| dudeofqueen 08.04.2016 09:31 |
Anyone heard anything from good Old Greggy Brooks lately? There haven't been any posts from him seeking information or material that ought to be at his fingertips for a while. He went strangely quiet after TFFMS turned up magically on Live AT The Rainbow......... |
| mooghead 08.04.2016 15:24 |
He's very busy. Being the Queen 'archivist' is a finite job. He fucked it up so much first time round that he has to start all over again which means several more years in employment. Method in his ridiculous madness.... |
| khe73 08.04.2016 18:02 |
I think hes working on this BIG SECRET to do with the archives this year.....SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| BETA215 09.04.2016 06:53 |
^ Live Killers boxset? BBC sessions? Live At The Whatever Place 197X? Anthologies boxset? Queen Forever Volume II (3CDs Deluxe Edition)? Or maybe the release of the whole archive in FLAC, RAW and AVI uncompressed files? *sigh* |
| Marknow 09.04.2016 07:43 |
Oh, just brilliant, another 10 page thread taking pot shots at GB coming at us. Yawn..... |
| Nitroboy 09.04.2016 09:34 |
BETA215 wrote: ^ Live Killers boxset? BBC sessions? Live At The Whatever Place 197X? Anthologies boxset? Queen Forever Volume II (3CDs Deluxe Edition)? Or maybe the release of the whole archive in FLAC, RAW and AVI uncompressed files? *sigh* We're obviously getting Wembley 30th anniversary edition this year. |
| rocknrolllover 09.04.2016 14:42 |
Nitroboy wrote:Ev'ry 5 years Wembley on your fucking shelfBETA215 wrote: ^ Live Killers boxset? BBC sessions? Live At The Whatever Place 197X? Anthologies boxset? Queen Forever Volume II (3CDs Deluxe Edition)? Or maybe the release of the whole archive in FLAC, RAW and AVI uncompressed files? *sigh*We're obviously getting Wembley 30th anniversary edition this year. |
| BETA215 09.04.2016 17:37 |
rocknrolllover wrote:For the delight of the common Joe who wants to get Wembley for the 6th time. Just to see MORE WEMBLEY! Wohoo!Nitroboy wrote:Ev'ry 5 years Wembley on your fucking shelfBETA215 wrote: ^ Live Killers boxset? BBC sessions? Live At The Whatever Place 197X? Anthologies boxset? Queen Forever Volume II (3CDs Deluxe Edition)? Or maybe the release of the whole archive in FLAC, RAW and AVI uncompressed files? *sigh*We're obviously getting Wembley 30th anniversary edition this year. ._. |
| rocknrolllover 10.04.2016 02:11 |
BETA215 wrote:LOLrocknrolllover wrote:For the delight of the common Joe who wants to get Wembley for the 6th time. Just to see MORE WEMBLEY! Wohoo! ._.Nitroboy wrote:Ev'ry 5 years Wembley on your fucking shelfBETA215 wrote: ^ Live Killers boxset? BBC sessions? Live At The Whatever Place 197X? Anthologies boxset? Queen Forever Volume II (3CDs Deluxe Edition)? Or maybe the release of the whole archive in FLAC, RAW and AVI uncompressed files? *sigh*We're obviously getting Wembley 30th anniversary edition this year. |
| rocknrolllover 10.04.2016 04:01 |
Greg does hard work he's not time for visit Queenzone. And I understand why he's not visit Queenzone. We're often spit in his eyes when we can't get what we want. We don't understand that Greg not those man who give red light |
| Hangman_96 10.04.2016 04:24 |
^ I couldn't have put it better myself. |
| rocknrolllover 10.04.2016 04:39 |
Val Lurex wrote: ^ I couldn't have put it better myself.What do you mean, Val Lurex? |
| cmsdrums 10.04.2016 04:58 |
He's probably busy downloading gigs from our hub for the rest of the 'top 100 bootlegs' series..... They really should just hand the keys over to Rhys Thomas... |
| dudeofqueen 10.04.2016 05:42 |
Oooooh, Wembley again - now, given the choice of artwork for the Hammersmith '75 cover, I wonder what they'll use for this one - a shot of Freddie's shoelaces? With liner notes by Greggy Boy containing new inaccuracies. |
| dudeofqueen 10.04.2016 05:43 |
Marknow, re: >Oh, just brilliant, another 10 page thread taking pot shots at GB coming at us. Yawn..... And why not? He's lined himself up for it. Don't like it, scroll along...... |
| Penetration_Guru 11.04.2016 17:01 |
dudeofqueen wrote: And why not? He's lined himself up for it. Don't like it, scroll along......He's asking for it...by NOT posting? The guy truly cannot win. |
| BETA215 11.04.2016 17:37 |
^ He's asking for it because of his promises and acting - the truly thing everyone wants which he announced to have all the world wonders: the anthology, the I Want It All book as the definitive memorabilia collection in a book, who was never launched, several lies about several releases, not checking basic things like liner notes to contain right facts, projects that lasts 2 years and stop being supported without caring about the one who bought it, etc.). |
| Penetration_Guru 12.04.2016 12:33 |
BETA215 wrote: ^ He's asking for it because of his promises and acting - the truly thing everyone wants which he announced to have all the world wonders: the anthology, the I Want It All book as the definitive memorabilia collection in a book, who was never launched, several lies about several releases, not checking basic things like liner notes to contain right facts, projects that lasts 2 years and stop being supported without caring about the one who bought it, etc.).Even allowing for some of that actually being within his control (and most of it obviously isn't), he's been criticised in those contexts already. There's no useful reason for another thread that exists just to tempt him into another flame war. |
| pittrek 13.04.2016 01:44 |
How fucking dare anyone out there make fun of Brooksey after all he has been through.! HE'S A HUMAN! (ah! ooh!) What you don't realize is that Brooksey is making you all this money and all you do is write a bunch of crap about him. He wasn't here for a reason because all you people want is MORE! MORE-MORE, MORE: MORE!. LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even wrote here for you BASTARDS! LEAVE BROOKSEY ALONE!...Please. Leave BROOKSEY Alone Please. ! Leave BROOKSEY Spears alone! right now!.I mean it.! Anyone that has a problem with him you deal with me, because he is not well right now. LEAVE HIM ALONE! |
| BETA215 13.04.2016 03:54 |
"Leave BROOKSEY Spears alone!" For a moment I thought he was really furious hahahaha |
| mooghead 13.04.2016 12:44 |
I used to work with someone called 'Brooksy', he was an arsehole too |
| rocknrolllover 13.04.2016 13:46 |
mooghead wrote: I used to work with someone called 'Brooksy', he was an arsehole tooYou're lying |
| mooghead 13.04.2016 15:02 |
Andrew Brookes. No joke. Utter wanker. |
| rocknrolllover 15.04.2016 13:02 |
mooghead wrote: Andrew Brookes. No joke. Utter wanker.you're lying twice |
| mooghead 15.04.2016 14:33 |
If I am lying let my son drop dead. |
| Marknow 15.04.2016 16:03 |
Riveting thread, congratulations to all who have helped to move it on, this is some real Catcher In The Rye level reading material. Keep it coming, you are really breaking new ground here. Essential reading for any serious Queen fan. |
| Hangman_96 15.04.2016 17:01 |
Let's call things by their proper name: a waste of sperm, that whole topic. |
| Queen Archivist 21.04.2016 20:52 |
I have indeed been a busy chap. But I'm back again, and before someone inevitably says it, yes because we're looking for things again. and…. No, we haven't finished a 26 CD Queen Anthology boxed set. No, there isn't a studio version of Hangman. No, we will not let you go. No, no, no, no, no… with the wrong amount of No's !!! :-) |
| on my way up 22.04.2016 02:43 |
Hi Greg, Please throw us a bone. Just say that there's a really exciting release coming in 2016 :-) That's enough but if you can give more info (a bit of flesh around the bone...), then that wouldn't be a bad thing and really most welcome! cheers P.S.: Has the Knebworth video been found? (sorry) |
| Double-U 22.04.2016 05:53 |
This is what's going on: CAN YOU HELP? We're looking for photographs of Queen in a radio situation. As you probably know by now, we're working on a product focussing on Queen on the radio through the years. We would like to find images of the band in any kind of radio related setting. It could be Queen at a radio station, or any band member photographed with a familiar DJ personality - basically anything to do with the general subject of Queen and radio broadcasts anywhere in the world, 1971 - 1995. We want to ensure we're aware of everything out there and that we include all the best and most interesting images. If you have or know of any such photo, please email them to gb_home@btinternet.com Many thanks Greg Brooks (Queen Archivist) link |
| rocknrolllover 22.04.2016 13:50 |
Queen Archivist wrote: I have indeed been a busy chap. But I'm back again, and before someone inevitably says it, yes because we're looking for things again. and…. No, we haven't finished a 26 CD Queen Anthology boxed set. No, there isn't a studio version of Hangman. No, we will not let you go. No, no, no, no, no… with the wrong amount of No's !!! :-)Ha-Ha Nice joke about 26CD Queen Anthology Boxed |
| brENsKi 22.04.2016 16:21 |
mooghead wrote: He's very busy. Being the Queen 'archivist' is a finite job. He fucked it up so much first time round that he has to start all over again which means several more years in employment. Method in his ridiculous madness....this ^ |
| cmsdrums 23.04.2016 05:18 |
"No there isn't a studio version of Hangman"....you missed off "in the official archives". Is this the same as "no, there isn't a live version of The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke"? |
| rocknrolllover 23.04.2016 05:23 |
cmsdrums wrote: "No there isn't a studio version of Hangman"....you missed off "in the official archives". Is this the same as "no, there isn't a live version of The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke"? It looks like no one appreciated the joke from Greg about 26 CD Queen Anthology boxed set. Maybe this track they have, but they prepare it for mythical boxed set |
| brENsKi 23.04.2016 05:52 |
Queen Archivist wrote: I have indeed been a busy chap. No, there isn't a studio version of Hangman.yes you have been busy...mainly losing things that people lend to you - like Hangman acetates? |
| Mr.QueenFan 23.04.2016 14:55 |
brENsKi wrote:What's the story on this?Queen Archivist wrote: I have indeed been a busy chap. No, there isn't a studio version of Hangman.yes you have been busy...mainly losing things that people lend to you - like Hangman acetates? The only person i know of who says he has this acetate is John S Stuart, and from their interaction in QZ i don't think John was very inclined to prove to Greg that he owns it, let alone sending it to him. Was there any advances on the "Hangman" acetate story? |
| Kuijpy 23.04.2016 15:40 |
Property of Queen Productions, bleeeh I dont have any respect for that wanker. |
| brENsKi 23.04.2016 16:46 |
i was being sarcastic. as it is well-known that John lent other stuff to Greg that mysteriously went "astray" my suggestion being that - there isn't a "Hangman" acetate in the queen vault, because - had there been, then GB would have undoubtedly lost it and to those who say GB didn't lose it - a member of staff did. I disagree. JSS handed it to GB at this point it's GB's responsibility (alone) to ensure it is returned safely to JSS |
| Mr.QueenFan 23.04.2016 17:59 |
brENsKi wrote: i was being sarcastic. as it is well-known that John lent other stuff to Greg that mysteriously went "astray" my suggestion being that - there isn't a "Hangman" acetate in the queen vault, because - had there been, then GB would have undoubtedly lost it and to those who say GB didn't lose it - a member of staff did. I disagree. JSS handed it to GB at this point it's GB's responsibility (alone) to ensure it is returned safely to JSSI remember that story. Let's hope that JSS agrees to at least lend it or sell it to Brian for the future box-set. |
| brENsKi 24.04.2016 03:51 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: I remember that story. Let's hope that JSS agrees to at least lend it or sell it to Brian for the future box-set.i wouldn't. and i hope he doesn't. because while John still has it then it exists. Brian openly admits to having a shocking memory - as proven by many fans. So why should he be any more reliable than ANY member of QPL to take care of something so priceless? the only way to do this is for QPL to send someone with a mobile Protools setup, round to his house to professionally transfer it to digital. That way (at least) it doesn't leave John's sight - and remains safe. And they can give John a digital copy for his trouble, while they're at it |
| Holly2003 24.04.2016 06:04 |
It's really funny. A collector buys something and hoards it away for himself for decades. How sad is that? He then shares a copy with Queen productions, who then steal it and deny everything. I mean, that's hilarious! It's fandom and the music business in a nutshell. Let's be honest: Hangman is a bog standard, completely average song. If it had been released back when it was written, fans would think of it in the same way most seem to consider Sweet Lady i.e. a bit naff. Hangman has lost its value except to sad hoarders and obsessed collectors. If QP were to now purchase it from a collector and release it, it would make less impact than Let Me in Your Heart Again (which had very little impact, despite being unheard before). Queen are not The Beatles and a "newly-discovered" song like Hangman could be released and forgotten about almost the same day -- just like Let Me in Your Heart Again. |
| cmi 24.04.2016 07:53 |
It's not that true. Newly-discovered Queen song is very important to Queen fans, the way newly-discovered The Beatles song means to Beatles fans. For Joe Public they both are one-day interest things. 'Let Me In Your Heart Again' was very poorly promoted. So the impact was very little. I'm not talking it's a part of weak useless compilation instead of 'Anthology' set... |
| Queen Archivist 24.04.2016 14:31 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Anyone heard anything from good Old Greggy Brooks lately? There haven't been any posts from him seeking information or material that ought to be at his fingertips for a while. He went strangely quiet after TFFMS turned up magically on Live AT The Rainbow......... GB: Hey there dudeofqueen…. I wrote this elsewhere on QZ today, so I'll say it to you too…. Re: Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke on the Rainbow product… I did NOT know it was on the tapes until we all sat and listened to the tapes for the first time in 40 years, in early 2014. I'm not clairvoyant, so, like all of us, including the band, I was as surprised as you were to discover that song WAS on the tape after all, which was wonderful. Did you think of that? Yes, I was wrong about that. Have YOU never been wrong about anything dudeofqueen? |
| Queen Archivist 24.04.2016 14:35 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Oooooh, Wembley again - now, given the choice of artwork for the Hammersmith '75 cover, I wonder what they'll use for this one - a shot of Freddie's shoelaces? With liner notes by Greggy Boy containing new inaccuracies. GB: You are indeed a tedious thing dudeofqueen. |
| Queen Archivist 24.04.2016 14:38 |
mooghead wrote: I used to work with someone called 'Brooksy', he was an arsehole too GB: You will have felt most at home then. |
| Queen Archivist 24.04.2016 14:39 |
Marknow wrote: Riveting thread, congratulations to all who have helped to move it on, this is some real Catcher In The Rye level reading material. Keep it coming, you are really breaking new ground here. Essential reading for any serious Queen fan. GB: You sound genuinely surprised Mark!! It's the norm for here. But you do put it well. :-) |
| Nitroboy 24.04.2016 14:47 |
Queen Archivist wrote:Allow me to ask this simple question:dudeofqueen wrote: Anyone heard anything from good Old Greggy Brooks lately? There haven't been any posts from him seeking information or material that ought to be at his fingertips for a while. He went strangely quiet after TFFMS turned up magically on Live AT The Rainbow.........GB: Hey there dudeofqueen…. I wrote this elsewhere on QZ today, so I'll say it to you too…. Re: Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke on the Rainbow product… I did NOT know it was on the tapes until we all sat and listened to the tapes for the first time in 40 years, in early 2014. I'm not clairvoyant, so, like all of us, including the band, I was as surprised as you were to discover that song WAS on the tape after all, which was wonderful. Did you think of that? Yes, I was wrong about that. Have YOU never been wrong about anything dudeofqueen? Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals? |
| brENsKi 24.04.2016 17:20 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Re: Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke on the Rainbow product… I did NOT know it was on the tapes until we all sat and listened to the tapes for the first time in 40 years, in early 2014. I'm not clairvoyant, so, like all of us, including the band, I was as surprised as you were to discover that song WAS on the tape after all, which was wonderful. Did you think of that? Yes, I was wrong about that. Have YOU never been wrong about anything dudeofqueen?but YOU are THE ARCHIVIST. and have been long prior to 2014. as archivist YOU should have logged and detailed what was on what tape/disc/video - that's what archivists do. the fact that YOU had no idea it was there, possibly reflects exactly how seriously you take your (ahem) work. Q] if you are NOT logging exactly what is on each tape/disc/video stored, then what exactly is your job? Recent Meeting at QPL HQ: QPL: so, Mr Archivist, have you complied a complete database of the entire Queen archive? GB: yes i have QPL: could you let us know everything we have? GB: yes, i have compiled an exhaustive report, detailing EVERY item in the archive, i can read it out for you - all of it, if you like QPL: do we have time? GB: yes, it'll only take seconds QPL: really? go ahead then GB: My Complete & Detailed breakdown of the entire contents of the Queen Archive. 1] 20 acetates 2] 60 live videos 3] 100 tapes 4] 200 programmes 5] 1000 photos 6] 200 press cuttings 6] 300 vinyl/CD recordings 7] 50 pin badges 8] some fluff in corner of one box 9] a shoebox containing a dead mouse |
| *goodco* 24.04.2016 17:29 |
Quit being so hard on the guy. I've been enjoying that complete BBC Sessions release from 1999. Especially ALL of the remastered ones that were included on the News Of The World bonus disc, and specifically, WWRY slow/fast, and 'It's Late' Those were fab! Live Killers remastered, and complete, is also a treat. |
| brENsKi 25.04.2016 07:27 |
*goodco* wrote: Quit being so hard on the guy. .i will. when he retracts the personal insults he's levelled at people - people who've quoted facts |
| *goodco* 25.04.2016 08:00 |
^ My whole post was satirical..... |
| brENsKi 25.04.2016 08:40 |
*goodco* wrote: ^ My whole post was satirical.....in that case, withdrawn. but also NOT withdrawn - if you get my drift |
| Queen Archivist 25.04.2016 10:02 |
on my way up wrote: Hi Greg, Please throw us a bone. GB: Okay... Just say that there's a really exciting release coming in 2016 :-) GB: There is. A great Queen item and some surprises re Freddie too. That's enough but if you can give more info (a bit of flesh around the bone...), then that wouldn't be a bad thing and really most welcome! GB: OK, see this link cheers P.S.: Has the Knebworth video been found? (sorry) GB: No. It never existed to be found now. Shame aye! |
| pittrek 25.04.2016 10:21 |
Well DoRo would probably not agree with that statement. Or ITV. Or the man who filmed the gig on an amateur camera. It depends how you define "Knebworth video" :-) |
| Queen Archivist 25.04.2016 10:21 |
brENsKi wrote:Queen Archivist wrote: Re: Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke on the Rainbow product… I did NOT know it was on the tapes until we all sat and listened to the tapes for the first time in 40 years, in early 2014. I'm not clairvoyant, so, like all of us, including the band, I was as surprised as you were to discover that song WAS on the tape after all, which was wonderful. Did you think of that? Yes, I was wrong about that. Have YOU never been wrong about anything dudeofqueen?but YOU are THE ARCHIVIST. and have been long prior to 2014. as archivist YOU should have logged and detailed what was on what tape/disc/video - that's what archivists do. the fact that YOU had no idea it was there, possibly reflects exactly how seriously you take your (ahem) work. Q] if you are NOT logging exactly what is on each tape/disc/video stored, then what exactly is your job? GB: BrEnski, you truly are a top drawer imbecile. You prove it time and time again. I realise you're not an archivist, but even so I think SOME of these points I'll tell you now should have at the very least occurred to you, if only in part. If only a fragment of these things had entered your limited brain, it would have been something, but for NONE of it to have occurred to you, is quite staggering. My mum would have a fair idea of some of this, not because she's been in our archive, but because she has basic common sense and access to the internet. You can look these things up you know, BrEnski. You need to try it, rather than asking me dull and inane questions. I will indulge you now, however, so that any other persons that might think the way you do - though I doubt anyone else is as dense as you - might also understand what should probably be obvious anyway... BrEnski: but YOU are THE ARCHIVIST. and have been long prior to 2014. as archivist YOU should have logged and detailed what was on what tape/disc/video - that's what archivists do. GB: The original Queen session multi tracks are very precious fragile things. You don't simply walk in, put them on a machine, press play and listen. Fast forward, rewind, stop, pause, eject. NO!!!! One has to take extreme care. An experienced engineer or producer, or indeed one of the band members, would have to prepare the machine, set up the playback, and invariably bake the tape prior to attempting to play it. Are you getting it BrEnski? Does any of this sound reasonable, even to you? We generally play tapes as we get to each new project, as was the case with Rainbow 74. With a specific project in mind, we got out all the original tapes, prepared them, played them - for the first time in 40 years. Do you understand this, BrEnski??? Could you not have predicted even the tiniest part of this? BrEnski: the fact that YOU had no idea it was there, possibly reflects exactly how seriously you take your (ahem) work. GB: You have no idea about anything you say or suggest, as your first point clear demonstrates, and this second point further proves. God knows why you feel it appropriate to comment on details you cannot possibly know the first thing about. Do you see me suggesting ludicrous things about the work you do? No. You are an arrogant annoying uneducated lazy person. Too lazy to consult the internet or a book in a million libraries. BrEnski: if you are NOT logging exactly what is on each tape/disc/video stored, then what exactly is your job? GB: I log very precisely the content of every tape I listen to, when we listen to them. I do NOT log the content of tapes that have not been played for 40 years. Do you get it now BrEnski???? Oh I do hope so. God!!!!! Your poor poor mother!!!! |
| Queen Archivist 25.04.2016 10:24 |
pittrek wrote: Well DoRo would probably not agree with that statement. Or ITV. Or the man who filmed the gig on an amateur camera. It depends how you define "Knebworth video" :-) GB: Dear pitDick…. There was a TV report and a little bit of footage around the event on the day. This included footage of two songs. The main concert was NOT filmed. |
| Queen Archivist 25.04.2016 10:28 |
cmsdrums wrote: "No there isn't a studio version of Hangman"....you missed off "in the official archives". Is this the same as "no, there isn't a live version of The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke"? GB: Read my previous posts this week and even you with your tiny volume of grey matter may grasp the reasons for why NO-ONE, including me, knew that Fairy Feller was on the Rainbow tapes, until we played them for the first time in 40 years. We are not clairvoyant. You are such an annoying twat. Sorry to use that word, but you truly are. I bet you hear this a lot, from very many people in your life! |
| pittrek 25.04.2016 10:31 |
Queen Archivist wrote:See? Try to re-read this post, maybe you will understand why are so many people here so negative to you.pittrek wrote: Well DoRo would probably not agree with that statement. Or ITV. Or the man who filmed the gig on an amateur camera. It depends how you define "Knebworth video" :-)GB: Dear pitDick…. |
| Nitroboy 25.04.2016 11:01 |
Queen Archivist wrote:By this account, you are not an archivist. You are nothing more than a slug watching over the inventory of Queen.brENsKi wrote:GB: BrEnski, you truly are a top drawer imbecile. You prove it time and time again. I realise you're not an archivist, but even so I think SOME of these points I'll tell you now should have at the very least occurred to you, if only in part. If only a fragment of these things had entered your limited brain, it would have been something, but for NONE of it to have occurred to you, is quite staggering. My mum would have a fair idea of some of this, not because she's been in our archive, but because she has basic common sense and access to the internet. You can look these things up you know, BrEnski. You need to try it, rather than asking me dull and inane questions. I will indulge you now, however, so that any other persons that might think the way you do - though I doubt anyone else is as dense as you - might also understand what should probably be obvious anyway... BrEnski: but YOU are THE ARCHIVIST. and have been long prior to 2014. as archivist YOU should have logged and detailed what was on what tape/disc/video - that's what archivists do. GB: The original Queen session multi tracks are very precious fragile things. You don't simply walk in, put them on a machine, press play and listen. Fast forward, rewind, stop, pause, eject. NO!!!! One has to take extreme care. An experienced engineer or producer, or indeed one of the band members, would have to prepare the machine, set up the playback, and invariably bake the tape prior to attempting to play it. Are you getting it BrEnski? Does any of this sound reasonable, even to you? We generally play tapes as we get to each new project, as was the case with Rainbow 74. With a specific project in mind, we got out all the original tapes, prepared them, played them - for the first time in 40 years. Do you understand this, BrEnski??? Could you not have predicted even the tiniest part of this? BrEnski: the fact that YOU had no idea it was there, possibly reflects exactly how seriously you take your (ahem) work. GB: You have no idea about anything you say or suggest, as your first point clear demonstrates, and this second point further proves. God knows why you feel it appropriate to comment on details you cannot possibly know the first thing about. Do you see me suggesting ludicrous things about the work you do? No. You are an arrogant annoying uneducated lazy person. Too lazy to consult the internet or a book in a million libraries. BrEnski: if you are NOT logging exactly what is on each tape/disc/video stored, then what exactly is your job? GB: I log very precisely the content of every tape I listen to, when we listen to them. I do NOT log the content of tapes that have not been played for 40 years. Do you get it now BrEnski???? Oh I do hope so. God!!!!! Your poor poor mother!!!!Queen Archivist wrote: Re: Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke on the Rainbow product… I did NOT know it was on the tapes until we all sat and listened to the tapes for the first time in 40 years, in early 2014. I'm not clairvoyant, so, like all of us, including the band, I was as surprised as you were to discover that song WAS on the tape after all, which was wonderful. Did you think of that? Yes, I was wrong about that. Have YOU never been wrong about anything dudeofqueen?but YOU are THE ARCHIVIST. and have been long prior to 2014. as archivist YOU should have logged and detailed what was on what tape/disc/video - that's what archivists do. the fact that YOU had no idea it was there, possibly reflects exactly how seriously you take your (ahem) work. Q] if you are NOT logging exactly what is on each tape/disc/video stored, then what exactly is your job? If you actually were an archivist, and were archiving stuff, you WOULD be baking tapes, and transferring them so they could be archived digitally. Not just logging them and storing them, so they can sit on a shelf and deteriorate for years. Such a waste |
| brENsKi 25.04.2016 13:01 |
Queen Archivist wrote: GB: The original Queen session multi tracks are very precious fragile things. You don't simply walk in, put them on a machine, press play and listen. Fast forward, rewind, stop, pause, eject. NO!!!! One has to take extreme care. An experienced engineer or producer, or indeed one of the band members, would have to prepare the machine, set up the playback, and invariably bake the tape prior to attempting to play it. Are you getting it BrEnski? We generally play tapes as we get to each new project, as was the case with Rainbow 74. With a specific project in mind, we got out all the original tapes, prepared them, played them - for the first time in 40 years.So nothing has been heard until you start a project? what utter bollocks...it has to be heard to be labelled/archived in the first place - otherwise YOU have no idea what's on there. Factor in the fact that things can get mislabelled (your Queen Live book is an excellent example of mislabelling). Surely when you were brought in as archivist, it was YOUR job to ensure everything was labelled correctly? or do your "ski-slopes-for-shoulders" excuse you any responsibility or pride in doing your job properly? Anything short of that makes your job pointless and little more than a glorified Gatekeeper/Nightwatchman Fortunately, the archivists at the British library don't take the same attitude to their job "oh yeah, we've got loads of books here...fucked if we know what, but there are loads...we won't be able to tell you anything about specific volumes/editions until we read a specific book" |
| cmsdrums 25.04.2016 13:18 |
Queen Archivist wrote:The issue Greg is that I believe you had previously said 'it didn't exist' or 'it wasn't played live' rather than (if you simply hadn't catalogued all the tapes yet) saying "we don't know of a live version existing" or similar. You seem to deal very much in 'black & white', which doesn't really help you when you give a categoric answer based on incomplete knowledge which often later comes back to haunt you.cmsdrums wrote: "No there isn't a studio version of Hangman"....you missed off "in the official archives". Is this the same as "no, there isn't a live version of The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke"?GB: Read my previous posts this week and even you with your tiny volume of grey matter may grasp the reasons for why NO-ONE, including me, knew that Fairy Feller was on the Rainbow tapes, until we played them for the first time in 40 years. We are not clairvoyant. You are such an annoying twat. Sorry to use that word, but you truly are. I bet you hear this a lot, from very many people in your life! I don't believe I've ever been quite so personally aggressive and childish in any of my comments, though admittedly (and justifiably) have questioned the quality of the QPL team output, including yours, at times...equally I have been vey vocal in my stupider and aopreciation of some products (Rainbow leaps to mind) too. I work for an organisation many thousands of times bigger than QPL, and you will have personally benefitted from my employer, so your personal and petty insults really don't work on me I'm afraid. And if you're going to call me a twat, don't then say 'sorry' for doing so, as that's rather spineless and pointless! Shame. |
| Biggus Dickus 25.04.2016 13:20 |
Nitroboy wrote: "Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals?" Such a simple question, yet no answer. I guess it's easier to write torrents of abuse instead of answering an awkward question. |
| scottmax 26.04.2016 18:00 |
So much going on here.... One thing I did pick up on, is the fact Mr Brooks stated 'our archives'...... Did this man contribute to the recordings?? Has he been credited?? Reading his replies to folk on here, I've come to the conclusion that the bloke is indeed a fucking prick. I do hope his employers are reading his bullshit |
| Battler 26.04.2016 21:21 |
- scottmax: Interesting. Biggus Dickus goes around with a Hitler avatar - that's OK. Mooghead constantly trolls - also OK. There's a cult of personality around Fanthology and John S. Stuart and a war against David R. Fuller - also OK. People abusing Greg - also OK. But Greg responding in tone - WRONG, Queen should fire him, and he should ____ off. Really the same standard for everyone, what to say. |
| Biggus Dickus 26.04.2016 23:16 |
Battler wrote: - scottmax: Interesting. Biggus Dickus goes around with a Hitler avatar - that's OK. Mooghead constantly trolls - also OK. There's a cult of personality around Fanthology and John S. Stuart and a war against David R. Fuller - also OK. People abusing Greg - also OK. But Greg responding in tone - WRONG, Queen should fire him, and he should ____ off. Really the same standard for everyone, what to say. Minor correction. It's not Hitler but Putler. |
| Togg 27.04.2016 03:17 |
Jeez, this is getting very boring can we not drop the pointless Greg bashing for a decade or so? Best bit of info so far, Biggus Dickus's profile pic is actually Putler... never spotted that before... cool, and funny too |
| tomchristie22 27.04.2016 03:44 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: Nitroboy wrote: "Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals?" Such a simple question, yet no answer. I guess it's easier to write torrents of abuse instead of answering an awkward question.I genuinely want to know this too, Greg, without any ill will towards you. As you've said, you heard the Rainbow recordings in preparation for the release. Was Freddie's voice really in such a bad state on the March concert that it required so much Pro Tools 'fixing'? (e.g. the bridge in Fairy Feller, where the most egregious autotuning on the release can be found) |
| scottmax 27.04.2016 05:49 |
Battler wrote: - scottmax: Interesting. Biggus Dickus goes around with a Hitler avatar - that's OK. Mooghead constantly trolls - also OK. There's a cult of personality around Fanthology and John S. Stuart and a war against David R. Fuller - also OK. People abusing Greg - also OK. But Greg responding in tone - WRONG, Queen should fire him, and he should ____ off. Really the same standard for everyone, what to say.I think Mr Brooks loads the gun, only to turn it on himself!! He doesn't help himself one bit really. The sole purpose of his recent posts was to ask for fans to help him do his job, and berate JSS. People then obviously ask questions, only to be belittled by him. The guy is way too defensive. No one is asking him to give us any kind of 'exclusive' as to what's in the vaults, or anything like that, but he attacks without hesitation, maybe it stems from a lack o intelligence....? And as for the nickname thing....wow!! |
| Rick 27.04.2016 07:27 |
Nothing has changed in all these years :-) |
| AlbaNo1 27.04.2016 08:29 |
tomchristie22 wrote:What other reason could there be? Why use a fire extinguisher if no fireBiggus Dickus wrote: Nitroboy wrote: "Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals?" Such a simple question, yet no answer. I guess it's easier to write torrents of abuse instead of answering an awkward question.I genuinely want to know this too, Greg, without any ill will towards you. As you've said, you heard the Rainbow recordings in preparation for the release. Was Freddie's voice really in such a bad state on the March concert that it required so much Pro Tools 'fixing'? (e.g. the bridge in Fairy Feller, where the most egregious autotuning on the release can be found) |
| Nitroboy 27.04.2016 09:21 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:In this case, the fire extinguisher was filled with alcohol.tomchristie22 wrote:What other reason could there be? Why use a fire extinguisher if no fireBiggus Dickus wrote:I genuinely want to know this too, Greg, without any ill will towards you. As you've said, you heard the Rainbow recordings in preparation for the release. Was Freddie's voice really in such a bad state on the March concert that it required so much Pro Tools 'fixing'? (e.g. the bridge in Fairy Feller, where the most egregious autotuning on the release can be found)Nitroboy wrote: "Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals?"Such a simple question, yet no answer. I guess it's easier to write torrents of abuse instead of answering an awkward question. Seriously. Hearing Freddie crack is always better than hearing autotune so ridiculous it would make Cher's 'Believe' sound normal. |
| Battler 27.04.2016 09:58 |
>> Minor correction. It's not Hitler but Putler. << Then you are a Russophobe. No better. >> Best bit of info so far, Biggus Dickus's profile pic is actually Putler... never spotted that before... cool, and funny too << Russophobia is not funny. But then again, Russophobia has always been endemic here at QueenZone. |
| Vali 27.04.2016 10:00 |
Rick wrote: Nothing has changed in all these years :-)^^^^^^so this |
| Battler 27.04.2016 10:00 |
>> I think Mr Brooks loads the gun, only to turn it on himself!! He doesn't help himself one bit really. The sole purpose of his recent posts was to ask for fans to help him do his job, and berate JSS. People then obviously ask questions, only to be belittled by him. The guy is way too defensive. No one is asking him to give us any kind of 'exclusive' as to what's in the vaults, or anything like that, but he attacks without hesitation, maybe it stems from a lack o intelligence....? And as for the nickname thing....wow!! << Well, it seems Mr. Stuart has been lying to this community for decades. In any case, I seriously think Mr. Brooks might have Asperger's as well as OCD (I have OCD and I am similarly prone to such outbursts) which might explain his behavior. |
| Biggus Dickus 27.04.2016 10:02 |
Battler wrote: >> Minor correction. It's not Hitler but Putler. << Then you are a Russophobe. No better. >> Best bit of info so far, Biggus Dickus's profile pic is actually Putler... never spotted that before... cool, and funny too << Russophobia is not funny. But then again, Russophobia has always been endemic here at QueenZone. It is funny. See? I'm lolling. |
| Battler 27.04.2016 10:09 |
- Biggus Dickus: Go tell that to the people of Donbass who are being bombed by the Kiev army. Or to the Russian people whom Putin saved from Yeltsin-era misery. You probably wouldn't come back alive. Maybe I should give myself an avatar mocking Adolfina Merkel, Benito "Mussolini" Draghi, and Josephina Hillary Rodham Clinton dze Jughashvili a.k.a. Lady Stalin. Or maybe [s]Caliph[/s] President Barack *HUSSEIN* Obama. |
| Chief Mouse 27.04.2016 10:10 |
^ In which country do you live? I live in one of the countries bordering Russia, an ex-soviet country for the last 25 years with a reestablished independence and the Crimea story could have just as well happened here if we weren't in the EU and NATO. Russian jets are crossing our air space every once in a while for whatever reason. If Putin had his way, I wouldn't doubt he'd love to bring USSR back and let me tell you, it was a fucked up regime. Putin is an authoritarian leader with a totalitarian tendency and some smaller countries around Russia are scared for their safety. |
| Battler 27.04.2016 10:27 |
I live in Slovenia which is in EU, but I have relatives in Odessa and Moscow. Putin is authoritarian, that's granted, but he has to be. Non-authoritarianism was tried in Russia under both Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and the former brought about the collapse of the USSR, and the latter almost brought about the collapse of Russia itself. And why would Putin want the USSR back when just this year, he openly condemned Lenin and said Lenin put a ticking bomb under Russia. If anything, if he could, he would bring back the Russian Empire. Also it's interesting to note that the Ukrainian nationalists are chanting things like "Muscovites on knives" and "Hang the Muscovite", while they beat up any pro-Russian / pro-federalist presidential candidate in 2014 and burnt alive 200 people in the Odessa trade unions building, where the lucky ones to survive it were then beaten up, arrested, and are being held in prison to this day without trial. They also tried to remove the co-official status of the Russian language as the first thing after the illegitimate Euromaidan coup d'État (where a *DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED* President and Government were overthrown), to which Crimea responded by leaving Ukraine and joining Russia, while the Donbass responded by peacefully protesting and demanding federalization, and after numerous (including the movement's leader Pavel Gubarev) were arrested for political reasons, by doing the exact same thing Maidan did - taking over government buildings, to which Ukraine responded by sending the Ukrainian Armed Forces at them, half of which defected to the pro-Russian side, leaving only western Ukrainian battalions, mostly carrying Nazi insignia such as modified Wolfsangel, fighting for Kiev. Yes, Russia obviously then decided to arm the Donbass rebels, but then again, the US has also armed the "moderate" Syrian opposition (who promptly forwarded the weapons and ammo they received to ISIS who were advancing until Russia stopped them), so if the US can do it, so can Russia. And the Baltic countries have no better. Just in Latvia alone, there's SS veterans parading in Nazi uniforms. Also, why, if Putin wants to grab land so much, has he not grabbed, say, Kazakhstan where he would have a damned good reason to grab (the Baikonur space launch station), or Belarus. And why would he have offered to return 2 off 4 disputed Kurils to Japan (though he took back that offer after Japan refused to recognize the accesion of Crimea to Russia). And about EU and NATO - Slovenia is on both. The EU has thoroughly fucked this country up economically, as they even demanded Slovenia stop producing sugar because otherwise EU would produce too much of it and "couldn't compete with cheap sugar from Latin America". Very good union working in the interest of its people, what can I say, that has no problem cutting jobs in its own member states in order to preserve them in Latin America. And as far as NATO is concerned, we did not need NATO to defend us until Yugoslavia collapsed, and even then we won the 10 days war against the Serbs without NATO help. And Yugoslavia was able to successfully resist Stalin's takeover attempts. So what we need is not EU or NATO, but the return of Yugoslavia, as under Yugoslavia, at least when Tito ruled, we prospered, under EU and NATO, we have increasing unemployment, increasing taxes, and decreasing income. European integration is a good idea on paper, but in practice it has been distorted by the idiots ruling the EU. And we should be non-aligned rather than in NATO like America's sheep. Also, my relatives who live in the USSR, have a bit different story to tell about it than yours. A story where people were not worried of their future, where when you finished schooling, a job waited for you, and where while you couldn't go to the central square and yell "Fuck the Government", you at least didn't have to worry about the risk of ending under a bridge. Oh, and please don't bring up Holodomor. Everyone, myself includes, agrees that Stalin was a barbaric tyrant (though he did save big parts of Europe from Hitler's rule, and I'm grateful to him and the other Allies for that, as well as to Yugoslav partisans), but to exaggerate a mass starvation due to incompetent economic policies and a half-assed barbarian attempt to solve the resulting disaster into a genocide supposedly designed to eliminate Ukrainians, is an absolute absurdity. Just consider that the anti-Russian Ukrainians were mostly on Polish territory back then as they tend to be Galician which was fully Polish-controlled. The USSR controlled the center, east, and south which never had a high degree of nationalism, and instead mostly had pro-Russian sentiment, starting from when they asked the Tzar of Russia to save them from the Poles-Lithuanians centuries earlier (while the Galicians were fine with that). So essentially Stalin would have genocided pro-Russian Ukrainains? For what purpose? Add the fact that more people died in Kazakhstan than Ukraine, and that people died throughout the USSR, including in Russia itself. So where's the genocide? Mass starvantion - absolutely. Genocide - absolutely not. And in any case, holding the Putin regime responsible for Soviet-era crimes is stupid, and even worse is hating all the Russian people for the crimes of Soviet-era leaders. |
| GinjaNinja 27.04.2016 10:52 |
Was Fairy Feller not listed on the track sheet(s) for the multitrack tapes? I seem to remember some of them being included in the Rainbow book, but don't have it to hand to check. A couple of questions for Greg, if he's allowed to elaborate: - Had "Big Spender" been damaged on the March tape, or did copyright problems lead to its exclusion? - Is there any extra footage from the March show available from the better quality source used in the recent BBC documentary? |
| Biggus Dickus 27.04.2016 10:59 |
Battler wrote: - Biggus Dickus: Go tell that to the people of Donbass who are being bombed by the Kiev army. Or to the Russian people whom Putin saved from Yeltsin-era misery. You probably wouldn't come back alive. Maybe I should give myself an avatar mocking Adolfina Merkel, Benito "Mussolini" Draghi, and Josephina Hillary Rodham Clinton dze Jughashvili a.k.a. Lady Stalin. Or maybe [s]Caliph[/s] President Barack *HUSSEIN* Obama. You can have whatever avatar you wish. I don't give a toss. |
| Chief Mouse 27.04.2016 11:51 |
Battler wrote: I live in Slovenia which is in EU, but I have relatives in Odessa and Moscow. Putin is authoritarian, that's granted, but he has to be. Non-authoritarianism was tried in Russia under both Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and the former ....... You raise good points. Obviously neither Putin nor Obama should be looked upon as saviours but neither of them should be defended either as nothing is black and white. I won't comment on the Ukraine issue, but it is clear that each side had their interests and Putin obviously did too. I live in Latvia and I've seen a lot of interviews of veterans and have talked to people living during the time of war. I don't know about your country, but most people who lived here were either taken from their homes by either side or joining Nazis since they thought they'd help liberating their land from Soviets. At the time they didn't think Nazis were trying to occupy land themselves afterwards. Either way, all of whom I've heard talking about it have stated they fought for their country and homeland and not ideology or leader. They had to fight and so they did, often situation being 2 brothers on enemy sides. Obviously, I can't claim hundred percent as it's impossible to know what all the soldiers were thinking but most of them just wanted everyone to leave their home and go away yet they were forced to fight and take sides either willingly or by force. A few old veterans that are still alive going to put down a flower somewhere and reminisce of their war times don't really bother me, perhaps wearing an SS uniform is not the best choice though. May 9 Victory Day is no better for my country as to a lot of people here associate it more with celebrating an occupation, not to mention that it's quite laughable that 85 % of the 'veterans' parading in Soviet uniforms were barely born by the time of war anyway and have more medals and badges than they can hang on their chest. Liberation was all and good except for the fact that they forgot to go away for 50 years. Yes, they stopped producing sugar here as well, I wouldn't say it was the best choice as by now we barely have any export. Baltic states all on their own can't defend anything here even with Nato help, but it still gives a little bit of extra protection if something happens. I take a neutral stand on the whole union thing anyway. It wasn't great here pre-2004 and it's not great now either in the EU. Still better than the early-mid 90s when a lot of people had barely enough money for food. Please don't defend USSR (even if just for the sake of argument). Yes, USSR did have several good things like you mentioned (hey, some of my country's best films and music was made during that time, though nor Queen nor Michael Jackson or anyone for that matter ever came here on tour) but they are overwhelmed by the not so good things. Huge censorship, stores practically empty and even then having endless queues, impossible to travel out of USSR (North Korea much?), when my grandmother was invited to Australia and even sent a ticket by relatives that moved there during the war, she was denied. When those relatives from Australia came here, they decided to go to country side to their old home, their car was followed for 50 KM outside the capital by some dark coloured car. My grandgrandfather was held up and interrogated by KGB for several weeks. Needless to say, he never talked about what happened there. All he did was fight in the war on the nazi side because it was nazis that happened to take him instead of communists. And not to mention the Stalin era repressions - many thousands of people deported to Siberia for whatever ridiculous reasons (like having a semi-national type of book from pre-war period, since because of that you're a traitor). They did it during the night, knock knock, get all your clothes and pack up, we're leaving after 15 mins. Then they toss you in a freight train and off you go. There are stories of some people managing to return back after some years only to be sent back again! You happened to have a bigger house than someone else, you get deported and they send in others to live and share your house instead. My grandmother was almost deported in 1949, I wouldn't be here if she didn't get lucky. They had many sleepless nights waiting for the moment that fortunately didn't happen. Needless to say, today she is absolutely glad that it's over now. So there. I don't know how you can turn a blind eye to all the unfair things that happened and lack of basic human rights that were available back in the days in the western world and are available here today and you say it was good because people had a job in which they could accomplish nothing in anyway. Yes, people weren't living on the streets and that's a good thing. But it's not like today everyone lives on the street! Something tells me you wouldn't be too happy living there today as wouldn't I and even more so people that lived in the west and never experienced any of this. My bottom line - yes, a few good things but they hardly excuse the 90 % rest of the bullshit. Yes, it's stupid to blame all the Russians and Putin for the crimes that happened. Though I'm clearly not a fan of Putin and I do believe he'd accept a chance to create something similar to what once were had he been offered a chance. Russians are good people in general, as are all nations. Though what irritates me is that there is still a small percentage of Russian people here who still think of themselves as superior and privileged and refuse to learn the country's language though living here for decades. Some of those people living near the border of Russia, when interviewed by the TV, say that they only watch Russian TV channels and would love Putin to just come here and take hold of everything. And I don't respect these people in the least bit. In 2012 they went as far to make a referendum about giving Russian language official status, they lost though. Still, that's a small percentage and there are cool Russians who actually speak the language and are nice people. So it makes no sense to blame all the Russians for what the Communist Party did decades ago. I'm growing tired of writing so I'll probably stop here. These are my thoughts and I don't really feel like debating further. What I meant by all this, let's not justify anything that happened and the fact is that communism is bad, maybe not that bad on the paper but in real life it just can't exist together with basic rights. And yes, Putin is not nearly in the same league as Hitler and Stalin. Still, I do have concerns about my country, call that rusophobia if you want. |
| luthorn 27.04.2016 12:28 |
I suppose everyone wants to vent their frustration due to a lack of goodies being released from the Archives. I will not join the queue. Things could be better, however. |
| Battler 27.04.2016 12:58 |
>> Please don't defend USSR (even if just for the sake of argument). Yes, USSR did have several good things like you mentioned (hey, some of my country's best films and music was made during that time, though nor Queen nor Michael Jackson or anyone for that matter ever came here on tour) but they are overwhelmed by the not so good things. Huge censorship, stores practically empty and even then having endless queues, impossible to travel out of USSR (North Korea much?), when my grandmother was invited to Australia and even sent a ticket by relatives that moved there during the war, she was denied. When those relatives from Australia came here, they decided to go to country side to their old home, their car was followed for 50 KM outside the capital by some dark coloured car. My grandgrandfather was held up and interrogated by KGB for several weeks. Needless to say, he never talked about what happened there. All he did was fight in the war on the nazi side because it was nazis that happened to take him instead of communists. And not to mention the Stalin era repressions - many thousands of people deported to Siberia for whatever ridiculous reasons (like having a semi-national type of book from pre-war period, since because of that you're a traitor). They did it during the night, knock knock, get all your clothes and pack up, we're leaving after 15 mins. Then they toss you in a freight train and off you go. There are stories of some people managing to return back after some years only to be sent back again! You happened to have a bigger house than someone else, you get deported and they send in others to live and share your house instead. My grandmother was almost deported in 1949, I wouldn't be here if she didn't get lucky. They had many sleepless nights waiting for the moment that fortunately didn't happen. Needless to say, today she is absolutely glad that it's over now. << Interesting because my mother traveled to SFR Yugoslavia without problem when he met my Slovenian father and then married him here. She grew up in Khruschev and Brezhnev era USSR and she doesn't recall any huge censorship. Heck, she recalls that they were listening to stuff like The Beatles on Voice of America and noone touched them because of that. She had more problems here in Yugoslavia, where she was instantly contacted by the UDBA (our version of the KGB) and asked to spy on the USSR for them, which she declined. Not to mention the Cult of Personality of Tito here in Yugoslavia while the USSR did not have one since Stalin died. And while I don't like how the Soviet regime behaved to your family, I can still understand *WHY* they did it - your relatives did after all come from a country belonging to the bloc that was categorically opposed to the Soviet Union and socialism. And if you think people from USSR and even Western communists were treated any better in the West, you are wrong. You just need to remember Joseph McCarthy and how he persecuted any communists in the US, to the point of destroying their careers. Real freedom, what to say. Add to that the racial segregation (Jim Crow laws) that were in vigor in the US at the time as well as ethnic segregation ("This fountain is for colored people only", "No entry for dogs or niggers", "Offering jobs to everybody - the Irish need not apply", etc.), and you don't really have a country much better. And is EU right now really any better? Most people are so poor they don't have money to take advantage of their right to travel. A lot of people are unemployed and have bleak prospects for their future. We are inviting in hordes of immigrants, quite a few of whom end up shooting our own people or detonating themselves (think Paris 2015 and Brussels 2016), but whoever criticizes the EU or calls against uncontrolled immigration gets called a racist, xenophobe, Nazi, and sometimes even arrested by the police. Sovereign debt gets used by Germany and Brussels to blackmail countries, just ask Greece how well it is for them. They threatened with exiting the EU, and instantly the German forced them to sign an accord favorable to Germany and very unfavorable to Greece. Conservative views are being suppressed and/or ridiculed in the name of political correctness. And most EU member states are decreasing democracy, including by banning more and more types of referenda until none will remain in the end. The people's will is overridden by the word of EU lites and the governments throughout the EU representing them. Elections are completely useless as they have become just a choice between different brands of the same excrement. And in addition to that, the EU itself is the US's lapdog, and it looks like soon the last regulations we have are going to be torn down to make it easier for the US to export their GMO-laden food here. It's done in the form of agreements known as TTIP, TAFTA, TISA, etc. And of course it's all done in secrecy, the public doesn't even have the right to know the details, nor to have a say in it. In addition, we are being spied on without the need to follow us with dark cars. The NSA, GCHQ, etc. just snoop on whatever we say on the Internet. And at least the US and the UK are full of people being detained without trial. >> Though what irritates me is that there is still a small percentage of Russian people here who still think of themselves as superior and privileged and refuse to learn the country's language though living here for decades. << They shouldn't have to learn the country's language. They are an autochtonous minority. Why can we Slovenians have no problem with Italian, Hungarian, and even Roma minorities in Slovenia, we give them full rights and all, while all of you non-Russian European ex-Soviets seem to be so nationalistic. It reminds me a lot of the Croats and the Serbs, and we all know how well their nationalism ended for former Yugoslavia. And your attitude is identical to them. It is also identical to that of the Italian fascists who demanded that all Slavs on territory occupied by Italy started speaking Italian. Children were beaten up in schools for speaking Slovenians, and all places bore signs saying "Here only Italian is spoken". >> Some of those people living near the border of Russia, when interviewed by the TV, say that they only watch Russian TV channels << And a lot here, myself included, only watch Italian TV channels. By your logic, we should all be forced to only watch Slovenian TV channels, or else deported to Italy, even if we're not ethnic Italians. >> and would love Putin to just come here and take hold of everything. << I certainly would love Putin to annex Slovenia. He would make order in a blink and make this country prosper, same as would happen if we just left the EU and reformed Yugoslavia. And as a matter of fact, if NATO and Russia were to go to war against each other, I would defect to the Russian side. >> In 2012 they went as far to make a referendum about giving Russian language official status, they lost though. << If Italian, Hungarian, and Roma can have official status in parts of Slovenia, and if Slovenian state media can have broadcasts in those three languages as well as German (for Carinthia), there is literally no reason for all those ex-Soviet states not to recognize the rights of the ethnic Russians. As much is also stipulated by the UN conventions in vigor. And why can Belgium have three official languages (French, Dutch, German)? Why can Germany recognize the official status of Upper and Lower Sorbian in Lusatia, Ripuarian and Plaatdüütsch in northern Germany, and Bavarian in Bavaria? Poland can recognize that of Pomeranian and Kashubian? Hungary that of Slovenian? Italy that of Slovenian, Friulan, Ladin, Sardin, Austrian German (in Bolzano) and French (in Valle d'Aosta)? Canada that of French in Québec? The US that of Spanish? Heck, even third world countries like Bolivia and Perù have no problem granting minority rights to the likes of Quechua |
| Chief Mouse 27.04.2016 13:43 |
Battler wrote: And while I don't like how the Soviet regime behaved to your family, I can still understand *WHY* they did it - your relatives did after all come from a country belonging to the bloc that was categorically opposed to the Soviet Union and socialism. And if you think people from USSR and even Western communists were treated any better in the West, you are wrong. You just need to remember Joseph McCarthy and how he persecuted any communists in the US, to the point of destroying their careers. Real freedom, what to say. Add to that the racial segregation (Jim Crow laws) that were in vigor in the US at the time as well as ethnic segregation ("This fountain is for colored people only", "No entry for dogs or niggers", "Offering jobs to everybody - the Irish need not apply", etc.), and you don't really have a country much better. And is EU right now really any better? Most people are so poor they don't have money to take advantage of their right to travel. A lot of people are unemployed and have bleak prospects for their future. We are inviting in hordes of immigrants, quite a few of whom end up shooting our own people or detonating themselves (think Paris 2015 and Brussels 2016), but whoever criticizes the EU or calls against uncontrolled immigration gets .... >> Though what irritates me is that there is still a small percentage of Russian people here who still think of themselves as superior and privileged and refuse to learn the country's language though living here for decades. << They shouldn't have to learn the country's language. They are an autochtonous minority. Why can we Slovenians have no problem with Italian, Hungarian, and even Roma minorities in Slovenia, we give them full rights and all, while all of you non-Russian European ex-Soviets seem to be so nationalistic. It reminds me a lot of the Croats and the Serbs, and we all know how well their nationalism ended for former Yugoslavia. And your attitude is identical to them. It is also identical to that of the Italian fascists who demanded that all Slavs on territory occupied by Italy started speaking Italian. Children were beaten up in schools for speaking Slovenians, and all places bore signs saying "Here only Italian is spoken". >> Some of those people living near the border of Russia, when interviewed by the TV, say that they only watch Russian TV channels << And a lot here, myself included, only watch Italian TV channels. By your logic, we should all be forced to only watch Slovenian TV channels, or else deported to Italy, even if we're not ethnic Italians. >> and would love Putin to just come here and take hold of everything. << I certainly would love Putin to annex Slovenia. He would make order in a blink and make this country prosper, same as would happen if we just left the EU and reformed Yugoslavia. And as a matter of fact, if NATO and Russia were to go to war against each other, I would defect to the Russian side."And while I don't like how the Soviet regime behaved to your family, I can still understand *WHY* they did it - your relatives did after all come from a country belonging to the bloc that was categorically opposed to the Soviet Union and socialism." - do you realise how mad that actually sounds? You can see why they did the terrible things they did to 50+ thousand people. I can't see it since they were people who never deserved it. A country that can basically do nothing to defend itself yet its views are the reason good enough to understand and justify what happened? "communists in the US, to the point of destroying their careers" - communists were no better than nazis and nazis were shot after the war. Communists won the war but they were no saints. How can you compare what happened to nations to what happened to a few communists who put their hand in oppressing those nations? Most of them got a freaking medal in Moscow anyway. "And is EU right now really any better? Most people are so poor they don't have money to take advantage of their right to travel." - YES! At lease you have a CHANCE. And if you study and work really hard, you might just end up with enough money to travel somewhere once a few years. "We are inviting in hordes of immigrants, quite a few of whom end up shooting our own people or detonating themselves (think Paris 2015 and Brussels 2016), but whoever criticizes the EU or calls against uncontrolled immigration gets called a racist, xenophobe, Nazi, and sometimes even arrested by the police." - thankfully this hasn't happened here (yet) so I won't comment. I'm not too keen on the immigrant swarm too. "Conservative views are being suppressed and/or ridiculed in the name of political correctness." - in Soviet Union there were no Conservatives. There was just a Communist Party with 98% elected rate (to give an illusion of choice, people went to elections to elect the same party, always.) Of course racism is not good, that's not the point. I'm surprised my language of 1.5 million speaking actually survived after the intense russification for 50 years. If one said it was wrong, he got locked up or ended up missing somewhere. All the papers and official jobs were in Russian. People were not allowed to go church if they wanted to. People couldn't travel out of the USSR, couldn't complain, didn't know what a freaking banana or a burger is. When Stalin died, my grandma is school was forced to cry and she didn't even understand how it is bad that Stalin had died. Much like when a North Korean leader dies (though I've no idea if they genuinely are brainwashed enough to actually cry for real). How in the name of everything such a system is justified AT ALL? The reason why there is big Russian minority here at all is because Stalin deported thousands of people and sent in a lot more Russians in their place. And that minority has grown into a pretty big one. But no matter, what's been in past remains there. I don't care about what language each minority speaks by themselves. Though if I can't get most jobs in my country because I don't know Russian (and I'm not very good at it) something is pretty wrong as I shouldn't have to know it yet it is basically demanded. And it is wrong for people to live decades in a country yet refuse to respect it and its people by at least contacting to non-Russian people in the official language. Again, not all people but a certain percentage. Most people I know talk to Russians in Russian. Few Russians talk to Latvians in Latvian because they don't think they should. But they should, even if just to tolerate one another and show respect. You don't go to the UK and speak to everyone in your own language, instead you try to adapt because it is in general an English country! And my country is in general a Latvian country, with certain traditions, certain language. If I go to Slovenia with an intention to live there for a while, I would start learning Slovenian because it's common sense! They can watch whatever channel they like, but the thing is about principle. Some of them don't even know who the current president is and I'm not joking. I wonder what are they even doing in this country instead of travelling across the border. But they can't be bothered, they'd rather have Russia come to us. Yes, EU has a lot of problems. As every system. I personally don't care whether my country is in the EU or not as long as there is no foreign authoritarian / totalitarian government here. You won't change my views and I won't change yours. I would suggest you to try and build a time machine. Or in worst case, the borders of Russia are open. Either way, I wish you well. |
| Hangman_96 27.04.2016 14:28 |
@ to dear Mr Battler, or whatever his combating alias is. You are full well entitled to your opinion, but could you please not turn a music-related topic into a holy war battlefield? You do realise most of your arguments concerning the matters mentioned are invalid, don't you? |
| Marknow 27.04.2016 14:46 |
This thread has gone full retard, although it was pure shite from the first post anyway. |
| Chief Mouse 27.04.2016 14:50 |
I agree. But I'm sorry for expanding the off-topic, I felt like I had to. Anyway, there won't be any more from me concerning politics. Hardly my favourite subject :) |
| Battler 27.04.2016 20:30 |
>> "And while I don't like how the Soviet regime behaved to your family, I can still understand *WHY* they did it - your relatives did after all come from a country belonging to the bloc that was categorically opposed to the Soviet Union and socialism." - do you realise how mad that actually sounds? You can see why they did the terrible things they did to 50+ thousand people. I can't see it since they were people who never deserved it. A country that can basically do nothing to defend itself yet its views are the reason good enough to understand and justify what happened? << What I meant was, I can see what the motivation for the Soviets' actions were. Also, you haven't even elaborated if your relatives' experiences from the Stalin era or after it. My mother's experiences are from after the Stalin era (Khrushchev was leader at the time). She had to learn Ukrainian in addition to Russian at school. She was able to emigrate to Yugoslavia without problems, the only country she was unable to travel to, was Romania because at the time Romania's borders were the ones actually closed. She and her friends listened to Voice of America without any KGB person every bothering them about it. In the post-Stalin era, people at the very least had an idea what Western music was. Queen's Live in Budapest '86 was shown in cinemas in all European socialist countries, the Soviet Union included. >> "communists in the US, to the point of destroying their careers" - communists were no better than nazis and nazis were shot after the war. Communists won the war but they were no saints. How can you compare what happened to nations to what happened to a few communists who put their hand in oppressing those nations? Most of them got a freaking medal in Moscow anyway. << Uh what, I am talking about people like film directors, musicians (think Pete Seeger), etc. who had no part in politics, and may or may not have adhered to communism or socialism. But just the accusation was enough to get their careers ruined under McCarthyism. And no, persecuting someone for their political views is NOT OK. >> "And is EU right now really any better? Most people are so poor they don't have money to take advantage of their right to travel." - YES! At lease you have a CHANCE. And if you study and work really hard, you might just end up with enough money to travel somewhere once a few years. << That is IF you find a job, which is becoming harder and harder in present-day EU, especially now that all production has been outsourced to cheaper countries such as China. >> "We are inviting in hordes of immigrants, quite a few of whom end up shooting our own people or detonating themselves (think Paris 2015 and Brussels 2016), but whoever criticizes the EU or calls against uncontrolled immigration gets called a racist, xenophobe, Nazi, and sometimes even arrested by the police." - thankfully this hasn't happened here (yet) so I won't comment. I'm not too keen on the immigrant swarm too. << But it has happened in Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, etc. >> "Conservative views are being suppressed and/or ridiculed in the name of political correctness." - in Soviet Union there were no Conservatives. There was just a Communist Party with 98% elected rate (to give an illusion of choice, people went to elections to elect the same party, always.) << No, I mean in the EU (and the US). Anyone expressing a conservative view in at least the western parts of the EU, gets called a homophobe, transphobe, racist, islamophobe, xenophobe, misogynist, rapist/rape enabler(!), etc. Quite a few people have had their careers ruined because they happened to made a comment on Twitter that some idiots on Tumblr deemed *phobic, and the Tumblr idiots reacted to it by contacting their bosses and spreading falsehoods. >> Of course racism is not good, that's not the point. I'm surprised my language of 1.5 million speaking actually survived after the intense russification for 50 years. If one said it was wrong, he got locked up or ended up missing somewhere. All the papers and official jobs were in Russian. People were not allowed to go church if they wanted to. People couldn't travel out of the USSR, couldn't complain, didn't know what a freaking banana or a burger is. When Stalin died, my grandma is school was forced to cry and she didn't even understand how it is bad that Stalin had died. Much like when a North Korean leader dies (though I've no idea if they genuinely are brainwashed enough to actually cry for real). How in the name of everything such a system is justified AT ALL? << That's funny because my mother was baptized at an Orthodox church, and had to learn Ukrainian at school. She also emigrated to Yugoslavia with official permit. She also knew what bananas and burgers were as she listened to Voice of America without anyone being bothered about it. Of course, Stalin had been dead for 2 years when she was born, so she never experienced Stalin-era repression, but to equate Stalin-era repression with that happened after he did, is ridiculous. And she condemns Stalin, by the way, as do I. Let me also remind you that the same supposedly evil socialist USSR is where Gorbachev came into power and started his reforms. And it doesn't look like he had the KGB knocking on his door for it, neither was he sent to Siberia. And tell me how 2016 Ukraine is any better than the Soviet Union anyway - pro-Russian politicians get beaten up, students at universities get forced to sing the Ukrainian anthem at gunpoint, there is rampant famine as prices have skyrocketed while wages have gone down massively, ethnic Russians in Donbass are being bombed by what is supposed to be their own army, children in schools are being taught that ancient Ukry dug out the Black sea and then fought and won wars against Persians, peaceful protesters get sent to prison, and so on. >> The reason why there is big Russian minority here at all is because Stalin deported thousands of people and sent in a lot more Russians in their place. And that minority has grown into a pretty big one. << So you think not a single Russian moved to Latvia during 200+ years of Latvia being ruled by the Russian Empire? That's hard to believe. And as the Romanians in Moldova can tell you, the Tzar's russification policies were just as bad as Stalin's, if not worse. Also, add the fact that Stalin was not even Russian himself - he was Georgian! So while I agree he was a bastard who needed to be shot, he certainly was not a Russian nationalist, nor he had the reason to be one. >> But no matter, what's been in past remains there. I don't care about what language each minority speaks by themselves. Though if I can't get most jobs in my country because I don't know Russian (and I'm not very good at it) something is pretty wrong as I shouldn't have to know it yet it is basically demanded. << Most jobs (that are still left) here demand the knowledge of English, Italian, and Croatian/Serbian. Or Hungarian instead of Italian in Prekmurje, probably German in Carinthia. Somehow Slovenians have no problems with that. And Italian, Hungarian, and German are as much a symbol of past rule here as Russian is in Latvia - remember that Slovenia was for most history divided among the Republic of Venice, the German/Austrian Habsburgs, and Hungary (that later the Habsburgs took over anyway). And we have actually endured abuse from Italians and Germans during 1920-1945, but yet, people here don't complain they have to know those languages to get a job. >> And it is wrong for people to live decades in a country yet refuse to respect it and its people by at least contacting to non-Russian people in the official language. << But given the fact a lot of the Russians have been in Latvia for centuries, by UN and EU directives, Russian should have minority status in Latvia. Again, if Italians and Hungarians can have minority status here which grants them the right to live without ever s |
| Queen Archivist 28.04.2016 20:04 |
cmsdrums wrote: … I work for an organisation many thousands of times bigger than QPL, and you will have personally benefitted from my employer, so your personal and petty insults really don't work on me I'm afraid. And if you're going to call me a twat, don't then say 'sorry' for doing so, as that's rather spineless and pointless! Shame.GB: Oooooooh! cmsdrums. Get you and your "organisation many thousands of times bigger than QPL" I think I struck a nerve. You teasing tantaliser you… "I will have personally benefitted from your employer" will I. I'm all suitably intrigued and impressed now. Is your company ANDREX? Is it toilet rolls that I've benefitted from, from your employer? That would be appropriate for so many reasons! |
| 7cees 28.04.2016 22:13 |
What happened here...??? Also, I just want to say that I'm English but I live in Moscow, Russia. Don't believe everything you read about Russia and Russians. They have their problems (who doesn't) but this is a great place to live and work. |
| tomchristie22 28.04.2016 22:58 |
Nitroboy wrote: Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals? |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2016 00:24 |
Queen Archivist wrote:This is literally part and parcel what I was describing in page 8 of the other thread.cmsdrums wrote: … I work for an organisation many thousands of times bigger than QPL, and you will have personally benefitted from my employer, so your personal and petty insults really don't work on me I'm afraid. And if you're going to call me a twat, don't then say 'sorry' for doing so, as that's rather spineless and pointless! Shame.GB: Oooooooh! cmsdrums. Get you and your "organisation many thousands of times bigger than QPL" I think I struck a nerve. You teasing tantaliser you… "I will have personally benefitted from your employer" will I. I'm all suitably intrigued and impressed now. Is your company ANDREX? Is it toilet rolls that I've benefitted from, from your employer? That would be appropriate for so many reasons! Hope it was worth all the energy, instead of responding to far more legitimate inquiries that you've ignored. |
| The Real Wizard 29.04.2016 00:26 |
tomchristie22 wrote:He won't answer it. He's too busy talking about toilet paper and taking the bait from some Dutch guy in another thread.Nitroboy wrote: Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals? |
| Sebastian 29.04.2016 08:14 |
Or perhaps he doesn't know either. FAIK, his role is that of an archivist, but once QPL have the tape contents, they've got other people to deal with sound editing, remixing, remastering and the such. They'd be the ones to ask, not Greg. |
| Nitroboy 29.04.2016 08:26 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I know he won't answer legitimate questions - he's a hack. He's not even a proper archivist.tomchristie22 wrote:He won't answer it. He's too busy talking about toilet paper and taking the bait from some Dutch guy in another thread.Nitroboy wrote: Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals? As I mentioned earlier (page 3), he's simply keeping storage. He's not actually archiving anything. |
| Biggus Dickus 29.04.2016 08:30 |
Sebastian wrote: Or perhaps he doesn't know either. FAIK, his role is that of an archivist, but once QPL have the tape contents, they've got other people to deal with sound editing, remixing, remastering and the such. They'd be the ones to ask, not Greg. How easy it would be just to say "I don't know anything about that, I don't deal with that side of things." My opinion is that he's aware but just not answering because it's a touchy question. |
| Costa86 29.04.2016 09:14 |
This thread really has gone full retard, as Marknow said. Pity really, because Greg does have some interesting information to give, although he is indeed very selective of the questions he answers. He particularly likes to avoid the more salient ones. I'm sorry Greg, I know it's hard to deal with all these fans here, some of which are very antagonistic. But I think you do feed the trolls sometimes too. That business with the Dutch chap in the other thread, about meeting him in Holland etc... was a bit much. On the verge of turning into a dick measuring contest. |
| tomchristie22 29.04.2016 10:28 |
Sebastian wrote: Or perhaps he doesn't know either. FAIK, his role is that of an archivist, but once QPL have the tape contents, they've got other people to deal with sound editing, remixing, remastering and the such. They'd be the ones to ask, not Greg.I've tried pming Justin Shirley Smith to no avail - I'd have no clue how to contact those involved beyond that. Nonetheless, Greg's stated that he listened to the tapes prior to their being used for the Rainbow release, so he knows what Freddie's vocals sounded like unaltered, and hence might be able to provide insight into why QPL might've felt they needed changing. |
| Sebastian 29.04.2016 16:16 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: How easy it would be just to say "I don't know anything about that, I don't deal with that side of things."For some people (I don't know if that includes GB or not), it can be unbelievably massively difficult to admit something like that. Biggus Dickus wrote: My opinion is that he's aware but just not answering because it's a touchy question.Perhaps that's what he wants you/us to think. tomchristie22 wrote: Greg's stated that he listened to the tapes prior to their being used for the Rainbow release, so he knows what Freddie's vocals sounded like unaltered, and hence might be able to provide insight into why QPL might've felt they needed changing.Theoretically, yes. But, then again, FAIK, he's not a voice expert and doesn't necessarily have eidetic memory. Not that you would need it... but not everyone would pay the same attention to those details. |
| Mr.QueenFan 29.04.2016 18:25 |
The Real Wizard wrote:He will not answer and i'm almost certain no one will answer because people are asking with judgement in their words. "Hey pal, why did you use autotune on Freddies voice?" but what they really mean is "Hey, why did you have to use that thing that only fake singers use and corrupt the voice or one of the greatest singers of all time?"tomchristie22 wrote:He won't answer it. He's too busy talking about toilet paper and taking the bait from some Dutch guy in another thread.Nitroboy wrote: Allow me to ask this simple question: Why did they autotune Freddie's vocals? You will never win with the answer you give because people already made up their minds about auto-tune, and how they shouldn't have used it in the first place. How can people expect that the "Hyde Park" concert will ever be released without studio magic considering that the band was hardly in tune? And people loved Rainbow when it came out, only when someone pointed this out, others started to jump in on the discussion, meaning that maybe, just maybe they did a good job. I don't know, because i haven't heard it myself. I'm just going by people's reaction on this board. |
| BETA215 29.04.2016 19:14 |
Mr.QueenFan: "[...] only when someone pointed this out, others started to jump in on the discussion, meaning that maybe, just maybe they did a good job. [...]" The ones that pointed the AutoTune/Melodyne were mostly people like me who has worked with it, or has dealt with it in some way (even just hearing and recognising). For the common deaf tone dude it sounds great. But for the experienced in some way, it just sounds awful. And that's not their target. So, they did a good job. But a job for the common Joe, not for musicians or fans. And that bothers me a lot. |
| Sebastian 30.04.2016 04:38 |
BETA215 wrote: So, they did a good job. But a job for the common Joe, not for musicians or fans. And that bothers me a lot.It goes without saying: releases are made thinking about the general public, not musicians or fans. |
| AlbaNo1 30.04.2016 05:02 |
Sebastian wrote:In most cases, but Rainbow surely was not targeted at the general public. 90% of those who bought it would have delighted to see ffms on the set list and then noticed the auto tune or that it sounded odd.BETA215 wrote: So, they did a good job. But a job for the common Joe, not for musicians or fans. And that bothers me a lot.It goes without saying: releases are made thinking about the general public, not musicians or fans. |
| Sebastian 30.04.2016 06:36 |
Judging by sales and ratings, quite a large portion of the buyers didn't notice or didn't care. Some did, of course, but not enough to cause QPL to notice and the damage had been done anyway. |
| Nitroboy 30.04.2016 08:15 |
Sebastian wrote:Which is why Queen is becoming ever-so-slightly more irrelevant for every year that passes.BETA215 wrote: So, they did a good job. But a job for the common Joe, not for musicians or fans. And that bothers me a lot.It goes without saying: releases are made thinking about the general public, not musicians or fans. |
| AlbaNo1 30.04.2016 09:54 |
Once again. How is a live album containing only two hit singles not targeted at "serious" fans? It's not a Greatest Hits or We Will Rock You musical fan type of release. How "serious" do you have to be ?The common Joe doesn't own Queen or Queen 2. Brooks is right,this is Moanzone for sure.I agree the auto tune sounds odd but it doesn't discredit the best release in years. All live albums are doctored be it studio overdubs, cut and pastes from other gigs or auto tune correction. |
