| madmetaltom 12.03.2015 13:34 |
link |
| alberbal12 12.03.2015 13:51 |
Great, coming from sikke it is real, only the speed is wrong, is so slow, can somebody correct it? Thanks |
| brunogorski 12.03.2015 13:59 |
Cool. But it sounds really slow! o.O |
| Rick 12.03.2015 14:03 |
alberbal12 wrote: Great, coming from sikke it is real, only the speed is wrong, is so slow, can somebody correct it? ThanksMaybe it was meant like this? I don't hear any speed issues. It sounds like the album version, but played at a slower pace. Thanks Sikke! |
| The Real Wizard 12.03.2015 14:16 |
This isn't a demo. It's a properly mixed almost complete version of the song, with a slightly different treatment of the vocals (and one alternate vocal take in the second chorus), and before it was sped up. A demo is when a song is in the very beginning stages, and usually isn't even recorded with high end gear. Still, cool to hear the differences. Thanks. |
| Penetration_Guru 12.03.2015 14:22 |
Hmmm...I've no idea who this Sikke is, but that sounds far too close to the final version to be a "demo". In fact, if you took the released version, slowed it down by about 8% (to get the lengths to match up), added some needless echoes, you'd be 99% the same as this. |
| mooghead 12.03.2015 14:23 |
This sounds so much better than the album version! |
| Freddiefanisbackagain 12.03.2015 14:25 |
The Real Wizard wrote: This isn't a demo. It's a properly mixed almost complete version of the song, with a slightly different treatment of the vocals (and one alternate vocal take in the second chorus), and before it was sped up. A demo is when a song is in the very beginning stages, and usually isn't even recorded with high end gear. Still, cool to hear the differences. Thanks.The Real Wizard you are real bugger. |
| cmsdrums 12.03.2015 15:04 |
Thanks. Nice to hear the differentiation between Freddie's and Roger's vocals without the phasing effect on them. Some lovely pics in the video stills montage too! |
| Kacio 12.03.2015 15:44 |
demo little piece with comment on the beginning |
| tomchristie22 12.03.2015 15:50 |
Like Wizard said, the slower speed is how the album version was originally recorded, before being sped up, and thus shifted up in key as well. |
| The Real Wizard 12.03.2015 15:52 |
Freddiefanisbackagain wrote:If by "bugger" you mean "accurate", then yes. And you are obviously a complete moron incapable of an adult conversation.The Real Wizard wrote: This isn't a demo. It's a properly mixed almost complete version of the song, with a slightly different treatment of the vocals (and one alternate vocal take in the second chorus), and before it was sped up. A demo is when a song is in the very beginning stages, and usually isn't even recorded with high end gear. Still, cool to hear the differences. Thanks.The Real Wizard you are real bugger. Who the f&ck are you with your 11 posts to your name to just attack, without any substantiation, someone who actually knows what they're talking about? Your brief history on this forum consists of leaking a rare video under a fake name and attempting (in possibly faked broken English) to denigrate those who speak with accuracy and dare to ask questions. You're not impressing anyone. Good day to you. |
| Oscar J 12.03.2015 15:56 |
Wonder how they managed to screw up the mix so badly after this. |
| alberbal12 12.03.2015 16:16 |
So now i understand all, is a perfect version!! |
| hobbit in Rhye 12.03.2015 16:23 |
I have just seen this video this afternoon too, right before I saw your thread. I prefer this version to the album's version. Thank you Sikke^^ |
| mooghead 12.03.2015 17:02 |
I remember reading a post from a Queen fan saying their first experience of Queen was the NOTW album because they liked the WWRY/WATC single so they bought the album but couldn't get past track 3 so didn't bother with them for ages. Purely understandable. This track on the album would have made people keep listening.... |
| Vali 12.03.2015 17:43 |
wow !! this version is so ... right !!! I prefer it over the album version by far ! thanks for sharing ..... fuck, it's about time all these studio gems are properly released !! |
| Marknow 12.03.2015 17:53 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Freddiefanisbackagain wrote:If by "bugger" you mean "accurate", then yes. And you are obviously a complete moron incapable of an adult conversation. Who the f&ck are you with your 11 posts to your name to just attack, without any substantiation, someone who actually knows what they're talking about? Your brief history on this forum consists of leaking a rare video under a fake name and attempting (in possibly faked broken English) to denigrate those who speak with accuracy and dare to ask questions. You're not impressing anyone. Good day to you.The Real Wizard wrote: This isn't a demo. It's a properly mixed almost complete version of the song, with a slightly different treatment of the vocals (and one alternate vocal take in the second chorus), and before it was sped up. A demo is when a song is in the very beginning stages, and usually isn't even recorded with high end gear. Still, cool to hear the differences. Thanks.The Real Wizard you are real bugger. Bob, you are here long enough to know that you cannot talk sense to a shit stain. :) |
| Ale Solan 12.03.2015 18:01 |
Val Lurex wrote: When I first heard it I thought it was the original album version, the only difference being it was slowed down, plus some vocals were different. But if it's Sikke's, it's genuine.Not only vocals, extra echoes, drums more prominent, lack of certain effects, etc etc etc. if it wasn't Sikke, listening to the take you can easily tell it's genuine, you can't make this one without the multitracks |
| Hangman_96 12.03.2015 18:01 |
When I first heard it I thought it was the original album version, the only difference being it was slowed down, plus some vocals were different. But if it's Sikke's, it's genuine. |
| Ale Solan 12.03.2015 18:03 |
Here the SHA unheard take sped up kinda matching the album version (click the Mega logo) http://s23.postimg.org/a07scf0w7/mega_3_220x218.png"> |
| Negative Creep 12.03.2015 18:42 |
Cool alt mix - but clearly not vintage (the vocal delays sound digital and are out of time too). Evidently the multitrack is out there, but in a far more limited capacity than others. |
| Ale Solan 12.03.2015 18:53 |
Negative Creep wrote: Cool alt mix - but clearly not vintage (the vocal delays sound digital and are out of time too). Evidently the multitrack is out there, but in a far more limited capacity than others.Nope, certainly vintage. link |
| The Real Wizard 12.03.2015 22:14 |
Marknow wrote: Bob, you are here long enough to know that you cannot talk sense to a shit stain. :)HAHA ... this made my day ! |
| dysan 13.03.2015 03:26 |
This is still one of my all time recordings s to hear this is fantastic! |
| pittrek 13.03.2015 03:50 |
You guys are weird. For me even the album version is too slow, that's why I prefer the live versions. You actually say you LIKE this version which is even slower than the album version? |
| BETA215 13.03.2015 04:25 |
^ +1000 |
| dysan 13.03.2015 04:41 |
@pittrek faster doesn't mean better! I'm not sure I've ever liked SHA live audio - always really messy (fun, sure, but more worthy to actually watch with all the 'punk' stage antics). The reason the studio version is for me one of my first favourite songs is because of the actual sound of it, it's such an unusual recording in the Queen cannon. Heavy and with very unQueen vocals. And for me this slightly different version has more oomph - more clarity on the instuments rather than the white noise of the released version. Yes, slower, but fascinating to be able to pick apart what's actually going on in there :) |
| tomchristie22 13.03.2015 06:15 |
For sure, dysan. The drums and guitar are much more driving and full sounding this way, I really like it. I'd like the live versions more if Roger sang for more than just the chorus, if they sang the chorus harmonies properly (with the higher note for 'real cardiac'), and if Roger played some approximation of the drum fill towards the end of the song. |
| dysan 13.03.2015 06:27 |
Yeah, live it served a nothing more than a jam, which is cool, but always preferred the live encore Modern TImes - should've dug that out for the final rave up :) |
| mooghead 13.03.2015 06:32 |
Are there any other Queen tracks that were sped up/slowed down? |
| dysan 13.03.2015 06:46 |
It was a popular production technique - you can hear it in a lot of Bowie stuff too. I think the Matt revision threads are a good place to get answers there as he offers us 'natural' versions too. Notably AOBTD and I think a few on Hot Space spring to mind. |
| Rami 13.03.2015 08:23 |
Very interesting, great! Thank you very much indeed!! |
| Nitroboy 13.03.2015 08:39 |
I still can't stand the song, and the guitar feedback-effect still sounds like shit to me :S |
| Sebastian 13.03.2015 11:57 |
Quite interesting indeed. |
| soxtalon 13.03.2015 13:23 |
Thank you for this! This is quite interesting. I prefer the faster speed myself, but it's awesome to have an alternative to listen to. Especially when it's not JUST the speed that's different. I love hearing the vocals more clearly and the feedback isn't QUITE as annoying at this speed (although still off-putting and quite distracting) |
| dysan 14.03.2015 10:34 |
Still listening to this loads. |
| Bohardy 14.03.2015 14:31 |
mooghead wrote: Are there any other Queen tracks that were sped up/slowed down?Mad The Swine (down a semitone) TMOTBQ (up a tiny fraction) '39 (up a semitone) AOBTD (up a semitone) Long Away (down about a quartertone) Hijack My Heart (up a semitone) They're all either not in concert pitch or not played in the key they ended up in, and there's probably some more I've missed. It's conceivable (though unlikely, for me) that for MTS (perhaps less unlikely) and LA the guitars were simply detuned though. |
| tomchristie22 14.03.2015 17:44 |
Interesting. I assumed that they just recorded '39 in G#. |
| Bohardy 14.03.2015 21:24 |
TBH Tom I don't know, and I've weirdly never given it much thought. Clearly Bri plays it in G, and live it was always in that key. There are really only 3 options for the recording: John and Bri play in G, master is sped up a semitone Bri plays in G with capo on 1st, John plays in Ab, not sped up John and Bri play in G but tune their guitars up a semitone, not sped up Just looking at that, the first option seems overwhelmingly the most likely. I've not ever really considered whether it sounds sped up or not. And, of course, it's possible that the vocals are not, as the rhythm track could have been sped up before the vocals were laid down. But without listening and scrutinising the timbres of the vox and guitars, I'd hedge my bets and say it's all sped up, after everything's been recorded. |
| The Real Wizard 14.03.2015 23:46 |
Bohardy wrote:'39 could've been recorded with a capo on the guitar, and Long Away could've been detuned.mooghead wrote: Are there any other Queen tracks that were sped up/slowed down?Mad The Swine (down a semitone) TMOTBQ (up a tiny fraction) '39 (up a semitone) AOBTD (up a semitone) Long Away (down about a quartertone) Hijack My Heart (up a semitone) They're all either not in concert pitch or not played in the key they ended up in, and there's probably some more I've missed. It's conceivable (though unlikely, for me) that for MTS (perhaps less unlikely) and LA the guitars were simply detuned though. Other than Dust, it's hard to know how many of these (if any) were the result of tape tricks. Or does anyone have some firm answers? |
| Sebastian 15.03.2015 00:58 |
One that's been officially confirmed is of course 'No-One But You.' |
| tomchristie22 15.03.2015 01:28 |
On '39: It's possible that everything was played in the key in which we hear it on the album - Brian with capo on first fret, John not using open strings in the bass line (it's just as easy to play with or without using them). It's also possible that the entire thing, or at least the foundational stuff, was recorded in G and then shifted into G#. Their dropping it a semitone for live versions does seem to possibly indicate it was recorded in G, at least partially, as this logic applies to SHA. Still, this isn't definitive at all. Listening to Brian's vocal (fairly isolated: link, it does sound to me like it may be sped up - listen to parts like 'sweetest sight ever seen' - not the note, but the tonal quality of his voice when that nasaly sound comes through. Perhaps I didn't explain that very well. Perhaps I'm experiencing confirmation bias. So, it doesn't seem like anything within the song can prove it one way or another. I might ask Brian, though that obviously doesn't guarantee that he'll answer, much less remember. |
| Viper 15.03.2015 05:24 |
thx! |
| Bohardy 15.03.2015 06:31 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Listening to Brian's vocal (fairly isolated: link, it does sound to me like it may be sped up - listen to parts like 'sweetest sight ever seen' - not the note, but the tonal quality of his voice when that nasaly sound comes through. Perhaps I didn't explain that very well. Perhaps I'm experiencing confirmation bias.It does sound like it could be sped up, though not as much as you'd expect with a whole semitone shift. I am pretty sure I can hear John playing open As and Ds though. As i said, if I had to bet, I'd say it was all sped up. The Real Wizard wrote: Other than Dust, it's hard to know how many of these (if any) were the result of tape tricks. Or does anyone have some firm answers?Hijack My Heart was definitely sped up. It's like SHA: Rog wouldn't write it in Bbm/Db, but rather Am/C. Besides, the demo version is in the original key and speed. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 16.03.2015 05:37 |
Interesting discussion. What about SCC was it sped up ? I am asking because it sonds so fast , it is hard to sing a long with it as it is on the SHA album. |
| Oscar J 16.03.2015 07:25 |
^ Then explain Freddie singing the song DRUNK at a tempo just shy of 300 BPM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKTMTHPYQ7Q |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 16.03.2015 09:46 |
^^^^^^^^ Drunk or not , Freddie was a real boss ! What a great artist! Great version.... |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 16.03.2015 09:47 |
Ale Solan wrote:Thanks man this compliment made my day ;-)Val Lurex wrote: When I first heard it I thought it was the original album version, the only difference being it was slowed down, plus some vocals were different. But if it's Sikke's, it's genuine.Not only vocals, extra echoes, drums more prominent, lack of certain effects, etc etc etc. if it wasn't Sikke, listening to the take you can easily tell it's genuine, you can't make this one without the multitracks |
| cmsdrums 16.03.2015 14:38 |
I always thought from first listen that Roger's vocal on Hijack my Heart didn't sound natural, and sounded slightly sped up - now I know! Thanks |
| hobbit in Rhye 16.03.2015 15:46 |
Oscar J wrote: ^ Then explain Freddie singing the song DRUNK at a tempo just shy of 300 BPM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKTMTHPYQ7QI'd like to know what holy whiskey I can drink to sing like that. Amen. |
