|You see what I did there? Clickbait tactics.|
|Pretty damn good. Short lived however|
|Okay. Never listened to any of his albums in full, but there are some songs I like.|
|therein lies a conundrum.
Nirvana = good
Nirvana legend > Nirvana
music media hype/bullshit > actual fact
one actual fact:
there were at least five other bands at that time who did the same thing (or similar) sooner and/or better than KC's lot
Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam
|Bike It 80
|^ Pearl Jam was formed after Nirvana (1990 vs. 1987). Members of PJ, though, were members of seminal bands like Green River and Mother Love Bone, which existed before Nirvana.
And to answer the question, Nirvana's one of my favorite bands.
|^^^ sooner or better.
Pearl Jam were an altogether better band
Nirvana legend = > than the band
|Bike It 80
|^^ oops, I missed the "and/or" part, sorry ;)
About PJ being better than Nirvana, well it's up to anyone's taste. I like PJ a lot (saw them live 3 times), they used to be one of my favorite bands before they released that "Avocado" album but I still like Nirvana better. It's possible that my opinion on both bands would be reversed if Kurt hadn't died and started releasing bad albums; and Eddie Vedder had committed suicide, ending PJ, which wouldn't have released albums anymore. So, yeah, in that sense, the legend is bigger than the band.
|Amazing. And the only great thing about the 90's|
pittrek wrote: Amazing. And the only great thing about the 90'sBullshit man!
Alice in chains
ozzy 's last good album
Pinky and the brain
the last breaths of TMNT
the last breaths of NES
the first two good Batman films
the last great CAST of SNL
George Michael's FAITH
A few good Duran Duran albums
made in Heaven was released
guns and roses did their last epic Tour
Plenty other reasons but I'm just mentioning the popular culture stuff.
|As far as KC is concerned I actually preferred his Sunshine Band to NIrvana|
matt z wrote:pittrek wrote: Amazing. And the only great thing about the 90'sBullshit man! 90's: Milli Vanilli Soundgarden Alice in chains ozzy 's last good album animaniacs Pinky and the brain the last breaths of TMNT the last breaths of NES the first two good Batman films the last great CAST of SNL George Michael's FAITH A few good Duran Duran albums made in Heaven was released guns and roses did their last epic Tour Plenty other reasons but I'm just mentioning the popular culture stuff.
I'd also mention Michael Jackson's History. It's a good album.
It was sore and spur of the moment. HISTORY is actually his best most personal album if you asked me. It's a damn shame I passed on it all those years because it was stuck onto a (in my eyes) WORTHLESS GREATEST HITS ALBUM.
Of course. . Facing his situation I think the attending GH album was to increase sales. He's a neurotic like most great artists
I also forgot to mention JUDAS PRIEST: PAINKILLER (*arguably their last GREAT album)
MEGADETH : COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION/YOUTHANASIA
Manowar : THE triumph of steel (their best album next to HAIL TO ENGLAND)
DIO: STRANGE HIGHWAYS
THE SIMPSONS (*ITS GREATEST PEAK seasons 1-12)
GET A LIFE (*THE ORIGINAL anti sitcom)
THE END OF GOLDEN GIRLS AND NIGHT COURT
It could go on for a while.
Some people even love SAVED BY THE BELL. .. FRESH PRINCE. .. PRINCE ROGERS NELSON 'S last albums for Warner and his great others THE GOLD EXPERIENCE, OLD FRIENDS FOR SALE, EMANCIPATION. ..
there's also THE OFFSPRING AND GREEN DAYS BEST ALBUMS
THE emergence of the harlots of pop fame
Christina Aguilera, Mandy Moore and Britney (*it'd be years before sexy ass Mandy Moore won by default; respectable acting career, wasn't trash)
There's also films ... but none I can remember now
|yeah, of course. the 90s was as tasteless and shallow as the 80s...but there were definitely some highs
Cheers (as mentioned before - and yes, it started in the 80s)
Everybody Loves Raymond
The Fast Show
I'm Alan Partridge
League of Gentlemen
As Good As It Gets
A Few Good Men
Good Will Hunting
Any Given Sunday
In The Name of the Father
and (dividing opinion) several Tarantino films
|hobbit in Rhye
|Nirvana legend aside, it's a very, very interesting band. The way they crystallise catchy tunes from somehow simplified chords and melodies. Simplicity is a beauty of its own (not to confuse it with cheap lazy products). Kurt Cobain's drawings and bizarre philosophy is also his legacy. The rawness and the anger from their music is genuine and uncomparable. It's impossible to enjoy Nirvana's songs from an armchair critics' POV, they'll miss the point. Their songs are often considered as for rebellious youth, it's true but it's not their only virtue.
I don't know if they are a "great" band, it's difficult to say that for such a short lived band. But they are one of my favorite bands. They can be looked upon like a shining meteor who hits the atmosphere and burn. Kurt's life literally burnt after he hit fame.
Their full albums are worth a listen to, if you haven't. They are not only Smell like Teen. Kurt wasn't always screaming: "Something In The Way" is a really emotional song. And despite their loudness, their music goes the melodious way. Metal fans frequently critic Nirvana for being too melodic.
Kurt obviously is a fan of Freddie Mercury.
|Okay. Certainly not a crap band, and they were innovative to some extent, but also over-hyped and, once stripped of the external baggage of nostalgia and drama, not as earth-shattering as the early '90s wanted us to believe.|
|^yep. He talked quite a bit about it in an interview. Sitting in his dad or "uncle's" white van replaying NEWS OF THE WORLD on cassette until the battery stopped.
Gotta think about how REVELATORY that is. .
What was his dad or whomever *(somebody please clarify this for me) DOING while the kid Cobain was waiting around.
Could be good, Could be bad. THE thing is people are drawn to emotions. Particularly at that age. A kid will call you out if you're pretending but out of your element.
Just the way it is.
That album was with less pretense and full of emotion whether the listener gets it or not.
Hard cutting emotion.
None of the songs are "I went to the store today to fill up my pills while I waited in line a kind old lady graciously gave me candy. "
matt z wrote:Wow ! You REALLY put Milli Vanilli on the "good thing" list?pittrek wrote: Amazing. And the only great thing about the 90'sBullshit man! 90's: Milli Vanilli Soundgarden Alice in chains ozzy 's last good album animaniacs Pinky and the brain the last breaths of TMNT the last breaths of NES the first two good Batman films the last great CAST of SNL George Michael's FAITH A few good Duran Duran albums made in Heaven was released guns and roses did their last epic Tour Plenty other reasons but I'm just mentioning the popular culture stuff.
Soundgarden - OK, I like Black Hole Sun, but that's the only song I like from them.
Alice In Chains - never liked them.
Ozzy - OK, I forgot that both No More Tears and Ozzmosis were released in the 90's.
Animaniacs - I think they were OK, but I never was a fan.
Pinky and the Brain - the same.
TMNT - the 90's seasons sucked. That 80's seasons were great.
NES - what's that? The gaming system? If yes, I never head one.
Batman - actually the one Batman movie I love was made in the 80's, the second one was from the 90's but again, for me it was just OK.
SNL - I've never seen anything from SNL except of a few Star Trek parodies on youtube.
George Michael - never liked his music.
Duran Duran - the same.
MIH - well, how could I forget this album?
GNR were OK, but overrated.
Also if you want to include movies, I simply have to add T2, Jurassic Park and maybe Titanic? But overall - I'm an 80's kid, that probably explains why I love(d) the 80's :-)
|Haha i put Milli Vanilli in there for the sheer drama of it all.
They were practically destroyed before the public scorn. There were even commercials targeting people who had purchased their album. They had refund commercials! For quite some time it was hard to locate an album after that.
The songs are memorable (the influence of music on a young mind) despite having the same cheap Casio sounding rhythm tracks on almost every song.
There was such a public spectacle about it. I'm supposed it hasn't been made into a serious film study of media "idols"
I've got some art concepts for that film if it ever gets made. Stuff for the criterion edition (20 years later)
|I used to listen to Nirvana a lot (a half life ago), I have every album, but nowadays I think they're mostly too noisy.|
|Quite funny to listen to today's teens reactions : link|
|Basically, a generation has passed, and teenagers *still* don't realize that Kurt Cobain is calling them spoilt brats who are contagiously stupid.|
|^^^ and not even in a well-hidden or clever way|
|Strangest thing - my brother had to study the impact of Nirvana on North American culture in grade 12, and his teacher placed special emphasis on The Man Who Sold The World, which is not even a Nirvana song!
Guess this is quite off-topic. Sorry.
|Well they did COVER it, so it COULD be considered a Nirvana song. Sort of.|