QueenZone discussion #1449878
Hyde Park 1976 early QTV logo version (raw audio > flac) sample
| . 13.03.2016 16:38 |
Perhaps this can be improved upon, I've been told it's fairly decent quality audio compared with what else is around. This sample is a raw flac transfer from my VHS recording, but is it worth the effort or even a good idea? If so I could make the complete audio available to somebody for a project, comments welcome. QTV broadcast > VHS/VCR Line Out > PC Sound Card Line In > 16 bit 44.1KHz Flac Level 8 link I was there. |
| que.123 13.03.2016 21:01 |
Thank you for the sample, any improvement to this show is always most welcome! As part of a remaster if anybody has the complete single camera version (yourself or Sikke maybe?) this could be used to repair the damaged audio (and video) that exists on parts of the common version (assuming that there wasn’t some sort of power fluctuation at the event which caused all the recording equipment to malfunction at the same time) e.g. there is always bad audio fluctuation and video roll at the start of You're My Best Friend on all the common versions that I’ve seen, the single camera version could potentially be used to fix this. I may be wrong but to my ears Keep Yourself Alive from the single camera version on your YouTube channel sounds to have a lot less “wow & flutter” than the common version, maybe this is the best starting point for an audio remaster if it exists in full – Queenlive.ca indicates that it does? |
| Barry Durex 14.03.2016 03:44 |
There was a guy on here that managed to fix a similar sort of tape stretch problem on the Roger Taylor Fun In Space remaster. No idea how he did it, but it proves it can be done. |
| Barry Durex 14.03.2016 03:46 |
Is there any more indications on an official release? |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 14.03.2016 08:38 |
que.123 wrote: Thank you for the sample, any improvement to this show is always most welcome! As part of a remaster if anybody has the complete single camera version (yourself or Sikke maybe?) this could be used to repair the damaged audio (and video) that exists on parts of the common version (assuming that there wasn’t some sort of power fluctuation at the event which caused all the recording equipment to malfunction at the same time) e.g. there is always bad audio fluctuation and video roll at the start of You're My Best Friend on all the common versions that I’ve seen, the single camera version could potentially be used to fix this. I may be wrong but to my ears Keep Yourself Alive from the single camera version on your YouTube channel sounds to have a lot less “wow & flutter” than the common version, maybe this is the best starting point for an audio remaster if it exists in full – Queenlive.ca indicates that it does? I am willing to share. But tell me more about the "damaged audio" what is the part that needs to be repaired ? |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 14.03.2016 08:50 |
Barry Durex wrote: Is there any more indications on an official release? No not for this year though 2 producst will be before december released. |
| aristide1 14.03.2016 09:55 |
Don't know who started this trend of 3rd party remastering before sharing something, but seems like a wrong direction to me. How about sharing as it is, in the best quality possible (at least 24/96 considering the year is 2016), and let the others to work on it as they please. You may avoid absurd questions, like "what is the part that needs to be repaired?" |
| . 14.03.2016 10:20 |
I can only comment on my QTV recording and I'm not sure if a 24/96 transfer is really necessary. |
| The Real Wizard 14.03.2016 10:42 |
Barry Durex wrote: There was a guy on here that managed to fix a similar sort of tape stretch problem on the Roger Taylor Fun In Space remaster. No idea how he did it, but it proves it can be done.Do you remember which thread it was posted in? I'm very curious about this. |
| . 14.03.2016 10:45 |
I also agree that not EVERYTHING needs to be cleaned up before sharing, but in the case of my transfer I think it does. Otherwise there would be little in the way of possibly classifying it as any sort of upgrade. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 14.03.2016 10:53 |
aristide1 wrote: Don't know who started this trend of 3rd party remastering before sharing something, but seems like a wrong direction to me. How about sharing as it is, in the best quality possible (at least 24/96 considering the year is 2016), and let the others to work on it as they please. You may avoid absurd questions, like "what is the part that needs to be repaired?" You Aristide1 may avoid this webboard.... I don;t want to ruin this website with another inferior HP audio upload. |
| . 14.03.2016 11:03 |
Like I said in my first post, this might not even be a good idea. Perhaps we just forget about it then as all we have to work with seems rather inferior to start with. |
| aristide1 14.03.2016 11:23 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:Sorry, my mistake for taking your question literally. Should have been familiar by now with the small talk ritual preceding shares from personal vault.aristide1 wrote: Don't know who started this trend of 3rd party remastering before sharing something, but seems like a wrong direction to me. How about sharing as it is, in the best quality possible (at least 24/96 considering the year is 2016), and let the others to work on it as they please. You may avoid absurd questions, like "what is the part that needs to be repaired?"You Aristide1 may avoid this webboard.... I don;t want to ruin this website with another inferior HP audio upload. I guess it would be shocking to suddenly see a link if you are not psychologically trained first: some conversation on deinterlacing algorithms, some pictures of the tape on the kitchen table. |
| que.123 14.03.2016 11:26 |
"I am willing to share. But tell me more about the "damaged audio" what is the part that needs to be repaired ?" Hi Sikke, Thank you for your reply, you may have access to a "common version" which does not need repair (as well as having the full single camera version). For the rest of us there is significant picture and audio break up at 20:31:10 during White Queen and at 20:47:00 during The March Of The Black Queen just to give a couple of examples. (The damage that I mentioned in my first post during You're My Best Friend occurs at 20:40:17). Also there is an odd fluttering effect throughout which, as far as I can tell, does not appear to be present on the single camera version. Thank you for your offer to share. |
| MackMantilla 14.03.2016 11:48 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:So we should not expect an official release of HP this year.Barry Durex wrote: Is there any more indications on an official release?No not for this year though 2 producst will be before december released. Maybe QP will choose a 30th anniversary concert? Thanks for the info |
| DepeX 14.03.2016 11:55 |
MackMantilla wrote:Wembley '86 BluRay ;-)Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:So we should not expect an official release of HP this year. Maybe QP will choose a 30th anniversary concert? Thanks for the infoBarry Durex wrote: Is there any more indications on an official release?No not for this year though 2 producst will be before december released. |
| Marknow 14.03.2016 12:01 |
aristide1 wrote:I guess it would be shocking to suddenly see a link if you are not psychologically trained first: some conversation on deinterlacing algorithms, some pictures of the tape on the kitchen table. I love a bit of humor here. :) |
| Marknow 14.03.2016 12:04 |
DepeX wrote:Wembley '86 BluRay ;-) And Hyde Park toilet paper with each frame of video lovingly reproduced on each sheet. Full colour with the original 4:3 aspect ratio. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 14.03.2016 12:42 |
que.123 wrote: "I am willing to share. But tell me more about the "damaged audio" what is the part that needs to be repaired ?" Hi Sikke, Thank you for your reply, you may have access to a "common version" which does not need repair (as well as having the full single camera version). For the rest of us there is significant picture and audio break up at 20:31:10 during White Queen and at 20:47:00 during The March Of The Black Queen just to give a couple of examples. (The damage that I mentioned in my first post during You're My Best Friend occurs at 20:40:17). Also there is an odd fluttering effect throughout which, as far as I can tell, does not appear to be present on the single camera version. Thank you for your offer to share. MOFTBQ : https://youtu.be/_4R5EXQBdkk White QUEEN : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjikMXwLz6I |
| Barry Durex 14.03.2016 13:16 |
Thanks for the clips. You're My Best Friend also goes a bit wonky on the QTV version and the very beginning of the concert intro is also missing. Is it possible for flac uploads as the audio is a bit muffled on your KYA wide angle youtube clip. |
| . 14.03.2016 15:49 |
Perhaps the audio could be uploaded in flac? |
| que.123 14.03.2016 16:12 |
Hi Sikke, Thank you very much for those clips, your version clearly does not contain the same video and audio damage that I was referring to that exists on the common circulating versions! (Both QTV and non QTV have the same damage). I don't want to push my luck too far or cross some sort of line by asking but I just wondered what you meant when you said that you were willing to share i.e. do you mean clips to repair the damaged sections or the whole thing? Thanks again for the share, it is much appreciated. |
| BETA215 14.03.2016 18:04 |
Kurgan, please don't pay attention to aristide1 dialogue about the good and the bad. Just let him write alone. Don't even bother to mention or reply him, please. Thanks. |
| . 14.03.2016 18:17 |
I got him pegged. |
| MJDSQ 15.03.2016 03:18 |
Thank you very much Ghostwithasmile. I've been listening to the two HP videos you posted the whole day. Best quality I've seem and the video is great. No audio/video damage which indicates that this is a much better copy than the ones circulating. |
| . 15.03.2016 04:47 |
I'll make a fresh transfer of the intro from my tape of the 'Free In The Park' bootleg using my Sherwood HX-PRO deck. Is this still an audio project?, I've lost the plot a bit. |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 05:27 |
The Kurgan wrote: I'll make a fresh transfer of the intro from my tape of the 'Free In The Park' bootleg using my Sherwood HX-PRO deck. Is this still an audio project?, I've lost the plot a bit.You've lost the plot because it is not clear what "project" you have in mind. A restoration or a mix of sources? Although your lack of response to the generous yet elusive offer of another source is an obvious answer. Maybe third tape lucky, as they say. |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 05:30 |
que.123 wrote: I don't want to push my luck too far or cross some sort of line by asking but I just wondered what you meant when you said that you were willing to share i.e. do you mean clips to repair the damaged sections or the whole thing?It means he has a better tape, which he owns it, and it's his tape. The best moment to share (this information) is when somebody else has a tape. Can't be a winner if there are no losers. Did i mentioned sikke has a better tape? |
| . 15.03.2016 05:45 |
Free In The Park Intro: (not on QTV version) link If anyone wants to attempt an audio project just PM me. For anything else, PM aristide1. |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 07:31 |
The Kurgan wrote: Free In The Park Intro: (not on QTV version) link If anyone wants to attempt an audio project just PM me. For anything else, PM aristide1.It's the second time in a short period i hear of such "projects" and I'm just curious how works this kind a partnership. First you receive applications, select the most reliable one, mail him the files, and then what? He can post the result, or he needs your approval as a producer? I guess a nondisclosure agreement is mandatory, to protect the original files to become public. Which seems to be your only concern. |
| . 15.03.2016 08:23 |
I have sent the file link to somebody. |
| . 15.03.2016 09:29 |
Do you want a raw version then? |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 10:13 |
The Kurgan wrote: I have sent the file link to somebody. Do you want a raw version then?Yes, i'd like to hear it. |
| . 15.03.2016 10:18 |
aristide1 wrote:The Kurgan wrote: I have sent the file link to somebody. Do you want a raw version then?Yes, i'd like to hear it. I'll send you the VHS tape as I've finished with it now. PM me your address |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 10:58 |
The Kurgan wrote:The VHS tape is as raw as can be, but don't have a VHS player anymore. PM me your address and we may watch it together sometime.aristide1 wrote:I'll send you the VHS tape as I've finished with it now. PM me your addressThe Kurgan wrote: I have sent the file link to somebody. Do you want a raw version then?Yes, i'd like to hear it. |
| Marknow 15.03.2016 11:24 |
aristide1 wrote:The Kurgan wrote:The VHS tape is as raw as can be, but don't have a VHS player anymore. PM me your address and we may watch it together sometime.aristide1 wrote:I'll send you the VHS tape as I've finished with it now. PM me your addressThe Kurgan wrote: I have sent the file link to somebody. Do you want a raw version then?Yes, i'd like to hear it. Can I come too? I'll bring popcorn and heroin for everybody. |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 11:52 |
Marknow wrote:Save heroin for moments when you really don't want to be sober. Like a Brian May & Kerry Ellis show.aristide1 wrote:Can I come to? I'll bring popcorn and heroin for everybody.The Kurgan wrote:The VHS tape is as raw as can be, but don't have a VHS player anymore. PM me your address and we may watch it together sometime.aristide1 wrote:I'll send you the VHS tape as I've finished with it now. PM me your addressThe Kurgan wrote: I have sent the file link to somebody. Do you want a raw version then?Yes, i'd like to hear it. |
| . 15.03.2016 11:55 |
aristide1 wrote:I live in a caravan and I'm constantly on the move.The Kurgan wrote:The VHS tape is as raw as can be, but don't have a VHS player anymore. PM me your address and we may watch it together sometime.aristide1 wrote:I'll send you the VHS tape as I've finished with it now. PM me your addressThe Kurgan wrote: I have sent the file link to somebody. Do you want a raw version then?Yes, i'd like to hear it. PM me your address just in case I'm passing. |
| Marknow 15.03.2016 12:00 |
The Kurgan wrote:I live in a caravan and I'm constantly on the move. PM me your address just in case I'm passing. Brilliant. :) |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 12:16 |
The Kurgan wrote:This could explain the speed issues of your tape. Don't use the car battery to power the player.aristide1 wrote:I live in a caravan and I'm constantly on the move. PM me your address just in case I'm passing.The Kurgan wrote:The VHS tape is as raw as can be, but don't have a VHS player anymore. PM me your address and we may watch it together sometime.aristide1 wrote:I'll send you the VHS tape as I've finished with it now. PM me your addressThe Kurgan wrote: I have sent the file link to somebody. Do you want a raw version then?Yes, i'd like to hear it. |
| . 15.03.2016 12:25 |
I always use a 230V hook up point when making my VHS transfers. |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 12:37 |
Thank you for entering the game with good spirit. The ultimate joke may be to send me the link, after all. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 15.03.2016 12:50 |
aristide1 wrote:Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:Sorry, my mistake for taking your question literally. Should have been familiar by now with the small talk ritual preceding shares from personal vault. I guess it would be shocking to suddenly see a link if you are not psychologically trained first: some conversation on deinterlacing algorithms, some pictures of the tape on the kitchen table.aristide1 wrote: Don't know who started this trend of 3rd party remastering before sharing something, but seems like a wrong direction to me. How about sharing as it is, in the best quality possible (at least 24/96 considering the year is 2016), and let the others to work on it as they please. You may avoid absurd questions, like "what is the part that needs to be repaired?"You Aristide1 may avoid this webboard.... I don;t want to ruin this website with another inferior HP audio upload. Yes here you go...... The original scoth tape on a table.... |
| Marknow 15.03.2016 13:02 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Yes here you go...... The original scoth tape on a table.... Nice one, hopefully somebody will include this in the artwork.... :P |
| aristide1 15.03.2016 13:09 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:I hope the pro studio where you make the transfers can pull something of it.aristide1 wrote:Yes here you go...... The original scoth tape on a table....Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:Sorry, my mistake for taking your question literally. Should have been familiar by now with the small talk ritual preceding shares from personal vault. I guess it would be shocking to suddenly see a link if you are not psychologically trained first: some conversation on deinterlacing algorithms, some pictures of the tape on the kitchen table.aristide1 wrote: Don't know who started this trend of 3rd party remastering before sharing something, but seems like a wrong direction to me. How about sharing as it is, in the best quality possible (at least 24/96 considering the year is 2016), and let the others to work on it as they please. You may avoid absurd questions, like "what is the part that needs to be repaired?"You Aristide1 may avoid this webboard.... I don;t want to ruin this website with another inferior HP audio upload. Like the hi-res audio made from a regular audio saved in a hi-res format. |
| The Real Wizard 15.03.2016 13:27 |
HAHA, you guys are killing me !! |
| DepeX 15.03.2016 13:37 |
I think reading this thread is one of the best things ever :-) |
| . 15.03.2016 14:20 |
Well I PM'd the raw version QTV flac link to somebody who asked for it a few days ago, but got no reply so don't know what happened. They said they was going to have a stab at improving it, so you might see that version shared by them at some point. See this thread if you want that complete raw version. /queenzone/1450159.html |
| . 17.03.2016 09:20 |
I also made a new transfer of Free In The Park LP Updated link (speed adjusted) http://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/1869b93249ef1b8294d1ca85aca2c19320160318100508/ddb135 |
| aristide1 17.03.2016 10:06 |
Thank you. You were right when you've spotted the potential of this tape. It's enjoyable event without improvements. |
| pittrek 17.03.2016 10:18 |
Wow, what a guy doesn't find after a week away from the internet. The Free In The Park is extremely slow, but it's definitely one of the better copies existing. |
| que.123 17.03.2016 10:26 |
Possibly most people already know but, just for the record as it hasn’t been mentioned previously in this thread, Sikke also shared Bohemian Rhapsody/Killer Queen from his Hyde Park source a couple of months ago on his YouTube channel. Maybe it fell under the radar because those two songs don’t contain any significant damage on the currently circulating versions? I certainly hope he shares some more clips during this 40th anniversary year especially if there is no official release in the pipeline! |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 17.03.2016 11:29 |
aristide1 wrote:Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:I hope the pro studio where you make the transfers can pull something of it. Like the hi-res audio made from a regular audio saved in a hi-res format.aristide1 wrote:Yes here you go...... The original scoth tape on a table....Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote:Sorry, my mistake for taking your question literally. Should have been familiar by now with the small talk ritual preceding shares from personal vault. I guess it would be shocking to suddenly see a link if you are not psychologically trained first: some conversation on deinterlacing algorithms, some pictures of the tape on the kitchen table.aristide1 wrote: Don't know who started this trend of 3rd party remastering before sharing something, but seems like a wrong direction to me. How about sharing as it is, in the best quality possible (at least 24/96 considering the year is 2016), and let the others to work on it as they please. You may avoid absurd questions, like "what is the part that needs to be repaired?"You Aristide1 may avoid this webboard.... I don;t want to ruin this website with another inferior HP audio upload. We tried it in the studio the result equals : Scotch tape = Sticky tape.... so no results yet...;-) |
| que.123 17.03.2016 11:55 |
I think you're going to get a Hyde Park stereo soundboard off that tape if you keep trying!!! |
| . 17.03.2016 13:11 |
pittrek wrote: Wow, what a guy doesn't find after a week away from the internet. The Free In The Park is extremely slow, but it's definitely one of the better copies existing. I updated that previous link with speed adjusted version due to the tape is running slow. How do you work out the speed adjustment? |
| Sue Dounim 17.03.2016 16:04 |
Try making it the same length as the QTV version and see if that works |
| moonie 17.03.2016 16:36 |
Cheers Sikke for sharing parts of your Hyde Park source. It's been my holy grail to get hold of a decent copy of this for about 30 years so fair play to you for managing to do just that. It looks great, and sounds very decent too. |
| moonie 17.03.2016 16:39 |
Cheers Sikke for sharing parts of your Hyde Park source. It's been my holy grail to get hold of a decent copy of this for about 30 years so fair play to you for managing to do just that. It looks great, and sounds very decent too. |
| moonie 17.03.2016 16:39 |
Apologies for double post. |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2016 00:03 |
The Kurgan wrote: How do you work out the speed adjustment?I'm a musician with perfect pitch, so I can hear when something is even slightly sharp or flat. |
| The Real Wizard 18.03.2016 00:05 |
Sue Dounim wrote: Try making it the same length as the QTV version and see if that worksIndeed - as long as the QTV version runs at the right speed, which in this case it does. There's a bit of trial and error, but it works, as long as there are no cuts in either version. |
| Barry Durex 18.03.2016 03:04 |
What the real wizard could do is download the free in the park youtube clip and tell you what adjustment he uses to correct it in audacity. |
| . 18.03.2016 05:08 |
Ok, I took track one of Real Wizards Free In The Park share and measured the length at 3.22786 I then cut the same section out of my transfer and made it the same length, the speed up worked out at 3.166% Does this sound right now? link |
| peckery 18.03.2016 10:49 |
Many thanks for the HP Youtube songs, Ghostwithasmile. They are the best quality I've seen and heard. There is still some slight "quivering"/flutter on Fred's voice but maybe he was nervous or had a sore throat ! I must listen again to the officially-released HP song ("39" I think). With other copies of this "Holy Grail" video, the audio flutter/quiver/waver makes it a hard, unpleasant listening experience, sadly... |
| pittrek 19.03.2016 17:06 |
The Kurgan wrote: Ok, I took track one of Real Wizards Free In The Park share and measured the length at 3.22786 I then cut the same section out of my transfer and made it the same length, the speed up worked out at 3.166% Does this sound right now? linkNot sure if it's 100% correct, but it does "sound" correct at least to my ears. Both Bob Harris' voice sounds like its having the correct pitch, the taped intro sounds having the correct pitch and speed. |
| . 20.03.2016 05:24 |
Thanks Peter, that's good enough for me. |