QueenZone discussion #1467756
Shove It LP - The facts
| brians wig 11.05.2017 04:35 |
So. Rumours abound for many a decade that Shove it is, in actuality, Roger's third solo album and that "The Cross" was formed to play it live. It has been said that all members of Queen were heavily involved in the making of the album, but what exactly is the truth? Does anyone actually know? |
| cmi 11.05.2017 04:47 |
Interesting thread, yes! As I know the whole thing was recorded by Roger and Spike Edney with some help by FM, BM and JD. Final touches were made with The Cross members. |
| Wiley 11.05.2017 05:00 |
I think it would have worked better as a Roger solo album with him playing most instruments. He did great with Fun in space (my favorite Rog album) and even if it wasn't perfect there was some satisfaction with the 'multi-instrumentalist Roger ' angle. He could have then toured with shitty pub band musicians if he wanted to. |
| Cruella de Vil 11.05.2017 06:15 |
JD?? Which track and where?? I know it didn't set the world afire, but I still like it. |
| cmsdrums 11.05.2017 08:12 |
Cruella de Vil wrote: JD?? Which track and where?? I know it didn't set the world afire, but I still like it.It wouldn't surprise me if John at least features on 'Heaven For Everyone'; there is a little bass 'trill' higher up the neck which appears in the little breakdown section before the "What people do to other souls" vocal on The Cross' version, and just before the guitar solo on the Queen version. Because the Queen version does not appear to have been re-recorded or replaced in any way but is the same take as The Cross version, and Peter Noone does not get a credit on the 'Made In heaven' album sleeve, it could well be John (it certainly sounds more his style than Roger's bass playing). My overall recollection of the album info is that Roger pretty much had to record the album in order to secure a record deal, and then recruited the band members to be able to play it live; he then flew them out to Ibiza to get to know each other and re-record a few bits here and there, but essentially the album is pretty much him on most of it. |
| Sebastian 11.05.2017 08:42 |
It could also be Erdal Kizilçay. He's thanked on both 'Shove It' and 'Made in Heaven', was friendly with David Richards and used to spend a lot of time in Montreux in those days. |
| last-horizon 42265 11.05.2017 08:53 |
The Cross re-recorded the whole album 'live' in the studio, as confirmed by Spike and Josh in a 2013 interview around the 'The Lot' era and The Cross brief re-union. Josh had considered its inclusion in the box set but ultimately the idea has been shelved (probably by RT) himself, unfortunately. I bet it sounded pretty much as the songs did live during the 1988 tour (more rocker than the 'popish' released versions). So the only 'intriguing' version would be Rough Justice, that is the only song from the album that never made it to the set list. |
| Vali 11.05.2017 08:58 |
last-horizon 42265 wrote: Josh had considered its inclusion in the box set but ultimately the idea has been shelved (probably by RT) himself, unfortunately.noooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!! that would have been a fantastic extra for The Lot :-(((( |
| brians wig 11.05.2017 09:42 |
last-horizon 42265 wrote: Josh had considered its inclusion in the box set but ultimately the idea has been shelvedNow THAT is a damn shame and would have put paid to the thread we are now reading! |
| dysan 11.05.2017 12:40 |
Much a weird record. |
| cmsdrums 11.05.2017 13:19 |
last-horizon 42265 wrote: So the only 'intriguing' version would be Rough Justice, that is the only song from the album that never made it to the set list.That would have been good; odd that track wasn't aired live when 'Feel The Force', 'Manipulator', 'Lets Get Drunk (and be somebody)' all got played, plus earlier Roger solo tracks like 'It's An Illusion' and 'Lets Get Crazy'. To hear that album redone by the band in the studio would be great! |
| cmsdrums 11.05.2017 13:26 |
Sebastian wrote: It could also be Erdal Kizilçay. He's thanked on both 'Shove It' and 'Made in Heaven', was friendly with David Richards and used to spend a lot of time in Montreux in those days.Cheers Seb - I'd never really picked up on him as one of the contributors to the 'Queen family' before...seems you could be right based on the bio on the front page here: link |
| dysan 12.05.2017 01:13 |
Can't say I really paid attention to that either. His work with Bowie around that time (87 - 94) is well documented. |
| Maxïmo Razzamatazz 12.05.2017 08:14 |
cmsdrums wrote: Because the Queen version does not appear to have been re-recorded or replaced in any way but is the same take as The Cross versionWhaaaaaaat, are you taking the piss? The Queen version to me sounds like a completely new May/Taylor/Deacon recording, especially the bass coming in at 3m50s when Freddie starts singing 'Listen! What people do to other souls...' |
| Maxïmo Razzamatazz 12.05.2017 08:19 |
Sebastian wrote: It could also be Erdal Kizilçay. He's thanked on both 'Shove It' and 'Made in Heaven', was friendly with David Richards and used to spend a lot of time in Montreux in those days.So you guys are telling me that Queen's version Heaven For Everyone might not feature John Deacon on bass? I just can't believe it, to me it has always sounded as Deacon, it made me quite emotional when I first heard the song in 1995. |
| cmsdrums 12.05.2017 12:06 |
Maxïmo Razzamatazz wrote:I clearly didn't mean the whole song!! I was referring purely to that very specific short bass piece.cmsdrums wrote: Because the Queen version does not appear to have been re-recorded or replaced in any way but is the same take as The Cross versionWhaaaaaaat, are you taking the piss? The Queen version to me sounds like a completely new May/Taylor/Deacon recording, especially the bass coming in at 3m50s when Freddie starts singing 'Listen! What people do to other souls...' |
| Sebastian 12.05.2017 15:20 |
Maxïmo Razzamatazz wrote: So you guys are telling me that Queen's version Heaven For Everyone might not feature John Deacon on bass? I just can't believe it, to me it has always sounded as Deacon, it made me quite emotional when I first heard the song in 1995.It could easily be a mixture... some parts preserved from the '87 version, some parts re-recorded. Same for keyboards and of course vocals (old lead vocals, new harmonies). |
| Maxïmo Razzamatazz 14.05.2017 04:06 |
Thank you both for the fast replies! (Smiley that wipes sweat from his forehead) |