| Togg 26.02.2015 05:34 |
These are the words Mr Lambert quoted at last nights Brit Awards when asked if the was it after the tour. Sounds to me as if we will see they rock up at Glastonbury on the Saturday night headline slot... Fingers crossed, Very glad this partnership will continue, and prove yet again the naysayers no nothing... |
| matt z 26.02.2015 07:47 |
*just, *if, *know I don't really care but get your grammar right, please. It's all kinda disappointing to me. Maybe that was just bound to happen, even with Paul Rodgers. |
| master marathon runner 26.02.2015 12:11 |
"prove yet again the naysayers no (sic) nothing". - it proves bugger all my friend. Let them who approve, enjoy, let them who don't, pass on it. The fact that the subject causes so much reaction on this site,says a lot. |
| Costa86 26.02.2015 15:36 |
The older I get, the more irritated and the less patient I feel when reading the writings of people online who make frequent typos, don't use any punctuation, and pay no attention to their spelling. |
| andyb1968 26.02.2015 16:01 |
Apparently they are to headline rock in Rio in September, sources in Brazil are Quoteing ! Apparently the show must go on !! |
| brENsKi 26.02.2015 16:08 |
Costa86 wrote: The older I get, the more irritated and the less patient I feel when reading the writings of people online who make frequent typos, don't use any punctuation, and pay no attention to their spelling.iagreetotallyitsignoranceintheextreemandbeyondcomprehenshunthatinthisdayandageofautocorrecktpeoplecanstillmakethatmanymistakesatleastthisdidntneedcorrectshun |
| matt z 26.02.2015 16:32 |
True, brenski. Since I went through it, I'm starting to think the feeling is similar to the feelings of Queen Fans in the 80's and 90's. I.e. "Queen release THE GAME and HOT SPACE"... "die hard fans mortified. ... "it just isn't the same. ... they aren't the same" As disappointing as it was to ME, I'm certain there are many youth who were brought into the fold that see it as incredible. Meh. It just "IS WHAT IT IS." Let's hope everybody takes it easy in RÍO. Rife with exploitation and sex trades it's likely to result in some craziness soon; in particular with the Olympics coming up. |
| david (galashiels) 26.02.2015 17:01 |
i could be wrong,but is glasto tickets a 3 day one....no day tickets? |
| Djdownsy 27.02.2015 05:50 |
brENsKi wrote:*sigh*Costa86 wrote: The older I get, the more irritated and the less patient I feel when reading the writings of people online who make frequent typos, don't use any punctuation, and pay no attention to their spelling.iagreetotallyitsignoranceintheextreemandbeyondcomprehenshunthatinthisdayandageofautocorrecktpeoplecanstillmakethatmanymistakesatleastthisdidntneedcorrectshun I can't believe it took me a while to read that, pathetic. |
| Togg 27.02.2015 06:59 |
Oops, sorry a couple of typo's was rushing out of the office as I typed..... anyway, my point was not to start a discussion on grammer... more importantly that they are continuing with the partnership and, as we now know Rio is the first announcement. My money is on Saturday night headlining at Glastonbury, but that will not get announced till maybe May.. anyway, onwards and upwards, Brian and Roger seem very up-beat about this, more so than I can remember since the early days of Freddie, certainly the last 10 years or so with Freddie they didnt seem to be having as much fun on stage as they are now So bring it on I say |
| Vocal harmony 27.02.2015 07:11 |
Togg wrote: Oops, sorry a couple of typo's was rushing out of the office as I typed..... anyway, my point was not to start a discussion on grammer... more importantly that they are continuing with the partnership and, as we now know Rio is the first announcement. My money is on Saturday night headlining at Glastonbury, but that will not get announced till maybe May.. anyway, onwards and upwards, Brian and Roger seem very up-beat about this, more so than I can remember since the early days of Freddie, certainly the last 10 years or so with Freddie they didnt seem to be having as much fun on stage as they are now So bring it on I sayYou could be right about Glastonbury, although I would have thought if, they played it, they would have headlined the Sunday night in "The Legends" spot. If they are going to do something before Rio I wonder if they may do their own outdoor headline show, Wembley maybe? |
| Togg 27.02.2015 09:36 |
Indeed, Saturday/Sunday either I guess, I doubt they would do a one off 'own' outdoor gig, they will probably dismantle the stage after this tour and send the hired gear lights/audio off back to the hire firms, doing Glastonbury will not require much of their own stage and neither would Rio, a one off show is very expensive to put on, however if you are going to turn up to a pre-planned festival most of the stage is already there. |
| andyb1968 27.02.2015 10:23 |
Glastonbury unlikely, Lambert will be busy promoting and touring his album all summer, then autumn a handful of South American dates with Queen, I'm guessing, wouldn't be surprised if they go into the studio at some point this year to kick some ideas around. |
| Graeme Arnott 27.02.2015 23:46 |
I would'nt say the naysayers no nothing Jonathon it's their choice not to add their support as did I. |
| Togg 04.03.2015 08:58 |
I'm not bothered whether folk like it or not as you say their choice, what I find pointless are the thousands of comments repeating Queen died after Freddie etc etc... eerr well no it didn't in fact it's more popular now than it was when he was alive.... go figure, no I have no problem with people saying they dont like it, fine.... so what, but comments such as Lambert can't sing.... sorry but nonsense he clearly is very capable and seems to handle their stuff better than anyone so far. Anyone that understands even the basics of music or musical ability can see that he can sing bloody well, and is every inch a showman, much in the same way Freddie was. Now that doesnt mean you have to like his voice, I dont like lots of singers voices but it doesnt mean they cant sing. I dont much like Elvis, but he could certainly sing and certainly perform with the best of them. Adam Lambert is very reminisant of a young Mercury, he doesnt have the middle range that Mercury had, but he can certainly hit the notes and he performs the songs in the 'Style' they were both written and maybe meant to be performed. So I would say he fits pretty perfectly with the 'brand spirit' of Queen. You dont have to like him or what they are doing now, but surely if you are a real Queen fan you are more open minded than to slag off anything that isnt 'classic queen' after all the band themselves have done everything from punk to disco, that's the whole point of them, that's why they are still here 40 years later, they evolved as they did from 71 onwards, if they stayed producing the same stuff as the first album they would have vanished without trace, even if they recorded 20 ANATO's people would have been fed up after 3... As i say I have no issue with people no liking them now, or Lambert, but the stupid ignorant comments here appear to be from either lonely 13 year olds in their bedrooms or numpties with no understanding of talent or musical skill, or what it takes to perform like that,and I dont understand how such an open minded band, can generate such closed minded ignorant fans, and I use the words fans under protest... |
| Vocal harmony 04.03.2015 09:55 |
^^^^ yes! |
| Day dop 05.03.2015 09:41 |
Togg wrote: I'm not bothered whether folk like it or not as you say their choice, what I find pointless are the thousands of comments repeating Queen died after Freddie etc etc... eerr well no it didn't in fact it's more popular now than it was when he was alive.... go figure.If by "more popular now" you're going by concert attendances (advertised in the internet era, unlike pre 90's), then U2 top the list of the most popular band ever. But, obviously, they're not. And record sales of U2's 2009 album "No Line on the Horizon", which was fairly dire sales-wise, would certainly point in the other direction, released during the time they were doing the tour. By that logic, it'd also make The Police more popular than Queen have ever been (again, advertised in the internet era). But, I don't think that's the case. Check out the attendances. link I wouldn't say Queen are more popular now than they were in the late 70's to around 1980. And I highly doubt any new album under Queen+ could be anywhere near as popular as A Night At the Opera or The Game. Togg wrote: Adam Lambert is very reminisant of a young Mercury.I don't see that myself. Not in looks, voice or performance, nor in songwriting ability. I could sort of see where you was coming from if you'd have said Marc Martel (vaguely, looks-wise and in voice), but Lambert doesn't remind me of Mercury in the slightest. Sure, Lambert can sing, to say otherwise is stupid. But his voice and performance isn't everyone's cup of tea, which goes without saying. Personally, I find it harsh and thin sounding, and I don't dig it much. Of course, someone not enjoying his voice / performance doesn't equate to closed minded. After all, they've taken the time to evaluate whether they like his voice / performance or not (as opposed to someone not taking the time to evaluate, which undoubtedly is closed minded). And as a public performer, it's perfectly fine to criticise his performance / voice. No artist escapes criticism. Every form of art is up for judgement. I get that you understand that, but I think it's fair to get it out there. I like pretty much all the classic Queen material, give or take a few songs, but I understand there's those who don't like some of their 80's material. I wouldn't say they're closed minded. Again, they've evaluated it, and decided it's not for them. And that's all it amounts to.... well, unless you're talking about the kind of attitudes from, for example, middle America, after seeing the I Want To Break Free video back in '84, and disliking Queen from thereon due to homophobic reasons. That's different. Although, I don't think that's the case with Queen fans when it comes to Lambert. |
| miraclesteinway 05.03.2015 14:00 |
Adam Lambert doesn't remind me of a young Freddie, but I can see that Freddie has had a huge influence on his art. I am so glad that Brian and Roger have decided to go all out and tour as Queen plus Adam Lambert. There is no question that it has increased Queen's popularity, and credibility, and has allowed them to present their own music to a generation of fans who would otherwise have no chance to hear it performed by the original writers. You know, John has retired and Freddie is dead, but as far as this project is concerned, so what?! The tone of the show was as Queen as Queen could possibly be under the circumstances, and everyone - including hardcore fans - who have bought tickets and gone to see the show, has had a great night out and a memorable experience. Now - comparing Adam Lambert to Freddie as a songwriter, you have a point in that Freddie composed such things as The Fairy Feller's Master Stroke, The March of The Black Queen, Love of My Life (original arrangement between Freddie and Brian - mind-blowing!), Bohemian Rhapsody, The Kiss (isn't that beautiful?), co-wrote Barcelona with Mike Moran, was responsible for a whole lot more in the Queen camp than we could possibly realise - but the fact is we don't know if Adam Lambert could write those kind of songs. For a start, the time of that music has gone, and perhaps it may come again (I mean the epic style songs with a kind of symphony-in-miniature high octane high camp, Oscar Wild and Tchaikovsky breeds Led-Zep kind of thing.....), for a second point, Adam Lambert is largely a US product at the moment, and so his music reflects the tastes of his lead market. Thirdly, Adam Lambert is not Freddie Mercury, nor can we expect him to be (which actually, I think everyone realises and is trying to say). But I might say this - Adam Lambert is no Freddie Mercury, but nor was Freddie Mercury an Adam Lambert, and I think had the two of them had the chance to meet, Freddie would be equally impressed with Adam Lambert. Of course, in that situation it's hugely unlikely that Adam Lambert would be singing for Queen! |
| Day dop 05.03.2015 14:19 |
Increased Queen's popularity? Queen are one of the most popular / biggest selling music artists of all time. I think you'd find the average music fan would consider Queen+, if they took notice of what they're up to these days, now a group that play tribute to their former glory - a nostalgia trip. It's not as if they're playing new stuff is it? As for Lambert writing songs as good as the ones you mentioned, I'm sure there'd be some hint of that by now if he was able to. |
| miraclesteinway 05.03.2015 14:29 |
Actually I've no idea if Adam Lambert writes his own songs or not.... forgot to add that. There's nothing wrong with a nostalgia trip. Anyway, point is they put on a bloody good show, and some people love it, some people don't love it, and others treat it as if it was blasphemy. But it's only entertainment at the end of the day, and it's something good that brings people together. |
| Day dop 05.03.2015 14:43 |
I don't think there is anything wrong with a nostalgia trip, but that's the way your average casual music fan would most likely see it. The Queen+ shows are alright for what they are, and I enjoyed it for what it was at the time, but that's about it - accepting that's about the best we can expect from Roger and Brian going under the Queen+ banner (personally, I think Lambert's more suited to Queen+ than Paul Rodgers was, but then, imo, Rodgers was very unsuited to Queen+). When people say "Lambert's no Mercury" (or similar words) they're obviously talking about how artistically he's not on the same level: performer / voice / songwriting-wise. But then the counter argument "Freddie's no Lambert either" pops up. Now, while obviously true, as no person is another one, it appears to imply that Lambert is on an equal footing with Mercury as an artist, which is ridiculous. One's your average pop star, with not particularly impressive nor groundbreaking songs, who filled in for Queen's singer, the other is arguably thee, or one of the greatest rock singers / front men of all time who was a large part of building Queen up to what it became: one of the greats, up there with the likes of Hendrix, Jagger, Lennon etc. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 05.03.2015 21:04 |
Double post |
| Sheer Brass Neck 05.03.2015 21:05 |
Hi Togg, thoughtful post, FWIW: "In fact it's more popular now than it was when he was alive." Due to? Adam Lambert's involvement? American Idol? Lack of intelligent fans during Freddie's lifetime now on the bandwagon seeing what they may have missed during their youth? "Anyone that understands even the basics of music or musical ability can see that he can sing bloody well..." Yes, but kind of wonky at times. "...and is every inch a showman much in the same way Freddie was." If you mean they both like to put on a show, agree 100%. If you mean they're in the same universe as entertainers, I like to sing in the car and the shower. Guess that means I am every inch a singer the way Adam Lambert is. "Adam Lambert is very reminisant of a young Mercury." By the same age as AL is now, Freddie Mercury had written the most probably the greatest and one of the most enduring songs of the rock era, one of the timeless anthems of the rock era, a handful of songs that are staples on rock radio to this day in a variety of styles pretty much unmatched by any writer to this day, established himself as one of the, if not the greatest singer in rock, proved himself as a master showman, and an incredibly talented producer/arranger. At the same age, Adam Lambert was resigned to a record contract, and was highly renowned as a wonderful singer in a band that's popularity in his home country died in the year he was born. Yes, he can hit the notes and perhaps is a better live singer than Freddie ever was. That's it, and the comparison ends there. "You dont have to like him or what they are doing now, but surely if you are a real Queen fan you are more open minded than to slag off anything that isnt 'classic queen' after all the band themselves have done everything from punk to disco, that's the whole point of them, that's why they are still here 40 years later, they evolved as they did from 71 onwards..." I'm thrilled people like what's going on. But how is doing their greatest hits year after year after year evolving? It's a new singer, ironically doing material that is forty years old. That's nostalgia. "As i say I have no issue with people no liking them now, or Lambert, but the stupid ignorant comments here appear to be from either lonely 13 year olds in their bedrooms or numpties with no understanding of talent or musical skill." Is it fair to say people who disagree with your POV see you as a lonely 13 year old numptie with no understanding of talent or musical skill. Not here to judge but if you think Adam Lambert is in the same galaxy as Freddie Mercury when to comes to talent, well... People like what they like. I love the fact that Adam Lambert has put Queen on the road and that a new audience has discovered one of the two greatest catalogues in rock music history IMHO. I detest the fact that people think that a guy whose main skill is his range (find him technically great but don't buy him as an honest interpreter of Queen material) and can hit notes is even mentioned in the same breath as Freddie Mercury. He's a great singer with great voice who can't sing rock and roll. Lot of talent, doing a fantastic job in one of the hardest gigs ever. But a shadow of the real thing. For what it's worth :) |
| Day dop 06.03.2015 07:50 |
I wouldn't regard Lambert as a better live singer. Mercury suffered throat noodles, sure, but otherwise, he had a far stronger voice. Less harsh and thin sounding, a far better tone, and more powerful. |
| Togg 06.03.2015 08:30 |
All I can add is prior to attending this tour I was pretty much ambivalent about Mr Lambert, I too didnt really like his recorded vocal that i'd heard on youtube etc, however I went in openminded and I was 100% won over, she stole the show frankly, he was every inch the frontman that I would hope to see with Queen. I guess that's what I really mean by 'he reminds me of a young Mercury' he totally held the audiences attention and gave it 100%. Ok I too have no real idea of his songwriting ability, but maybe that will become more clear in time. Having been a Queen fan for decades i have seen time and time again people slamming the new version of Queen before it's even properly out there, people hated, Jazz, live Killers, Hot Space, The Game, tash/no tash, Flash, Made in Heaven.Cosmos Rocks, Robbie Williams, 5, Paul Rodgers, Adam Lambert.... get the picture? however as Freddie said and I was there, it;s only a bloody record... Some Queen fans love the fact they evolve, I'm one of those, some seem to love the 'idea' of Queen, dating back to 1975, and they have stuck with that as there concept of what Queen are, I think they are wrong, just like you are no longer the you from school or college days, you hopefully have matured, formed different views and opinions and evolved, so have they, if someone judged me by the way I was at 14, i can tell you I'm a different person entirely at 51... I enjoy pretty well the whole back collection or Queen material sometimes I like Queen II and sometime put on Hot Space... i have 99% or the stuff Freddie recorded, and I can listen to it any time I like, that wont go away, i now look forward to hearing what this creative partnership brings... |
| Day dop 06.03.2015 08:34 |
I don't think it's anything to do with maturing any more than it is about being "open minded" as I previously mentioned (judging/rejecting it without evaluating it would be closed minded). And no one can be wrong about their own music taste (not to get confused with how talented a musician is). If some folks don't like 80's Queen material, that doesn't make them wrong about their tastes, it just means they like what they like. Personally, I love their 80's/90's stuff too. I also like Debussy, The Prodigy, Spandau Ballet, White Zombie, Carole King, The Rolling Stones and Tame Impala to name a few - and a whole host of various music genres, so I don't think it'd be a matter of being closed minded when it comes to music tastes as far as I'm concerned. Having seen Lambert sing for Queen+, I wouldn't say Queen have evolved. Like I say, they're not doing new material are they? The front man isn't in the same league as the original, and the remaining two members playing isn't quite up to the level it used to be (no fault of their own - age creeping in). But what's evolved about them? The lighting? I suppose there's that, but that doesn't count for that much in my books. But again, the Queen+ Lambert show wasn't bad, it was enjoyable enough, but it's not something I could watch / listen to over and over like Queen (without the +), mainly due to Lambert's voice grating on me. |
| ggo1 06.03.2015 09:23 |
Togg Said 'I enjoy pretty well the whole back collection or Queen material sometimes I like Queen II and sometime put on Hot Space... i have 99% or the stuff Freddie recorded, and I can listen to it any time I like, that wont go away, i now look forward to hearing what this creative partnership brings... ' I completely agree and you sum up my own thoughts perfectly, except for the putting on Hot Space thing... I never did recover from the horror of the first play on its release day. |
| Togg 06.03.2015 11:07 |
What I am talking about is five minutes after it's out there everyone slags it off, I remember when radio Ga Ga came out there was an instant backlash about it.... now it's considered 'classic queen'...go figure You talk about evaluating... well what I see here very often certainly isnt evaluating, I kept pretty much on the fence until I saw him on this tour, now I've done that my opinion is that he's pretty damn good... There are people here who slag off Cosmos Rocks but openly say they haven't listened to it, and only heard snippents on the radio... well that certainly isnt a balanced opinion of an album... yet they feel comfortable slagging it off because Freddie isnt on it? wtf As I say Jazz was once considered the lowest of the Queen albums and not 'proper' queen when it came out, these days it's classic queen amoung most fans... how does that work? |
| Day dop 06.03.2015 12:00 |
If anyone slags off Cosmos Rocks without hearing it, then yeah, that's hardly a balanced opinion (although, in saying that, you could probably get a reasonable idea of what the album sounds like overall from one or two tracks). I've heard it - tried it a few times, But I didn't bother to buy it, as it wasn't anything worth writing home about in my opinion. I'd place it lower in rank than Hot Space too. And certainly Jazz. I don't much rate much of Black Sabbath's stuff without Ozzy either. I wouldn't say they're untalented or crap without him, of course not, but without his voice / input, it's not really Black Sabbath for me (their last album "13" was more on track, not bad). It very much sounds like a different group without him. Well, it is. And I'll include Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy as one of the albums I like - the lowest ranked Ozzy era / Sabbath album there is, as it was considered Sabbath going down a less Sabbath sounding route. U2's Pop is another one I like, which is generally considered one of their weaker albums - their Hot Space, if you like. But then, I think they've gone downhill over the last decade anyway, regardless of having the same line up. I think almost all of the people here would've at least clicked on a YouTube link and had a watch and listen of Queen+Lambert, more than a few times I imagine too (seeing a few Queen+ performances on YouTube pretty much sums up what you see at the show). How many mouthfuls of spam fritter does somebody need to realise it's not to their taste? And would they be wrong for not enjoying spam fritter? Folks understandably might've had reservations about the collaboration beforehand (just as folks might have reservations when it comes to the smell of spam fritter), much in the same way Pink Floyd fans would very likely have if Will Young was suddenly pulled in to fill in for Roger Waters, but that doesn't make their opinion wrong because it's not to their taste. I had little time for the Paul Rodgers collaboration, and I gave Queen+ Lambert more of a chance by attending one of the concerts, and got pretty much what I expected: nothing that'd set the world on fire, but an enjoyable show for Queen+. And the highlight of the show? For me (and many others, it seemed) Freddie popping up on screen and singing along with the music. I don't know of anyone who didn't consider Jazz to be a proper Queen album. I know some didn't like it, or didn't consider it Queen at their best. But that's a different thing. Queen+ isn't Queen. I don't think any Queen fan really expects Queen+ to be on the same level as Queen, do they? It seems to me you're trying to place Queen+ Lambert in the same league as Queen in the Mercury / John era, by using the analogy of Queen material previously to Jazz/Hot Space and the reactions. For a lot of people, which I can understand, much of their material after that wasn't generally as good as their earlier 70's stuff. But those are albums you're talking about. Not a different group, with two of the original members only. It's an entirely different playing field. The difference being now, is that you've got a front man that's nowhere near as good, (and sad to say) two of the four band members, that aren't up to the level they used to be (again, that cannot in any way shape or form be held against them - and it was a delight to see Roger and Brian play regardless), and it's 24 to 42+ year old numbers from the 70's/80's/90's that they're playing - not new stuff. And if there was new material, would it be as good as the hits they're playing? I doubt it. It might sounds harsh, but Roger and Brian haven't written anything brilliant in a long time, and Lambert's not exactly proved himself to be an excellent songwriter (if he writes at all). All in all, for me, though enjoyable, the shows lack the authenticity you once got from a Queen show - the main issue for me there being Lambert. But I suppose, it's the best that can be expected from Queen+. In saying that, I personally, think there's singers that would've done a better job, Tony Vincent being one. Albeit successfully, these are the years they're playing tribute to their former glory. I'm under no illusions about that. |
| Togg 09.03.2015 07:58 |
"It seems to me you're trying to place Queen+ Lambert in the same league as Queen in the Mercury / John era," that wasnt the point I was making but in a way you are right, it's at its core just 'music' and that's all, just because Freddie and John are not there does it make it any less valuable as a peice of art if you will, it;s new and different is a live performance a moment in time captured by a bunch of professional musicians. Freddie is gone as it John, we are not wiping all the recordings they did they are there forever to listen to, If Brian wants to record all of Queen's material with the a bunch of country music musicians then fine, it's up to him and that recording is as valid as the first, it's art. As I say Queen have evolved as musicians they dont write in the same style as they did 40 years ago, play in the same style either, Brian's guitar set up has evolved, it sounds nothing like it did in 1971, neither does Rogers drum sound. People hate change, but it's core to producing art or music, I love the way Queen still venture into new territory, I love a lot of Cosmos Rocks and If they record with Adam I suspect i will find much to like about it because it's produced by people I admire. When people slagged off Jazz it was because it didnt sound like ANATO or ADATR... even NOTW was met with puzzled faces at first, that is terribly sad to me, the fact that people 'fans' can't embrace the new simply because it doesnt sound like the old... |