don't get caught up in it all. what was interesting and this goes out to all that dislike Jim, is that Peter said Jim stuck by Freddie even when diagnosed , that speaks volumes about the type of man he was . God bless you Jim rant over lol |
doughnut 04.05.2019 10:07 |
hadn't listened to it |
mika251 04.05.2019 10:51 |
Doughnut Mack spoke about the breakdown in Great Pretender documentary. At least that's where I got the information from. I don't want so spoil my weekend to think about what Mary said... I think we will never know the truth. Therefore you can decide what to believe and I decided to believe Jim. Period. EDIT: ok one thing is on my mind. If you want to be angry at Freddie not confessing to Jim, you should be anyway because he had to have a huge suspicion. The latest day he had to realise how bad the situation iwas was the date of Munich gig, when he visited old places and found out how many friends and one night stands are ill or gone. We can talk about it for hours why he didn't tell anything and what was behind his decision. I wouldn't judge him because I can't imagine how can you feel facing this. The only way how to find out the truth is to ask Dr. Atkinson. And he won't answer because of obvious reasons. So... We'll never know. |
doughnut 04.05.2019 10:58 |
thanks Mika, I knew I could count on you to snap me out of it lol . I'm listening to 'magic' that helps :) |
doughnut 04.05.2019 11:10 |
Oh no I am not angry at Freddie. I am at MA for broadcasting this news. If it is true, I think she should never have spoken about it because of the implications to others in Freddie's life. |
Annie65 04.05.2019 14:29 |
Thank you all for sharing your insights about Munich....that’s what I really like about this thread. I could wTch that making of One Vision over and over again and still laugh at all the same parts. I am super curious about Thor’s exciting news! |
doughnut 04.05.2019 15:31 |
Annie fingers crossed the news is about Thor and Lee's book xx |
doughnut 04.05.2019 15:32 |
Annie fingers crossed the news is about Thor and Lee's book xx |
emdee0809 04.05.2019 16:33 |
Great videos posted here today - thanks to all!! The fact that Thor says it is "exciting news" should give us all hope that the book is getting closer to publication. The suspense though......... Have a great Saturday everyone!! |
CHEVYMAN 04.05.2019 16:43 |
Have a great Saturday Thor and Lee ! |
Blenkolove 04.05.2019 20:04 |
This is to ALL the lovely QZers who continually keep me coming back here....Rainbow, Katy, Black Queen, CHEVY, Doughnut, Freddiedarling, FreddienotFreddy, oh shoot. ...the list is too many....but we all know who the kind ones are!!! And of course, Thor and Lee (SM, too)......but Mika.....you have contributed sooo much to this thread, in such a short amount of time!! You have devoted an insane amount of time and effort to ALL of us Freddie Lovers.....i just wanted to give u a special shout-out!!! And Thank you all for the warmth and loveliness that drew us all here in the first place!!! Have a lovely weekend friends!!! XO |
CHEVYMAN 04.05.2019 20:27 |
Blenko,You have a lovely weekend too. |
FreddieDarling 04.05.2019 22:39 |
Blenkolove, thank you, my dear! You're a sweetie! And thank you for saying the words we should all have said to our lovely newbie Mika! You are so right! Mika is a much valued contributor to the thread and strikes the perfect balance of considered intelligent opinion and civility and respect for differing opinions. Mika, Blenkolove is absolutely correct, you have contributed so much to this wonderful thread and have enhanced it immensely. A big Thank You from me, too! Please stick around! :-) Hope you all have a lovely weekend, Peeps! Myself I enjoyed my weekly visit to "Freddie's" for Americano and a mandazi ! |
The Black Queen's Kid 04.05.2019 22:40 |
Blenkolove, I hope you have a great weekend, too! |
FreddieDarling 04.05.2019 22:42 |
P.S. Blenkolove, I should have said. I'm certain I speak for all the other happy posters in saying we love YOUR posts and contributions, too, mate! :-) |
Blenkolove 04.05.2019 23:27 |
Awwww, shucks.....i would love it IF we really could all meet up someday, one day! What a BLAST that could be. I was Seriously considering leaving.......but I'm just lovin' being with All you other Freddie Lovers. I Certainly can not talk to my husband or family like we all talk here!! I have found so much healing thru discovering Freddie......i can't even explain it, but I know YOU Know what I mean!!!! I'm snuggled in my bed watching 'Emperor's New Groove' (first time for me!) Cuddling with the grands!!!!! Life doesn't get much better than this guys!!!!! Love Y'all!!! |
FreddieDarling 04.05.2019 23:35 |
Yes. Blenky it's nice to swap views with like minded Freddie lovers (I'm so relieved that the air is sweeter than last week! I too seriously considering an exodus!) It's hard to harp on about Freddie to most of our friends and family without them rolling their eyes and thinking "oh God! Here we go again!" So, to share our love and fascination with people of the same I'll is such a relief and a joy. Freddie is my escapism from what is sometimes a full and troublesome world. I think we all need that, and it is an innocent and harmless pleasure for us all, and adds so much colour to _my_ life. To quote the great man himself "I thank you ALL" ! :-) |
FreddieDarling 04.05.2019 23:39 |
Predictive text does it again ! :-/. For "I'll" read "I'll" ! And "full" was actually ,"dull" ! *sigh* |
FreddieDarling 04.05.2019 23:41 |
Oh! Bloody hell! I give up! Somebody channel Alan Turing, will you??????? |
FreddieDarling 04.05.2019 23:44 |
Ooh, the number of my posts matches the page number of the thread! Serendipity ? |
FreddieDarling 04.05.2019 23:45 |
Well, it did ! :-\ |
CHEVYMAN 04.05.2019 23:55 |
Freddie Darling,I'm glad things are much calmer now.It was insane last week hope this is the beginning of the end of those crazies.I hope they do catch who is doing this for it is unfair to the ones that have done nothing.I just hope Thor and Lee didnt exit for good.It like we are in a ghost town.Well what shall we talk about? |
CHEVYMAN 04.05.2019 23:58 |
Blenko, It was my escape too.So I hope that those ghouls didnt ruin it. |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 00:14 |
To reiterate the predictive text induced typo (again!) for "I'll" read "Ilk" Stop bloody correcting me, Android!!!! I do know what I'm typing! :-( |
emdee0809 05.05.2019 00:30 |
Blenko- I,too, want to thank everyone for accepting those like myself who may not have much of anything to contribute- but sure love sharing our common interest in Freddie. It is very difficult to have conversations with family and friends about Freddie without them thinking I've lost my mind:) And also thanks to Thor and Lee who have also welcomed all- well most:) |
Blenkolove 05.05.2019 00:31 |
FreddieDarling, I know you well enough by now, to know how much you dislike those auto-errors......but every time I see them....it makes me giggle...... It's not a spell check.....it's a spell Dictator!!! And we've all been held hostage at one point or another!! No worries....it's all good! |
Blenkolove 05.05.2019 00:35 |
Ohhh Thor...Ohhhh Lee....OLLYOLLYOXENFREE...COME OUT, COME OUT WHEREVER YOU ARE!!!!!!!!! |
Katydyd5 05.05.2019 00:46 |
Blenko, thanks so much for the kind words! You are exactly right, this is a good place to come and talk about Freddie. Before I found this thread I was actually rationing how much Freddie I could insert into a conversation with friends so that I didn't have to watch their eyes glossing over. Thanks to you all, they have been spared, though I do still bring him up once in a while. I hope you are all enjoying your weekends! |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.05.2019 01:13 |
Blenko - 3 cheers to your comment!!! This is an amazing group of people - and full agreement on Mika's wonderful contributions!! Loved the translated German show. I had seen that before a couple times and was always frustrated that I couldn't understand. This thread has also been a HUGE much needed escape for me. It been for me a very challenging year - so to come here and indulge in all that is Freddie, Thor, Lee, and Shaun has truly been an oasis for me. Lurking but Loving...Very happy QZ has taken a turn back to civil and respectful...and eagerly anticipating THOR'S GOOD NEWS! |
mika251 05.05.2019 04:19 |
Blenko and all the others, Thank you so much for your sweet words but I did nothing special :) Maybe I should slow down a bit before I start to be annoying. I was so lonely with my love for Freddie and Queen, enjoying music and books and wishing there would be someone I could share my love with :-) And then I discovered this forum and decided to get over my fear of writing in English and contribute a little bit. But I found out newbies opinions are not very welcomed here and I also appeared during BoRhap movie hysteria when everyone new was considered as a movie fan. So I stayed quiet. It was all of you and this absolute unusual friendly atmosphere here who encouraged me to write, you gave me such a nice welcome and it was only the beginning. Thank you so much that you allowed me to join you. Freddie and his music is my escapism too, I survived my teenage years because of him and he continues to make my life better every day. And now you make my life better because I can talk about my favourite topic and it's never too much :) Yesterday I found wonderful thought about Freddie. It was like "Freddie Mercury is not dead. He is only teaching God how to be fabulous." :) I wish you a wonderful Sunday. You are absolutely amazing bunch of people and I'm very grateful I can be here. |
Freddienotfreddy 05.05.2019 05:20 |
Thank you all for the thank you! Hopefully the trouble makers have been scared away. |
Blenkolove 05.05.2019 06:32 |
....do you know what is Really sad.....Freddie thought his music was disposable. Eat it up....then move on! I truly think he would be so genuinely tickled to know his music, his story, his life......were Anything but that! Inspirational, healing, therapeutic, universal and uniting as well as timeless is what it proves to be.....generation after generation! BOY! What a gift!! We are so blessed! It is true that when we all keep sharing, we keep Freddie alive! So keep sharing people!!.......Happy Sunday :) |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 07:58 |
Freddie is more immortal that most people! He is like Mozart or Da Vinci. People of that calibre. He will always be remembered and revered. Legend? I'd say so, Freddie my dear! |
doughnut 05.05.2019 08:19 |
blenko that was a wonderful post , what a lovely positive way for me to start my day, thank you :) I echo what everyone has said. ;Mika, don't underestimate yourself, you have been a breath of fresh air for me because you have helped me put many things regarding freddie/mary/jim into perspective. My family think that I have gone crazy so if I disappear its probably because they have put me into rehab lol to I reply on all you lovely lot to allow me to talk about Freddie/queen as it is just so interesting. He really was one of a kind; people like him don't come along often. God bless you Freddie Shaun thank you for your contribution , it has been very much appreciated. Please don't be a stranger, we are the nice queen fans :) Thor/Lee come back, we miss you :) Don't let the nasty peeps scare you off . |
doughnut 05.05.2019 08:21 |
rely not reply....arrrr |
Liona 05.05.2019 13:40 |
Hi Doughnut ." I have heard what Mac said about Freddie and his breakdown somewhere else although I can't remember where." Here there is a little of this on 14.40: link Thank you guys for such an interesting discussion. I do hope, Thor, Lee, Shaun will be posting on here still. |
mika251 05.05.2019 13:51 |
Liona this is exactly the same interview doughnut was referring to :) Done by Midge Ure. |
Liona 05.05.2019 13:53 |
Oh, I'm sorry Mika, I did not get this one is done by Midge Ure. |
doughnut 05.05.2019 14:06 |
liona thank you but as Mika said it is the interview I listened too and then wished I hadn't lol some of the interviews should come with a warning for sensitive souls like me :) Welcome to the page and we all hope Shaun, Thor and Lee will return :) |
Liona 05.05.2019 14:16 |
Doughnut, I did think about the warning when it was too late. So as there is no chance to edit a message, I only hoped that only small fragment will be listened. Thank you a lot for welcome). |
The Black Queen's Kid 05.05.2019 14:50 |
Happy Sunday, kind folks! I was looking through the other thread and enjoying all the wonderful YouTube video suggestions! I am sorry to report that this isn't the only thread on QZ that has been infected with nasty trolls. I was checking out some other topics and the same bunch of ne'er do wells were polluting the atmosphere in those threads. If we can keep up the positive energy and ignore the idiots maybe we can keep this area safe. Happy Cinco de Mayo to people in the USA! Drink lots of tequila and consume massive amounts of Mexican food! |
CHEVYMAN 05.05.2019 14:54 |
BQK, Thanks for info I figured it was going around. |
Annie65 05.05.2019 14:57 |
What is the name of the thread with the links? I’d love to check them out too! |
doughnut 05.05.2019 15:01 |
BQK Yep I've spotted this to. The sad thing is they can't be real fans of queen or Freddie otherwise they wouldn't behave so badly. They/he//she just seems to be strange MA fan(s). Anyway Liona, what brings you here? Tell us all about your addiction /obsession lol . Annie I started a thread yesterday for queen/freddie videos. If you go into the list of topics it's near the top. We didn't want to take up this lovely thread with youtube videos etc . |
doughnut 05.05.2019 15:03 |
Happy Cinco de Mayo to people in the USA! Drink lots of tequila and consume massive amounts of Mexican food! Tell me more? I love Mexican food and the last time I drank tequila I was sick....never again...to be fair I did have wine too so probably not a good combination lol |
Blenkolove 05.05.2019 15:14 |
Hey doughnut....could u post a link to ur new video site? Happy Cinco do Mayo xo |
Liona 05.05.2019 15:26 |
Doughnut, I realize some face control is needed because of strange newbies on this thread.)) Answering your question I suspect I admire the same most of you do (otherwise why would we come here?)- Queen, and especially Freddie Mecury not only as "just a singer with a song" but also as a personality which is so interesting to me. Though I would not want it goes so far as obsession)), just because I don't find any obsession like something healthy. So let's just say a lot of admiration and of course, the escapism is here also with me. |
doughnut 05.05.2019 15:26 |
link It is just another thread on QZ for anyone wanting to share freddie/queen music etc. Feel free to chat and add what you like as it's for everyone. |
doughnut 05.05.2019 15:32 |
ummm perhaps obsession is the wrong word.....although I find myself listening to their music most days and chatting on here....if not an obsession , what could it be...answers on a postcard lol :) Yep I admire Freddie 1000% , he was just one of a kind, as Brain said 'I have never met anyone else like Freddie, before or after his death' . He really was unique. What makes me laugh is the other side of Freddie, the freddie at home. I quote from Peter Freestone In the middle of the night once, he came to me and asked how to use the microwave as he wanted to make his guest a cup of tea. Peter said 'Freddie you don't use the microwave to make a cup of tea'. Priceless lol |
Liona 05.05.2019 15:32 |
Holy camel, I did a mistake * Mercury. Sorry. |
The Black Queen's Kid 05.05.2019 15:35 |
Doughnut, Cinco de Mayo (5th of May) is an annual celebration held on May 5. The date is observed to commemorate the Mexican Army's victory over the French Empire at the Battle of Puebla, on May 5, 1862, under the leadership of General Ignacio Zaragoza. It's a rather minor holiday in Mexico, but the U.S. has turned it into a fairly large reason to party, especially in areas with lots of Hispanic residents. |
doughnut 05.05.2019 15:38 |
oh interesting BQK....are you Mexican ? Any reason to party sounds good to me . Those pesky French ......inserts smiley face emoji and winking face emoji here if I had one :) :) lol Liona :) |
The Black Queen's Kid 05.05.2019 15:43 |
Doughnut, I'm not Mexican, but I was born in Houston, TX (close to Mexico LOL) and if I was told to select one good only to consume for the rest of my life it would be burritos! I found this link on another forum posted by The Invisible Woman: link It's an interview with Richard Young who was pretty much the Official Photographer of Queen. Some wonderful pictures I'd not seen before and cool stories, too. |
The Black Queen's Kid 05.05.2019 15:44 |
"good" should be "food". Geesh! |
Liona 05.05.2019 15:45 |
I'm listeninng to their music, reading the interviews, watching their gigs, reading on here and some other realted groups on Facebook, saving tons of their pictures on my PC and phone. I must confess, it sounds like obsession really. o_o )))). |
mika251 05.05.2019 15:55 |
Ehm let's admit most Gigabites on my computer go to Queen bootlegs :) Thank God I still have more photos of my own kid than Freddie's. I'm OK :D |
doughnut 05.05.2019 16:10 |
that sounds like a good choice of food to me BQK :) Funnily enough I have just seen one of my friends post a photo on Facebook of a tequila in celebration. Spooky ! I have I have seen the Richard Young video, it's very good. He has some fantastic photos :) |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.05.2019 17:02 |
That is interesting history of Cinco de Mayo - I did not know that! Queen played in Puebla - correct? Was that the infamous shoe throwing concert?? |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.05.2019 17:04 |
Also interesting that it is a minor holiday in Mexico but huge here in the US. Ha ha any excuse to party in good old USA right? Your country got independence - hey can we make that a drinking holiday? Whoop Whoop |
doughnut 05.05.2019 17:28 |
who needs an excuse to party lol Didn't a certain someone want to build a brick wall at the border of Mexico ? |
Liona 05.05.2019 17:52 |
Mika, you are much more than "OK", special "thank you" for translation that German show. Phoebe was dancing instead of girl, oh dear :). And Rudi's memories about last video with Freddie are priceless. It's nice to have allies about the band's current name ( I shake the hands to Koala and Doughnut). I have much more allies on here, but this thread is so huge, that I just could not keep in mind all their names yet. |
doughnut 05.05.2019 18:11 |
liona don't worry about learning all our screen names. Before I joined I managed to read all of this thread and the other one that Thor started, it took me ages! I was very nervous to add my contribution but I am glad I did. Thor has told us all some fab stories about Freddie and hopefully there are more to come in the book . One of the best parts of Mika's translation was her comment ' the nerve of the man singing 'love of my life'. That did make me smile and I am glad I didn't see him singing it as I wouldn't have liked to see anyone else sing this. Off course I have seen Brian sing it but that is fine lol |
Selkie 05.05.2019 19:01 |
Lol yes, my Mexican friends refer to it as Drinko de Mayo and think it’s hilarious how big it is here in the US! |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.05.2019 19:13 |
Yep Queen played in Puebla in 1981. It sounds like it was a nightmare from start to finish!! link |
doughnut 05.05.2019 19:22 |
NQAS I recall is Mexico where they had to ban batteries . Yes it is as I just checked your link. It does say Freddie was on form musically so at least that's a positive. It hated Australia for a while as he was subjected to a full body search on his first visit. |
doughnut 05.05.2019 19:22 |
he now it ....arrrrr I am trying to rival FreddieDarling lol |
mika251 05.05.2019 19:24 |
Actually there is another great video of Freddie connected to Mexico :) In an interview about his solo album David Wigg asked what would he say to his fans in various parts of the world. David asked something like "would you like to say something for Mexico? And Freddie answered "NO!" "Why?" "Because I don't give a sh*t". I hope I didn't offend anybody. It seems he didn't have very nice memories from this part of the world. I try to dig it out and post it here :) Here you are link Around 12:00 :-) message for France is great too :D |
emdee0809 05.05.2019 19:29 |
Hello everyone - yes - Cinco de Mayo gives everyone a reason to raise their glass here in the US and always followed by May the "fourth" be with you for the Star Wars fans. Two days of celebration. Every package coming from Amazon lately has something to do with Freddie - my husband doesn't even ask anyone :) I had an unfortunate situation with thirfybooks.com - Someone suggested that source for books a while back - I found Peter Freestone's first book and wanted it in print as I only have the kindle version. I was so excited I found it for a reasonable price. When my package arrived Saturday it was a book of piano sonatas:( I could have cried - they were very nice about refunding my money, but I really wanted the book. If anyone is interested in piano sonatas it's yours - they don't even want it back. Thor and Lee if you are here - I am in need of a good book!! Happy Sunday friends! |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.05.2019 19:38 |
Mika I can't get your link to work - but I know the interview and love it! He is so cheeky about it hahaha. That is the one where he asks about Outer Mongolia when the big noise happens and "The bigger the better - in everything Darling!" comment! One of his best interviews in my opinion. I guess the Mexican gov't took all the batteries - then set up a booth to sell them back to the crowd! The crowd thought that was Queen doing that and they were pissed - hence the shoe throwing. Queen had no idea it was going on and thought the crowd was just assholes. emdee - May the Forth be with you! |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.05.2019 19:40 |
emdee - I got Peter's 1st book in print off of eBay. It was around $35 but took 3 months to arrive!!!!! The rest I am just reading for the cheap on Kindle so far |
NotQuiteAShilling 05.05.2019 19:45 |
I'm currently reading David Mimms book on Kindle - but there doesn't seem to be a lot of him talking?! I thought I had the wrong book at first. There are so many stories in it by others I'm a bit confused... So happy to see QZ behaving again. Sorry I'm posting a lot today. It just feels really good to be sharing with fellow Queenies again! And yes for me - obsession covers it haha but in a good way |
mika251 05.05.2019 19:48 |
NotQuiteAShilling Feel free to join our bookworm thread, we are discussing David Minn's book a lot. To be found here in General discussion link |
doughnut 05.05.2019 20:05 |
may the forth be with you..we have this in the UK too. Mika I also know the interview you refer to and I agree it's one of his bests. Bless him as he does his usual covering of his teeth when he laughs after the loud bang. David Wigg always got the best out of him . Oh no Emdee I really feel for you ;( Is it not available to buy on Amazon. ? |
doughnut 05.05.2019 20:09 |
notquiteashilling OMG 35 dollars ??? That is crazy. now that there is so much interest these books should be put back into print and offered for sale at a decent price . sorry for the grammer as I am typing in the dark as a film as been put on and the lights put down. I can't see the keyboard |
Freddienotfreddy 05.05.2019 21:11 |
This is an interview with Roger and Brian discussing the 1975 Odeon Christmas show. I must say, that apart from watching Freddie, my second favorite thing about watching Queen concerts is Roger's harmonizing with Freddie and his background vocals. I think he isn't given a lot of credit for his singing but I love his voice. link Also, for those still wanting to read Peter Fresstone's books, they are available very cheap on amazon kindle. You don't have to have a Kindle, just download the kindle app onto you phone and you can access the books that way. They are less that $5. Same with the David Minns/Evans and Jim's book. |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 21:58 |
Hi I checked Amazon.com and they have papeebacks of Peter Freestones Freddie biography for only $13.14. can't the peeps who don't already have it buy it from there ? Amazon.co.uk have it for £6.61. I have a paperback copy and also last year was fortunate to buy a copy of Peters original print run hardback Mr. Mercury An Appreciation which is basically the same book but with a couple or so extra pictures and some Freddie recipes. I got it for £9.99 ! Unbelievably lucky! Good luck to all who need to add to their book collection. Amazon also have Jim's Mercury and Me. Queen book prices have been going mad post movie, haven't they? Hope you had a great weekend and thus Cinquo de Mayo celebration which I'd never heard if! link |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 22:01 |
Papeebacks ? I still got you beat on typos, Doughnut matey! Don't think I've ever made a proper post without typos! :-/ |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 22:11 |
I wish Freddie hadn't covered his teeth all the time. I loved his teeth. They were endearing and they looked so healthy and clean. |
Blenkolove 05.05.2019 22:21 |
FredddienotFreddy....thanks for that link! I don't recall seeing that before. Papeebacks.....snickersnsnsnfrfrfr I adore Freddie's teeth......he may not have wanted them to be.....but they were an important part of his 'Brand'!! |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 22:24 |
Yep Freddie's gnashers were integral to Freddie being Freddie! Imperfectly perfect ! :-) |
mika251 05.05.2019 22:28 |
Freddie's teeth created his lisp, which is something I love quite madly :) don't tell anybody :D |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 22:31 |
Mika your secret is safe with me as long as you don't tell anyone my love for Freddie's dimples and that little fuzzy patch if the between his shoulders! |
LoriG 05.05.2019 22:33 |
Hello. I am brand new to QZ and this is my very first post. Over the last week or so, I have read through many posts, including the ugliness that went down last week. I do hope that Thor, Lee and Shaun will come back as ultimately this forum is about our love for Freddie and Queen. If at all possible (I know it’s hard) the trolls need to be ignored. They feed on people ‘taking the bait’. I have enjoyed this forum very much and love that there is a place with so many like minded Freddie/Queen fans. The first time I saw Freddie was in the video Killer Queen. I was 10 years old (pre MTV) and I was blown away. I will never forget it. |
mika251 05.05.2019 22:38 |
FreddieDarling I won't, I swear :) dimples are too cute to mention. I'm proud of mine too :) I have to admit we adore same features of Freddie :) Let's speak about cheekbones and jawline, what do you think? :) |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 22:44 |
Mika! Cheekbones and jawline?? Yummy with a spoon! His eyes are Lovely too. So kind and warm with enviable lashes! |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 22:44 |
Mika! Cheekbones and jawline?? Yummy with a spoon! His eyes are Lovely too. So kind and warm with enviable lashes! |
CHEVYMAN 05.05.2019 22:55 |
What about Roger them blondes are sexy too honey .Roger was gorgeous so was Freddie but I tend to like the blonde headed drummer.There is just something about him. |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 22:57 |
Hi LoriG Welcome to the thread! Nice to "meet" you! :-) Yes you have hit the nail on the head regarding how to treat trolls! My philosophy precisely! Treat them as one does a misbehaving dog! Isolation and ignoring are key the trading them! The thread is usually a nice friendly welcoming place. Last week was admittedly NOT nice at all! I contemplated leaving it all behind! It was like a human malware infestation! Thankfully things seem to have improved! Hopefully Thor and Lee will be back soon with some good news! I do hope that maybe Shaun will one day come back to us. Anyway, welcome to the thread, Matey! :-) |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:00 |
Sorry Chevy but blond men just don't "do it" for me. It's just a personal taste thing, and I can't help it. I see Roger is a good looking feller, but there's no accounting for attraction, it's just a totally personal thing. I like a bit more melanin in a man! |
CHEVYMAN 05.05.2019 23:00 |
Did Freddie ever shave that fuzzy patch on his back?He was very hairy but alot of men are I guess. |
mika251 05.05.2019 23:00 |
FreddieDarling wrote: Mika! Cheekbones and jawline?? Yummy with a spoon! His eyes are Lovely too. So kind and warm with enviable lashes!Exactly! I have to say and I'm saying it just because it's after midnight and my mind doesn't work properly so I'll deny it tomorrow but... When he turns on his kind soft look, he has exactly my golden retriever's eyes. And don't get me wrong, my dog has beautiful eyes! :) You have to cuddle him everytime he looks at you. Previous sentence is valid for both of them :) I think I should go to sleep before I discredit myself completely :) |
CHEVYMAN 05.05.2019 23:03 |
OH Freddie Darling what I would or could do to Roger he would have no need for all those wives or women he jumped around with.I would send him home screaming in agony. |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:08 |
Screaming in agony? Ouch! ?:-/ As I say I prefer a Man with Melanin! Nothing derogatory just a preference. Re his back hair, Phoebe says he never shaved it but occasionally he got him (Phoebe(0) to pluck them out!!!! And he never flinched! Freddie's eyes remind me if those of a horse or a deer! Soft and liquid and full of empathy and intelligence. |
CHEVYMAN 05.05.2019 23:10 |
Freddie darling,He had kind eyes I think. |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:11 |
I do believe that this is what the furry patch between Freddie's shoulders developed into! 0:-) |
mika251 05.05.2019 23:12 |
Ouch FreddieDarling this story is full of pain really! Such a brave man! Did you hear Brian talking about Freddie's chestwig? :) Thanks for sending me my new screensaver :) !!! Wonderful picture |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:13 |
Very kind eyes! The windows to his lovely soul |
CHEVYMAN 05.05.2019 23:13 |
Well Freddie darling Its settled Freddie's yours and Roger's mine .Who gets brian? |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:14 |
I'm so tired my brain itches! Think I'll turn in with Little Freddie soon ! :-@ |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:17 |
The Mika, yes I did! It was very funny! That man didn't need assistance with his body hair! :-D I've seen the naked chest pictures and he doesn't look right! I'm used to seeing Freddie with a pelt! |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:17 |
Glad you liked the Freddie Angel picture |
mika251 05.05.2019 23:18 |
My words :) Sweet dreams darling :) full of fuzzy patches and deer eyes :) |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:18 |
Chevy I think Anita would scratch our eyes out if we made a move on him! LOL ! |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:19 |
Thanks, Mika! Aaah I'll use Freddie's chest wig as a pillow ! ;-) |
Blenkolove 05.05.2019 23:26 |
What a sweet little bed u have for ur little Freddie!! Love the kitty covers too! Your little Freddie(s) are lucky to have you! I used to have a Professor I was close to who was completely freaked out by any sort of humans with wings! ....strange phobia.... I used to think Roger was too pretty.....now I just think he looks like Santa! |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:34 |
Blenky, mate! Thank you! Yes my Freddie's have me trained well! Made Little Freddie's kitty duvet and pillow last night after buying the fabric yesterday. Thought he'd like that! I've edged his yellow blankie with gold blanket stitch, too! Bless him! Fear of winged humans? Weird! Well I guess that phobia wouldn't be too troublesome in everyday life! :-) Mine are arachnophobia and coulriphobia (clowns) Bleuch! LOL @Roger looking like Santa! Yeah, but a BAD Santa! Bet he'd want you to come and see his Birth Pole! LOL !!!!! |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:35 |
North Pole! North Pole!!! Bloody fecking predictive text !!!! Grrrrr4! |
CHEVYMAN 05.05.2019 23:43 |
I could be naughty Rogers Santa's naughty little elf. |
FreddieDarling 05.05.2019 23:44 |
Chevy you ARE a naughty little elf! :-D |
mika251 06.05.2019 00:02 |
Ladies! You are great I can't get asleep every twenty minutes I open my eyes and have to check if you continue in the discussion. And you do :D Roger as Santa that fits :D He aged well I think. Looks great. But never my type. Chevy he is all yours. I'm afraid there would be a humongous fight over Freddie :) the best thing about platonic love is there are enough Freddies for everybody :) FreddieDarling you treat your little Freddie so well :) he is excited about yellow blanket for sure. |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 00:19 |
Mika, oh but Roger is a real ladies man .The older he has gotten the better looking he has gotten.Those drums of his just do something for me.He comes to me in dreams wearing nothing but his Santa hat .But it's short lived because I wake up.Oh yes my Roger is a big tease . |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 00:31 |
I do agree with you Mika Freddie was a nice looking Indian man.However, my heritage is the same as his so I'm naturally attracted to those fair complected white people with blonde hair and blue eyes.All my family have very dark hair dark eyes and olive complexions.My Mothers family are Irish so she was a strawberry blonde so I have brown hair brown eyes with red highlights in my hair from her.I still look more Indian from my father though. |
Katydyd5 06.05.2019 00:52 |
NotQuiteAShilling, the Minns/Evans book is a favorite of mine. Yes, it is a lot of essay type pieces from different people, but that's exactly what I like. They are people who were in his orbit, but may not be known as well as many of the others. They often gave a perspective that was new to me. I hope you enjoy it! |
Blenkolove 06.05.2019 01:16 |
Hahaha...Freddiedarling....Birth Pole gave me all kinda visuals!!!!!!!!! I laughed so hard at that, I literally had tears flowing down my face!!! Your spell dictator is a frustrated comic!!! Priceless :) |
The Black Queen's Kid 06.05.2019 01:30 |
Blenkolove, I thought the same thing!! LOL!! I thought it was some slang term that I wasn't familiar with! I'm cracking up here! :-] |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 01:45 |
I dont think I get it guys what did Freddie darling mean what was so funny? |
NotQuiteAShilling 06.05.2019 02:27 |
SAME over here!!! Birth pole - I thought OH man they are getting really dirty with that one (I think...) hahahahaha Katy - Maybe I'm not appreciating it because I am approaching it wrong. Mimms is a mystery for me so I really wanted to hear what HE had to say. I was expecting more of a book like Jim's EVERYBODY highly recommends This Is The Real Life - so I know it's me When I ordered Phoebe's 1st book from eBay there was nothing on Amazon under $300. That's insane, so I did the eBay but like I said it took FOREVER to get to me. $35 seemed pretty reasonable in comparison lol |
Jo T. 06.05.2019 03:18 |
RussiaLand wrote: reddieDarling, thank you for the link to Cameron Deacon's video!!! I wish so much to hear anything from Deaky himself, but if that's not going to happen, at least we can watch his son's videos. :) I'm really happy now:)Boy, I had a LOT of pages to catch up on from the past weekend. It's like a novel! LOL @RussiaLand, I feel the same way about Cameron Deacon's video. Initially, I wasn’t certain what to make of him as a YouTuber, but his sense of humor grew on me. He’s a likable young man. I even subscribed to “I Deaky!” I’ve viewed 3-4 of his videos. As long as he’s happy, you want to believe that his reclusive father, John, is happy, too. Cameron appears to be very close to his family. Unlike his father’s generation, Cam, as a Millennial, is comfortable and open that he’s gay and that he hopes to have a husband and family one day. It’s obvious that his family accept that he’s gay. Kudos to John and Veronica! That's no shocker. It’s too bad Freddie was never afforded that privilege, but it was another time. Cam refers to Freddie as a “LGBT icon.” @doughnut, in the Cameron Deacon video you shared, where he reacts to the “Bo Rhap” 2nd trailer, Cam has a K-pop poster in back of him of some girl group representing the genre. He professed to be a fan. I’m an aunt to teen nieces and a nephew. I try to be the cool aunt and understand their music, but lately, I desperately falter. I’m no longer cool. They deride my music as “old people music” and absolutely moan and groan when I play the classics in my car stereo. We fight over music AND I’m the unpaid Uber driver, helping out their parents! The nephew only likes hip-hop or rap. I do like SOME of his hip-hop/rap – not all. The nieces are the ones that like K-pop. K-pop refers to a genre of music or (South) Korean popular music, composed of either girl groups or boy bands. It has gained popularity in the U.S. You can compare it to a South Korean version of the old Spice Girls (I’m embarrassed I once wanted to be Spice Girl #6 or Dreamy Spice, but that was 25 years ago.), Backstreet Boys or NSYNC, but they’re far less talented. The “band” members don’t play any instruments or compose their own songs. Their voices are generic and passable (Justin Timberlake is an exception in terms of boy bands.). The band members are young, hot, fashionable and have good hair. They perform choreographed dance moves. That’s about it in terms of dubious talent. K-pop is so . . . . . un-Queen! It’s not REAL music. However, my nieces aren’t completely hopeless causes. I had taken them to see “Bo Rhap” in the theatre back last Dec./Jan., and they both loved it! The nephew wasn’t interested. I may have to bribe him to watch it on DVD after his classes end. That’s cool your daughter likes Stevie Wonder. She has taste. @katydyd5, thanks for the info about Rudi Dolezal. No, I haven’t seen any of the “making of” Queen videos – yet. Rudi appears legit’ and his upcoming book may be worth reading. Because of what I learned on the thread, I don’t ever plan to invest in LAJ’s book. I look forward to reading the Minns/Evans book. My sister agreed to loan me her Kindle in the near future. @mika251, thanks again for your link. That was an awesome performance of “Crazy LTC Love.” Freddie was certainly on his A-game. I liked the close-up shots of the beads of sweat on his forehead, his cheekbones, the veins on his sinewy neck and the bromance between him and Rog on stage! The pianist was so awesome, too. BTW, I also have mad respect for Freddie’s cheekbones and jawline. His face is so chiseled, like a stone sculptor’s art. People say he resembles his mother, but I see the cheekbones from his father. CHEVYMAN, if you have Rog and FD has Freddie, would it break your heart then if I claim Brian for myself – Brian May circa 1970s in clogs and white Zandra Rhodes batwing? I feel like I’m in the minority of peeps on the thread who is a Brian May fan. Thor, how did YOU and your amigos celebrating Cinco de Mayo? San Diego is so close to the border. Is it like the St. Patrick’s Day of San Diego? Are you “living la vida loca” like Ricky Martin? 1 tequila, 2 tequila, 3 tequila, FLOOR! What’s your fav’ Mexican food? |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 03:22 |
Jot, He is all yours the man has no ass.They gots to have something for me to grab. |
Jo T. 06.05.2019 03:46 |
OK, I respect him for his brains and guitar prowess. He's an animal lover/defender and relative humanitarian. |
Perk 06.05.2019 06:56 |
Thor I have a question for you. I think you can answer without giving away book stuff. Did You go to any of the dates on the Magic Tour? |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 07:36 |
Perk I can answer that they went to one of the Wembley nights (July 11/12th) Freddie organised a coach to take a load of his friends from Garden Lodge to Wembley. A good time was had by all. ! |
doughnut 06.05.2019 07:49 |
well I must say I am very upset that I missed the Freddie lovein last night :) I agree, the patch of hair on his upper back, all the fab hair on his chest and belly, and those eyes, wow they are just amazing. Jim said that Freddie had beautiful big brown eyes. Jo.t yep even the vein in his neck and the sweat dripping from his nose lol He also had the most amazing lips...people nowadays pay money to have lips like he did. I don't know if he knew it but boy was he sexy. Again this is something Jim said. It's easy to see that although he wasn't Jim's type to begin with, that sexiness Freddie had was enough to cast a spell. Ladies we can see why Thor chatted him up and in traditional UK slang ' Freddie you've pulled, get your coat' I also love the lisp you can hear when singing, it's just adorable. You can hear it in Another one Bites the dust. As for Roger, he had beautiful eyes but he didn't have that animal magnetism about him. He had no chest hair to speak off and that is a no no for me. As I said before I am teaching my youngest the ways of men with hairy chests but she isn't having it. She will learn lol . Next time you have a freddie gushing session you must warn me lol Perk I can answer your question as he has spoken about it on here. Thor, Lee and Brandon (Thor's man at that time) came over to Garden Lodge and attended both Wembley dates and also the Kensington Roof Top party after the second night. Freddie had arranged a coach/party bus to take all of his friends to and from the gig. I'm not sure if you have seen the Garden Lodge tapes of the men in Freddie's garden but that was during the time of the wembley gigs. |
doughnut 06.05.2019 07:54 |
FreddieDarling/Mika I'm just letting you know that when my time comes to depart, I shall be looking for Freddie and will be claiming him. I don't mind that he prefers men, just to be with him will be enough :) |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 07:55 |
I think Brian us an absolute sweetie and a thoroughly nice man, and was and is good looking too, but it's Freddie all the way for me! He is the epitome of male beauty and his personality is as lovely as his lovely exterior. Be careful though,Jo, I think Anita could bitch slap the lot of us! She's a tough cookie! Did anyone ever see the New Tricks episode that Anita was in? She was a talent agent, but in the past she'd been a Dominatrix (an extreme one) for hire! I'll bet Roger teased Brian unmercifully about that one! LOL ! Glad you all liked the Cameron Deacon YouTube channel. He's lovely, isn't he ? So fun loving! I guess John found it very easy being accepting and supportive of his sons sexuality from being around and loving his friend Freddie! I dont GET today's music, either, but as I say to my Dad, if music never evolved we'd still be listening to people beat on animal skins with an old thigh bone! Glad my Birth Pole typo gave you all a giggle (Maybe that was God having a laugh at my expense?!) Yes it was a bit..... graphic, wasn't it? Ha ha ha! Have a great day peeps |
doughnut 06.05.2019 07:59 |
Jo.T when me and my youngest (10 at the time) watched Bo Rhap, it was Brain that she commented on. She said he is cute, so you see you aren't the only one. Have you seen photo's of him in the early days with a beard, I think it suited him, made him look more rock and roll. . |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 08:01 |
Doughnut I will fight you tooth and nail for the Fredster! I'll turn him Bi if it kills me! ;-) I'll even settle for mothering him and I'm the most unmaternal person you could meet (except toward cats, snakes, stick insects and Freddie dollies!) |
mika251 06.05.2019 08:09 |
Ladies there will be no need for fighting. I think the principle of heaven is that everybody is happy there. So there will be enough Freddies for everyone :) Sounds creepy huh? But I'm sure it will work somehow. |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 08:11 |
Ooh, multiple Freddie's! Nice! They can form a choir of Angels! |
doughnut 06.05.2019 08:12 |
I forgot to mention something. The most adorable part of Freddie for me was the way he used his hands when he spoke. So expressive. I sometimes watch his interviews just to watch his hands lol. Does this sound weird lol . JO.t The Spice Girls are back doing some gigs in the UK. Not sure if they are going to the US. I would go if I had someone to go with. I was a Backstreet Boys fan, I feel ashamed now but 'as long as you love me' got a lot of play in my house. Is it right that in the US you call houses 'homes'. This is what Peter HInce says in his book. I love that Cameron Deacon has Freddie as his LBG Idol, such a shame he never grew up around Freddie as I imagine they would have got on very well. I adore Cameron's sense of humour and that he openly admitted to having learning difficulties. That takes guts. He does mention how he would like to get married and have children, so sweet :) |
doughnut 06.05.2019 08:14 |
Mika as long as I get the original Freddie , I'll be happy :) |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 08:21 |
Phoebe said one of the main reasons that Freddie started smoking was to try to curb his hand movements during interviews (to give his hands something to do) Bless him! Yes, Cameron and Freddie would have got along famously! |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 08:24 |
Other than Queen I mostly only like Classical music. Bach. Mozart, Saint Saens, Prokofiev, Tchaikovsky , Pachelbel, Dvorak, and Elgar are among my favourites. Don't care for Strauss ( 1 OR 2) or Beethoven much. |
Deedree 06.05.2019 08:31 |
Once again I have been away a few days and had lots of reading to catch up with There was trouble in our Freddie Facebook group but its all sorted now , Oh the life of an admin!! OK back to the reading on here With some of your Freddie adoration comments on here I have been reading maybe you may like our adults only Facebook group 50 Shades of Freddie Mercury its a lot of fun! Talk soon! |
doughnut 06.05.2019 08:53 |
Deedree I have mentioned your 'fifty shades' group here and some are members I think. For me personally whilst I adore all the things about Freddie that I mentioned, I just can't get into sexual online fantasies about him with strangers lol. I just can't do the role play part. I think for me it's because I know Freddie was gay and so it feels wrong. I am happy in my bubble of Jim and Freddie lol |
mika251 06.05.2019 09:08 |
doughnut wrote: Mika as long as I get the original Freddie , I'll be happy :)In my heaven they are all original :) |
Deedree 06.05.2019 09:11 |
doughnut our role players left today on 50 Shades and it is back to how it was just a group to admire this wonderful man - no role play and all that stuff, it was not created for that in the first place ) |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 09:14 |
I joined the 50 Shades group out of curiosity and it's fun to see all hear (mostly) ladies express heir appreciation for our beautiful Freddie, but I can't do fantasy either. I lack the imagination. Honestly. And I don't need to fantasize about Freddie just because I admire him and find him attractive. Which makes me want to ask you all this question..... When you read anything, do you see a picture of he thing/person/place/situation whatever in your head ? I understand from people I've spoken to about it that this is the norm, but I don't do that! If I try really hard I can summon up a sketchy picture in my head of what someone or place is meant to look like but it's totally unnatural to me and is hard work. Is there anyone else like me in jail aspect? My Dad says e doesn't know how I enjoy a book if I don't picture it, but I don't know an different. I totally lack imagination! So,. Straw poll folks! Do you naturally envision what you are reading ?? |
Freddienotfreddy 06.05.2019 09:15 |
Roger Taylor was flat out beautiful in the 70s and I definitely appreciate the tattooed biker grandpa he has aged into;however, Freddie, with his soulful eyes and exquisite bone structure, was memorizing. There are some pictures of Freddie that I find myself staring at. Also, even with the way he burned the candle at both ends for a while, he was aging beautifully. and I'm sure he would have continued to do so as that is another advantage of good skin and bone structure. |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 09:39 |
Please excuse the usual round up of typos! I think you will all get the gist without translation (Mika you're the expert translator! Help!!! ) |
doughnut 06.05.2019 10:35 |
Freddie darling I don't have much of an imaginative mind but I can visualise as I read . When I think of Freddie I don't visualise me with him , more him with jim. Saying that I wouldn't say no to have had the opportunity to rub my hands through his chest wig lol He was aging beautifully and yes he had beautiful skin . To me he just oozed sex appeal . I think he knew that and took full advantage as Freddie the rock star. |
doughnut 06.05.2019 10:37 |
To me Freddie looked absolutely beautiful at the time of the ET interview. His eyes were sparkling xx |
doughnut 06.05.2019 10:49 |
Deedree I got your message and i don't know . Guys some of you put comments in a box when replying to someone . How do you do it ? Freddie desire on a,quiz show yesterday presented by Warwick Davies , the contestants had the chance to answer questions about queen and they chose not too... How dare they lol |
doughnut 06.05.2019 10:50 |
Freddie dear not desire ha ha |
mika251 06.05.2019 11:03 |
Doughnut, it's very tricky, but when you go with the cursor to the date and time of the post, right in the same line are three invisible buttons :D I made them visible for you :) Posted: 06 May 19, 10:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote So you just click on what you want Freddie Darling - you can edit your posts as well but don't do this, your typos are phenomenal :))) |
mika251 06.05.2019 11:15 |
Doughnut I have sent you a PM |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 11:35 |
Quiz questions about Queen! Hah! We'd have wiped the floor with the lot of them ! :-) OK the typos stay! As long as I'm entertaining the troops! ;-D |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 11:35 |
Quiz questions about Queen! Hah! We'd have wiped the floor with the lot of them ! :-) OK the typos stay! As long as I'm entertaining the troops! ;-D |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 11:35 |
Ok girls if I could split Freddie which half would you want?Theres enough of him obviously from what I heard to go around.And yes I'm talking to doughnut and Freddie Darling .By the the way Freddie Darling what does birth pole mean? |
doughnut 06.05.2019 11:45 |
[I got it, I think I am doing this right mika251 wrote: Doughnut, it's very tricky, but when you go with the cursor to the date and time of the post, right in the same line are three invisible buttons :D I made them visible for you :) Posted: 06 May 19, 10:50 Edit this post Reply to this post Reply with Quote So you just click on what you want Freddie Darling - you can edit your posts as well but don't do this, your typos are phenomenal :))) |
doughnut 06.05.2019 11:46 |
no this seems to be the right one lol |
doughnut 06.05.2019 11:55 |
mika251 wrote: |
doughnut 06.05.2019 11:57 |
chevyman I would be happy with the top half so that I can have wonderful conversations with him and rub my hands through his chest :) |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:01 |
I'll take the left half ! :-D I'm a lefties, so I always go for left ! LOL ! |
Blenkolove 06.05.2019 12:01 |
Thanks Mika! ....but I think it's trickier on my phone...i'll try n give it a go later....Off to work I go ......cleaning people's teeth, but none are as fascinating as Freddie's! Have a Grreat Monday! |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:01 |
*lefty |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:01 |
*lefty |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:02 |
Chevy I did type North Pole but Google decided I didn't mean that at all !! LOL ! Birth Pole conjures up some very ..... vivid images!! |
mika251 06.05.2019 12:08 |
OK my wonderfull darlings, time to move on. As the conversation became very personal last couple of pages before, I'm going to create a Facebook group. I'm not sure Thor and all others are as impressed by our recent conversation as I am :) Everybody who wants to join in, please send a PM and I will send you a link. Feel free to discuss and share anything you want, no topic is out :) |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:08 |
Happy polishing, Blenkie !! |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:11 |
I don't think we've been took ..... lurid. I think Thor and Lee don't mind that we love Freddie for his physical self as well as his glorious talent and personality. He's like fine art! To be appreciated by those with the taste to appreciate him! :-) |
doughnut 06.05.2019 12:22 |
I have said it's a great idea as we can talk and talk to our hearts content and not clog up this page. I'm sure Thor doesn't mind our admiration of Freddie but it's taking up time when this should be for Thor/Lee about Freddie. Poor Thor ends up with pages and pages to have to go through as does everyone else. . Obviously we are still here but we will have another outlet . Everyone is welcome to join, it will be fun and much easier to share photo's etc. Also there are some members of QZ that resent us being here. I can understand why they think that but it's a real shame. |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 12:24 |
Mika,Is the forum closing is that why you are opening a fb page.I think it would be awesome for us.We were just joking about the last two pages we meant no disrespect.Im just a little more open about things than alot of people I will definitely modify my subject matter. |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 12:26 |
Mika,Is the forum closing is that why you are opening a fb page.I think it would be awesome for us.We were just joking about the last two pages we meant no disrespect.Im just a little more open about things than alot of people I will definitely modify my subject matter. |
mika251 06.05.2019 12:30 |
Chevyman, no the forum is still open. I just think, they are still people who would like to discuss with Thor how was Freddie like and ask him questions and they are not really interested what bunch of women think the sexiest part of Freddie's body is. That's why I want to move to more private place. We don't really know who is watching :) |
doughnut 06.05.2019 12:32 |
chevyman the thread isn't closing and I don't think Mika means she doesn't like the subject we have been discussing, it's more that this page should be for Thor and we are taking it over a bit. We all clearly have a good sense of humour and we would like to discuss many things without worrying about Trolls and alike. I have seen things posted on here shared all over social media which I am bit uncomfortable with. It would be a secret group so what is said is between us and no one else :) PS I'm feeling proud that my youngest selected Rocket Man on her google home. I feel I am doing a good job of educating her in older music lol Sadly she said she is a little bit fed up of Queen as its all she hears ;) |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:34 |
I'm all for a nice Freddie appreciation society FB! :-) I don't really like to get too graphic but I do appreciate that Freddie (for me, anyway) was a fine example of the male animal. Count me in ! |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 12:34 |
Doughnut,Who doesn't want us here ..We are so lovely? |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 12:36 |
This gushing about our boy certainly beats the bicker fest that went on last week, anyway! |
doughnut 06.05.2019 12:42 |
that I one million % agree with FreddieDarling. My god some people are strange in what they choose to believe. Do anyone feel sad when we talk about Freddie? I do sometimes as I wish he was still around. I wish it was him up there with Brian and Roger although he did say he didn't like the thought of being in his tights on stage as a old man. I wonder what direction he would have taken if he was still here ? |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 12:43 |
Doughnut, I sent you A pm |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 13:02 |
Doughnut,Me too he should be here.If he could of held a little longer he might still be here.Thats what Brian May said. |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 13:05 |
FreddieDarling,I agree he was such a young man though it foesnt seem fair he said be with Brian and Roger .I know they miss him like crazy. |
Liona 06.05.2019 13:11 |
Oh Doughnut, I feel for you "The most adorable part of Freddie for me was the way he used his hands when he spoke. So expressive. I sometimes watch his interviews just to watch his hands lol. Does this sound weird lol . " This does not sound weird :)))). In the interview with Rudi (1982) Freddie was speaking about "visual theatrics" and using his hands (fortunately free from the cigaret or something else at that moment). I have been watching for this moment again and again. |
doughnut 06.05.2019 15:33 |
liona iv'e never seen anyone so expressive with their hands. |
doughnut 06.05.2019 15:33 |
liona iv'e never seen anyone so expressive with their hands. |
doughnut 06.05.2019 15:35 |
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RussiaLand 06.05.2019 15:37 |
FreddieDarling wrote: When you read anything, do you see a picture of he thing/person/place/situation whatever in your head ? I understand from people I've spoken to about it that this is the norm, but I don't do that! If I try really hard I can summon up a sketchy picture in my head of what someone or place is meant to look like but it's totally unnatural to me and is hard work. Is there anyone else like me in jail aspect? My Dad says e doesn't know how I enjoy a book if I don't picture it, but I don't know an different. I totally lack imagination! So,. Straw poll folks! Do you naturally envision what you are reading ??I usually imagine things, places, people when I'm reading about them. And I always thought it was the same for everyone. But I accidentally watched this video some time ago, and it turns out not everyone is able to do this! It was really mind-blowing to learn this, and to watch how the girl in the video describes the process of drawing (she's an artist who can't see pictures in her head!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewsGmhAjjjI |
doughnut 06.05.2019 16:13 |
Thor I don't know if you are reading any of this thread or you Lee/Shaun but I hope you are well and haven't been bullied of off this site. Please check in and let us know you are ok ? |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 16:24 |
Mika thanks for your PM. Wow! With a Face Book group of THAT name I have to join! I have applied.:-) Love the Freddie picture. :-) RussiaLand thank you I'm going to check that link out via my laptop. Should be interesting! I sometimes wonder if there's something wrong with me! Don't all shout out at once! LOL ! I'm a bit of an artist, too I can draw and paint. Ooh, I've just been approved to join! :-D Yes,please Thor check in and tell us you are all doing OK. |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 16:57 |
OMG ! Thank you RussuaLand! Now I know the name for what I have re my lack of imagination! Aphantasia! I'm not alone in the world. It's still disappointing that I can't visualise things I read etc. but at least now I know what the issue is!! Thanks, matey! |
doughnut 06.05.2019 17:05 |
freddiedarling can you not imagine what characters may look like when reading a book? Is you mind just blank ? |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 17:42 |
Doughnut, it's just a blank unless I really try hard. Sometimes I cheat and think of them (I won't say"imagine" that would be too strong a word for it) them as an actor or actress. It's too long winded for me to bother to try to conjur up the images it'd take forever to read if I tried. I'm used to this 'handicap' it's like colour blindness. I don't know any different. |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 17:53 |
This Queen Rebus Quiz was posted on Mercury Tribute bands FB page. How many Queen songs can you see depicted? |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 17:56 |
Let's try that without the chat head icon ! Sorry! |
CHEVYMAN 06.05.2019 18:46 |
Thor This is your Chevy just checking in on you and Lee.I know you probably are reading this and I'm thinking about you we all are.Hope all is well. |
FreddieDarling 06.05.2019 22:38 |
Hi Peeps This flashed up on my YouTube notifications from George m I think there might be the odd scene we haven't seen in previous Garden Lodge videos. Sweet Freddie in his lovely home. Makes me ache with nostalgia and hollow that he was taken way too young. God bless you, Freddie. If in God's house there are many mansions, I hope that yours is your beloved Garden Lodge filled with your lovely pussy cats and the friends and family but who have crossed over to you. You deserve paradise. link |
emdee0809 07.05.2019 00:49 |
Darn - I missed the discussion of everyone's favorite Freddie body part- hope you don't mind but I would like to add my Freddie fetish- I love the upper cut boxing move he makes with his arm- and even better when there is no shirt covering his muscles- second- his boxing shoes on his feet- to each his own I guess Chevy- I can see why you like that blonde cutie, Roger, and no one mentioned John- certainly had that shy irresistible look:) Freddiedarling- I remember seeing parts of tat video- felt so bad seeing Joe Fanelli sick in bed- and was that Barbara V at the beginning? |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 01:48 |
Emdee, yes that was the one and only Barbara valentin.You need to make a fb and come on over to our private group honey. |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 01:56 |
Emdee,you have a thing for feet .That's a new one.He does have nice feet though.His lips are nice too .He had the fullest lips no injections for him.We all are still posting here but our private group is used to discuss things maybe more suited for ladies and it takes up to much space here.No man wants to see a chicks mouth watering over a dude right. |
emdee0809 07.05.2019 02:02 |
Yes- I need to get to fb! |
Perk 07.05.2019 02:45 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Ok girls if I could split Freddie which half would you want?Theres enough of him obviously from what I heard to go around.And yes I'm talking to doughnut and Freddie Darling .By the the way Freddie Darling what does birth pole mean?This is a cruel question because it’s hard as hell to choose and because the buttons are invisible geez. I learned that just now too. I don’t see invisible stuff I think this site must’ve been around when Freddie was alive it’s so ancient. CHEVY Unfair question :(((( there is no choosing I’m not good at sharing my men. Probably why I’m single. I will agonize for years over this question now. Thanks :P lol |
Perk 07.05.2019 02:52 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Emdee,you have a thing for feet .That's a new one.He does have nice feet though.His lips are nice too .He had the fullest lips no injections for him.We all are still posting here but our private group is used to discuss things maybe more suited for ladies and it takes up to much space here.No man wants to see a chicks mouth watering over a dude right.Cheekbones too and I have to be kinda jealous of his metabolism and his ability to ear to live. Food is good I live to eat I wish he was here to teach me. Do you guys know who Denis is? He was mentioned on IG that that hater chick has gone after him I know Sean but who is Denis? Ugh Barbara Valentin another case of a woman falling in love with a man she can never have. Sounds like all the women Freddie became close friends with had this problem. The only woman Freddie would’ve bedded was Jim dressed in drag. Hehe. Not that he ever would. Wow unlike some I have a great imagination and I just pictured that WOAH. don’t Jim! Ahhhhh hahahhahaha |
Perk 07.05.2019 02:56 |
emdee0809 wrote: Yes- I need to get to fb!The buttons ever become visible??? Also what group? 50 shades? Also, I wanna see pics of his feet cause most guys have horrible feet. Wonder what his shoe size was in American just to see if the old saying holds true. ;) |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 03:06 |
Perk, join us on fb I will send You a pm. |
Perk 07.05.2019 03:08 |
I almost had to hunt a teenage girl down and beat her yesterday (not really) but she said something about Taylor Swift being as popular as Freddie Mercury and as great and as I swallowed the bile that almost escaped, I met Taylor when she was like 13 and she was nice back then but she sang when I was there and it was cute like a kid who is trying. But yeah NO. That’s like comparing a skateboard to a Lamborghini and she shamed me for saying so. I did so nicely not with above metaphor. She rudely ( what’s with this generation) told me Taylor was a legend too and just cause I’m old and stupid I shouldn’t diss her. I was like oh hell no. Thank god i dont know where you live you lil ingrate. I used to love kids until this generation and I have 4 nieces and a nephew in it and I love them but hate them too lol. Though one is 20 so she is getting better. But 17 and 15 I need them to grow out of this or something. My other two nieces are 16 and 15 and the 16 year old just doesn’t think school attendance is necessary so I sent her a text the other day like school is not OPTIONAL go or you will regret it then my brother’s gf texts me to say not to upset her. I’m like she needs to be upset or she will ruin her life! Like if I skipped one DAY of school I would’ve gotten the gauntlet but she misses a lot and my brother is like she was sick. I’m like is she the sickest kid ever. Does she need to live in a BUBBLE? He sucks at discipline scratch that he doesn’t know how to discipleship them and they are as much as I love them horrible kids. Ugh! They need prayer from all of us. At Easter I only saw the top of my nephew’s head cause his face was on his phone. Sorry you guys I’m frustrated. Anyway Thor been back? How do I make these buttons visible? |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 03:09 |
Perk,Dennis took pics of Freddie while he was in Munich. |
Perk 07.05.2019 03:23 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Perk,Dennis took pics of Freddie while he was in Munich.Where is he that this girl can get to hating on him. Here? Some of your old members on here don’t want to see Thor bashes so they are scared to come back |
Perk 07.05.2019 03:26 |
How does Freddie jog and sing he’s amazing omg. I’m watching Magic Tour Wembley the man hogs up stairs then Sings I can’t breathe if I jog upstairs he amazes me somehow every day |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 03:32 |
I dont think thor is coming back I cant say that I would blame him if he didnt. |
Perk 07.05.2019 04:02 |
Thor posted the other day. Said he had good news for us soon. He will be back I’m pretty sure. Considering he told me that in PM |
Perk 07.05.2019 04:02 |
Thor posted the other day. Said he had good news for us soon. He will be back I’m pretty sure. Considering he told me that in PM |
NotQuiteAShilling 07.05.2019 04:43 |
I think the Facebook page is a really good idea. Let's keep this forum more on track for Thor and Lee (and Shaun) and their relationship with Freddie |
NotQuiteAShilling 07.05.2019 04:47 |
I subscribed to John Deacon's son Cameron's YouTube page a couple months ago. I think he is adorable and full of positive energy. He is very openly gay and I believe a wonderful role model for his peers. How things have changed since Freddie/Thor/Lee's days in the 80's thank god!!! He speaks of "uncle Freddie" with reverence and respect. I adore Cam |
mika251 07.05.2019 05:14 |
Good morning all !! If you want to join us on FB, send me a PM and I will send you the link. Everybody is welcome :) |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.05.2019 05:18 |
Is the fb group made for Thor and Lee or just a friendly chat group? |
mika251 07.05.2019 05:52 |
Dustin, Only friendly chatting group. |
Dustin Zimmerman 07.05.2019 06:07 |
Oh ok thnx. Just curious. |
doughnut 07.05.2019 07:12 |
Dustin we are taking up to much of Thor time chatting about random stuff . This is why we have set up a th page and it is private so we can chat in peace from trolls . Emdee you can set a fb account up using a different name so the kids you teach can't find you lol |
RussiaLand 07.05.2019 11:11 |
FreddieDarling wrote: OMG ! Thank you RussuaLand! Now I know the name for what I have re my lack of imagination! Aphantasia! I'm not alone in the world. It's still disappointing that I can't visualise things I read etc. but at least now I know what the issue is!! Thanks, matey!I am absolutely fascinated by such things! Makes me realise how many things we as human beings take for granted. Based on our own experience, we assume everyone else experiences it the same way. And then it turns out they don't! Absolutely amazing! Yes, FreddieDarling, you are not alone! :) |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 15:01 |
Perk, Dennis is on Instagram he has tons of pics of Freddie.The man speaks the truth.He is very willing to talk to fans just like these two wonderful guys.Yes I do agree us women need to get out there and get some men to join this thread.The estrogen is taking over.Those poor guys need other guys to talk to .What do men talk about anyway?Probably their muscles maybe their cars.Oh I almost forgot sports. |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 15:23 |
Perk,Yes the women In Freddie's life seem to be few and far between.The ones he befriended seemed to have formed a close loving bond with him.Barbara wanted him bad girl.To me they were good as friends she posed for the press some which I think was a bad Idea.Peoplecwere used to seeing him in public with mary.Barbara and Mary were so different to me it looked like they were both just used for the press.To me it looked staged and I'm not saying that unkindly he did what he had to do.Mary was small petite and Barbara was a big girl with large boobs etc.It just looked strange I'm sorry for saying that .I think Barbara fell in love with him it must have been so awkward for him.I would've locked my bedroom door at night if I were him yikes!!!!!! |
doughnut 07.05.2019 15:50 |
notquiteashilling I find Cameron Deaky adorable too. I have subscribed to his youtube account :) |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 15:55 |
I just wanna set the record straight I dont think the bashing is why Thor is taking a break. I think the guy can get a temper if he would let himself kudos to him for controlling it so well.I believe he is retired and has a life outside this thread and is taking him a spring break.The person or persons going after Freddie's friends and fans are making fools out of themselves.We all have tough skins and I'm sure Thor,Dennis ,and whoever else that comes along will consider the source of childish games and behavior and move on. |
doughnut 07.05.2019 16:31 |
I've not seen that much happening to Dennis on instagram. Does he share stores elsewhere? By the way just want to let you know that a lot of the photo's he shares aren't his own, a lot are taken from the internet. The ones from the filming of the video tend to be his. He puts his name on them as he was angry people were taking screenshots and claiming his photos. We all have a life outside of this place, although we need to sort this out as we should be devoting all out time to Freddie lol. Thor is bound to have been peed off at the trolls as I know I was. Why should he bother to come on here and share his memories when some people just want to knock him down. Anyway wherever he is I hope he is ok . |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 16:45 |
Doughnut,I agree totally he controlled himself very well probably all those years working with patients .You know me I have to dismiss myself I'm no good at my temper It gets to a point and there is no return.Maybe he would be give me a few lessons on controlling mine.Probably starters would be dont engage in negative conversation.Hes got me there for sure.He and Lee are nice guys I can see why Freddie liked to be in their company.It also helps to have a friend that is a nurse when you have a chronic and terminal illness like he did.Always just a phone call away. |
Holly2003 07.05.2019 16:59 |
I think I last contributed to this thread about 200 pages ago so I've lost track a bit but to sum up: Fred is the Night King leading an army of the undead from nightclub to nightclub; Roger Taylorgaryen has been bonking his aunt Daenerys again; a giant poodle has yet to decide which house he will fight for, but is leaning towards House Badger; and Jon Deacon is a magic hermit who will save the Queen from the upstart House Umber, and the villainous Adam Umber? Did I miss anything? |
doughnut 07.05.2019 17:14 |
Holly2003 wrote: |
lsg 07.05.2019 17:21 |
NotQuiteAShilling wrote: That is interesting history of Cinco de Mayo - I did not know that! Queen played in Puebla - correct? Was that the infamous shoe throwing concert??Yes QuiteaShilling, Puebla was the shoe throwing concert where they hit John Deacon in the head, and where you see photos of John wearing a Dallas cowboys helmet on stage. Freddie ended the show saying “ thanks for the shoes! Adios you M-f’ers, you bunch of tacos “ They promised never to return to Mexico for that and other serious issues....and they kept that promise |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 17:26 |
Lsgo,Cant blame him I wouldnt go back either. |
CHEVYMAN 07.05.2019 17:42 |
Holly,My sweet dear.I dont believe I have met you. I dont know were you got your info about night clubs but last time I checked a person didnt need lead by anyone they walked in and left on their own.Maybe this is your own opinion that's what it sounds like to me.We are entitled to our opinions but I think you might have this wrong in my opinion.Freddie met these two men from what I know and they introduced him to their friends they all ran around together.He referred to them as daughters maybe because they were younger than himself.He valued his friendship with them very much and didnt consider himself king of anyone.He just wanted to be a regular guy as much as any celebrity probably does from time to time.Im glad he had this outlet and developed these friendships to do so. |
Holly2003 07.05.2019 19:00 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: last time I checked a person didnt need lead by anyone they walked in and left on their own.Valar dohaeris! |
queenfan09 07.05.2019 20:57 |
Holly2003 wrote: I think I last contributed to this thread about 200 pages ago so I've lost track a bit but to sum up: Fred is the Night King leading an army of the undead from nightclub to nightclub; Roger Taylorgaryen has been bonking his aunt Daenerys again; a giant poodle has yet to decide which house he will fight for, but is leaning towards House Badger; and Jon Deacon is a magic hermit who will save the Queen from the upstart House Umber, and the villainous Adam Umber? Did I miss anything?I too haven't posted on this thread for awhile, but catching up always takes some time - hoping to see Thor's good news soon. I see John more as Ghost - seems kinda left out and not spoken much about, though everyone wonders where he is. But when you do see him, he's always cheered on! (Sad he's heading North...rarely to be seen again) Thanks Holly for throwing a bit of Westeros shenanigans in the mix - LOL |
FreddieDarling 07.05.2019 23:19 |
Anyone heard from our boys ? Hope all goes well in book publishing land! I so want this lovely book! |
CHEVYMAN 08.05.2019 01:42 |
Freddie D ,How are you? We are to lonely souls here arent we? |
Rainbow61 08.05.2019 05:23 |
When you play Queen music at home or in the car, what songs do you have to listen to more than once? I had an almost 2 hour drive to a meeting a couple of days ago and sang Queen music the entire trip. (Yes, in case you were wondering, I was the only one in the car!) There are some songs that as soon as they finish, I immediately have to listen to them a second time. "Tie Your Mother Down" is one of those songs. Just love the guitar work and the lively beat. I'm surprised I did not see a state trooper car with flashing lights pull up behind me...responding to a call from a concerned citizen who passed me on the road and saw a “mad” woman hollering to herself and gesticulating wildly as she was driving down the highway bouncing up and down on the seat! |
FreddieDarling 08.05.2019 06:35 |
Hi Peeps! Happy Hump Day to you all ! Thought I'd share this link to a YouTube video. it's a video of the Live Killers your from 1979 and Freddie and indeed all of them are on fine form love how amused Freddie looks when singing Dreamer's Ball ! ? It's LOOONG ! Hour and a half! Worth a download though! Have a great day link |
FreddieDarling 08.05.2019 06:40 |
Hey there Chevy mate! Yes thread is very quiet at the moment after Mika "rustled" everyone! Ha Ha! Shepherd Thor better come back and whistle us home! ;-) Rainbow! Save Me often gets a second play for me. Freddie's voice in this song is phenomenal. It has everything! Starts off slow and low and melodic, then goes into powerful and back and forth. I adore this song. Have a great day, peeps! TTFN |
FreddieDarling 08.05.2019 06:57 |
LOL@"mad woman", Rainbow! What a bloody cheek! A woman of great taste would be my description! |
doughnut 08.05.2019 07:03 |
Rainbow it's Dragon attack for me |
Rainbow61 08.05.2019 07:24 |
Oh my gosh...I know I am staying up far too late when the lovely folks "Across the Pond" are getting up and I have not gone to bed yet! |
Perk 08.05.2019 08:50 |
Rainbow I am up very late as well don’t worry. You aren’t alone. |
Blenkolove 08.05.2019 11:00 |
Rainbow....when the grands get in my car....i get two immediate requests!!!! No, Demands really! My granddaughter insists on '39...then proceeds to sing at the top of her lungs. (I am Not allowed to sing along with her!!!). My grandson (he's four) wants Radio Ga Ga and starts double clapping before I can even get the disc inserted.....he shouts to me....Double clap mimi!!!!! .....even though I'm driving!!.....Monty also loves Bicycle....but every time I play it he asks.....Why doesn't Freddie like Star Wars?????? It really bothers him. Lol |
Katydyd5 08.05.2019 11:38 |
Repeat listening in the car depends on my mood. Right now I'm loving "Who Wants To Live Forever" and "Killer Queen". My granddaughter always wants to hear "Bicycle" more than once. Both of my grandkids love WWRY. Once she was so angry at her brother for something that she was sputtering. She was so frustrated that she couldn't get the words out to express her anger. She finally shouted at him, "You've got mud on your face, you big disgrace!" It didn't lessen her anger that we all laughed. |
CHEVYMAN 08.05.2019 12:05 |
Katydyd,Funny how kids today like the music I guess it's through us they began to listen and recognize it. |
FreddieDarling 08.05.2019 13:15 |
Katydyd5 I love that story! Bless! At least it wasn't blood on his face! :-) |
NotQuiteAShilling 08.05.2019 15:48 |
Rainbows for me it's Body Language! I see you all cringing - haha! I can't help it - I'm bumping and grinding and singing those high notes at the top of my voice. Sometimes it's Invisible Man - RRRRRrrroger Taylor! By the way - I know I picked a very long user name here - feel free to just call me "Shilling" |
NotQuiteAShilling 08.05.2019 15:50 |
I think Thor and Lee are very busy working on whatever the "good news" is - at least that is what I am hoping is the reason they've been away....Shaun I think is just had it. But I am really really hoping he comes back too. I really love his input |
NotQuiteAShilling 08.05.2019 15:50 |
I think Thor and Lee are very busy working on whatever the "good news" is - at least that is what I am hoping is the reason they've been away....Shaun I think is just had it. But I am really really hoping he comes back too. I really love his input |
Katydyd5 08.05.2019 16:07 |
FreddieDarling, thanks for the video from Live Killers. I watched part of this morning, but will have to finish when I have more time. |
doughnut 08.05.2019 16:26 |
Shilling....... I like Body Language and Invisible Man...in fact I am a fan of the Hot Space album. Katy that is a wonderful story , you have taught them well lol....I realised I sound like Yoda .....Taught them well you have lol ....(says in Yoda's voice) You have too Blenko .....I love that the young from all parts of the world are enjoying Queen music :) Queenfan I am giving you a high five :) Rainbow the best way to be when driving listening to queen....go for it , esp when Bo Rhap comes on, you need to do a Waynes World :) Thor please say hi, AND Shaun :) |
NotQuiteAShilling 08.05.2019 17:31 |
My first double post - dang I was so proud of myself for never having done that! Sorry guys. It was either Katy or Blenko that got me into the Hot Space album. Other than Body Language I had poo poo'ed that album before. Now I love it. Back Chat! |
doughnut 08.05.2019 18:34 |
back chat, back chat lol I am sure Thor had a story about back chat?? |
mika251 08.05.2019 19:19 |
Hello everybody :) I spent 5 hours in my car today. It made whole gig in Budapest 86, Made in Heaven, Night at the Opera and a half of Rainbow 74. I'm old fashioned and still listen to albums as a whole and never skip anything :) My 3 years old daughter was with me and she doesn't complain so I hope she likes it too :) Funny thing is her favourite song is Get down make love :D bless her, she doesn't understand a word :) And Hot Space is my Nr. 1 album. I love Cool Cat ;) Doughnut, what's the story about the Back chat? :) |
doughnut 08.05.2019 19:58 |
Mika....your daughter has good taste because 'get down, make love' is another go to of mine. Lets hope she doesn't start singing it out loud somewhere embarrassing ;) I think Thor and Lee used to sing 'back chat,back chat' sometimes, I can't remember if it was with Freddie or when thinking about Freddie. You may have to go back and read every page to see it or hope Thor comes on soon and can remind us. Reading every page made take a while lol Ladies I have just finished reading a book by Rose Rose who was Freddie's girlfriend back in his college days . It is free to download on Kindle and is worth a read . Poor Freddie was a confused soul back then and it answers a lot of questions as to why he struggled with his sexuality. |
Annie65 08.05.2019 20:00 |
Rainbow...I usually listen to March of the Black Queen more than once......once just isn’t enough! |
Annie65 08.05.2019 20:04 |
Thanks for the book suggestion Doughnut...I think I will definitely check it out and I even have the Kindle app! |
NotQuiteAShilling 08.05.2019 21:42 |
Doughnut there may be a Thor/Lee Back Chat story that I don't remember - but I DO remember his story about Body Language. He said they did NOT like that one and if one of them was talking too much the other would say "Don't Talk" like Freddie does in Body Language. Hee Hee I can totally picture it! They may have teased Freddie with it too, I can't remember What is the name of Rose Rose's book please? Get Down Make Love is sooooooo good!! That kiddo's got taste! The Milton Keyes Live at the Bowl version is STELLER! Same with that concert's version of Dragon Attack and Action This Day. Hell that whole concert is the best. I've also been into repeated listening lately of "Stealing" - the long version. Freddie is amazing in that song imo |
The Black Queen's Kid 08.05.2019 22:33 |
At work I use my phone and a blue tooth speaker to stream Amazon music (we have bad radio reception in the building). I usually have a playlist filled with Queen blasting away in the lab. I've had several people who work in the building tell me that they really like my music. :0) |
Blenkolove 08.05.2019 22:33 |
Hey Shilling......believe it or not....i have Never heard the Hot Space Album. Sure, I've heard a few singles from it....but in my time it was soooo poorly recieved....that I put that album on the bottom of my wish list. Now I'm moving it to the top......as so very many fans rave about it!! Hey....Thor n Lee (Shaun, too)....could u guys just give us a quick post to let us know you're still here?????????? Miss you guys!!!! |
LoriG 08.05.2019 23:12 |
Typically repeat plays for me are live versions of ‘My Melancholy Blues’, ‘Save Me’, and ‘Dragon Attack’. All too good to hear only once. |
emdee0809 09.05.2019 01:51 |
Repeat plays depend on my mood of the day and Queen can satisfy all Recent repeats: Spread Your Wings, Melancholy Blues, Good Old Fashion Lover Boy Thor and Lee: Still patiently waiting for the good news Shaun: hope things are well with you! |
Jo T. 09.05.2019 05:02 |
She finally shouted at him, 'You've got mud on your face, you big disgrace! @katydyd, OMG, I cracked up about that story about your granddaughter. She sounds adorable - and clever! I remember when my nephew was in early elementary school, he heard "Fat Bottomed Girls" on my car stereo and commented that the lyrics were "mean." Apparently, it's rude to call out girls' bottoms as "fat." LOL @mika, when my nephew was 3, the age of your daughter, I would play B.B. King's version of "The Thrill is Gone" in my car. The lyrics may not be the most appropriate, but it's an easy song for a preschooler to learn, because the line "The thrill is gone" repeats 9x. Plus, it's a rock and roll blues classic. Start 'em young. As I drove, I'd yell out, "I forgot the lyrics again. What's the next line?" My nephew, strapped in his car seat in my back seat, would bellow back, in tune to the music, "The thrill is gone!" Those were the days. Blenkolove and katydyd, enjoy your grands when they're young and you're the Master of the Universe over your car stereo. I'm no longer in control. My teen nieces and nephew resent it when I try to force my beloved classics on them, esp. when they're captive en route. They have Spotify and have managed to pair their iPhones to my vehicle's Bluetooth. I'm forced to endure their Post Malone, Beyonce, etc. What ever happened to respect for their elders? I try to teach them that proper etiquette demands that the driver/owner of the vehicle has the ultimate say in the music selection, NOT the passengers, but they don't heed me. For me, I don't hate "Hot Space" but I'm not enamored by it, either. It's tolerable. |
mika251 09.05.2019 06:56 |
Jo T. Thanks a lot for recommendation. She listens a lot to various English nursery songs and starts to repeat the verses even she doesn't understand what she is singing about. The same goes to Queen songs. Mamma Mia mamma Mia in BoRhap was the first thing she sang :D I really hope English will be for her as natural as her mother tongue. |
doughnut 09.05.2019 07:17 |
A Awww shilling it was body language not back chat. I knew that was something said lol Search rose rose Freddie mercury as I can't remember the title , lol Good Thursday everyone |
doughnut 09.05.2019 07:22 |
Dragon attack , get down make love are awsome, as is my meloncony blues , beautiful and phoebes fav. Jo t my girls moan about my music in the car . I Bluetooth my Apple playlist . Yesterday my oldest asked how to connect her phone .....ummmm......I can't remember he he he |
FreddieDarling 09.05.2019 07:26 |
Good Morning Hope everyone obpn the thread has a great Thursday. It's cool and drizzly here (again) I too love Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy, I also adore Seven Seas of Rhye. Of course Somebody To Love (especially live) I'd be happy to have on permanent loop! I love the Dragon Attack firm Montreal. That growl in Freddie's voice when he sings "Yeah, yeah, yeah" is superb. He doesn't do it so full-throated often, bit this might be dud. Either he was entirely confident in his voice that night, or it was aggression/frustration coming out in him over the whole Saul Swimmer fiasco. Whatever it was I love it. Love all the tales of the kiddies singing along! Cute! Missing ourThor and Lee, but apparently the boys are busy with the book so that's all good! :-) My Little Freddies rocking chair arrived yesterday! He loves it! Gonna try to post a piccy. Have a good Thursday, peeps! TTFN |
FreddieDarling 09.05.2019 07:29 |
And here's another one of him in a calmer mood! Note Oscar sitting on his lap. |
FreddieDarling 09.05.2019 07:30 |
This is my Freddie 5D Diamond painting pictures so far....... Only a few thousand resin tiles left to apply! :- |
FreddieDarling 09.05.2019 09:55 |
Typos as ever! *Sigh* Should have read "this time he did" Freddie was NEVER "dud" !!! |
lsg 09.05.2019 20:54 |
I found this time elapse of constructing a Freddie sculpture totally mesmerizing. link |
lsg 09.05.2019 21:10 |
NotQuiteAShilling wrote: Doughnut there may be a Thor/Lee Back Chat story that I don't remember - but I DO remember his story about Body Language. He said they did NOT like that one and if one of them was talking too much the other would say "Don't Talk" like Freddie does in Body Language. Hee Hee I can totally picture it! They may have teased Freddie with it too, I can't remember What is the name of Rose Rose's book please? Get Down Make Love is sooooooo good!! That kiddo's got taste! The Milton Keyes Live at the Bowl version is STELLER! Same with that concert's version of Dragon Attack and Action This Day. Hell that whole concert is the best. I've also been into repeated listening lately of "Stealing" - the long version. Freddie is amazing in that song imoHi NotQuiteashilling, Rose Rose Book name is: LIFE, ART AND FREDDIE MERCURY 1968-70 |
lsg 09.05.2019 21:12 |
NotQuiteAShilling wrote: Doughnut there may be a Thor/Lee Back Chat story that I don't remember - but I DO remember his story about Body Language. He said they did NOT like that one and if one of them was talking too much the other would say "Don't Talk" like Freddie does in Body Language. Hee Hee I can totally picture it! They may have teased Freddie with it too, I can't remember What is the name of Rose Rose's book please? Get Down Make Love is sooooooo good!! That kiddo's got taste! The Milton Keyes Live at the Bowl version is STELLER! Same with that concert's version of Dragon Attack and Action This Day. Hell that whole concert is the best. I've also been into repeated listening lately of "Stealing" - the long version. Freddie is amazing in that song imoHi Notquiteashilling, Rose Rose Book name is: LIFE, ART AND FREDDIE MERCURY 1968-70 |
lsg 09.05.2019 21:12 |
Hi NotQuiteaShilling Rose Rose Book name is: LIFE, ART AND FREDDIE MERCURY 1968-70 |
Rainbow61 09.05.2019 23:25 |
Thanks to everyone who shared their Queen “repeat” songs. Wow…what a wide range of tunes that were mentioned. That so many different songs were picked shows how diverse Queen’s music was. "March of the Black Queen" is also one of my repeat favorites...just love that 70's stuff. "Who Wants To Live Forever" is such a beautiful and poignant song...that's why a while back I decided to use it for my Olympic gold medal figure skating performance! LOL Absolutely LOVED all the great stories about kids, grand kids, nieces, and nephews who like Queen music…picturing those kids singing makes me smile! You are all doing a grand job of preparing the next generation of Queenies! Freddie was always chauffeured everywhere, so he never had that wonderful experience of singing alone in the car. Can you imagine him driving down the highway belting out Prince or Aretha songs? Are there any Queen songs that you find difficult to sing? A couple that immediately come to mind are "Stone Cold Crazy" which is so fast I can barely keep up, and Mustapha, because of the throaty way some of the "words" are pronounced. As an English speaker, I am unaccustomed to making those sounds...but I do have a blast trying! |
Katydyd5 10.05.2019 01:26 |
Rainbow, I can't begin to sing Stone Cold Crazy. Even with the lyrics right in front of me, I can't keep up. It's one of my favorites though. |
NotQuiteAShilling 10.05.2019 03:54 |
Thanks Lsgp03!! Blenko you should definitely give Hot Space a shot. Maybe it was Katydyd who recommended it? Blenko you are my Tampa Bay Q105 buddy right? Doughnut - you were close They are both on Hot Space haha DON'T TALK |
doughnut 10.05.2019 07:04 |
Rainbow what a fab song choice for your gold medal performance. You must send us the link so we can see you lol ;))))) I feel blessed to be talking to you :))) Stone cold crazy is def hard to sing song, its so fast. Let me entertain you is tricky in places as I loose my breath. Katy let us know what you think of hot space when you listen to it . can't remember anything else, I have bad bad memory. Have good day all or evening or afternoon. Gosh wouldn't it be easier if we were all on the same time zone. of its ffffrrrrriiiiiiiddddaaayyyyy and I'm happy . Glass of wine this evening :) |
doughnut 10.05.2019 07:09 |
ah it was blenko who put HOt Space to the bottom on the pile. Dam. Give it a listen its good but at the time it was released it was a big departure for them so I understand why it wasn't well received . is everyone here on our little secret fb group ? if you want to join pm me |
Blenkolove 10.05.2019 09:46 |
IT'S FUN FRIDAY!!!! YAY! Shilling, I am the girl from Tampa. Mason Dixon is Still DJ on Q105! And I will report back when I've listened to Hot Space. Doughnut....i haven't joined yet....i need to get my son to help me set up private FB account.......hopefully soon!! Have a Great day guys!!! I have Killer's Live in my car right now....and am jamming to Death on Two Legs on my way to work.....It Really FIRES ME UP!! Tootles |
dudeofqueen 10.05.2019 10:58 |
>I have Killer's Live in my car right now....and am jamming to Death on Two Legs on my way to work.....It Really FIRES ME UP!! Whilst posting this message? Keep an eye out for the traffic police.......oh, and other motorists and pedestrians........ |
Blenkolove 10.05.2019 11:13 |
Actually Dude, I don't EVER text/talk while driving. I made my post while at home getting ready for work. But T Y for concern. I have a large truck that enables me to look down on traffic.....and I can ASSURE you I am one of the few NOT distracted while driving!!!!!!! I also drive with my precious grandbabies quite often.....and their Safety is of the utmost priority!! Driving with them is one of the single most important responsibilities I have ever faced!! Have a good day.....and YOU be safe!! |
Katydyd5 10.05.2019 12:49 |
Guys, it wasn't me who recommended Hot Space. I know it's growing in popularity, but I don't have it. Yet. |
doughnut 10.05.2019 15:15 |
honestly there are some judgemental people here ..... |
Freddienotfreddy 10.05.2019 17:57 |
I have definitely grown to appreciate Hot Space. Soul Brother, the song Freddie for Brian, is a beautiful song. So is Song for Lennon and of course there is Under Pressure. |
Saint Jiub 10.05.2019 18:03 |
I commend dude for confronting an apparent case of texting and driving ... |
doughnut 10.05.2019 19:06 |
saint she has already confirmed she typed the message before she left home. She typed the message on the basis that is what she was going to be doing Did you miss that message or was you to eager to join in berating her . Come on the world is shit enough as it is , lets give a little and be nice. In freddies words from Slane Castle 'Stop this shit , we don't like it ' |
Blenkolove 10.05.2019 19:23 |
Once Again.......There was No texting while driving. The WORDING may have been taken out of context.....the time stamp on the post is 5:46 am Florida time and i can assure you i didn't get into my vehicle until 7:30 am. I Fully understand I am not capable of being a safe driver AND texting......so I always choose to be the safe driver. It would be amazing if Everyone else chose that too, unfortunately that's not the case.......... I empathize with your frustration and thank you for your concern. |
Blenkolove 10.05.2019 19:27 |
Hey Doughnut!! You're an AWESOME wingman!! Thanks Sis!! |
doughnut 10.05.2019 20:00 |
blenko ...that's ok. I'm just a little tired of how quick people are to judge on here. I think I reached my boiling point lol I just wish people would be kind and decent to each other, that is what I try to teach my girls. In a world of social media its tough . |
doughnut 10.05.2019 20:02 |
Freddienotfreddy I love the song for lennon and soul brother is a grower for me . I listened to the album on my way home from work today :) |
Rainbow61 10.05.2019 20:09 |
Hi doughnut....I agree, "Let Me Entertain You" can be difficult to sing. I always stumble over "jazz you razzmatazz you"....it comes out as "Jazz you - tazz you" ...the "razzma" part just gets lost. (I will be sure to send you a link to the figure skating! LOL) Blenkolove....I love "Queen Live Killers"...my first Queen album! It's a double album, so when you open it up, there is a nice photo array of all the guys inside that I always enjoyed looking at. Album covers and and art were always so much fun to look at back in the day. I also like "Death on Two Legs"...great song when you are in that kind of mood! Would like to have been a fly on the wall when that song was being written, and then later, while it was being worked on/discussed in the studio. So glad it is Friday! |
Saint Jiub 10.05.2019 20:14 |
doughnut wrote: saint she has already confirmed she typed the message before she left home. She typed the message on the basis that is what she was going to be doing Did you miss that message or was you to eager to join in berating her . Come on the world is shit enough as it is , lets give a little and be nice. In freddies words from Slane Castle 'Stop this shit , we don't like it 'If dude had not posted, we would not know that she posted before getting behind the wheel. Hence I believe that dude did the right thing to question about texting and driving |
Blenkolove 10.05.2019 20:25 |
SERIOUSLY ????, So QZ has become traffic police????? Doughnut.....how Dare you listen to music while driving!!!......jk I'll be joining you on Private FB shortly!!! This QZ forum just isn't the same......without Thor, Lee and Shaun..... |
mika251 10.05.2019 22:17 |
Blenko, Join our FB soon. There is a lot of love everywhere :) |
FreddieDarling 10.05.2019 22:24 |
Yay! :-) Blenkie-baby is gonna join the Happy Band of Darlings ! Good for you, girl! It's lotsa fun there and I know you'll have a fine time even if Doughnut does keep claiming all the Freddie's! ;-D Doughnut, you go girl! Cut this sniping and bickering in the bud! Are you a headmistress? You should be! :-) Hope everyone non QZ has a fun weekend! It's the city and a trip to Freddie's for coffee and mandazi for me again! :-) |
CHEVYMAN 10.05.2019 23:06 |
Doughnut, Girlfriend this forum has gone to hell.Noone gets along anymore .What are we to make of this as Freddie would say.I think he would move on and I think The two that opened this forum have and will be doing the same soon.Cant blame them its sickens me what's happened.This kind of behavior is expected out of 20 year olds but not people in their late 30s and 40s.If I were them I would close this damn thing I wouldnt have my name attached to this forum any longer it can't be good for the publishers to see this circus.What do you think? |
NotQuiteAShilling 11.05.2019 00:09 |
Rainbows61 could you please send me the link to your performance too? I ADORE figure skating!! doughnut or Mika - can you please send me your FB page? I'm still holding out hope for Thor/Lee or Shaun to return.... |
Freddienotfreddy 11.05.2019 04:16 |
doughnut, I like to think Freddie wrote Soul Brother as an olive branch to Brian because he hated Hot Space so much. Regarding Death on Two Legs, Brian has said he was uncomfortable with the song. I read the book Life on Two Legs that was written by Norman Sheffield, Queen's first manager that the song is written about. He considered not releasing A Night at The Opera when he first heard the song. Instead, he decided to release the album and sued Freddie for defamation of character. |
doughnut 11.05.2019 12:32 |
Freddienotfreddy I read Death of Two Legs too. I actually found it interesting from Norman's point of view. I finished it thinking that perhaps both sides were at fault and it's a shame it went that way. I read that Brian bumped into Norman much later after Freddie had one and by then it was water under the bridge. They acknowledged it was Norman who helped them get started. I like Death on two legs and Don't try Suicide , I like your thinking regarding Soul Brother :) |
doughnut 11.05.2019 12:37 |
Freddiedarling No way could I be a headmistress .....I'd be terrible at it :) It comes from being a parent of a teen and seeing the bitching and bullying that goes on. There are some on QZ who attack people who don't fit their idea of a fan. I think they must have sad, boring lives because why else would they enjoy coming up with sarcastic stupid comments to people's posts. It's pretty sad and that's what makes me think the world will never be at peace as there are too many arseholes! Link to the FB group to be sent. Hope to see you there soon :) We still post of here and will continue to say hi to Thor in the hope he is at least looking . |
thundergod 11.05.2019 15:58 |
I am here but I am not participating. More important to get this book to press. I still love you all. |
emdee0809 11.05.2019 16:11 |
Great to hear from you Thor and hoping things are progressing with the book. Just taught the teachable Freddie moment you and Lee shared with me about 150 pages back. Since that time I realized that I could also use this phrase: "Fans of Freddie's friends forever" to teach alliteration:) And I would like to include Shaun as he was friends with Phoebe and Fanelli as well as Freddie's favorite love - Jim!! Enough with alliteration. Hope everyone has a great weekend and Happy Mother's Day early to all the mother's out there!! |
Annie65 11.05.2019 16:26 |
We love you too Thor! Thanks for popping in :) |
doughnut 11.05.2019 18:31 |
Thor thank you so much for saying hi and letting us know you are alive Please don't be a stranger and fingers crossed for your book :) Shaun if you are watching could you please say hi too? Honestly there are a lot of us good people here and we appreciate everything you have shared with us :) |
NotQuiteAShilling 11.05.2019 18:45 |
THANK YOU THOR!!! We LOVE and support you, and Lee and the book!!!! I know we all love Shaun too. Shaun if you are lurking but not talking - know you are loved |
koala 11.05.2019 19:37 |
Glad to hear you're still with us, Thor, thanks for chiming in. "Getting this book to press"...hmmm does that mean you've found a publisher?? :) |
koala 11.05.2019 19:47 |
Also, here's an interesting video I've found recently: link It's basically edited clips from the Garden Lodge tapes most of you have probably already seen, but there are some bits in there that were new to me. I particularly liked the fact you can hear Freddie complaining about the showers to a guest at some point (I remember an Ask Phoebe where Peter talked about how Freddie was continually frustrated by the fact that nobody could build him a working shower at GL). |
doughnut 11.05.2019 19:59 |
koala I have seen this , we are all on the ball lol. One thing I found is the the 'freddie and jim smile at each other as I couldn';t spot this, it's just to dark . I just see Freddie come out of the Kitchen with a bottle of champayne and jim go into the kitchen lol I love Freddie's expressive hands when he talks about the tiles :) |
koala 11.05.2019 20:25 |
Doughnut, I remember squinting real hard at that part but not being able to see anything either - I choose to believe that the smile really happened, however, lol. And I completely agree with you about Freddie's expressiveness. He's so enthusiastic when showing people the house in these clips, it's adorable. |
Selkie 11.05.2019 20:31 |
Glad to see you are still around Thor! Sending positive vibes to you and Lee daily. Also hope Shaun will come around again soon. Speaking of Garden Lodge showers; anyone else feel ridiculous anger about that? I mean, Freddie deserved to have an awesome shower damnit! All the garden lodge boys deserved to have an amazing hot shower whenever they wanted! Wth Lol |
Deedree 11.05.2019 21:59 |
Yeah that was bizarre about the showers, maybe it was something to do with the age of the plumbing, it was a very old house :) Great to hear from you Thor! Looking forward to the book! |
Rainbow61 11.05.2019 23:16 |
Always nice to hear from you, Thor. Hope this has been a productive time for you and Lee....we support you guys whatever stage you are at in the book publishing process! |
Freddienotfreddy 11.05.2019 23:31 |
Welcome Selkie I wouldn't feel too bad about the shower situation at Garden Lodge. Freddie may have wanted to have them there, but we know how much he LOVED his bubble baths! |
Katydyd5 12.05.2019 00:01 |
Glad to see you pop in Thor. I fully support all you and Lee are doing. |
CHEVYMAN 12.05.2019 00:53 |
Selkie,I couldnt imagine taking a bath and not a shower baths dont get you clean .A shower does.You are basically bathing in your own dirt.I hate it too for Freddie.If he had one I bet it would be the nicest shower ever installed at those times. |
Selkie 12.05.2019 00:58 |
Chevy- I feel the same way about baths. Nothing beats a hot shower! |
CHEVYMAN 12.05.2019 01:03 |
Thor, Glad to here from you.Don"t be a stranger.Good Luck on Finishing things up. |
Perk 12.05.2019 05:04 |
Thor what you got left to do on the book? |
Perk 12.05.2019 05:04 |
Thor what you got left to do on the book? |
Perk 12.05.2019 05:04 |
Thor what you got left to do on the book? |
Perk 12.05.2019 05:05 |
Omg this site is ancient |
Perk 12.05.2019 05:08 |
I didn’t mean to post that a bunch of times. |
FreddieDarling 12.05.2019 12:51 |
Thank you, Thor for dropping in! Fingers crossed you have met a smart publishing house who realise and appreciate the gem you have to offer! Keep well and love to you both. Kind Regards to everyone and Happy Mother's Day to our American Mommies! |
Rainbow61 12.05.2019 13:36 |
A very happy "Mother's Day" to all the mothers out there, especially to those who have taken on the duties of a mother, but are not called "Mom"! |
LaureG 12.05.2019 13:45 |
Happy mother's day to all who are concerned. In France it's on may 26th ... can't wait to know more about Thor's and Lee's book. Have a wonderful sunday! :) |
doughnut 12.05.2019 19:00 |
laureG and Rainbow I have sent you a PM Happy mothers day to those celebrating today :) |
Radioblabla 12.05.2019 20:35 |
thundergod wrote: I am here but I am not participating. More important to get this book to press. I still love you all.Hi Thor thanks for stopping by and am I wrong but does that mean you found a publisher? :) Hope it's progressing smoothly. Keep up! |
Jo T. 12.05.2019 21:10 |
Thor, you finally came up for air. Just keep on swimming. We can't wait for the book to be "hot off the press" in the near future! |
emdee0809 12.05.2019 21:31 |
Rainbow- what a wonderful Mother's Day post - you are absolutely correct-there are many that fill the role as mother- Happy Mother's Day to all!! Thor and Lee- Hope you are getting closer!! |
Perk 13.05.2019 01:39 |
Help someone....has there been an update? I cannot figure out how to get to my PM box. I went under members and I saw my email but that's something different....I don't see the PM option even under any other tab. |
lsg 13.05.2019 01:39 |
Hooray! Thor made an appearance! Giving the confidence to keep on going. Hope everyone had a pleasant Mother’s Day. |
lsg 13.05.2019 01:39 |
Hooray! Thor made an appearance! Giving the confidence to keep on going. Hope everyone had a pleasant Mother’s Day. |
FreddieDarling 13.05.2019 08:01 |
Perk There should be a link under the text alerting you to a PM. Click/tap on the and it should take you to your QZ PM inbox. :-) |
FreddieDarling 13.05.2019 08:03 |
Perk Additional: the alert of a PMshould come to your email address your used o register to join. |
FreddieDarling 14.05.2019 19:22 |
Gosh we're all quiet! Can you hear me, Mother ?! OK here's a thread question/poll! If Rudi Dolezal's book is released in English are you going to buy it? Hope everyone is well. :-) BTW I ordered a Jim dolly for Little Freddie! I have to Jim-ify him when he arrives, but my boy needed a companion. I'm on the look out for a 1:12 scale "cuddly" physique man doll, too! Little Freddie needs a Little Phoebe to take care of him when I'm out! :-) If anyone spots a likely candidate can you PM me or post in the thread? (Especially if it's located in UK!) |
Galileo1564 14.05.2019 20:02 |
I think everyone has run off to the facebook group, but it’s not my thing. I’ve only occasionally posted on this thread. Yes, I’ll buy Rudi’s book if it’s available in English (or French). I think the part about dwarves being baked into chocolate cakes is made up. He was a part of Freddie’s professional life, so I expect there will be enough good in his book to make it worthwhile. My interest in Freddie is probably 90% on the music side and maybe 10% on the personal. I like knowing about him as a person from people who actually knew him. I wish there weren’t so many lies and myths floating around about Freddie! This group has been a big help in sorting out the truth from the BS. |
Annie65 14.05.2019 22:30 |
I will definitely buy Rudi's book if it is in English. I don’t think I’ll ever stop wanting to soak up Freddie from good sources! Looking forward to news from Thor and Lee about their book too! |
Katydyd5 15.05.2019 00:00 |
Rudi's book is on my list if it is published in English. I can't imagine that it won't be. I've checked on Amazon and there is nothing there yet. I truly believe that the original article about the book that had so many questionable statements came from a publisher or a journalist who didn't do their homework. Rudi worked closely with Freddie and the band for years and I think he will have many stories to share. |
CHEVYMAN 15.05.2019 00:23 |
I think Rudy's book is worth a read.When is it gonna be out?I'm totally excited for Thor and Lee book too I'm willing to read any book by someone that had a close friendship or at least knew him .I find the chances of it being true and more probable than these trash tabloid journalists accounts of the truth. |
CHEVYMAN 15.05.2019 00:36 |
I'm gonna go ahead and speak for the fb group that has been created.Alot of us from this forum havent stopped posting here we are taking a little break.The fb group still allows us to get together exchange photos act a little crazy and discuss a man that we all seem to have desire to discuss without hate from outside sources coming in ruining it.I think we all enjoy each others company or we wouldnt post day after day.Its not our Intention for this group to become big We want to keep it small like it is here.That's the reason everyone is and will be screened before joining.There wont be any bulling by any of our members.well I guess that's about all folks over and out. |
emdee0809 15.05.2019 00:58 |
I over reacted to the announcement of Rudi's book due to the "inner circle" comment- but any book written by someone who worked with Freddie and the band would definitely be one worth reading. Thor and Lee's book will be one that is on a much more personal level which is something I am anxiously waiting for- I am hoping to see Freddie enjoying some of his happiest times with great friends. |
CHEVYMAN 15.05.2019 01:18 |
Yes, emcee I agree with you it"s exciting can"tHardly wait. |
Jo T. 15.05.2019 02:02 |
I would read Rudi Dolezal's book in English. He's legit.' He's not some 3rd party journalist. As I learned from others on the thread, Rudi had worked w/ Freddie over many years. Because of what else I learned from others on the thread, I absolutely refuse to read LAJ's book. Remember the ancient (Indian?) parable about 6 blind men and the elephant? Each of the blind men had their own point of view about an elephant, based on what part they touched; e.g., tail, tusk, trunk, side, etc. I feel like Freddie's the elephant and we fans learn various facets about him - some overlap - from reading the words of people who were close to him, either professionally or personally; e.g., band member (Brian May's "Queen in 3-D"); boyfriends (David Minns' book and Jim Hutton's book); American friends "NY Daughters" (Thor and Lee's threads and upcoming book); personal assistant (Phoebe); roadie (Ratty's book) and now music producer (Rudi Dolezal's upcoming book). OMG, that's a lot of books already! LOL |
Selkie 15.05.2019 02:34 |
I’ll definitely read Rudi’s book. Looking forward to new Freddie insights! On a side note; my son gave me the Magic Tour Freddie Funko POP for mother’s day. Adorbs! Was the perfect gift. |
Deedree 15.05.2019 02:56 |
Just checking in to say hi I agree with Chevyman we are all enjoying our new found freedom in the Facebook group as it is so much easier to use The most exciting thing is that there is no chance of any trolls on there!!! Hi to Thor and Lee if you are checking in here from time to time We are so excited for the book! Hope its not far away now and hope that you are well When things calm down for you we would love to see you in the FB group xx |
Galileo1564 15.05.2019 03:07 |
I do expect Rudi’s book to be translated. It doesn’t make sense to not make it available to the English-speaking markets. I can’t imagine it costs that much to pay a translator. JoT—I like this elephant way of looking at Freddie books. |
Perk 15.05.2019 03:11 |
I give up on the Facebook group it doesn’t want to go to it *cries* |
doughnut 15.05.2019 18:40 |
I defo want to get the Rudi book as he seems a nice, honest man who interviewed Freddie several times, worked with him and the band on their videos and visited Freddie's home. I really hope it is printed in English, it's big market missed out if it isn't. I will be interesting to read his perspective of working with Freddie . We have all heard how much of a perfectionist Freddie was. I feel the blurb wasn't the work of Rudi, more a way of trying to sell the book by the publishers. As Chevy said we have created a FB group because it was getting too much on here with the trolls and long term members of this group who seem to resent newer members. Hope you are well Katy and Rainbow and everyone else :) |
doughnut 15.05.2019 18:41 |
selkie your son is amazing you lucky lady :) |
lsg 15.05.2019 20:51 |
I’m in for both Rudi, and Thor-Lee book. |
FreddieDarling 15.05.2019 21:18 |
H there , Peeps! Hope you all had a good HumpDay! Mine was made better by the arrival of my Betty Boop T Shirt which I won via the competition run by the lovely Mercury Tribute Band Facebook page! I'll try and attach a photo! I'm so pleased! Inp never win competitions as a rule! Glad to see a but more activity on the thread! It had stagnated a bit the last few days, and that saddened me. Love this thread most of the time. I definitely hope to get Rudi's book! Surely it'll get an English language release, too! Hope so. I am fond of the Torpedo Twins! Wonder if he still keeps in touch with Hannes Rossacher? Hope Thursday goes well for you all! Take care. Peeps!! Here's goes my attempted upload........... |
FreddieDarling 15.05.2019 21:20 |
And the back! :-) |
CHEVYMAN 15.05.2019 21:53 |
Perk what seems to be your problem |
CHEVYMAN 15.05.2019 22:26 |
FreddieDarling,Congratulations! |
emdee0809 16.05.2019 00:55 |
Freddiedarling- So are you going to wear that T-shirt or frame it?? How is Little Freddie- did he meet Jim? Thor and Lee- still waiting for that news!! Happy hump day! |
The Black Queen's Kid 16.05.2019 01:16 |
I'm definitely looking forward to Thor and Lee's book! So much has been written about Freddie on tour and Freddie that was the public persona. I think that some of us would like to know who he was away from the stage. How he spent his "down time" (if there was such a thing for somebody as driven as Freddie). |
Katydyd5 16.05.2019 02:13 |
I want to clarify something. My favorite videos are the "making of" videos. I prefer them to the polished end product because they often contain humorous moments or glimpses of the band as themselves, not so much as performers. Rudi was a big part of many of those "making of" videos I so love. I'm hoping his book is a collection of behind-the-scenes stories. I would like to see him share things that we may not know about the production of the videos. He also did several interviews with Freddie and I'd like to hear from him what it was like to be sitting across from Freddie and asking him questions. He has shared stories about making the video for One By One and I'd like to hear more. He knew Freddie for a long time and may be able to bring new aspects of his personality to light. However, I am most anxious for Thor and Lee's book. I knew who they were before I ever found QZ, and to be honest, was kind of star struck by both of them when I first started to post. Here I was actually talking to someone who knew Freddie. I was interacting with the New York Daughters. It was a delightful surprise to find that both of these special men are very genuine people. The bonus is, they know a part of his life about which very little is known to the fans. They know New York. They also traveled with him and can share stories of those times. They knew him as a friend, as a regular guy. Sure, they saw concerts, but they were seeing their friend perform. I can't even begin to imagine what that was like. They saw him after the concerts and know what he was like winding down after a performance. And they know who he was as a private person. I think I know a great deal about Freddie professionally, but far less about the man behind the scenes. That's what I want to know. I am so anxious for Thor and Lee's book. Of all the books I own, I think theirs will be a definate favorite. |
FreddieDarling 16.05.2019 06:33 |
Beautifully put , my dear Katydyd5, I think your eloquent post was a text version of what what most of us are in such eager anticipation about waiting for the release of Thor's and Lee's book. I know that what I read could have come straight from _my_ mind. Yes, that's just what I want, the stories that are hidden beneath the veneer of their professional life, i.e. the intricacies, subtle nuances and little quirks about the fascinating human being we all love and admire. Far more interesting than a potted history compiled from scavenging old press articles and a hand full of interviews from "a close friend" or even "a friend of a friend". I have no doubt that Thor and Lee's book (,and to some extent Rudi's book, too) will deliver these respectfully intimate anecdotes about Freddie. New, reliable information about Freddie to me are like treasure. I delight in their discovery and safely store the information in my safe-hold (in this case my brain!) So, well said Katydyd5 . It was like you read my mind! :-) Have a great Thursday, Peeps! Bye for now |
Annie65 16.05.2019 09:24 |
Katydid....very well said! And I love those making of videos as well for the glimpses of what he was really like. I can’t wait to read some of the stories in Thor and Lee's book as I’ve loved the little stories they’ve shared here. |
Annie65 16.05.2019 09:27 |
Freddiedarling I agree about getting excited about new and reliable information. Even a newbie like myself notices how often some things are recycled or rearranged to be presented as new or “rare.” |
Rainbow61 16.05.2019 12:16 |
@ Jo T….Your analogy of Freddie and the elephant in the Indian parable was spot on. Thanks! @ Selkie….What a great Mother’s Day gift. I love the Queen Funko Pop dolls that I have of the band from the 70’s + Wembley ‘86 Freddie. I just ordered the only one I didn’t have: Freddie in the white pants with a red tie belt. He should arrive on Saturday. For now, the dolls have found a home on my kitchen counter. @doughnut…I’m doing well. Life is good. @ Katydyd…I, too, enjoy the behind the scenes look at the band. There is always something both exciting and heartwarming about seeing and hearing the “unvarnished” Freddie. Like everyone else, I am also looking forward to Rudi’s book. His documentary “Freddie Mercury: The Untold Story” was in English, so there’s reason to hope his new book will be published in English as well. All of the various people who TRULY knew Freddie are contributing a piece to this beautiful Freddie mosaic with the books they have written. I am grateful for their unique perspective on this amazing man. Thor and Lee, with great anticipation, I eagerly await your piece in this mosaic. Whatever size or shape it may take, there will be no piece like yours! |
lsg 16.05.2019 18:04 |
Katydyd5 wrote: I want to clarify something. My favorite videos are the "making of" videos. I prefer them to the polished end product because they often contain humorous moments or glimpses of the band as themselves, not so much as performers. Rudi was a big part of many of those "making of" videos I so love. I'm hoping his book is a collection of behind-the-scenes stories. I would like to see him share things that we may not know about the production of the videos. He also did several interviews with Freddie and I'd like to hear from him what it was like to be sitting across from Freddie and asking him questions. He has shared stories about making the video for One By One and I'd like to hear more. He knew Freddie for a long time and may be able to bring new aspects of his personality to light. However, I am most anxious for Thor and Lee's book. I knew who they were before I ever found QZ, and to be honest, was kind of star struck by both of them when I first started to post. Here I was actually talking to someone who knew Freddie. I was interacting with the New York Daughters. It was a delightful surprise to find that both of these special men are very genuine people. The bonus is, they know a part of his life about which very little is known to the fans. They know New York. They also traveled with him and can share stories of those times. They knew him as a friend, as a regular guy. Sure, they saw concerts, but they were seeing their friend perform. I can't even begin to imagine what that was like. They saw him after the concerts and know what he was like winding down after a performance. And they know who he was as a private person. I think I know a great deal about Freddie professionally, but far less about the man behind the scenes. That's what I want to know. I am so anxious for Thor and Lee's book. Of all the books I own, I think theirs will be a definate favorite.Katy, Ditto, I knew as well who Thor and Lee were from the photos and videos before Thor started, I felt “star struck “ at the beginning as well. It felt like a “ 6 degrees of separation “ moment. Because Freddie cared and loved them so much....it’s a good feeling. |
doughnut 16.05.2019 18:27 |
Katy very well said and I agree in full I am very much looking forward to Thor and Lee's book. Friday tomorrow, thank goodness :) |
CHEVYMAN 16.05.2019 18:47 |
I wish everybody a happy and peaceful Memorial Day take time while celebrating to remember family a friend or loved one.As each year goes by and each holiday passes that's another year without them. Let's give them that day.Have a lovely holiday and weekend. |
Selkie 17.05.2019 00:23 |
Thanks doughnut! He really is a great guy. Katydid, you stated everything just perfectly. I feel the same about the books. I do really hope Thor and Lee are successful, and I hope to see them back here soon as well. |
emdee0809 17.05.2019 01:14 |
It's nice that there are still reliable people who knew and worked with Freddie willing to share their stories. Each of these books will offer differing points of view that will give us more insight into the man we can't seem to learn enough about. As Annie stated many "new" material is nothing more than recycled information written in a different way. Happy Friday to everyone working for the weekend! |
doughnut 17.05.2019 15:40 |
helllloooo everyone....it's Friday and I have finished work for the next three days......yipeee. Have a fab weekend all and have fun. |
FreddieDarling 17.05.2019 19:00 |
Thank Freddie It's Friday (that is what the "F" stands for, isn't it??!!) Lovely jubbly! I hope you all manage to fit some Freddie fun into any time off you have. I will be going into the city and enjoying a nice Americano coffee and warm Mandazi at Freddie's!?? Has anyone seen the Freddie Hit Space "Glitter" Funko affordable anywhere in the UK? Me want one!! Take Care, Peeps! |
Annie65 17.05.2019 22:30 |
FreddieDarling I have to tell you.....your jubilance is catchy! Have a great night. :) |
Annie65 17.05.2019 22:30 |
FreddieDarling I have to tell you.....your jubilance is catchy! Have a great night. :) |
Annie65 17.05.2019 22:31 |
Oh poop....knew that was going to post twice....couldn’t stop it. Sorry. :( |
FreddieDarling 17.05.2019 23:25 |
No probs Annie! We've all been there done that! At least your posts aren't an exercise in typographical errors! :-( Have a lovely weekend, Peeps! |
Hutchence 18.05.2019 02:34 |
Hi, guys ! How can I join the Facebook group ? Thx |
doughnut 18.05.2019 08:00 |
I badly want one of the funko freddie's too. I think you can get them at a really good price in the US. Maybe we need to take a little trip. |
emdee0809 18.05.2019 19:56 |
doughnut - I have a place you can stay!! Still waiting for the good news from Thor and Lee!! Hope everyone is having a great Saturday!! |
koala 18.05.2019 20:42 |
Hey everyone, hope you're having a lovely weekend :) I saw someone describe all the various Freddie books as different ways of looking at an elephant, and I love that comparison. Every person reveals a different part of themselves in different contexts and with different people - the more accounts we get, the more complete image of the man we will have. On a slightly random note: I saw a gif of Freddie right before he walks on the Wembley stage, and it really looks like he's chewing gum (link. I remember seeing a similar clip of him from the Milton Keynes concert (link. Am I just imagining it? I now it's a totally silly question, but it's fun to think about for some odd reason. |
Rainbow61 18.05.2019 21:00 |
FreddieDarling and doughnut, My Freddie Hot Space Funko Pop doll arrived today. He has now joined the rest of the gang on my kitchen counter. I looked at prices on the UK Amazon and eBay sites. Those dolls do seem to be more expensive over your way! I bought the set of 5 for $39.99 (that did not include tax + S/H) and my recent Hot Space Freddie Funko for $25.94 which did include tax + S/H). I'm not sure why Hot Space Freddie is more expensive than the others...putting some glitter on his pants and shoes does not make the doll any nicer, but I'm happy to have added him to my collection. I bought Hot Space Freddie on eBay...much less expensive than Amazon. I got the set of 5 through Big Apple Collectibles. My weekend began with some metal detecting in a corn field with my husband. Found a couple of musket balls (and a lot of nails)...mostly it is just a fun and relaxing hobby. I'm hoping to find a old harness bell someday. By the way, one of our favorite TV series is the award winning BBC comedy "The Detectorists". It's about two metal detecting friends in England. (It is not a reality TV show). It is quirky and delightful! |
Katydyd5 18.05.2019 21:12 |
Koala, I've seen both clips you mentioned and I thought he was chewing gum too. It's the only time I've noticed it, and I suppose we will never know. |
Radioblabla 18.05.2019 21:22 |
koala wrote: Hey everyone, hope you're having a lovely weekend :) I saw someone describe all the various Freddie books as different ways of looking at an elephant, and I love that comparison. Every person reveals a different part of themselves in different contexts and with different people - the more accounts we get, the more complete image of the man we will have. On a slightly random note: I saw a gif of Freddie right before he walks on the Wembley stage, and it really looks like he's chewing gum (link. I remember seeing a similar clip of him from the Milton Keynes concert (link. Am I just imagining it? I now it's a totally silly question, but it's fun to think about for some odd reason.I think it's a throat pastille. Phoebe said he used that a lot. And makes sense before a show. |
FreddieDarling 18.05.2019 22:31 |
Hi Thought the peeps of QZ might like to see Little Freddie's encounter with Birmingham Bull Ring"s bug bronze bull statue "Bully"! He's a big, solid 6.5 ton bovine and completely dwarfs my boy! Still, he wasn't "cowed" by it at all! (Ouch! I know that was BAD!!) Have a fun weekend, folks! |
FreddieDarling 18.05.2019 22:34 |
Re chewing! I reckon that Freddie was probably having a good old suck on a strepsil! I know Phoebe mentioned that Freddie sucked them before performing. |
Villiers2 18.05.2019 23:54 |
WHEW! So the live chat with Thor and Lee is now up on our Instagram page. We did have some audio issues that will be addressed during editing before it's uploaded to YouTube. Unfortunately Instagram isn't made for conference calling like Skype is but we wanted a bit of live interaction with Freddie fans during it, so I'll be working with a few people to add captions and try to fix the audio in a few places over the next few days and we're hoping to have the finished product on YouTube soon. Sorry the live wasn't promoted before, but we decided to do that to avoid any potential trolls. Again, it was loads of fun, guys. We all really appreciated you taking the time! |
mika251 19.05.2019 00:05 |
Villiers2 Thor and Lee, You were great, thank you very much! Can't wait for the book! |
The Black Queen's Kid 19.05.2019 00:05 |
Villiers, thanks so much for the broadcast. They are such wonderful guys and it's really nice of you to allow us to meet them in person. I hope we get some really good news about the book in the next couple of weeks! |
Villiers2 19.05.2019 00:18 |
And some extra good news, the audio saved without breaking up and much as we had originally thought. So the editing process will mostly just consist of me turning my voice down a bit and rasing their's so you can hear them more clearly. |
The Black Queen's Kid 19.05.2019 00:33 |
Yay! Villiers, you rock! |
Rainbow61 19.05.2019 00:41 |
Yeah...glad to hear the Thor/Lee interview took place! Look forward to seeing it on YouTube. |
emdee0809 19.05.2019 01:22 |
Villiers- thanks again for "introducing" us to Thor and Lee today. It's nice to put a voice to their printed words. It's a shame the audio was breaking up- just added stress for you - but the way I look at it- it just adds to the suspense. It gives us something to look forward to on your YouTube channel. Thor and Lee- you both look great and you certainly can hear the admiration you have for Freddie while telling your stories. Can't wait for the book- you gave us a lot of teasers!! Thanks again to everyone that made this happen!! Hope everyone enjoys the rest of the weekend!! |
Selkie 19.05.2019 01:24 |
Yeah the live was awesome!! Thanks so much Villers, Thor and Lee! |
Katydyd5 19.05.2019 01:27 |
I enjoyed the live chat today, complete with teasers about the book. It was fun to get that brief glimpse of Thor and Lee at the beginning. Too cute! |
CHEVYMAN 19.05.2019 01:52 |
Villers, You did great you seem to always know the right questions to ask I would've froze and not known what to say .I'm a little shy.Thank you for sharing with us. |
Galileo1564 19.05.2019 01:53 |
Oh I’m really looking forward to hearing this on YouTube. I don’t have an insta account. Maybe I should get one! I totally understand the decision not to promote this “live with Thor and Lee” here after the Invasion of the Trolls. |
Saint Jiub 19.05.2019 03:23 |
Villiers2 wrote: WHEW! So the live chat with Thor and Lee is now up on our Instagram page. We did have some audio issues that will be addressed during editing before it's uploaded to YouTube. Unfortunately Instagram isn't made for conference calling like Skype is but we wanted a bit of live interaction with Freddie fans during it, so I'll be working with a few people to add captions and try to fix the audio in a few places over the next few days and we're hoping to have the finished product on YouTube soon. Sorry the live wasn't promoted before, but we decided to do that to avoid any potential trolls. Again, it was loads of fun, guys. We all really appreciated you taking the time!Can someone, if possible, please provide a link to the Instagram page? Thanks. oops edit ... Nevermind ... I will wait for the Youtube video, as i do not have an Instagram account |
Galileo1564 19.05.2019 04:44 |
It’s link and it’s now private, but there is a link there to the youtube channel. |
Perk 19.05.2019 06:05 |
@thundergod *points to your pm* You’ve got mail! :)) I hope you read it and enjoy. Patience is not my best virtue but I will practice really hard I know you are busy. |
Perk 19.05.2019 06:12 |
@Villiers omg I think I spelled that way wrong. Can you label who is speaking it isn’t always clear. I absolutely loved every second. That made my whole day and I needed it! Thank you for arranging it and know that I am a fan of yours as well as Thor and Lee and honestly this whole fandom is kind and loving like the man we are fans of. Thanks for that Freddie. Still dazzling as always! I appreciate you Villiers and all the things you have done to help those of us who want to know the truth to find it! No troll will ever convince me that this isn’t a great fandom and it’s because we all love a great man! Thanks Katie. Perk (Julie) @fearlessfreddie on Instagram. |
Perk 19.05.2019 06:17 |
Ugh I can’t find the “invisible” buttons but I echo all the gratitude to Freddie, Thor, and Lee. It’s blaringly obvious Freddie had amazing taste in friends! Villiers. Thank you too I am personally a fan of yours since I stumbled upon queen memes on Instagram love @julieperk @fearlessfreddie and Julie and on here Perk! |
Perk 19.05.2019 06:22 |
As usual Freddie has impeccable taste in everything especially the people he loved. @Thor @Lee you guys are pretty damn special! Thanks so much for everything you have made this fandom even better than it was. *hugs* from this Southern US girl! I thought New Yorkers were supposed to be rude or something ;) obviously not! |
Villiers2 19.05.2019 07:10 |
Hey thanks so much! So glad everyone enjoyed the live. I did level out the audio already on the version that's going up on YouTube and I find that with them now being at a higher volume, it's easier to tell who is speaking. The one that's up on my account is a hard to hear. I may add in some captions to point out each voice in the beginning as well. So glad that the audio fix seemed to clear up quite a bit but there are still some spotty parts I'll need to caption regardless. Thanks all |
koala 19.05.2019 07:32 |
Oh wow, amazing news on a Sunday morning! Thanks for not actually giving up on the live, Villers (the same goes for Thor and Lee, of course). Can't wait to watch it once it's up on youtube :-) Also, good call on the chewing issue everyone. The strepsils hypothesis makes perfect sense. |
doughnut 19.05.2019 08:20 |
morning all Great live and so I echo everyone else and say a big thanks. Lee/thor you both look great. it was nice seeing you :) Hope you are both well and enjoying your time together. I cannot wait for your book was it koala who mentioned this, if it wasn't sorry. I have often wondered what Freddie was chewing before going on stage, I guess a throat sweet makes sense. Have a good day all (I like how some of your say y'all ) |
FreddieDarling 19.05.2019 09:20 |
sorry I missed it! :-( I will look forward to a YouTube video of it. :-) Will there be an upload of your Mary Chat ? Love your Instagram chat, BTW! Thanks for doing a Thor and Lee one. |
Annie65 19.05.2019 09:48 |
Glad to hear the live went so well....big thank you to Villiers for doing them. I’ll be catching it on YouTube....can’t wait!! |
doughnut 19.05.2019 12:21 |
i'd be interested to to listen to the mary chat too if you have it Villiers ? Freddiedarling you can listen to the live with lee/thor as it is on her story still |
FreddieDarling 19.05.2019 13:11 |
Doughnut, call me thick or a ludite, but I'm not familiar with Instagram and I don't know what that means. :-/ |
Blenkolove 19.05.2019 14:39 |
Thor, Lee and Villiers, Thank you for doing that special live for All of us!! It was so wonderful to see your faces and hear your voices.....now when I look at your book...i'll have your voices to accompany the words!........Awaiting the Big News!!! XO |
CHEVYMAN 19.05.2019 15:20 |
I dont know how to work Instagram either.I'm not internet savy. |
NotQuiteAShilling 20.05.2019 01:50 |
I loved the LIVE - a HUGE thank you to Villiers2 and of course to THOR and LEE - you guys were AWESOME! LEE my new favorite thing is "Taking a DISCO NAP" - LOLOLOL I hope Villiers can capture a screen shot of the two of you together at the beginning. You guys are too cute I can't thank you enough for doing this for us, the fans. Your stories were so wonderful. Thank you for sharing your memories of your friend with us!!!!! |
CHEVYMAN 20.05.2019 02:31 |
The live showed Thor and Lee for a minute they look really good.They both look in good health and are both very handsome. |
Perk 20.05.2019 05:41 |
Ok guys so I have taken on a truly monumental task trying to read this whole thread. Many many hours later and I’m still over 100 pages from finishing it. It’s a labor of love. I am determined and NOBODY’s GONNA STOP ME HONEY! I saw a lot of things on here that I wanted to reply to but since they were 100+ pages ago that would be nuts. I do want to bring up one of my favorite subjects. The white shorts in Montreal and what the story about them is. I recently bought the DVD and on it as an extra feature is commentary from Roger and Brian. They talk about everything basically the chest wig story is in there. The shorts are my favorite story because it’s so very Freddie at least from what I have seen. Ok, so apparently the Montreal shows were one of the rare ones they did that wasn’t on an actual “tour” They were staged because a filmmaker I guess is what you’d call him wanted to tape both nights and take it around the country in a “IMAX of the 80’s” kind of thing. There are two versions one is We Will Rock You Montreal. Apparently the director knew absolutely nothing about Queen or especially Freddie. He and the director were not friends to say the least. Brian says that actually that was the most annoyed that he’d ever seen Freddie before a show. So as we all know no Queen show is the same whether it’s in the same place two nights or not. Freddie is instinctive and he can’t reproduce step for step a show and he wouldn’t even if he could. That would be boring Darling. The director decided that he was going to shoot both nights and splice it together. Well the cameras were huge and just got in the way and Freddie was so pissed. One thing you don’t do to Freddie Mercury is tell him how to do his job. Which the director did by telling him to make the shows as similar as possible. The huge cameras hindered him moving as much as he might’ve liked. Not only that but the cameras only followed Freddie there are several times when you will here Brian’s licks on the guitar but don’t see him. They had of course rehearsed but as Brian says they weren’t the well-oiled machine they usually were on tour. They use a TON of eye contact to pick up cues they would normally have down. As I said the director wanted to splice the two nights together for his “film.” Well on the second night as Freddie was annoyed as hell he decided he was going to fuck up the director’s plans. Of course Freddie the consummate professional was still going to give his audience the best show he could SO nothing too drastic. As much as I hate that Freddie was so angry during these concerts I am thankful. Freddie’s way of screwing with the director was on one night he wore jeans the next night the famous TINY WHITE SHORTS and made it almost impossible to achieve any continuity. The final product was a disaster it was blurry they put one nights’s vocals over the other night’s footage and just cut the film up horribly. Brian says this was one of the only products of Queen they didn’t own and had no say in the finished product and that’s super rare. I don’t remember where I read exactly what Brian said about restoring it. Years later they got the film and the film bits they had cut and just left I guess in a trash bin or something but basically they were gone and there was absolutely no getting those images back. So they finally took back the film and literally had NASA scientists reconstruct it in hi def. It took months and Brian says the intricacies of the algorithms and everything it took to restore it to a video that as closely mirrored the actual concerts as possible was nuts. This coming from a man with a PHD in Astrophysics! Well the final product is amazing. And renamed Rock Montreal. But Brian and Roger say there are a couple of times where you can sense Freddie’s irritation. One is the songs are all like super super fast versions. Freddie is the one who set the pace and the other three picked up from him as Brian says his sense of rhythm and skills as a pianist are “faultless”. Brian has said this several times that Freddie was a human metronome and could play the backing tracks on the piano in perfect rhythm. Some of the songs are out of order. The security was tight that night, and not long before they had done their stadium tour in South America where we all know the fans are insanely fervent fans. They sang EVERY song in English along with Freddie and he didn’t sing but about two bars of Love of My Life and they take it and Freddie doesn’t even have to sing about 90 percent of it. Canadians are NOT as animated as those South American fans and they did sing cause I mean it’s Freddie he says sing you sing. They however were not as loud or as crazy as the South American fans. He ended up having to sing the entire song of. LOML. Brian says he’s surprised he remembered the words considering he had never had to sing it for so long on the tour. Also, security was trying very hard to keep everyone as Roger says “in their plastic seats” so when Freddie says it’s ok to move your asses around it’s ok by us. Roger says that was code for the security was too tight. They do let up after that a little. So Freddie’s pissed at the film crew and Jim Beach as well. The cameras are in his way and as Roger says. We spend the whole time trying to get the people out of the seats and the security was working super hard to keep them there. So not only are the songs super fast but there are a couple of times when Roger says his lyrics are a tiny bit questionable like controversial cussing basically under his breathe. There is audience participation cause again. It’s Freddie. But nothing like Freddie felt he could’ve gotten with more freedom. Especially in AOBTD. Where miraculously with no break Freddie appears in the white shorts. But the guys restoring it had to mess with song order which is not really a big deal but Jailhouse Rock is way too early because Freddie has his “trousers on” as Brian puts it. Jailhouse Rock was ALWAYS an encore. There are also two entire songs missing from the film that were lost. Flash and The Hero are on the CD but not the dvd. So if you wonder why Freddie was in pants most of the concert and the famous shorts at the end that is why! To fuck with the director that pissed him off he wore the shorts the second night to make it hard for them to edit the two nights together. Which was honestly a stroke of vengeful genius on Freddie’s part. Roger is funny he starts giggling during the commentary. He says the shorts always make him giggle. He said as someone else put it. Only Freddie Mercury could sing rock in those shorts and be taken seriously. So thank god for the director pissing off Freddie though I hate that for him. But THE WHITE SHORTS ARE AS ICONIC AS HIS WEMBLEY JACKET NOW and thanks to insane math and I guess other smart people stuff we get to see them in HD. Not to mention it’s one of the concerts where Freddie’s voice is in perfect shape. It is considered two of their best ever and Brian says it’s truly tragic that it can’t be reproduced exactly. Sorry it was long but it took a little explaining to tell. I hope you enjoyed the story of The Tiny White Shorts. Lol |
Freddienotfreddy 20.05.2019 08:53 |
I just wanted to add to the sea of thank yous to Villers, Thor and Lee for the live. It was terrific and gracious of you all to take the time to that for us fans! |
doughnut 20.05.2019 09:02 |
thanks Perk I do know all about the white shorts and the issue the band had over those two nights. |
Perk 20.05.2019 10:32 |
Doughnuts sorry dude I LOVVVVVVVEEEE that story. Freddie is so sassy. Sorry |
CHEVYMAN 20.05.2019 18:50 |
Perk, Doughnut may not be a dude I dont know.when you address someone here please use their screen name. |
emdee0809 20.05.2019 20:05 |
Freddie’s attire on stage was always enjoyable to view:) He had a knack of working the crowd and his fashion styles always added to the performance. |
CHEVYMAN 20.05.2019 20:33 |
Emdee, yes he did. |
Perk 20.05.2019 20:56 |
It’s slang CHEVY. it’s not about being a guy. DUDE THATS AWESOME idk why that’s a thing here where I live. It just is. |
CHEVYMAN 20.05.2019 22:00 |
Perk,Just calm down I know it's slang we just address eachother by our screen names but by all means I dont mind.Some of our members however could be up in their ages a little and not understand it is slang.Do you see what I mean we dont know that info behind who we are talking too.I just wouldn't feel comfortable addressing someone 60 or 70 as dude.I guess I'm old fashioned .I get what your saying no hard feelings . |
Selkie 20.05.2019 22:40 |
Thank you Perk for writing up the itty bitty white shorts story! I'm going to have to check that dvd out for sure. (I looooove Freddie in those shorts!) |
mika251 20.05.2019 23:19 |
Hello :) For anybody who can't wait for Rudi's book. There is a documentary called Dolezal Backstage in German with some very nice stories. I've made a brief translation again so you can watch it. link Enjoy and apologies for many mistakes in the text I hope you can go on well with it anyway. |
mika251 20.05.2019 23:35 |
here is the translation |
Annie65 21.05.2019 00:24 |
Thank you Mika....you spoil us! |
Katydyd5 21.05.2019 01:06 |
Thanks Mika! I've watched that documentary twice I think and there was enough English that I could enjoy it. It's very nice to have a translation though! |
FreddieDarling 21.05.2019 08:22 |
Thank you, Mika! You're an angel! And your multi linguistic talent puts me to shame! Rudi is such a sweet guy, and clearly loved and respected Freddie. Hi to everyone of QZ! Hope you all have a great day! |
FreddieDarling 21.05.2019 08:42 |
Hi Peeps, If there are spectacle or sunglasses wearers interested in Freddie looking after your specs, there is a lovely Freddie case available to buy. You can buy it from I Need That Gift via Amazon for £4.95 incl post, and I'm sure it must be available in other countries. It's metal, so nice and strong and with a good hinge It's also a perfect size for a Carry Case for Little Freddie's! I'm attaching a screenshot of it (it appears to be a B&W shot of Freddie at Montreux festival 1984) |
doughnut 21.05.2019 19:16 |
hey all, hope you are all well and have a good day/evening/morning....this timezone thing really throws me lol Mika thank you so much, that was a happy and sad read. Rogers comment to Rudi really played on my mind. People around Freddie must have all been praying for a miracle....life sucks sometimes. Tomorrow is hump day ....yipee |
lsg 21.05.2019 22:31 |
Villiers2 wrote: Hey thanks so much! So glad everyone enjoyed the live. I did level out the audio already on the version that's going up on YouTube and I find that with them now being at a higher volume, it's easier to tell who is speaking. The one that's up on my account is a hard to hear. I may add in some captions to point out each voice in the beginning as well. So glad that the audio fix seemed to clear up quite a bit but there are still some spotty parts I'll need to caption regardless. Thanks allVilliers2, Could you let us know here when it’s up on YouTube? Thanks for all you do! |
lsg 21.05.2019 22:41 |
mika251 wrote: here is the translationWow Mika, thank you so very much! That must have taken a lot of time, |
Dougie 4 22.05.2019 07:50 |
Thanks Mika for the translation...cheers |
FreddieDarling 22.05.2019 13:44 |
Little Jim finally arrived on a fight from China! He and Little Freddie are so happy to be reunited, bless them! Aren't they a sweet couple? |
FreddieDarling 22.05.2019 13:45 |
Flight, obviously! NOT fight! Oh, dear !! |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 18:51 |
Happy Wedmesday everyone not much posting going on here.I don"t think we should stop gathering here.We all met here.This forum connects us.So for one week why don't we all think of one positive thing about Freddie or Queen as a group and post it here.It can be something funny an accomplishment whatever you want.I challenge you to just do it. |
Rainbow61 22.05.2019 19:44 |
I love that since 2006, Queen has had the number 1 selling album of all time in the United Kingdom..."Queen Greatest Hits". I wish Freddie could have celebrated that accomplishment. Wouldn't he be "chuffed" as you say! :) (I bet many people think the Beetles have the # 1 album.) |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 20:27 |
Rainbow,Yes I would,ve guessed the Beatles for sure. |
doughnut 22.05.2019 20:43 |
I think it's amazing that Freddie was able to carry on recording music with the band right up to 6 months before his death. That shows strength and determination to make music for us all to enjoy. As he once said 'if he can put on smile on a sour face, even for 30 mins , then that made him happy |
Annie65 22.05.2019 20:58 |
I love that more than 40 years after it was a hit, Bohemian Rhapsody is being played at Proms all across America and the kids are singing to it at the top of their lungs. A true masterpiece written by a brilliant man! |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 21:30 |
Annie'Thats cool to hear that kids enjoy the music still today.He thought his music was disposable.Wouldnt he be surprised. |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 21:31 |
Doughnut" I agree Freddie'S face could briten the darkest room. |
emdee0809 22.05.2019 21:44 |
The fact that so many different people, including our own Thor and Lee, have described Freddie as kind, generous, thoughtful, and genuinely caring person. He was a rock star on stage, but a shy, good- hearted soul away from it. |
FreddieDarling 22.05.2019 22:13 |
Hi QZ Peeps! Do you know what I wish? I really, really wish the cinemas would wise up and show some Queen concerts! (I'm sure an arrangement could be made with Queen Productions re Royalties) Can you imagine watching Rainbow '74, Odeon '75, Milton Keynes Bowl, Montreal, Nepstadion, Wembley etc etc etc on a BIG screen with their fabulous sound system ?! Listening to Queen during Bohemian Rhapsody film was great, imagine how much better an entire concert at the cinema would be! God I'd love that! Honest opinions are most welcome! |
FreddieDarling 22.05.2019 22:20 |
Yes I love that Queens Greatest Hits STILL holds as the number 1 best selling album in Britain to this day! What an amazing achievement! I think"chuffed" (a favourite expression of mine!) would perfectly describe Freddie's feeling about how much Queen music is still so much part of our lives to this day. Bohemian Rhapsody is quite simply modern day Classical music! Sorry but it is! There you go! Freddie's composition of that song rivals Mozart in its utter brilliance and sheer inspirational perfection! |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 22:31 |
Emdee, I agree with you girl Freddie was one of a kind they will never be another like him ever. |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 22:33 |
Freddiedarling,Queens music has survived longer than any other bands ever they should be proud. |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 22:35 |
Freddiedarling, Queens music has survived longer than any other bands it never goes out of style they should be proud. |
Blenkolove 22.05.2019 23:32 |
Hey Y'all!!!! I Absolutely Adore the fact that every time I watch TV.......a commercial with Some Queen Song Roaring in the background appears......and Just like the child game 'punch-buggy Don't punch back!!'....the first one to recognize it stops what they're doing...and shouts Freddie Mercury!!!!!! (It's typically me...but sometimes my grandaughter Lola beats me to the punch!!!......(pun intended) <3 |
CHEVYMAN 22.05.2019 23:49 |
Blenko, That's so adorable grandchildren are so fun .They are smart too. |
Blenkolove 22.05.2019 23:55 |
Chevy, You should see my Lola sing '39 at the top of her lungs!! It's her Fave right now!.....she requests it every time she gets into my car!! And I LOVE that she loves that song!! |
CHEVYMAN 23.05.2019 02:41 |
Awe, Blenko, I bet its cute. |
emdee0809 23.05.2019 02:56 |
There's nothing like grandchildren singing Queen music- we've done our job keeping that Freddie spirit alive!! Chevyman- great idea with all these positive comments!! |
Perk 23.05.2019 04:51 |
Did anyone see the article that Adam Lambert said he didn’t want to record new music with Queen. He is probably smart enough to know Queen fans would riot. I mean the Paul Rodgers CD was a complete failure. I don’t think Roger and Brian should ever record new music using the “Queen” name. It’s one thing for Adam or whoever to sing Freddie era Queen songs but recording new without him is just plain wrong they are half of Queen. I saw that and was furious but at least Adam has some sense. |
Perk 23.05.2019 04:55 |
There isn’t one person I have ever talked to that has said they didn’t like Freddie for a real reason. There’s the homophobia crap but as far as his personality I can’t think of anyone who ever said anything like horrible about him. They can’t argue that he wasn’t talented because you can be deaf and know that! But his fellow artists, anyone who knew him has never had much bad to say. They say he could be a brat but what rockstar couldn’t! And wasn’t! |
CHEVYMAN 23.05.2019 05:10 |
Perk,I think I remember reading something about it. |
FreddieDarling 23.05.2019 07:51 |
Perk, yeah, for one I remember his brother-in-law, Roger Cooke saying in an interview in, I think 2000, that he'd never met or heard of anyone who actually KNEW Freddie personally who didn't like him! That's GOT to be a testament to the kind of man he was! |
CHEVYMAN 23.05.2019 13:24 |
Good morning, Everyone it's a lovely Thursday glad to see everybody picking their brains yesterday.It was so nice to hear from all you guys again.Today Let's look back through Qz and find a interesting question doesn't matter who's and how it was answered.Let me rephrase that question pick a positive question with a positive answer. |
doughnut 23.05.2019 18:02 |
chevyman not ignoring you . i'll come back on this one as my brain is asleep from a day at work lol |
Selkie 23.05.2019 23:39 |
So yesterday we had the Queen station playing on Pandora and Bo Rhap starts playing. Within seconds my 11 year old daughter says "This isn't Freddie Mercury!" We go and look and it was Constantine Maroulis singing. She listens for another minute and says, "nope I'm skipping this. No one can sing Bohemian Rhapsody but Freddie Mercury!" I think she is coming along nicely. |
CHEVYMAN 23.05.2019 23:49 |
Selfie, Smart girl |
Perk 24.05.2019 04:43 |
Can someone provide me the Go Fund Me for Thor and Lee link? |
Katydyd5 24.05.2019 14:46 |
Here you go Perk: link |
doughnut 24.05.2019 15:31 |
Chevyman I can't remember the exact question but these are a few favourite replies from thor: 1. When you have run out of everything else, give them wardrobe ....this was in response to Freddie's tiny white shorts. 2. When Thor and Lee first met Jim ' mama has a husband , meet Jim ' 3. When Thor told us he spotted Freddie for the first time and he was just his type. Although they didn't hit it off as lovers, they remained the best of friends and that warms my heart. With what I imagine so many hangers on in freddies life, it's nice to hear stories from a genuine friendship. |
CHEVYMAN 24.05.2019 15:39 |
Doughnut, I can see Thor checking Freddie up in the club I bet he wasnt shy.He has a very outgoing personality.If I were a dude And he hit on me I would be under the table.Hes got game.Its hard to find a one night stand that turns friendship like it did.That is very rare.Im glad Freddie met him because he had so many other great guys that accepted Freddie and became his friend.Great story ! |
FreddieDarling 24.05.2019 22:35 |
Chevy, My favourite has to be is if the rare nuggets of new Freddie information I picked up! That Delilah had a Disney animation film planned about her! How I wish it had come to fruition! Freddie would "have smiled from his arse to his elbow", indeed! At this point in his beautifully full, but too short life I want only good things to happen for him! |
thundergod 24.05.2019 22:50 |
A Publisher has been secured with a deposit. Contract to be signed on Tuesday. Thank you all for your support. It has finally happened! Thank goodness! Lee and I will still not be participating in the thread for awhile...too much to take care of. Occasional updates on the progression will be provided. |
FreddieDarling 24.05.2019 22:55 |
Thank you, Thor and Lee I am sooooo excited I could wee my pants! :-) |
rennsage 24.05.2019 23:34 |
Great news, Thor! Best of luck to you and Lee as this moves forward. I'm really looking forward to seeing the finished product. I'm sure you will both do Freddie proud! |
CHEVYMAN 24.05.2019 23:54 |
Thor and Lee, I'm so happy and proud of you guys.You did it. |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 00:11 |
Frediedarling,That makes me wanna cry .He loved his cats so.They were like his children.He did have a premature life but he did more in 45 years than some do in 80.He brought alot of joy and happiness to the world with his talent. |
Katydyd5 25.05.2019 00:20 |
Congratulations Thor and Lee! It's been a long time coming, but patience paid off. I'm excited to have the book in my collection. |
FredHg 25.05.2019 00:22 |
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emdee0809 25.05.2019 00:24 |
Congratulations Thor and Lee!! Will be anxiously awaiting the release date!! |
emdee0809 25.05.2019 00:25 |
Congratulations Thor and Lee!! Will be anxiously awaiting the release date!! |
emdee0809 25.05.2019 00:26 |
I guess that was worth posting twice!! Sorry QZ!! |
Blenkolove 25.05.2019 00:57 |
Thor and Lee, CONGRATS!!! I TOLD YOU IT WAS YOUR YEAR!!!! .......CAN'T WAIT TO ADD YOUR BOOK TO MY FREDDIE COLLECTION!!!!! ........IT'S BEEN A WILD RIDE! XOXO |
Rainbow61 25.05.2019 01:12 |
Thor and Lee, HOORAY !!!!!!!!!!! So HAPPY for this great news. Can't wait to fill that empty spot on my bookshelf. :) I know you guys have really worked hard....so glad you held fast to your vision. How cool would it be if your book came out around Freddie's birthday! |
The Black Queen's Kid 25.05.2019 01:46 |
Wonderful news! I knew you guys could do it! So proud of your efforts! We're all anxiously awaiting this book! Much love to you both! Is that too many exclamation points? Screw it! Throw in a couple more for good measure!!!!!!!!!!! |
Annie65 25.05.2019 01:54 |
Great!! Can’t wait to get it!! I know it will be really good and am anxiously awaiting all the new pictures and stories, :) |
Deedree 25.05.2019 02:19 |
Wonderful news Thor and Lee - can't wait to read it!!! |
matt z 25.05.2019 03:49 |
WOO HOOOOO! *WOOT WOOT! whichever thing you guys do, and your "happy dance" and all that. Congratulations! I'm sure you fellas busted urselves up pulling this thing together.. I'm glad it's met with a publisher and your intrepid work has worked out! After all. .. how many times have u guys done this before? ? Congratulations Thor and Lee! I'll drink this light beer in dual toast. To you guys and one other thing. I'm happy for you dudes. Sigh of relief heard round the world |
Villiers2 25.05.2019 03:59 |
Congrats Thor and Lee! We're all excited for the book to come out and to have a signed copy in our homes. Exciting news! Also an update and polite request to the individual who is annoyed that the live isn't uploaded yet: please remember that 1) I do this for free. I do what I can in my free time outside of work. Editing volume and adding captions takes time. So as I've said multiple times on multiple posts, it'll be uploaded in a week or two. And 2) Leaving rude comments about the amount of time I'm taking to upload it really rubs me the wrong way, and friend, if you want me to skip work to finish it sooner, feel free to drop me a payment in PayPal. Thanks! (The comment was not on here but the person who left it is a member here. Let's be a little more respectful of other people's lives and work obligations, huh?) |
Saint Jiub 25.05.2019 04:16 |
thundergod wrote: A Publisher has been secured with a deposit. Contract to be signed on Tuesday. Thank you all for your support. It has finally happened! Thank goodness! Lee and I will still not be participating in the thread for awhile...too much to take care of. Occasional updates on the progression will be provided.Great news for Thor and Lee ... ... and us ... |
Saint Jiub 25.05.2019 04:25 |
I was waiting with baited breath every day for the book announcement ...and for the interview on YouTube. I will breathe normally for a week or so, not concerned if or when the interview makes its way to YouTube. Perhaps I will resume hyperventilating in June in anticipation of the YouTube interview. |
lsg 25.05.2019 05:15 |
Finally! Great news Thor and Lee! Patience really did pay off. Looking forward to purchasing the book! Does anyone here know if in the Elton John movie coming out, if Freddie will be reflected in the movie (even if for a moment) since Elton and Freddie were good friends? Freddie’s death impacted him hard. |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 05:43 |
I think Elton John film out may 31st |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 05:50 |
Elton and Freddie partied alot so I would say possibly he might be portrayed in there somewhere.I knew Elton definitely wont make another film like queen productions did.So it will be a good film I think.They were good friends for a number of years so I hope he puts him in it.As long as I don't have to see Peter straker I will be fine. |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 05:55 |
Oh I don't know if anyone is into mutely cruel but they got one out on blue ray called The Dirt.It's really good.It shows warts and all |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 05:56 |
Motely Crue I meant |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 05:58 |
Crew I cant spell shit |
FreddieDarling 25.05.2019 07:00 |
Chevy, yes Freddie packed SO much into his far too brief, but dynamic life. Bless him. David Evans said it was tempting to think that Freddie knew he had to travel light as he needed to not carry excess baggage as he fitted as much as he could into his life. Something like that, anyway. I do wish that animation film had been made. At least he had that lovely Disney cell of sweet Delilah. I'm going to see Rocket Man tonight! :-) Villiers, thank you for all the hard work you do which brings such pleasure to so many. I can understand eager anticipation but not impatience of an upload! Good things come to those who wait! I'm still mega excited the boys have found a publisher a last! Well done!! You deserve every success! I will tell Little Freddie and Little Jim when they wake up! :-) BTW it's Gay Pride Day in Birmingham! Let's hear a big HURRAH for diversity and tolerance!!!!!!! Bye for now Peeps! |
doughnut 25.05.2019 08:20 |
I am so happy for you guys, you have finally done , what a relief. I cannot wait for this book to come out. Thanks for the update and we understand you can't join us here too much now but we miss you both. Rocket man came out here this week. I am keen to see it as I have heard it is very musical and really good. I love Elton. Some good ones came out of the UK aye lol Villiers just ignore them, don't let if bother you. I've come to discover that there are some strange people in this world. |
sammyfrankfreddie96 25.05.2019 10:02 |
Just checked back in on this thread...and apparently at a great time! CONGRATS THOR AND LEE <3 I cannot wait to see your efforts realized. And thank goodness as I'm running out of good Freddie books to read haha! I'm working through Peter Freestone's now and saw photos of you all together and reminded me to check in here :) To everyone who encouraged my singing of 'Queen' songs, wanted to check in here and say thank you all again for your support and comments, it was a huge confidence boost for me. I got struck down with mono a few weeks back and on the days where I had energy, I tried my hand at a few more 'Queen' tracks with some surprising results...would love to share them here in the one thread that seems to have a loving and supportive nature haha... Firstly, "Gimme the Prize", which is in my opinion the single most ridiculous vocal line ever written or sung by Queen and Freddie: link Next, "Hammer to Fall" (I did the backing vocals here too): link And finally "Breakthru": link For some reason my voice changed up a bit and I was able to sing the higher notes with a raspier sound without it hurting my voice...so I utilized that for these tracks haha. Anyway I'd always love feedback from you all in this thread, but if not thats okay too :) Hope everyone here is well <3 Take care! |
Katydyd5 25.05.2019 11:11 |
It's nice to see so many long absent faces appear here again to congratulate Thor and Lee. I suspect that when we all have our hands on the book we'll come up with some great discussions and questions about the book. It's wonderful that the guys are gifted with patience and perseverance. They will be rewarded...………...and so will we! Villiers, take your time! Your Live is simply another thing to look forward to. |
Jo T. 25.05.2019 13:59 |
Congratulations, Thor and Lee, on finally securing a publisher! We'll have more reason to celebrate either next Thanksgiving (in the U.S.) or next Xmas (for those who celebrate it)! Villiers, thank you for all you have done and continue to do. You are appreciated! |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 25.05.2019 22:01 |
Thor...what publisher? When we’re you gonna tell me? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 25.05.2019 22:01 |
Thor...what publisher? When we’re you gonna tell me? |
Lee Kathleen Nolan 25.05.2019 22:02 |
KIDDING!!!!!!! Yay! LOL |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 22:11 |
Your Funny Lee your a clown like me.Tell Mr. Coter I said Hi! |
CHEVYMAN 25.05.2019 22:26 |
Kotter I spelled that wrong damn. |
Rainbow61 26.05.2019 00:08 |
Hi Lee.., A while back you mentioned you were taking a trip to Ireland. Is that coming up soon? Must be a relief now that the book deal has happened...you can go and not have that pressing down on you! |
Katydyd5 26.05.2019 00:18 |
Nice to see you Lee. So glad you guys are moving forward. I forgot about your trip to Ireland. I hope you will share a bit about that when you return. |
emdee0809 26.05.2019 00:56 |
Hi Lee!! What great a Christmas gift to look forward to this year. Nice to hear from you!! Can't wait to see those pictures and hear about the NYC daughters:) Villiers- thanks for everything you have done. Obviously some people have nothing to do but complain- there are lots more of us on here that appreciate your efforts- hope you know that!! |
NotQuiteAShilling 26.05.2019 04:24 |
OMG CONGRATULATIONS THOR and LEE!!!!!! Your perseverance has paid off - I'm am so excited for you both and for us too! Lee you crack me up SO good to see you both here, even briefly. We adore you both Villiers we love you too and sorry someone's being pushy and rude ACK! THIS IS SO FLIPPIN' EXCITING!!!!!!!!!! |
Freddienotfreddy 26.05.2019 09:44 |
Thank you to Thor and Lee for all the time and effort you've put into getting the book published for all of us fans. Congratulations and take my money! |
koala 26.05.2019 09:51 |
Congratulations guys! I'm happy your hard work has finally paid off and I can't wait to get my hands on the book :) |
Perk 27.05.2019 02:39 |
ack! I thought I had this secret button thing down. I am still about 50 pages behind but I wanted to respond to this.....I agree with this comment however. I have known people who were attracted to both sexes. A really good example of women being completely uninteresting to Freddie is all the pics you see of him getting off the elevator or in the elevator at the roof top party after Wembley is so telling. There are naked women only covered in body paint and Freddie doesn't look twice he could give two shits.....it's obvious that it "interests" many others but if a man can have a basically naked woman right next to him and not even care....that man is GAY! lol |
queenfan09 27.05.2019 03:17 |
Congrats on securing a publisher Thor and Lee! I'm not sure if it had already been asked, but when it's published, will it be available in different formats (hardcover, softcover, Kindle)? |
Perk 27.05.2019 03:17 |
You guys know that the Magic Remixed doc was shot by Rudi Dolezal and his partner right? He was also the interviewer in the now famous Musical prostitute interview! lol I just found that out the other day. IF you watch any video and it says DORO productions that is rudi and his partner. Jim mentions them both in his book the "torpedo twins" they also shot the ONE VISION documentary and music video. The Magic Remixed thing was one of their first. |
Perk 27.05.2019 03:22 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Perk what seems to be your problemI have gotten the group page link from more than one person and when I click it says the link is broken......I'm so frustrated!!!!! Anyone know a way around this? I wanna join this sucks! |
Perk 27.05.2019 03:52 |
I DID IT AND THEY DID IT! I actually got through this entire thread! At one point I thought it was running away without me. The pages kept growing and my reading wasn't going fast enough. I don't know why Facebook is hating on me so much......whyyyyyyy!!!!! Thor and Lee, HELL YES! I donated to the GOFUNDME I didn't know we still could and get a signed book or I would have been on that FOREVER ago. Villers is my girl! She has so much knowledge she is the yoda to my padwan. I am trying to help her out a bit on lives and stuff cause she's busy. Katie tell me how I can help and I'm on it! Is anyone here the facebook whisperer? I've tried for weeks and I just don't understand! I do a search and it doesn't come up either....I wanna play in the group too! Sorry I'm whining a bit cause I'm super freaking frustrated..... THOR AND LEE YOU TWO GET YOUR BEHINDS BACK HERE! we will ask you about car trouble or flooding we can find SOMETHING Also, have we completely lost SM? I guess the haters got their way and ran him off which totally sucks because that's just what they want! hurry back...hurry back....as the song says! 90 percent of us are awesome don't let those 10 percent ruin it all for us. I would love to get more insight into GL and for all the haters is I'm a buttkisser for Thor and Lee....... BEND OVER GUYS! LOL Publisher!!! Someone wised up....now in true impatient fashion when it coming out.....NOOOOOOWWlink I share that trait with Freddie.....love you guys my Queenzone family and how we are all dysfunctional a bit just like all families :) |
CHEVYMAN 27.05.2019 13:37 |
Perk, Thor and Lee arent worried about the haters they will always be there.I imagine there will be more to come in the future this isn't their first rodeo through life.We all are just happy for them they have this new journey to begin and can keep making happy memories with this forum in remembrance of their dear friend. |
lsg 27.05.2019 16:24 |
Hi all! Has anyone in England seen “Rocketman” yet, your thoughts, and any mention of Freddie in the film since they were very good friends? |
CHEVYMAN 27.05.2019 16:40 |
Ask Freddie Darling, She has seen it maybe she has some answers. |
doughnut 27.05.2019 17:22 |
I haven't had a chance to see it yet but as Chevyman said FreddieDarling has seen it. I don't recall her mentioning seeing Freddie. As far as I can tell its getting good reviews |
lsg 27.05.2019 19:18 |
Thank you! |
lsg 27.05.2019 19:20 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Ask Freddie Darling, She has seen it maybe she has some answers.Thanks! I would think at least a nod, regarding their partying and how Elton said Freddie could out party him, and he said that was saying a lot. Also, Freddie’s passing deeply and profoundly affected Elton. It’s still worth a 3 minute scene at least. Oh well |
emdee0809 27.05.2019 19:27 |
Happy Memorial Day to all those in the US Thank you to all who served and the sacrifices that were made. Chevyman - do I remember that you served? Hats off to you if so!! A salute to all serviceman past and current!! Thor and Lee - hope you are enjoying the holiday weekend!! |
FreddieDarling 27.05.2019 22:05 |
Question folks! What is your most treasured Queen/Freddie related possession? I struggle to choose between my BIG Freddie Mercury Solo Collection, my Freddie Mercury Montreux replica statue and Little Freddies! Ooh, decisions!! |
FreddieDarling 27.05.2019 22:07 |
Sad to report Freddie doesn't even get a mention in Rocket Man ! :-( |
FreddieDarling 27.05.2019 22:07 |
Sad to report Freddie doesn't even get a mention in Rocket Man ! :-( |
CHEVYMAN 28.05.2019 00:19 |
He doesn"t mention Freddie well Queen production didn't mention him either and they clearly were good friends from very early years on.So it's his movie he can do what he pleases.I'm glad he showed him true self or as much as he was comfortable showing.The man has a beautiful talent and voice.I'm glad he is enjoying his life with his beautiful family. |
lsg 28.05.2019 02:27 |
FreddieDarling wrote: Sad to report Freddie doesn't even get a mention in Rocket Man ! :-(Ugh, it should have, they were very good friends and Freddie’s death devastated Elton john. The script writer and director should have given it a 3 to 5 minute scene at least acknowledging their friendship. It would not have taken away from Bohemian Rhapsody movie at all. But then again Bohemian didn’t mention Elton except to the reference of John Reid, and his opinion on length of song. But it was a mention. |
Jo T. 28.05.2019 03:56 |
In terms of how Freddie Mercury wasn't portrayed or mentioned in "Rocketman" (BTW, I have yet to see the movie. It doesn't come out till the 31st in my metropolis in the U.S. I erroneously believed it would open over Memorial Day weekend.) . . . . I saw Sir Elton John's 3-year farewell tour "Farewell Yellow Brick Road" 2x already, once in America's Midwest in 2018 and once @ NYC's Madison Square Garden in 2019. During both concerts, Elton promoted the Elton John AIDS Foundation and recounted sadness over of all the previous lives lost to AIDS. He never once mentioned his dear friend, Freddie Mercury, specifically by name, and I never felt it was necessary. Maybe Elton didn't want to exploit Freddie's name, esp. following the success of "Bohemian Rhapsody" by dropping his name during his concerts to promote his own AIDS foundation or have Freddie appear as himself in a cameo as a party guest or friend dying from AIDS in "Rocketman." Elton was one of the few visitors Freddie allowed in his dying days. Clearly, they were beloved friends. Perhaps Elton would prefer to relish his memories of Freddie privately. That's why he doesn't mention Freddie's name during his concerts and saw no need for Freddie to appear in his biopic, out of respect. Elton did have a say in the movie about his life. Well, that's my opinion, right or wrong. |
Jo T. 28.05.2019 04:03 |
Sorry, damn typo: "precious" lives lost to AIDS, NOT "previous" lives |
Galileo1564 28.05.2019 04:07 |
In Elton John’s book *Love is the Cure* he talks about Freddie. I haven’t read it—I’m going by the description. Congratulations Thor and Lee on your big news! I’m looking forward to your book. I’ve been hoping you would get a publisher. Yay! |
emdee0809 28.05.2019 17:58 |
The fact that Elton John is alive and well during his movie means he had the final say in everything that was portrayed in the movie. Additionally, because he wasn't mentioned in the movie does not mean Elton John treasures his friendship with Freddie any less. Many know Freddie and Elton had a very special relationship and those that don't won't expect Freddie to be referenced Freddie fans shouldn't be disappointed - it's Elton's movie, and he can reveal or not reveal whatever he wants about their friendship. No one but Elton John knows why he chose not to make mention of him. Whatever that reason was, I respect it. He was a true friend to Freddie, and I don't really need his movie to confirm that. |
CHEVYMAN 28.05.2019 20:31 |
Emdee, I agree with you on this one everyone grieves different some want to talk about it.Some just experience it put it in a box and it's a part of their past because it's to painful to relive.I think that's what fans forget when they get caught up in these films and books that are written and portrayed by people that knew Freddie they knew him they had a relationship.They weren't just fans that went to a few concerts listened to his music got an autograph .They had personal emotions connections with him for years.So it's okay by me if he didn't want to put anything about him in his movie.He had plenty of wonderful memories he didn't need to justify anything to anyone if he didn't want too. |
doughnut 29.05.2019 10:22 |
good morning from the UK Elton is Elton and has his own story to tell and an interesting one it is. Yes he did mention Freddie in his book. Elton was still going through a rough time when freddie died. |
FreddieDarling 29.05.2019 17:36 |
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FreddieDarling 29.05.2019 17:36 |
I wasn't denigrating Elton for not including Freddie in his biopic at all just responding to the question posed toward me as to whether Freddie was mentioned. :-) I have a lot of respect and admiration for Elton. |
Stwchick 29.05.2019 21:37 |
Thor: I don't know if you still read this thread but I want to say I really enjoyed reading it and learning even more about Freddie. I recently watched freddies lovers on YouTube and loved your part. I cracked up laughing. I have soooo many questions. Have a good day |
Stwchick 29.05.2019 21:45 |
I was wondering if Freddie used his signature pick up line on you? I mean the same one he used on Jim |
CHEVYMAN 29.05.2019 22:09 |
STWchick, That"s a little personal question iit"s an interesting question but kinda personal if you really wanna know you might message privately.Hit the PM button and send him a message however, he may not want to respond to something so private. |
thundergod 29.05.2019 23:26 |
Hi Stwchick, I don't mind answering that one. I approached HIM! He was very pleased with that, I found out later from Phoebe. Book work to do. Bye for awhile. |
Katydyd5 30.05.2019 01:05 |
Welcome Stwchick! Always glad to see new faces. |
emdee0809 30.05.2019 01:15 |
Nice to hear from you Thor- I see we can expect a book in 7-9 months- can't wait!! |
emdee0809 30.05.2019 01:19 |
Welcome stwchick- katydyd is right- nice to have new faces on here!! Didn't mean to ignore you !! |
matt z 30.05.2019 01:29 |
Just saw the update. The book will be ready in 7-9 months! Seems like forever but its not that long of a time. Question: Will the page offer stand on gofundme for others interested in a signed copy? I had posted in a music forum months ago and will likely refresh some memories. Now that publishing is secured, wouldn't hurt to have a few more boosts in presale. Might hurt the hands a bit.... signing those books n all ..har har :) Congrats again guys! |
NotQuiteAShilling 30.05.2019 05:10 |
Thor - I BET he was pleased!! |
CHEVYMAN 30.05.2019 05:19 |
Well, since I can't sleep I will have to say the same I bet he was too.Im a bit shy and couldnt ask the question but I did wonder thanks for answering. |
thundergod 30.05.2019 06:58 |
Matt Z (first ever responder in 2017), Anyone can still send a donation via GoFundMe... Don't worry about my hands, I will use a rubber stamp...LOL...just kidding. Bring 'em on Matt! |
emdee0809 30.05.2019 13:42 |
Thor- speaking of rubber stamps- are you considering a book signing tour when the book is released? |
Dustin Zimmerman 30.05.2019 17:55 |
Great to hear it's finally happening! Thor I know you aren't on all that often now but I was wondering how you guys are going to get the signed copies to those of us that paid the $50+. You'd need our addresses and actual names, no? |
CHEVYMAN 30.05.2019 18:07 |
Thor,It's nice to see you post some again it's been too long.I hope this finds you well.Hope you keep dropping in when you have time it's not the same without you. |
lsg 30.05.2019 18:14 |
FreddieDarling wrote: I wasn't denigrating Elton for not including Freddie in his biopic at all just responding to the question posed toward me as to whether Freddie was mentioned. :-) I have a lot of respect and admiration for Elton.Thanks Freddiedarling. No one was denigrating Elton. Not sure how anyone took it that way. I’m not saying Elton and Freddie movies had to justify their friendship as we know they were very close friends. It simply would have been nice to reference the friendship in either movie. Not that it had to. For me personally It would have been a pleasure of the senses to see. I love both artists. That’s all I was saying in the original question. Somehow it morphed into justifications, etc. |
doughnut 30.05.2019 18:57 |
can someone tell me where Thor's update is please? I can't find it. The one about it being ready in 7 to 8 months |
thundergod 30.05.2019 20:03 |
Doughnut...It is now 7-9 months and can be found under "updates" on our GoFundMe page. Title of our campaign is: freddiemercury-bk-w-50 unseen pic |
thundergod 30.05.2019 20:31 |
Dustin, As the book is still 7 months away (at the earliest) I still have plenty of time to contact GoFundMe 24/7 help line and find out how to do this. They were so helpful when I had to get a donation refunded to a donor in Finland. (the only refund ever requested after April 30th.) At this point, with the book on the way, refunds will cease. |
thundergod 30.05.2019 20:37 |
The GoFundMe site has been updated and the goal raised to $4000.00. Once the book is available Lee and I will be doing book signings, first in Southern California and then, hopefully nation-wide and ultimately, world-wide. Travel is a bit expensive. |
Rainbow61 30.05.2019 20:54 |
Hi Thor and Lee, There must be a lot of details to finalize… Looking forward to hearing whatever you can share as this process unfolds. Think of how absolutely exciting it will be the first time you get to hold the book in your hands…what a moment that will be!!! |
thundergod 30.05.2019 20:57 |
Right-on Rainbow! |
Deedree 31.05.2019 01:03 |
Thor that is so exciting! I imagine you won't be coming to Australia for book signings though - we are always too far from everything, but as you know we are certainly worth the trip. Maybe you can finally see that Tasmanian Devil that you mentioned you are wishing to see! Food for thought........ |
Perk 31.05.2019 01:09 |
@Thor does that mean you are back with us now? We know you have the book coming out and all, are you done working on it? Is it now in the "publishing" phase? We know you don't want to give away stuff in the book, but surely there are things we can talk about that aren't in there? I am super curious to know if Freddie ever wore any of his more casual stage outfits out? Like the white jeans or the superman tank top for example? Phoebe always said after a while he wore what was comfortable. I wondered if he wore those outfits out with his friends at all? Though this is the man that had four outfits for live aid so I doubt it. lol |
Perk 31.05.2019 01:10 |
Does anyone know or have you seen anything as to why all of Freddie's stage outfits had arrows on them after a while? I am dying to know it is a huge theme in all his shows in the 80's. Even a jacket made completely out of arrows! @Thor we are almost to 300 pages wow! |
Katydyd5 31.05.2019 02:15 |
I'm going to go completely off topic for just a minute here. I hope all of our US friends on QZ are safe from the terrible tornado outbreaks we have been experiencing. The flooding has been horrific too. This time of year is always active, but this has been far worse than the norm. I'm on the tail end of Tornado Alley, but so far we have been blessedly safe. Their was a huge outbreak forty miles north of here that left massive destruction. It was so bad that they had to use snowplows to get the debris off the interstates. I'm hoping no one has been affected and that you all stay safe! |
Katydyd5 31.05.2019 02:22 |
Thor, you have stopped in here more than I thought you might and it's been good to see you. I know nothing about the publishing process, but I would think you might possibly be even busier now than you have been so far. I can only imagine that you must be so jazzed to know you guys are about to be published authors. Is it real for you yet?? I'll bet that once we all have the book you will be inundated with new questions. This is going to be fun! Thanks for checking in when you can! After all this time, I don't think 7-9 months sounds bad at all. Maybe we'll have a great Christmas present! Or a lovely way to ring in the New Year. |
Selkie 31.05.2019 03:25 |
Ack! I’m so torn now and I don’t know what to do! Should I donate to the gfm to get my signed copy or wait until the book tour? I think there would be a good possibility of it coming to my area.... |
thundergod 31.05.2019 03:59 |
Selkie, I would not wait for the book signing if I were you. It may not be going full steam ahead for a while Yes, the limit has been adjusted to a $ 4000.00 goal. I think you will get the book a lot faster by using the GoFundMe site. |
thundergod 31.05.2019 04:02 |
Katydyd, you are so right. A lot of paperwork and forms to read through and fill out. We have maximal input into everything that goes into the book including page design and graphics so we will be quite busy. |
thundergod 31.05.2019 04:06 |
No Perk, I will only read and comment occasionally. The book will be the priority for at least 7 months...so that you can all get a quality and well designed Coffee Table Book. The process is long and complicated. |
thundergod 31.05.2019 04:10 |
Hey DeeDee, Maybe it's time for YOU, down-under to come on up-above.Maybe to San Diego, Palm Springs or Los Angeles...you could use a vacation.. .:-) |
flo90 31.05.2019 04:15 |
Thor: Congratulations to you and Lee. We look forward to meeting you at your first book sign in whether it is in 7 months, before or after. We are in Southern California and will be able to drive to any location; my husband, son and I will be there... look forward to meeting you and thanking you in person for sharing your memories of Freddie with us. I posted on this thread a long time ago and although I don't post at all, I truly appreciate all the updates. Thank you to everyone who contributes to this thread. |
thundergod 31.05.2019 04:18 |
Thank you flo, Your message is much appreciated. |
Selkie 31.05.2019 04:20 |
Sounds good, thank you Thor! |
NotQuiteAShilling 31.05.2019 04:58 |
Thor & Lee - know what is awesome?? Having a crappy day and then remembering that THOR AND LEE GOT A PUBLISHER and doing a happy dance!!! |
Rainbow61 31.05.2019 05:54 |
Thor and Lee...really happy to hear you have so much control over the design part of the book. Sounds like it will be challenging, yet rewarding to be involved in that creative process. Selkie...you can always order a signed copy, and then if the opportunity presents itself at a later date, go to a book signing event to say hi to Thor and Lee! |
Jo T. 31.05.2019 06:40 |
Lee and Thor, besides Southern Cal, you HAVE to have a book-signing in NYC, where it all began! Would you please consider hosting it when the weather is warm and school is out? That way, a visit to NYC can be part of a family vacation. I'd also look forward to an adults-only pub crawl in the West Village. I'll even buy you both the 1st round! How does that sound? QZ doesn't allow you to edit or delete so you can hold me to my word. It's INDELIBLE! |
thundergod 31.05.2019 09:00 |
Oh yes...New York is on the sooner than later list. I go there usually every March and July anyway. |
doughnut 31.05.2019 09:01 |
Thor i've probably missed you commenting now because of the time zone but I am happy to see you back even for short while, I have missed you. I am so over the moon for you and Lee , I actually have butterfles. How exciting and wow you will both become celebrities....I wonder what Freddie would say? I bet he has a big big big smile on his face right now :) Little Debbie is a little confused....do I donate to get a signed copy or do I wait for you to come to London .....I am assuming you will , you just have to lol. I don't really know how it all works. If you come to London I will dress up as a doughnut or little debbie so that you know its me. Please don't call security ha ha Take care Katy hope everyone is ok following your news, I hate hearing about these awful events the us seems to suffer from time to time. |
thundergod 31.05.2019 09:06 |
Doughnut, The fastest way to receive a signed copy of the book would be the GoFundMe site." freddiemercury-bk-w-50 unseen pic" The goal has been increased to $ 4000.00. You still have plenty of time. |
doughnut 31.05.2019 16:41 |
thank you Thor :) |
CHEVYMAN 31.05.2019 17:18 |
Doughnut. Are you going to see Rocket Man?Have you gotten your dress yet? Where is Freddie Darling?I have been missing her sweet little posts today. |
CHEVYMAN 31.05.2019 19:13 |
Katydyd,My whole town is underwater half the town had to evacuate.They are even talking about more rain.We have much more we will be trapped here. |
emdee0809 31.05.2019 20:11 |
Thor- Busy and exciting times ahead- couldn't be happier for you and Lee. Bringing back to life those fond memories you shared must be very special and to share them with the rest of the world is beyond exciting for all here!! |
Villiers2 31.05.2019 21:12 |
Just an update on the Thor and Lee live; it's been sitting on 95% processing on YouTube for a little over an hour now, so no clue what time today it'll actually be up but it is going up today. Their voices can now be heard loud and clear. I'll add a link to the GoFundMe page and the latest update on their book in the description box. I usually keep commenting off on my videos because I don't have a ton of time to go through and monitor troll comments, but Thor, if yall want comments open, its totally up to you. Be sure to subscribe to us on YouTube if you haven't already, so you can see it as soon as it drops tonight. link |
Deedree 31.05.2019 22:47 |
Hi Thor - now how could I refuse an invitation like that lol I was actually in California in 2013 but it might be time for a trip back.. Saving for the Montreux trip in 2021 at the moment but I shall see what I can do x |
thundergod 31.05.2019 22:54 |
DeeDee- We hope to be in Montreux in September 2020 WITH our book. |
Annie65 01.06.2019 00:42 |
Wow....glad to see you again Thor and will check out the go fund me page. Villiers2 thanks for the update....I’ll be checking out the live as soon as it’s up....I’m already subscribed. Great news all around folks! Can’t wIt for the book!!! |
Katydyd5 01.06.2019 01:43 |
Thor, I'm excited to hear that you hope to be in Montreux. What a treat that will be for everyone. Chevy, stay safe! That sounds scary. |
Perk 01.06.2019 01:48 |
@Thor What does the next 7 months entail? Is it edits and re-edits? I have no idea what a book takes. Good luck to you and Lee I thought it was just sent off for the time and sent back to you. Sorry Thor I wasn't aware it was such a big deal but I know Freddie is up there cheering you on because his time in New York with you and Lee was happy and he would want a happy book put out there about him. I think it's great! I can't wait to get my copy. I hope you stop in from time to time. You ever need anything we are all here for you. |
Rainbow61 01.06.2019 02:54 |
Thor...between finishing the book, future book signings, and maybe even a trip to Montreux, it sounds like the next year and a half will be extremely busy for you guys! You mentioned before having arthritic knuckles...maybe you can just sign the books with your first name...kind of like Cher! LOL Chevy...wow, half the town underwater...sounds frightening. Between flooding and tornadoes, so much bad weather all over. Hope everyone is okay, including the people in your neck of the woods, Katydyd. I just returned from a great concert by a group called "Dallas String Quartet". They perform all over the country playing a wide range of classical and modern music. Loved the show, especially when they played Bohemian Rhapsody, which sounds great on the violin! Will be going to see Marc Martel perform with the Boston Symphony Orchestra at Tanglewood in Massachusetts next month. Really looking forward to that show. |
CHEVYMAN 01.06.2019 03:15 |
Rainbow, I agree first name definitely.I would hate to sign my whole name I never liked my name much anyway.Its rare noone had it when I was a kid.As for the flooding I live in a small town and the one bar got swept down the river.The only thing saving us is I live on top of a mountain |
thundergod 01.06.2019 04:21 |
Sneak Peek, After my knee replacement surgery on August 21st, Lee and I will be trying to arrange a book signing tour. As travel is so expensive, we may be somewhat limited. We WILL work out a plan somehow. Maybe from the GoFundMe account. Please keep using the site for signed copies of the book. Details to be worked out with the extremely helpful GoFundMe 24/7 question and help line. They helped me before, very friendly and expediently! |
Perk 01.06.2019 09:49 |
@Thor I'm very sorry if my earlier post upset you that was never my intention. I was just joking with you. Sorry. Text can really translate things incorrectly. Again I apologize. |
thundergod 01.06.2019 11:45 |
Perk, Upset me??? Not at all. You don't have to walk on egg-shells with me! |
emdee0809 01.06.2019 12:59 |
Thor, Will the go fund me account be open until the book is published? |
Villiers2 01.06.2019 13:14 |
Here it is. Hope you guys like it 'Chat with Thor and Lee; Freddie Mercury's New York Daughters' link |
The Black Queen's Kid 01.06.2019 13:31 |
Thank you for doing this Villiers. It is so kind of you to take the time an effort to produce these wonderful pieces. |
CHEVYMAN 01.06.2019 14:47 |
Villers, Thankyou so much Your an awesome Lady. |
NotQuiteAShilling 01.06.2019 16:41 |
Villiers you did an amazing job lady!! Thor and Lee thank you sooooo much for doing this interview with Katie! Hearing your voices and seeing your faces is such a treat. Your love and respect for your dear friend absolutely and totally shines forth from both of you. Can't thank you guys enough for sharing these precious memories of your "Mother" with us! And Villiers you have my deepest respect and gratitude for such a well done production. DISCO NAP is my new favorite term |
doughnut 01.06.2019 17:19 |
thank you katie for all the hard work you put into uploading the live for everyone to enjoy. You are amazing :) Thor will you be able to come to the UK ? I really hope so :) Hello all the newbies and hello everyone else , what a lucky bunch we are :) |
emdee0809 01.06.2019 17:47 |
Villiers- thank you so much!! Thanks for not losing your patience and sticking with it!! So much work but so worth it!! Thor and Lee you look great!! It took awhile but nice you were able to pull it off!! Happpy Saturday!! |
Annie65 01.06.2019 18:14 |
Villiers , I just caught the YouTube video! Great job an d thank you so much to you, Thor, and Lee for taking the time to do that. It is so much appreciated and enjoyed! |
Perk 01.06.2019 22:02 |
thundergod wrote: No Perk, I will only read and comment occasionally. The book will be the priority for at least 7 months...so that you can all get a quality and well designed Coffee Table Book. The process is long and complicated.I was just joking before when I said for you and Lee to come back here. I had no clue that putting out a book would be so involved. I though writing it and finding a publisher was all. I apologize for being "bossy" I have a sarcastic sense of humor that really doesn't translate in text sometimes. I know you and Lee are stressed just maybe don't be a stranger drop in from time to time and if we need something urgent we can private message you? I need to go and start reading the first thread at least people aren't still posting in it so it won't be seemingly endless and impossible to finish. I conquered this one though. I just hate to bother you with repeat questions. Good luck on the book and we are always here for anything you and Lee might need. If you come to Nashville on the book tour, I'll take you to a honky tonk? If you want. Doesn't seem like you would like that much but hey don't come to the country music capitol and not get the whole experience. Also, when signing comes Idk if you guys have had to fly through Atlanta airport it's enormous so if you have a layover make sure it's long may seem like you'll sit in the airport but you won't I have had ones 2 hours long and been running to the gate! I'm sure you might have considering you fly from Cali to NYC. Idk though...the airport stops are Dallas, Houston, Atlanta. Nashville's airport isn't that bad it's getting worse we get 82 (average) people a day moving here. That adds up. Cost of living goes up too so Yay? Hope you can come through here. I found out that Queen was here on tour in 1979 but I was too busy not being born yet. I also cannot figure out where the heck they performed,I found some pics from that show online and I'm saw it was sold out but that's about it. We didn't have the same arenas and stuff we do now. It's not JUST country we have great live music of all types even death metal if you want that which I sincerely hope not but for you and Lee I'd deal. :) I also know where the 1 gay club is I've been a couple times. It's fun. I love going on Halloween for the "fashion show." It's not as backwards here as it used to be. Also, Nashville is generous with the alcohol ;), Sourthern Hospitality and all that y'all..... |
Perk 01.06.2019 22:10 |
I hear you did an awesome job with the sound and subtitles? I haven't watched it yet. I work weekends and we can't get any kind of youtube here or social media for that matter. This is technically a "website" so I guess it's excluded. Anyway, let me know if you need anything I am willing to help you with whatever. I type really fast which I'm sure you probably do too, and I can basically figure out how to do most things quickly so just let me know. If I can't do it I can usually find someone who can :) I tried to write a negative (but tasteful) review about Lesley-Ann Jones' book on Amazon, it's too highly rated and a lot of magazines etc...are using it as truth and it's annoying! Amazon denied it saying it went against their policy, though they didn't list which one. I read the policies and I can't find what they are talking about. I think they are on the take I swear. I tried? I am holding off on the youtube video till I'm off on Monday and Tuesday. :) Thanks for all you do, you know I appreciate it! |
Perk 01.06.2019 22:14 |
last post from me was for @Villiers It said it was a "reply" on the invisible buttons. I guess not. Thor I meant I know where 1 of the gay clubs here. Since more and more people are moving here we are getting much more diverse than before and we are right in the center of the Eastern US. I don't know what the draw is, but um.....okay...I guess. I have job security at least. Message and I'll tell you what my crazy job is. |
Saint Jiub 01.06.2019 22:41 |
Villiers2 wrote: Here it is. Hope you guys like it 'Chat with Thor and Lee; Freddie Mercury's New York Daughters' linkThank you Villers. Do you have a possible future in radio or television journalism? |
Perk 01.06.2019 22:57 |
Last thing I forget things and they just pop in.... 7 months from August puts the release date in March? Or is it 7 months from this month? @THOR After the Live i'm so looking forward to reading the anecdotes in the book you and Lee are hilarious. We knew already from here but the live just reinforced that and with the two of you together it will be both hilarious and detailed. You both have GOOD memories! Not that Freddie is forgettable still.....both you and Lee I have to make multiple posts because I forget what I want to ask. :/ |
thundergod 01.06.2019 23:10 |
Hey Perk, Please don't worry, we would love to come to Nashville. I was there only once before, but I liked it a lot. I got a kick out of seeing that replica of the (undamaged by time) Parthenon you guys have there. By the way, I always take JetBlue non-stops from San Diego to New York. I love this airline. Nice modern and roomie Airbus jets with individual TVs on each seat back. And a self service snack and beverage station. Beats waiting for the flight attendant to finish their rounds before getting you a Coke. |
thundergod 01.06.2019 23:25 |
Also Perk...I have always been able to "sniff-out" gay bars. I even found one on a 8 hour road trip (only about 1 hour apart, by car) from Abu Dhabi to Dubai in the U.A.E. I was just driving around the city, not knowing where I was even going and BOOM, there was a neighborhood where guys were hanging out and going into this bar (despite alcohol being forbidden for Muslims) I even met a nice and very cute Palestinian guy there. One day, I'll write a book...LOL |
CHEVYMAN 01.06.2019 23:30 |
Perk, I got your message I dont mind answering it on here.My disease was basically classified as a one time occurance caused by a reaction to a flu shot.A person has fatty coverings over their nerves and what is happening in my body is my immune system is attacking this covering leaving my nerves exposed and damaged.It is now chronic because they didnt find it in time to stop the damage to my nerves from my waist down.I take a treatment called Ivig therapy which replaces the bad antibodies my immune system makes and replaces with good ones.So the answer to your question its progressive and they cant do anything about it the treatment I get is the only approved treatment.Thanks for asking |
thundergod 01.06.2019 23:33 |
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Perk 02.06.2019 00:00 |
thundergod wrote: Hey Perk, Please don't worry, we would love to come to Nashville. I was there only once before, but I liked it a lot. I got a kick out of seeing that replica of the (undamaged by time) Parthenon you guys have there. By the way, I always take JetBlue non-stops from San Diego to New York. I love this airline. Nice modern and roomie Airbus jets with individual TVs on each seat back. And a self service snack and beverage station. Beats waiting for the flight attendant to finish their rounds before getting you a Coke.I don't know when the last time you were here was, but it's changed so much in the last 5 years that it's hard to recognize. Do you remember what you did last time you were here? Yeah that sounds awesome as far as flying. Dallas, Houston, and Atlanta are HELL! I try to get a stop over because my parents have me all worried about the blood clot thingies due to the non-room.....I have long legs but you do too you seem tall? ROOMIE??? can you check bags and are the prices best or is it you'd pay a little more for comfort (I know on some I would) The most popular Airline in the Southeast is Ironically Southwest. You get to pick your own seat it's a first come first serve type situation. I like to sit towards the front because I'm fine until I'm standing in the aisle as everyone gets off and I get claustrophobic so I have figured out I need towards the front. Not "THE FRONT" just close. Is the flight smooth? I remember flying from San Fran to Nashville and omg the turbulence we hit around chicago......lord I am not a nervous flyer but that is an infamously bad area for turbulence. |
Perk 02.06.2019 00:12 |
thundergod wrote: Also Perk...I have always been able to "sniff-out" gay bars. I even found one on a 8 hour road trip (only about 1 hour apart, by car) from Abu Dhabi to Dubai in the U.A.E. I was just driving around the city, not knowing where I was even going and BOOM, there was a neighborhood where guys were hanging out and going into this bar (despite alcohol being forbidden for Muslims) I even met a nice and very cute Palestinian guy there. One day, I'll write a book...LOLHAHAHAHA the only one I know of is Tribe....it's on, and I'm serious....CHURCH STREET....across the street from the HUSTLER store! This is a weird city I admit! I have a bff that is like that with malls....she loves to shop! My Dad is that way with the worst parts of town. So that was fun on road trips growing up hoping we would find our way out without dying! lol. if you come here you have to let me tag along....they let women in all bars here and eye candy is fun....they also serve good portions of alcohol :) I'm not the biggest drinker in the world. I did some recreational party drugs in college but I feel like I'm too old for all those shenanigans. I still drink it's just rare as I feel like I have a hangover for like a year! I remember going to raves in Atlanta which was near my university and laughing at the old people. Karma sucks so yeah, no thanks. lol This is a fun place to come but if you do let me know where you stay because some of the hotels are deceiving saying center of the city and they aren't at all! Also, you will have to have a car here we can't get our shit together to figure out public transport especially when you go through the "rich part" Belle Meade ( Al Gore lives there, unless Tipper took the house in the divorce.) In other words the $$$$ is insane. When you have all the money in a city and they want to put public transportation that goes through it you can imagine the uproar....$$$ = Power TRAFFIC IS HELL but for someone from Cali it might be nothing to you. |
thundergod 02.06.2019 00:15 |
Perk, You can pay for extra room, but although I do, to allow me to be in boarding group A the regular seats are roomie too. So no long waits trying to be in the first boarding group on Southwest. JetBlue has assigned seats and a guaranteed "boarding group A" if you purchase the "More Room" seats. No middle seats for this guy!. And no fight to find room in the overhead bins. I always travel carry-on so I don't know about luggage charges. |
Saint Jiub 02.06.2019 00:41 |
I would precaution those who expect "The Book" to be available next March. As in any industry, things do not always go according to plan. In addition, the US is near "full" employment, and it is difficult to find and retain qualified reliable people (high school diploma). Consequently, I suspect that this unnamed Publishing Company might be understaffed. Last year, I bought a statistics book that should have been available before the end of 2018. I finally received my autographed copy of the book in late March. Shit happens. Shit always happens, and I do not expect that "The Book" will be lucky enough to be published "on-time". I hope I am wrong, but I won't lose any sleep if Thor and Lee's autographed book arrives on my doorstep a few months later than expected. |
thundergod 02.06.2019 00:55 |
Well stated St. Jiub, The S.N.A.F.U. phrase does hit us at times. Thanks for alerting the QZ folk. |
Perk 02.06.2019 00:55 |
Saint Jiub wrote: I would precaution those who expect "The Book" to be available next March. As in any industry, things do not always go according to plan. In addition, the US is near "full" employment, and it is difficult to find and retain qualified reliable people (high school diploma). Consequently, I suspect that this unnamed Publishing Company might be understaffed. Last year, I bought a statistics book that should have been available before the end of 2018. I finally received my autographed copy of the book in late March. Shit happens. Shit always happens, and I do not expect that "The Book" will be lucky enough to be published "on-time". I hope I am wrong, but I won't lose any sleep if Thor and Lee's autographed book arrives on my doorstep a few months later than expected.yeah we aren't making plans I'm just curious I really want to come out there and visit Seattle I've never been and the only issue I have is room cause I'm a "bigger" girl and comfort so just picking Thor's brain since he's a frequent flier :) |
Perk 02.06.2019 01:00 |
thundergod wrote: Hey Perk, Please don't worry, we would love to come to Nashville. I was there only once before, but I liked it a lot. I got a kick out of seeing that replica of the (undamaged by time) Parthenon you guys have there. By the way, I always take JetBlue non-stops from San Diego to New York. I love this airline. Nice modern and roomie Airbus jets with individual TVs on each seat back. And a self service snack and beverage station. Beats waiting for the flight attendant to finish their rounds before getting you a Coke.btw Thor that parthenon is still there but it's always under repair ha imagine that! did you see the replica of the Stature of Athena inside it? It's awesome....though anti-climactic I have to admit. Why were you here? Do you remember? I need to google the show Queen did in Nashville in 79 I was surprised they would come here Nashville was like the stone ages back then. I am so curious where the concert was and how many went. If I find someone I will have to kill them due to jealousy. Freddie wore kick ass blue shorts and suspenders set in the pics which made me mad cause you know....not born yet. |
emdee0809 02.06.2019 01:13 |
Thor- any updates on the NYC tour?- I may be traveling there in August. |
Perk 02.06.2019 01:23 |
okay the wonders of Google my friends....I googled Queen in Nashville 1979. Actually they came in November 22, 1978 and idk where the pics I saw were but Freddie had his black PVC "YMCA" outfit with red suspenders apparently and it was at this auditorium here that is still there but it's kind of a relic now that we have a nice Arena and an NFL football team... Looks like Queen and Adam came here in 2017 and people in Nashville were craving some Freddie. I do know it had to have been sold out because they are coming here THIS AUGUST and I can't get tickets unless I wanna pay a small fortune. Like 500 dollars small ugh! I am not a person that does concerts the cheap way I rarely go so when I do, I make sure I'm close as possible. The funniest thing about the concert here was it was 7 dollars in advance and 8 at the door. SERIOUSLY? You can't even buy a coke at the Bridgestone Arena for that. Again I didn't make it in 2017 but I do remember booking some of the more disorderly people into jail cause that's what I do......FUN! |
thundergod 02.06.2019 01:28 |
Hey Emdee, Tours will be considered only after my knee surgery because I will need to walk...LOL |
Perk 02.06.2019 01:31 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Perk, I got your message I dont mind answering it on here.My disease was basically classified as a one time occurance caused by a reaction to a flu shot.A person has fatty coverings over their nerves and what is happening in my body is my immune system is attacking this covering leaving my nerves exposed and damaged.It is now chronic because they didnt find it in time to stop the damage to my nerves from my waist down.I take a treatment called Ivig therapy which replaces the bad antibodies my immune system makes and replaces with good ones.So the answer to your question its progressive and they cant do anything about it the treatment I get is the only approved treatment.Thanks for askingwow is it similar to fibromyalgia? Or at least in how it feels? Lupus runs in my family but I am always getting tested for it to make sure I don't have it....so far so good....I'm so sorry Chevy I have to have a flu shot because I work at a jail around a bunch of um.....how do I put this.....not hygenic people....I make good money NOW and my job is easy, but it didn't used to be. I used to have to fingerprint and take mugshots of EVERYONE. Came with killer benefits and a retirement pension so now I'm old adulting person I have to worry about that stuff....... It seems super scary but you get used to it and I'm safer in here than on the streets in the USA because at least by the time they get here they have been THOROUGHLY searched....any way....sorry tangent....I'm so sorry...I recently had to get a Hepatitus A shot because it was going around the Southeast yay me~! We have to get a TB test once a year too.....Chevy did they figure out what you reacted to? I'm kinda freaked honestly, but I would rather have the shot than the flu cause the one time about 3 years ago I had it I just wanted to die....it was the most horrible I've ever felt and just when I thought I was over it, it would seem to come back. I'm so sorry though about that, what a random thing. Is this something that happens often or were you just "special"? |
Perk 02.06.2019 01:37 |
I would like to add thank god cameras have improved since 1978 whoever took the very few pics there are didn't know how to focus the camera or really use the flash honestly....geesh. |
Galileo1564 02.06.2019 01:40 |
Perk—You can find info on Queen concerts at queenlive.ca Queen did not tour NA in 1979. 1978 was the tour for Jazz and 1980 was for the game. I found a Nashville date in November 1978. There’s not very much information about this concert, just a few photos, but the venu is listed. Sorry I forgot the name! In Toronto Church St. is the heart of the Gay Village, and when I grew up there the best known gay bar was the St. Charles Tavern. It’s gone now. Freddie might have gone there as it was close to where Queen played a few times. Villiers—Thank you for the live today, that was great fun! And for all who’ve heard the live—In one of the David Wigg interviews Freddie is talking about the famous “Freddie’s two lovers die” tabloid article and he says “One of them was not my lover”, clearly referring to John Murphy as everyone knows Tony Bastin was Freddie’s lover. I heard it on youtube. I think it was one of the 1987 interviews. |
Perk 02.06.2019 01:52 |
Galileo1564 wrote: Perk—You can find info on Queen concerts at queenlive.ca Queen did not tour NA in 1979. 1978 was the tour for Jazz and 1980 was for the game. I found a Nashville date in November 1978. There’s not very much information about this concert, just a few photos, but the venu is listed. Sorry I forgot the name! In Toronto Church St. is the heart of the Gay Village, and when I grew up there the best known gay bar was the St. Charles Tavern. It’s gone now. Freddie might have gone there as it was close to where Queen played a few times. Villiers—Thank you for the live today, that was great fun! And for all who’ve heard the live—In one of the David Wigg interviews Freddie is talking about the famous “Freddie’s two lovers die” tabloid article and he says “One of them was not my lover”, clearly referring to John Murphy as everyone knows Tony Bastin was Freddie’s lover. I heard it on youtube. I think it was one of the 1987 interviews.Yeah Galileo I found it too it was at the Municipal Auditorium. It was just "The Auditorium" back then. I found the setlist too and there were a couple of songs I don't think I've even ever heard. Yes I found a few very blurry and dark pics, the person who took them must have been a Deaky and Brian fan cause there are about 3 of them and maybe 3 or 4 of Freddie....That's what I was talking about. Queen+AL is coming THIS AUGUST and the tickets are super expensive. I found ticket stubs from back then and it cost a whopping 8 dollars and I think that auditorium only held maybe 6,000 people when now we have one that holes like 20,000, a little less during Pro Hockey games. We also have a state-of the-art NFL football stadium that holds a lot I have no clue how many....we've had the Titans here for like 10 years. Thor is right there is a life size replica of the Parthenon here, all of us natives forget it's there, Who needs Greece you can just come to Nashvegas baby! lol |
Galileo1564 02.06.2019 02:13 |
Perk, if you want to, let us know the names of the songs from the set list that you haven’t heard. There are people on QZ who know every song ever performed by Queen. |
Perk 02.06.2019 02:15 |
@Galileo If You Can't Beat Them and Dreamer's Ball. Many will be jealous they sand '39 here....stupid not born yetness! Here's the only pic of Freddie I could find that was semi decent (I think I have an example of a horrible one and a good one) I may have them switched link link link Is Freddie even IN the third pic? there is a hilarious one of Roger who looks like he stuck his hand in a light socket (Can anyone tell I'm bored at work?) |
Catus 02.06.2019 02:25 |
Hi Thor and Lee, Thanks for the heads-up, I was so happy to see that things are progressing with the book! Sorry I wasn't around here for a while - been very busy and not too well - but now I am back! And I am excited to see your interview, thank you so much for doing it! And thank you Villiers for organizing it! |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 02:28 |
Perk,They dont really know for sure they just said y gbs was more than likely caused by the fact I had a flu shot 3 weeks before my first onset symptom which was weakness and numbness in feet that moved up to my neck and went to my lungs I dont remember anything after that.I now have a chronic form of that disease called cidp.Its really rare you can Google it.Lupus is much easier to treat. |
Galileo1564 02.06.2019 02:43 |
dear Perk, go where I sent you, queenlive.ca. there are links to some professional photos of Freddie there from this Nashville concert. Dreamer’s Ball and If You Can’t Beat Them are album tracks from Jazz. Easy to find on your streaming service and if you don’t have one I think every Queen album track is on youtube. |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 02:47 |
perk,I'm just one of the very special people that get this .I think its 2 in 100 people.I think you asked me this didnt you?Well guess I cant drink as much as I used too either becoming a light weight. |
Perk 02.06.2019 02:47 |
okay this was taken at the 1978 concert....is this person on the stage? Even though the quality sucks can you see how close they are and there wasn't like great zoom back in the stone ages.... link |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 02:48 |
2 in 100 thousand shit I do need to stop sorry. |
Perk 02.06.2019 02:48 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Perk,They dont really know for sure they just said y gbs was more than likely caused by the fact I had a flu shot 3 weeks before my first onset symptom which was weakness and numbness in feet that moved up to my neck and went to my lungs I dont remember anything after that.I now have a chronic form of that disease called cidp.Its really rare you can Google it.Lupus is much easier to treat.What is y gbs? |
emdee0809 02.06.2019 02:48 |
Thor -thanks - many of my friends have had knee replacements- even my 91 year old neighbor- bless her sole- all doing great- you'll be ready to walk those NY streets in no time!! |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 02:53 |
Yes that was way back then but still really good quality..Wow they sure were young just babies.Roger looks so much like a girl in those days. |
Deedree 02.06.2019 02:56 |
Thor......amazing news that you might be at Montreux in 2020 with the book! Might have to move my travel plans forward now lol. Will shout you guys a drink at the bar wherever it may be ;-) |
Perk 02.06.2019 02:58 |
Galileo1564 wrote: dear Perk, go where I sent you, queenlive.ca. there are links to some professional photos of Freddie there from this Nashville concert. Dreamer’s Ball and If You Can’t Beat Them are album tracks from Jazz. Easy to find on your streaming service and if you don’t have one I think every Queen album track is on youtube.I have HEARD OF the songs just haven't really paid attention to them...I will find them on spotify as soon as I can get to my phone. I can't pull up the website you gave me at work...hence the boredom that is slowly killing me...lol if you link a pic to me that would be cool! Queen tours more than anyone they have 35 concerts in 1978 and in 1980 they did 44 concerts....NO ONE does that many anymore....I think the most is like 20 geez another reason to love Freddie....along with the millions of others. |
Perk 02.06.2019 02:59 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: 2 in 100 thousand shit I do need to stop sorry.I was gonna say um...that's not that rare.... |
Perk 02.06.2019 03:00 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Perk,They dont really know for sure they just said y gbs was more than likely caused by the fact I had a flu shot 3 weeks before my first onset symptom which was weakness and numbness in feet that moved up to my neck and went to my lungs I dont remember anything after that.I now have a chronic form of that disease called cidp.Its really rare you can Google it.Lupus is much easier to treat.What is y bs in the first line? |
Perk 02.06.2019 03:03 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Yes that was way back then but still really good quality..Wow they sure were young just babies.Roger looks so much like a girl in those days.good quality? seriously? and yes babies the funniest is Deaky in the pink vest....he looks like he just came from a wedding. That's "GOOD QUALITY" what is bad quality? Are you talking about my links or the pics that Galileo talks about? Those are good quality....really? |
Galileo1564 02.06.2019 03:08 |
Perk—The problem is that GBS is also associated with the flu itself, as well as with the vaccine. I say “associated with” because I don’t know if a causal connection has been proven. The images are all at gettyimages.ca, and I’m guessing that work won’t let you link to websites from other countries. I guess you’ll have to wait until you get home. Also check out the Live Killers version of Dreamer’s Ball. I really like that one. |
Perk 02.06.2019 03:08 |
Deedree wrote: Thor......amazing news that you might be at Montreux in 2020 with the book! Might have to move my travel plans forward now lol. Will shout you guys a drink at the bar wherever it may be ;-)WELCOME! we are a big dysfunctional famly....Thor is basically the most patient person I've ever seen.....for him to do this forum for as long as he has....wow.....welcome to our fun...on the OLDEST coded site that exists lol..... Don't be scared and Thor apparently has a ton of stuff to do on the book I am completely ignorant of the publishing process.....I thought you write it find a publisher and voila! I was apparently very very wrong! I wanna take bets as to how long it will take before Lee's pics are leaked? I hate that about the internet....nothing is sacred....though I'm happy too....because I love me some Freddie.... |
Perk 02.06.2019 03:20 |
This link is why i HATE living in the South USA how stupid....this paper doesn't exist anymore for obvious reasons link |
Perk 02.06.2019 03:47 |
Galileo1564 wrote: Perk—The problem is that GBS is also associated with the flu itself, as well as with the vaccine. I say “associated with” because I don’t know if a causal connection has been proven. The images are all at gettyimages.ca, and I’m guessing that work won’t let you link to websites from other countries. I guess you’ll have to wait until you get home. Also check out the Live Killers version of Dreamer’s Ball. I really like that one.What is GBS???? |
Galileo1564 02.06.2019 03:49 |
link There you go Perk. Let me know if this works. (Although I’m running off now.) |
Galileo1564 02.06.2019 03:50 |
Guillain-Barre Syndrome. What Chevy sadly has. |
Catus 02.06.2019 04:06 |
Hi Villiers, bravo, what a great conversation with Thor and Lee! I have enjoyed it so much, the pace, the tone, the choice of topics - everything felt so great and emotional. Loved the visuals too, I can imagine how much time and effort it took to put them all together. And Thor and Lee, it was so wonderful to see you both! Your stories are so amazing, and I am looking forward to seeing your book published! |
Jo T. 02.06.2019 05:56 |
Yes, Villiers, brava! Thank you, thank you for your hard work GRATIS on the IG live. Lee and Thor, it was great to see/hear you both. Lee, you are suave and debonair. You’ve got swag. Thor, I like your L dimple. I bet your facial expressions drew smiles from dying pediatric oncology patients and brightened their days in the hospital. I bet the parents adored you, too. IF you guys host a NYC book-signing, Lee, would you be prepared to belt out showtunes for us @ Marie’s? Do you take requests ahead of time, to allow you time to rehearse? Thor, have you seen “Rocketman” yet? Do you believe the movie accurately portrayed what you referred to as Elton John’s “blue period” as relayed to you by Freddie or was it underplayed in the movie? It's a testament to you both that the thread is approaching 300 (OMG) pages! |
doughnut 02.06.2019 08:05 |
Thor I have just one question but think it may have been lost in all of Perks posts lol. Will you try to visit the UK on your tour ? |
Katydyd5 02.06.2019 11:41 |
Catus, it's nice to see you again! I hope you can stick around. |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 12:41 |
Yes cactus nice to here from you. |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.06.2019 16:46 |
Yes Jo T! I was also going to ask about doing a signing at Marie's Crisis in NY! Thor - what do you say? Catus - so nice to see you here again I am worried about what is going on with Villiers and if there was a backlash on the interview?? She disabled comments for the video on YouTube and now her Instagram page is missing??? Anyone have any info?? |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.06.2019 16:50 |
Jo T - Also in complete agreement on our gorgeous NY daughters in the interview! Swoon... If only I was a gay man so I could swoop you both up |
Catus 02.06.2019 17:17 |
It's nice to see you guys too! I missed you all. Hope everything is well with Villiers! |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 17:49 |
Jt I have to agree with you Thor and Lee are handsome fellas.I saw the dimple You are talking about I got them too.They can be a nice asset when necessary.By the way I have been missing our late night visits hit me up you know I'm up all hours. |
doughnut 02.06.2019 19:05 |
villiers hope all ok as I too have seen your IG account is missing xxx |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 19:29 |
Villers, I try to stay off insta but I noticed the same thing. |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 19:39 |
Shilling,You naughty Naughty girl You.I can see you chasing them around the room .I get the part about being a man the guys dont know how lucky they are .I would have a problem No facial hair how the hell would I grow it.You are so funny.I think I will recruit some men for here we have too many women and not enough men. |
Villiers2 02.06.2019 20:25 |
I'm fine guys, I originally thought I'd take a break from social media, but now I think I'd rather make it permanent. I won't be opening my Instagram again, and I won't be involved with the fandom anymore but I look forward to Thor and Lee's book in the future. Take care everyone! |
thundergod 02.06.2019 21:00 |
Oh no Villiers! But I do understand that it gets to be too much some times. I know a certain town in Texas that Lee and I would love to have a book signing in. And by the way, London is certainly on the list as well. I will miss you Villiers. Please feel free to contact me any time at my e-mail address. You are a friend of mine...and I hate to lose friends of your caliber! |
NotQuiteAShilling 02.06.2019 22:20 |
WHAT?!?!?! Villiers I am so upset to hear this. I hope you are ok. I am here if you want or need to talk. WOW....just wow |
CHEVYMAN 02.06.2019 23:17 |
Villers, I'm sure you are okay but I'm sad to see you go permanently too. |
thundergod 03.06.2019 00:38 |
Hey, NotQuiteAShilling, , I would absolutely LOVE to do a book signing at Marie's Crisis. Great idea...I got my start there and I love it as a visitor. |
Perk 03.06.2019 00:40 |
doughnut wrote: Thor I have just one question but think it may have been lost in all of Perks posts lol. Will you try to visit the UK on your tour ?Sorry doughnut...the answer was in his last post somewhere in between mine :( I was super BORED at work lol sorry! |
emdee0809 03.06.2019 00:42 |
Villiers- even though you probably won't see this I would like to add my sadness in seeing you leave. Hope all is well and thanks for sharing all your knowledge about Freddie. I have learned a lot from you. Thor- thanks for sticking with us here- social media can be good and bad. Hopefully more good than bad for you. |
NotQuiteAShilling 03.06.2019 02:28 |
Thor - that would be fantastic! I would make that trip and I think a lot of others on here would too |
NotQuiteAShilling 03.06.2019 02:32 |
Maybe we could even do a mini-New York Daughters tour. You could give us little maps to your old haunts. That would be so cool! |
lsg 03.06.2019 03:09 |
Perk wrote: @Galileo If You Can't Beat Them and Dreamer's Ball. Many will be jealous they sand '39 here....stupid not born yetness! Here's the only pic of Freddie I could find that was semi decent (I think I have an example of a horrible one and a good one) I may have them switched link link link Is Freddie even IN the third pic? there is a hilarious one of Roger who looks like he stuck his hand in a light socket (Can anyone tell I'm bored at work?)Hahahaha! I do the same at work! Even when I’m too busy, I get grounded reading this thread. I will tell you the website queenlive.ca ( Canadian) is an absolute encyclopedia year by year on Queen with all the stories and photos for each concert, each month of each year in every country. Particularly the description of the Munich Germany June 28, 1986 concert. So I looked up the concert on YouTube by the date and, right before Lap of the Gods, he was pretty angry, kinda took it out on the band and the audience. link |
lsg 03.06.2019 03:13 |
Villiers, thank YOU! Just saw your vid on YouTube. Thor and Lee congratulations! I assume we have to scan and upload gofundme receipts to you and/or Lee? Since they removed the info? Also, is it just because you achieved your initial goal prior to setting a new limit? Or will they hang onto the new set of donors? Thanks |
lsg 03.06.2019 03:21 |
Villiers2 wrote: I'm fine guys, I originally thought I'd take a break from social media, but now I think I'd rather make it permanent. I won't be opening my Instagram again, and I won't be involved with the fandom anymore but I look forward to Thor and Lee's book in the future. Take care everyone!Villiers, take the break you discussed, see if permanent is what you need, you are VERY appreciated here! |
Helga_21 03.06.2019 06:05 |
Hi there! 've been reading silently this thread. Thor and Lee look forward to the release of your book, good luck to you in this way!! Villers, just a little more support from me, your input is very important and appreciated!! Haters and their methods are terrible, I hope you're okay. |
CHEVYMAN 03.06.2019 07:51 |
Good morning all it's 2:47 am and welcome to you helga to the thread. |
doughnut 03.06.2019 11:30 |
take care Villiers. Hello to everyone, hope all is well . |
FreddieDarling 03.06.2019 13:42 |
Viliers, I want to start off by thanking you for that wonderful Live Chat you did with Thor and Lee, which I finally watched yesterday. It was thoroughly enjoyable and it was lovely to hear Thor and Lee speak so fondly of their times together with Freddie. You are a wonderful interviewer, Villiers. You strike just the right balance of good manners and inquisitiveness. Thor and Lee, what a lovely looking couple of fellers you still are! I guess good genetics is something that stays with you. It was lovely to see you! I am so sorry to hear that you are now 'retiring' from the fan scene. You will be sorely missed by many of us. If you decide you might like to 'come back' in whatever capacity you would be most war!Lt welcomed back, and I do hope that you do pop in to read and maybe input the odd post on Thor's and Lee's lovely QZ Thread! Whatever you do, Villiers, good luck to you and thank you so very much for your hard work bringing us your Freddie chats and your input into this thread. Take Care and Kind Regards FreddieDarling |
doughnut 03.06.2019 15:30 |
This is a question for those of you who follow this thread and know Brian Yet again he had been a bit of an arse on his IG page . If you have seen this which I am sure you have, what are you thoughts. To me it disappointing for someone with such a high profile to call someone out |
CHEVYMAN 03.06.2019 16:23 |
Doughnut; The guy Is an absolute genius but he just doesnt think anyone's view point is important as his is.To me he kinda likes to be in the spotlight and he doesnt like any of the fans input on his comments or questions.This isn't the first time this has happened.I Dont think the fans input were important to him as they were to Freddie and I think that's what the fans are used too.So without bashing him which I dont and wont do that's my opinion. |
Galileo1564 03.06.2019 17:55 |
I don’t follow Brian or anyone on Insta. So I don’t know what the issue is. Doughnut maybe you can provide a link or more info? You have me curious now. |
CHEVYMAN 03.06.2019 18:26 |
Another follower was trying to help answer a question about Brian's 3- D stuff that he does .So he was explaining the process to another follower on Brian's insta and Brian was rude and told his follower not to comment and answer questions on his instagram. |
CHEVYMAN 03.06.2019 18:42 |
Galileo, It's Brian May's Instagram from queen that Doughnuts talking about. |
Galileo1564 03.06.2019 19:00 |
OK thanks Chevy. I can see the 3D pics on Brian’s Insta, but there are too many comments to find the relevant ones. So I don’t have an opinion not seeing the actual comments. Any technical explanations I’ve heard from Brian have been brilliant, so I sympathize with him not wanting people jumping in and answering questions addressed to him. If that’s what happened. |
Galileo1564 03.06.2019 19:08 |
What I’m trying to say is without seeing the actual comments I can see both sides of it. Brian not wanting fans answering questions addressed to him, and fans not liking being called out and spoken to rudely. |
thundergod 03.06.2019 19:18 |
New donors are certainly welcome. GoFundMe explains a way to send your name and full address to me. I think it is a few pages back where I shared their message to me. It is very easy. Many have used this system already, but there is, actually, no rush...7 to 9 months is a long time. I do have a special file created to hold all of this important information safely. |
Katydyd5 03.06.2019 19:23 |
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CHEVYMAN 03.06.2019 23:41 |
Galileo, I understand what you are saying and I didn"t want to offend anyone but explain what Doughnut was talking about.I'm thinking about deleting my account not much use for it. |
Galileo1564 03.06.2019 23:58 |
Chevy—I’m not in the least offended. If you disagree, no problem. |
Saint Jiub 04.06.2019 02:01 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Another follower was trying to help answer a question about Brian's 3- D stuff that he does .So he was explaining the process to another follower on Brian's insta and Brian was rude and told his follower not to comment and answer questions on his instagram.This is not Brian's only rude "misadventure" on Instagram ... link |
FreddieDarling 04.06.2019 07:54 |
Katydyd5, your post was blank, my friend. :-) Can you repost? |
CHEVYMAN 04.06.2019 10:42 |
Katydyd, Your post was blank for what ever reason cann you repost. |
Katydyd5 04.06.2019 11:00 |
LOL, I was hoping no one would notice that blank post. I had asked a question about the GFM page, figured out the answer on my own, and deleted the post. Unfortunately you can edit or delete a post, but it still leaves the box. Thanks for asking! |
CHEVYMAN 04.06.2019 11:14 |
Katydyd, I and Freddie Darling were curious about that you had something to say .You know women we are all nosey.Have a good one! |
mika251 04.06.2019 12:51 |
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FreddieDarling 04.06.2019 13:24 |
Mika! You don't fool us! You kidder! :-D Nice to "sort of" hear from you anyway Katy! :-) |
CHEVYMAN 04.06.2019 13:58 |
Hello Mika |
doughnut 04.06.2019 15:17 |
thanks for any comments regarding my Brian post. Gaillo (sorry if spelt wrong ) someone asked Brian the difference between cross-eyes view and parallel view. Considering his account is open to the public who are able to comment as they wish , Brian needs to remember who buys his books and goes to his concerts because he seems to have forgotten from time to time. Sorry if this is harsh but its my point of view. The poor person who thought they were helping Brain got a rather stern reply Dear Pal - please stop answering questions on my comments page !! Thanks! Bri It turns out the person has autism and he said he just got excited and thought he would help seeing as Brain cannot answer every fan question. He also felt the need to apologise to many people on Brian's account but really he had nothing to apologise for. I am very passionate about how people behave on social media , having a teenage daughter I've seen people hide behind their devices being rude and bullying people to the extend of taking their own lives. In his position he should think about the bigger picture and perhaps t hink before he types. Yes it isn't the first time he has done it, he drove one poor girl off of social media following another uncalled for outburst. I just feel very disappointed with him On another note..I would highly recommend we are careful what we say on here going forwards because screenshots are being taken and used to slander Jim Hutton and also the lovely Villiers. After what I saw today I can't blame her for leaving. Hendrix are whatever your name is , I know you will read this , you really need hospital help. rant over and I apologise to everyone else as I hate to behave this way on here but needs must. :) |
CHEVYMAN 04.06.2019 15:43 |
On that note I have had plenty of attacking myself but The best thing to do is ignore them.If A person in my opinion has nothing nice to say say nothing at all.I believe we all here are used to each others personalities so we have kind of learned how to discuss things and difficult topics and move on thank God.So nothing or noone else's negativity really matters.On the other hand you dont have to engage in negativity but you shouldnt let someone run you down stand your ground and stay firm and cosistent.Thats my take on this subject.no arguing peace out people. |
doughnut 04.06.2019 17:31 |
chevyman I am back in my bubble now...floating along in my own world lol |
Liona 04.06.2019 17:38 |
Actually the smart guy who gave the reply in Brian's IG turned to be a girl))). I hope Brian did read this information also. What impressed me was the quantity of "likes" for his angry post, another chance to see how many stupid people around are ready to eat someone without any reason. They are stupid or just coward ( or both) to dare voice their own opinion ( though I still a little doubt if they have their opinion). Special "thank you" for Dougnut for drawn our attention to this situation, because I was able to give my support to this girl ( God, who had to appologize for nothing!) So, when I have seen the quantity of my pages in IG decreased I was sure Brian has read my message as well. :D That's how I knew Katie's page has gone. Katie, there are a lot of insane people around, I still don't know how to cope with this.. All the ways I know are against the law..:D. So I'm in my searching still. The only thing I know for sure -you don't have to give up something you love because of them. |
CHEVYMAN 04.06.2019 17:46 |
Doughnut, That's sounds like a nice boring place to be.I had a bubble at Toyota where I worked I could shut the door and tune everybody out.Its nice to hide away even if it's just for 10 minutes it's the best 10 minutes you will ever have.Good for stress and anxiety.We need to have a damn party here what is wrong with these folks .Hello is there anybody out there?Sounds like a good day for a bloody mary.Later. |
CHEVYMAN 04.06.2019 17:55 |
Liona I agree with you on many points you cant back away and not stand your ground with people.You dont actually have to say anything at all to get your point across that something is yours and your not going anywhere a persons presence speaks volumes without saying a word. |
emdee0809 04.06.2019 18:15 |
Doughnut - thank you for making me aware of the situation . Chevyman- agreed- we all just want to get along and enjoy the fact that Thor and Lee are patient enough to answer our questions. |
CHEVYMAN 04.06.2019 19:04 |
Emdee,You are correct I wast apart of this in the beginning when it was created but I have read back and watch this forum grow into what it is now.Everyone that posted seemed full of energy and happy to be here.I dont think that should change.Theire are always gonna be negativity but it just comes in and disappears it has no place here.So I think we all are all big boys and girls we can handle it.See you in the mad house tonight. |
mika251 05.06.2019 19:20 |
Hello Thor! I hope you are perfectly happy with your current situation and the book going to be published. I look forward to it a lot! Once you'll have a minute, could you please have a look on attached pic? It's Freddie in his London appartment with a guy und our little FB community isn't able to identiy him. We thought, maybe you could help us? Thanks a lot in advance! |
thundergod 05.06.2019 19:51 |
Hi Mika, I might be completely wrong, but he has a resemblance to a younger David Hodo from the Village People, they were friends in New York, and I'm sure David had been to London, perhaps in 1979 as Freddie's "new look" started about then. I only met David when he was a little bit older, probably in 1982 through1983. By the way, the Village People had lost a lot of their fan base after the :"Disco is Dead" fiasco here in the states,.circa 1981. That is the best that I could come up with. Sorry if I am completely off base. |
thundergod 05.06.2019 19:57 |
Picture of David Hodo: ttps://link |
thundergod 05.06.2019 20:01 |
Well, THAT did not work. But just Google David Hodo and you will see a few pictures that look similar to the man with Freddie in the picture. |
mika251 05.06.2019 20:18 |
thundergod wrote: Well, THAT did not work. But just Google David Hodo and you will see a few pictures that look similar to the man with Freddie in the picture.Thank you a lot Thor! I can't be sure if it really is David Hodo but I appreciate really you have answered so fast :) We will investigate it further :) Have a nice day! |
Perk 05.06.2019 21:43 |
doughnut wrote: thanks for any comments regarding my Brian post. Gaillo (sorry if spelt wrong ) someone asked Brian the difference between cross-eyes view and parallel view. Considering his account is open to the public who are able to comment as they wish , Brian needs to remember who buys his books and goes to his concerts because he seems to have forgotten from time to time. Sorry if this is harsh but its my point of view. The poor person who thought they were helping Brain got a rather stern reply Dear Pal - please stop answering questions on my comments page !! Thanks! Bri It turns out the person has autism and he said he just got excited and thought he would help seeing as Brain cannot answer every fan question. He also felt the need to apologise to many people on Brian's account but really he had nothing to apologise for. I am very passionate about how people behave on social media , having a teenage daughter I've seen people hide behind their devices being rude and bullying people to the extend of taking their own lives. In his position he should think about the bigger picture and perhaps t hink before he types. Yes it isn't the first time he has done it, he drove one poor girl off of social media following another uncalled for outburst. I just feel very disappointed with him On another note..I would highly recommend we are careful what we say on here going forwards because screenshots are being taken and used to slander Jim Hutton and also the lovely Villiers. After what I saw today I can't blame her for leaving. Hendrix are whatever your name is , I know you will read this , you really need hospital help. rant over and I apologise to everyone else as I hate to behave this way on here but needs must. :)doughnut, I too have heard rumors of Villers being blasted completely unwarranted. Some of the people who do it can have all the damn evidence in the world and still not believe the truth. I certainly don't want these people on a jury any time soon. This person has attacked people with FIRST HAND knowledge of Freddie who knew him or were there after his death. The gall of these people to question someone who was a friend of Freddie's! These people are cowards who would never have the guts to say anything in person but hiding behind a keyboard they can. That one person I won't even say her name she doesn't deserve that, is sad and has nothing better to do than sit home all day and dispute things that have solid evidence to back them up. I just block her I can't stand that. No one like that is worth my precious time. These people realize that hate is like swallowing poison and expecting the other person to die. It makes no difference to anyone but you. If she wants to screen shot crap from here fine. I am not ashamed of one word I type. Life is too short to let ignorant and stupid people there are far more stupid ones online than there are smart ones. :( Oh well that's all I'll say but I wish QZ had a block button. |
CHEVYMAN 05.06.2019 22:31 |
Perk, unfortunately QZ doesnt have a block button.We could have used it a long time ago or could we have.I dont think blocking these Fuck faces is the answer you cant let them bully you and run you life.Asswholes are always gonna be asswholes you just have to not engage with them which is at times hard to do.These dick heads harass me one time and I send those bitches packing and believe me news travels I dont have much trouble with them.They feed on fear and arguing.So it might be a good Idea for you from this day forward to PM anything to do with this subject or subjects to the proper person your addressing they dont deserve any mention on this thread. |
Perk 05.06.2019 23:13 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Perk, unfortunately QZ doesnt have a block button.We could have used it a long time ago or could we have.I dont think blocking these Fuck faces is the answer you cant let them bully you and run you life.Asswholes are always gonna be asswholes you just have to not engage with them which is at times hard to do.These dick heads harass me one time and I send those bitches packing and believe me news travels I dont have much trouble with them.They feed on fear and arguing.So it might be a good Idea for you from this day forward to PM anything to do with this subject or subjects to the proper person your addressing they dont deserve any mention on this thread.Wise words sister!!!! Thanks! |
CHEVYMAN 06.06.2019 19:20 |
Perk,Your welcome Its always nice when people are Polite and curtious to everyone that posts here.You always seem very nice and have an upbeat personality.You said you were employed at a jail and had to take a flu shot.Do you work with inmates?I have heard that jails are nasty places they would have to put me in a rubber suit before I would go in.Im a bit of a germ freak. |
FreddieDarling 07.06.2019 07:22 |
Hi I thought I'd let the non-German speaking (reading ?) thread members know that I sent Rudi Dokezal a question via Messenger asking if he will be releasing his Freddie Mercury book in English. Fingers crossed. I'll let you know if I get a reply. Have a good Friday. :-) |
FreddieDarling 07.06.2019 07:23 |
*Dolezal |
Katydyd5 07.06.2019 11:56 |
FreddieDarling, I'll be interested to hear if you get a reply. While I feel certain it will be released in English, I hope he replies AND gives you a release date. I can't imagine he'd release only in German because the audience would be so limited. |
stevendabudgie 07.06.2019 12:42 |
Time to start learning German! ;) Even your current president has German roots... :D link |
Katydyd5 07.06.2019 12:55 |
LOL Steven! Actually my roots are German, but I don't speak the language at all. In fact, I just found a wonderful old childrens' book written in German that belonged to my grandmother that I'm donating to the German language teacher at the high school. Rudi is going to have to go English for me. |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 14:47 |
I think Freddie said in a interview he knew some cuss words in German.Out of all the words to learn and he learns the cuss words that's funny.He was one of a kind.I think he had a boyfriend while he was in Germany how did they communicate?makes me wonder how deep was their love . |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 14:47 |
I think Freddie said in a interview he knew some cuss words in German.Out of all the words to learn and he learns the cuss words that's funny.He was one of a kind.I think he had a boyfriend while he was in Germany how did they communicate?makes me wonder how deep was their love . |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 14:47 |
I think Freddie said in a interview he knew some cuss words in German.Out of all the words to learn and he learns the cuss words that's funny.He was one of a kind.I think he had a boyfriend while he was in Germany how did they communicate?makes me wonder how deep was their love . |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 14:52 |
And yes I know I posted this three times but you only hot to read it once. |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 14:55 |
I meant have to read. |
doughnut 07.06.2019 16:12 |
Freddiedaarling...fingers crossed he replies as I have no hope of learning German , I had enough trouble trying to learn French . |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 16:44 |
I learned Spanish and Latin and dont remember any of it. |
thundergod 07.06.2019 20:14 |
Ja,Stevendabudgie. Deutsch ist sehr wichtig zu lernen, aber bitte erwähnen Sie nicht noch einmal unseren verrückten Präsidenten. Er ist ein Narr. You all can translate that with Google"German to English" |
Perk 07.06.2019 21:19 |
Okay, all yeah, that was the "bigger the better" interview where he talks about only learning cuss words. @Thor if you know German so well why didn't Freddie invite you out to Munich? @Chevy yeah he and Winnie basically used Barbara Valentin as translator since neither of them was willing to speak the other's language. I took German in high school and college and got straight A's but it's been a while and if you don't use it you lose it. Yes, Thor you are right about that man you were referring to. When is this book coming out? I've heard the rumors but no actual news about it. If he's smart he will put it in English as well as other languages because Freddie is popular all over the world in many different countries. If he really wants his book to get out there he would put it in many different languages. Though the only one I needed a translator and dictionary English to better English dictionary was for Peter Freestone's book. Man he uses big words and I use big words, so you know those were like ACT SAT words. Thor knows what those are. Amanuensis and indubitably (I know the second) were used in the same sentence lol if that tells you anything. I had my dictionary out for sure. I know what amanuensis means now so he did educate me but dang Pheebs! LOL |
thundergod 07.06.2019 21:32 |
Perk, Freddie was living a completely different lifestyle in Munich than he was in New York. Remember....Freddie liked to live in the" present" which was our experience in New York. We assumed he was living in the present in Munich. We did stay in touch with birthday cards and occasional phone calls. Once he left Germany, he longed to rekindle close friendships that were important to him prior to 1985. |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 23:12 |
What the hell was that German? |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 23:22 |
Munich was the devils playground . |
CHEVYMAN 07.06.2019 23:49 |
Perk, Barbara said she had a relationship of some kind with Freddie and I really say some Kind in not a very nice way.I know it was lies told by that lady Leslieann Jones.She put stuff all over her fb about it after biopic came out.I pretty much messaged her and she deleted her comments and blocked me on fb and messenger what does that tell you.I dont know why she had the need to lie.Shy also said David Bowie let her stay at his house why she did work on his biograghy.He left her there alone in his home for weeks supposedly who is gonna do that I dont think so. |
stevendabudgie 08.06.2019 00:03 |
@Katydyd5 When you know German and some of its variants it's fascinating to listen to Yiddish speakers- Yiddish has a lot of German elements. If you know some West and South German dialects, you easily understand Pennsylvania Dutch. And there's Texas German,, which is about to die out: link |
Katydyd5 08.06.2019 00:10 |
Steven, my dad's side of the family are Mennonites. Most of them are gone now, but many spoke German while they were here. All of the headstones in the old churchyard are in German, or perhaps the PA Dutch version. I even went to a funeral of a great aunt when I was young and the service was in German. With that background you'd think I'd know a little, but sorry to say, not a word. |
Rainbow61 08.06.2019 01:25 |
It would be hard to pick up a second language when you only hear it occasionally. I took French in school for 4 years, but I cannot have a conversation in French. Canadian French was my grandparent's first language, but that was replaced by English long before I came along. I have always heard that Quebecois French is quite different than European French. Thor, I did put your answer into Google Translate. LOL! I bet you had a blast singing along to Nena's "99 Luftballoons" in German back in the 80's. I had absolutely NO idea what that song was about, but it was certainly fun to listen to. Queen is so popular around the world, yet everyone who goes to their concerts doesn't necessarily speak English. I wonder how many people have gone to Queen shows just because they love the music, without knowing the words to the songs? I few months ago I saw a concert by two French Canadian folk bands performing together: "Le Vent du Nord" and "De Temps Antan". Most of the songs were in French. I LOVED the show...the music was so lively and upbeat... it didn't matter that I could not understand what they were saying...I "felt" what they were saying! |
CHEVYMAN 08.06.2019 01:52 |
Rainbow, IM half Cherokee Indian and cant speak a word of it my grandparents on my mothers side are white people and Irish so when they adopted us they didnt want their friends to know our father was an Indian man .Sadly when I located my aunt to get my Indian roll number most of the older cherokees had passed and most of the younger ones were speaking the English language. |
Rainbow61 08.06.2019 02:23 |
CHEVY, YouTube is a wonderful resource for learning just about everything. I'm sure you could find some great instructional videos on the Cherokee language! |
CHEVYMAN 08.06.2019 02:46 |
Yeah I thought about it what I would really like to do is locate some of my siblings that weren't raised by my grandparents I have 6 younger that I'm aware of..Curious where they are.All the tribes have their own language so I might be able to talk to the citizenship office in Cherokee county they maybe able to help me their may be classes on site for that type of thing. |
CHEVYMAN 08.06.2019 17:54 |
I have too agree That Freddie was living a very different life once he moved to munich.I think Barbara influenced him negatively.She also introduced him to that guy winnie that was one of her friends which in my book looked like a shady character.There is a old saying misery loves company and I think that's what Barbara and her group brought to his life. |
The Black Queen's Kid 09.06.2019 00:46 |
Chevyman, I think that the Munich thing was probably very exciting at first. Freddie and the band could do what they wanted without being hounded by the press. But as time went on all that excess became a curse. They were in a world that wasn't so wonderful, and I think that they all suffered a little for it. Mind you, this is based on reading interviews, so I don't know for sure. But sometimes the thing you think you want becomes very damaging. |
CHEVYMAN 09.06.2019 02:02 |
Bk, yes I couldnt agree with you more .They were probably having the time of their lives.Im just waundering though everybody says there is a rock bottom Was Munich it for Freddie.Is that why he maybe got the hell out of there or was it Barbara either one would be a good reason. |
doughnut 09.06.2019 14:35 |
Thor I hope you are well ? I wonder if you could help. Some of us here have spotted the most amazing painting on the wall inside Garden Lodge. t looks like it is in the room where you would sit down to eat. It is a painting of Freddie in a suit with a cigarette in his left hand and two cats on his right side. Did you see this painting when you visited ? Did he ever tell you about it, was it a gift or did he commission it. If someone wants to add a photo of it that would be great. I don't know how to do this here. |
doughnut 09.06.2019 14:41 |
Rainbow I think the band were pretty amazed as although when they were performing in a non speaking english country, the fans often had no problem singing along word for word. I love the performance of 'Love of my love' from Rock in Rio as you can hear the crowd sing so clearly it gave me goosebumps. It really is amazing. |
CHEVYMAN 09.06.2019 17:08 |
Doughnut , I seen the painting You guys you are talking about it is gorgeous. |
FreddieDarling 09.06.2019 18:34 |
The Freddie and Cat Painting........ |
CHEVYMAN 09.06.2019 18:52 |
Perk,Thanks for letting me know about Barbara being a translator that makes perfect sense he needed her to do that for him.That was brilliant thinking on his part kill to birds with one stone.That would explain why she would spend so much time with them. |
doughnut 09.06.2019 19:17 |
thank you FreddieDarling Chevyman I can't imagine having a relationship with someone with a different speaking language to me. How on earth would that work. Barbara and Winnie were best friends and I think she introduced Freddie to Winnie. I think her being around all the time may have had its positives and negatives. |
mika251 09.06.2019 22:11 |
Hi folks, Just to keep you informed,.. Rudi's book hasn't been released yet, Only God knows why. So even those who can read German have to wait :((( Finger's crossed for English translation as well. |
CHEVYMAN 09.06.2019 22:17 |
Mika, what's that Rudi dude gonna talk about in his book just curious when Freddie was in munich.I dont personally think that would be very interesting.But your right it would have to be English for sure .Wonder why that guy is writing a book after all this time anyway who knows it will be interesting to see what this one has to say. |
CHEVYMAN 09.06.2019 22:35 |
Okay sorry mika, it may be a good read he's been with band a while just hope everything is depicted correctly. |
Katydyd5 10.06.2019 01:29 |
FreddieDarling, thanks for locating that portrait of Freddie. Oddly enough I had just yesterday deleted it from my files and couldn't share it here. I hope Thor can tell us a bit more. I'm not going to engage in a discussion about Barbara Valentin. She was clearly important to Freddie for a long time as a translator and friend. I think she tried to get too close and began to read things into the friendship that weren't there. However, she was at Garden Lodge more than once, and even appears in some of the Garden Lodge tapes. There are also still photos that show her at Garden Lodge. I have to respect all of Freddie's choices in companions whether I like them or not. As for Munich, it wasn't all bad. Freddie had a treasured relationship there with Mack and his family. I believe they helped ground him while he was there. As for Rudi, I'm very excited about his book. I went through this same discussion several pages back, but I feel I need to express my thoughts again. He had a very long professional relationship with the band and a personal friendship with Freddie. He is in many of the "making of" videos. He, along with his partner, directed The Untold Story, a highly respected documentary about Freddie's life. He featured Freddie in an episode of his television show. He clearly had a love for Freddie that remains to this day and I think he will have many stories to share that will be new to us. I love learning the behind-the-scenes stories. When you see him working with Freddie it is clear that Freddie had great respect for Rudi's craft. He's also going to release a new video with the interviews he did with Freddie. I look forward to having them all in one place. Frankly, I don't care why he decided to write his book now. I'm just so grateful that he is going to give us new stories. It is harder and harder to find new material about Freddie and I'm exceedingly grateful for anything I can get. Thor and Lee know I am equally excited about their book. I have been here from the beginning and couldn't have been happier to learn that they would finally publish. Same thing as with Rudi, it's new material. I celebrate that in any form. |
Katydyd5 10.06.2019 01:38 |
LOL, quick apology. I said I wasn't going to engage in a discussion about Barbara, and then turned around and did just that. It's out of my system now. Sorry! |
CHEVYMAN 10.06.2019 01:50 |
Doughnut, Thanks for clarification I didn't know Barbara and Winnie were best friends that explains alot however, she leaves a bad taste in my mouth but I wont make any further comments on that subject. |
FreddieDarling 10.06.2019 07:23 |
Katydyd5, Yes cannot wait until we (please God!) ,have the chance to buy Rudi's book and Thor and Lee's book. Rudi always seems to hold such affection and respect for Freddie, and that Freddie trusted Rudi and Hannes to be so near to him when he was so poorly speaks volumes to me about how those feelings must have been reciprocal. I wonder what the hold up in the book is? I feel sure he must be going to release it in English. Just think how many territories he'd be missing out on sales in if he doesn't! Hope you all have a great week and I hope Thor or Lee can help us to solve the Freddie and Oscar (?) Painting Mystery! |
doughnut 10.06.2019 07:23 |
Katy you made me giggle . I do the same sometimes , can't help it. The only thing I'm sat it it's not a given for us to like someone in Freddie's life . If we find he/she did things not in Freddie's best interest Im.very much looking forwArd to Rudi's book as he Will no doubt have lots of endearing things to say about Freddie and their personal and working relationship. Regarding Barbara , I feel we don't have to respect because she was close to Freddie . No doubt Freddie wanted her in his life but was she genuine. Remember it's said Freddie could often overlook bad traits in a person . Anyway it's what she did after Freddie passed away that has turned public opinion of her. I'm not sure Freddie would be happy if he knew what she had claimed, not just sex but violence. I don't hate her , I just think she was hurt by events . Take care Doughnut |
doughnut 10.06.2019 07:25 |
What a topsy turvy message , apologies it's my stupid kindle. |
CHEVYMAN 10.06.2019 11:15 |
Doughnot, I know a person can overlook bad traits in another person because we all have them we are human.However, there comes a point when this person in your life has help make things toxic and the parties over and it's not fun anymore. You are living in a house of pain and it's time to go.I dont believe he felt this way about any of the other places and friends he met He at one point wanted to cut her out of his life.He never did or wanted to do that with his Newyork buddies so that to me speaks louder than anything. |
Katydyd5 10.06.2019 12:41 |
I'm going to beat a dead horse just one more time, and then I'm going back to my corner to hide. Here's a great video about Rudi. link |
doughnut 10.06.2019 13:42 |
nice video thank you Katy No need to go back into your corner, its good to have a discussion as there are differing opinions. As long as it doesn't get heated or nasty we can share views. My take on Barbara is she went crazy after Freddie died and made claims that people in his circle have denied. To me that not a good person as Freddie couldn't defend himself . |
CHEVYMAN 10.06.2019 14:46 |
Anyone is free to go back into their comment at anytime there is no nastiness here have a good one |
CHEVYMAN 10.06.2019 14:47 |
Anyone is free to go back into their comment at anytime there is no nastiness here have a good one |
doughnut 10.06.2019 15:38 |
chevyman Barbara was in Freddie's life even up to Christmas 1990. It appears he reconciled with her after he left Munich. She was included in Peter's book as being on the coach for the Magic Tour dates in Wembley. It seems to be sometime in 1991 that he cut her off again along with Peter Straker. Whatever people think of her she was obviously someone Freddie wanted in his life. That is why I say it is after his death that she said crazy things . |
doughnut 10.06.2019 15:53 |
I'd say judging by Rudi's comments in the video, cocaine and Vodka was widely available and they were all on it. Those that Freddie seemed to spend his time with. Thor has said Freddie lived a different lifestyle in Munch , a lifestyle I'd say he enjoyed but perhaps after a while stopped enjoying...who knows. Phoebe says Barbara was a lot of fun and Freddie and her had a blast together. Mack says Barbara was a bad influence and wasn't good for Freddie . People seem to have different opinions so who knows. Something happened to make Freddie leave Munich like he did. Phoebe says Freddie's love of Munich was being replaced by his passion for GL & Jim. I personally think what was happening at that time was some of the reason. Sadly it was too late. Judging on an interview Barbara gave, she didn't like the Freddie she encountered at GL because it seems their wild partying days were more than likely over. and She bitched about Jim saying he was only good for the cats and the garden . Seems to me his years at GL were very happy and he was a lot calmer. goodness what a topic lol |
CHEVYMAN 10.06.2019 16:20 |
Different opinions that's what its call about folks.Itvwould be a boring world if we all agreed all the time right.Can we all agree on that one I sure hope so. |
stevendabudgie 10.06.2019 17:59 |
@Thundergod Mein lieber Thor, ich verstehe Sie vollkommen! Herzliche Grüße aus Deutschland. Ihr gefiederter Freund Steven |
thundergod 10.06.2019 19:34 |
Possible answer to why Freddie left Germany...Like New York, Freddie told me that he could not LIVE in another city for more than 2 years for tax reasons. Two years LIVING in New York and two years in Munich. It makes sense that he had to leave. I'm sure also, that by this time he was OVER the intense party scene which probably was even more over-indulgent than New York had been. |
thundergod 10.06.2019 19:37 |
Danke, mein Freund Steven. |
CHEVYMAN 10.06.2019 21:49 |
Tax reasons that makes good sense.Thanks for clearing that up thought that one wasnt never going to get resolved. |
Deedree 11.06.2019 00:01 |
Hi Everyone Just popping in to catch up - wow there's always so much to read - I tend to get caught up in the Facebook group and forget about QZ, naughty of me I know! Great to see you are also popping in when you can Thor! Hope all is going well with the book arrangements :) OK off to see some clients now. It is a beautiful day here in Brisbane even though it is our Winter! Have a great day/night everyone xxx |
emdee0809 11.06.2019 00:38 |
This may be way off base but we all have different types of friends. Work related friends, social friends, and your most trusted friends. Freddie had all of these. Each served their purpose in his life-some good and some not so good. From everything I have read, I would have to say Thor and Lee and the NYC daughters fit in the most trusted of his friends. He never turned away from them and it seemed they were genuinely there for him when he needed them. Thor, correct me if I'm wrong- but other "friends" seemed to fall in and out of Freddie 's life for varying reasons that doughnut mentioned earlier. Take care everyone and have a nice week. |
NotQuiteAShilling 11.06.2019 01:56 |
Good Point emdee |
CHEVYMAN 11.06.2019 14:41 |
Good Morning lovely people well where I am it"s morning.Emdee that was a nice post yesterday I didn't see it till late last night but you had some valid points not everybody in our life is good.However, at least Freddie I think weeded out the bad and kept the good to the end of his life.Steven you got me lost I think the only thing I could make out in that post was friend and your name I think.Correct me if I'm wrong. |
doughnut 11.06.2019 16:59 |
Thor good point about Munich . I wonder if you saw my post about the painting of freddie in GL. FreddieDarling shared a file to download it to view, Do you recall seeing it and know if it was commissioned or a gift ? Thank you so much |
stevendabudgie 11.06.2019 22:04 |
@Katydyd5 That's interesting. According to Wikipedia most Memonites apparently speak neither Standard nor PA German (which descended from Central West German variants) but Low German, which is spoken in the Netherlands and the German coast. Low German is so distinguished from other German dialects some linguists consider it a language of its own. The Hutterites speak a variant of Swiss German... I sometimes envy Americans for their diverse origins... There is nice poem by Germany's greatetst greatest poet: link @Rainbow61 Most of my parents' generation born in the 1940s did not learn English at school, but became huge fans of Aerican rock music. My dad still is a huge Elvis fan although he does not understand a word. He is just fond of the music and the beauty and passion of his voice. I had French at school for five years, I have forgotten almost everything. I recently discovered French singer Barbara Weldens, who unfortunately passed away two years ago. I am truly fascinated by her stage presence and passion she puts into her energetic performances. |
CHEVYMAN 11.06.2019 23:42 |
Deedree, That is very naughty of you to not ever check in here.I think everybody forgives you.It's winter were you are I couldn't live somewhere like Alaska think about how cold it is there.I prefer summer or fall weather.Hope you have a good one at at work take care.I will try to catch you on fb It"s my nightime when it"s your daytime. |
Katydyd5 12.06.2019 00:00 |
Steven, thanks for sharing the poem. I visited Germany with my family when my boys were young. I loved the romanticism I found in your tumbledown castles! A river trip down the Rhine with castles around every corner was very intriguing to my imagination. You are right about Mennonites speaking Low German. I had forgotten that. BTW, I had two years of French in high school and it was then that I learned I do not have a talent for languages, though I think I'd do better now than I did then. |
CHEVYMAN 12.06.2019 12:21 |
Katydyd,I too learned Spanish and Latin in high school and I don't remember a word of it either.I think their was a concert somewhere I dont remember where but Freddie had written some words on his hand in that countries language to present to them on stage I thought that was cool he was always one step ahead thinking of ways he could interact with his audience. |
Rainbow61 12.06.2019 20:59 |
Thor and Lee...thanks for the book update. Every step closer to publication must seem like such an accomplishment. Hope you are able to give us a sneak peak of the cover at some point. :) Have been really touched by the pics Brian May has shared during his trip to Zanzibar to visit Freddie's birthplace. |
CHEVYMAN 12.06.2019 21:54 |
Rainbow,I seen those old pics Bran put up on insta they were so cute.Freddie was such a adorable little boy I bet his mom was proud of his young pics.Im glad Brian went I bet it's been a wonderful experience for him. |
FreddieDarling 12.06.2019 22:01 |
Chevy that was Tvasi Svel... a traditional Hungarian folk song he sung in Budapest concert. |
CHEVYMAN 12.06.2019 23:17 |
Awesome! He was so dedicated Such a sweetheart. |
Perk 13.06.2019 00:46 |
thundergod wrote: Perk, Freddie was living a completely different lifestyle in Munich than he was in New York. Remember....Freddie liked to live in the" present" which was our experience in New York. We assumed he was living in the present in Munich. We did stay in touch with birthday cards and occasional phone calls. Once he left Germany, he longed to rekindle close friendships that were important to him prior to 1985.@THOR That makes sense Freddie was cool that way. I have never been very good at living for now. So that's one Freddie inspiration for me and I'm working on my posture cause Freddie had good posture and I don't I blame my high school back pack. I know that's random but I saw a rerun of Jimmy Fallon with Rami on it and he said that was one thing he had to work on to play Freddie was his posture. Us American's can't even stand right :P Thanks for your answer Thor how is Lee? |
Perk 13.06.2019 00:55 |
doughnut wrote: I'd say judging by Rudi's comments in the video, cocaine and Vodka was widely available and they were all on it. Those that Freddie seemed to spend his time with. Thor has said Freddie lived a different lifestyle in Munch , a lifestyle I'd say he enjoyed but perhaps after a while stopped enjoying...who knows. Phoebe says Barbara was a lot of fun and Freddie and her had a blast together. Mack says Barbara was a bad influence and wasn't good for Freddie . People seem to have different opinions so who knows. Something happened to make Freddie leave Munich like he did. Phoebe says Freddie's love of Munich was being replaced by his passion for GL & Jim. I personally think what was happening at that time was some of the reason. Sadly it was too late. Judging on an interview Barbara gave, she didn't like the Freddie she encountered at GL because it seems their wild partying days were more than likely over. and She bitched about Jim saying he was only good for the cats and the garden . Seems to me his years at GL were very happy and he was a lot calmer. goodness what a topic lolFrom Pheobe's second book he talks about also rumors she and Freddie were getting married started to pop up in German newspapers so that was part of it, though Freddie couldn't prove it he knew she was most likely behind it. Garden Lodge being ready and Jim and Freddie becoming more serious plus the marriage rumors. I think a lot of things just fell into place and Pheobe also said that once Freddie bought half of that apartment with Barbara he was over it before it was even finalized. PF says that when things got permanent Freddie usually bolted. idk...but you are right Barbara was hot stuff in Germany she was not in England, plus she had Mary to contend with there. Pheebs knew Barbara well too and knew that when she was out of Germany she wasn't the "star" that Freddie had related to. My question is, if they had sex, we all have figured out Freddie was most likely HIV+ by then then why didn't she get the virus? I mean seems to me if they did have sex which I highly doubt, Barbara would have most likely (not for sure) contracted it. It just seems like the most likely thing if they were in a sexual relationship. IDK |
Perk 13.06.2019 00:59 |
Katydyd5 wrote: I'm going to beat a dead horse just one more time, and then I'm going back to my corner to hide. Here's a great video about Rudi. linkI can't watch this yet since I'm at work and no you tube allowed but does it mention the book at all? I'm super curious about the book considering I've been hearing about it for months. |
Perk 13.06.2019 01:05 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Mika, what's that Rudi dude gonna talk about in his book just curious when Freddie was in munich.I dont personally think that would be very interesting.But your right it would have to be English for sure .Wonder why that guy is writing a book after all this time anyway who knows it will be interesting to see what this one has to say.Rudi may have some anecdotes from the studio because he and Hans Rossacher were the "torpedo twins" who shot all their videos after about 1985 and shot the one vision documentary. I don't know if they ever socialized. I don't think so, but music was important to Freddie and it's not an area we get a lot of insight on so that would be cool. I know there were times when all the guys could be very weird about cameras in the studio and a lot of stuff was just the four of them so who knows? |
Perk 13.06.2019 01:06 |
Rainbow61 wrote: Thor and Lee...thanks for the book update. Every step closer to publication must seem like such an accomplishment. Hope you are able to give us a sneak peak of the cover at some point. :) Have been really touched by the pics Brian May has shared during his trip to Zanzibar to visit Freddie's birthplace.I don't know why Brian wants me to sob. I want to stop grieving for Freddie then Brian does something so amazing like that and I'm just a mess all over again. |
CHEVYMAN 13.06.2019 02:16 |
Perk,I don't think Barbara had sexual relations of any Type with Freddie and I stress the word type.I don"t know why she would say that When she was busted lying about it she didnt even care who does that.Everyone that knows him knew it was a lie.Maybe she had a dream about it or something and thought it was real who knows.As for as her not liking the change in him when she visited garden lodge maybe because he wasnt around her anymore. |
CHEVYMAN 13.06.2019 02:40 |
I forget where I read it but it stated Barbara would come in the front of the bar and Freddie would go out the back.That doesnt sound very promising to me.He might of been trying to get away from her .I do believe she was probably attracted to him and maybe it just went a little to far you think. |
doughnut 13.06.2019 19:38 |
perk I also do not think Freddie had anything other than a friendship with Freddie. |
Galileo1564 13.06.2019 19:40 |
Doughnut you win typo of the month! |
CHEVYMAN 13.06.2019 21:30 |
Galileo, I'm always the winner of that department with my bad punctuation and grammar that really hurts I didnt get that spot this month.I bet Thor would have a different opinion I'm definitely the queen of typos and bad punctuation and grammar that's all mine. |
CHEVYMAN 13.06.2019 21:32 |
I know what you meant doughnut you were saying Freddie was just friends with Barbara . |
CHEVYMAN 14.06.2019 01:40 |
Well,I dont know if any of you have seen Brian May's response to a fans question on Instagram today.He apparently doesnt like for fans to question why the biopic portrayed Jim and Mary the way it did along with many other innaccuracys.He told the fan that it basically doesnt matter if things were portrayed inaccurate the film was a success. They had to change his personal life to consider the respect of all viewers.He also said fans had all the wrong information about his life because it's based on interviews the press and tabloid magazines.He said the biopics success speaks for its self and he feels it was depicted correctly.i would like to know what you guys think about this.I believe it was full of false shit that probably never happened.Im not gonna attack Brian as a person because I like him but he done this one all wrong and it really has caused so many fights and bullying on social media.I feel if it had been handled a little differently Things may not have gotten as bad as they have. |
Saint Jiub 14.06.2019 03:41 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Well,I dont know if any of you have seen Brian May's response to a fans question on Instagram today.He apparently doesnt like for fans to question why the biopic portrayed Jim and Mary the way it did along with many other innaccuracys.He told the fan that it basically doesnt matter if things were portrayed inaccurate the film was a success. They had to change his personal life to consider the respect of all viewers.He also said fans had all the wrong information about his life because it's based on interviews the press and tabloid magazines.He said the biopics success speaks for its self and he feels it was depicted correctly.i would like to know what you guys think about this.I believe it was full of false shit that probably never happened.Im not gonna attack Brian as a person because I like him but he done this one all wrong and it really has caused so many fights and bullying on social media.I feel if it had been handled a little differently Things may not have gotten as bad as they have.Chevy - Can you please provide a link, as it is difficult to have an informed opinion without hearing it from the horse's mouth? Thanks. |
Galileo1564 14.06.2019 04:08 |
Rainbow—That is cool that your grandparents were French Canadian. I grew up in English Canada and did 7 years of school French. Most of that was compulsory. After that I could conjugate lots of verbs but couldn’t comfortably order a coffee in Montreal. I learned to speak French at the Alliance Francaise in NYC! I’ve spoken French in Paris, Brussels, and many places in French-speaking parts of Canada. There are differences but they are the same language on both sides of the pond. Anyone from Quebec who has some school French can make themselves understood. But mix a language snob from Paris and a speaker of more rustic or street French from Quebec, and you may hear “I spoke to a guy from Quebec and I couldn’t understand a word he said!” That’s more accent than anything else. The differences are more than those between American and BBC English. I’m not sure they’re greater than between say Appalachian English and Newcastle. I say that because I sent a video made by a guy with a Geordie accent to my friend in Appalachia and he couldn’t understand a word! Yet can understand the BBC. I highly recommend places like the AF for learning to speak a language. So much better than the way languages are taught in schools. I have good reason to believe most of my French teachers could barely speak the language. And I’m checking out those bands. De Temps Antan use a more neutral accent in some of their songs, while others are stronger Quebecois. But a great way to get some of the rust off my French. |
Galileo1564 14.06.2019 04:12 |
St. Juib link With luck that will be clickable. I tried. The fan comments are presumably on the photo of the still from the movie, but loading older Insta comments when there are dozens is a real pain. At least on iPad. |
Katydyd5 14.06.2019 10:49 |
Hey Galileo, on a purely technical level, how did you make that link to Brian's Instagram page clickable? I've tried to do that with links, but never been successful. |
CHEVYMAN 14.06.2019 12:17 |
Saint juib, I'm not good at downloading links but I think someone did it for me.To me it just says it doesnt matter if things are correct and completely accurate about his bandmates life and story just as long as it's made alot of money and it was the best movie ever.Complete bullshit to me.Is that any better than the press that are writing these false articles and stories as long as they are making money? |
CHEVYMAN 14.06.2019 12:33 |
Saint juib, I'm not good at downloading links but I think someone did it for me.To me it just says it doesnt matter if things are correct and completely accurate about his bandmates life and story just as long as it's made alot of money and it was the best movie ever.Complete bullshit to me.Is that any better than the press that are writing these false articles and stories as long as they are making money? |
Galileo1564 14.06.2019 15:52 |
Katy and all, To make links clickable on QZ, just remove the “s” in “https”. This works most of the time. No one seems to know why it doesn’t always work. I’ve seen two different people post the identical link, one with the “s” and one without, and still only one works. So give it a try, and if it doesn’t work, do what Freddie would do and treat yourself to a celebratory glass of bubbly. |
doughnut 14.06.2019 16:39 |
Galileo ...that was just my poor use of grammer in a very tired and grumpy moment lol I did mean' I don't think Freddie had any kind of sexual relationship with Barbara' . I hope Thor isn't ignoring me as I would love to know about that great painting in GL :) Thank the lord its Friday, I'm beat Have a good one all |
CHEVYMAN 14.06.2019 16:52 |
Galileo,That does sound really good right now.What is really good is v8 juice and beer it is excellent not everyone likes it but I do.It has to be really cold. I'm the beer witch. |
Galileo1564 14.06.2019 17:06 |
Doughnut— I knew exactly what you meant! That’s partly why it was so funny. It was a kind of compliment because you made me laugh. Anyway, I agree. I think all that stuff comes from LAJ and from Barbara making up stuff. And David Wigg. And I don’t really care what Freddie and Barbara did, honestly. |
Rainbow61 14.06.2019 21:58 |
Galileo 1564… My grandparents (mother’s side) were born and raised in the US, but they attended a French school, went to mass at a French church, and lived in a largely French-Canadian neighborhood. You mentioned Montreal...thankfully most people seem to be bilingual there...so no problems ordering anything. Poutine, my favorite artery-clogging food, is a must every time I visit. Thanks for the tip about the Alliance Francaise. I had never heard of that organization before. You are right about accents. Some British accents are extremely difficult for me to understand. A Scottish accent is particularly challenging, although I think the sound is absolutely lovely. On a related note…I love the short YouTube clip of Freddie speaking a few words in Japanese. He looks so proud of himself! (Thanks for the technical advice on how to post links…I hope this works...I removed the "s") link |
CHEVYMAN 14.06.2019 22:16 |
Yes Thanks for that tip I. was having so much trouble with that link stuff your awesome! |
Rainbow61 14.06.2019 23:45 |
It seems there are many of us who studied a second language in school, but never had the opportunity to use it much and eventually forgot what we learned. Except we all probably remember Lesson #1 found in most foreign language books: "Hello, my name is ________. What is your name? How are you today? I am fine." One of the things I was most excited about in 7th grade French class was being able to select a French name that I could use throughout the year. I selected Gabrielle, and to this day I am particularly fond of that name! stevendabudgie...I love that your father is such a big Elvis fan! Great music stays great music no matter where it is played. Freddie could be singing in any language and I would enjoy hearing his magnificent voice and watching him perform! Actually, listening to foreign language songs can be a fun way to learn the words of another language...that's probably why I remember "Frère Jacques" after all these years. Texas-German...now that is a combination I never would have thought of! Interesting. By the way...thanks for the Goethe poem, although I loved the "tumbledown" castles I saw in Ireland last year. Like Katydyd said, they excite the imagination. |
Katydyd5 15.06.2019 00:08 |
Thanks for the tip Galileo! Now I'll have to find something worthy of linking to try it out. And by worthy I mean something you all haven't seen a hundred times already. |
Saint Jiub 15.06.2019 00:08 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Saint juib, I'm not good at downloading links but I think someone did it for me.To me it just says it doesnt matter if things are correct and completely accurate about his bandmates life and story just as long as it's made alot of money and it was the best movie ever.Complete bullshit to me.Is that any better than the press that are writing these false articles and stories as long as they are making money?Brain must have been laughing whilst writing his Instagram diatribe: "You want to tell the story honestly, decently" ... LOL LOL LOL The movie created an alternative dishonest narrative and implicitly claimed: Freddie broke up the band by creating a solo album. Freddie had to beg to get back into the band. Freddie was lonely and unhappy because he was a gay man. Freddie was lonely and unhappy because he was not married with a family. Freddie had no genuine gay friends. Freddie would have been better off with Mary. |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 00:14 |
Rainbow, That was the fun part pick a different name for the whole year.I also didnt care for my given name because it was different and at that time noone had it so I was glad to pick one.You are right though If you dont use a language you have learned you forget it. |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 00:48 |
Saint, I'm glad you were able to give some feed back on the Instagram post Brian put up.I do have to say I agree on this one.He was not sad he was a happy person it seemed.Happy to be with friends .He didnt seem lonely to me.I dont think he would've made a good family man at all.His sister even said so.Everyone lives with regrets but From everything I know to be fact he wasnt sad about not being with mary.Im sure she was an still is till this day.But I have to say men are different than women when it comes to that kinda thing anyway.So I really think making a fabulous film and making alot of money was a good goal for this film and they nailed it. |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 01:14 |
I'm just joking about that last part it made alot of money but it wasn't fabulous. |
FreddieDarling 15.06.2019 07:45 |
Rainbow... LOL@ being unable to understand Scottish accents! I'm English, and I often struggle too! Just a few miles from my area of Birmingham is an area called The Black Country (because it was so heavily industrial the buildings were black with door !)and I can't even understand them! :-D Freddie's English was beautifully spoken! St. Peter's must have insisted on correct pronunciation and enunciation. Have a great Saturday, Peeps ! |
FreddieDarling 15.06.2019 07:52 |
That should say SOOT, not DOOR! Blooming typos! The plague of my life!! |
doughnut 15.06.2019 15:11 |
gilliao --- Oh for lords sake I can't remember how you spell your username....so sorry .....but thank you for saying I made you laugh, anyone who tells me that always makes me happy. Thank you . At least you understood me. Do any of your listen to bootleg gigs...there are some great ones on youtube. :) |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 17:51 |
Doughnut, Don"t feel bad I have look everytime to spell it correctly I think It's my old age kicking in. |
mariah carey 15.06.2019 20:37 |
Hello. What are your thoughts on the drama with Brian on Instagram today? He blocked a lot of people who were disagreeing with his opinion on BoRhap |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 20:46 |
Mariah, I asked for others opinions I would like to know yours there is no drama here and there isn't gonna be either.But I would be interested in knowing your opinion since you took the time to drop a few lines today . |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 21:12 |
I'm sorry that looks rude I would like to know what you think I'm the only one here that was talking about it.Noone else really cares it's old news .But it's a shame he had to block people I hate insta I rarely ever post there But I did see his lovely pics of zanzibar and his opinion on the film. |
mariah carey 15.06.2019 22:04 |
Don't worry, you weren't rude at all :) I'm kind of confilcted about all of this - Brian has been pretty rude to the people commenting under his posts today, also he blocked a lot of people, even if they voiced their opinions politely. On the other hand I understand him that it must be really annoying to see people always complaining about the movie and blaming him for everything that was wrong with it |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 22:33 |
Mariah,I get the whole thing they wanted to portray a pg rated film but they totally didnt do his character or the characters that played his companions and yes I'm talking about Jim justice.This is a old can of worms but damn they made it look like he was sad all the time and lonely.We had to watch him play musical lamps with Mary I don"t think he was at home playing with lamps at all.They made him out to be sad about being gay and from what I see they are nuts he was very happy with himself.Would he have been better off with Mary no absolutely not .Why they wanted to create a bisexual image of a man that wasnt i will never know.At least he knew he liked men it's much harder the other way around from what I can tell you from experience.I think the only unhappiness he probably experienced is when he was being dishonest to Mary and his parents possibly.I dont totally blame Brian but he could handle his fans a little nicer he put that movie out there it wasnt correct he knew what conflict it would cause.So in that respect dont run just face the music answer honestly why you did it and move on. |
CHEVYMAN 15.06.2019 22:46 |
One more thing my little sweet Roger had nothing to do with this hatefulness on insta so . |
mariah carey 15.06.2019 23:11 |
Yeah, it's like they were afraid to show him as a confident gay man, which he was. Those scenes with Mary and lamps were unnecessary and a bit ridiculous - instead they could have shown Jim more and how they met in real life. I just don't know if we really can blame that on Brian. |
CHEVYMAN 16.06.2019 00:10 |
Yeah, I know I dont think it was entirely him either. |
Rainbow61 16.06.2019 16:00 |
A very happy Father's Day to all the wonderful dads out there! |
Dougie 4 16.06.2019 19:11 |
Brian May needs to just accept the fact that there are people who don't like the movie...and as a powerful public figure he has to be mature enough to move on with his life instead of making a fool of himself on Instagram. |
Rainbow61 16.06.2019 20:22 |
It seems to me that Brian is well aware there are people out there who did not like Bohemian Rhapsody...I doubt he believed his recent Instagram posts about the film were going to sway anyone’s opinion. Agree or disagree with Brian, he has the right to express his point of view on his own Instagram page. Polite disagreement with him is one thing, but I don’t think there is any requirement that a celebrity must put up with negative/hostile Instagram posts any more than less famous people who block and delete followers using the same justification. It is not a matter of being close-minded, but the need to carve out a little peace of mind and calmness. There are enough negatives in life we can’t control…Makes sense to eliminate those we can. |
CHEVYMAN 16.06.2019 20:27 |
Dougie, Brian is a very intelligent guy and he knows not everybody is gonna agree on the movie but he is so involved on social media he is bound to get nailed with questions.He might be tired of answering the same things.His opinion and the way it was portrayed has not changed he has given fans the same answer over and over.I don't agree as many others but I would like to know how many of these fans taking time to question him paid to watch this movie they didn"t agree with 2 and 3 times.That makes no sense to me.If i were him i would take a break from social media it's been nothing but an attack on innocent people.Maybe when he returns things can be more civil.By the way i love the pics he and his wife took on their trip he could've went anywhere in the world and he chose to go see his friends childhood birthplace. |
CHEVYMAN 16.06.2019 20:36 |
Rainbow, I agree on that we all don't necessarily agree on the biopic but there is a way to address Brian just like you would anyone with respect.There have been so many unkind things said Brian believes it portrayed the way they wanted .He knew it wouldn't be popular with everyone.It makes sense to delete or block hateful fans I looked back through some comments and there was some name calling I believe on some fans part.That's not acceptable. |
CHEVYMAN 16.06.2019 20:36 |
Rainbow, I agree on that we all don't necessarily agree on the biopic but there is a way to address Brian just like you would anyone with respect.There have been so many unkind things said Brian believes it portrayed the way they wanted .He knew it wouldn't be popular with everyone.It makes sense to delete or block hateful fans I looked back through some comments and there was some name calling I believe on some fans part.That's not acceptable. |
CHEVYMAN 16.06.2019 20:36 |
Rainbow, I agree on that we all don't necessarily agree on the biopic but there is a way to address Brian just like you would anyone with respect.There have been so many unkind things said Brian believes it portrayed the way they wanted .He knew it wouldn't be popular with everyone.It makes sense to delete or block hateful fans I looked back through some comments and there was some name calling I believe on some fans part.That's not acceptable. |
doughnut 17.06.2019 10:31 |
no worries chevyman as I don't feel bad lol. I was laughing to myself when I was saying I couldn't remember how to spell the username (which I still can't remember how to spell ) Brian as the right to block and remove people , I haven't read all the comments so I have no idea what's been going on . My feelings on the subject are that he is a public figure and an adult and therefore in a position where he can set a good example. He should certainly block people that are being rude and offensive to him but he should also bear in mind people will comment on his page which he has made public. I have seen him react badly to innocent comments and that is what upsets me. In life people have a right to dislike something, we don't all have the same opinions, you have to take the rough with the smooth. I feel it is perfectly valid for people to air their disappointment just as people air their delight. It is understandable he hasn't reacted well to criticism , no one likes to be criticised , but come on he doesn't live in a perfect world and so he should be prepared for it. |
Katydyd5 17.06.2019 13:10 |
Rainbow, I'm a little late with this but I agree with your sentiments 100%. |
doughnut 17.06.2019 15:26 |
so when someone asked a perfectly polite and reasonable question about the film , it was ok for Brian to go off on a rant which in turn caused other people to rant creating a situation which it shouldn't have. . That is the behaviour I dislike and the fact that he is famous doesn't excuse him. If he wants to avoid this type of situation then Id suggest he avoids the topic as he clearly laps up the good but not the bad. |
CHEVYMAN 17.06.2019 15:39 |
Got some good view points on the subject matter at hand Brian thinks he is right.He is proud of his movie and he want to talk about it.Well he needs to understand not everybody is gonna jump on his train.They like him as a person and artist but the movie was a poor betrayal of his bandmate brother and friend.That is what happens when you pass and someone else makes your decisions on your behalf.What amazes me is his best friend read the script and she approved it.She claimed to accept him and know him and confide in each other so she should know this script wasn't correct and could"ve spoke up .Someone should've spoke up but didn"t.I don"t care how much power Jim Beach has he is a man and puts his pants on just like any other man. |
doughnut 17.06.2019 17:18 |
chevyman my issue isn't to do with the film but more Brians behaviour when asked a simple, polite question. I understand he is probably sick to death of the comments regarding the film and it touches a nerve but I don't like to see him snap at people when it isn't justified. I amy be wrong but I am not sure that Mary had much to do with the film. |
CHEVYMAN 17.06.2019 18:46 |
Doughnut, I think she read the script whatever that means.I don"t know .social media drama thank God we didnt have this when I was a younger we would've got nothing done.when we had a complaint we went to that individual crazy times we live in.I know they were being civil he just Is tired of answering questions I think.Poor Brian hope things will settle I'm done with this one it's quite boring. |
musicland munich 17.06.2019 19:18 |
I don't want to jump in the discussion too much but I like to thank you guys for your YT video :) link |
lsg 17.06.2019 21:44 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Mariah,I get the whole thing they wanted to portray a pg rated film but they totally didnt do his character or the characters that played his companions and yes I'm talking about Jim justice.This is a old can of worms but damn they made it look like he was sad all the time and lonely.We had to watch him play musical lamps with Mary I don"t think he was at home playing with lamps at all.They made him out to be sad about being gay and from what I see they are nuts he was very happy with himself.Would he have been better off with Mary no absolutely not .Why they wanted to create a bisexual image of a man that wasnt i will never know.At least he knew he liked men it's much harder the other way around from what I can tell you from experience.I think the only unhappiness he probably experienced is when he was being dishonest to Mary and his parents possibly.I dont totally blame Brian but he could handle his fans a little nicer he put that movie out there it wasnt correct he knew what conflict it would cause.So in that respect dont run just face the music answer honestly why you did it and move on.Chevyman, I’ve read in multiple places by those who have worked closely with Queen that Brian May can be quite viscous when he wants to. I believe it might have been in Peter Hince book but I read it by multiple sources |
CHEVYMAN 17.06.2019 22:09 |
Lsgo, I get it but come on they want to argue ith or question this man that is in his70s they aren't gonna win.He is set in his ways and actions there is no changing that thought process.He is old school and he will defend what he believes and don"t care who he pisses off.I don"t know what else to say I wish Roger would say something he will say nothing.I do believe he misses Freddie they all do .Yes sir you heard it from the boss low taxes enough said. |
lsg 18.06.2019 18:06 |
There is no argument on my part. Not concerned one way or another. Not sure why my post comes off like an issue. Just stating what I’ve read. Moving on. |
doughnut 19.06.2019 11:16 |
Peter Hince is doing to talks at the moment and book signings. He was in Manchester last night. He commented on the part of the film where Freddie had to ask to come back for Live Aid. He said that in real life Freddie would never have begged to come back , he would of told them where to go and left them. |
CHEVYMAN 19.06.2019 11:29 |
Doughnut,I agree Freddie would never beg to come back . |
CHEVYMAN 19.06.2019 13:14 |
I myself don't trust to many people that say they new Freddie's story because so many have told things that are untrue just to make things appear interesting and sell their product.Call me crazy but I would much rather have truth that depicts actual stories and memories that actually happened they may not be as interesting as all the false lies that have been told in the past but at least it would be sincere and geniune.i dont know this Hince guy but one thing I'm sure about and I dont need a book to tell me is Freddie did not beg to return to Queen they needed him.I have read very few books on Freddie this book of Thors and Lee's will be the third .I regret reading Leslieann"s book it was a waste. |
doughnut 19.06.2019 13:43 |
You should 'ratty's' book Chevyman, it's good. It's not so much about Freddie but more about his life as a roadie. He was Freddie and John's roadie so knew them well. He left that life to focus on life as a photographer, he took quite a few photos of Freddie including some ace ones of Freddie wearing his royal gown and hat. He stayed in contact with Freddie until a year before he passed away. I honestly don't think he said anything too negative about any of the band members so I feel he was respectful. The job itself appeared to be hard work, long hours and sometimes not much appreciation. |
Dougie 4 19.06.2019 14:21 |
Doughnut: the movie was a big ego massage for Brian and Roger, the begging scene in particular is so wrong and cringey |
CHEVYMAN 19.06.2019 14:40 |
Dougie, I said I wasn"t going to do this but hear I am again I need to go to rehab .I just can"t help myself.Freddie knew at the end of his life even that once he passed it would be hard to continue the band.That's one of the reason's I believe he made so much music for them to have to release after his passing.He wasn't the type to consider himself the best or important one.When he was asked he would just say he does vocals for the band he wasn't the leader.So when they put that scene in the movie it makes me wonder what were their actual thought processes for this.What were we to get out of it? |
King of all Queen fans 19.06.2019 21:30 |
Thor and Lee, still not fed up with the cashing attemps using Fred’s name and memories of him? Or still not found a publisher for your book? Whoehahaha All hail to PAPA EMERITUS XIII ! |
CHEVYMAN 19.06.2019 21:57 |
King of shit, Memories were just not of that of one person they were of a whole group of guys.As far as a name they didn't all have the same name and all their names will be present in the book.So I'm sure noone is just using one person's name for their benifit.I wanna know something since you are the king of shit maybe you got this answer.There have been so many books written about Freddie alot of them untrue why pick these guys to fuck with.I can tell you one thing you consider yourself a fan I don't think Freddie would like his friends to be disrespected for trying to honor his memory.So before you post something else negative think about that one for a while .Then come back and try to have something positive to say.If you nothing nice to say don't come back at all. |
Dougie 4 20.06.2019 04:43 |
Chevyman: I agree, I have read many interviews by people who knew Freddie and everyone who knew Freddie has spoken of how generous he was, how he wasn't selfish or self-serving when it came to the band and to writing or composing music. He was a team player and a true musician. But the movie is so problematic in it's depiction of him |
CHEVYMAN 20.06.2019 12:53 |
Dougie, yes it seems they must have forgot this or lost part of the script when showing Freddie's kindness towards his other band members.He was aware I think of how valuable he was to them but never used it for personal gain.He gave so much to others but unlike so many other celebrities I don"t think it was known.He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that has to be acknowledged for doing something for someone.He was just glad he could do it. |
RussiaLand 20.06.2019 16:57 |
Katydyd5 wrote: Hey Galileo, on a purely technical level, how did you make that link to Brian's Instagram page clickable? I've tried to do that with links, but never been successful.Try using tags [ url ]...[ /url ], but without spaces after '[' and before ']'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGjt291COa0 |
King of all Queen fans 20.06.2019 17:03 |
Freddie guarded his privacy. I don’t think he would like the idea that old friends are so open about his private lives. So chevyman or whatever your name is, fuck you...go listen to the music instead of jerking of on Freddie’s private life. Cocksucker |
Katydyd5 20.06.2019 20:10 |
Thanks Russialand. I'm still looking for something I want to link to that would be fairly new to you guys but I'm determined to figure out how to do a live link. |
CHEVYMAN 20.06.2019 20:23 |
Russia, longtime no see sister I'm so glad to see some faces I recognize. This place looks a little bare these days.I will say we have had some nice discussion here huh?well most of the time anyway the part that counts .I still have trouble with those links you guys are talking about.You are so good at it sometimes it works for me and sometimes it doesn"t.See you in the place where we can still spell happiness.Did I spell that right?who cares. |
CHEVYMAN 20.06.2019 20:34 |
Russialand, now there is a face I recognize so nice to see someone I know.Im no good with strangers.I still have trouble with those links too katydyd I guess I will never get them.Its a little bare around here somebody needs to make some noise hell have a party something live a little.we arent dead you know.Thankyou you Rainbow for your PM after this afternoon I really needed it to be said.Its all I could do to control myself it made me so anxious you know.I almost let it go but I got everything under control. |
Rainbow61 20.06.2019 21:37 |
Hi Chevy, I agree with what you said about Freddie...you stated it perfectly! "He gave so much to others but unlike so many other celebrities I don"t think it was known. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that has to be acknowledged for doing something for someone.He was just glad he could do it." |
CHEVYMAN 20.06.2019 21:53 |
Rainbow, yep your right I think that might be some of that parsi roots shining through.They are big on working hard and doing good deeds and doing kind things for others it"s part of that culture. |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 00:26 |
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but I would like to know I was watching an old interview with Dave Clark and his face looks strange does anyone know if he had plastic surgery back in the day.There is just something about his face I can't put my finger on it but I would appreciate any information on this it"s bothered me everytime I seen him.I just couldn't bring myself to ask anyone. |
Galileo1564 21.06.2019 03:36 |
Chevyman, please read the bottom post from Thor on this page. Assume my link works. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1480243.html |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 04:02 |
Galileo, I'm a little embarrassed but thank you for giving me that link.I usually don"t ask about such things I always thought Dave Clark was an attractive man and was just curious about that.I think enough has been said thanks explains alot. |
FreddieDearie 21.06.2019 04:31 |
SM: "Freddiedearie your post is bullshit and wildly insulting. You know absolutely nothing about what went on there " Ah but yes I do. And your freakout is only more proof my best friend Larry was correct. "and who the fuck was "whining" about signing anything for my contract?" You were. You were clearly making it sound as if Jim Beach asking for you to sign an NDA was unusual or unreasonable and seemed to be insinuating itmwas part of some "cover up" When in fact it was not only TYPICAL for a lawyer to protect their client in that manner, it would have been NEGLIGENT for him not to have done so. "Sorry but I'm lost for words. You're claiming I and Jim were thieves? Really? What a bitch. Imagree that karma isma bitch. "That's all for me folks....I won't be posting here anymore." MENS REA In courts of law, when a suspect tries to escape or run away or avoid answering questions etc... Juries are instructed that such behavior may be evidence of a guilty mind". "Mr Mercury's fans are just not the warm bunch I was hoping they are." Nice job generalizing the actions of one or a few people and ascribing it to the entire group. There's numerous names for that kind of thinking, Prejudiced, bigoted. Paranoia "It's one thing to post a comment. It's another entirely to create total fiction" I agree. But what Impostedmwas NON-fiction. " and insinuate I bitched about signing what I was asked to sign" I didn't insinuate it, I pointed it out. It's there for anyone to read. "call me a fucking thief. " I don't know for sure if you're a fucking thief or not. What I do know is that my friend Larry KElly had told me about those events in 1993, before Hutton's book was even published and that he was not a liar or exaggerator and would have absolutely no motive to do so. . I also know, that it's uncanny how much his anecdotes match with what has since been published and even what you claimed here. . The only difference is that what you and Hutton claim is missing some not so flattering details. . "You're disgusting. " Again, the way you are responding is indicative ofma guilty mind. "You want that badly to make lies to excuse Ms Austin's behaviour Imdont have to excuse Mary,s behavior, she didn't do a damn thing that was wrong. The MOMENT Freddie died, EVERYTHING IN THAT HOME, until PROVEN otherwise, belonged to Mary Austin. EVERYTHING. Probate LAW REQUIRES that not a THING be removed from that home until everything was formally catalogued and given a value. "that you'll throw others under the bus for it?." It is YOU SIR, Who has demonatratespd YOUR motivation for commiting LIBEL against Mary Austin. No wonder you've disappeared into the wind when you weremcaoled out for it Your bias, irrationality and ignorace regarding Mary Austin is self- evident. One could wonder if your hate for her would in your mind justify your actions against her here in this thread. "You need real help. " Again, your ad hominem is indicative of a guilty mind. I merely reported here what I was told back in 1993. Larry had since died from AIDS later that decade. We literally chatted about those incidents mere days before he died. I do not believe, as he knowingly neared death, that he would have been, from his literal deathbed, maintaining and repeating a supposed lie , he had told me years earlier. You should be ashamed, and held accountable for making false accusations about Mary Austin. BOTTOM LINE: Freddie didn't even trust Hutton with even THE KNOWLEGE of where Freddie wished to be buried or scattered. If Freddie had actually wanted Hutton, Fanelli or Freestone to stay at Garden Lodge, he would NEVER have left that to a verbal promise. He would've expressed his wishes IN HIS WILL. After all, that's the whole purpose of a will. To put into writing, a LEGAL document, your wishes.. SPECIFICALLY so liggers and liars can't claim verbal promises" were mad e. Freddie was too practical a business man to have EVER left anything like that to a verbal promise and not include it in his will. If you asset Freddie would have.... then you must have a VERY low opinion of Freddie's intelligence and savvy. . Shame on you for that. |
mariah carey 21.06.2019 05:06 |
You're like 3 months late, nobody cares. |
FreddieDearie 21.06.2019 05:38 |
Dustin Zimmerman: "You know how I know it's you for a fact? I dont message people in Instagram. The only 3 people I have ever messaged on Instagram have been my cousin, Freestone and someone else i know personally outside of social media. " Just so you know, I don't know if FMLover is also HendrixGin, but I know for certain he/she is not me. Dustin Zimmerman: "Not only that but you've proven yourself a compulsive liar with that Larry Kelly thing and many other examples. " Listen, first of all, what the fuck difference does it matter if Im FMlover or Hendrix or whoever? That doesn't prove anything one way or another. It's a moot point. But I can tell you this. The "Larry Kelly thing" is real af and true. He was my best friend. He told me those anecdotes in 1993, before Hutton's book was ever published. He died later from AIDS. But his stories of his time in London and Garden Lodge remained consistent right up until days before his death from his death bed. It's easy for you to live in denial if you don't want to believe something.... But here's the thing, those things happened, and that doesn't change based on what you believe. Dustin Zimmerman: "Another one being that you and i have spoken. You have no idea who i am on Instagram and you know that. My name isn't even Dustin." For the record, I haven't been on Instagram until recently. So, while you may have talked with this Hendrix chick or FMlover or whoever ...you haven't spoken with me. So you're totally off base with me. But it looks like your M.O. And for those of you who would think that Jacky from Queen's international fan club would be privy to the employee list of the cleaning/refurbishing company Larry worked for is REALLY stretching at credulity. First of all, I have never said whether "Larry Kelly" is a real name or just a pseudonym. All I can say is that "Larry Kelly" is a name Shaun would've understood and recognized. Jacky would have absolutely no way of confirming one way or another. |
FreddieDearie 21.06.2019 05:46 |
Mariah Carie: "You're like 3 months late, nobody cares." Cool. Then there will be no more moaning and whining. |
Invisible Woman 21.06.2019 07:02 |
@FreddieDearie You might be able on Instagram to show to some people or to your several own profiles your "theories" as a truth, but no one here believes in your "truth". No one here "moaning or whining", you are do it every time when you posting about "your truth" and of course about Mary Austin. Why don't you discuss about Freddie's and Queen's music, concerts, videos, Bohemian Rhapsody movie etc. Why do you spend so much time hating Jim and arguing with people who think differently and with people who knew Jim? OK. you think your opinion is true, but you have to understand that for other people, what you are posting here or on Instagram is neither truth nor fact. Relax, there are lots of beautiful things in the world, read a book, watch a movie, listen to music, take a walk ... :) |
mariah carey 21.06.2019 07:11 |
She's a homophobe - plain and simple, obssesed with hating on Jim and making up lies almost about everybody. |
RussiaLand 21.06.2019 08:03 |
Galileo1564 wrote: Chevyman, please read the bottom post from Thor on this page. Assume my link works. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1480243.htmlPoor Dave:( He was really handsome in his young days! link |
RussiaLand 21.06.2019 08:04 |
Wow, that's too big, sorry:)))) I'm testing all possible tags. |
RussiaLand 21.06.2019 08:38 |
FreddieDearie wrote: Just so you know, I don't know if FMLover is also HendrixGin, but I know for certain he/she is not me.FreddieDearie, you are @hendricksgin01 on IG, right? I never thought you were FMLover, but based on the below IG post I think you are @hendricksgin01 as Larry is mentioned there too? https://www.instagram.com/p/Bum774igpBI/ P.S. My question is not meant to start a war, I'm just trying to understand who's who. |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 12:34 |
Rusialand, yes Dave Clark was a nice looking man I did read the link.I usually don"t ask about peoples appearances but like i said it was something that creeped me out everytime I watched him I just couldn't figure it out.Thanks! |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 13:29 |
Well moving on it"s another busy day here doesn"t appear much got done though.Let's really remind eachother to only engage positive no response to negative .One positive is better 10 not.I don"t know how many you guys have Instagram but I urge you to stay off it for a while Brian May has obviously had to resort to blocking people which he never did before.So that says something . |
RussiaLand 21.06.2019 14:02 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Well moving on it"s another busy day here doesn"t appear much got done though.Let's really remind eachother to only engage positive no response to negative .One positive is better 10 not.I don"t know how many you guys have Instagram but I urge you to stay off it for a while Brian May has obviously had to resort to blocking people which he never did before.So that says something .Totally agree with you, Chevy! By the way, speaking about Brian, I'm reading "Queen: As It Began" at the moment and there's this photo in the book with a caption: 'Brian (second left) as the Lady Mary Lazenby in the school play, The Admirable Crichton in 1964'. I'm not sure that that's Brian, though. Did they mean second right? link |
matt z 21.06.2019 14:47 |
Looks like Brian is second row, 5 th from left or 2nd from the right Probably just a different way it's typically expressed over there (wherever the author originates from) But i can see how second left could designate "looking left" ANYWAYS... this thread grows immensely, does it not? |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 14:58 |
Russialand, That is an extremely old pic I don"t know.It's older than me and older than you for sure.Those hair styles wow! |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 15:11 |
Mattzap, glad to see a friendly face here and you located Brian he was so and is so handsome. |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 15:13 |
Mattz, not Matt zap sorry! |
FreddieDearie 21.06.2019 15:31 |
Invisible Woman: "You might be able on Instagram to show to some people or to your several own profiles your "theories" as a truth, but no one here believes in your "truth". No one here "moaning or whining", you are do it every time when you posting about "your truth" and of course about Mary Austin. “ Oh, I'm well aware people like you aren't interested in reality. So, don't worry darlin, pass on by the truth like your type always does. A certain ilk of people, like in Trump Country have a penchant for willful ignorance, and It's seems you're just like them. Despite your fantasies and paranoia of who I may or may not be or where I post, I and other people know what really happened in January thru March 1992. : Especially Shaun, which is why he ran away. Guilty mind. Invisible Woman: "Why don't you discuss about Freddie's and Queen's music, concerts, videos, Bohemian Rhapsody movie etc. " I do, ALL the time. Invisible Woman: "Why do you spend so much time hating Jim and arguing with people who think differently and with people who knew Jim? " I don't hate Jim, I hate the horrible way he betrayed Freddie and his lies. And Larry knew Jim knew Shaun. Invisible Woman: "OK. you think your opinion is true, but you have to understand that for other people, what you are posting here or on Instagram is neither truth nor fact" Yes. I'm well aware of your willful denial. But what I said about my friend Larry Kelly and what he witnessed is not an opinion. It really happened. And you being afraid to believe it doesn't change what happened. I understand you're intent on maintaining your denial. But Shaun knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Invisible Woman: "Relax, there are lots of beautiful things in the world, read a book, watch a movie, listen to music, take a walk ... :) .” Do it all the time. Voracious reader, Am a musician myself and have an EXTENSIVE (and expensive music collection, have always been a movie buff, we travel on our 53 foot boat most weekends and all vacations, usually walk quite a bit when at port, I also knit, dance, am a mother. Don't exercise as much as I should though. ?? |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 15:55 |
Invisablewoman, nice to see you here again you need to drop in more often.Just remember in numbers positivity can grow and become stronger.Don"t entertain negativity sister.What do you think about that old pic of Brian May isn't it cool?I bet the band has loads of them with Freddie. |
doughnut 21.06.2019 16:11 |
freddiedearie I have missed your pointless dribble, don't leave it so long next time . chevyman I find Dave very weird looking and I am sure he claims that he has had no surgery. He looks like a clingon to me. (can't spell it sorry ) |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 16:19 |
Doughnut, I have just always kind of found him attractive call me crazy.But there was just something about the face and I don't feel so bad knowing someone else noticed ed it in the past too.I guess it wasn't just me.He always dressed really nice I bet he smelled really good too. |
Invisible Woman 21.06.2019 16:27 |
FreddieDearie, I don't really care who you are and where are you from, I even don't have profiles on social networks. You can be Mary Austin herself, I don't care. All I think about your "work" I wrote in response to you in other thread. http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1466746.html I still think the same, of course. I'm apologize to all members for this discussion with FreddieDearie. I will never do this again in this thread. |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 16:48 |
By the way any comments I have left on Instagram commenting on gentlemens appearances or bodies is in good taste.I mean nothing of a negative nature by it.S So there is no need to post my comments on old pics of Freddie and Friends there is nothing wrong with appreciating and commenting in good taste on a nice looking man or woman end of discussion. |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 16:54 |
Invisablewoman, you owe no explanation to anyone we have freedom of speech to voice how we feel.But we do need to consider others feelings always and I think you always are respectful to others. |
doughnut 21.06.2019 17:06 |
chevyman I confused, what is the insta issue ? I noticed Dave because it is hard not to. Something has happened to the poor man. As for smelling him, no thank you he isn't to my taste lol Invisible Woman don't apologise and for the record I have come across many of your posts on QZ where you are having a mature conversation about queen and their music. There is more to you than someone thinks but don't scape to her level, its not worth it. You can't reason with someone who clearly has mental health issues. |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 17:42 |
Doughnut,someone posted a link on here from insta that I commented several times on about certain unnamed men honey .its on this page it's a link.I just wanted to clarify I dont care I post what I want I'm always respectful.Yes I do think Dave is attractive he is a even more attractive older man. I was just concerned about the facial issues.Im a little crazy everybody knows that strange taste I guess men women and cats. |
doughnut 21.06.2019 17:51 |
oh well dont worry as we all can comment what we like. You haven't done anything wrong. Hold you head high :) |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 18:03 |
Thanks |
FreddieDearie 21.06.2019 18:10 |
Invisible Woman: "FreddieDearie, I don't really care who you are and where are you from," Why you so obsessed with me then? I told the truth about what my friend told me. That you don't care about Freddie... that's on you. |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 18:31 |
Okay guys let"s talk about how Freddie strutted on stage.I don"t think he had great dance ability but you have to give him an e for effort.He did a decent striptease.I think he could've given prince Roger's Nelson a run for his money.The guy was pretty extreme on stage for the eighties.oh I forgot 70s but I dont remember those well.However ladies those leotards could do alot for the imagination and he could wear them and looked really nice in them.I think he wasnt afraid to Express himself and I think some of his outrageous and gorgeous attire was part of that stage persona.The man was ten steps ahead of his time for sure there was no stopping him. |
Saint Jiub 21.06.2019 21:04 |
An old, but still valid, Public Service Announcement for this topic: Ignore and Isolate ... Please |
CHEVYMAN 21.06.2019 21:26 |
Saint, hope that is possible |
Saint Jiub 22.06.2019 00:23 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Saint, hope that is possible"Hope is not a strategy." “Do. Or do not. There is no try.” |
MisterCosmicc 22.06.2019 00:44 |
Time for a new thread |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 02:10 |
New thread wont change anything people have to learn not give into the asswholes.its not an easy thing to do but it can be done. |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 03:34 |
Saint , I was just using that as a figure of speech. |
Saint Jiub 22.06.2019 03:45 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Saint , I was just using that as a figure of speech.I was just having fun spouting semi-random quotes |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 03:53 |
I need a laugh |
doughnut 22.06.2019 12:15 |
so what do you all think about the release of 'Time' with just Freddie's vocal and Mike on piano chevyman I love Freddie's dancing, its unique and totally Freddie. |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 12:22 |
Freddie's dancing is unique he has his own style and it works for him doesn't it.i don't think anyone could pull off some of the stuff he pulled off onstage over the years. |
MisterCosmicc 22.06.2019 13:36 |
I’m talking about a new thread because this one is so huge that it’s taking up so much of the forum space wise. PS - Stop all the fighting... ?? |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 13:42 |
Mystic, there isn"t always alot of fighting among the ones that post here regular.It"s the idiots that pop in.They will always be there running from them does nothing.I agree not talking to them is the right idea.This thread isn't that big anymore really.Anyway trouble will just follow to a new thread that's the way open forums work from what I have noticed. |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 14:00 |
Mister,I will say one more thing on the arguing matter when you are the one being attacked called vile names that women should not be called it's hard to just blow it off and say nothing.Its a whole lot easier if your the one setting back watching the attacking doing nothing.So think on that one.I think I handled being called a cocksucker very well dont you.Im not trying to get rude with you just letting you see the whole picture through another view. |
Katydyd5 22.06.2019 16:42 |
I think I see Mister's point about a new thread. If you go to the Queen Forums site and open up General Discussions, this particular thread takes up a lot of space because we have so many pages. It kind of crowds out some of the other topics. It would be totally up to Thor and Lee if they wanted to start a Part Three of their thread, but I don't think it is a bad idea. I don't think Mister is suggesting starting a new thread because of the arguing, it's a space issue. |
doughnut 22.06.2019 17:58 |
katy I agree the thread is huge and probably could benefit from starting afresh but as you say its up to Thor and Lee :) |
doughnut 22.06.2019 17:59 |
mistermosmicc your idea and a good one. |
doughnut 22.06.2019 18:03 |
opps meant mistercosmicc ..sorry |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 18:39 |
ok got what he is saying about space.Thank goodness its been peaceful today we need alot of these days.I havent been with these threads since the beginning my they go way back.Mostly good times as I saw and a few crazy but mostly good.That says something for you guys that have been there since the beginning good job .You all have kept things going in a positive flow 90 percent of the time that speaks for itself. |
MisterCosmicc 22.06.2019 20:14 |
Yes, SOMEONR ring Thor up and tell him about it. New thread! It’ll create less drama, too. Personally all I enjoy here is the questions for Thor and Lee and then their replies... nothing else. |
CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 20:51 |
Good luck with that most folks like to talk about music pictures etc it's not drama unless someone chooses to create it.There are only so many questions that can and have already been asked alot of people enjoy talking with eachother not just asking questions that's rather dull.How do you plan to keep asswholes from commenting on questions?man why leave it up to someone else to contact Thor Take the bull by the horns fella I'm sure he would be glad to hear any suggestions. |
thundergod 22.06.2019 21:28 |
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CHEVYMAN 22.06.2019 21:31 |
Thanks Katydyd, I see what your talking about. |
thundergod 22.06.2019 21:34 |
Announcement, You asked for it and we aim to please. New thread is called Part 3: new thread while Thor and Lee's book is in publication. Carry on and enjoy loyal fans of our previous 2 threads! |
Katydyd5 22.06.2019 21:39 |
Thanks Thor! It's been great to watch this thread grow since I first began to post in Nov of 2017 on the first thread. It had gotten a bit unwieldy though. Hopefully starting a new thread will eventually cause the old one to disappear since it was taking up so much space in the QZ forums. |
thundergod 22.06.2019 21:45 |
I am having trouble bringing up the thread even when I seach with the exact name of it....HELP! anyone. |
MisterCosmicc 22.06.2019 21:54 |
link Everyone bookmark it |
thundergod 22.06.2019 21:54 |
I found it on the home page...thanks. |
Lgedog898 21.07.2019 00:39 |
good god people -- freddie left his home, belongings, royalties AND his ashes to exactly who he wanted..... how is this a discussion??? |
FreddieDearie 01.08.2020 22:14 |
Ok. I know this is a WAAAAY OLD response. And the thread had moved on. But I just happened to come across this and wished to clarify something. . Quote SM” ”...Villers I hope you're feeling better now. I wanted to vent a little about something that has greatly disappointed me on Instagram.com. ... I thought I had found a good account as the name was FreddieAndJimForever but I was disgusted by what I saw and continue seeing on that page. It's a young lady that claims to be fan of Mr Mercury and Jim but all her posts are awful. Raunchy gay sex jokes about Mr Mercury. Addressing him as simply "a useless bottom". ..She claims to know you both Mr Thor and Mr Lee and tries to lead people to believe she's close with you but I refuse to believe two guys as kind as you would get mixed up with that sort of thing. She claims Mr Freestone hated working for Mr Mercury and calls Mr Fanelli a bitch every few minutes. ... An entire hour talking about who was the sponge and who was the stone in Mr Mercury's bed?? I'm disgusted. I really expected better from his fans. I keep trying to avoid seeing those posts but do not know how to block an account. So I will just get offline. What worse is this not a teenager. What a shame. ” . I don't know why SM, Dustin, Squirrely etc are playing dumb, but Villers/Queenmemes/Katie was all in 1000% talking and laughing about Freddie being a bottom. I have video of the live where Queen_memes.kl was joking with ”FreddieandJimforever” about how Freddie wasn't abused by boyfriends because Freddie was just into ”HateF**king”. She thought it was oh so funny and was going right along with ”FreddieandJimForever”. . killers queenmemes_kl was ooking about how sexy it was that Freddie had fingermark bruises on his arm. Quote: ::: @freddieandjimforever: The appeal with Winnie... he could have a good angry fu*k and just feel good... I think the whole Bill Reid thing, that was totally just hate fu*#ing....Phoebe pretty much said Freddie liked to hate fu*k. ” And what was Villers response? queen_memes.kl: ”Hate fu*#ing LOL ?????? Can we talk about the finger bruises on Freddie’s arms and the fact they came from hate fu*#ing lmao”**** She would give thumbs up to freddieabdjimforever making fun of Freddie being a bottom. FreddieandJimforever even did a LIVE announcing she was gonna talk about Freddie being a bottom, and Villets/Queen_memes was there and ALLLL FOR IT. When I would post about it being inappropriate that they were fertilizing gay men and gay sex.... That all came at me for telling them it was wrong. Suddenly SM Posts and Villers got a new religion. ????? |
CHEVYMAN 01.08.2020 23:14 |
Freddie Dearie, This threads closed but I do know some of those names you are talking about and yes I have seen some nasty talk as well. I think talking about a dead mans sex positions is kind of morbid. I’m a open minded person when it comes to sex but not everybody is. I realize not everyone is familiar with certain terminologyl lol. Any two people engaging in a sexual s as ct somebody has to be willing to give and somebody has to be willing to receive. I’m sorry if I embarrassed you.But for those ladies you mentioned to pretend to be close friends with Thor and Lee and to turn around and talk about their friends sex life isn’t a good friend being as they are writing a lovely book that will respect his privacy and contain no such material I’m sure. |
CHEVYMAN 01.08.2020 23:19 |
These women google gay men having sex and they think they know everything. Then they go online and try to educate other females. A new religion huh. Maybe catholic I used to just go to confession for my thoughts and confess to a perverted priest and I was forgiven till next time.Sorry you had this experience. This thread is closed though. Confront them directly message them if you feel so strongly there is no shame in my game I would if it bothers you. Peace be with you. |
Saint Jiub 02.08.2020 21:23 |
ignore and Isolate. Diatribe should not be rewarded. |
CHEVYMAN 02.08.2020 23:27 |
Saint Juib, go back we’re you came from and don’t you ever address me again . It’s ok no one has directed you to post on this ghost thread and you should be ashamed of yourself. Be a man and admit wrong doing repent and you shall be forgiven |
CHEVYMAN 02.08.2020 23:30 |
This threads closed everyone ignore this man he knows it’s closed . |
CHEVYMAN 02.08.2020 23:37 |
Blessings aren’t up to you saint Juib your not holy your the one being judged we all are just repent brother. |
FreddieDearie 03.08.2020 22:34 |
For the record. The thread isn't closed if there is still an ability to post in it. I don't understand why you have assigned yourself the position of hall monitor. |
CHEVYMAN 03.08.2020 23:20 |
Post if you would like I have nothing against you there just isn’t anyone posting here as you can see good luck god bless |
FreddieDearie 06.08.2020 18:03 |
Listen. I'm still reluctant to give more information, because I don't want Larry’s family dixxd... but Larry worked for a refurbishing company called Taveners Ltd (sp?) and had worked on Garden lodge early on in 1982 as well. They were called by Jim Beach/ Mary when the damage occurred to the house in 1992. It had nothing to do with Jacky Gunn, so she wouldn't know. Larry even had a Freddie autograph from 1992 that his family sold at auction around 2014. I didn't call you thieves, I simply pointed out the absolute fact that the contents of Garden Lodge were frozen due to probate, and while there were assessors who had come in, probate had not yet been signed off on and no one (even Mary) was allowed to remove anything more than their toothbrush, shaver and the clothes on their backs. And you did whine about having to sign a NDA as if that was something nefarious or unfair. NDA’s are common place, and that you posited it as something suspicious is dishonest. So, while you can throw out ad hominem all you want, all that does is shows is that you’re trying to divert from the matter. Cheers Original post SM: Freddiedearie your post is bullshit and wildly insulting. You know absolutely nothing about what went on there and who the fuck was "whining" about signing anything for my contract? Sorry but I'm lost for words. You're claiming I and Jim were thieves? Really? What a bitch. That's all for me folks. Mr Mercury's fans are just not the warm bunch I was hoping they are. I won't be posting here anymore. It's one thing to post a comment. It's another entirely to create total fiction and insinuate I bitched about signing what I was asked to sign and call me a fucking thief. You're disgusting. You want that badly to make lies to excuse Ms Austin's behaviour that you'll throw others under the bus for it? You need real help. Cheers. |
FreddieDearie 06.08.2020 20:40 |
1982, not 1992 |
Thereuhaveit 06.08.2020 22:35 |
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CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 14:05 |
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FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 03:29 |
Listen. I'm still reluctant to give more information, because I don't want Larry’s family doxec... but Larry worked for a refurbishing company called Taveners Ltd (sp?) and had worked on Garden lodge early on in 1982 as well. They were called by Jim Beach/ Mary when the damage occurred to the house in 1992. It had nothing to do with Jacky Gunn, so she wouldn't know. Larry even had a Freddie autograph from 1982 that his family sold at auction around 2014. I didn't call you thieves, I simply pointed out the absolute fact that the contents of Garden Lodge were frozen due to probate, and while there were assessors who had come in, probate had not yet been signed off on and no one (even Mary) was allowed to remove anything more than their toothbrush, shaver and the clothes on their backs. And you did whine about having to sign a NDA as if that was something nefarious or unfair. NDA’s are common place, and that you posited it as something suspicious is dishonest. So, while you can throw out ad hominem all you want, all that does is shows is that you’re trying to divert from the matter. Cheers Original post SM: Freddiedearie your post is bullshit and wildly insulting. You know absolutely nothing about what went on there and who the fuck was "whining" about signing anything for my contract? Sorry but I'm lost for words. You're claiming I and Jim were thieves? Really? What a bitch. That's all for me folks. Mr Mercury's fans are just not the warm bunch I was hoping they are. I won't be posting here anymore. It's one thing to post a comment. It's another entirely to create total fiction and insinuate I bitched about signing what I was asked to sign and call me a fucking thief. You're disgusting. You want that badly to make lies to excuse Ms Austin's behaviour that you'll throw others under the bus for it? You need real help. Cheers. |
FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 03:29 |
Listen. I'm still reluctant to give more information, because I don't want Larry’s family doxec... but Larry worked for a refurbishing company called Taveners Ltd (sp?) and had worked on Garden lodge early on in 1982 as well. They were called by Jim Beach/ Mary when the damage occurred to the house in 1992. It had nothing to do with Jacky Gunn, so she wouldn't know. Larry even had a Freddie autograph from 1982 that his family sold at auction around 2014. I didn't call you thieves, I simply pointed out the absolute fact that the contents of Garden Lodge were frozen due to probate, and while there were assessors who had come in, probate had not yet been signed off on and no one (even Mary) was allowed to remove anything more than their toothbrush, shaver and the clothes on their backs. And you did whine about having to sign a NDA as if that was something nefarious or unfair. NDA’s are common place, and that you posited it as something suspicious is dishonest. So, while you can throw out ad hominem all you want, all that does is shows is that you’re trying to divert from the matter. Cheers Original post SM: Freddiedearie your post is bullshit and wildly insulting. You know absolutely nothing about what went on there and who the fuck was "whining" about signing anything for my contract? Sorry but I'm lost for words. You're claiming I and Jim were thieves? Really? What a bitch. That's all for me folks. Mr Mercury's fans are just not the warm bunch I was hoping they are. I won't be posting here anymore. It's one thing to post a comment. It's another entirely to create total fiction and insinuate I bitched about signing what I was asked to sign and call me a fucking thief. You're disgusting. You want that badly to make lies to excuse Ms Austin's behaviour that you'll throw others under the bus for it? You need real help. Cheers. |
FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 03:29 |
Listen. I'm still reluctant to give more information, because I don't want Larry’s family doxec... but Larry worked for a refurbishing company called Taveners Ltd (sp?) and had worked on Garden lodge early on in 1982 as well. They were called by Jim Beach/ Mary when the damage occurred to the house in 1992. It had nothing to do with Jacky Gunn, so she wouldn't know. Larry even had a Freddie autograph from 1982 that his family sold at auction around 2014. I didn't call you thieves, I simply pointed out the absolute fact that the contents of Garden Lodge were frozen due to probate, and while there were assessors who had come in, probate had not yet been signed off on and no one (even Mary) was allowed to remove anything more than their toothbrush, shaver and the clothes on their backs. And you did whine about having to sign a NDA as if that was something nefarious or unfair. NDA’s are common place, and that you posited it as something suspicious is dishonest. So, while you can throw out ad hominem all you want, all that does is shows is that you’re trying to divert from the matter. Cheers Original post SM: Freddiedearie your post is bullshit and wildly insulting. You know absolutely nothing about what went on there and who the fuck was "whining" about signing anything for my contract? Sorry but I'm lost for words. You're claiming I and Jim were thieves? Really? What a bitch. That's all for me folks. Mr Mercury's fans are just not the warm bunch I was hoping they are. I won't be posting here anymore. It's one thing to post a comment. It's another entirely to create total fiction and insinuate I bitched about signing what I was asked to sign and call me a fucking thief. You're disgusting. You want that badly to make lies to excuse Ms Austin's behaviour that you'll throw others under the bus for it? You need real help. Cheers. |
FreddieDearie 18.08.2020 20:51 |
thundergod wrote: Well, Viliers2, I must say that in keeping with our renewed policy to keep this a fun and truthful site. We should not body-shame, or we're no better than Donald Trump. But, I get what you were saying, I just don't want any of the good people here, even if they are heavy-set, not to shy away. I just lost 7 lbs, to my doctor's delight, but that was over a year,' and in my mind, that is not good enough. I need to lose about 40 more. Hey Villiers2, I did not mean to scold you...just keep you out of trouble, just as any friend would.Villers2 has told me she’s a Republican and Trump reporter, She followed Rosanne Barr, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder “Farmer” Ben Andrews. All horrible racists and homophones. So Villers isn’t what you think she is. |
Delilah546 19.08.2020 16:12 |
OMG! FreddieDearie, you are writing very interesting things...your comments are confirming a lot of things.I would like to write something here and there but I noticed that these pages, groups and so on are full of trolls and lies. There are a lot of very aggressive fans who think to know everything about a STRANGER: "Freddie loved him...", "Freddie hated her...", "no, this isn't the truth...you are wrong. Shut up!" and so on. And then you find out that they wrote a book about their fantasies (porn) and lies and lies here and there (making up stories, interviews and so on). Freddie's sexuality is their obsession. I love Freddie, I love his music, I love his voice and Freddie's sexuality isn't important to me. And I think that Freddie didn't talk about his private life very easily because he was a PRIVATE man...there are things only he knows about his life. |
FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 16:32 |
Delilah546 wrote: OMG! FreddieDearie, you are writing very interesting things...your comments are confirming a lot of things.I would like to write something here and there but I noticed that these pages, groups and so on are full of trolls and lies. There are a lot of very aggressive fans who think to know everything about a STRANGER: "Freddie loved him...", "Freddie hated her...", "no, this isn't the truth...you are wrong. Shut up!" and so on. And then you find out that they wrote a book about their fantasies (porn) and lies and lies here and there (making up stories, interviews and so on). Freddie's sexuality is their obsession. I love Freddie, I love his music, I love his voice and Freddie's sexuality isn't important to me. And I think that Freddie didn't talk about his private life very easily because he was a PRIVATE man...there are things only he knows about his life.Very true. But since Jim Hutton was the first one in Freddie’s circle to write a book to make money off of him, some of the lies and private details are out there for all eternity now. The least we can do is do our best to correct the record where we can. Unlike Prenter, Hutton waited until Freddie was dead so Freddie wasn't around to speak up for himself. |
Freddielove4ever 19.08.2020 21:24 |
I don't see this big love between Freddie and Jim in fact Freddie didn't want him (and his objects) in his bedroom during the last year of his life and Jim went to a couple of particular nightclubs when Freddie was very ill. I don't know why fans talk about the gay thing and about his 'beards' - Freddie talked about his sexuality in a couple of interviews and It was clear that he liked men and women. The audience knew about the men in his life...he didn't need a 'beard'. He wasn't gay or bisexual - he didn't like the labels. He loved women and men...their souls not their bodies. I noticed a particular things about the GL. Joe, Barbara and Jim had a bedroom there and Mary her office (Phoebe's ex bedroom). - so his house was full of his lovers - Phoebe wasn't one of them so he had to sleep in the Mews. |
Anton3283 29.08.2020 09:57 |
Why are these two still alive if Freddie dead? |
CHEVYMAN 29.08.2020 15:00 |
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Pushka 08.09.2020 03:58 |
Well I've read this thread up to page 74 so far, and as I had a feeling itmight run on forever thought I'd skip to the last page to say hello to everyone, especially to Thor and Leeo. I don't know when they last contributedcomments, but what I've read so far I've enjoyed immensely. So imaginemy disappointment to see that the final page at least is anti Jim Hutton speak. I'm very saddened by this, and it's sort of taken the edge off my happiness at finally being able to introduce myself. I've been a member at QZ for a number of years, but it is only recently that I've actually taken the time to start reading such a long and fully established thread. I will return to page 75, and hope that I will be able to enjoy the majority of the comments made in the remainder of the thread. |
FreddieDearie 16.09.2020 02:17 |
Pushka wrote: Well I've read this thread up to page 74 so far, and as I had a feeling itmight run on forever thought I'd skip to the last page to say hello to everyone, especially to Thor and Leeo. I don't know when they last contributedcomments, but what I've read so far I've enjoyed immensely. So imaginemy disappointment to see that the final page at least is anti Jim Hutton speak. I'm very saddened by this, and it's sort of taken the edge off my happiness at finally being able to introduce myself. I've been a member at QZ for a number of years, but it is only recently that I've actually taken the time to start reading such a long and fully established thread. I will return to page 75, and hope that I will be able to enjoy the majority of the comments made in the remainder of the thread.What a shame that you are saddened. Clearly it's everyone’s job to entertain and please you regardless of truth or facts, it's important to sweep any unpleasantness under the rug. |
FreddieDearie 20.09.2020 20:08 |
SM wrote: Thanks everyone. I'm sure my saying these things may ruffle some feathers but I can do nothing but say what I saw. I hope Mr.Freestone is doing well. I can't say I was very close with him but it wasnt from lack of character on his part. He just seemed very busy and I had more time chatting with Jim and Joe. I tried to chat with Ms.Austin but she never seemed interested. Jim seemed like just one of the lads so we got on well. Genuine bloke. Joe seemed the most emotionally exhausted by everything and my heart went out to the guy. I know he felt a great deal of guilt for some things that were simply beyond his control. Jim dealt with his grief by chatting with us and with the fans. Fans camped out for days and Jim was always out there to put a hand in their shoulder as he said he knew the fans felt a loss too. Perhaps this is too much information (forgive me Seamus) but I found him crying on a few occasions when discussing Freddie. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that his sadness came from losing Mr.Mercury and not from moving out of the house. I probably should keep things quiet but I will say Ms.Austin did not rely entirely on Mr.Beach to have them move. She made it very clear to them that she wanted nothing to do with them. Jim was hurt by that as he said he told her as Mr.Mercury was dying that he would be there for her should she need him. I do hope they buried the hatchet but as I said, Jim never told me as much. Over the years our conversations stuck to his health his family and lovely garden. The house he and Mr.Mercury built together was brilliant. He told me it was just Mr.Mercury's taste. Nice chatting with you all. Best wishes.Anyone who believes Freddie EVER expected Mary to adopt 3 grown ass men and continue to pay their way until they ”felt” like leaving are beyond easily bamboozled. Really? You REALLY buy that Freddie expected a heavily pregnant Mary with a toddler and a baby daddy to financially support 3 middle aged men indefinitely? Especially since Freddie had bought the three of them homes so they would have a place to go? I mean, I know that Freddie knew that Mary was very dedicated to him. But Freddie would never be that thoughtless to expect that if her, especially given the circumstances. Jim LIED about that, and Phoebe has since come out and confirmed that it wasn't at all like Hutton claimed. If those three men REALLY WERE thinking they were ENTITLED to have Mary coddle and adopt them in the wake of Freddie’s death, they were extremely unreasonable selfish. And anyone that thinks that Mary owed them any beyond than what she gave them are equally ridiculous. It is CRAZY THINKING to believe that Mary, who had an at-risk pregnancy, and a toddler to care for, not to mention continue to manage Freddie’s estate, and who had lost her best friend of over two decades... was supposed to be thinking of Joe Jim and Phoebe’s wishes above her own immediate needs. They were three middle aged men that were more than aware for weeks and months that Freddie’s end was relatively near and had plenty of time to think of arranging for their futures. Freddie had given them homes to move to. That ANYONE thinks Mary was indebted to go above and beyond what Freddie provided is absolutely absurd. |
FreddieDearie 20.09.2020 20:20 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: The house is hers for 50 years but any money or royalties she keeps and passes on after her death.I believe she inherited half his estate not the entire estate.His sister draws the other half since her parents are gone.Those tabloids lie so much.Wrong. The house and the Mews and all his private property were bequeathed to her completely. Jim Beach manages the Trust for 50 years at which point, the Trust will ”vest” in the named beneficiaries (whoever is still alive), and they will from then on have the responsibility for managing their own portion of the trust. If no one is alive (including Kash’s children) on Nov 24, 2041, the trust goes to named charities. |
CHEVYMAN 21.09.2020 22:52 |
I would be glad to see it go to charities when no one needs it any longer . He was such a generous man I think that would be a great way for any money to be used. But it will be a while with Mary’s boys being pretty well young men still. That’s what he intended it for though.He seemed to love his God children looking at the Garden lodge tapes of him and the baby of Mary’s in the tape.I enjoyed all his Garden lodge tapes with the picnic date and male friends where he had tables outside it was too short of a clip I could’ve watched that one all day.But again I like the style the men had back then in the nice shorts that fit their ass snug and they just look so neat and fresh I bet they were wearing some really good 80s cologne too. I even like their big hair.Okay I have had my fix I will stop.They always wore those tank tops that made it nice too!Let me add Mary was pretty as always too !!!!!Then Phoebe well He was Phoebe |
CHEVYMAN 21.09.2020 23:05 |
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FreddieDearie 27.09.2020 06:06 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I would be glad to see it go to charities when no one needs it any longer . He was such a generous man I think that would be a great way for any money to be used. But it will be a while with Mary’s boys being pretty well young men still. That’s what he intended it for though.He seemed to love his God children looking at the Garden lodge tapes of him and the baby of Mary’s in the tape.I enjoyed all his Garden lodge tapes with the picnic date and male friends where he had tables outside it was too short of a clip I could’ve watched that one all day.But again I like the style the men had back then in the nice shorts that fit their ass snug and they just look so neat and fresh I bet they were wearing some really good 80s cologne too. I even like their big hair.Okay I have had my fix I will stop.They always wore those tank tops that made it nice too!Let me add Mary was pretty as always too !!!!!Then Phoebe well He was PhoebeWell presuming both Mary and Kash are still living in Nov 24, 2041, at that point it all becomes there’s and presumably it will go to the kids, If Kash dirs early, the money will go to her kids. If Mary does early, I'm not sure if it goes to Kash or charity get their lot. |
FreddieDearie 27.09.2020 06:06 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I would be glad to see it go to charities when no one needs it any longer . He was such a generous man I think that would be a great way for any money to be used. But it will be a while with Mary’s boys being pretty well young men still. That’s what he intended it for though.He seemed to love his God children looking at the Garden lodge tapes of him and the baby of Mary’s in the tape.I enjoyed all his Garden lodge tapes with the picnic date and male friends where he had tables outside it was too short of a clip I could’ve watched that one all day.But again I like the style the men had back then in the nice shorts that fit their ass snug and they just look so neat and fresh I bet they were wearing some really good 80s cologne too. I even like their big hair.Okay I have had my fix I will stop.They always wore those tank tops that made it nice too!Let me add Mary was pretty as always too !!!!!Then Phoebe well He was PhoebeWell presuming both Mary and Kash are still living in Nov 24, 2041, at that point it all becomes there’s and presumably it will go to the kids, If Kash dirs early, the money will go to her kids. If Mary does early, I'm not sure if it goes to Kash or charity get their lot. |
sonic 05.10.2020 19:19 |
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sonic 05.10.2020 19:19 |
Will Thor and Lee's book finally come or is it all a scam, just to make a quick buck? |
FreddieDearie 09.10.2020 03:08 |
sonic wrote: Will Thor and Lee's book finally come or is it all a scam, just to make a quick buck?I would guess maybe something will come out. But I predict the pictures will be of relatively poor quality, and/or will be repetitive, and that most of them will have already been published in the sleazy documentary ”Freddie’s loves”. . AND of, course they’re looking to make a quick buck. They always lived off of Freddie for the clout whenever they could, nothing new now. |