fras444 24.11.2017 11:09 |
This is a subject that has been brought up many times I bet, over the last two decades AND.. on this forum... BUT.. Lets have a 2018 take.... Its coming up to 2018 and Queen, Brian, John Roger and Freddie are going to continue on from what they have been doing the last 26 years since they decided to..... and they will kick New years off with... How would Queen How would those headlines go?? Had Freddie lived the last 26 years and what would 2018 bring to us? Here in Taupo NZ, we have a summer concert. It has been going for the last five years and it has attracted some big acts.. Playing in this amazing outdoor venue to some 10-15000 people.. A three band line up.. We've had Lynard Skinard, Icehouse, REO Speed wagon, 10cc and others... Most of these well. all of these... Were... Big bands in the day... most are now made up of one or two original members... With what Roger and Brian are now proving today.... They are still more than some wine tour band touring with 70s/80s pop icons ... BUT... Would Queen have essentially become a... " Major... stadium sell out.. hits band..?" GnR being basically a "major" ROCK hits band in a sense that stands out to my mind... Although this band has been a one man band over the last 20 years.. The last year has seen them come to their closest complete and original line up... Even without Slash and Izzy... they/Axle still pulled in the masses and probably will continue to do so even if... Slash/Duff decides it was fun but.... What about a band that pulls out an album now and again??? My good mate and a dieheart Stones "from the very beginning!!!" fan would always preach his beloved band and everything about them but.... Even he has said, " I would never buy their 80s albums onwards...!!! absolute shite" (list all of them in release order) Would Queen have become a Stones, even a Iron Maiden or a Metallica band in that respect... Big bands that... Release some amazing albums compared with the shit we get today.. But still have masses of fans expecting them to play a complete setlist not containing any songs from their last 5 albums.??? Bands that are basically a complete and original lineup from day. Albeit, one minus one or two at the very most??? Have to say... Queen would have to be very few bands if any to have stood the test of time of their career.... Could they continue to stand the test of time (as in today...) Could they still go on to produce relevant and multi million selling albums in 2018.. ..? Which leads to the other direction Could.... Could Queen carry on to pull off the unthinkable and be an ACDC??? The only major band that stood the test of time, that still produces amazing albums from day one (ACDC although a very simple band.... They made a very simple structure and sound ageless!!!! Rock or Bust or even Black Ice!!! Say no more... Maybe Led Zep an exception albeit a decade.. Every album of Led Zep was consistent and relevant and very much like Queen where each album was different ) Have to Admit... When it comes to albums... Queen, straddling two, almost three decades.. They had been quite constant band from day one... To be able to change with the times and produce amazing albums... With each album producing A hit single....Whether it became a cult fan Fave but a commercial flop Queen I/II Even if it meant loosing some dieheart fans along the way.. Hotspace (Still produced a hit...)/The Game... (Queen I doesn't count as it has some of the most epic songs ever that almost spanned their entire live career) Would Queen been able to carry on from Miracle and Innuendo??? Taking out that element of what they were about. Especially the Miracle to an extent or a album made up of some of those songs not inspired by Freddie's illness.... Lets take out of the equation... The rumours of John planning on leaving and take in to consideration... The fact that they had lives and families... Carrying on from the gaps between HS-TW-M- and the Miracle... With slightly more extended breaks between albums... Lets say maybe a 5er between What path would have Queen gone down?? Where would Queen come from, the last 26 years and... In what capacity would Queen be in entering 2018 and beyond..... |
bradbobly 24.11.2017 11:59 |
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LOTV 24.11.2017 12:03 |
There is no way Fred would be poncing about as a sad old fart. He was way too special for that. Queen may have existed in some form but not as it was. I can see Fred as mainly a loan piano based performer, perhaps occasionally guesting with other artists. And had they toured on into the 90s lets face it his voice would be gone by now. |
Chopin1995 24.11.2017 13:08 |
I agree with LOTV that Queen "may have existed in some form but not as it was." I think John would be retired anyway, or "half retired" like he was in the 90s. Freddie was doing ballet in 1979 and "opera" in 1987 and 1988 so I'm 100% sure he would like to try more of this. I believe he would take some professional singing lessons (from M.Caballe) and perform as a opera singer in Metropolitan Opera or Royal Opera House. Maybe not as a soloist but some little role. Or doing a few opera concerts like Bocelli or The Three Tenors because, obviously, he wouldn't have been able to run around the stage like he used to. I would like to believe Montserrat and Freddie recorded "Barcelona II" because I love this album. Roger would continue his career as the singer of The Cross. And Brian would continue to play with The Brian May Band. 3 or 4 of them would play as a guest with other stars from time to time. Queen concerts would took place very occasionally (once/twice a year). And the life of a Queen fan would be more fun. And the best of this is that Q+AL would never existed :) One can dream |
Sebastian 24.11.2017 13:57 |
Chopin1995 wrote: I believe he would take some professional singing lessons (from M.Caballe)I'm not sure if she's a voice coach. Not every great singer is necessarily a great singing teacher. She may have given him pointers when they worked together but that's not the same as giving him genuinely lessons. If he'd gone that way - being trained by somebody else - he'd probably pick a bona fide singing tutor, perhaps one recommended by Montsy or someone who had taught her, if they were still around. Otherwise, I agree: they'd probably go their separate ways and get together for the occasional 'farewell' tour or special events such as Live 8, Rock in Rio, award ceremonies or paying homage to deceased colleagues. I wonder how Frederick would feel about the slight resurgence in unaccompanied vocal music (Pentatonix, films like Pitch Perfect, TV programmes like Glee, though they often featured instrumentation). With his talent, his creativity and the technological possibilities, he could've easily given the likes of Jacob Collier and Peter Hollens a run for their money, and at the same time helped popularise multi-track 'one-man choir' recordings. That would've been interesting. McCartney'd just turned 49 when his first classical work (composed in collaboration with Carl Davis) premiered. Jeff Lynne's big productions (outside ELO) also began taking off in his late forties, and Sting was 55 when he released his album of English Renaissance music composed in the 16th and 17th centuries (I absolutely adore that record, by the way). Had Fred been able to live that long, he would've probably managed to do some of that as well: more classical work, more producing, perhaps a couple of soundtracks. Or... he could've become a parody of his former self and spent his days producing fifth-division artists for a living, and getting annoyed at anyone who dared disagreeing with him. |
Graeme Arnott 24.11.2017 18:18 |
The bands legacy would be untarnished and this site would not have GLAMBERTS checking in and posting crap. |
Sebastian 24.11.2017 19:56 |
Perhaps Adam would be Frederick's favourite reality programme loser! |
queenfanbg 24.11.2017 23:25 |
"Perhaps Adam would be Frederick's favourite reality programme loser! " +1 |
matt z 25.11.2017 00:04 |
I think Freddie would've thrown a huge 69th birthday bash concert in las Vegas riding to the stage on a giant cock flying into two lips. ...the concert would be an orchestral 70's disco music review. Some of the usual gay icons would perform as guests. ...the whole thing would be in incredibly bad taste and the string section would be in g strings with lace blind folds to give the illusion of being blinded. Numerous arrests for various offenses and it'd be one massive self indulgent blunder. Fred would be balding but very much keenly wearing pompous wigs when going out in public. Queen would write several film themes and perform the odd show every 3-4 years. That is until Roger was kicked out for excessive weight concerns |
matt z 25.11.2017 01:11 |
I think Freddie would've also relocated to Switzerland and you'd only hear about him when courting a new star from hollyweird. After his 69th birthday bash i think his public persona would be tame. Maybe until a rare appearance in Rio. He would've been big time partying and going around with the Olympics. probably would've won a few Oscars for best original song/performancE on many animated features |
Chopin1995 25.11.2017 15:46 |
Sebastian wrote:You're right Sebastian. I saw some footage on youtube with masterclasses with Montsy and I assumed it is enough to make her a vocal tutor. But obviously she isn't. She is a opera singer. I know very well this is also how it works in sport and classical piano world. Horowitz might be the best pianist ever but that doesn't make him the best teacher. Greg Popovich is considered the best NBA coach now but he was far from being a great player.Chopin1995 wrote: I believe he would take some professional singing lessons (from M.Caballe)I'm not sure if she's a voice coach. Not every great singer is necessarily a great singing teacher. She may have given him pointers when they worked together but that's not the same as giving him genuinely lessons. If he'd gone that way - being trained by somebody else - he'd probably pick a bona fide singing tutor, perhaps one recommended by Montsy or someone who had taught her, if they were still around. Otherwise, I agree: they'd probably go their separate ways and get together for the occasional 'farewell' tour or special events such as Live 8, Rock in Rio, award ceremonies or paying homage to deceased colleagues. I wonder how Frederick would feel about the slight resurgence in unaccompanied vocal music (Pentatonix, films like Pitch Perfect, TV programmes like Glee, though they often featured instrumentation). With his talent, his creativity and the technological possibilities, he could've easily given the likes of Jacob Collier and Peter Hollens a run for their money, and at the same time helped popularise multi-track 'one-man choir' recordings. That would've been interesting. McCartney'd just turned 49 when his first classical work (composed in collaboration with Carl Davis) premiered. Jeff Lynne's big productions (outside ELO) also began taking off in his late forties, and Sting was 55 when he released his album of English Renaissance music composed in the 16th and 17th centuries (I absolutely adore that record, by the way). Had Fred been able to live that long, he would've probably managed to do some of that as well: more classical work, more producing, perhaps a couple of soundtracks. Or... he could've become a parody of his former self and spent his days producing fifth-division artists for a living, and getting annoyed at anyone who dared disagreeing with him. He even didn't make to NBA as a player. "multi-track 'one-man choir' " That should be interesting! Thanks for your suggestion about classical works of famous 'pop' musicians. I'll listen to the Sting's album for sure, following your opinion about it :) "Or... he could've become a parody of his former self and spent his days producing fifth-division artists for a living, and getting annoyed at anyone who dared disagreeing with him." This also could be possible, as we know ;) |
The Fairy King 26.11.2017 14:45 |
Probably wouldve been charged with rape and the band would've been broken up since the nineties and this board wouldnt have existed. |
Sebastian 26.11.2017 18:32 |
Regarding Sting, check this video: link |
matt z 27.11.2017 08:32 |
The Fairy King wrote: Probably wouldve been charged with rape and the band would've been broken up since the nineties and this board wouldnt have existed.FINALLY some positivity! |
Chopin1995 27.11.2017 11:14 |
Sebastian wrote: Regarding Sting, check this video: linkI especially like the 2nd half of this, from the lute solo. I always thought recording "multi-track 'one-man choir" as you name it must be great fun. I'd love to try it someday but I can't sing so far. Actually harmonies are probably my favourite aspect of music. One of the reasons I love Queen. |
Dr Magus 27.11.2017 12:01 |
Hmmm interesting question this. I think the last 26 years would have seen many more out of band excursions, solo efforts etc, but the Queen of Brian May, John Deacon, Roger Taylor and Freddie Mercury today would be the biggest entertainment attraction on the planet and no doubt they'd break and hold every attendance record in the book. |
Biggest Band On The Planet 27.11.2017 15:28 |
I wonder if Queen would of gone on forever the same way as U2 and Rolling Stones ? |
matt z 27.11.2017 18:29 |
The stones have almost 20 years on U2.... |
LOTV 28.11.2017 14:00 |
He wouldn't have been tasteless and gauche in old age. He was very clear , even in his pomp, that he didn't want to become a sad old fart. Things do change I suppose and money talks very loudly. I'd be very surprised if they'd have become a sad old dinosaur act, it's quite intriguing to speculate what kind of live persona he'd have adopted. Judging by Innuendo, unless they dropped off a cliff, Queen certainly had some good music left in them. I would have loved to have heard Fred sing OTGDY, although of course it probably would never have been written. |
Sebastian 28.11.2017 14:16 |
Maybe Brian would've written it for someone else (his mum, Lady Di, George Harrison a few years later). |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 29.11.2017 17:05 |
I have a feeling that Queen wouldn't have officially broken up or retired. They'd still do the one off TV special or charity concert. Hell, Freddie would definitely be raising money for AIDS research and fighting for a cure. Perhaps instead of Brian and Kerry, we'd see Brian and Freddie doing the intimate acoustic shows. Maybe we'd have seen Freddie on West End in a show in the same vein as We Will Rock You. I mean, the possibilities are endless. Although by now, 2017, I do see them kind of winding down in a sort of low-key, semi-state of retirement. |
Vocal harmony 30.11.2017 15:28 |
Graeme Arnott wrote: The bands legacy would be untarnished and this site would not have GLAMBERTS checking in and posting crap.The band's legacy is just that, a legacy. How does performing a gig or gigs change what they recorded or did. You can walk into HMV and find the same Queen albums on racks that you could 10 years ago. What really changes that legacy is what they choose to produce. Some fans have the view that 1980 onwards ruined the legacy, valid view with the huge change in direction that occurred on releases from that point. Oh a Freddie was still singing and performing. A few more Cosmos Rocks would be forgotten in any history of the band written in the future. But whether recorded or played live nothing changes what the band's history is already built on, and your view of Lambert or anyone else standing in Freddie's place is your view which is if pine but it isn't everyone's view and isn't enough to change the past. If it was they must have a piss poor legacy if it crumbles so quickly on the back of a few tours 30 years after the fact |
mike hunt 01.12.2017 13:55 |
It's not true Queen fans think 1980 onwards they ruined their legacy. The Game, while at the time left the original fans scratching their heads..It became a popular album for them. Looking back even the old fans can't deny it's a good Rock n Roll Record. Of course live Aid in 1985 is still considered one of Queens signature moments. The rest of the studo albums post 1980 were uneven, but even those records had great songs that people still know and love. I heard plenty of fans mention stuff like who wants to live forever, princess of the universe and The Show Must Go on...among others as their favorite songs. Innuendo was never a popular album like the older stuff but it's like that for almost every band, and that album is a fan favorite....after MIH They fell apart as far as being creative. The reason for that is obvious, if you want to admit that fact or not is up too you. ...I do agree nothing Brian And Roger did or will do will damage the Queen legacy. Lambert is Just filling in until they retire. I'm not a fan of Queen +, it feels cheap, but that's what they choose to do....now I'm putting on Sheer Heart Attack on, then for the later years Innuendo. Yesterday I put on the excellent Barcelona. |
mike hunt 01.12.2017 13:57 |
mike hunt wrote: It's not true Queen fans think 1980 onwards they ruined their legacy. The Game, while at the time left the original fans scratching their heads..It becamea popular album for them. Looking back even the old fans can't deny it's a good Rock n Roll Record. Of course live Aid in 1985 is still considered one of Queens signature moments. The rest of the studo albums post 1980 were uneven, but even those records had great songs that people still know and love. I heard plenty of fans mention stuff like who wants to live forever, princess of the universe and The Show Must Go on...among others as their favorite songs. Innuendo was never a popular album like the older stuff but it's like that for almost every band, and that album is a fan favorite. Since those last freddie came out on Innuendo They fell apart as far as being creative. The reason for that is obvious, if you want to admit that fact or not is up too you. ...I do agree nothing Brian And Roger did or will do will damage the Queen legacy. Lambert is Just filling in until they retire. I'm not a fan of Queen +, it feels cheap, but that what they choose to do....now I'm putting on Sheer Heart Attack, then for the later years Innuendo. Yesterday I put on the excellent Barcelona. |
mike hunt 01.12.2017 13:58 |
mike hunt wrote: It's not true Queen fans think 1980 onwards they ruined their legacy. The Game, while at the time left the original fans scratching their heads..It becamea popular album for them. Looking back even the old fans can't deny it's a good Rock n Roll Record. Of course live Aid in 1985 is still considered one of Queens signature moments. The rest of the studo albums post 1980 were uneven, but even those records had great songs that people still know and love. I heard plenty of fans mention stuff like who wants to live forever, princess of the universe and The Show Must Go on...among others as their favorite songs. Innuendo was never a popular album like the older stuff but it's like that for almost every band, and that album is a fan favorite. Since those last freddie came out on Innuendo They fell apart as far as being creative. The reason for that is obvious, if you want to admit that fact or not is up too you. ...I do agree nothing Brian And Roger did or will do will damage the Queen legacy. Lambert is Just filling in until they retire. I'm not a fan of Queen +, it feels cheap, but that what they choose to do....now I'm putting on Sheer Heart Attack, then for the later years Innuendo. Yesterday I put on the excellent Barcelona. |
mike hunt 01.12.2017 13:58 |
mike hunt wrote: It's not true Queen fans think 1980 onwards they ruined their legacy. The Game, while at the time left the original fans scratching their heads..It becamea popular album for them. Looking back even the old fans can't deny it's a good Rock n Roll Record. Of course live Aid in 1985 is still considered one of Queens signature moments. The rest of the studo albums post 1980 were uneven, but even those records had great songs that people still know and love. I heard plenty of fans mention stuff like who wants to live forever, princess of the universe and The Show Must Go on...among others as their favorite songs. Innuendo was never a popular album like the older stuff but it's like that for almost every band, and that album is a fan favorite. Since those last freddie came out on Innuendo They fell apart as far as being creative. The reason for that is obvious, if you want to admit that fact or not is up too you. ...I do agree nothing Brian And Roger did or will do will damage the Queen legacy. Lambert is Just filling in until they retire. I'm not a fan of Queen +, it feels cheap, but that what they choose to do....now I'm putting on Sheer Heart Attack, then for the later years Innuendo. Yesterday I put on the excellent Barcelona. |
mike hunt 01.12.2017 13:59 |
mike hunt wrote: It's not true Queen fans think 1980 onwards they ruined their legacy. The Game, while at the time left the original fans scratching their heads..It becamea popular album for them. Looking back even the old fans can't deny it's a good Rock n Roll Record. Of course live Aid in 1985 is still considered one of Queens signature moments. The rest of the studo albums post 1980 were uneven, but even those records had great songs that people still know and love. I heard plenty of fans mention stuff like who wants to live forever, princess of the universe and The Show Must Go on...among others as their favorite songs. Innuendo was never a popular album like the older stuff but it's like that for almost every band, and that album is a fan favorite. Since those last freddie came out on Innuendo They fell apart as far as being creative. The reason for that is obvious, if you want to admit that fact or not is up too you. ...I do agree nothing Brian And Roger did or will do will damage the Queen legacy. Lambert is Just filling in until they retire. I'm not a fan of Queen +, it feels cheap, but that what they choose to do....now I'm putting on Sheer Heart Attack, then for the later years Innuendo. Yesterday I put on the excellent Barcelona. |
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dudley-fufkin 7834 03.12.2017 13:50 |
If freddie was still alive, queen wouldnt have been half as popular as they are now. A lot of the back catalogue was in the limelight after he died. I think they would have faded out as a band and maybe did the odd show like the olympics 2012. Freddie would be slightly overweight, balding, and grey, but maybe dyed his hair jet black. He would be one of the judges on the voice, He would be out as a gay man by now, and maybe would have done a duet with george michael at one point, maybe a solo album of collaborations once the band faded out. |
mike hunt 04.12.2017 15:07 |
Queen still were making hits while Mercury was still alive....not on the level of Bo Rhap and Champions but still hits. Innuendo (their last album with Freddie) topped the charts in the UK. The album was a hit worldwide. Even in America I remember the radio playing the title track and Headlong. If Mercury was healthy and announced a huge American tour songs like I want It All (just missed the top 40) and Innuendo would of been legit hits, a tour means more radio play, so Ill go in the other direction and say Queen would have made it in America again during The Miracle/Innuendo days if they toured. Freddie would have done a Barcelona 2. Being creative because he wasn't partying and clubbing as much. Brian would have progressed as a guitarist making more songs like Bijiou. In the states it wasn't freddie's death that got them back on the Map, it was that silly movie Waynes World. |
mike hunt 04.12.2017 15:12 |
This was also before grunge took off, so 89 to 92 would have been the American comeback. After that, I agree Grunge and Rap would of made Queen go away for a while. Then eventually making another comeback. Like kid rock said, If Mercury was alive today he would of been treated like a god. |
fras444 05.12.2017 00:58 |
^ Could have Queen gone down the road of grunge style? Albeit, I want it all/stripped down style? Brian mentions that, that video and style was a tease/an exciting insight to what queen could have done in the 90s. |
fras444 05.12.2017 01:05 |
If you took away the rumour to John retiring or at the very least... taking a step back for family.... I felt that Queen had lots in the tank for some potentially good albums... John sing writing contributions had a major set up to their last two "80s" albums... Brian was exploring new and exciting techniques with his guitar... |
mike hunt 05.12.2017 14:02 |
I agree! Sky was the limit for them...I feel 87/88 was enough time for rest. In 89 Freddie would be getting restless and getting that feeling of let's give these people the best show they ever saw. 3 years without touring would also give John the rest he craved and spend time with his family. I think 1990 when they finished recording Innuendo would of been the perfect time. That would give them 4 years between tours. As far as John goes. I think his songwriting days as a hit maker were over. He still would play a steady bass. |
adreme13 06.12.2017 17:25 |
I personally don't think Freddie would have kept touring as he was after he turned 50 or so. I can see him recording music and getting involved with other people's projects though. |
mike hunt 06.12.2017 18:47 |
I do agree with that.....early 90's would of been it. His Mid 40's era. With the occasional appearance here and there for special events like the Rock n Roll hall of fame. I could he see him recording with Queen every 4 years and collaborate with other artists. But by 70 he would be retired from recording as well. |
miraclesteinway 06.12.2017 21:18 |
I think Freddie would have seen Mick Jagger and not have been able to resist going out on the stage in his 60s and now his 70s (presuming he was healthy and never caught HIV). There'd be the contingent on this forum making fun of him, saying his albums weren't up to scratch, saying that his voice is a shadow of what it once was, saying that Queen are not the band they once were and that they should give up. With every subsequent solo project there would be the group of people saying 'why did he have to release that' or what so now he's written a ballet score?' or whatever..... The collaboration he did with David Bowie on their 2015 musical would have been artistically great but the forum would have slated it.... LMAO Nah I'm just joking, but sometimes it does seem round here that it's a Queen hate group... |
fras444 06.12.2017 22:29 |
I do think that John writing his own hits/songs was more coming to an end but collaborations wise... the last two 80s albums he had almost 6-7 8 potential songs to his credit, 7-8 of which was a collaboration with Freddie so.... Could he have continued with that and collaborated more with Freddie? That's if.... If queen carried on/Freddie was not ill.... would it have stayed as a sole song writer got all the credits or would it have always gone towards the shared songwriting credits? |
miraclesteinway 06.12.2017 23:00 |
Oooh now you're asking a difficult question. Was the decision to combine writing credits because Freddie was ill? Well. I'm not sure. According to some people, Freddie didn't tell the band until 1990 or 1991, and so we'd have to know whose idea it was. If it was Freddie's idea, it's quite possible that it was because he knew he was ill. It could simply have been that they decided to grow up a bit and not get into the usual bickering and fights that were a constant feature of the previous albums. Now it seems that the songs from Innuendo and The Miracle are being re-credited to the original writers -if not necessarily officially. Brian has said that The Miracle was Freddie's, I want it all was his, Headlong was his (obviously actually), The Show Must Go On was his, Bijou and Delilah were Freddie's, but they were all credited to Queen. My guess is that some songs would have been virtually completed by one person before recording, and others would have developed. Some would have had an instigator and then they'd all have contributed. But that doesn't answer the question as to exactly why they chose to take this route at that point. One Vision was credited to Queen, perhaps that way of working suited them when they returned to the studio after A Kind Of Magic? I don't know. |
mike hunt 11.12.2017 16:07 |
The band knew by the end of 88, the start Of The Miracle sessions. So maybe It had something to do with that. They obviously knew by the time they finished the album. |
miraclesteinway 18.12.2017 11:09 |
Now, I thought the band knew by The Miracle sessions, but then I've read recently that they didn't know until Innuendo, which conflicts with what I thought I'd heard previously. |
mike hunt 18.12.2017 15:09 |
Come on now....he told the band by the end of 88. I remember the Interview I read..even if by some chance that source was wrong and Freddie told them during Innuendo (which is not true) It would be so obvious at that point anyway. It makes sense....by the time The Miracle was finished the band knew, putting their egos aside they decided to give all 4 members credit for all the songs. I remember the Aids rumor was already in full swing when The Miracle came out. The band was already asked about the rumor and Roger in protecting freddie mode Answered Freddie is healthy and singing better than ever on their new album. |