| miraclesteinway 12.03.2015 07:33 |
It has come up time and again on this forum - the haters say that Queen + Adam Lambert makes a mockery of and dishonours Queen's legacy and Freddie's memory. You know what? It doesn't. Actually, the haters who say that Brian and Roger have no right to do this are the ones dishonouring Freddie's memory and Queen's legacy. If anything, Brian and Roger with Adam are keeping Freddie's memory in the public eye, and respectfully in tact. Peter Freestone, Jer Bulsara and Kashmira Cooke have given this their blessing, and are delighted that Queen's music - including Freddie Mercury's songs are being performed by two of the original composers and performers. I mean, come on, if Mrs Bulsara and Kashmira can give it their blessing, how on earth can this be dishonouring Freddie? Just to remind you, Jer is Freddie's mother - Kashmira is Freddie's sister. They KNEW and LOVED Freddie as a person, not as a fan from a far. Brian and Roger were co-creators with Freddie, and were FRIENDS with Freddie. I bet there's not even one hater on this forum who knew Freddie - and meeting him backstage once, or in the street outside Garden Lodge - doesn't constitute a friendship. Really, the haters are just being rather joyless and sulky about the whole thing, and clearly haven't moved on from 1986. So, unless one of you met Freddie in, say, 1988, and had the chance to say 'Hey Freddie, there's this dude who's 6 years old at the moment and he's going to front your band in 25 years time, long after you've died' and Freddie said 'Oh, please, fuck that dear, no little whippersnapper is going to attempt to usurp my place as the singer in what is clearly the best rock band on the planet, I'd rather they just retired because without me they have no right to make music'.... then I think we really have no grounds for all the negativity. |
| ludwigs 12.03.2015 08:35 |
Did you read and digest this Gezza? |
| thomasquinn 32989 12.03.2015 08:37 |
You like the collaboration. Fine by me. I think it's a bloody boring rehash of yet the same music, again. I was enthousiastic about Q+PR at first, and I was very much disappointed with what happened - turns out this sort of thing bores me tremendously. So I don't want anything to do with this, which I still think of as Q+PR 2.0, and I think it's a waste of time. I am just as entitled to my views as you are to yours, and if you can't handle the fact that not everyone, by far, likes this tour, then you're just as bad as gerry. The way you put your post full of strawmen is also highly distasteful. |
| miraclesteinway 12.03.2015 09:02 |
Perhaps I worded it wrongly - There is a difference between those who don't like the collaboration because, artistically, they find it a boring rehash and perhaps don't like the sound of Adam Lambert singing Queen songs, and those who actively say that this is dishonouring someone's memory, or hate it simply because it's not Freddie Mercury. I can handle people not liking it, that's up to them. What I don't see the point in, is that so much bile has to be forced on to people - I mean, really, people here are like kids in the playground throwing rocks about, and it's all quite unreasonable actually. What do you mean full of strawmen? What, exactly, is distasteful about my original post? |
| Pingfah 12.03.2015 09:06 |
I don't really care if it honours or disrespects Freddie, he's dead, he doesn't give a fuck. On its own merits it is a decent show, as a lover of music, that is all that matters to me. |
| thomasquinn 32989 12.03.2015 09:08 |
Your last paragraph was a strawman-fallacy. You write
So, unless one of you met Freddie in, say, 1988, and had the chance to say 'Hey Freddie, there's this dude who's 6 years old at the moment and he's going to front your band in 25 years time, long after you've died' and Freddie said 'Oh, please, fuck that dear, no little whippersnapper is going to attempt to usurp my place as the singer in what is clearly the best rock band on the planet, I'd rather they just retired because without me they have no right to make music'.... then I think we really have no grounds for all the negativity.By that wording, you imply (unintentionally, I gather from your second post), that " I'd rather they just retired because without me [Freddie] they have no right to make music" is the reason behind any dismissal of this project. I found that a little hurtful, because my main problem with these shows is that they're NOT making new music. Granted, Cosmos Rocks wasn't a stellar masterpiece, but at least it yielded a few good songs and, most importantly, it saw Roger and Brian making NEW music and GROWING, even if it also featured some pretty lame filler. I'm not a great fan of Adam Lambert's voice and antics, but if they wrote new songs that suited his style of singing a little better, I think I'd enjoy this a lot more than AL trying to sing Freddie-songs and just falling short of the mark. It's like AC/DC: Bon Scott died, Brian Johnson came in, and they're both pretty damn good vocalists. However, Brian Johnson just sounds a lot better doing Johnson-era songs than he does on Bon Scott-era songs. |
| miraclesteinway 12.03.2015 09:31 |
Thomas I'm sorry you found that hurtful, and I'm pleased to hear that you'd welcome some new music from Queen + AL - quite a few people would. But what I'm ranting at, are the people who act almost as if they're the custodians of Freddie's memory and wishes, and own Queen in some way. Actually as far as we know, Freddie didn't discuss Queen carrying on - he was most probably too focused on using what time he could to record songs, and then getting his affairs in order, and he probably expected that the band would continue to make music as a unit or as solo artists, and that Queen would obviously be a big part of their lives after his death. But there are so many people on here that seem to assume the role of a confidante of Freddie's when they talk about the continuation of Queen, and Brian and Roger can't seem to do right for doing wrong at times. By making music, I mean playing the old songs as well as the new - performing an old song live is still making music. I understand people finding AL falling short of the mark singing Freddie-era songs - his voice is perfect but not quite dramatic enough. He has the control but not the raw energy - at least not yet anyway. Anyway I'm sorry I've offended you, genuinely, because it wasn't my intention. I just get pissed off at the sheer volume of crap that has to go on here simply because the band want to do something they see as good. Fine, if people are unsure about it or don't really like it but that's not what the thread is about. |
| Oscar J 12.03.2015 09:36 |
I have literally not seen anyone on here saying that AL dishonours Queen's legacy and Freddie's memory, except for Gerry - but nobody gives a damn about what he thinks. I must say I find this discussion a bit unnecessary. |
| Rugby_guy 12.03.2015 10:36 |
Yes Lambert does dishonours the musical genius that was once Freddie Mercury. Freddie was a clever intelligent musician and Adam only sings (and badly at that) Freddie deserves a better lead vocalist than Lamberts pathetic squealing every night, someone who has a decent singing voice and someone who can deliver the songs and give a great performance. Quite right that someone on here said that Lambert is only singing Queens greatest hits and that's about it. i am not bothered about people on here not taking note of my comments because its the queenzone and the same people on here keep wanting to be top dog. But really here we have a guy who had no experience of the worlds stages and now fronting Queen, that in itself is patronizing to the memory of Freddie, just a slip of a lad handed that golden ticket to the world. Sad thing is if Mr.Lambert is as good as you all say then why did he not win best male vocalist at this years "Brits"? He never even got nominated. Well there is your answer guys, no ones interested. |
| Costa86 12.03.2015 11:16 |
No Adam doesn't dishonour Freddie in any way. In his own way, using his own style, he mostly does justice to the songs. He doesn't perform as well or charismatically as Freddie of course, but he has given life to Queen's songs on stage, and this in itself honours Freddie. |
| Vocal harmony 12.03.2015 12:16 |
Rugby_guy wrotte. that in itself is patronizing to the memory of Freddie, just a slip of a lad handed that golden ticket to the world. Sad thing is if Mr.Lambert is as good as you all say then why did he not win best male vocalist at this years "Brits"? He never even got nominated. Well there is your answer guys, no ones interested.Your a fuck wit, tell us all in your own words how many times did Freddie win best male vocalist at at the Brits or The Grammys . And explain your slip of a lad comment. Lambert is in his 30's. How old was Freddie when he stopped touring. . . . . |
| Chief Mouse 12.03.2015 12:22 |
Costa86 wrote: No Adam doesn't dishonour Freddie in anyway. In his own way, using his own style, he mostly does justice to the songs. He doesn't perform as well or charismatically as Freddie of course, but he has given life to Queen's songs on stage, and this in itself honours Freddie.Good post! I don't find Lambert's voice too attractive, he does sound good on few songs though - WWTLF, Love Kills and Save Me comes to mind. Also Adam's too camp for my taste (Killer Queen). I prefer hearing Marc Martel singing Queen songs, that is just because I fancy his voice more. But I like Q+AL collaboration for what it is. I like seeing Brian and Roger still playing and playing well. To be honest, I would have gone to their concert if only they came to my country. The tour is a bit too Greatest Hits (although I understand why) but hearing Brian and Roger sing No One But You would be just great! I'd also love to see Scandal and Innuendo done live, even if sung by Lambert. But I'm drifting off the point here. No, I do not find this disrespectful, it is what it is. They're not trying to be Queen they once were. They are now Queen+ and considering that they're doing a good job. |
| malicedoom 12.03.2015 12:29 |
I thought the concert was great. So... honour... big time. |
| Rugby_guy 12.03.2015 13:21 |
vocal harmony: your the fuck wit since you are defending a nobody against a rock legend. Freddie has won many many male vocalist awards or are you blind or just plain ignorant? Lambert has got no worthy awards under his belt as much as Freddie has. He can not even write music or play piano, so how can he pay tribute to Mr Mercury? Even tribute acts are much better than Adam Lambert, and they can sing. If you are going to call some one a fuck wit do your self a favour and look in the mirror first. I do not have time for your silly comments. |
| ludwigs 12.03.2015 13:39 |
Rugby_guy wrote: vocal harmony: your the fuck wit since you are defending a nobody against a rock legend. Freddie has won many many male vocalist awards or are you blind or just plain ignorant? Lambert has got no worthy awards under his belt as much as Freddie has. He can not even write music or play piano, so how can he pay tribute to Mr Mercury? Even tribute acts are much better than Adam Lambert, and they can sing. If you are going to call some one a fuck wit do your self a favour and look in the mirror first. I do not have time for your silly comments.What awards were they then? If he is a nobody, then why is he really successful across the pond etc? This was pointed out to you in another thread. How do you know he cannot write or play piano?? I guess you are so busy praying in your box-bedroom (Freddie shrine) in mummy's house that you haven't the time for silly comments? You never did answer me - do you work and if so, what is your profession? |
| malicedoom 12.03.2015 14:54 |
Kids, play nice. Come on now. Don't make me get the belt. |
| david (galashiels) 12.03.2015 18:14 |
i will reply to this...after a few drinks... |
| david (galashiels) 12.03.2015 19:25 |
ok.look at it from this point of view......your main or head employe has left the company......now.what do you do.....shut the company or replace him.....well of course you replace him...youy aint gona close the company just because some one has left..whats the point of that.the company is still striving and making money,things are going well and sometimes you need a new director....now there are some clients who dont like the new employe and dont place orders..but...there are many new orders coming in...so the new orders replace the old ones who have left..now the new orders have just discovered the company who the old employe worked for has a very nice and large back catalouge(lets call it stock)and are interested in sampeling some of it.and as a result place a big order for backdated stock......an extra 50000 hits?.so the company is back to making money.and the name of the company continues to roll on.going from streanth to streanth........now this is the sticky point.........some outdated shareholders in the company dont like the new employee,and try to stage a buyout.and fail big time.......as the share stock rises with the new employee......you still with me??.....the directors of the company now have on there hands a new and younger generation wanting to know more aBOUT the company and start to buy the back stock/catalouge.......so the company will go on for a good long time selling there back catalouge/sales/stock.......for many years to come...... |
| david (galashiels) 12.03.2015 19:29 |
yep |
| fr1986 12.03.2015 22:18 |
Thumbs down for the screaming goat. I think the tour is over right?? if that's so, it is good news. I hope Brian and Roger put their heads down to what really matters to keep the legacy alive. Release live gem concerts. They have plenty material to work on! |
| Vocal harmony 13.03.2015 07:35 |
Rugby_guy wrote: vocal harmony: your the fuck wit since you are defending a nobody against a rock legend. Freddie has won many many male vocalist awards or are you blind or just plain ignorant? Lambert has got no worthy awards under his belt as much as Freddie has. He can not even write music or play piano, so how can he pay tribute to Mr Mercury? Even tribute acts are much better than Adam Lambert, and they can sing. If you are going to call some one a fuck wit do your self a favour and look in the mirror first. I do not have time for your silly comments.You are a fuck wit, proved by the fact that you have written 108 words in answer to my post without actually directly answering what I'd posted. The fact you ignored one subject then turned the other away from what it was about would seem to prove that even in your Freddie is god fuelled world you realise that your comments were just simply rubbish. |
| Rugby_guy 13.03.2015 09:27 |
I do not need to reply back to your past posts because i have told you once and i will say again, you have no argument here so don't try and be clever by turning things back on to me and my posts. Adam Lambert is nothing and will remain a nothing, as he has nothing to offer in terms of music let alone talent. i would rather be stranded on an island for ever than listen to that banshee trying to sing. You need to show more respect to Freddie than defending Adam Lambert because Freddie is a musical genius and the greatest male rock vocalist ever to walk the planet. He was awesome. |
| ludwigs 13.03.2015 10:44 |
I'll ask you yet again Gez. Do you work - what is your job? Can you tell me the name of the 'vocalist' awards that Fred won. C'mon, answer. You are Freddie's saviour so you MUST know the names of at least one of them? I'd even pay for your ship-fare to get you to that island. |
| brENsKi 13.03.2015 11:37 |
Rugby_guy wrote: Yes Lambert does dishonours the musical genius that was once Freddie Mercury.the band is called Queen, the singer Freddie Mercury - two separate entities - hence he also had a solo career you f**kwit. there is no dishonouring of Freddie. Now if you were a fan of the "current" J. Geils band, then you'd certainly have a point - but you're not, so you don't. |
| The King Of Rhye 13.03.2015 12:37 |
Rugby_guy wrote: He can not even write music or play piano, so how can he pay tribute to Mr Mercury?I'm soooooooooo sick of that kinda argument......... For one thing, he's not being asked, for purposes of this collaboration, to write any songs........his job is to be an interpreter of the material........and he HAS written songs, or at least co-written........ And then there's the implication that you have be able to play an instrument to be a talented musician........singers arent musicians?? I always thought they were, but what do I know.... |
| Rugby_guy 13.03.2015 13:09 |
They say Adam Lambert is keeping Queens music alive well so are a zillion other Queen tribute bands and they do it better! Freddie Mercury won best male vocalist in "Classic Rock Magazine and also a poll on Radio 2. Adam Lambert, well he got zero points, but never mind he may make the top 1000 some day eh? |
| ludwigs 13.03.2015 14:55 |
So..........AGAIN - Do you work? If so, what is your profession??? Stop avoiding my ask. I know you used to be a journalist so what do you do now? |
| Graeme Arnott 13.03.2015 15:37 |
There's more to life than this. |
| Day dop 13.03.2015 15:44 |
miraclesteinway wrote:Really, the haters are just being rather joyless and sulky about the whole thing, and clearly haven't moved on from 1986.In fairness, Lambert is singing 24 to 40+ year old tunes. So the "moved on" argument is a little absurd. Not enjoying - and letting it be known, or crititising a performer/artist doesn't make someone a "hater" As I've said before: It's perfectly fine to criticise a performance / voice. No artist escapes criticism. Every form of art is up for judgement. |
| matt z 15.03.2015 05:14 |
Just ME answering. The only dishonor is in Adam donning the ridiculous CROWN at the end of the show. Although I "get it" (this will implant the story among kids who don't know and they MAY go back and watch a show with Freddie and think "oh, THAT'S what it's about!") but for a group of friends like that, I found that bit pretty disrespectful. Leave the man one saving dignity. Signify that he's gone if you must (solo glove and hat for mj, beefcakes bass guitar in GWAR) but DON'T take HIS schtick! That's like a slap in the face. They can do whatever the hell they want. Gotta say i agree with some nay sayers but it's still great that they're out there performing. ... well. .. at least BRIAN is |
| thomasquinn 32989 15.03.2015 06:22 |
Gerry is getting worse than Beetlejuice. At least you had to mention *his* name *three* times before he came over to ruin life for everyone. |
| Vocal harmony 15.03.2015 08:37 |
Rugby_guy wrote: They say Adam Lambert is keeping Queens music alive well so are a zillion other Queen tribute bands and they do it better! Freddie Mercury won best male vocalist in "Classic Rock Magazine and also a poll on Radio 2. Adam Lambert, well he got zero points, but never mind he may make the top 1000 some day eh? |
| The King Of Rhye 15.03.2015 13:44 |
Aaaaaaaaand we ALL know opinion polls in magazines are just the end-all-be-all definitive word on everything......never mind having your OWN opinion, that wouldnt be worth anything....... |
| Pingfah 16.03.2015 06:06 |
Adam Lambert came second on American Idol. Where did Freddie Mercury come on American Idol? NOWHERE!!! |
| Day dop 16.03.2015 21:35 |
To point out the relevant parts...
miraclesteinway wrote: It has come up time and again on this forum - the haters say that ....Read on a bit... miraclesteinway wrote: Actually, the haters.....Read on a little more... miraclesteinway wrote: Really, the haters are just being....And then... miraclesteinway wrote: ..... I think we really have no grounds for all the negativity Haters, haters, haters.... and negativity. Well, there's certainly a lot of that in your comment isn't there? What about trying to not label people as "haters" who voice their opinions on a performance, or artists, or music, or anything or the sort, just because you disagree with what they say? If anything, the "haters" just might be the ones that, well... hate seeing any form of criticism of Queen+ or Lambert, y'know? I've seen too much of this kinda of bullshit on Queen pages of late. |
| The King Of Rhye 17.03.2015 13:43 |
you're clearly a hater-hater-hater, Day dop! lol I think miraclesteinway was referring to the sort of people that just incessantly insult Lambert and the whole idea of the collaboration (ie gerry, or whatever he's calling himself now.....or like the guy on QOL that called AL a 'fat transvestite' among other things)....plenty of that going on in places like this........ |
| Hangman_96 17.03.2015 13:58 |
Pages of meaningless quarrelling all these years after, and it happens over and over and over again. People don't learn from their mistakes. |
| miraclesteinway 17.03.2015 14:05 |
Put it this way: Some people don't like Adam Lambert. That's cool, no artist can be liked by everyone. Some people don't really like Adam Lambert singing with Brian and Roger, and using the band name (which has become a brand name) Queen. That's OK too. I can understand that for some, Queen has to be John, Freddie, Roger and Brian. There are those who feel that there are better singers who could have been chosen - Marc Martel is being cited as one of them - that's cool too. I think Marc Martel is a great singer. I think to Roger and Brian they would rather that Queen was John, Freddie, Roger and Brian, but they have two problems, both of which seem to be insurmountable. They've made a decision to go on as Queen, without two of the original members. That's hard for some fans to take. What I'm talking about really is the constant lambasting (that was almost a pun) that the whole band get from those who not only don't like it, but seem to make it their moral duty to really stick the knife in and come up with all sorts of reasons why this is the worst thing ever. You know what, yes, there are those who offer constructive criticism as to why they don't like this whole affair. They offer reasons why to them, Adam Lambert isn't right for Queen and why the band don't sound right without John. All of these fair criticisms are valid. But then there are those who just feel the need at every given opportunity to not criticise, but insult the project and insult those who like it. You could say this: Brian and Roger don't have the energy they had 30 years ago, and the band sound is weak without John's incredibly important input - since his bass lines were complete melodic structures and his sense of improvisation within the confines of each song was critical to the live performance. Adam Lambert might have the range and he's certainly charismatic, but personally I think he tries too hard and his voice has neither the gravitas nor the drama that Freddie had, and personally I think there are other more creative singers who could do a better job (lists singers). That could be seen as a constructive criticism. You could also say Adam Lambert is a squealing goat who sounds fucking crap all the time, and is basically a cash cow for his crap record company, and Brian and Roger are just a couple of old farts who have taken it upon themselves to shit all over Queen and Freddie's legacy, when they both know that they should've been committed to an old folks home 10 years ago. That is an insult. You could also say "I don't like this collaboration, but good on the guys for carrying on. I'd rather watch Freddie on DVD, so I won't be spending the £80 for the ticket this time, but you know, it's their call" |
| The King Of Rhye 18.03.2015 12:42 |
^^ Bingo! I like 'lambasting' though.........maybe that should be Glambasting? lol |
| matt z 18.03.2015 22:30 |
Pingfah wrote: Adam Lambert came second on American Idol. Where did Freddie Mercury come on American Idol? NOWHERE!!!Finally! Someone who makes sense! Freddie WASN'T EVEN THERE on American Idol! |
| miraclesteinway 19.03.2015 05:41 |
Freddie wasn't even placed on New Faces or Opportunity Knocks! What a loser.... |
| luthorn 22.03.2015 10:35 |
It depends. Lambert introduced Queen music to younger generation, one without prejudice towards gay men. Music sales should reflect, if audiences like Queen back. Hey, perhaps Queen could finally make the cover of the Rolling Stones Magazine? On the other, I am a traditionalist. I would never go see Queen in the current form. |
| brENsKi 22.03.2015 12:16 |
Rugby_guy wrote:They say Adam Lambert is keeping Queens music alive well so are a zillion other Queen tribute bands and they do it better! Freddie Mercury won best male vocalist in "Classic Rock Magazine and also a poll on Radio 2. Adam Lambert, well he got zero points, but never mind he may make the top 1000 some day eh?you like polls do you? - you use polls as your bible/benchmark - for how good/bad someone is...ok muckah...then perhaps you'll also accept these greatest rock singer polls: 1] Freddie Mercury = 4th link 2] Freddie Mercury = 18 link 3] Freddie Mercury = 22 link have you yet worked out how stupid your "poll logic" is? what a banal mentality - if you accept the premise of "opinion" as the basis of measurement of "who's best", then you accept ALL POLLS or NO POLLS. By accepting the polls you chose, you also accept (by default) all other polls your 'seven year old in the playground "my dad's better than your dad" mentality' has no place in adult conversation. |
| The Real Wizard 22.03.2015 20:50 |
^ it's like trying to teach calculus to a toddler. Their brain can't handle it. Stop trying. |
| Vocal harmony 23.03.2015 07:54 |
The Real Wizard wrote: ^ it's like trying to teach calculus to a toddler. Their brain can't handle it. Stop trying.^^^ So true ;) |