| people on streets 16.07.2015 09:32 |
Cut from the digital 2011 masters so it seems. :-( Using the original analogue tapes and make a new master from scratch wasn't possible so they said.... Strange, because the Beatles could do it with even way older mastertapes: I bought the Beatles mono vinyl box (2014 release) wich is a far better product than this upcoming Queen release... Terrible design and vinyl colors as well. But that's Queen these days I guess. Any thoughts? link |
| LucasDiego 16.07.2015 09:35 |
There are more surprises in the box set; ‘Queen II’ originally never had a designated ‘A side’ or ‘B side’ - but ‘Side White’ and ‘Side Black’. For this new edition, the album has been cut on two separate discs, black and white, each with a custom etching on the reverse side, a nice bonus for collectors. What?????????????????????? Queen always had a special fondness for vinyl, the medium in which they first began to create, around 1970. As a matter of principle, every Queen studio album was offered at the time of original release on vinyl, even well into the era when CD’s had taken over as the medium of choice for most of the public. However, the final two albums, ‘Innuendo’ and ‘Made In Heaven’ were actually formatted primarily with the CD in mind, with a longer running time, so the contents had to be edited down to fit them on to the two sides of a vinyl album. Now, specially for this edition, for the first time, these two albums have been cut at full length as double vinyl LP’s - four sides each – making up a vinyl set that is complete in every way Good news Where's a b side vinyl?? And the trailer: link |
| people on streets 16.07.2015 09:46 |
It's basically the 2011 remaster cd set made ready for vinyl without the bonus material. Pressed on rather childish looking colored vinyl (Sheer Heart Attack and Jazz look OK) with some book and an ugly black and gold boxset. They could and should have done better. Im not sure if I want to spend 400 euros + shipping on that. Especially since I have multiple first pressings of all their LPs in pristine quality. I hope they will release the LPs individually as well. Innuendo and Made In Heaven are worth trying on 2LP. But than again, those albums were digitally recorded so it doesn't really make sense to buy LP versions of those. |
| DepeX 16.07.2015 09:49 |
I went on QueenOnline and when I saw 400€ I collapsed. I know there's quite a lot of stuff in there, but for me it's simply too expensive, plus I've got the entire 2011 set. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 16.07.2015 10:04 |
Hey t least many will get the ultra rare Red vinyl SHA now ! |
| rocknrolllover 16.07.2015 10:11 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: Hey t least many will get the ultra rare Red vinyl SHA now !Cheers |
| pittrek 16.07.2015 10:15 |
Nice, another Queen release I'll proudly ignore |
| rocknrolllover 16.07.2015 10:18 |
pittrek wrote: Nice, another Queen release I'll proudly ignoreYou have no rights ignore it, you can not ignore You must pre-order and buy it, RIGHT NOW! |
| Marknow 16.07.2015 10:22 |
It's an interesting set for vinyl lovers like myself, €400.00 is a fair price too for what you are getting, some double vinyl albums, the book and the box. I'll probably buy this. Would love to have seen one more double vinyl set with B-sides and studio rarities, still a good set in my opinion. |
| Day dop 16.07.2015 10:47 |
I don't like the coloured vinyl. As people on streets said, it's childish looking. |
| splicksplack 16.07.2015 11:30 |
I may have been tempted if it was an attampt to be accurate. But coloured vinyl and 2011 remasters? No thanks. BTW, found a mint NOTW in London for £15. I'll keep looking for the rest. |
| splicksplack 16.07.2015 11:31 |
I may have been tempted if it was an attempt to be accurate. But coloured vinyl and 2011 remasters? No thanks. BTW, found a mint NOTW in London for £15. I'll keep looking for the rest. |
| musicland munich 16.07.2015 12:04 |
Actually I think it's an unnecessary release. Maybe for die hard Vinyl collectors. The rest should keep their wallets closed. |
| people on streets 16.07.2015 13:01 |
People keep saying this is an interesting item for vinyl lovers. If you really understand why vinyl is great and when its great you'd understand that this set is rubbish. I said it before: The Beatles mono vinyl box set (2014 release) is how it should've be done. link link |
| AB-88 16.07.2015 13:45 |
Forgive me if someone has already mentioned it but I notice they appear to be selling the albums individually on black vinyl for £20... link |
| people on streets 16.07.2015 13:54 |
AB-88 wrote: Forgive me if someone has already mentioned it but I notice they appear to be selling the albums individually on black vinyl for £20... linkThanks! Good to know. Will probably buy Innuendo and Made In Heaven. |
| Pim Derks 16.07.2015 14:18 |
Such a shame they didn't include a 2 or 3 disc set with at least all the official b-sides. A sort of Complete Vision update. |
| cmi 16.07.2015 14:25 |
They've changed the track sequence sequence for 'Innuendo' even for 2LPs version....again... SIDE A 1 Innuendo 2 I'm Going Slightly Mad 3 Headlong SIDE B 1 These Are The Days Of Our Lives 2 Don't Try So Hard 3 Ride The Wild Wind SIDE C 1 All God's People 2 I Can't Live With You 3 Delilah SIDE D 1 The Hitman 2 Bijou 3 The Show Must Go On The difference in running time of the tracks is 15 seconds. Is that really useful ? BTW, I noticed reworked design for some albums: 1) 'Queen' - now it features inner sleeve with lyrics) 2) 'Queen II' - now the 'Black Side' inner sleeve is black. Hope it remains the same for 1LP individual version. 3) 'News Of The World' - No hole in the middle of inner sleeve. Now it features robot head instead. 4) Lyrics for 'Jazz' now printed on the flip side of the poster. 5) 'The Works' - new black/gold label(s) on vinyl instead of original red/gold. 5) 'Innuendo' - gatefold with not used before Grandville illustrations. Band photo now in full 12" size of inner sleeve. 6) 'Made In Heaven' - Original CD 'sunrise' artwork used instead of the original LP 'sunset' artwork. If you will look closely to the video advert you will notice the "-13-" track title on the fourth side of MIH. The weakest thing that QPL didn't bother to produce special 'non-album tracks' compilation as it was with Complete Works set in 1985. |
| brians wig 16.07.2015 15:19 |
It's just another wasted opportunity. Instead of more crappy mp3 download codes, why not a download code for the albums in Hi-Res? They're out in Japan on SACD, so it's not like they'd have to do any work to create them and it would make them available to the rest of the world. As for the coloured vinyl. They just look cheap. Why they aren't transucent vinyl I don't know. They'd look much better. The book looks nice, though I bet you can't buy it on its own. Right QPL. Now you've announced this and got it out of the way, can you please announce the NEXT release - the one which far more people will be interested in... |
| people on streets 16.07.2015 15:26 |
shm-cd is not the same as super audio cd link Why not yet available in super audio cd quality? My guess is that if they ever will be released, those will come in some format you have to buy instead of a free download. Like they did with The Game and A Night At The Opera. |
| ludwigs 16.07.2015 16:12 |
I couldn't care less about this. Thankfully I have all the albums on original vinyl and don't care whether it's blue, green, yellow etc... That price just seems, to me, another way that they can milk it all and screw so many people/fans. Will the sound be improved??? MattC has done a great job using the tracks (not multi's) and created a massive sonic difference. Why can't Queen's people not do a similar thing with all the stuff available to them? |
| Nitroboy 16.07.2015 16:17 |
They're claiming in the trailer that they're straight from the original master tapes... That's clearly not the case. Also, my ears were almost blown off when the trailer started. Good job on including the trailer as a victim of the loudness war |
| cmsdrums 16.07.2015 16:40 |
According to the press release, Innuendo contains a track called 'I Can't Live Without You'......FUCKING HELL, they can't get anything right can they?!!! It also makes a big deal of some of the original tapes being at a wrong speed so they didn't use them....didn't bother them on the latest 'Fun In Space' release though did it? |
| the dude 1366 16.07.2015 18:07 |
As a wannabe audiophile Queen fan, be careful of vinyl that is not black. It's generally much noisier. The sacd's were a complete ripoff as they were mastered painfully loud. In general, early vinyl and non-remastered cd's still are better. Save your money and buy earlier press black vinyl or non-remaster cd's. |
| the dude 1366 16.07.2015 18:08 |
The 2011 remasters sound like complete shit. Look up "loudness wars". Do not throw away your old cds |
| kevin79 16.07.2015 21:33 |
I wouldn't skip buying these just because they were sourced from digital files. While, yes, The Beatles Mono vinyl reissues were done straight from the original tapes, The Beatles Stereo vinyl reissues were done from the digital files that had all the corrections and fixes done to them. But it was a higher resolution than the CD's and, more importantly, the vinyl didn't have the limiting and compression that the CD's had, giving the vinyl issues a great sound that the CD's should have had. I'm not saying that these Queen re-issues will be the same way. But even being sourced from the digital files, there is hope. |
| Ale Solan 16.07.2015 21:41 |
The perfect release for new "Queen" fans and Adam Lambert fans. |
| Barry Durex 16.07.2015 23:34 |
Nothing that appeals to me. Sorry |
| cmsdrums 17.07.2015 01:52 |
the dude 1366 wrote: As a wannabe audiophile Queen fan, be careful of vinyl that is not black. It's generally much noisier. The sacd's were a complete ripoff as they were mastered painfully loud. In general, early vinyl and non-remastered cd's still are better. Save your money and buy earlier press black vinyl or non-remaster cd's.You're generally right about the sound quality on coloured vinyl; I wouldn't mind betting that the standalone black versions that are being sold individually will sound better than the coloured ones in the box. |
| MercurialFreddie 17.07.2015 05:38 |
Meanwhile on Brianmay.com, under the section "on this day" (Fri 17 Jul 15).... In 2012 - Queen announced screenings of 27 July Budapest concert, titled "Hungarian Rhapsody: Queen live In Budapest" in !!! deleted heaters !!! worldwide. On a more serious note: If this new turntable would be considered as a free gift for those who'll order whole lp set that would be definitely worth buying. The first step was the tape research; locating and confirming the correct versions and best sources for all tracks. !!! Most notably, Under Pressure, plus five tracks on the ‘Innuendo’ album, were improved hugely after the discovery of better sources during this period. !!! + "The original plan was to master everything straight from the analogue mix tapes, where available. But in fact most of those tapes, having suffered from the effects of time, were in need of some restoration. The problems encountered included speed errors, missing audio, newly developing clicks and other unwanted noise. !!! So the decision was made to create new super-high quality digital masters, using 24 bit samples and a sampling rate of 96 kHz. !!! All the restoration was then performed in the digital domain, and the vinyl was cut from these perfected files. All restoration was carried out with the lightest of touches, with a profound respect for the originals, and the resulting masters are undoubtedly the finest ever." = So it IS NOT the 2011 remaster ? |
| rocknrolllover 17.07.2015 05:44 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Meanwhile on Brianmay.com, under the section "on this day" (Fri 17 Jul 15).... In 2012 - Queen announced screenings of 27 July Budapest concert, titled "Hungarian Rhapsody: Queen live In Budapest" in !!! deleted heaters !!! worldwide. On a more serious note: If this new turntable would be considered as a free gift for those who'll order whole lp set that would be definitely worth buying. The first step was the tape research; locating and confirming the correct versions and best sources for all tracks. !!! Most notably, Under Pressure, plus five tracks on the ‘Innuendo’ album, were improved hugely after the discovery of better sources during this period. !!! + "The original plan was to master everything straight from the analogue mix tapes, where available. But in fact most of those tapes, having suffered from the effects of time, were in need of some restoration. The problems encountered included speed errors, missing audio, newly developing clicks and other unwanted noise. !!! So the decision was made to create new super-high quality digital masters, using 24 bit samples and a sampling rate of 96 kHz. !!! All the restoration was then performed in the digital domain, and the vinyl was cut from these perfected files. All restoration was carried out with the lightest of touches, with a profound respect for the originals, and the resulting masters are undoubtedly the finest ever." = So it IS NOT the 2011 remaster ?Who Knows. |
| Estranged 17.07.2015 06:08 |
Well, color me disappointed already. The Queen II gimmick is stupid, most of the vinyll color choices aren't that great either. Will probably buy SHA, Innuendo and MIH but that's all. Of course they are the 2011 Ludwig remasterd. The question is, will the stupid limiting and compression witnessed on the CDs carry over to the LPs? |
| Richard Orchard 17.07.2015 06:28 |
I think the same mastering - that is compression, etc, will go through to the vinyl. If vinyl can handle it. That is the way the band like it.... |
| Vali 17.07.2015 06:56 |
oh, yes.... this boxset looks so beautiful !! but, hey .... already have all the original vinyl pressings, plus the previous vinyl reissues (when was that? 6 or 7 years ago?), plus +400€ ... and I prefer the forthcoming Bowie boxset. Enough said ! |
| cmsdrums 17.07.2015 06:56 |
It will no doubt be the 2011 remasters. The press release states that the audio restoration work has been going on for a few years, and so my guess is that all the steps they list were what they went through preparing for the 2011 stuff, and they are just recutting the vinyls based on those. As others have said, the loudness issues are just ignored by QPL sadly. I've been thinking about a new turntable though so may invest in that (£385 apparently) and just play all my old vinyls on it! |
| Estranged 17.07.2015 07:03 |
I can't understand why they haven't yet released the High Res masters on sites like Qobuz or HD Tracks. |
| cmsdrums 17.07.2015 07:04 |
Another one of my frustrations with this set is that is really a money making exercise and nothing more. Despite loathing the constant reissues of Greatest Hits, and other new compilations coming out, I can at least slightly understand these when QPL give the reasoning that it brings their music to new audiences and 'Joe Public', as those people don't buy the original albums; they say that other things (Rainbow etc) are aimed at the true fans. However, based on them already having given us the same audio remasters in 2011 there is nothing new musically here, so to me this release is not about the music, but counts purely as MERCHANDISE, in the same way their tacky vodkas, tea towels, shopping bags etc are. They know that it will appeal to the merchandise collectors and so can guarantee a financial return on them without actually issuing anything new. It stinks. |
| Marknow 17.07.2015 07:53 |
I think mastering wise that this will be a different mix in comparison to the 2011 releases. Yes the same Digital Masters were most defiantly used but there is no way Bob Ludwig simply worked off the 2011 remasters. I don't know Bob Ludwig's stance on the loudness war but he is very respected. I hope we get a pleasant surprise with a new and hopefully improved mastering process from the digital masters.. |
| brians wig 17.07.2015 09:10 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: = So it IS NOT the 2011 remaster ?If you read the full article on the purchasing website, it clearly starts with "five years in the making" and so all the technical details relate to the 2011 remasters. 24/96 masters were created and it was those that were cleaned up and "remastered". These will be vinyl pressings from those subsequent masters. This is info they should have published at the time as we all wanted to know it back then. Typical Queen though - late to the party... It's almost like their attitude is one of not giving a *s**t: "Here's the product. Take it or leave it. Either way we don't care if you care." If only QPL management made as much effort as Gary Taylor and Greg Brooks do, their products would be the best in the world. Instead they're quite frequently superceeded by releases of other bands. Oh, and it's ironic that the same website which is selling these also sells hi-res flac files of other bands albums, but we are presented with, yet again, shitty mp3's. |
| *goodco* 17.07.2015 10:31 |
Are they offering the book separate? It's the only thing in this package that vaguely interests us. Would still like a 'Live Killers' remastered, with the songs (and missing songs) in the original setlist order. It can't be that frickin' difficult. and golly gee, it would sell |
| Nitroboy 17.07.2015 10:55 |
*goodco* wrote: Are they offering the book separate? Hahah, don't be silly, of course not! |
| joerijoerijoeri 17.07.2015 12:05 |
I was at least happy to see that Innuendo and Made in Heaven are finally released on 2lp. I'll try not to get my hopes up too much about the mastering but at least they can't be using the same ones they did for the 2011 re-releases, since that was on single vinyl format. |
| joerijoerijoeri 17.07.2015 12:05 |
Those two records are the only ones that will at least add something to what everyone already has. Unless the price will be 40 euros like the Rainbow 2lp was i might buy them. Not really interested in the box set, i already have everything in probably better quality and without gimmicks! |
| FG 17.07.2015 13:28 |
Hmmm...delivery charge is €168.21 from Queenonline store....are Brian and Roger delivering this in person... :) ? |
| Biggus Dickus 17.07.2015 14:02 |
FG wrote: Hmmm...delivery charge is €168.21 from Queenonline store....are Brian and Roger delivering this in person... :) ?Sure it's heavy, but that's ridiculous. |
| Marknow 17.07.2015 14:06 |
FG wrote: Hmmm...delivery charge is €168.21 from Queenonline store....are Brian and Roger delivering this in person... :) ? Really? That's fooking mental. I could get the equivalent weight of Cocaine into Ireland via registered post for less than that. |
| philip storey 17.07.2015 14:59 |
Instead of releasing 15 LP box set, is it beyond Brian and Roger to go into the studio and work on some new material,bloody hell ,five songs each ! I have no interest in buying the same albums all over again when i already own four copies of each album.Why not give Live Killers a proper remaster with all the bits that were hacked out put back in.No i am afraid Brian and Roger have not got a fucking clue.It just goes to show how much Freddie did and not just writing great songs.Another thing why have they allowed themselves to look so fucking old and haggered.Roger looks absurd with his grey beard and has Brian ever heard of some highlights, he looks shocking.For a long time after the passing of Freddie i thought the band would still have some future,when all we have been fed is stuff we have heard a thousand times before.They will argue that Freddie said dont ever let me become boring, i could cry.Well they both have about 80 million tucked away so why should they bother,when the truth is why should we bother ! |
| RS_Protos 17.07.2015 15:20 |
Personally i don't care what they look like and/or recording new material. But would have been great to get some more old concerts and demo material. |
| RadekQ 17.07.2015 15:49 |
wow, Queen boxset at last !!!! |
| joerijoerijoeri 17.07.2015 16:29 |
I dn't think this boxset or most of the reissues were Brian / Roger's idea. The record company is well aware Queen is one od the best selling acts of all time and they're among a small group of 'legendary' artists they can squeeze every last penny out of. Probably reissues still make more money than things the fanss have been waiting for for years. For good and exciting new music there are still lots of options that you could check out but you might want to dig a little deeper. |
| LucasDiego 17.07.2015 16:29 |
For money problems, i'll buy only Innuendo and MIH versions, the others albums i'll complete with the brazillian versions. |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 17.07.2015 17:13 |
Remastering the albums in 24/96 is a joke. Every mp3 player I have bought in the last few years supports 24/192. 24/96 was the standard for home audio 10 years ago now just about every new DAC will support 24/192. For professional Remastering a even higher bit rate should be used. If they wanted the "optimum quality" they should of remasted the albums in something like 32 bit/192 at a minimum. |
| people on streets 17.07.2015 17:14 |
philip storey wrote: Instead of releasing 15 LP box set, is it beyond Brian and Roger to go into the studio and work on some new material,bloody hell ,five songs each ! I have no interest in buying the same albums all over again when i already own four copies of each album.Why not give Live Killers a proper remaster with all the bits that were hacked out put back in.No i am afraid Brian and Roger have not got a fucking clue.It just goes to show how much Freddie did and not just writing great songs.Another thing why have they allowed themselves to look so fucking old and haggered.Roger looks absurd with his grey beard and has Brian ever heard of some highlights, he looks shocking.For a long time after the passing of Freddie i thought the band would still have some future,when all we have been fed is stuff we have heard a thousand times before.They will argue that Freddie said dont ever let me become boring, i could cry.Well they both have about 80 million tucked away so why should they bother,when the truth is why should we bother !I agree. Freddie's influence on the band was huge in so many aspects. The longer he's gone, the more this becomes noticeable. |
| Biggus Dickus 17.07.2015 23:07 |
Marknow wrote:Some of their other prices are bit dodgy too. The Rainbow '74 box set is 120€ not including postage costs. When it came out I ordered it from Amazon.com for 55€ and that included shipping from US to Europe. 120€ from two cd's, DVD, BR and a book isn't reasonable in my opinion.FG wrote: Hmmm...delivery charge is €168.21 from Queenonline store....are Brian and Roger delivering this in person... :) ?Really? That's fooking mental. I could get the equivalent weight of Cocaine into Ireland via registered post for less than that. |
| cmsdrums 18.07.2015 07:25 |
brians wig wrote:Really? Greg might have good ideas that he puts forward, but a lot of his work across several othe Queen projects has had typos, grammatical errors, factual errors about the music and (according to some) chunks of text from other sources without credit. Basically, a big lack of attention to detail. My favourite was the 10 feet x 20 feet backing display at the Stormtroopers in Stilletoes exhibition stating Bo Rhap was on Queen II.....MercurialFreddie wrote: = So it IS NOT the 2011 remaster ?If only QPL management made as much effort as Gary Taylor and Greg Brooks do, their products would be the best in the world. . |
| Estranged 18.07.2015 14:56 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: Remastering the albums in 24/96 is a joke. Every mp3 player I have bought in the last few years supports 24/192. 24/96 was the standard for home audio 10 years ago now just about every new DAC will support 24/192. For professional Remastering a even higher bit rate should be used. If they wanted the "optimum quality" they should of remasted the albums in something like 32 bit/192 at a minimum.Like you can hear the difference b/w 96 and 192. Not to mention 24/96 is still the archiving standard for many, many record companies, and lots of artists still record at 24/48. Oh and nobody uses 32 bit resolution. There's a lot to complain about, but the resolution of the transfer isn't one of them. |
| people on streets 18.07.2015 18:14 |
Estranged wrote:I agree!Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: Remastering the albums in 24/96 is a joke. Every mp3 player I have bought in the last few years supports 24/192. 24/96 was the standard for home audio 10 years ago now just about every new DAC will support 24/192. For professional Remastering a even higher bit rate should be used. If they wanted the "optimum quality" they should of remasted the albums in something like 32 bit/192 at a minimum.Like you can hear the difference b/w 96 and 192. Not to mention 24/96 is still the archiving standard for many, many record companies, and lots of artists still record at 24/48. Oh and nobody uses 32 bit resolution. There's a lot to complain about, but the resolution of the transfer isn't one of them. |
| tero! 48531 19.07.2015 02:13 |
cmsdrums wrote:Greg is the ideal match for QP, because they are both doing a half-arsed work. They can each justify their shoddy efforts by saying it was the other one who was at fault.brians wig wrote:Really? Greg might have good ideas that he puts forward, but a lot of his work across several othe Queen projects has had typos, grammatical errors, factual errors about the music and (according to some) chunks of text from other sources without credit. Basically, a big lack of attention to detail. My favourite was the 10 feet x 20 feet backing display at the Stormtroopers in Stilletoes exhibition stating Bo Rhap was on Queen II.....MercurialFreddie wrote: = So it IS NOT the 2011 remaster ?If only QPL management made as much effort as Gary Taylor and Greg Brooks do, their products would be the best in the world. . |
| artist_nine 19.07.2015 03:26 |
"five tracks on the ‘Innuendo’ album, were improved hugely after the discovery of better sources during this period." Anyone have any idea which tracks those five actually are and were they found only recently (post 2011 remasters)? Since Innuendo was the last proper Queen album I wonder how they already had "lost" those "hugely impoved sources" in the first place. If it was one of the older albums I would understand better, but Innuendo? And does this discovery of better sources mean that those five tracks on the original CD and vinyl are somehow inferior... |
| dudeofqueen 19.07.2015 08:48 |
Analogue tapes of the 5 songs that were then converted to digital. |
| tero! 48531 19.07.2015 14:55 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Analogue tapes of the 5 songs that were then converted to digital.Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Innuendo recorded digitally? Why would there be the need to convert anything? The Miracle album still had the fashionable DDD label on the back cover (recorded, mixed, and mastered Digitally), but by the 90's any newly recorded album would be fully digital unless otherwise stated. |
| musicland munich 19.07.2015 15:05 |
That is correct, DDD - ADD or AAD DDD-Digital Tape Recorder used during session recording, mixing and/or editing and mastering transcription ADD-Analogue Tape Recorder used during session recording, digital Tape Recorder used during subsequent mixing and/or editing and mastering( transcription) AAD-Analogue Tape Recorder used during session recording AND subsequent mixing and/or editing. digital Tape Recorder used during mastering (transcription) |
| Claudio_CQI 19.07.2015 16:45 |
The point is not if Innuendo was or was not recorded in DDD. The real problem was the poor mastering. There is a big big difference between the original release and the last remaster by Universal. Now there will be also better takes than the ones used so far! I'm thrilled to know. |
| tero! 48531 19.07.2015 23:24 |
Claudio_CQI wrote: The point is not if Innuendo was or was not recorded in DDD. The real problem was the poor mastering. There is a big big difference between the original release and the last remaster by Universal. Now there will be also better takes than the ones used so far! I'm thrilled to know.I'm glad you understand the whole process of recording an album, and are thrilled for the relevant upgrades. I would also recommend you to get the Japanese SHM-CD version of the album, and only listen to it during solar eclipses for maximum fidelity. |
| cmsdrums 20.07.2015 01:20 |
Claudio_CQI wrote: The point is not if Innuendo was or was not recorded in DDD. The real problem was the poor mastering. There is a big big difference between the original release and the last remaster by Universal. Now there will be also better takes than the ones used so far! I'm thrilled to know.I wouldn't be so sure that you're going to get 'better' quality versions of five songs on that album - the press release is vague enough with timelines that those 'newly found' masters may well already be represented on the 2011 CDs. |
| cmi 20.07.2015 03:08 |
These 5 songs from analogue source already were used for 2011 remasters. There's a note about it in Innuendo SACD booklet. Also the original CD is best digital source for customers so far. 2011 remaster is almost the same in EQ settings but it's destroyed by dynamic overcompression and clipping. The weak point of the album is the mix not the mastering. Listen to Rtww and Headlong from companion CD and compare them to album cuts. Mastering is the same but you'll find the hudge difference. |
| miraclesteinway 20.07.2015 05:14 |
This box set is a nice idea, but I feel it's a wasted opportunity. In 1985 we got 'The Complete Works' which included their live release at the time, and B-sides. Good stuff. Bit of a rip off if you already had all the albums and the singles, and I believe John Deacon wasn't so happy about it, but it's a nice set. In 1988 all the albums were released on CD, and although I don't remember or know anything much about them, I believe they were full of flaws. In 1993-1994 we got the Digital Master Series. They were still full of flaws - remember that noticeable 'click' on Fat Bottomed Girls'? In 1995 we got that 'Pretty Cabinet' as it was dubbed by the Fan Club, with all the CDs pressed in gold colour picture discs. No B-sides, just the studio and live albums, with a hefty price tag at the time of something like £400 (that would be about £650 - £700 now). I felt this was a wasted opportunity. Did 1998 not see some kind of repackaging of the first 8 albums again on 'mini vinyl' CDs? The digital master series repackaged? Then in 2009 we got all the studio LPs (can't remember if we got the live albums) on black vinyl. Everyone at that time complained the pressings were of poor quality. 2008-2009 gave us those singles collection boxed sets, that looked like a great idea again, but somehow completely missed the mark. 2011 gave us the Bob Ludwig collection for the first time, and for some reason they decided to release both a 'standard' CD and a 'special edition' CD. Surely after all this time they could have just released the special edition ones and priced them sensibly? Now 2015 is giving us the studio collection vinyl box. This could have been so much better, they could have packaged all the live albums in it and just made it a 'complete works', with Live at the Bowl, Montreal Forum, Wembley, we could have even had Live Magic but I'd be happy to forego that particular pressing in any form. We could have had a couple of LPs of B-sides and bonuses, maybe even 12" remixes, and the lately reworked material that appears on 'Forever', and they could give us an officially sanctioned LP with the unreleased tracks that are all over the internet/ Whilst even this would be a flagrant re-issuing of readily available material, it would have felt more honest and fit that enormous price-tag better. I know that limited runs of vinyl are expensive to press but Universal is dripping with money. |
| Negative Creep 20.07.2015 11:29 |
Funny to see old Kes on the QOL forum "working" for QPL still, desperately telling everyone how limited this box set is and that'll it'll be worth loads because of the coloured vinyl aspect LOL. I somehow doubt it - these big boxsets aren't instant collectables any more - chances are if you were to re-sell you'd lose money. If it was very limited, why would they not state this to encourage early sales? I suspect as with all modern releases like this that there is no known print limit yet - they will see how many copies are pre-ordered first. It isn't in their interests to limit something like this below what they can realisticly sell up to Xmas - why would they?! We're probably talking tens of thousands of copies of this boxset worlwide. |
| Negative Creep 20.07.2015 11:33 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: Remastering the albums in 24/96 is a joke. Every mp3 player I have bought in the last few years supports 24/192. 24/96 was the standard for home audio 10 years ago now just about every new DAC will support 24/192. For professional Remastering a even higher bit rate should be used. If they wanted the "optimum quality" they should of remasted the albums in something like 32 bit/192 at a minimum.LOL. I'm not sure anyone is going to miss the additional tape hiss that 24/96 will cut off. And it's "should HAVE". |
| Rick 20.07.2015 12:13 |
I will wait for the mp3s to show up. I wonder what they have done with the sound this time. |
| Nitroboy 20.07.2015 13:05 |
Rick wrote: I will wait for the mp3s to show up. I wonder what they have done with the sound this time. All evidence points to this being the 2011 mix being put on vinyl. |
| Estranged 20.07.2015 13:28 |
Claudio_CQI wrote: The point is not if Innuendo was or was not recorded in DDD. The real problem was the poor mastering. There is a big big difference between the original release and the last remaster by Universal. Now there will be also better takes than the ones used so far! I'm thrilled to know.What?! The original 1991 issue blows away the 2011 remaster. The mix is what it is, muddy as f, but mastering wise, there's no contest at all. |
| people on streets 20.07.2015 15:15 |
Estranged wrote:I agree. The 1991 Dutch pressing sounds best.Claudio_CQI wrote: The point is not if Innuendo was or was not recorded in DDD. The real problem was the poor mastering. There is a big big difference between the original release and the last remaster by Universal. Now there will be also better takes than the ones used so far! I'm thrilled to know.What?! The original 1991 issue blows away the 2011 remaster. The mix is what it is, muddy as f, but mastering wise, there's no contest at all. |
| bucsateflon 20.07.2015 15:46 |
the dude 1366 wrote: The sacd's were a complete ripoff as they were mastered painfully loud.I don't agree, SACD are the best, sound wise for Queen albums, besides the DVD-A ANATO. They have the best dynamic range I ever heard and the volume levels are OK! + If I want to experience(listen) Queen on vinyl for the first time I wouldn't buy some old shitty LP full of scratches, clicks and full of distorsion in the high range. |
| Jimmy Dean 20.07.2015 21:13 |
I already pre-ordered the box on amazon.ca for 447CDN --> 236GBP or 367USD it's not cheap for us... it's just current economic woes that his recently devalued our dollar in comparison to the rest of the world. |
| Nitroboy 21.07.2015 07:01 |
bucsateflon wrote: If I want to experience(listen) Queen on vinyl for the first time I wouldn't buy some old shitty LP full of scratches, clicks and full of distorsion in the high range. Then buy an original vinyl that's in good condition. That's what I've done for a couple of vinyls. |
| e-man 21.07.2015 10:06 |
I'm tempted to buy the box, for a couple of reasons -none of my first pressings are near mint condition -the box set is a beauty it seems :) -even though any press release would brag about the product, it does seem that there's a lot of work done here, to ensure a high quality product I'm a bit sceptical about the analouge master - digital transfer - back to analouge medium route, but I don't think they would have done this if it wasn't the best solution It's been a while since I've played the 2009 onwards vinyls that were released in the latter EMI years, so I don't have any comparisons fresh in mind... |
| bucsateflon 21.07.2015 10:06 |
Then it would be to precious to play it... |
| e-man 21.07.2015 10:07 |
bucsateflon wrote:I'm still on the fence about the SACD, simply cause of the very mixed reviewsthe dude 1366 wrote: The sacd's were a complete ripoff as they were mastered painfully loud.I don't agree, SACD are the best, sound wise for Queen albums, besides the DVD-A ANATO. They have the best dynamic range I ever heard and the volume levels are OK! + If I want to experience(listen) Queen on vinyl for the first time I wouldn't buy some old shitty LP full of scratches, clicks and full of distorsion in the high range. some say they are great, others say they are way too loud which ones do you have, and which in your opinion offer the best upgrade compared to other cd versions (or indeed vinyl!) |
| people on streets 21.07.2015 13:27 |
e-man wrote: I'm a bit sceptical about the analouge master - digital transfer - back to analouge medium route, but I don't think they would have done this if it wasn't the best solution You're being naive. |
| The King Of Rhye 21.07.2015 13:53 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Did 1998 not see some kind of repackaging of the first 8 albums again on 'mini vinyl' CDs? The digital master series repackaged?That was the Crown Jewels box set! I actually had that back in the day...nothing all that special really, unless you just had to have the 'record sleeve' looking CD things, or the purple box... I remember it came with a form that you could mail out and they'd send you Brian May's "Retro Rock Special" cd, though, which I did :D I'm not sure, but I think it was a different remaster than the 91 Hollywood Records CDs.... |
| partsref 22.07.2015 18:08 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:I have that box. It's the 1998 masters. I love the mini-LP idea, but that set was poorly done - badly cut sleeves, alternate artwork, etc.miraclesteinway wrote: Did 1998 not see some kind of repackaging of the first 8 albums again on 'mini vinyl' CDs? The digital master series repackaged?That was the Crown Jewels box set! I actually had that back in the day...nothing all that special really, unless you just had to have the 'record sleeve' looking CD things, or the purple box... I remember it came with a form that you could mail out and they'd send you Brian May's "Retro Rock Special" cd, though, which I did :D I'm not sure, but I think it was a different remaster than the 91 Hollywood Records CDs.... |
| Day dop 22.07.2015 21:01 |
The exercise edition of Innuendo (where you have to keep getting up from your sofa every three tracks) is a little off putting. However, that's the best looking Queen II cover I've seen >> link |
| BETA215 22.07.2015 22:00 |
Day dop wrote: The exercise edition of Innuendo (where you have to keep getting up from your sofa every three tracks) is a little off putting. However, that's the best looking Queen II cover I've seen >> linkDoes somebody has a HQ scan of the cover or the picture? I would love to get it, it's so iconic and meaningful to me (due to personal reasons). |
| cmsdrums 23.07.2015 03:00 |
Day dop wrote: The exercise edition of Innuendo (where you have to keep getting up from your sofa every three tracks) is a little off putting. However, that's the best looking Queen II cover I've seen >> linkClick on the 'Queen Archive Edition; in that store link, and you'll see that you don't need to get up from your sofa, but for only £134.99 you can get up from your "collectable" (yes really) Innuendo themed deck chair. FFS...!!! Surely if they really HAVE to do a deckchair then 'Seaside Rendezvous' would be the obvious choice (or 'Brighton Rock')?!? |
| MercurialFreddie 24.07.2015 06:04 |
I thought that some of the tracks in the Singles Box Set (Esp. Vol. 3. & 4) were fabulous remastered (dynamic range, overall mix and balance between higher and lower register etc.) ? |
| rhapsody8 25.07.2015 00:57 |
BETA215 wrote:Is this enough?Day dop wrote: The exercise edition of Innuendo (where you have to keep getting up from your sofa every three tracks) is a little off putting. However, that's the best looking Queen II cover I've seen >> linkDoes somebody has a HQ scan of the cover or the picture? I would love to get it, it's so iconic and meaningful to me (due to personal reasons). link |
| brians wig 25.07.2015 03:29 |
e-man wrote: I'm still on the fence about the SACD, simply cause of the very mixed reviews some say they are great, others say they are way too loud which ones do you have, and which in your opinion offer the best upgrade compared to other cd versions (or indeed vinyl!)I've got them all and I've had a look at the wavforms of some of them and compared them to the wavforms of the remastered CDs. The forms look pretty much identical: the only difference is that the CDs go all the way up to 0db, but the SACDs are a lot lower. What I'm saying is that if you reduce the db level of the CD to -10, for example, the form looks pretty much the same as the SACD. Quite simply it's the same remaster on both formats, except the SACD is higher resolution and if you have decent speakers and an amp capable of playing hi-res audio, you can hear the difference. Don't get me wrong. You won't be blown away by the difference - it's subtle. It just sounds a bit more "open"/"wider"/"cleaner" (but that's to the ears of a 44 year old - if you're younger then you may get a bit more! LOL) Oh, and Hot Space sounds "loud" on both formats. |
| MadTheSwine73 25.07.2015 17:18 |
I'm not an expert with regards to analogue vs. digital (although I've always heard analogue is better), and I don't know much about frequency and plenty of other things that have been spoken about in this thread. However, I consider myself to be a big enough Queen fan, and although I'm glad a vinyl box is finally here, one thing that upsets me about this set is that it doesn't contain all of their released studio material. There's been a lot of comparison (earlier in the thread) to the Beatles in Stereo/Mono vinyl box sets that were released not too long ago, and both of them contain the wonderful Past Masters (Mono Masters for the mono set), that contains all the studio material that was released in some form other than on any of the UK studio LPs or Magical Mystery Tour. For years, I (and I'm sure many others) have been hoping for a Queen equivalent of this. Now, I know that most of the songs on Past Masters are popular Beatles songs (From Me To You, I Feel Fine, Get Back, Let It Be, etc.) and that can't be said for a possible Queen equivalent. However, one can still hope. I made a track listing in the same style as Past Masters (in chronological order) and it seems decent. I included the single edits for Flash, I Want To Break Free, and It's A Beautiful Day because I feel that of all the single edits, those 3 have the most significant differences to their studio LP counterparts. Although I didn't include the live B-sides from The Miracle 12" single, I included the live version of TSMGO with Elton John from 1997 since it was John Deacon's last performance. 1. Mad The Swine 2. See What A Fool I've Been 3. A Human Body 4. Flash (Single Version) 5. Soul Brother 6. I Go Crazy 7. I Want To Break Free (Single Version) 8. Machines (Instrumental) 9. Thank God It's Christmas 10. A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling 11. Forever 12. Hang On In There 13. Stealin' 14. Hijack My Heart 15. Chinese Torture 16. The Lost Opportunity 17. My Life Has Been Saved (1989 Version) 18. It's A Beautiful Day (Single Version) 19. Rock In Rio Blues 20. Queen Talks 21. The Show Must Go On (Live with Elton John, 1997) 22. No-One But You 23. I Can't Live With You (Rocks Retake) 24. Under Pressure (Rah Mix) It would have probably ended up being an extra 2 LPs, but I think it would have been worth it. Maybe if they didn't have Queen II as a double LP, this could have been more feasible. But either way, it's not gonna happen. |
| brians wig 25.07.2015 17:44 |
Well. I wouldn't have put Rock In Rio blues on there, but if the band ever re-released that track I hope to God they give it more than the milisecond of thought they gave the original release and actually fade it in and out this time. |
| LucasDiego 26.07.2015 09:43 |
With the past masters, why not release too a 12'' collection of the band, in 2CD My list: Back Chat (Extended), Staying Power (Extended), Radio Ga Ga (Extended), I Want To Break Free (Extended), It's A Hard Life (Extended), Hammer To Fall (Headbanger's Mix), Man On The Prowl (Extended), Keep Passing The Open Windows (Extended), One Vision (Extended), A Kind Of Magic (Extended), A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling (Extended), Friends Will Be Friends (Extended), Pain Is So Close To Pleasure (Extended), One Year Of Love (Extended), Breakthru (Extended), The Invisible Man (Extended), Scandal (Extended), Innuendo (Explosive Version), You Don't Fool Me (Late Mix), We Will Rock You (1991 remix), Under Pressure (2000 remix). |
| TomP63 26.07.2015 10:47 |
Oh no Lucas, please do not go for the horrible 1991 remix of We Will Rock You, it isn't called ruined for nothing....I'm hoping that the so-called vault may have a couple of unreleased extended versions. As happend with the Freddie Mercury Box, where out of nowhere the unreleased version of Foolin' Around appeared. And One Year of Love is an extended version which also came out of the blue.... Tom |
| brians wig 26.07.2015 13:10 |
TBH, the Innuendo Explosive mix is a waste of time too. Take off the stupid white noise at the end and what do you have? Oh yeah, the normal album version. But yes, a 12" set is long overdue as is the BBC Sessions set. Anything that's bloody obvious to Queen get's overlooked, but hey, why waste time and effort when they can release the LPs on vinyl again? Roll on 31st July for the last batch of Zep remasters. TWO CDs worth of extras on the last one, not 5 poxy tracks like we got with Queen. |
| The King Of Rhye 26.07.2015 22:04 |
cmsdrums wrote: Surely if they really HAVE to do a deckchair then 'Seaside Rendezvous' would be the obvious choice (or 'Brighton Rock')?!?Or maybe In The Lap of The Gods....or In The Chair Of The Gods? lol.....or a Modern Times Rocking Chair... |
| Maxïmo Razzamatazz 28.07.2015 03:43 |
For peeps in The Netherlands who are actually looking forward to this release (probably nowhere to be found around here): link Only 359 EUR, free shipping! That's a BIG difference compared to the Queen Online Store and the 90 EUR delivery charge I had to cough up... Cheers, MR |
| brians wig 28.07.2015 15:01 |
Some record stores are listing this as a Limited Edition. That term seems to be used a lot these days to pressure customers into pre-ordering at high prices rather than later when the price has dropped. I don't believe it of Queen anymore. Limited Edition means bugger all these days. |
| Day dop 29.07.2015 11:57 |
A question for you folks... If you were to choose one of the upcoming Queen Studio collection LPs, in order to see how the sound compares to previous releases/reissues (or the album that could be the strongest indicator that a good job has been done overall), which one would you go for, and why? |
| Pim Derks 29.07.2015 16:17 |
I love the look of the new Queen II with the black/white vinyl and the high-resolution artwork. Such a shame that one isn't sold separately. |
| Day dop 30.07.2015 06:12 |
Pim Derks wrote: I love the look of the new Queen II with the black/white vinyl and the high-resolution artwork. Such a shame that one isn't sold separately.You can pre-order any of the albums separately (black vinyl instead of coloured too). >>> link |
| MERQRY 31.07.2015 02:19 |
Pim Derks wrote: I love the look of the new Queen II with the black/white vinyl and the high-resolution artwork. Such a shame that one isn't sold separately.Talking about it... What they exactly mean with that "custom etching" b side of each black/white vinyl?? I'm talking about this: "For this new edition, the album has been cut on two separate discs, black and white, each with a custom etching on the reverse side, a nice bonus for collectors." |
| cmsdrums 31.07.2015 02:48 |
MERQRY wrote:I'm guessing the Queen Crest.....it'll be along the lines of the etched Scandal 12" single that had etched signatures on one side..Pim Derks wrote: I love the look of the new Queen II with the black/white vinyl and the high-resolution artwork. Such a shame that one isn't sold separately.Talking about it... What they exactly mean with that "custom etching" b side of each black/white vinyl?? I'm talking about this: "For this new edition, the album has been cut on two separate discs, black and white, each with a custom etching on the reverse side, a nice bonus for collectors." |
| musicland munich 31.07.2015 02:51 |
MERQRY wrote:Well it's an etching...you can feel it with your fingertips I guess.Pim Derks wrote: I love the look of the new Queen II with the black/white vinyl and the high-resolution artwork. Such a shame that one isn't sold separately.Talking about it... What they exactly mean with that "custom etching" b side of each black/white vinyl?? I'm talking about this: "For this new edition, the album has been cut on two separate discs, black and white, each with a custom etching on the reverse side, a nice bonus for collectors." |
| brians wig 04.08.2015 11:30 |
Can I just say that Amazon UK are crap. They STILL don't have it listed! |
| people on streets 17.10.2015 16:02 |
I ordered and recieved Innuendo 2LP + Made In Heaven 2 LP. My thoughts: - Innuendo. Great sleeve. The glossy foil, the gatefold, the print and the innersleeves. All are really well done. It's great to finally have this album in full lenght on vinyl. The pressing sounds good. I compared it too my mint- '91 german pressing and I have to say I prefer the recent 2015 version. -Made In Heaven. Like Innuendo, it's great to finally have the full lenght album on vinyl. This edition sounds nice as well. The artwork, however, could have been better. The outer sleeve is made of a different paper compared to the original 1995 release. The 1995 release has this semi glossy cardboard. The 2015 doesn't have this. Also, the posters in the 1995 release are printed on thick paper. The 2015 version uses a much thinner paper. In the middle, where the poster is folded, it shows a clear almost white fold line while the 1995 release didn't have this. The 2015 innersleeves are nice, but again, the 1995 one is better (apart from the spelling errors) To sum it up: -Both LPs sound nice and are an improvement compared to the originals sound quality wise. -The Innuendo artwork/sleeve/inners are superb. Way better than the original. -The Made In Heaven ones aren't. The 1995 release has better quality sleeves and posters. |
| strangefrontier 18.10.2015 09:24 |
Finally getting round to posting my thoughts on this set. Even though I am a collector of vinyl I didn't decide to order this due to the price until the day before release. I'm not going to review the sound quality as I plan not to play the set. My overall impression is that the set has been very well done although there are a few flaws as I had expected. I wasn't expecting the box or contents to arrive mint either as it's been very hard to get a mint record and sleeve either in shop or through the post for many a year although some suppliers are better than others and can achieve this. As others have mentioned the box is too small to house the book and vinyl without causing damage to the sleeves and inner notes. Once you have looked at everything and placed the vinyl back in the box and given them space to breathe there is no room for the book. This is a design flaw. The book itself is nice and there are a few new pics of recently discovered original lyrics on display that were discovered only last year. The gold box itself is nice with embossed Queen logo but the slipcase is flimsy. The overall quality of the sleeves is good and as mentioned already Innuendo is excellent as is Queen 2. The shocker for me is The Miracle which has a very poor reproduction for me...almost like a cheap bootleg reproduction. It was a good idea to put them in resealable sleeves though and I wasn't expecting this. As for the vinyl, there was more translucent discs than I was expecting although the overall quality of colour distribution if held up to light is very poor. I have based this on comparing past translucent discs such as the Japanese Live Killers and French News of The World which are perfect and make the ones in this box look very poor in comparison. I also compared them to non Queen coloured vinyls which are all perfectly clear with no swirls of colour. My edition of The Game has the same melt effect look but make no mistake that it is not intentional and is merely very poor colouring of the vinyl during the production process. Even the lovely yellow vinyl of Flash Gordon has small imperfections in it and as a rule of thumb the darker the coloured vinyl the better it looks. The mirrored Game sleeves looks excellent though. The worst discs in my opinion is the Made In Heaven 2nd almost clear disc and the best probably the blue from disc 1 of the same album. I'll let others comment on the sound as I never play my vinyl except for the additional copies of anything I buy but obviously can't afford 2 of these babies. On appearance alone and quality of the reproduction of the the vinyl and sleeves I don't regret this purchase and would rate it 8/10. Where to buy it from...well that needs a separate post but my advice is avoid using queenonline / digital stores. |
| Jimmy Dean 22.10.2015 23:03 |
There's a whole discussion about the quality of the box here: link |
| The Nosuch Disco 26.10.2015 05:30 |
Hey folks, It seems link are selling the coloured vinyls individually. I've not seen that anywhere else. Just in case anyone is interested. |
| user1 26.10.2015 11:03 |
On amazon.it the whole box set is just EUR 299 at the moment! link |
| Rami 26.10.2015 12:31 |
Thank you very much for the information, user1! |
| people on streets 27.10.2015 11:02 |
user1 wrote: On amazon.it the whole box set is just EUR 299 at the moment! linkThanks for the info! Good price |
