QueenZone discussion #1440867

British Man wrote: I think The Miracle. Put Delilah on it and WIAWI onto Innuendo and then The Miracle in the recycling bin and there you have it... A masterpiece. Other than WIAWI, I think it's all just commercial crap and unneccesary songs. How did they think Baby Does Me or Party was a good idea?

master marathon runner wrote: Live magic, as discussed here last week. That was the big boobie.

British Man wrote: I think The Miracle. Put Delilah on it and WIAWI onto Innuendo and then The Miracle in the recycling bin and there you have it... A masterpiece. Other than WIAWI, I think it's all just commercial crap and unneccesary songs. How did they think Baby Does Me or Party was a good idea?

British Man wrote:

British Man wrote: I think The Miracle. Put Delilah on it and WIAWI onto Innuendo and then The Miracle in the recycling bin and there you have it... A masterpiece. Other than WIAWI, I think it's all just commercial crap and unneccesary songs. How did they think Baby Does Me or Party was a good idea?

Let's look at this album in depth. Party- 4/10 Unneccesary Filler Khashoggi's Ship- 6/10 Not bad Filler The Miracle- 6/10 Not bad Filler I Want It All- 8/10 Way too much airplay. The Invisible Man- 7/10 Not bad. Breakthru- 5/10 Weak filler Rain Must Fall- 5/10 Weak filler Scandal- 6/10 Mediocre My Baby Does Me- 3/10. Was It All Worth It- 10/10 masterpiece. Hang On In There- 5/10 Mediocre Chinese Torture- 7/10 When a short instrumental track is one of the highlights of the album, that's maybe a sign of failure.

antiden wrote: Hiring Jim Beach and Paul Prenter were the biggest mistakes in their career.

stevelondon20 wrote: Paul Prenter was a cunt, but Jim weren't that bad really was he?

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: The biggest mistake was undoubtedly Sun City - that nearly destroyed Queen. Letting themselves be used as tools for apartheid-propaganda was disgusting and insanely stupid.

Doga wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: The biggest mistake was undoubtedly Sun City - that nearly destroyed Queen. Letting themselves be used as tools for apartheid-propaganda was disgusting and insanely stupid.

I don't see why. They played in Argentina, where the goverment killed thousands of people in cold blood, and people didn't make a fuss about playing there. In both cases, Argentina and South Africa they were playing for the people, not the goverment. And nowdays bands are starting to play in China, where human rights are systematically ignored, and is ok. In my opinion the Sun City affair was a case of double standards.

British Man wrote: Let's look at this album in depth. Party- 4/10 Unneccesary Filler Khashoggi's Ship- 6/10 Not bad Filler The Miracle- 6/10 Not bad Filler I Want It All- 8/10 Way too much airplay. The Invisible Man- 7/10 Not bad. Breakthru- 5/10 Weak filler Rain Must Fall- 5/10 Weak filler Scandal- 6/10 Mediocre My Baby Does Me- 3/10. Was It All Worth It- 10/10 masterpiece. Hang On In There- 5/10 Mediocre Chinese Torture- 7/10 When a short instrumental track is one of the highlights of the album, that's maybe a sign of failure.

Gregsynth wrote: I love Brenski's comment :P

antiden wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote: Paul Prenter was a cunt, but Jim weren't that bad really was he?

I judge by the activities after 1991. Jim Beach IS the key-decision maker in Queen camp.

queenfanbg wrote: The Miracle is the best album in so many aspects,therefore the biggest mistake is using the brand Queen for stupid collaborations like A.Lambert and Paul... i forgot his name,which tried to sing Freddy's songs.

master marathon runner wrote: Don't forget Wycliffe jeans parasitical slaughter of John's masterpiece.

people on streets wrote: Having unprotected sex

British Man wrote: Biggest mistake in their career?

matt z wrote: Worst song in their career is BLURRED VISION

matt z wrote: Worst song in their career is BLURRED VISION

kevin79 wrote: I think that's unfair to Jim Beach. Remember, it was his call that got that lavish Freddie Mercury Solo Set released back around the turn of the century. I'd say the Queen releases that we have and haven't got over the years are more on Brian and Roger than Jim. He's just overseeing what they approve to release.

Paul Prenter was also a bad idea. Not only did he have Freddie's ear with some bad ideas (hello "Hot Space"), but then he went and turned on Freddie for a pay day.

YourValentine wrote: I think the role of Paul Prenter has been blown out of proportion in the DOOL documentary. After all, he was just a minor figure and now he serves as a projection wall for every problem the band ever had in the 80s.

Vocal harmony wrote: Paul Prenter was in a position where he could influence Freddie directly and was also the first point of contact for many people when Queen were touring. I'd say that the bands biggest mistake was trusting him in the position he had, both as a band and Freddie as an individual. Most of the other mistakes made by the band or management were overcome. Yes Hot Space was not a great seller, and they got hammered for Suncity, but the albums and tours that followed both of these "mistakes" were huge But by then they had lost the US market and that ultimately was down to Prenter saying the band wasn't available for comment or interview to countless people and his influence on Freddie, making him believe that The States were a lost cause. In reality their image as a band suffered in the mid west, they could have still played key cities on the west and eastern sea bored and rebuilt their live reputation. So I think their biggest mistake was not having enough self belief from 82 to 84

Costa86 wrote: Prenter wasn't the root of the problem. He was just one of a number of problems. His role in leading Freddie astray was certainly major. But Freddie was a grown man........ I think the greatest negative effect Prenter had was that he made Freddie think he didn't need Queen. In this respect, I do agree that this exasperated the various pressures and issues within the band.

YourValentine wrote: I do not believe that Freddie ever thought he did not need Queen.

YourValentine wrote: We have heard about the problem with the "Works" album, how John Deacon bullied Brian out of his role in the band

Panchgani wrote:

YourValentine wrote: We have heard about the problem with the "Works" album, how John Deacon bullied Brian out of his role in the band

...  Interesting. Source Please?

The Real Wizard wrote:

YourValentine wrote: I do not believe that Freddie ever thought he did not need Queen.

Well, he did. He got a far bigger advance for Mr Bad Guy than Queen got for The Works, which caused an even bigger rift in the band. Had his album not flopped and had Live Aid not happened, you can bet your life that Mercury would have left the band. Brian and Roger have never been forthcoming in talking about this period, but it was an extremely dark one. They've done very well in keeping under wraps how bad things really were.

musicland munich wrote: Prenter's influence on the band maybe is for debate. But I can vouch for one thing. As soon he had the information that Freddie has developed AIDS, he walks straight to the press. Not much of a thinking process before he betrayed him. Pure criminal instict ! The Press comes up with it in early / mid May 87'. Knowing that Freddie had his result short before, clearly shows that attitude.

The Real Wizard wrote:

musicland munich wrote: Prenter's influence on the band maybe is for debate. But I can vouch for one thing. As soon he had the information that Freddie has developed AIDS, he walks straight to the press. Not much of a thinking process before he betrayed him. Pure criminal instict ! The Press comes up with it in early / mid May 87'. Knowing that Freddie had his result short before, clearly shows that attitude.

Hard to know if Prenter was around then. He was canned in 86, the same year Mercury found out he was ill. Either way, it was pure revenge.

Vocal harmony wrote: Very true. In fact there is an interview with Freddie on film in which he says something like Queen isn't the only thing musically in his life and you have to move on, he gies on to say "by that I mean leave the band" this was at the time of Bad Guy. He was certainly thinking of a solo career had that album taken off. I think the lack of sales brought him back to reality. I would go as far as saying he probably did leave, but never got as far as making it public for what ever reason.

Ivo-1976 wrote: Biggest mistake i.m.o. was Freddie completely loosing himself in the gay party scene. Too much drugs and alcohol, too much sex, he didn't write a decent song in years and in the end it cost him his life. From "March of the Black Queen" to "Body Language", it was complete madness. Freddie was an all-or-nothing kind of guy, such a shame he could't control himself a bit more when it really mattered.