QueenZone discussion #1453824
John Deacon related Question about Knight`s Tale Recordings
| musicland munich 05.06.2016 12:30 |
Looks like I am making myself a fool again.... ta !no problem with that :) Here is my question. Do we KNOW that John was part of the recordings for the Queen/ RW Version of WATC in 2001? Did he quit during the recordings and simply drop his job ? If he was there, at least for a meeting or a rehearsal it adds more substance to his quote about RW "I don't want to be nasty, but Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury" Was he unsatisfied with RW's talent ? Was he pissed that everyone in the room starts predending "Hey this is the new QUEEN" ? A lot of options are free to conjecture about... |
| MAYniac91 05.06.2016 12:37 |
On the promo for that version is Brian May listed as the bass player. So Mr. Deacon wasn't really part of that recording. |
| musicland munich 05.06.2016 12:48 |
MAYniac91 wrote: On the promo for that version is Brian May listed as the bass player. So Mr. Deacon wasn't really part of that recording.Well of course. That counts for the final product for sure. But there are a lot of options before that point. That's why I have also mentioned meetings / rehearsals. |
| mooghead 05.06.2016 12:58 |
KNOW? No. Speculate? Well.. this is Queenzone.... lets turn it into a discussion about what should be released in the next year..... and......... GO! |
| Sebastian 05.06.2016 13:04 |
I've always thought that quote is fake. |
| musicland munich 05.06.2016 13:15 |
mooghead wrote: KNOW? No. Speculate? Well.. this is Queenzone.... lets turn it into a discussion about what should be released in the next year..... and......... GO!Ok Moogy...you have the permission to do your speculations :)... ....IF it didn't end up like your weird thesis about "Dragon Attack" |
| Marknow 05.06.2016 13:53 |
John had fuck all to do with A Knights Tale version of WATC, and the quotes attributed to him Re Robbie Williams are quite simply true. |
| mooghead 05.06.2016 14:30 |
musicland munich wrote:Ok.. I dont care about the original post. Where is the Hyde Park concert? Where is the '(name any concert from 10 or 25 or 25 years ago concert)' I demand product because I am a Queen fan God Damn It!!!mooghead wrote: KNOW? No. Speculate? Well.. this is Queenzone.... lets turn it into a discussion about what should be released in the next year..... and......... GO!Ok Moogy...you have the permission to do your speculations :)... ....IF it didn't end up like your weird thesis about "Dragon Attack" |
| Mr.QueenFan 05.06.2016 14:37 |
musicland munich wrote: (...) If he was there, at least for a meeting or a rehearsal it adds more substance to his quote about RW "I don't want to be nasty, but Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury" Was he unsatisfied with RW's talent ? Was he pissed that everyone in the room starts predending "Hey this is the new QUEEN" ? A lot of options are free to conjecture about...I never believed John Deacon said this, for the simple fact that at the time i've read that it was a phone interview with John. As far as i'm aware the last time John spoke publicly was in a 1995 message to Queen fans at the convention: link After this he didn't participate in "Champions of the World" or any other documentary about the band. It was even claimed he said that the finished result of WATC was rubbish or something along the same lines. I doubt that he gave this phone interview! I don't even think John ever gave an interview to guitar player mags or Bass player mags in all these years, let alone tabloids. Having said this, i remember an old site in geocities where a fan spotted John Deacon at a festival around this time and expressed his concerns about the fact that Robbie was becoming the new Queen frontman. According to this fan John said to not worry, because it would never happen. He took a couple of pics of John with a cap on, and long hair, denim jeans and some boots on. At the time he looked like a beggar :-) So, there you have it. Even if i don't believe John said it, maybe he felt what Queen fans felt at the time. As for the other question, i don't believe John was ever a part of this project, because it was never mentioned anywhere. And i don't think John would leave a project unfinished after he agreed to it. |
| matt z 05.06.2016 18:02 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:Any chance of finding that photo? Did he look like AKOM beggar John, or a totally new beggar John?musicland munich wrote: (...) If he was there, at least for a meeting or a rehearsal it adds more substance to his quote about RW "I don't want to be nasty, but Robbie Williams is no Freddie Mercury" Was he unsatisfied with RW's talent ? Was he pissed that everyone in the room starts predending "Hey this is the new QUEEN" ? A lot of options are free to conjecture about...I never believed John Deacon said this, for the simple fact that at the time i've read that it was a phone interview with John. As far as i'm aware the last time John spoke publicly was in a 1995 message to Queen fans at the convention: link After this he didn't participate in "Champions of the World" or any other documentary about the band. It was even claimed he said that the finished result of WATC was rubbish or something along the same lines. I doubt that he gave this phone interview! I don't even think John ever gave an interview to guitar player mags or Bass player mags in all these years, let alone tabloids. Having said this, i remember an old site in geocities where a fan spotted John Deacon at a festival around this time and expressed his concerns about the fact that Robbie was becoming the new Queen frontman. According to this fan John said to not worry, because it would never happen. He took a couple of pics of John with a cap on, and long hair, denim jeans and some boots on. At the time he looked like a beggar :-) So, there you have it. Even if i don't believe John said it, maybe he felt what Queen fans felt at the time. As for the other question, i don't believe John was ever a part of this project, because it was never mentioned anywhere. And i don't think John would leave a project unfinished after he agreed to it. |
| musicland munich 05.06.2016 23:28 |
Ok, found the full "interview"...The Sun...again...he refused to be a part of that collaboration in the forerun. link |
| cmsdrums 06.06.2016 01:21 |
I have three problems with the 'interview' in The Sun: I don't think John would have been at an event like a 'Pop Bitch' gossip column launch Even if he were, would he really have given an interview, and do tho words really sound like him? If the quotes are genuine, did they get them from him by 'foul means', ie make him believe they were a fan or general attendee rather than a member of the Press? |
| Togg 06.06.2016 02:49 |
All total bullshit, John has kept himself to himself since the end of the 90's, The Sun simply makes 98% of their paper up to fill the bloody thing up and make people buy it by trying to have fake celebrity headlines, never believe ANYTHING you read in any tabloid and only 5% in a broadsheet. Simple |
| Sebastian 06.06.2016 07:31 |
Togg wrote: All total bullshit, John has kept himself to himself since the end of the 90's, The Sun simply makes 98% of their paper up to fill the bloody thing up and make people buy it by trying to have fake celebrity headlines, never believe ANYTHING you read in any tabloid and only 5% in a broadsheet. SimpleExactly! |
| Costa86 06.06.2016 09:44 |
Yes as the others have said, it's highly unlikely that John Deacon would be at a "Save Pop Bitch party" - this is a man who has done his best to lead a very private life. Can you imagine him all of a sudden deciding to attend some party and start spouting fairly offensive remarks about a famous popstar? Doesn't seem like John to me. Why would he care about Pop Bitch anyway? Seems like a pretty random event for him to decide to be at. The guy didn't even attend the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction FFS The "Robbie Wiliams is no Freddie Mercury" quote has been repeated time and time again because it makes the sort of sound people like to here. Who knows, he might have really thought that in private, but I doubt he ever said it on record. |
| Costa86 06.06.2016 09:50 |
double post... |
| musicland munich 06.06.2016 11:34 |
To PLAY the Devils Advocate...I hope this is a common term around the world and doesn't lead to pointless insultings ;) Why should JD go to such an event like Pop Bitch He had business interests He was bored He was drunk/stoned/ on Meds...AGAIN !!! RW will never replace FM... True in hindsight...PR and AL replaced Freddie. They are not better or worse than RW. I 've played in a Band myself...if you asking the bass Player about what's going on in a Band and you get a reply...it is as good or as bad as an article printed in "The Sun" It doesn't have to be true. |
| mooghead 06.06.2016 13:22 |
"Ok Moogy...you have the permission to do your speculations :)... ....IF it didn't end up like your weird thesis about "Dragon Attack" " Remind me?! |
| Mr.QueenFan 06.06.2016 16:21 |
matt z wrote:I don't know if this is the exact photo, but you'll get an idea of his style at the time.Mr.QueenFan wrote: (...) Having said this, i remember an old site in geocities where a fan spotted John Deacon at a festival around this time and expressed his concerns about the fact that Robbie was becoming the new Queen frontman. According to this fan John said to not worry, because it would never happen. He took a couple of pics of John with a cap on, and long hair, denim jeans and some boots on. At the time he looked like a beggar :-) So, there you have it. Even if i don't believe John said it, maybe he felt what Queen fans felt at the time. As for the other question, i don't believe John was ever a part of this project, because it was never mentioned anywhere. And i don't think John would leave a project unfinished after he agreed to it.Any chance of finding that photo? Did he look like AKOM beggar John, or a totally new beggar John? link It's interesting that the more i look at the pic the more i think it is the one, but i thought he was wearing a red jacket like the guy behind him. Interesting how the mind works. You can find this picture on page 12 in the Queenzone picture section - John Deacon, and a similar picture on page 11 with him with the cap on. Great style :-) |
| matt z 06.06.2016 22:41 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:Wow. Looks like handsome devil Fred Mandel there! .... fashionable 1990's ... crotch hugger jeansmatt z wrote:I don't know if this is the exact photo, but you'll get an idea of his style at the time. link It's interesting that the more i look at the pic the more i think it is the one, but i thought he was wearing a red jacket like the guy behind him. Interesting how the mind works. You can find this picture on page 12 in the Queenzone picture section - John Deacon, and a similar picture on page 11 with him with the cap on. Great style :-)Mr.QueenFan wrote: (...) Having said this, i remember an old site in geocities where a fan spotted John Deacon at a festival around this time and expressed his concerns about the fact that Robbie was becoming the new Queen frontman. According to this fan John said to not worry, because it would never happen. He took a couple of pics of John with a cap on, and long hair, denim jeans and some boots on. At the time he looked like a beggar :-) So, there you have it. Even if i don't believe John said it, maybe he felt what Queen fans felt at the time. As for the other question, i don't believe John was ever a part of this project, because it was never mentioned anywhere. And i don't think John would leave a project unfinished after he agreed to it.Any chance of finding that photo? Did he look like AKOM beggar John, or a totally new beggar John? |
| Togg 07.06.2016 06:38 |
In 1995 I was lucky enough to meet John Deacon and I can tell you without hesitation that he was an incredibly shy individual, very uncomfortable at first meeting but after he realised I was simply saying hello and not after anything he was polite and grateful. Sadly he was 180 degrees away from what you would expect a rock star to be, I find it almost unthinkable that he would speak to a jounalist from that point on, he clearly didnt even like being out in public. |
| Negative Creep 07.06.2016 14:21 |
Sorry - but there's no doubt John said that to a reporter. No doubt it wasn't part of a formal interview and was maybe a bit pissed, but if he hadn't even been at that event it would have been reported somewhere. |
| Sebastian 07.06.2016 16:14 |
Negative Creep wrote: Sorry - but there's no doubt John said that to a reporter. No doubt it wasn't part of a formal interview and was maybe a bit pissed, but if he hadn't even been at that event it would have been reported somewhere.Of course there is doubt, substantial doubt in fact ... and the whole 'if he hadn't even been ...' is nonsense ... the overwhelming majority of the info you find on tabloids is pure rubbish, and odds are, this is part of said rubbish. |
| Togg 08.06.2016 02:47 |
Negative Creep wrote: Sorry - but there's no doubt John said that to a reporter. No doubt it wasn't part of a formal interview and was maybe a bit pissed, but if he hadn't even been at that event it would have been reported somewhere. I'm guessing by that comment you're one of those people that think the Daily Mail is actually a 'NEWS' paper... |
| Costa86 08.06.2016 03:54 |
The best (or worst) US equivalent of the British tabloids, I would say, is that ghastly publication the National Enquirer, which constantly publishes complete lies, or half-truths, at the expense of people's reputation. |
| Togg 08.06.2016 05:23 |
You have to laugh at the phrase "but there's no doubt John said that to a reporter" Seriously...? You really think if you read it in a paper it's true? These papers are there for two reasons, one to entertain and the other is to spin a political line defined by the editor, The entertainment side is simply rubbish that they make up to fit a photograph, the better the picture or the bigger the celeb the more the paper will sell, and that is the bottom line, without sales they all lose their jobs... so just fill it with anything they can, just ask pretty well any celebrity how many times they have successfully sued a paper, Elton, Hugh Grant etc... heard of the levinson report? no... Google it. The second and more distrubing thing is these papers spin political stories, they only publish one side of any discussion or argument, so you NEVER get a balanced informed read, you only get what the Editor wants you to read... So go make your informed decisions based on what the Daily Mail tells you and you might as well had in your voting card to a squirrel, cause he will have a better idea of the truth. Facts are very hard to find in the world of the News papers, TV and media, you get more truth about what is actually happening by reading Twitter and seeing at least both sides of a discussion. So when you say 'there is no doubt' unless you were the journalist, trust me there is more doubt than anything else... |
| Sebastian 08.06.2016 05:53 |
Togg wrote: So when you say 'there is no doubt' unless you were the journalist, trust me there is more doubt than anything else...I'd say there's more doubt than anything else *especially* if you were the journalist. |
| Vocal harmony 08.06.2016 08:21 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/ I don't even think John ever gave an interview to guitar player mags or Bass player mags in all these years, let alone tabloids.In 1979 leading up to The Crazy Tour he did a brilliant in depth interview with International Musician (a long out of circulation UK mag) in it he talked about how he joined the band, the recent US tour and his equipment. I believe this is the only proper in depth interview he did. As regards to the UK gutter, tabloid, press many things get reported as actual conversations but are often third hand quotes if not complete fabrications |
| kosimodo 08.06.2016 14:12 |
That interview i would like to read! |
| Mr.QueenFan 08.06.2016 18:15 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Thank you for this information :-)Mr.QueenFan wrote:[/ I don't even think John ever gave an interview to guitar player mags or Bass player mags in all these years, let alone tabloids.In 1979 leading up to The Crazy Tour he did a brilliant in depth interview with International Musician (a long out of circulation UK mag) in it he talked about how he joined the band, the recent US tour and his equipment. I believe this is the only proper in depth interview he did. (...) I just did a Google search and here it is: link Great inteview! |
| musicland munich 08.06.2016 18:40 |
^ Nice Link ! Meanwhile I've found a second source that John attended that Party. Of course that is no evidence for the Quotes about RW. link |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 08.06.2016 20:27 |
I thought Johns famous comments about Robbie Williams were attributed to an "interview" he gave at one of the We Will Rock You Musical premieres. |
| user1 11.06.2016 07:11 |
Next step of the naysayers is to tell us that he loves what Brian and Roger did after 1997 and he is No 1 fan of their sh*tty cover band "Queen+" |
| Sebastian 11.06.2016 08:32 |
user1 wrote: Next step of the naysayers is to tell us that he loves what Brian and Roger did after 1997 and he is No 1 fan of their sh*tty cover band "Queen+"He probably does love it since it's generating more money for him. But no, the world is not black and white, and it's not a greyscale either: there are millions of colours, and not being able to see the IR or the UV doesn't mean they don't exist. The theory of John hating Robbie's cover of 'Champions' is entirely plausible; the theory of John talking to the tabloids about it is utter tosh in my opinion. |