Pokemaniacjunk 28.07.2016 13:18 |
Since John says he can't sing I was wondering Did John by chance sing lead vocals in a pre-Queen band and was booed for his voice |
AlbaNo1 28.07.2016 14:32 |
My total absolute guess is that he was too shy and inhibited to express himself in that way. And that his voice if had he felt free to use it would have been adequate and functional for backing vocals |
Rick 29.07.2016 03:46 |
Apparently he sang them the words of AOBTD and Roger told him never to sing again. |
andres_clip 29.07.2016 14:55 |
Rick wrote: Apparently he sang them the words of AOBTD and Roger told him never to sing again.Priceless moment indeed,would've paid a big buck to see that hehehe |
AlbaNo1 29.07.2016 20:04 |
Right. Apparently . After eight years in the band John suddenly attempted to sing a future worldwide hit. But Misfire or You And I or In Only Seven Days he didn't try. Or he did and the band thought it was ok. But no he waited eight years to sing a song but his voice was then dissed by Roger.So plausible. |
Bob Harley 30.07.2016 03:20 |
John was lead vocalist for 11 seconds. link |
Nick Browning 30.07.2016 04:44 |
there was a demo of cool cat "now presumbled lost" had John's vocals on it but hated the sound of his own voice |
Biggus Dickus 30.07.2016 05:47 |
^^ Haha, John trying falsetto would be priceless. |
Sebastian 30.07.2016 08:38 |
Rick wrote: Apparently he sang them the words of AOBTD and Roger told him never to sing again.That's completely false. Just another example of how words get twisted and stories merged. The interview in question is from 16th November 1997, BBC World Service: link Brian and Roger were asked if they'd heard John sing. Roger said, 'I'm afraid I have to admit, I have heard him sing, and that's why you can't find him on the records... He's a great bass player though, for a singer.' Brian added, 'I have to tell you I do remember John singing the lines to Another One Bites The Dust to Freddie, so it s possible you know, but he's a bit shy about it, he doesn't like to sing in public.' There was absolutely NO implication of both stories referring to the same event, and absolutely NO mention of Rog telling him never to sing again. |
mooghead 30.07.2016 16:15 |
Ultimately, when the band convened for the making of a new record there had to be some sort of noise coming from John's vocal chords when he presented a song, even if it was humming. It's just not logical to imagine any other way of presenting a composition. |
Sebastian 30.07.2016 17:29 |
Theoretically, he could've also played the melody on piano or guitar. |
Rick 31.07.2016 03:45 |
Sebastian wrote:I never start a sentence with 'apparently' again...Rick wrote: Apparently he sang them the words of AOBTD and Roger told him never to sing again.That's completely false. Just another example of how words get twisted and stories merged. The interview in question is from 16th November 1997, BBC World Service: link Brian and Roger were asked if they'd heard John sing. Roger said, 'I'm afraid I have to admit, I have heard him sing, and that's why you can't find him on the records... He's a great bass player though, for a singer.' Brian added, 'I have to tell you I do remember John singing the lines to Another One Bites The Dust to Freddie, so it s possible you know, but he's a bit shy about it, he doesn't like to sing in public.' There was absolutely NO implication of both stories referring to the same event, and absolutely NO mention of Rog telling him never to sing again. |
Sebastian 31.07.2016 05:24 |
You did nothing wrong, it's not your fault. It's just, as I said, an example of how false stories spread like wildfire, just because they sound funny, spectacular or anecdotal. There are actually plenty of those, virtually one per album: - The debut LP having been a low-budget project done entirely on downtime. Apparently, the receptionist had nothing better to do than ringing four landlines at 3 a.m. and they also always happened to be, A, there and, B, available to take their equipment on a bus at 2 a.m. - Brian having written the 'Sisters' section of 'Seven Seas of Rhye'. - 'Sheer Heart Attack' being less complex than 'Queen II'. - 'Bo Rhap' having been written in 1969 and then being recorded on 16-track 2" tape over a three-week non-stop period commencing on the 24th of August 1975 and partly done at Wessex, featuring 180 vocals and being ultimately cut down from a longer, more epic, version. - 'You Take My Breath Away' being played live before having been recorded. - The Sid Vicious incident taking place during 'News of the World' sessions. - Brian hating 'Don't Stop Me Now.' - Andy Gibb having originally sung the first verse of 'Play the Game.' - 'Flash Gordon' being done in between touring breaks in America. - John being the (co-)dominant force behind 'Hot Space'. - Brian not performing on 'I Want to Break Free'. - 'Heaven for Everyone' having been penned for 'A Kind of Magic'. - Spike having input on 'The Miracle' album (I did hear that a few times some years ago...) - 'All God's People' having been written for 'Barcelona'. - Fred recording 'Mother Love' less than two weeks before dying. Now, all those 'myths' probably originated from something which was true-ish, but they all got expanded and then spread like wildfire, always in more melodramatic or memorable versions. |
tomchristie22 31.07.2016 10:50 |
I think the reality when Deacon presented his compositions would've been a combo of what Moog and Sebastian have suggested. It seems most direct and practical that he would have demonstrated his songs on guitar/piano and singing simultaneously, to make clear the rhythms of the vocal parts. However, if the few live recordings are any indication, he didn't have outstanding pitch, so perhaps he would have then needed to clarify melodies by playing them. |
Sebastian 31.07.2016 22:49 |
Especially when they started programming and using midis and stuff... in fact, a friend met Dave Richards ca 15 years ago and that's what he told her: John would record demos with keyboards and those demos would have melody lines, and John would give Fred the lyrics to sing to said melodies ... sometimes, in fact, Fred would write the lyrics himself (e.g. Rain Must Fall, You Don't Fool Me, Cool Cat). Now, Dave only worked closely with John from '85 onwards, so his testimony doesn't necessarily cover whatever he did up to 'The Works'. He might've had a different strategy then. We'll probably never know. |
Supersonic_Man89 01.08.2016 04:33 |
When did the Sid Vicious thing occur if it wasn't News of the World sessions? That's the only one on your list i felt was a truth. |
Sebastian 01.08.2016 08:55 |
Taken from link (I wrote the post I'm quoting from, and I give myself permission to do it): 'Anarchy in the UK' was recorded on November the 11th 1976, suggesting the incident of Johnny Rotten interrupting Fred while he was playing piano might have happened around that time. By then, Queen had almost finished 'Races' and were basically giving final tweaks to the mixes. 'Seventeen' and 'Body' were recorded in May and June 1977, respectively. By the time Queen went to Wessex, the Pistols had already left (they did a couple of demos four miles away in Soho), which suggests the 'Simon Ferocious' episode took place either before the actual 'News of the World' recordings (maybe Queen were there just rehearsing, or Fred was visiting Roger during the 'Testify/TV' sessions or working with Peter Straker or someone else) and/or after the 'Bollocks' ones (Pistols went there to pick-up a tape or something)... or maybe it didn't happen in Wessex at all, but somewhere else (e.g. EMI offices before the Pistols were dropped). |
cmsdrums 03.08.2016 08:20 |
Sebastian wrote: You did nothing wrong, it's not your fault. It's just, as I said, an example of how false stories spread like wildfire, just because they sound funny, spectacular or anecdotal. There are actually plenty of those, virtually one per album: - 'All God's People' having been written for 'Barcelona'. -I can understand why people refer to 'All God's People' as having been written for Barcelona. It evolved from 'Africa By Night', which WAS written for Barcelona (or at written least during the Barcelona sessions with other tracks that made that album), and it was already "far progressed" before being shelved.....far from 'anecdotal', the following is from link: "In terms of songwriting, 1987/88 was something of a prolific period for Freddie. A number of ideas he began during the Barcelona sessions were never finished, and those which were, underwent significant changes along the road to perfection. Working titles such as Rachmaninov’s Revenge, Vocal Exercises and Freddie’s Overture gave way to The Fallen Priest, Exercises In Free Love and Guide Me Home, and another idea, the exotically titled Africa By Night, evolved into All God’s People, and although far progressed, was shelved only to be re-worked later by Queen for the 1991 Innuendo album". Based on the other tracks quoted above that underwent name changes from working to final versions but when listened to are very easily identifiable as the 'same song', I'd say that 'Africa by Night' and 'All God's People' should be considered as such too, especially as it is officially confirmed that it was '"far progressed", which to me indicates it was a fully fledged track and not just a few working chords and mumbled vocal melodies. BTW, has anyone ever heard 'Africa by Night'? |
Sebastian 03.08.2016 17:53 |
According to what Mike Moran said, it was written for a solo album which didn't materialise *because* Montsy expressed her interest in recording with Fred, so they went to do 'Barcelona' (the album) instead. Not the same thing. Moreover, Mike's comment makes no mention of the alleged working title. Source: link |
Grizzly Adam 08.08.2016 21:34 |
Re: Sex Pistols and NOTW. In the Rolling Stone magazine retrospective "What a Long Strange Trip its Been" there is an interview with Sid Vicious. The interviewer sets the scene, mentioning hearing Queen recording WWRY in an adjacent studio. |
Sebastian 09.08.2016 10:13 |
Interesting. Have you got a link? |
Grizzly Adam 09.08.2016 11:09 |
No link, but I found the name and author. Interview was conducted in August of 77. The Sex Pistols: Rock is sick and living in London by Charles M. Young |
Sebastian 09.08.2016 12:07 |
link No mention of WWRY and the author even claims 'college' is the equivalent of 'high school.' So much for their credibility. |
Grizzly Adam 09.08.2016 16:22 |
Sorry I lead you astray, havent seen that article in 15 years, my mind must have twisted it. But what we do have is an interview in August of 77 where the reporter states that Queen and Vicious were in the studio at the same time. Makes it seem more likely than not that this is the session where the incident occured. |
Sebastian 09.08.2016 17:22 |
Not necessarily ... article could've been sensationalised, as it often happens. Recording dates (which are far more reliable than a human witness, who can lie, exaggerate and misremember) tell us NOTW and NMTB sessions did not overlap, as they recorded 'Bollocks' when Queen were touring America and Canada. If they did bump into each other, it was under different circumstances ... maybe Fred was recording BV's for Peter Straker or something. |