| Snackpot 27.10.2015 10:19 |
Not the sound, they kind of did a good job with the overdubs given the tiredness of Freddie's voice. They're noticeable but not egregious. No, I mean the visuals. The shot changes every three seconds, more frequently on some songs. Yes Brian, Roger and John all deserved to get in on the act and it wasn't the Freddie show but I can't help thinking that you have perhaps the world's greatest front man ever in front of 72,000 fans and ever two or three seconds we get a shot of Roger's back and side playing the drums. It's so frustrating. Even during Radio Ga Ga the camera moved about so much you couldn't even really tell if the audience were even doing the hand clap thing. Given that was arguably the most iconic 'live' song Queen had, certainly insofar as audience participation was concerned, it's as if they chose to ignore it on the basis that it'd be unfair if we don't see Brian for more than 4 seconds. You get dizzy watching it and they miss probably 80% of Freddie's performance and interaction with the crowd. |
| Costa86 27.10.2015 10:39 |
I agree. One of the part's where I think they could really have done a better job is the beginning, when Freddie first appears on stage just as One Vision starts. The crowd literally went mad with the cheering as soon as they saw Freddie, but somehow this didn't emerge well in the video. The enthusiam of the crowd just wasn't showcased to the full. They just showed one or two really brief and badly placed shots of the crowd raising their hands. |
| matt z 27.10.2015 11:27 |
Well. I'm not sure if this was the case overseas but in the USA the film was distributed by Hollywood Records and they enhanced some of the visuals with weird swirling visuals. In particular during Brian's IAKOM solo. Was this also done on overseas releases? |
| Bo Alex 27.10.2015 12:45 |
matt z wrote: Well. I'm not sure if this was the case overseas but in the USA the film was distributed by Hollywood Records and they enhanced some of the visuals with weird swirling visuals. In particular during Brian's IAKOM solo. Was this also done on overseas releases?I think that's the edit of the old VHS release. I had a pirate copy. |
| k-m 27.10.2015 13:06 |
Snackpot wrote: Not the sound, they kind of did a good job with the overdubs given the tiredness of Freddie's voice. They're noticeable but not egregious. No, I mean the visuals. The shot changes every three seconds, more frequently on some songs. Yes Brian, Roger and John all deserved to get in on the act and it wasn't the Freddie show but I can't help thinking that you have perhaps the world's greatest front man ever in front of 72,000 fans and ever two or three seconds we get a shot of Roger's back and side playing the drums. It's so frustrating. Even during Radio Ga Ga the camera moved about so much you couldn't even really tell if the audience were even doing the hand clap thing. Given that was arguably the most iconic 'live' song Queen had, certainly insofar as audience participation was concerned, it's as if they chose to ignore it on the basis that it'd be unfair if we don't see Brian for more than 4 seconds. You get dizzy watching it and they miss probably 80% of Freddie's performance and interaction with the crowd.Quite accurate apart from one detail. The audio sucked too. |
| JackTorrance 27.10.2015 13:42 |
Brian's guitar sounds too thin to me. Other concert-releases have a better and heavier guitar sound. I don't like Wembley. Queen's performance overall is OK, but it's one of the worst Magi Ctour shows. It's not because of Freddie's voice, Knebwordth has Freddie in even lesser vocal shape, but he is much better and the badn sounds mucht tighter. Maybe the nerves. Wembley (Friday) is just so much better than the Friday. For me, Live At The Bowl is by far the best official concert release from the 80's and 10 times better than Wembley Saturday. |
| Sue Dounim 27.10.2015 14:44 |
JackTorrance wrote: For me, Live At The Bowl is by far the best official concert release from the 80's and 10 times better than Wembley Saturday.I agree completely with this. I'd go so far as to say it's better than Rock Montreal as well. The setlist for that is devoid of all the songs unique to the Game tour and Freddie's pissed off. Back to Wembley, it's got it's problems but its still decent. It was good enough to make me want more live Queen stuff. If you wanna talk poor mixing look no further than Hungarian Rhapsody. All bass and it's dry as all get-out. |
| popy 27.10.2015 15:49 |
Snackpot wrote: Not the sound, they kind of did a good job with the overdubs given the tiredness of Freddie's voice. They're noticeable but not egregious. No, I mean the visuals. The shot changes every three seconds, more frequently on some songs. Yes Brian, Roger and John all deserved to get in on the act and it wasn't the Freddie show but I can't help thinking that you have perhaps the world's greatest front man ever in front of 72,000 fans and ever two or three seconds we get a shot of Roger's back and side playing the drums. It's so frustrating. Even during Radio Ga Ga the camera moved about so much you couldn't even really tell if the audience were even doing the hand clap thing. Given that was arguably the most iconic 'live' song Queen had, certainly insofar as audience participation was concerned, it's as if they chose to ignore it on the basis that it'd be unfair if we don't see Brian for more than 4 seconds. You get dizzy watching it and they miss probably 80% of Freddie's performance and interaction with the crowd.So go watch Live Aid. On it we only see Brian, Roger and John because they are close and in the same stage as Freddie. If Freddie was in a corner and the band on the other corner, we might not even have video footage of the rest of the band besides Freddie. What i don't like about Wembley is the lack of a camera filming when Freddie and Brian go to the front of the stage and the only angles we get are from behind them or from the sides, rarely we get front angle shots. Because of that lack of a front camera, Gavin Taylor completly misses Brian TYMD or Boh Rhap solos for example, only managing to get side cameras to film it. |
| winterspelt 27.10.2015 22:16 |
JackTorrance wrote: Brian's guitar sounds too thin to me. Other concert-releases have a better and heavier guitar sound.Brian didnt used his regular rig, that's why the guitar sound is so different. matt z wrote: Well. I'm not sure if this was the case overseas but in the USA the film was distributed by Hollywood Records and they enhanced some of the visuals with weird swirling visuals. In particular during Brian's IAKOM solo. Was this also done on overseas releases?I remember them, they were awful! That "enhancement" (?) was done only on the VHS. They removed those effects in the DVD release. |
| Biggus Dickus 28.10.2015 00:49 |
winterspelt wrote:Haha I remember those horrendous visual effects as well as the slowed down bits from that old VHS version I used to watch as a kid. Also the bloody VHS wasn't the full show. Of course I didn't know that at that time.JackTorrance wrote: Brian's guitar sounds too thin to me. Other concert-releases have a better and heavier guitar sound.Brian didnt used his regular rig, that's why the guitar sound is so different.matt z wrote: Well. I'm not sure if this was the case overseas but in the USA the film was distributed by Hollywood Records and they enhanced some of the visuals with weird swirling visuals. In particular during Brian's IAKOM solo. Was this also done on overseas releases?I remember them, they were awful! That "enhancement" (?) was done only on the VHS. They removed those effects in the DVD release. |
| liam 28.10.2015 04:37 |
However, it is much better than new concert releases. I can't believe how fast the editing is on new releases. |
| Biggus Dickus 28.10.2015 07:05 |
liam wrote: However, it is much better than new concert releases. I can't believe how fast the editing is on new releases.^^ Yeah some new releases can be epilepsy inducing. One of the worst is Death On The Road by Iron Maiden. I've never had a problem with Wembley's editing, it's not too fast for me. I much more dislike stuff like Earls Court 1977, the editing is so slow and boring and the camera angles aren't that good. |
| Tlr 28.10.2015 09:28 |
Seems to be a thing with Queen productions. Just about everything every documentary is a series of three second clips spliced together. It was particularly bad in the DoRo stuff but persists today. What's wrong with having the same person on screen for a few minutes, relaying an anecdote un interrupted?! |
| thomasquinn 32989 28.10.2015 09:51 |
Tlr wrote: Seems to be a thing with Queen productions. Just about everything every documentary is a series of three second clips spliced together. It was particularly bad in the DoRo stuff but persists today. What's wrong with having the same person on screen for a few minutes, relaying an anecdote un interrupted?!It should be noted that DoRo only do that kind of thing in their work with Queen - their work for other artists is of much higher quality. Which begs the question - is Queen / their management responsible for those dodgy calls? |
| *goodco* 28.10.2015 10:24 |
Most (all?) concert videos seem to be directed by those with the attention span of a squirrel. Or they are unfamiliar with the song, and are obsessed as to whether band members had a manicure that day. Most BoRhap live vids stink. With all the mood lighting that took place during the song, let's just show Freddie's face. Let's show just John after the band reappears on stage. And then show Freddie sweating. Wembley's 'Radio' could have been terrific. On and on....... I recently tried to watch a Dream Theater concert that was a present. Superb musicians. Some very good lighting. Who do I focus on at various moments, or view all four? Nope, gotta see if Rudess' or Petrucci's finger nails are clean. |
| Tlr 28.10.2015 11:48 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:I'm not aware that I have ever seen anything by DoRo that wasn't Queen related so I would guess based on what you said that it's a Queen decision as even the Days of Our Lives doc suffered from it.Tlr wrote: Seems to be a thing with Queen productions. Just about everything every documentary is a series of three second clips spliced together. It was particularly bad in the DoRo stuff but persists today. What's wrong with having the same person on screen for a few minutes, relaying an anecdote un interrupted?!It should be noted that DoRo only do that kind of thing in their work with Queen - their work for other artists is of much higher quality. Which begs the question - is Queen / their management responsible for those dodgy calls? Interesting though that the most moving bit of that, for me, was Brian telling the story of Madison Square Gardens which was presented in a more cohesive way. |
| Nitroboy 28.10.2015 13:02 |
I take comfort in the fact that I've seen much worse editing on other releases (not Queen related). |
| Bad Seed 28.10.2015 13:29 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Dodgy calls? Or is it because Queen are tight as f*** with money?Tlr wrote: Seems to be a thing with Queen productions. Just about everything every documentary is a series of three second clips spliced together. It was particularly bad in the DoRo stuff but persists today. What's wrong with having the same person on screen for a few minutes, relaying an anecdote un interrupted?!It should be noted that DoRo only do that kind of thing in their work with Queen - their work for other artists is of much higher quality. Which begs the question - is Queen / their management responsible for those dodgy calls? |
| bodwinnumber2 29.10.2015 07:53 |
I think (in the case of concert recordings) it stems from the fact that the cameras run at a different speed to the sound recording (multitracks) so if the visuals were to run for, let's say more than 30secs at a time for arguments sake, the visual would then be out of phase with the sound ie. they would not be running in sync. I believe this was mentioned in the director's commentary in the re-release of the 'We Will Rock You' DVD in the US (the original Live In Montreal release). |
| dysan 29.10.2015 08:21 |
DoRo directed a Bowie concert film called Ov Vey Baby (with Tin Machine) in 1991. It's very of it's time shall we say, but nothing too bad - only a couple of give away filler shots taken from different parts of the concert. The DoRo Queen work (the I Want It All intro on Rare Live, or those montage clips on Magic Years where it's all synced up to look like they're playing the song) was pretty cool at the time. I never had a problem with it. Some of it is still cool and has been copied by the more recent documentaries. |