|hobbit in Rhye
|To continue the tradition of speculating and over-analysing, I make a list of all the positive interactions between Brian May and John Deacon that I have seen (I’m fed up with the negative “Brian and John do not like each other” rumours, so it’s time I start the opposite gossip). I prefer body languages than dialogues and words, because in my opinion words have a terrible power to twist the fact, whereas body languages remain innocent – luckily it comes mainly from subconscious and no one has really taught us how to manipulate it. So there won’t be any Brian and John vocally praising or trashing each other in the list. Feel free to add, I’m far from complete. This thread is purely for fun so it’s appropriate to put it under Serious Discussion section.
Here it goes:
-Killer Queen live at the Rainbow 1974
at 1:00 John played that triangle and Brian smiled at him as if to a sweet brother (that he never had).
-John used to throw nuts/cashew at Brian during his guitar solo in concerts, from the book Queen Unseen of Peter Hince (okay I know it’s told by a third person and not directly seen, but my sixth sense trust this story, at least the nuts/cashew part, I mean who would have made it up?)
-The John Deacon documentary: at 0:25 John was dancing merrily and Brian grinned at him
-John and Brian’s interview together in Japan 198?
They seemed to be comfortable enough with each other. Comparing with other interviews we can see that they are less close than Brian and Roger (those 2 are adorable together) or Roger and John (the power house). At 0:32 when the interviewer asked about the album’s recording, they smiled awkwardly and Brian stole a shy glance at John. The way I interpret it is that there had been indeed some friction during the recording but it was not that bad and they have gotten over with it. “It wasn’t an experience I enjoyed very much but it’s in the past now.” I think Brian was honest with his feeling there. I wish the camera had shown more of John’s facial expression. They didn’t often look at each other during the interview but when they did, I don’t see any grudge in their eyes.
-Another short John and Brian’s interview on MTV Japan 1985:
Only cute. I notice that John and Roger often look at Brian while talking in interview, as if seeking his approval. Perhaps because he is the most well-spoken member of Queen, not because he is a control freak.
-Queen’s interview with Bob Harris 1977, at 1:13 John and Brian talking casually. John seemed in a good mood. No idea what they said though, sorry, my ears are not good.
-During concerts Brian did go to John’s side and jam together. I believe you guys have already seen it so I don’t have to quote the individual links.
-Queen’s argument in the studio
It’s hilarious between Roger, Brian and Freddie haha. At 0:27 John chipped in “You play the fucking twelve strings”. I don’t know if it’s a mockery or a compliment aimed at Brian though, post it here for the sake of listing.
-Another argument during soundcheck:
John sat out and watch the rest 3 fighting like kids. Easily my favorite audio.
-Queen Fanclub’s message 1994: again, John and Brian look warm with each other.
-The photo that some of you has already posted
Quite a short list I know. Be easy with me.
I don't know how things fare after 1994 though. Not enough body languages for me.
|They've definitely been at odds on more than one occasion in regards to the music (guitar solos or not on John's songs e.g. I Want to Break Free & Back Chat, the Made in Heaven fiasco). I think people choose to latch onto those things and assume they didn't get along outside of the musical sphere, when it clearly isn't true - your included photo alone says a huge amount.|
|Are you sure the 'twelve string' comment is from John? It certainly doesn't sound like him... maybe it's a producer or an engineer? I could be wrong, of course.|
|Great collection of stuff!|
|The Real Wizard
|Nice work compiling the clips !
But let's be honest here - we're not going to encapsulate or even get a rough idea of what a 25+ year old relationship was like with bits of video footage.
We all know pretty well that their relationships with each other soured to various degrees in the 80s, but beyond that - what happens in the band stays in the band.
hobbit-in-Rhye wrote: To continue the tradition of speculating and over-analysing... .hahahaha ^ this...
Sebastian wrote: Are you sure the 'twelve string' comment is from John? It certainly doesn't sound like him... maybe it's a producer or an engineer? I could be wrong, of course.Definitely sounds like John, but maybe it's Roy. Their voices are quite similar.
hobbit-in-Rhye wrote: John seemed in a good mood. No idea what they said though, sorry, my ears are not good.Sounds to me like:
"Fred here or not?"
"You try/tried (or possibly he tried/try) to be last but never make it"
And a few seconds later:
"Ehhh... It's always a battle trying to be last here"
|Like all relationships, there would have been times they really hated each other, or at least didn't want to see each other, and other times they rather liked each other's company. Who can say? Nobody but them really.
It seemed at times as if Freddie was totally separate from the band, and just dropped in to do his job and then swanned off. If it wasn't for Live Aid, which undoubtedly brought them closer and galvanised them into the Magic Year, then they'd probably never have become close or perhaps even worked together again. Of course history took a massive swing at that point anyway, but Roger, Brian and John didn't know that even if Freddie did.
In the last years of Freddie being around, it must have been pretty much all about Freddie - it had to be that way on a practical level if you think about it, because they had to prepare stuff for him to sing when he was fit enough. After that stopped, and after the last album, there were a couple of occasions where John stepped out into the arena with Queen (Elton in Paris, last time), but I guess he just felt the book needed to be closed for him. That's not necessarily anything to do with past relationship or hard feelings, it's just he didn't want to do it anymore without Freddie. I can't blame him, because Brian and Roger also felt like that, but they found a way to keep Queen in the public eye where as John decided he just couldn't face it. Or wouldn't face it. Either way.
I think also the fact that John doesn't want to talk to Roger and Brian at this point might be to do with the fact that he'd feel some pressure to go back out on the road, or be involved, and for him it's just better and easier to avoid the confrontation of having that particular conversation.
The only thing that annoys me slightly about John is that he won't even drop a letter into a fan club magazine these days. What would be wrong with saying 'Sorry but I can't come out on tour these days, but I'm glad you're all enjoying the latest Queen activity, and I'm proud that you still want to hear my songs'?
Anyway I suppose there's no point in getting into a tis was about it because it's his choice what he wants to do or say. Rumour has it that even his kids wish he'd acknowledge that Queen fans are still out there, but rumour is rumour.
|hobbit in Rhye
It would have been nice if John'd left some message for Queen's fans, as miraclesteinway said, but I don't have any problem with him not having done that. I think he just doesn't know what to say and doesn't feel comfortable going public. The little message you wrote would have been decent, but in my humble opinion it sounds more like Brian, not John. Even with John's message in the past (1994), Brian and Roger probably had to urge him, he wouldn't have done it on his own.
I fully understand that what happens in the band stays in the band, I was just trying to get a "feeling" of John and Brian's friendship based on what I have seen with my own eyes. In order to create good music together they must have some mutual respect and affection. I don't mind conflicts & bitterness & reconciliation, rather than a purely business partnership.
The reconciliation does exist, guessing from the 1994 message video. Even the conflicts don't seem that bad, judging from the 198? video right after the heat, that I posted above. Of course I would be angry if I was some guitar goddess and a teammate insisted on NOT having me on his tracks, but I swear I wouldn't look at him like that (like in the video) if I still hold grudge. Conflicts can happen everyday in works, and when it is told on paper again and again it tends to get bigger than itself.
John and Brian not socialising much with each other can simply be due to the fact that they are 2 introverts with different taste in music.
|hobbit in Rhye
|Sebastian: for me the "You play the fucking twelve strings” sounds like John. Everybody in that video sounds a little bit strange. Freddie talked like a girl. But it would be logical for John to say that line. I mean, they are arguing about the slowing beat, and John, while playing along that beat would chip in. A producer of engineer saying that line would be out of place. I'm not 100% sure though.
TheAdmiester: Thanks, that sounds about right. I can imagine Roger and Freddie still getting some hangover in a corner at that moment.
Wizard: No surprise, a +25 years relationship would certainly turn sour at some point. It can't be 9131 days long of love (too much love will kill you). But if they made it up after the acid pot then it's even better. I haven't seen any evidence that says otherwise.
Live Aid is just one of the factors that get the 4 back together. I, for once, believe that whether Live Aid happened or not, the boys would get back somehow. They are smart enough to know that Queen is more than the sum of them four (some member said that, Roger?). As much talent as each of them were, they complete each other and they knew it. Unless they wanted to retire (not likely, Freddie and Brian being workaholic, Roger to some lesser extend, John perhaps not so motivated but Freddie can drag him out), they would never find a better combination.
The newly translated Freddie interview Belgium 1985 confirms that point:
(very interesting interview, I recommend if anyone hasn't read it)
I wish I could see Freddie's face when he said "when I finished One Vision with the boys I realised that (quitting Queen) would be the worst thing that could happen to me". All we have here are words but I can smell some longing.
(Over-smelling follows over-analysing, as usual.)
|hobbit in Rhye
|Bump my own thread, to add another genuine pic:
Also, in the rehearsal of Live Aid, Brian smiled at John AGAIN !
At 6:05 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyuIlQj-RhA
During Wembley 1986 performance of One Vision, he rushed to John's side to jam together and almost crashed into him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJLLdQnA5tw at 3:22
I start to feel an one-sided love from Brian to John :lol
|John lloks like Woody Guthrie|
|This post seems like one of those fangirls Facebook pages, maybe called "Brian The Love Of My Life". Or "John And I". LOL!|
|hobbit in Rhye
|Sorry, my post?|