Gaabiizz 31.03.2015 23:29 |
link opiniones? |
dive2063 01.04.2015 02:52 |
Hi! Maybe snow just applied the "old-movie" filter to the video and used the old audio mix? ) |
bodwinnumber2 01.04.2015 03:54 |
Yeah looks and sounds like a slowed down version of the original VHS mix. |
alberbal12 01.04.2015 07:47 |
It is a snow producciones release... Obviously a fake one! |
Kuijpy 01.04.2015 10:10 |
I hate snow produccions! |
mooghead 01.04.2015 13:14 |
Its obviously someone pointing a camera at a screen. Daft Queen fans will still spunk over it though... |
Mr.QueenFan 01.04.2015 17:29 |
I like what i see. Why do people disregard a thing before discussing it in a proper way? First of all this audio mix wasn't used in the VHS. link You can hear the differences in the intro guitar solo by Brian May. I don't see anything that says that this is a fake, so i'm willing to accept that this is what it is being advertised, unless someone can state some facts that i'm not aware of at the moment. Thanks for the original poster for bringing this to my attention. I don't know what it is, but latelly i'm enjoying more the bootleg stuff than the official videos. Weird! |
The Real Wizard 01.04.2015 18:36 |
This is just a rip of the old VHS. It's the same guitar solo as on all the official releases - but it's a studio overdub done by Brian (the only guitar part overdubbed on the entire show). |
Biggus Dickus 01.04.2015 23:40 |
There's definitely a different guitar solo in the beginning on this so called theatrical version as opposed to the other versions. Also I noticed that even the Hungarian Rhapsody version solo is slightly different right at the end compared to the old Budapest release. So we've got three different solos. |
pittrek 02.04.2015 01:28 |
What makes you think it's fake? It has many artifacts typical for film, including scratches and little grain and they don't appear to be added digitally, they don't appear to be "over" the picture, but "inside" the picture if it makes sense. It has better colours than the VHS version and MUCH better colours than the new DVD/BD version. And there's more detail than in the VHS/LD version. Also 1987 35mm prints are in private hands, I got offered one several years ago (for a ridiculous amount of money). Hernan claims it's differently edited, did somebody of you guys compare this version to the official release? I didn't compare the sound mix but I'll try it when I get home. So there are 2 possibilities : 1) somebody took the VHS tape or laserdisc, used some good upscaler to get it to 1080p and at the same time pull more details out of the picture, corrected the colours, and added some digital scratches 2) somebody who owns a 35mm print which was "liberated" from a Hungarian cinema transferred it to 1080p and gave a copy to Hernan |
Biggus Dickus 02.04.2015 01:55 |
^^ To me the editing is the same as on both the old and new releases. Sonically the only difference that I noticed was the guitar solo in the beginning, which is a totally different. |
Nitroboy 02.04.2015 03:30 |
There is no way this is a VHS/Laserdisc rip, they don't have this much detail in the picture. |
BETA215 02.04.2015 03:56 |
pittrek wrote: What makes you think it's fake? It has many artifacts typical for film, including scratches and little grain and they don't appear to be added digitally, they don't appear to be "over" the picture, but "inside" the picture if it makes sense. It has better colours than the VHS version and MUCH better colours than the new DVD/BD version. And there's more detail than in the VHS/LD version. Also 1987 35mm prints are in private hands, I got offered one several years ago (for a ridiculous amount of money). Hernan claims it's differently edited, did somebody of you guys compare this version to the official release? I didn't compare the sound mix but I'll try it when I get home. So there are 2 possibilities : 1) somebody took the VHS tape or laserdisc, used some good upscaler to get it to 1080p and at the same time pull more details out of the picture, corrected the colours, and added some digital scratches 2) somebody who owns a 35mm print which was "liberated" from a Hungarian cinema transferred it to 1080p and gave a copy to Hernan And if Hernán downscaled the HD version of Budapest, applied some filters and equalized (or directly copied) the VHS audio? That would make even more sense. |
Nitroboy 02.04.2015 04:28 |
BETA215 wrote: And if Hernán downscaled the HD version of Budapest, applied some filters and equalized (or directly copied) the VHS audio? That would make even more sense. Listen to this theatrical version, and then listen to the VHS version.... The audio is obviously not the same. |
tomchristie22 02.04.2015 07:10 |
I watched/listened to both this and the Hungarian Rhapsody version in sync. Editing, as in shot choices and sequencing, is absolutely identical between the two of them. Beta, Snow definitely didn't downgrade Hungarian Rhapsody, because his video is not vertically cropped, whereas Hungarian Rhapsody is, rather substantially. If he took it from a pre-existing release, it had to be from the VHS or Laserdisc, and as Nitro said, the detail of Snow's video seems to betray that that isn't the case. To state the obvious, Hungarian Rhapsody has much more information on the left and right sides than Snow's clip which, like the VHS and Laserdisc version, is cropped into standard aspect ratio (or something close to it). Audio seems to be a different mix, as others have said, though I'm no authority on this. The audio virtually the same in terms of content - the main difference is Brian's intro solo, which is either two differing overdubbed versions, or the same overdubbed version but positioned slighlty differently in time, enough so that the two versions sound out of time when synchronised. There's also a point a bit after 1:03 in Snow's video where Roger misses a snare hit - this is patched up somewhat on Hungarian Rhapsody. Bizarrely enough, Roger doesn't miss the beat at all on the VHS and Laserdisc version (see: link, but there's a noisy bit of microphone feedback which happens around the same time, which isn't present on either Snow's clip or Hungarian Rhapsody. I've no idea what to make of any of that. I'd argue that the colour grading is inferior on Snow's version compared with Hungarian Rhapsody - skin tones look natural enough on Rhapsody when under white light, whereas they're very pale and blue in hue in Snow's video. Then again, since it looks as if Snow's video is a filming of the video being played on a screen or projected, that may be a problem in the recording device and not the film itself. |
Nitroboy 02.04.2015 10:33 |
Freddie's "HEY!" at the start of the song also isn't present on this "theatrical" version. It is audible on both the '87 and '12 releases |
Chief Mouse 02.04.2015 12:33 |
pittrek wrote: So there are 2 possibilities : 1) somebody took the VHS tape or laserdisc, used some good upscaler to get it to 1080p and at the same time pull more details out of the picture, corrected the colours, and added some digital scratchesNot true, and here's why. It is the VHS version. I can't comment on the audio though. Talking about video here. Okay. Frame by frame analysis for you to see. Note that his video has more borders, that is because I just grabbed a quick AVI rip from a Torrent (only for this comparison purpose) which was cropped by someone. Take a look at the film scratches. These scratches appear only for 1 frame so they are unique to the particular frame. That means it is no coincidence they perfectly match with the VHS version. Also, he made it more saturated and applied a ton of denoise (Neat Video, surely). It also seems he made the whites more blue & green. And he sharpened it a bit. That's all. Don't buy this people, just search around and torrent it, it will be better quality as well than this butchered version. https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0e70/kc3n6hag4pd9n0k7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2370/dlabfeiq6jhco8z7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/3f9f/0hpy8j6acu7qu8k7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f6a7/l39tqzqgycntba77g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Edit: Earlier I didn't compare them carefully enough. What I found today is this - there are identical dropouts (comets) in exactly the same frames. Note - film originally doesn't have these kind of dropouts. They originate from tapes. They might look a little tiny bit different to you - that is because he processed the video, sharpened it etc. But let's not split hairs here. They do match perfectly. It's the same transfer from the same tape. And here's the forensic evidence :-) https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0de1/b5310sb1f963n447g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5579/8uxfemfi84qr9tu7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f7d7/ycrx5klmbdf2k5a7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d22a/2x1k8oa1gr6ekhl7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> . Hopefully this clears it up. |
BETA215 02.04.2015 12:52 |
Talking about video: Our Chief said it. But talking about the audio: maybe trading he received (a supposed) soundboard audio from the concert and he merged it with this modified video. Or he processed the audio (stereo to mono, equalization, compression, etc.). |
cmsdrums 02.04.2015 13:33 |
Gaabiizz wrote: link opiniones? |
tomchristie22 02.04.2015 19:01 |
Regarding Chief's post: Doesn't that also leave the possibility that Snow's video and the VHS are both sourced from the same film reel, rather than Snow's video being ripped off from the VHS? I might be reaching. |
Nitroboy 02.04.2015 19:27 |
We can't really compare the last shot with the Blu-ray version, since it has a different image composition http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah154/Simon_Christensen/vlcsnap-2015-04-03-02h25m08s36_zpsaw8lqcbs.png" border="0" alt=" photo vlcsnap-2015-04-03-02h25m08s36_zpsaw8lqcbs.png"/> |
BETA215 02.04.2015 21:00 |
^ Yup, "me re cabió". |
Chief Mouse 03.04.2015 03:56 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Regarding Chief's post: Doesn't that also leave the possibility that Snow's video and the VHS are both sourced from the same film reel, rather than Snow's video being ripped off from the VHS? I might be reaching.No. And now I know for sure. Earlier I didn't compare them carefully enough. What I found today is this - there are identical dropouts (comets) in exactly the same frames. Note - film originally doesn't have these kind of dropouts. They originate from tapes. They might look a little tiny bit different to you - that is because he processed the video, sharpened it etc. But let's not split hairs here. They do match perfectly. It's the same transfer from the same tape. And here's the forensic evidence :-) https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0de1/b5310sb1f963n447g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/5579/8uxfemfi84qr9tu7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f7d7/ycrx5klmbdf2k5a7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d22a/2x1k8oa1gr6ekhl7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> . |
pittrek 03.04.2015 06:09 |
Funny, the more I look at it the more it looks like an 1080p upscale of my old VHS transfer done in the early 2000s :-) The sound - could it be taken from a very good copy of the 16 camera version? Because this "theatrical version" mix has basically no audience, just like the 16 camera version, and the audience can be clearly heard on both the VHS and BD releases. Now I'm REALLY curious what EXACTLY this is :-) |
tomchristie22 03.04.2015 07:53 |
Can't fault that evidence. The video's origin seems to be solved then. Discrepancies in the sound are still puzzling. |
Nitroboy 03.04.2015 09:11 |
I checked the version on Greg's channel (I believe it's a radio broadcast??) and it also has the "Hey!" At the start of One Vision. I haven't hears the 16 camera version |
pittrek 03.04.2015 11:07 |
There's no such thing as a Budapest radio broadcast, if Greg has a complete SBD version (I haven't checked) it is probably from the 16 camera version |
Gregsynth 03.04.2015 11:20 |
I used the audio from the 16 cameras! |
Nitroboy 03.04.2015 11:43 |
Well, then it's a mystery to me what audio source is used |
BETA215 03.04.2015 15:45 |
And the Live Magic CD? |
Nitroboy 03.04.2015 16:17 |
BETA215 wrote: And the Live Magic CD? One Vision is from Knebworth https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg5MfuJG4GwThddu7fy-hOkC09hkFOsm6 |
BETA215 04.04.2015 00:26 |
Oh, true. So, the available audio sources of this concert are: Old VHS/LaserDisc version Some songs in Live Magic 2012 DVD/BluRay version 16 cameras audio And this version can't be sourced from the official versions, neither One Vision from Live Magic and, according to the last comments, not sourced from the 16 cameras version. So: Maybe the theatrical version of the concert is almost the same as the VHS but with a different sound mix; or This is a new audio mix obtained (I don't know how) but with faked video just to get money out of it; or This is all fake and very well done job. Unless otherwise indicated, this are all the things it could be, but we don't know which of this ones it is. |
BETA215 04.04.2015 00:26 |
I'm right? |
Nitroboy 04.04.2015 04:32 |
This particular version doesn't have the "hey!" at the beginning of the song |
Chief Mouse 04.04.2015 05:28 |
Nitroboy wrote: This particular version doesn't have the "hey!" at the beginning of the songI'm sure this is the version he used. It is also the same version I used for comparison in my previous posts. |
pittrek 04.04.2015 06:29 |
The guy at the beginning calls it "Queen v Budapešti", which is a Slavic syntax, the accent sounds Russian. Can it be that the Russian release had a different sound mix ? |
Nitroboy 04.04.2015 08:34 |
I still find these "marks" on Freddie's face a bit odd. Could they be a side effect of the video processing he used? http://i.gyazo.com/1dee1877bc2103a1bce580b9ee553529.png" /> |
Chief Mouse 04.04.2015 08:54 |
Nitroboy wrote: I still find these "marks" on Freddie's face a bit odd. Could they be a side effect of the video processing he used? http://i.gyazo.com/1dee1877bc2103a1bce580b9ee553529.png" />Side effect. The original video has heavy grain, he smoothed out mad amount of detail leaving some of the stronger lines, plus some sharpening maybe as well. Here's a quick test - https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/2d93/omw9eekamxkevxm7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> . |
The Real Wizard 02.05.2018 00:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote: This is just a rip of the old VHS. It's the same guitar solo as on all the official releases - but it's a studio overdub done by Brian (the only guitar part overdubbed on the entire show).Turns out I was wrong. Indeed, the guitar solo at the beginning of the song is WITHOUT the overdub here. Very interesting that this early mix ended up being released somewhere. |
The Real Wizard 02.05.2018 01:10 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Bizarrely enough, Roger doesn't miss the beat at all on the VHS and Laserdisc version (see: link, but there's a noisy bit of microphone feedback which happens around the same time, which isn't present on either Snow's clip or Hungarian Rhapsody. I've no idea what to make of any of that.I guess this means it's three different mixes we're dealing with. What is this third source then? Is this the only song with differences? Weird that I'm resurrecting a three year old topic, but here we are. |
The Real Wizard 02.05.2018 01:11 |
pittrek wrote: So there are 2 possibilities : 1) somebody took the VHS tape or laserdisc, used some good upscaler to get it to 1080p and at the same time pull more details out of the picture, corrected the colours, and added some digital scratches 2) somebody who owns a 35mm print which was "liberated" from a Hungarian cinema transferred it to 1080p and gave a copy to HernanIt's sad that this guy refuses to engage with this community, leaving people to do guesswork. But I guess it's not surprising, considering the majority of his "products" he sells are sourced from free downloads off this website. I highly doubt this guy has any sources that we don't have. He just knows how to create a pretty package and sell it. |
Wilki Amieva 11.05.2018 20:01 |
Audio of this release is taken from the original TV broadcast version (which has a premix). Why Snow tried to push it as a film transfer is anyone's guess... |