| dudeofqueen 10.10.2017 13:21 |
Any contributors here with anything interesting in terms of Queen news from the Convention last weekend? |
| brians wig 10.10.2017 14:28 |
Only that Greg played some of the raw sessions tracks. Don't want to spoil anthing, but WWRY and WATC are pants in comparison to what's due! SHA is instrumantal with backing vocs only. FFTI sounds like the finished instrumetal take but with Roger's demo vocs added. SOTS is an amazing live recording that seems to go on forever, with Fred on lead vocals. Don't expect to discover where it was recorded from though. They're not officially saying, though America in 77 is as close as we'll get (and that wasn't announced by Greg...) All Dead, All Dead. Just WOW. The best track by far (and yes, Greg played "It's Late" as well.) I'm saying very little other than expect different vocals, emotionally delivered in places you'd never expect. Yes. It's ALL Freddie :) There are still 3 songs missing their multitracks thus one of the reasons there isn't a surround mix (shouldn't have stopped them fromdoing the others though), but most frustratingly there is no acceptable reason why there isn't a studio demo of "Sleeping". QPL simply decided to include a live version on the disc. Quite frankly, that should have been on D3 with the other live material. I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry. |
| dudeofqueen 10.10.2017 14:40 |
brians wig, re: >Don't want to spoil anthing, but WWRY and WATC are pants in comparison to what's due! Stands to reason that these would be aired first then - good start. But I still reckon that WATC vocal from Freddie is absolutely stellar! Excellent news. All laying to waste Greg's claim that very little of substance remains in the vault. |
| RS_Protos 10.10.2017 15:01 |
"I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry. " Maximum profit with minimum material........... Very sad |
| Riku M 10.10.2017 15:15 |
RS_Protos wrote: "I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry. " Maximum profit with minimum material........... Very sadI agree. The extra cost for an additional cd would have been non existant. When you are at the end of your career, why not be a little generous with the music? I wonder who it was that put the thumb down. Very sad indeed! |
| The Real Wizard 10.10.2017 15:23 |
brians wig wrote: I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry.The LA live version of White Christmas was on the list. And you're right, I don't want to know any more. But - Queen are a hits band, so the business plan always goes into that direction. It's not like 80% of their fans are hardcore, like King Crimson fans. It's far less than 1%. We really should be amazed we're getting things like this and the Rainbow box set at all. |
| rhapsody8 10.10.2017 15:41 |
brians wig wrote: All Dead, All Dead. Just WOW. The best track by far (and yes, Greg played "It's Late" as well.)Was All Dead All Dead full Freddie vocal version or only some vocal bits from him? Thanks for informations... |
| dudeofqueen 10.10.2017 15:45 |
brians wig, re: >I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry. I'm more prepared to cough up for the Kleenex than the box set......... Please expand if you can. |
| brians wig 10.10.2017 16:29 |
dudeofqueen wrote: brians wig, re: >I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry. I'm more prepared to cough up for the Kleenex than the box set......... Please expand if you can.OK. Direct quote "Justin, Kris and I, we put together probably about 16 versions of tracks and then we waited with some trepidation.... ...In my case I thought they'd all get thrown out and we'd have about two left..." Make of that what you will. At the time I thought it meant 16 verisons of each track. Maybe it just means 16 tracks? |
| MercurialFreddie 10.10.2017 17:53 |
Wow! Bloody hell! 16 versions of tracks..... So Brian, Roger and Jim rejected about 150 versions.... It's depressing how these guys work so hard, present their ideas and versions on the table and then the end product is only a tiny bit of what was presented. |
| brians wig 10.10.2017 18:00 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Wow! Bloody hell! 16 versions of tracks..... So Brian, Roger and Jim rejected about 150 versions.... It's depressing how these guys work so hard, present their ideas and versions on the table and then the end product is only a tiny bit of what was presented.Assuming they even did 16 takes of each track that was different enough from the final version to be considered for release. It's difficult to be precise about what he actually meant as I'm sure he's purposely vague about things. |
| inu-liger 10.10.2017 19:13 |
brians wig wrote: SOTS is an amazing live recording that seems to go on forever. Don't expect to discover where it was recorded from though. They're not officially saying, though America in 77 is as close as we'll get (and that wasn't announced by Greg...)So was it Freddie on lead vocal then? |
| brians wig 10.10.2017 19:27 |
inu-liger wrote:Yes.brians wig wrote: SOTS is an amazing live recording that seems to go on forever. Don't expect to discover where it was recorded from though. They're not officially saying, though America in 77 is as close as we'll get (and that wasn't announced by Greg...)So was it Freddie on lead vocal then? |
| Penetration_Guru 10.10.2017 19:40 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Wow! Bloody hell! 16 versions of tracks..... So Brian, Roger and Jim rejected about 150 versions.... It's depressing how these guys work so hard, present their ideas and versions on the table and then the end product is only a tiny bit of what was presented.They may have composited some in order to give us as much variation as possible |
| The Real Wizard 11.10.2017 00:28 |
brians wig wrote: SOTS is an amazing live recording that seems to go on forever, with Fred on lead vocals. Don't expect to discover where it was recorded from though. They're not officially saying, though America in 77 is as close as we'll get (and that wasn't announced by Greg...)...which means they're sitting on at least two complete US 77 soundboards. How unbelievably frustrating and sad. |
| soxtalon 11.10.2017 03:44 |
Thanks for the info - just from that quote - I'd imagine that it meant 16 versions of tracks - meant 16 total tracks...not 150 or whatever But still - some frustrating tidbits there - all could have been included with one extra CD - or they could have thrown in one of the 77 soundboards... |
| MrFunster 11.10.2017 07:28 |
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| brians wig 11.10.2017 09:43 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I'll go with that.brians wig wrote: SOTS is an amazing live recording that seems to go on forever, with Fred on lead vocals. Don't expect to discover where it was recorded from though. They're not officially saying, though America in 77 is as close as we'll get (and that wasn't announced by Greg...)...which means they're sitting on at least two complete US 77 soundboards. How unbelievably frustrating and sad. I see no reason why they won't tell us the date unless the presented song is an amalgamation of two or more recordings. The silly thing is, we all know that Queen do overdubs and that the Rainbow DVD was an amalgamation of both nights, yet they werer transparant with that.... |
| Dr Magus 11.10.2017 10:11 |
To be honest i find all the cloak and dagger secrecy surrounding their archive info to be incredibly tiresome. Comparisons with other bands are inevitable. |
| MrFunster 11.10.2017 10:24 |
brians wig wrote: Only that Greg played some of the raw sessions tracks. Don't want to spoil anthing, but WWRY and WATC are pants in comparison to what's due! SHA is instrumantal with backing vocs only. FFTI sounds like the finished instrumetal take but with Roger's demo vocs added. SOTS is an amazing live recording that seems to go on forever, with Fred on lead vocals. Don't expect to discover where it was recorded from though. They're not officially saying, though America in 77 is as close as we'll get (and that wasn't announced by Greg...) All Dead, All Dead. Just WOW. The best track by far (and yes, Greg played "It's Late" as well.) I'm saying very little other than expect different vocals, emotionally delivered in places you'd never expect. Yes. It's ALL Freddie :) There are still 3 songs missing their multitracks thus one of the reasons there isn't a surround mix (shouldn't have stopped them fromdoing the others though), but most frustratingly there is no acceptable reason why there isn't a studio demo of "Sleeping". QPL simply decided to include a live version on the disc. Quite frankly, that should have been on D3 with the other live material. I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry.Can you tell me something about its late track. Is this different to the original release. So different vocals and guitar riffs.... Concerning sheer heart attack, is it roger who sings the backing vocals? Really looking forward all dead all dead and sleeping ! |
| silver_salmon 11.10.2017 11:44 |
Brians thanks for share a review about what greg plays that night, you made my day very happy. Just one question, what about the quality sound of SOTS? Is a soundboard recording?. Thanks! |
| brians wig 11.10.2017 12:18 |
silver_salmon wrote: Brians thanks for share a review about what greg plays that night, you made my day very happy. Just one question, what about the quality sound of SOTS? Is a soundboard recording?. Thanks!Hmmm. Soundboard, BUT, it could be from a cassette tape recording rather than a multitrack. Greg did say at the start of the session that some stuff came from Brian's own collection of cassette tapes, but he didn't say what despite suggesting he would. That's fair enough: he probably forgot. No cloak and dagger there |
| dudeofqueen 11.10.2017 14:35 |
brian's wig, re: >That's fair enough: he probably forgot. No cloak and dagger there Isn't he supposed to have catalogued Brian's collection? Forgetting or not referring to his catalogue would be pretty remiss....... Oh, yeah...... That WOULD explain the lack of a venue and date but would also mark Brian down as being less exacting in his collecting standards than even the most simple of fans...... |
| GT 11.10.2017 15:54 |
Pretty sure there is no multitrack of SOTS. As far as I know, any soundboard recordings will be from cassette tapes. |
| Lord Fickle 11.10.2017 16:27 |
Seeing as there's a decent live version of SOTS, it's a shame they couldn't have included a live It's Late as well, as presumably it would have come from one of the same recordings. This box set is so much money, for so little, in terms of interesting content. I know what there is sounds great, but there could have been so much more, and they could have charged less for it by splitting the packages. I know QPL are a business, and the usual business model is to give as little as possible for as much money as possible, but they are simply forcing people to use torrents, therefore reducing actual sales. Why on earth couldn't they have put this out as a 2 or 3 CD set, with a separate limited vinyl edition? |
| silver_salmon 11.10.2017 18:29 |
I heard that SOTS included in the album is the take 1. I don't know if they recorded more takes and then they choose the first or just was only one. |
| cmsdrums 11.10.2017 19:51 |
brians wig wrote:GT did suggest in a recent post here that Greg had ‘taken ownership’ of copies of Brian’s casssette collection following a lot of collation and cataloguing by GT, and perhaps as an aside to, and not part of, the official role he is employed under by QPL.silver_salmon wrote: Brians thanks for share a review about what greg plays that night, you made my day very happy. Just one question, what about the quality sound of SOTS? Is a soundboard recording?. Thanks!Hmmm. Soundboard, BUT, it could be from a cassette tape recording rather than a multitrack. Greg did say at the start of the session that some stuff came from Brian's own collection of cassette tapes, but he didn't say what despite suggesting he would. That's fair enough: he probably forgot. No cloak and dagger there |
| dysan 11.10.2017 20:06 |
If those archivists didn't take copies of everything for their own personal use they are stupid. But also .... stealing from your employer lad? Tut. |
| Ale Solan 12.10.2017 00:48 |
brians wig wrote: Only that Greg played some of the raw sessions tracks. Don't want to spoil anthing, but WWRY and WATC are pants in comparison to what's due! SHA is instrumantal with backing vocs only. FFTI sounds like the finished instrumetal take but with Roger's demo vocs added. SOTS is an amazing live recording that seems to go on forever, with Fred on lead vocals. Don't expect to discover where it was recorded from though. They're not officially saying, though America in 77 is as close as we'll get (and that wasn't announced by Greg...) All Dead, All Dead. Just WOW. The best track by far (and yes, Greg played "It's Late" as well.) I'm saying very little other than expect different vocals, emotionally delivered in places you'd never expect. Yes. It's ALL Freddie :) There are still 3 songs missing their multitracks thus one of the reasons there isn't a surround mix (shouldn't have stopped them fromdoing the others though), but most frustratingly there is no acceptable reason why there isn't a studio demo of "Sleeping". QPL simply decided to include a live version on the disc. Quite frankly, that should have been on D3 with the other live material. I shan't tell you how many tracks were presented to those in charge before they were whittled down to what they're offering us as it will only make you cry.There is no SOTS demo, it was recorded in one take. |
| GT 12.10.2017 06:49 |
Although SOTS is a one take recording, it was demoed in the studio and was cut about to make various mixes. It was also one of the quickest songs that Brian ever wrote. He briefly mentions this in the 'Guitar Greats' Radio 1 programme that was broadcast in 1983. |
| on my way up 12.10.2017 07:12 |
Well, hearing a song from a seventies show just from soundboard is a first, not? I hope they change their mind in the coming years and present us full concert recordings from those tapes. I'm sure they have such recordings for all those astounding seventies tours.. Or why not just slip in a few such complete audio shows in a big(ger) live box? Anyway, Raw Sessions looks like a great disc but we just could have had waaaay more or at least a product at a waaaaay better price! |
| dysan 12.10.2017 07:50 |
'Well, hearing a song from a seventies show just from soundboard is a first, not?' I think so on an audio release? Would be fantastic if this opens up a new direction in Queen's archival releases. An audio concert through time and space. |
| brians wig 12.10.2017 09:46 |
silver_salmon wrote: I heard that SOTS included in the album is the take 1. I don't know if they recorded more takes and then they choose the first or just was only one.What it all boils down to is lack of transparency on the part of QPL. Why not just be honest with us!? |
| brians wig 12.10.2017 09:47 |
GT wrote: Pretty sure there is no multitrack of SOTS. As far as I know, any soundboard recordings will be from cassette tapes.Thanks GT. Greg didn't offer that information despite my question to him leading in that direction.... Sadly, as you know, once you've asked your question, you don't get chance to ask another inorder to dig deeper : just like Prime Ministers Questions each week! |
| brians wig 12.10.2017 09:51 |
on my way up wrote: Well, hearing a song from a seventies show just from soundboard is a first, not? I hope they change their mind in the coming years and present us full concert recordings from those tapes.Quality purposes will most likely be one of the answers! Rumours abound for decades that Brian has a soundboard copy of almost every live show in his collection, but these would, of course, most likely be raw compact cassette copies. I'd love confirmation of that, but no one connected to the Queen camp are ever likely to oblige for the obvious reasons.... |
| dudeofqueen 12.10.2017 10:47 |
brian's wig, re: >Sadly, as you know, once you've asked your question, you don't get chance to ask another inorder to dig deeper : just like Prime Ministers Questions each week! I don't suppose anyone asked about whether Silver Salmon was recorded in these sessions and formed part of the proposed set or, in fact, whether an album session version of the faster WWRY exists? |
| Sebastian 12.10.2017 10:55 |
GT wrote: Although SOTS is a one take recording...Technically, not: it's got a first-take backing track. But that doesn't preclude the existence of: - Alternate takes that were not as good as the first one. - Alternate takes of the vocals (which were overdubbed). |
| Q2 12.10.2017 16:42 |
Just about sums them up over this realease.give them peanuts we will take the cash! |
| MercurialFreddie 12.10.2017 16:58 |
How does the degrading process of cassette tapes look like ? I hope that all of Brian's private cassette tapes are properly stored in some digital format already.... |
| dysan 12.10.2017 17:12 |
I'd wager they were put on minidisc as soon as he got the chance. |
| brians wig 12.10.2017 19:23 |
dudeofqueen wrote: brian's wig, re: >Sadly, as you know, once you've asked your question, you don't get chance to ask another inorder to dig deeper : just like Prime Ministers Questions each week! I don't suppose anyone asked about whether Silver Salmon was recorded in these sessions and formed part of the proposed set or, in fact, whether an album session version of the faster WWRY exists?Nope. No one asked those. It's fair to say that most people who go to Convention just like the music and aren't as fanatical as we are. THAT'S why there's always so much talking in the room when Greg plays unheard tracks for us.... Personally I despair. |
| Golden Salmon 13.10.2017 07:59 |
^Isn't that kind of pointless? Most people who go there don't really care if what they're listening to is new or not, and those who do would gladly pay and respectfully listen just like they did with the Innuendo sessions. I mean, they could probably do that once a year, make it less expensive to gather more people and just donate the profits to the Mercury Phoenix Trust. |
| dudeofqueen 13.10.2017 08:43 |
brians wig, re: >Nope. No one asked those. What's wrong with you man? Were you asleep ;-)))))) |
| Jam Monkey 14.10.2017 18:10 |
I agree these were great tracks to listen to. All Dead All Dead with Freddie's vocals was amazing. It also included the vocals that are printed on the sleeve notes but not on the album recording. |
| brians wig 14.10.2017 22:37 |
Jam Monkey wrote: I agree these were great tracks to listen to. All Dead All Dead with Freddie's vocals was amazing. It also included the vocals that are printed on the sleeve notes but not on the album recording.Quick check later..... Never noticed that in 31 years (but then it's probably been that long since I read them) That might just have ruined the surprise for everyone.... |
| Rich Tea 14.10.2017 23:05 |
There are different types of Queen admirers as I have found and generally they are all a good bunch of people I guess those that go to the conventions are the fans whereas those that regularly post here are the audiophiles maybe not quite the right description but I hope you get where I'm heading with this?........ |
| Golden Salmon 16.10.2017 10:37 |
If Freddie sings SOTS live, I would imagine rehearsals or alternate studio takes must exist and should have made it to disc 2, while the live version and other interesting, missing stuff won't be on disc 3. Given the lack of intention to ever release Queen Anthologies, we won't get to listen to new 1977 recordings for the foreseeable future now. For shame. Ideally, I would have included Feelings Feelings, other studio takes and even the BBC versions on disc 2, to leave more room for new, truly unheard tracks on disc 3, but this is Queen Productions... Still better than nothing though. |
| MercurialFreddie 17.10.2017 17:35 |
^What he said... Well during one of the podcast with the Queen Archivist Greg has stated that they were working on a really grand project... very very big but then Paul Rodgers happened and they had to shelve it, so who knows, maybe something better is already in the pipeline. I am too very sad that the release marking the 40th anniversary of such a great album is a half-ass effort at something which could've been done better. |