| mike hunt 20.06.2016 21:02 |
I Havn't posted on Queenzone for ages, lost Interest in the whole scene. Let me start by saying I consider Innuendo the best Queen Album since their heyday, which I think is Queen To The Game, and Is overall stronger Than Made In Heaven, but I do find myself listening to MIH A lot after all these years. More than most Queen Albums. I Feel It's not far behind Innuendo. I'm gonna compare Tracks. Innuendo > Beautiful Day Slightly Mad < MIH. Very Close Though Headlong < Let Me Live. Can't live with you < Mother Love Don't Try So Hard > My Life All Gods People > Heaven For Everyone These are The Days > Too Much Love Dehila < you Don't Fool Me Hitman. < A Winter's Tale Bijou > Beautiful Day. Very close though The Show Must Go On. So That's a 6 to 5 Win for Innuendo, let's say 7 to 5. Giving Innuendo an extra point For the Classic TSMGO. Still pretty close. |
| mike hunt 20.06.2016 21:23 |
I Forgot Track 6. Ride the wild wind > IWBTLY. |
| Sebastian 20.06.2016 21:43 |
I think 'Innuendo' is far better despite having one really awful song. |
| matt z 20.06.2016 22:02 |
Sebastian wrote: I think 'Innuendo' is far better despite having one really awful song.Yeah. I agree. I CAN'T LIVE WITH YOU isn't very great. |
| stevelondon20 21.06.2016 01:09 |
Lol! |
| cmi 21.06.2016 09:17 |
I don't know any 'awful' Queen song. BTW,Delilah is funny little song with terrific guitar/talk box work. |
| The Fairy King 21.06.2016 10:05 |
Bit odd to compare songs based on the tracknumber, don't you think? :') |
| Pingfah 21.06.2016 10:34 |
Indeed, better to compare every track to every other track. Somebody else can go first. |
| mike hunt 21.06.2016 14:54 |
The Hitman is my least Favorite on Innuendo, the lyrics are a mess. Dililah Is Obviously a weaker Queen song, but for me It's Not Terrible. I agree that Innuendo Is The Stronger Album, but really Just wanted too give Credit to Brian, Rog, John for creating a Nice Piece of work In MIH. I Think It's Brian who Made this Album. His Guitar work on it Is Excellent, I'll give it the Edge on any 80's Queen album, aside From The Game. |
| goose44 21.06.2016 15:21 |
The Hitman kicks ass. Lyrics are great at times and weak at times, I will give you that. RTWW is the most underrated song in the Queen catalog, imo |
| mike hunt 21.06.2016 16:30 |
I think The HitMan had Great Potential, Dililah and HitMan were the weakest part of the Album for me. Ride The Wild Wind Is one Of My Favorites. I put it above I Was Born To love you on My Comparing albums list. Innuendo The song Is One of Queens Best Songs, Just as Good as The epic songs of the 70's. |
| Oscar J 21.06.2016 18:15 |
^ Why do you write like that, with capitals in the middle of sentences? On topic: You can't compare it like that, in numbers. I prefer to think of it like this: Innuendo (the song) is more important to me than all of MIH. So even though the numbers of stinkers on the albums may not differ that much, Innuendo is still so far ahead it's not even funny. |
| tomchristie22 21.06.2016 19:53 |
Yeah. They're both inconsistent albums, but Innuendo's high points are much higher. It occurred to me when thinking about this that Headlong must've taken some lyrical and thematic inspiration from Breakthru, a much more exciting song in my opinion. |
| BETA215 21.06.2016 21:26 |
Innuendo, without thinking it twice. Innuendo, sin pensarlo dos veces. |
| matt z 21.06.2016 23:15 |
I'd love to hear the stems from INNUENDO and JAZZ. ... so that all with audio mixing capabilities could remix the albums. Tonally MIH is in a mix class above Innuendo, though INNUENDO is obviously their best album in the preceding 15 years. I think some of the leveling inherent in Innuendo was due to matching Freddie's vocal takes versus the music. Possibly from overuse of programmed drums as well. HITMAN could benefit from a lively mix. HEADLONG as well I'd be scared to touch INNUENDO: so maybe just a pass through the equalizer would do it |
| brunogorski 22.06.2016 08:58 |
BETA215 wrote: Innuendo, without thinking it twice. Innuendo, sin pensarlo dos veces.Innuendo, sem pensar duas vezes! :P |
| malicedoom 22.06.2016 11:47 |
Hmmmmmm... close call, but: Innuendo |
| Estranged 28.06.2016 05:28 |
Innuendo, no contest, really. |
| Silken 28.06.2016 10:47 |
Innuendo, definitely. I love Made in Heaven, but Innuendo is one of their best albums. |
| mike hunt 28.06.2016 15:12 |
I Agree Innuendo tops MIH, but I do agree with the poster who said The Production on MIH is better. I also think Innuendo could have used the the Roger Taylor of the 70's. The heavier songs like Headlong and Hitman are proof of that. His drums sound weak. He Actually sounds better on MIH. While the Made In Heaven title track is one of Queens best, nothing on that album touches Innuendo and the show must go on, the same for These Are The Days Of Our lives. |
| Oscar J 28.06.2016 15:21 |
The drums in both Headlong and Hitman are partially drum machines I think. For some inexplicable reason. The drums in Innuendo (track) were quite good I think. |
| mike hunt 28.06.2016 18:00 |
That's my point, Roger was lazy in later years. Only Innuendo and Ride the wild wind he sounded good. Put the It's Late, Brighton Rock. SHA roger on Innuendo, think how much better it would have been. Thank God Brian took over MIH from Roger and John. He was more creative than the other two. Brian did a brilliant Job recreating the song Made In Heaven, somehow made you don't fool me into a good song. Both had great guitar work. |
| matt z 28.06.2016 19:17 |
mike hunt wrote: That's my point, Roger was lazy in later years. Only Innuendo and Ride the wild wind he sounded good. Put the It's Late, Brighton Rock. SHA roger on Innuendo, think how much better it would have been. Thank God Brian took over MIH from Roger and John. He was more creative than the other two. Brian did a brilliant Job recreating the song Made In Heaven, somehow made you don't fool me into a good song. Both had great guitar work.I think it's a GREAT album. Some here think it's a piece of caca doo doo with synths all over it. The thing is. ....before this becomes a praise of solely Brian:.... No known demos from John and Roger exist, soooo .... how will we know? |
| mike hunt 28.06.2016 21:34 |
True, we'll never know. I think MIH is consistenly good, but falls a bit short of great. Better than Coda from Zep. |
| Another Roger (re) 29.06.2016 06:49 |
What I am about to say now might not be popular. But I actually think the Innuendo-album is very overrated. Yes, it has several great songs, but as a whole I find it quite weak. It is probably the album with most songs that I always skip. Those are: The Hitman Ride the Wild Wind Headlong Delilah Don't Try so hard Bijou The show must go on, Innuendo and These are the days of our lives are of course great songs. The rocks retake of I cant live with you I also rate highly. Slightly mad and All Gods People are average songs. |
| Oscar J 29.06.2016 07:26 |
Funny, I've always considered Headlong a great rocker. Don't Try So Hard and Bijou are great songs in their own ways, Freddie and Brian being the high points obviously. Slightly Mad is a brilliant number as far as I'm concerned. |
| matt z 29.06.2016 07:44 |
Another Roger (re) wrote: What I am about to say now might not be popular. But I actually think the Innuendo-album is very overrated. Yes, it has several great songs, but as a whole I find it quite weak. It is probably the album with most songs that I always skip. Those are: The Hitman Ride the Wild Wind Headlong Delilah Don't Try so hard Bijou The show must go on, Innuendo and These are the days of our lives are of course great songs. The rocks retake of I cant live with you I also rate highly. Slightly mad and All Gods People are average songs.BLASPHEMERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (*but really, I can only agree with you on a really really really different point regarding "Ride the Wild Wind".... it's a pretty good song elevated to HEIGHTS by Brian's solos; but ultimately it's really The Bangles' "Walk Like An Egyptian") I love Bijou; it makes most of their 80's stuff sound like filler. Delilah's inclusion harkens back to the days when they didn't give a shit about having songs like: JESUS, BRING BACK THAT LEROY BROWN, LAZING ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON/GOOD COMPANY, THE MILLIONAIRES WALTZ, WHO NEEDS YOU, MUSTAPHA.....its twisted campy fun. Anyways, each to their own. I think Hitman is kinda dry in the mix owing to the recording style and boosting Freddie's timbre and volume on the album |
| Another Roger (re) 29.06.2016 08:11 |
matt z wrote:That I skip songs doesnt mean that they are bad songs really. Dont try so hard and Bijou has obvious qualities. But for some reason I always tend to skip those. The songs you compare to Delilahs inclusion: I love all of them! Delilah is quite catchy, but its not a song I tend to play a lot.Another Roger (re) wrote: What I am about to say now might not be popular. But I actually think the Innuendo-album is very overrated. Yes, it has several great songs, but as a whole I find it quite weak. It is probably the album with most songs that I always skip. Those are: The Hitman Ride the Wild Wind Headlong Delilah Don't Try so hard Bijou The show must go on, Innuendo and These are the days of our lives are of course great songs. The rocks retake of I cant live with you I also rate highly. Slightly mad and All Gods People are average songs.BLASPHEMERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (*but really, I can only agree with you on a really really really different point regarding "Ride the Wild Wind".... it's a pretty good song elevated to HEIGHTS by Brian's solos; but ultimately it's really The Bangles' "Walk Like An Egyptian") I love Bijou; it makes most of their 80's stuff sound like filler. Delilah's inclusion harkens back to the days when they didn't give a shit about having songs like: JESUS, BRING BACK THAT LEROY BROWN, LAZING ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON/GOOD COMPANY, THE MILLIONAIRES WALTZ, WHO NEEDS YOU, MUSTAPHA.....its twisted campy fun. Anyways, each to their own. I think Hitman is kinda dry in the mix owing to the recording style and boosting Freddie's timbre and volume on the album |
| mike hunt 01.07.2016 23:04 |
We're not comparing those really good/great songs from freddie like leroy brown, millianare waltz with Dililah are we? Anyway, Innuendo is solid, Bijou is the type of song Queen should have done In the 80's. Queen were showing their full talent again on Innuendo. Especially Freddie and Brian. |
| cmsdrums 06.07.2016 09:52 |
mike hunt wrote: Thank God Brian took over MIH from Roger and John. He was more creative than the other two. Brian did a brilliant Job recreating the song Made In Heaven, somehow made you don't fool me into a good song. Both had great guitar work.I've not heard the apparently extensive work that Roger and John had done on MIH before Brian joined the ssssions later on, so whilst his guitars would obviously add to the finished product, I can't say for sure that the examples of Made In Heaven and You Don't Fool Me weren't perhaps actually better before Brian's involvement. (Didn't Dave Richards do most of the work for YDFM?) It's a shame they didn't put some of Roger and John's working versions of the MIH tracks on as extras on the 2011 remasters. It would also be interesting to know if the tracklisting was exactly the same during their early work, or whether they were working with other Freddie or Queen tracks which Brian then changed for others? |
| mike hunt 07.07.2016 09:43 |
No one but you would have been a nice addition to Made In Heaven. I know it was written later on, but still would have been nice on the 2011 remasters. It fits in with the theme of the album. |
| Sebastian 08.07.2016 06:17 |
cmsdrums wrote: (Didn't Dave Richards do most of the work for YDFM?)Not necessarily. He stretched the bare bones of Freddie's recordings so they'd be usable, and of course he did the mix, but that doesn't even come close to 'most of the work.' It was significant, instrumental, paramount, etc., but not 'most of the work.' cmsdrums wrote: It's a shame they didn't put some of Roger and John's working versions of the MIH tracks on as extras on the 2011 remasters.Considering how tense that period could've been, I understand if they want to bury it. I do agree, of course, that it'd be interesting for us, but at the end of the day it's up to them. mike hunt wrote: No one but you would have been a nice addition to Made In Heaven. I know it was written later on,To be fair, as far as I know, it was written around '94, so theoretically it could've fit the timeline. |
| cmsdrums 08.07.2016 09:27 |
Sebastian wrote:Not sure how reliable this Wiki entry is, but for YDFM it says:cmsdrums wrote: (Didn't Dave Richards do most of the work for YDFM?)Not necessarily. He stretched the bare bones of Freddie's recordings so they'd be usable, and of course he did the mix, but that doesn't even come close to 'most of the work.' It was significant, instrumental, paramount, etc., but not 'most of the work.' . "May has explained on his website[citation needed] that the producer for the band, David Richards, more or less created the framework of the song single handedly, building from bits of lyrics recorded just before Mercury's death. May has said that before Richards' work, there was no song to speak of. However, after Richards edited and mixed the song (including a bit of harmonies recorded for "A Winter's Tale"), he presented it to the remaining members of the band. Brian May, Roger Taylor, and John Deacon then added their instruments and backing vocals and were surprised to end up with a finished song that had begun as nothing". As we know, Brian and Roger have often said that they had the art of recording backing vocals down to 'the sausage factory' (ie easy, and just churned out). Drums and bass are fairly 'vanilla' on that track, and whilst there is a lot of guitar, it's only one element of the final product. Based on that I'd say that the mental and emotional energy, as well as physical time spent editing, compiling snippets, adding keys parts, etc.. along with defining the whole concept of the song, it could be justified that Richard did in fact do "most of the work" on it. I'm not in any way stating this as definitive, but all things being equal, I'd wager that he could have spent far longer on that track, and had more of anyu influence on it, from start to finish than Brian, Roger and John combined. |
| Sebastian 08.07.2016 11:48 |
Here's Brian's original comment: 'As I remember, the bare bones of this song (and they were VERY bare!) were put down in the last sessions we did with Freddie in Montreux. When it came to piecing together Made in Heaven, the album, David Richards was keen to make the fragments into a finished song. I wasn't sure there was enough to work on! He got a long way with weaving textures around the vocal sections we had, stretching things out a little. I think both Roger, and John who had had a lot to do with those original fragments in the beginning, went in and added some ideas. There came a point where finally I got enthusistic, and I spent a day or so, with Dave, putting down a lot of different riffy ideas that came to me while listening to the rough so far. Dave then moved a lot of things around, and worked his magic (mixing is his speciality - he rescued a lot of stuff in the past, including Duran Duran tracks, for instance) - and then we all sat around and said, "Didn't we just play that perfectly!" ha ha! Well, that's probably an over-simplification.... but ... there you have it! I really like the track now - but not as much as I LOVE the title track, MADE IN HEAVEN, which I think is possibly the best sounding Queen track ever, and MOTHER LOVE, which is to me the most significant collaboration I ever had with Freddie ..... alongside the one afternon I spent with him on an embryonic verse of The Show Must Go On. I think I wrote about these things earlier .... But I digress... right ? !' |
| Dean_ 08.07.2016 16:42 |
Two of their best albums. I find myself listening to Made In Heaven a lot more though. |
| flash00. 18.07.2016 22:24 |
Without a doubt Innuendo, in my opinion Innuendo is Queen's greatest album pure genius. The Hitman is a great song freddie's vocals on that track are incredible |
| DaveyLane 26.07.2016 17:03 |
What's the point in comparing track to track in terms of the running order? Wouldn't it be best to compare songs by the style of song (compare bombastic ballad to bombastic ballad, Roger rocker to Roger rocker etc etc) |
| Sebastian 26.07.2016 17:18 |
'Made in Heaven' hasn't got any rocker from Rog. |
| DaveyLane 26.07.2016 21:43 |
OK, I meant to say "for example", my song descriptions weren't meant to be taken literally... |