Golden Salmon 14.10.2017 10:20 |
Hi there! Since we are never, ever going to get any official release of this song, neither studio nor live, I was wondering if there's a consensus on the most complete / best sounding / most interesting Hangman recording. The "best" one I have is that from live at the Budokan (May 1st 1975). And by that I mean that I think it's got the clearest sound and seems to be the most complete one I have, but since I'm no expert on live Queen recordings at all, I'm willing to stand corrected and be enlightened by the wise minds here. |
Cruella de Vil 14.10.2017 11:36 |
Agreed. I had a quick listen to Manchester 73 and I have a soft spot for Freddie's high pitched 'woos' in the final section. Nonetheless, the Budokan recording just grunts and grinds beautifully. C'mon John S. Stuart let's hear the studio version! I have always liked this track, coming as a complete surprise and rave up on the Mercury Poisoning bootleg LP in 76. This is not to everyone's taste but, listen again to the double time drum beat and it easily predates Stone Cold Crazy as proto-trash metal. |
Seed_Of_Rhy 14.10.2017 13:04 |
Always thought that Stone Cold Crazy it's kinda proto-speed one...it sounds too soft to trash %) |
bootlegger 14.10.2017 16:26 |
indeed, the magic of the bootlegging gave us that tune....but it first surfaced on the Kimono my place state of art. |
dysan 14.10.2017 17:08 |
'listen again to the double time drum beat and it easily predates Stone Cold Crazy as proto-trash metal.' - not strictly true as SCC was notoriously the very first tune Queen worked on together. However, the early version was slower so perhaps that's why Hangman never got released as it was too similar? Good thread. Good chat. |
mooghead 14.10.2017 20:56 |
The horrendously awful recordings of this 'song' make me think it should stay in the bin. |
Ale Solan 15.10.2017 00:33 |
Cruella de Vil wrote: Agreed. I had a quick listen to Manchester 73 and I have a soft spot for Freddie's high pitched 'woos' in the final section. Nonetheless, the Budokan recording just grunts and grinds beautifully. C'mon John S. Stuart let's hear the studio version! I have always liked this track, coming as a complete surprise and rave up on the Mercury Poisoning bootleg LP in 76. This is not to everyone's taste but, listen again to the double time drum beat and it easily predates Stone Cold Crazy as proto-trash metal.Hangman it's in Queen Productions' hands now. |
Ale Solan 15.10.2017 00:34 |
mooghead wrote: The horrendously awful recordings of this 'song' make me think it should stay in the bin.Have you heard 'Young Nobles Nobles of Rock' by Tarantura Records? |
reesefallon 15.10.2017 02:32 |
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inu-liger 15.10.2017 06:42 |
Ale Solan wrote:When did that happen?Cruella de Vil wrote: Agreed. I had a quick listen to Manchester 73 and I have a soft spot for Freddie's high pitched 'woos' in the final section. Nonetheless, the Budokan recording just grunts and grinds beautifully. C'mon John S. Stuart let's hear the studio version! I have always liked this track, coming as a complete surprise and rave up on the Mercury Poisoning bootleg LP in 76. This is not to everyone's taste but, listen again to the double time drum beat and it easily predates Stone Cold Crazy as proto-trash metal.Hangman it's in Queen Productions' hands now. |
SpaceGrey 15.10.2017 07:30 |
inu-liger wrote:in dreamsAle Solan wrote:When did that happen?Cruella de Vil wrote: Agreed. I had a quick listen to Manchester 73 and I have a soft spot for Freddie's high pitched 'woos' in the final section. Nonetheless, the Budokan recording just grunts and grinds beautifully. C'mon John S. Stuart let's hear the studio version! I have always liked this track, coming as a complete surprise and rave up on the Mercury Poisoning bootleg LP in 76. This is not to everyone's taste but, listen again to the double time drum beat and it easily predates Stone Cold Crazy as proto-trash metal.Hangman it's in Queen Productions' hands now. |
SpaceGrey 15.10.2017 07:31 |
Ale Solan wrote:Source?Cruella de Vil wrote: Agreed. I had a quick listen to Manchester 73 and I have a soft spot for Freddie's high pitched 'woos' in the final section. Nonetheless, the Budokan recording just grunts and grinds beautifully. C'mon John S. Stuart let's hear the studio version! I have always liked this track, coming as a complete surprise and rave up on the Mercury Poisoning bootleg LP in 76. This is not to everyone's taste but, listen again to the double time drum beat and it easily predates Stone Cold Crazy as proto-trash metal.Hangman it's in Queen Productions' hands now. |
Golden Salmon 15.10.2017 12:45 |
Was Hangman last performed in 1975? By then Queen had already released 3 albums and ANATO was probably in the making by the last time they dabbled in with the song, either in public or behind closed doors. If that's the case, there must be a chance of a recording existing in releasable quality. There must be at least a demo or final version, a rehearsal, any sort of decent quality live recording inside Queen Productions's vault, etc. Not that I believe we will ever see anything officially released within our life spans, but still... |
Vocal harmony 15.10.2017 13:40 |
Golden Salmon wrote: Was Hangman last performed in 1975? By then Queen had already released 3 albums and ANATO was probably in the making by the last time they dabbled in with the song, either in public or behind closed doors. If that's the case, there must be a chance of a recording existing in releasable quality. There must be at least a demo or final version, a rehearsal, any sort of decent quality live recording inside Queen Productions's vault, etc. Not that I believe we will ever see anything officially released within our life spans, but still...I'm sure you are right, it must have been recorded during sessions for one of the first three albums. Has anybody tried asking Roy Thomas Baker? It is quite possible that it is sitting on a shelf, we are all aware that QP have sat on other things, one or two, which had come to light over the years have been a real surprise. So while a big part of me says never, there is a small amount of hope that something will appear in the coming years. |
bootLuca 15.10.2017 14:28 |
Golden Salmon wrote: Was Hangman last performed in 1975?If I remember correctly, the last performance was in Tokyo april 1st 1976 |
Ale Solan 15.10.2017 18:37 |
SpaceGrey wrote:Because of your "in dreams" I'm only gonna replay to inu-liger thru private.Ale Solan wrote:Source?Cruella de Vil wrote: Agreed. I had a quick listen to Manchester 73 and I have a soft spot for Freddie's high pitched 'woos' in the final section. Nonetheless, the Budokan recording just grunts and grinds beautifully. C'mon John S. Stuart let's hear the studio version! I have always liked this track, coming as a complete surprise and rave up on the Mercury Poisoning bootleg LP in 76. This is not to everyone's taste but, listen again to the double time drum beat and it easily predates Stone Cold Crazy as proto-trash metal.Hangman it's in Queen Productions' hands now. |
Ale Solan 15.10.2017 18:41 |
bootLuca wrote:Hangman was played for the last time in 1977, on early shows of the ANATO tour. That's all the info I have.Golden Salmon wrote: Was Hangman last performed in 1975?If I remember correctly, the last performance was in Tokyo april 1st 1976 |
Ale Solan 15.10.2017 18:46 |
Inu, PM sent ! |
SpaceGrey 15.10.2017 18:54 |
Ale Solan wrote: Inu, PM sent !send me too, please |
Barry Durex 15.10.2017 19:35 |
Ale Solan wrote: Hangman was played for the last time in 1977, on early shows of the ANATO tour. That's all the info I have.ADATR? |
Cruella de Vil 16.10.2017 02:38 |
Dear Ale Solan, in terms of what recordings are available, It should be 1976,not 1977: - Milwaukee, (where it was shortened to lead into Moder Times Rock'n'Roll) and a few dates in Japan, 31 Mar being the last known live recording. |
The Real Wizard 16.10.2017 03:05 |
Cruella de Vil wrote: Dear Ale Solan, in terms of what recordings are available, It should be 1976,not 1977: - Milwaukee, (where it was shortened to lead into Moder Times Rock'n'Roll) and a few dates in Japan, 31 Mar being the last known live recording.The last known recording is actually April 1 in Tokyo, and it was performed later that month in Australia as well. |
Ale Solan 16.10.2017 03:18 |
Barry Durex wrote:That's right! Mind fart lolAle Solan wrote: Hangman was played for the last time in 1977, on early shows of the ANATO tour. That's all the info I have.ADATR? |
Ale Solan 16.10.2017 03:20 |
Cruella de Vil wrote: Dear Ale Solan, in terms of what recordings are available, It should be 1976,not 1977: - Milwaukee, (where it was shortened to lead into Moder Times Rock'n'Roll) and a few dates in Japan, 31 Mar being the last known live recording.Not known doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hangman was played for the last time in 1977. Remember what happened with Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke from Rainbow '74. |
Ale Solan 16.10.2017 03:32 |
Jesus from 1971 and Stone Cold Crazy from 1970 are not circulating but they exist. Everything exists whether you've heard it or not. |
Golden Salmon 16.10.2017 11:29 |
^Can I have that ultra-secret information through PM too, please? :-P So Hangman was seemingly performed live up until 1977... How unusual is this among rock bands, playing an original, never released song live only, stemming from their first album sessions? By the way, just to keep on topic... what is considered the best available Hangman recording, by consensus? |
Vocal harmony 16.10.2017 13:37 |
^^ Tori Amos used to play a song (can't remember the title) quite regularly which was unreleased. Frank Zappa played some things live before they were released as album tracks. Pink Floyd in the 70's used to play shows in which the setlist would be partly made up of the next album usually in a slightly different form to what would eventually be recorded, but Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, and Animals all appeared live in some cases two years before the album was released or even recorded. So I guess at the time Queen weren't the only band playing something that hadn't been released. |
Golden Salmon 16.10.2017 15:40 |
^I see, but somehow Hangman doesn't quite fit into that. It's possibly one of their earliest songs that never made it to any album or anything, yet they kept on playing it live exclusively. It's not quite the same as a new song from an upcoming album that would be released later on, such as You Take My Breath Away and others debuting live. Did the song actually evolve over the years? As in significant differences in lyrics or structure. I'm not sure but I think it was mostly the same over the years, meaning that they probably didn't plan on recording it properly after the first or second album - but why was it never included as a b-side or bonus? |
Ale Solan 16.10.2017 17:50 |
Golden Salmon wrote: but why was it never included as a b-side or bonus?Band's decision. It happens all the time. |
Ale Solan 16.10.2017 17:51 |
Golden Salmon wrote: By the way, just to keep on topic... what is considered the best available Hangman recording, by consensus?Again, 'Young Nobles of Rock and Roll' by Tarantura |
IanR 16.10.2017 22:12 |
Vocal harmony wrote: ^^ Tori Amos used to play a song (can't remember the title) quite regularly which was unreleased.Was that the ditty allegedly written about our friend the archivist? |
dudeofqueen 16.10.2017 22:24 |
Doesn't exist. They never played it live. Familiar bells....... |
N0_Camping4U 17.10.2017 02:10 |
Can I too be PM'd, please? |
Ale Solan 17.10.2017 03:42 |
N0_Camping4U wrote: Can I too be PM'd, please?There is not secret. As I said, QPL have Hangman's acetate in their hands, that's all. |
dudeofqueen 17.10.2017 05:33 |
Ale, re: >Hangman's acetate in their hands, that's all. Can you expand on that at all? Do you know any detail behind why it went from JSS and under what circumstances? Reall miss John's contributions...... |
dysan 17.10.2017 07:02 |
The whole Hangman thing is certainly a nice curio. |
Golden Salmon 17.10.2017 07:49 |
Has Brian or any other band member ever mentioned anything about this song in any interview? I'd love to know what they thought of it and why they considered it a worthy addition to their setlist despite not being on a record. |
Dr Magus 17.10.2017 11:32 |
QPL are considering adding Hangman as an extra track on the next Live At Wembley release. Only on the vinyl edition though which will be £200. |
Vocal harmony 17.10.2017 14:09 |
Dr Magus wrote: QPL are considering adding Hangman as an extra track on the next Live At Wembley release. Only on the vinyl edition though which will be £200.Will that be direct from the studio master or a Moby remix with a reggae back beat and synth Bass!! |
Golden Salmon 17.10.2017 14:27 |
^Adam Lambert version with Paul Rodgers on backing vocals. |