| The Real Wizard 14.01.2016 01:26 |
Just gave Aladdin Sane (from 1973) a spin, to much delight as always. But something stood out to me this time - the last minute of Lady Grinning Soul is almost certainly a place where Queen found inspiration for the instrumental section of Tenement Funster on their next album. Bowie's influence is all over the rock music of the era, and here's a pretty clear spot where Queen liked what he was doing and made it theirs. You guys can (thin white) duke it out, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one. |
| Togg 14.01.2016 02:52 |
Just had a listen, there certainly is a similarity and it's very possible that Roger wanted something like that on the track |
| tomchristie22 14.01.2016 03:16 |
Roger's 'Modern Times Rock and Roll' is also very much in the same mold as Bowie's 'Hang Onto Yourself'. |
| Viper 14.01.2016 03:28 |
I find no resemblance... |
| The Fairy King 14.01.2016 03:45 |
You're right! |
| Cruella de Vil 14.01.2016 07:01 |
D'accord certainment! I always thought Roger had Zepplin's Rock 'n' Roll in the background, just faster. While I'm here, just consider how fast Roger pushed Stone Cold Crazy in the 1976-77 years. Coming off the swirly tape loop at the end of Prophet's song seemed to propel him into hyperdrive. Try Boston, Nagoya and Hyde Park from '76 and then of course Houston in '77. Sheer manic energy! |
| Sebastian 14.01.2016 07:19 |
Mike's piano on that track is just magnificent. And yeah, I agree about the guitar. |
| MackMantilla 14.01.2016 08:16 |
interesting |
| Viper 14.01.2016 08:48 |
Oh wait! I missread what you've wrote! I was hearing Aladdin Sane (the song)! Yes, Lady Grinning Soul's ending resembles Tenemunt Funster a little! |
| master marathon runner 14.01.2016 10:49 |
Well whaddya know, had the very album on my iPod dock at work this affa, (I've been playing Bowie exclusively since the news on Monday), and love LGS, perhaps it could have been in Roger's subconscious , who knows? |
| The Real Wizard 14.01.2016 13:12 |
CruellaDeVille wrote: just consider how fast Roger pushed Stone Cold Crazy in the 1976-77 years. Coming off the swirly tape loop at the end of Prophet's song seemed to propel him into hyperdrive.Indeed, the cocaine had nothing to do with it ;) |
| Oscar J 14.01.2016 13:24 |
Roger took coke back then? A lot? |
| dysan 14.01.2016 13:25 |
Yeah I mentioned MTRNR / HOTY a few weeks ago. If you listen to the Spiders rerecording of Holy Holy or The Supermen (from The Man Who Sold The World) you will hear Queen's sound being invented. |
| The Real Wizard 14.01.2016 17:28 |
dysan wrote: Yeah I mentioned MTRNR / HOTY a few weeks ago. If you listen to the Spiders rerecording of Holy Holy or The Supermen (from The Man Who Sold The World) you will hear Queen's sound being invented.Whoa, I'd never heard the later version of Holy Holy ! Wow. Indeed, you're right. The original version actually sounds more like The Kinks. But let's not discount Brian and Roger - much of the Queen sound was already there on the Smile songs in 1969. And I don't think Queen members have ever cited Bowie as an influence, have they? |
| master marathon runner 14.01.2016 18:43 |
In the 'pop mags' and the like, back in the seventies, Roger definitely cited Bowie, the Who and Hendrix , several times. |
| waunakonor 14.01.2016 18:53 |
I hear they were pretty heavily influenced by him in that one Hot Space song. |
| dysan 15.01.2016 02:44 |
Roger always tells the story of him and Freddie going to see Bowie in Aylesbury in '71, and him and Brian at imperial college in '72 and apparently pestered Mick Ronson about his guitar tone. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 15.01.2016 12:25 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Just gave Aladdin Sane (from 1973) a spin, to much delight as always. But something stood out to me this time - the last minute of Lady Grinning Soul is almost certainly a place where Queen found inspiration for the instrumental section of Tenement Funster on their next album. Bowie's influence is all over the rock music of the era, and here's a pretty clear spot where Queen liked what he was doing and made it theirs. You guys can (thin white) duke it out, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one.You are most probably right. Good one. Cheers, Ogre- |
| dysan 22.11.2016 09:58 |
Good enough place to put this: 'Machines' from The Works sounds nearly exactly like 'Machines' by Sailor (of 'Glass Of Champagne' fame) |
| musicland munich 22.11.2016 11:38 |
Bowie and Queen hung out together way before "Under Pressure" most people aren't aware of that ( not QZoners ). Unsure about the pre ANATO era, but since around then Bowie was allowed to hear Queen tracks before the release. It's "confirmed" that he listened to their "Jazz" Album before it was finished. |
| dysan 22.11.2016 13:50 |
They asked him to produce them when they were both at Trident in '73. |
| Sebastian 22.11.2016 17:19 |
dysan wrote: They asked him to produce them when they were both at Trident in '73.That myth's been debunked decades ago. |
| dysan 23.11.2016 08:31 |
How so? |
| Sebastian 23.11.2016 10:28 |
'In a recent internet interview, Bowie was asked if he had been influenced by Queen, to which he replied, "I doubt it, since Freddie asked me to produce his first album." "Certainly not!" Taylor exclaims. "But David was producing Lou at the time. We were taking the down-time. Literally, they'd be coming up the stairs and we'd be going down the stairs. David probably remembers it slightly differently, but I doubt he was being 100 per cent serious. Knowing David, very little he says is!"' Source |
| dysan 24.11.2016 01:20 |
With respect, that's hardly a debunking Sebastian. |
| Sebastian 24.11.2016 05:44 |
He said 'certainly not' and made it clear Bowie was not serious when making that remark. What else do you want? Should they resurrect David to take him to court and make a sworn statement? |
| dysan 24.11.2016 08:08 |
No, it's one word against another Sebastian. I'm sure it suited them to put that tale around when they were unknown, but then when Bowie (in 1999) was a bit of a joke, to distance themselves from him. |
| Sebastian 24.11.2016 10:42 |
If they were unknown, why on earth would Bowie remember them asking him to produce an album? Moreover, it wasn't them who spread that myth, it's people who've quote-mined that story and conveniently ignored the part where Roger clearly states that wasn't true. There've been loads of docos, interviews, etc., and not once has that been brought up by primary sources. You can see that myth accepted at face value in the odd website, some articles and perhaps even a book but, conspicuously, not on any book by anyone who was there or who had any direct contact with anyone who was there (for instance, an early book features either Barry Mitchell or Tim Staffell recalling how Fred used to conspire to accidentally-on-purpose bump into John Anthony, because he wanted him to produce them). It's far from being 'one word against another,' it's a 21st century story which was based on a third party claim about a third party claim, versus what someone said directly. You'd wonder why, in all those interviews, books, articles, etc., people such as Freddie, Roger, Brian, John, John Anthony, Roy Baker, Mike Stone, Barry Mitchell, etc., failed to mention the band asking Bowie if there was any shred of truth to it. All, and I do mean all (and if you prove me wrong I'll happy stand corrected, but until then, I'm waiting...) sources stating Queen or Freddie asked David to produce their first album (sometimes the story's mutated to claim it was the second) fail to have any support from a witness testimony, they only rely on each other as sources. And some of them are quite reputable, but they've failed to do what any good researcher should do: verify if the story is true or if they want it to be true because it makes for good press or because it pleases those who are fans of both acts (of which there are many) as they'd love to find more connexion than the already existing ones. And there are indeed plenty of Queen/Bowie connexions, but that's not one of them. That's but a baseless myth which has been debunked decades ago. |
| dysan 25.11.2016 02:30 |
^^ rattled |
| AlbaNo1 25.11.2016 15:26 |
There's an old filmed interview ,with Bob Harris I think, where Freddie claims to have "everything in the can" before Bowie , but could not get the music out due to lack of recording contract. |
| dysan 26.11.2016 09:26 |
Can is US slang for bottom. |
| AlbaNo1 26.11.2016 10:16 |
dysan wrote: Can is US slang for bottom.If I was to address you , in jest of course, as a fanny , what would that mean to you |