| Jake12 13.07.2016 11:37 |
Was just thinking today.. Queen have recorded over 700 live concerts. And that got me thinking about The Rolling Stones: From The Vault and thinking about how 2 years ago Pink Floyd released there demos and unreleased material to make a new album. Like I seriously don't understand why Queen fans can't get this treatment Aslo!! I'm sorry for saying what has already been said but I'm just seriously pissed off that we can't get things the WE QUEEN FANS WANT!!! You could go on for hours what we want! And honestly I think it's the live album things I would really want weather if it's just Audio! Unreleased material! Promo Videos in HD Hyde Park Knebworth Park Earls Court (hopefully soon! And both nights!) Houston Golders Green South American gigs (ALL OF THEM!) Japan gigs (ALL OF THEM!) Paris (All 3 nights) Hammersmith 79 (All nights) Rio (Both nights) A big one for me.. Brussels '84 (Would love to see all that was filmed for this gig!) |
| mooghead 13.07.2016 12:40 |
Aaaaaaaannnnnddddddd..... here we go again....... |
| RS_Protos 13.07.2016 13:49 |
Definitely agree with you, concerts, demos, unreleased material, etc......I'm not sure what to think anymore, is it QPL, is it BM, is it RT, is it..., really disgusted the last few years(20 years), i'm at a point I don't care anymore, I can care less about the Q-plus thing going on too, it's there right to earn more money but it's not Queen . To me personally being a fan for over 35 years, I have now lost complete respect, something i never imagined I would do. I'm sure they feel the same way, they can care less about a single fan. I think i had enough of re-leases, colored vinyl of the same over and over, owl crap, badgers, basements, etc, the music is what is important to me but getting none of that. |
| mr mason 13.07.2016 13:56 |
I do believe that QPL dont give a shit,they will release what they want,when they want,and thats the reality,i think things will move along once the touring finishes,but dont expect miracles!! |
| matt z 13.07.2016 20:08 |
Given how they've signed a new record deal about every 8 years, the usual come out per company exclusivity. I imagine the ONLY chance of any archival stuff being released is dependent upon the FREDDIE FILM being an absolute OSCAR WORTHY success. (unlikely it'll ever even be made) Either that or some unfortunate circumstance in which it's done by Freddie's + _____(anybody's) ESTATE. I won't dare say it. It's sad. |
| Graeme Arnott 13.07.2016 23:34 |
After 38 years being a member of the fan club I left this year, enough was enough. |
| pidge123 14.07.2016 01:38 |
The question I have, if anyone knows, is how many copies of the recent releases have actually been sold(Hammersmith, Rainbow,Coloured vinyl box set) and who is actually buying them? If its only hardcore Queen fans then probably there aren't massive sales and QP may think material that needs work isn't worth the financial effort. I personally think they are thinking of the general public who may like Queen but are not ardent fans and are more likely to but Greatest Hits / Singles packages. Demos, promo,s and odd concerts may not be of interest to Joe Public. I also think that's why the live shows in the last few years are basically Greatest Hit shows, perhaps people who don't know the back catalogue would go?? |
| dudeofqueen 14.07.2016 04:01 |
Answer: A. Great. big. Fucking. Miracle. And, as harsh as this may come across, Brian May dying. This would free QPL / Island up to release whatever they want without any pedancy getting in the way of they chose to. |
| jondickens1 14.07.2016 06:50 |
Perhaps one of us should write to QPL and inform them what the fans would like?! Obvious point I know. Has anyone ever done this though? Anyone has a reply if they have? Like most of you on here I would like to see more archive live releases,mainly from the 70s,though I would like an early Works your big at some point. The most recent/impending release 'Messenger of the Gods' is an absolute insult imo to all the lo u feel fans who have been with them for decades now. I'd love to know who exactly comes up with these release ideas. I honestly hope it bombs! I think a lot of us were hoping for Hyde Park this year and what do we get;a rehash of a 're 're release with a cheesy name. Oh but it's in pretty coloured vinyl! I couldn't give a shit what it looks like!! All we want is unreleased material. Maybe we can hold out hope for Queen on Air (again another cheesy title) later on in the year. But I guarantee it'll be in a box set full of crap extras. Who knows,Sid Snotts beerr can?Hey there's an idea that sell well with Bohemian lager,Killer Queen vodka. Jeez!!!!- |
| Vocal harmony 14.07.2016 09:08 |
I think we have to face facts here. Queen are no longer a current singles chart hits band. There seems little, if no hope, that there will ever be a new studio album (though some of us may live in hope). They still sell fast numbers of concert tickets to a lot of people who are living through memories of the 80's and want a jukebox show. They have a record deal with a major label to whom the Queen and Freddie Mercury names are just a business which can still make money. Because of this universal/island will want to release as much as they can with the lowest outlay aimed at the same people who buy those concert tickets. The recording industry is almost dead on it's feet, unless you're one of the few megga acts. But the one thing that is keeping the industry afloat across the board is vinyl re releases. Vinyl sounds great, but only through top quality expensive equipment, but the industry have managed to sell the idea that vinyl played on anything is better than any other medium at present. So the "new" singles collection is probably the record company making sure they get their share of what Freddie's work is worth to them. As a fan and collector this release just doesn't interest me, but I understand the reasoning behind it. Let's hope the artistic side of QP and Universal can persuade the business side that some fans still want more of what the band did in the 70's |
| dudeofqueen 14.07.2016 09:22 |
jondickens1, re: >Perhaps one of us should write to QPL and inform them what the fans would like?! They've spent the ENTIRE time since the box sets were first floated in the OIQFC magazine IGNORING what it is plainly obvious to put out. When an "official" representative of QPL comes in to the largest on-line Queen forum and behaves in the way that he does in terms of responding to what are (admittedly in only a few cases) genuine questions, getting a response out of QPL directly is about as likely as Boris Johnson receiving an invite from Barack Obama to a home-made meal of traditional Kenyan cooking. |
| philip storey 14.07.2016 12:23 |
To be honest there are so many other bands releasing great box sets with great extras,plus new bands on the scene that I have little interest in Queen at the moment.Muse in concert are just sensational. |
| Fireplace 14.07.2016 16:09 |
What it would take? Ten million people wanting the same releases that you want. |
| kevin79 15.07.2016 03:12 |
In my opinion, they've been doing a pretty good job of releasing some of the stuff we've wanted ever since they signed with Universal/Island. Yeah, the bonus discs with the remastered CD's could have been better. But I think it's more obvious now that they were trying to use some of those bonus tracks as teasers for projects they were working on. We've gotten a great re-release of Wembley with the complete Friday night show as a bonus. They put out a nice set of vinyl re-issues for the Queen vinyl fans. And they finally released some 70's concerts, and not late 70's concerts with more hits. No, they gave us some of their earliest available gigs. And they didn't skimp on those releases. They gave us both complete concerts at the Rainbow on CD and the complete video of the November show. And when most artists would have been happy to release the vinyl studio set that Queen did as a Christmas release, they also gave us the Hammersmith Odeon concert. And, in addition to trying to keep Freddie's solo work alive with a singles collection release, it looks like we'll finally be getting a collection of Queen's radio performances. And while I definitely hope that what's listed by the original poster is also being looked at by the group, I'll gladly take what they've released over the last few years over them trying to figure out how to package their greatest hits to buy them again and again. |
| pittrek 15.07.2016 03:34 |
1) The thing they recorded 700 concerts doesn't mean that they have 30-45 years later 700 concert recordings in releasable quality. 2) Many (most?) of their promo videos were shot on video, the only way how to release them in HD would be upscaling. Even though their upscaling algorithms are getting better and better with each release, I would still prefer a mix of SD (in original aspect ratio and AVC, not mpg2) and new HD scans (of course both the original cuts) 3) In the mental world of Brian, Roger and Jim anything which is not PERFECT is not worth releasing. |
| pittrek 15.07.2016 03:59 |
kevin79 wrote: In my opinion, they've been doing a pretty good job of releasing some of the stuff we've wanted ever since they signed with Universal/Island. Yeah, the bonus discs with the remastered CD's could have been better. But I think it's more obvious now that they were trying to use some of those bonus tracks as teasers for projects they were working on. We've gotten a great re-release of Wembley with the complete Friday night show as a bonus. They put out a nice set of vinyl re-issues for the Queen vinyl fans. And they finally released some 70's concerts, and not late 70's concerts with more hits. No, they gave us some of their earliest available gigs. And they didn't skimp on those releases. They gave us both complete concerts at the Rainbow on CD and the complete video of the November show. And when most artists would have been happy to release the vinyl studio set that Queen did as a Christmas release, they also gave us the Hammersmith Odeon concert. And, in addition to trying to keep Freddie's solo work alive with a singles collection release, it looks like we'll finally be getting a collection of Queen's radio performances. And while I definitely hope that what's listed by the original poster is also being looked at by the group, I'll gladly take what they've released over the last few years over them trying to figure out how to package their greatest hits to buy them again and again.Pretty good job? I'm sorry but I can't agree with you on this. OK, what did they release? - the new 2 disc versions of each album - I absolutely hate the remasters. They are way too loud, so I have to immediately turn down the volume, and I loose all the fine details which are now inaudible. The bonus discs are fine, but what did they bring us - maybe 4 new songs? On the 15 albums they released? At least they released the De Lane Lea demo tape - Wembley. Yes, again, f***ing Wembley. I forgot how many times did I buy this concert in the last 30 years. The ONLY positive thing about this release was that it included a big part of the Friday concert, but it was not complete, both nights were converted to NTSC, they look like shit thanks to temporal denoising (or the framerate conversion), it still has the horribly edited DoRo footage (mix of both nights and Knebworth), it has no lossless audio for the Friday concert, not on the DVD, not on CDs ... - Hungarian Rhapsody - again a re-release. With altered colour palette, altered aspect ratio, the same bad edit as always ... At least we got the almost complete concert on CD. - Rainbow - this one was finally something pretty good, there are only very small complaints - Hammy 75 - nothing interesting, a wasted opportunity. If they at least added the documentary which was aired on BBC ... - Deep Cuts - well we got some alternate versions of some tracks, so for those of us who like that sort of stuff they're at least interesting. - Icon - pure shit - Forever - shit with 3 interesting tracks, which are also available for free - the albums on vinyl - neat if you collect that, I don't so I don't care - Freddie's Barcelona SE - nice, but why is not the original album not included? That's unforgivable. - the new Freddie boxset - another re-release/re-package. If you like the stuff they released, good for you. But the only thing I personally liked was the Rainbow release (even though I hate the fact they released a mix of 2 nights instead of releasing both nights separately), and also the Friday concert from Wembley was nice to have. So yes, I fully understand the frustration of the original poster. I was really looking forward to an official release of Hyde Park (because the versions we all have look and sound like crap), but even if they release the BBC sessions (21 years after they got officially announced), I'll be happy. |
| kruh 15.07.2016 06:45 |
Hi! Well im a big fan but im also very disappointed! Why not Houston, Earls Court, and of course Hyde park, why not???? Im not buying enything else until we dont get some of this three records. I am not interested in all this compilations. This is all crap, crap, crap!!! |
| kruh 15.07.2016 06:46 |
Hi! Well im a big fan but im also very disappointed! Why not Houston, Earls Court, and of course Hyde park, why not???? Im not buying enything else until we dont get some of this three records. I am not interested in all this compilations. This is all crap, crap, crap!!! |
| Killer_queenIII 15.07.2016 10:07 |
As much as I wish that they'd release something like the two Earls Court concerts, There's always that feeling that we'll get it, but there'll be a figurative price to pay. For example, Earls Court. They'd release it, but it'd be a mix of both night with some autotune done on Freddie's voice etc. and they'll probably show the entire 1st or 2nd night exclusively at some exhibit. I hate being cynical, but this idea has been growing in my head now. Don't get me wrong, For Rainbow, it turned out okay for me. There's my 2 cents on QPL... |
| The Real Wizard 15.07.2016 10:59 |
The loudness war has destroyed most of the live releases, too. Only the March Rainbow show and Montreal sound like when they were recorded. The compression on Milton Keynes and the first night at Wembley destroys the sound. Even the one Hammersmith soundcheck song is just so overblown. And the vocal overdubs on the November Rainbow stuff are unforgivable. It's about a bit too close to Kiss Alive for comfort. The Earls Court clips on one of the latest documentaries are very promising. But my cynical side is pretty sure they're going to find a way to fuck that up too. And the compression heard on the Paris 79 track on the News Of The World remaster is hopefully not an indicator that they'll blow it with the 1979 material some day too. Roger's snare drum has that machine gun sound, nothing like 1979. The Yes box set Progeny from last year is how it's done - seven uncut concerts from 1972 lovingly restored and sounding far better than the YesSongs album they were originally sourced for. They even put Chris Squire's bass tracks through the rig he played through at the shows, to ensure the sound was authentic. Such attention to detail is not in the cards with Queen. Things are just in the wrong hands, and they will be for quite some time. I still get more joy from the Boston 76 audience tape than pretty much anything Queen have released since Made In Heaven. But I have long resigned myself to the fact that I am not the target audience. The man on the street who has heard a dozen Queen songs is. They have indeed released a lot of great stuff. But it's painful to think about the number of lost opportunities, the number of good products that could so easily have been outstanding products. |
| Doga 15.07.2016 17:17 |
I enjoyed "Hungarian Rhapsody" a lot, maybe because is better than Wembley both technically and musically, and is probably my favourite show from the Magic Tour. But continuing with the topic, yeah, most of recent releases are poor mixed, even if is not exactly a "new" thing. In Queen On Fire (2004?) they screwed up big time with the mix... How was that, for the "Loudness War" or maybe because they aren't as experienced as now? That was a great show and the band put a lot of energy into in, to make the things worse, the old mix from TV sounds better tan the CD/DVD. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2016 01:44 |
Doga wrote: In Queen On Fire (2004?) they screwed up big time with the mix... How was that, for the "Loudness War" or maybe because they aren't as experienced as now?Nah, they're working with professionals who know exactly what they're doing. The loudness war was already a few years old at that point. There's pressure from the industry to cave into the loudness war, but they won't be crucified if they refuse. Plenty of releases of archive material from other bands come out just fine. |
| Biggus Dickus 16.07.2016 03:23 |
^^ Yup. For example the massive King Crimson box sets containing full gigs from 70's sound really good and authentic. |
| dysan 16.07.2016 03:28 |
I didn't mind the bonus discs - when taken as a whole it's a nice collection of 'rarities'. Yes, stuff was missing but there was also some quite daring additions. Far more adventurous than say the owners of the Bowie vault would be prepared to do. Fair to say RT seems more keen on archival stuff as he dug out his demos for the project (and yes, I believe they were doctored or tidied up for release) I don't recall and BM demo tracks? That speaks volumes. I got Rainbow and loved it. I haven't bothered buying the rest of the DVDs or compilations as I don't feel the need. But I do remember the excitement of finding out what was on each new bonus disc. And a little frustration too, but there will always be that I guess. |
| bucsateflon 16.07.2016 03:34 |
Stop giving examples of inferior bands which closed shop forever, of course they released everything, they milked the cow for the last time. Queen vaults are much more valuable to be dumped all at once and in any condition. |
| Holly2003 16.07.2016 04:43 |
Are you Jim Beach? |
| Biggus Dickus 16.07.2016 07:23 |
bucsateflon wrote: Stop giving examples of inferior bands which closed shop forever, of course they released everything, they milked the cow for the last time. Queen vaults are much more valuable to be dumped all at once and in any condition. What? King Crimson inferior band that closed shop forever? I guess that's down to an opinion, albeit an ignorant one. |
| Killer_queenIII 16.07.2016 08:00 |
I'm no big Yes fan, but I'm pretty sure they're no inferior band, and I'm very certain they didn't close shop forever, even with Squire gone. If they're gonna milk the cow for all it's worth, that's no problem, at least their milk's good. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2016 11:33 |
bucsateflon wrote: Stop giving examples of inferior bands which closed shop forever, of course they released everything, they milked the cow for the last time. Queen vaults are much more valuable to be dumped all at once and in any condition.Queen hasn't released an album in over 20 years, whereas Yes has released two in the last five years. Who's milking which cow? And what the hell are Queen waiting for? If they take much longer to dig into the good stuff, the fanbase they cultivated around their creative peak will be dead. Whatever you're smoking, I'll have some. |
| cmsdrums 16.07.2016 16:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote:If you're counting Yes albums without the original line up then you surely must, like it or not, include The Cosmos Rocks?bucsateflon wrote: Stop giving examples of inferior bands which closed shop forever, of course they released everything, they milked the cow for the last time. Queen vaults are much more valuable to be dumped all at once and in any condition.Queen hasn't released an album in over 20 years, whereas Yes has released two in the last five years. Who's milking which cow? And what the hell are Queen waiting for? If they take much longer to dig into the good stuff, the fanbase they cultivated around their creative peak will be dead. Whatever you're smoking, I'll have some. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2016 23:16 |
cmsdrums wrote: If you're counting Yes albums without the original line up then you surely must, like it or not, include The Cosmos Rocks?OK. In that case - there's one Queen album in the last 20 years, and six Yes albums. Keystudio and The Ladder are both excellent, might I add. |
| matt z 18.07.2016 21:01 |
since we were talking about David R Fuller (Fuller-SHIT).... and forgeries... I thought of bringing this thing up. Anybody here feel qualified to gauge its authenticity? link |
| The Fonz 18.07.2016 23:30 |
matt z wrote: since we were talking about David R Fuller (Fuller-SHIT).... and forgeries... I thought of bringing this thing up. Anybody here feel qualified to gauge its authenticity? linkIt does have POTOGRAPIC evidence, so seem legit... |
| philip storey 22.07.2016 08:54 |
Brian will not release any old live recording as he wants it to be perfect. Something slipped thru the net as Live Magic had a awfull sound and Live Killers could have been better ! I just can't see a way out of this situation.Can you imagine a box set with all the demos ,outakes and stuff that they gave up on being released by Brian ? Not a chance,we will just get more Best of and Queen Love Songs or Best of Queen Live using the Live albums already released.It seems incredible that we will never get that big box set full of full of the stuff that the Queen fans who have supported them all these years want.So there we have it folks,i would welome a release written and played by Brian and Roger.Just release it under the name of May and Taylor. But they will never stop using the name Queen as it will still sell tickets for concerts with AL.Lets hope I get some good stuff before I die ,I am 52 years old ! |
| luthorn 22.07.2016 11:39 |
They don't care, I don't care. |
| RS_Protos 22.07.2016 12:07 |
"They don't care, I don't care. " Agree 100 percent. I'm losing more and more interest, have been patient and have been always optimistic that something good will be released but dissapointment after dissapointment..... It's a shamre |
| Jake12 22.07.2016 23:55 |
That's what I'm saying guys I'm losing hope if not already have! I DONT want to lose interest in The material! I want the stuff that makes me go "that's why they're my favorite band!" And like Philip said.. No offense to anyone older but don't waste time before people stop dropping dead! I'm 21 I don't want to wait till I'm fucking 60 for this stuff to come out! |
| Sebastian 23.07.2016 07:44 |
We've got to be realistic. A 'Making of "The March of the Black Queen"' (with aborted ideas, a cappella and instrumental mixes, demos, discarded takes, etc.) would be fantastic, but it would only sell a few thousand copies at best. A re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release of Wembley, the singles, etc., can almost guarantee at least a couple million... what 'dyou think they'll choose? |
| cmsdrums 25.07.2016 10:20 |
Jake12 wrote: That's what I'm saying guys I'm losing hope if not already have! I DONT want to lose interest in The material! I want the stuff that makes me go "that's why they're my favorite band!" And like Philip said.. No offense to anyone older but don't waste time before people stop dropping dead! I'm 21 I don't want to wait till I'm fucking 60 for this stuff to come out!I was 20 when Freddie died and I've had to wait this long, so you'd best get used to it!!! |
| RS_Protos 25.07.2016 13:15 |
LOL, good point It's just sad, seems the hardcore fans are totally being ignored, I think they can do one thing without making profits.... |
| luthorn 25.07.2016 16:55 |
RS_Protos wrote: "They don't care, I don't care. " Agree 100 percent. I'm losing more and more interest, have been patient and have been always optimistic that something good will be released but dissapointment after dissapointment..... It's a shamre"A"fuckin'a"man"brother" amen. I clocked out at Live at the Bowl, once I realized they will not top it off. |
| Jake12 26.07.2016 00:04 |
Was just watching Let Me In Your Heart Again video.. Like Brussels '84! I would Love to see that footage actually saw a part from the video that I just realized that they film Freddie's vocal bit with the audience.. |
| Jake12 26.07.2016 00:04 |
Does anyone know how much was filmed for that gig in Brussels? |
| philip storey 26.07.2016 05:20 |
I suppose the record company just want the money with releases that will appeal to the max amount of music fans.Also if it was going to be a box set with everything that was good enough included,it would be a massive project which would take a long ,long time to put together.Who would indertake the project,if it was Brian and Roger,can you imagine getting Brian's seal of approvel for what was included. Also Brian is involved with so much,what with Kerry and his animal rights projects and the tours with AL.One final point would be the price of the box set,£200 or £300 maybe more! |
| Sebastian 26.07.2016 08:49 |
Freddie's off-Queen career consisted of only one solo album, a handful of collabs, some singles here and there and a duet album, and that gave them enough for a 10 CD boxset (or was it more than that?). So imagine how much could come from a band which released fourteen bona fide albums, an album/compilation/rehash patchwork and collabs with Britney, Pink, Paul, etc. |
| Vocal harmony 26.07.2016 09:23 |
Sebastian wrote: . . . . So imagine how much could come from a band which released fourteen bona fide albums. . . . .Ah yes but there's nothing in the archive of any interest. . . . Well according to GB! |
| Killer_queenIII 28.07.2016 09:18 |
Don't look now, but Pink Floyd's releasing a box set of the pre-Dark Side albums, and from what i'm read, it makes Queen's Bonus EPs or even their own Immersion box sets look even smaller, like 27 discs worth of audio-visual treats, with a $700 tag. The tracklisting isn't announced yet, but holy crap it looks promising. Just wanna mention it because I was reminded of this thread while looking at the contents it promised. |
| Rick 28.07.2016 11:31 |
Killer_queenIII wrote: Don't look now, but Pink Floyd's releasing a box set of the pre-Dark Side albums, and from what i'm read, it makes Queen's Bonus EPs or even their own Immersion box sets look even smaller, like 27 discs worth of audio-visual treats, with a $700 tag. The tracklisting isn't announced yet, but holy crap it looks promising. Just wanna mention it because I was reminded of this thread while looking at the contents it promised.link Wow, just wow. |
| Killer_queenIII 28.07.2016 12:01 |
^Just read the entire thing, and I am completely overwhelmed with the amount of material. I reckon no one can top this... at least until Floyd would do another box set covering "The Classic" era if ever it's in the cards for them. |
| Day dop 08.08.2016 22:14 |
I hate the loudness wars. I recently decided to buy all the original first UK pressings of Queen albums in as best condition I can find them (that being 'Mint'). They sound a hell of a lot better than recent remasters. |
| cmsdrums 09.08.2016 03:26 |
Day dop wrote: I hate the loudness wars. I recently decided to buy all the original first UK pressings of Queen albums in as best condition I can find them (that being 'Mint'). They sound a hell of a lot better than recent remasters.On vinyl or CD? |