| cmsdrums 23.03.2017 17:45 |
Was this one known about until now? I wonder if it was literally some lyrics that got discarded or if it became a full blown song that reached at least demo version but never saw the light of day? |
| Jake12 23.03.2017 17:50 |
Beat me to the post! I hope one day they do release this demo.. (if there is one) but all that effort in putting it down in pen and paper I'm sure their is somewhat of a demo out there! |
| Jake12 23.03.2017 17:52 |
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| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 23.03.2017 18:39 |
Maybe discarded lyrics for one of the songs that made it to the record? Back Chat (Wooly Hat)? Put Out the Fire? (I know, long shot). :D Cheers, Ogre- |
| The Real Wizard 23.03.2017 22:22 |
Neato ! One of dozens of unheard songs in the vaults, no doubt. |
| Cruella de Vil 23.03.2017 22:50 |
Hi, why would a Freddie ballade about love, be discaeded lyrics for Back Chat or Put Out the Fire? Maybe it got reworked into one of the Mr Bad Guy songs?? |
| musicland munich 24.03.2017 01:11 |
Yes, it's new to me. But it fits with my vaguely belives about unreleased tracks. Recently I came across to a short RT interview snippet ( March 84'), where he mentioned that Freddie is still working on his compilation of Soul Sounds, Ballads and Rockabilly stuff. |
| matt z 24.03.2017 02:46 |
sounds like an upbeat "hound dog" clap and stomp classic r&b proto rock style song... that'd make sense with Munich 's statement above. I can picture a rhythm for the verse. no idea bout the rest. could be incredibly wrong. ... but it goes to show that there's gotta be other stuff out there. so sad some fans may NEVER hear it. especially after all those years of believing QUEEN would put out something to rival the Beatles anthology (*in terms of new cuts I think they did better with MIH... I don't understand the QZ hatred for the album) |
| brians wig 25.03.2017 05:18 |
matt z wrote: so sad some fans may NEVER hear it.What's really sad and tragic about that is that QPL may never release this stuff until both Brian & Roger (and maybe Beach) have died, by which time, a lot of the orginal fans who supported Queen from day one and helped to pay their mortgages and lifestyle, will also be dead, essentially leaving the archives to newer fans who weren't even born until after "Queen" ended, maybe even decades after :( |
| tomchristie22 25.03.2017 07:18 |
Thing is, if they didn't release it, they probably thought it was shit. It's an understandable urge as fans to want to have a more complete knowledge of the artist's work. But the fact is that any unreleased stuff which might come out in future still wouldn't truly be part of the Queen canon - the selection of albums and live recordings that they intended to be viewed as their body of work - for the reason that the vast majority of it wouldn't be up to the standard of all the material they chose to record and release back in the day. As hardcore fans we can make that distinction and appreciate discarded stuff for what it offers us in terms of the band's development as writers etc. But they also have a larger consumer base to please, and unless they can work an unreleased song up to the standard of Let Me In Your Heart Again, they're unlikely to think of it as something that ought to be heard by the general public. From the artist's point of view... I imagine Brian, Roger, and John stand by their decisions re: what to put out and what to discard. To lose that control, along with any sense of a refined and carefully chosen catalogue, would be pretty distressing as an artist. |
| Oscar J 25.03.2017 07:33 |
A track deemed too poor for Hot Space must be truly, utterly horrific. |
| on my way up 25.03.2017 08:56 |
Oscar J wrote: A track deemed too poor for Hot Space must be truly, utterly horrific.Maybe it was too good for Hot Space :-) |
| stevelondon20 25.03.2017 10:07 |
Really don't see all the Hate for Hot Space. It's one of my favourite Albums! |
| dysan 25.03.2017 11:58 |
I agree. When I'm into it, I love it. Like Bowie's Lodger - a connoisseur's choice. |
| dudley-fufkin 7834 27.03.2017 06:23 |
cant we write some sort of petition for brian, roger and jim to see reguarding the release of archive stuff in its formal glory? i have a feeling i will die before they ever get released!!! |
| Costa86 27.03.2017 09:13 |
dudley-fuckfin I think this won't work - they are already aware of what fans want. But Queen Productions don't do what fans want, they do what they think will make the most financial sense. Also Greg Brooks knows all too well. |
| dysan 27.03.2017 12:02 |
I hope Brian and Roger Queenify any unreleased Queen songs before releasing them as I don't like the production on things I've never hear before. |
| RS_Protos 27.03.2017 14:48 |
Keep dreaming everyone, maybe in another 20 years we might get one more track like LMIYHA. Queen+, monopoly game, etc, are more important, more money, F_ _ K what the fans want |
| dudley-fufkin 7834 28.03.2017 06:24 |
to be honest i fucking hate the adam lambert stuff, they look like old men just holding onto something that should have been let go of years ago. john deacon did the best thing, hes the only one with dignity now. and why is brian recording with kerry ellis all the time? im sure he has the hots for her. its just crap acoustic covers that no one wants to hear. If they did a pink floyd style anthology releasing everything unheard instead of 6 different wembley dvds, they would regain some sort of respect, but its all about money now, record companies have contracted them to make a certain amount of releases a year, so if theres no new queen material, cos the singer is dead, they will just re hash previously released stuff or tour with lambert. |
| Sebastian 28.03.2017 07:50 |
dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: to be honest i fucking hate the adam lambert stuffThen don't buy the tickets or (potential upcoming) recordings, simple as that. I don't hate that collaboration, but am also not interested in it, so I choose that option, it's much better for everybody. dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: they look like old men just holding onto something that should have been let go of years ago.Why should they? If they want to do it and are still good at it and people are still willing to pay good money to see them, why should they retire? dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: john deacon did the best thing, hes the only one with dignity now.Depends on how you define 'dignity,' because that's such a subjective concept. He still earns money for whatever Maylor do, so his hands are as 'clean' or 'dirty' as theirs. dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: why is brian recording with kerry ellis all the time?Because he wants to. It's not like he needs anybody's permission. dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: im sure he has the hots for her.Even if that were the case, that'd only concern him and her and their respective spouses, not us. dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: its just crap acoustic covers that no one wants to hear.Some of them are not crap, some of them are not acoustic, some of them are not covers and there are certainly people who do want to hear those. I don't, but there are plenty who do, enough to make it a profitable project. dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: its all about money nowYeah, because in the past it was never about money. They had always dreamt of being poor. They never ever wanted to be celebrities. |
| Vocal harmony 28.03.2017 08:22 |
^^^^ you beat me to the post Seb. Great reply! ?? |
| RS_Protos 28.03.2017 08:47 |
I agree with "dudley-fufkin 7834". Also great points from Seb and I understand it's their choice but sometimes dignity and pride is more important than money. I think what they are doing now is ridiculous with AL. They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap. For me its ruining the image of Queen in my mind, this is my choice and I dont want to tell other people what to do, if they like it good for them. |
| Sebastian 28.03.2017 09:36 |
RS_Protos wrote: sometimes dignity and pride is more important than money.If they decided to retire just because some people (e.g. myself) wouldn't pay to see them with a reality programme loser or because some people would resent the idea, how much dignity would that entail? As for pride ... if by the time I'm in my late sixties I rock the shit out of packed venues and still do what I love for a living, I'll certainly be proud. |
| RS_Protos 28.03.2017 13:33 |
You're right Sebastian. I'm definitely one of those who can't stand AL and the whole Queen+ thing, I think i'm pissed because of the releases in the last 20 years plus........ |
| The Real Wizard 29.03.2017 00:26 |
Sebastian wrote:Excellent post. But this particular part had me laughing out loud !dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: its just crap acoustic covers that no one wants to hear.Some of them are not crap, some of them are not acoustic, some of them are not covers and there are certainly people who do want to hear those. |
| The Real Wizard 29.03.2017 00:32 |
RS_Protos wrote: They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap.Possibly your last chance to see Brian May live, and you're missing out on it due to a moral crusade? Are you sure you're a Queen fan, and not just a Freddie fan? Let's not forget that even five years from now seeing Brian and Roger probably won't even be an option. Something tells me there will be a lot of people silently regretting that they didn't get to see half of their favourite band live one last time. |
| Double-U 29.03.2017 03:51 |
Amen! |
| Ivo-1976 29.03.2017 04:30 |
I think that there will be only one more Europe/UK tour after this one. If they are up to it. |
| Holly2003 29.03.2017 04:49 |
They can do what they want, of course, but it's misleading to say they're "rocking the shit" out of anything. It's all very dull and pedestrian. For example, the New Years Eve show they did 2014-15 was very boring and lacking in energy. |
| dudley-fufkin 7834 29.03.2017 06:07 |
the adam lambert stuff is bullshit, totally flogging a dead horse, they even need 2 drummers now cos roger is too old to drum. call it a day lads, stop holding on to the past, release the archives and retire! |
| Oscar J 29.03.2017 07:37 |
I agree with both sides here. They're entitled to do what they want and it's nice to still have the guys healthy. On the other hand, they're not playing even nearly well enough for me to be particularly interested in it. |
| Sebastian 29.03.2017 07:41 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Possibly your last chance to see Brian May live, and you're missing out on it due to a moral crusade?I know it wasn't directed at me, but it can also apply to me in a way. I did have a few chances to see Brian (either with Roger and Adam, or with Kerry) and decided not to, and I don't regret it at all. My seat was occupied by someone who almost certainly enjoyed way more than I would have and my money was saved and invested in something I almost certainly enjoyed way more. The Real Wizard wrote: Are you sure you're a Queen fan, and not just a Freddie fan?If Brian had been the one who had kicked it and the tour consisted of Frederick, Roger and the loser from some guitarist contest or something, I wouldn't have attended either. The Real Wizard wrote: Something tells me there will be a lot of people silently regretting that they didn't get to see half of their favourite band live one last time.I personally don't, same way I don't regret not having seen Roger Waters, Paul McCartney and others. For some people it is really not that important. If I go to a concert, I don't care if it's someone who used to write magnificent music; I care about the way they're performing then and there. If they're sounding like the average pub cover band, then I'd rather go and see a bloody pub cover band for 5% the ticket prize, and let someone else take my seat. Holly2003 wrote: They can do what they want, of course, but it's misleading to say they're "rocking the shit" out of anything. It's all very dull and pedestrian. For example, the New Years Eve show they did 2014-15 was very boring and lacking in energy.That's one of the gigs I deliberately missed out on, even though I was within walking distance (I don't live in London, but I was spending a few days there and it coincided). I honestly don't know if it was any good, but those who did go were raving about it - but then again perhaps it was just because of the semi-religious way they see those people, not because of the actual musical quality of the performance. Back to Bob's point, let's imagine that had been my very last chance to see them live. Let's pretend they all died the next day. Would I have regretted it then? We shall never know, but I'm inclined to say no: if that would've been their very last concert, then it was even more fitting that 'my' place was taken by someone who - probably - genuinely wanted to see them and genuinely had a good time. dudley-fufkin 7834 wrote: stop holding on to the past, release the archivesThat's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. If they stopped holding on to the past then it'd be a matter of destroying the archives rather than releasing them. Or perhaps it is (some of) us who are holding on to the past as well... not that there's anything wrong with that. The way I see it: - 'I love how that reality programme loser sings and I want to see them': Absolutely fine (even though I personally disagree). - 'I think that reality programme loser is better than Frederick': Absolutely fine (even though I personally strongly disagree). - 'I think they sound better now than in the 70's': Absolutely fine (even though I personally really strongly disagree). - 'I prefer to hear a song that didn't make it to their worst album than going to a concert of theirs right now': Absolutely fine (and that's my case). - 'Because I don't like this collab, they should retire': Absolutely deluded (they don't owe anything to anyone). I suppose, depending on how you defined 'holding on to the past', we'd all be guilty of it one way or another. My way of holding on to the past, regarding Queen, is listening to - and briefly analysing - their 1971 - 1991 catalogue (and sometimes the 1980 - 1995 bits and pieces that make up 'Made in Heaven'), and there's nothing wrong with that; others prefer to focus on what they do right now and there's nothing wrong with that either. What I do find wrong is demanding others (or them) to fit whichever happens to be your position. |
| jozef 29.03.2017 07:43 |
RS_Protos: "I agree with "dudley-fufkin 7834". Also great points from Seb and I understand it's their choice but sometimes dignity and pride is more important than money. I think what they are doing now is ridiculous with AL. They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap. For me its ruining the image of Queen in my mind, this is my choice and I dont want to tell other people what to do, if they like it good for them." I agree with you absolutely. |
| dudley-fufkin 7834 30.03.2017 06:21 |
are you brian may, sebastian? |
| Costa86 30.03.2017 06:27 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Seeing Brian May live was great. It was worth going to a Queen+AL show just to hear him. So much better to hear it in person - an amazing sound.RS_Protos wrote: They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap.Possibly your last chance to see Brian May live, and you're missing out on it due to a moral crusade? Are you sure you're a Queen fan, and not just a Freddie fan? Let's not forget that even five years from now seeing Brian and Roger probably won't even be an option. Something tells me there will be a lot of people silently regretting that they didn't get to see half of their favourite band live one last time. |
| Vocal harmony 30.03.2017 08:40 |
Costa86 wrote:That's it in a nut shell for many of us. So much of the identifiable Queen sound comes from Brian's guitar work which is why, if you like Lambert or can accept the fact Freddie isn't there, it works.The Real Wizard wrote:Seeing Brian May live was great. It was worth going to a Queen+AL show just to hear him. So much better to hear it in person - an amazing sound.RS_Protos wrote: They are coming to my city and my choice is not to go even though i've been a fan for over 35 years, I don't want to see this crap.Possibly your last chance to see Brian May live, and you're missing out on it due to a moral crusade? Are you sure you're a Queen fan, and not just a Freddie fan? Let's not forget that even five years from now seeing Brian and Roger probably won't even be an option. Something tells me there will be a lot of people silently regretting that they didn't get to see half of their favourite band live one last time. Calling their shows crap because you don't like the singer or the fact they're still touring is childish and narrow minded. |
| RS_Protos 30.03.2017 09:43 |
Maybe I am narrow minded and to me it's still crap. I've seen Q+AL in the US before and to me it was degrading because of AL. I'm a huge BM fan and guitar player(RS guitars etc...) but personally i cant except it maybe is the word, not sure.....for me Paul Rodgers was a more classic fit and queen feel. AL's singing, moves, etc, is very annoying to me and as much as i want to go just for BM and RT it's hard. |
| The Real Wizard 30.03.2017 22:42 |
RS_Protos wrote: for me Paul Rodgers was a more classic fit and queen feel.You're in the minority there. Most people who rejected him at the time did so because his bluesy delivery couldn't have been further away from Queen (which is precisely what Brian and Roger found attractive). And now they've got a guy with the flamboyance factor and who's more faithful to the originals, and people think he's "too close" to Freddie to the point of being an insult. They just can't win. |
| Sebastian 31.03.2017 01:14 |
The Real Wizard wrote: They just can't win.They're doing what they love, doing it well and earning really good money for it. They've already won. |
| jozef 31.03.2017 05:06 |
"They're doing what they love, doing it well and earning really good money for it. They've already won." ... And I won too :-) ... Such 10 -15 years ago, I devoured every their word and watched all articles and information about them (I saw Q+PR in 2005 and 2008). Today, they are dead for me. My win is that I've got plenty space to discover other musical worlds and music Queen has moved to the side level ... Q+AL is for me an absolute fetid basement ... People should know when to walk away with head held high ... |
| Vocal harmony 31.03.2017 07:54 |
When the PR tours were announced I was quiet excited by the thought of the songs having a different feel. I fairly quickly accepted that Paul Rodgers wasn't Freddie and if we were going to ever see Queen live in an format this was the only chance. I enjoyed the shows although I always felt it was more like a Paul Rodgers show with (the 2) members of Queen rather than a Queen show. The addition of Jamie Moses produced a different approach from Brian which sounded different to the classic years. The Free and Bad Co songs seemed to sit better with the musicians and of course the singer than most of the Queen material. The look of the production on both outings just didn't have that Queen look to it, both stage and lights looked like they'd raided a parts bin from other artists tours! The U.K. Hall of fame show is interesting. To me the blues tinged vocal on Champions was great, but from then to the last show Rodgers played with them it was never bettered. Usually singers grow into the songs over time, Paul Rodgers never did. With Lambert, I wasn't sure. My line was always give him a chance and see what happens before shooting him down. It was a slow start and he was really thrown in the deep end. I've now seen a few shows with him and it feels more like a band pulling in the same direction, much more Queen than it was with PR. Those who say his voice doesn't suit everything are right, but that could be said of Rodgers too. Lambert has improved too and appears more comfortable with the songs than he was at the start. The production they tour with looks a lot more Queen like too. And Brian is back as The guitarist rather than A guitarist. Standing watching the last shows the atmosphere, sound and look all felt closer to Queen than the 2005 to 09 period Whether or not people like Adam Lambert or like the fact the band are still touring is a matter of personal opinion, but none of us have the right to say they shouldn't be doing it. They are musicians, and musicians play music. Most play to a handful in a bar or club, some are lucky enough to sell tickets. If you can sell tickets in there 10's of thousands to people who enjoy what you do then that what you'll do. As someone pointed out, in five years time all of this will be history. Be part of it if you want, if you don't then don't moan about it and complain just don't buy a ticket |
| Sebastian 31.03.2017 08:24 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Whether or not people like Adam Lambert or like the fact the band are still touring is a matter of personal opinion, but none of us have the right to say they shouldn't be doing it. They are musicians, and musicians play music. Most play to a handful in a bar or club, some are lucky enough to sell tickets. If you can sell tickets in there 10's of thousands to people who enjoy what you do then that what you'll do. As someone pointed out, in five years time all of this will be history. Be part of it if you want, if you don't then don't moan about it and complain just don't buy a ticketPerfect. I agree with every word. |
| RS_Protos 31.03.2017 08:44 |
After all, he's part of the family now: link All AL fans can buy the Q-3D book too, he's included in the end of the book, yipppeeee, got to get that extra cash i guess..... |
| Wiley 03.04.2017 22:04 |
I've welcomed and seized almost every opportunity to see them live between 2005 and 2014. Even before that, I remember two unsuccessful opportunities, one in 2002 when they decided not to play Party in the Park after being in the bill and in 2004 when Brian pulled out of Eric Clapton's Crossroads Festival just because he was tired, busy or whatever. Both times I was in the audience. I've never taken it for granted because I remember how rare this was between 1999 and 2004. Hell, I was pumped when they played WWRY with 5ive at the Brits! "Why couldn't they just TOUR?!", I thought, with George Michael, Robbie Williams, whatever the latest rumor was. Then Paul Rodgers happened... and it was great (to me). I think the collaboration had much more musical merit than the Lambert gigs and I even liked some ideas in The Cosmos Rocks (not so much the execution). Although I must say that Adam Lambert has grown into the part and every appearance and tour has been better than the one before. I'm honestly surprised about how much the general public have accepted him -especially in the U.S.!- and I'm glad, if only to see Dr. Clogs taking the Old Lady for a spin once again. Rock on! |
| ITSM 05.04.2017 02:29 |
I watched YouTube and automatically Queen + A.L. came on with We are the Champions. It was weird, especially when he sang You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it, I thank you all. May and Taylor looks like a parody of themselves, I think it's kinda sad. Of course they can do what they want, but it's not my cup of tea. Sorry, had to get it out. Hot Space I like, great for cleaning the apartment! And Cool Cat is great any sunny day! |
| Vocal harmony 05.04.2017 08:44 |
ITSM wrote: I watched YouTube and automatically Queen + A.L. came on with We are the Champions. It was weird, especially when he sang You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it, I thank you all. . . . . .Those are the words of the song, so the choice is sing it, or don't sing it. It became a traditional part of the show years ago. Whether it is sung by Freddie, Lisa Minnelli, any of the actors who played Galileo (in We Will Rock You) any number of singers in Queen tribute bands including QEX, Paul Rodgers or Adam Lambert. If you think that line is weird sung by one particular singer, what about the others? |
| GB: Queen Archivist 10.04.2017 06:48 |
This is a song for which only basic ideas exist. It was never revisited, never finished. I went back to the Montreux Queen Studio Experience last month to update the 8 exhibit cases and thought it might be nice to offer some previously unseen handwritten lyrics. This example never even featured in the Complete Lyrics book we did a few years back, obviously, because it was never released. There are 4 or 5 new handwritten lyric sheets around the exhibition now, mostly for Hot Space. And a few more at the BME, if you're interested, in Liverpool. GB |
| Queenman!! 10.04.2017 06:56 |
GB: Queen Archivist wrote: This is a song for which only basic ideas exist. It was never revisited, never finished. I went back to the Montreux Queen Studio Experience last month to update the 8 exhibit cases and thought it might be nice to offer some previously unseen handwritten lyrics. This example never even featured in the Complete Lyrics book we did a few years back, obviously, because it was never released. There are 4 or 5 new handwritten lyric sheets around the exhibition now, mostly for Hot Space. And a few more at the BME, if you're interested, in Liverpool. GB========================================= No problem it was never finished Brooks! link Look and learn! :) |
| August R. 15.04.2017 12:10 |
GB: Queen Archivist wrote: This is a song for which only basic ideas exist. It was never revisited, never finished. I went back to the Montreux Queen Studio Experience last month to update the 8 exhibit cases and thought it might be nice to offer some previously unseen handwritten lyrics. This example never even featured in the Complete Lyrics book we did a few years back, obviously, because it was never released. There are 4 or 5 new handwritten lyric sheets around the exhibition now, mostly for Hot Space. And a few more at the BME, if you're interested, in Liverpool. GBThanks for the info...So, there is a demo recording of this one lying around somewhere in the vaults?? A full band demo? Or just Freddie playing around with the idea? |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 16.04.2017 17:45 |
GB: Queen Archivist wrote: This is a song for which only basic ideas exist. It was never revisited, never finished. I went back to the Montreux Queen Studio Experience last month to update the 8 exhibit cases and thought it might be nice to offer some previously unseen handwritten lyrics. This example never even featured in the Complete Lyrics book we did a few years back, obviously, because it was never released. There are 4 or 5 new handwritten lyric sheets around the exhibition now, mostly for Hot Space. And a few more at the BME, if you're interested, in Liverpool. GBThanks for the info, Greg. Cheers, Ogre- |
| gooddrills 17.04.2017 02:13 |
Thanks GB, interesting stuff. There's so much we just don't know about. What I wouldn't give to have a day in the vaults...... I'll share this with anyone who cares to read it. When I was 18 I went through a rough patch in my life where I became quite unhappy to the point I didn't want to be here anymore. At that point I was a very passionate Queen fan and there was much talk of unheard material coming out one day. This was pre Made in Heaven. My desire to hear that material is the very thing that kept me going. I made it my reason to be because I wanted to hear it so badly. Nothing at that stage was more important to me. My love for this bands music probably saved my life. That may sound a little melodramatic but it's entirely true. Fast-forward several years and I'm still waiting, but at least I'm still around to wait. It's probably a good job they didn't release an anthology when I was 18, it may have been the last music I ever heard! Oh to be a teenager again......... |
| mike hunt 17.04.2017 20:20 |
gooddrills wrote: Thanks GB, interesting stuff. There's so much we just don't know about. What I wouldn't give to have a day in the vaults...... I'll share this with anyone who cares to read it. When I was 18 I went through a rough patch in my life where I became quite unhappy to the point I didn't want to be here anymore. At that point I was a very passionate Queen fan and there was much talk of unheard material coming out one day. This was pre Made in Heaven. My desire to hear that material is the very thing that kept me going. I made it my reason to be because I wanted to hear it so badly. Nothing at that stage was more important to me. My love for this bands music probably saved my life. That may sound a little melodramatic but it's entirely true. Fast-forward several years and I'm still waiting, but at least I'm still around to wait. It's probably a good job they didn't release an anthology when I was 18, it may have been the last music I ever heard! Oh to be a teenager again.........that sounds like my story, 91 to 95 was a rough patch for me as well. Innuendo and then Made In Heaven were albums that I related to at that point in my life. I still remember the excitement when I heard Made In Heaven was being released. Of course I was already a huge fan of the first 8 albums. |