matt z 27.08.2015 20:38 |
If you could bring one person back to life (*excluding the obvious family and friends) Who would it be? Also maybe a little "why" as well. I was reading "HARPO SPEAKS!" by Harpo Marx and a co author. Somewhere in the middle this was mentioned with Alexander Woolcott (*practically half the book is devoted to his friendship with Woolcott) It's apparently a good sign of personality. I'm sticking with Nikola Tesla, although he'd probably have relatively little power to change things in his idealistic way. Society being as it is. I'd also hope he wouldn't just die again in like two minutes. I would have said Freddie but this question wasn't relegated only to musicians. For the greater good, Tesla |
Bike It 80 27.08.2015 21:43 |
Keith Moon. The world needs more Keith Moon. |
Day dop 27.08.2015 22:17 |
If I had to choose one, it'd be... Carl Sagan - The world needs more people like him. If you're not familiar with his work, here - link I'd advise reading his book 'The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark'. It's full of gems such as these... “I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness... The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” And... "I find many adults are put off when young children pose scientific questions. Why is the Moon round? the children ask. Why is grass green? What is a dream? How deep can you dig a hole? When is the world’s birthday? Why do we have toes? Too many teachers and parents answer with irritation or ridicule, or quickly move on to something else: ‘What did you expect the Moon to be, square?’ Children soon recognize that somehow this kind of question annoys the grown-ups. A few more experiences like it, and another child has been lost to science. Why adults should pretend to omniscience before 6-year-olds, I can’t for the life of me understand. What’s wrong with admitting that we don’t know something? Is our self-esteem so fragile?” Others that spring to mind... Freddie Mercury and John Deacon, obviously. Albert Einstein - I think he'd still have a thing or two to work out and share with us all. That could come in handy. Jesus - Just to see if he'd come back to life, because, if he didn't, then he never existed. Then that'd be settled for me once and for all. Although, I don't believe for one fraction of a second he had magical powers. Stan Laurel and Oliver Hardy - In my opinion they're the funniest comedians ever. Absolute legends. Elvis Presley - I'm not really a fan as such, but it's Elvis! There's others, but it's late. I might add more later. |
BETA215 27.08.2015 22:40 |
Day dop wrote: If I had to choose one, it'd be... Others that spring to mind... Freddie Mercury and John Deacon, obviously. John is alive!! Did you kill him? TELL ME YOU DIDN'T! ;( |
musicland munich 27.08.2015 23:54 |
Klaus Kinski in his prime :) I really would like to see him, teamed up with Werner Herzog again, and makin a movie like "The Wrath of God" Part 2 or something. And of course Klaus will do promotion for that film in a late night talk show, were he's having one of his legendary coke rants about nowadays celebreties. Niccolo Paganini...just curious if he is really that bloody good...Louis Spohr wasn't too impressed..so I want to see who's right and who's wrong. Leonardo da Vinci...I would like to give him the opportunity to work with Computers...I think he will understand them quite quickly. Freddie...with the implied condition to go on Tour/ Recording with Queen again :) ...selfish me, I know.... |
Killer_queenIII 28.08.2015 00:14 |
For the musicians' department, I'd choose John Bonham and John Entwistle, just to see them perform, and perhaps have a masterclass from them on drums and bass respectively. Frank Zappa deserves a resurrection too, both for his music and his opinion on the world now. For non-musicians, Groucho Marx and John Belushi are my top choice, because I'm curious about their style of comedy. |
Chief Mouse 28.08.2015 02:59 |
BETA215 wrote:*kill, *didn't ;)Day dop wrote: If I had to choose one, it'd be... Others that spring to mind... Freddie Mercury and John Deacon, obviously.John is alive!! Did you killed him? TELL ME YOU DOESN'T! ;( |
Holly2003 28.08.2015 04:46 |
Fleegle from the Banana Splits. Sadly missed. Or possibly Jesus, the central figure in the Christian religion and son of God. Tough choice. On balance, Fleegle is slightly in the lead. |
noorie 28.08.2015 08:34 |
Day dop wrote: If I had to choose one, it'd be... Elvis Presley - I'm not really a fan as such, but it's Elvis! ___________________________________________________________________________________ Day dop, don't you know Elvis is still alive? ;) And as far as I can tell, he has spent the last couple of decades on the internet, claiming Crazy Little Thing Called Love as his own. Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flt0aKtklXs And : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceUT4f2fVho |
thomasquinn 32989 28.08.2015 10:39 |
I think I might just have to say FDR. The world could sure use some Roosevelt today... But I really have to give this question a little more thought. |
brENsKi 28.08.2015 10:42 |
anyone not quite "out to grass" at the time of their leaving Rik Mayall, Ronnie Dio, Peter Sellers, (a burger-free) Elvis, Douglas Adams, Robin Williams, John Wayne, Frankie Howerd, Jon Lord and finally... Cushing-Lee-Price (the unholy trinity of horror). reason i don't pick the under 40s? they'd be so full of themselves...they'd kill themselves the self-same way again |
BETA215 28.08.2015 11:45 |
Thanks Chief! :) |
Costa86 28.08.2015 14:57 |
Cool question. First choice would be Freddie. Other possible choices: George Carlin, Christopher Hitchens, Mozart. John Lennon, James Dean, Steve Jobs, Jimi Hendrix. |
Oscar J 28.08.2015 15:47 |
brENsKi: So no Freddie? |
brENsKi 28.08.2015 16:16 |
Oscar J wrote: brENsKi: So no Freddie?definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86 no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved |
Costa86 28.08.2015 16:21 |
^ I agree to a certain point, but you must also consider that had HIV not appeared right at that period in history, his irresponsible behaviour would not have killed him. He wasn't a big drug addict or an alcoholic, he didn't like fast cars, he wasn't involved in crime - the only thing which killed him was the unfortunate series of viral events which appeared right in the period that he was being a promiscuous homosexual. His behaviour wouldn't have killed him had he not been one of the millions of unfortunate people to live (a) in the age of AIDS, and more precisely (b) from the 1970s to 1996. Freddie deserves another chance. |
matt z 28.08.2015 18:03 |
I get the feeling that if you brought back Carlin, he'd ask how did this happen? And when you answered, he'd probably excoriate you verbally: "you mean you could have brought back any scientist, spiritual leaders to end these goddamn wars everywhere, Christ or Mohammed to shut up these religious nuts, or Buddha, Plato, Einstein, Tesla, Da Vinci, hell even a Roosevelt or a Kennedy, and you brought back ME? ! Holy shit, you're a dumb fuck! Speaking of FUCKS, you could have even brought back a good fuck instead. (Marilyn as a love slave etc) Prime shit, you're stupid ! Thanks. .. asshole!" ^or something like that. And he would have blown a raspberry. As long as we're talking extended lists, yeah: Tesla was working on free electricity globalised. But after him. . Yeah Jesus, or Mohammed *(but the odds are that no one would recognize either one and they would both be killed almost immediately as heretics) Even if these religious zealots gave either one time to speak it'd go down like this: "So, you're Jesus/Mohammed eh? , prove it! " When you wrote :"(biblical verse)" what did you mean, did you mean it figuratively or literally? " Jesus: (after translation) "I never WROTE a book." Crowd: (after translation) (shocked) IMPOSTOR! IMPOSTOR! etc. Jesus still has the advantage. If he LITERALLY turned water into wine then he could do it again for proof. Sorry Mohammed. Notable second listers: Chandra Bose, ... the previous Dalai llama *(just to see him meet the new one and see what madness ensues). ... And though I'd love to talk to Charlie Chaplin and go chick cruising with him, he'd be 88 and beyond most capacity. So. ... |
musicland munich 28.08.2015 18:12 |
Costa86 wrote: , he wasn't involved in crimeWell...ordering larger amounts of Cocaine is a crime in most countrys I guess. |
Costa86 28.08.2015 18:57 |
musicland munich wrote:Yes yes, but he was just using it for personal use (and sharing it, but that's not the same as selling it), so it's a minor crime and not one with a high death rate.Costa86 wrote: , he wasn't involved in crimeWell...ordering larger amounts of Cocaine is a crime in most countrys I guess. |
Costa86 28.08.2015 19:04 |
matt z wrote: I get the feeling that if you brought back Carlin, he'd ask how did this happen? And when you answered, he'd probably excoriate you verbally: "you mean you could have brought back any scientist, spiritual leaders to end these goddamn wars everywhere, Christ or Mohammed to shut up these religious nuts, or Buddha, Plato, Einstein, Tesla, Da Vinci, hell even a Roosevelt or a Kennedy, and you brought back ME? ! Holy shit, you're a dumb fuck! Speaking of FUCKS, you could have even brought back a good fuck instead. (Marilyn as a love slave etc) Prime shit, you're stupid ! Thanks. .. asshole!" ^or something like that. And he would have blown a raspberry.Haha yeah he'd probably be pissed I interrupted his harp playing and his looking down from up there taking care of his daughter from the clouds. About bringing back Christ... I gave this some thought. The guy already came back from the dead, supposedly, right? Then he decided to go back again (he disappeared and we're expected to believe that he went to take his massage seat at the right hand of the Father). So he went twice, the second time out of his own volition. That's why I don't think it makes sense bringing him back. He already came back. "Been there, done that, man", is what he'd say. He did his job. Nothing left to do. Carlin, on the other hand, still had a hell of a lot of material left in him... at least that's what I think (just like Fred still had so much music in him). His last HBO special from a few months before he died was one of his best. Oh, and Mohammed? Can you imagine how pissed he'd be if you stole him away from all those virgins (not sure they're still virgins by now though)? Holy crap! |
noorie 28.08.2015 22:55 |
brENsKi wrote:Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis?Oscar J wrote: brENsKi: So no Freddie?definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86 no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved |
brENsKi 29.08.2015 03:37 |
edit - dbl post (boards playing up?) |
brENsKi 29.08.2015 03:38 |
noorie wrote:i don't think that Elvis' demise was one of purely hedonistic-irresponsibility - he had lots going on in his life - that he was ill-equipped psychologically to deal with - and given scant help to treat the cause when treating the symptoms was much easier.brENsKi wrote:Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis?Oscar J wrote:brENsKi: So no Freddie?definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86 no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved divorced by Priscilla his father's breakup from his stepmother his close friend/lover linda thompson finally walked out of Graceland his long-serving band member - david Briggs upped and left for nashville. each new personal life "event" increased his dependence on pills and painkillers(prescribed by his own doctor) and in turn his weight ballooned. he struggled through the 74 US tour - performances were bad. then took months off...and finally went to hospital. once out of hospital he was almost "forced" back to work - by severe money problems. things went on for two years in a similar manner Two years after his death, a check of prescriptions issued by George Nichopoulos (Elvis' doctor) showed that - in his final few months, over 5000 uppers, downers and painkillers were prescribed for Elvis. that equates to over 20 a day. and strangely enough - wasn't Michael Jackson's physician jailed for much less? |
matt z 29.08.2015 05:29 |
^don't forget about his colon problems. He was apparently constipated for weeks at a time. His asshole was supposedly dilated wide enough to pass a small newborn |
tcc 29.08.2015 09:00 |
Buddha would not want to come back either, to have to go through the crap process of birth, growing old, becoming sick and dying again. |
brENsKi 29.08.2015 16:08 |
matt z wrote: ^don't forget about his colon problems. He was apparently constipated for weeks at a time. His asshole was supposedly dilated wide enough to pass a small newbornlike he hadn't enough already going on? i wouldn't mind better that the drugs prescribed by his physician played a part in the colon thing |
noorie 30.08.2015 03:41 |
brENsKi wrote:I get what you are saying, but by the same token, would not Fredddie having to deal with his sexuality in the repressed, homophobic attitudes of the 1970s and 1980s be a huge, horrible issue? I feel it is an extremely difficult thing for somebody to come to terms with even in today's more liberal, accepting (so-called) times.noorie wrote:i don't think that Elvis' demise was one of purely hedonistic-irresponsibility - he had lots going on in his life - that he was ill-equipped psychologically to deal with - and given scant help to treat the cause when treating the symptoms was much easier.brENsKi wrote:Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis?Oscar J wrote:brENsKi: So no Freddie?definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86 no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved I feel that it consumed Freddie more than he let on. Especially with his strict upbringing, and the homophobia in the rock world at the time. So perhaps he took it to the other extreme. People have weird ways of dealing with problems. |
matt z 30.08.2015 03:58 |
noorie wrote:Ppl have weird ways ...brENsKi wrote:I get what you are saying, but by the same token, would not Fredddie having to deal with his sexuality in the repressed, homophobic attitudes of the 1970s and 1980s be a huge, horrible issue? I feel it is an extremely difficult thing for somebody to come to terms with even in today's more liberal, accepting (so-called) times. I feel that it consumed Freddie more than he let on. Especially with his strict upbringing, and the homophobia in the rock world at the time. So perhaps he took it to the other extreme. People have weird ways of dealing with problems.noorie wrote:i don't think that Elvis' demise was one of purely hedonistic-irresponsibility - he had lots going on in his life - that he was ill-equipped psychologically to deal with - and given scant help to treat the cause when treating the symptoms was much easier.brENsKi wrote:Then, wouldn't the same apply to Elvis?Oscar J wrote:brENsKi: So no Freddie?definitely not!!! for the same rule I used for the under-40s. Freddie was on a one-way-ticket-to-self-ruin. pity is, if he'd had the nine lives of one of his cat's, he'd have used every last one of them being the same hedonistic, irresponsible prick he was from 78-86 no point whatsoever in saving those who won't be saved I know exactly what you're saying. I used to be so close with a beautiful blonde chick from a well to do family in north Carolina that came out to California for a bunch of hedonism and stripping. It's all "make the rounds, see what can happen and enjoy the excess" A little bit of "let's hurt daddy" thrown into it. Women. ... Hey... they're getting the wealth eventually anyways. It happens. Freddie's thing on the other hand. Who knows. Part insecurity, Part excess. |
Holly2003 30.08.2015 04:48 |
Rich young rock star has lots of fun, sex and parties. Do you really need to psychoanalyse his life to understand why? |
noorie 30.08.2015 05:16 |
^^^ Hahaha, you are sooo right! But I guess that is why we join forums - to exchange thoughts and ideas and opinions. Freddie lived the regular rock star life. Same as almost every other rock star of his time. But he got unlucky! End of... |
brENsKi 30.08.2015 06:06 |
difference between Freddie and Elvis? Freddie wasn't ill - he made himself ill - no-one else did it to him Elvis' doctor contributed significantly to his downward spiral as i said before - regardless what we think of cossetted rock stars - Michael Jackson's doctor was jailed for prescribing much less than Elvis' doctor |
mooghead 31.08.2015 12:10 |
"His asshole was supposedly dilated wide enough to pass a small newborn" We've all had dumps that big! |
Oscar J 31.08.2015 17:50 |
brENsKi wrote: difference between Freddie and Elvis? Freddie wasn't ill - he made himself ill - no-one else did it to him Elvis' doctor contributed significantly to his downward spiral as i said before - regardless what we think of cossetted rock stars - Michael Jackson's doctor was jailed for prescribing much less than Elvis' doctorAnd Paul Prenter contributed significantly to Freddies downward spiral ... your point? Besides, as others have already said, he was surely not aware of the consequences of his lifestyle. If you brought him back, he would probably have learned his lesson from his first death, me thinks. :) I'd like Steve Jobs to be brought back too. |
musicland munich 01.09.2015 22:39 |
Oscar J wrote:Freddie was aware of his life-style. He had several confirmed drug overdoses. If you miss those warning sign(s) your fate is sealed.brENsKi wrote: difference between Freddie and Elvis? Freddie wasn't ill - he made himself ill - no-one else did it to him Elvis' doctor contributed significantly to his downward spiral as i said before - regardless what we think of cossetted rock stars - Michael Jackson's doctor was jailed for prescribing much less than Elvis' doctorAnd Paul Prenter contributed significantly to Freddies downward spiral ... your point? Besides, as others have already said, he was surely not aware of the consequences of his lifestyle. If you brought him back, he would probably have learned his lesson from his first death, me thinks. :) I'd like Steve Jobs to be brought back too. |
Bike It 80 02.09.2015 09:14 |
musicland munich wrote: Freddie was aware of his life-style. He had several confirmed drug overdoses.Freddie overdosed? What, when, where?? |
musicland munich 02.09.2015 10:06 |
Bike It 80 wrote:I'am afraid that they didn't do a diary about that part of his life :)musicland munich wrote: Freddie was aware of his life-style. He had several confirmed drug overdoses.Freddie overdosed? What, when, where?? I think there are passages about that subject in Jim Hutton's and Peter Freestones books. Mack also made a statement on that in a filmed interview. |
Bike It 80 02.09.2015 10:58 |
musicland munich wrote:It's interesting to hear something outside of the "official party line", which is (according to Phoebe himself in his "Ask Phoebe" blog) that "Freddie always kept control over his drug use" etc. I believe Freddie wasn't a full-on addict but I guess that when you play with fire, accidents may happen...Bike It 80 wrote:I'am afraid that they didn't do a diary about that part of his life :) I think there are passages about that subject in Jim Hutton's and Peter Freestones books. Mack also made a statement on that in a filmed interview.musicland munich wrote: Freddie was aware of his life-style. He had several confirmed drug overdoses.Freddie overdosed? What, when, where?? Anyway, thanks for the info, I'll definitely check out these books! |
musicland munich 02.09.2015 22:58 |
Bike It 80 wrote:I've just checked this. At least the german version of Phoebe book has a passage that claimed that he had several overdoses, and they had to call a doctor/ paramedic to look for his condition. Always with the same result...drug overdose.musicland munich wrote:It's interesting to hear something outside of the "official party line", which is (according to Phoebe himself in his "Ask Phoebe" blog) that "Freddie always kept control over his drug use" etc. I believe Freddie wasn't a full-on addict but I guess that when you play with fire, accidents may happen... Anyway, thanks for the info, I'll definitely check out these books!Bike It 80 wrote:I'am afraid that they didn't do a diary about that part of his life :) I think there are passages about that subject in Jim Hutton's and Peter Freestones books. Mack also made a statement on that in a filmed interview.musicland munich wrote: Freddie was aware of his life-style. He had several confirmed drug overdoses.Freddie overdosed? What, when, where?? If the guys, Phoebe or Joe for examnple, want to talk about the subject, he just ignored them. Just mentioning that Phoebe meanwhile is co-writer of at least two books about Freddie. |
noorie 03.09.2015 08:06 |
While it is lovely that Phoebe took good care of Freddie for many years, I kinda find it distasteful that he made a career out of revealing Freddie's personal life. Especially after Freddie's death. |