| earwig 22.11.2015 06:11 |
I just wondered if anyone has spotted any yet? For example, in the Rainbow DVD the very final shot of White Queen is different from old master. Obviously I realise that this release was one night so they can't 'fly in' stuff from a different night. But maybe there's the odd duplicated shot to cover a bad edit or bad choice of camera angle? It's a shame that the original master with Bob Harris in a white suit & top hat didn't make it (and that the final credits have been remade). I guess we should hang onto our recent BBC off-air recording then at least we'll have the Old Grey Whistle Test intro as per the original live transmission. If anyone from QUEEN PRODUCTIONS is reading this then can I say: GREAT JOB!! THANKS - LOOKS & SOUNDS BRILLIANT!! |
| lemonysnick123 22.11.2015 14:04 |
I noticed a small edit during March of the Black Queen, when Roger sings his part. They cut to him playing and singing really quickly, which I don't believe was in the original cut. I also noticed something interesting. During the Rock N Roll Medley, it seems they had to blur the old credits that were playing over the footage from the original broadcast. If you pay close enough attention, you can see the blurry lines moving up the frame. It starts near the end of the medley but isn't much of a problem or distraction. But it seems they did not have access to any of the original footage to avoid those original broadcast credits. |
| earwig 22.11.2015 14:06 |
Ah cool - thanks I'll check out the blurred credits… I imagine that, as it went out live, the original credits would be 'burnt in' to transmission recording? |
| lemonysnick123 22.11.2015 14:12 |
earwig wrote: Ah cool - thanks I'll check out the blurred credits… I imagine that, as it went out live, the original credits would be 'burnt in' to transmission recording?Well if they used tapes from the broadcast rather than the cameras themselves, then they probably would have those credits "burnt in". |
| MercurialFreddie 22.11.2015 14:47 |
So that note in the booklet "Clarity tape transfer" refers to the audio tapes ? |
| tomchristie22 22.11.2015 15:08 |
earwig wrote: For example, in the Rainbow DVD the very final shot of WhiteYeah - I'm fairly sure there were more new shot choices on the 2014 version than there were ones retained from the VHS version. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 23.11.2015 03:49 |
lemonysnick123 wrote:At that time it was quite usual not to load camera's with tapes hence it is a "live"broadcast.earwig wrote: Ah cool - thanks I'll check out the blurred credits… I imagine that, as it went out live, the original credits would be 'burnt in' to transmission recording?Well if they used tapes from the broadcast rather than the cameras themselves, then they probably would have those credits "burnt in". It was also directed on the fly , so only the directors tape machine was loaded, for further re-broadcasts. This also explains why the encores weren't recorded : perhaps they were filmed at the time but the tape recorder was turned off when the broadcast finished. Or they just stopped filming when the broadcast was over. The same reason for Knebworth : no tapes loaded because it was for the screens only. (of course Doro brought along a 16mm for their docu "Magic Years" The same for Blanckenberghe 1975 : it was broadcasted live but nothing is saved in the archive : no tapes loaded.... And in 1975 a VCR was a alien machine for the consumer market. |
| brians wig 23.11.2015 04:23 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: The same for Blanckenberghe 1975 : it was broadcasted live....Well, before folks start shouting "What???!!!!", Queen refused to play anyway apparantly, so.... It was the Golden Lion festival in Belgium. Q won an award. July I think. |
| Barry Durex 23.11.2015 04:40 |
brians wig wrote:Didn't they mime to Killer Queen?Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: The same for Blanckenberghe 1975 : it was broadcasted live....Well, before folks start shouting "What???!!!!", Queen refused to play anyway apparantly, so.... It was the Golden Lion festival in Belgium. Q won an award. July I think. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 23.11.2015 05:15 |
brians wig wrote:They did perform the mimed version of Killer Queen as stated by the promotor Ludo De Bruyn. At first there were some issues regarding their accomodation and perhaps some finacial issues as well, but in the end they went on stage.Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: The same for Blanckenberghe 1975 : it was broadcasted live....Well, before folks start shouting "What???!!!!", Queen refused to play anyway apparantly, so.... It was the Golden Lion festival in Belgium. Q won an award. July I think. The Festival der Gouden Leeuwen was a 2 day event first day national Belgian artists and the second day international artists. Like Queen and The Clash that august day in 1975. |
| que.123 30.11.2015 02:22 |
Right at the end of the 2009 BBC broadcast (when the picture freezes and changes to black and white) Freddie says "Merry Christmas" but this is cut on the new DVD and CD? It seems a strange editorial choice as other Christmas references are left in? I have an old unedited VHS (with a turning time clock on the top) and Freddie does indeed say "Merry Christmas" at that point. |
| pittrek 30.11.2015 04:12 |
Would anybody here be interested in a comparison video which would compare the full OGWT broadcast with the new version ? |
| que.123 30.11.2015 04:44 |
I would be interested in that but it seems like a lot of work, have you done it already? I think the fascination with this concert stems from the fact that has been edited so much over the years it's like trying to reconstruct a giant jigsaw puzzle! I was hoping that this new version would be complete and unedited but it's never that simple with Queen Productions! |
| Biggus Dickus 30.11.2015 04:59 |
In Liar where Freddie originally fucked up the line 'liar liar...' they showed a shot of him from behind instead from the front. That way they hide the fact that the vocal overdub wouldn't have fitted what Freddie was singing visually. |
| pittrek 30.11.2015 05:44 |
que.123 wrote: I would be interested in that but it seems like a lot of work, have you done it already? I think the fascination with this concert stems from the fact that has been edited so much over the years it's like trying to put back a jigsaw puzzle! I was hoping that this new version would be complete and unedited but it's never that simple with Queen Productions!I'll be definitely doing it for myself later this week, that's why I wanted to know if this kind of stuff is interesting for more people than just me. |
| que.123 30.11.2015 05:44 |
In the documentary it is said that the concert was broadcast live in stereo on Radio 1, however, as far as I know a stereo recording of the rock & roll medley in the original BBC mix has never emerged? Also during the Bob Harris intro he mentions "many people watching at home on television" but no mention of listening on the radio in stereo. The most damning piece of evidence is that the schedules for that day list the TV broadcast but not a radio broadcast? Radio 1 is listed "as Radio 2" and Radio 2 is broadcasting Johnny Mathis at the time? link Does anyone know for sure if the simulcast actually took place or is this just another Queen myth? |
| Nitroboy 30.11.2015 05:56 |
pittrek wrote: Would anybody here be interested in a comparison video which would compare the full OGWT broadcast with the new version ? Depending on the length of that, I would watch it :) |
| Oscar J 30.11.2015 07:18 |
Biggus Dickus wrote: In Liar where Freddie originally fucked up the line 'liar liar...' they showed a shot of him from behind instead from the front. That way they hide the fact that the vocal overdub wouldn't have fitted what Freddie was singing visually. Actually it was Roger missing a queue and "fucking it up". |
| Biggus Dickus 30.11.2015 07:40 |
Oscar J wrote:Biggus Dickus wrote: In Liar where Freddie originally fucked up the line 'liar liar...' they showed a shot of him from behind instead from the front. That way they hide the fact that the vocal overdub wouldn't have fitted what Freddie was singing visually.Actually it was Roger missing a queue and "fucking it up". Aah, thanks for the clarification. |
| earwig 30.11.2015 13:56 |
Definitely pittrek!! Thanks in advance |
| Mr.QueenFan 30.11.2015 15:08 |
pittrek wrote:In case you're doing it for yourself i would be interested in it too Pittrek.que.123 wrote: I would be interested in that but it seems like a lot of work, have you done it already? (...) .I'll be definitely doing it for myself later this week, that's why I wanted to know if this kind of stuff is interesting for more people than just me. |
| alberbal12 30.11.2015 16:12 |
Yes, pittrek, please!!! We want it! |
| dysan 01.12.2015 03:21 |
Yes I'd be keen to see a comparison! Perhaps the Radio recording was made for later broadcast and that fact is muddled as time has past. Any evidence for the first audio broadcast of the gig? And was it complete (IE Seven Seas Of Rhye etc) or did the bootlegs featuring those simply come from someone running off a copy of the master? |
| que.123 01.12.2015 04:42 |
Yes dysan I think it was recorded for later broadcast and unfortunately edited down for a 1 hour time slot so, therefore, it has never been complete. It was probably a good idea to replace the rock & roll medley with SSOR & SWAFIB as it gave the radio listener original Queen songs and something different to the TV broadcast - this is the version that was rebroadcast many times. I think that if there really had been a simulcast someone would have recorded it but as far as I know a stereo recording of the rock & roll medley in the original BBC mix has never seen the light of day, video recording equipment was rare in 1975 but audio recording equipment was commonplace. I believe the evidence points to the simulcast being a myth but I could be wrong, who am I to argue against Bob Harris, Brian May and Roger Taylor!!! |
| que.123 01.12.2015 11:15 |
Dysan to answer your question about the first broadcast, the first time I can actually find it on the Radio 1 schedule is 28th February 1976: link As you can see it's got a 1 hour time slot so it must have been edited, the whole show (including the Bob Harris intro) was approximately 1 hour 15 minutes. |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2015 14:02 |
que.123 wrote: Dysan to answer your question about the first broadcast, the first time I can actually find it on the Radio 1 schedule is 28th February 1976: linkI believe you are correct - it's not on the Radio 1 schedule for Dec 24. link Brian and Roger aren't scholars of their own history. Looks like you've got this one right. Thanks for digging up this important piece of the history ! Well done. |
| que.123 02.12.2015 19:38 |
Thank you for that Real Wizard, I didn't want to be right, a live simulcast would have been great. Like a lot of fans over the years I always wanted to replace the mono sound on the video with the original BBC stereo mix but I was never able to do it properly because of missing audio primarily the first encore. To be fair it is Bob Harris who says it was broadcast live in stereo on Radio 1 and Brian and Roger politely go along with it. Bob did introduce "the first rock music show on TV to have stereo sound on VHF radio" in 1974 so maybe he is getting confused with that (although this was a recorded not a live simulcast): link As you can see on the above link specific reference is made to the stereo sound as it was a big deal in those days but there is no such reference on the Queen TV listing below: link Even a recorded Queen simulcast would have been great but I don't think that happened either, no mention was made of stereo sound when it was repeated the following Christmas and it is not on the radio listings for that day: link |
| The Real Wizard 02.12.2015 23:00 |
Well done, detective. |
| pittrek 03.12.2015 05:49 |
I was always wondering why all the recordings of radio broadcasts are always edited, if it was broadcast live on radio in 1975, at least one recording should appear during the last 40 years |
| pittrek 03.12.2015 14:48 |
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| queenuruguay 04.12.2015 00:09 |
Pittrek, you've done an incredible job! Today I bought the original CD/DVD version that was released here in Argentina, and I really enjoyed the DVD, and the Cd is really great!. I hope these official releases go on next year with Hyde Park 1976 concert. It's a dream come true after all these years! Thanks QPL for this!!!!! Regards |
| que.123 04.12.2015 00:56 |
Thank you pittrek for your video comparison and your audio comparison in the other thread. |
| que.123 04.12.2015 01:45 |
lemonysnick123 wrote: I noticed a small edit during March of the Black Queen, when Roger sings his part. They cut to him playing and singing really quickly, which I don't believe was in the original cut.I think that bit comes from the end of Keep Yourself Alive, you can see what they are trying to achieve and it syncs in pretty well. However, if your going to fake it then why not use that rear view of John during his Leroy Brown bass solo (it looked fairly good on the WOWOW version) and there is a desperate need for some Brian during his White Queen guitar solo! I'm certainly not advocating that it should be faked I'm just saying if your going down that road, making up for the shortcomings of a live broadcast, you might as well go the whole hog or not bother at all. I would prefer it left untouched, the original OGWT video with an unedited original BBC stereo audio mix would probably be my ideal version. |