| on my way up 03.06.2017 04:07 |
Several mentions regarding News of the world turning 40 this year. Does anyone know whether there are any plans for a release to celebrate the 40th birthday of this iconic album? |
| Sebastian 03.06.2017 06:21 |
Doubt it. Touring with a loser from a reality programme is much more of a priority. |
| Killer_queenIII 03.06.2017 06:32 |
Hernansnow releasing a "40th anniversary" edition of the Earls Court and Houston concerts with his "surround sound" work is more likely than QPL releasing either one of them. |
| jozef 03.06.2017 06:49 |
Well said Sabastian (y) |
| Vocal harmony 03.06.2017 09:17 |
jozef wrote: Well said Sabastian (y)Even after five years of touring with "Queen" and establishing a solo career this still gets brought up. What is laughable is that most of the people bringing this up usually go on to say Marc Martell should be fronting the band. Well didn't he come from a smaller. Internet video talent search. Yes he won but outside the Queen community who knew of him. It doesn't matter where an artist comes from, what matters is whether what they are doing works. The audiences would seem to be proof this is working and the way the band feel about it is further proof. |
| Sebastian 03.06.2017 09:40 |
Sure. The fact he's a loser from a reality programme doesn't detract from his talent. You can be both. |
| Vocal harmony 03.06.2017 09:56 |
^^^ True! |
| Sheer Brass Neck 03.06.2017 09:59 |
The conversation will never go away. Either people like it or don't with AL fronting. Audience size means nothing and while the Glamberts help boost numbers, they are touring behind one of the greatest catalogues in music history, they'd draw numbers with virtually anyone fronting. AL doesn't have a husky rock voice or a rock soul, but if he can hit the high notes and do the ballads justice then people should be happy. |
| cmsdrums 03.06.2017 13:08 |
Can you define 'loser' Seb? You are very much one in your posts for factual statements, so to refer to Adam as this seems like a petty personal attack. You may not like him, or BM & RT's decision to incite him to work with them - which is fine - but coming second on the biggest primetime US TV talent show, recording several million selling solo efforts, not to mention flying around the world in personal jets on tour whilst fronting Queen....are possibly not achievements that the address of 'loser' can seriously be aimed at?!? |
| queenfanbg 03.06.2017 13:15 |
Sebastian wrote: Doubt it. Touring with a loser from a reality programme is much more of a priority.+1 |
| Oscar J 03.06.2017 13:31 |
cmsdrums wrote: Can you define 'loser' Seb? You are very much one in your posts for factual statements, so to refer to Adam as this seems like a petty personal attack. You may not like him, or BM & RT's decision to incite him to work with them - which is fine - but coming second on the biggest primetime US TV talent show, recording several million selling solo efforts, not to mention flying around the world in personal jets on tour whilst fronting Queen....are possibly not achievements that the address of 'loser' can seriously be aimed at?!? I guess Sebastian's comment is what's commonly referred to as "tongue in cheek". |
| Sheer Brass Neck 03.06.2017 14:44 |
If you don't win, you lose. If the person who wins is a winner... |
| matt z 03.06.2017 15:11 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: If you don't win, you lose. If the person who wins is a winner...Wait wait. ...wait way way way wait wait wait! ....are you saying..... ....when i DIDN'T win first prize. .... ....i wasn't. .....the Second Winner?? :-O :*( |
| Sheer Brass Neck 03.06.2017 16:02 |
You were a participant, not a loser ;) |
| mooghead 03.06.2017 16:13 |
Unless Brian May can personally make 58 squillion pounds from it then forget it... |
| Sebastian 03.06.2017 20:55 |
cmsdrums wrote: Can you define 'loser' Seb? ... but coming second on the...He came second = He lost the final = He's a loser (i.e. someone who lost). Not that there's anything wrong with that but, then again, it's a factual statement. It doesn't mean he's a bad artist (Lionel Messi is a 'loser' as well, in the sense that he recently came second as world's best player, and he's also lost a few finals ... though he's also obviously a 'winner' since he's won plenty of stuff as well). |
| Sunshine 04.06.2017 02:10 |
Sebastian wrote:With that theory then everybody is a loser.cmsdrums wrote: Can you define 'loser' Seb? ... but coming second on the...He came second = He lost the final = He's a loser (i.e. someone who lost). Not that there's anything wrong with that but, then again, it's a factual statement. It doesn't mean he's a bad artist (Lionel Messi is a 'loser' as well, in the sense that he recently came second as world's best player, and he's also lost a few finals ... though he's also obviously a 'winner' since he's won plenty of stuff as well). While there is nothing wrong with a personal opinion, you can't bend it into facts. Other than that it's just a silly personal attack on Lambert and completely off topic. So let's stay on topic. Regarding News Of The World. I don't think there will come a remaster or any new release. We might expect some unusual songs off that album into the set list of the new tour. I think Spread Your Wings makes a good chance. Maybe It's Late but I doubt. The rest is chanceless, of course WATC and WWRY will be played. I played The Miracle yesterday after a long time again and boy, what a well crafted song it is. I hope that would be a candidate but it's a challenging song to play live I guess. I just keep on dreaming:) |
| cmsdrums 04.06.2017 03:42 |
With Seb confirming he didn't mean 'loser' in common parlance but just factually based on a second placing in a competition, he must admit that it's only right he should be touring with Queen then, given that they are also losers with several no 2 singles (and many others even lower placed on the charts), not good enough or popular enough to Reach no 1. |
| dave76 04.06.2017 04:44 |
Getting off topic here. I don't like the fact that they are touring with him but i'll leave it with that. Regarding the REAL question is that i doubt it. We got the 3D book and the monopoly game and the forthcoming tour so i guess they won't do something special with the 40th anniversary of their "robot" album. I personally would like to see a super deluxe boxset. Inside this the album of course. A second CD with sessions (hey, one can dream right), and 2 blu-rays. One with the long overdue Bob Harris 1977 documentary uncut of course and on the second blu-ray a full concert of Houston or maybe Earls Court or maybe another one. Present this with a beautiful photo book in a nice box and then they can have my money. |
| The Fairy King 04.06.2017 05:42 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Exactly.jozef wrote: Well said Sabastian (y)Even after five years of touring with "Queen" and establishing a solo career this still gets brought up. What is laughable is that most of the people bringing this up usually go on to say Marc Martell should be fronting the band. Well didn't he come from a smaller. Internet video talent search. Yes he won but outside the Queen community who knew of him. It doesn't matter where an artist comes from, what matters is whether what they are doing works. The audiences would seem to be proof this is working and the way the band feel about it is further proof. |
| Sebastian 04.06.2017 07:32 |
Sunshine wrote: With that theory then everybody is a loser.Yes. Therefore, calling Adam Lambert 'a loser from a reality programme' is still right. cmsdrums wrote: With Seb confirming he didn't mean 'loser' in common parlance but just factually based on a second placing in a competition, he must admit that it's only right he should be touring with Queen then, given that they are also losers with several no 2 singles (and many others even lower placed on the charts), not good enough or popular enough to Reach no 1.I don't mind whom they tour with, it's their choice, not mine. They're doing what they love and making thousands (perhaps millions?) of people really happy. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 04.06.2017 07:38 |
"The audiences would seem to be proof this is working and the way the band feel about it is further proof." "Exactly" Sure, and Justin Bieber is a bigger artist than Freddie Mercury and Queen will ever be because "the audiences" say so with their cash. Therefore is he a better artist than Queen because he is more popular? The President of the United States is a world class moron. He didn't murder anyone to get the job, regardless of the popular vote, he was voted in by "the audiences." Using that argument this is proof the system is working and all is well in the U.S. with their choice. Or, there are some people who love him and some who think he;s ill suite for the role, much like AL. |
| Oscar J 04.06.2017 10:41 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Even after five years of touring with "Queen" and establishing a solo career this still gets brought up. What is laughable is that most of the people bringing this up usually go on to say Marc Martell should be fronting the band. Well didn't he come from a smaller. Internet video talent search. Yes he won but outside the Queen community who knew of him. It doesn't matter where an artist comes from, what matters is whether what they are doing works. The audiences would seem to be proof this is working and the way the band feel about it is further proof. Sebastian didn't say anything about Marc Martell, so that's a giant strawman. The band has done many things in bad taste recently, as has the general public. You say "what matters is whether what they are doing works". Matters to whom? Works for whom? |
| rhapsody8 04.06.2017 13:46 |
When the new release or anniversary thing mentioned, Rhys Thomas words came to my mind. "All of this stuff will be released in the future some day." Maybe not this times but in the future, I hope... |
| cmsdrums 04.06.2017 16:12 |
rhapsody8 wrote: When the new release or anniversary thing mentioned, Rhys Thomas words came to my mind. "All of this stuff will be released in the future some day." Maybe not this times but in the future, I hope...Sadly. I think that was just his hope that this would happen, rather than an expectation. |
| rhapsody8 05.06.2017 03:46 |
cmsdrums wrote: Sadly. I think that was just his hope that this would happen, rather than an expectation.Sure it could be... But he is still DVD producer of the band I think. So his words can take it seriously... At least, as a producer and as a fan, his hopes are positive about archive releases... |
| Vocal harmony 05.06.2017 07:25 |
Oscar J wrote:I did not say that Sebastian said that. I was drawing a parallel between the two singers route to where they are, and the fact that a great many people on here have rubbished Lambert and said Martell should have the job.Vocal harmony wrote:Sebastian didn't say anything about Marc Martell, so that's a giant strawman. The band has done many things in bad taste recently, as has the general public. You say "what matters is whether what they are doing works". Matters to whom? Works for whom?Even after five years of touring with "Queen" and establishing a solo career this still gets brought up. What is laughable is that most of the people bringing this up usually go on to say Marc Martell should be fronting the band. Well didn't he come from a smaller. Internet video talent search. Yes he won but outside the Queen community who knew of him. It doesn't matter where an artist comes from, what matters is pwhether what they are doing works. The audiences would seem to be proof this is working and the way the band feel about it is further proof. The simple fact that someone who sounds different isn't so readily accepted over someone who is almost a vocal clone. Seb's views are always interesting, sometimes a bit controversial to some and often enlightening. That doesn't mean other people aren't free to approach what is being said from another view point "straw man" or not! |
| Sebastian 05.06.2017 08:27 |
Yeah, of course nobody's view should ever rule over anybody else's, and it makes sense for people to offer different perspectives. What amuses me is that when I refer to Adam as 'a loser from a reality programme' (which, again, is factually correct), some people immediately jump to conclusions such as thinking I'm anti-Lambert or I'm bashing him for having gained fame thanks to the 'Idol' franchise, when at no point have I said that. I couldn't care less about where he came from or how he became famous: if he's talented, he's talented. Referring to him as a 'loser' (which, again, is factually correct) is just a silly nickname I use for him, same as referring to Brian as Dr Wig, to Brian and Roger as Maylor, or calling Freddie, Frederick (that was, in fact, his legal name once he changed from 'Farrokh'). Adapting from something Frederick said, 'it's only a bloody epithet, people get so excited about these things!' Back when I was an idiot teenager, I did indeed get so excited about those things and totally opposed the idea of Maylor touring as Queen+, the same as I would've opposed the idea of the leftie Fab Two touring or recording as The Beatles, Emma and the two Melanies claiming to be the Spice Girls or Ridgeley coming up with a Wham! album... nowadays, I'm an idiot adult who couldn't care less: Maylor want to tour? Great! They love it, they do it well, they make people happy, so why not? It's not like they need my (or anybody else's) permission for it. |
| RS_Protos 05.06.2017 08:45 |
"Touring with a loser from a reality programme is much more of a priority. " I couldn't agree more :) Actually disappointed with all "Maylor's" decisions lately because of what they have been releasing all these years.... |
| Kevinrm15 06.06.2017 11:00 |
"Official Freddie Mercury Birthday Party Announcement: Greg Brooks The ever popular official Queen archivist Greg Brooks will return this year. During the day of the party he’ll be stationed in the Queen Studio Experience to answer any questions you might have about the exhibits or the band in general. He'll also be curating a new display focusing on the News Of The World album, celebrating its 40th anniversary this year. Look out for him and for some never seen before NOTW rarities!" |
| RS_Protos 06.06.2017 11:37 |
Can't wait for a 2030 release of something rare! |
| The Real Wizard 06.06.2017 13:35 |
Sebastian wrote: Touring with a loser from a reality programme is much more of a priority.While true on the surface, I've actually come to resent seeing second place as being a loser. We have this mentality as a society, and we especially project it onto athletes. When someone wins a silver medal, sometimes newspaper headlines say "OH SO CLOSE" - as if being second best in the world isn't an achievement worth lauding. That kind of grinds my gears. I digress. Carry on ! |
| Sebastian 06.06.2017 22:15 |
You could see it from another angle: the word 'loser' hasn't got to have a negative connotation. We have this mentality as a society, and especially project it onto athletes, to the point that they'd rather cheat than enjoy their profession. |
| Togg 07.06.2017 04:03 |
Sorry Seb, but I have to say simply putting the term loser into the sentence makes it clear despite your explaination that you being derogatory, you wouldn't have said Freddie Mercury poof... then backed it up with well he is... I get that he lost a competition and that's fact, but really... be honest you were not exactly shining a light on his talent.... Personally I do get rather bored of the same old comments comming up everytime they tour, time to move on really, they are now more popular than they were when Freddie was alive fact, they have been together longer without him than with fact, and they still pull big global audiences fact... Not bad for band fronted by a loser... I get that many only like to hear the the old recordings, that's cool, but no creative artist is ever satisfied if they walk away when they have more to say or do, pretty well all major rock bands continue to play with major member of the original lineup so why should Queen be any different? I respect your decision not to folow what they do now, that's cool, but I really think we are beyond slagging Adam off now aren't we? |
| Sebastian 07.06.2017 04:26 |
Togg wrote: Sorry Seb, but I have to say simply putting the term loser into the sentence makes it clear despite your explaination that you being derogatory, you wouldn't have said Freddie Mercury poof... then backed it up with well he is... I get that he lost a competition and that's fact, but really... be honest you were not exactly shining a light on his talent....I often refer to Frederick as 'Lord Teeth' and to Brian as 'Dr Wig.' Neither nickname is shining a light on their talent ... so? In fact, Brian doesn't even wear a wig ... so? And yeah, if anyone wanted to refer to Fred as 'Freddie Poof' they'd be entitled to say so... as you correctly pointed out, well, he was. Also acceptable: 'The African One,' 'Mr Overbite,' 'Moustached Apostate' (he presumably renounced his Zoroastrian faith ... sort of), 'Little McLisp' or 'King Brunet.' None of those would explain that he was also a musical genius (or at least an extremely successful and influential one), a magnificent singer, an extraordinary composer, and outstanding arranger, a brilliant producer, a unique pianist, an unforgettable showman, etc. |
| Togg 07.06.2017 06:26 |
All true, but i guess my point was if you're not being derogatory you really appear to be doing so, and in that case I'd struggle to understand when you are infact slagging someone off, at the end of the day, Lord Teeth, Dr Wig etc are playful nicknames, Loser.... meh less so.... |
| Sebastian 07.06.2017 07:16 |
So, in case you're not clear about it: it's not derogatory. I've got nothing against Adam, nothing against the 'Idol' franchise and nothing against the idea of Maylor touring with whomever they please. By the way, calling them 'Maylor' is not by any means an implication that they're romantic or sexual partners (since portmanteaux are *usually - not always* employed for romantic/sexual couples, just like the term 'loser' is *usually - not always* derogatory), and the fact I'm not implying that is not an implication of any latent homophobia, transphobia, Maylorphobia, blondphobia, curlyphobia or heptagrathmaphobia (since 'Maylor' has six letters rather than seven). |
| RS_Protos 07.06.2017 08:22 |
" but I really think we are beyond slagging Adam off now aren't we? " Personally not even close :) and I don't blame AL, all on "Maylor"(love this word!). Also they are not "creative artist" anymore, just playing the "old" songs which is fine and they can do whatever they want, but for me it's horrible the AL thing..... |
| mike hunt 07.06.2017 09:00 |
I agree, not a fan of Queen + anything. AL or Rodgers. Not that it's a huge deal too me these days, the world has bigger problems but still not a fan. Most major artists from the Queen generation are at least trying to be creative. Queen are playing We Will Rock You and Another One Bites The Dust over and over while creating nothing new. Kind of sad. Fans from the 70's who saw Queen in 1986 probably were disappointed in the fact that they played less 70's stuff and more Works and Magic songs, but at least they were still being creative. The live version of Magic was excellent. I'm going too see Maiden for the first time since 1999. I'm sure they're gonna play a lot of the new stuff that I'm not crazy about, but at least they're still creating new music. It Just shows you how important Mercury was to Queen. Yea, they had their peak in the 70's' but they were still putting out some great songs till Freddie passed. Since then? Not one classic song. |
| RS_Protos 07.06.2017 09:21 |
Just watched the new video with BM and the new monopoly game (link. According to BM it was like creating a new album, took a year and a half to make, so there's the creativity lately...... Seriously? Is it me or this is ridiculous? Losing more and more respect. |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 07.06.2017 22:50 |
Choosing to say "loser" is just taking a pot shot. Cheap and off topic. So is platypus excrement. Coincidentally, the two have the same value. I wouldn't expect a recorded release this year, but I think those of us who go and see the tour will be treated to a new Queen concert experience (May described as immersive) that will no doubt be big and mindblowing, like everything they do live. That'll do nicely! Only one month and one week til the show! With the amazing Lambert on the mic. |
| cmi 07.06.2017 23:06 |
^ Hope you still remember who is the vocalist (and much more) in 'Queen' group. |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 08.06.2017 12:45 |
cmi wrote: ^ Hope you still remember who is the vocalist (and much more) in 'Queen' group.LOL - "well, DUH". Wait, who? You really felt you needed to say that? Lighten up Francis, we all remember. Moreover, we can't forget. |
| Sebastian 08.06.2017 16:39 |
GonnaUseMyPrisoners wrote: So is platypus excrement. Coincidentally, the two have the same value.Platypus excrement was Frederick's favourite dung. |
| Togg 09.06.2017 04:23 |
RS_Protos wrote: Just watched the new video with BM and the new monopoly game (link. According to BM it was like creating a new album, took a year and a half to make, so there's the creativity lately...... Seriously? Is it me or this is ridiculous? Losing more and more respect.Then I don't really understand why you have to need to be part of a forum for a band that as you feel has done anything positive for 26 years... I mean think about it... 26 years has gone by since they stopped being 'Queen' yet you are here following them and commenting, seems a bit pointless to me?? They still play the same hit tracks because thats what people want to hear, and theres no point in touring to empty venues, they keep going because like 99% of old rock acts from the 70's 80's they love performing. I'd say they are still creative artists, with all the 'creative' products, it may not be releasing 15 new albums, but if people don't want it why would you do it, had Cosmos sold well they would absolutly be recording all the time, but they have just shifted what to do to suit the demand... nothing wrong with that if people want to go see it which obviously they do In fact it's much the same with most of the acts from their era, they all ride on the coat tails of old hits. As for not respecting them, well again I question why you are HERE? I don't really bother going to the hassle of joining a forum for bands, people I don't respect... it's a bit of a waste of my time Hell I don't like everything they do, but having seen pretty well every major act out there id say they can still out perform 99% them so that's why i look forward to this tour I bet you going... go on own up you are aren't you.... just at the back somewhere....no, sure, go on you are aren't you? |
| Makka 09.06.2017 05:29 |
In the end they are musicians and playing music live is what they love. Why not do it whilst they still can. Who knows, maybe once the touring does finally come to an end then some of the stuff everyone wants may come out. Considering I was 4 years old (in 1974) when Queen last came to my home town seeing them with AL was the chance I had to see Brian and Roger play live. I thought AL did a decent job and it sounded great but end of the day it was Roger and Brian I was there to see (and Spike I guess). |
| mike hunt 09.06.2017 08:49 |
No ones saying they shouldn't tour, do as they wish. That's all we're saying is it's not our cup of tea. Brian and Roger should be playing with respected muscians. The Rodgers era is already forgotton, they recorded a failed studio Record, but at least he was a respected muscian and songwriter. Even if it didn't work as Queen. Sounded more like a paul Rodgers album. Why we're still here if we don't like what they did for the last 20+ years? We're here for the original 4. Mercury, May, Talyor, Deacon. 1973 to 1991. I think bands like The Who and Queen should let the name go. If Zep were touring with lambert they would get critsized as well. If the Beatles toured with Lambert replacing Lennon I think the Beatle fans wouldn't be happy. Of course the young 14 year old lambert fans are helping ticket sales and of course the classic songs from the original 4 helps. |
| Sebastian 09.06.2017 09:29 |
All in all, people saying they shouldn't tour are being ridiculous... but then again, people saying people saying they shouldn't tour are being ridiculous, are also being ridiculous. Maylor are free to do whatever they want with whomever they want... but so are we. So, if anyone wants to say the tour with the loser from a reality programme is the best thing that's ever happened, they're entitled to; if anyone wants to say the tour is shite, they're entitled to, too. And, no, it doesn't mean everyone who likes Adam is a poseur or a Maylor worshipper, and it doesn't mean everyone who dislikes Adam is homophobic or stuck in the past. |
| RS_Protos 09.06.2017 09:58 |
Thank you mike hunt and Sebastian, perfectly said! |
| Kevinrm15 09.06.2017 11:02 |
Jesus....can we get back on topic please ? Did you see my post regarding NOTW 40 ? |
| RS_Protos 09.06.2017 11:36 |
LOL, I think this is on topic, LOL, they won't release it, they care about other things than what we want..... |
| Sebastian 09.06.2017 11:39 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Jesus....can we get back on topic please ?A NotW 40th anniversary release is like Jesus: it doesn't exist. |
| mike hunt 09.06.2017 12:32 |
They Just released all their albums again in 2011, Including NOTW. |
| Kevinrm15 09.06.2017 21:15 |
The Beatles remastered all their albums in 2009 and they just released the Sgt. Peppers box set. The Stones remastered all their albums from Sticky Fingers onwards in 2009, and in subsequent years have put out deluxe editions for Sticky Fingers, Exile on Main Street and Some Girls. What's stopping Queen from doing the same thing ? |
| Biggus Dickus 09.06.2017 23:37 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: What's stopping Queen from doing the same thing ?Lack of caring? |
| Rick 10.06.2017 04:45 |
I don't think they (Brian and Roger) consider NOTW monumental enough. |
| Sebastian 10.06.2017 05:59 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: What's stopping Queen from doing the same thing ?Touring with the loser from a reality programme is much more of a priority. |
| mike hunt 10.06.2017 10:54 |
Priest Just re released all their albums, including the worst ones with bonus material, live shows and unreleased songs. NOTW was 10× more monumental than Turbo Lover from priest was. |
| matt z 10.06.2017 14:59 |
I dunno. ..TURBO had ....oh right. ..they left that one off the "twin turbos" concept. ..."YOU ARE EVERYTHING" (cover song) come to think of it. ...i don't really care for Turbo...RAM IT DOWN got back on track and Defenders of the Faith was pretty great...but for some reason that and SIN AFTER SIN don't cut it as GREAT for me Hmm. ...back to Queen. Nah they're probably not working on anything yet. Brian and Roger are touring...that takes enough. Probably see a DVD from Q+AL to cash in at some time. Mercury's expected re-re-release as well prob September |
| mike hunt 10.06.2017 16:11 |
Matt, pretty impressed with your Priest history. Yea Turbo And Ram It Down were their low point. Then Painkiller came out and put them back on the map, It was their Innuendo. Painkiller was good but hasn't ages all that great for me. Still good though. Defenders was before Turbo. It was ok. Sin after sin had some classics, but felt like a transitional album for them back in 1977. As far as freddie, I think the next big move will be in sept for his birthday, that's when we'll see the Queen movie. Sept 2018 I'm talking about...lol... One could only hope for the Anthology set at that time as well. We all know that's not happening, but would be nice. I wonder if this sept we'll see anything good. |
| matt z 11.06.2017 07:09 |
Hah. It's probably been done by an indie band. ...but the video for TURBO LOVER is just screaming to be parodied by a big artist. That's as corny as they come. Well. ...they also have the HOT ROCKING video. The Priest don't really get their due. SAD WINGS OF DESTINY has got to be one of the greatest albums of the 70's ....or I'm just biased. If they ever release more 70's (*video) gigs i hope they're not abridged like the BBC set teasers....they'd lose me completely with that. |
| mike hunt 11.06.2017 13:42 |
Sad wings is my favorite, then stained Class. They were at their creative peak in the 70's. Their most popular were the 80's. But yea, Sad Wings Is one of the best Albums of all time. At least for Metal Albums. |
| mike hunt 11.06.2017 14:31 |
They get their due in the Metal world, Sabbath is considered the best Metal band of all time. Metallica is more popular than Priest, but most lists and Metal fans put priest in the top 3. Personally, I say top 5 Sabbath, Priest, early Maiden, Metallica, Slayer. Obviously I'm not putting in bands like Zep and Queen since they're classic Rock and not metal bands. |
| Togg 12.06.2017 07:53 |
Don't hold your breath folks if they didn't do anything for Opera they are not going to do anything for any other release... And at the end of the day what would they release? there's a few snippets in the back room I'm sure but not a lot that's worth releasing. What would be nice is for Eagle Rock to continue their documentary series of classic albums and do one on NOTW or any other Queen ablum, then we might get some more snippets released. However, you are getting a tour that proports to be celebrating NOTW, which again is more than they did for Opera... go figure, we shall see, I am very excited to see what they do here, it seems that tracks not played for a good while might ...might get an airing... |
| matt z 12.06.2017 12:18 |
Oh they'll definitely snub John Deacon and play WHO NEEDS YOU....to projected slideshow of his face blacked out of every photograph. .... |
| Biggus Dickus 12.06.2017 12:55 |
matt z wrote: Oh they'll definitely snub John Deacon and play WHO NEEDS YOU....to projected slideshow of his face blacked out of every photograph. ....lol. Reminds me of Black Sabbath cutting Bill Ward out of the old pictures. |
| RS_Protos 12.06.2017 13:00 |
"there's a few snippets in the back room I'm sure but not a lot that's worth releasing. " Unless you know something we don't....how do you know there's not a lot worth releasing? I think it's more about putting time for something like this and they just don't want too, it's all about AL these days............. |
| matt z 12.06.2017 17:45 |
Biggus Dickus wrote:REALLY?matt z wrote: Oh they'll definitely snub John Deacon and play WHO NEEDS YOU....to projected slideshow of his face blacked out of every photograph. ....lol. Reminds me of Black Sabbath cutting Bill Ward out of the old pictures. that's amazing... truly shithead evil amazing. And this was for performances? I didn't see their last Tour. They're nothing special live with Ozzy |
| Biggus Dickus 12.06.2017 22:24 |
matt z wrote:They cropped the old pictures they used on their official website. :D So hilarious and petty.Biggus Dickus wrote:REALLY? that's amazing... truly shithead evil amazing. And this was for performances? I didn't see their last Tour. They're nothing special live with Ozzymatt z wrote: Oh they'll definitely snub John Deacon and play WHO NEEDS YOU....to projected slideshow of his face blacked out of every photograph. ....lol. Reminds me of Black Sabbath cutting Bill Ward out of the old pictures. See if you can spot Bill Ward. XD link |
| Togg 13.06.2017 03:38 |
RS_Protos wrote: "there's a few snippets in the back room I'm sure but not a lot that's worth releasing. " Unless you know something we don't....how do you know there's not a lot worth releasing? I think it's more about putting time for something like this and they just don't want too, it's all about AL these days.............It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know if they had workable material they'd have released it... Lets face it Jim would have made sure they capitalised on it, MIH came out long before Rodgers or Lambert came along, if they'd had enough to do more they'd have continued doing it after the success of MIH You seem to blame everything on Lambert, but your not looking at the facts, they have some old outtakes from that period and maybe one or two tracks that were abandoned around the time of The Game but not enough to make anything like an album, they've repeatedly said this, why then do you think they are lying? what would be the point? they'd get it out there and cash in while the brand is high and the demand there, if they leave it till nobody cares it wouldn't sell and wont be work working on for hundreds of hours... Simple thats how I know |
| on my way up 13.06.2017 05:17 |
I was also thinking about a live release celebrating 40 years of NOTW. The tour back in 1977 was rather significant imo... And they have footage! |
| RS_Protos 13.06.2017 08:29 |
I am not looking for an album but I'm sure there's a lot of outtakes etc I disagree that they are not releasing stuff because they don't enough material, they are selling concerts, books, catalog albums etc. now so they are not bothering with that stuff(maybe?). Wasn't there some discussion in the past about releasing box sets etc with rare material and it got shelved? So I think there's plenty. |
| mike hunt 13.06.2017 13:07 |
Plenty of rare stuff to release for an Anthology, I agree not many songs are in the vaults that we havn't heard. Like let me in your heart again or the Made In Heaven Tracks, but I'm sure there are plenty of alternate songs like Freddie singing Rock it, or a version of you take my breath away without the vocal harmonies. Like the live version. Lap of the Gods as well (first version) probably has a simple vocal version. A boxset with these type of rarities would be great, and who knows maybe they could finish a song or two that was never released like face it alone as a selling point. |
| Sebastian 13.06.2017 14:19 |
The super deluxe edition of Sgt Pepper's includes two full discs of rarities, without ever having to bring out unknown songs: just early takes, instrumental mixes, studio banter, etc. A great NotW anthology could be made just by using, for instance: - We Will Rock You: Brian and Mike talking to the usual crowd plus extras about what they want for the stomps and claps... or maybe even a take or two of them overdubbing those. - We Are the Champions: Early takes (the song had been written by 1975, so there may be Opera- and Races- era demos somewhere), backing track attempts, alternate vocals... - Sheer Heart Attack: 1974 demo, first takes (if Roger played bass, drums and rhythm guitar, then it'd be interesting to hear what he did first), perhaps a demo completely sung by Rog, etc. - All Dead, All Dead: Backing track takes and attempts, an a cappella version, a mix with just the guitar parts, a discarded version with Brian (or perhaps Frederick) singing the opening lyrics over the intro. - Spread Your Wings: Early takes, backing track with studio banter, a few discarded ideas, John going through the acoustic guitar parts... - Fight from the Inside: Backing track (whatever it was), a Brian-less version, early takes of the vocal, an a cappella mix. - Get Down, Make Love: Early attempts at the backing track, together with Fred (or Rog) counting them all in at the end of the interlude. - Sleeping on the Sidewalk: The famous first-take from which Brian made up the song, or discarded ones before he realised the first had been the best version. - Who Needs You: Backing track early takes, a guitar-only mix, early vocal attempts. - It's Late: Backing track early takes, vocal outtakes, an a cappella version. - My Melancholy Blues: Fred running through it with John and Rog, vocal outtakes, maybe even an a cappella version. And voila! We could have a fantastic deluxe version without having to invoke lost tracks or mysterious rejects. |
| RS_Protos 13.06.2017 14:21 |
Thank you! |
| Togg 14.06.2017 03:29 |
So why if you think this is actually workable material has it not been done? And please don't tell me it;s because of Adam... that is nonesense, Queen has ALWAYS been a band that looks to make as much profit as humanly possible, so given that they will have had thousands of fans TELLING them what they want over the years, why then would they choose not to do it when theres money to be made? I will say what you've posted there Seb is probably only really of interest to the hardcore fans, so that would limit the profit considerably, your average fan is not going to want half finished versions, only the real hardcore and look at the numbers on here that actually visit and post... not many, not enough to warrant a major release of outtakes. Besides I say it goes against the core brand values of Queen, they were perfectionist and really didnt want you hearing mistakes and outtakes, now that may have slight mellowed now but at it's heart I think they still dont want work in progress out there. At the end of the day, they are not stupid, and they are financially very very savvy, despite what 10-20 people on here might eagerly want, they know the cost of producing something like this and the returns, and I just dont think the numbers add up. The time to do that stuff was 5-10 years after MIH when the public were screaming for more Queen, now I think theres less and less of a market for this. But hey if they did I'd be first in line to buy it, but I doubt that the que would be that long? what was the market for Deep cuts? I hope we do eventually get some sort of anthology with outtakes, but I think that will be literally the last thing they release and probably just at the point when Roger and Brian can no longer work in a studio |
| dysan 14.06.2017 05:02 |
I always wondered what the noise after the first bom bom dah on WWRY is. Sounds like a groan. |
| Sebastian 14.06.2017 07:08 |
Togg wrote: So why if you think this is actually workable material has it not been done?Because the powers that be probably don't want to. And that's absolutely fine - they can do whatever they want. But so can we - and that includes saying that, in my case, I would really love such a release. I'm not saying they 'must' or 'should' do that, I'm saying they 'could' and I would love it if they did. Togg wrote: And please don't tell me it;s because of Adam...It's certainly not - if they hadn't teamed up with him, chances are those outtakes still wouldn't have been released. So he's not a factor in that case. Togg wrote: Queen has ALWAYS been a band that looks to make as much profit as humanly possible ... why then would they choose not to do it when theres money to be made?Because they've ALWAYS been a brand that couldn't care less about what fans want. And that's absolutely fine - they don't owe anyone anything. They're entitled to do what they want, but so are we - and if anyone here or anywhere else wants to say 'wouldn't it be nice if they released so and so?' then there's nothing wrong with that. Togg wrote: your average fan is not going to want half finished versionsSo? That didn't stop class acts such as The Beatles and Pink Floyd from releasing outtakes. If Queen are in the same league (they are), then there's also a market for that - even if that meant only releasing outtakes of the 'Greatest Hits' material. That'd be better than nothing. Togg wrote: look at the numbers on here that actually visit and post... not manyThere could be plenty of reasons for that. Even if that were the case and only those who visit QZ were in capacity of buying those records, there's something called marketing - with some minimum effort, QPL could issue something like the deluxe version I described (or something way, way better than that - I've no idea what sort of treasures they might have in the archives) and get the public's attention. The Beatles did it, The Floyd did it ... if Queen are in the same league (they are), they could also do it and they could also profit from it. I'm not saying they 'should' or 'must', I'm just saying they 'could' and that 'would' be fantastic. Togg wrote: not enough to warrant a major release of outtakes.How about a minor release? It wouldn't cost them much to put those things on iTunes and have people download them for a quid each. That would save them the costs of actually producing thousands of CD's and booklets which might end up in the skip - though, personally, I still think they could sell those too, at least as a limited edition. Togg wrote: Besides I say it goes against the core brand values of Queen, they were perfectionist and really didnt want you hearing mistakes and outtakes...That 'perfectionists' argument is a bit misleading IMO: sure, they meant for stuff to be excellent, but they weren't as anal as they're usually described. Not in vain, there are some mistakes on their released records, and that, again, is absolutely fine. I'd say the core brand values of Queen are not about perfectionism (which doesn't mean they crave mediocrity, not at all - remember B/W, greyscale, colours...) but, as you said, about making money. Considering even 'Mr Bad Guy' and 'Barcelona' got that outtakes treatment, I find it disappointing that Queen albums haven't so far (and probably won't ever). Not 'I wanna boycott Maylor' disappointing, not 'I shall go on a killing spree' disappointing, just 'wouldn't it be nice if there were outtakes out there? It's a shame that's not the case!' disappointing. dysan wrote: I always wondered what the noise after the first bom bom dah on WWRY is. Sounds like a groan.From the doctor's mouth (well... keyboard, technically) on his website in 2004: '[That sound] is the tail end of me counting the stamps and claps in, that fateful day so long ago in Wessex Studios in North London. I don't know if I've described it before but I got into applying loads of different delays, not multiples of each other - prime numbers. A lot of these got applied to the original count, plus the final long delay was from one 'boom boom crack' to the next. So you hear 'four' delayed into the track in a kind of multiple echo.' |
| RS_Protos 14.06.2017 09:00 |
It definitely would have been nice even just for the few hard core fans, but they will never go out of there way to do something like that, its all about money. Look at the previous few releases, they could have included more stuff in the box set versions but they didn't, it definitely seems they are doing it on purpose, I don't blame AL(even though I can't stand him), I blame BM and RT for doing this. They only care about selling out concerts now, it's the most profit making, it's their right to do whatever they want, it's just the bullsh_t they are saying annoys me lately. |
| Togg 14.06.2017 10:47 |
I think a good chunk of that is reasonable to assume yes Seb, but I would take issue with a few things, firstly " because the powers that be don't want to" but you have to ask why? if as you say there's a market? why not do it? they never shy away from profit, they know some folk out there want it, I assume Greg Brooks at least will have told them that... so why not? One can only assume two things, firstly there isn't actually as much as you think in the archives and doing it would be impossible, or secondly Roger and Brian don't want to do it, again I come back to why? too much hassle? too much time working on old stuff they are no longer interested in? I still say it would have been done, hell they could have got someone else to put 95% of it together without them stepping into the studio and getting their hands dirty had they wanted to, so I'm just not convinced there is anything like the amount in the vaults as you assume. Secondly I would take slight issue with "Because they've ALWAYS been a brand that couldn't care less about what fans want" Really?? well producing The Works would seem to say that's not true, Hot Space was slammed at the time, and they could have gone on to produce other more diverse albums, but no they did what fans wanted and produced a core Queen style album, secondly they do tend to do want a lot of people want, it's just that hardcore fans (again the few really hardcore fan that there are) say different. I'd say their history says they've dared to be different and when it's worked they've gone with it, when it didnt and the fans didnt want it they scrapped it and moved on, Hot Space, being the biggest example. hardcore fans weren't too keen with the WWRY show, but it lasted 12 years so the average fan wanted it, the Madness show lasted a few weeks... as have a million other west end shows based on bands. I kind of struggle to see many occassions when they've gone against fans wishes except and anthology, and a 70's DVD release... but even that in their eyes they've done with Rainbow, the fact they haven't released Houston or Earls Court is maybe irrelevant I just don't see a meeting taking place with Brian Roger and Jim sitting down and disguarding any information about what fans want unless there's a bloody good reason, and it's that reason that usually comes back to the hardcore material isnt there in sufficient quantity or quality, or the returns fall short of the outlay... its just business, they dont sit there trying to make up things the general public arent going to buy for the hell of it, each product will have enough research behind it to know if it will sell. Your average Queen fan just wants to see them play live given that many of the newer fans never got to see Freddie, it's the next best thing. |
| RS_Protos 14.06.2017 11:29 |
Togg, do you seriously believe there isn't enough material? FM had only 2 albums and had tons in the box set. They are milking it as much as they can and since they are still selling out concerts its a long way to go, until they need the old fans again. |
| The Real Wizard 14.06.2017 16:34 |
Sebastian wrote: A great NotW anthology could be made just by using, for instance: - Sleeping on the Sidewalk: The famous first-take from which Brian made up the song, or discarded ones before he realised the first had been the best version.It's just not going to happen. They don't want the public to know how many punch-ins there were. For this same reason, the public will never get a full breakdown of what shows made up Live Killers - some songs come from 4 and 5 nights, never mind the studio overdubs. They are protecting their legacy as they always have. Queen have always been protective of their creative process. Even in interviews in the 70s, they said a whole lot while saying a whole lot of nothing. We know so little about it compared to The Beatles, for example. We know the dates of virtually every take of every Beatles song, and have access to the audio of hundreds of hours of them. And they just released two full discs of Sgt Pepper outtakes. Queen, by contrast, are all about the final product. Always has been, always will be. We should count our blessings that they put out the dozen tracks they did on the 2011 remasters (ignoring the fact that guide vocals were anachronistically blended with final instrumental takes for many of them), and the few other things that trickle down to collectors. There won't be much more - you can bet your life. |
| ITSM 14.06.2017 19:13 |
I want a mini-robot-sculpture. Also Houston '77 would be great on video. |
| Togg 15.06.2017 03:15 |
RS_Protos wrote: Togg, do you seriously believe there isn't enough material? FM had only 2 albums and had tons in the box set. They are milking it as much as they can and since they are still selling out concerts its a long way to go, until they need the old fans again.I don't think there is as much as we think, and I don't think what is in there is viewed as material that could be turned into something usable, and the only reason I say that is because I feel they would have done much more with it if there was. I'm sure there are boxes and boxes of bits... but three false starts and then a wrong note is not going to be viewed as something they think the public will want to pay for. And as I say I think I agree it's always been about the fonal product Any recording work I've ever done in the past, I've only ever wanted people to hear the final version, not all the mistakes I made getting it to that point... So I do understand why they might feel it takes away from the final finished track if we hear Freddie screw up the vocal 10 times beforehand. Regarding Live Killers I never understood that? why when they were always an amazing band live did they feel the need to cobble together tracks out of dozens of nights... there was no need |
| on my way up 15.06.2017 05:13 |
Togg wrote:About the studiorecordings: I am sure there's loads of truly fantastic stuff in the archives. Even if they choose not include mistakes there are surely plenty of alternate takes which are amazing. The demo's from Bad Guy and Barcelona for example offer insight in how truly briljant FM's voice really was. I can't imagine thos Queen demos not being as exciting as those solo demos.RS_Protos wrote: Togg, do you seriously believe there isn't enough material? FM had only 2 albums and had tons in the box set. They are milking it as much as they can and since they are still selling out concerts its a long way to go, until they need the old fans again.I don't think there is as much as we think, and I don't think what is in there is viewed as material that could be turned into something usable, and the only reason I say that is because I feel they would have done much more with it if there was. I'm sure there are boxes and boxes of bits... but three false starts and then a wrong note is not going to be viewed as something they think the public will want to pay for. And as I say I think I agree it's always been about the fonal product Any recording work I've ever done in the past, I've only ever wanted people to hear the final version, not all the mistakes I made getting it to that point... So I do understand why they might feel it takes away from the final finished track if we hear Freddie screw up the vocal 10 times beforehand. Regarding Live Killers I never understood that? why when they were always an amazing band live did they feel the need to cobble together tracks out of dozens of nights... there was no need I don't think that the problem is that it are "bad" outtakes, it is - as The Real Wizard says - just a matter of band policy. They do not want to give away the secrets of the creation of those masterpieces. They want to keep the mystique, I guess. |
| Togg 15.06.2017 06:49 |
I think that's a strong possibilty yes, I just feel they would have emptied the vault by now if they were EVER going to and made the most of it while there were calls for it, there is literally no point in leaving it until Queen as a functioning band is no more because by that time many of the potential market may have moved on as well.... I mean maybe like the Beatles 50 years after they stop someone will dig it out but I cant see it happening now while Brian and Roger are still around |
| Sebastian 15.06.2017 06:56 |
The Real Wizard wrote: It's just not going to happen...Certainly! But, then again, that's why my point is neither 'they "must" do it' nor 'they "should" do it,' but 'wouldn't it be nice if they did? It's a shame that's not the case!' I admit, however, that I'm not as pessimistic. Back in 2013, the overwhelming majority of us assumed that: - 'Master-Stroke' had never been played live. - Even if it had, they would never ever release it. Same for, say, piano versions of 'Football Fight' and 'The Kiss' back in 2010, or 'Mad the Swine' back in 1990... so, theoretically, there could be some stuff that we now either don't know exists or think will never see the light of day and, sooner or later, we'll be surprised. Granted, it won't be *everything* we're dreaming of, it might be marred by AutoTune (as TFFMS was), it might include liner notes errors (as is often the case with QPL releases), but it may happen, at least partially. |
| RS_Protos 15.06.2017 10:18 |
I still believe it's because they are still selling out, lot of profits still coming in. Once it goes down lots of things change. |
| RafaelS 17.06.2017 09:51 |
I don't think it's worthwhile for a release of the same old stuff. The things that should be released which are Greatest Video Hits and a DVD/Blu Ray covering the Innuendo period has been ignored for 15 years. |
| Anton3283 17.06.2017 11:11 |
News of the world stuff for example Bob Harris documentary would be nice |
| mooghead 17.06.2017 14:48 |
They will do exactly the same for the 40th anniversary of NOTW as they did for the 5 preceding albums. |
| Negative Creep 18.06.2017 06:15 |
I don't think anyone is wanting the band to release abandoned half arsed takes of released songs - I think you're massively underestimating what they have in their archives if you think they'd have to be scraping the barrel to issue unreleased material. |
| Sebastian 18.06.2017 07:43 |
Negative Creep wrote: I don't think anyone is wanting the band to release abandoned half arsed takes of released songsTBH, I wouldn't mind if they did! |
| SpaceGrey 18.06.2017 08:42 |
Negative Creep wrote: I don't think anyone is wanting the band to release abandoned half arsed takes of released songsWhat do you mean ? |
| soxtalon 19.06.2017 16:29 |
Sebastian wrote:Me too. I'd love it. I love hearing different versions and takes...I basically want it all. Different takes, any full songs, any half baked ideas...I love hearing them allNegative Creep wrote: I don't think anyone is wanting the band to release abandoned half arsed takes of released songsTBH, I wouldn't mind if they did! |
| Togg 20.06.2017 05:57 |
Sebastian wrote:I'd love it too, but I suspect we'd be in the minority so ...Negative Creep wrote: I don't think anyone is wanting the band to release abandoned half arsed takes of released songsTBH, I wouldn't mind if they did! |
| Sebastian 20.06.2017 09:09 |
Only a minority would care about a 1980 version of 'It's a Beautiful Day' or a piano take of 'Football Fight', and they still got released. So odds are there, even if they're minimal. |
| dysan 20.06.2017 09:44 |
I do wonder the thining behind those particular releases you mention Sebastian. I think that Football Fight take was one of the more valuable additions to the 2011 reissues. The rough SASS add even more evidence that they're prepared to be candid. That was especially notable because it was Brian's. I'd LOVE to see the email exchanges that went on behind the scenes before they were released. |
| Michael Scapp 18.07.2017 09:05 |
There was a tiny blurb in the Planet Rock about how NOTW was "poised for an anniversary release" this year. I know it's vague, but it gives me some hope, especially since Brian May was interviewed in the same issue. |