| victorvortex 27.05.2016 09:28 |
Hi, Many apologies if this has been asked before but how many Queen gigs were professionally recorded i.e. good enough to release as an album ? I'm guessing stuff like Houston '77 and Earl's Court are a given ? |
| dudeofqueen 27.05.2016 09:48 |
Please refer to the following thread where Greg Brooks claims this: link Somehow, I've never believed this to be the complete contents.......... Wonder what Brian has stashed away......? |
| pittrek 27.05.2016 11:07 |
RECORDED (audio) 1973 Golders Green Hippodrome - not on Greg's list 1974 3 complete Rainbow Theatre concerts - not on Greg's list ("some of Nov gig") 1975 Hammersmith Odeon 1976 Hyde Park 1977 2 nights at Earls Court, 1 night at Houston 1978 3 nights Empire Pool - unconfirmed 1979 all concerts between Brussels and Paris, at least 2 nights at Tokyo, Hammersmith Odeon 1980 unknown 1981 all concerts in Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, maybe even Mexico, also both Montreal nights 1982 according to some sources the complete European leg of the Hot Space tour + Seibu LIons 1984 unknown 1985 Rock In Rio, Live Aid 1986 every concert from the Live Magic Tour - rumour, we definitely know only about Slane Castle, Knebworth, 2 Wembley Nights and Budapest and a lot of bits recorded by various TV crews all over Europe ONLY FILMED 1975 - Tokyo GOOD ENOUGH FOR RELEASE unknown |
| Killer_queenIII 27.05.2016 11:16 |
^ Weren't Japan '75 and '85 recorded as well? You left out Montreal for '81 btw |
| pittrek 27.05.2016 11:25 |
Killer_queenIII wrote: ^ Weren't Japan '75 and '85 recorded as well? You left out Montreal for '81 btwThanks |
| Doga 27.05.2016 14:14 |
pittrek wrote: RECORDED (audio) 1982 according to some sources the complete European leg of the Hot Space tourWho are these sources, if i may ask? Also, finally a "serious" topic based on facts and not in tastes. |
| Chinwonder2 27.05.2016 14:54 |
What about Paris 1980 and New Zealand 1985. Although I don't personally believe the New Zealand footage exists. :( -Chin |
| DepeX 27.05.2016 15:10 |
pittrek wrote: RECORDED (audio) 1984 Unknown I'd say Sun City |
| The Real Wizard 27.05.2016 15:14 |
pittrek wrote: 1981 all concerts in Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, maybe even Mexico 1982 according to some sources the complete European leg of the Hot Space tour 1986 every concert from the Live Magic TourThese I've never heard confirmation of. In 86 I know they recorded things like Slane and Manchester, but not much more (besides the shows that've been released, of course. My only real hope here is that they recorded more US News Of The World shows. If Bob Harris was doing his documentary, then you'd like to think they recorded the shows from the board that were being filmed, like Fort Worth and Vegas. |
| pittrek 27.05.2016 16:08 |
Doga wrote:Old version of queenconcerts.com if I remember correctly.pittrek wrote: RECORDED (audio) 1982 according to some sources the complete European leg of the Hot Space tourWho are these sources, if i may ask? Also, finally a "serious" topic based on facts and not in tastes. |
| pittrek 27.05.2016 16:10 |
Chinwonder wrote: What about Paris 1980 and New Zealand 1985. Although I don't personally believe the New Zealand footage exists. :( -ChinI always assumed those were only short bits recorded by local TV stations |
| The Real Wizard 27.05.2016 16:12 |
DepeX wrote:Unlikely.pittrek wrote: RECORDED (audio) 1984 UnknownI'd say Sun City What we've heard is a 2-track tape, which they recorded at every show from about 1975 onward. |
| pittrek 27.05.2016 16:19 |
The Real Wizard wrote:1981 - yes, that's why I gave a "maybe" to Mexico, but now I'm not sure about Venezuela anymore - we definitely know they recorded (at least footage) of one of the concerts.pittrek wrote: 1981 all concerts in Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, maybe even Mexico 1982 according to some sources the complete European leg of the Hot Space tour 1986 every concert from the Live Magic TourThese I've never heard confirmation of. In 86 I know they recorded things like Slane and Manchester, but not much more (besides the shows that've been released, of course. My only real hope here is that they recorded more US News Of The World shows. If Bob Harris was doing his documentary, then you'd like to think they recorded the shows from the board that were being filmed, like Fort Worth and Vegas. 1982 - I was pretty sure I read it on Martin's old site but I can't find it anywhere there, so maybe it's all BS 1986 - correct, I edited my original response. The Bob Harris footage would be great, I'd definitely buy a 50 Bluray box set of uncut BH stuff :-) |
| Doga 27.05.2016 17:00 |
The archivist said in 1986 they recorded all the UK shows and Budapest (makes sense). And yes, i too, expect some shows from 1977 and 78 to be properly recorded, it doesn't matter if they are the americans or the british in the Empire Pool. |
| luthorn 27.05.2016 21:24 |
That's a real crime perfectionists such as Queen would not record their shows at soundboard. |
| The Real Wizard 28.05.2016 10:51 |
luthorn wrote: That's a real crime perfectionists such as Queen would not record their shows at soundboard.Back then no band recorded every show with a mobile recording rig - it was very expensive ! It was a lot of work to get a proper recording of a show before the digital age. It's easy to get a mono or stereo mixdown, which they did every night, but a full 24-track is a whole other story. |
| damiandaj 28.05.2016 11:08 |
Japan 85 Mannheim 86? Newcastle 86 Manchester 86 - some overdubs (Wembley 2nd night) come from this show (for example 2nd verse We Are The Champions ''And I ain't gonna lose'') |
| mooghead 28.05.2016 14:52 |
"Many apologies if this has been asked before" Nope, never. The rest of the thread definitely will NOT be clogged up by complete and utter speculation. |
| brENsKi 28.05.2016 17:35 |
Doga wrote:The archivist said in 1986 they recorded all the UK shows and Budapest (makes sense).yes. he did. but let's be realistic for a moment here. If "the Librarian" said the sky was blue and the grass was green, then any intelligent person would look outside to be sure - rather than take HIS word for it. |
| MercurialFreddie 29.05.2016 06:52 |
If we refer to "Real Magic" docu shown before Hungarian Rhapsody in cinemas, then we've heard how superior and professionally sounding is the sound of these bits as compared to bootlegs (for example Mannheim). See here: link |
| Biggus Dickus 29.05.2016 09:09 |
damiandaj wrote: Japan 85 Mannheim 86? Newcastle 86 Manchester 86 - some overdubs (Wembley 2nd night) come from this show (for example 2nd verse We Are The Champions ''And I ain't gonna lose'') That overdub isn't from Manchester. In the Manchester version he doesn't sustain the Bb4 ("lose") which he does in the 2nd night Wembley version. My guess is that it's a studio overdub. |
| brENsKi 29.05.2016 10:51 |
VENUE: QUEEN FAN CLUB CONVENTION 2016 Q&A SESSION - GUEST SPEAKER: G BROOKS (QUEEN ARCHIVIST) SUBJECT: QUEEN LIVE - THE ARCHIVES Fan A: So, as Archivist, would you be able to confirm the total number of Queen concerts that were professionally recorded. G Brooks: Yes. FOUR gigs only. Golders Green, Rainbow, Hammersmith 75,Budapest Fan A: But what about Montreal, Milton Keynes and Wembley? didn't Queen release those as official live recordings? G Brooks: and? Fan A: well that makes (at least) SEVEN gigs professionally recorded G Brooks: what's you point, twat? Fan B: But weren't other live shows also professionally recorded? G Brooks: like which, smart bollocks? Fan B: Knebworth (it was included in live Magic), Most of the Magic Tour, Hammersmith 79, several Japanese gigs, South America, hyde Park, Earls court and the second Rainbow 74 gig. G Brooks: I don't know where you get your rubbish information from. I said four, and i meant FOUR. I am the archivist, i know everything and you fans know nothing. Fan A: and most of the Live Killers tour was professionally recorded too G Brooks: where do you get such twathead information? Fan A: website BrianMay.com states: "comprises tracks selected from over 50 recorded shows in the UK Europe, Japan and America " G Brooks: I said FOUR gigs, ok. interview's over, you ungrateful twats. |
| Nitroboy 29.05.2016 11:54 |
Biggus Dickus wrote:damiandaj wrote: Japan 85 Mannheim 86? Newcastle 86 Manchester 86 - some overdubs (Wembley 2nd night) come from this show (for example 2nd verse We Are The Champions ''And I ain't gonna lose'')That overdub isn't from Manchester. In the Manchester version he doesn't sustain the Bb4 ("lose") which he does in the 2nd night Wembley version. My guess is that it's a studio overdub. all the overdubs on 2nd Wembley were done in a studio |
| on my way up 29.05.2016 13:56 |
London - 13-09-73 London - 31-03-74 London - 19-11-74 London - 20-11-74 London - 24-12-75 London - 18-09- 76 Richfield - 23-01-77 London - 06-06-77 London - 07-06-77 Houston - 11-12-77 Los Angeles - 22-12-77 Brussels 26-01-79 Rotterdam 29-01-79 Rotterdam 30-01-79 Cologne 01-02-79 Frankfurt 02-02-79 Zurich 04-02-79 Ljubljana 06-02-79 Zagreb 07-02-79 Munich 10-02-79 Munich 11-02-79 Stuttgart 13-02-79 Saarbrucken 15-02-79 Lyon 17-02-79 Barcelona 19-02-79 Barcelona 20-02-79 Madrid 23-02-79 Madrid 24-02-79 Poitiers 25-02-79 Paris 27-02-79 Paris 28-02-79 Paris 01-03-79 Tokyo 25-04-79 Manchester 27-11-79 Glasgow 30-11-79 Newcastle 04-12-79 Liverpool 07-12-79 Bristol 09-12-79 Brighton 10-02-79 Brighton 11-02-79 London 22-12-79 London 26-12-79 Buenos Aires 28-02-81 Buenos Aires 01-03-81 Sao Paulo 20-03-81 Montreal 24-11-81 Montreal 25-11-81 Milton keynes 25-06-82 Tokorozawa 03-11-82 Rio 11-01-85 Rio 18-01-85 Tokyo 11-05-85 Live Aid 13-07-85 Slane castle 05-07-86 Newcastle 09-07-86 London 11-07-86 London 12-07-86 Manchester 16-07-86 Budapest 27-07-86 Knebworth 09-08-86 List from the top of my head so probably some date mistakes and some omissions ?? |
| Nitroboy 29.05.2016 17:45 |
Why do you list Richfield 1977? |
| The Real Wizard 29.05.2016 19:00 |
Yeah, that's a stereo soundboard, not necessarily a mixdown of a 24-track. Same goes for most of those later 79 shows, presumably. |
| on my way up 30.05.2016 04:59 |
I've made a list of all pro audio, not just from multi track, hence why Richfield is listed. There are probably many more such recordings but for now we can't be sure since there's no (official) confirmation. |
| Nitroboy 30.05.2016 08:22 |
Well then how come you didn't list Sun City for example? |
| damiandaj 30.05.2016 08:35 |
Nitroboy wrote:That's right. It's not Manchester. I'm sorry. I compared these shows too quickly.Biggus Dickus wrote:all the overdubs on 2nd Wembley were done in a studiodamiandaj wrote: Japan 85 Mannheim 86? Newcastle 86 Manchester 86 - some overdubs (Wembley 2nd night) come from this show (for example 2nd verse We Are The Champions ''And I ain't gonna lose'')That overdub isn't from Manchester. In the Manchester version he doesn't sustain the Bb4 ("lose") which he does in the 2nd night Wembley version. My guess is that it's a studio overdub. How they did it? It's definitly not studio version of We Are The Champions. Freddie's voice sounds too heavy. It sounds like cut from another show but edited. ''Human Race'' also sounds uniquely. |
| Doga 30.05.2016 09:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote: 24-track.Key words here. That's the real question, How many shows were multitracked? As these are the only ones to be released. Is an excellent question to ask to the heads of Queen Productions. |
| on my way up 30.05.2016 09:28 |
Nitroboy wrote: Well then how come you didn't list Sun City for example?Simple answer: because I forgot. Anyone's free to add to the list :-) |
| splicksplack 30.05.2016 09:29 |
I was at Empire Pool in '78 and saw no evidence of filming. |
| on my way up 30.05.2016 09:29 |
Doga wrote:Well, let's hope that one day they will consider releasing in some form concerts that were NOT multitracked.The Real Wizard wrote: 24-track.Key words here. That's the real question, How many shows were multitracked? As these are the only ones to be released. Is an excellent question to ask to the heads of Queen Productions. A nice capture from the soundboard can be pretty mindblowingly good! |
| Nitroboy 30.05.2016 11:22 |
damiandaj wrote:Nitroboy wrote:That's right. It's not Manchester. I'm sorry. I compared these shows too quickly. How they did it? It's definitly not studio version of We Are The Champions. Freddie's voice sounds too heavy. It sounds like cut from another show but edited. ''Human Race'' also sounds uniquely.Biggus Dickus wrote:all the overdubs on 2nd Wembley were done in a studiodamiandaj wrote: Japan 85 Mannheim 86? Newcastle 86 Manchester 86 - some overdubs (Wembley 2nd night) come from this show (for example 2nd verse We Are The Champions ''And I ain't gonna lose'')That overdub isn't from Manchester. In the Manchester version he doesn't sustain the Bb4 ("lose") which he does in the 2nd night Wembley version. My guess is that it's a studio overdub. Nitroboy wrote: all the overdubs on 2nd Wembley were done in a studio |
| brENsKi 30.05.2016 16:39 |
Nitroboy wrote: all the overdubs on 2nd Wembley were done in a studiowell, you'd have to wonder exactly where else they could be done? a] strip club b] taxi c] phone booth/kiosk d] supermarket e] toilet |
| cmsdrums 03.06.2016 07:47 |
brENsKi wrote:well, you'd have to wonder exactly where else they could be done? a] strip club The 'John Deacon Mix'?!!!Nitroboy wrote: all the overdubs on 2nd Wembley were done in a studio |
| disco_mart 18.08.2016 07:10 |
pittrek wrote:While not a Queen fan at the time (was only 4 after all), my mum and dad watched the concert on TVNZ so it was at least televised.Chinwonder wrote: ...New Zealand 1985. Although I don't personally believe the New Zealand footage exists. :( -ChinI always assumed those were only short bits recorded by local TV stations Someone in NZ must have recorded it either at the studio or old on VHS/Betamax. After Knebworth could be the holy grail of filmed gigs as Fred was pissed and they had a guest on stage with them. |
| The Real Wizard 18.08.2016 14:25 |
disco_mart wrote: While not a Queen fan at the time (was only 4 after all), my mum and dad watched the concert on TVNZ so it was at least televised. Someone in NZ must have recorded it either at the studio or old on VHS/Betamax. After Knebworth could be the holy grail of filmed gigs as Fred was pissed and they had a guest on stage with them.Fascinating insight. |
| Doga 18.08.2016 20:11 |
disco_mart wrote: While not a Queen fan at the time (was only 4 after all), my mum and dad watched the concert on TVNZ so it was at least televised.Shocking revelation. I bet if that footage wasn't destroyed, the heads of QP have to laugh at it in secret. Just for fun, someone should send a mail to TVNZ. |