| Chief Mouse 17.06.2016 16:09 |
Here's a little project that I've long wanted to do. Rock Montreal colours always looked off to me, basically take a gorgeous looking film footage and apply an Instagram filter to it, that's how you get Rock Montreal. My goal was to undo it, which requires going through the whole concert scene by scene, because one colour setting won't fit even one song for the most part. A sneak peak behind the edit (quite a bit of cuts, had I known maybe I wouldn't have bothered with this to begin with :P ) - https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7053/1x3x07oejo1x2bw7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> There are no colour references (the 2001 We Will Rock You DVD also has its flaws in my opinion) so the whole thing is totally subjective and corrected 'by eye'. So what you will see is what I think looks good. Might not look just as good to you, which is fine. This is an alternative version after all. Check these to get an approximate picture of the differences - http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176011 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176012 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176013 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176014 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176016 http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/176017 (Mouse over the image to reveal the comparison) --- As for the audio, it has 4 streams - 2007 DTS (default), 2001 Center Channel Mix (Semi Acapella isolated) for entertainment purposes and more clearly heard overdubs, BM & RT commentary track (along with all the 2007 subtitles in various languages lifted from the Blu Ray) and Saul Swimmer 2001 commentary track. Special thanks to Nitroboy (known as Simon Christensen on youtube) who synced and compiled the 2001 streams so that they can be added to Rock Montreal. This sure saved a bit of time :-) The video is in 1080p, just like the original and encoded at roughly 18 Mbps via x264 encoder - no quality / compression difference to the original was found when I carefully inspected and compared separate frames. A bit of sharpness was applied, which brought out a little more detail. Filesize - the whole thing is about 11.8 GB. What else? Well, this is a personal project and I'm not supposed to post it here, so those interested may PM me. |
| Oscar J 17.06.2016 17:03 |
Amazing job! |
| oligneisti 17.06.2016 17:54 |
I really like that. Those cold colors have always bothered me. |
| cmi 18.06.2016 03:55 |
Yes, now the image is full of life. GREAT! I don't understand how this cold-filtered footage was approved for release back in 2007... |
| rocknrolllover 18.06.2016 04:09 |
I really do not understand what you do not like the colors in the release from 2007. Maybe you have a monitor that something is wrong or with eyes. Or you decided to criticize everything |
| Chief Mouse 18.06.2016 04:19 |
rocknrolllover wrote: I really do not understand what you do not like the colors in the release from 2007. Maybe you have a monitor that something is wrong or with eyes. Or you decided to criticize everything Maybe you have a shite monitor. And have you seen the 2001 DVD which has totally different colours? This version is pretty much a compromise between the two. Reason I have watched Rock Montreal in its entirety about 3 times (once in a cinema) throughout the years is because colours distracted me from the performance. This version should fix this for myself and many other people. If you don't like it, stick to the original Blu Ray. |
| onedunpark 18.06.2016 04:29 |
This is fantastic work Chief!! PM on its way. Thank you. |
| NickESB 18.06.2016 04:32 |
rocknrolllover wrote: I really do not understand what you do not like the colors in the release from 2007. Maybe you have a monitor that something is wrong or with eyes. Or you decided to criticize everythingAll I'd say is look at the colour of that beer by Fred's piano in the first screenshot (from the existing release). If I got served that in a bar, I wouldn't go near it. Amazing work, CM, as ever. PM on its way. |
| alberbal12 18.06.2016 04:32 |
PM sent! |
| gambri 18.06.2016 04:48 |
Excellent work! |
| Vali 18.06.2016 06:35 |
Can't wait watching this! This is looking fantastic now! Tks a lot for the great job and sharing, Chief, really appreciated! PM on the way! |
| AB-88 18.06.2016 09:18 |
Holy shit this looks good now. Very nice work! |
| Chief Mouse 18.06.2016 10:01 |
Thanks everyone. Here's a video comparison created by Simon - . |
| brians wig 18.06.2016 10:34 |
Stunning job! |
| Bo Alex 18.06.2016 10:35 |
Qué al pedo que están para ponerse a hacer eso. Lean un libro la puta madre. |
| bootLuca 18.06.2016 10:41 |
Looks like a gigantic work, I'd be curious to see the difference with the colour correction made by Nitroboy! Thank you Luca |
| DepeX 18.06.2016 10:58 |
Outstanding job! Thank you Chief. |
| NickESB 18.06.2016 11:30 |
Had a look at the first 20 minutes, and this is the real deal, people. The definitive version, without a doubt. Never isolated the WWRY centre channel before, either, so hearing that is an added bonus. Thank you, Chief Mouse! |
| pittrek 18.06.2016 15:02 |
After checking We Will Rock You I can only repeat - great work! |
| Hangman_96 18.06.2016 15:26 |
Priceless job. Thank you! |
| onedunpark 18.06.2016 15:46 |
Thanks Chief Mouse for this. It's a fantastic piece of work. |
| popy 18.06.2016 16:34 |
Thanks :) |
| Biggus Dickus 18.06.2016 23:00 |
I'm not sure what's up with the Mega link, but my download always grinds to a halt on Firefox and Chrome won't even start downloading claiming it's out of HTML5 Offline Storage space. Bummer. |
| Chief Mouse 19.06.2016 03:22 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: I'm not sure what's up with the Mega link, but my download always grinds to a halt on Firefox and Chrome won't even start downloading claiming it's out of HTML5 Offline Storage space. Bummer. Not sure. Worked for others so far. I'd recommend Mega Downloader app. I always use it for large files http://megadownloaderapp.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/download-links-english.html . |
| Biggus Dickus 19.06.2016 04:18 |
Chief Mouse wrote:Biggus Dickus wrote: I'm not sure what's up with the Mega link, but my download always grinds to a halt on Firefox and Chrome won't even start downloading claiming it's out of HTML5 Offline Storage space. Bummer.Not sure. Worked for others so far. I'd recommend Mega Downloader app. I always use it for large files http://megadownloaderapp.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/download-links-english.html . Thanks, I'll try that one. |
| pittrek 19.06.2016 04:49 |
Or Free Rapid Downloader / jDownloader |
| Biggus Dickus 19.06.2016 10:19 |
I've got it working now, thanks. It looks great. |
| musicland munich 19.06.2016 14:12 |
In my opinion, it looks better than any other source I 've seen so far... Great Work Chief ! |
| Erik Viking 19.06.2016 15:01 |
Thanks. It should look like exactly like this. |
| Wilki Amieva 19.06.2016 16:42 |
Excellent work! Now if we only could do something about that horrible noise reduction... |
| earwig 19.06.2016 16:50 |
Completely awesome!!! So pleased you've done this - I will PM you too if I may ;-) |
| Chief Mouse 19.06.2016 16:51 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: Excellent work! Now if we only could do something about that horrible noise reduction...The grain is very strongly embedded and it already moves across the frames which makes temporal processing a bit useless. Maybe this can be dealt with without affecting the rest of the picture too much but my PC is not up for it either way :P I believe there are some heavy duty Avisynth plugins that could reduce the grain. |
| Nitroboy 19.06.2016 17:17 |
Chief Mouse wrote:This or MEGAsync (MEGA's own app) :)Biggus Dickus wrote: I'm not sure what's up with the Mega link, but my download always grinds to a halt on Firefox and Chrome won't even start downloading claiming it's out of HTML5 Offline Storage space. Bummer.Not sure. Worked for others so far. I'd recommend Mega Downloader app. I always use it for large files http://megadownloaderapp.blogspot.com.es/2013/01/download-links-english.html . bootLuca wrote: Looks like a gigantic work, I'd be curious to see the difference with the colour correction made by Nitroboy! Thank you LucaThis blows my own work out of the water completely. Chief Mouse has graded it shot by shot, which is necessary. My grading was only an overall filter, which worked on few particular shots (the ones used to calibrate), but all the rest still looked off :) THIS is the ultimate version, until Queen or Eagle Rock decide to re-release this with correct colours (hopefully in an UHD Blu-ray package) |
| Dodger Taylor 20.06.2016 08:59 |
Would love to see this with proper colour but seem unable to pm you chief mouse :/ |
| Chief Mouse 20.06.2016 09:42 |
^ PM received and returned :-) Check yours. |
| Dodger Taylor 20.06.2016 09:50 |
Cheers :) |
| The Real Wizard 20.06.2016 13:47 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: Excellent work! Now if we only could do something about that horrible noise reduction...On the original version, or this one? |
| Chief Mouse 20.06.2016 13:52 |
^ The original and this. It was processed this way in 2007 that the grain moves across the frames which looks pretty bad to be fair. This was done probably in order to remove all the film spots and dirt automatically which involved strong temporal processing. So this issue is apparent in my version as well as I didn't do anything to correct it. |
| Mr.QueenFan 20.06.2016 14:46 |
P.M sent. Thank you very much, Chief! This is a huge project, and you've donne it! I'm looking forward to watch this beauty. |
| advanced159 20.06.2016 19:55 |
It's weird how out of place sounds one of the overdubs in play the game. And even weirder is the fact that NIH(fast) and AOBTD are overdubbed almost completely |
| ColMan 21.06.2016 03:23 |
Tank you for this one. It has very nice colors :-) |
| aristide1 21.06.2016 11:55 |
Repent, for the kingdom of correct colors is near! Nitroboy just prepared the way for the Chief Mouse that is to come. |
| The Real Wizard 21.06.2016 13:27 |
advanced159 wrote: It's weird how out of place sounds one of the overdubs in play the game. And even weirder is the fact that NIH(fast) and AOBTD are overdubbed almost completelyIndeed - hearing that one channel isolated makes the overdubs clear as day. |
| Oscar J 21.06.2016 18:21 |
I have always had the feeling that Freddies high notes in AOBTD were way too perfect. |
| Nitroboy 21.06.2016 20:01 |
Oscar J wrote: I have always had the feeling that Freddies high notes in AOBTD were way too perfect.The funny thing is the original live vocal underneath the overdubbed one still hits the high notes. You essentially have 3 voices hitting B4s. 2x Freddie, and 1x Roger. |
| Biggus Dickus 22.06.2016 12:23 |
I just watched this version. It looks great and I have nothing bad to say about it. However, it's strange how much the video is ahead of the sound in some cases. It's not a case of using one nights audio with other nights sound as for example the drum fills are exactly the same, but the the video is clearly ahead of the sound. This is apparent in KYA for example. If it's not some glitch in my equipment it's strange how they can get something like this wrong on an official release. |
| Nitroboy 22.06.2016 15:04 |
If you're using VLC, press "J" 3 times to delay the audio by -150ms. That solves it. |
| Biggus Dickus 22.06.2016 23:20 |
^^ That worked. Thanks. |
| popy 22.06.2016 23:29 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: I just watched this version. It looks great and I have nothing bad to say about it. However, it's strange how much the video is ahead of the sound in some cases. It's not a case of using one nights audio with other nights sound as for example the drum fills are exactly the same, but the the video is clearly ahead of the sound. This is apparent in KYA for example. If it's not some glitch in my equipment it's strange how they can get something like this wrong on an official release.hum... so after all i'm not the only one noticing this, but with one difference: not only this is present on this file, but is something that always bothered me on the ORIGINAL blu-ray. Hasn't anyone noticed this before? Now watching this, and with the little that i saw, even the audio tracks from the 2001 DVD are better synced with the video than the original DTS-HD track. Somebody to Love is a pretty good example of this. A even better example is on Let Me Entertain You, check Roger hiting the snare from 00:06:46 to 00:06:48 and compare the DTS track with the 2001 centre channel track. On DTS you see him hiting the snare but you only hear the snare sound AFTER the camera angle changes. Both examples are on the original blu-ray, on both surround and stereo tracks. The problem is on the original. As i said, the 2001 DVD tracks in this file are better synced. Thanks for the link Chief Mouse, great work. |
| pittrek 23.06.2016 01:16 |
Correct, the problem has been always there. I always automatically assumed it was a half arsed job done for the theatrical release, a result of using video and audio from different nights. All of the versions had different f-ups, e.g. the VHS version in Killer Queen you could hear Freddie's voice when the camera has shown he's not singing, the same goes for e.g. WWRY fast in the 2001 DVD, and a lot of instances where they had a few frames long difference between the audio and the video tracks. Still not so horrible as the Rainbow VHS :) And I absolutely agree, great work. I've seen it last evening and this was the first time I was actually able to watch the whole thing from the beginning till the end without needing breaks for my eyes. |
| Nitroboy 23.06.2016 01:58 |
My theory is that that they ALWAYS (this is present on all releases) shift the audio by -50 or -100 ms (or thereabout), to make up for the distance that people usually watch it at on their TVs (several meters). We who watch this on our computers are much closer, and as such have speakers or headphones delivering the sound almost instantaneously. Thus we see the audio being out of sync. The reason the 2001 center channel (and the Saul Swimmer commentary track) doesn't have this issue, is because I synchronized it that way :) I notice videos I've worked on are in sync on my computer, but when I watch it on our TV from about 3-4 meters away; it's not. Just my own "observation" :) |
| Oscar J 23.06.2016 07:59 |
Speed of sound ˜ 343 m/s. So if people usually watch it from a 3 - 4 meter distance, they'd only need to delay the video about 10 ms after the audio. Also, in this case - wasn't it actually the audio that was delayed? Because that doesn't make sense. |
| Dodger Taylor 23.06.2016 08:42 |
I got to 87% downloading it on Google Chrome n got a message saying browser memory full.Not tech minded so not sure how to download it......heeeellllpppp lol :/ |
| pittrek 23.06.2016 09:07 |
Dodger Taylor wrote: I got to 87% downloading it on Google Chrome n got a message saying browser memory full.Not tech minded so not sure how to download it......heeeellllpppp lol :/Use some download software. I personally can recommend Free Rapid Downloader or jDownloader2, and mega has its own downloader. |
| Dodger Taylor 23.06.2016 09:10 |
I saw a link on a post previously in this thread about a downloader but wasn't sure that was what I needed.Will give it a try :) Just trying MEGAsync......only time will tell if Iv done it correctly lol |
| jazz 1979 23.06.2016 11:51 |
Where's the download link plz ? |
| popy 23.06.2016 11:55 |
Does that actually make any sense? We are watching in a home environment, not in a cinema or outdoors far away from the screen. In my opinion, this was not a choice, but an error. |
| Nitroboy 23.06.2016 13:21 |
jazz 1979 wrote: Where's the download link plz ?Read the post... |
| popy 23.06.2016 14:34 |
Nitroboy wrote: My theory is that that they ALWAYS (this is present on all releases) shift the audio by -50 or -100 ms (or thereabout), to make up for the distance that people usually watch it at on their TVs (several meters). We who watch this on our computers are much closer, and as such have speakers or headphones delivering the sound almost instantaneously. Thus we see the audio being out of sync. The reason the 2001 center channel (and the Saul Swimmer commentary track) doesn't have this issue, is because I synchronized it that way :) I notice videos I've worked on are in sync on my computer, but when I watch it on our TV from about 3-4 meters away; it's not. Just my own "observation" :) As i said in my previous post, in a home environment that doesn't make sense. And what you say makes even less sense because light travels faster than sound, so sound would arrive later than the image as you go farther away from you tv. So in Rock Montreal, as you increase viewing distance, the audio and video out-of-sync problem would be even worst than it already is. Also, 5.1 home systems have speaker placement and distance to listening point configuration. You see the picture, and then you hear the audio. On Let Me Entertain You, Roger hits the snare from 00:06:46 to 00:06:48. You see him hiting the snare, but you only hear the sound of the snare after the camera angle changes to a side stage camera. If it was like you describe, it should be the other way round. This out-of-sync thing in Rock Montreal is an error and not a conscious decision. It can't be a conscious decision because the way light and sound travel. That's why, in big stadium concerts, you need PA system across the venue because sound in front of the stage would arrive later than the image in the back of the stadium. |
| Nitroboy 23.06.2016 15:01 |
You are correct. I was mixing it up with my video bootlegs where the sound is delayed because of the length of the venues :P To fix it permanently, you guys can extract the DTS audio track and put it back into the MKV file with a negative delay of ~100ms :) |
| advanced159 23.06.2016 16:42 |
To be honest I didn't notice any delays playing the concert at normal speed....I had to play the Let me entertain you part at 0.50x to see what you guys were talking about |
| Oscar J 23.06.2016 18:20 |
Can somebody point to that bit in Let Me Entertain You in a Youtube vid? I can't see the delay issue everyone's talking about. |
| popy 23.06.2016 23:38 |
1 minute and 35 seconds mark |
| Nitroboy 24.06.2016 05:08 |
You can see it better at 1:55. Look at Roger's drumming, where you hear the snare when he pulls his hand AWAY from the snare drum. |
| Oscar J 24.06.2016 11:15 |
I have no delay issues, he hits the snare at pretty much exactly the same time as the audio. Even at 0.25x speed. Wonder if it has something to do with Flash Player, sound card, CPU, etc? |
| Chief Mouse 24.06.2016 11:26 |
Hmm, well I didn't really think of looking into the audio aspect of this, because the DTS was muxed in directly from the BR trusting it would have been good enough. I didn't have audio in the timeline because it would have likely slowed down my PC even more so didn't really spot any sync issues. |
| popy 24.06.2016 12:20 |
Try to "air-drum" on various parts of the concert where it's possible to see Roger hiting things. It will be even more noticable. |
| pittrek 24.06.2016 13:13 |
Oscar J wrote: I have no delay issues, he hits the snare at pretty much exactly the same time as the audio. Even at 0.25x speed. Wonder if it has something to do with Flash Player, sound card, CPU, etc?See? Because of people like you they don't bother to sync it properly :-) Honestly, the delay IS there and it's not constant, for example in this particular video Freddie is synchronised often correctly, but Roger is often not. But I do understand that not everybody notices stuff like that. Most of people won't. |
| Chief Mouse 24.06.2016 13:27 |
Well, the video would need to be cut up and adjusted to fit the audio but they're using the original cut and they have no rushes right? Would anyone really want to chop up and adjust the audio? I think there is no fix apart from just trying not to notice it. If I missed something or I'm wrong, correct me please. |
| pittrek 24.06.2016 14:27 |
I agree, ignoring it is probably the best solution. I am pretty sure 90% of people won't notice it. |
| advanced159 24.06.2016 14:54 |
Since I was going to (de)mux the mkv to add the subtitle track with the lyrics like the 2002 dvd, I added the -100ms delay that nitroboy suggested and it goes really well. I checked with Love of my life, get down make love, bohemian rhapsody and another one bites the dust and the snare hits are in sync and still can't find any parts where Freddie is unsynchronized. |
| popy 24.06.2016 15:04 |
Oscar J wrote: I have no delay issues, he hits the snare at pretty much exactly the same time as the audio. Even at 0.25x speed. Wonder if it has something to do with Flash Player, sound card, CPU, etc? Flash player? You asked for a youtube video so you could see what i'm talking about. We're talking Blu-Ray. The problem is there in the original. The begining of Keep Yourself Alive is another good example. Try air-druming in Keep Yourself Alive intro and keep looking at Roger. You'll go out of sync. It's a problem in the original Blu-Ray, not the flash player, CPU, etc. |
| Oscar J 24.06.2016 15:47 |
It is much more noticeable in this. It is also noticeable 1:35 into the LMEY video, but at 1:55 the audio isn't out of sync anymore as far as I can tell. Like pittrek said, it probably comes and goes. Was considering hardware/software reasons since we were discussing delays at specific timestamps in a youtube video, and Nitroboy was hearing a delay in a spot I definitely didn't. But I'm sure the delay issues are there in the original Blu-Ray as well. But yeah, I'm definitely among the 90 % who don't care. The music is what it's all about for me. :) |
| MERQRY 25.06.2016 04:14 |
pittrek wrote: I agree, ignoring it is probably the best solution. I am pretty sure 90% of people won't notice it.I haven't watch Montreal in ages, but I noticed a BIG problem of sync (with Roger too) during ITLOG in Rainbow release :O They seem to have some "problems" mixing two nights... so, what could we expect with Earls Court if they choose to do these 2xNight compilations? (well, in the case they decided to release it) |
| popy 25.06.2016 10:44 |
The Blu-Ray is a audiovisual medium so when i buy a movie, tv series or a concert, the one thing that i would expect is the audio being in sync with the video. If i didn't care about it, i would just listen to the CD of the concert, or rip the audio from the Blu-Ray. But don't expect anyone buying a Blu-Ray to watch and hear a concert and NOT be bothered when video and audio are out of sync all the time. |
| pittrek 25.06.2016 10:51 |
MERQRY wrote:Hey, can you check your PMs? I sent you one a few weeks/months ago :-)pittrek wrote: I agree, ignoring it is probably the best solution. I am pretty sure 90% of people won't notice it.I haven't watch Montreal in ages, but I noticed a BIG problem of sync (with Roger too) during ITLOG in Rainbow release :O They seem to have some "problems" mixing two nights... so, what could we expect with Earls Court if they choose to do these 2xNight compilations? (well, in the case they decided to release it) |
| Chief Mouse 25.06.2016 11:06 |
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| Nitroboy 03.07.2016 18:50 |
Bump, so more people will experience this. |
| Killer_queenIII 03.07.2016 19:11 |
i've been trying to download this twice, but I keep getting a transfer error when I get near 100. (i'm using MEGAsync btw) It's getting annoying, especially when this took me 1-2 weeks to download it. I can only guess it's my shitty internet not willing to download a 11GB file. Will there be a torrent of this release? |
| Chief Mouse 04.07.2016 08:48 |
Killer_queenIII wrote: i've been trying to download this twice, but I keep getting a transfer error when I get near 100. (i'm using MEGAsync btw) It's getting annoying, especially when this took me 1-2 weeks to download it. I can only guess it's my shitty internet not willing to download a 11GB file. Will there be a torrent of this release? Use Mega Downloader. To save your time, I attached my version of it. I guarantee it will work as it has for a few people whom I sent this already. |
| Chinwonder2 04.07.2016 15:39 |
Chief Mouse wrote:Killer_queenIII wrote: i've been trying to download this twice, but I keep getting a transfer error when I get near 100. (i'm using MEGAsync btw) It's getting annoying, especially when this took me 1-2 weeks to download it. I can only guess it's my shitty internet not willing to download a 11GB file. Will there be a torrent of this release?Use Mega Downloader. To save your time, I attached my version of it. I guarantee it will work as it has for a few people whom I sent this already. If that doesn't work out, you can use JDownloader: http://jdownloader.org/download -Chin |
| Dodger Taylor 05.07.2016 07:32 |
Chief Mouse wrote:Thanks Chief I finally managed to download it first time using that downloader......well worth downloading....excellent :)Killer_queenIII wrote: i've been trying to download this twice, but I keep getting a transfer error when I get near 100. (i'm using MEGAsync btw) It's getting annoying, especially when this took me 1-2 weeks to download it. I can only guess it's my shitty internet not willing to download a 11GB file. Will there be a torrent of this release?Use Mega Downloader. To save your time, I attached my version of it. I guarantee it will work as it has for a few people whom I sent this already. |
| Killer_queenIII 05.07.2016 09:08 |
@Chief & Chin: Thanks a bunch, guys! I shall give either one of them a try soon |
| Carotis 05.08.2019 18:22 |
Hello :) Please, share a link to the concert video. Thank. |
| Chief Mouse 05.08.2019 19:37 |
Check my signature for all my stuff. |