| huhnad 21.09.2016 14:41 |
For as long as I can remember, I've been a superfan of the band, and every time I think about Brian and Roger going out on tour as 'Queen' with a stand-in vocalist, I shudder a bit; obviously the group can't relive its glory days missing its most valuable component, but I credit everyone involved in the current production for its success, staying power (heh) and especially May/Taylor for dealing with relatively grueling tour schedules at their age. I approached QAL with some reservations, and while the collaboration had a rocky start in 2012, I felt that it matured into an incredibly professional joint effort by the time the North American tour took flight. It eventually became clear that Adam was respectful of the band's legacy, and therefore that the mudslinging on our side (hardcore Queen fans) IMO was groundless on this reality. Now, I didn't come here to start a fight or judge/compare Adam on his own merits, but rather to garner a discussion on the current state of the group. In the North American tour and the UK/Europe dates that soon followed, there seemed to be an energy relatively unseen in the revivals of great bands. Perhaps this could be attributed to Lambert and his youth and vitality, but the positive energy and passion were abound. Just look at this clip of BR from the South American tour as an example: link But as of late, it is starting to seem that this is waning. Of course, you can't make judgments based on one (or even just a handful) of the shows, but that same spirit is fading away. It was almost sad to watch Brian seem to labor through some of the solos he performed with ease not too long ago (current Japanese tour version of IWBTLY vs. last Japanese tour). Now this is just a single example, and of course we can't discount age, but watching the whole band (Adam, Spike and even Rufus included) fight to keep it together during the current tour has somewhat caught me off guard. I'm glad Brian and Roger are happy and enjoy keeping the fans happy, but has QAL run its course, or is it just me? Reasonable discussion welcome... |
| cmsdrums 21.09.2016 14:45 |
I must agree on what I've seen of the latest trek so far - laboured and lacking in excitement. I see Brian has given an interview saying something like 'we plan to do something different next year', so I wait with baited breathe; hopefully some scaled down shows playing the 'deep cuts' for fans, either with or without Adam.... |
| mr mason 21.09.2016 15:07 |
Here goes the 'deep cuts'wish list thread again!Everything since 'Made in Heaven' has been a pale imitation,i made the mistake of seeing 'Queen + Paul Rodgers' live and it was just a pale imitation,'Freddie' would be disgusted(as is John) that 'Brian'&'Roger' have just prostituted themselves like so many other groups!They are 50% of (in our opinion) the greatest band in history,50% OF Queen + Adam Lambert, or Paul Rogers, is not worth spending £80-350 on seeing someone other than 'Freddie' sing the 'Queen' catalogue,and 'Brian' saying he(Adam Lambert') can hit the notes better than 'Freddie',what a cunt! |
| Ivo-1976 21.09.2016 15:14 |
What fun is playing the same songs over and over again. Queen used to be all about creativity, they would always come up with something new and original. Brian and Roger are not to blame. Most guys of their age are retired and are taking it easy. I don't think they have a lot of tours left in them. Maybe we should enjoy it as it is, this may be their farewell tour. |
| huhnad 21.09.2016 15:29 |
I've also noticed that almost every time they try to experiment with something fresh, it gets dropped almost immediately. Earlier this summer, they tried "The Hero" for the first few shows, then it went away. This month, they added "KYA" and "Dragon Attack", then it was gone the next night. |
| NickESB 21.09.2016 17:27 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: What fun is playing the same songs over and over again. Queen used to be all about creativity, they would always come up with something new and original. Brian and Roger are not to blame. Most guys of their age are retired and are taking it easy. I don't think they have a lot of tours left in them. Maybe we should enjoy it as it is, this may be their farewell tour.Queen used to be about creativity? When it comes to setlists, that's factually inaccurate. Work back on the tours. 86 - those AKOM Tracks that were played stayed in every show. Couple of them are regulars at the AL shows plus played with QPR. 84/85 - of The Works material played, Ga Ga, HTF and Break Free stayed until 86. Regulars on the AL shows, plus played with QPR. 81/82 - Under Pressure stayed in until 86. A regular on the AL shows, plus played by QPR. Then look at stuff like Now I'm Here (QAL 2014 opener), TYMD (played at nearly every QAL and QPR show), FBG (as per TYMD, even if Queen dropped it for their final tours), LOML, Bo Rhap, Guitar Solo, WWRY/WATC. These were all played regularly on Queen tours, year on year on year once released. Honestly, the most enjoyable thing about the recent QAL shows is those things like The Hero, Save Me and Stone Cold Crazy that weren't played by QPR/on the Magic Tour. Then there's the fact the Japan ALWAYS gets Teo and Born To Love you. |
| Holly2003 22.09.2016 01:46 |
I hadn't seen the footage of IWBTLY from the last Japanese tour. It's surprisingly good. However, Brian's solo on the current Japanese tour version of IWBTLY is laughably bad! He seems to have these brain farts every now and again e.g. a solo performance of STL in Holland a few years back, and further back, the terrible final solo he played on Save Me at Hammersmith 79. |
| . 22.09.2016 03:22 |
For me there was no magic to start with. |
| master marathon runner 22.09.2016 06:35 |
..............exactly /\ |
| Sebastian 22.09.2016 07:06 |
Thousands love it, some hate it, some don't really mind either way. I'm glad Maylor are still doing what they love and are getting paid massive amounts of well-deserved money for that. That said, whenever I've had the chance to see them, I've passed, and I'm glad I did: that way someone else could take my place and enjoy the gig way more than I ever would. It's a win-win-win situation. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 22.09.2016 07:39 |
^^^ Bingo. |
| Vocal harmony 22.09.2016 09:41 |
Valid points which I certainly don't disagree with. However I've seen this lineup and I have to say I enjoyed it more than the PR version. My only criticisms are the, now boring, predictable setlist and the lack of genuine long rehearsal time |
| musicland munich 22.09.2016 10:49 |
The Horse is dead ! The Q+PR shit was a complete disaster. Nowadays they hit the the Broadway with a professional but boring production. |
| Mr. Bed Guy 22.09.2016 11:50 |
I haven't seen QAL live and never was interested to do that. Other cover bands are cheaper. What about a "Cross" reunion?! Absolutely possible and a true fan thing.... Does Roger need any money? so....come on |
| Vocal harmony 22.09.2016 13:30 |
^^^ why is Q+AL any more a cover band than Deep Purple after Gillan left or Sabbath when Dio and then Gillan joined or Steve Perry leaving Journey or Fish being replaced etc |
| Pim Derks 22.09.2016 13:38 |
Purple/Sabbath/Marillion stayed creative and put out new work. |
| user1 22.09.2016 15:23 |
Queen+ never had any magic. Adam Lambert was a bad Freddie imitator from day one on. |
| Your Fairy King 22.09.2016 15:50 |
NickESB wrote: Queen used to be about creativity? When it comes to setlists, that's factually inaccurate. Work back on the tours. .Prior to 1980, absolutely. Listen to or watch the News of the World tour. |
| The Real Wizard 22.09.2016 18:02 |
mr mason wrote: 'Brian' saying he(Adam Lambert') can hit the notes better than 'Freddie',what a cunt!You may not like the idea, but it's still a fact. Mercury's range usually didn't come on the road with him, but Lambert nails it every night. Find us another male singer who can do Who Wants To Live Forever like the album, in key. Mercury couldn't. Nobody else can. Showmanship, artistic prowess, all the rest, is another subject altogether, of course. But all opinions aside, this is a fact - Lambert hits notes that Mercury couldn't hit live. |
| brunogorski 22.09.2016 18:49 |
The Real Wizard wrote:[End of Discussion]mr mason wrote: 'Brian' saying he(Adam Lambert') can hit the notes better than 'Freddie',what a cunt!You may not like the idea, but it's still a fact. Mercury's range usually didn't come on the road with him, but Lambert nails it every night. Find us another male singer who can do Who Wants To Live Forever like the album, in key. Mercury couldn't. Nobody else can. Showmanship, artistic prowess, all the rest, is another subject altogether, of course. But all opinions aside, this is a fact - Lambert hits notes that Mercury couldn't hit live. |
| matt z 23.09.2016 01:52 |
you all forgot to mention Adam's timbre. His voice is thin and only suited to the power ballads/melancholy songs. He sounds like a kid singing others. He sounds RIDICULOUS doing Dragon Attack. but ..... anyways |
| cmsdrums 23.09.2016 03:45 |
A lot of people think that Martel would be the right man to tour/record with - has the range, but also the tone. I can see why BM/RT want to steer clear of that option though in order to not attract the 'he's just a Freddie imitator accusations. At the end of the day, it is what it is....and sadly we are reaching the tipping point where with them playing massive stadium/festival/arena tours that bands half their age couldn't do, the weak point isn't actually Adam, but Brian and Roger!! |
| Togg 23.09.2016 05:00 |
Personally I'm rather bored of hearing all this, if you wish to see them stop performing you will get your wish soon, Rogers hands are now pretty swollen with arthritis as a recent photo showed, so he certainly wont be playing as much in the coming years, hoperfully another 2-3 tops I'd say. As for set list being the same.... what a joke, look at the old sets from the mid seventies onwards they played the same stuff over and over, Freddie used to miss notes not only while singing but on the piano too it happens it's called being a live performer, if you have ever learnt to play an instrument you will quickly find you NEVER play perfectly, nobody does, I've seen pretty well every guitarist of note fluff notes I'd say this is the most energised they have been in decades, in 80 they were blasting out, 82 was good but getting a bit less energy 84 was frankly a tribute band, 86 was the last big tour and they seemed on great form but Deacon was clearly suffering and Freddie seemed to want it to end, those were my personal views of shows I saw, I've seen them with PR and Adam, and frankly not since 1980 have I seen them so upbeat Adam works for me he can hit notes Freddie struggled to live and is in my opinion the very essence of what Freddie was doing I suggest see them now, it's the closest to classic Queen you will see |
| AlbaNo1 23.09.2016 05:39 |
Great post Togg. Interesting to hear from the perspective of a real musician who has seen the band live in different eras. I've no problem in principle with Queen+ as it's clearly marked that the singer isn't part of the band and replacing Freddie. Problem is Lambert hitting the notes sounds worse to me than Freddie missing them. If Freddie missed something he would usually recover in grand style on the next line. The tempo was a lot faster too in the original band. |
| Costa86 23.09.2016 06:25 |
I saw them in 2015. I mostly went to the show because I wanted to see Roger and Brian live and singing together as a Queen band, and I am appreciative of that chance. Brian's guitar sounded fantastic still. Roger was not as explosive, and obviously not close to as good as he was, but he still put on a good show, even if Rufus played for about half of the show. I'm not really a fan of Lambert's voice, but I think he's doing a good job of being Queen's lead singer. He hits all the right notes, but, like several other people, I just don't like the tone of his voice - it lacks depth and I just don't like the sound of it. But he's by no means a bad singer. I don't think Queen+AL are a tribute band. They're a bit more than that. And they're the best you can get now that Freddie is dead and John has retired. And it's good that those who never saw the real Queen get at least to see Brian and Roger playing their old songs. It won't last forever, so I'm happy to see those two still going at it. In a few years it will all be over. |
| Holly2003 23.09.2016 06:35 |
The point about timbre is important and often ignored by AL fans. Also, cats can hit high notes, but I don't see any major touring bands hiring 'Mittens', 'Garfield' or 'Tiger' as their lead singer. Except for maybe in Japan. |
| john bodega 23.09.2016 08:07 |
"Mercury couldn't. Nobody else can" LOADS of people can. It's whether they 'should' or not. Notions such as tone, or the breadth of a voice - Lambert is like a tiny mouse trying to make itself heard over an orchestra, especially when they try to open with a big song like One Vision. Mouse farts, that's all. I'm getting a little sick of the sound of him 'searching' for notes, too - especially during songs like the aforementioned WWTLF. Bottom line - he sounds like Oprah on helium trying to squeeze a shit out, half of the time, and spends more time practicing his catwalk moves than respecting the music. The experiment has run its course, I'm just waiting for Brian to get bored now. |
| john bodega 23.09.2016 08:10 |
"He hits all the right notes" He hits them, but he also hits other notes in a sort of shotgun spray. He's a little too comfortable with a kind of musical collateral damage, especially when he's throwing in his meangingless "I've been on Idol!" scales and ad-libs. I just have no time for it anymore. I like to check in on the current shows and skip to stuff that's just Brian and Roger to see how they're holding up. |
| Vocal harmony 23.09.2016 09:16 |
Not only does Lambert hit the notes, as Wizzard and Togg have said, but he is also more consistent than Freddie live. Timbre is a point worth mentioning, but how many Rush fans would complain that Geddy's voice is thin and lack power within some of it's range..it's important but this is not Wagner at The Royal Opera House! Because Queen's music covers such vast ground filling Freddie's shoes to any degree is a big ask. With Lambert they certainly seem to feel more able to cover more than they did with PR. As far as the tempo of some songs, in the late 70's live songs were being played much faster than the recorded work, to the point where during The Crazy Tour I thought that RT may have been fuelled by Bolivian jungle powder! I haven't sat down to listen closely and work this out, but while they may have slowed down, are they any slower than the recorded versions |
| QueenTwo 23.09.2016 11:04 |
The Real Wizard wrote: mr mason wrote: 'Brian' saying he(Adam Lambert') can hit the notes better than 'Freddie',what a cunt! You may not like the idea, but it's still a fact. Mercury's range usually didn't come on the road with him, but Lambert nails it every night. Find us another male singer who can do Who Wants To Live Forever like the album, in key. Mercury couldn't. Nobody else can. Showmanship, artistic prowess, all the rest, is another subject altogether, of course. But all opinions aside, this is a fact - Lambert hits notes that Mercury couldn't hit live. You may or not want to believe this guy's....but now the band are heavily using AUTO-TUNE.....that's a true fact, some parts are not live either, Adam during the sound check is no where half as good as he is when the concert starts....So if you know what auto-tune is it can make anyone sound good, it's a very sad day now because lot's of artists use it... |
| Oscar J 23.09.2016 16:35 |
Adam has a rather bland sounding voice to me. While he can sing the pitches of WWTLF (There are plenty of other male singers able to reach tenor high D's by the way), it lacks in both power and texture. Having that said, Freddie never did that song too well either, live. |
| Day dop 23.09.2016 23:43 |
I don't really think of Queen+ as an incarnation of Queen at all. I mostly think of them as a tribute act now. |
| Day dop 24.09.2016 00:04 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Not only does Lambert hit the notes, as Wizzard and Togg have said, but he is also more consistent than Freddie live.Far more consistent than Freddie at what? Being screechy? Or cringe worthy? Even when Freddie had bad nights due to his vocal cord nodules - the tone of his voice was still much more pleasing on the ears than Lambert's. None of that grating screeching that Lambert does. It's just harsh and nauseating. Roger Taylor could also hit the high notes better than Freddie. Would I class Roger Taylor as one of the greats as a singer though? Not really. Although, he has a far more authentic sounding voice than Lambert, who to me, sounds like just another X Factor singer, albeit one of the ones that can hit the notes (although, it's harsh on the ears). |
| Day dop 24.09.2016 00:14 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Mike Patton. He's a far more versatile singer than Lambert. and Patton has a far bigger range (so it wouldn't be a problem for him at all).mr mason wrote: 'Brian' saying he(Adam Lambert') can hit the notes better than 'Freddie',what a cunt!Find us another male singer who can do Who Wants To Live Forever like the album, in key. Mercury couldn't. Nobody else can. And Freddie around Lambert's age, on a good night (like here > link would've hit the notes just fine. Then, his voice would've been better than Patton's imo (Freddie's voice still edges out Mike Patton's - for me - as I prefer the sound of Freddie's voice). |
| cmsdrums 24.09.2016 04:49 |
Danny Vaughn would be able to handle the vocals in full chest voice - not that he would be on the band's radar mind |
| cmsdrums 24.09.2016 04:52 |
QueenTwo wrote: Adam during the sound check is no where half as good as he is when the concert starts....So if you know what auto-tune is it can make anyone sound good, it's a very sad day now because lot's of artists use it...You're clearly not au fait with what a soundcheck entails, the purpose of it, that the band (and certainly the vocalist) will not be going 'full pelt'. AL will not have done his pre show warm up until later, which will make a huge difference to 'hitting the ground running' at show time. |
| AlbaNo1 24.09.2016 05:14 |
Oscar J wrote: Adam has a rather bland sounding voice to me. While he can sing the pitches of WWTLF (There are plenty of other male singers able to reach tenor high D's by the way), it lacks in both power and texture. Having that said, Freddie never did that song too well either, live.I love Freddies versions of WWTLF at Budapest and Wembley. Has loads of power and emotion,even if it's different to the recorded version Lambert version at Isle of Wight was supposed to be great but I found it very under whelming |
| mike hunt 25.09.2016 18:00 |
Being a great singer doesn't mean hitting the highest notes. Adam hits the notes and all, but is missing that something. I personally don't like his voice high notes and all. He also hits higher notes than Paul Rodgers, but Rodgers is clearly a better singer. Shove those high notes up your ass MR. Wizzard. You know nothing about what makes a singer great. |
| mike hunt 25.09.2016 18:14 |
What Queen should have done after Made In Heaven? I personally think Brian and Roger had some music left In them, John was still open on making new music, that's when Queen + could have been good. Imagine if Brian and Roger never put out those Forgettable solo albums and they focused on putting out a Queen + album in the late 90's? How good it could have been. The best songs from Back to the light, Another World, Happiness And Electric Fire with Brian and Roger singing songs that fit their voice, plus guest singers that could have sang songs like Back to the light that required a singer with Range, something Brian couldn't handle. Now it's too late, they look sad performing these days with Adam with all due respect. |
| Doga 26.09.2016 00:15 |
mike hunt wrote: Imagine if Brian and Roger never put out those Forgettable solo albums...Have you listen to "Another World"? Nothing forgettable about it. Not the most popular album but is a brilliant piece of work. And they are making new music, Roger had a new album no so long ago, and both are making scores for movies. Granted, not everyone's cup of tea. |
| mike hunt 26.09.2016 07:45 |
Yea, I have both Brian albums. I like about 4 songs on Another World. The title Track and wilderness are standouts for me. I'm not saying these albums are bad, but under the Queen Name and the Input of Roger and John they could have put out something real good. It's a shame a great piece of music like last Horizon has to be lost on a solo album only die hard fans remember. My problem with Brian solo is his vocals in spots, singing songs that required range. Easily would of been been fixed with the Queen + guest singer they would have hired. Roger solo especially would have Improved with Brian and John. And please, don't defend the little music they released since 1995. No on but you was nice, maybe 2 or 3 songs on Cosmo Rocks was good, but I think most will agree as a recording band the Queen + was a failure. Other bands like Sabbath hired Dio and was successful because they were still young when they did it. |
| The Real Wizard 26.09.2016 09:30 |
mike hunt wrote: Being a great singer doesn't mean hitting the highest notes. Adam hits the notes and all, but is missing that something. I personally don't like his voice high notes and all. He also hits higher notes than Paul Rodgers, but Rodgers is clearly a better singer. Shove those high notes up your ass MR. Wizzard. You know nothing about what makes a singer great.Still a troll after all these years... You read my post, but conveniently glazed over this part: The Real Wizard wrote: Showmanship, artistic prowess, all the rest, is another subject altogether, of courseAnd you still haven't learned how to put a sentence together. If you're going to impress all the schoolyard bullies by attempting to insult someone, at least spell their name properly. |
| mike hunt 26.09.2016 11:31 |
Not a troll and bully sir! |
| AlbaNo1 26.09.2016 13:26 |
The consensus seems to be that Adam technically hit some difficult nights but is still horrible to listen to. That's the consensus because it's true. |
| mike hunt 26.09.2016 15:54 |
Of course it's true! I have nothing against the guy, but he sounds like an amateur most of the time. |
| mike hunt 26.09.2016 16:17 |
I'm not being a bully or troll, and I'm not saying this because I'm a freddie fan boy, I just tell it the way it is. I personally think only a Brian and Roger fan boy would defend their every move. It's time to call it a day, their not being creative anymore. This is coming from a big Brian May fan. |
| Sebastian 26.09.2016 20:38 |
Not everyone who likes the tour with Adam is a deluded stepford who would welcome anything with the Queen name and logo regardless of its contents, and not everyone who doesn't like Adam is a narrow-minded living-in-the-past homophobe who's too purist to even entertain the idea of someone teaming up with a loser from a reality programme. Some people genuinely like or dislike Adam and we're entitled to it. |
| mike hunt 26.09.2016 23:27 |
Yea, but some people on Queenzone, without mentioning names loves everything Brian and Roger do. Even if they know it's not good, it's almost like he works for Brian May. I'm a huge Mercury fan, my favorite singer but I have no problem saying Hot Space didn't work. What was he thinking releasing MR. Bad Guy ? Get my point? |
| The Real Wizard 28.09.2016 01:24 |
mike hunt wrote: I'm not being a bully or trollSo the inflammatory remarks above were written by someone with your user name and the same post count? People aren't as stupid as you think they are. |
| The Real Wizard 28.09.2016 01:31 |
mike hunt wrote: Yea, but some people on Queenzone, without mentioning names loves everything Brian and Roger do. Even if they know it's not good, it's almost like he works for Brian May.Subtle... Your black and white view of the world hinders you in ways you can't realize. Sebastian had provided a more diplomatic explanation than I'm willing to give you. |
| Makka 28.09.2016 04:07 |
I saw Queen + Adam Lambert here in Perth in 2014 and I must say I really enjoyed it. Obviously I was there to see Brian & Roger in the flesh as it was the first time I'd had the chance to see them. I took the show for what it was. Obviously no Freddie or John but they did put on a really polished show. Adam certainly has a good set of pipes on him but I did find him a bit too camp for my liking, even more so than Freddie used to be. That would be my only down side. If they are still enjoying playing and people are still paying to see them then why not? That's what musicians do and they love it. |
| Vocal harmony 28.09.2016 05:07 |
^^^^ this. Wizard and Sebastian you're both making more sense than the more narrow minded view of some! |
| Holly2003 28.09.2016 06:01 |
They're a good tribute b(r)and and certainly very professional at adding millions more to their already huge stacks of cash. I'm not sure why they hate Trump so much: they're both doing the same thing -- taking a fake show out on tour to generate publicity for their business empire. Maybe Trump didn't pay them enough. |
| Ivo-1976 28.09.2016 06:37 |
It is what it is. 2 members from a 70's and 80's (and a little bit of 90's) band on a revival greatest hits tour. There is no intention whatsoever to create new songs or albums. Just give the crowd what they want and take the money. I did visit a Queen+Paul Rogers show in 2005, I liked it because it had some freshness and felt genuine. There was a real buzz about the guys touring again after all those years. 10 years later, that magic seems to be gone. But I don't blame them for it. It is their life and their music (well, sort of). I would love to see John involved for one more time, maybe a one of performance or a goodbye show. For the rest I can't be bothered. |
| raucousmonster 28.09.2016 08:34 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: It is what it is. 2 members from a 70's and 80's (and a little bit of 90's) band on a revival greatest hits tour. There is no intention whatsoever to create new songs or albums. Just give the crowd what they want and take the money. I did visit a Queen+Paul Rogers show in 2005, I liked it because it had some freshness and felt genuine. There was a real buzz about the guys touring again after all those years. 10 years later, that magic seems to be gone. But I don't blame them for it. It is their life and their music (well, sort of). I would love to see John involved for one more time, maybe a one of performance or a goodbye show. For the rest I can't be bothered.I agree. Queen as a creative force ended in 1991 sadly. But BM & RT are still entitled to play their tunes if that's what moves them and there will always be plenty of people who want to see them - even if they're currently touring with not much more than a Broadway style singer lacking with an impressive range but the wrong feel for a rock band. I saw the Belfast show in 2005 with Paul Rodgers and went reluctantly as I was given a free ticket. But I was blown away. It wasn't Queen but it was close enough and I didn't want new songs from them, just the hits and the show was better than anything else I'd seen recently. There IS a less special feeling about the tours these days in my view but if folk want to see it then it's all good. |
| Negative Creep 28.09.2016 09:06 |
I don't agree their creativity ended in '91. MIH and NOBU were great. They were still creatively minded until they realised they could make more money with a fucking play. Simple as that. Roger could have had quite a fruitful solo career after Electric Fire - but why tour 2000 and less capacity venues when you can just sit back and watch the money roll in from something that barely involved yourself! |
| Ivo-1976 28.09.2016 09:44 |
True - MIH was nice, The solo attempts in the 90's weren't all that bad either. It's just a shame they didn't start touring until 2005. They could've kicked serious ass in the 90's as a live band. Back then there were quite some great singers that would've joined them. |
| raucousmonster 28.09.2016 10:56 |
Negative Creep wrote: I don't agree their creativity ended in '91. MIH and NOBU were great. They were still creatively minded until they realised they could make more money with a fucking play. Simple as that. Roger could have had quite a fruitful solo career after Electric Fire - but why tour 2000 and less capacity venues when you can just sit back and watch the money roll in from something that barely involved yourself!I don't say their creativity ended, more that Queen as a creative force ended, or at least was drastically diminished. They can still produce good music (I agree NOBU was great and MIH was quite good) but I think the drive to do so isn't there the way it was before as the band Queen. Solo-wise, yes maybe. But I think BM & RT know that Queen has said pretty much everything it's going to say musically apart from a few rereleases and archival finds here and there. And that's fine. But they can still play the songs live and seem happy to do so for the millions who, like me, never had the chance to see them in their prime. |
| Oscar J 28.09.2016 11:07 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: True - MIH was nice, The solo attempts in the 90's weren't all that bad either. It's just a shame they didn't start touring until 2005. They could've kicked serious ass in the 90's as a live band. Back then there were quite some great singers that would've joined them. Agreed, it would have been a different situation if they started much earlier - when Brian still had his guitar chops from his solo work and Roger didn't drag every number due to his arthritis. Also John was definitely more keen on continuing as Queen back then. I find it a little sad to watch/listen to their lacklustre performances of songs like DSMN or SCC. The latter now clocks in at about 210-215 bpm, which is about 35 bpm down on the studio version, and, what, 70 down on mid 70s live versions? They don't have their sonic volcano anymore. They don't have Freddie, which is an equally serious loss. They do have Brian, doing his routine clichés, but very little else. They have a singer who some people like, and some don't. I am genuinely interested: other than Lambert, what is there to experience at their concerts? Hearing the old hits you love? Seeing Brian and Roger on stage? The atmosphere? |
| Holly2003 28.09.2016 12:44 |
When did they originally decide to speed up Now I'm Here? The Live Killers performance -- why it's almost as if they were on cocaine! ;) |
| Doga 28.09.2016 13:17 |
Oscar J wrote:I am genuinely interested: other than Lambert, what is there to experience at their concerts? Hearing the old hits you love? Seeing Brian and Roger on stage? The atmosphere?...even just that is a lot. |
| mike hunt 28.09.2016 15:00 |
So If you don't like Adams Voice your narrow minded? I'm not a big Queen + paul fan, but at least he was on the same level as Queen. The show I saw in 06 was good. They tried and failed to be creative with TCR. |
| mike hunt 28.09.2016 15:10 |
The Real Wizard wrote:yea, I Agree with Sebastian but I have seen him critisize all four members of the group and praise them as well. Are you capable of critisizing Brian May? He's my favorite guitarist, love his sound, but I'm not a fan of his work over the last 30 years, aside of a few moments. Roger was the highlight of the Rodgers tour.mike hunt wrote: Yea, but some people on Queenzone, without mentioning names loves everything Brian and Roger do. Even if they know it's not good, it's almost like he works for Brian May.Subtle... Your black and white view of the world hinders you in ways you can't realize. Sebastian had provided a more diplomatic explanation than I'm willing to give you. |
| The Real Wizard 28.09.2016 15:14 |
Holly2003 wrote: They're a good tribute b(r)and and certainly very professional at adding millions more to their already huge stacks of cash. I'm not sure why they hate Trump so much: they're both doing the same thing -- taking a fake show out on tour to generate publicity for their business empire. Maybe Trump didn't pay them enough.You didn't just compare a rock band to a racist xenophobic demagogue, right? |
| AlbaNo1 28.09.2016 16:21 |
A rock band that played Sun City, perceived by the music industry as condoning apartheid, and has a history of tax avoidance? Similarities abound. |
| Day dop 28.09.2016 20:58 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: A rock band that played Sun City, perceived by the music industry as condoning apartheid, and has a history of tax avoidance? Similarities abound.Seriously? Playing at Sun City made them racists? What they were perceived as and what they were / are is two entirely different things (I hope you're joking here). As for tax avoidance, they did nothing illegal, and you can pin that one on many artists, and with how much they have to pay, I can't say I really blame them. They were also a rock band with a singer who was an immigrant himself, and a rock group who've been very charitable, unlike Trump, who apparently, hasn't been very charitable whatsoever. Plus, Trump rips people off, I don't recall Queen ever doing so. I don't think there's "similarities abound" at all. Far from it. But again, hopefully you're joking. |
| AlbaNo1 29.09.2016 02:49 |
Queen are amoral at best when it comes to commercial matters. While operating at peak I do not recall any charitable actions by Queen. Playing Sun City was perceived at condoning ,or at best, acquiescing with apartheid regime. They were ruthless in trying to get success and only adopted this lightweight pop star liberalism in later years. Also the Bulsuras must have got automatic British citizenship , being from a protectorate Probably easier than for Trumps mother from Isle of Lewis going to USA |