andres_clip 17.01.2017 16:01 |
2017 It's time we knew and saw the truth that Freddie wanted us to see and hear. So let's make this year special, if there's any truth behind this. We want to fucking know now. I read some where that Doro production was involved in the movies that Freddie recorded during he's final time. link |
MercurialFreddie 17.01.2017 16:18 |
Would you really like to see Freddie in that state ? As some posters on this forum, wiser than me, said many times, if these videos were really recorded, they were unreleased and kept in the archives/destroyed for a reason. We already know how devastating effects can have this terrible disease on one's body. Seeing Freddie so frail, in even worse state than on the TATDOOL video shoot, would devastate anyone who has at least a bit of love for him. |
andres_clip 17.01.2017 16:40 |
Not at all my friend. I think it was he's story he wanted to tell,no glamour just the truth. I would very much listen and see to what private Freddie would say and do though it would be hard. |
andres_clip 17.01.2017 16:43 |
Queen production didn't want to taint the Queen machine with the truth, therfore it's not yet released or maybe destroyed. |
Jake12 17.01.2017 17:21 |
As much as I love Freddie I would never want to see him in that state.. suffering. Watching a man die. But would I watch it.. maybe idk. But still it's just weird. Just watching Days Of Our Lives outtakes makes me feel sad and it sucks watching this amazing artist suffer during his work. Like I said would I watch it if it was released idk probably. Would I like it to be released? No! |
Cruella de Vil 17.01.2017 18:47 |
In the midst of his pain and obvious need for privacy, I cannot see Freddie making some sort of personal manifesto to be broadcast post mortum. What he did wish to leave us was his (and the band's) music and the odd video. In these we see and hear his strength, wit, and musical talent. |
IanR 17.01.2017 18:54 |
This makes those rumours about 'Don't Try So Hard' suddenly seem more believable. |
The Real Wizard 18.01.2017 01:30 |
More tabloid bullshit. We can be almost completely certain that there is no footage of Freddie of any kind after May 1991. This morbid curiosity really needs to come to a grinding halt. He left us what he wanted us to see, end of. |
Togg 18.01.2017 02:59 |
Daily Mail fodder, bollocks |
Costa86 18.01.2017 04:48 |
There's nothing after TATDOOL. Even that was almost too much. The colour behind the scenes footage was very sad and showed the suffering the poor man had to endure. BTW a lot of what was printed in the tabloids after he died, we now know for certain was not factual. |
andres_clip 18.01.2017 08:08 |
The Real Wizard wrote: More tabloid bullshit. We can be almost completely certain that there is no footage of Freddie of any kind after May 1991. This morbid curiosity really needs to come to a grinding halt. He left us what he wanted us to see, end of.I respect your comments and knowledge here but morbid is the wrong word. Truth, I don't trust Brian or Jim, they would do anything to keep the perfect image of this. Brian in that interview in Days of our lives docu, when he say something about protecting Freddie and guess we lied just seems so fake. |
andres_clip 18.01.2017 08:10 |
Who ever said that the videos are from this or that time frame, he had Aids for some years u know... |
Costa86 18.01.2017 08:36 |
Point is how weak and sick he looked, not that he had AIDS. You can have terminal cancer slowly growing in your body and yet still look fit as a fiddle. |
The Real Wizard 18.01.2017 10:10 |
andres_clip wrote: Brian in that interview in Days of our lives docu, when he say something about protecting Freddie and guess we lied just seems so fake.Well, it isn't. Considering the stigma against gay people at the time, the media would've been 10x slimier than they were while just thinking he *might* have AIDS. So they had to keep it quiet. In fact, they could've lied forever, but Mercury decided to tell the truth the day before he died. That concert in 1992 was a huge deal in educating the public about AIDS and safe sex. What's your theory? |
Silversaw 18.01.2017 11:08 |
The idea of some magic AIDS film popping up is a bit ridiculous to me. Sure, we've seen snippets of Freddie behind closed door - personal parties, gatherings, etc. We also know how sick this poor man was and how terribly he suffered. Let's not forget that Fred didn't even tell those closest to him for some time. The Innuendo era videos showed Freddie either disguised or absent or hidden in blacks and whites. Fred wanted to say "I love you" and he did. Knowing that Freddie was extremely against most interviews, do you really think he wanted to sit in front of a camera for anyone during his illness? The way the entire thing was hidden from the Press pretty much proves to me that this is something Freddie would have never done...and if he did, it was certainly never meant for the public to see. TATDOOL, and the behind the scenes footage are hard enough to watch. Who the hell would want to see a video from July or August when Freddie was really ill?? I understand the morbid fascination behind seeing celebrities "out of their element", but what good is it going to do the Queen community to watch a man struggling to keep his shit together in the face of his own mortality? |
andres_clip 18.01.2017 12:47 |
The Real Wizard wrote:C mon dude, are u hired by Brian, Lol wink wink. Seriously just as u point out the fact that there were a lot of stigma around Aids. Simple reason to lie, to keep money flowing into the machine.... Reason enough for many people, there is a reason why Freddie and Bri always was on each other. Now Bri can do what and tell the version he want people to know.andres_clip wrote: Brian in that interview in Days of our lives docu, when he say something about protecting Freddie and guess we lied just seems so fake.Well, it isn't. Considering the stigma against gay people at the time, the media would've been 10x slimier than they were while just thinking he *might* have AIDS. So they had to keep it quiet. In fact, they could've lied forever, but Mercury decided to tell the truth the day before he died. That concert in 1992 was a huge deal in educating the public about AIDS and safe sex. What's your theory? |
andres_clip 18.01.2017 12:51 |
Morbid this morbid that, what's wrong with u people. Maybe the reason for lacking interviews is that he always was to honest about everything or he couldn't say what he felt. |
Fireplace 18.01.2017 19:30 |
Alright, no more food for this one. |
musicland munich 19.01.2017 00:59 |
Seriously...this thread brings me a fantastic idea I will work on in the near future. No, not too morbid - don't be afraid.. If it works out - Fine ! If not, it was worth a try :) |
andres_clip 19.01.2017 02:14 |
musicland munich wrote: Seriously...this thread brings me a fantastic idea I will work on in the near future. No, not too morbid - don't be afraid.. If it works out - Fine ! If not, it was worth a try :)I know you are a serious fan so I hope you are that now or else take a flight to Caracas or something |
andres_clip 19.01.2017 02:16 |
Fireplace wrote: Alright, no more food for this one.Its a god damn buffé over here mister.... |
Kuijpy 19.01.2017 07:37 |
Theres no more footage after May 1991, there are only a few pictures (2 walking with his bluejacket), (1 only a shirt with short sleeves) and 1 with his bodyguard with his Yellow Headlongvideo shirt on.... |
Kuijpy 19.01.2017 07:41 |
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Kuijpy 19.01.2017 07:41 |
I hope you are happy now |
Kuijpy 19.01.2017 07:41 |
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The Real Wizard 19.01.2017 10:08 |
Silversaw wrote: Knowing that Freddie was extremely against most interviews, do you really think he wanted to sit in front of a camera for anyone during his illness? I understand the morbid fascination behind seeing celebrities "out of their element", but what good is it going to do the Queen community to watch a man struggling to keep his shit together in the face of his own mortality?^ bang on. In addition to that - if he told about five people until the day before his death, the DoRo guys certainly were not two of them. |
andres_clip 19.01.2017 23:34 |
The Real Wizard wrote:My God u must be right because everyone around him was blind. Starting to loose cred Oh wizard from?Silversaw wrote: Knowing that Freddie was extremely against most interviews, do you really think he wanted to sit in front of a camera for anyone during his illness? I understand the morbid fascination behind seeing celebrities "out of their element", but what good is it going to do the Queen community to watch a man struggling to keep his shit together in the face of his own mortality?^ bang on. In addition to that - if he told about five people until the day before his death, the DoRo guys certainly were not two of them. |
Kuijpy 20.01.2017 00:43 |
Can we block this fucker? He believes in his own theory that Freddie is filmed in November 1991 when he was dying... |
Costa86 20.01.2017 03:38 |
If we blocked everyone who didn't agree with us, we'd be Donald Trump. God forbid he ever becomes president of America. Oh, wait... |
Togg 20.01.2017 06:19 |
Freddie didn't even like talking about his music in interviews, do you seriously think he would have done an interview about AIDs, I just don't understand why anyone would think he would, read Pheobie's book, or read almost anything about him and you'll see he hated interviews and wasn't overly keen on being public about any aspect of his life, and certainly not AIDS. This is just Daily Mail style crap, it's utter rubbish, The band didnt even know until it was unavoidable, so he's not likely to go rush off and speak on camera |
Vocal harmony 20.01.2017 10:47 |
^^^^ this is true. How anyone can believe they are in a position to demand anything from an artist or their associates is laughable really. Queen Productions are not a governmental department miss using public funds. Also how can you demand to see something when you have no real proof of it's existence. I want Earls Court and Hammersmith 79 to be released. I think I shall write a strongly worded letter to Jim Beach demanding their release. . . . Well at least we know they're real and in the vaults ?? |
mike hunt 20.01.2017 21:38 |
Costa86 wrote: If we blocked everyone who didn't agree with us, we'd be Donald Trump. God forbid he ever becomes president of America. Oh, wait...Another liberal crybaby! Are you one of those no job liberals who attack Cops and burn down cities in a so called protest? I'll tell you this, I was Independent until this election. Now I see democrats for what they truly are, crybabies and vicious animals. I see no trump supporters acting like animals. Attacking police and so on" but trump supporters are the racists? Lol |
andres_clip 21.01.2017 00:18 |
Kuijpy wrote: Can we block this fucker? He believes in his own theory that Freddie is filmed in November 1991 when he was dying...Why I'm a fucker? Been a member since 2004 u cunt. And where did I say anything about the video coming from 1991 or any other year because I don't know if there are any video, but if there is I STILL WANT TO HERE AND SEE WHAT GREAT KING FREDDIE HAD TO SAY. YOU PEOPLE LOST TOUCH WITH LIFE,FUCKING CRY BABIES. OH I COULDN'T SEE HIM IN THIS STATE BLABLABLA. |
andres_clip 21.01.2017 00:22 |
Togg wrote: Freddie didn't even like talking about his music in interviews, do you seriously think he would have done an interview about AIDs, I just don't understand why anyone would think he would, read Pheobie's book, or read almost anything about him and you'll see he hated interviews and wasn't overly keen on being public about any aspect of his life, and certainly not AIDS. This is just Daily Mail style crap, it's utter rubbish, The band didnt even know until it was unavoidable, so he's not likely to go rush off and speak on cameraWhen a person is dying anything you think you know about this person will change. Freddie wasn't a coward like you people, you people couldn't even entertain a karaoke bar in Japan on a Friday night LOL |
andres_clip 21.01.2017 00:23 |
Vocal harmony wrote: ^^^^ this is true. How anyone can believe they are in a position to demand anything from an artist or their associates is laughable really. Queen Productions are not a governmental department miss using public funds. Also how can you demand to see something when you have no real proof of it's existence. I want Earls Court and Hammersmith 79 to be released. I think I shall write a strongly worded letter to Jim Beach demanding their release. . . . Well at least we know they're real and in the vaults ??Then you should do that then, good for you. |
andres_clip 21.01.2017 00:29 |
BTW WHEN DID I SAY HE TALKED TO THE PRESS HAHAHA. IMAGINE THIS GARDEN LODGE 19WHATEVER FREDDIE TIRED OF NONSENSE IN THE TABLOIDS IN WHATEVER ROOM U LIKE A CAMERA AND WHOEVER OF HE'S FRIEND JUST SITTING THERE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. I CAN. HE MAYBE SAID JIM RELEASE IT WHEN IM GONE, ABSOLUTELY FREDDIE I WILL. SO HE THOUGHT |
dysan 21.01.2017 02:06 |
How did you get coolest cat under your name? I want it! |
andres_clip 21.01.2017 02:26 |
dysan wrote: How did you get coolest cat under your name? I want it!Shit a forgot maybe in profile menu,but u can't have that hehe |
Holly2003 21.01.2017 12:15 |
"secret Aids movies" sounds like your porn stash. |
The Real Wizard 22.01.2017 01:23 |
andres_clip wrote: My God u must be right because everyone around him was blind. Starting to loose cred Oh wizard from?Me lose cred, to whom exactly? And because I'm not buying your bullshit conspiracy theories for which you have no evidence? The dunning-kruger effect is in full force here. Good luck with that. |
The Real Wizard 22.01.2017 01:27 |
mike hunt wrote: Another liberal crybaby! Are you one of those no job liberals who attack Cops and burn down cities in a so called protest? I'll tell you this, I was Independent until this election. Now I see democrats for what they truly are, crybabies and vicious animals. I see no trump supporters acting like animals. Attacking police and so on" but trump supporters are the racists? LolSure, but they're upset for legitimate reasons. Republicans are far worse for not being the least bit concerned about 20 million people losing their health care, climate change being erased from the white house website, and the reality of a narcissistic sociopath having the nuclear codes. And perhaps you missed the news about hate crimes on visible minorities by Trump supporters in the 24 hours after him being elected. Furthermore - how do you know the person you're responding to is a "liberal"? Is that your blanket term for everyone who doesn't support the Republican party? This guy is from Europe, where most countries have at least a dozen political parties, and therefore people aren't as easily classified in binary terms. But of course you knew that and considered that before posting, because American conservatives are the world standard for intellect and thoughtfulness in dialogue. |
Oscar J 22.01.2017 04:03 |
Thank you for your relentless voice of sensibility, Wizard. |
andres_clip 22.01.2017 11:51 |
Holly2003 wrote: "secret Aids movies" sounds like your porn stash.No I deleted your family video |
andres_clip 22.01.2017 11:52 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Oh Wizard stick to things you know like Queen for example...mike hunt wrote: Another liberal crybaby! Are you one of those no job liberals who attack Cops and burn down cities in a so called protest? I'll tell you this, I was Independent until this election. Now I see democrats for what they truly are, crybabies and vicious animals. I see no trump supporters acting like animals. Attacking police and so on" but trump supporters are the racists? LolSure, but they're upset for legitimate reasons. Republicans are far worse for not being the least bit concerned about 20 million people losing their health care, climate change being erased from the white house website, and the reality of a narcissistic sociopath having the nuclear codes. And perhaps you missed the news about hate crimes on visible minorities by Trump supporters in the 24 hours after him being elected. Furthermore - how do you know the person you're responding to is a "liberal"? Is that your blanket term for everyone who doesn't support the Republican party? This guy is from Europe, where most countries have at least a dozen political parties, and therefore people aren't as easily classified in binary terms. But of course you knew that and considered that before posting, because American conservatives are the world standard for intellect and thoughtfulness in dialogue. |
The Real Wizard 22.01.2017 13:21 |
Oscar J wrote: Thank you for your relentless voice of sensibility, Wizard.I do my best. Some days it feels like a losing battle, especially now in the post-Trump world where people with ~85 IQs have suddenly come out of the woodwork. I guess it's tough to accept that most people really aren't all that bright. |
The Real Wizard 22.01.2017 13:23 |
andres_clip wrote:Is that your official rebuke - just attacking someone instead of providing a thoughtful counter-argument?The Real Wizard wrote:Oh Wizard stick to things you know like Queen for example...mike hunt wrote: Another liberal crybaby! Are you one of those no job liberals who attack Cops and burn down cities in a so called protest? I'll tell you this, I was Independent until this election. Now I see democrats for what they truly are, crybabies and vicious animals. I see no trump supporters acting like animals. Attacking police and so on" but trump supporters are the racists? LolSure, but they're upset for legitimate reasons. Republicans are far worse for not being the least bit concerned about 20 million people losing their health care, climate change being erased from the white house website, and the reality of a narcissistic sociopath having the nuclear codes. And perhaps you missed the news about hate crimes on visible minorities by Trump supporters in the 24 hours after him being elected. Furthermore - how do you know the person you're responding to is a "liberal"? Is that your blanket term for everyone who doesn't support the Republican party? This guy is from Europe, where most countries have at least a dozen political parties, and therefore people aren't as easily classified in binary terms. But of course you knew that and considered that before posting, because American conservatives are the world standard for intellect and thoughtfulness in dialogue. |
mike hunt 22.01.2017 14:37 |
Let the guy be president for at least a year before you make A Judgement about him. That's all I'm saying. How is clinton a better choice? Trump a womanizer? And Clintons husband isn't? She's still with him for political reasons. How is that sending a good example to young women? Not saying Trumps a saint by the way, Just stating The Clintons are even worse. |
mike hunt 22.01.2017 14:37 |
Let the guy be president for at least a year before you make A Judgement about him. That's all I'm saying. How is clinton a better choice? Trump a womanizer? And Clintons husband isn't? She's still with him for political reasons. How is that sending a good example to young women? Not saying Trumps a saint by the way, Just stating The Clintons are even worse. |
mike hunt 22.01.2017 14:37 |
Let the guy be president for at least a year before you make A Judgement about him. That's all I'm saying. How is clinton a better choice? Trump a womanizer? And Clintons husband isn't? She's still with him for political reasons. How is that sending a good example to young women? Not saying Trumps a saint by the way, Just stating The Clintons are even worse. |
mike hunt 22.01.2017 14:37 |
Let the guy be president for at least a year before you make A Judgement about him. That's all I'm saying. How is clinton a better choice? Trump a womanizer? And Clintons husband isn't? She's still with him for political reasons. How is that sending a good example to young women? Not saying Trumps a saint by the way, Just stating The Clintons are even worse. |
mike hunt 22.01.2017 14:46 |
The Real Wizard wrote:With all due respect, You are in denial my friend! I did say was Independent, so let's not try and twist this around. Trump haters are burning Cars, attacking cops and even had 3 Black people abusing a disabled person Just because he was white, burning the poor guy, screaming We hate trump! Or did you miss all that? Stick to music my man!mike hunt wrote: Another liberal crybaby! Are you one of those no job liberals who attack Cops and burn down cities in a so called protest? I'll tell you this, I was Independent until this election. Now I see democrats for what they truly are, crybabies and vicious animals. I see no trump supporters acting like animals. Attacking police and so on" but trump supporters are the racists? LolSure, but they're upset for legitimate reasons. Republicans are far worse for not being the least bit concerned about 20 million people losing their health care, climate change being erased from the white house website, and the reality of a narcissistic sociopath having the nuclear codes. And perhaps you missed the news about hate crimes on visible minorities by Trump supporters in the 24 hours after him being elected. Furthermore - how do you know the person you're responding to is a "liberal"? Is that your blanket term for everyone who doesn't support the Republican party? This guy is from Europe, where most countries have at least a dozen political parties, and therefore people aren't as easily classified in binary terms. But of course you knew that and considered that before posting, because American conservatives are the world standard for intellect and thoughtfulness in dialogue. |
Oscar J 22.01.2017 18:37 |
Your deductive reasoning (or rather lack thereof) and your resorting to ad hominems, straw-men and anecdotal evidence certainly don't do you any favours. Just a tip. |
Thistle 22.01.2017 18:39 |
Andres, with all due respect, you said "We want to know now". Who's "we"? Are you speaking for us all? If so, you can't then complain when people tell you they don't want to see this stuff, should it exist (I doubt it does). That's the "we" talking back at you, giving their opinions. Calling them crybabies for having an opinion is absolutely senseless. For what it's worth, there will be a market for this (should the videos exist). But it's not for me. I'm content with what Freddie left us in terms of his music, with the final releases a valiant effort to give us one last thing. The messages, his feelings etc towards the end are there for us all to hear. The delicate, intimate thoughts and the way he dealt with mortality etc are all there, in the music - as, indeed, are his life stories in earlier music. Do we need to see him deteriorate? No. I doubt he made such videos, as he was a private person as we all know. If there ARE videos, it's for friends and family - not the morbidly curious. |
mike hunt 22.01.2017 19:36 |
We.did see him Deteriorate just by watching his last videos from 89 to 91. No need to see these so called movies. Freddie will always have my repect for the way he handled those last couple of years. Plenty of people would of went in hiding or commit suicide. Instead he continued making music until he physically couldn't. Nice seeing that from a so called diva. All respect for anyone, famous or not who never gave up regardless of their situation. |
mike hunt 23.01.2017 12:47 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Just pointing out the hypocrites marching and protesting against Trump, women that is, but they're ok with The Clintons. Does that even make sense? wizard, it's ok not too like Trump but don't be a hypocrite. You're suppose to be so much smarter than the Trump supporters. I noticed you havn't wrote since I'm making some valid points. End of dicussion! No more politics.andres_clip wrote:Is that your official rebuke - just attacking someone instead of providing a thoughtful counter-argument?The Real Wizard wrote:Oh Wizard stick to things you know like Queen for example...mike hunt wrote: Another liberal crybaby! Are you one of those no job liberals who attack Cops and burn down cities in a so called protest? I'll tell you this, I was Independent until this election. Now I see democrats for what they truly are, crybabies and vicious animals. I see no trump supporters acting like animals. Attacking police and so on" but trump supporters are the racists? LolSure, but they're upset for legitimate reasons. Republicans are far worse for not being the least bit concerned about 20 million people losing their health care, climate change being erased from the white house website, and the reality of a narcissistic sociopath having the nuclear codes. And perhaps you missed the news about hate crimes on visible minorities by Trump supporters in the 24 hours after him being elected. Furthermore - how do you know the person you're responding to is a "liberal"? Is that your blanket term for everyone who doesn't support the Republican party? This guy is from Europe, where most countries have at least a dozen political parties, and therefore people aren't as easily classified in binary terms. But of course you knew that and considered that before posting, because American conservatives are the world standard for intellect and thoughtfulness in dialogue. |
The Real Wizard 23.01.2017 15:41 |
mike hunt wrote: Just pointing out the hypocrites marching and protesting against Trump, women that is, but they're ok with The Clintons. Does that even make sense?Not really. Mentioning the Clintons (for any reason other than being involved in a discussion about the Clintons) is called a straw man argument. You're misrepresenting someone's position by bringing up something completely unrelated, which demonstrates to people who understand logical fallacies that you don't have an actual argument against their position, because you're resorting to a deflection elsewhere. And picking on the person instead of focusing on the issue is called an ad hominem argument. See above re: people's reactions to logical fallacies. Stick to the issue and smart, thoughtful people will listen to you. If you deflect, they won't, and your audience will reduced to only people who resort to similar tactics. It's pretty simple. |
AlbaNo1 23.01.2017 16:13 |
What's the issue? |
The Real Wizard 23.01.2017 19:52 |
When a certain poster labelled someone who didn't agree with him as a "liberal crybaby" and tried to deflect to an unrelated issue when he was called on it. |
mike hunt 23.01.2017 21:29 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: What's the issue?Good fucking Question! My original complaint was stated by a liberal crybaby who has the nerve to put down our new president. He doesn't even live in America. Obama was the worst and Bush was horrible. Trump is already creating Jobs by the way. Gave the military their biggest raise in ages. He'll be great for the economy in my opinion. And these liberal rioters might facing Jail time. Obama would have applauded these losers. Wizard, it figures you would be down with these celebrities like Madonna, who say's shes 'gonna burn down the White House! Even Brian May with his anti Trump rants, But Mr May didn't a have Problem with Clintion when he was screwing any girl with a pulse. I hate hypocrites! Or being unfaithful to his wife May was, but has the nerve to say shit about Trump. |
Oscar J 24.01.2017 02:45 |
"Good fucking Question!" The F bomb, good start. "My original complaint was stated by a liberal" You don't know he's a liberal, as previously stated. "crybaby" He has not come across as being a crybaby before. Maybe you're just attacking his person because he disagrees with you and you don't have any good counter arguments. "who has the nerve to put down our new president. He doesn't even live in America." Trump is a problem that concerns us all. The vast majority of people outside of America realise that he's a terrible and potentially very dangerous choice for president. And we're entitled to that opinion. "Obama was the worst" He certainly wasn't. Proof please. "Trump is already creating Jobs by the way. " Maybe he can create a few jobs, but at what cost? Employing a few thousand americans in a coal power plant spewing out as much CO2 as 10 million people. "Gave the military their biggest raise in ages." Great, just what the world needed. "He'll be great for the economy in my opinion. " That's not an argument, you don't have any proof for that. "And these liberal rioters might facing Jail time." And you certainly wouldn't mind. No wonder you support Trump. Narrow-mindedness and intolerance. "Obama would have applauded these losers." Straw man. "Wizard, it figures you would be down with these celebrities like Madonna, who say's shes 'gonna burn down the White House!" Straw man. "Even Brian May with his anti Trump rants, But Mr May didn't a have Problem with Clintion when he was screwing any girl with a pulse." Straw man. "I hate hypocrites!" You're just rambling now. But yes, hate is probably one of the big reasons for people voting for Trump. That usually ends well, history tells us. "Or being unfaithful to his wife May was, but has the nerve to say shit about Trump." He never groped random women, he didn't systematically insult them or belittle them. May is vastly more intelligent than Trump and like most clever people sees him for the person he is: a sexist, racist demagogue. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 07:03 |
Do you have proof Trump is a Racist? Ok, my original comment to costa was a knee Jerk reaction. The paper" The News, Especially facebook. is all about politics. Anti Trump Rants, and on the other side Trump Worship arguing back and forth. Then I come here and some Anti Trump comments got me pissed. I'm sick of hearing it. So, I apologize to Mr. Costa and one of my Musical idols Brian May for my comments, but My pet peve is that I don't like hypocrites. I'll get in a few point a little later on why I think obama was not a great president, the worst president was a bit harsh though. I'm off to work nowl. |
thomasquinn 32989 24.01.2017 08:57 |
If your pet peeve is not liking hypocrites, you should shut up right now. Republicans, and Trump, spent the past EIGHT YEARS attacking the democrats and Obama whenever they could, mostly on the basis of MADE UP BS. Remember the 'birther controversy'? Remember the claims of Obama being a Muslim who loves Al Qaeda and ISIS? Remember ANY of the vile, racist and TREASONOUS lies we've been faced with for EIGHT YEARS? But now, because a right-winger is in charge, we should pretend that never happened and all act like demure subjects to a benevolent despot in 18th century fashion? And you call yourself an American? Does it not strike you as a little odd, being an independent, as you say, that the party that accused the Democrats of being chummy with America's enemies, without any proof, does not see any problems in being led by a man who has nothing but praise for the KGB-colonel running Russia like a dictator, with a foreign minister who got an actual AWARD for being chummy with the moguls around Putin, with a national security advisor (Genl. Flynn) who was not just fired for leaking military secrets but is now under investigation by the security services as he made several calls of a suspicious nature to Russian 'diplomats' under investigation by said security services? Do you not see any hypocrisy there? And then you have the gall to call Obama "the worst" president, then later calling that remark "a bit harsh". It's not "a bit harsh", it's a statement demonstrating incredible ignorance of the history of the American presidency. Do you even know ANY American history? Have you ever even *heard* of Herbert Hoover, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Ulysses Grant, Warren Harding and the likes? Or, if that's too far back, do you remember Bush? |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 10:12 |
Oscar J wrote: "Good fucking Question!" The F bomb, good start. "My original complaint was stated by a liberal" You don't know he's a liberal, as previously stated. "crybaby" He has not come across as being a crybaby before. Maybe you're just attacking his person because he disagrees with you and you don't have any good counter arguments. "who has the nerve to put down our new president. He doesn't even live in America." Trump is a problem that concerns us all. The vast majority of people outside of America realise that he's a terrible and potentially very dangerous choice for president. And we're entitled to that opinion. "Obama was the worst" He certainly wasn't. Proof please. "Trump is already creating Jobs by the way. " Maybe he can create a few jobs, but at what cost? Employing a few thousand americans in a coal power plant spewing out as much CO2 as 10 million people. "Gave the military their biggest raise in ages." Great, just what the world needed. "He'll be great for the economy in my opinion. " That's not an argument, you don't have any proof for that. "And these liberal rioters might facing Jail time." And you certainly wouldn't mind. No wonder you support Trump. Narrow-mindedness and intolerance. "Obama would have applauded these losers." Straw man. "Wizard, it figures you would be down with these celebrities like Madonna, who say's shes 'gonna burn down the White House!" Straw man. "Even Brian May with his anti Trump rants, But Mr May didn't a have Problem with Clintion when he was screwing any girl with a pulse." Straw man. "I hate hypocrites!" You're just rambling now. But yes, hate is probably one of the big reasons for people voting for Trump. That usually ends well, history tells us. "Or being unfaithful to his wife May was, but has the nerve to say shit about Trump." He never groped random women, he didn't systematically insult them or belittle them. May is vastly more intelligent than Trump and like most clever people sees him for the person he is: a sexist, racist demagogue.What? No wonder you support Trump narrow mindedness and intolerance? So you're saying it's ok for rioters to burn down cities, put cars on fire, and sending 5 police officers to the hospital because they didn't get what they wanted? Of corse they should be punished. A big difference between protesting peacefully and rioting. It's against the law to destroy property, and assaulting a police officers. Wow, people like you are what's wrong with the country for last 8 years. That's plain sick that you think I'm wrong for wanting some type punishment for these people. You really are obamas fan boy. |
Oscar J 24.01.2017 10:31 |
Well, I missed that you wrote rioting. While I can understand it to some degree, I agree that it should not be tolerated. The rest of my points still stand though. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 10:37 |
Obama failures as president is why the people voted trump in, also the hillary scandals. In the end people didn't trust her. It's really that simple. The idea that people voted only because he's a white male is a lie, these are same people who voted for obama twice. Some of obamas failures include obama care, rising healthcare costs racked up more debt than the previous 43 presidents combined. Even bill clinton stated obama care is a crazy system. Help eliminate racial tensions? Racial tensions reaches a new high in his 2nd term, he chose to embrace the Black lives matter movement, thanks to rhetoric acts of violence within BLM. There was a sharp increase in shooting deaths of police officers in the last 2 years. Saving us from depression? Really? In a American poll 72 percent said that America was still in a recession, that's no dispute given the sluggishness of our recovery. The economic growth has been the weakest of any post recession period since world war 11. I wrote enough for now, but i'll write about some foreign policy failures like Bangazi soon, and weak boarder control. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 10:56 |
Oh, and the rise of isis, Releasing terrorists, and his most recent disaster the pardoning of Chelsea Manning. To be Continued! |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 15:06 |
mike hunt wrote: Good fucking Question! My original complaint was stated by a liberal crybaby who has the nerve to put down our new president. He doesn't even live in America. Obama was the worst and Bush was horrible. Trump is already creating Jobs by the way. Gave the military their biggest raise in ages. He'll be great for the economy in my opinion. And these liberal rioters might facing Jail time. Obama would have applauded these losers. Wizard, it figures you would be down with these celebrities like Madonna, who say's shes 'gonna burn down the White House! Even Brian May with his anti Trump rants, But Mr May didn't a have Problem with Clintion when he was screwing any girl with a pulse. I hate hypocrites! Or being unfaithful to his wife May was, but has the nerve to say shit about Trump.This post is one of the worst examples of gish gallup I've ever seen. There is just so much bullshit, opinions posed as fact, selective history, ad hominems, and straw man arguments to even begin to dissect it (thank goodness someone already did). You wouldn't even be able to compete on a high school debate team, never mind with adults. Sorry man. Maybe you're the one who should just stick to music. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 15:10 |
mike hunt wrote: Do you have proof Trump is a Racist?He was endorsed by KKK members, and he said nothing in response. The fact that he was elected president on these grounds alone is terrifying to anyone with an IQ over 85. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 15:16 |
The Real Wizard wrote:He denied any involvement with the KKK, i remember him saying that was nonsense.mike hunt wrote: Do you have proof Trump is a Racist?He was endorsed by KKK members, and he said nothing in response. The fact that he was elected president on these grounds alone is terrifying to anyone with an IQ over 85. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 15:19 |
mike hunt wrote: Some of obamas failures include obama careThe 20 million people who no longer have to choose between groceries and seeing the doctor disagree with you. Before Obamacare, people literally died because they couldn't afford health care or because insurance companies screwed them by making up pre-existing conditions to avoid having to pay out when people needed it most. racked up more debt than the previous 43 presidents combined.Source? Is that adjusted for inflation? Obama cut a trillion dollars from the deficit. I think you don't know the difference between "debt" and "deficit." There was a sharp increase in shooting deaths of police officers in the last 2 years.Because racist police officers have been targeting blacks worse than ever in the same period. There is systematic racism in countless police forces across the country. In a American poll 72 percent said that America was still in a recessionThat's nice - but a recession isn't a matter of people's opinion. The US is currently not in recession. Obama pulled America out of the recession that Bush left it in. The economic growth has been the weakest of any post recession period since world war 11.Source? i'll write about some foreign policy failures like Bangazi soon, and weak boarder control.Please don't, because you're probably going to be wrong, like 95% of what you spew out. But if you do, please learn how to spell "Benghazi" and "border" first. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 15:24 |
mike hunt wrote: the rise of isisWhich can be blamed on presidents going back to Reagan. The middle east hates the west because it has been meddling in their affairs for decades. Bush's swift response to 9/11 created what led to ISIS. Before that the enemy was Al Qaeda - a small fringe group in caves. The seeds for ISIS were planted long before Obama was in power. Releasing terroristsSource? Terrorists, or suspected terrorists for which they had no proof? and his most recent disaster the pardoning of Chelsea Manning.Five years wasn't enough? And the US army killing over 100,000 Iraqi civilians and they get off scot free? Manning educated the country about the illegal war, and was thoughtful to ensure that the information she leaked wouldn't endanger anyone (and it hasn't). |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 15:26 |
mike hunt wrote:He was endorsed by them as early as February last year, and waited until five days before the election to finally say something.The Real Wizard wrote:He denied any involvement with the KKK, i remember him saying that was nonsense.mike hunt wrote: Do you have proof Trump is a Racist?He was endorsed by KKK members, and he said nothing in response. The fact that he was elected president on these grounds alone is terrifying to anyone with an IQ over 85. He wanted the white supremacist vote. You are blind if you think otherwise. Seriously - you need to stop talking politics. Your partisanship has completely obliterated your ability to think critically. You spew out talking points with no regard for factual information. You are occasionally correct, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 15:27 |
The Real Wizard wrote:What's the problem with that post? That madonna said she was gonna burn down the white house? She in fact said that. That bill clinton was a womenizer? How is that not a fact? That democrates are rioting and injuring cops and burning cars? Is that fact or opinion? Will Trump create Jobs and be a good president? That is an opinion on my part, and I might be eating those words in 4 years. What part of my post was bullshit?mike hunt wrote: Good fucking Question! My original complaint was stated by a liberal crybaby who has the nerve to put down our new president. He doesn't even live in America. Obama was the worst and Bush was horrible. Trump is already creating Jobs by the way. Gave the military their biggest raise in ages. He'll be great for the economy in my opinion. And these liberal rioters might facing Jail time. Obama would have applauded these losers. Wizard, it figures you would be down with these celebrities like Madonna, who say's shes 'gonna burn down the White House! Even Brian May with his anti Trump rants, But Mr May didn't a have Problem with Clintion when he was screwing any girl with a pulse. I hate hypocrites! Or being unfaithful to his wife May was, but has the nerve to say shit about Trump.This post is one of the worst examples of gish gallup I've ever seen. There is just so much bullshit, opinions posed as fact, selective history, ad hominems, and straw man arguments to even begin to dissect it (thank goodness someone already did). You wouldn't even be able to compete on a high school debate team, never mind with adults. Sorry man. Maybe you're the one who should just stick to music. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 15:33 |
Sure, Madonna said that. But bringing that up and somehow linking me to it is called a straw man argument, as well as an ad hominem. And sure, Clinton was a womanizer (again, learn to spell). But once again, straw man argument - completely irrelevant to the discussion. Democrats injuring cops and burning cars - of course, not cool. Obviously. But once again, straw man argument - completely irrelevant to the discussion. Until you understand these logical fallacies and realize how often you use them, you just aren't going to be debating at a level that is seen as respectable at even a high school level. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 15:46 |
Go cry in your panties with Madonna and lady Ga Ga, laughing out loud! The American people have spoken, and we wern't happy with obama and most us don't trust hillary. Bush was horrible as well, 9/11 happened on his watch. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 16:05 |
I get my Info from the paper, the news, and from everyday people. I thought it was a known fact obamcare was a mess. This is the first time I heard anything positive about it. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 16:15 |
I just remembered the source of some my claims, the New York Post. I believe the article is called, time to face the facts Obama presidency was a failure. So Just type that in. But, remember the Info your getting is gonna differ from my sources. I'll try too remember my other sources. Sorry for all the mistakes with spelling, i have a small phone and don't proof read, as I do have full life. A Job, family. Unlike some people! |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 16:35 |
Don't believe the lie that obama is leaving Trump with a healthy economy. That's another source. Type that In. The problem is you watch too much CNN. They're known to bash Trump. Read other sources besides CNN. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 17:11 |
Obamas last report card written by williamson. Another source about the economy. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 17:45 |
Online Journal. Obama's failed presidency. That's my last source for now, read away! |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 18:36 |
Just one more on race relations. How Obama turned back the clock on race relations. Ny Post I believe wrote this one. Wizard, you say white cops are killing Blacks at it's highest rate and that's why cops are being shot? I could easily give you reliable sources that states the highest crime rate js black on black crime. Over 93% in fact. I just heard on the news a few minutes ago that 2 cops were just shot and killed a few blocks from me. You think that will make the news? No BLM marches? |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 19:12 |
mike hunt wrote: I just remembered the source of some my claims, the New York Post. I believe the article is called, time to face the facts Obama presidency was a failure. So Just type that in.The New York Post is a right wing rag, propagating views that will benefit the right wing agenda, which is to benefit corporations. You are reading almost exclusively right wing newspapers, and probably only talking to right wing people. This really goes to show how polarized your country is. There are two completely different groups of people having two completely different conversations about the same events. You say this is the first you've heard about Obamacare being a good thing. Well, that probably sounds like you live in a more wealthy, white neighbourhood, with only fragmented pieces of information becoming part of your dialogue with your neighbours. Obamacare is far from perfect, but it has literally ensured that less people will die because they cannot afford health care. The fact that you weren't aware of this until now is honestly shocking and bewildering. In Canada the news is far more balanced, and we hear all sides of it. This is why the majority of Canadians kind of scratch our heads when half of America says they want to repeal Obamacare - because it will result in people dying. But half of America isn't even aware of that side of it. And the insurance companies benefit from their ignorance. This is how right wing media works. And half the country is completely clueless. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 19:29 |
Vox The Atlantic New York Times Washington Post The Guardian Slate NPR These are the most unbiased news sources I've found in the US. They are all examples of quality, thoughtful investigative journalism. Just about everything else is too polarized to either side. And as long as we trust fact checkers, they would almost certainly agree with me. |
Haystacks Calhoun II 24.01.2017 21:52 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Vox The Atlantic New York Times Washington Post The Guardian Slate NPR These are the most unbiased news sources I've found in the US. They are all examples of quality, thoughtful investigative journalism. Just about everything else is too polarized to either side. And as long as we trust fact checkers, they would almost certainly agree with me.You just listed 7 of the most liberal leaning sources, if you can use the word sources, in the US. Nice try. We no longer have unbiased media, just organizations putting their spin on what is happening. Works for both sides. |
mike hunt 24.01.2017 22:35 |
Haystacks Calhoun II wrote:Thank you! I was gonna say the same thing. The left is equally, if not more biased.The Real Wizard wrote: Vox The Atlantic New York Times Washington Post The Guardian Slate NPR These are the most unbiased news sources I've found in the US. They are all examples of quality, thoughtful investigative journalism. Just about everything else is too polarized to either side. And as long as we trust fact checkers, they would almost certainly agree with me.You just listed 7 of the most liberal leaning sources, if you can use the word sources, in the US. Nice try. We no longer have unbiased media, just organizations putting their spin on what is happening. Works for both sides. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2017 22:48 |
Haystacks Calhoun II wrote: You just listed 7 of the most liberal leaning sources, if you can use the word sources, in the US.According to the rest of the world, those sources are right down the centre. As Stephen Colbert once said - "facts have a well-known liberal bias." Also note that the rest of the world doesn't see politics in binary. The US may have two parties, but most other countries (especially in Europe) have more than that, or even dozens, often with more than one party ruling at a time (a coalition). The rest of the world doesn't interpret "not conservative" to automatically mean "liberal". It just means it's not conservative, as there are more than two ways to think. If anyone thinks Vox and The Atlantic are biased to the "left" in the same way that Fox and Breitbart are biased to the right, they are literally insane and unable of critical thought. Occupy Democrats - yes. But Vox, absolutely not. |
andres_clip 25.01.2017 01:39 |
The Real Wizard wrote:But you clearly state that you don't know politics, claiming people who don't side with you have a lesser IQ cmon dudeandres_clip wrote:Is that your official rebuke - just attacking someone instead of providing a thoughtful counter-argument?The Real Wizard wrote:Oh Wizard stick to things you know like Queen for example...mike hunt wrote: Another liberal crybaby! Are you one of those no job liberals who attack Cops and burn down cities in a so called protest? I'll tell you this, I was Independent until this election. Now I see democrats for what they truly are, crybabies and vicious animals. I see no trump supporters acting like animals. Attacking police and so on" but trump supporters are the racists? LolSure, but they're upset for legitimate reasons. Republicans are far worse for not being the least bit concerned about 20 million people losing their health care, climate change being erased from the white house website, and the reality of a narcissistic sociopath having the nuclear codes. And perhaps you missed the news about hate crimes on visible minorities by Trump supporters in the 24 hours after him being elected. Furthermore - how do you know the person you're responding to is a "liberal"? Is that your blanket term for everyone who doesn't support the Republican party? This guy is from Europe, where most countries have at least a dozen political parties, and therefore people aren't as easily classified in binary terms. But of course you knew that and considered that before posting, because American conservatives are the world standard for intellect and thoughtfulness in dialogue. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 01:42 |
andres_clip wrote: But you clearly state that you don't know politics, claiming people who don't side with you have a lesser IQ cmon dudePardon you - but you started this thread with a conspiracy theory, nor do you know how to construct a proper sentence. Leave politics to the adults, thanks. |
andres_clip 25.01.2017 01:44 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: Andres, with all due respect, you said "We want to know now". Who's "we"? Are you speaking for us all? If so, you can't then complain when people tell you they don't want to see this stuff, should it exist (I doubt it does). That's the "we" talking back at you, giving their opinions. Calling them crybabies for having an opinion is absolutely senseless. For what it's worth, there will be a market for this (should the videos exist). But it's not for me. I'm content with what Freddie left us in terms of his music, with the final releases a valiant effort to give us one last thing. The messages, his feelings etc towards the end are there for us all to hear. The delicate, intimate thoughts and the way he dealt with mortality etc are all there, in the music - as, indeed, are his life stories in earlier music. Do we need to see him deteriorate? No. I doubt he made such videos, as he was a private person as we all know. If there ARE videos, it's for friends and family - not the morbidly curious.I think there's alot of we in the world and clearly I'm not speaking for you or the other ones but for the silent majority. Did it cross your mind that the image and stuff you know about Freddie is what "they" want YOU to know and not Freddies picture of himself. |
andres_clip 25.01.2017 01:48 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I'm just writing so you'll understand.andres_clip wrote: But you clearly state that you don't know politics, claiming people who don't side with you have a lesser IQ cmon dudePardon you - but you started this thread with a conspiracy theory, nor do you know how to construct a proper sentence. Leave politics to the adults, thanks. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 01:54 |
andres_clip wrote:And I'm just writing to tell you that you're an idiot. If you are busy touting conspiracy theories as recently as your last post, then you are not qualified to lecture people on political philosophy.The Real Wizard wrote:I'm just writing so you'll understand.andres_clip wrote: But you clearly state that you don't know politics, claiming people who don't side with you have a lesser IQ cmon dudePardon you - but you started this thread with a conspiracy theory, nor do you know how to construct a proper sentence. Leave politics to the adults, thanks. IQ is measurable. It's not a matter of opinion. When someone is drinking kool aid from biased news sources and resorting to logical fallacies during a debate, it means they're not very smart. They will not be able to pass a Mensa test if that's how poorly their brain functions. But you clearly do not understand either concept, so I really should stop wasting my time with you. |
thomasquinn 32989 25.01.2017 04:45 |
I think Mike Hunt and andres_clip are doing a fine job helping panchgani to make the hard right as represented on QZ look deranged, petty and totally out of touch with reality. Mike Hunt ignores every argument of substance and believes saying he read it in an "online journal" is a source. Of course, he doesn't have much time to look for sources to back up his rants as he "do[es] have full life. A Job, family. Unlike some people!", but apparently not enough of a life to not post 7 consecutive lame attempts at providing sources (only one of which even remotely resembles a real reference, btw.) over a three-hour period. "Ye shall know them by their fruits". If Mike Hunt, andres_clip and panchgani are the fruits, do you want to eat from that tree? Call me an optimist, but I think there are enough people who are sufficiently intelligent to counterbalance the hordes of blind and ignorant fury. And very plainly, the Trumpites will do the most damage to their own brand. They're doing it right now. |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 06:42 |
Get over yourself Wizard and Thomas! Not as smart as you claim too be. And pretty arrogant I must add. I gave sources from where political people disagree with you, the same as you giving me liberal sources. Everyone of these sources has an agenda. The Right and left, so we basically have too go by what we feel and go by the world we live in day by day. I live In New York, so I'm living it. Not Just Watching CNN From Canada Or The UK. I'm a working class guy who talks with my peers, most agree the liberals are out of control. They're acting like animals. Looking at them everyday has me leaning to the right. I relate more with them. Wizard is always putting people down who don't agree with him. His IQ is so high be brags, lol. |
AlbaNo1 25.01.2017 07:55 |
Basing the legitimacy of someone's political opinions on their assumed IQ (if untested) doesn't seem too liberal or democratic. Rather the opposite. The average voter has an average IQ. |
thomasquinn 32989 25.01.2017 08:06 |
mike hunt wrote: Get over yourself Wizard and Thomas! Not as smart as you claim too be. And pretty arrogant I must add. I gave sources from where political people disagree with you, the same as you giving me liberal sources. Everyone of these sources has an agenda. The Right and left, so we basically have too go by what we feel and go by the world we live in day by day. I live In New York, so I'm living it. Not Just Watching CNN From Canada Or The UK. I'm a working class guy who talks with my peers, most agree the liberals are out of control. They're acting like animals. Looking at them everyday has me leaning to the right. I relate more with them. Wizard always puting people down who don't agree with him. His IQ is so high be brags, lol.I see you're still too much of a coward to respond to my previous post, in which I put forward concrete arguments about the BS you are spewing regarding democrats/liberals as opposed to the Trump-regime. |
Haystacks Calhoun II 25.01.2017 08:23 |
The Real Wizard wrote:The Atlantic, a 150 plus year old institution, is moderate at best.Haystacks Calhoun II wrote: You just listed 7 of the most liberal leaning sources, if you can use the word sources, in the US.According to the rest of the world, those sources are right down the centre. As Stephen Colbert once said - "facts have a well-known liberal bias." Also note that the rest of the world doesn't see politics in binary. The US may have two parties, but most other countries (especially in Europe) have more than that, or even dozens, often with more than one party ruling at a time (a coalition). The rest of the world doesn't interpret "not conservative" to automatically mean "liberal". It just means it's not conservative, as there are more than two ways to think. If anyone thinks Vox and The Atlantic are biased to the "left" in the same way that Fox and Breitbart are biased to the right, they are literally insane and unable of critical thought. Occupy Democrats - yes. But Vox, absolutely not. You lose all credibility in stating that Vox isn't a left leaning "publication". Then, you double down by saying if you disagree, you are insane. That exchange above pretty well calls you out, my friend. |
Vocal harmony 25.01.2017 08:36 |
In politics (as with many things in life) there are two basic types of people. Those who talk only to the people who think like they do then blindly follow. And those who sit back look at the bigger picture and learn from it. Education is a provider of knowledge, but common sense and an ability to learn from more than one source will always further our understanding. Both Mr Quinn and Mr Wizard seem to have a much more open minded and educated view than some in this current thread |
Haystacks Calhoun II 25.01.2017 08:52 |
Vocal harmony wrote: In politics (as with many things in life) there are two basic types of people. Those who talk only to the people who think like they do then blindly follow. And those who sit back look at the bigger picture and learn from it. Education is a provider of knowledge, but common sense and an ability to learn from more than one source will always further our understanding. Both Mr Quinn and Mr Wizard seem to have a much more open minded and educated view than some in this current threadI don't see their broad brushed attacks as very open minded. I see them just as you described above, as those who mingle with like minded people, and go after anyone who gives them the first hint of discord. Wizard and TQ are, more than likely, very nice folks in real life. It's easy to be a keyboard warrior when it comes to politics. That said, those who behave online the way that they do is a large reason that Donald Trump is in office today. Had they went after Hillary Clinton, the single worst Presidential candidate to ever run for office, with one tenth of the vigor that they harbor for Trump supporters, we would have President Bernie Sanders. Instead, we have the second worst candidate in office, who won because he wasn't Hillary Clinton, and because the "average" person is quite tired of being told by the media what to think, and tired of the attacks that you see here. |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 08:57 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:mike hunt wrote: Get over yourself Wizard and Thomas! Not as smart as you claim too be. And pretty arrogant I must add. I gave sources from where political people disagree with you, the same as you giving me liberal sources. Everyone of these sources has an agenda. The Right and left, so we basically have too go by what we feel and go by the world we live in day by day. I live In New York, so I'm living it. Not Just Watching CNN From Canada Or The UK. I'm a working class guy who talks with my peers, most agree the liberals are out of control. They're acting like animals. Looking at them everyday has me leaning to the right. I relate more with them. Wizard always puting people down who don't agree with him. His IQ is so high be brags, lol.I see you're still too much of a coward to respond to my previous post, in which I put forward concrete arguments about the BS you are spewing regarding democrats/liberals as opposed to the Trump-regime. |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 09:07 |
What about the Trump regime? They're In office for 4 days, how can we know if he's gonna do good! What we do know is Bush was the worst, Obama tried too clean his mess with mixed results at best. Obamacare is a mess as per Mr Clinton. I said it earlier, you want too talk about Trump and his sucess or failure, we could do that in a year. Now's not the time, 4 days he's in office! |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 09:14 |
Just a little fact that wizard forgot to mention about Obamacare, most Americans are complaining that they can't afford Obamcare. They pay 300 monthly the average person can't afford. I'm going by articles I read, and people in real life going through it. I live in america, unlike most on Queenzone. I have coverage through my Job, so the only thing I go by is what my fellow Americans tell me. |
Oscar J 25.01.2017 09:23 |
The Real Wizard wrote: IQ is measurable. It's not a matter of opinion. When someone is drinking kool aid from biased news sources and resorting to logical fallacies during a debate, it means they're not very smart. They will not be able to pass a Mensa test if that's how poorly their brain functions. Most people wouldn't, only 1 - 2% or so. It's 131 or higher. I think ignorance is a much bigger factor than IQ in these matters. |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 09:25 |
Obamacare sources, Americans say Obamacare is killing us! Obamacare Facts, what if I Can't afford coverage? And From CNBC News: more than half of us can't afford to pay 300 a month for Obamacare. Read both articles, these are stories I hear from American people. Not CNN! |
Oscar J 25.01.2017 09:42 |
mike hunt wrote: What about the Trump regime? They're In office for 4 days, how can we know if he's gonna do good! What we do know is Bush was the worst, Obama tried too clean his mess with mixed results at best. Obamacare is a mess as per Mr Clinton. I said it earlier, you want too talk about Trump and his sucess or failure, we could do that in a year. Now's not the time, 4 days he's in office! We know, because he has already started to screw things up big time. For example, in four DAYS: * The "alternative facts" controversy/huge screw-up * Starting a war on press. This has often proved disastrous for democracies throughout the history, and is being watched with a lot of worry all around the world. * Wanting to reopen Guantanamo and "Black site" prisons where torture most likely used to be conducted * Severely hurting the relationship with China due to his Taiwan statement, and aggressively threatening with military interventions in the South China sea. * Signing a law against abortion - surrounded by white male politicians, naturally: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38729364 * Downgrading the importance of the people's voice by (falsely!) claiming that millions voted illegally. There is absolutely no sources for this whatsoever. And this is without even mentioning repelling Obamacare. Even people who used to be against Obamacare are worried about this when he doesn't seem to provide an alternative or replacement. |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 10:18 |
I'm not saying you shouldn't be worried, god, he makes me a bit nervous. I even told some of my Far right friends that. But most of these stories are being told by the Democrats. He was always against the press and media. I agree with him on that. Most press write what will sell papers, not the actual facts. They make Race Relations in this country worse by writing false stuff before they know the facts. Example, A cop shoots black man on the front page of the paper. The BLM movement protests, then turns to riots. A few days later we find out the cop was justified in the shooting. The subject turned out too be a criminal who was armed. That's what the media does to sell papers. Abortion? I know Pence is super Religious, so I would be a bit nervous on that. I havn't heard Trump being against Pro choice though. |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 10:21 |
Always be worried when you have a new president, but in my opinion his healthcare will be better and more affordable than obamacare. Mark my words on that one. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 11:04 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: The average voter has an average IQ.Yep, which is why this is going to happen: link But fear not - according to our Republican friends, this is just "left wing media", and these people are all rich and will be able to afford their cancer medication. Everyone has an extra 2 grand a month lying around, don't they? |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 11:12 |
mike hunt wrote: I gave sources from where political people disagree with you, the same as you giving me liberal sources. Everyone of these sources has an agenda. The Right and left, so we basically have too go by what we feelAnd that's EXACTLY the problem - you go by feelings, not by facts. You have just nailed exactly why Trump is successful - because feelings have replaced facts in America. I'm a working class guy who talks with my peers, most agree the liberals are out of control.No - you are not working class if you have a job with health care. It means you are in about the top 20-30% of the country, considering only 75% of people with a full time job get health insurance from work (about half the country is service industry, i.e. mostly part time jobs): link Or is this a biased "liberal" source with all those "facts" ? |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 11:14 |
Haystacks Calhoun II wrote: The Atlantic, a 150 plus year old institution, is moderate at best. You lose all credibility in stating that Vox isn't a left leaning "publication". Then, you double down by saying if you disagree, you are insane. That exchange above pretty well calls you out, my friend.Vox is very slightly left of centre. The argument was that Vox is as skewed to the left as Fox is skewed to the right. To equate those two things is to be nothing short of insane. Of course, the person in question didn't mention Vox by name - the only "left wing" source he even knows of is CNN, which, compared to Fox is "more" left wing, but by any other civilized country's designation it would be classified as centre. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 11:29 |
Haystacks Calhoun II wrote: That said, those who behave online the way that they do is a large reason that Donald Trump is in office today. Had they went after Hillary Clinton, the single worst Presidential candidate to ever run for office, with one tenth of the vigor that they harbor for Trump supporters, we would have President Bernie Sanders.Trump's detractors DID vote for Bernie in the primaries - 60% of them. It's the corrupt Democrats and their superdelegate system that screwed him. They could have even made him the running mate. They're the ones who blew it. But you're certainly right - 80% of millenials didn't vote. They could've stopped Trump, even though they hated Hillary. Their pride is partly to blame as well. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 11:37 |
mike hunt wrote: They're In office for 4 days, how can we know if he's gonna do good!In four days: link link link link link I think from the first four days we have a pretty good idea of where things are headed. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 11:42 |
mike hunt wrote: But most of these stories are being told by the Democrats.So you'll discredit them until you hear it in right wing media? I havn't heard Trump being against Pro choice though.link Now you have. But of course you hadn't heard about this - Fox and the New York Post aren't going to report that a Trump executive order is going to result in countless women dying. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 11:46 |
mike hunt wrote: Always be worried when you have a new president, but in my opinion his healthcare will be better and more affordable than obamacare. Mark my words on that one.How can you possibly know that? He hasn't put forth a plan ! Furthermore, your opinion on the matter is not only irrelevant, but based on literally nothing, as Trump has said - "I have plans, the best plans." No actual plan. This blind support of yours is exactly what is wrong with your country. "He's not a Democrat, so he's better by default until proven otherwise" is basically what you're saying. And you call yourself an independent? You are part and parcel a Republican. You blindly drink the kool aid unless your livelihood is threatened. Only then will you start to think for yourself. If you lose your job, you'll lose your health care. And you'll be wishing for Obamacare - because Trump is not going to replace it with anything. |
thomasquinn 32989 25.01.2017 11:56 |
Haystacks Calhoun II wrote: Hillary Clinton, the single worst Presidential candidate to ever run for office,Gee. Ever heard of George Wallace? Pat Buchanan? William McAdoo? Or maybe Benjamin Butler? John C. Breckinridge? Or, at the top of every sensible list on this subject, AARON BURR?!! |
andres_clip 25.01.2017 12:06 |
The Real Wizard wrote:A true scientists/professor speaking. I hold my breath for youre wise words.andres_clip wrote:And I'm just writing to tell you that you're an idiot. If you are busy touting conspiracy theories as recently as your last post, then you are not qualified to lecture people on political philosophy. IQ is measurable. It's not a matter of opinion. When someone is drinking kool aid from biased news sources and resorting to logical fallacies during a debate, it means they're not very smart. They will not be able to pass a Mensa test if that's how poorly their brain functions. But you clearly do not understand either concept, so I really should stop wasting my time with you.The Real Wizard wrote:I'm just writing so you'll understand.andres_clip wrote: But you clearly state that you don't know politics, claiming people who don't side with you have a lesser IQ cmon dudePardon you - but you started this thread with a conspiracy theory, nor do you know how to construct a proper sentence. Leave politics to the adults, thanks. |
mike hunt 25.01.2017 12:16 |
God forbid I lose my Job! They been trying to cut back, budget cuts for a while. Even though we're city employee. I consider myself working class because I live check to check. I don't think Trump got in because he's so great, i think People's hatred for hillary got him in. And people were tired of the Obama regime. Also Trump isn't a politician, he's a business man. People got tired of politicians. I was straight down the middle, trust me on that! But I disliked the way they handled their loss. Rioting, recounting the votes 3 times. Liberals on the college campus screaming at trump supporters. Yea, right now I dislike the left. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 13:20 |
andres_clip wrote: A true scientists/professor speaking. I hold my breath for youre wise words.It's "your", not "you're". And "youre" isn't even a word. Nor am I a "scientists". I am one person. "Scientist" should be singular, not plural. Learn how to write a proper sentence before you talk about politics. Geez. |
The Real Wizard 25.01.2017 13:25 |
mike hunt wrote: And people were tired of the Obama regime. Also Trump isn't a politician, he's a business man. People got tired of politicians. I was straight down the middle, trust me on that! But I disliked the way they handled their loss. Rioting, recounting the votes 3 times. Liberals on the college campus screaming at trump supporters. Yea, right now I dislike the left.What a coincidence - these are precisely all the things that right wing media is telling you to hate about the left. You sound like a paid troll employed by Fox news. Not a single independent thought - just talking points lifted from their script. You are just so uninformed, and it's even more sad because all the clues to being an informed person are right here in this thread. |
andres_clip 25.01.2017 15:03 |
The Real Wizard wrote:You for real, grammar, it comes down to that. A true bully must be Democrat feminist crazy person. I bet I seen your ass on TV running around doing nothing but trouble. Shame on you, I thought listening to Queen was about joy and no racism/bullying and all that merry go round but you as a true globalist show your face. Should start listening to some other group that suit your agenda better.andres_clip wrote: A true scientists/professor speaking. I hold my breath for youre wise words.It's "your", not "you're". And "youre" isn't even a word. Nor am I a "scientists". I am one person. "Scientist" should be singular, not plural. Learn how to write a proper sentence before you talk about politics. Geez. |
AlexRocks 25.01.2017 15:21 |
Oh, my god The Real Wizard is a Real Loser! Lol. |
Oscar J 25.01.2017 15:26 |
AlexRocks wrote: Oh, my god The Real Wizard is a Real Loser! Lol. That's really clever! Did you come up with that all by yourself? |
Oscar J 25.01.2017 16:11 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnibHBkDFO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvXJnukCFoo&t=339s Congrats USA. Your education is in the hands of a total moron. |
Saint Jiub 25.01.2017 22:50 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Vox - LEFT BIAS The Atlantic - Left-Center Bias New York Times - Left-Center Bias Washington Post - Left-Center Bias The Guardian - Left-Center Bias Slate - LEFT BIAS NPR - Left-Center Bias These are the most unbiased news sources I've found in the US. They are all examples of quality, thoughtful investigative journalism. Just about everything else is too polarized to either side. And as long as we trust fact checkers, they would almost certainly agree with me. ... https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/about/ According to "Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC News)", all seven of the "suggested" websites bend toward the left, with Slate and Vox being the polar opposite equivalent of Breitbart and Fox News. In my opinion, The Guardian Post and the Washington Post are generally reasonable publications despite their leftward bent. The other five are "lame" in my opinion. The "Least Biased" sites I consider generally reasonable would include the Associated Press, Factcheck.org, Pew Research, Politifact, Reuters, and Snopes. |
thomasquinn 32989 25.01.2017 23:56 |
Ah, so you admit that politifact is neutral. Good. Does that also mean that you agree that about 70% of the claims that Trump has made during his campaign were completely or mostly false? And that for Hillary Clinton, this percentage was less than 30%? |
The Real Wizard 26.01.2017 01:21 |
Panchgani wrote: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/about/link The "Least Biased" sites I consider generally reasonable would include the Associated Press, Factcheck.org, Pew Research, Politifact, Reuters, and Snopes.If you rely on Politifact and Snopes, then how in the world are you a Republican? They regularly tear the right wing agenda a new one. Something's not adding up here. |
Vocal harmony 26.01.2017 08:30 |
andres_clip wrote: . . . .Shame on you, I thought listening to Queen was about joy and no racism/bullying and all that merry go round but you as a true globalist show your face. Should start listening to some other group that suit your agenda better.If this is truly what you believe why start a thread that has nothing to do with the music and from the start was a gutter press type of attempt to dig up something that just isn't there Also if you're now going to present yourself as the victim of bullying and racism you better have some unquestionable proof. Pointing out your mistakes is not bullying! As for racism, you're probably closer to it than any of the replies to your posts have been. |
The Real Wizard 26.01.2017 10:13 |
Yeah, methinks it's time to stop feeding the troll now. Buffet is over. |
Oscar J 26.01.2017 17:19 |
For the first time in history, according to The Economist Intelligence unit's Democracy Index, USA is no longer a "full democracy", but rather a "flawed democracy". link |
Costa86 26.01.2017 18:12 |
^Wow. Fucked up times ahead. Will look on from front porch with beer in hand. Watch it all go to shit. |
Oscar J 29.01.2017 16:25 |
There is pretty much a constitutional crisis already in USA. Frightening stuff. From Business Insider: ""Trump already seems to be marginalizing the influence of career officials with extensive federal experience at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Justice Department. [---] Department of Homeland Security staff, the officials said, were only allowed to see the order barring refugees from the US after Trump signed it, and National Security Council lawyers were prevented from evaluating it. The State Department and the DoD were also excluded from the process, NBC reported."" Trump consulted Rudy Giuliani instead ... |
Costa86 29.01.2017 17:12 |
Heh. And this is just the beginning. Unbelievable really. |
thomasquinn 32989 30.01.2017 05:03 |
I don't think it's unbelievable. From the moment he names his first nominees, it was clear that Trump has no problems with corruption (Rex Tillerson), incompetence (Genl. Flynn), nepotism (Jared Kushner) or pay-to-play (Betsy DeVos), and that's not even mentioning Steve Bannon, who is plain evil. He's been pushing conspiracy theories for years, he only speaks the truth one-in-three, and he has a LOOOONG history of teetering on the very edge of serious crime (the Genovese-family maffia-connections in Atlantic City, well-publicized since the early '90s). He's been dropping not-so-subtle hints to white supremacists and other extreme right fringe elements that he's with them, and he's already accused the intelligence services, bullwarks of the hard right since their inception, of being part of a liberal conspiracy against the 'real America'. This is a very serious threat to America and to the world, but it is not very different from what the people who warned that Trump could just be elected said was going to happen. I was not one of them - I did not think he could win, and I still think his win is highly dodgy: James Comey's last-minute unfounded attack on Clinton, the Russian hacks, the masses of fake news (at a literally totalitarian level: as an historian, I've seen these kinds of news before - in WWI propaganda, during the Nazi regime, in Soviet Russia, under Mao, under Pinochet, in South Africa during the '70s and early '80s). This is an assault on democracy by abusing democratic means. And it's going to get much, much worse before it gets better. |
The Real Wizard 31.01.2017 02:28 |
Oscar J wrote: For the first time in history, according to The Economist Intelligence unit's Democracy Index, USA is no longer a "full democracy", but rather a "flawed democracy". link...not even in the top 20, with the powerhouses Uruguay, Mauritius, and Malta beating them out. And it clarifies that this is almost entirely not due to Trump, as the US has had plenty of flaws even before he stepped into the picture. I'm not the least bit surprised. For years I've said it - the US is a third world country dressed up as a developed one, and finally academics agree with me. And believe me, this isn't pride - it's part pity, and part empathy for everyone involved (even if they will be in denial of this when their kids are forced to speak Chinese). The emperor's clothes are off. We are witnessing the end of the American empire. |
Costa86 31.01.2017 04:15 |
I wouldn't include Malta in that comparison, simply because it's no surprise that Malta is a strong democracy. It's been an EU member state for 13 years, has a history of British-influenced political tradition, and has for most of its history been a country with a strong and liberal Western European culture. |
thomasquinn 32989 31.01.2017 05:04 |
The Real Wizard wrote: We are witnessing the end of the American empire.I sincerely hope you are wrong. I cannot think of a single instance in history where a major power, 'empire' if you wish, came to be replaced by another (set of) power(s) without major armed conflict resulting. |
thomasquinn 32989 31.01.2017 05:07 |
Costa86 wrote: I wouldn't include Malta in that comparison, simply because it's no surprise that Malta is a strong democracy. It's been an EU member state for 13 years, has a history of British-influenced political tradition, and has for most of its history been a country with a strong and liberal Western European culture.On the other hand, it is in a geographic place that puts it on the edge of a number of spheres of interest (Ottoman-Greek, Soviet-Western, Arabic/Turkic [not the same as Turkish], Europe-Africa-Asia, there are probably more). That could easily have resulted in a less stable democracy (like Cyprus). |
RStanton 31.01.2017 10:40 |
This guy is spot on: link 22,570 thumbs up v 564 thumbs down. |
Oscar J 31.01.2017 13:39 |
Yeah, because 22 570 racists and xenophobes can't be wrong, can they. As you've so perfectly illustrated, it's much easier (especially for stupid and/or uneducated and uninformed people) to just like and share a hate mongering old man's Youtube videos than to actually inform yourself about political issues and phrase some thoughts on your own. |
The Real Wizard 31.01.2017 13:50 |
RStanton wrote: This guy is spot on: link 22,570 thumbs up v 564 thumbs down.Because the majority has always been correct throughout history, right? In this case, the target audience of brainless racists are 98% of the people who watched it. A comment said: "As usual with Pat, he says what most of us feel." ^ and that's precisely what's wrong with America in 2017. It didn't say "what most of us THINK." It said "what most of us FEEL." Independent thought, ideas, and facts have been replaced with feelings. #AlternativeFacts are becoming the norm. Facts are now whatever we want them to be. Stephen Colbert's first episode was about "truthiness" - the truth that's in your gut instead of your brain. He called this over a decade ago. He joked about it then, but it's real now. |
RStanton 31.01.2017 14:33 |
Libtard baiting, it's a fun sport!!! "hate mongering old man" isn't that rather ageist? Maybe he has more life experience than you? |
Oscar J 31.01.2017 15:11 |
"Libtard". How does it feel to be so immensely stupid? Genuinely curious. I'm Swedish by the way. The liberal parties are to the right in our system, so your childish terms aren't really applicable. Regarding "ageism" - let's call him a grumpy and scared man full of despise, who just happens to be old. |
The Real Wizard 31.01.2017 16:48 |
RStanton wrote: Libtard baiting, it's a fun sport!!! "hate mongering old man" isn't that rather ageist? Maybe he has more life experience than you?Concerned about ageism but not racism? That's rich. Move along, son. |
RStanton 31.01.2017 17:08 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I was pointing out that Oscar J was concerned about racism but not about ageism, I didn't say if I was concerned or not.RStanton wrote: Libtard baiting, it's a fun sport!!! "hate mongering old man" isn't that rather ageist? Maybe he has more life experience than you?Concerned about ageism but not racism? That's rich. Move along, son. You move along, son. BTW isn't it ageist of you to refer to me as "son"? I'm also female so you're a misogynist as well - nice combination. |
The Real Wizard 31.01.2017 18:04 |
RStanton wrote: I was pointing out that Oscar J was concerned about racism but not about ageism.His age is irrelevant, as is your ad hominem / straw man package deal. All you're accomplishing here is revealing yourself to condone racism. Why are you trolling on a Queen forum if you have ten posts to your name? Are you being paid for this? You'd be better off taking your business to a news website. There are about 3 conservatives on this forum, so there's not much of a choir to preach to. And you're not going to convert thinking people to a world of cognitive dissonance and fear-based patriotism for a country they mostly don't live in. MOVE ALONG. |
RStanton 31.01.2017 18:47 |
Ah, if someone disagrees with you it's trolling...I see. At least you have removed your derogatory "son" comment in your latest post and Oscar J has rolled back on his "old man" hate speech - it's nice that I have been able to convert a couple of horrible ageists (and misogynist in your case), my work here is done! |
The Real Wizard 31.01.2017 21:22 |
You clearly don't understand the difference between disagreeing and trolling, and not just because you find the term "libtard baiting" appealing. Compound word. Liberal and retard. Really clever. You sound like you're 14. Name calling is no way to convince people who are smarter than you that you actually have a point to make. Which you haven't. But of course you're going to keep trying in your next post. |
BETA215 01.02.2017 00:06 |
Why do you keep answering him? You know that's bullshit or a different opinion which you don't agree with. You think you're gonna change his mind? NO, it won't happen. And stop answering to people which you don't agree with, please. They won't change and will search to be the ones right at any expense. Let this Queen forum be a Queen forum please, for the sake of our patience. |
andres_clip 01.02.2017 02:30 |
Oscar J wrote: "Libtard". How does it feel to be so immensely stupid? Genuinely curious. I'm Swedish by the way. The liberal parties are to the right in our system, so your childish terms aren't really applicable. Regarding "ageism" - let's call him a grumpy and scared man full of despise, who just happens to be old.Tjena Oscar Kul med en svensk till. ? |
thomasquinn 32989 01.02.2017 05:06 |
RStanton wrote: Ah, if someone disagrees with you it's trolling...I see. At least you have removed your derogatory "son" comment in your latest post and Oscar J has rolled back on his "old man" hate speech - it's nice that I have been able to convert a couple of horrible ageists (and misogynist in your case), my work here is done!Congratulations. You've just proven that you completely fail to understand the meaning of the word "misogynist". |
RStanton 01.02.2017 05:19 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Congratulations. You've just proven that you completely fail to understand the meaning of the phrase "taking the piss".RStanton wrote: Ah, if someone disagrees with you it's trolling...I see. At least you have removed your derogatory "son" comment in your latest post and Oscar J has rolled back on his "old man" hate speech - it's nice that I have been able to convert a couple of horrible ageists (and misogynist in your case), my work here is done!Congratulations. You've just proven that you completely fail to understand the meaning of the word "misogynist". As I clearly stated previously "Libtard baiting, it's a fun sport!!!" |
Oscar J 01.02.2017 06:46 |
It's well documented that people from older generations are more inclined to be conservative. I didn't put any sentiment into his age in itself, but found it relevant to identfy his persona. So yeah, reading comprehension fail on your part. But then we probably all know by now that you're just trying to draw the attention away from the alarming acts of racism currently going on in the US. Also, you do know that flame-baiting is basically the definition of trolling, right? So by your own admission, you're a troll. Not a very good one though. |
thomasquinn 32989 01.02.2017 08:09 |
RStanton wrote:Ah yes, the hard right's new response to being proven wrong/lying: we were joking and you didn't get the joke.thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Congratulations. You've just proven that you completely fail to understand the meaning of the phrase "taking the piss". As I clearly stated previously "Libtard baiting, it's a fun sport!!!"RStanton wrote: Ah, if someone disagrees with you it's trolling...I see. At least you have removed your derogatory "son" comment in your latest post and Oscar J has rolled back on his "old man" hate speech - it's nice that I have been able to convert a couple of horrible ageists (and misogynist in your case), my work here is done!Congratulations. You've just proven that you completely fail to understand the meaning of the word "misogynist". If only they'd known, the nazi camp guards wouldn't have said "but I didn't know", they'd have said "but I was killing the Jews ironically". |
Costa86 01.02.2017 08:53 |
Ageism? How about sexism. Donald Trump is a misogynist. He is a married to a beautiful woman, 24 years his junior, who is actually a tart from a backwoods town in Slovenia, and who obviously only married him because he's Donald Trump and he was her meal ticket. That alone tells you a lot about Donald Trump. |
AlbaNo1 01.02.2017 08:54 |
Do you need to be in a position of power and majority to be a racist . Or just to be accused of it. |
RStanton 01.02.2017 08:59 |
thomasqinn, Speaking of Jewish people you do realize that Israelis are banned from many Muslim countries, of course the left never protest hysterically about that? Such hypocrisy. Anyway, in deference to our greatest ever sharer (The Real Wizard) I am going to take his advice and “move along”, but I’ll leave you with this. Do you remember our second greatest sharer (pittrek) he was subject to a foul mouthed tirade over in the Personal section for expressing very mild views. In fact, YourValentine had to step in and reprimand the abuser regarding his vile language. It may have been a coincidence but he didn’t share much after that. The abuser disappeared for quite some time, I assume in shame and embarrassment. I can't quite remember the name of the abuser of one of our most valued contributors but I do recall he was a member of the Queenzone thought police… do you remember his name thomasquinn? Ah yes, I remember now it was thomasquinn wasn't it, shutting down free speech by swearing at people. |
Oscar J 01.02.2017 09:16 |
"Speaking of Jewish people you do realize that Israelis are banned from many Muslim countries, of course the left never protest hysterically about that?" Two wrongs don't make a right. Oh, and sharing stuff on Queenzone doesn't make you entitled to stating controversial opinions unopposed. Completely unrelated matters. |
The Real Wizard 01.02.2017 13:47 |
Oscar J wrote: "Speaking of Jewish people you do realize that Israelis are banned from many Muslim countries, of course the left never protest hysterically about that?" Two wrongs don't make a right.Correct - that's a straw man argument, and unfortunately, almost entirely how the right now operates. Deflect and distract. |
mike hunt 01.02.2017 18:16 |
Costa86 wrote: Ageism? How about sexism. Donald Trump is a misogynist. He is a married to a beautiful woman, 24 years his junior, who is actually a tart from a backwoods town in Slovenia, and who obviously only married him because he's Donald Trump and he was her meal ticket. That alone tells you a lot about Donald Trump.And why are the clintons still together? True love? |
mike hunt 01.02.2017 18:27 |
RStanton wrote: thomasqinn, Speaking of Jewish people you do realize that Israelis are banned from many Muslim countries, of course the left never protest hysterically about that? Such hypocrisy. Anyway, in deference to our greatest ever sharer (The Real Wizard) I am going to take his advice and “move along”, but I’ll leave you with this. Do you remember our second greatest sharer (pittrek) he was subject to a foul mouthed tirade over in the Personal section for expressing very mild views. In fact, YourValentine had to step in and reprimand the abuser regarding his vile language. It may have been a coincidence but he didn’t share much after that. The abuser disappeared for quite some time, I assume in shame and embarrassment. I can't quite remember the name of the abuser of one of our most valued contributors but I do recall he was a member of the Queenzone thought police… do you remember his name thomasquinn? Ah yes, I remember now it was thomasquinn wasn't it, shutting down free speech by swearing at people.Yup, typical Liberal! |
Costa86 02.02.2017 03:45 |
mike hunt wrote:The Clintons are far from being the ideal couple, and Hilary Clinton was far from being an ideal presidential candidate. Which is why she lost to Donald Trump. A strong candidate would have beaten Trump. And that is the tragedy.Costa86 wrote: Ageism? How about sexism. Donald Trump is a misogynist. He is a married to a beautiful woman, 24 years his junior, who is actually a tart from a backwoods town in Slovenia, and who obviously only married him because he's Donald Trump and he was her meal ticket. That alone tells you a lot about Donald Trump.And why are the clintons still together? True love? |
mike hunt 02.02.2017 06:27 |
Finally we agree on something Mr. Costa! |
AlbaNo1 02.02.2017 08:59 |
Costa86 wrote: Ageism? How about sexism. Donald Trump is a misogynist. He is a married to a beautiful woman, 24 years his junior, who is actually a tart from a backwoods town in Slovenia, and who obviously only married him because he's Donald Trump and he was her meal ticket. That alone tells you a lot about Donald Trump.Any irony in calling Trump a sexist misogynist at the same time as calling his woman a" tart"? Just saying...... |
thomasquinn 32989 02.02.2017 12:07 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:Do you or do you not degree that she made a number of career decisions that at the least are in proximity to being prostitution?Costa86 wrote: Ageism? How about sexism. Donald Trump is a misogynist. He is a married to a beautiful woman, 24 years his junior, who is actually a tart from a backwoods town in Slovenia, and who obviously only married him because he's Donald Trump and he was her meal ticket. That alone tells you a lot about Donald Trump.Any irony in calling Trump a sexist misogynist at the same time as calling his woman a" tart"? Just saying...... |
Costa86 02.02.2017 13:17 |
^Exactly, that's what I meant by tart in fact. |
que.123 03.02.2017 05:49 |
If Geert Wilders (the Dutch Donald Trump) wins the election in March I imagine Thomas Quinn will be in full melt down mode!!! (His profile says he is from The Netherlands). I believe Wilders is ahead in the polls at the moment. |
Oscar J 03.02.2017 07:53 |
A melt down is a reasonable response to right wing extremists taking power in a country. |
The Real Wizard 03.02.2017 13:19 |
que.123 wrote: If Geert Wilders (the Dutch Donald Trump)Until March 15, can we just use the term "Dutch Drumpf" for comedic effect? |
thomasquinn 32989 06.02.2017 05:10 |
que.123 wrote: If Geert Wilders (the Dutch Donald Trump) wins the election in March I imagine Thomas Quinn will be in full melt down mode!!! (His profile says he is from The Netherlands). I believe Wilders is ahead in the polls at the moment.Yeah, no. You clearly don't know how a multi-party parliamentary democracy works - even if he manages to get as many seats in the election as he does in the polls (which he's never done before, and he's been around for 12 years), that would still leave him with only about 20% of the seats in parliament (30 out of 150, his highest number in any of the recent polls). And since no other party wants to work with him (except maybe the orthodox protestant party, which has all of 3 seats), that's where it ends. Which is exactly what he wants, since over the past decade he's been bending over backwards to avoid having to actually take responsibility. |
Barry Durex 23.04.2017 05:07 |
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thomasquinn 32989 23.04.2017 06:20 |
Apologies for dramatically overstating Geert Wilders' electoral results in my prediction - he managed to get a whopping 20 seats in a 150-seat parliament. Looks like all those 'hidden Wilders-voters' who kept their intended votes secret managed to keep their votes secret from the electoral commission as well. |
The Real Wizard 24.04.2017 01:27 |
Thank goodness rationality prevailed, at least in your country. But methinks the right-leaning populism as a whole isn't going away any time soon. |
Costa86 24.04.2017 07:32 |
Doesn't seem to have prevailed in France. We'll see on May 7th during the second round. But it's amazing that the French are close to electing a fascist. Did they already forget when their lovely country was occupied by what was basically the (very) far right? The Free French Forces must be rolling in their graves. |
RS_Protos 24.04.2017 08:25 |
Fascist? why such labels when it's someone you don't agree with? I can see how great Europe has become with the far left mentality. |
Costa86 24.04.2017 09:13 |
Far right and far left are both equally awful. Le Pen's party has fascist origins. When her father founded it in the early 1970s, his intentions were to consolidate the various far right parties in France into one. Their main ideology concerned a hatred for non-French migrants, mostly North Africans. If you look deep enough into Le Pen's party, you'll find people who see Hitler as a hero. |
RS_Protos 24.04.2017 09:16 |
"If you look deep enough into Le Pen's party, you'll find people who see Hitler as a hero. " I didn't know that, if that's true then I agree with you, that is pathetic! |
thomasquinn 32989 24.04.2017 10:29 |
RS_Protos wrote: "If you look deep enough into Le Pen's party, you'll find people who see Hitler as a hero. " I didn't know that, if that's true then I agree with you, that is pathetic!IF that is true? Seriously, why are you giving your opinion if you don't know anything about the subject? The Front National was founded as a refuge for everyone on the far right who was barred from the more decent right-wing parties: former nazi-sympathizers, followers of Petain, reactionaries who supported the '58 coup against the French president (De Gaulle, the man who led the Free French. Guess who were behind the coup?), etc. There are many parties in Europe that were once refuges for former nazis. There are very few parties like the Front National, though, in that it has a 100% unsavory history with all the worst parts of the far right that nobody else wanted to be associated with brought together in one group. |
thomasquinn 32989 24.04.2017 10:38 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Thank goodness rationality prevailed, at least in your country. But methinks the right-leaning populism as a whole isn't going away any time soon.In The Netherlands, It's been around in its modern form for about 15 years. In various forms, it's been around for as long as politics has - literally, there are forms of it in Roman and Greek classical history. The good news from my country seems to be that it doesn't seem to have much more growth potential. It's the fear of these populists that tends to make them big - and now that we've been stuck with Wilders for so long, he doesn't impress so many people so much anymore. |
The Real Wizard 24.04.2017 12:56 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:"I am all for everyone having a voice, I just don't think everyone has earned the microphone. And that's what the Internet has done." -- Aaron SorkinRS_Protos wrote: "If you look deep enough into Le Pen's party, you'll find people who see Hitler as a hero. " I didn't know that, if that's true then I agree with you, that is pathetic!IF that is true? Seriously, why are you giving your opinion if you don't know anything about the subject? |
RS_Protos 24.04.2017 13:55 |
Oh boy, quotes-lecture time :), all good though. But yes, i'm little behind in the French politics, been a little busy in the US politics, :), will have to do some research. |
thomasquinn 32989 25.04.2017 04:14 |
RS_Protos wrote: Oh boy, quotes-lecture time :), all good though. But yes, i'm little behind in the French politics, been a little busy in the US politics, :), will have to do some research.YOU say "Fascist? why such labels when it's someone you don't agree with? I can see how great Europe has become with the far left mentality.", then you admit that you don't have a clue. If you don't know what you're talking about, perhaps you shouldn't make such statements, hmm? |
RS_Protos 26.04.2017 08:08 |
True, you are right, sorry |
MisterCosmicc 14.02.2018 02:05 |
Too much Trump in here courtesy of Mike Hunt. Trump’s yearlong presidency is a joke. |
MisterCosmicc 14.02.2018 02:05 |
Too much Trump in here courtesy of Mike Hunt. Trump’s yearlong presidency is a joke. |
AlexRocks 17.02.2018 03:34 |
Except that it is not. So far, so good! :) |
MisterCosmicc 25.03.2018 08:45 |
Why would Freddie create videos about AIDS and then start singing on them? Sounds stupid. |