| miraclesteinway 27.02.2015 12:17 |
I'm slow to catch on OK.... I've noticed that my DVD (2003), and YouTube footage from the 2011 release, differs to my LP (1992), particularly in One Vision (first place I noticed, that if I listen really carefully I can hear two Freddies...) Am I making this up, hearing things, or has there actually been a shed load of overdubbing done on that release? Shame when they do that |
| Biggus Dickus 27.02.2015 13:01 |
Yup there's quite a few vocal overdubs on the 2nd Wembley night. On the top of my head I can remember overdubs in One Vision, WWTLF, Radio Ga Ga and WATC. |
| Doga 27.02.2015 13:17 |
Don't waste your time with Wembley. Budapest is the answer. |
| Oscar J 27.02.2015 13:38 |
Yes, those are overdubs. He never got close to hitting those D5's live. There's a C5 overdub in WWTLF as well. |
| miraclesteinway 27.02.2015 15:49 |
Did they overdub one vision with another night's show, or is that a compressed studio vocal from the record? |
| Nitroboy 27.02.2015 16:34 |
He NEVER attempted the D5 in One Vision live, that would be insane lol - it's a studio overdub. |
| miraclesteinway 27.02.2015 17:29 |
- I mean, is it an overdub that he went into the studio to do after the show, or is it one from the '85 session? not that it matters, I'm just curious! |
| miraclesteinway 27.02.2015 17:32 |
just listened again. It's from the '85 recording isn't it. It's strange they did it because it doesn't actually work all that well in context. |
| Oscar J 27.02.2015 18:08 |
It's definitely not from the album version of One Vision, but suppose it could be from an alternative take or something. I googled some: apparently he first broadcasts of the concert in 1986/7 had no overdubs, but the 1990 VHS had them. Which means he might actually have done them in studio between 1987 and 1990. Actually his voice sounds a bit like some of his more reckless vocal acrobatics on the Miracle demos and unreleased tracks. It has that rough yet edgy quality to it. |
| miraclesteinway 28.02.2015 08:01 |
On One Vision "look what they've done to my dream" is overdubbed, and it isn't the same as the released vocal although it might be from the '85 session. The "give me your heart I'm ready, there's only one direction" is identical to the single version. I haven't listened to the others yet. I kinda wish they'd just left it raw. |
| Oscar J 28.02.2015 08:15 |
miraclesteinway wrote: On One Vision "look what they've done to my dream" is overdubbed, and it isn't the same as the released vocal although it might be from the '85 session. The "give me your heart I'm ready, there's only one direction" is identical to the single version. I haven't listened to the others yet. I kinda wish they'd just left it raw. It's definitely not identical, have another listen. The high notes are much rougher, and the phrasing on "direction" isn't even remotely close to the studio version. |
| matt z 28.02.2015 08:17 |
Good ears! I always suspected stuff like that, especially after watching WWRY/LIVE IN MONTREAL. Bad obvious mixes. Felt that some guitar parts were altered as well from my vhs copy to dvd. Pretty disingenuous but eh... it's what they do. Why call it LIVE though? |
| The Real Wizard 28.02.2015 08:34 |
matt z wrote: I always suspected stuff like that, especially after watching WWRY/LIVE IN MONTREAL. Bad obvious mixes. Felt that some guitar parts were altered as well from my vhs copy to dvd.Don't forget that there are two nights to pull material from. I've listened to the audience tape, and everything seems to line up. Would you prefer them to have fixed the mistakes in Dragon Attack? Because they didn't. The only major guitar overdub on any Queen live album is the opening solo in One Vision on Budapest. That's been in there since the 1987 VHS. Pretty disingenuous but eh... it's what they do. Why call it LIVE though?Live albums have had overdubs for ages - it's not just Queen. In fact, the list of live albums without overdubs is very small. Even if there aren't overdubs, there are mixing issues. What if the room wasn't the best sounding room and there were level and EQ issues depending on where you were sitting? Would you want those issues to be on a live album too, or should the album be listenable? |
| Oscar J 28.02.2015 10:33 |
The Real Wizard wrote:The only major guitar overdub on any Queen live album is the opening solo in One Vision on Budapest. That's been in there since the 1987 VHS. Maybe Budapest is more touched up than we think. Check out the invisible 16ths by Roger: http://youtu.be/aqDjfdwgFU4?t=2m27s Could be the video not matching the audio of course. |
| popy 28.02.2015 11:54 |
Oscar J wrote:The Real Wizard wrote:Maybe Budapest is more touched up than we think. Check out the invisible 16ths by Roger: http://youtu.be/aqDjfdwgFU4?t=2m27s Could be the video not matching the audio of course.The only major guitar overdub on any Queen live album is the opening solo in One Vision on Budapest. That's been in there since the 1987 VHS. Don't think it's an audio overdubbed, it's bad film editing. Copy and pasting some frames from another part of the film in a place where doesn't belong there. Check out Roger in 0:20/0:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aqDjfdwgFU4#t=19 this example, with your example are mistakes in film editing, not audio overdubbing. If you check the multicam video there's no Roger cam on that part of the song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v17vDdVXro&feature=player_detailpage#t=220 |
| The Real Wizard 28.02.2015 14:21 |
^ bingo. Great detective work. |
| matt z 28.02.2015 17:13 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Haha yes I know. With Priest's UNLEASHED IN THE EAST facetiously referred to as UNLEASHED IN THE STUDIO.matt z wrote: I always suspected stuff like that, especially after watching WWRY/LIVE IN MONTREAL. Bad obvious mixes. Felt that some guitar parts were altered as well from my vhs copy to dvd.Don't forget that there are two nights to pull material from. I've listened to the audience tape, and everything seems to line up. Would you prefer them to have fixed the mistakes in Dragon Attack? Because they didn't. The only major guitar overdub on any Queen live album is the opening solo in One Vision on Budapest. That's been in there since the 1987 VHS.Pretty disingenuous but eh... it's what they do. Why call it LIVE though?Live albums have had overdubs for ages - it's not just Queen. In fact, the list of live albums without overdubs is very small. Even if there aren't overdubs, there are mixing issues. What if the room wasn't the best sounding room and there were level and EQ issues depending on where you were sitting? Would you want those issues to be on a live album too, or should the album be listenable? 70's albums, I'm willing to bet there was a fair to NEAR COMPLETE use of studio recordings (albeit rough recordings) mixed with white noise crowds. I don't remember hearing quite the same amount of discrepancies with my 80's SCORPIONS/UFO albums however. But then again, those haven't been as well documented as have queen performances by you all ofthis community Blunders don't always ruin songs. Imagine Aerosmith using CGI to fix Steve Tyler's fall offstage a few years ago. Instead, ILM fixes it so that he flies over the crowd. ....or Greedo shoots first. |
| The Real Wizard 28.02.2015 21:46 |
matt z wrote: Blunders don't always ruin songs. Imagine Aerosmith using CGI to fix Steve Tyler's fall offstage a few years ago. Instead, ILM fixes it so that he flies over the crowd. ....or Greedo shoots first.Ha ! You could be onto something here.. |
| Nitroboy 01.03.2015 04:13 |
Greedo shooting first or last implies that he ever got a chance to shoot... Which he didn't ;) Watch the original 1977 version, only Han gets to shoot, which is establishing him as a reckless badass. |
| Chief Mouse 01.03.2015 04:39 |
Woah, how did we drift from Magic tour Wembley to Star Wars? :D |
| pittrek 01.03.2015 04:46 |
Greedo didn't shoot first. He didn't shoot at all, Han fried his green ass. |
| HoopDiddyDoo 01.03.2015 08:01 |
"I don't like Star Wars..." - F. Bulsara |
| Viper 02.03.2015 04:56 |
I don't like either! |
| dysan 07.03.2015 13:02 |
Me aged 10 would be right into this thread! With that in mind, let me equate live album overdubbing with building some cool mid 80s technics Lego. |