| TomP63 26.10.2015 05:48 |
I found this link which was posted on the QueenOnline forum. Any thought, is this a fan made version. Do I hear Freddie sings new lines, or is it just my imagination? Anyway, here is the link: link ... s-gold-mix Tom |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 26.10.2015 06:07 |
I liked that ! |
| antiden 26.10.2015 06:13 |
Looks like fake, but I really liked 'The Miracle'-style sound on this version! |
| TomP63 26.10.2015 06:18 |
@Antiden, it's not fake, how could it be fake? It is Freddie and Michael, my question is, is this a fan made mix, and does Freddie sing some different lines? Also I doubt it is Brian on guitar I hear, but then again, I could be misstaken. BTW: this what the original poster has posted:Queen & Michael Jackson. Is this for real. Found it on a USB stick on the sidewalk. Sounds real to me. That I found unbelievable, on an USB stick on the sidewalk........ Tom |
| Lplix 26.10.2015 06:21 |
wow, i can't understand. i had to listen the track on pc analyzing the spectrum, but for now i don't ear a manipulation to the well known demo of the song, the voice seems so clear... thanks for this track Tom....and thanks to Klaus too |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 26.10.2015 07:05 |
Goes to show you that, short of anything else, real or fan made, what an absolute abomination the Orbit mix of this song is... |
| cmsdrums 26.10.2015 08:04 |
The guitar is Brian's sound, but not his playing style in subtle ways. Definitely Freddie - and most likely Michael (I'm not familiar with how good any of his imposters are). Interestingly different words here and there, but I'm not familiar enough with the original leaked demos to know if those are from there, or pasted from other Freddie tracks, or simply genuine alternate takes of this track. As stated above, shows what a mess Orbit made of it with the mix we got. |
| TomP63 26.10.2015 08:10 |
@cmsdrums, so I gather that you also hear Freddie sing some different lyrics then? Tom |
| MercurialFreddie 26.10.2015 08:12 |
Freddie sings "I live in hope for a world full of !!joy!!" - It wasn't on the Orbit mix or the 85' one. Their voices are so clear, thanks very much for this. |
| matt z 26.10.2015 08:22 |
Interesting unique mix. Better than the official release But where's the download link? What if this is taken down? UPDATE: durr. I'm on a mobile device. Didn't see it required registration. Thanks for the share. Given this simple orchestration AND Brian + Roger's new takes it truly makes William Orbit's mix sound like a further piece of shit. Even just the levels. The panning ... the selections ... the fades ... the selected verses ... the. ... oh well. .. you all know he really FUCKED up a potential hit and cash grab (*at the least; as band's are usually concerned with things like being current on the charts oh.... and money) God. Doesn't appear to come from those leaked live takes unless someone from ILM got a hold of it and created words and phrasing that were not there on the leaked versions. Joy and hate are unique at the very least. I wouldn't be surprised if these were intended as studio takes whereas the other versions were structural rough mixes |
| brunogorski 26.10.2015 09:13 |
Wow. That's cool. WTF! |
| antiden 26.10.2015 09:39 |
So maybe it's an intentional leak of the unreleased Queen mix?? |
| BETA215 26.10.2015 09:47 |
Here's a link for all the leaked versions of this song (and the famous Fred & Michael fanmix): link |
| Barry Durex 26.10.2015 10:01 |
Nice |
| Mr.QueenFan 26.10.2015 10:53 |
Can someone download that audio before it's taken down and post it here? Thank you. The voices sound so clear! |
| zippo112 26.10.2015 11:08 |
i made a video for it...hope you guys like it link |
| BETA215 26.10.2015 11:19 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote: Can someone download that audio before it's taken down and post it here? Thank you. The voices sound so clear! It's in the MEGA link I posted. |
| Lplix 26.10.2015 11:20 |
zippo112 wrote: i made a video for it...hope you guys like it linkgreat job Zippo, faster than light ! I like it. |
| Lplix 26.10.2015 11:25 |
BETA215 wrote: Here's a link for all the leaked versions of this song (and the famous Fred & Michael fanmix): linkplease, can you tell me how many versions of this song was leaked. I know only two (Michael singing with the piano base amd the mix that is also on the cd that contain suncity concert). i have no access to mega.nz from Italy thanks |
| Riku M 26.10.2015 11:51 |
antiden wrote: So maybe it's an intentional leak of the unreleased Queen mix??The same thing crossed my mind. That would be brilliant if the guys decided to leak it to get the better version out. |
| BETA215 26.10.2015 12:09 |
Lplix wrote:BETA215 wrote: Here's a link for all the leaked versions of this song (and the famous Fred & Michael fanmix): linkplease, can you tell me how many versions of this song was leaked. I know only two (Michael singing with the piano base amd the mix that is also on the cd that contain suncity concert). i have no access to mega.nz from Italy thanks This are all the versions that exists: Mr. Bad Guy version Piano outtake (from The Solo Collection) Michael only version (with a piano in the background) FM&MJ famous remix uploaded to YouTube, which you can find in lots of bootlegs Forever remix Gold Mix |
| musicland munich 26.10.2015 12:24 |
I have listen now a few times on my Sennheiser Headphones. The question is...are the manipulations made by a person who was originally responsible/ hired for that, or is it doctored by a fan/ attention seeker with professional equipment on hands. |
| Mr. Bulsara 26.10.2015 12:33 |
I love it. The voices are so clear... If anyone could make the queen Queen version with this version, it would be the ultimate version |
| MercurialFreddie 26.10.2015 12:41 |
@BETA215 We can add both Hot Space and The Works versions (Queen demos) to this list. |
| Vali 26.10.2015 13:12 |
Shame on you Mr. Orbit !! Thanks for the Mega link, Beta ! |
| dastard 26.10.2015 13:23 |
HERE is the direct mp3 download link link |
| Vali 26.10.2015 14:54 |
QueenRomania just assembled a really nice looking video for this mix https://youtu.be/ATybK1W892U |
| Hangman_96 26.10.2015 15:16 |
Deffo interesting. Can anyone shed some light on it? |
| Mr.QueenFan 26.10.2015 15:29 |
BETA215 wrote:Tank you BETA :-)Mr.QueenFan wrote: Can someone download that audio before it's taken down and post it here? Thank you. The voices sound so clear!It's in the MEGA link I posted. |
| Chief Mouse 26.10.2015 16:25 |
Great find! It seems to be a completely unheard vocal take of Freddie. MJ vocal is also definitely genuine, although nothing new as far as unheard takes I think. I like it. |
| matt z 26.10.2015 17:40 |
Only one gripe with the Queen Romania video. .. Well two. Could've used the video from MJ and Siedah Garrett on BAD 25 doing I just can't stop loving you for the impassioned part. But mainly.... should've left Freddie's entire quote at the end. ... "Just think of the royalties! " |
| hobbit in Rhye 26.10.2015 17:48 |
Thank you TomP63 and Beta for the interesting find. Good clean crispy mix. It's so different it totally feels like an other song ^^ |
| matt z 26.10.2015 18:55 |
Chief Mouse wrote: Great find! It seems to be a completely unheard vocal take of Freddie. MJ vocal is also definitely genuine, although nothing new as far as unheard takes I think. I like it.These sound like near final mixes. MJ mistakenly says "C'est La Vie" as "Say la veev" in the others. In this vocal take it's clearly different and without as much ferocity (likely competing with Freddie's delivery which eventually would show on Mr. Bad Guy" This sounds like a deliberate vocal take for a studio recording. All we'd probably heard before was probably the jam sketches. Even restrained it sounds far better than that amateurish hack job orbit did |
| musicland munich 27.10.2015 00:51 |
Actually I had the plan to contact that guy. Sounds like a German countryman at first, but then I 've noticed that a ) It could be a "fake" german name. "Zimmerma(n)" would be the english / american version of "Zimmerma(nn)" b) Two of you wankers are on the hunt for informations already I guess :) |
| stevelondon20 27.10.2015 02:16 |
I like this version. It starts off like a Pet Shop Boys song, and then just sails into a great clean mix. |
| Bohardy 27.10.2015 03:30 |
matt z wrote:Other way round Matt. On this take he correctly says 'Vie', whereas on the others he seems to say 'Vive'.Chief Mouse wrote: Great find! It seems to be a completely unheard vocal take of Freddie. MJ vocal is also definitely genuine, although nothing new as far as unheard takes I think. I like it.These sound like near final mixes. MJ mistakenly says "C'est La Vie" as "Say la veev" in the others. In this vocal take it's clearly different and without as much ferocity (likely competing with Freddie's delivery which eventually would show on Mr. Bad Guy" This sounds like a deliberate vocal take for a studio recording. All we'd probably heard before was probably the jam sketches. Even restrained it sounds far better than that amateurish hack job orbit did Still, you're spot-on with everythig else you said. What an interesting curio this is. Of course, the 'found this on a USB stick on the sidewalk' is bound to be utter nonsense. This has to be a leak of some sort. The FM and MJ tracks are obviously different to what's been released, and are obviously genuine. But the production, or at least the arrangement, sounds slightly amateur. And the guitar, as somebody else said, appears to be somebody doing a not quite convincing enough impression of Bri. So things don't quite fully add up. Perhaps somebody connected to the crew was so pissed off with Orbit's lame mix that they grabbed some vocal tracks and came up with their own quick attempt at a Queenified version? |
| gooddrills 27.10.2015 04:11 |
I really like this, it's head and shoulders above the awful Orbit mix. I would have been relatively happy if they had released this, it works. The Orbit mix just made me cringe, it was entirely embarrassing. This sounds like a proper duet. If they had vocals like this to work with how on earth did they get it so, so wrong? |
| Mr.QueenFan 27.10.2015 07:18 |
gooddrills wrote: If they had vocals like this to work with how on earth did they get it so, so wrong?Because according to Brian and Roger, the Orbit mix was the only mix the Michael Jackson estate would aprove. And Brian and Roger weren't happy about this, so i take that the only reason they compromised like this was because contracts were already in place and they needed this song for the "Forever" collection. |
| dsmeer 27.10.2015 07:59 |
Would the MJ estate have picked the same song if they would have released an album at the same time? Or do they not want to have a great product on an none MJ album? |
| matt z 27.10.2015 08:34 |
^ BoHardy. That's exactly what I said. In the other versions that were leaked it was "veev" in this it's "vie". You just reiterated what I'd said. Maybe a slight case of being misread. Whatever the case it's great to hear |
| brunogorski 27.10.2015 09:56 |
Rog: Bri, we should do it. Bri: Yep. Agreed. LEAK THE FUCKING BETTER VERSION. Who cares about Orbit's mix. Rog: YAY! *high five* link |
| Double-U 27.10.2015 10:00 |
Absolutely great to hear and for 3 minutes it doesn't care if it's real or not! Thanks for bringing this up. regards, W. |
| matt z 27.10.2015 11:29 |
I've shared this link on social media, but surprisingly amongst 12 people it hasn't expanded exponentially! ! Too bad I'm not a social network whore. This should be news. At least trending for a minute |
| Oscar J 27.10.2015 11:46 |
I'm pretty certain that the guitars are Brian's as well. It's just that they sound more like backing guitars, for a soaring guitar solo that for one reason or another isn't present. |
| Oscar J 27.10.2015 11:46 |
I'm pretty certain that the guitars are Brian's as well. It's just that they sound more like backing guitars, for a soaring guitar solo that for one reason or another isn't present. |
| brunogorski 27.10.2015 13:03 |
What a mistery! |
| Mr.QueenFan 27.10.2015 13:11 |
dsmeer wrote: Would the MJ estate have picked the same song if they would have released an album at the same time? Or do they not want to have a great product on an none MJ album?They couldn't care less about quality or music! Just read the controversy on the MJ posthumous album "Michael" on wikipedia and you'll understand why. |
| matt z 27.10.2015 13:20 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:Yep. It was a terrible project. Given how several REAL songs were rejected beforehand (*a few were subsequently leaked) it's pretty embarrassing how bad it all turned out.dsmeer wrote: Would the MJ estate have picked the same song if they would have released an album at the same time? Or do they not want to have a great product on an none MJ album?They couldn't care less about quality or music! Just read the controversy on the MJ posthumous album "Michael" on wikipedia and you'll understand why. Particularly the first single. Michael never referred to himself in the third person. The cut and paste jobs of the others were pretty horrible too. (*and not Michael on verses like "KEEP YOUR HEAD UP") ... drowsy dull delivery. Just garbage. |
| dsmeer 27.10.2015 13:43 |
Okay, sorry guys I do not follow any news of MJ. I just through they they maybe would try to keep a beter version for a new MJ album. |
| MrFunster 27.10.2015 14:28 |
The best version of Freddie Mercury and Mickey Mouse. I think i love it.... |
| Bohardy 27.10.2015 15:40 |
matt z wrote: ^ BoHardy. That's exactly what I said. In the other versions that were leaked it was "veev" in this it's "vie". You just reiterated what I'd said. Maybe a slight case of being misread. Whatever the case it's great to hearSorry Matt. I didn't read your post closely enough. You're absolutely right. I'm just glad somebody else picked up on that. It's always bugged the hell of out of me that he says "vive" and not "vie", but until now it's never come up! |
| matt z 27.10.2015 19:27 |
Bohardy wrote:Yeah. And according to accounts, Quincy Jones whileworkingon the album soundtrack THE WIZ had overheard Michael pronounce Socrates as something like soh crates or something like that. That initial discussion gave Quincy the nerve to bug him about producing (a POP star) albummatt z wrote: ^ BoHardy. That's exactly what I said. In the other versions that were leaked it was "veev" in this it's "vie". You just reiterated what I'd said. Maybe a slight case of being misread. Whatever the case it's great to hearSorry Matt. I didn't read your post closely enough. You're absolutely right. I'm just glad somebody else picked up on that. It's always bugged the hell of out of me that he says "vive" and not "vie", but until now it's never come up! |
| gooddrills 28.10.2015 03:11 |
I would love to hear Brian and Roger comment on this. This just frustrates me |
| Marknow 28.10.2015 07:04 |
Mr.QueenFan wrote:dsmeer wrote: Would the MJ estate have picked the same song if they would have released an album at the same time? Or do they not want to have a great product on an none MJ album?They couldn't care less about quality or music! Just read the controversy on the MJ posthumous album "Michael" on wikipedia and you'll understand why. With that considered the fact remains that the Jacksons did veto a version of TMBMTLTT that Roger was pretty vocal about preferring to the version they were 'allowed' to release. Wouldn't it be cool if this version was the template for the unheard official version... Somebody mail Brian and see if he bites on his soapbox. |
| Marknow 28.10.2015 07:06 |
I'd love if this was leaked from the Queen camp, found on a usb on the street? My arse.... |
| Martin Packer 28.10.2015 09:16 |
"Soh crates" is how it's pronounced in "Bill & Ted's" BTW. :-) |
| Chief Mouse 28.10.2015 09:26 |
matt z wrote: Yeah. And according to accounts, Quincy Jones whileworkingon the album soundtrack THE WIZ had overheard Michael pronounce Socrates as something like soh crates or something like that. That initial discussion gave Quincy the nerve to bug him about producing (a POP star) album Martin Packer wrote: "Soh crates" is how it's pronounced in "Bill & Ted's" BTW. :-) https://youtu.be/uqxt0saFylM?t=9m16s . |
| Tlr 28.10.2015 09:52 |
I love that. "Found the on the sidewalk" eh? Presumably it never touched the road |
| matt z 28.10.2015 12:36 |
link ^an account of the Socrates thing. He was an insulated youth, insulated young adult and an insulated man. Yeah. I remember Bill & Ted's excellent adventure. Something about Bee'thuvvin. And Socrates with the analogy "dust in the wind" |
| MercurialFreddie 28.10.2015 15:30 |
The usb stick was sleeping on a sidewalk.... 'nuff said. |
| pittrek 28.10.2015 15:37 |
Wow, you guys really like this remix ? |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 28.10.2015 17:26 |
pittrek wrote: Wow, you guys really like this remix ?Not a matter or really loving this mix, but more so that they had those crystal clear vocal tracks to work with, and all that was released was that terrible orbit mix. With a little work, that track could be very well done. That this fan mix blows away what was released is a shame. |
| Vali 29.10.2015 11:36 |
yep, Peter, it's not a matter of wether we like or not this mix; it's just that it works 10.000 times better than the Orbit crap that sadly was officially released. is it just a fan mix? perhaps. is it just the rough demo that became Brian & Roger's version? yeah, why not the thing is that, as a duet, it works perfectly well and, when listening, it makes you feel the (good) way a duet between two of the most iconic stars in pop/rock history should make you feel. |
| rocknrolllover 29.10.2015 12:50 |
Vali wrote: yep, Peter, it's not a matter of wether we like or not this mix; it's just that it works 10.000 times better than the Orbit crap that sadly was officially released. is it just a fan mix? perhaps. is it just the rough demo that became Brian & Roger's version? yeah, why not the thing is that, as a duet, it works perfectly well and, when listening, it makes you feel feel the (good) way a duet between two of the most iconic stars in pop/rock history should make you feel.Completely agree |
| rocknrolllover 29.10.2015 12:51 |
QVali wrote: yep, Peter, it's not a matter of wether we like or not this mix; it's just that it works 10.000 times better than the Orbit crap that sadly was officially released. is it just a fan mix? perhaps. is it just the rough demo that became Brian & Roger's version? yeah, why not the thing is that, as a duet, it works perfectly well and, when listening, it makes you feel feel the (good) way a duet between two of the most iconic stars in pop/rock history should make you feel.I did notice that pittrek doesnt like every stuff |
| Vali 29.10.2015 14:29 |
rocknrolllover wrote: I did notice that pittrek doesnt like every stuffWell, he hasn't to! Me neither! |
| matt z 30.10.2015 08:26 |
What Vali and Haystacks said. It looks like a valid DUET and not just a case of having tossed an idea around but never having touched it. It's sad if the MJ estate had ulterior motives for releasing that POS (*this is an acronym which stands for PIECE OF SHIT) orbit version. But stranger things have happened. Like Michael's autopsy report bearing no signs of continued drug abuse. (Liver/kidney/brain damage) and the issues Michael had with releasing INVINCIBLE in the USA. (Sony + Mottola's vested interest in acquiring his percentage of the Sony ATV catalogue/Michael's being represented by conflict of interest lawyers which prevented his work masters from being reverted to him in his lifetime) ; his subsequent earnings valued in the hundreds of millions just by sitting on them. . Anyways that's another topic The track sounds more complete oddly enough without the bells and whistles. I know home pro audio stuff is getting more and more sophisticated but it almost sounds as if the instrumentation here on the "GOLD (*GOOD) MIX" was done with keyboards of the era AND a newly recorded string arrangement. Maybe this is a deliberate "gold" (good) mix release or maybe it's one of those theft files from the alleged SONY infiltration prior to that comedy about north Korea. I'm still curious about it. Particularly the part where seemingly no one cares |
| badboybez 30.10.2015 11:28 |
WOW |
| brunogorski 30.10.2015 17:17 |
matt z wrote: I'm still curious about it. Particularly the part where seemingly no one cares2 |
| matt z 30.10.2015 19:08 |
brunogorski wrote:Well. It WAS kind of a HUGE deal when the then three tracks were announced. Then the release came much later and no one seemed (*media wise) to give a crap anymorematt z wrote: I'm still curious about it. Particularly the part where seemingly no one cares2 |
| MercurialFreddie 31.10.2015 09:29 |
Where is Greg Brooks with his "property of Queen Productions" when you need him..... |
| Jam Monkey 31.10.2015 14:40 |
I also think this is the real Freddie and Michael, but I also think it's a fan mix. There is one line from Freddie "I live in hope for a world filled with joy" at around 48 seconds. This line isn't in any version of this track that has surfaced, but the word "joy" sounds badly tacked on to me. I am sure Freddie must have sung the word joy in at least one song for someone to paste into this mix. The only question I have is, where did the isolated vocals come from? |
| matt z 31.10.2015 20:16 |
Doesn't sound tacked/spliced in to me. Same with finding Michael singing "Vie" instead of Veev. They're authentic different takes. |
| MercurialFreddie 01.11.2015 07:11 |
If the song was really worked on during FM/MJ sessions, Hot Space sessions, The Works sessions and Mr Bad Guy sessions then there are probably many vocal takes to choose from. In my opinion, many of Freddie's takes on the Gold mix and Forever mix are taken from the Hot Space sessions as Freddie's voice here is very soulful and it doesn't sound so rough as on the Works and Mr Bad Guy album. I agree with Matt that these takes are authentic. With this song, Queen could win the Guinness record for the song which has been worked on a very long time. |
| Ale Solan 01.11.2015 17:48 |
pittrek wrote: Wow, you guys really like this remix ? I wouldn't call this a "remix" and the Forever version is utter shite! |
| MercurialFreddie 02.11.2015 11:23 |
Can't agree more with you, Ale. I was impatiently awaiting Queen version and then on Chris Evans show they presented something which was wayyyy worse than Freddie's solo version. I was angry as I think that TMBMTLTT is one of the best songs on Freddie's solo album. They have so much vocal takes of it (see my above post) and that's what we've ended up with ? I was let down... We were let down. With those takes they could make an excellent Queen-only version... Did they really need Michael on it ?..... Maybe it sounds like a conspiracy theory but what if Queen did this only to obtain the tapes from FM/MJ sessions (assuming they were copied by QProd.).... :) :) |
| cmsdrums 02.11.2015 12:48 |
As it's a Freddie solo track I think they should have just told the MJ Estate to £&@? off, then just released a proper Queen only version. God knows why they chased the Jackson $ when it was such a poor version, promoted so poorly, that it sank without a trace anyway. |
| matt z 03.11.2015 00:39 |
cmsdrums wrote: As it's a Freddie solo track I think they should have just told the MJ Estate to £&@? off, then just released a proper Queen only version. God knows why they chased the Jackson $ when it was such a poor version, promoted so poorly, that it sank without a trace anyway.You're forgetting that they were PEERS at the time. One risen high and another (MJ) continually rising higher. Both productions would have been wise to release it to equal rapture but you know how lawyers complicit in an artists' death can be. ... .... very high and mighty and shallow Even with a band called QUEEN |
| The Real Wizard 04.11.2015 16:09 |
Fascinating. Is this just a fan mix, or is there more than meets the eye? Either way, it slays the Orbit version. |
| Oscar J 04.11.2015 16:15 |
I'm pretty sure it's impossible isolating the vocals that well without access to the actual tracks. |
| gooddrills 12.11.2015 17:59 |
Was there ever any comment from the official Queen camp on this? I still want to know more about it, not just speculation. It's fascinating. This would have been a nice addition to the Balads album. I still cannot believe they released the dreadful Orbit version, it is easily the most embarrassing thing they have released to date. |
| people on streets 15.11.2015 10:10 |
Just hearing this now. Fascinating. Great vocals. Wonder where this came from... |
| GreatKingSam 16.11.2015 14:11 |
Just throwing it out there - I've just done a quick bit of back and forth between MJ's vocals in this new version (particularly "c'est la vie" and the lead-up to it) and the piano version... I wonder if these are the same vocals from MJ, just miraculously cleaned up (somehow!), and the "c'est la vive" has been tidied to sound correct. The phrasing of all the words seem the same to me. Even though the enunciation of certain words (particularly the F in "fighting" and the way he sings "rights") is much more buried in the piano version, the flow seem remarkably similar. Either way, what a curious find this is! |
| matt z 24.11.2015 08:12 |
^I doubt it. Re editing a DELIVERY would be damn near impossible (AFAIK) Michael's delivery is much softer and he doesn't mispronounce C'est la vie in this mix. It's a different take. The one we're accustomed to hearing is a live rush take with both. I'm surprised there's still no word on it in either the media or from the band camp |
| Sheldon 24.11.2015 08:20 |
Wasn't it reported around 1996 that John Deacon had made a remix of this song? He would certainly have had access to all the tapes, which would explain the parts that have not been heard before. |
| MercurialFreddie 25.11.2015 10:50 |
Yes, but if I remember correctly Brian stated that there was no guitar on this track even when it was worked on during The Works sessions so... |
| gooddrills 28.11.2015 12:47 |
I would quite like to hear these vocals put to the music from the Orbit version with the original backing track. Anyone on here got the skills to do something like that? |
| escapist 06.12.2015 15:03 |
I had a go at mixing this version with the Orbit version, and the piano take from the Freddie box. I also re-did the drums using available stems (so it's still Roger playing!). It's not perfect and could do with some tweaking here and there to get the vocals tightened to the backing. The guitar solo is interesting combined - link |
