QueenZone discussion #1443083

dive2063 wrote: I think there were clues for HIV and not AIDS at that time.

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Some say this plaster shape stain in his neck is the evidence he knew he had at least HIV. I always have been told he knew he had HIV in late 84 early 85 I don;t know what to think.

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Some say this plaster shape stain in his neck is the evidence he knew he had at least HIV. I always have been told he knew he had HIV in late 84 early 85 I don;t know what to think.

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Some say this plaster shape stain in his neck is the evidence he knew he had at least HIV.

Biggus Dickus wrote:

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Some say this plaster shape stain in his neck is the evidence he knew he had at least HIV. I always have been told he knew he had HIV in late 84 early 85 I don;t know what to think.

I wonder what that is. Surely just a plaster wouldn't leave such a clear mark? I'm certain he knew by Magic Tour, it's not easy to determine how much earlier than that he knew. I seem to remember he didn't want to do Live Aid at first either, just like he didn't want to do Magic Tour initially. Maybe he already knew.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

Biggus Dickus wrote:

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Some say this plaster shape stain in his neck is the evidence he knew he had at least HIV. I always have been told he knew he had HIV in late 84 early 85 I don;t know what to think.

I wonder what that is. Surely just a plaster wouldn't leave such a clear mark? I'm certain he knew by Magic Tour, it's not easy to determine how much earlier than that he knew. I seem to remember he didn't want to do Live Aid at first either, just like he didn't want to do Magic Tour initially. Maybe he already knew.

There were plenty of non-AIDS related reasons why Queen were about to fall apart in '84/'85, so just because he didn't want to do Live Aid or the Magic Tour at first doesn't prove anything regarding AIDS.

Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Some say this plaster shape stain in his neck is the evidence he knew he had at least HIV. I always have been told he knew he had HIV in late 84 early 85 I don;t know what to think.

Nitroboy wrote: I'm sure this has been discussed before as well, but what about the mark on his right arm? link

Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Costa, why do you suggest 1979 to be the most probably year he was infected? I remember Mick Rock believing it was when he was partying in New York often - was that during 79? Also, do you believe it was Kenny Everett's Russian ex-lover that gave him it...or do you believe he was one of many?

Mark_Glasgow wrote: I would like to speculate that on 4th October 1985 Freddie took a shit. I'm basing this on the fact that there is no mention anywhere on the internet that he included bran or prunes in his daily diet and therefore was probably not eating enough fibre to shit on a daily basis. Therefore assuming he was only having a dump every other day, I have a 50% chance of being correct. Which is a fuck sight more realistic that 99% of the bullshit speculation contained in this thread to date. Comments? No? OK end of discussion :) Oh and just for the record, I think it was probably a man called Dave that infected him, based on the data that from the late 70s to early 80s, Dave was a common name, so I've still got more chance of being correct. The power of statistics vs the power of wild pointless speculation!

Costa86 wrote: What is all this bullshit? Sometimes I feel like some of these threads go round in circles repeating stuff we already discussed. He got to know he had HIV in 1985, which is the earliest he could have possibly known, because it was the year the first HIV test, ELISA, became available. In 1984 it was impossible for him to "know". All he could do in 1984 is suspect he might have it based on the reality of people who he had had sexual relations with succumbing to the disease. We have just gone through all this just a couple of weeks ago in another thread. Re when he developed AIDS, we knew for sure he was in the AIDS stage by September 1986, because of the KS lesion on his face when he went to Japan. It is unclear if he already had gone into the AIDS stage in 1985, but I highly doubt it. In 1985 there were virtually no treatments, so had he had already progressed into AIDS by 1985, I doubt he'd have been able to do the Magic Tour and other be till 1991. The main reason he made it to 1991 was that he started taking AZT in 1987 when he was officially diagnosed as having AIDS through a KS lesion biopsy. Another thing to keep in mind: Freddie's lifestyle was catching up with him. HIV was the worst thing he caught, but we can be fairly sure that along with that, by the mid-80s he had caught numerous other venereal diseases, such as CMV and herpes. All these would have caused various symptoms. The "growth" in his throat which Barbara Valentin mentioned in Lesley-Ann Jones' book was not necessarily an AIDS symptom, although he certainly did have HIV by then. Finally, here is a timeline for Freddie's infection: 1978-1981: infected with HIV. Most likely year is 1979. It is possible that after the initial infection, he was infected multiple times on different occasions. 1982: Freddie now knew about the dangers but did not change his lifestyle. 1984: likely that people Freddie knew started getting very sick. This is the year he started to get a clue that he might very well have HIV. 1985: diagnosed HIV positive, multiple times 1986: takes more tests, diagnosis is confirmed. AIDS defining illness (KS) apparent in photos, on his face. Press gets to know he is HIV+ 1987: KS biopsy diagnoses full blown AIDS. Starts taking AZT. Appearance not changed much - looks good, face is puffy. Late 1988: starts losing some weight, but not much at first. AZT working less well 1989: as happens with all patients, AZT has stopped working. Appearance changes rapidly. Health takes a huge nosedive. Very expensive treatment, and his will to live, keep him from slipping away. 1990: massive weight loss 1991: end stage AIDS