QueenZone discussion #1424505
19-4-1978 rotterdam video
| Upstanding Citizen 04.03.2015 13:18 |
Ghostwithasmile is BACK! wrote: So give me 1 secret films,audio's and demo's this month and I will keep my worth....If not I will not share here anything never ever again.in accordance with this humble request, i present to you all a secret 8mm film from 1978...... it was on youtube but taken down for some reason, so just in case anyone missed it here it is. link lets see what will come in return. |
| DepeX 04.03.2015 13:24 |
Do you think this is the way to change Sikke's mind? |
| The Real Wizard 04.03.2015 13:25 |
Oh come on, it was only a matter of time. It was on YouTube. |
| Gregsynth 04.03.2015 13:27 |
Thanks! |
| Marknow 04.03.2015 13:27 |
Another 5 pages of who can piss further in the sand coming right up...... |
| Upstanding Citizen 04.03.2015 13:30 |
DepeX wrote: Do you think this is the way to change Sikke's mind?i'm just following instructions. he asked people to share so people are sharing....... whats the problem? |
| Thistle 04.03.2015 13:36 |
I'll be honest - whilst I always adopt the "each to their own" attitude, I personally can't see why people get their knickers in a twist over this stuff (incomplete 8mm footage). To get a few seconds here and there of songs, amounting to a few minutes of a show at a time, strikes me as pointless - and to pay hundreds/thousands to obtain it is a notion beyond my comprehension. I know why these things are incomplete: I just don't see a point in having it. It would be different if it was footage of a complete song, from which many of these leaks could be turned into a compilation of rarities - now that would be exciting. Not to be disparaging to those who love this stuff - just my own opinion on it. |
| DepeX 04.03.2015 13:37 |
Upstanding Citizen wrote:I wrote a bit too "rude": I meant, Sikke won't share anything else (I think). ;-)DepeX wrote: Do you think this is the way to change Sikke's mind?i'm just following instructions. he asked people to share so people are sharing....... whats the problem? |
| Marknow 04.03.2015 13:38 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: I'll be honest - whilst I always adopt the "each to their own" attitude, I personally can't see why people get their knickers in a twist over this stuff (incomplete 8mm footage). To get a few seconds here and there of songs, amounting to a few minutes of a show at a time, strikes me as pointless - and to pay hundreds/thousands to obtain it is a notion beyond my comprehension. I know why these things are incomplete: I just don't see a point in having it. It would be different if it was footage of a complete song, from which many of these leaks could be turned into a compilation of rarities - now that would be exciting. Not to be disparaging to those who love this stuff - just my own opinion on it. I'd take an upgrade to one of the S.America videos over guff like this all day long. |
| The Real Wizard 04.03.2015 13:40 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: I'll be honest - whilst I always adopt the "each to their own" attitude, I personally can't see why people get their knickers in a twist over this stuff (incomplete 8mm footage). To get a few seconds here and there of songs, amounting to a few minutes of a show at a time, strikes me as pointless - and to pay hundreds/thousands to obtain it is a notion beyond my comprehension. I know why these things are incomplete: I just don't see a point in having it. It would be different if it was footage of a complete song, from which many of these leaks could be turned into a compilation of rarities - now that would be exciting. Not to be disparaging to those who love this stuff - just my own opinion on it.8mm footage will rarely be of complete songs, since each reel is only 3 minutes long. People would have to smuggle in a few reels at most, and they'd film snippets as they pleased. 8mm footage offers a glimpse into a particular day in history, so that's why it's of value. If you're just into high quality stuff, then of course to each their own. But for some people this stuff is gold. And there's a lot of it out there in people's attics. As far as I can recall, the only complete song in any 8mm footage of Queen is Mustapha from St Paul 1980. And considering that's the only footage of that song in existence, that's quite a lucky coincidence for us. It's bizarre to see the lukewarm response to this. If this was a new 8mm film on a Led Zeppelin or Genesis forum, people would be losing their shit in elation. |
| Thistle 04.03.2015 13:47 |
I don't see how a few seconds of footage (often silent and in need of a synch up from a usually bad audience source) offers a glimpse into that day in history - unless you were drunk and you can only remember blurry blobs ;). For someone seeing it for the first time, it offers absolutely no clue as to how Queen performed during that time. I know why the footage is incomplete - it's just annoying to hear the opening line of, say, prophet's song suddenly become the ending to Liar. It makes no sense - unless it's used as a montage for the making of a documentary. As you say, there'll be lots of this stuff in people's attics, so here's hoping for rarely played songs in complete form :) |
| The Real Wizard 04.03.2015 13:52 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: For someone seeing it for the first time, it offers absolutely no clue as to how Queen performed during that time.Unless there's audio. 8mm footage often does have audio from the same source, which this one does. But you're right, 8mm footage with no accompanying audio really doesn't offer too much in the realm of musical or historical value, but it's still nice to fill in that date in the collection, y'know? Unless it was footage of the crown rising on an angle a few days earlier, with the band having to abort mission... link Now that I'd kill to see, silent or not. |
| pittrek 04.03.2015 14:06 |
Is this the youtube rip or the full version? |
| pidge123 04.03.2015 14:07 |
Thanks very much for sharing. To a long standing fan like me, but not a big time collector, these snippets of 8mm are wonderful to get hold of. Was this the only reel filmed? Many thanks again. |
| Thistle 04.03.2015 14:08 |
I know Bob, some folk just need to have everything they can. I used to be like that - and remember the nasty old VHS trades when the footage hadn't been transferred properly. Now I'm part of the "who gives a fuck squad" lol. Your example above would be nice to see as that really is a document of a piece of Queen history ;) |
| Barry Durex 04.03.2015 14:20 |
Who share this you bastard? Cost me my left knacker this did. |
| tomchristie22 04.03.2015 14:47 |
The Real Wizard wrote: As far as I can recall, the only complete song in any 8mm footage of Queen is Mustapha from St Paul 1980. And considering that's the only footage of that song in existence, that's quite a lucky coincidence for us.Do we know for sure that the performance of that song which is excluded from the circulating version of Hammersmith '79 is completely lost? |
| BETA215 04.03.2015 14:50 |
Can some of the people who downloaded this video check the name of the owner of the file: in Windows is in Properties > Details. Tell me the name, please. It's something I want you to do the faster you can, please. |
| Barry Durex 04.03.2015 14:53 |
BETA215 wrote: Can some of the people who downloaded this video check the name of the owner of the file: in Windows is in Properties > Details. Tell me the name, please. It's something I want you to do the faster you can, please.Sherlock is on the case.... |
| Nitroboy 04.03.2015 15:14 |
pittrek wrote: Is this the youtube rip or the full version? just a simple youtube rip |
| Nitroboy 04.03.2015 15:15 |
BETA215 wrote: Can some of the people who downloaded this video check the name of the owner of the file: in Windows is in Properties > Details. Tell me the name, please. It's something I want you to do the faster you can, please. It says "administrator" |
| The Real Wizard 04.03.2015 15:21 |
tomchristie22 wrote:OK, then "in circulation" ;)The Real Wizard wrote: As far as I can recall, the only complete song in any 8mm footage of Queen is Mustapha from St Paul 1980. And considering that's the only footage of that song in existence, that's quite a lucky coincidence for us.Do we know for sure that the performance of that song which is excluded from the circulating version of Hammersmith '79 is completely lost? Indeed, it probably is on the QP version. |
| Gregsynth 04.03.2015 16:30 |
Marknow wrote: Another 5 pages of who can piss further in the sand coming right up...... I can piss about 3 feet in front of me :D |
| Barry Durex 04.03.2015 16:39 |
DepeX wrote: Do you think this is the way to change Sikke's mind?Perhaps you would like to bow down and beg instead? I for one am not a spineless jellyback. I don't care if he has got some money to piss away, he can poke it for all I care. I'd rather deal with genuine polite sharing fans. |
| Mr.QueenFan 04.03.2015 18:22 |
Thanks for sharing this. It's great to see it. |
| DepeX 05.03.2015 06:56 |
Barry Durex wrote:Yeah! I explained better in a later post. I wrote a bit "rude" in that post, but I corrected myself. Read the whole story before talking nonsense.DepeX wrote: Do you think this is the way to change Sikke's mind?Perhaps you would like to bow down and beg instead? I for one am not a spineless jellyback. I don't care if he has got some money to piss away, he can poke it for all I care. I'd rather deal with genuine polite sharing fans. |
| Barry Durex 05.03.2015 07:02 |
DepeX wrote: Yeah! I explained better in a later post. I wrote a bit "rude" in that post, but I corrected myself. Read the whole story before talking nonsense.I'm the one talking nonsense? You seem to be the one who is worrying he won't share anything else because somebody shared something that he uploaded to youtube and then decided to remove! I'm not going to lose any sleep over it myself. |
| aristide1 05.03.2015 09:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote: It's bizarre to see the lukewarm response to this. If this was a new 8mm film on a Led Zeppelin or Genesis forum, people would be losing their shit in elation.Apparently, the (average) intelligence level of Queen fans is higher. Led Zeppelin an Genesis fans are so emotional because it's more about their youth, not necessarily about the music itself. I remember unwrapping Wind & Wuthering vinyl like it was yesterday. Great record, still not enough to make me a Genesis fan. |
| moonie 05.03.2015 09:48 |
In my experience there's a hell of a lot less sniping and moaning on the Genesis Movement & Royal Orleans (Zep) Collectors forums.. Just saying.. |
| The Real Wizard 05.03.2015 22:09 |
aristide1 wrote:I definitely disagree on that.The Real Wizard wrote: It's bizarre to see the lukewarm response to this. If this was a new 8mm film on a Led Zeppelin or Genesis forum, people would be losing their shit in elation.Apparently, the (average) intelligence level of Queen fans is higher. Led Zeppelin an Genesis fans are so emotional because it's more about their youth, not necessarily about the music itself. I remember unwrapping Wind & Wuthering vinyl like it was yesterday. Great record, still not enough to make me a Genesis fan. Online, Zeppelin and Genesis fans are overall far more intelligent than Queen fans. Queen forums attract a lot of people with double digit IQs. Furthermore - an uncirculated 8mm video was just shared, and a grand total of three people have shown an interest. Need I say more? On a Zeppelin forum, if a new 8mm video from this period popped up, we'd already be at page 10 of people analyzing every frame of the footage - and page 25 if it were a new show. |
| musicland munich 05.03.2015 23:22 |
^ Ha, I 've read an recent research study about that, it turns out that Queen fans are quite "average" in that sector... ..no joke but take care of yourself if you like Beyonce ( for her music of course) and the like. |
| akan 06.03.2015 01:49 |
thanks for sharing |
| akan 06.03.2015 01:50 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I totally agree with youaristide1 wrote:I definitely disagree on that. Online, Zeppelin and Genesis fans are overall far more intelligent than Queen fans. Queen forums attract a lot of people with double digit IQs. Furthermore - an uncirculated 8mm video was just shared, and a grand total of three people have shown an interest. Need I say more? On a Zeppelin forum, if a new 8mm video from this period popped up, we'd already be at page 10 of people analyzing every frame of the footage - and page 25 if it were a new show.The Real Wizard wrote: It's bizarre to see the lukewarm response to this. If this was a new 8mm film on a Led Zeppelin or Genesis forum, people would be losing their shit in elation.Apparently, the (average) intelligence level of Queen fans is higher. Led Zeppelin an Genesis fans are so emotional because it's more about their youth, not necessarily about the music itself. I remember unwrapping Wind & Wuthering vinyl like it was yesterday. Great record, still not enough to make me a Genesis fan. |
| BETA215 06.03.2015 02:53 |
Wizard: "Furthermore - an uncirculated 8mm video was just shared, and a grand total of three people have shown an interest. Need I say more?" Maybe the lack of attention is because this video was taken from a YouTube video? And in response of your last paragraph: And also because a lot of fans here aren't so participative as me or you? I've seen a lot of accounts requesting things in the Request forum but almost never appearing in other forums outside the Announce (sometimes thanking or requesting a down link) and the Request forum. Anyway, I'm not going to judge a big amount of people on basis in which band they like: That would be very fool of my part, IMHO. |
| Oscar J 06.03.2015 04:51 |
About half of the human population has an IQ lower than 100, so of course there's going to a lot of people with double digit IQ. Nothing wrong with that. Furthermore: is analyzing every single frame of an 8mm film nessecarily a sign of intelligence? |
| BETA215 06.03.2015 05:46 |
Gregsynth wrote:Marknow wrote: Another 5 pages of who can piss further in the sand coming right up......I can piss about 3 feet in front of me :D We don't needed all that information, you silly. link |
| The Real Wizard 06.03.2015 08:23 |
Oscar J wrote: About half of the human population has an IQ lower than 100, so of course there's going to a lot of people with double digit IQ. Nothing wrong with that. Furthermore: is analyzing every single frame of an 8mm film nessecarily a sign of intelligence?Ha, I knew someone would catch that one... Of course I'm not equating those two things per se. But really - would this place be richer if this thread was ten pages of people analyzing this footage instead of people sparring over who can share what? If people were smart enough to know the difference between what they can and can't control, then they'd post more appropriately. So yeah, I'd say this place is not living up to its potential, with intelligence being one of many factors. |
| Thistle 06.03.2015 08:47 |
My last official IQ test result was 147, although I've hit 161 and 177 in recent mock ups. I like a bit of Zep now and again but not a fanatic, and I cannot stand Genesis. That said, if I see one more bit of shitty, blurry Queen 8mm or a ridiculous argument about who can share what and when, my brain will melt so badly I'll be lucky if I hit a double digit IQ ;) :p |
| BETA215 06.03.2015 08:50 |
Did you know that Bill Gates has an IQ of 58? There you have it. Check it! That's a real rumour! |
| Thistle 06.03.2015 09:13 |
That is a REAL rumour. It's as good as Paul McCartney being dead. |
| BETA215 06.03.2015 11:03 |
Thistleboy1980 wrote: That is a REAL rumour. It's as good as Paul McCartney being dead. |
| Thistle 06.03.2015 12:06 |
lol |
| little foetus 06.03.2015 13:01 |
One question about this show but not this video. On queenlive.ca, there is a third recording which is a merge of two sources. I think this one has never been shared anywhere as I have never heard GSTQ from this show. I guess the best would be to use the It's Late But Not To Late bootleg and this 3rd recording to make the best recording available. Is it something someone is planning to do? Otherwise, I would love to do it but I don't have the 3rd recording. Thanks. |
| The Real Wizard 06.03.2015 14:22 |
little foetus wrote: One question about this show but not this video. On queenlive.ca, there is a third recording which is a merge of two sources. I think this one has never been shared anywhere as I have never heard GSTQ from this show. I guess the best would be to use the It's Late But Not To Late bootleg and this 3rd recording to make the best recording available. Is it something someone is planning to do? Otherwise, I would love to do it but I don't have the 3rd recording. Thanks.Sure thing, boss. It's frustrating, all the incomplete and inferior copies out there. This is but another: link So yes, it's indeed possible to do a merge of these sources, but with the good copy of source 1 out there somewhere I just don't feel inspired to spend the time when it still won't be the best possible product. I've done my digging, but can't find that copy. Maybe one day. |
| little foetus 06.03.2015 16:12 |
Thank you very much. It's a shame that the copies of this show are not better, I think it is really one of the best concerts of the tour with a mad audience. Hope one day a better copy will appear. |
| BETA215 06.03.2015 23:57 |
BUMP |
| tassilo 07.03.2015 05:13 |
Thanks. |
