| Saint Jiub 06.05.2015 20:03 |
No apology from me ... link ... |
| mooghead 07.05.2015 16:14 |
"Deflategate's Textgate: Pats staffers' texts paint picture of Brady's role" It is like someone has leant on the keyboard...?!!?!? |
| The King Of Rhye 07.05.2015 20:00 |
Ah, the true legacy of the Nixon administration: The creation of the suffix "-gate" to denote a scandal! :p |
| thomasquinn 32989 08.05.2015 03:52 |
That does rank among the Nixon-administration's least damaging legacies. |
| brENsKi 10.05.2015 16:20 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: That does rank among the Nixon-administration's least damaging legacies.not really. esp when you consider that that one "gate" was the only one that ever counted. i'd say impeachment is anything but "least damaging" as regards Panchgani and his fixation with the Patriots (he did make similar comments three months or so ago) - i'd suggest he's a fan of a hugely inferior team, and therefore choking on his own jealously. haters gonna hate eh? |
| Saint Jiub 10.05.2015 20:10 |
I recall someone demanding an apology WHEN (not if) the Patriots were absolved of all wrongdoing. Well it looks like the demanded apology is not needed... There seems to be a lot of jealous people who are fans of an inferior team, as virtually everyone outside of Boston is glad that New England will at least get a slap on the wrist. |
| brENsKi 11.05.2015 07:54 |
Panchgani wrote: I recall someone demanding an apology WHEN (not if) the Patriots were absolved of all wrongdoing. Well it looks like the demanded apology is not needed... There seems to be a lot of jealous people who are fans of an inferior team, as virtually everyone outside of Boston is glad that New England will at least get a slap on the wrist.think you're counting your chickens a little early there, pilgrim. i'm not saying you're NOT right - just NOT right yet. there's still things to be resolved. Brady can afford good legal support (if he wants to make it personal) - his Agent has already suggested where this could be going next and he (Brady) was head of the players' collective bargaining unit ...so he will have plenty of players' union support. Nothing anywhere in the Wells' Report has said he did it. because Wells' organisation are noddy-dogs who produce a report without any factual evidence - time and again for the NFL. think about this: 1] the Ref Walt Anderson is apparently above reproach - so he says the balls were correct when he last saw them, but cannot produce anything to say exactly what the weights/pressures were - yet his word is good enough 2] Brady gives evidence for 1½ days and not a word of his evidence is printed make no mistake, the NFL will hit Brady hard - and it won't be because of guilt/factual evidence - it'll be because Goodell's tenure with the league is on thin ice and he has to be seen to strong. so it's ok to issue a punishment without proven guilt. The NFL must be so proud. agenda? maybe just a little |
| brENsKi 11.05.2015 16:51 |
well as i said above - they hit him hard: 4 game suspension and team get $1m fine, plus 1st rnd pick in 2016 and 4th rnd pick in 2017. this just got interesting the "no Brady, no banner" campaign could embarrass the NFL on opening day. and make no mistake - he/and the club will definitely appeal/sue |
| The King Of Rhye 12.05.2015 07:16 |
brENsKi wrote: well as i said above - they hit him hard: 4 game suspension and team get $1m fine, plus 1st rnd pick in 2016 and 4th rnd pick in 2017. this just got interesting the "no Brady, no banner" campaign could embarrass the NFL on opening day. and make no mistake - he/and the club will definitely appeal/sueThat really surprised me! Guess the NFL wants people to know they aint messing around..........something I just thought of: who gets that pick? Someone has to, right? |
| musicland munich 12.05.2015 12:02 |
Wonder how long you get banned for using steroids ( snicker snicker)... |
| brENsKi 12.05.2015 16:31 |
...or more importantly - spousal abuse /child beating...and other more serious offences read on Ray Rice The offense: Assault on now-wife Janay Rice.The punishment: Two-game suspension, upped to an indefinite ban after release of video footage of incident. Rice won an appeal and was reinstated on Dec. 1. Adrian Peterson The offense: Child abuse. The punishment: Indefinite suspension by Vikings, upheld by the league, Peterson was later reinstated. The Cleveland Browns The offense: General manager sent text messages in-game to team sideline personnel. The punishment: GM Ray Farmer fined four games, team fined $250,000 The Atlanta Falcons The offense: Pumping fake crowd noise into the Georgia Dome. The punishment: Loss of fifth-round draft pick in 2016, team fined $350,000, Falcons president Rich McKay out as NFL’s spokesperson for the competition committee. Ben Roethlisberger The offense: Sexual assault allegations in 2010. The punishment: Six games. and finally, just for comparison sake: The Minnesota Vikings The offense: Vikings sideline attendants last season heated game balls during a cold November game.The punishment: League warned teams of the rule prohibiting such acts. Caroline Panthers (also) Last season, The Offence: were caught, on a cold day, using sideline heaters to warm up footballs - punishment: warned by League. compare the above to: Tom Brady the offence: "being aware that footballs were tampered with" (unproven). banned 4 games, team fined £1m, fined 1st Rnd draft pick 2016 and 4th rnd draft pick 2017. |
| Saint Jiub 12.05.2015 19:23 |
Patriot's coach Bill Belacheat - Fined $500,000 for Spygate in 2007. ... Regardless of ones opinion as to whether the punishment fits the crime, the evidence againts Brady looks very damning ... link "Wells specifically mentioned two series of text exchanges between officials' locker room attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski. In one, McNally referred to himself as "the Deflator" and joked about going to ESPN. In another, Jastremski mentioned speaking to Brady the previous night, saying the quarterback knew McNally was stressed out by needing to deflate the balls." |
| brENsKi 14.05.2015 11:45 |
link |
| Saint Jiub 14.05.2015 13:22 |
link |
| brENsKi 14.05.2015 16:28 |
i can see yo're not going to give up are you? so consider this. if someone said that "you were more probably than not aware of a crime being committed" 1] were you actually aware? 2] can this be proved? 3] what crime have you committed? answer honestly |
| Saint Jiub 14.05.2015 23:05 |
If I was framed for a crime I did not commit, and I could not provide decent evidence of my innocence, I would probably give up. I believe the American justice system is not about justice but rather about who has the better lawyer, and I would be loathe to further fund the misguided American legal system with more taxpayer dollars in a futile attempt to defend myself. However, calling Deflategate a crime is a bit harsh. I liken Deflategate to more like falsifying a resume. Someone who gets caught falsifying a resume likely will not go to jail, but he will have difficulty finding a job. Similarly, a student caught cheating on a college entrance exam would be unlikely to go to jail, but unable to attend a decent college if the cheating became common knowledge to the general public. I believe Brady has not committed a crime, but that he has cheated and purposely broken NFL rules. The "deflator" texts in the Time article I noted are not likely to be about dieting to lose body fat (as ridiculously claimed by defense lawyers). These texts were weeks or months before the Indy game, and I believe that the texts strongly implicate that Brady pressured McNally to break NFL rules. Given that Deflategate is cheating rather than a crime, I do not think that the evidence needs to be perfect to justify suspending Brady for 2 or 4 games. |
| brENsKi 15.05.2015 07:40 |
as it's obvious you DO NOT intend to answer the question the way it was worded, let's make it EXACTLY the same as the given situation - you do realise that your agenda is all-too-clear "haters gonna hate" so consider this. if someone said that "you were more probably than not aware of rules being broken" 1] does this confirm that you were actually aware? 2] can this be proven? 3] does this make you guilty? answer honestly and specifically, please - using simple YES and NO answers. no explanations no hypothesis... YES and NO will more than suffice. |
| Saint Jiub 15.05.2015 10:14 |
100% confirmation - NO ~90% confirmation (beyond reasonable doubt) - NO (USA criminal law) 51% confirmation (preponderance of evidence) - YES (USA civil law) |
| brENsKi 15.05.2015 10:49 |
Panchgani wrote: 100% confirmation - NO ~90% confirmation (beyond reasonable doubt) - NO (USA criminal law) 51% confirmation (preponderance of evidence) - YES (USA civil law)you're astounding human being, and NOBODY here would EVER want you presiding on a jury over their case. innocent until proven guilty, unless in Marsupial Court of Panchgani eh? think about it 100% you were not aware + 90% that it can't be proven = 51% guilty? how in the name of fuck can YOU claim to have a functioning, reasoning brain? you have clearly - beyond all doubt shown your true colours - your agenda is one of anti-Patriots, enjoy it only time will tell how this whole thing pans out...but you sir, are beyond reason (even your own reasoning) |
| Saint Jiub 15.05.2015 11:33 |
brENsKi wrote: 100% you were not aware + 90% that it can't be proven = 51% guilty?Nice equation. How did you derive that? |
| Saint Jiub 15.05.2015 11:42 |
link 100% confirmation - NO to all 3 questions ~90% confirmation (beyond reasonable doubt) - NO to all 3 questions (USA criminal law) 51% confirmation (preponderance of evidence) - YES to all 3 questions (USA civil law) "you were more probably than not aware of rules being broken" = 51 % confirmation In your 100% perfect world Brady would be found "Not Guilty" In a criminal case, Brady would probably be found "Not Guilty" In a civil case, Brady would probably be found "Guilty" |
| The King Of Rhye 15.05.2015 13:08 |
Just a random thought here....I bet if we really looked into every team in every sport we'd find a LOT of this kind of stuff going on......not that it's exactly what we're talking about here, but I've heard all kinds of stories about baseball teams doing all kinds of screwy things..... |
| brENsKi 16.05.2015 03:43 |
Just remember Mr Panchgani, I said earlier that you clearly had an agenda
brENsKi wrote:you do realise that your agenda is all-too-clear "haters gonna hate"- and these two posts (below) shows you do:- Panchgani wrote:Patriot's coach Bill Belacheat - Fined $500,000 for Spygate in 2007. Panchgani wrote: In your 100% perfect world Brady would be found "Not Guilty" In a criminal case, Brady would probably be found "Not Guilty" In a civil case, Brady would probably be found "Guilty"you dismiss the questions asked because your fixation is based on Patriots-hating and petty jealousy. your Patriots hate is all-consuming...and you love hating the Patriots more than your love your own pathetic team. idiotic or what? - so much so that you cite (as evidence) biased newpapers reports with no actual evidence included. - my guess? you're a New York Jest Fan. But for the record I never asked you about Brady....i asked whether "You" would be guilty. If YOU can't discuss things by answering the actual questions asked, then you haven't the intelligence to digest,assess and discuss what minimal actual evidence has been disclosed. brENsKi wrote: so consider this. if someone said that "you were more probably than not aware of rules being broken" 1] does this confirm that you were actually aware? 2] can this be proven? 3] does this make you guilty? YES and NO will more than suffice. |
| Saint Jiub 16.05.2015 13:08 |
Panchgani wrote: 51% confirmation (preponderance of evidence) - YES to all 3 questions (USA civil law) "you were more probably than not aware of rules being broken" = 51 % confirmationI already answered your questons. |
| brENsKi 19.05.2015 16:28 |
and now that Robert Kraft has said the Patriots will not appeal the £1m fine and 2 draft-picks penalty...where do you think that leaves the Brady 4-game suspension? let me put something forward here: I think the NFL are 100% sure that Brady will not only appeal his suspension, but also sue the NFL for defamation - as their "findings" are not based on any actual evidence. on that basis, i think Kraft's "agreement" today is based on an "understanding" that Brady's suspension is done away with on appeal |
| Saint Jiub 19.05.2015 20:07 |
Does Goodell recuse himself from the appeal because of an "understanding"? If he does not recuse himself, how will Goodell spin his about-face to completely drop the suspension? |
| brENsKi 20.05.2015 08:07 |
Panchgani wrote: Does Goodell recuse himself from the appeal because of an "understanding"? If he does not recuse himself, how will Goodell spin his about-face to completely drop the suspension?i would've thought that dropping the suspension is the easy bit: 1] appeals are won on the basis of lack of evidence - there is NO evidence at all to directly link Brady to ball-deflation. 2] Wells "leaked" confidential aspects of the report post publication when he was asked about the Patriots' counter claims - this is a breach of protocol - and can be seen to directly prejudice the outcome of any subsequent appeal 3] King did NOT have any authority under the CBA to issue punishments - which effectively makes Brady's punishment illegal, which in turn makes it easy to erase. 4] there were NO ACTUAL pre-game PSI recordings taken. Referee - Walt Anderson f**ked up - yet his word is taken as good enough? How could they state balls had deflated by fixed amount - when they don't actually know what pressure they were inflated to? 5] the half-time measurements taken recorded two different figures for EVERY ball - it was later acknowledged (by the NFL) that ONE GAUGE was not recording correctly (coincidentally- the one that produced the figures with the critical discrepancies) - yet BOTH measurements are included in the Wells' Report. This makes the whole basis of the report invalid. Goodell maintains some face by 1] keeping the fine/draft picks penalty against the team in place 2] increasing the existing tariff of £25k fine threshold against any future breaches of this rule 3] put more robust systems in place FWIW: I reckon it'll go like this: 1] Brady appeal will be heard and his four-game ban will be either [a] expunged or reduced to 1 game 2] If , Brady will sue NFL on basis of defamation and that ban is illegal - as no evidence links him directly to deflations. 3] Court case will get scheduled for late August and get heard at that time. Result of court case will be disclosed AFTER week 1 of 2015 season opener, thereby Brady plays for defending SB champs in week 1 opener vs Pittsburgh. Goodell gets his marquee opener with BOTH star QBs present. 4] Brady 1-game ban upheld and suspension served either against Buffalo (sept 20th) or Jacksonville (sept 27th) |
| Saint Jiub 20.05.2015 20:56 |
Goodell confirmed today that the appeal will still proceed The whole "understanding" can still fall apart. Will Brady and the NFLPA accept this understanding, particularly if the suspension is reduced to a one game suspension rather than expunged? ... Your statement of "there is NO evidence at all to directly link Brady to ball-deflation" forgets "the two poor schlubs the Patriots suspended" ... link ... "Most notably, Kraft refused comment when asked why the Patriots felt the need to suspend ball attendants John Jastremski and Jim McNally if they did nothing wrong. Sorry. This is a pretty big stepping stone in the Patriots’ leap to convincing the public that they had no hands in the matter. By now, perhaps Jastremski and McNally are on a golf course in Hawaii with old friend Matt Walsh of Spygate fame, never to be heard from again. But if Kraft is looking for the "smoking gun," it indeed resides with these two nitwits, a factor that the Patriots lawyers likely knew in not allowing McNally to speak with Wells’ investigation a second, fourth, or however many times each side wants to claim this week." |
| brENsKi 21.05.2015 07:34 |
Panchgani wrote: Your statement of "there is NO evidence at all to directly link Brady to ball-deflation" forgets "the two poor schlubs the Patriots suspended" "Most notably, Kraft refused comment when asked why the Patriots felt the need to suspend ball attendants John Jastremski and Jim McNally if they did nothing wrong.you fail to grasp how employment law works. where an investigation is held into work-place wrongdoing it is standard practice to suspend employees on full pay. this is then followed by either a return to work or dismissal - depending upon the outcome. you're playing your silly game again of assuming guilt based on "perceived reasons" - because you somehow think the suspensions were underhand - but your comments (so far) in this thread show that you are incapable of formulating an opinion based on anything other than your hatred for a team. don't really want to engage with you any further on this - let's agree to disagree and wait n see how things unfold |
| musicland munich 24.05.2015 20:59 |
link The way I see it :) |
| brENsKi 25.05.2015 16:31 |
musicland munich wrote: link The way I see it :)nice one. in a succinct reply you managed to sum up perfectly the farcical approach the NFL have taken to this...and the childish approach of teams like the Colts and the Ravens....sir, you're a legend |
| Saint Jiub 25.05.2015 18:18 |
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| brENsKi 26.05.2015 11:32 |
edit - dbl post |
| brENsKi 26.05.2015 11:32 |
Panchgani wrote: linkthat alone proves that you're nothing but a jealous hate-ridden sub-normal baiter.... without any doubt at all you're a fan of a loser-classless team - probably JESTs or FISH and it also underlines why my decision to stop debating the appeal/case with you is 100% the right thing to do. you cannot have meaningful discourse/debate with a moron... and you are bearing all the attributes of an A* moron much nicer (and less willing to argue with you) people than me - have had some fallouts with you here...you really do behave like a moron of the first order. go home - your village has been missing you |
| brENsKi 16.06.2015 11:15 |
http://www.inquisitr.com/2169825/new-england-patriots-rumors-wells-report/ The latest “Deflategate” rumors around the New England Patriots center around a new study by a respected Washington think-tank, the American Enterprise Institute, that could lead to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell throwing out the four-game suspension against the Patriots future Hall of Fame quarterback, Tom Brady. But critics of the Wells Report, including the Patriots themselves in their own study titled The Wells Report In Context, argue that Wells made serious errors, and the Patriots footballs used in the AFC Championship game against the Indianapolis Colts were not deflated at all — at least, not deliberately by human hands. The study by AEI — a research institute devoted largely to conservative political causes — is the first truly independent, full analysis of the Deflategate controversy, because AEI was not hired either by the NFL or the New England Patriots to carry out the study. “We have no financial stake in the outcome of Deflategate,” the report’s authors made clear. An earlier AEI report on the New Orleans Saints “Bountygate” scandal played a part in the tossing aside of several suspensions in that case. “Contrary to the report, the significant difference between the changes in pressure of the two teams’ balls was not because the pressure of the Patriots balls was too low,” the AEI researchers wrote in a New York Times summary of their findings, “but because that of the Colts balls was too high.” The entire AEI report may be downloaded in PDF format at this link. While Goodell refused a request by the NFL Players Association to step aside from Brady’s appeal hearing, set for June 23, he also said that “my mind is open” and that he could be persuaded by “new information or evidence.” “Goodell will have to admit that he hired an investigator who did a poor job. Which would mean that Goodell did a poor job in hiring Ted Wells,” wrote NFL expert Mike Florio of the NBC-owned Pro Football Talk site. “Which could mean that Goodell will give no credence to the findings of AEI.” While it’s all just rumors and speculation at this point, after June 23 the New England Patriots should know whether they will have Tom Brady on the field when September 10 rolls around as they open the NFL season against the Pittsburgh Steelers. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-i-abrams/the-end-of-deflategate_b_7588112.html The End of Deflategate Posted: 06/15/2015 2:45 pm EDT Updated: 06/15/2015 4:59 pm EDT As Tiger Woods once said, "Sensationalism sells: Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story." A Patriots conspiracy was a good story. The media never let the facts get in the way. Troy Vincent, the NFL's Executive VP of Football Operations, did likewise and suspended future Hall of Fame quarterback Tom Brady for one quarter of the 2015 football season. Assuming someone actually read the entire Wells Report, its legalistic parts focused the attention of readers on the quantum of proof issue under the NFL Rules. It correctly applied the appropriate "preponderance of the evidence" standard, although it ultimately reached a conclusion that was less than resounding. Tom Brady, the Report said, was "at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities" of locker room attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski. The Deflategate controversy comes to a welcomed conclusion on June 23 when Commissioner Goodell will receive evidence presented by Tom Brady's attorney, Jeff Kessler. American Enterprise Institute, the Washington-based, right-wing think tank. The AEI's full report is available online, but its conclusion is the equivalent of a completed 75-yard Hail Mary pass. The AEI, which certainly has no political agenda in this football dispute, concludes that the Wells Report is "deeply flawed." Anyone who read the Wells Report and the Goldberg response had already reached that conclusion. What is particularly telling about the AEI's study is that it offers an alternate explanation for the actual facts. As readers of a certain age certainly remember, Deep Throat advised Woodward and Bernstein to "follow the money." Regarding the Deflategate contretemps, the more appropriate maxim is to "follow the science." The science in the Wells Report is unsound. That is exactly what Patriots owner Bob Kraft told the press back in January after he consulted with a Nobel Prize winner on the faculty of M.I.T. Commissioner Goodell might need a neutral expert to explain the methodology used by the various scientists who are involved in this scrum, but his ultimate conclusion, if he actually approaches the appeal with an open mind, is clear "beyond a reasonable doubt." The AEI Report explains that the deflation of the footballs used by the Patriots in the first half of the American Conference Championship game was the result of the difference in temperature in the locker room and out on the field. "The Patriots balls were measured at the start of halftime, whereas the Colts balls were measured at the end of halftime, after sufficient time had passed for the balls to warm up and return to their pregame pressure." There is no direct or circumstantial evidence that the Patriots intentionally deflated the footballs below the limit set by the NFL rules. The NFL cannot be blamed for the trap that the rival team set for the Patriots during the January playoff game. The Commissioner, however, has to find a way out of this mess. He need not blame Ted Wells, who had served his client well. He need not chastise Troy Vincent for the four-game suspension of the NFL's golden boy. He need only blame the science and conclude that it is insufficient to support any suspension. He can save face by imposing a fine on QB12 for not fully cooperating with the NFL's investigation by not supplying his cell phone. Any other outcome would add another self-imposed scar on the NFL's reputation and an unwarranted blemish on the reputation of one of the game premier competitors. |
| brENsKi 16.06.2015 11:24 |
link link empt to have his four-game suspension reduced, you’re wrong. ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio combed through the four-page letter the NFL Players Association sent to executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent, and Paolantonio said it is clear that Brady is seeking for the suspension to be completely overturned. “In talking to people who are close to this situation, Brady wants the entire suspension removed and he wants to be exonerated,” he explained Tuesday. “He feels he has done nothing wrong. And if you listen to Bob Kraft, it’s pretty clear that they believe they will have Tom Brady for the (Week 1) Thursday night opener.” In addition to attacking the Ted Wells report, Brady’s representatives will also point to the fact that the NFL’s game day operations manual calls for a base fine of $25,000 for tampering with game balls. That fine would be against the team, not an individual player. Based on what Brady makes in salary, a four-game suspension would equate to a fine of more than $1.8 million. Robert Kraft recently stopped short of ruling Brady out for Week 1, which is what you would expect him to do before the appeal has been heard. But, as I mentioned before, it’s hard to escape the feeling that Kraft and Roger Goodell — who is hearing the appeal — worked out some sort of deal before Kraft agreed to accept the team’s Deflategate punishment. Plus, did Brady look like he was concerned about his future when he was lighting the dance floor on fire at Kraft’s Super Bowl ring party over the weekend? Week 1 is not out of the question for the reigning Super Bowl MVP. |
| *goodco* 29.07.2015 11:03 |
4 game suspension upheld. I would prefer they use an arbitrator, since 'GODell' was judge and jury over a case that he applied the punishment for. Still....Brady shot himself in the foot regarding the phone business. This, and their 'ineligible receiver' stuff (first item discussed and changed at the rules meetings) once again shine an unfavorable light on their organization. btw...I am a Ravens fan. I'm also originally from Michigan, so I've always liked, or at least admired and respected Brady. Still waiting for the 'truth' in this whole matter. |
| The King Of Rhye 29.07.2015 22:20 |
*goodco* wrote: I'm also originally from Michigan, so I've always liked, or at least admired and respected Brady.Yeah, me too. My brother, who's as much of a Michigan fan as I am, has this weird dislike of him though....I think he's just sick of him and the Patriots winning as much as they have....lol Best 6th round draft pick of all time? |
| matt z 30.07.2015 07:21 |
Wow. You fuqqers are some serious American Football fans. Fuck Brady and the team. They got caught. I've always heard: if you're not cheating, you're not trying. But this is embarrassing. Trying to appeal results. It's partly the NFLs fault for having poor regulations |
| The King Of Rhye 31.07.2015 11:53 |
matt z wrote: Wow. You fuqqers are some serious American Football fans. Fuck Brady and the team. They got caught. I've always heard: if you're not cheating, you're not trying. But this is embarrassing. Trying to appeal results. It's partly the NFLs fault for having poor regulationsPretty much any player that gets caught doing something or accused of doing something ALWAYS appeals their suspension.... I've heard stories (revealed years after the fact of course) of teams and players doing stuff like that and getting away with it, so it wouldnt surprise me at all if a lot of this kinda thing was going on. |
| brENsKi 02.08.2015 10:18 |
i bet Panchgani is jiizzng his pants at the latest "upheld" decision. but it ain't over yet fact is (and something that Panchgani refuses to acknowledge) that Patriots may have been singled out for thing other teams have already admitted doing and getting $25k fines for. how does $1m, 3 draft picks, and your QB being suspended for four games measure out to this? San Diego's Kicker did the self same thing and got a $25 fine... the NFL is pissed with its own power, because even if Brady did this - max fine is $25k yet he somehow gets a four-game unpaid suspension for something (yet to be) proven...astounding democracy Goodell, you f*ckwit footnote: ex-NYJ kicker Jay Feely was present at NY court hearing this week to give evidence that he was directly aware/involved in tampering with ball-pressure while playing for the Jets (2009). and, despite evidence that proved his involvement - no punishment was even considered |
| brENsKi 03.09.2015 10:05 |
I wonder what Mr Panchgani will have to say? Tom Brady will be under center for the Patriots' season opener next Thursday. The ruling, handed down by U.S. District Judge Richard Berman on Thursday morning, nullified the four-game suspension levied against the Patriots quarterback back on May 11 when Ted Wells, an independent investigator hired by the NFL, asserted Brady's connection to deflated footballs used in the AFC Championship Game this past season. The decision came after multiple attempts at settlement between Brady, his council, the NFL Players Association and the NFL. On Monday, Berman dismissed both sides after just a few minutes after realizing they were too far apart to reach a settlement. There is no word yet on whether the NFL will file an appeal. Eliminating Brady's suspension saves Patriots head coach Bill Belichick from dealing with the largest statistical drop off between starting quarterbacks in consecutive seasons since 1950. It also saves him from using another starter besides Brady for the first time since 2008, when Brady tore his ACL in the season-opener. The ruling is a clear victory for Brady, who had considered accepting a one-game suspensionaccording to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport. But Brady did not want to accept any responsibility for the findings of the Wells Report, and in the end he didn't have to. The defending Super Bowl champions can now put yet another difficult offseason behind them. |
| brENsKi 03.09.2015 10:43 |
the summation: (A) Inadequate Notice of Discipline and Misconduct (B) Commissioner Goodell Improperly Denied Brady the Opportunity to Examine Designated Co-Lead Investigator Jeff Pash (C) Commissioner Goodell Improperly Denied Brady Equal Access to Investigative Files a) Brady argues that Commissioner Goodell was "evidently partial" within the meaning of contending, among other things, that "a central ground of [his] appeal was the issue of Goodell improperly delegating to Vincent his exclusive authority to discipline players for conduct detrimental to the NFL b) Brady argues that "Goodell purports to sustain the suspension on factual conclusions that Brady participated in ball tampering- but those factual conclusions [that "Mr. Brady knew about, approved of, consented to, and provided inducements and rewards in support of a scheme by which, with Mr. Jastremski's support, Mr. McNally tampered with the game balls"] appear nowhere in the Wells Report and were not the basis for the discipline imposed by Vincent." Brady contends that "Judge Doty's ruling in Peterson makes clear than an Article 46 arbitrator lacks CBA authority to justifY discipline on a basis not found in the discipline being appealed c) Brady also argues that "prior to serving as hearing officer, the Commissioner publicly lauded the reliability of the Wells Report [which was conducted by NFL retained counsel]- the issue at the very heart of Brady's appeal." This "locked him into supporting the Wells Report and rendered him incapable of reaching a contrary conclusion in Brady's appeal, as doing so would undermine his own competency as Commissioner." Id. VI. Conclusion & Order For the reasons stated herein, the Management Council's motion to confirm the arbitration award [ECF No.4] is denied and the Players Association's motion to vacate the arbitration award [ECF No. 28] is granted. Brady's four-game suspension is vacated, effective immediately. The Clerk is respectfully requested to close cases 15 Civ. 5916 and 15 Civ. 5982. Dated: New York, New York September 3, 2015 |
| Saint Jiub 03.09.2015 13:39 |
brENsKi wrote: i bet brENsKi is jiizzng his pants at the latest decision. but it ain't over yet |
| brENsKi 03.09.2015 16:08 |
Panchgani wrote:nice lazy edit fella.brENsKi wrote: i bet brENsKi is jiizzng his pants at the latest decision. but it ain't over yet your reply was as piss-poor as the NFL's case against Brady eh? best in future that you pick fights you have a chance of winning. it shows beyond all doubt that your judgment (such as it is) is clouded by your Patriots-Hate. because even a blind man could see the NFL's case was ridiculous in EVERY aspect...ironic that (thankfully) the only sensible/reasoned/objective person in New York is Judge Berman. you backed the wrong horse fella...but then JEST/FISH fans have been doing that for 15-straight years haven't they (you)? - if your team spent HALF of their Patriot-Hate energy on actually playing football, the the AFC east might not be such a cakewalk. |
| Saint Jiub 03.09.2015 19:07 |
Why would one destroy one cell phone , but keep the other old cell phone intact? link |
| brENsKi 04.09.2015 07:44 |
Panchgani wrote: Why would one destroy one cell phone , but keep the other old cell phone intact? link |
| brENsKi 04.09.2015 07:46 |
Check your facts: Brady was asked to hand over his phone, he offered that they read text messages in front of him, in order that personal info - photos, phone numbers etc did not fall into the wrong hands. NFL declined actually saying they didn't need the phone. so Brady disposed of the phone. THEN the NFL accused him of witholding evidence. stop being a moron. i told you from day 1 - the NFL had no legal right to do what they did. and thus fairness and reason have prevailed over meglo-maniacs and haters (like yourself) 1] if person X commits an offence or breaks the rules, and person Y is "believed to be generally aware" of this crime...person Y has not committed an offence/broken any rules. 2] the NFL have NEVER previously sanctioned anyone for " (unproved) general awareness" 3] regardless of what YOU believe - belief is NOT fact 4] the underlying tenet of the CBA is that is will "always be administered fairly" - this NFL witch hunt was anything but fair 5] people like you who relentlessly bang a pointless "hate/jealousy-filled" drum will never be objective. 6] if this were one of YOUR teams players - you'd be shouting "witch hunt" - which makes you a hypocrite 7]Roger Goodell convened an "appeal" for Brady and headed up the appeal with himself as "independent Arbitrator" - Goodell being the very person who hired the investigator and "punishment administrators in the first place. How can you possibly be independent if you're overseeing the report you paid for? 8] Brady's counsel were not allowed access to question anyone involved in the original findings. 9] no ball measurements (at kickoff time) were ever recorded. ALL were taken on verbally on the say-so of Walt Anderson. for the love of sanity, will YOU please give it up, let it go...or are you happy for the NFL to waste another $10m on an appeal? - just because it's a team YOU don't like? |
| Saint Jiub 04.09.2015 15:37 |
http://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-explains-why-he-destroyed-his-cellphone-2015-7 Perhaps I am a disgruntled Ravens fan: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck-blog/bal-the-strange-logic-of-the-deflategate-ruling-20150904-story.html |
| brENsKi 04.09.2015 15:46 |
Panchgani wrote: Perhaps I am a disgruntled Ravens fan:or just a very sore loser |
| Saint Jiub 04.09.2015 17:31 |
dbl post |
| Saint Jiub 04.09.2015 17:31 |
Perhaps you should remove your home team rose colored glasses and look outside of Boston for your news coverage. Instead you glorify terrific Tom and Belacheat, ignore the Patriots 15 year history of questionable integrity, and proclaim the Patriots' are innocent of any wrong doing (or claim everyone cheats). http://www.sportsdebateuniverse.com/blog/2015/08/should-tom-brady-be-investigated-for-perjury/ link |
| Saint Jiub 04.09.2015 18:42 |
Definitely not written in Boston: link link link link link link link link link link link link link link link |
| brENsKi 04.09.2015 20:55 |
Panchgani wrote: some sad pathetic list of sad pathetic journos' ramblingsyou have far too much time on your hands fella. I let you have you mad ramblings early-on in this thread. but YOU can't deal with defeat can you? You're just some saddo Hatriot with no discernible intelligence and less than zero ability to reason . (You've proven this in other threads arguing with much less easily-provoked folk than me) only morons - ie Goodell, Panchgani and their ilk would prefer the ill-conceived conclusions and pre-destined decisions of the February-August 2015 marsupial-based-justice-system. if it's all the same, i'll leave this thread with the knowledge that in the only court that matters - justice and reason prevailed. i know you'll insist on the last word - enjoy it fella, - because like Goodell's witch-hunt, an anti-Patriot media and your Hatriot ramblings - lunacy will always shout loudest. At least those that really matter have total dismissal of such irrelevance. |
| Saint Jiub 04.09.2015 23:47 |
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=patriots%20culture%20of%20cheating Blah Blah Blah - Dey ate us cuz dey anus. The Patriots could learn a lot about integrity from the history of classy winning teams like the Steelers, Cowboys, 49-ers, Packers and Giants. I do not recall any of those 5 teams being notorious for having a "culture of cheating". Have fun in your Boston bubble. Keep the insults coming dear "sir". |
| brENsKi 05.09.2015 02:06 |
firstly I'm not from Boston, only ever been there once - from the UK - if you cared to check some simple facts you'd have seen that secondly (and finally) fortunately for YOU, Goodell and Hatriots everywhere, this process has "torn you all a new one" - you current status of being "Bi-rectal" is a good one - because you've ALL spent the the last 8 months using your original rectum for speaking out of |
| Saint Jiub 05.09.2015 11:29 |
So you are a blind apologetic Patriot fan ... and an unabashed American redneck wannabe: "all of the fekkers - all 13 of em - drop an H bomb on the house ...no but i'm all for living the american dream....which just happens to include bombing the ass out of anywhere remotely beautiful" http://qz.thinkingwebsites.com/forums/556943/mary-or-craig.aspx http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/580060.html I thought the UK thing was a joke given that you also claim to be from Jupiter. Your avatar also suggests that you are "Boston" Irish. |
| brENsKi 05.09.2015 15:55 |
Panchgani wrote: I thought the UK thing was a joke given that you also claim to be from Jupiter. Your avatar also suggests that you are "Boston" Irish.my avatar suggests no such thing - to anyone but a conspiracy-obsessed moron i'd think that to anyone anywhere - a simple design like that with the words "Dad" and "Gez" would obviously mean this is something to do with grief and loss - i dunno, perhaps my dad and Gez? - incidentally, it's also the tattoo i had designed and had done when my dad and brother died in the same year. something that's been clarified on QZ before. now fuck off you imbecile with your stupid - waz-brained obsessions. you can't ever let things go - even to the point of somehow wrongly linking a named personal tribute to Boston? what a fucking dipshit you really are. go and bother someone else. i'm sick to death of you. you're not worth any further discussion. your village is missing it's fool. btw - to anyone else on QZ - if there's a lot of abuse in this reply - i apologise to you, but NOT to Panchgani - his last insult is fully meriting this reply |
| Saint Jiub 05.09.2015 20:45 |
Aug 3rd - brENsKi wrote: i bet Panchgani is jiizzng his pants at the latest "upheld" decision.Sep 3rd - brENsKi wrote: I wonder what Mr Panchgani will have to say? I had not posted in this topic since May, but you obviously wanted me to respond despite you being sick to death of me. Whatever. |
| brENsKi 06.09.2015 03:36 |
Panchgani wrote:stop twisting my words. i'm all for discussion/argument,Aug 3rd - brENsKi wrote: i bet Panchgani is jiizzng his pants at the latest "upheld" decision.Sep 3rd - brENsKi wrote: I wonder what Mr Panchgani will have to say? I had not posted in this topic since May, but you obviously wanted me to respond despite you being sick to death of me. Whatever. but when you deliberately make comments about an Avatar - which any fool can read - that's what i'm sick to death of try apologising, instead of twisting the argument further. or are you not adult enough to admit your "avatar" jibe was completely unwarranted and disrespectful? definitely my last comment to you on this subject. either apologise or leave me be |
| Saint Jiub 06.09.2015 10:44 |
Your "jizzing" comment toward me is not "discussion/argument". All I saw was a luck of the Irish cloverleaf and did not read the fine print, but your reference to you dad and brother sounds familiar now. If you are really that paranoid to mistakenly believe that I insulted your deceased family members then I apologize to your family. However I do not apologize to you. |
| Saint Jiub 08.09.2015 21:23 |
Interesting ... though no one on QZ cares ... ESPN documents 2000-2015 shady history of Belacheat and the Goddell coverup: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart It began in 2007, with Spygate. Interviews by ESPN The Magazine and Outside the Lines with more than 90 league officials, owners, team executives and coaches, current and former Patriots coaches, staffers and players, and reviews of previously undisclosed private notes from key meetings, show that Spygate is the centerpiece of a long, secret history between Goodell's NFL, which declined comment for this story, and Kraft's Patriots. The diametrically opposed way the inquiries were managed by Goodell -- and, more importantly, perceived by his bosses -- reveals much about how and why NFL punishment is often dispensed. The widespread perception that Goodell gave the Patriots a break on Spygate, followed by the NFL's stonewalling of a potential congressional investigation into the matter, shaped owners' expectations of what needed to be done by 345 Park Ave. on Deflategate. It was, one owner says, time for "a makeup call." AMONG THE FINDINGS • Deflategate is seen by some owners as a "makeup call" over Spygate. • From 2000 to 2007, the Patriots videotaped the signals of opposing coaches in 40 games. • Goodell's handling of Deflategate turned around owners still simmering over Spygate; some say he is now more secure in his job. |
| *goodco* 09.09.2015 09:39 |
Had already read the article before your post. I detest GODell. Can't stand Belichick, though I still have a smidgeon of respect. Always liked Brady. This whole thing has been a clusterfawk, including the 'investigation'. And then you have ESPN doing an in depth report, who I know longer totally trust either. Even read the initial investigation. One could say Luck should have been suspended, as some of the Irsays' footballs were less inflated than the Patriots. I'm just tired of having a certain AC/DC song as an earworm every time I read about this. |