| Doga 09.08.2016 09:56 |
That's right, East Rutherford in USA, in 1982! In a half packed arena, Brian throw a guitar like a ninja would throw a shuriken, destroying his copy of the Red Special and playing a few songs with a Flying V... ...don't tell me you expected other thing, xd... |
| Killer_queenIII 09.08.2016 10:05 |
I was expecting Dallas, Texas at Reunion 1980, but I will smack my head for forgetting the night Brian turned to Pete T.ownshend |
| mooghead 09.08.2016 13:32 |
Half packed? Can't be packed if there is half?! |
| Doga 09.08.2016 17:14 |
mooghead wrote: Half packed? Can't be packed if there is half?!It can and it was. |
| Sebastian 09.08.2016 17:25 |
Of course it can. |
| Mára 10.08.2016 07:24 |
Does anybody have a video of Brian playing Flying-V guitar? I found only audio, where Brian broke his string during Brighton Rock solo.. link |
| Killer_queenIII 10.08.2016 07:29 |
Well there's the Princes Of The Universe video, but that's a different V guitar There are pics of Brian with the Flying V from '82 though link |
| Doga 10.08.2016 17:31 |
probably from that show link link |
| The Real Wizard 10.08.2016 23:54 |
Doga wrote: probably from that show link linkHe played it in Oakland too: link So the pictures could be from any number of 1982 dates. |
| Doga 12.08.2016 12:27 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Very interesting, thanks!Doga wrote: probably from that show link linkHe played it in Oakland too: link So the pictures could be from any number of 1982 dates. |
| Doga 12.08.2016 12:31 |
Talking about things more exciting than Knebworth, what about the shows in Houston during 1980 and 1982? There are possibilities of these being filmed as was the custom of the venue at the time, like the gig in 1977. Shouldn't someone ask Brian May and Greg Brooks about it? If exists, would be a big dissapointment if these reels of film (videotapes?) were destroyed like the outtakes of Montreal and Budapest. |
| Vocal harmony 13.08.2016 09:18 |
Doga wrote:The Flying V was used more often than photo evidence would suggest, as after the destruction of the John Birch guitar The Flying V became the main spare guitar for the remaining Hot Space tour datesThe Real Wizard wrote:Very interesting, thanks!Doga wrote: probably from that show link linkHe played it in Oakland too: link. So the pictures could be from any number of 1982 dates. |
| Sebastian 13.08.2016 13:46 |
Bob's site cites two more documented instances: link link There's in fact an audio bootleg of the Oakland one, shared by good Greg: link |
| Vocal harmony 15.08.2016 09:24 |
^^^ yes. BM seemed to have regular problems with his guitar in 1982, usually tuning issues, but sometime string breakages. The Birch guitar made an appearance at a lot of the gigs, noticeably so in Europe, but also the US dates leading to it's flying lesson! |
| Sebastian 15.08.2016 16:42 |
1981 as well ... he broke strings rather often. |
| Vocal harmony 16.08.2016 07:11 |
^^^ yes your right. Over those two years it seemed to be an on going problem. In fact at a run of three shows in Europe in 82 the top E string broke during Now Im Here, and at another show it seemed to snag somewhere and go badly out of tune. The problem also occurred at Milton Keynes. Of course tuning problems and breakages can always occur, unless you're David Gilmour! but it just seemed to be an on going problem in the early 80's for BM |
| Biggus Dickus 16.08.2016 07:45 |
Brian's guitar is irritatingly out of tune on the Rainbow '74 November show as well. During Liar in Houston '77 he breaks a string and then gets his replacement guitar which is already out of tune lol. I don't think Brian tuned his guitar between the songs during some of the shows, maybe he didn't hear it was out of tune. |
| Killer_queenIII 16.08.2016 08:17 |
Either that or the humidity of the place once it's packed had a part with it detuning. |
| Vocal harmony 16.08.2016 08:49 |
Killer_queenIII wrote: Either that or the humidity of the place once it's packed had a part with it detuning.Also the heat generated under the huge par can lighting rigs they used wouldn't have helped. Modern lighting uses less powerful bulbs to produce a similar optical effect, causing less heat. |
| The Real Wizard 16.08.2016 13:31 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: Brian's guitar is irritatingly out of tune on the Rainbow '74 November show as well. During Liar in Houston '77 he breaks a string and then gets his replacement guitar which is already out of tune lol. I don't think Brian tuned his guitar between the songs during some of the shows, maybe he didn't hear it was out of tune.So that's two shows out of hundreds. Guitars go out of tune now and again, and there are any number of reasons why. His tech is responsible for the guitar being in tune, not him. But indeed, his guitar was having issues in the early 80s, and surely he must have had some work done around that time. It was a 15 year old guitar by that point that hadn't been teched in any major way, so it was time. It's amazing that it still works, considering it was the only one he made. |
| Biggus Dickus 16.08.2016 14:05 |
The Real Wizard wrote:His tech is responsible for the guitar being in tune, not him. Surely he could tune it himself between songs if it went out of tune. That's what other guitar players do. Breaking a string is a different matter of course and naturally his tech should have it in tune when he hands it over to Brian. |
| Sebastian 16.08.2016 14:36 |
The problem is, with all that noise et al, it's hard to notice it too clearly. |
| Oscar J 16.08.2016 15:18 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: Surely he could tune it himself between songs if it went out of tune. That's what other guitar players do. Breaking a string is a different matter of course and naturally his tech should have it in tune when he hands it over to Brian. You have obviously never played a guitar with a floating tremolo. :) They are a bit of a pain to tune actually, because if you tighten one of the strings, the others go slightly flat. So normally you have to go two passes or so over all of the strings if the guitar is significantly out of tune. I have never played a RS specifically, but I imagine it's the same. |
| Biggus Dickus 16.08.2016 23:47 |
Oscar J wrote:Biggus Dickus wrote: Surely he could tune it himself between songs if it went out of tune. That's what other guitar players do. Breaking a string is a different matter of course and naturally his tech should have it in tune when he hands it over to Brian.You have obviously never played a guitar with a floating tremolo. :) They are a bit of a pain to tune actually, because if you tighten one of the strings, the others go slightly flat. So normally you have to go two passes or so over all of the strings if the guitar is significantly out of tune. I have never played a RS specifically, but I imagine it's the same. I've got one. A good guitar should stay pretty well in tune, floating tremolo or not. If it goes significantly out of tune that's what the back up guitars are for. |
| Sebastian 17.08.2016 08:29 |
Oscar J wrote: You have obviously never played a guitar with a floating tremoloI know it wasn't directed at me but: once again some people claim they can deduce such details based on an internet post. I suppose my writing gives away whether I've ever owned a typewriter, a guitar plectrum, a flat-screen telly and a walkman. Wanna try and guess which one(s) I actually had? |
| Vocal harmony 17.08.2016 08:36 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: Surely he could tune it himself between songs if it went out of tune. That's what other guitar players do. Breaking a string is a different matter of course and naturally his tech should have it in tune when he hands it over to Brian.If it went out of tune mid song ( an on going problem in the early 80's) or broke a string mid song there is no way he would stop. Playing and re tune. Another problem with the RS design is that if you break a string it's likely that the roller will drop out of the bridge. So it's not a quick fix. Hence, like any pro or semi pro player the need for and use of a spare guitar. Of course his tech, Jobby in the 80's and Pete now would hand BM a perfectly tuned guitar. It doesn't mean it would stay in tune. Also anyone who has been close enough to watch BM play will be aware that the RS has always had a slight tuning issue, between songs BM often turns the volume down pushes the trem down then allows it to come back up allowing the strings to become friction/ tension free for a few seconds before returning to their natural tension together, thus getting rid of the guitars tendency to go slightly flat when used continually |
| Oscar J 17.08.2016 09:16 |
Sebastian wrote:Oscar J wrote: You have obviously never played a guitar with a floating tremoloI know it wasn't directed at me but: once again some people claim they can deduce such details based on an internet post. I suppose my writing gives away whether I've ever owned a typewriter, a guitar plectrum, a flat-screen telly and a walkman. Wanna try and guess which one(s) I actually had? Wasn't meant to be a dig at anyone, you don't have to take everything so seriously/literally (that was what the smiley was for, by the way, which you so conveniently deleted). I stand corrected, but still think saying "that's what other guitarists do" is not a great argument considering Brian has a floating tremolo, and a home made one at that. By the way, Brians backup guitars were often hilariously out of tune as well. |
| Sebastian 17.08.2016 12:34 |
I'm sorry about having deleted the smiley. Out of curiosity, can you deduce which of those items I actually owned? If so, kudos to you! If not, then I guess it is true that you cannot really get to know a person just by reading what they post on a forum. |
| Oscar J 17.08.2016 13:54 |
Sebastian wrote: I'm sorry about having deleted the smiley. .Thanks. Now I'll be able to sleep tonight. Sebastian wrote: Out of curiosity, can you deduce which of those items I actually owned? .No, but I am absolutely dying to know. Sebastian wrote: If not, then I guess it is true that you cannot really get to know a person just by reading what they post on a forum.Wow, I guess you're right! Great minds at work here. |
