QueenZone discussion #1424088

anniestu44b wrote: It won't be another fuckin cosmos rocks! You're all so fuckin depressing!

winterspelt wrote: ...EMI had their own problems so they kind of didnt cared about the songs.

anniestu44b wrote: Ale Solan, How sad are you? Is that the best reply you could think of? Actually I'm quite happily married and get laid Quite regularly actually, maybe you should try it sometime.

miraclesteinway wrote: Cosmos Rocks wasn't their finest hour, but neither was Hot Space. Give them a chance to see what they come up with, then we can decide if it's good or bad. Adam Lambert has a better relationship with Brian and Roger than Paul Rodgers had, and the public have welcomed them with open arms, so you just don't know what could happen. It doesn't matter what they call the band on the record - most likely it will be Queen + Adam Lambert on the cover. I would imagine that with Adam Lambert on board rather than Paul Rodgers, it will be a very Queen sounding album. It would be a brave thing for Adam Lambert to do - it's one thing to tour with them because they don't have a singer, but it's quite another to make a complete record with them with original material. If the album flops it could be the end of Adam Lambert's career in the UK for a few years, so everyone knows that this time the stakes are higher than with PR. There were some decent songs on the Cosmos Rocks it's true, I mean, competent, that is. I thought Time to Shine could have been a good song if Freddie had sung it and John had played bass, for instance. All things that glitter can't be gold (or was it Once I Loved a Butterfly?) was a lovely song too, but then there was C-Lebrity, and that Call me if you need my love which frankly was torture to listen to (for me, anyway). In the same way I don't really like Las Palabras De Amor, but I prefer it to Call Me....

Ale Solan wrote: Cosmos Rocks was a complete failure, no matter how many tracks you like from it.

After the Cosmos Rocks it does feel like something that fans will treat with trepidation, but then, for me, the band that produced A Night At The Opera went on to produce Jazz and Hot Space, but people still came back to them. The singer that wrote Bohemian Rhapsody also made the Mr Bad Guy album, but then after that he went on to make Barcelona and record the Innuendo album, which I think are two classics. Let's just wait and see.

The King Of Rhye wrote:

Ale Solan wrote: Cosmos Rocks was a complete failure, no matter how many tracks you like from it.

Huh? If I like EVERY track on it, how is it a failure (to me at least!)??? Not that I do like every track on it, but I think that it gets a bum rap from a lot of people here...... My main problem with it was that it didnt have enough of a "Queen sound" to it.....and I would have liked there to be an actual band on the damn thing.........but there's some good stuff there, I think........

Ale Solan wrote: Lovely post, mate, I really enjoyed reading it, cheers! but I singled out this part from your own words, read it again and you'll might have a final look on what I meant:

After the Cosmos Rocks it does feel like something that fans will treat with trepidation, but then, for me, the band that produced A Night At The Opera went on to produce Jazz and Hot Space, but people still came back to them. The singer that wrote Bohemian Rhapsody also made the Mr Bad Guy album, but then after that he went on to make Barcelona and record the Innuendo album, which I think are two classics. Let's just wait and see.

You're right, the band with Freddie (and his solo career) had their ups and downs but, again, Queen had Freddie, and Freddie was alive -regarding his solo career- so the magic is gone. I wasn't excited back then in 2008 about seeing Queen + PR, just excited to see Brian & Rog live doin' barely what they do. Now I have the same feelin'. Maybe I'll go and see them when they play later this year in Buenos Aires. I'm not excited about AL and I know Brian & Rog are not in the best shape (Brian still kind of is but Rog is not almost 100% like in 2008) He needs help from his son to play. Almost deaf. Many etc's... but I wanna see 'em live for the last time, they won't tour again. Not a rumour or an opinion, a fact.

AlexRocks wrote: Bullshit! "The Cosmos Rocks" is one Queen's best studio l.p.s!!! The drum sound on it is phenomenal!

miraclesteinway wrote: Brian and Roger have said that Love Kills (I know, it wasn't on Bad Guy) was actually a fully-fledged Queen record credited to Freddie Mercury, with no acknowledgement that the others actually played on it, and Freddie had suggested to them - or allowed them to form the view that - their parts were scrubbed and replaced, but it didn't happen that way.

AlexRocks wrote: Why were Brian and Paul having difficulties with their relationship?

mike hunt wrote: Freddie is grossly underated as a songwriter, he gets his props as a singer and performer though. let's face it, Brian and Roger havn't lit the world on fire over the last 25 years without Freddie. All those classics they wrote over the last quarter of a century is impressive, lol.

mike hunt wrote: Freddie is grossly underated as a songwriter, he gets his props as a singer and performer though. let's face it, Brian and Roger havn't lit the world on fire over the last 25 years without Freddie. All those classics they wrote over the last quarter of a century is impressive, lol.

hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:

mike hunt wrote: Freddie is grossly underated as a songwriter, he gets his props as a singer and performer though. let's face it, Brian and Roger havn't lit the world on fire over the last 25 years without Freddie. All those classics they wrote over the last quarter of a century is impressive, lol.

I think you were a bit unfair to Brian and Roger there. Freddie didn't lit the world on fire with his solos either. Though he had less than 25 years of it, but no material in his solo vault points to a global flame. Within Queen, Brian and Roger's contribution to songwriting is anything as big as Freddie's. Freddie might have written more hits but then he got the credit for it. Let's say that the 4 of them work better in Queen combination than by themselves.

Day dop wrote: a few solo numbers are better than some Queen tracks

hobbit-in-Rhye wrote: ^ While I like all the songs that you mentioned, I would hardly call them "lit the world on fire". Would you? There are several interesting tracks in Brian's solo stuffs in the early years that is not any bit lesser than Freddie's, quality wise. They are just less well-known, for many reasons (one reason is that a guitarist's work wouldn't be easier to the mass' ear than a singer's work). It's always the die-young star to take all the glory with him and the ones who stay to look trivial.

Day dop wrote: a few solo numbers are better than some Queen tracks

Are you really applying the "China horse race trick" here to me: pit the best of this person agains the mediocre of the other? Anybody can be better than Queen on their down day. If I have to compare, I would compare his solo's best to Queen's best, because those are the things that remain when time goes by. In that spirit, none of his solos (or Brian's, or Roger's) come a mile near Queen's summit. Queen just brings out the best in them. By the way, I mean the China horse trick as a joke, don't get offended ^^

Day dop wrote: "Lit the world on fire" isn't a term I'd really apply to any individual Queen numbers, let alone their solo material. Perhaps Bohemian Rhapsody, or Another One Bites the Dust... maybe, they might be the closest fit to that term... in the loosest sense. The only thing I'd really apply that term to (music-wise) is Beatlemania.

BETA215 wrote:

AlexRocks wrote: Why were Brian and Paul having difficulties with their relationship?

I don't know from where you are, but relationship is something between girlfriend-girlfriend, girlfriend-boyfriend, or boyfriend-boyfriend, you know? Friendship is something between friend-friend.

mike hunt wrote: I'm a fan of all four members of Queen, but it's silly to call out Freddie for one solo album that was recorded between The Works and Magic, but not call out Roger and Brian for 25 years of forgettable music. Bacelona was a work of art, almost on par with Queens best IMO.

hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:

mike hunt wrote: I'm a fan of all four members of Queen, but it's silly to call out Freddie for one solo album that was recorded between The Works and Magic, but not call out Roger and Brian for 25 years of forgettable music. Bacelona was a work of art, almost on par with Queens best IMO.

I didn't call out Freddie, neither miraclesteinway nor k-m did. Good songs are good, and mediocre songs are mediocre. I already said that I liked several of his solo tracks. Now if you want to call our Brian and Roger for "forgettable music", fine, it's your taste. The thing I didn't agree in your old post is that you compare them to emphasis that Freddie is underrated as a songwriter. The two cases just can't be compared, for many reason. First, Barcelona is a nice album but it's hardly Freddie's solo. It is co-written by him, Mike Moran and other people. It became critical acclaimed because of the duo between him and Montserrat Caballe. I wouldn't say he lit the world on fire on his own (as you criticized that B & R didn't). Secondly, Brian had some decent solo stuffs back in the 90s too, and many people enjoyed them. I sure enjoy them as much as I enjoy Freddie's work. You may say it depends on personal preference, but quality wise it's not like Freddie's work are 3 times better than Brian's. Thirdly, while Brian was in his creative mood, on 1998 Cozy Powell, his drummer mate in Brian May's band, suddenly died of motocar accident. It disrupted his upcoming tour and was surely a heavy blow for Brian on emotional level and professional level. He'd just got out of the depression caused by Freddie's death and his father's, then came Cozy's. Imagine a soft fellow who was so broken in "All dead, all dead" just because of his pet cat, now what these 2 friends and colleagues' death would mean to him. It's a miracle that he picked up the guitar and played again after those events, we couldn't ask anymore from him. It's unfair to judge his songwriting ability post 1998. Fourthly, there's no evidence that if Freddie lives today he would fare better then B & R. All of them have given their best years to Queen, they have earned their rights to retire and do fluffy things. Freddie was a great songwriter and performer. No need to pitch him against B& R. I think Queen's strength lies in the balance between 4 members, any attempt to break that balance will not give a good result. Freddie himself had realized it since 1985. Now, I also have my favorite member of the band, but I don't think he is any higher than the rest 3 ;)

hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:

mike hunt wrote: I'm a fan of all four members of Queen, but it's silly to call out Freddie for one solo album that was recorded between The Works and Magic, but not call out Roger and Brian for 25 years of forgettable music. Bacelona was a work of art, almost on par with Queens best IMO.

I didn't call out Freddie, neither miraclesteinway nor k-m did. Good songs are good, and mediocre songs are mediocre. I already said that I liked several of his solo tracks. Now if you want to call our Brian and Roger for "forgettable music", fine, it's your taste. The thing I didn't agree in your old post is that you compare them to emphasis that Freddie is underrated as a songwriter. The two cases just can't be compared, for many reason. First, Barcelona is a nice album but it's hardly Freddie's solo. It is co-written by him, Mike Moran and other people. It became critical acclaimed because of the duo between him and Montserrat Caballe. I wouldn't say he lit the world on fire on his own (as you criticized that B & R didn't). Secondly, Brian had some decent solo stuffs back in the 90s too, and many people enjoyed them. I sure enjoy them as much as I enjoy Freddie's work. You may say it depends on personal preference, but quality wise it's not like Freddie's work are 3 times better than Brian's. Thirdly, while Brian was in his creative mood, on 1998 Cozy Powell, his drummer mate in Brian May's band, suddenly died of motocar accident. It disrupted his upcoming tour and was surely a heavy blow for Brian on emotional level and professional level. He'd just got out of the depression caused by Freddie's death and his father's, then came Cozy's. Imagine a soft fellow who was so broken in "All dead, all dead" just because of his pet cat, now what these 2 friends and colleagues' death would mean to him. It's a miracle that he picked up the guitar and played again after those events, we couldn't ask anymore from him. It's unfair to judge his songwriting ability post 1998. Fourthly, there's no evidence that if Freddie lives today he would fare better then B & R. All of them have given their best years to Queen, they have earned their rights to retire and do fluffy things. Freddie was a great songwriter and performer. No need to pitch him against B& R. I think Queen's strength lies in the balance between 4 members, any attempt to break that balance will not give a good result. Freddie himself had realized it since 1985. Now, I also have my favorite member of the band, but I don't think he is any higher than the rest 3 ;)

hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:

mike hunt wrote: I'm a fan of all four members of Queen, but it's silly to call out Freddie for one solo album that was recorded between The Works and Magic, but not call out Roger and Brian for 25 years of forgettable music. Bacelona was a work of art, almost on par with Queens best IMO.

I didn't call out Freddie, neither miraclesteinway nor k-m did. Good songs are good, and mediocre songs are mediocre. I already said that I liked several of his solo tracks. Now if you want to call our Brian and Roger for "forgettable music", fine, it's your taste. The thing I didn't agree in your old post is that you compare them to emphasis that Freddie is underrated as a songwriter. The two cases just can't be compared, for many reason. First, Barcelona is a nice album but it's hardly Freddie's solo. It is co-written by him, Mike Moran and other people. It became critical acclaimed because of the duo between him and Montserrat Caballe. I wouldn't say he lit the world on fire on his own (as you criticized that B & R didn't). Secondly, Brian had some decent solo stuffs back in the 90s too, and many people enjoyed them. I sure enjoy them as much as I enjoy Freddie's work. You may say it depends on personal preference, but quality wise it's not like Freddie's work are 3 times better than Brian's. Thirdly, while Brian was in his creative mood, on 1998 Cozy Powell, his drummer mate in Brian May's band, suddenly died of motocar accident. It disrupted his upcoming tour and was surely a heavy blow for Brian on emotional level and professional level. He'd just got out of the depression caused by Freddie's death and his father's, then came Cozy's. Imagine a soft fellow who was so broken in "All dead, all dead" just because of his pet cat, now what these 2 friends and colleagues' death would mean to him. It's a miracle that he picked up the guitar and played again after those events, we couldn't ask anymore from him. It's unfair to judge his songwriting ability post 1998. Fourthly, there's no evidence that if Freddie lives today he would fare better then B & R. All of them have given their best years to Queen, they have earned their rights to retire and do fluffy things. Freddie was a great songwriter and performer. No need to pitch him against B& R. I think Queen's strength lies in the balance between 4 members, any attempt to break that balance will not give a good result. Freddie himself had realized it since 1985. Now, I also have my favorite member of the band, but I don't think he is any higher than the rest 3 ;)

hobbit-in-Rhye wrote:

mike hunt wrote: I'm a fan of all four members of Queen, but it's silly to call out Freddie for one solo album that was recorded between The Works and Magic, but not call out Roger and Brian for 25 years of forgettable music. Bacelona was a work of art, almost on par with Queens best IMO.

I didn't call out Freddie, neither miraclesteinway nor k-m did. Good songs are good, and mediocre songs are mediocre. I already said that I liked several of his solo tracks. Now if you want to call our Brian and Roger for "forgettable music", fine, it's your taste. The thing I didn't agree in your old post is that you compare them to emphasis that Freddie is underrated as a songwriter. The two cases just can't be compared, for many reason. First, Barcelona is a nice album but it's hardly Freddie's solo. It is co-written by him, Mike Moran and other people. It became critical acclaimed because of the duo between him and Montserrat Caballe. I wouldn't say he lit the world on fire on his own (as you criticized that B & R didn't). Secondly, Brian had some decent solo stuffs back in the 90s too, and many people enjoyed them. I sure enjoy them as much as I enjoy Freddie's work. You may say it depends on personal preference, but quality wise it's not like Freddie's work are 3 times better than Brian's. Thirdly, while Brian was in his creative mood, on 1998 Cozy Powell, his drummer mate in Brian May's band, suddenly died of motocar accident. It disrupted his upcoming tour and was surely a heavy blow for Brian on emotional level and professional level. He'd just got out of the depression caused by Freddie's death and his father's, then came Cozy's. Imagine a soft fellow who was so broken in "All dead, all dead" just because of his pet cat, now what these 2 friends and colleagues' death would mean to him. It's a miracle that he picked up the guitar and played again after those events, we couldn't ask anymore from him. It's unfair to judge his songwriting ability post 1998. Fourthly, there's no evidence that if Freddie lives today he would fare better then B & R. All of them have given their best years to Queen, they have earned their rights to retire and do fluffy things. Freddie was a great songwriter and performer. No need to pitch him against B& R. I think Queen's strength lies in the balance between 4 members, any attempt to break that balance will not give a good result. Freddie himself had realized it since 1985. Now, I also have my favorite member of the band, but I don't think he is any higher than the rest 3 ;)