QueenZone discussion #1492779

pankakesnotstellar wrote: Get over your propensity to whine...? The truth is that Adam has a huge effect on Queen's legacy for new and young fans. As far as vocal range, technique and general singing abilities are concerned Adam Lambert is a way better than Freddie had ever been. You all may say Freddie is a rock icon and a legendary fiqure with breathtaking timbre and remarkable performing charisma (I don't know how much of this is true), yet judging only vocal abilities he never was really that good of a singer. Lambert is a trained singer with a scale to perform each Queen song even higher than Freddie originally did. Look at the concert tapes, Freddie never sang each high tone while Adam sings them all and even more still looking absolutely unspoiled. I think it would be hard to find nowadays better voice than Adam has in the top mainstream, probably best rock singer of the young generation right now.? Adam is a Gift from God and Brian never said anything about how good of a singer Freddie was. Just accept that Adam is the king of Queen....

SweetCaroline wrote: No one is tearing down Freddie!

Kuijpy wrote: Im gonna kick down al the glambert fans in amsterdam.

Bullet with Butterfly Wings wrote: Cheers for that post, people on streets. Very true. I've often said the biggest test for Lambert will be once Q+AL is over.

Kuijpy wrote: Im gonna kick down al the glambert fans in amsterdam.

dsmeer wrote: Adam is a Hologram, he does not exist in real life. He was invented by Brain.

QueenTwo wrote: Wouldn't normally reply to a post like this, BUT FACT.....GLAMBERT USES PLAYBACK AND AUTO-TUNE ONSTAGE..TRUE FACT They even BRIAN would probably deny this but he does...you should hear GLAMBERT during a soundcheck without any help...mmmmmmm he's torture.....AND AGAIN ONLY SAYING BECAUSE IT'S A FACT...

philip storey wrote: ....One of the best concerts I ever witnessed was Knebworth 86 and Newcastle on the same tour.AL would never have been able to do Knebworth in front of some 150,000 Queen fans,no way.Lamberts albums are a mess....

philip storey wrote: Are you taking your meds ? You are seriously comparing Adam Lambert to Freddie Mercury ? Go and join the AL Fan Club,but please don't make yourself look like a complete tosser on this site ,you will get eaten alive.Freddie is like a god to Queen fans who followed rock music in the 70s and saw him in concert with Brian,Roger and John.

philip storey wrote: Are you taking your meds ? . . . . . . Go and join the AL Fan Club,but please don't make yourself look like a complete tosser . . . .

pankakesnotstellar wrote: mindless tat

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy misses me on QOL. Why else did she follow me here? She managed to get everiyone else banned or vanquished from there. There is no good reason why fans who enjoy this wonderful collaboration should not be welcome here or there. Diehard fans should be happy that someone like Adam came along to keep those wonderful older guys touring and happy!

snifflese wrote: He sounds better live than in the studio.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

snifflese wrote: He sounds better live than in the studio.

Let's assume for a moment, just for the sake of argument, that this remark is actually factual and not just an exercise in stepford fandom: If any artist sounds better live than he/she does in the studio, that should make anyone with even a cursory understanding of recording technology and live audio extremely suspicious. Assuming that the studio recordings in question are not of an utterly sub-par quality, this would be a virtual guarantee that the live sound has been severely doctored with. You simply can't replicate the nigh-on perfect conditions for recording vocals (not to mention post-processing and the use of equipment, like sensitive kinds of microphones, that would simply not be usable in a noisy setting like a concert) that you have in a studio on stage. In fact, if any artist sounds better live than in the studio, I would seriously suspect that a Milli Vanilli was being pulled by someone without the good sense to make the lie believable. But let's be real here - AL doesn't sound "better live than in the studio", you just want him to be absolutely perfect and damn the facts.

snifflese wrote: That is exactly what I meant, Rockchick! I am not sure why Stepford fandom is immediately brought up. I have read thousands of times where people posting on social media mention that Adam sounds better live. I have also seen him twice with QAL (and have the Japanese DVD of their concert there) and seen all of his tours. To me he almost always sounds better live. Don't know what to tell you! They do bring the EDM music to the fore and it does Adam's songs no favors. His was a voice meant to be heard, not covered up. He also, as she says, loves to change it up. I have seen several shows in the same tour and the songs are quite often different. He is a vocalist and never sings anything the same. He may sing it with higher notes, drop a few, change the speed and rhythm, riff where he didn't riff before. There are all sorts of things changed up. Then nothing beats that live sound of having the music actually surround you! I am sorry, but I don't think a recorded CD of a concert beats being there. No way, no how and Adam is the best live singer we have right now. He is almost always spot on! (Except for those AMA awards that one time!!) That voice is front and center and he performs! I have all his CD's and seen him many times and I stand by my opinion that he is a better live singer! I don't care what tech and science say. Music is about feeling and I feel his music much more at a concert and that is where you hear the full majesty of his voice, not so on a CD!

snifflese wrote: That is exactly what I meant, Rockchick! I am not sure why Stepford fandom is immediately brought up. I have read thousands of times where people posting on social media mention that Adam sounds better live. I have also seen him twice with QAL (and have the Japanese DVD of their concert there) and seen all of his tours. To me he almost always sounds better live. Don't know what to tell you! They do bring the EDM music to the fore and it does Adam's songs no favors. His was a voice meant to be heard, not covered up. He also, as she says, loves to change it up. I have seen several shows in the same tour and the songs are quite often different. He is a vocalist and never sings anything the same. He may sing it with higher notes, drop a few, change the speed and rhythm, riff where he didn't riff before. There are all sorts of things changed up. Then nothing beats that live sound of having the music actually surround you! I am sorry, but I don't think a recorded CD of a concert beats being there. No way, no how and Adam is the best live singer we have right now. He is almost always spot on! (Except for those AMA awards that one time!!) That voice is front and center and he performs! I have all his CD's and seen him many times and I stand by my opinion that he is a better live singer! I don't care what tech and science say. Music is about feeling and I feel his music much more at a concert and that is where you hear the full majesty of his voice, not so on a CD!

SweetCaroline wrote: I guess I missed that one. it does prove MY point if you have never heard Adam singing LIVE! Videos, live streams and periscopes don’t count!

snifflese wrote: Ok, Icy, I thought you were turning over a new leaf, but I guess that would be too much to ask! In one post you say she is stubborn, stupid and obvious. Why do you do that? You are not taking any real part in the discussion. You never do. You may say one sentence and that is it. I have never heard a real discussion from you. Ignore Caroline, please, and think about the discussion and what you want to bring to it. Trust me, you can't critique a concert like Queen when there is so much spectacle, with the strobe lights and the fog, the interplay between the audience and the performers and the interplay between them. The sound of the music is nothing like the recorded youtube. It just isn't. Relying on videos that are taped over audience chatter and lousy singing isn't an accurate representation of the music. You also can't feel the audience reaction and according to you they hated the couch, the bike. No, they love it based on tons of comments I have read. You have to be there to feel it! I don't know what else to tell you. My POV is based on at least 10 concerts, so it should have some validity. Then I have probably read thousands of comments from fans and blogs, etc. My POV is probably much more based on fact, even though opinion does enter into it!

snifflese wrote: No, Icy, it is not defending Sweet Caroling necessarily. I am just sick and tired of all the name calling you do. You do it on QOL also. Anybody you don't agree with, but in particular with Caroline. Can't we just discuss without being ugly? I am not the only one saying that. I believe there was a Nicki maybe on QOL yesterday who mentioned the two of you by name and asked also if this nonsense could stop. I truly don't see Caroline calling you names. She tries to ignore you and has offered an olive branch before. No one cares about the ban or your issues with her. That is not what the forum is for. It is to talk about the band. Can you not get that thru your head? This is not a personal Icy site!!! Your arguments take over a good part of every thread and they are pure garbage, just name calling and nastiness. Who cares if there were 3 nights that a couple of lines were wrong? Do you think that Freddie, as messed up as he was at times, went on stage and sang perfectly? I doubt it! Lucky there were no phones to catch it!! I have read where Brian says no one even knew until the last minute occasionally, if he would even perform. A few botched lyrics is small stuff. How you would know if effort was "put in", I really don't know. Do you have a direct line to Brian and Roger? Scripted shows are everywhere in concerts. They do them the same pretty much every night as no one wants big gaffes caught on camera. The artists have a certain amt. of time and they know exactly how long each song is and how much banter can fit in. The dancers are all synched up with them and there is no deviation from the script! If you don't know that, you don't know much. I doubt that any top group or artist goes out on a big tour totally clueless and just lets it rip! As far as set list, most concert goers love the hits. That is what they go to hear!! They don't know all the deep cuts and wouldn't appreciate what they don't know. The two dropped songs were not well received, according to Brian, so they are allowed to change the set. I don't see anyone complaining except the die hards on the Queen sites. It also has to do with Adam's singing workload. He sings a lot of really tough songs and adding another may be too much. I think that is why The Show Must Go On is no longer after WWTLF. The band has numerous things to consider when they put together a set list. This year"s set list works, 99% of the fans are ever so pleased. You are entitled to your opinion, but we have heard way too many times about the botched lyrics. That doesn't make it a less successful tour. I saw both of them and this tour was leaps and bounds better than the first. How can you not be be better if you have played together for 3 more years? You are the only person who has said this show was not as good as the first one! Goes to show you sure didn't see it!

snifflese wrote: I am done, Icy! You can be the Bitch Queen! I only posted to tell you how unpleasant the quarreling is, but you don't get it. From now on I skip anything with your name, as you never talk about a real topic unless it is to pick AL and Queen apart or Sweet Caroline! Go for it! Maybe other folks can have pleasant discussions by just ignoring. Nobody cares about your posts and little tiffs with other posters.

snifflese wrote: Last response! I told you that i came to post to tell you how unpleasant I find your posts to everyone. Now I have told you multiple times and I am done. It doesn't compute with you. You resort to nasty words and ridiculous statements. I have already written more info about Queen and Adam and offered more thoughts than I think you have in all the years I have read your posts. Go read the last several posts. There are a lot of things in my posts to discuss. I am not bigging up AL. That is your problem right there. It can only be Freddie who anyone bigs up. Your problem, not mine. As far as deprecating Queen, you're kidding me, right? You have had many not so kind words about Roger and Brian since QAL's inception. Brian especially takes a hit from you. Can't really remember anything complimentary about them that you have written to be honest. They are basically idiots who big AL up and should either quit or find someone else. Maybe a small solo show (anything that doesn't include Adam basically) which would be very tiring at their age. I don't think their voices could handle a whole show singing. According to you, only Freddie and John (who does zip, but that is a plus in your universe!) deserve bigging up. I think you keep mentioning how John and Freddie should have bigger parts in the show. Not quite sure why. I think it is perfect as it is and so do millions of happy folks. I have been a Queen fan my whole life. I was in my early 20's in the 1970's and I had their records and later on their CD's. I am just not fixated on the Godlike Freddie. It would be a different thing if he were still alive, but he can't sing with them , so they have done the next best thing. They found a singer who can sing their whole catalog and someone they like and have fun with. I don't know why you would begrudge them that and it is obvious that you do. This does not in any way detract from Queen and Freddie. It is a way to keep the music alive and have fun while doing it! Everyone reveres Freddie and thousands of younger people have now opened their hearts to his music. What could be better?

Invisible Woman wrote: SweetCaroline said videos and live streams don't count. Why not? If it don't count why then you always give links for it in this forum? Everything is counted if you ask me. Thanks to videos and You Tube many,many people who didn't have the opportunity for some reasons or were little children or were not born at the time when Freddie performed live they saw and heard a lot of his live performing and feel his magic.That's something good and not something that doesn't count. I watched live both of them,Freddie and Adam,only over the videos. Of course it's not the same to be present at the concert, but I can say based on videos what I like more. So I can say this: I don't see anything special about Adam's performances either in singing or in the context of a stage performance. I don't like how he sings Queen songs, especially Who wants to live forever,The Show Must Go On,Crazy Litlle Thing Called Love etc. I like how Freddie sang all these songs and how he performed on the stage. For me, listening to Freddie's recorded songs is a thousand times better than Adam's live performances. I don't intention to insult anyone with these words, I just say what I prefer and what I think. Thats all from me in this thread.

snifflese wrote: Last response! I told you that i came to post to tell you how unpleasant I find your posts to everyone. Now I have told you multiple times and I am done. It doesn't compute with you. You resort to nasty words and ridiculous statements. I have already written more info about Queen and Adam and offered more thoughts than I think you have in all the years I have read your posts. Go read the last several posts. There are a lot of things in my posts to discuss. I am not bigging up AL. That is your problem right there. It can only be Freddie who anyone bigs up. Your problem, not mine. As far as deprecating Queen, you're kidding me, right? You have had many not so kind words about Roger and Brian since QAL's inception. Brian especially takes a hit from you. Can't really remember anything complimentary about them that you have written to be honest. They are basically idiots who big AL up and should either quit or find someone else. Maybe a small solo show (anything that doesn't include Adam basically) which would be very tiring at their age. I don't think their voices could handle a whole show singing. According to you, only Freddie and John (who does zip, but that is a plus in your universe!) deserve bigging up. I think you keep mentioning how John and Freddie should have bigger parts in the show. Not quite sure why. I think it is perfect as it is and so do millions of happy folks. I have been a Queen fan my whole life. I was in my early 20's in the 1970's and I had their records and later on their CD's. I am just not fixated on the Godlike Freddie. It would be a different thing if he were still alive, but he can't sing with them , so they have done the next best thing. They found a singer who can sing their whole catalog and someone they like and have fun with. I don't know why you would begrudge them that and it is obvious that you do. This does not in any way detract from Queen and Freddie. It is a way to keep the music alive and have fun while doing it! Everyone reveres Freddie and thousands of younger people have now opened their hearts to his music. What could be better?

snifflese wrote: This is a QAL forum so I guess videos and links of the band members are fair game. Lots of artist forums are esp fond of videos of high notes. There was one website that just tracked that stuff for comparison's sake. Can't remember the name. There were lists for everything pertaining to the actual voice. I spent a lot of time on that site years ago and it wasn't because of Adam. It probably is still around! People who are interested in the vocals, might just find that something they would like to look at and discuss. Comparisons of range, how long notes are held, etc are quite fascinating sometimes. Everyone else can ignore if it is not breaking the rules. Just scroll over if it doesn't interest you. I like to look at videos of different singers and see the comparisons. I find it very interesting to learn more about the actual voices! Some of the social media not so much, but discussions of vocals, that is cool! One of the other Adam sites has a huge long thread that has been there since AI, and it is moderated by a vocal teacher and singer who answers all sorts of singing questions. Reading the comments, see her insights, and looking at videos, is one of my favorite things. I always look to see if something new is posted!

SweetCaroline wrote: Live Adam riffing his little heart out:

Vocal harmony wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Live Adam riffing his little heart out:

You make it sound like you're talking about a three year old!

Bullet with Butterfly Wings wrote:

Vocal harmony wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Live Adam riffing his little heart out:

You make it sound like you're talking about a three year old!

Not quite. The way she posts at times makes it seem like she's the three year old ;-)

SweetCaroline wrote: Gosh if I am being compared to a 3-year-old I should be happy that I’m not being compared to a bitter, old and stodgey woman like some others in this forum!

SweetCaroline wrote: Gosh if I am being compared to a 3-year-old I should be happy that I’m not being compared to a bitter, old and stodgey woman like some others in this forum!

SweetCaroline wrote: I absolutely do NOT have a sexual fixation on Adam. He is very easy on the eyes and I love that he is so talented and so funny and articulate when being interviewed. I have been upset that he hasn’t gotten the recognition from the music industry that others have, but he is doing fine and probably laughing all of the way to the bank!

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy, do yourself a favor and STFU !!!!!

SweetCaroline wrote: . . . . . . . . just keep going on and on and on!

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy, you are doing to some other people on QOL what you have done to me and others that led to people being banned or just getting disgusted and going away. That’s what I mean when I tell you to STFU. You want people to respect your opinion but you don’t respect anyone else’s and you just keep going on and on and on!

Vocal harmony wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: . . . . . . . . just keep going on and on and on!

Unlike your Adam is magnificent posts and links which you've only ever posted once!

snifflese wrote: Wow, Icy. Here you are again bullying Caroline. You keep playing the poor me card and all the homophobia, etc, and bad things that have happened to you. I would have thought it would have made you a compassionate person. I guess you have not learned a thing. You are the worst internet bully I have ever seen. You twist everything around even tho half of it makes no sense. Too bad they don’t ban here. You deserve it!

Bullet with Butterfly Wings wrote:

Vocal harmony wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: . . . . . . . . just keep going on and on and on!

Unlike your Adam is magnificent posts and links which you've only ever posted once!

Don't forget he is perfect, no matter what ;-).

Vocal harmony wrote:

Bullet with Butterfly Wings wrote:

Vocal harmony wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: . . . . . . . . just keep going on and on and on!

Unlike your Adam is magnificent posts and links which you've only ever posted once!

Don't forget he is perfect, no matter what ;-).

Yes of course, how stupid of me. . . . . . Magnificently perfect, dressed in pink on his pink tricycle, the perfect setting to show off and prove his untouchable never heard before (or since) operatic vocal range and qualities! I think that just about covers it, him and her view ;)

SweetCaroline wrote: Yup, Adam is VERY good looking — and magnificent! LOL

snifflese wrote: I think she is being sarcastic!! Yea, what is wrong with good looks? That is part of the whole package of a star usually (there are exceptions!!). If you have a musical ability, personality and are easy on the eyes, I would say that your chances are greater at being successful than an ugly individual. It applies in most aspects of life. Tall businessmen with a lot of hair and good looks are hired over ugly dudes. Hot women often get a job over their ugly step sister. That is just an unfortunate reality of life! The Voice bases its show on the fact that looks are not going to impact their decision as to who could be a Star, so it is pretty generally recognized that good lookers find the star at the end of the day. Look at the movie idols (Elvis, Gregory Peck, Brad Pitt, etc, etc). I doubt Elvis would have gotten where he was without his looks. It applies nowadays also, maybe not as much as there are a few homely singers (not mentioning names), but it is an advantage to be sexy and hot! I will be honest, I would prefer to look at someone really nice looking at a show than a really ugly person. If that makes me shallow, oh well. I always loved Roger and Brian when I was young as they were dreamy. Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me. It seems a lot of the early Queen fans were dudes and they could care less about looks or being macho, so Freddie appealed greatly to them. To me not so much! I think nowadays there seem to be a lot more women as new fans and they must be shallow just like me. They seem to appreciate Adam for his singing prowess and being hot doesn't hurt!! All kidding aside, Adam is appreciated mainly for the voice. I have read thousands of individual reviews and newspaper reviews and it is mainly about his voice. I think that is what Caroline really means, but hey, being good looking doesn't hurt. It just might seal the deal!!

Stick wrote: Laughed a lot tonight while reading this thread. This sweetcaroline seems to have the same mental affliction as that cnb creature on queenonline. who is just as blind to her own words and actions as this one here. Are they the same creature or is this a Glambert thing/ They both provide a lot of entertainment but it's still sad to see people, who clearly have a very blurred and biased view of themselves, so convinced that what they are posting is a rational argument when everybody else can see that it doesn't even come close. So many people in general never had that part of them properly developed but are still babbling away on forums or in public. Of course, when they hang around people who are just as under developed in this area, they have no reason to notice it. But I keep wondering, with all those official video debates on topics of religion or whatever where highly skilled debaters are presented, why don't they notice that their way of thinking and talking about things and forming "opinions" is clearly atrocious when compared to the way these debaters/researchers go about it. Kuddos to bullet with butterfly wings for clearly being better at this type of thing than sweetcaroline. It just oozes out of her posts. Not always but a hell of a lot more than others. I guess most people are just (deliberately) blind to their own way of going about things out of sheer arrogance or fear of self-confrontation. Also, children can do it, so at what age do most of us lose this functionality and become stuck in our ways without a chance of improvement? It's like watching a dog trying to get a very large stick through the door, try as it might it will never understand why it doesn't work. Breaks your heart doesn't it?

snifflese wrote: I think she is being sarcastic!! Yea, what is wrong with good looks? That is part of the whole package of a star usually (there are exceptions!!). If you have a musical ability, personality and are easy on the eyes, I would say that your chances are greater at being successful than an ugly individual. It applies in most aspects of life. Tall businessmen with a lot of hair and good looks are hired over ugly dudes. Hot women often get a job over their ugly step sister. That is just an unfortunate reality of life! The Voice bases its show on the fact that looks are not going to impact their decision as to who could be a Star, so it is pretty generally recognized that good lookers find the star at the end of the day. Look at the movie idols (Elvis, Gregory Peck, Brad Pitt, etc, etc). I doubt Elvis would have gotten where he was without his looks. It applies nowadays also, maybe not as much as there are a few homely singers (not mentioning names), but it is an advantage to be sexy and hot! I will be honest, I would prefer to look at someone really nice looking at a show than a really ugly person. If that makes me shallow, oh well. I always loved Roger and Brian when I was young as they were dreamy. Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me. It seems a lot of the early Queen fans were dudes and they could care less about looks or being macho, so Freddie appealed greatly to them. To me not so much! I think nowadays there seem to be a lot more women as new fans and they must be shallow just like me. They seem to appreciate Adam for his singing prowess and being hot doesn't hurt!! All kidding aside, Adam is appreciated mainly for the voice. I have read thousands of individual reviews and newspaper reviews and it is mainly about his voice. I think that is what Caroline really means, but hey, being good looking doesn't hurt. It just might seal the deal!!

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: I think she is being sarcastic!! Yea, what is wrong with good looks? That is part of the whole package of a star usually (there are exceptions!!). If you have a musical ability, personality and are easy on the eyes, I would say that your chances are greater at being successful than an ugly individual. It applies in most aspects of life. Tall businessmen with a lot of hair and good looks are hired over ugly dudes. Hot women often get a job over their ugly step sister. That is just an unfortunate reality of life! The Voice bases its show on the fact that looks are not going to impact their decision as to who could be a Star, so it is pretty generally recognized that good lookers find the star at the end of the day. Look at the movie idols (Elvis, Gregory Peck, Brad Pitt, etc, etc). I doubt Elvis would have gotten where he was without his looks. It applies nowadays also, maybe not as much as there are a few homely singers (not mentioning names), but it is an advantage to be sexy and hot! I will be honest, I would prefer to look at someone really nice looking at a show than a really ugly person. If that makes me shallow, oh well. I always loved Roger and Brian when I was young as they were dreamy. Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me. It seems a lot of the early Queen fans were dudes and they could care less about looks or being macho, so Freddie appealed greatly to them. To me not so much! I think nowadays there seem to be a lot more women as new fans and they must be shallow just like me. They seem to appreciate Adam for his singing prowess and being hot doesn't hurt!! All kidding aside, Adam is appreciated mainly for the voice. I have read thousands of individual reviews and newspaper reviews and it is mainly about his voice. I think that is what Caroline really means, but hey, being good looking doesn't hurt. It just might seal the deal!!

Holy fuck

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: I think she is being sarcastic!! Yea, what is wrong with good looks? That is part of the whole package of a star usually (there are exceptions!!). If you have a musical ability, personality and are easy on the eyes, I would say that your chances are greater at being successful than an ugly individual. It applies in most aspects of life. Tall businessmen with a lot of hair and good looks are hired over ugly dudes. Hot women often get a job over their ugly step sister. That is just an unfortunate reality of life! The Voice bases its show on the fact that looks are not going to impact their decision as to who could be a Star, so it is pretty generally recognized that good lookers find the star at the end of the day. Look at the movie idols (Elvis, Gregory Peck, Brad Pitt, etc, etc). I doubt Elvis would have gotten where he was without his looks. It applies nowadays also, maybe not as much as there are a few homely singers (not mentioning names), but it is an advantage to be sexy and hot! I will be honest, I would prefer to look at someone really nice looking at a show than a really ugly person. If that makes me shallow, oh well. I always loved Roger and Brian when I was young as they were dreamy. Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me. It seems a lot of the early Queen fans were dudes and they could care less about looks or being macho, so Freddie appealed greatly to them. To me not so much! I think nowadays there seem to be a lot more women as new fans and they must be shallow just like me. They seem to appreciate Adam for his singing prowess and being hot doesn't hurt!! All kidding aside, Adam is appreciated mainly for the voice. I have read thousands of individual reviews and newspaper reviews and it is mainly about his voice. I think that is what Caroline really means, but hey, being good looking doesn't hurt. It just might seal the deal!!

Holy fuck

#Glambertlogicfail.

snifflese wrote: Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me.

Saint Jiub wrote:

snifflese wrote: Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me.

... as spoken by someone who gives lip service as to being a Queen fan ...

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: I think she is being sarcastic!! Yea, what is wrong with good looks? That is part of the whole package of a star usually (there are exceptions!!). If you have a musical ability, personality and are easy on the eyes, I would say that your chances are greater at being successful than an ugly individual. It applies in most aspects of life. Tall businessmen with a lot of hair and good looks are hired over ugly dudes. Hot women often get a job over their ugly step sister. That is just an unfortunate reality of life! The Voice bases its show on the fact that looks are not going to impact their decision as to who could be a Star, so it is pretty generally recognized that good lookers find the star at the end of the day. Look at the movie idols (Elvis, Gregory Peck, Brad Pitt, etc, etc). I doubt Elvis would have gotten where he was without his looks. It applies nowadays also, maybe not as much as there are a few homely singers (not mentioning names), but it is an advantage to be sexy and hot! I will be honest, I would prefer to look at someone really nice looking at a show than a really ugly person. If that makes me shallow, oh well. I always loved Roger and Brian when I was young as they were dreamy. Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me. It seems a lot of the early Queen fans were dudes and they could care less about looks or being macho, so Freddie appealed greatly to them. To me not so much! I think nowadays there seem to be a lot more women as new fans and they must be shallow just like me. They seem to appreciate Adam for his singing prowess and being hot doesn't hurt!! All kidding aside, Adam is appreciated mainly for the voice. I have read thousands of individual reviews and newspaper reviews and it is mainly about his voice. I think that is what Caroline really means, but hey, being good looking doesn't hurt. It just might seal the deal!!

Holy fuck

#Glambertlogicfail.

SweetCaroline acted like a pathetic, useless moron on here, and Sniffy’s replies to you were as pathetic as SweetCaroline’s posts. I saw no bullying... SweetCaroline’s idiocy deserved to be noticed.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Saint Jiub wrote:

snifflese wrote: Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me.

... as spoken by someone who gives lip service as to being a Queen fan ...

Exactly. Boy, snifflese has tried over herself here. Why do snifflese and SweetCaroline clutch their pearls about Freddie’s short shorts?

Saint Jiub wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Saint Jiub wrote:

snifflese wrote: Freddie I found off putting, not just because of his looks, but his stage persona. I will never forget those white shorts and his strutting around the stage half naked, screaming and brandishing the mic. It was just too much for me.

... as spoken by someone who gives lip service as to being a Queen fan ...

Exactly. Boy, snifflese has tried over herself here. Why do snifflese and SweetCaroline clutch their pearls about Freddie’s short shorts?

Because they are centrarians and conservative christians??

SweetCaroline wrote: Amazing how much people are missing the QAL concerts during this break. So much so that they are bringing back chat threads from three and even six years ago about how SC and Sniffy hate Freddie and are bigging up Adam! Same old same old.

SweetCaroline wrote: Why are you repeating what I just said about you? Don’t you have any original thoughts of your own?

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Why are you repeating what I just said about you? Don’t you have any original thoughts of your own?

Touched a nerve, I take it. LOL? Why do you repeat what others say, rather post and tweet? Yep, I do have original thoughts of my own. You and snifflese were brats and worse in this thread. Has your views changed at all since this thread, or do you still want to go on and on bigging up AL and lusting over AL and how gorgeous you think he is?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Why are you repeating what I just said about you? Don’t you have any original thoughts of your own?

Touched a nerve, I take it. LOL? Why do you repeat what others say, rather post and tweet? Yep, I do have original thoughts of my own. You and snifflese were brats and worse in this thread. Has your views changed at all since this thread, or do you still want to go on and on bigging up AL and lusting over AL and how gorgeous you think he is?

SmellyCaroline (Adam’s words, not mine) has yet to reply to the thread about obsessed/idiot/terrible Adam Worshippers. For a lady who hates Trump and his supporters so much, SmellyCaroline surely acts as obsessed with Adam as Trump Worshippers are with Trump. They think their God’s are perfect. Adam could shit his pants on stage, she’d offer to clean his speedo... with bare hands! That kind of worship is disgusting.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: This thread is ridiculous. Crapbert can't even compete with John deacon in the vocals department according to a recent poll where over two thirds have voted in favour of Deacy. Freddus was on a differnt plane altogether compared to that fat karaoke singer, always will be. End of story.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: This thread is ridiculous. Crapbert can't even compete with John deacon in the vocals department according to a recent poll where over two thirds have voted in favour of Deacy. Freddus was on a differnt plane altogether compared to that fat karaoke singer, always will be. End of story.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: @vocal harmony, your argument is a non sequitur.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: This thread is ridiculous. Crapbert can't even compete with John deacon in the vocals department according to a recent poll where over two thirds have voted in favour of Deacy. Freddus was on a differnt plane altogether compared to that fat karaoke singer, always will be. End of story.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: @vocal harmony, assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Nobody here has presented any evidence whatsoever and you expect me to give you a mathematical proof that for queen to finish their careers with crapbert would be going out on a low. The poll where over two-thirds of the people here think that crapbert's vocals are worse that deacys is infintely more evidence to support what ive said than anything anybody else has presented to the contrary. But of course you won't accept it, so you'll just keep moving the goalposts until you completely exhaust me. I ain't playing that game.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Yes and polls and opinions in this case is bona fide evidence, given that we are talking about whether fans percieve queen bowing out on a high, or on a low with crapbert. If I were arguing about the size of Jupiter then opinions and polls would not support my claim. But when talking about perceptions of queen with crapbert they do. Does that make sense, or are you going to come up with some other piece of nonsense to obfuscate things and deflect from the central argument?

rockchic65 wrote:

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Yes and polls and opinions in this case is bona fide evidence, given that we are talking about whether fans percieve queen bowing out on a high, or on a low with crapbert. If I were arguing about the size of Jupiter then opinions and polls would not support my claim. But when talking about perceptions of queen with crapbert they do. Does that make sense, or are you going to come up with some other piece of nonsense to obfuscate things and deflect from the central argument?

Queen will be bowing out on a high, the few naysayers won't matter one little bit, they'll keep on whining and no one will care. It's amusing you imagine a poll on Queenzone represents the wider perception of them and opinion of the fans when all evidence outside of here points to the exact opposite.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Yes and polls and opinions in this case is bona fide evidence, given that we are talking about whether fans percieve queen bowing out on a high, or on a low with crapbert. If I were arguing about the size of Jupiter then opinions and polls would not support my claim. But when talking about perceptions of queen with crapbert they do. Does that make sense, or are you going to come up with some other piece of nonsense to obfuscate things and deflect from the central argument?

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Iron butterfly, I think every single lamber fan already voted on it. Given his album sales I think 22 people is about right.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: Iron butterfly, I think every single lamber fan already voted on it. Given his album sales I think 22 people is about right.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: @rock chick, I don't believe you. You were hitting that Adam lambert radio button quicker than anything.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: 10 year olds with damn good tastes in music and enough perspicacity and common sense to see that that magical, almost intangible aura is no longer there. The whole affair smacks of two old man playing with a glorified karaoke singer.

Freddie Jupiter wrote: To some people two old men playing with a glorified karaoke singer may be magical, I don't know. If so, then fair enough.