| Golden Salmon 05.11.2017 22:35 |
So, spoilers. Click at your own risk! http://www.queenvault.com/newsoftheworld.html Details on all 11 tracks from disc 2, it seems like it's out in the wild already. I'm not quoting anything for those who want to be surprised. |
| matt z 06.11.2017 00:36 |
Thanks. Sounds hardly surprising but it's still the most interesting thing they've done with the catalogue since like. .....17 years ago |
| rocknrolllover 06.11.2017 05:39 |
Link don’t work for me |
| cmsdrums 06.11.2017 08:28 |
The kink doesn't work for me either. Can you say if this is more extensive info than has already been released several weeks ago regarding these tracks? Thanks |
| Kuijpy 06.11.2017 08:31 |
Sheer Heart Attack (Original Rough Mix) 4:17 Written by Roger Taylor Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition Sheer Heart Attack was originally written for the album of the same name. It didn't make the cut for that album, or the two that followed. Finally, Roger and the band decided it fit the stripped down, raw concept of News Of The World. This original rough mix starts with some banter from Roger before it goes into it's original long-lost intro. The whole track is instrumental, except for some backing vocals... "Sheeeeeeeer Heart Attack!" Roger plays all the instruments along with some guitar from Brian. Also of note, this version has a longer, uncut ending that didn't appear on the album version. Spread Your Wings (Alternative Take) 4:56 Written by John Deacon Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition Spread Your Wings has always been a fan favorite; this alternative version will likely be just as loved as it's album counterpart. Freddie starts this version with a different, longer piano intro that isn't used on the album version. His piano performance continues to be unique throughout the rest of this take. The whole band are playing soulfully and with passion, proving that this version could have been used on the album. Brian's guitar parts are noticably different in parts of the song as well. Roger's drumming is similar to the final version, but no less aggressive. The song breaks down at the end with no real ending. Freddie exclaims "what a jam!" Fight From The Inside (Demo Vocal Version) 3:08 Written by Roger Taylor Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition The demo vocals on this take originated from Roger's home studio in preparation for the next sessions. The backing track largely doesn't change in it's evolution to the final version. Roger's vocal performance is not as polished as the final album version; instead it is more utilitarian as he works through pacing and lyrics. The "ooooooohs" are not present on this version, instead there are additional lyrics that are not decipherable. Roger plays all the instruments here except for some additional lead guitar from Brian. Get Down, Make Love (Early Take) 4:02 Written by Freddie Mercury Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition This early take of Get Down, Make Love is very lively and possibly more listenable than the final album version. Before the take starts, Brian asks Freddie if he "likes the sustained note". Freddie and Roger both agree that it is good, while Freddie offers some more advice on how to play the guitar parts. Freddie's pulsating piano beat moves this performance along while he exhibits some excellent playing, taking the song to different places. The band sounds much more live and less produced, which really helps the song move along. The guitar/feedback effects on the final version are missing here and are replaced with an excellent jam by the band. Freddie proclaims at the end of the take that "the piano fell down!" Sleeping On The Sidewalk (Live in the USA, 1977) 3:49 Written by Brian May Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition Sleeping On The Sidewalk, unlike the other "raw sessions" outtakes on the News Of The World 40th Anniversary boxset, is actually a live performance as opposed to a studio take. The song was performed live only a few times within the first week of the 1977 US News Of The World Tour. The only confirmed venue was the Portland Civic Centre on November 11, 1977. It is unknown which venue this recording is taken from. What makes this live version so special is that Freddie sings lead vocals instead of Brian. The performance for the most part is faithful to the studio version. Freddie's vocal performance is reminiscent of live versions of See What A Fool I've Been. Who Needs You (Acoustic Take) 2:46 Written by John Deacon Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition The acoustic take of Who Needs You starts with some studio banter between Freddie and John. Freddie excitedly demands, "let's have a run through, come on!" John responds, "okay, should we start with that old intro?" Freddie comes back and suggests that John should "keep it flowing." The engineer then announces that this is "Take 2". John's acoustic playing really shines here, sounding fresh and lively. Freddie handles lead vocals on this take, which largely has incomplete lyrics compared to the final version. An example is in the second line. Instead of "always trying to keep me hanging round", the verse on this early take is "what you trying to tell me, please explain." After the take John asks "how was that?" Freddie rightfully responds, "that was lovely!" It's Late (Alternative Version) 6:44 Written by Brian May Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition The engineer can be heard at the start of this version saying "Take 2". Freddie has a false start at the beginning as he tries to get confortable with the song. The lyrics are mostly complete with a few minor differences in the first third of the song (particularly in the first few verses). In terms of structure and performance, the song stays pretty true to the final version used on the album. The backing vocals are very similar, if not the ones used on the final album version. The rest of the performance is unique. Of note, Freddie's piano playing can be heard during some of the jamming sections of the song, which is a welcome addition. At the end, the engineer comments that he "likes that", while Brian comments that he wants it a bit "angry". My Melancholy Blues (Original Rough Mix) 3:36 Written by Freddie Mercury Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition This is not a modern mix, instead this is a rough mix completed during the original production of the album. Of all of the takes on the "rough mixes" CD, this original rough mix of My Melancholy Blues is the most similar to the final version. The backing track may very well be the one used on the final version. Freddie's vocal take is different from the one used on the album, but the performance is similar. |
| MrFunster 06.11.2017 08:41 |
Thank you very much . And where did queenvault get this information. Still astonished there hasnt been previews for these song yet...... |
| Golden Salmon 06.11.2017 09:29 |
MrFunster wrote: Thank you very much . And where did queenvault get this information.Either insider knowledge or someone already has it, not far-fetched since it's out next week. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 06.11.2017 10:36 |
Thanks a lot to you and to Queenvault. Oh, the wating,.. the waaaiting!!! :) Cheers, Ogre- |
| Viper 06.11.2017 10:49 |
nice... |
| MrFunster 06.11.2017 10:57 |
In looking forward to spread your wings and its late |
| MackMantilla 06.11.2017 14:21 |
Thanks for this info. It would be interesting to know wether the "SOTD" live version is from polished multitrack or raw stereo tape... |
| Vocal harmony 06.11.2017 14:50 |
MrFunster wrote: Thank you very much . And where did queenvault get this information. Still astonished there hasnt been previews for these song yet......Copies went out for press review a couple of weeks ago I believe. |
| IanR 06.11.2017 15:18 |
Not gonna lie: a tad pissed-off that Roger's demo vocals for SHA won't be on the set. Would've made sense in light of Fred's version of AD,AD. |
| bootLuca 06.11.2017 15:41 |
Kuijpy wrote: Spread Your Wings (Alternative Take) 4:56 Written by John Deacon Appears on: News Of The World 40th Anniversary Edition Spread Your Wings has always been a fan favorite; this alternative version will likely be just as loved as it's album counterpart. Freddie starts this version with a different, longer piano intro that isn't used on the album version. His piano performance continues to be unique throughout the rest of this take.I thought the piano on the album version was played by John.... |
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| Sebastian 06.11.2017 17:00 |
Backing tracks were usually recorded live as a trio in those days. It made far more sense for John to be on bass rather than piano. 'Best Friend' was an exception but not by any means the rule. |
| cmsdrums 06.11.2017 17:31 |
There has been mention of Roger’s “home” studio versions both above, and on the official blurb; as he hadn’t moved into The Mill at the point of NOTW being recorded (he hadn’t even finally moved in by the time of the WWRY & SYW promo videos being recorded in the grounds), does anyone know if he DID actually have a home studio wherever he was living before (and if so where that was), or is it or is it more likely that his demos were actually recorded in ‘proper’ studios either off his own back or in Queen downtime? |
| bootLuca 06.11.2017 17:41 |
Sebastian wrote: Backing tracks were usually recorded live as a trio in those days. It made far more sense for John to be on bass rather than piano. 'Best Friend' was an exception but not by any means the rule.if it had been played by Freddie what the sense showing in the video that is played by John? |
| RafaelS 06.11.2017 18:43 |
I didn't know that John played the Spanish style guitar on Who Needs You... |
| mooghead 06.11.2017 19:06 |
"This BBC version of Spread Your Wings is superior to the album version" This is why I take this site, which some people see as the Queen bible, with a pinch of salt. This is purely opinion. It should concentrate on fact. |
| brians wig 06.11.2017 20:46 |
IanR wrote: Not gonna lie: a tad pissed-off that Roger's demo vocals for SHA won't be on the set. Would've made sense in light of Fred's version of AD,AD.That! ^ |
| brians wig 06.11.2017 20:47 |
cmsdrums wrote: There has been mention of Roger’s “home” studio versions both above, and on the official blurb; as he hadn’t moved into The Mill at the point of NOTW being recorded (he hadn’t even finally moved in by the time of the WWRY & SYW promo videos being recorded in the grounds), does anyone know if he DID actually have a home studio wherever he was living before (and if so where that was), or is it or is it more likely that his demos were actually recorded in ‘proper’ studios either off his own back or in Queen downtime?GB said at convention that Rog laid down his demo vocals for FFTI at home, though the quality of the vocals isn't great which makes me wonder if Roger did it on a mono cassette deck like us older people used to have in the day and they've dubbed it onto an instrumental version of the released take and lowered the volume of the demo to try and blend it all together. When we finally hear it at home in perfect quality, I may be proved wrong about that: it's very hard to hear clarity and detail at Convention. |
| Sebastian 06.11.2017 22:19 |
cmsdrums wrote: There has been mention of Roger’s “home” studio ... does anyone know if he DID actually have a home studio wherever he was living before (and if so where that was), or is it or is it more likely that his demos were actually recorded in ‘proper’ studios either off his own back or in Queen downtime?Roger was living in Barnes back then. No, he didn't have a bona fide 'home studio' until 1993 (when he commissioned the famous Cosford Mill one to be built). It's most likely just a 'home demo' (a demo recorded at home with a stereo tape recorder) and somebody mistook 'home demo' for 'demo at a home studio' and then the telephone remained broken. bootLuca wrote: if it had been played by Freddie what the sense showing in the video that is played by John?Frederick was pissed when they were shooting that video. What people mime on videos often differs from what they did in the studio, including: - Brian playing the 'Back Chat' arpeggios. - Brian playing the 'Crazy Little Thing' intro. - Rog singing BV's on 'Dust'. - John singing BV's on loads of things. - Brian playing acoustic on 'A Kind of Magic'. - John playing banjo on 'A Kind of Magic'. - Brian playing a skull on 'It's a Hard Life'. RafaelS wrote: I didn't know that John played the Spanish style guitar on Who Needs You...It's been on the album liner notes since 1977. There's no bass on that song so (rhythm) guitar was all John played on it. The lead bits were by Brian. mooghead wrote: This is why I take this site, which some people see as the Queen bible, with a pinch of salt.The Bible itself should be taken with a pinch of salt. It's full of lies. mooghead wrote: This is purely opinion. It should concentrate on fact.Whether it should concentrate on fact or not is an opinion, which contradicts your statement. |
| Golden Salmon 06.11.2017 23:25 |
Sebastian wrote: What people mime on videos often differs from what they did in the studio, including: - Brian playing a skull on 'It's a Hard Life'.Wait a minute... are you saying that Brian can't make a skull sound like the Red Special? You're about to make some powerful enemies here, sir. |
| Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) 06.11.2017 23:43 |
I do write my opinions on my site from time to time. It’s an outlet for me. I am fine if people don’t agree with them; in fact I like it when I hear contrary opinions. That’s the purpose of forums like this one. Since it is my website and I pay for the hosting and the name, I write what I want; not everything will be objective. I try to be factual and I’m sure there are errors, but I constantly work at it for everyone’s benefit. |
| matt z 06.11.2017 23:52 |
Sebastian wrote:cmsdrums wrote: There has been mention of Roger’s “home” studio ... does anyone know if he DID actually have a home studio wherever he was living before (and if so where that was), or is it or is it more likely that his demos were actually recorded in ‘proper’ studios either off his own back or in Queen downtime?Roger was living in Barnes back then. No, he didn't have a bona fide 'home studio' until 1993 (when he commissioned the famous Cosford Mill one to be built). It's most likely just a 'home demo' (a demo recorded at home with a stereo tape recorder) and somebody mistook 'home demo' for 'demo at a home studio' and then the telephone remained broken.bootLuca wrote: if it had been played by Freddie what the sense showing in the video that is played by John?Frederick was pissed when they were shooting that video. What people mime on videos often differs from what they did in the studio, including: - Brian playing the 'Back Chat' arpeggios. - Brian playing the 'Crazy Little Thing' intro. - Rog singing BV's on 'Dust'. - John singing BV's on loads of things. - Brian playing acoustic on 'A Kind of Magic'. - John playing banjo on 'A Kind of Magic'. - Brian playing a skull on 'It's a Hard Life'.RafaelS wrote: I didn't know that John played the Spanish style guitar on Who Needs You...It's been on the album liner notes since 1977. There's no bass on that song so (rhythm) guitar was all John played on it. The lead bits were by Brian.mooghead wrote: This is why I take this site, which some people see as the Queen bible, with a pinch of salt.The Bible itself should be taken with a pinch of salt. It's full of lies.mooghead wrote:And the Bible should only be eaten one page at a time |
| Sebastian 07.11.2017 02:36 |
Adam Unger (QueenVault.com) wrote: Since it is my website and I pay for the hosting and the name, I write what I wantAnd you're doing a great job. So, an imbecile is moaning that you had the nerve to include your opinion, that doesn't matter. Keep up the great work. |
| thomasquinn 32989 07.11.2017 06:05 |
mooghead wrote: "This BBC version of Spread Your Wings is superior to the album version" This is why I take this site, which some people see as the Queen bible, with a pinch of salt. This is purely opinion. It should concentrate on fact.It is clearly identifiable as an opinion, which you are free to disregard. If your response to encountering such opinions is to launch into the above example of pathetic whining, you are in need of either the services of a mental health professional or a good beating. Or both. Seriously, you are such a pathetic whining asshole, go fucking deal with your obvious issues and stop using this forum as a place to vent your debilitating character flaws. |
| bootLuca 07.11.2017 06:56 |
sebastian wrote: Frederick was pissed when they were shooting that video. What people mime on videos often differs from what they did in the studio, including: - Brian playing the 'Back Chat' arpeggios. - Brian playing the 'Crazy Little Thing' intro. - Rog singing BV's on 'Dust'. - John singing BV's on loads of things. - Brian playing acoustic on 'A Kind of Magic'. - John playing banjo on 'A Kind of Magic'. - Brian playing a skull on 'It's a Hard Life'.there's no sense, if the piano on the album version was played by Freddie, he would have played (mimed) in the video The style of the piano is different from Freddie's typical style. There is a big difference in the arrangement of the piano between the BBC version, where Freddie is playing and the album version where I am convinced it is played by John. |
| dysan 07.11.2017 08:42 |
Apparently a couple of studio hands had to hold John down for the entire take so he didn't play the intro on a wurlitzer |
| LongShortSally 07.11.2017 10:29 |
Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet. |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2017 12:39 |
bootLuca wrote:If you look at Sebastian's list you could say none of it makes sense but it is what happened, and so the same could/can be applied to SYWsebastian wrote: Frederick was pissed when they were shooting that video. What people mime on videos often differs from what they did in the studio, including: - Brian playing the 'Back Chat' arpeggios. - Brian playing the 'Crazy Little Thing' intro. - Rog singing BV's on 'Dust'. - John singing BV's on loads of things. - Brian playing acoustic on 'A Kind of Magic'. - John playing banjo on 'A Kind of Magic'. - Brian playing a skull on 'It's a Hard Life'.there's no sense, if the piano on the album version was played by Freddie, he would have played (mimed) in the video The style of the piano is different from Freddie's typical style. There is a big difference in the arrangement of the piano between the BBC version, where Freddie is playing and the album version where I am convinced it is played by John. |
| Sebastian 07.11.2017 12:40 |
bootLuca wrote: there's no sense, if the piano on the album version was played by Freddie, he would have played (mimed) in the videoWhy? Would the universe implode if they did it otherwise? Truth is, videos are often completely unrelated to the actual studio takes. Brian mimed the 'Back Chat' motif, but he didn't play it on the record, John did; John mimed a double-bass on 'Who Wants to Live Forever', but he didn't play it on the record, whoever happened to be the contrabass player(s) at the NPO did; John mimed a lot of backing vocals he didn't sing on the record; likewise, he mimed a few seconds of piano that he didn't record. For that particular video, Frederick was pissed, so perhaps he wouldn't sit and do that bit, and having someone miming the piano intro (since that was the only instrument for a few bars) made more sense than having them just stand there awkwardly; if Fred was being uncooperative and wouldn't mime the piano part, having John do it (since he was closer to it) made far more sense than having Roger or Brian mime it and then run to their spot. It had nothing to do with what had happened during the recording sessions. In fact, Fred often chose not to mime instruments on videos, which didn't mean he hadn't played anything on the records. For 'Crazy Little Thing', he's just running around, prompting Brian to play the intro on the Telecaster, but that's not by any means what happened when they were tracking it. The band's mimed performances at San Remo and Montreux feature John and Brian miming a lot of synthesiser bits which they were unlikely to have recorded, it was just for the visuals. bootLuca wrote: The style of the piano is different from Freddie's typical style.Actually, it's not. bootLuca wrote: There is a big difference in the arrangement of the piano between the BBC versionIt's not that different, really. The BBC one is more aggressive, but the same could be said about drums, bass and guitars... they're all (including the piano) still clearly played by the same people who did it on the album. bootLuca wrote: ... the album version where I am convinced it is played by John.You can convince yourself of anything, it won't make it true. I could 'be convinced' New Zealand will win the world cup by scoring 22-0 against each and every team, that won't make it a reality. |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2017 12:44 |
LongShortSally wrote: Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet.I think he did, but you can't always rely on album liner notes/credits as there are songs on some albums which are not fully credited to who played or sung what. |
| Sebastian 07.11.2017 13:06 |
True and, since I love lists so much, here's a(n admittedly partial) list of uncredited performers per album: - Queen: Whoever played organ on 'Liar.' - Queen II: Roy's stylophone on 'Seven Seas,' plus the people who were singing along to 'I Do Like to Be Beside the Seaside.' - Heart Attack: Whoever played organ on 'Now I'm Here.' - Opera: Roger and Brian are only credited for vocals on the songs they sang lead on and on 'Bo Rhap.' That would mean Roger didn't sing on ''39,' 'Death on Two Legs,' 'Best Friend' or 'Prophet's Song' when he obviously did; that would also mean Brian didn't sing on 'Best Friend' and others. If my theory is correct that Rog played rhythm on 'Car' (it could be... or it could not be), then that'd be another uncredited performance. - Races: People singing at the end of 'Teo Torriatte.' - News: Brian's piano on 'All Dead' and John's acoustic guitar (but not piano) on 'Spread Your Wings.' Also, IIRC, Frederick on backing vocals (he's credited for lead and that's it, except for 'All Dead'). - Jazz, The Game, Hot Space, The Works, The Miracle: Nobody's credited for anything (except for Mack and Fred Mandel). - Flash Gordon: Brian on piano and organ (he's only credited for guitar and synth... and vocals and writing and producing, of course). - A Kind of Magic: That one seems to be quite alright. It's rather vague but it does mention people's participation. - Innuendo: David Richards' additional synth work here and there. - Made in Heaven: Dave on 'My Life Has Been Saved' and then some people such as Spike, Erdal and Mike, whom are thanked but it's not specified whether they actually played or not, even though they did. |
| Kuijpy 07.11.2017 13:44 |
Sebastian please.... You think u know everything |
| Vocal harmony 07.11.2017 15:47 |
Kuijpy wrote: Sebastian please.... You think u know everythingSebastian has never said that, but he probably knows more than you on this subject. |
| bootLuca 07.11.2017 16:09 |
LongShortSally wrote: Pretty sure Freddie played piano on SYW studio version as if John played it, it would have been listed in the lyric sheet.this is the only evidence that you may be right |
| Sebastian 07.11.2017 16:24 |
Kuijpy wrote: You think u know everythingNo, I do not. I don't know at least 99.99% of what there is to know. But the remaining 0.01% that I do know is enough to be fairly certain that Frederick played piano on SYW rather than John. If there's at any point any evidence pointing otherwise, I'll readily change my mind, but I mean genuine evidence, not the fact John mimed it for the video (that, alone, proves absolutely nothing). |
| Ozz 07.11.2017 19:37 |
You do write leaving little room to disagree with your Queen Facts, Sebastian. Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information. "For that particular video, Frederick was pissed" All we know, Freddie was a bit drunk in that shoot. |
| Sebastian 07.11.2017 19:52 |
Ozz wrote: You do write leaving little room to disagree with your Queen Facts, Sebastian.First of all, those are not 'my' Queen facts. Facts do not have any owners. Second of all, whoever wants to disagree is free to do so, I'm not chaining anyone or blocking their IP (and I wouldn't know how to do that anyway). If anyone wants to prove me wrong and has evidence to do it (and that's happened many times), I'll be more than happy to stand corrected and change my mind. If the best evidence they can come up with is 'John mimes it in the video, therefore he must have played it on the record' then no, that's not good enough. Otherwise, we should believe (as I mistakenly did for years) that John also sang backing vocals on loads of things, played banjo on 'Magic', Brian played the 'Crazy' intro on a Tele, etc. Ozz wrote: Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information.Exactly, and that's more than enough information to be able to know a lot of things. I've got no way to know what colour was John's shirt when he was writing that song (or if he was wearing a shirt at all), but there's a lot of information to have some degree of certainty on whether he played the piano on it or not and, no, he most likely did not. The video could've shown him playing the intro on a bloody saxophone, that still wouldn't mean a thing. Ozz wrote: "For that particular video, Frederick was pissed" All we know, Freddie was a bit drunk in that shoot.Yes, that's what I wrote. |
| cmsdrums 07.11.2017 19:56 |
Sebastian wrote: True and, since I love lists so much, here's a(n admittedly partial) list of uncredited performers per album: If my theory is correct that Rog played rhythm on 'Car' (it could be... or it could not be), then that'd be another uncredited performance. Also, IIRC, Frederick on backing vocals (he's credited for lead and that's it, except for 'All Dead'). .I agree your supposition that it’s Roger on one of the rhythm guitar parts on ‘...Car’ - I think that’s clear from the guitar and vocal mix on the 2011 deluxe release. To be really pedantic, Freddie isn’t credited with “lead” vocals on ‘All Dead..’, both he and Brian are just credited with “vocals” (lead and/or backing aren’t specified). |
| Sebastian 07.11.2017 21:10 |
Yes, that's consistent with what I wrote: - On 'All Dead, All Dead' both Brian and Frederick are credited for vocals (without specifying which vocals). - One the album liner notes, IIRC, Fred is credited for 'lead vocals,' but not 'backing vocals,' which would mean he didn't sing any BV's on 'Rock You,' 'Champions,' 'Get Down, Make Love,' 'Who Needs You' or 'It's Late' even though he obviously did. By following the credits to the letter, it would mean the only song on that album which could've had BV's from Frederick was 'All Dead' and that's clearly not true. |
| Kuijpy 07.11.2017 22:05 |
So Queen are just 5 people.. John Deacon Freddie Mercury Brian May Roger Taylor Sebastian .... |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 07.11.2017 22:30 |
Kuijpy wrote: So Queen are just 5 people.. John Deacon Freddie Mercury Brian May Roger Taylor Sebastian ....Six, if you count Adam Lambert. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Sebastian 07.11.2017 23:48 |
Kuijpy wrote: So Queen are just 5 people.. John Deacon Freddie Mercury Brian May Roger Taylor Sebastian ....I'm not part of Queen, never have been. You, however, seem to be more obsessed with me than many Queen fans are with them. Is your life so empty and pathetic? Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: Six, if you count Adam Lambert.I don't know about that... Frederick was clear: 'no time for losers,' and Adam lost n_n |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 08.11.2017 00:42 |
:D |
| thomasquinn 32989 08.11.2017 09:53 |
Ozz wrote: You do write leaving little room to disagree with your Queen Facts, Sebastian. Particularly given the fact that none of us were there, and we rely on documentary/interview information.Well, I guess I should quit my job then, along with all other historians in the world. Since we rely mostly on documentary information and few of us were present for the events we describe, I suppose our work is no better than the opinion of any random person... |
| Vali 08.11.2017 12:33 |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote:Hey, what about the 7th ? Fred's favourite singer of all time? He's already forgotten .... poor little Paulie :-(((Kuijpy wrote: So Queen are just 5 people.. John Deacon Freddie Mercury Brian May Roger Taylor Sebastian ....Six, if you count Adam Lambert. Cheers, Ogre- |
| cmsdrums 08.11.2017 12:41 |
Sebastian wrote: Yes, that's consistent with what I wrote: - On 'All Dead, All Dead' both Brian and Frederick are credited for vocals (without specifying which vocals). - One the album liner notes, IIRC, Fred is credited for 'lead vocals,' but not 'backing vocals,' which would mean he didn't sing any BV's on 'Rock You,' 'Champions,' 'Get Down, Make Love,' 'Who Needs You' or 'It's Late' even though he obviously did. By following the credits to the letter, it would mean the only song on that album which could've had BV's from Frederick was 'All Dead' and that's clearly not true.I haven't got it in front of me, but my memory is different to yours, in that Fred is NOT credited with 'lead' vocals as per your recollection. |
| Sebastian 08.11.2017 12:53 |
If so, then I'll happily stand corrected. See? I've got no problem in changing my mind when presented with evidence... but I do mean real evidence. If I claim the liner notes say something and someone shows me the liner notes (or I go check them myself) and realise it's not so, then of course I'll admit I'm wrong. If someone manages to produce bona fide evidence of John (or Mike, or Mary Austin) having played the piano on 'Spread Your Wings' (e.g. an interview featuring Frederick saying that he played it on stage but John, Mike or Mary played it on the record) I'll immediately adjust my claims. If the only so-called evidence is that John mimes it for a few bars on the video - which, again, proves nothing - then that's not good enough. It's like claiming John sings BV's on 'Bo Rhap,' 'Somebody to Love,' 'Tie Your Mother Down,' 'Don't Stop Me Now,' 'Bicycle Race,' 'Headlong,' 'Break Free,' 'One Vision' and others just because he mimes them on the videos. For the record, I did claim that for many years and I was completely wrong because, again, videos prove absolutely nothing. |
| Vocal harmony 08.11.2017 13:25 |
Kuijpy wrote: So Queen are just 5 people.. John Deacon Freddie Mercury Brian May Roger Taylor Sebastian ....Are you still here. . . |
| Sebastian 08.11.2017 14:06 |
cmsdrums wrote: I haven't got it in front of me, but my memory is different to yours, in that Fred is NOT credited with 'lead' vocals as per your recollection.Just checked and you're right. I stand corrected. |
| bootLuca 08.11.2017 14:34 |
is there any evidence to know who the pianist is in "spread your wings"? There's only the clue that if it doesn't appear in the credits, then it is supposed to be Freddie, but we don't know for sure. Considering that 1) is a song of john and often the songwriter plays the rhythm of his baby 2) that john is perfectly able to play that part 3) the arrangement doesn't look like the usual Freddie's rhythmed stile like the live version. For these reasons it seems perfectly plausible that the part was played by John, but this is just my modest supposition, I always give the benefit of the doubt, I have no presumption of dispensing absolute truths, I'm not Jesus. |
| Sebastian 08.11.2017 14:47 |
bootLuca wrote: 1) is a song of john and often the songwriter plays the rhythm of his babyOccasionally, but not 'often.' 'Best Friend' was a one-off. Brian often played piano on his own compositions; John, only 'Best Friend' and a few synth bits here and there. bootLuca wrote: 2) that john is perfectly able to play that partSo was Brian... perhaps, given enough takes and edits, any one of the four could've also played rhythm guitar and perhaps a few drum bits... both Brian and Roger had enough vocal range to sing it. None of that proves a thing. bootLuca wrote: 3) the arrangement doesn't look like the usual Freddie's rhythmed stile like the live version.In fact, the arrangement is very much a percussive thing in the way Frederick usually played. Of course, if you've already convinced yourself someone else played that part, you'll automatically hear it differently. bootLuca wrote: For these reasons it seems perfectly plausible that the part was played by JohnAccording to that, maybe Brian played the bass on 'Sleepin' on the Sidewalk,' and maybe Fred played the drums on 'Get Down, Make Love,' and maybe Mike Stone sang backing vocals on 'Fight from the Inside,' and maybe Tobin Bell wrote 'Play the Game.' bootLuca wrote: I'm not Jesus.Of course not: you do exist! |
| bootLuca 08.11.2017 15:55 |
Sebastian wrote:LOL!!bootLuca wrote: I'm not Jesus.Of course not: you do exist! I think maybe you're right, but you do too much to discredit people's opinions rather than support yours! |
| dysan 08.11.2017 18:45 |
Sebastian was low Just refreshing the thread Over and over again Knew it was time They made up their minds To decide who played the intro Ozz said to him "Boy you'd better begin To get those Queen facts right out of your head Sebastian who do you think that you are? You should've been clearing up who played the intro" Who played the intro and jammed away Jammed away, jammed away Who played the little intro and jammed away Jammed away, jammed away Pull yourselves together 'Cos you know the facts are clear About who played the intro. They spend their evenings alone posting on Queenzone Not keeping their thoughts to themselves, they'd be arguing soon Pretending they were miles and miles away But checking the sleeve notes and replaying videos Since John was small Had no luck at all But writing nice tunes came easy to him Now it was time He'd made up his mind "This could be my last chance to play the piano" Freddie said to him, "Now listen John! You're always dreaming Although you've got keyboard skills, you won't get very far into the song Johnny boy, don't you know who I am? My name is Freddie and I shall play piano on this song" "So Johnny I'll play piano and jam away Jam away, jam away I'll play piano and jam away On your song, on your song But pull yourself together 'Cos you know you will do better ... you'll have a US number one in 3 years... So I'll play piano and jam away Jam away, jam away I'll play piano and jam away On your song, on your song.." Etc. |
| inu-liger 08.11.2017 19:41 |
LOL ^ "and maybe Fred played the drums on 'Get Down, Make Love'" Well, I can definitely tell you as a skilled drummer myself that it's very easy to observe from watching Freddie playing drums on the NOTW rehearsal footage that he certainly did not have the mental coordination needed to play the drums as ably as Roger at that time. Maybe with practice over the years he could have achieved that capability, but we'll never know :P |
| Sebastian 08.11.2017 20:08 |
bootLuca wrote: I think maybe you're right, but you do too much to discredit people's opinions rather than support yours!I do not. I already told you, several times, why it's most likely Frederick and why the video proves nothing. Of course, if you've already convinced yourself that you're a poor innocent victim, then everything everybody else does or doesn't do will be seen as confirmation in your eyes. inu-liger wrote: he certainly did not have the mental coordination needed to play the drums as ably as Roger at that time.Of course Roger was the best drummer out of the four of them, and John was the best bassist, Brian the best guitarist, Frederick the best singer and pianist, but that still didn't stop people from trying out each other's roles once in a while. I chose 'Get Down, Make Love' because that one's got some sections consisting mostly of beats simple enough that even Frederick, given enough takes and edits, would've been able to just about play them. Of course, 'it could have happened' is not the same as 'it definitely happened.' Again, that SYW piano is easy enough that Brian, John, Peter Freestone, David Richards, Anthony Hopkins and a few of the engineers who worked on the album could've played it - which doesn't mean they did. |
| cmsdrums 08.11.2017 20:26 |
Sebastian wrote:Cool - cheers Seb... I’m certainly not trying to prove a point either way, but just realise that you like to stick to facts when available so just wanted to point this one out.....you’re still one of the most respected guys here for your knowledge and reasoned assumptions :-)cmsdrums wrote: I haven't got it in front of me, but my memory is different to yours, in that Fred is NOT credited with 'lead' vocals as per your recollection.Just checked and you're right. I stand corrected. |
| inu-liger 08.11.2017 20:59 |
Less than 10 days to go until the release and still no samples? Unbelievable |
| Golden Salmon 08.11.2017 23:16 |
^I find your lack of faith disturbing. |
| inu-liger 09.11.2017 00:01 |
It's not about lack of faith, it's called going by PAST experience dude. They've always had samples out within a month or a few weeks before the release, but lately they've been really holding back it seems. We didn't get samples of the newer Brian May/Kerry Ellis album until after the fact, for instance. |
| The Fonz 09.11.2017 00:05 |
Trying to cut down on the possibility of a leak, I wager. |
| The Fonz 09.11.2017 00:05 |
Trying to cut down on the possibility of a leak, I wager. |
| cmsdrums 09.11.2017 13:19 |
inu-liger wrote: We didn't get samples of the newer Brian May/Kerry Ellis album until after the fact, for instance.Thank god for that!! :-) |
| Golden Salmon 09.11.2017 21:19 |
inu-liger wrote: It's not about lack of faith, it's called going by PAST experience dude.No, I actually meant that you underestimate their neglect :-P |
| Wiley 10.11.2017 17:55 |
Whoa, whoa, guys, let's all acknowledge the elephant in the room here... Who is this Frederick person I keep hearing mentioned? |
| Golden Salmon 10.11.2017 21:30 |
^Who cares? The sole purpose of this Queen forum is to go for each other fan's jugular! That, and sharing badger videos. |
| Sebastian 10.11.2017 22:22 |
Wiley wrote: Who is this Frederick person I keep hearing mentioned?Frederick Mercury, you know, the person who came up with the band name, many of their songs and the one who sang most of their lead vocals, many of their harmonies and played many of their keyboard parts. |
| Wiley 11.11.2017 01:13 |
I know Seb. It's just I find it odd curious and you're the only person I've seen constantly refer to Freddie as Frederick and obviously that's not his name, birth name (Farrokh) nor artistic (Freddie) nor anybody's known nickname for him (Melina, Bucky, whatever). It's just your own little thing, I guess. Carry on. :) |
| Sebastian 11.11.2017 03:34 |
Actually, it was his name. By the time he signed the Trident contract in 1972, his legal name was Frederick Bulsara. That means he legally changed it at some point between childhood and his mid-twenties (educated guess: when he moved to England in the sixties). After a few years, his legal name changed to Frederick Mercury. That's the name on the Trident severance (from 1977 IIRC) and on his death certificate, leading me to suppose that was also the name on his passport, his NHS ID (or whatever was used back then), etc. It's not like I'm referring to him as 'Mike' or 'Cletus,' I'm calling him by his real name. |
| Golden Salmon 12.11.2017 09:33 |
According to Peter Hince, the inner circle used to call him "Fred" rather than Freddie or any other variant. Or at least he did call him Fred in his book. In documentaries, the band members usually say "Freddie", but maybe because they're mostly posthumous docs. |
| conundrumme 12.11.2017 11:01 |
I can't remember if it was Hince's book or Freestone's, but apparently Freddie disliked being called "Fred." |
| Dr Magus 12.11.2017 11:32 |
Bet he wouldn't have called him Frederick to his face. |
| Vocal harmony 12.11.2017 13:08 |
Golden Salmon wrote: According to Peter Hince, the inner circle used to call him "Fred" rather than Freddie or any other variant. Or at least he did call him Fred in his book. In documentaries, the band members usually say "Freddie", but maybe tecause they're mostly posthumous docs.No Ratty has never claimed that in his book or elsewhere. He called him Fred, always did and so continued to do so iwhen he wrote the book, but that's a long way from saying that "the inner circle" called him by that name. |
| Sebastian 12.11.2017 14:06 |
Fred and Freddie are both common ways to call someone whose name is Frederick. Same as many people call me Seb, or call people by their initials (TJ, AJ, CJ, DJ...) or refer to James as Jim. Again, nothing to get too excited about. It's not like I'm calling him Epaminondas, Coriolanus or Asclepius. |
| Vocal harmony 12.11.2017 14:45 |
Epaminondas Mercury. Has a certain ring to it. . . . John Deacon. Bass Epaminondas Mercury. vocals. . . . . That name alone would have sold a few million more albums! |
| Golden Salmon 12.11.2017 19:14 |
Vocal harmony wrote: No Ratty has never claimed that in his book or elsewhere. He called him Fred, always did and so continued to do so iwhen he wrote the book, but that's a long way from saying that "the inner circle" called him by that name.Yup, I read that again and he simply says that the crew usually called him Fred, but that wouldn't include the band members. |
| Wiley 12.11.2017 22:25 |
Sebastian wrote: Actually, it was his name. By the time he signed the Trident contract in 1972, his legal name was Frederick Bulsara. That means he legally changed it at some point between childhood and his mid-twenties (educated guess: when he moved to England in the sixties). After a few years, his legal name changed to Frederick Mercury. That's the name on the Trident severance (from 1977 IIRC) and on his death certificate, leading me to suppose that was also the name on his passport, his NHS ID (or whatever was used back then), etc. It's not like I'm referring to him as 'Mike' or 'Cletus,' I'm calling him by his real name.Cool.. I didn't know that. Even though I've also seen a scan of his death certificate and I (now) remember being weirded out by that name I figured it was probably a mistake. A quick Google search shows it's possible to sign a contract using a pen name/artistic name provided certain circumstances (i.e. you provide a valid Tax ID, etc.) but I have no way of knowing if Freddie did that. Then again, it's super weird to hear him be referred to as Frederick. To me, at least :). |
| inu-liger 13.11.2017 02:46 |
Getting back on topic now... ;) |
| Golden Salmon 13.11.2017 19:27 |
Whose arse is firmer today: Anita Dobson or Kashmira Cooke? |