| MrFunster 25.10.2017 11:05 |
Tune In! All Dead, All Dead (Raw Sessions version) with Freddie on lead vocals is to have its first radio play on BBC Radio 2 on Thursday 26th from 5pm on the Simon Mayo Drive Time Show. |
| stevelondon20 25.10.2017 11:29 |
Just beat me to it Lol. I posted this too! |
| MrFunster 25.10.2017 12:10 |
Cant wait to hear it. Never heard it before. |
| dave76 25.10.2017 13:51 |
The boxset is now getting less and less impressive to buy. |
| splicksplack 25.10.2017 15:33 |
I do wonder what the point of this exclusive is. No doubt this will be a lovely listen with Freddie's vocals on a great melody But I can't see many casual Radio 2 listeners thinking 'bloody hell I need to fork out over £100 to get hold of that'. Unless of course QPL are planning a 2 disc version as hinted elsewhere. And are holding back the announcement in order to get as many box set orders in first. |
| dysan 25.10.2017 18:40 |
Both are just a promotional tool. I'm sure few people outside of this forum know the history of NOTW etc. I think it will certainly gain some mainstream interest from these channels. Weird choice of song, mind. |
| mooghead 25.10.2017 19:01 |
"I do wonder what the point of this exclusive is" To promote the imminent release? Raise awareness? Get proper Queen back on the radio? I do wonder what the point of asking such a stupid question is? |
| NastyQueenie74 25.10.2017 20:11 |
Will this be accessible in the us? |
| DragonflyTrumpeter83 25.10.2017 21:40 |
NastyQueenie74 wrote: Will this be accessible in the us?Yes. Just go to link |
| Makka 26.10.2017 05:12 |
I can't wait to hear this. Have never heard it before but have heard it spoken of many times. |
| brians wig 26.10.2017 08:05 |
Memories, my memories How long can you stay..... |
| dudeofqueen 26.10.2017 09:58 |
Anyone actually hear this? It's not listed in all of the songs played during the Drive Time program. |
| Vocal harmony 26.10.2017 10:21 |
^^^ The program doesn't start until 5:30 today. UK time. Not sure what you've been looking at. |
| dudeofqueen 26.10.2017 10:47 |
Apologies - thought it was on yesterday...... |
| MrFunster 26.10.2017 11:51 |
Pffff, im looking the whole day ?? |
| Kuijpy 26.10.2017 16:11 |
AM I Too late? |
| MercurialFreddie 26.10.2017 16:13 |
No, tune in now! they already said that they will play it later so we will have to be patient but the show has already started link |
| MercurialFreddie 26.10.2017 16:13 |
Is anybody recording this ? |
| IanR 26.10.2017 16:27 |
Heads-up for 5:30 ish |
| MercurialFreddie 26.10.2017 16:32 |
Any second now... |
| PabloArg 26.10.2017 16:39 |
Just amazing :D |
| MySecretFantasy 26.10.2017 16:40 |
OMFG!!! It was beautiful!!! Better than the original imho. |
| Vocal harmony 26.10.2017 16:40 |
That vocal really sits on top of the track. Kind of missed the backing vocals |
| GAP 26.10.2017 16:41 |
I have already listened this beautiful song. In only a few words: delicious and greatness. |
| MercurialFreddie 26.10.2017 16:41 |
Well, to be honest, I expected more... Freddie slightly oversings it but his voice and the overall delivery is beautiful! Why the hell the announcers didn't tell the listeners that this is a raw take, not the final finished, polished track ? Maybe it's gotta do something with the state of the tapes but at the beginning there is more tape hiss than in the later parts of the track. |
| PabloArg 26.10.2017 16:42 |
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| MercurialFreddie 26.10.2017 16:42 |
Amazing, indeed! Yes, us used to the backing vocals felt that something's missing. |
| ggo1 26.10.2017 16:43 |
I enjoyed that. Different first verse, rest of the song pretty much the same. They left it as just Freddie vocals, no backing vocals at all. Lovely to hear something new sung by Freddie, however I can see why they went with the Brian vocal. I think this bonus News Of The World album is going to be a fascinating listen based on the 27.2% of it we've heard to date. |
| QSMJohn 26.10.2017 16:45 |
This was really amazing !!!! The 'Memories, my memories' part was so beautiful :) |
| Ramsed 26.10.2017 16:52 |
For those who did not tune in |
| Secretfantasy 26.10.2017 16:55 |
link |
| dastard 26.10.2017 16:56 |
It was slighty detuned and a bit faster. I have them both loaded as a multitrack but the Freddie version runs faster. |
| badboybez 26.10.2017 16:57 |
Amazing |
| GrowUpGlamberts 26.10.2017 17:02 |
Someone on QOL uploaded it to YouTube in 1080p HQ in this link: link Of course, Secretfantasy and Ramsed's links still work. |
| The Real Wizard 26.10.2017 17:06 |
Wow - exquisite. The opening lyrics from the liner notes are actually there. |
| Fly away 26.10.2017 17:24 |
re: Real Wizard: Yep, hearing that was a huge surprise, and now explains why they were in the liner notes. |
| IanR 26.10.2017 17:26 |
link |
| Golden Salmon 26.10.2017 17:30 |
Vastly superior version! I liked the song before, now I love it! Beyond Freddie's performance, the alternate lyrics are very welcome. Now we're talking, Queen Productions... |
| Pim Derks 26.10.2017 17:30 |
That's amazing! |
| paulosham 26.10.2017 17:44 |
link |
| mooghead 26.10.2017 17:45 |
"It was slighty detuned and a bit faster. I have them both loaded as a multitrack but the Freddie version runs faster." There is always some tit on hand with a sound editing programme and new material (or re releases) ready to point out flaws. You have impressed absolutely no one. |
| Sam99 26.10.2017 17:57 |
Great to hear this and they left it raw no BV’s nothing, what’s confusing me if I go back to my original LP this is billed as a duet and Fred is clearly in the. verses with Brian great to know at last about those unsung lines!! |
| gambri 26.10.2017 18:00 |
It's always nice to hear something new from Freddie, but I'm not an audio expert and I do not know what they have done but the voice does not sound natural. It could have been amazed. If you listen to My melancholy blues you can tell the difference. |
| cmsdrums 26.10.2017 18:04 |
Lovely to hear, but I prefer Brian’s vocal! |
| The Nosuch Disco 26.10.2017 18:05 |
Quite a quirky animated lyric video to go with it... link (sorry if someone has beaten me to it). |
| gambri 26.10.2017 18:19 |
Oh! the video is fantastic!!!!!!!!
And have Brian voice at the end.
The Nosuch Disco wrote: Quite a quirky animated lyric video to go with it... link (sorry if someone has beaten me to it). |
| gambri 26.10.2017 18:19 |
Oh! the video is fantastic!!!!!!!!
And have Brian voice at the end.
The Nosuch Disco wrote: Quite a quirky animated lyric video to go with it... link (sorry if someone has beaten me to it). |
| gambri 26.10.2017 18:19 |
Oh! the video is fantastic!!!!!!!!
And have Brian voice at the end.
The Nosuch Disco wrote: Quite a quirky animated lyric video to go with it... link (sorry if someone has beaten me to it). |
| gambri 26.10.2017 18:19 |
Oh! the video is fantastic!!!!!!!! And have Brian voice at the end. The Nosuch Disco wrote: Quite a quirky animated lyric video to go with it... link (sorry if someone has beaten me to it). |
| gambri 26.10.2017 18:20 |
FCKING repeat post, sorry. Its my internet connection. |
| dysan 26.10.2017 18:24 |
Hmmm. Not sure about this one TBH. Of course, fascinating to hear and amazing we are getting this - I think perhaps it been a song I've never liked. But agree that the sound is weird and ruins my enjoyment. |
| Chief Mouse 26.10.2017 18:32 |
Awesome! |
| whynot 26.10.2017 18:33 |
Superb version. Pity this was not released as the final version which made the album. |
| Holly2003 26.10.2017 18:38 |
Brian's version is beautiful of course, but to hear Fred's voice again is magnificent, just magnificent. |
| The Real Wizard 26.10.2017 18:52 |
mooghead wrote: "It was slighty detuned and a bit faster. I have them both loaded as a multitrack but the Freddie version runs faster." There is always some tit on hand with a sound editing programme and new material (or re releases) ready to point out flaws. You have impressed absolutely no one.No - they just haven't impressed you because you're a miserable twat. Plenty of people are interested in these details. You must be the life of the party. |
| Ozz 26.10.2017 18:52 |
"Memories, my memories..." link |
| Mr Mercury 26.10.2017 18:56 |
Thanks for the upload Ramsed. I really enjoyed this version. Great version and great to hear Freddie sing this :) |
| The Real Wizard 26.10.2017 18:58 |
cmsdrums wrote: Lovely to hear, but I prefer Brian’s vocal!Same here. It's nice to hear Mercury's take on it, but surely when they listened back in the control room, they agreed right there and then that it should be Brian's vocal. The song was so personal to him. It's just like Roger Daltrey saying no to Rough Boys. |
| escapist 26.10.2017 19:02 |
First thing that i noticed was the pitch in the backing track jumping up whenever Brian comes in - such poor editing. Shame as it's a fascinating version. |
| splicksplack 26.10.2017 19:04 |
They could have made a lovely finished track with this. Freddie's vocal is superb. It would have been a great new track. Unfortunately they've purposefully spoilt that by not mixing it down with the backing vocals and not generally cleaning it up. I don't see myself listening to a track with the vocal so aggressively forward in the mix and a load of hiss going on. I can only assume that Brian does not want a real alternative version to compete with the original. As beautiful as Freddie's vocal is this is just a studio curiosity. |
| raucousmonster 26.10.2017 19:12 |
Lovely. Feels like an early run through vocal to me. It doesn't have the usual polish of a fully committed Freddie vocal take and the lack of backing vocals supports that idea in my mind. I haven't checked yet but is this in the same key as Brian's version? Seems to be on first listen anyway so it's a shame not to have the full backing enjoyed by the album version. Still, what a genuine treat. |
| user1 26.10.2017 19:15 |
gambri wrote: Oh! the video is fantastic!!!!!!!! And have Brian voice at the end. The Nosuch Disco wrote: Quite a quirky animated lyric video to go with it... link "The specially created soundtrack to this 'All Dead, All Dead’ lyric video features an exclusive hybrid of the ‘News Of The World: Raw Sessions’ original rough mix and the classic 1977 album version. Created by Unanico Studios, Directed by Jason Jameson & Robert Milne " 2017 Frankenstein version of a studio version and a rough mix (really the one from 1977?) - not for me, moving on. |
| raucousmonster 26.10.2017 19:17 |
Yeah, the more I listen to it the more it feels like the key is to low for Freddie which is why Brian's seems stronger. But I love how he bends notes here and adds little vocal tricks there that are absent from Brian's more straightforward, plaintive vocal. What a natural performer Freddie really was. |
| The Nosuch Disco 26.10.2017 19:41 |
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| The Nosuch Disco 26.10.2017 19:41 |
Sorry, Just realised, the version I posted with the cat video is indeed a Hybrid of the original and raw version! - Not the version they played on the radio |
| Sebastian 26.10.2017 19:45 |
raucousmonster wrote: Yeah, the more I listen to it the more it feels like the key is to low for Freddie which is why Brian's seems stronger. But I love how he bends notes here and adds little vocal tricks there that are absent from Brian's more straightforward, plaintive vocal. What a natural performer Freddie really was.I beg to differ: Frederick's low range is strong in this recording, far stronger than Brian's, who sounds like he's whispering sometimes... which, obviously, fits the track as well. All in all, I've always adored this song, and I love both versions now. |
| people on streets 26.10.2017 20:09 |
Beautiful. So beautiful. The intro is amazing. I agree with Sebastian. I've always loved the song so much. Now I love both :) |
| brians wig 26.10.2017 20:28 |
Hmm. The Hybrid version uploaded on the official Queen site is nice. Surprises me that they didn't stick this on the Raw CD instead of the full Freddie version! |
| GT 26.10.2017 20:38 |
I said it was good and a travesty if this was not on the NOTW box set. So glad it is. Sounds great and love the cute video too. |
| Ivo-1976 26.10.2017 21:33 |
Lovely! Why do we have to wait so long for beauties like this.... |
| cmsdrums 26.10.2017 21:42 |
splicksplack wrote: They could have made a lovely finished track with this. Freddie's vocal is superb. It would have been a great new track. Unfortunately they've purposefully spoilt that by not mixing it down with the backing vocals and not generally cleaning it up. I don't see myself listening to a track with the vocal so aggressively forward in the mix and a load of hiss going on. I can only assume that Brian does not want a real alternative version to compete with the original. As beautiful as Freddie's vocal is this is just a studio curiosity.Surely that's is the whole point - it IS a studio curiosity and that's what it's supposed to be..it's not meant to be a finished polished piece to rival the album version. |
| splicksplack 26.10.2017 22:16 |
cmsdrums wrote:^splicksplack wrote: They could have made a lovely finished track with this. Freddie's vocal is superb. It would have been a great new track. Unfortunately they've purposefully spoilt that by not mixing it down with the backing vocals and not generally cleaning it up. I don't see myself listening to a track with the vocal so aggressively forward in the mix and a load of hiss going on. I can only assume that Brian does not want a real alternative version to compete with the original. As beautiful as Freddie's vocal is this is just a studio curiosity.Surely that's is the whole point - it IS a studio curiosity and that's what it's supposed to be..it's not meant to be a finished polished piece to rival the album version. Yeah, I do get that. I just think it's a lost oppertunity (maybe due to Brian's ego?). I just don't see it as warranting a lot of listens as a (let's face it) 'constructed' studio item. It will sit on the shelf with all the other titbits whereas a fully finished track would withstand many more plays I'm sure Freddie as lead singer had a crack at all the songs he didn't end up featuring on. If All Dead has surfaced there could be others. Imagine Leaving Home Ain't Easy, Long Away or Rock It (all the way through). |
| Another Roger (re) 26.10.2017 23:08 |
Sebastian wrote:I know that Freddie is very good in the lower register. But there is something with this song that makes me feel that he can't take advantage of his abilities to full like he f.ex did in "Let me in your heart again" which is an amazing vocal. It feels like he is more trapped within Brians melody here. I dont know if I make sense, but I felt that he changed more of the melody lines and phrasing in Let me in your heart again.raucousmonster wrote: Yeah, the more I listen to it the more it feels like the key is to low for Freddie which is why Brian's seems stronger. But I love how he bends notes here and adds little vocal tricks there that are absent from Brian's more straightforward, plaintive vocal. What a natural performer Freddie really was.I beg to differ: Frederick's low range is strong in this recording, far stronger than Brian's, who sounds like he's whispering sometimes... which, obviously, fits the track as well. All in all, I've always adored this song, and I love both versions now. But I did enjoy the new version with Freddie on vocals a lot. It is always great to hear new things from him. |
| brandywine 26.10.2017 23:56 |
Very nice rendition. Some thoughts... Seems like the tempo is a bit faster, could just be my ears but it seems a bit more bouncy. Loved some of the little runs freddie throws in there especially with it being outside of the vocal register that hes famous for |
| MercurialFreddie 27.10.2017 00:04 |
I love how well in the Freddie's version the piano passage is clearly audible while on the album version it is buried beneath the guitar solo... :) ! |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 27.10.2017 00:53 |
Wonderful rendition of the song! Oh, and the expectation to hear it's premiere on BBCR2 was also a joy in itself. Cheers, Ogre- |
| Cruella de Vil 27.10.2017 01:11 |
Hey, I think think that the hybrid version is fine as a vehicle to promote the release and the video is just really effective...dare I say it, "Cute". |
| Makka 27.10.2017 01:26 |
It certainly gives the song a different feel to me with Fred's voice. Sounds like a nice little outtake that has been saved and I'm glad they kept it raw. |
| Jimmy Dean 27.10.2017 04:52 |
this is pure ear candy for me. how many times have i heard this thinking how would it sound w Freddie on vocals. how many times!? only wished i waited to hear it when the box came to my door |
| Jimmy Dean 27.10.2017 04:54 |
now that i've heard it - he sang it in too low a key for his voice . I prefer Brian's vocal to this version - but will listen to this one many many many more times! |
| dudeofqueen 27.10.2017 05:07 |
I've always thought, though, that the lyrics are too verbose and that (now) both Brian and Freddie are struggling to keep up with the backing track and squeeze all the words in. I find myself wanting it to swing and be nice and laid-back with how the backing track is paced but end up with a pseudo "Stone Cold Crazy". Not too concerned about sound quality as only listening on a tinny phone, but this vocal just drips with passion and emotion. Absolutely love it. |
| Jam Monkey 27.10.2017 07:10 |
Greg Brooks explained at the convention that he found this track on a cassette in Brian's collection. They don't have a multitrack tape of it, so making into a finished song isn't really an option.
cmsdrums wrote:splicksplack wrote: They could have made a lovely finished track with this. Freddie's vocal is superb. It would have been a great new track. Unfortunately they've purposefully spoilt that by not mixing it down with the backing vocals and not generally cleaning it up. I don't see myself listening to a track with the vocal so aggressively forward in the mix and a load of hiss going on. I can only assume that Brian does not want a real alternative version to compete with the original. As beautiful as Freddie's vocal is this is just a studio curiosity.Surely that's is the whole point - it IS a studio curiosity and that's what it's supposed to be..it's not meant to be a finished polished piece to rival the album version. |
| Golden Salmon 27.10.2017 07:19 |
If All Dead has surfaced there could be others. Imagine Leaving Home Ain't Easy, Long Away or Rock It (all the way through).Freddie did sing Rock It live, so there must be some decent recording of his vocals somewhere. Jam Monkey wrote: Greg Brooks explained at the convention that he found this track on a cassette in Brian's collection. They don't have a multitrack tape of it, so making into a finished song isn't really an option.^Didn't he say that about Sleeping on the Sidewalk rather than ADAD? |
| dysan 27.10.2017 07:23 |
Planet Of The Apes moment at the end of the video! |
| splicksplack 27.10.2017 07:44 |
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| dastard 27.10.2017 07:46 |
mooghead wrote: "It was slighty detuned and a bit faster. I have them both loaded as a multitrack but the Freddie version runs faster." There is always some tit on hand with a sound editing programme and new material (or re releases) ready to point out flaws. You have impressed absolutely no one.You only post to impress someone? I am not, i was just stating that the speed and tuning was different. That is because i wanted to mix the two versions together, sorry that i am not meeting your standards.And that you use this forum and your time to point out your dislikes about other people, little bit sad ain't it? |
| splicksplack 27.10.2017 07:58 |
Jam Monkey wrote: Greg Brooks explained at the convention that he found this track on a cassette in Brian's collection. They don't have a multitrack tape of it, so making into a finished song isn't really an option.Well, I'd take anything GB says with a pinch of salt (don't forget the is the man who reckons Tori Amos wrote a song about him, but Tori Amos's own accounts say something totally different about the song's origination). The man appears to exist in a toxic cloud of self-importance that is, in my opinion, detrimental to the legacy of the band that employ him. But hey, they're doing a bad enough job with it themselves so why bother about GB and his fantasies? I think it stretches credibility that the only surviving copies of some of Freddie's vocals from an album recording session in 1977 (2 years on from Bohemian Rhapsody) would be on a cassette. Anyway, with today's technology it would be a relatively simple matter to extract that vocal and drop into one of the existing mixes with the required speed and pitch changes and cook up a bloody good version. |
| brians wig 27.10.2017 08:16 |
Golden Salmon wrote:Greg said at the start of his session that one track had come form a cassette and I'd quite naturally assumed it was the live one.Jam Monkey wrote: Greg Brooks explained at the convention that he found this track on a cassette in Brian's collection. They don't have a multitrack tape of it, so making into a finished song isn't really an option.^Didn't he say that about Sleeping on the Sidewalk rather than ADAD? Maybe I was wrong and Jam Monkey picked up on something i didn't. Easily done when you've got extraneous noise around you and sometimes miss hearing bits. If this IS the case though, does that mean the 'x' number of recordings used to create SOTS are proper multitrack sounddesk recordings? I'd have thought that they too would be from cassette unless the band purposely planned to release a live album - recording multitracks for EVERY concert would be expensive. |
| Viper 27.10.2017 08:38 |
Great! Amazing! Incredibel intro! Freddie sings beautifully! |
| MrFunster 27.10.2017 08:40 |
link Please check these instrumental with great FM backing vocals. Maybe someone can use this with the new FM vocals. |
| Sunshine 27.10.2017 08:57 |
OK I listened to it multiple times. I actually don't like it. Freddie sings with unusual 'false air' and is not articulating the words in a good manner. Plus he oversings it. I just think it's not his song i guess. As with many Brian's self sung and personal songs, Brian's emotion is making a big difference in the final performance. Too Much Love Will Kill You is another example where i prefer Brian's much more emotional but less technical rendition. Sometimes less is more, and that also goes for All Dead All Dead. |
| Rick 27.10.2017 09:21 |
Sunshine wrote: OK I listened to it multiple times. I actually don't like it. Freddie sings with unusual 'false air' and is not articulating the words in a good manner. Plus he oversings it. I just think it's not his song i guess. As with many Brian's self sung and personal songs, Brian's emotion is making a big difference in the final performance. Too Much Love Will Kill You is another example where i prefer Brian's much more emotional but less technical rendition. Sometimes less is more, and that also goes for All Dead All Dead.I agree. Still, nice to have this version too. |
| tomchristie22 27.10.2017 09:37 |
Quite lovely. Glad they ultimately dropped the intro vocals, and glad they ultimately went with Brian for the lead - Freddie's vibrato is a bit much for the song. Brian's resignation is a much better fit. Wonder why they shifted to the studio version from the middle eight onward? Did Freddie never record vocal for the final verse? Weird. |
| Biggus Dickus 27.10.2017 09:45 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Quite lovely. Glad they ultimately dropped the intro vocals, and glad they ultimately went with Brian for the lead - Freddie's vibrato is a bit much for the song. Brian's resignation is a much better fit. Wonder why they shifted to the studio version from the middle eight onward? Did Freddie never record vocal for the final verse? Weird.Listen to this version that's on the box set and you'll hear Freddie singing the last verse. link |
| wOvANz 27.10.2017 10:18 |
amazing |
| wOvANz 27.10.2017 10:45 |
like a black'n'white picture became colored |
| mike hunt 27.10.2017 12:32 |
This version could have been on A Day At The Races....I like the original, this version is equal, if not even a bit better. Weird hearing freddie sing in A Brian May style. I personally think If freddie sang it In his natural range it would be the best version of them all. Why don't the average person talk about Mercury/May as a Guitar/Singer combo like they talk about Plant/Page or Jagger/Richards. That voice was meant for that guitar....soul brothers. |
| cmsdrums 27.10.2017 13:04 |
So, did Freddie (and not Brian) actually play piano on this, as has been stated in the NOTW box set press blurb up to now, and was reiterated by Simon Mayo before he played the track? |
| LongShortSally 27.10.2017 13:46 |
Probably the reason why Mercury/May don't get paired up as Page/Plant or Jagger/Richards is they both don't write songs together. They normally write the majority of their works separately unlike the other duos. |
| mike hunt 27.10.2017 14:00 |
After repeat listening I'll go with the album version....I do like this rare version, but sounds more like an outake. Brian chose too sing certain songs for a reason. The one song that Roger sang I feel has #1 hit written all over it is Rock It Prime Jive...I like rogers version, but I could see Freddie killing it on that Track. Hopefully in a few years they do a boxset for The Game and a Freddie Version is on it. I remember a rumor a few years back that there was a superior Verson with Freddie on vocals that was in the vaults, but for some reason Roger wanted his version on the album. |
| dysan 27.10.2017 14:08 |
Totally agree. Rock It had HIT written all over it in '80 |
| matt z 27.10.2017 14:12 |
gambri wrote: It's always nice to hear something new from Freddie, but I'm not an audio expert and I do not know what they have done but the voice does not sound natural. It could have been amazed. If you listen to My melancholy blues you can tell the difference.Yeah. It sounds like it was deliberately "metered" (*if that explains it properly) to the final track. To my mind it seems as if the original Freddie element is likely a rough vocal and piano take that didn't match the final speed, rhythm and tempo of the more familiar final product. As if some of Freddie's expressions are "stretched" But who knows. It might be splicing together of several different rough takes. I doubt QPL would introduce take details for the release |
| Sebastian 27.10.2017 14:12 |
cmsdrums wrote: So, did Freddie (and not Brian) actually play piano on this, as has been stated in the NOTW box set press blurb up to now, and was reiterated by Simon Mayo before he played the track?Unlikely. Brian himself said (back in 2003) that it'd been him rather than Frederick. Unlike 'Sail Away Sweet Sister' (which does feature Frederick), 'All Dead' has no piano on its backing track, so there was no reason why Brian couldn't do it. Press releases, liner notes and DJ's can be mistaken ... as can Brian, but I trust 2003 Brian more than I trust 2017 Brian, even in the case he were to now claim it'd been Frederick on piano (if such a thing ever happened, I'd suspect it'd be to save face). mike hunt wrote: Brian chose too sing certain songs for a reason.Yes, but that wasn't necessarily the right reason. What if Fred had decided to play the guitar solo on some of his songs? |
| dastard 27.10.2017 17:25 |
Here is a little mix i made! I think there is too much reverb on Freddie's vocals, but hey let me know what you think. |
| dysan 27.10.2017 20:42 |
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| dysan 27.10.2017 20:42 |
Sorry wrong forum. |
| Vocal harmony 27.10.2017 21:09 |
madmega wrote: Here is a little mix i made!. . . . .What, another one, there's already 4 of them! |
| eYe 28.10.2017 04:49 |
Freddie sounds like FAKE by Marc Martel... They made good decisions back then. |
| Plengel 28.10.2017 09:03 |
Simply wonderful! I always liked this song. On the original version, Brian sings it very beautiful, but the track sounds very polished to me, which blocks the emotion in this song a bit for me. Can't say which version I prefer, but what I'm really interested in is at what point the Freddie version was recorded. Did Brian bring the song to the studio and did the guys immediately started of with Freddie on vocals or was it that Brian was struggling with the song (vocals-wise) and Freddie asked if he could have a go at it? |
| MercurialFreddie 28.10.2017 12:46 |
@Madmega, that's a nice mix! Maybe too much reverb but that's nice. @Plengel Very interesting question! It would be also nice to know if the original Freddie take featured only him and the piano. |
| Q2 28.10.2017 14:49 |
I'm just amazed that people are getting so excited about this realease??its far from being a classic album in my opinion,maybe it's all we are going to get for the next 5 years! |
| Sebastian 28.10.2017 15:05 |
Still way better than anything they've done lately. By far. |
| noorie 28.10.2017 15:48 |
I never liked this song, and always skipped it. It This morning I heard Freddie's version, and honestly, I am sobbing like a baby, don't know why!!! Can't stop! I know everybody thinks Brian's voice has more emotion, but when he sings it, it sounds like a proper dirge (which it is). This new version actually unlocked the emotion in me. Maybe because it is very raw...? I have been listening to it on a loop! |
| Sebastian 28.10.2017 17:29 |
noorie wrote: I know everybody thinks Brian's voice has more emotionNot everybody. Emotion is so subjective to measure. I like Brian's voice, but of course Frederick's was way, way better. |
| mike hunt 28.10.2017 18:19 |
Emotion in a singer is subjective....my opinion is Freddie sang songs like Love Of My Life and You Take My Breath Away and Save Me/Guide Me Home/How Can I Go On. How anybody could say emotion was a weak point of his is beyond me. And by the way, who's everyone? The same 10 people who post regulary on Queenzone? Ask non Queen lovers about Brians Vocal performace of We Will Rock You at the American songwriters HOF, and they will tell you how bad it was. Brian was only good on ballads that required limited Range. He picked his songs wisely with Queen. |
| Jam Monkey 28.10.2017 22:04 |
100% Greg said ADAD came from cassette
brians wig wrote:Golden Salmon wrote:Greg said at the start of his session that one track had come form a cassette and I'd quite naturally assumed it was the live one. Maybe I was wrong and Jam Monkey picked up on something i didn't. Easily done when you've got extraneous noise around you and sometimes miss hearing bits. If this IS the case though, does that mean the 'x' number of recordings used to create SOTS are proper multitrack sounddesk recordings? I'd have thought that they too would be from cassette unless the band purposely planned to release a live album - recording multitracks for EVERY concert would be expensive.Jam Monkey wrote: Greg Brooks explained at the convention that he found this track on a cassette in Brian's collection. They don't have a multitrack tape of it, so making into a finished song isn't really an option.^Didn't he say that about Sleeping on the Sidewalk rather than ADAD? |
| mike hunt 28.10.2017 22:59 |
I like the Intro The Memories haunt my days part...I wonder why they cut that out....It's called a rough mix for a reason folks. I think the song fits Brians voice, but I wonder what the finished version would sound like with freddie. Sounds like it have been better than the album version if worked on. |
| conundrumme 29.10.2017 13:51 |
In the early days the band came to a consensus that whoever brought the song to the table gets to see it all the way through. The song's personal to Brian so I won't be surprised if he insisted on having his own vocals on the final mix. |
| MercurialFreddie 29.10.2017 15:14 |
ADAD came from a cassette ? Does it mean that they don't store unfinished tracks and all the other stuff that was worked on on tapes ? :(( Or were they too lazy to go and dig into proper studio tapes ? Can we rely on GB on this one ? I mean... that sounds like Brian's cassette was the only existing tape in the whole wide world with the version of All Dead All Dead with Freddie on lead vocals... |
| Holly2003 29.10.2017 17:44 |
It just occurred to me Fred's version adds some poignancy to the line "All dead, all dead, in time it comes to everyone." For me, this version is no longer about Brian's moggie but about Fred. |
| Jam Monkey 29.10.2017 18:12 |
That's correct. GB said he heard everything in multitrack and then discovered this mix on cassette.
MercurialFreddie wrote: ADAD came from a cassette ? Does it mean that they don't store unfinished tracks and all the other stuff that was worked on on tapes ? :(( Or were they too lazy to go and dig into proper studio tapes ? Can we rely on GB on this one ? I mean... that sounds like Brian's cassette was the only existing tape in the whole wide world with the version of All Dead All Dead with Freddie on lead vocals... |
| mooghead 29.10.2017 18:17 |
Why 40 years ago would a band make a conscious decision to keep things on tape in the event of a release for the next 3/4 generations? That is why we should be grateful for stuff like this and not slagging them off. |
| MercurialFreddie 29.10.2017 18:33 |
Moog, we are grateful, really, but you must remember that depending on the source on which the track is stored, quality of said track varies. So we can all thank Brian for keeping this cassette (and all the others) whole this time because if he wouldn't do that then we could only hear that Freddie did a take of ADAD but the recording is lost. This reminds me... Wasn't Brian's house robbed some years ago and someone stole some of his cassette tapes ? Or was this a rumour ? |
| Sebastian 29.10.2017 22:33 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Can we rely on GB on this one ?He's been wrong many times, and he's been right many times. This could be a typical example of ... either case. |
| Golden Salmon 30.10.2017 08:54 |
"Mr. Brooks, which track is sourced from a cassette: ADAD or SOTS?" GB: "Yes." |
| MercurialFreddie 30.10.2017 13:38 |
Well, imagine yourself being an artist in a recording studio, you do many things, tracks that don't get on the final product, rough takes, demos etc... and being in artist's shoes, I cannot imagine, throwing away, discarding a piece with no way of recovering it! A rough take, nearly unfinished track took time for all of the band members to make it even if it's not perfect. Not only "emotional" reasons - as some would call them - are there to keep unfinished tracks, demos etc. If they would like to finish the track at later stage in the recording sessions or generally to work more on it then there's no reason to throw it away (the perfect example here would be "There must be more to life than this" which Freddie [firstly with Michael then with the band] worked on in 1981, 1982 and then in 1984). I suppose that we won't get specific information about Freddie's version of ADAD ? Did he make more attempts at singing lead vocals on this track ? Are there more of his takes of ADAD ? Can someone tell me what's going on in the backing track when Freddie starts to sing the line "Her ways are always with me..." ??? |
| Sunshine 30.10.2017 14:07 |
Mercurial Freddie, i don't think it works like this like an artist. I was present the recent Innuendo sessions and Noel Harris underlined how critical Freddie was. Noel would often hear a perfect take and Freddie would say: nah this isn't good enough, discard it. Even though Noel was resistant in discarding a beautifiul perfect take, Freddie was persistant and demanded it to be discarded. it is fully to Noel's stubborness that he kept Freddie's takes anyway. So it is quite likely that in 1977 the unsatisfying and unused takes were discarded and only some material was kept. Plus, i think there was also difference between the bandmembers. Brian was more a collector of his and Queen's material, Freddie saw it as disposble pop music, so that might explain why many vocal takes of Freddie might be lost. |
| Sebastian 30.10.2017 15:10 |
I like how similar they sound on 'while'. |
| escapist 30.10.2017 19:15 |
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| escapist 30.10.2017 19:19 |
Here's my attempt at making a proper hybrid of the album mix and the new outtake - link I loved the idea for the lyric video but found the edits poorly executed. So here, I have tried to make a more seamless listening experience and also added the backing vocals and harmonies to the Freddie version whilst keeping the pitch consistent with the released version. |
| escapist 30.10.2017 19:19 |
double post |
| mooghead 30.10.2017 19:33 |
"Well, imagine yourself being an artist in a recording studio, you do many things, tracks that don't get on the final product, rough takes, demos etc... and being in artist's shoes, I cannot imagine, throwing away, discarding a piece with no way of recovering it!" At most you had 24 tracks of tape in the mid 70's, not an infinite amount like now. Studio time was expensive, doesn't matter who you were you had to be efficient as it was all coming out of your own pocket... probably why there hasn't been anything like this for the previous albums. |
| MercurialFreddie 30.10.2017 21:19 |
I agree with you, Moog, efficiency was very important especially considering Queen's situation with their manager before John Reid stepped in. I just thought that bearing in mind, that there are outtakes from the ANATO sessions and in some rare cases outtakes from the previous recording sessions... that guided by that logic we can assume that raw takes, unfinished tracks, demoes are still there on tapes stored in The Legendary Queen Vault. @Sunshine, well... we definitely should thank Brian! Of course we cannot make an argument with Noel and all the studio team but when you think about Yellow Breezes, Gazelle and demos like that... well... maybe Freddie only became so critical after 1986 :)) ? There is also question of the source as I think I did not worded my thought quite precisely. Is Brian's cassette the only material on which one would originally find version of ADAD with Freddie on vocals ? If the tape ever existed then something other was recorded on it and the recording in question was discarded ? Is anything peculiar going on with the tape / backing track in the place when Freddie sings "Her ways are always with me" ? |
| Holly2003 30.10.2017 21:57 |
The DJ says this version of ADAD is from a multitrack but he could be wrong. Fred sings "mourning always with me" not "Her ways are always with me". That awkward bit is an attempt to splice Fred's demo vocals with the album version. |
| MercurialFreddie 30.10.2017 22:41 |
Holly, yes I also hear this but there is something wrong going on with the backing track like a damaged tape or something bad.... I hope that the state of BM's cassette is okay, do any of you know how looks the process of degrading when it comes to cassette tapes ? We can assume that Brian May as a perfectionist stores his cassettes in a well conditions but the question remains how better would it sound 40 years ago when it was recorded...? |
| Holly2003 31.10.2017 10:39 |
I don't know what you mean. The backing track cuts out at that point so that Fred can sing the line. That's what happened in the original too: the guitar orchestration ended and Brian started to sing. I get the impression, although I could be wrong, that Fred sang and played piano on one tape and that's been added for this release to a backing track. I doubt very much that the backing track is in any way "damaged". Trying to merge Fred's vocal and piano, which may be different speed and key than the backing tape, is going to result is problems at some point in the recording. I suspect what you're hearing is one of those problems. That's the problem with these modern composite versions: as great as it is to hear Fred's magnificent voice, it may have been better to let us have just the original vocals/piano rather than try to create a full song out of it. But we don't know for sure as we don't have access to the raw takes. Mind you, Let Me In Your Heart Again turned out well -- both versions -- so maybe it should be judged song by song. Personally I'm very happy this has been released, whereas the new composite versions of WATC and WWRY are less successful. |
| bucsateflon 31.10.2017 18:45 |
Brian's version is better no doubt, that's why they chose this version for the album. Freddie does it in the style of many of hes piano driven songs, nothing too special but Brian does it totally originally sounding for Queen and even for much of the rock scene at the time, probably. |
| gran rey rata 01.11.2017 17:39 |
Hi. I have read the opinions of different members of Queenzone, and I respect them. But a few, as always, complaining about this version. That Freddie does not sound good on the low notes, that the rhythm of the song is somewhat faster than the original, and a large number of etcs. Come on people! It is unpublished material that we tire of claiming Queen Productions, and now that we have something new we keep complaining? We will never be satisfied? Greetings to all. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 18:34 |
Oh yea, that's a fact gran.....this is why Queen productions don't release these type of rarities. I could see if this was Freddie's final version, then you could complain that it didn't fit his voice, but this is obviously an unfinished version, An outtake, not sure why people would complain about that. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 18:36 |
Early version songs of songs rarely sound great. Maybe they shouldn't release anything that's 100% finished. |
| RS_Protos 01.11.2017 19:03 |
Personally any early demo etc sounds great to me. No one should be complaining, this is what we all want......................... |
| mooghead 01.11.2017 19:42 |
"No one should be complaining" Only 136 posts.. such a young one xx Queen could email every Queen fan on Earth a digital copy of every tape they have ever recorded onto and people will still whinge and want more, but without having to pay. Something you just have to get used to :-( |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:24 |
I'm not paying for this boxset....In this day and age you Just listen to these rare Tracks on Youtube a few times, and be done with it. A proper Anthology is the only Queen Product I would pay for. I might even pass on that since we heard most of it already. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:24 |
I'm not paying for this boxset....In this day and age you Just listen to these rare Tracks on Youtube a few times, and be done with it. A proper Anthology is the only Queen Product I would pay for. I might even pass on that since we heard most of it already. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:24 |
I'm not paying for this boxset....In this day and age you Just listen to these rare Tracks on Youtube a few times, and be done with it. A proper Anthology is the only Queen Product I would pay for. I might even pass on that since we heard most of it already. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:24 |
I'm not paying for this boxset....In this day and age you Just listen to these rare Tracks on Youtube a few times, and be done with it. A proper Anthology is the only Queen Product I would pay for. I might even pass on that since we heard most of it already. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:25 |
I'm not paying for this boxset....In this day and age you Just listen to these rare Tracks on Youtube a few times, and be done with it. A proper Anthology is the only Queen Product I would pay for. I might even pass on that since we heard most of it already. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:25 |
I'm not paying for this boxset....In this day and age you Just listen to these rare Tracks on Youtube a few times, and be done with it. A proper Anthology is the only Queen Product I would pay for. I might even pass on that since we heard most of it already. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:26 |
6 |
| mike hunt 01.11.2017 21:26 |
6 |
| Daniel Nester 02.11.2017 01:35 |
So, not paying for this boxset then? |
| BETA215 02.11.2017 01:49 |
Looks like he won't pay for that hahahaha |
| Dr Magus 02.11.2017 11:53 |
Value for money is all we want. |
| mike hunt 02.11.2017 14:40 |
Yea, I think I made it clear I won't be paying for that lousy Boxset...lol. |
