| Kevinrm15 16.03.2017 13:20 |
This was posted on the official FM Facebook page 3 days ago. Sounds promising to me. Discuss... link |
| on my way up 16.03.2017 14:21 |
"Oh no, all this crap again?!" That's what FM would say :-) |
| Pim Derks 16.03.2017 15:17 |
Dear god, I hope not. Unless they had Brian and Roger re-do the rest of the album as well. |
| Pim Derks 16.03.2017 15:20 |
I can already see the press-release. Jim Beach, who is still heavily involved in the day-to-day business of running a business called Queen, says "This is what Freddie had always intended. In his heart he knew the songs would be better with the help of the band, but at that time he felt he had to prove that he could do it himself." Now, finally these recordings have been further improved upon by Brian and Roger, like they already did on 1995's Made In Heaven and I Was Born To Love You which became much-loved classics for Queen fans all around the world. |
| dysan 16.03.2017 15:40 |
A straight (lol) reissue of Mr Bad Guy would be most welcome. |
| Michael Scapp 16.03.2017 15:46 |
Mr Bad Guy has nothing musically redeemable in its original form. I hope this is just a bad rumor |
| Thistle 16.03.2017 16:27 |
MIH, IWBTLY, LMLTNT and LOMO are all good tracks (IMO. If they did an expanded version with proper - not half baked - artwork, notes and accompanying discs (with all available remixes, extended versions etc as well as demos that didn't make the box) I'd be happy. Barcelona got the re-issue, and my OCD completist nature thinks it's annoying to have that without the other albums in similar format. |
| MercurialFreddie 16.03.2017 18:09 |
Michael Scapp wrote: Mr Bad Guy has nothing musically redeemable in its original form. I hope this is just a bad rumorI think it's a bit too cruel to say that about the tracks. The album serves not only as a guide of what kind of humuor Freddie had but also what was popular in the 80's. Some of the tracks are very musical and with better production and involvement of others (Brian and Roger and maybe just for this one time, John) would really become hits. Compared to today's music, even some of the lyrics on FM's solo album are great. If you would take away synths, programmed drums and give John room to write some great bass lines then we could be looking at something good. The "slow' / Brian May's arrangement of Love Kills wasn't a bad re-mix although for someone who heard Love Kills in it's original form for too long it would be difficult to get accustomed to. At first it's hard to get used to the overall change of tempo but there is potential there. |
| cmi 17.03.2017 00:39 |
I'm sure there are original unused live instruments on multitracks which were replaced by synths and drum machines in the end as it was with half of Hot Space. So it will be great to make a proper remix of the album using these original instruments. I'll be glad if there will be a cleverly done reissue of the album. |
| The Fairy King 17.03.2017 05:12 |
A MIH-style approach will only be acceptable if Deaky joins in. So no, never gonna happen. |
| The Real Wizard 17.03.2017 09:37 |
There's no way they've redone the album. It's going to be a slightly louder (read: a step closer to brickwalled) "remaster" of the 1985 release. So let's get this straight: QPL are all about releasing product to make money, and they think Mercury's mediocre album from the 80s is more marketable than a boxed set of studio outtakes from Queen's prime, or a live album from 1977? There's no way this is record label obligation. The label is probably scratching their heads too. |
| on my way up 17.03.2017 10:17 |
The Real Wizard wrote: There's no way they've redone the album. It's going to be a slightly louder (read: a step closer to brickwalled) "remaster" of the 1985 release. So let's get this straight: QPL are all about releasing product to make money, and they think Mercury's mediocre album from the 80s is more marketable than a boxed set of studio outtakes from Queen's prime, or a live album from 1977? There's no way this is record label obligation. The label is probably scratching their heads too.I totally agree with all you are saying. Incredible that a band - with such a wealth of material in their archive (outtakes, live concerts etc.) - just doesn't care enough to release all this wonderful stuff. |
| on my way up 17.03.2017 10:22 |
Mr. Bad Guy was indeed a mediocre album. It's interesting though, it's a testimony of everything that was wrong in Freddie's love life/emotional life in the early eighties. I can't listen to it without feeling sorry for him.... And there's always that voice. There are so many truly incredible vocal moments! |
| PabloArg 17.03.2017 12:17 |
Mr. Bad Guy may be mediocre, but basically because it was absolutely bad produced. Melodically or lyrically, nothing to reproach. Just take a look at the songs from that album that were taken for a later arrangement: I was born to love you - Living on my own – Made in heaven - Love Kills (Wolf remix). They all improved, largely. I’m quite sure they could get the same results with Man made paradise, Foolin’ around, etc. |
| RMTaylorBest 17.03.2017 13:53 |
Those songs play so good, fresh, colorful. U are mediocre maybe |
| fr1986 17.03.2017 21:11 |
What about Earls Court 77? what about Fuck...g Houston 77? 2 never before properly released gigs that could make a lot of fans happy and they still re-release old stuff. Is there any hint to what we could expect to be launched on the Queen Side this year?? There are still several Live concerts that never had a proper treatment. |
| GonnaUseMyPrisoners 17.03.2017 22:35 |
No way. The material lacks... I loved Queen and yet could NOT get into this album no matter how I tried, even then (when it was "fashionable"). Leave it. |
| Cruella de Vil 18.03.2017 02:13 |
As most have said, leave it alone and deliver the live shows we all know are worthy of some form of release. However, I foresee the usual remastering hum-drum and special release on 180gr pink vinyl, with a bonus of exclusive Freddie shades and T-Shirt. The first 1,000 lucky buyers get a deluxe line of cocaine and a bottle of Stoly, Freddie's favorite vodka. |
| dysan 18.03.2017 03:40 |
Yes I'd take archival releases over a reissue (hold on, isn't a reissue of a 30 year old album 'archival'?) But Freddie's solo career needs tidying up. 2 albums - this and Barcelona, plus a best of / boxset collecting up all the non album cuts rather than all the crap currently out there. He deserves this. |
| Rick 18.03.2017 05:44 |
If this is true, they have lost the plot completely. 'Never make me boring'. HAHAHAHA What it really says is: what do you think? Time to milk the cashcow again? |
| brians wig 18.03.2017 06:50 |
As I posted on the official Qonline discussion site, this was originally planned for Freddie's 70th but instead they put out the Singles Collection. I think the original Barcelona was planned as well. However, if you bought the Singles Collection, you'll notice that some of the MBG tracks sound awesome and completely blow away all previous versions in my opinion. These are the new remasters. Personally I can't wait for it and do hope the original Barcelona album comes out remastered as well. |
| pittrek 18.03.2017 07:19 |
I think Mr. Bad Guy is a really shitty album. The funny thing is that the various remixes, including the extended versions are anything between "OK" and "pretty good", but the album versions suck. Now is there really enough public interest for a re-release? |
| Nitroboy 18.03.2017 07:36 |
pittrek wrote: Now is there really enough public interest for a re-release? Certainly much more interest than for more live shows, that's for sure. Because you know, fuck what the fans actually want |
| cmi 18.03.2017 07:50 |
Why everyone complains about the reissue of the only solo album HE did, which actually was never properly reissued as a standalone (deluxe) release...? Why everyone thinks that this reissue will destroy hopes about Queen archive release for this year...? Last year we received 'Messenger Of The Gods' from solo FM. And 'On Air' from Queen. This year we will probably receive 'Mr Bad Guy' deluxe from FM and something archival from Queen. Also solo BM Box Set in the pipeline. So who knows? Why all this moaning around? Just to keep the mark of never satisfied QZ-ers...? |
| MercurialFreddie 18.03.2017 08:17 |
Pittrek, Made in Heaven, I Was Born To Love You, Your Kind of Lover, Mr Bad Guy, There Must Be More To Life Than This, Living On My Own, My Love is Dangerous and Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow can be called anything other than being shitty. Sure, the album suffers heavily from lack of proper production and original acoustic instruments but if given more time and polishing it could bring out huge potential which is clearly present within these tracks. Freddie clearly overestimated his cards when he thought that he and Mack could do this whole album alone. The story about Freddie stopping the playthrough of the final mixes after hearing half of the album and putting Montserrat on speakers instead clearly shows what he thought about the state of the album and how much work it still needed. |
| brians wig 18.03.2017 09:09 |
pittrek wrote: I think Mr. Bad Guy is a really shitty album. The funny thing is that the various remixes, including the extended versions are anything between "OK" and "pretty good", but the album versions suck. Now is there really enough public interest for a re-release?Seriously? Sure, I like the original extended mixes and remixes, but all the ones that came out after Freddie died are utter shite. I like the album. |
| IanR 18.03.2017 11:45 |
Utter shite? This pisses all over the original version, IMHO: link |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2017 13:48 |
cmi wrote: Why all this moaning around?Because never once in the history of humanity has anyone (even under the influence of quaaludes) uttered the words "I wish they'd release Mr Bad Guy again." Especially since the Freddie box set already happened over 15 years ago. Even if Brian and Roger redid the rest of the songs and they sounded a thousand times better than the originals, it still wouldn't remotely compare to a half hour of raw studio outtakes from 1974. But it's pretty clear that they don't want anyone hearing that stuff. They want their creative peak to be heard as it was meant to be heard - the final product. So sure, bring on another mediocre 80s re-release. |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2017 13:48 |
IanR wrote: Utter shite? This pisses all over the original version, IMHO: linkAgreed. |
| pittrek 18.03.2017 14:10 |
The Jeff Lord Alge remix of My Life Is Dangerous may be my favourite Queen-related remix ever (this and the "Rock mix" of Love Kills) |
| cmsdrums 18.03.2017 14:17 |
But don't worry about music, Brian is now tweeting to ask what is our favourite Queen Monopoly piece......I've responded accordingly... :-/ |
| brians wig 18.03.2017 14:36 |
Bloody Monopoly. I love the Robot, but seriously, why didn't they have little figures of the band members - or was that too bloody obvious? |
| Saint Jiub 18.03.2017 16:41 |
cmsdrums wrote: But don't worry about music, Brian is now tweeting to ask what is our favourite Queen Monopoly piece......I've responded accordingly... :-/ ... My favorite piece is the wheelbarrow, which unfortunately was discontinued yesterday by Hasbro. I am devastated, but I rest comfortably knowing that QPL, in their illustrious wisdom, will perform miracles with Hyde Park when they employ the maestros that enhanced The Beatles Hollywood Bowl. ;( |
| dysan 19.03.2017 02:56 |
Come now... if Brian and Roger 'redid' the music, it would be called revisionism. Queenifying something that was not meant to be Queen isn't cool. I prefer the sound of MBG to something like MIH which collapses under it's own weight of trying too hard. If the subjective reasoning that something should not be reissued because 'it is shit' came to pass, we wouldn't have a single record on any shelve in any shop. |
| musicland munich 19.03.2017 08:29 |
cmsdrums wrote: But don't worry about music, Brian is now tweeting to ask what is our favourite Queen Monopoly piece......I've responded accordingly... :-/Yes, it's a great display of what's wrong with the band and their ideas nowadays :( |
| dysan 19.03.2017 11:27 |
*Maynopoly |
| cmsdrums 19.03.2017 12:30 |
I've always mocked Kiss for their endless taking the piss on the merchandising front to make up for the limited quality of their musical output......Queen have the recorded legacy not to have to scrape the barrel' but the Innuendo teapots, AKOM phone cases, Live at the Rainbow tote bags, Queen vodka, beer etc etc are really testing my commitment to the band. Remember Kiss' coffin? (and I don't mean a gimmick containing CDs but a genuine funeral casket)... How long before we get a Queen branded 'Who Wants To Live Forever?' line of those?!! |
| dysan 19.03.2017 16:06 |
I'm happy to give Queen Monopoly a go. I'd like to see a Queen Trivial Pursuit more though. I'd love that. |
| Saint Jiub 19.03.2017 17:41 |
Trivial Pursuit might be fun,but might also be frustrating for me ... ... given that my Queen knowlege and enthusiasm has deteriorated and stagnated over the last 10 years ... ... similarly to how Queen releases had predominantly continued to stagnate into recycled re-releases. Queen is no longer my #1 obsession, and has been supplanted by computer RPG gaming and other old music. |
| matt z 19.03.2017 19:13 |
Panchgani wrote: Trivial Pursuit might be fun,but might also be frustrating for me ... ... given that my Queen knowlege and enthusiasm has deteriorated and stagnated over the last 10 years ... ... similarly to how Queen releases had predominantly continued to stagnate into recycled re-releases. Queen is no longer my #1 obsession, and has been supplanted by computer RPG gaming and other old music.I've taken up tracking down original issues of magazines containing work by Robert Bloch. it's good and bad. Queen hadn't been a huge concern for a while now. the last great bits of enthusiasm were the emergence of a quality version of Bowie on COOL CAT and the FM/MJJ "gold mix" of TMBMTLTT I honestly expected I'd have shat myself if they ever announced a tour. but that hasn't been the case |
| IanR 20.03.2017 01:50 |
matt z wrote: I honestly expected I'd have shat myself if they ever announced a tour. but that hasn't been the caseNeed more roughage, perhaps? |
| matt z 20.03.2017 01:57 |
haha ... no. I simply meant I would have found it UNBELIEVABLE. Now it's believable, and though it ain't half bad. it's not enough Brian and Roger to be like "wow, QUEEN". It's still a good effort. Sorta. Still think they should've done that one off with the best of the best (**well rehearsed this time: cause the tribute concert was precisely that in essence) the vh1 legends show that was apparently called off. I'll give him this; Lambert has gotten better at the job. I still feel a little repulsed by him donning the crown at the end of shows. make your own shtick. Freddie was beyond him |
| wOvANz 22.03.2017 14:43 |
I've always dreamed of Queen's versions of MBG tracks, for the original mix really sucks, also if they put to "side B" some demos etc. this might be a worthwhile "reissue" But I don't believe they'll do so. They should've done it long ago, when they were pretty young and able to arrange some interesting stuff |
| dysan 23.03.2017 01:18 |
Why does the mix suck? Are you confusing it with the 'production'? Why would Queen 'Queenify' something that was not meant for Queen? |
| ITSM 08.05.2017 14:58 |
I hope for a re-re-re-release, so it will be on Spotify. |
| matt z 10.05.2017 00:03 |
dysan wrote: Why does the mix suck? Are you confusing it with the 'production'? Why would Queen 'Queenify' something that was not meant for Queen?Coming from someone who's never heard the original on vinyl (*c'mon it WAS the 80's and DDD digital transfers even ADD were sketchy at best) But. ... there's very little dynamic range expressed in the mix. I can't remember even BOTHERING to play the remastered version on my CD player back in the day 2001? Its just not a solid album. My whole focus was BARCELONA and the cheap 3 tracks given me (*in THE USA) Luckily I'd pirated the rest within a month. If ever there was a "QUEEN" release worthy of the expense it was the FM SOLO COLLECTION. NOT the "Queen Orb" or "Crown Jewels" (that was EMBARRASSINGLY BAD) nor was it Wembley with the free port-a-potty smell and balloons. The original mix is weak and you may be right. If may come down to the initial production. HOWEVER, you could potentially take those rough files and make a better mix. Even the guitar all sounded "middy" on something like "let's turn it on" A song where the gimmicks could've made a sonic atmosphere necessary (*slamming doors n what not) |
| dudeofqueen 11.05.2017 10:17 |
matt z re: >The original mix is weak and you may be right. If may come down to the initial production. HOWEVER, you could potentially take those rough files and make a better mix. A turd can only be polished until you get a very shiny turd. After that.............? |
| cmsdrums 11.05.2017 13:21 |
dudeofqueen wrote: matt z re: >The original mix is weak and you may be right. If may come down to the initial production. HOWEVER, you could potentially take those rough files and make a better mix. A turd can only be polished until you get a very shiny turd. After that.............?You can wrap a turd in silver foil but it doesn't make it a chocolate!! |
| Mark_Glasgow 17.05.2017 07:01 |
IMO Mr Bad Guy is by far the best solo release by a band member and retained some of the fun of Queen albums, something sorely lacking in the releases from Roger and Brian. Not sure why it gets so much hate. |
| dudeofqueen 17.05.2017 09:18 |
mark_Glasgow, re: >Not sure why it gets so much hate. Have you heard it? It's atrocious. A prime example of a rock musician given licence to do what he likes with his immense talent and completely buggering it up. File away with Keith Moon's "Two Sides Of The Moon" although that was only EVER going to be frivolous whereas Freddie took this entirely seriously until the point he realised that even his yes-men were saying "No"........ |
| dysan 17.05.2017 10:15 |
How did he take it seriously? |
| dudeofqueen 17.05.2017 10:48 |
dysan, re: >How did he take it seriously? By approaching a record company to fund it. By working on it for two (!) years and using lyrical themes that were extremely personal to him that would not have fitted into Queen's material. |
| Mark_Glasgow 17.05.2017 15:26 |
Lol @ took it too seriously, your question back to you...have you listened to it, and seen the videos for the singles....his sense of humour is in full flow. I know a lot of Queen fans get a bug in their ass about this and Hot Space because they were different, but the 70s were over and it was time to move on. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 17.05.2017 22:39 |
^^^ Certainly a sense of humour shown for sure, but having a sense of humour can't save shit songs and production, and most of MBG was hideous despite the decade it was released, the tunes on this wouldn't get a look on Queen's 70s albums they were so bad. |
| dysan 18.05.2017 01:15 |
@Dude Then we'll agree to disagree. Sure it's not the BEST album, but my argument is about the reasons given for why it's the worst. I don't think him seeking financing for it from a record label justifies that he had no sense of humour. Monty Python albums were funded by a record label. |
| Mark_Glasgow 18.05.2017 01:57 |
@Sheer Brass Neck I think most of the songs are good enough to be on any Queen album in the 80s, agree not the 70s but you could say that for most of the stuff they released in the 80s as a group. Its not a rock album, and I think thats what upsets most people, its not even a Queen album, so why compare them? Im not an expert on production and mix, but a good song is a good song. His voice sounded great and the fact that they used some of the songs on Queens last album says it all really. |
| Thistle 18.05.2017 10:51 |
I like MBG. In fact, it has a lot of sentimental value and there ARE some really good songs on there. Okay, there's also a few that aren't what you'd maybe call "Freddie's standard", but overall I don't get the hate for it. I remember back in the day hunting high and low for a copy of it. That was before eBay and the like were a big deal, and record stores simply just couldn't get a hold of it. The CD used to change hands for £100+ then lol. |
| musicland munich 18.05.2017 11:22 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: . I remember back in the day hunting high and low for a copy of it. That was before eBay and the like were a big deal, and record stores simply just couldn't get a hold of it. The CD used to change hands for £100+ then lol.Woolworth sold them for around 5 Pounds as far as I recall. There is an advertising poster somewhere online. |
| mike hunt 19.05.2017 09:28 |
The problem with MBG wasn't the songs, it was the direction he took with those songs. Brian always held freddie's writing in higher regard than the others. An example was hearing him talk about Love of My life or My Fairy King, Made In Heaven, then when he talks about Rogers Love with my Car he says its a nice little song from Roger. Total higher respect when talking about a freddie song. I compare Bad Guy with a great Boxer (i'm a big boxing fan) take the greatest fighter, Champion in the world, say Mike Tyson in the 80's, he had the greatest trainers, took him to the top, then when Tyson becomes champ, he's rich and famous and fires all the trainers that got him there. He then hires his friends and yes men too train him. He gets knocked out a few fights later and was never the same. I believe if freddie hired musicians on the same level as himself It would have been a much better album. |
| dysan 20.05.2017 01:52 |
That's a fair point, but likewise it is why it is a Freddie Solo album. Arguably the 70s Straker / Mercury albums are pretty close to how a Freddie solo album in the 70s would've sounded - essentially like Queen. Freddie solo in the mid 80s sounded like MBG. Pretty much midway between Hot Space and The Works. IE a rough approximation of what a Queen album in 1985 would've sounded like. Especially considering that Mack and Mandel featured on it. |
| mike hunt 20.05.2017 16:11 |
Hot Space part 2, The Works and Magic were better than Bad Guy and Hot Space, but they wern't ANATO or SHA either. I also think If freddie decided not too go through with a solo album, Magic would have been much better. A lot of his ideas were taken by his solo album. |
| Thistle 20.05.2017 17:37 |
musicland munich wrote:Not that far back in the day lol. I was only 4 when it was released! I'm talking maybe '98 when I started heavily collecting Queen/related stuff. It was long deleted by then, and it seemed that no record shops ever had a 2nd hand copy (either vinyl or CD). When I finally got a copy of it, and paid stupid money, they decided to re-release it :pThistleboy1980 wrote: . I remember back in the day hunting high and low for a copy of it. That was before eBay and the like were a big deal, and record stores simply just couldn't get a hold of it. The CD used to change hands for £100+ then lol.Woolworth sold them for around 5 Pounds as far as I recall. There is an advertising poster somewhere online. |
| NickGreen 21.05.2017 16:26 |
Mike Moran spoke of the Barcelona re-release with the orchestra and he hated it and refused to be involved, he said it wasn't what Freddie wanted or would have wanted, I think the same here. |
| mike hunt 21.05.2017 21:52 |
The original Bracelona was much better. I bet it was one of freddie's favorites. |
| dudeofqueen 22.05.2017 08:40 |
Yep. I was really looking forward to the re-issue; the synth'd orchestra never sounded quite right to me. But, on reflection, it sounds infinitely better than the orchestra that's been convened for the new version. Something's being held back or the mastering is so flat that all the dynamics have been taken out of the performance. Maybe it should have just been done for the properly operatic numbers and the cross-over tracks could have been left well alone? |
| mike hunt 22.05.2017 20:09 |
If Mercury decided on a proper orchestra from the beginning it would of turned out better than the reissue version. I wonder why Mercury/Moran decided not too go in that direction. Still one of my favorite albums he did. |
| cmsdrums 23.05.2017 02:26 |
mike hunt wrote: If Mercury decided on a proper orchestra from the beginning it would of turned out better than the reissue version. I wonder why Mercury/Moran decided not too go in that direction. Still one of my favorite albums he did.Mercury is quoted as having said previously that they actively decided not to use a real orchestra but stick with the synths so that they could control every note, timbre, place in the mix etc..., so that they could get the result they wanted. I'm glad they did as I much prefer the original to rehashed one, which in places is a sloppy and lazy approximation. The brilliance of the synth orchestra for 1987 is pretty staggering - a real labour of love. Apparently this inspired Axl Rose to work out all the orchestra parts for November Rain on snyth instead of have a real orchestra too. |
| mike hunt 23.05.2017 21:09 |
I didn't know axl was influenced by Barcelona. |
| people on streets 27.05.2017 17:09 |
Love the Mr. Bad Guy album. Hopefully a vinyl release will be in the pipeline. (color suggestions for the limited edition first run on colored vinyl : lime green / red / transparent vinyl) |
| people on streets 27.05.2017 17:11 |
Mark_Glasgow wrote: IMO Mr Bad Guy is by far the best solo release by a band member and retained some of the fun of Queen albums, something sorely lacking in the releases from Roger and Brian. Not sure why it gets so much hate.I agree. I love Hot Space too btw. Those 2 LPs always put a big smile on my face. Queen II is still my all time fav. though. |
| RafaelS 17.06.2017 21:28 |
NOidea wrote: Mike Moran spoke of the Barcelona re-release with the orchestra and he hated it and refused to be involved, he said it wasn't what Freddie wanted or would have wanted, I think the same here.It's true that it sounds bad. Also, I hope they're will not be a reissue of Mr. Bad Guy. Always the same crap that gets a rerelease... |
| Invisible Woman 21.06.2017 03:37 |
I like Mr.Bad Guy album very much,especially I Was Born To Love You,Man Made Paradise and Love Kills. |
| cmi 21.06.2017 13:54 |
Yeah , 'Love Kills' is probably the bestest song on 'Mr Bad Guy' album... :P |
| ggo1 21.06.2017 14:50 |
MBG has some reasonable songs on it but overall it lacks quality. I love the title track. Overblown bluster at its finest, could have graced any queen album and made it better But there is a fair bit of dross on there too. Patchy is probably how I'd refer to it. |
| popy 21.06.2017 19:08 |
RafaelS wrote:NOidea wrote: Mike Moran spoke of the Barcelona re-release with the orchestra and he hated it and refused to be involved, he said it wasn't what Freddie wanted or would have wanted, I think the same here.It's true that it sounds bad. Also, I hope they're will not be a reissue of Mr. Bad Guy. Always the same crap that gets a rerelease... NOidea, not really what the man himself says here in this video at 40:43. Where did he say he hated it? |
| Pingfah 22.06.2017 09:09 |
An album of good songs arranged horribly. |
| Day dop 27.07.2017 22:58 |
I'd like to hear Mr Bad Guy redone - guitar / bass/ drums. |